Episode 127: All Star Voting, Trade Season, Giannis, Tatum, Jokic, Rozier, TT, Kevin Porter Jnr

Episode 127 is a quick hitting episode:
- All star voting results are in:
- Trade deadline is approaching and we discuss
Spicy P going to the Pacers
Terry Rozier to Heat
Bagley trade to the Wizards.
- Listener question from Collecting_cardboard_aus
- Some card comps Tatum vs Giannis and Giannis and Joker
- Stolen cards returned
- PMG sale
- Tristan Thompson suspended
- Kevin Porter Jnr without charges
- The Jordan Poole roller coaster

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Transcript

00:00.00
youcantcompthis
Seriously, let's do this.

00:01.46
Adz
Let's do it. Let's do it this way. Um, all right I won't hit the go live button just yet, we'll do this first confirm and go live Why not with the masses see everything.

00:17.62
Adz
Or just lose our sponsorship and we're live all right is that this coming Sunday the 4th February ah

00:23.37
youcantcompthis
Adam what are you doing on the fourth of February no wait. We can't it can't be like specific to a date because we're doing it for late 2 year no still works all right? Okay, go hand take to take 2

00:36.29
Adz
Well no, it's still for the upcoming week isn't it yeah because we're doing 2 episodes in the lead up to the fourth of February all right.

00:42.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, this is true. That's true you you're right take to Adam what are you doing Sunday the 4th February it is well.

00:48.39
Adz
Sunday the 4th February is that this coming Sunday well it's funny. You say that Russell because I'm actually going to the EJCards fourth anniversary trade day. Well, there's an extreme shot basketball machine tournament.

00:59.60
youcantcompthis
Wow Tell me more about this off really.

01:08.20
Adz
Yes, there are meganbamystery boxes free drinks and snacks all day free drinks and it's the return of Carson's Pokemon Fourth anniversary box.

01:12.52
youcantcompthis
Drinks free drinks free.

01:19.10
youcantcompthis
And can I bring the kids.

01:23.60
Adz
Sure there's a designated kids trading zone so you might go home with new ones.

01:31.71
youcantcompthis
What's the address of this amazing plays Adam bring through like ah great is there. Good parking there. That's.

01:34.54
Adz
Shop 3 2 to 4 white horse road in Blackburn um, that's a great question. um umm um I really can't I'm gonna put a disclaimer saying I'm not sure I haven't had great luck getting car parking around but it is near the train station.

01:48.96
youcantcompthis
This is good.

01:52.22
Adz
It is that is the fourth anniversary trade day now how the hell is Carson's Pokemon Fourth anniversversary box coming back if it's the fourth anniversary. It should be the return of Carson's pokemon third anniversary box which is back for the fourth anniversary. Not to mess with their marketing.

02:23.39
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 127 of the you can't comp this Nba trading card podcast. We're your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson

02:36.96
youcantcompthis
I don't think we've got a future in reading ads Adam.

02:41.88
Adz
Ah, don't know I thought that was fantastic I thought that was I was genuine that was real it was. We're gonna get signed out. We're gonna be Tv commercial readers for radio. Don't you worry? Ah what are you doing this Sunday is coming Sunday the fourth of february.

02:58.61
youcantcompthis
I mean I could bring the kids as dumped them off into the trading zone. Let them run a mark um rimple look after the kids were yeah.

03:02.51
Adz
And just trade them I'll I'll help you with the trades and be fine. No problem. Oh it'll be interesting.

03:15.23
youcantcompthis
Anyway, maybe we're back. Let's do this So we got heaps to run through old Star weekend Trade summaries.

03:17.29
Adz
I'll be able to trade him for one of the like for entry into one of the the the basketball tournaments. Yeah cool. We're back. We are back? Um, we did.

03:31.56
Adz
I Thought there was a lot to talk about in the last episode and then like there's another run sheet worth of worth of stuff. This is it's big. It's there's a lot happening Hobby wise.

03:33.78
youcantcompthis
And a lot of talk about a lot.

03:42.70
youcantcompthis
To refer. It's kind of 2 weeks because when we did the episodes for forward Jona Michaels Mr. court Kings Mr. Ross Torton we didn't really cover any of this stuff. So it's kind of why there's like a bit of a buildup but in saying that's just been a very busy week.

