Episode 118: Matt Yuga from Mattscardshop joins the show while Adam takes a well deserved week off.
We chat about what projects he's been working on the last twelves months including his Youtube channel and storage boxes.
- We recap the Hobby Hangout in Melbourne last week.
- Houston Rockets culture coaching and culture change this season
- Sengun; can he win a league MVP?
- We recap a question from last years show from Andrew Hewitt: "Talk about how Zion and Patrick Williams are great investments going into next season"
- Trae Young, what is happening with his auctions, what should you look for with Trae Young cards; and what should you avoid,
Thank You to our sponsors EJ Cards Online Store and Facebook and our new sponsor ‘The Bang Man’ Facebook and Instagram
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Episode 118: Matt Yuga from Mattscardshop joins the show while Adam takes a well deserved week off.
We chat about what projects he's been working on the last twelves months including his Youtube channel and storage boxes.
- We recap the Hobby Hangout in Melbourne last week.
- Houston Rockets culture coaching and culture change this season
- Sengun; can he win a league MVP?
- We recap a question from last years show from Andrew Hewitt: "Talk about how Zion and Patrick Williams are great investments going into next season"
- Trae Young, what is happening with his auctions, what should you look for with Trae Young cards; and what should you avoid,
Thank You to our sponsors EJ Cards Online Store and Facebook and our new sponsor ‘The Bang Man’ Facebook and Instagram
Reach out to us on socials and tell us what we got right or wrong!
Instagram: youcantcompthis
Twitter @youcantcompthis
Gmail youcantcompthis@gmail.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/youcantcompthis
00:00.00
youcantcompthis
All right? So I think we were just talking about um your sort of interest in the hobby and then we I interrupted you and we were talking about your misses and then um so I think you spoke about Instagram and then you moved onto Youtube and.
00:08.46
Matt
Yeah.
00:16.10
youcantcompthis
And you're talking about so like general like general sports you're into sorry man. Yeah.
00:19.93
Matt
Yeah, no right? Um, yeah, gone blank. What are we? 20 Yeah, um, yeah, so yeah I guess with the Youtube channel now it's ah you know it's been ah, it's been a grind.
00:23.48
youcantcompthis
So we're talking about your Youtube channel. Yeah.
00:33.85
Matt
Overall obviously again like I was saying do it on top of the full-time job but learning skills. It's not as easy as obviously just recording a video and just chucking it up there. Um I think I've gotten a bit more efficient the process generally, but you know at the start it was coming up with a script learning how to talk to a lens. Um.
00:40.19
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
00:51.47
Matt
Like you're obviously not talking to anyone and then learning how to edit learning how to come up with a catchy thumbnail catchy title the Youtube algorithm all that sort of stuff. So I think it's it's a massive process and I think um, there's definitely I've got a lot of respect for a lot of youtubers that do do it full-time. Obviously they outsource it.
00:57.92
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
01:09.28
Matt
As they get bigger and bigger and that would be the dream. But yeah, it's It's a massive massive long process for little gain I'd say but again I did it more as a hobby and something I've always wanted to do So I always tell people that when they I have had a lot of questions.
01:18.62
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
01:24.90
Matt
The dams just saying like what are your recommendations on sign a Youtube channel and I think my number 1 thing would be don't do it if you're in it for the money. So yeah, you only do it if you're really passionate about it and you're want you know, build a community build your channel learn some things don't just go into it thinking that you know you're going to get rich. So.
01:40.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah, totally yeah and I I couldn't agree more with that like what is their 200000 podcasts or something like that and they all can't make money like it's just and I would assume there'd be a million different Youtube channels and so like what you're competing against is you know is legit.
01:43.13
Matt
I mean I'm sure it's pretty much the same for you guys as well. Yeah. So.
01:57.88
youcantcompthis
I do have 1 question actually about that when you were younger. Did you enjoy creative writing or um, you know literature in some like form. Yeah right? So when do when do you think this creative process the the drive. The creative process came from.
02:05.89
Matt
Absolutely hated it I think english might have been one of my worst subjects I'm not actually sure like I mean like there's been numerous times when I've you know made videos. And yeah, terrible videos I've never deleted a video as well. So if you want to go back to the Youtube channel and watch you know how bad some of the videos are like you can go back. I've kept them all up. Um, yeah, yeah.
02:27.34
youcantcompthis
All right? So you're more interested in creating video content right? and then your secondary interest is sports cards and so you've just meshed those 2 together.
02:39.70
Matt
So I'd say I'd say more numb 1 be sports cards. The video content comes second but then it was more the fact that like I wanted to just see how I would go running a full like a Youtube channel and again I had times where I thought why am I doing this I'm pretty much ready to quit. Quit the Youtube channel because it's not giving me anything I'm just taking too much time out of my own life. But um again I just try to remember to you know I think it's it's a great thing to remember just generally to you know, think of the process and not to look at the outcome sort of thing. So I I do enjoy the process of recording videos coming up with content but then.
03:01.95
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
03:14.50
youcantcompthis
Um.
03:17.30
Matt
Yeah, when you look at your views and lots of stuff you subscribers sometimes that can get into your own head. But I think I'm past that and now yeah or I actually do not know. Um I'd say fulllength videos maybe a hundred and.
03:18.75
youcantcompthis
Art it? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, good How many videos are you up to now.
03:33.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? So you've been so like you've been smashing them out quicker than we've been doing podcasting.
03:35.60
Matt
50 could be wrong there? Honest honestly. Um, yeah, initially I was doing a video every third day. So obviously when you're doing a video every third day your content. Yeah, your brain's going to run out of content to um, think of but now I think.
03:43.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.
03:55.46
Matt
Um, about one video week at times like right now I've got a backlog of content which is great so I'll probably post 2 to 3 times a week leading into Christmas but I do feel like the content that I am posting now is much easier than the stuff that I was posting at the start in terms of just like mail days. You know me going through bargain boxes. Recording it shows like that stuff's very easy to do compared to me maybe coming up with something and then you know researching about something and then coming up with the script. Yeah, that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, so I think the whole process is much much more efficient for me now which is good.
04:21.81
youcantcompthis
Collecting facts and fact checking it. Yeah, that is a total pain. Yeah, absolutely yeah.
04:31.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right? So talk to us about your your card shop and your hobby hanging out stall your ebay ebay page and then move on to your boxes after that because.
04:32.46
Matt
Um, yeah, yeah.
04:43.70
Matt
So yeah, um, so last Sunday the time of recording we had the hobby hangout was the fourth hobby hanger in Melbourne pretty ridiculous considering um, you know the last couple years like how how often they've been right? And how good. Okay, how good they are so it was my first time seeing up there I've said a couple of times at the Melbourne Card fair which is a smaller more It's it's a smaller show but it's also good like I do recommend to anyone in Melbourne if you're down in Melbourne go check out both shows melbourne card fair are a little bit smaller. But.
05:13.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
05:18.36
Matt
Cheaper to get in cheaper to set up that but you do you can find some nice deals and also sell some cards. Um so hobby hangout last Sunday was good if I had to compare it to obviously the Melbourne Cards where I've what I've set up at I've always been transparent in terms of how much I've made and all that sort of stuff put it on the Youtube channel as well. Um, so.
05:20.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
05:34.46
youcantcompthis
Garica.
05:37.22
Matt
Ah, yeah, last last time at the hobby hangout was my biggest show but I also was able to sell a new product there if you guys don't follow me at all I've got a new card case which I've come out with um so that helped me in terms of sales. Ah, but in terms of. Card sales. It was very comparable to the Melbourne card fair which I was a little bit disappointed about considering hobby hangout tables are around 3 to 4 times the price of Melbourne card fairs tables and to only have cards be a little bit more than the melbourne cards there in terms of how much I sold was. Yeah, a little bit disappointing but ah, ah yeah I think at the end of the day. It's more the economy all that sort of stuff to timing. Um, but yeah I don't know it's it's hard to really kind of work out what went wrong, but I guess you'd have to ask a few other stars there. How they went.
06:25.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so like why don't we just sort of work through because you've just said a lot of different things there So won't we just work through that a little bit. Why don't we do a bit of a hobby hangout recap because I think you know it's a great time to do it and.
06:31.95
Matt
E.
06:38.36
Matt
Yeah.
06:40.93
youcantcompthis
So I think you were speaking about. Maybe you were expecting more sales is that talk to us a little bit more about that.
06:47.41
Matt
So yeah I think it's more talking to people that have set up at both shows and then you know people? Yeah so typically like from what I've heard melbourne card fair good dumb. It's kind of aimed for if you're a dealer is around $2000 so I've spoken to a few people. Um, who have done both and you know have sold $2000 at the card fair and they've said at the hobby hangout. They've done 5 figures so you know that that gets planted in your own head and you're like woo this could be a big show like I'm not expecting 5 figures. But maybe you know anywhere from seven eight
07:21.70
youcantcompthis
Half of that or a third of that. Yeah yeah.
07:24.56
Matt
9000 yeah yeah, absolutely so um yeah wasn't anywhere near that but was still more than the Melbourne card first I think that that sort of expectation ah was a bit and yeah probably wasn't the best but then I also look at all the exposure the marketing all that sort of stuff that you get which is fine. So.
