Episode 126: Donruss No Auto, The 10, Prizm, Hoops, Luka's 73, Caitlin's 78k

Adam is back; and we chew through the Donruss Next Day  'No Auto'
- Prizm Dropped early
- Hoops is out: Manga cards, Sheesh  insert
-  The 10
- Luka's 73 & Embiid's 70 point games
- Caitlin Clarke 1/1  Record sale of 78k 

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00:00.30
Adz
And so that.

00:12.26
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 126 of the you can't comp this Mba trading card podcast. We are your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson we are both in the same country again.

00:26.33
youcantcompthis
Who I yeah, it's probably a good place to start isn't say thank you to John O Matt Tabe and of course Ross for coming down. It was a heap of fun.

00:30.19
Adz
You've been back for a week yeah you had a chat with a few of our friends last week

00:44.91
youcantcompthis
Definitely missed you ad but at the same time. Ah, those guys held the fort I Think that's the correct term isn't it.

00:49.18
Adz
They did They did that was it was really good I had a listen. It was a lot of fun and yeah, thanks guys that was I always when I when I do miss an episode like that I do want to ah and hope to to to chat with them again when when I'm.

01:03.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely look and a few people have had a listen to be honest, the the download stats on those episodes have been great. So I think they've been you know, really well received. So so guys. Thank you so much for coming in. We really appreciated it.

01:04.40
Adz
Up and about So yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on in the league at the moment.

01:19.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah I don't think we need to talk about the weather today. Do we but it's delicious, but.

01:22.98
Adz
No, although the weather was lovely. Um, but but yes, ah what? what do you want to start with like we are spoilt for choice this week

01:33.70
youcantcompthis
So for me this is a non-negotiable. We have to talk about the wemb be next day non-or because ah this is something that I feel like I've been a penini apologist or I've been an Opinioni defender for like a very long time but this is something that.

01:50.65
youcantcompthis
Is really challenging me and my devotion to panini I think that's the best way to say it. You know you know there's like people that fall off the hobby and they're like the straw that broke the Camel's back was this prism blaster box that I bought and all the cards were off cut at ° like that's it I'm not giving.

01:54.57
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.

02:09.85
youcantcompthis
Company and other you know sent my money. You know that's it I'm I'm actually almost feeling it inside myself that how much how much more can go on how much more can go when am I going to say enough's enough. Why.

02:21.18
Adz
I don't know I I feel like um I'm gonna I'm gonna put my parenting um try trying to put some parenting skills into this and be I'm not angry I'm just disappointed and panini should feel really terrible about this. Um. For those that that aren't in the know. Ah there's there's some of ah I think that they're 1 of our favorite cards from from the rookie classes. Um, certainly one of the first cards when we talk rookie autographs that you go to and it's the the Don Russ

02:56.13
youcantcompthis
Like I just went into a rant didn't I didn't really lay much background. Yeah so yeah, look for people at home that aren't aware the next day Autograph is the first on card autograph and essentially it's the reason why you rip donrass like Don Russ is nice. It's a cool product. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to talk it down. But.

02:56.71
Adz
Ah, next day Auto nope.

03:05.11
Adz
Um, yeah, literally. Yeah.

03:15.64
youcantcompthis
The thing that you want to open it for is the next day Autograph so I think to follow that on just to add a bit of you know more relevant information. It's not just wembbaarda. That's not signing in it. So it's Scoot Henderson which is you know a really important look up. For me Scoot Henderson is important because if you're not going to spend the big bucks in Webaardana where where is the second best place to put your money so you know there's a really strong argument that you know scoot is there. Brandon Miller is also not signed and then we're talking about this name pronunciation off- air but Jamie.

03:39.58
Adz
Um, ah yep.

03:48.84
youcantcompthis
Hakes from the Miami heat who's been playing some insane basketball and it'd be. It'd be awesome to have this guy's autograph, he's also a non-autograph. So I think the political history of that of this though is this is a fanatics move so all of these guys have signed with fanatics and we're just.

03:50.73
Adz
Um, yeah for sure. Yeah.

04:06.77
youcantcompthis
Literally in a holding pattern now until we see their autographs in pro-uniform products like.

04:08.68
Adz
In yeah, my question is though and this is purely an aesthetic thing. This is like I'm not going to go on a giant like tirade about this but the the fact that it's written on the card.

04:26.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, non order is the exact wording. Yeah.

04:26.58
Adz
It says no autograph um why is it in the print run if they don't They don't have the the player's autograph, don't put the player in the checklist like it's could you imagine and imagine opening a blank slate.

04:37.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like.

04:44.33
Adz
That says this page this is blank.

04:45.37
youcantcompthis
So look.

04:50.36
Adz
Like just don't put the auto there. It's a blank card. What it's a blank slate of we banana anyway.

04:51.48
youcantcompthis
Just a card with nothing on it. You know.

05:00.80
youcantcompthis
Look I think to answer your question look. They're not case hits but you know there's what 2 or 3 of them per case if they didn't have all of these cards. They they took them out. You know what would happen to their print run then.

05:15.85
Adz
But they knew they weren't negotiating when Benana's deal when they put these to print.

05:18.69
youcantcompthis
So that look that's yeah.

05:26.20
youcantcompthis
I Mean who knows when all of this like goes on and happens like or clearly they knew the guy wasn't going to sign with them.

05:35.45
Adz
Um, like it was printed with a printing that says no autograph so they knew that there wasn't going to be an autograph. So why bother with it in the checklist.

05:45.88
youcantcompthis
Look I think for that and in terms of Collectibility. There are still people paying you know money for these cards I was checking one out on ebay one went for two hundred and eighty usd I personally think that's probably a bit of an overpay and that two eighty could be you know, better spent on something else.

05:52.73
Adz
Of course. Um.

06:02.72
Adz
Show.

06:05.20
youcantcompthis
But at the same time too. People are hungry for this guy people are wanting to chase this guy people want to put him into their collections. You know I'm actually not going to poo-poo you know people getting excited and going out buying some product. The thing that has been really going through my head is. If you're buying to brakes now the mia me heat and not that appealing like to me Portland Trailblazers aren't that appealing the hornets aren't that appealing the spurs aren't that appealing. So that's that part of it and the other part too is how are people pricing these breaks out because I haven't seen.

06:23.56
Adz
A.

06:38.52
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

06:42.37
youcantcompthis
Anything that says that the prices have been adjusted for the non-autograph cards like so so far just like 1 price that I saw look I think the spurs were three hundred odd dollars and then you know all the rest of the teams are in that sort of like 50 to $70 range so

06:45.46
Adz
Yeah.

06:51.94
Adz
E.

06:58.94
youcantcompthis
You know what? I mean like you're not getting a discount because he's not signing in the product either. Yeah.

07:02.30
Adz
Though not at all, not at all. Yeah, it's interesting I I still don't get that so I'm going to go back a couple of weeks to when you were talking about people maliciously eba listing like putting 1 of 1 in their ah title. What do we put this as.

07:18.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, so actually it's funny. You brought that up because I saw someone on social media put up that in their listing they wrote non- autotograph and Ebay took it down because it was a manipulation listing.