03:48.25
Adz
Oh. Light the current current affairs stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there is definitely a lot going on what would you like to start with.

04:00.35
youcantcompthis
And Nba and you know Hobby News Wire so I think we should start talking about the final voting results for the allstar weekend and we've roughly talked about this about using the allstar statistics to to guide your hobby purchases. So what I would like to do with you is. Go through some of the results and then we can pick out say 1 or 2 cards per conference and we can say I was expecting this person to go you know higher in the voting or lower and then you know how does that play out with their pricing because I think if we're being you know, realistic here.

04:25.00
Adz
Um, yeah.

04:36.42
Adz
Yeah.

04:43.40
youcantcompthis
Hobby is very much about popularity. It's about the fruja factor and this is literally maybe one of the world's biggest popularity contests in a way is and it like look how many votes some of these guys got you know yanis got 5 nearly five and a half million

04:59.00
Adz
It's It's very skewed voting because I know I voted twice and one of those days my votes were worth triple. So how many people are really voting. You're allowed to vote like every day for a month and a bit.

05:04.26
youcantcompthis
Like triple. Yeah.

05:13.45
youcantcompthis
They've done a few things to stop robots from voting you need to have an Mba. Yeah, and then your account is time limited per 24 hours which I think is a really good thing because I think there was sort of a.

05:17.54
Adz
An account. True True true. Yes.

05:28.56
youcantcompthis
Period of time where yaoing was getting maybe 1 or 2 votes from a bot that might not have been human driven. But that's okay, all right, let's start with Lebron James at the top 5000000 votes yokick with four and a half

05:36.56
Adz
Yes I want these things happen.

05:48.71
youcantcompthis
Durant with 4.4 and then there's a very big drop off down to Anthony Davis at 2 7 in the guards we've got Luka at four point one and then Steph Curry at three point two although I did hear some rumbling.

05:59.95
Adz
Oh okay, cool cool. Yeah there we go.

06:04.79
youcantcompthis
That actually Sga is going to be starting and not stiff. So maybe these actually aren't the final numbers.

06:08.77
Adz
Ah, no, no I've got the voting results. Um, but but but but but I've got because there's the media and the fan stuff.

06:18.98
youcantcompthis
Ah, do you know? why? do you know why? it's That's right? So I'm just looking at the pure the popularity vote and to be honest, that's that's what I want to look at to be honest, it's in the.

06:29.46
Adz
Ah, okay, so you just want to look at the.

06:34.25
youcantcompthis
The link is there. It's the old Star vote verding recap of yeah yeah.

06:36.92
Adz
I've just yeah I've got the 2 the final ones. So the actual starters. Um, yeah, interesting that that yeah in the east there's a huh what the tie breaker is if it's a if it's a joint with the media and stuff. Anyway, we'll go with the yeah huh.

06:57.79
youcantcompthis
So yarni at five point four million talum at 4.8 mbi at 4.7 and then again a really big drop off so Jimmy Buckets is next at one point six million the back court is Halliburton at 3 point 3 and trey young at two point 2

07:14.76
Adz
Yep.

07:14.95
youcantcompthis
And Damien Lillli is very very close there at 2.2 and he's also the one that ended up starting there. So so though actually I'm gonna segue into this first Jalen Brunson got one point four million votes and there's been a lot of in my opinion, a lot of social media. Awareness that he's not starting and and I don't agree with this at all I think it's just ridiculous that we you're in having this conversation but where do you sit on the Jalen Brunson all start start snub.

07:46.96
Adz
Um, there's actually a little little little thing on it about how the um the fan rank serves as the tiebreaker and and it's like cool. So the fans wanted lilid.

07:54.00
youcantcompthis
Good and it's like.

08:00.76
youcantcompthis
Great.

08:06.72
Adz
Ah, they're trying to lean towards if it is ah if it's a tie that give the people what they want so I don't know I think it's they had to draw a line in the sand and I think. Because the fans make up for 50% of the vote. Um, it's only fair, so get more popular Jalen.

08:29.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah I Just ah actually don't think he played that well for people to be kicking off. Yeah yeah.

08:34.91
Adz
Brunson I was shocked that lilly got voted in to be honest, but.

08:38.35
youcantcompthis
Look I think that's actually really good for someone like lilid who has been around the league for a really long time for being honest to you sort of being stuck in purgatory in Portland now he's coming to a like a genuine contender.