07:43.41
youcantcompthis
So I would say the 3 common things that I heard at a lot of tables were people weren't buying and they weren't trading. They were just selling and the number of times that I heard that at tables like I've lost count of that. So talk to me as a as a table holder.
07:43.43
Matt
I Think that was more it for me than.
07:53.33
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
08:03.27
youcantcompthis
Why do you think people were saying that very consistently throughout the show.
08:07.84
Matt
Ah, again, maybe a little bit of fear I'll be honest, me personally I wasn't dying it to buy or trade as much I'm not a massive Trader I think I'm not the best Thinker quick thinker when it comes to coming up with values and coming up with a. A fair value and that sort of stuff. Um I did buy a fair few cards as a dealer but not not too much and I wasn't going out and saying I'm buying a bulk collection and you know let's comp. Let's go through this and comp this I think for me wasn't more the fact that I was fearful of the market I Just think you know with me and.
08:33.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
08:45.27
Matt
Jazz my wife. It's kind of hard even as ah, yeah, 2 people on a table when you've got that many people there. Let's say someone comes up with like ah ah you know 20 cards and like oh I want to combat out and then you're trying to work out with the process and like other people are trying to you know, buy your cards as well. I think that was kind of more it for me. Um.
09:02.30
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
09:05.11
Matt
Yeah, whether looking into the future whether I'd have to just get another person with me just to you know help um, manage the table. But yeah, so.
09:09.88
youcantcompthis
So this is a perfect time for us to thread in our sponsor. So ej cards they've sponsored us from the word go they've given us so much help and support jules said that exact thing word for word I'm not here to try and buy people's cards. It is a. I'll beep out what he said an effing nightmare if you want to come and sell cards to us come down to the shop. So I think that sentiment is not held just by you. That's held by other people and they are probably what 5 times 6 times bigger than you and they still struggle to.
09:33.53
Matt
Yeah, so.
09:46.39
youcantcompthis
To buy and to sell at the same time. So I don't think you're by yourself with that? Yeah yeah.
09:50.11
Matt
Yeah, absolutely like I even spoke to Dale at cherry the day after and obviously cherry are probably they probably would be the biggest buyers and he would yeah and that's that's them at every card show but he was saying that they didn't really buy that much whether people wanted.
09:57.28
youcantcompthis
They had 2 people just sitting there buying the whole time. Yeah.
10:09.78
Matt
You know prices from three to four months ago or whether yeah I don't know I don't know if it was I don't think it's them I think it's more people wanting more for their cards. But unfortunately they're not going to get the the number that they want. But yeah I think it's more.
10:21.53
youcantcompthis
I think it is tricky when you look at comps and comps are down and then they offer you 60% of that so you know I can understand why people wouldn't want to do that a couple of times like I've solved a cherry and actually I felt like I've gotten pretty with.
10:28.29
Matt
Absolutely yeah.
10:34.83
Matt
A.
10:38.80
youcantcompthis
With the correct exploitation of mine I've gotten a good deal. Um, and I've actually tried to trade them cards for sealed product and then they wouldn't do that so that's like the 1 thing where maybe what you're talking about a little bit too. It is sort of hard to comp things on the fly and it is easier just to deal with cash. Yeah.
10:57.50
Matt
Absolutely and I think another thing as well. I've noticed um you know people will complain if doesn't it's not just cherry that does this as ah as obviously a lot of deals that do this people want to sell their cards and as a buyer you know they want to pay 60
11:13.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
11:14.38
Matt
65% 70% and I think people think like well you know like why can't I get you know 90 like minus ebay fees and I used to think to myself. Yeah, a few years ago like well like yeah, why would I sell my cards to you sort of thing but at the end of the day people are there to make money as well and that effort of listing a card trying to find a buy for that card. It is worth that 15 to 20% so I think as well as a buyer. Um for me personally I this is where again where I struggle is I don't want to lowball someone and say I'm only going to pay you 65 70% of your your card because then I'm worried about what they're going to think about me and I think that might be just more my issue but. Um, I think that's what they probably do well it's they don't really care. They're happy to just yeah, offer that price? Um, but for me, yeah.
11:53.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure once you're a million dollar business you've done what 50000 deals you're you're past that stigma of of that. Yeah yeah, yeah.
12:00.47
Matt
Absolutely yeah, so yeah, I'm um, um, 100% all all on board where yeah they yeah they might have to offer a lower percentage just because yeah, again, they got to go through the effort of finding the buyer going through ebay mining the ebay fees all that sort of stuff. So I'm all on board on that. There's actually a great Youtube channel um baseball card collector and vs a dealer. Ah i' stuffed up the ordering of that but he just despite there's a few videos that he does where he goes through some lot deals and he's very specific in terms of telling people what he pays and he's a very is a big time sort of dealer. Um. Quite respected in the Youtube community I think people like how transparent and fair he is and I've seen some of these videos when he goes through like bulks and commons and lots sort of stuff he like will offer like 50%. Um, and then for the higher end stuff. He obviously goes a little bit higher. So I think that's very interesting to to watch because. Kind of makes you on the stand up like yeah at the end of the day. The person that's buying is to go through that work as well. They're not just buying it for their pc and they don't care what they pay. It's like they probably want to make some money as long. Go through that effort. So um, I'm truly understanding of all that so that sort of stuff.
13:04.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, hundred percent yeah Yeah talk to us about the boxes that you've been selling because I'm actually quite interested in this as ah as a concept in Australia buying good. Protection for your cards is quite difficult and I'll take that point so much further that actually a company got born out of that. So the palms off gaming boys. They saw there was such a hole in the market there that you couldn't get a good quality stuff. You couldn't get it into Australia and if you did you know you're paying all that. High shipping fees and then you like realistically you're a little bit limited to what ultrapro and maybe Bc W if you wanted to you know, stretch out for a little bit. So I think that market has changed since they've come into the market but I definitely want to hear your thoughts about. Obviously your product so talk talk to us about your product. First of all and then where that sort of fits into the market because I think this is a really interesting conversation.
14:04.67
Matt
Yes, yeah, um I don't know how we we go through it. So I think I was always after these cases I and if I've got one behind me actually so these are the 1 row boxes. Um, yeah, okay.
14:15.18
youcantcompthis
So keep it in mind. This will go up as a podcast So the more descriptive words is the better. Yeah.
14:20.46
Matt
Yeah, so ah ah yeah just a nice little frame I guess a little bit more sturdy. Obviously a lot of people the the more common case here for carrying your cards your your bunnings cases. Um and look they're fine I've got nothing against them I just think for me personally they look a little bit tacky. Um, and zion cases are very big in America um, you see pretty much everyone at card shows they're carrying these cases around so they're basically just like a heavy duty sort of case that don't look as tacky well offen the bunnings. Um as those cases and they can carry your graded cards 1 touches all that sort of stuff.
14:54.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
14:57.39
Matt
Um, these are quite secure. So ah, my one's out a combination lock you can set personally. But yeah for me personally when I was trying to find a case I didn't like to look at the bunings ones I've seen other alternatives and then you know I tried to import a zion case myself I think it was over 200 Dollars just to buy it and then to import it who knows could be like 40 or $50 um, and then I even tried getting another company to sponsor me. But again they weren't opening their yeah their doors up to Australia because at the end of the day we're in ire. So it's very hard to get stuff here. Yeah that that is bulky. So I got quite frustrated with that. Um, absolutely.
15:35.60
youcantcompthis
Shipping is ridiculous out to hear from the Us though like particularly for stuff like that like I don't know the exact numbers. But what you're saying to me is not shocking me by any means at all. Yeah yeah.
15:43.74
Matt
Yeah, absolutely. So yeah I think initially I was just like you know let's how can I how can I get this product and yeah, luckily again I was able to come into contact with a supplier and then you know was able to get him wholesar here. So. Yeah, it cost me a fair bit of money. But I think having this product here in Australia will fill a need for a lot of people and then again going back to the hobby hangout um was the first time I actually only got the case that a week before the hobby hanger didn't get to do too much marketing it spoken about it on the Youtube channel a little bit had people saying they were keen on lots of the stuff. Did sell pretty well at the hobby hangingout which is good and then was able to even get a few maybe like 3 or 4 customers that didn't watch a Youtube channel know who I was that looked at the cases and thought like wow these are pretty nice like um, yeah, I'm going to buy 1 so I think that was that was really nice. So hopefully with a little bit more marketing.
16:35.10
youcantcompthis
You didn't have them that well positioned on your table though and I'm saying that in a kind way like so the fact that you got people cold calling you know coming up to you to buy them I'll say that's excellent. Yeah, and that just shows again like the hole in the market and then you've brought in a good product and you know put it in there. So.
16:41.43
Matt
Yeah.
16:51.87
Matt
I yeah yeah and and again I think being a 1 ne-man show as well has been hard so I'm still working on marketing how I'm gonna list it how to ship it all less of this stuff. But I think right behind me is the very yeah and on the podcast you can't see it. But.
16:53.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
17:06.95
Matt
Buy me. Um I've got like a box that I'm shipping out tomorrow. So it's going to work out how much postage will be but hoping to keep the hobby hangout prices and then just add shipping. So um, it'll be I think $150 including shipping 4 the 3 row and then the one row will be $100 including shipping so that's the way cheaper than.