07:20.59
Adz
Because the series is It's a next day auto.

07:34.20
Adz
They listen to that episode you see.

07:36.28
youcantcompthis
Right? Oh you have got to be joking so you're trying to tell me that writing non-autograph is manipulation but writing ebay one of 1 is not oh man, this podcast I'm gonna rage quit in about 2 minutes I can feel it actually we're gonna do 2 hours tonight Adam um.

07:46.15
Adz
Double trigger alert for Russell in the opening segment. Ah, we're gonna open with this on the ducket where we're in trouble we're in trouble. No, that's yeah I don't think like.

07:55.26
youcantcompthis
I Can't promise anything? yeah.

08:03.64
Adz
Don't want to to harp on it too much I Just think the idea of this Non- Auto is pretty farcical Honestly, that's um, if you don't have an autograph. It's just a normal card.

08:13.30
youcantcompthis
So look I think what you and I'm I'm saying the Royal you here you really need to prepare yourself that this is going to be going through all the products. So think about it.

08:17.93
Adz
Oh.

08:23.87
Adz
So everybody is going to be able to like counterfeit when Benjaana's autograph which is just a stamp that says no. Autograph.

08:27.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like Hoops Prism Imac Origins National Treasures flawless on and on and on if they do an eminence in this year which I think they're just about duke.

08:37.37
Adz
Have they if they realized how easy it is to to replicate like to fraud it like to to counterfeit this autograph that says no autograph almost copy and paste. Can you tell if it's sticker or on card. The next day auto so it's clearly on card that they've printed that so a sticker that says no autograph ah ah I want to get those stickers made now.

08:58.83
youcantcompthis
That would be funny right? If that was a sticker that said, no autograph that would be delicious. Ah.

09:08.40
youcantcompthis
So just the aesthetics of that card. Let's just let's just take a step back for 2 seconds what do you think about it like.

09:15.77
Adz
I Get flashbacks to all of the paperwork. The formal paper paperwork I've read that says this page is blank. There's no need to write? No autograph there if someone hasn't signed it. There's no need to write? No autograph it's not a misprint.

09:24.41
youcantcompthis
Like yeah.

09:33.66
Adz
The guy didn't sign it.

09:34.18
youcantcompthis
I Do find it a little bit annoying sometimes in the world where there's too much like red tape and too much paperwork and I I think that definitely fits into that sort of mindset for me too I find that my eyes are drawn to the no autograph part as opposed to the actual aesthetics of the card because actually I don't.

09:49.66
Adz
That.

09:53.11
youcantcompthis
I Don't mind the design of the card I Think if that did have an auto of graph there that would be quite a nice card. But.

09:59.26
Adz
I'm still waiting I'm still waiting for the neck that the print run where it's got a blank state. It's got a picture of Victor Win Benjaana says Victor Win benana this slate is blank.

10:08.21
youcantcompthis
Um, I mean I mean all jokes aside right? That's a non autotograph card. Actually maybe his's blank Slate is gonna go like like.

10:12.94
Adz
Correct but it's a blank slate. You've got to make sure it's noted that it's blank apparently but we let we living in a new age could boom indeed all right.

10:24.30
youcantcompthis
And he's kaboom. That's gonna be wild all right final thoughts on this before we move on I can't really talk about this too much more to be honest, um I'm a little bit done.

10:34.29
Adz
Yep, no I'm I'm I'm good I'm I'm comfortable with the fact that I think that I might have to practice counterfeiting that autograph because I reckon writing No autograph on stuff is I come on? Yeah I feel like panini arenercising Common sense. Are a bit annoyed that they could. They don't have you their autographs I feel like it's poorly managed I Just see all that's poor poorly managed.

10:55.18
youcantcompthis
Do you reckon I I know John Ohary's hard John Omichaels is going to be like nodding his head and agreeing with you at the moment I wonder if the logistics of it though is that if they left it blank people would send it in St Louis and error card and. Just them answering all those calls and posting it backwards is gonna be too much fuss for them so they're like look we'll close that loophole. No, autograph then we're not gonna get people sending the cards in asking us to fix it. Are you think just you think just take it out altogether.

11:22.33
Adz
If they don't print the card in the first place knowing that he's not going to sign them shouldn't be in the checklist if he's not signing. What's the point.

11:32.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah I think the yeah the point is just to pat out their print run. Yeah, so actually this is my final thought on this.

11:37.61
Adz
Make a special rookie set that doesn't have autographs in it.

11:49.40
youcantcompthis
The 4 people that I did identify as not signing. That's not a complete list. That's that's just what i've.

11:53.37
Adz
Yeah, oh we know we know there's there are this is the the forming of the the camps effectively. The the camp Fanatics Camp Panini Camp I'm not sure yet.

12:00.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, fanatic.

12:07.23
youcantcompthis
So that for me, it's gonna be quite interesting to like to see you know who else hasn't signed because ah I doubt it's just 4 people that haven't signed all right prism prism dropped prism dropped early so I reached out to a couple of people I got one answer that was.

12:11.80
Adz
Um, yeah, Prism dropped early.

12:24.64
youcantcompthis
Frankly, not that good, but it was probably the best answer that I got the source would like to remain anonymous. There's nothing really that being crazy being said, but he still preferred to be anon. He basically said that Wal-mart did the wrong thing they made a mistake they dropped it early. There will be a financial penalty that goes along with that. But then.

12:37.58
Adz
Um.

12:42.16
Adz
Yep.

12:43.22
youcantcompthis
Basically, there's a lot out in the wild. So essentially it's dropped early I was watching a Youtube video in preparation of today's episode at run good life. He actually does some pretty wholesome chat banter with himself put some video clips and cut some scenes in there and he rips and packs he he's. Words were available for some reason so I think that that sort of just backs up what anon said to me, you know they stupidly did it? Yeah so I think the thing really to talk about though with the prism cards is the the curtain in the background. That's the thing that people are being.

13:06.42
Adz
For some reason.

13:19.22
Adz
Yep.

13:19.65
youcantcompthis
Been generating you know discussion. It's been. You know generating talk and actually do you know what we missed. We dropped that on the last thing ad with the next day Autograph it generates conversational this stuff if you don't put the card in there's nothing to talk about.

13:21.60
Adz
Um, yeah.

13:32.60
Adz
Yet us. True So is that no publicity is good like bad publicity is good. Publicity. Yeah.

13:38.50
youcantcompthis
A lot of people have been talking about this and we've talked about this before all pop. All publicity is good publicity. It doesn't matter what it is you know, even if it's a stinker an absolute stinker at least there's something you know Penini's getting going up on the Twitter rankings right? So where are you at.

13:53.50
Adz
On the Twitter rankings. It is what it is like no but I think it's.

13:56.97
youcantcompthis
Where are you out with the curtain card. Do you like the desire. Do you think it's unusual. They would put a curtain in the background.

14:08.15
Adz
Less unusual that there's a curtain in the background than there's a words. No autograph on on the next day auto like they keep messing with the guy's cards. It's just I don't know like I thought of all cards the panini the prism would be. Where they put the work.

14:26.10
youcantcompthis
Like that's right because it's literally the most important card in terms of liquidity. It's the one that everyone collects.