08:51.30
Adz
Um, Betrayy was forthright so fans voted Trey Young second and here's fourth.

08:57.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so I I think what that means is that the Nba players and the media didn't agree with yeah.

09:07.48
Adz
Didn't want him there don't think he deserves it and I don't know I feel like the media and the um the players kind of shouldn't have such a. And impact on being able to sway someone to from second to irrelevant.

09:26.85
youcantcompthis
So I think one of the the problems they were having is that before they changed it so that because originally it was all fans. Yeah, and I think that was the straw that broke the Camell's back and they said you know we need to cut this nonsense out. But.

09:37.80
Adz
Yeah, and then taco fall and Alex Caruso almost got voted in 1 year fish um

09:45.98
youcantcompthis
if if I can be honest with you. 1 of my fondest all-star memories was Kobe starting as a rookie. So for me I voted for chet holgro I voted for you know, many different people and you know many different iterations but I definitely voted for chet a few times because.

09:50.74
Adz
Yeah, exactly.

09:59.51
Adz
Oh.

10:05.19
youcantcompthis
I think he would be the perfect all star this year he can play all over the floor. He's actually flashy but not selfish if he didn't get the ball a couple of possessions. He'll just do whatever he's not going to kick off about it and then he'll do some crazy dribbling. He'll be you know, dunking on people and.

10:07.93
Adz
Cho.

10:16.28
Adz
E.

10:24.91
youcantcompthis
Dropping three I'd think he would have been insane in the Alltar game. So that's probably the one that if I had my wish that would be the one. You know what's your surprises here. What's what's sticking out to you when you look at these numbers and you say hang on a second this doesn't this doesn't add up for the good or it doesn't add up for the bad where are you at I feel like.

10:27.43
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

10:39.62
Adz
I Feel like the league. The league has a lot of control is what ah is my summary of it is the league does have a lot of control over how these things pan out um for good or for for better or for worse. It's not a do not I mean like.

10:44.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay, yeah.

10:59.20
Adz
They've got a it's their show and let's be let's let's not um, beat around the Bush this is an entertainment weekend. So this isn't for yeah.

11:04.26
youcantcompthis
Hundred percent

11:11.75
youcantcompthis
Boring plays like Jalen Brunson to be in.

11:13.79
Adz
This isn't something super important like the in-season tournament where there's a crown champion shout out to the inaugural winners Los Angeles Lakers um, this is this is a.

11:21.15
youcantcompthis
So ZaZack low would disagree with you on that right? So if you do get voting to ultar. It does go towards your that's right? So your money on your paycheck so look it does it does mean something. But yeah.

11:28.30
Adz
Give money? yep. Yes, Sos But that's money in the pocket right? That's the money in the pocket of the player. This is this is a weekend for the fans to watch all their favorite players play together. So I feel like there have been some worst snubs in the All-star game.

11:39.70
youcantcompthis
Money Yeah is awake. They might own life. But yeah, definitely sorry, let me.

11:52.86
Adz
Um, Jalen Brunson has been very good, not not discounting his performance but he also isn't yarnis or Lebron. So.

12:02.63
youcantcompthis
So I've got to tell you man I think for me this is a lot about big markets and their media coverage and and how much that matters you know like if Brunson was playing in Toronto and playing as well. We wouldn't be having this conversation. The other thing too is.

12:12.76
Adz
Um.

12:21.44
youcantcompthis
It's not like the knicks are their records. Not they fantastic. So really, what are we talking about here. There be an okay, but yeah.

12:27.43
Adz
Nick's have been okay since they've recently but that's a thing right? New York is a big place Atlanta got behind trey young with two two point two million votes pull your finger out New York if you want your man in there start voting? Yeah but like New York's a bigger, a bigger franchise than you know what? I mean like there's more fans that could be Julius's fault let's be real.

12:42.81
youcantcompthis
I Think it's more than that I think the kids love Tray Relatable lovable. Yeah.

12:59.61
youcantcompthis
All right? So for me I interpreted this data a little bit differently. So for example I think this is a really good list to use to guide your hobby journey. So let's look at the guards in the west this is actually like amazing. Lucas number 1 steps number two s g kyre Anthony Edwards James Harden Darren Fox Booker jamerant Austin reeves like that's the who's who of guards in the west and I old always to say too. It's. Amazingly accurate in terms of who's popular. You know within the hobby hurts my feelings that fox is at number 7 I'm not gonna lie to you but that's like that's totally okay, the other one for me too. So let's go to the east guards now so tyres maxie so this is someone who I think is.