17:12.98
youcantcompthis
Yes, wait.
17:25.23
Matt
Um, importing it from um America and then probably I think it's still cheaper than anything you find in Australia especially with a combination lock as well. So I think people like the added sort of yeah function of setting your own combination lock maybe makes a little bit more proper and secure. Um, so yeah, that was more something that. I was able to pre out to the Instagram followers because I was able to get a sample out which was a larch lock people said they wanted the combination lock and then was able to get that one in and I think people like the combination lock a little bit better.
17:53.61
youcantcompthis
I Think price is important but I think if you get the actual product right? and the quality right? because I think what you spoke about before with like the different boxes and the buning stuff like there isn't really. Great options out there and I think most people sort of make do like and other ones that people buy to is the ones from super cheap order. Yeah I I I bought metal briefcases off ebay and then put sort of padding around it and then made my own divide is like that's what I did for mine and that.
18:12.83
Matt
Yeah, exactly right? So look. Um I.
18:25.29
Matt
Yeah, absolutely.
18:26.66
youcantcompthis
Okay, but I don't think it's fantastic for carrying around you know, high value cards or even really transporting them around. It's more just sitting on my shelf and then when I want to flick through my cards. You know that's how I sort of do that? yeah.
18:42.40
Matt
Um, absolutely and also because it's quite um, a sturdy product as well. Like you know when it is filled up. It can be quite heavy so people have asked. Theyre adding more rosents and stuff I'll see in the future. But um, people ah people have spoken about their bigger cases and bringing out cardios. Want to be logging around a massive case after with cards the whole day. So I think for now I'm happy with 1 in 3 rows. Potentially you might get a to row in the future. Ah, you know, maybe ah, an ability to customize. Yeah.
19:05.26
youcantcompthis
So stupid question. What's the difference between a one and a 3 row is that the actual is the physical size of the case different because they looked pretty similar to me or as I didn't understand that properly.
19:16.94
Matt
Yeah, so one row will fit around 40 to I'll say ah yeah, 40 to 43 psa slubs the 3 rows fit around 90 to yeah ninety two ninety three ish psa slubs yeah yeah um I do think the three row.
19:27.20
youcantcompthis
Right? So it's almost 3 times as big then is that what you mean sure.
19:36.77
Matt
Um, is better for more like your trade nights because I mean I I had my 3 row at the hobby hang out. It was fine carrying around all that sort of stuff. So I think it's fine to um, bring it to a card show if you want to Um, but I do think the run one row is better for a card show because you can fill it up. You can carry it around quite fine I think it's 3 rows break for like a trade night because you want to bring your whole collection. Have it on the table displaying everything. That's great. But again I don't think the 3 rows that that that heavy at all. So um, yeah I think either 1 ne's fine I did have my good friend Andrew who bought both and then he just obviously will have different uses for either 1 but yeah, just just depends.
20:08.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So yeah. And are you trying to directly compete with Palms off boys or is it more are you trying to fit into a different lane in this space. Yeah.
20:29.53
Matt
I enough and fit in differently i' um' all, um, all on board with palms off like Ill use so many of their products. Ah I don't think they actually sell the case from what I know I have seen a couple others in a strayer. Ah, but yeah I still think I'm the cheapest. So. Hopefully I can stay that way. Ah so yeah.
20:49.92
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
20:52.37
youcantcompthis
All right? It is there anything else content wise or anything Matthew Ugo wise that we need to touch on before we move on.
21:03.47
Matt
Ah I can't think of anything in the top of my head I think you've covered it very well. Ah, yeah.
21:05.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah, awesome, great all right? Well I think the first thing we need to talk about is your Houston rockets because I feel like in the last twelve months I've been I wouldn't say hypercritical but I've had very little time. For what they did last season I thought that was just atrocious and I'm sticking by that and then my initial thought this year was that it was just going to be more of the same and I think what are we into the season these maybe 16 games in 17 games and maybe after 4 or 5 games already that thought process. It's. Begun to flick around in my head like you could tell even after 4 games they were a lot more competitive than what they were last year and then after what 17 you know 16 games they've they've got a positive winning record now haven't they yeah yeah.
21:56.21
Matt
Ah, yeah I think maybe plus one or plus two over the five hundred so
21:58.71
youcantcompthis
Which is a massive deal even if you know they lose the next 15 games in a row I think you can still look at this season I think as ah like an overall positive compared to last year so I think obviously the coaching is a really big deal. Jalen Green he shot selection has definitely improved dare I say it. He's defensive rotations have improved. Yeah Fred Vanlet is a winner like I think that's all you need to say about him that that's easy Dylan Brooks as much as I think the guy's an absolute clown. He's been playing his role really well which is a clown but also you know.
22:21.91
Matt
Ah, hundred percent yeah is putting in effort.
22:36.86
youcantcompthis
Ah, defender fuels in gaps. You know where's needed and then I think the next one to talk about is shengoon and maybe we can save shangoon to last because I think that's probably the you know, really the big story about this team. But you're a massive Houston fan where are you sitting with these guys.
22:53.91
Matt
Oh made the last two three years has been. Yeah, even even when Harden was on the team the last couple of years. It was hard to watch. Um, even when he was playing with Wes Brook then we had the John Wall Victor Ola Depo yeah um it was hard times a Houston fan honestly and. Ah, you know last season there was a lot of excitement Kevin Poys junior alprenchon guen Jabari Smith yeah
23:10.86
youcantcompthis
Just to cut you off for 2 seconds so having a dip on ola depot I actually will defend them for that. The John wall thing did they get an asset when they traded for him.
23:24.96
Matt
Well actually can't remember I Wonder if it was a.
23:26.85
youcantcompthis
Because if they picked up an asset I'm okay with that you know what I mean like.
23:33.25
Matt
Was it westrook for war in the end I mean ah, don't know. Um, but yeah I dont know last last season was yeah, a little bit of excitement having a young team I didn't actually mind Steven Silas but um, look I just I've always said this with with Nba teams no matter how great your young talent is you need people there to mentor them last season we had Eric Gordon a lot of Erick Gordon but then obviously he wanted to leave I can't even remember who we had off that I think we had bobarn and bobarn's actually been great for our locker room. It's been great on every team. He's been on.
24:04.27
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
24:09.42
Matt
Ah, but now lot this season you got Fred Van Flee you got Dylan Brooks people love the rag on Dylan Brooks but he's played his role perfectly and the other day you need those people on your team and any any Nba like you need that alternative personality and I think at Memphis obviously was a little bit too much towards the end but I've always.
24:12.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah.
24:22.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you can't have twelve twenty year olds in a locker room though I think that's the key point there and they've they definitely address that. Yeah yeah.
24:30.80
Matt
So absolutely and then we've also got Jeff Green as well. Aaron holiday's been playing very well but to be fair this the 1 thing that's been actually really disappointing as a Houston Ben and as an aussie as well. Jock landale I thought would be the perfect backup for shegoon.
24:35.85
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
24:49.77
Matt
And it was also quite annoying because you know not saying this. But yeah, a lot of people might think that americans are ignorant and when Houston did sign Jocck Landau to that contract. Everyone's like oh who is this guy like he's terrible. But as an aussie we love jock Landau we love his effort. We know his's high motor player high- energy will do all the dirty stuff for you and. Was like this guy's gonna be unbelievable in Houston just being the backup. We don't expect too much of him and he's just been honestly could have been could be 1 of our worst players this season I'm just I'm thinking it might just be his ankle injury. Um obviously had and a severe ankle injury that kept him out of the was it the worlds I think that um. Got kept out I can't remember he had a massive a injury during the preseason. Um, so maybe he's just recovering from that but he's looks really slow this season which has been annoying as an aussieian as a Houston fan.
25:35.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so just dig it a little bit deeper into you doca though because that's something else. Let you have to like totally fine like talk about you know the guys on the court but talk to us about Eu doca like why? Why is he a better coach than silas because.
25:49.00
Matt
Um, yeah.
25:55.80
youcantcompthis
Actually don't think Silas did a bad job. Can I be honest with you I think you give 35 other coaches that roity had last year and I would say that the outcome is going to be the same 33 or 34 times you know what I mean like I think that team was that was ah that was a tough ross so to manage you know.
26:04.18
Matt
M.
26:13.35
Matt
Garbage absolutely and I think also another thing we didn't say was Kevin Porter Jr was the point guard last season and whilst he did play well, he's not a true point guard. So he was looking for his own shot. He's looking for his own shot jale greens looking for his own shot. No one wants to play team basketball. But.
26:14.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
26:21.73
youcantcompthis
Um, he's not a point guy. Yeah yeah.
26:29.47
Matt
Yeah again I didn't mind seeing Silas the first couple of seasons again I'll give him a bit of a leash I thought he always talked quite well obviously his dad was a great coach Paul um I I just think he's too nice and I think when you've got young players who need to be molded.
26:36.34
youcantcompthis
Yes.
26:47.19
Matt
Ah, and have some discipline. You can't have someone that's too nice. So obviously email you doca has been well known for that 1 year in Boston a couple years ago where yeah he he was obviously quite quite tough on everyone. Um, and yeah, obviously made his mistakes and I think he's just been.