14:30.17
Adz
Did they did they half start the work and then just couldn't.

14:37.52
youcantcompthis
I got to be honest with you I actually don't mind it. It's not a deal breaker for me. Definitely not so I'm looking at the 2021 prism rookie cut as I speak.

14:45.20
Adz
It's not a deal breaker but it is it Aesthetically, it's just.

14:53.39
Adz
Okay, hang on.

14:57.70
youcantcompthis
It's got the black background and then underlayed or overlaid on top of that. It's got the silver and blue lines I'm looking at a a giddy So that's its color match to him I find that a little bit busy honestly like zion.

15:06.47
Adz
Sure.

15:16.16
youcantcompthis
Was quite nice just this like picture of Zion Silver Border bit of black in the background and I wonder if the curtain is going to more fit into that type of you know style card where I'll end up in the future. So the curtain thing though.

15:17.48
Adz
Dear.

15:35.51
youcantcompthis
From Luke Rowe this is his joke I definitely can't claim it. He called it. Panini's curtain call.

15:40.19
Adz
Oh I like it I like the F Frat The the framing of it That's very good. No no, there's not, there's we're on a budget. We went to a local rec center and they had black curtains.

15:43.68
youcantcompthis
Is there an artistic message here.

15:58.51
youcantcompthis
Ah, you think it's a budget thing.

15:59.34
Adz
No I'm joking. It's just ah, it's ah a it's a bad shot on media day I feel like they've gone through all the media they could and they went oh crap this is can we get another shot of wembby.

16:06.12
youcantcompthis
I actually assumed I actually assumed it would cost them more to photo edit that stuff than with a green screen in the background.

16:13.70
Adz
True. Well it depends like what do you think they've got available to them. Do you know what? I mean.

16:22.72
youcantcompthis
I wouldn't have thought budget was a massive deal for them. Would it.

16:27.59
Adz
No, so why.

16:36.97
Adz
I Feel like it didn't it. It was It was a ah a thought bubble is that the right way. Ah I'm trying to I'm trying to contextualize I feel like it's a thought bubble that's gone wrong like I believe they've just executed it very.

16:41.10
youcantcompthis
Maybe what. Okay.

16:53.95
youcantcompthis
Very like yeah.

16:54.70
Adz
Poorly very lazily I don't think the sort of center stage vibe. They're going for is the way it's come off and I I Really do I feel like it was a.

17:06.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like.

17:10.58
Adz
Center stage like curtains in the background. He's in the middle. It's just him front and center. Um here. Yeah, but it's like it's not a deal breaker for me.

17:13.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah. Okay.

17:23.53
youcantcompthis
No, it's definitely not a deal breaker I Actually think they've been known. Yeah.

17:28.25
Adz
I mean doesn't say this is 100% guaranteed a rookie card and there's not supposed to be an autograph on it. Sure.

17:37.67
youcantcompthis
They've been known to take artistic risks with their products but I would also say to generally the prism design is quite conservative in that you know it's really important that they get it right? So for me this is like actually quite. Ah, large risk in my head that's sort of where I'm going with this look.

17:54.75
Adz
Um, you're right? So you reckon they're risky. They're they're being risky because it's sort of the last hurrah.

18:00.60
youcantcompthis
Look again I don't know anyone that is working for panini and you know does the artwork for them. But it seems to me like they get a lot of creative control these artists because a lot of the stuff that they do is not is not conservative. It's pretty. You know it's pretty some of it's pretty out there. Like we're going to talk about this in a minute with Hoops. They've named an insert card Shesh. You know like it's not doesn't come without risk though. Do you know what? I mean.

18:27.76
Adz
Um, who yeah, get you I get um I'm just putting it up on the on the screen but it's I don't know I Just yeah, it's I feel like it's a cross between.

18:30.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

18:44.36
Adz
We're really gonna have a crack and try and do something new and someone's tapped this person on the shoulder and gone you know fanatics are taking over shortly and it's like ah just leave it how it is there. You go just release it. It's fine.

18:51.61
youcantcompthis
Okay, why? Okay yeah look I haven't seen one in a straight silver yet and I actually think it would look pretty good right? Okay, so let's talk about this at Mikey likes cards.

19:02.60
Adz
I've got the Cracked ice one up on the other than the screen at the moment.

19:08.58
youcantcompthis
Mostly a baseball guy but fortunately able to pull this cracked ice from a few blasters congratulations sir is this an immediate sell or a long-term hold Adam where are you at with this.

19:15.72
Adz
Um.

19:22.49
Adz
Cracked Ice actually more. It's it's wemby.

19:33.89
Adz
Maybe it's a maybe cell but probably long term hold this. This kid is insane. But I think the highest it's gonna be is in the next.

19:45.97
youcantcompthis
I Think it's worth the.

19:51.54
Adz
Few months for a while I feel like it'll do its usual prism big dive where it's worth heaps and heaps and heaps and if he wins rookie the year and then he goes on to be an all-star next year and he does go on the trajectory. He's supposed to then it will. Surpass its current value. But yeah I don't know there is there is a tendency for these cards to to be priced out of existence at this point.

20:18.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah I think at the moment like they're going for quite a bit. Obviously there's hype there. We just spoke about the non-au Don Rust card for selling a lot more than what you'd expect I think the other thing to factor in now too is that this is dropped to four hobby which is a little bit unusual in my mind.

20:22.10
Adz
Oh.

20:31.91
Adz
Yep.

20:35.53
Adz
Very unusual. Normally it's like a month after isn't it at least mm.

20:37.87
youcantcompthis
So so do you play that to your advantage and say actually now's a you know, good time to sell look I think the other thing to you send this to psa and then you hold it. But if you saw any of the stuff that I put up recently do not take any of my advice about which card you should send a Psa or not.

20:48.14
Adz
That's this, there's the psa factor. Um.

20:57.81
youcantcompthis
Ask a professional.

20:59.64
Adz
Um, so to re rephrase my well to reframe my answer. Um if I pull this from a pack I'll probably keep it.

21:04.24
youcantcompthis
Smart.

21:09.69
youcantcompthis
Right? right? white? Yeah, what. Okay, yeah.

21:16.80
Adz
Right? I'll probably hold on to it I'll probably consider getting it graded right? That'll be a consideration I'll yeah I'll ask other people if they think it should be created I Know there's a few people I know yeah someone that does it for a living. Maybe I don't know. Um.

21:29.29
youcantcompthis
That's right someone informed? Um, yeah.

21:36.20
Adz
But yes I if but I'm not buying this so I'm taking the would I sell it straight away out but I'm certainly not going to look to buy it because I think the price is too high. But I think it's it could be worth holding because I think this this player is.

21:46.19
youcantcompthis
What? yeah.

21:54.80
Adz
Has shown some very special stuff early on. Um.

21:55.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's freakishly skilled. He's freakishly big seems to have his head screwed on the right way and once the spurs try and stop losing at.

22:04.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, when the spurs decide to start winning I feel like it's all part of the plan they're pumping development into him. It's great.

22:18.52
youcantcompthis
Um, ah then actually I want to watch some of his games but I put the games on and then I just like turn off I find them quite difficult to watch I've been watching more wembby highlights and Webby games if that makes sense.