13:45.71
Adz
E.

13:56.16
youcantcompthis
Looking amazing and I think if you're looking at these numbers and saying you know where is his kid going to be in 1 year and 2 years and 3 years I think you use that to sort of you know, prospect up in that way. The really interesting one for me though is lamalo ball at 9 and let's like reflect that back onto his hobby value.

14:07.28
Adz
Yeah.

14:14.95
youcantcompthis
He's taken an absolute caning the last couple of years in terms of his popularity I think that like you know meshes together really well because you know this is someone that was in all-star game sold that long ago. He's had a rough couple of years I'll definitely give him that and then the other hobby story for me this year has been Halliburton so Halliburton number 1 in guards in the east.

14:23.40
Adz
Um.

14:34.14
youcantcompthis
Three million three hundred thousand nearly four hundred thousand votes you know I think if we do a twelve months we recap I think Halliburton's going to be at the top of that list I think at some point in that list. You know Maxie's going to be on that list.

14:35.80
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

14:46.79
Adz
Ah.

14:51.68
Adz
It's it's interesting because you look at the voting across like play like peers Halliburton through the roof like all the plays voted for it. 97 media members voted for halliburton.

14:51.88
youcantcompthis
So.

14:59.69
youcantcompthis
Elevate Yeah, like plays. But.

15:04.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's had just an unbelievable year Honestly I've I Just love watching that guy play. So I think for me, you know that's you know a really important stat. So I'm gonna put this out to the listeners again I'm gonna do something on social media about this this week.

15:14.25
Adz
Yeah.

15:22.51
youcantcompthis
Want to put together a spreadsheet it basically in this order and then I want to get the PS a 10 silver last sold price. We'll have to we'll have to muck around a little bit this you know with the older guys k d.

15:25.39
Adz
Oh. 4 4

15:39.78
youcantcompthis
Hardened Steph Curry Etc etc but you know we'll we'll work that out. Yeah, so what I'm asking from the audience is does someone know how we can automate this so that it will just be an ongoing rolling thing if they can write some code for us if they can do something like that.

15:40.30
Adz
Sure we get the top crime. It's fine or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

15:56.90
youcantcompthis
That will be absolutely lovely in terms of compensation. We'll have to negotiate something in that space. But it might be maybe some break credit. Maybe some shirtouts on the show. We're not offering a lot.

15:56.55
Adz
Oh.

16:09.69
Adz
Feel like a shout out a shout out sounds really.

16:13.11
youcantcompthis
We're not offering a lot here people I'm not going to lie to you. It's more gonna be a labor of love. But so what I'm trying to get to here is if you could then track that and see you know where these people are going up and down I just wonder if this is actually a really good tool. So the other stand out for me too in this space is scottie Barnes right? So he's tenth.

16:21.48
Adz
Earth.

16:31.39
youcantcompthis
In the east in the front court so that what I read from that is is don't go too hard on Scottie Barnes he's not winning the popularity contest even though in my head I'm like Scotty Barnes is down a lot. The kid is crazy talented. They've just blown up their team to build around him. Maybe.

16:47.55
Adz
Yeah.

16:49.76
youcantcompthis
That theory is actually not that good keeping in mind of you know of the popularity contest or you can say well actually he's got like a ah lot of room to to grow in the next couple of years but think talk to me. Yeah I was waiting for you to bring him up.

16:59.85
Adz
I got an interesting one on that guard list Derek white. Ah.

17:07.72
youcantcompthis
More votes than Darren Fox that hurt my feelings man and Devin Booker wow maybe the bots still are at it. That's the only 1

17:12.47
Adz
Wow wow! no no I said I could vote for like a month and a half I've been hard on Derek 170000 votes for Derek white just to get him over the line.

17:24.18
youcantcompthis
That's the only explanation to me that Derek White's got this many votes that is ridiculous I don't know what's worse the non- autograph card or Derek white outvoting Darren Fox and Devin Booker like

17:41.59
Adz
And Boston fans of very vocal look at it. You got to nominate a whole team.