26:58.44
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
27:06.25
Matt
Really good at pulling aside yeah know like a Jalen Green who probably thinks he's the number one option but now has toend with Fred Vanlet al brench and gon even Dylan Brooks he can put up 20 shots a game if he wants to like and just telling him that like hey you don't need to be averaging 20 to 25 points a game for us to win you just need to you know, take good shots.
27:24.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:25.56
Matt
Play have some ethon defenses and make the right pass and I think that's exactly what he's been doing he shooting numbers that still pretty similar to last season. Um, but again I've watched each of Houston's games most of Houston's games is season and he's making the right pass he's playing defense but there are times obviously where it hasn't been the best. But.
27:39.26
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
27:43.70
Matt
Hopefully that irons out throughout the season but definitely happy where he's this season compared to last season.
27:47.95
youcantcompthis
So I think the 1 thing that we haven't done. This podcast is really any card values which is basically our bread and butter. So I think we need to to get on this a little bit Jalen Green silver ps a 10 last sold for one hundred and eighty eight fifty is this a bio holder or sell for you at that price.
28:09.92
Matt
Um, for me personally again I I wanted to be a massive Jalllan green guy. He's part filipino I'm filipino see we're looking for filipino players to really idolize. You know if we're right now we're looking atly soto.
28:25.71
youcantcompthis
Ah.
28:27.58
Matt
Um, so we look for these even if they've got a little bit of filipin and and we're looking for them. But I I don't know I'd I'd more if I had his cards I'd hold. But if I didn't have his cards I probably wouldn't be looking I just don't think I think the team's Chin Goons in the future. So I just don't want Houston to slide him to a massive extension. Ah I don't know if he's going to be that player I like him but I just like shinoon way more. So.
28:58.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure all right? So I think that's going to be a really good seggue in dish andgoon. But I think I was really worried about jell and green because of all the hype that came out with him and people. In my opinion we're dropping like just like crazy money and this guy and I was just like this guy's just a gunner. You know he's a highlight reel and then people making the trace immigrady comparisons and they're making the you know Grant Hill comparisons and all that type of stuff and I just didn't see it i. I tried my hardest and I couldn't see it whereas this year like I can see a little bit of Grant Hill and I can see some trace immigrady in this kid and like and the defensive effort is there. So I think for me I've I've come ah around a long way on this kid and so look at the last two years he's down 75% so you know in terms of an asset that's in distress or you know an an asset that's Depreciated. You know he's you know how much more can it go down really interesting though. So card ladder puts him overvalued at two point 5 so if you do believe that metric which I'm still you know I'm not 100% on you know? do you wait a little bit longer. The thing for me is I think I would be looking at this guy but I would more be thinking of this in terms of like in the next twelve months what's going to happen to him and I probably actually think he's going to go down a little bit more in the next twelve months even though he's playing better basketball and the Houston rockets are going to be better.
30:29.20
youcantcompthis
And I think a large portion of that is going to what you're just saying there was shengoon so you're you're a Houston rockets fan. How high are you right now and on shengoon and where do you put him in the Mba's ah late
30:46.84
Matt
In the nbas lead I mean that's crazy to even think you know people are even discussing that. But um I think you know obviously he has his faults still he still makes some dumb plays I think the love first couple of seasons. Ah you know fans including myself were worried that Obviouslysi shengoon offensively is great. But can you have a championship with such a poor defender. Um, you've obviously looked quite slow but you know whether he's worked on that in the off season where it's a little bit of email. Maybe they've changed defensive game a little bit. Um, he's yeah.
31:07.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:18.88
youcantcompthis
They've definitely changed their schemes and you know do you make the argument that they've changed it to suit him or is this the the team around him better. So then he's also better. Defensively. You know what? I mean like he's not been put in those terrible situations like last year that was a very difficult team to you know succeed on I think that's a reasonable thing to say. Yeah yeah.
31:39.36
Matt
Yeah, ah yeah, absolutely and that's why I think I think the team around him for sure. Sorry he's actually been playing better defense. Um, yeah, played against yogitch a couple days ago probably didn't defend him too well but I did listen to the post-am interview I think yogie just got like thirty five and fifteen very typical yokitch game. Um, but they he did say that the rockets were really trying to make a yo huge score and not have him playmaker as much because they think Denver's at its at its best when he's just playmaking but when they're making the primary score they're not playing as well. So other than that I think he's been playing much improved defense which has been good I'm not expecting him to be. Ah, an all defensive player but you know have a little bit of effort and I think having someone next with like Jabarro Smith who seems like he really cares about the team. Um I think that was the 1 thing coming out from college for him. It's like you know he his potential may not be the highest but he seemed a really good locker room guy and it was. Great that we had John Green and all these sorts of players come in but it's like we need some locker room guys now. So that's why I like the Jabari Smith's book pick um and then obviously yeah, he's got his team around him Dolan Brooks he's a great wing defender Fred vanfleeet probably not so much but then they're actually having some effort now with Jo and green. So.
32:53.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
32:54.61
Matt
I think the whole team around has just been great for shengoon probably mastered a little bit of his liability as a defensive player. But yeah, offensively that they're running through him way more now I think every Houston Fann's been crying out for it if not like a yokitch wear's completely through him but you definitely see players going through him and.
33:06.50
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
33:14.21
Matt
I think the best thing about it is in the clutch they're going straight to schnggoon and the post there's been ah I've watched the last few games we've had a few close ones which unfortunately we've lost we lost the clip it lost the legrs. But yeah with was it like 30 seconds left schengoons backing down on theronn layout on Lebronn and.
33:17.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
33:34.17
Matt
Have that trust on shengoon and the post is is absolutely incredible. You've obviously got other playmaker other great players who could do that for you like for m feeet and Joan Green but to to have that trustss on on al and guon is absolutely ridiculous. So um I think it just placed a lot of faith and trust um, that.
33:45.89
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
33:50.77
Matt
The organization just has behind him and his teammota for him as well which is good.
33:53.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah, ah like the the thing that's really going through my mind about this guy though is is he actually a buy and easy buy that you're gonna hold on to for say 5 years and is this the next coming of Nicola Yoki like that's the. I think that's the real question at the moment with this kid so where do you sit with that because the numbers are scarily comparable.
34:18.75
Matt
Yeah I think it's I find it high because he's on my team. So I love him. Ah, you know you always if you want to think about investment wise it is hard to kind of look at it from both sides I mean obviously if you want to go the comparison to yokish you can because. Um, hely he he said in multiple interviews that he ah he idolizes yokish um I think yokish is a better shoudo ah say shi greens playmaking is up there. But yeah, it's the comparisons there I can definitely say it. It's obviously going to be a huge step to get to where yokish is now. Um, yeah in terms of 4 to 5 years where do I see him. it's it's hard it's it depends on the organization as well. Like again, they are running through shingur at the moment but are they going to still run with him for the next. 9 years or is John Green going to say no like I need to have step up and have more of the ball or is he going to just leave the team I'm just um, not I'm intrigued by that sort of stuff. Ah for me personally I think it's hard again. I the pc at the moment I'm still buying a lot of shengoon. It wouldn't be the worst to sell because. Ah, the other at the end of the day he's gone up a significant um fair bit in terms of his amount. So if you've you've made a bit of a flip go ahead and sell ah I'm still I don't think we're going to go too far into the playoffs. So yeah, even if we make the playoffs as well like that's that's hard enough. But.
35:32.90
youcantcompthis
Yes.
35:45.38
Matt
Or scary enough to say in itself. So it's hard I can't I think I'm too invested in it. Emotionally.
35:48.64
youcantcompthis
There's a lot of heat on this guy at the moment. Yeah yeah, no, and and that's totally fine I think where I sort of sit at the moment is that you do have a very clear blueprint of where he could go and it's so obvious because Yoki is in his prime. And he's played you know, just come off a championship to and mvps and also the nbas changed so that big guys like him who aren't the traditional athletic 7 footer that can protect the rim can still be a starting center and also.
36:18.99
Matt
A.
36:21.53
youcantcompthis
Become good enough defensively that they can win a championship and I think that that narrative probably wasn't there what two years ago so I think you know for shengoon that's where he comes a bit more juicy because you can see the amazing playmaking.
36:38.24
Matt
Absolutely and he's just someone who adds to his game as well. So um.
36:40.25
youcantcompthis
That's right and he's improved a lot in a very short period of time and then you're speaking about the shooting before I would say that's the one skill that I think can be added to people's games in say a 2 or a 3 year period
36:52.51
Matt
Yeah, and yeah, if you've watched this season as well. He's added this sort of Houston rockets. Um, commentators are announces. They've called the Flamingo shop but it's sort of this dirk onefooted fade away. It's not exactly that. But it's.
37:04.40
youcantcompthis
But he doesn't jump though. Does he. It's so weird.
37:09.71
Matt
Yeah, it's sort of like he faces up and then he lifts the leg up and sort of it's it's very weird but he's a very unconventional player and that's just how he's always played um but it does go in. It's not like the James Harden sidestep 3 that he had for a few games where it he he wasn't making it like this is a shot that shin gus actually.
37:14.52
youcantcompthis
Yes.
37:28.97
Matt
Practice over and over and actually made during the season. So um, I'm not actually I actually like James Hardon still so um ah um um I think you been still like James Harden as a whole um in going back to shengu as well. I think another thing as well.