22:22.69
Adz
Get an extra pick.

22:31.81
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure for sure. Oh my God How good are they to watch though. It is pretty yeah, it's impressive. Um I want to get myself some prism.

22:33.10
youcantcompthis
Like they're like the anti Okay C for me this season. Yeah, ridiculous final thoughts on Pri ad ah. Are you gonna buy some blasters or some retail.. What's your yeah yeah.

22:50.44
Adz
Yeah I want to get me some retail and and cracks. Um I Really I'm I'm keen I'm I'm very keen I Hope the prices aren't too outlandish. Um I haven't really done much research, but Hobby comes out around my birthday which is next month. So maybe I'll.

23:03.85
youcantcompthis
Maybe birthday present.

23:08.13
Adz
Treat myself to a to a box of retail I'm not getting hot or I don't even know what Hobby with in year with someone like when Bi Yana I can't imagine Hobby being overly cheap and accessible. But yes. I'm definitely keen on the set keen to see some ah so some yeah yeah, yeah.

23:33.25
youcantcompthis
So I'm interested to see what happens with pricing right? So again, we're stepping backwards into Don Russ now but so the year that there was no next day autographs in the product. The price was basically half the year before right? So now next day autos are back I'm saying that with a quotation. So do you sort of say well it's.

23:44.59
Adz
Oh.

23:53.50
youcantcompthis
This year it's gonna be halfway between last year and the year before because there's half the amount of autographs in it or do you say? Actually it's gonna be the same price as last year because the big boy autographs that we're hunting. They're not there so and look my next.

24:04.28
Adz
True True true true.

24:09.71
youcantcompthis
Initial thought was to say the same thing about prism but people don't really buy prism for autographs. In fact, I'd sort of go so far to say is that Prism autographs aren't actually chased. Really, you're looking for the silvers you're looking for the numbered rookie stuff and.

24:22.77
Adz
Here.

24:25.24
youcantcompthis
And while we're on this and you spoke about ripping some retail so this is a sale of Anthony Edwards psa 9 the pink pulsar which is the the retail rip. So if you open a case of prism blasters.

24:36.60
Adz
Um, ah oh.

24:40.30
youcantcompthis
You would get 1 or 2 of the pink puls sales per case so this is like you know what? you'd be hoping for the really the really interesting thing about this for me is and I was talking to someone. My brother came around. We'll ri in some packs we sort of got we got through what we ripped and then we said we should have just bought some singles. So if you bought a case of.

24:43.40
Adz
Like I.

24:51.70
Adz
Yeah.

24:59.96
youcantcompthis
Retail right? to this sold for one thousand two fifty you could genuinely make the argument that am I better off just buying this psa nine and Anthony Edwards number to 42 than going through a whole case. Okay, a whole case doesn't cost twelve fifty but you know where I'm going with this right.

25:02.34
Adz
Yeah.

25:16.84
Adz
Yes, yeah, yeah.

25:19.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, maybe prism's gonna be like that this year just all in the whole just go single hunting look at the big guys.

25:32.80
Adz
Um, that's why I like I do like the retail product or the fact that it's a little bit accessible but you're right? It probably won't be.

25:38.42
youcantcompthis
No I think I think retail will be accessible I'm just saying like you know if you playing the numbers game not that we're talking about ripping a case. Yeah sure of course anyway, very random thought all right and Nba hoops it has dropped. We are definitely talking about this because it is.

25:43.77
Adz
The number. Yeah and it's end timing more than anything.

25:58.45
youcantcompthis
Basically one of the most important products. It's often an introduction to new collectors. It's very price accessible. It has the Jewel autographs in it. So it has a card in there. That's very chaseable and then when you say chaseable you can also say very market- friendly. It goes for a lot of money.

26:05.32
Adz
Um, agreed.

26:09.61
Adz
But.

26:16.50
youcantcompthis
I Think my favorite cards so far is the Manka cards and I've confessed my love to these manga cards already you know in Prism draft. So I don't think this is like a really big secret but look I think it's just a really fun rip.

26:25.20
Adz
Oh.

26:32.75
youcantcompthis
I think the price is going to come down. So if you did want to buy a box for yourself. I will just say hold tight because once Don Russ is out and everyone's got their hands on that. Everyone's got their hands on prism current price is around three hundred three hundred fifty aud for you know a box of hoops I think that will come down. It'll go less than 300 you know at some point pretty soon I think how about you? What have you seen out of hoops and has anything caught your eye that you wanted to maybe pick up a couple and.

26:53.40
Adz
No.

27:01.53
Adz
I and until we chatted before the um before today's show I was I was kind of like it's just hoops. It's just hoops and and.

27:10.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and that's okay to say that.

27:15.84
Adz
That would be I think you you made a very good point about it being a lot of people's first contact with the hobby and it was it was mine I like there's a lot of been a lot of beautiful subsets over the years and the inserts are pretty. They do.

27:20.87
youcantcompthis
Um, definitely.

27:26.41
youcantcompthis
Um, and they put a lot of effort into the inserts and they do it Well So if you're buying it. You'll enjoy it guys like don't you know don't stress about that. It's a good rip. Yeah.

27:35.29
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's um, it's great I Sort of hadn't paid attention to it. But you know what it might be um, might be worth a look this year I don't know couple of couple of cheeky packs I don't know about. Depends. You're right? if the price comes down I might buy myself a box. Um, yeah, yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at.

27:59.54
youcantcompthis
So the road to the finals cards ah numbered cards to get put into these and last year they put this sort of glittery sort of finish on it and they looked fantastic I've I've grabbed a couple of jaryn fox ones. As. I think I've got an Anthony Davis 1 in my collection that I somehow you know got my hands on look I really like those I think again if you like reading the backs of cards. Those cards are also really good just to sit down. The photo is pretty cool. You read the bit on the back.

28:17.56
Adz
Oh.

28:26.28
Adz
Yeah.

28:30.18
youcantcompthis
Numbered cards. There's a couple of thousand of them but still they're numbered. You know what I mean look I Really like it. The shiish insert is the other one that caught my eye this year I think that's kind of a comedy.

28:31.85
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

28:38.51
Adz
Can you can You can You can you spell spell that one for me.

28:44.30
youcantcompthis
I'm pretty sure they spelt it SHEESH literally shesh. Yeah.

28:53.14
Adz
Sheish Both my reaction to the set the the insert name and yeah, interesting. Um.

28:57.79
youcantcompthis
Shaish.

29:06.10
Adz
I haven't seen any of this I'm I'm I'm frantically googling so looking for any blasters and um I'm I'm Goingnna get sidetracked bying um prism retail.

29:17.47
youcantcompthis
These are ago these are ongoing the below cooler bal a one. Ah, that's number to 10 Okay, that's currently the beads up to 30 one us s on that monster fire. Maybe I would call that.

29:27.18
Adz
What's the font. Oh my goodness. This is like a trick if it's a trick or treat like this fit like.

29:35.96
youcantcompthis
Like it free. Yeah.

29:42.21
youcantcompthis
Look They're not selling for much.

29:42.60
Adz
You know how you're supposed to read from the outside in like the the brain recognizes the first and last letter and fills in the blanks I'm doing the opposite and I'm just seeing cheese and take the s and the h off the ends and replace them.

29:48.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

30:00.35
Adz
With it with a c and and e and we've got cheese I want cheese. Oh my I've looked at the I've got the lebron of I've got a link to the Lebron. Um.

30:01.14
youcantcompthis
Are you hungry ad.

30:10.68
youcantcompthis
So a number to 25 lebrons sold for a hundred us like that's interesting to me I wouldn't have predicted that the base wembby sold for 16 She's once's been graded already. They must have paid for the super.

30:22.77
Adz
Jep.

30:28.50
Adz
It's.

30:29.74
youcantcompthis
Duperexpress on that PA 9 sold for 38 look I don't think these are very kle all to be honest and I don't really think there's a flip there like I'm I'm very surprised at these prices. Yeah why? why.

30:38.90
Adz
No I'm I'm that yeah my well a look I suppose this this goes down our our question, our sort of questioning of panini and whether or not they're trying anymore.

30:53.79
youcantcompthis
Well so know.

30:55.43
Adz
If you reckon they were they were they were they were they were throwing they were workshoping this in the in ah in a meeting and it was what are we gonna call it and and the work experience kid went shesh I don't know and they're like that's it She you're in.

31:05.80
youcantcompthis
I reckon I think they were in some legal meeting with fanatics now getting fried and you know the director was like sheish. That's it. Yeah.

31:13.43
Adz
Somebody texted somebody shesh new set put it in hopes. No one will notice.

31:23.42
youcantcompthis
All right I think we've flogged that horse to to death out I think we we move on right? So we've spoken about how is fanatics going to change the hobby how is fanatics going to make the hobby better. What are the things they're going to do to make more collectors come into it. So. Fanatics marketing team. The fanatics brains trusts I've just launched this thing called the 10 so the general gist of it is. There's 10 cards in there if you own one of these 10 cards you will get $10000 in credit I'm sure there's some type of process. You need to like. Jump through to get it done but basically to Tom Brady Autograph a Bowman's best corbby carroll 2018 prism Luka Dontage black one of 1 Bowman Chrome university lebron James Bronnie James Jewel order which has been hit. That was hit on backyard breaks. Of course you afa killium and Bue Super refractor 1 of 1 topps steph curry superractor 1 of 1 from 9 ten twenty twenty three topps chrome update anthony vulp rookie debut patch 1 of 1.

32:20.32
Adz
Yeah.

32:39.35
youcantcompthis
Pinini imac check holggram logom in 1 of 1 which I think is an interesting choice but I'm loving that right now panini Anthony Richardson Black Finnet order 1 of 1 and then the last one is trevorzigrassshieldupper deck the cup.

32:41.57
Adz
And.

32:56.20
youcantcompthis
21 22 so what's your reaction to this ad because I'm I'm loving this.

33:07.85
Adz
I don't I don't know if. Yeah I'm I'm not sure I like it but is it creating not a false economy. it's it's it's it's it's actually putting a very finite value on these cards. What was the Luca.

33:30.29
youcantcompthis
No, so you still get to keep the card.

33:34.82
Adz
A what? So you just get congratulations. You've got that card here's an extra 10 grand. What's why.

33:37.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, why. Well look I don't.

33:45.16
Adz
My only question is what what's the hook. What's the catch.

33:50.62
youcantcompthis
Marketing so look over the years people have done bounties David Adams ah I would say they're probably the most famous private company that have run bounties and people talk about bounties people like bounties.

33:57.50
Adz
Show show.

34:05.11
Adz
Um, well can I What's the.

34:09.86
youcantcompthis
There was a breako I should know this off the top of my head so in the last six months it might have been shine that put the bounty out he wanted the luca 1 of 1 and his theory was that it hadn't been ripped.

34:15.63
Adz
Oh.

34:24.94
Adz
Cho.

34:27.30
youcantcompthis
And then breakers were going through a lot more of it Artery did the bounty and that's part of it too. You know it generates sales.

34:33.67
Adz
Okay.

34:36.88
youcantcompthis
And so I suspect part of this too is this list will evolve over time I think this list will either change or it will grow and then you can use that to basically you know, get more people in.

34:49.00
Adz
Ah.

34:51.69
Adz
Yeah, that's true. It's an interesting concept.

34:57.32
youcantcompthis
So that's my positive spin on it. The negative spin though is does it create more of a gambling angle.

35:05.46
Adz
That's where my head was going like I.

35:07.42
youcantcompthis
Which if we're being transparent about this conversation is already there when you're talking about breaking and opening boxes and the luck component and Yada Yada Yada This just adds and you know an extra of yeah.

35:13.48
Adz
Sure.

35:20.68
Adz
Another layer. Ah like I think it's layered when you think about it. Um.

35:32.91
youcantcompthis
I'll say this so it really helps you. This list is a really good guide for what's collectible. There's so many cards out there. There's so many base cards Inserts Autographs Oh I've got no idea it literally is.

35:43.21
Adz
How often do you? How often does it change. There's my question how often.

35:50.74
youcantcompthis
This this hasn't been out for more than a week three days ago this this came live. So.

35:55.47
Adz
I Just I feel like the prize doesn't make sense.

36:02.85
youcantcompthis
As in it's too good to be true.

36:06.87
Adz
No, but ah the reason I ask why is because I have a card. It's on a special list that fanatics have got I show fanatics I've got the card. They give me 10 grand in credit.

36:24.14
Adz
Like there's not. There's no spectacle about it I feel like there's a missing piece to the benefit of running a promotion like this.

36:37.72
youcantcompthis
So I think it generates conversation so sports sports cards nonsense beat us to this story. You know, two days ago

36:42.97
Adz
Sure so does putting no autograph on a card. But yeah I'll be curious to know what they said I haven't haven't haven't listened to them much this year yeah

36:51.52
youcantcompthis
Know I deliberately didn't listen because I knew we're going to be talking about this I can't wait to hear what they talked about but they've spoken about it. It's on sports card investor on Instagram I'm sure he'll talk about on his you know video shows and all that type of stuff in terms of the marketing of it to. We've been told that ags are going to do more advertising and do more marketing I'm sure that they could somehow slip in that there's a $10000 bounty in all these cards. The other thing that's kind of clever too. If you think about. It's not just basketball like they've covered soccer. They've covered f one. They've covered.

37:24.12
Adz
Okay, okay, might.

37:26.88
youcantcompthis
Ice Hockey one.

37:34.12
Adz
Ah, is a product that hasn't been opened yet.

37:34.53
youcantcompthis
So that's that was my last like theory and point to so for example, the luca there is some thought that actually it is out and someone owns it and they don't want to be public about it is $10000

37:48.42
Adz
So they're offering 10 grand to get them to take a photo of it. Ah.

37:51.11
youcantcompthis
$10000 enough for you to bring it out of your votet and then shine can start hassling you vi dm every day you know? yeah like that's that's his rookie correct. Yeah.

37:55.85
Adz
Isn't there like a $2000000 bounty on the card. Because this the Luka rookie right? The black that? Yeah, so it's the one that that everyone's that made the joke and said this could have even come out of retail that year

38:12.31
youcantcompthis
Right now. Yeah.