37:29.60
youcantcompthis
Are you traumatized by James Harden okay Okay,
37:46.40
Matt
Ah, that it's sort of making a bit of a renaissance in terms of the Nba is obviously that center position. So a lot of people will like and maybe not sport. Yeah you you could say it's sports hud wise. But absolutely yeah, exactly that. So now you look at know the best place in the and Nba you think of.
37:52.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely the senate position was dead like they took it off the all Star Ballon. Yeah yeah, and be your kick. Yeah.
38:05.00
Matt
And be yolkish you think of even Yarnis if you want to call him a center as well. So I think Shegoon's definitely got a place in the hobby. Um, yeah, that whole big man argument for me is kind of gone and with with with with really good players. So no I'm all on board with changooon.
38:09.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.
38:20.82
youcantcompthis
Look yeah I still feel you haven't really answered my question that well though I feel like you've sidestepped it because you kind of like you know I don't want be too biased here. But I really think there has to be at least some conversation around you know where is this kind of going to be in 5 years and I I think also to where's sitting at the moment like the prices are still low. So there is that sort of um, low low risk high reward scenario that sort of plays out here and I'm definitely going to press you and ask you 1 more time. So.
38:50.79
Matt
Yeah.
38:55.90
youcantcompthis
What do you think? the probability is that he wins an Mvp. How about that.
39:02.39
Matt
Wow that is that is pretty ridiculous I look you've actually stopped me here I ah he can win one. He can win 1
39:12.78
youcantcompthis
I.
39:17.36
Matt
Just on his trajectory and how much I know he wants to improve each season I think he has the potential to win one and.
39:19.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's a big part by the way the mental application and you know that desire to improve That's a really big deal So in your opinion. He's got the right attitude and and the right work I think to to get there.
39:30.29
Matt
Yeah, yeah, there's never been any reports of him being terrible in the locker room or anything anything like that which has been good I think a lot of hous and big men do this but you know train with a Kim large 1 worked with that footwork was also the Turkish League mvp so
39:39.48
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
39:46.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that stuff matters to me actually by the way. Yeah, the Mvp of like european leagues. That's that's really important. Yeah yeah.
39:49.81
Matt
You know it's yeah, it's it's it's no slouch so I was obviously I was really skeptic actually coming out um of the draft I thought a back to the basket sort of playoff that never really works in the Nba anymore. But yeah, it's actually it's actually worked out so no. I think he can win the Mvp whether Houston um as a hu and support him to win the Mvp remains the question for me. But I think if everything goes right? I think he can win the Mvp maybe five to six years
40:19.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. So the thing I would like to see more is playing the high post because I think if you speak well if you think about and we speak about the comparison to Jokekick I think that's the big difference like where they sort of position themselves on the court and look this is just my opinion and this. Nothing to support this I just think the and Nba game flows better through the high post and the low post. So if we can sort of put that sort of vision into his passing and and play like because I think there's also something to be said to about a big guy getting the ball. Rebounding it and brilliant down the court and the guards to sort of play off him and I think that's why the Michael ported like this is a really deep segue now. But I think that's why Michael Porter Jr is so good in Denver because like there was a meme up this week that he'd scored 63 straight points without an assist but that's that doesn't matter when you've got a big guy like joker.
41:12.23
Matt
It.
41:16.20
youcantcompthis
Passing the ball around and he can just do what he does best which is gun. You know like I love that so much so and I think you know maybe the Houston ah comparison is Jaylen Green is the Michael Porter Junior in this instance or you know so know? yeah.
41:31.32
Matt
Absolutely yeah.
41:33.83
youcantcompthis
Look I think we should do some really quick shgoon prices and we move on to our next topic I'll just run some off I couldn't find him on on card ladder which is really disappointing for me because I think he would be just like a straight line up so I'll just run off a couple and then you tell me whether you buy hold or sell it so Don Russ optic premium box set. So that's the sort of the scopey one out of optic Ps a ten a hundred dollars
41:58.19
Matt
I I would that's a good price I don't think the premium premium box sets are too loved by collectors but it is a good price at $100 I probably wouldn't b buy it though just that specific set more. So.
42:10.28
youcantcompthis
yeah yeah I agree with that red cracked ice prism PS a 10 1 forty five usd so you've got the color match going on there.
42:21.31
Matt
I Yeah I probably wouldn't bite again more the specific card I'd be probably trying to get his autos This is more in terms of the hobby in general I would probably be trying to get more his on card Autos or yeah.
42:30.10
youcantcompthis
All right? Okay so I don't believe this is on card. This is a sticker so PSA 10 select number to two Nine Nine rookie Autograph four fifty canadian so that's like I think that's around sort of.
42:35.19
Matt
I.
42:43.28
Matt
I.
42:48.17
youcantcompthis
Five fifty aussie maybe even a bit more.
42:52.10
Matt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd be selling that. Yeah, it's hard to compare him to Yog. So obviously yeah with yogage and stuff like that like he didn't have as many sets. So I think about that sort of stuff long term. Um.
42:53.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? interesting.
43:08.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
43:09.22
Matt
If you can get the short term flip go for it. But yeah with the amount of shngoon autos and he signs in his second year as well. Ah, it's it's hard for me to really justify paying that price long term for like a sticker auto I think that's more my thinking behind it.
43:20.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's a like a and I think that's a sensible thing to say here too because I think he is so hot at the moment. It's almost easy to get caught up in the hype. Yeah yeah.
43:35.27
Matt
So absolutely I've been caught up I think I've bought like 3 shamegoon autos in the past two weeks but um again it's more for pc anyway. So I don't really care.
43:37.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, all right last one because this is a really good one actually so this is the blue seventy fifth anniversary card his rookie Prismcard psa 10 1 thirty eight fifty so those aren't particularly ssps but they seem to sell that particular print sells pretty well.
43:54.91
Matt
Well, ah.
44:01.50
Matt
So I would probably sell because I just don't like that parallel as much but again, that's more personal. So.
44:02.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay, yeah, right? Okay, no no, that's that's what I'm here to ask you man like definitely yeah, all right? So I think we should move on and this is not particularly in the run sheet but we have to talk about this we we did talk about this off-air was the um, the Josh giddy situation. So. Allegations have come to light on the judge jury and executioner which is Twitter and it became that much of a news story that actually made it to the channel 9 news. So if we got people listening overseas. Um, we have 4 television stations that are.
44:26.74
Matt
So.
44:37.82
youcantcompthis
Free to air in Australia and that's like 1 of them. So I also noticed today that there was some press conference questions where they directly asked him about the allegations and he basically just no comment at it. So we're not going to talk about. What did or didn't happen. But what we are going to talk about is his card value because I think this is really interesting in terms of I would say that the sentiment on australian card pages has been a lot of Josh Kitdty sales at the moment in terms of people unloading. So I think the early sentiment is.
45:01.49
Matt
Um, in.
45:13.31
youcantcompthis
Uneasy you know feeling and I think for me this is actually quite a difficult one because I would say less than 10 shows I was telling Adam how much I love this kid because he's doing. Basketball clinics for young kids and he's doing you know media sessions all around Australia and his grassroots and all this type of stuff. So I think for me this has been a really really you know difficult 1 pill to swallow I suppose if the allegations are proven to be true. Um, yeah, where are you at with. But this whole Josh giddy situation.
45:47.44
Matt
Absolutely agree I think we were all excited because we'd all. Um, yeah, coming off Ben Simmons we're just looking for the next play and Josh Kiddy was like it. You know seems like yeah was playing for the boomers embraced the culture and everything all that still coming back to Australia.
45:53.25
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
46:04.42
Matt
Doing his clinics doing the meetups doing the photos and it just seems like from all reports. He's just been been really good. So obviously this has been ah, a massive shock to to everyone. Um, yeah, the card prices I agree with you in there in terms of the the actual Facebook groups itself I think.
46:10.76
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
46:21.44
Matt
You do see a lot of people panicking and just putting putting him up for sale I have seen a few people that are just like ah this is the time to buy so they're like trying to.
46:26.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and let's talk about that too I think both I think we should talk about both sides of the coins I Think that's fine. Yeah.
46:33.50
Matt
Yeah I think yeah I've seen some people going like ah um, this is the I'm going to get an nt rpa of of Josh Giddey this isnt my perfect chance. So I I'll I'll give a couple comparisons in the kayla car hobby that other of also experienced myself personally. Ah.
46:37.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
46:52.40
Matt
First one I'll say I don't know too much about this one as much Wanda Franco from baseball so he last year or two years ago was pretty much the but the biggest young star in.
47:00.76
youcantcompthis
So for reference I know who that is but I because I'm so pure and Nba I actually have no idea what he did. So yeah, you can either explain it to me or you can tiptoe around it either is fine. Yeah yeah.
47:11.10
Matt
Yeah I Yeah yeah, um so I again I'm not a massive baseball fan but I like to keep my toes up. Yeah toes in all sports. So I kind of I kind of understand a little bit of it. But yeah, one of the biggest stars young stars. He probably was the biggest young star in in baseball a couple years ago.