38:17.90
Adz
Okay, okay I get why that card would be on the list I'm I'm curious to know what cards they're prepared to put and why I do like the angle that they're trying to. Encourage people to go through what they've got but my question my counter that is if these people are not in the. The media side of the Hobby I E following podcasts listening to sports card investor or sports cards nonsense. How are they going to know.

39:02.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and that is definitely a possibility that you do have the luca 1 of 1 you don't realize what it is that that is definitely a possibility but I'll probably also say too. That's pretty slim I can't.

39:16.62
Adz
New.

39:21.20
youcantcompthis
Rule it out to zero I can't disagree with you.

39:22.00
Adz
No, but I'm I'm just like but what happens if you're you're marketing to people that don't watch you.

39:29.88
youcantcompthis
That is a theory also around some of the Steph Kari stuff that at that time frame. There wasn't a lot of value in it. He wasn't even that fantastic coming out of college. Some people have some people have hypothesized that you know some of the.

39:38.94
Adz
Ah.

39:43.30
Adz
No, he had a lot of um question marks over him.

39:48.27
youcantcompthis
Really rare expensive stuff. Rookies have been thrown out or they're in boxes somewhere then people just don't realize you know when I say boxes I mean your card boxes that you've put all your singles into and they're just sitting in your attic. Yeah, so look.

39:50.13
Adz
Oh.

40:01.38
Adz
Sure sure yeah.

40:06.70
youcantcompthis
I think this is a really good time to segue and we we go into the points records because we're just talking about the luca 1 of one I know that Luca is not your favorite person in the world but he did score 73 points the other day.

40:17.10
Adz
Ah, it poured one out for for for someone I do like quite a bit is on the on the theres a special day that he did it on I think he I think they had copy on the brain.

40:27.87
youcantcompthis
You think it was a tribute to Kobe I think.

40:34.21
Adz
And by they I mean so the anniversary we'll I'll do we'll do the introduce all of the stats I guess um Joel Mbied and Carl Anthony towns on the anniversary of Kobe's 81 point game dropped.

40:53.74
Adz
Was it 72 and 62 or 70 and 62 yeah and then on the anniversary of Kobe's passing Luka had 73 and Booker had 63 so both very kobe connected.

40:55.40
youcantcompthis
So mbide had 70 luca had 73 and

41:06.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

41:13.46
Adz
Um, time of the year I guess

41:13.89
youcantcompthis
So I actually haven't heard this theory being thrown around and I was listening to some pods today and they were talking about the wolves coach calling the team immature so that actually makes me believe what you're saying is right because that.

41:27.29
Adz
Um, ah.

41:33.57
youcantcompthis
The team was basically feeding towns the ball not basically wanting to win the game to get this point's record as a tribute to kobe.

41:38.27
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah, and it was on the it was on the anniversary of the eighty one. Yeah, so did.

41:45.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, right. As a kobe guy where are you at with people doing that for him like.

41:55.91
Adz
This week is always like the whole the the whole arc the whole seven days is ah is a very rollercoaster thing I think players putting in kobeesquegames um

42:13.80
Adz
Like I'm I'm sure it's it's touching and all but I don't I don't think you can kind of keep it in the tank until a specific day. So I mean I've seen the highlights of Luca's game that that was. That was a that wasn't ah a kobe driven performance that was um, yeah, that was that was a player just feeling it like he couldn't miss and he wasn't being fed the ball like that like um.

42:44.15
youcantcompthis
And I I watched the the whole game because I think with someone is scoring the fourth most points or tired for fourth of all time you're witnessing something that's.

42:48.94
Adz
Cat. No.

42:56.63
Adz
Yeah.

43:03.14
youcantcompthis
Important and special. So the thing that actually went through my head when I was watching the game was he was passing a lot for somebody that was scoring 73 points and I actually think if he pushed it more. He could have got seventy eight or eighty that's when i.

43:11.37
Adz
He was.

43:20.89
Adz
Yeah.

43:22.84
youcantcompthis
Think about the game and sort of go through it in my head I'm like there's a couple of times he was probably a little bit too unselfish maybe he could have taken a couple more shots you know? so so I think where I'm at with this is where does Luca fit in.

43:34.23
Adz
Ah.

43:40.39
youcantcompthis
To the all-timers because now that you're on this list I don't think he's gonna get bumped off that ad for a very a very long time. Let's just say someone makes 74 points right? then then he'll be. He'll be tied for fifth. He's still tied for fifth. You know what? I mean like.

43:46.36
Adz
It's ah it's an accolade. It's an accolade That's for sure. Yeah, so.

43:58.58
youcantcompthis
We're talking sort of worst case scenario here where you at with this kid because I know that you've been a little bit wet on him I think that's I mean critical or just not that high on his sort of Hobby potential and his hobby value whereas.

44:03.20
Adz
Critical critical.

44:15.80
youcantcompthis
My probably underlying gut feeling is that you know this kid is special and yes, prices have been ridiculous. You know for a couple years, but it's also taken a massive dip you know I think we really do need to you know, sit down and start looking at some of these prices and look It's not just Luca too. I think there's other generational plays at the moment we've got nikol Yoki we could be talking about. We've got mbied I think mbi is you know one of the most overlooked people in the hobby at the moment you know and then yeah, he just went on to school seventy. So look I think we should read through the list so wilts number 1 kobe number 2.

44:40.53
Adz
Ah, and.

44:52.52
youcantcompthis
Wilt number 3 was 78 typed of fourth is Luca Wilt Wilt and David Thompson so what I was thinking we should do this week is try and find some David Thompson cards and comp them with Luka so just hear me out.

45:05.31
Adz
David Thompson and Luca I like it I like it.

45:11.40
youcantcompthis
Just hear me. Yeah, let's just say you're right about all this stuff with Luka is the worst scenario now he comes out with David Thompson

45:21.36
Adz
Is the worst scenario.

45:23.20
youcantcompthis
yeah yeah I don't think David Thompson was anything that you know spectacular was amazing. Score obviously he had a great game.

45:33.24
Adz
Ah, yeah, okay, yep, for sure. That's probably worst case are there any David Thompson cards to comp.

45:44.90
youcantcompthis
Wilt at 7 I've got no idea I've done no work on it I thought we could do that this week on some socials here algin baylor at 71 David Robinson had 71 he did that the team put him up to that so he got the scoring record I actually I was around for that 1994 I remember that.

45:48.83
Adz
You? Okay, yeah I was gonna say he's definite is.

46:01.20
youcantcompthis
John Mitchell Damien Lillid with 71 and bede wilt chamberlain again equal Twelfth and booker at 70 we can go on and on Jordan Sixty Nine

46:07.64
Adz
Yeah I was gonna say book has had a 63 and a 70 and Booker's love in the hobby is is very low.

46:18.94
youcantcompthis
Um, maybe Booker and David Thompson is the better comp then so of all these scoring records at the moment. Do you see any hobby impact. That's what I want to talk to you about with all this I think that's the yeah.

46:21.91
Adz
Possible possible like button.

46:32.70
Adz
Hobby impact I think it's it's nice that there's another. There's something for Luka. If that makes sense I mean just trying to trying to contextualize it. Um Luke ah Luca is a 0 time champion. A 0 time Mvp.

46:48.66
youcantcompthis
Tell me more.

47:06.72
Adz
And I still I still put those accolades as the the more critical drivers of Hobby value.

47:20.14
youcantcompthis
For the ultra high end players. Absolutely there is no argument with that. So what you're really talking about there is Jordan you you're talking about Kobe you're talking about Steph Curry that that's where you're.

47:29.64
Adz
Yeah I mean Jordan's got scoring titles Jordan Jordan's Jordan's done all these other things right? Yep yeah yeah, he wants to be seen there. He needs to do the other thing and the other thing.

47:39.65
youcantcompthis
You're leading lucre into that group. Yeah, definitely.

47:47.11
Adz
Is win an Mvp and win a title. He needs a title and a finals Mvp I think he's capable of it. That's like not going to joke and muck around about it. He's definitely capable of it and and I think.

48:02.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, this is this is crazy like.

48:06.20
Adz
And I think it's really up to the Mavericks to help him get there because yeah, there's there's there's the writings on the wall. He's capable but until he gets to the summit and and.

48:23.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

48:23.79
Adz
Gets the job done I think it's cute that he sets the world on fire with a bunch of less. Oh. What would the word be less meaningful accolades. What I mean like they'll be There'll be a no nobody goes and says oh my god so so got 30 rebounds. That's the fourteenth best in history. It's not top 3 who cares? Hell if it's rebounds. It's not number 1 no one cares. Do you know? what? I mean like that point scoring thing is crazy. He's He's the closest to to kobe in a very very very very long time. it's it's rare it's rare air that's it's I'm I'm not dismissing it by any means I think hobby wise he's at the point.

49:05.50
youcantcompthis
Very yeah, definitely it's it's It's very meaningful. Yeah.

49:22.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely and actually that's exactly how I feel about this the the person I think is going to benefit from this is embied because like literally what you were just saying then.

49:22.95
Adz
He's already at the value where he's valued as an Mvp winner.

49:32.67
Adz
Yeah, for sure for sure and be embids in the spotlight for this.

49:40.63
youcantcompthis
The kids already hyped out. You know there's been a lot of cash put into this guy already. He's currently trading it 1009 for a silver psa ten sorry I lie to 1200 in the last two years he's down 59% population on this is 2200

49:42.30
Adz
Yep.

50:00.52
youcantcompthis
Nearly two thousand three hundred so you know there's a bit going on with this card and you know future value high population. You know where is this going to be in a couple years look I think this is actually you know a really interesting conversation keeping in mind that he could be a generational guy in beat on the other hand. I really struggle with this guy gauging his hobby value. My gut feeling though is he's he's really undervalued and maybe you know things like this is going to be. You know, really good for his exposure. Really good for getting people. You know on board with the the idea that you know and mbied is now the Twelfth highest points scoring in a game person like I I like that I think that's really good. The other thing about m b that I think is going to be really interesting is that I think all that injury risk is gone with this guy. They're gonna manage him they're gonna maintain him.

50:42.26
Adz
True.

50:55.51
Adz
Cheering.

50:57.46
youcantcompthis
Yada yada yada that's all going to be fine. He's by the way that he's trending this year he most likely won't be illegible for the Mvp. He can only take 6 more games off There's a long way to go in the season if they have a really good record which I think they're going to. They're going to do it. I think they'll rest him end the season I don't think he's going to be the Mvp running this year so in saying that I think the team's success of the 76 is going to be fantastic this year if they come out out of the east issue I'm not going to be shocked Boston or got wobbly wheels at the moment Philadelphia is looking really really good and maxe. Frankly, looks better than harden and Simmons combined at the moment in Philadelphia I need to put an asterisk on that because actually Harden's been pretty sick for the clippers. So but yeah, that's where I'm at with this actually man i.

51:40.23
Adz
Ah.

51:48.66
youcantcompthis
I think the the final question before we move on from this is can someone score a hundred points.

51:52.31
Adz
I Think it's possible I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Um, the question is do people stop. It did people stop at eighty one or ninety nine out of respect to either Wilt or or kobe.

52:11.60
Adz
That's like there's all these tribute tribute performances I'm like I wonder I wonder what would happen in that scenario. It would be interesting I was just I was looking because you because we always go back to the um.

52:29.62
Adz
We always. We always go back to Luka and the the pop count I just thought I'd go back and I've started with Kobe because the last week has been very Kobe Kobe Gobiesque um

52:32.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, why.

52:43.23
youcantcompthis
Kobe ask? yeah.

52:47.40
Adz
The the tops chrome like 96 base PS a 10 last sold for four thousand three hundred and twenty five dollars that is the base not the refractor the pop on that is 836

52:59.10
youcantcompthis
That's the base. What's the pop. What's the pop on that man on sure.

53:06.65
Adz
and bgs nine point five seven hundred and forty five last altoon two thousand 350 do you know I mean like we haven't got to the population of Lucas yet. That's right and we yeah and those 2 Kobe's their base and they're not even.

53:10.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah I mean like.

53:16.34
youcantcompthis
Population. Well, there's there's nearly 20000 base psa tens.

53:26.50
Adz
There's more Luca Silvers out there than that MPsa 9 is 4000 okay so refractors there are 2 bgs 10 blacks thirteen bgs 10 refractors.

53:27.13
youcantcompthis
So was yeah, the other. Yeah.

53:44.85
Adz
63 like do you know what? I'm saying is this thing is rare as he teethth Michael Jordan and I'm not saying that Luka is these players. Do you know what? I mean but the pop count on these cards.

53:45.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah I rare.

54:00.82
youcantcompthis
You know I think it's okay to have this conversation they had because people are being speculated on this guy that he's going to be the next Larry bird that he is going to be the next Kobe slash Michael Jordan

54:10.64
Adz
Do you know many Psa Jordan psa 10 jordan 1986 fliers there are

54:19.53
youcantcompthis
So you're not talking about the star rookie card. You're talking about the iconic Fleer I'm gonna say there's 10000

54:24.38
Adz
The flea. 3 2 1 in in psa 10 there are 321.

54:36.57
youcantcompthis
Really I thought there was oodles of those.

54:40.17
Adz
SGc print pristine. There is one psa ten. There's 321 bgs 10 there's 6 bgs nine point five is five hundred and forty psa nine there's two Thousand Nine hundred

55:01.82
youcantcompthis
I Actually almost don't believe you I I Just thought there was thousands of these floating around. Yeah, right? Yeah and I believe you I just I was so wrong. It's actually not funny. It's.

55:08.00
Adz
I Don't know any of the stickers there are. But yeah, no I'm looking Toard Ladder Now it's but that.

55:20.24
Adz
It's it's crazy to think that the relativity isn't there like those base cards of Lucas the near 50000 in gem gem rated Luka base cards. You know what? I mean it's farical to think it's going to be they and they're go to sell for $5000 plus like kobe's did and silver prism geez there's more There's there's less base kobe rookies. Then there are lucas silver prisms

55:55.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, you're making a great point I I don't have any you know counter argument to it.