47:16.48
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, you do a bit of everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:28.16
Matt
Was actually able to snap up. Ah an auto of him because everyone was saying this is the guy you need to have sort of thing and it it wasn't just something that he was doing in the miners. It was like he'd actually performed in yeah Mlb like he's doing some crazy stuff. So I thought I'll get an auto like long term I could you know keep my eye on baseball away and then you.
47:43.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
47:47.94
Matt
When was it earlier this year it might have been. He was put on on administrative leave I think it is and the stuff came out that he was having an inappropriate relationship with um, a minor I think it was a 13 or a fourteen year old I can't remember the actual age. Um.
47:59.58
youcantcompthis
Okay.
48:04.25
Matt
Ah, think he's been reinstated I'm not too sure but he was off the Mlb for a couple months um but anyways going through his card prices when that stuff came out considering the year he was I think it was having an all right season. But yeah his year. Ah.
48:21.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure so was he proven guilty in that instance.
48:21.78
Matt
It pretty much just ruined his whole reputation. Ah the yeah, just his card price. Ah I'm not exactly sure. So definitely Twitter guilty.
48:30.18
youcantcompthis
Or was he proven Twitter guilty. Yeah sure. Yeah.
48:38.42
Matt
But it was very similar to the Josh Gidty stuff except this was a relationship versus whatever Josh Gitty did um but I was just reading it on Wikipedia before because I was thinking about a comparison and um I think Mlb decided not to penalize him because they don't know.
48:47.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
48:54.57
Matt
Yeah, it doesn't automate. It's under their conduct or something or that it doesn't yeah affect I can't remember the exact thing you might have to research it later on. But um, yeah, even then his reputation is pretty much cooked and then the other one I'm more familiar with is Deshan Watson Yeahp. So.
48:58.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
49:04.97
youcantcompthis
can I can I just hold that that for 2 seconds so I've just quickly gone onto card ladder and looked up his all time value. So wadaf franco ps a ten two thousand and nineteen Bowman paper prospects all time high was one hundred and twenty three dollars that's currently now trading it. $15 so I think I'm sure I could find a better card. That's you know, got a bit more relevance and all that type of stuff. But basically it's just gone down 90%. So I think that's the yep.
49:37.90
Matt
Yeah I would be looking at like his first Bowman Chrome Auto because that's just like the stuff that um baseball collectors. Want they want the very first Bowman Auto um and I feel like that would just be.
49:42.99
youcantcompthis
Show. Yeah.
49:52.40
Matt
Reckon it'd be down 80 to 90% from its all-time high just yeah, based off. Um what he's done. But yeah as I was just saying as well. The thehaun the the Sean Watson um comparison
49:53.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? Sorry man.
50:05.95
Matt
His was a little bit different but I understand it's a little bit more because I'm a Houston fan he was our qb great player from all reports really good human um, yeah, had a lot of stories about him in college in the community. Great stuff and then some allegations came out of him. Um that he ah. How do we word this to the younger people do let's just say he was asking for. Don't know how we should word this yes, asking for extra things that he shouldn't have um for professional services. So yeah, and.
50:30.30
youcantcompthis
Lollies.
50:35.40
youcantcompthis
Sure, let's let's leave it like that. Yeah yeah.
50:41.39
Matt
Yeah, there were about twenty fifteen to 20 people that came out with with stuff like this so it was this massive thing. The Nfl ended up suspending him for an entire season because of the allegations and then um I don't know if he actually got suspended for the season or whether he just took time off because it was the whole investigation. But then he ended up being cleared. And the Nfl suspended him for another 12 games. He only came back last season for the last four or five games wasn't too great and then now he's back to this season but unfortunately ruled out for the season because of an injury but his card price has again gone down massively I think the 1 thing with giddy though that is a plus for him.
51:01.33
youcantcompthis
Sure.
51:18.55
Matt
Is that we've got this massive aussie sort of yeah, we've got a lot of aussies that are behind him again with americans they're happy to throw him off because there's so many other plays on him to fly but with us even with Ben Simmons all that sort of stuff a lot of people want not like him but a lot of aussies still love him support him I think Josh giddy is in the same boat as well. Like. Yeah, whatever, whatever happens they're going to be supporters of him for for yeah, his ability on the court. So that's just how the way things are yeah.
51:42.40
youcantcompthis
So with that last comment you made I would maybe push back in a little bit of a different mindset so I would say there's actually a bit of a difference between Ben Simmons just being a generalized.
51:59.97
Matt
So say it.
52:00.52
youcantcompthis
Bit of a wanker or ahead and then as opposed to something that doing is potentially ah you know a criminal act. So I think you do have to sort of distinguish those 2 things and then in terms of like the value. Not you know, falling off down to the bottom.
52:07.54
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
52:18.57
youcantcompthis
I would say that's again I'll just distinguish that between being a Pc item and being you're buying it now because you think it's going to be cheap and then you can sell it in the future like actually now that you flesh this out a little bit more I think it's fraught with Peril you know, having that mindset and so I'm just looking at the.
52:33.80
Matt
E.
52:36.11
youcantcompthis
The bow and Chrome autograph that you were talking about so that's sold for an all time hive 6000 this is for Wonda Franco it's now training at 300 and sorry 275 was the last trade so that's down 80% yeah so you know look.
52:46.37
Matt
Well well.
52:51.97
youcantcompthis
I don't know how much you know where this is at in terms of his timeline and you know how does his sort of pass out in terms of Josh giddy but you know I look I think I think either way this is a really interesting case study because whether he's guilty or he's not guilty and. I swear this is like the Derek rose thing where you know Derek Rose had that very public court case about him tying knots in contraceptives and put him into his pocket and leaving the room. You know all that type of stuff like you know and they. Basically taught about that stuff. You know managing it these days and clearly giddys mismanaged this in such a exponentially bad way that you know whether he's guilty or not I actually think this is going to really negatively affect him. Actually that's probably where my mindsets at currently and. And I've got no idea whether he's guilty or not you know.
53:44.20
Matt
He's also not really having the greatest season. Um, you know, third yard people expecting him to have a ah big jump with chet in but Chet's probably taken a bit of ball away from him. So I mean if you look at that aspect as well. He's not really having the best third season and yeah.
53:56.12
youcantcompthis
What? So okay, if you put the numbers as so have you watched much thunder this year okay
54:01.69
Matt
No I haven't I've just listened to a few podcasts and I heard a few people say that shet been taking away from gi.
54:07.40
youcantcompthis
Like I Definitely think that his numbers are down and I'm definitely not disagreeing with that. But I think part of that is he says on a better team now and actually actually I thought his play's been pretty good like his rebounding's been pretty decent and defensively.. He's been. You know pretty good and. Like a couple of times he hasn't had the assist but it's like the the Tim Duncan Secondary assist stat I Think if they were counting that stat you know he would get a couple of like secondary assists out there. Do you know what? I mean so not that I'm trying to defend Gidey in this sense. But.
54:36.45
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
54:39.91
youcantcompthis
So if we're looking at Giddy the last three months he started at two fifty and and that's so that's actually my recollection of the last time Adam and I touched base with him so he's actually down to 137 at the moment so he was already on a downward slide and then he actually went down to 102 and he's
54:52.23
Matt
Well.
54:59.89
youcantcompthis
You know he's come back a little bit so I mean that's a very quick you know Market reaction I suppose the word isn't it. Yeah yeah.
55:06.21
Matt
Absolutely, it's very dicey like I think if you've got Josh giddy at the moment. Oh it's tough. Yeah I mean you you I don't think you're in a position to buy but it'd either be a hold or a sale at the moment I don't think you can buy.
55:23.62
youcantcompthis
I think you're using the Wanda Franco card and look I know nothing about this this guy at all I think if you're using that as a case study then he's a cell because it's just going to keep going down like if you're looking at the Wada Franco and I I'm just being objective here. You know I'm not holding any giddy literally at all.
55:24.55
Matt
Ah, monument at all.
55:29.57
Matt
Yeah, yes.
55:43.30
Matt
Same on the exact same. Ah yeah, and ah I still think yeah you know like whilst we compared Ben Simmons to Josh Gidty there are still massive massive Josh Gidty supporters and I think even if he's guilty or not there will be. Supporters of him because going through the chat groupsps and lots sort of stuff. Yeah people going through it and debating it and yeah, just reading a few things I think no matter what happens he will have supporters. So. That's why I think even yeah with his card prices going down if he is guilty or anything like that. Don't think it will be as drastic as like a Wanda Franco I think it will probably be minimized because of the aussies. Um, but yeah, that's more my thinking.
56:19.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, that's that's totally fine. So I was actually going through the notes from the last time that you came on and I found this question from Andrew Hewitt talk about how zion and Patrick Williams are great investments going into next season. So essentially we've had twelve months to to see how this would play out where are you at with zion and where are you at with Pat Williams
56:44.93
Matt
I love how he led that question with talk how about how they are great investments not ah, are they good investments sort of thing. So it's more like he's trying to make us reinforce what he's saying yeah I like it um look with Patrick Williams ah I mean we.
56:49.91
youcantcompthis
Ah, yeah, yeah, that's right that was a leading like statement wasn't it. Yeah yeah.