56:01.17
Adz
And the funniest part about that is this kid doesn't even want a championship yet for an Mvp. So I think he's capable I'm I'm and he's under 25 for crying out loud like this kid has only just started.

56:11.47
youcantcompthis
Why yeah, it's wild isn't it what he's doing it really is wild. Yeah, he's very polished for his age So look. So I think if we keep this you know Hobby sort of wheel turning around I think we make this sort of the final thought we move on. But I think so what.

56:20.35
Adz
But he hasn't earned it. That's what is where I'm saying it? yeah.

56:31.90
youcantcompthis
I mean Luca is collectible right? And so there has to be something that's in there. that's that's Luca it's collected all. So do you to say if you can spin the wheels and you can do it by something that's numbered because I think why.

56:32.75
Adz
Um, very.

56:40.10
Adz
Yeah, find find something that's rare find something that has defined rarity.

56:50.10
youcantcompthis
Can I be honest with you anything that's numbered for me that would be a Luca rookie and or Luca Rookie autograph and or patch autograph you know I think you can sleep easy on that purchase. Yeah.

56:57.59
Adz
So.

57:05.79
Adz
Fisher.

57:07.21
youcantcompthis
Silvers on the other hand I agree with you I think that's gonna be a very interesting play for the next couple of years all right man let's make this the last thing and we'll close this episode off I'm gonna keep bringing up wnbacards when the big stuff happens in the news.

57:15.52
Adz
Yes.

57:24.85
youcantcompthis
And this is big so this is Caitlyn Clark she's currently in college at the moment she has signed to fanatics her 1 of 1 super refractor sold for seventy Eight thousand us dollars it was grade psa 10 it's a sticker autograph the autograph also came out to Jen Mint 10 I I think this is very interesting I think the trickle down effects is going to be real and I think the hype for this young lady coming out. Um is is going to be crazy.

58:01.48
youcantcompthis
Say from a selfish point of view though if panini is still doing wnba next year and there's no Kaitlyn Clark autographs in it which I think is going to be the case and we get a non autograph Caitlyn Clark I think that's going to be very sad for the.

58:09.40
Adz
M.

58:18.70
youcantcompthis
Diehard W Nba fans out there. But yeah look I'm I'm really blown away by this I I want to meet the person who made the purchase and you know talk to them and ask them. You know why? Why was your highest bid you know or why did you bid off of this.

58:32.69
Adz
Well in order for it to get that high someone else's surely bidding. So yeah, yeah I think that's really exciting. It's definitely exciting.

58:37.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, that's right, No, that's right, there's more than one horse in this race. So I.

58:44.70
youcantcompthis
And also collecting outside of the box. You can't tell me that this is ultra chaste and and there's not a lot of people out there collecting Wba you know like to me this is really really wild.

58:53.12
Adz
Nope. Nope.

59:05.67
Adz
I Don't know I think it's um I think it's special I think it's It's an indication that the hobby is not the Hobby's growing and in ways that are very good. For for diversity.

59:24.62
youcantcompthis
Just to add to what you're saying then I thought you're going to say the Hobby's not dead and I feel like this is the type of thing that you could when all these trolls online and saying you know the hobby is dead and you could just literally just copy and paste this underneath there. You'll get laughed out of the forum I know that but at the same time.

59:40.44
Adz
No, but yeah I know what you mean.

59:43.38
youcantcompthis
I think this is the type of stuff that you can't tell me the hobby's you know, dead and dying this is just I would never have I would never have guessed that in 1000000 years ad you know? So the previous record for a female basketball card was Eleven Thousand five hundred so you know what 6 x that Serena Williams is the.

59:47.80
Adz
This is true. This is very true I yep.

59:59.28
Adz
We've kind of we've kind of bumped that a little bit. Yeah.

01:00:03.60
youcantcompthis
Only other female athlete to have a thousand hundred thousand dollars card you know and we know how big Serena is you know what she means to mainstream society you know and young women so you know look I've got no troubles with that with Serena at all.

01:00:10.60
Adz
Um, sure I Just think I think the Hobby the Hobby is changing and I feel like the days that.

01:00:27.77
Adz
It was ah the hobby was perceived as a male dominated activity a well and truly behind us. Um, yeah I think it's exciting. It's good to see. Um, yeah other aspects of the Hobby get the.

01:00:34.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah I do like that.

01:00:46.90
Adz
Recognition it that they deserve and this is a really this is a really positive step and yeah, anybody any of the trolls that say the Hobby's Dead. It's growing in ways that that you may not notice or you may not appreciate. But yeah. Troll if you will where we're looking at a very healthy history Very few healthy future. Sorry um.

01:01:10.44
youcantcompthis
The other thing just came to me then too is I think the product history of Topps Chrome is obviously very strong and people believe in the product because I think if this was a fanatics product that and they hadn't purchased Topps Chrome I don't think it would have sold for the same amount right? like it doesn't have the same.

01:01:26.10
Adz
Ah.

01:01:29.40
youcantcompthis
Meaning and panache I think that's the right word and the other thing I'd say too is I think this is a really big confidence booster and also market confidence booster for fanatics. Do you know what? I mean like I don't think that if people thought that fanatics were going to crash this car. There's no way they're dropping eighty k on a Kaitlyn Clark

01:01:31.13
Adz
Yes.

01:01:42.80
Adz
Um.

01:01:47.45
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure. Um, one thing I have noticed and I've I've got a couple of friends that that sort of have that grassroots um love collecting ripping ripping packs.

01:01:49.10
youcantcompthis
But that there's no logic there. So yeah, what.

01:02:02.84
Adz
And I have a friend. He's got 3 daughters and I know at least 2 of them have been into basketball cards at some point and and to see that players that they because they all play basketball. Um, they've been playing basketball weekend. It's a stray day weekend. So.

01:02:03.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:08.96
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, and.

01:02:19.47
Adz
In Melbourne. It's very much a a rep tournament kind of thing but all these young girls playing basketball are aspiring to be like Wnba players wnbl players and I yeah yeah and I think to see that there's value in the hobby.

01:02:29.16
youcantcompthis
I agree I think it's really good role modeling for young women. Yeah.

01:02:38.30
Adz
And just the same way I had that excitement when I was 12 or 13 opening a box of hoops there. There are young girls that ah opening packs with their their dad and getting the same level of excitement and now this product.

01:02:42.94
youcantcompthis
The box but no very young male.

01:02:53.82
Adz
Out there for for the players that they can relate to that they can aspire to be and I think that's that's really important. It's good to see.

01:02:54.51
youcantcompthis
Like yeah, yeah. I think on that note, we we tied off and thanks Adam for a lovely evening again. I really appreciate you time. Thanks everyone for listening. Thanks everyone for your support on social media. It's been very busy the last couple weeks on social. So thank you.

01:03:08.58
Adz
Yes, let's so.

01:03:16.11
Adz
It's been good. Good good starts of the year good to good to be back. We should we should do this again. Let's um, let's sign off and and and do it again. What do you reckon all right see everybody.

01:03:18.51
youcantcompthis
We should sign on. Sounds great bye-bye.