57:01.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
57:01.98
Matt
I know you've been high on him I've been high on him at various times very disappointing as season and I think he's averaging like 6 points a game. Um, but I think he's someone that could probably flourish on ah on a new team I'm I'm not sure the balls are the greatest at developing their players. Um, you know they've had. Key players leave their teams cle their team in the last few seasons they have Larry Market and is obviously an all-star at the moment when Del Carta Juniorr even I like Daniel Gaffford as well. Um I think one of the big things as well obviously has been the front office as well. Um, the vooch trade for when Del Carta jr
57:34.36
youcantcompthis
That is going to go down as one of the worst trades like in history honestly that is going to wash them so bad. Yeah.
57:37.68
Matt
I mean that and it's um.
57:40.82
Matt
That in itself like would I do vuch for when Del Carta Junior I probably would maybe may I don't know just just for them to yeah, maybe but probably not for me because I do like when Del Carta iss probably just a little bit injured too much. But yeah.
57:51.71
youcantcompthis
No, but the bulls gave up like a bunch of assets. You know to a guy and their whole idea was to get to the playoffs which you know they didn't do anyway and now now the magic of got this young prospect who's actually becoming like a very decent player and then you're paying this guy. What.
57:59.95
Matt
So didn't work. Yeah, and then. So yeah, and then one of the first round.
58:10.15
youcantcompthis
$25000000 a year on ah average to I actually think that this year's version of the houston rockets I am so like watching the bulls for me is so difficult I I really think they're going to blow this team up and if they get to the end of the year without making a trade I'm going to be shocked.
58:27.42
Matt
And yeah, and then even the first round pick that they gave to the magic was Franz Wagner so
58:30.95
youcantcompthis
That is that is ridiculous like I'm just getting aggravated like the more you're talking about this.
58:38.32
Matt
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know I Just think that's ah yeah I don't know the front office development all that sort of stuff. So I think pay will probably could use yeah could could side fresh on the team.
58:42.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
58:52.43
Matt
In terms of zion I haven't watched too much of the pelicans this season. But obviously the puans are a better team when he's playing. Um, so.
58:55.50
youcantcompthis
So so hang on a second buy hold sell Patrick Williams at the moment. So raw silvers are selling for a dollar ninety four usd
59:02.28
Matt
I don't know what his prices are but like if they're that I I mean ah I'm i' a mass um a macesan and buying really really low. So if you risk if you're risking one or two dollars I would buy that if you're a Patrick Williams believer I if
59:11.37
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
59:21.42
Matt
Going with me What would I do I probably wouldn't buy I think I'm off him Unfortunately, um.
59:28.21
youcantcompthis
He's 22 years of age. He's only 22 years of age because I think that's the thing that we we do need to like sort of you know, recalibrate a little bit. He he came into the league really young. So he's 22 and he's already been in the league for 3 years yeah and
59:44.12
Matt
That true but ah.
59:44.42
youcantcompthis
I think he's on it and we've already touched you've already touched this. We both have they're being mismanaged. You know, grossly he's stuck behind de rose and and Levine I think that's the thing and I feel like if they clear that logjam one of those 2 guys then they'll be forced to give him you know a lot more responsibility and that's sort of.
59:49.34
Matt
Yeah, so.
01:00:03.46
youcantcompthis
What I'm waiting to see happen. Yeah yeah.
01:00:04.93
Matt
And absolutely I think I'll be very interesting like even you when was drafted I remember when he got drafted people were quite shocked because the bulls felt like people people felt like the bulls had reached for him So ah like I sort of remember that going back to his draft class. But yeah I look I'd love to see him.
01:00:14.71
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, a hundred percent that was exactly the narrative. Yeah yeah, yeah.
01:00:24.24
Matt
Large I Also think he's very timid. Um, so we'll see if he has a bit more aggressiveness and he shot selection all that sort of stuff. Yeah, how these stats will go but I just probably wouldn't spend my money on peewheel. Oh yeah, if you if you're happy to go value hunting all lots of the stuff. It's not a bad buy. But um, yeah.
01:00:36.40
youcantcompthis
No, no, no definitely I definitely want your opinion so you're out on pee wheels. That's that's totally fine. So talk to me about someone on the bulls that you would block. So I think actually there is some interesting plays here. So Kobe Wat is one I think you you know we should at least mention because his prices are just like down to nothing.
01:00:50.67
Matt
So we'd have to pull up the ah.
01:00:55.87
youcantcompthis
And then the other one who I'm quite high on is is ago I think he's ah actually quite an interesting prospect.
01:01:04.39
Matt
I was never a a kobe white person. Um, like if you guys go back to his rookie season. He had a February which was ridiculous and he was he could have been the third highest player in terms of his card prizes behind your design new jars.
01:01:06.19
youcantcompthis
Yep.
01:01:19.88
Matt
It was absolutely ridiculous. He was averaging like 20 points a game just before he was actually the person when the nba lockout happened because of the um, the story of the shutdown when the shutdown happened everyone wanted Kobe wide stuff because the 5 or 6 games leading into the shutdown. He averaged like 25 points a game and then.
01:01:28.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:38.86
Matt
People had seen that the lot the shutdown happened and everyone was like I want Koby white. So I still remember that very well. But for me at oh honestly I think his peak up is like a 6 man. Um.
01:01:40.94
youcantcompthis
So that and also how many times these cards were sent to psa like he is I'll try and pull that up now because it's insane. Yeah.
01:01:54.12
youcantcompthis
So actually this is kind of funny so his base PS a 10 is the population's 13000 and it's currently trading for $5 and sixty one cents ah the silver has got 1600 is currently trading for twenty three bucks
01:02:05.99
Matt
Wow Um, look ah so.
01:02:13.82
Matt
Look honestly when I look at I'm looking at the ross right now. There's not anyone that's jumping out to me I don't mind ao as well I think he just had a really good Ricky season because he's a little bit older than everyone but um, look ar I don't mind lonzo if you if if he's come down a lot I don't mind him. But again.
01:02:17.81
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.
01:02:21.48
youcantcompthis
Okay, no, that's fine.
01:02:29.12
youcantcompthis
I Think he's done man. That's it like no seriously I think he's he's done. Yeah, there's the sort of the word on the street is that those knees are you know, never gonna be playing basketball again. Yeah yeah, no, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah.
01:02:31.18
Matt
Will you come back on the court. Yeah yeah, that's. Yeah, so I don't know I don't really think there's anyone the bulls that appeals to me and I think that's just more more. The team itself being being managed by by by that front office I don't think there's any anyone I'd want to really go for I wouldn't trust them.
01:02:54.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay, zion talk to me about zion.
01:02:58.83
Matt
Ah z I don't really watched the plugans too much. But yeah like I was saying before the paans are a better team when zion plays last season when yeah, the whole team was functioning. They were number on the east for a fair bit and then zion got injured and did they end up missing the playoffs in the end I can't remember making the 8 seed.
01:03:13.89
youcantcompthis
They made the plane and then they went knocked down. Yes.
01:03:17.24
Matt
Um, so.
01:03:22.43
Matt
so yeah so I haven've been watching z and all the puans and I'll be honest, but I like him I think he's an he's an all-time player if he gets his body right? Um, you know, potentially you might to go vegan for a year or so something allowed. We have to work something out on his diet. Um, but. Yeah, no I think he's an all-time player if if his body's right and he's able to get on the court and stand the court. Honestly.
01:03:41.83
youcantcompthis
Do you know the feeling I'm getting about zion now is that because I was an absolute zone optimist I feel like we're gonna be saying this for the next twelve years he's gonna be good when he gets his body right and he gets his diet right? like I just feel like we've said that so many times now that I'm almost like.
01:03:48.76
Matt
E.
01:04:01.79
youcantcompthis
Maybe this is who he is.
01:04:05.12
Matt
Yeah, and look again I'm not vegan but did see that Chris Paul um turned vegan over the last few seasons and it's helped add to his career. Yeah, so it's helped add to their career. He slimmed down a little bit so you know has to go. He can all stop me all that or just.
01:04:09.52
youcantcompthis
Steve Nash was too. Yeah.
01:04:23.10
Matt
Ah, don't know. Yeah obviously loves whatever they have in Louis Louisiana a fair bit. So yeah.
01:04:25.20
youcantcompthis
Listening to what he does in his private life. It doesn't seem like he's the type of dude that will be going vegan and doing yoga and stuff man.
01:04:37.95
Matt
I've always jokekd about it with James Harden as longm like on when James Harden goes vegan. It's going to be a whole different ball gameme. But again, that's just my own inside joke I don't know by oneever a delight workss to you. And I'm not traumatized by James Hard and he can do what he wants as well. I've mentioned it a fair bit already. Not not.
01:04:50.39
youcantcompthis
Okay, so your advice to clippers fans is don't worry, you're not going to be long term traumatized so zion is currently trading at four hundred and sixty usd for a silver psa 10 buy hold sell.
01:05:05.78
Matt
So wow um, probably solve I think the silvers there just so many silver that year I would want an auto or a numbered card. Honestly.
01:05:16.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all righty so we're pretty much at the hour Mark did you want to do 1 more buy hold and sell or do you want to just sign us off all right? cool.
01:05:25.30
Matt
Oh you can do well more if you want I don't know whoever you're thinking.
01:05:30.52
youcantcompthis
Just put down a little time marker for that I'm just gonna click on that link.
01:05:48.19
youcantcompthis
Is anyone you want to talk about.
01:05:51.78
Matt
Now you can pick on and I'll go along with you. Oh actually I wouldn't mind it I think Trayang is interesting.
01:05:59.57
youcantcompthis
all right all right cool so the last play we're gonna talk about in tonight's episode is trey young so the hawks for me have been interesting for 2 reasons they basically. Gave up on John Collins for nothing and I'm still a little bit perplexed by why they did that because I think even if they wanted to unload him. They should have been able to get something more back than just what they got back for him but moving that aside that. Is now a little bit clear in my mind with the emergence of Jaylen Johnson I think that kid has been playing really excellent basketball and I think a little bit the same as shengoon I think he's got obviously he's not the same type of body type. But I think he is a modern Mba player. In the sense that he's a big body. He really can run the floor and he can do a little bit of everything in terms of rebounding dribbling the ball and I need to really moderate the way I say this but he almost reminds me of Lebron james body type in a way in the way that he can take the ball off and you know really run with it sometimes quite quickly. It doesn't have any of the other skill set that lebron has but just that 1 thing so I look I'm quite interested in the hawks for that reason.
01:07:30.51
youcantcompthis
And then the rest of the roster again still makes just no sense to me at all. So the fact that you want to talk about trey young I definitely want to hear about this because I still don't really know you know what is going on in Atlanta and and yeah, so where are you at with the hawks.
01:07:47.00
Matt
So ah look I don't really actually haven't been following the hawks too much I've been following more trayons prices. So um, yeah I'm not a massive tray young person. Um obviously sports kind of investor is because he's from Atlanta there's a lot of hype about him a lot of comparisons to Luka.
01:07:49.39
youcantcompthis
Okay, okay, so that's totally fine man talk about that? Yeah yeah.
01:08:04.76
youcantcompthis
The only thing that you can talk about trey young and Luca in the same sentence is they'll trade it for each other that's it. Do you know what? I mean like I I don't think there's any comparison to those 2 guys at all what what? like? what's the comparison.
01:08:04.98
Matt
Same draft class tread for each other all that sort of stuff.
01:08:11.79
Matt
So.
01:08:18.45
Matt
I think it was just people were thinking like Trey was undervalued. He was putting up 30 points a game almost 10 assist games like why isn't he getting the hobby love that sort of stuff. Um, but I think you can look at the shooting numbers. He's just a chuck I don't know I don't want to say chuck a but he's just he just putting up. Low percentage shots and he's averaging on the 40% game at the moment which is not great. Um, yeah, it hasn't really been a high percentage shooter throughout his whole career. Um look the reason I wanted to talk about his prices more. So is I think. Tracking his autos because I have sold a couple over the last six months I think his prices are very inflated at the moment I would be trying to sell if you can um, but I don't know if you can because a lot of the orders that I go to on one thirty point Dot Com are just massively shield at the moment. So. I don't know again, it's we're going into ethics here as well. Like should you be selling a card of the price which is obviously shield it's it's high I think his price is when you compare him to a player like ad Jason Tatum um yeah a shay Gilbert Alexander I think his prices are way too high. So um, his.
01:09:31.71
Matt
Yeah I don't know if you if you pull up some of these card products his autos I think they're pretty ridiculous to compare and look out.
01:09:36.85
youcantcompthis
So I think I'm going to break down what you just said that into 2 parts. So I think one part is trey young is overpriced and the other part is that there's potentially a group of people out there who have invested very heavily into trey young and they're. Shilling up his cards to protect their investment is that is that a reasonable thing to to say yeah and I think that if you then break that down further and say well I actually can't control the shield bidding I'm going to put in 1 single bid.
01:09:59.10
Matt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:14.70
youcantcompthis
And that's the price that I want to pay for my card and if I miss out on it then I miss out and I'm going to move on with in mind that maybe the prices that are happy at the moment is derived from shilling and it's actually not his true value. So I think that's like the way I'm going to like pass that out. Then the second thing for me is where does trey young fit into the all time players list and if you then compare tray young rookie cards to say like what's ah, what's a reasonable comparison for a point guard of that same skill set I know Kevin Johnson
01:10:51.89
youcantcompthis
Who originally played for the Cleveland cavaliers and then was very famous playing with Charles Barkley I know their games are 2 completely different games. But Kevin Johnson's actually not in the hall of fame I don't see any scenario where trey young ends in the hall of fame.
01:11:03.47
Matt
So.
01:11:10.10
Matt
So I can see getting in there just based off statistics and I just think it's very easy to get into Hall fame but it is is a winning player though. That's I think I think of Trey Young but ah, don't know I.
01:11:17.10
youcantcompthis
Um, well Kevin Johnson started the whole affair.
01:11:27.20
Matt
Pulled up a couple listings here just looking at his yeah his prism um prism auto appears a 9 this isn't even the silver seven hundred and fifty Five dollars us this is just the base auto as well. And yeah, you look at the the bidders. They're all private. Um, yeah, and then another one here. Obsidian rpa out of 50 bgs nine going for $1080 us like.
01:11:48.28
youcantcompthis
So carsset. So we've already spoke about on the show about Prism Autos like they're not really that collectible people don't buy prism for the autos and then Obsidian is what of a C grade set Maybe a D grade set actually at best by the time you get through Flawless N T impeccable.
01:11:57.29
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
01:12:07.55
youcantcompthis
Select Noir you know it's sitting down with that sort of it's not that far away from Flux really.
01:12:15.58
Matt
Yeah, um I would just be very weary again if you're trying to if you're trying to buy his stars just know that? yeah potentially in a year or 2 Yeah, whether they stop shilling and all all these sort of stuff that there's potentially ah a chance for you to lose 50 to 60% just like that like.
01:12:29.95
youcantcompthis
Well particularly if they're shielding their own cards up too men like if they're in a group and they're working together to show these cards up then you could potentially lose more because they're not going to be then buying those cards back.
01:12:32.00
Matt
And even I was just reading um because I was I.
01:12:40.29
Matt
So yeah and I was even just reading because you you limp me this post of the buy hold sell and Johnno's Jo Michaels who's obviously you big in the card community. He's said himself you trey young his prices on lots of the desired current day insets are relatively high compared to other players of the same ilk kabums.
01:12:55.48
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yes.
01:12:59.60
Matt
Blank slates et cetera so I mean if he's noticing it as well. There's something going on out there but it's hard to work out who's behind this all, but it's definitely something It's it. It's a trend I've notice over the last I'd say four to five months so I would just be very very weary when it comes to trey young if you're wanting to buy him and if you have his cards and you want to sell it I get I don't know the ethics behind all this you know because it's obviously not their fault that it's being shield but I'd be trying to offload it honestly, it's not going to stay that high. Considering his play as well.
01:13:34.46
youcantcompthis
Is there any like high fluctuations where that just say you list your tray young car but that doesn't get shield up or is this group just shilling up every single tray young at the moment.
01:13:49.16
Matt
Ah, so I'm looking now there are some that have so they have some that have ended like ah so that that exact same prison peers a 9 Ah I don't think this one shield but it ended at $280 so 750 I think we said before to.
01:14:04.96
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, would that fit that narrative though.
01:14:06.20
Matt
280 it's a huge drop off and then you know you get someone who yeah but I think when I was looking at it four or five months ago it was almost every card was being shelled because I had a card that was being consigned and it got re-listed and um, maybe five six times because it was just getting shieldlled and. Um, yeah, which is ridiculous but eventually got paid. So I got lucky in the end. Um, but yeah I mean like look at that. that's ah that's ah like what two hundred seven seventy fifty to two eighty it' a huge drop-off and all it takes is 1 person to yeah, put up a specific comp and just be like ah this sold from seven hundred and twenty bucks I'm going to sell on the comps at five hundred and fifty dollars us but really go for two hundred and eighty dollars so you're already losing two hundred and seventy dollars there so I think you still be very careful with try young. Do your research, don't just don't just go in and just rely on someone being like oh I'm selling this 20% on the comps like it's a great deal like actually try and see if these action were shield and see if you can find another comparison of.
01:14:44.80
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.
01:14:57.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:03.31
youcantcompthis
I Look I think that's a fantastic take and and like frankly very wise words and I think just a very practical way to stay happy in the hobby.
01:15:03.43
Matt
Ah car that's not shelled So that's what I'd probably say.
01:15:20.60
youcantcompthis
Final thoughts with tonight Matt.
01:15:21.92
Matt
No, no, no final thoughts. Um, thanks for having me on. Go check me out all my socials Matt's card shop Matt's card shop Matt's card case I'm working on that. But if you want to stay updated on the case release. Yeah, we'll we'll hopefully start.
01:15:24.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, drop his social handles man like don't be sure.
01:15:41.45
Matt
Packaging and setting them out very soon. But yeah, know in worst case, you can just best me on my own ma hard shop inside. It's hard to to run multiple instagrams. It's top of my my actual personal one at the moment I probably working on the Youtube channel probably the most at the moment so I would appreciate if you go check it out. But yeah.
01:15:56.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's absolutely our pleasure man. So everyone thank you so much for listening and we really appreciate all of your support and have a fantastic day. That's the end but don't close your browser.
01:15:57.60
Matt
And appreciate you having me on as always.
01:16:13.99
Matt
Okay, so.
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youcantcompthis
Because what happens is it records like.