17:41.71
youcantcompthis
Really.

17:46.47
youcantcompthis
What what Boston fans voted 700000 times come on.

17:53.12
Adz
No, not all of them. There's some old spurs fans that would have voted for him. Probably not let's be real.

18:02.90
youcantcompthis
That is ridiculous. So I think the other one 2 probably to look at is shengoons are he's number 5 above kuleard above Paul George above webanaa that really got me I actually thought.

18:10.76
Adz
Oh.

18:18.12
Adz
Have.

18:20.50
youcantcompthis
Why isn't wembbonata starting this year you know or are we just living in this hobby bubble that doesn't actually share the same feelings of the general you know populace.

18:30.44
Adz
I wonder if we could get the votes because you'd mentioned the year that Kobe Kobe started like you go back if this was ninety ninety six do you think when Benjaana would be starting.

18:39.86
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

18:48.10
Adz
Women ya be in the old star game.

18:50.66
youcantcompthis
Probably not. There was more big guys were probably more of a dime a dozen back then.

18:59.94
Adz
True I Think it's interesting. Certainly um, some food for thought. But maybe maybe the rising stars challenge. Maybe they want to sell that have they got a rising stars thing on.

19:12.30
youcantcompthis
Is that is that going ahead this year because I think the last couple years they didn't run it just because of how uncompetitive that it was.

19:16.51
Adz
Fuck if fine know mean I never watched much on allstar weekend I I rewatch the allstar game I don't know Mba 8 yeah um I can't.

19:26.33
youcantcompthis
I watch it on replay. But yeah I'm not going to sit down watch it live. It's.

19:34.17
Adz
Things to know I'm on the Mba site now. So take place on Sunday the eighteenth of February. Oh good.

19:38.26
youcantcompthis
So I think the other one that's the other one that's is I'll make this my final one ad and feel free to add anything you want is Paula benchero because he started the season.

19:46.96
Adz
Get.

19:56.30
youcantcompthis
Really amazingly and he's had some good games in the last sort of 20 games or so but they've definitely slowed down a lot. But I think I think if you really think about ban chero as a player and the market that he's in I think for him to get that many votes is actually you know very warming and i'll.

20:00.75
Adz
E.

20:13.60
youcantcompthis
Probably also say 2 Probably summarizes where he's at Hobby wise in terms of value sort of sitting around that $400 Mark you know, right? in the middle you know, not too Expensive. You know, not too cheap.

20:21.82
Adz
Yes, yes.

20:32.86
Adz
Um.

20:35.67
youcantcompthis
And then the other obvious mismatch out of that too then is is Jaylen Brown like we've been talking about this. You know the guy is too cheap. The guy's too cheap, but then here he is here number 5 in the east. So.

20:43.40
Adz
Yeah, number. Yeah yeah, that's crazy right.

20:52.73
youcantcompthis
Already trades.

20:53.30
Adz
Some yeah, it's impressive trades I know there's probably a couple that I haven't sort of sort of seen Michel we.

21:03.85
youcantcompthis
I wanted to do this last week but we never got around to doing it so here we are now it's fine I really want to talk about this. The paces get pascelsiiarkom they sent away Bruce Brown Jordan Noir and 3 first round picks to the raptors in a separate. But also part of the trade the pelican sent Kira Lewis and a second round pick to the paces and then the paces sent him to the raptors and then the pelican's got cash. So I love this pascalsi arkham trade so much for the paces because. Athletically I think he fits in with them like with the pace that they play but my observation of the paces is they really sometimes struggle when the game slows down and they're in the half court and they're not getting those open three point shots and they're not getting to the basket and I think spicyp is really good at scoring in the mid-range probably my.

21:56.60
Adz
Oh.

21:59.48
youcantcompthis
Fear with him is that he'll hold onto the ball for too long and then the ball won't be moving around as much and look I haven't watched a heap of paces but I have watched a couple of games that doesn't seem to be a massive problem for them so far and then the other thing I Really like about it too is you know defensively I think he fits in with their schemes and we've we've.

22:10.72
Adz
E.

22:18.69
youcantcompthis
I've already said this on the show. So I'm not going to go on about this too much. But I think that the thing that the paces have done better than maybe all of the teams in the league at the moment is putting pieces together that complement each other like their front court complements their back court their wings complement.

22:29.51
Adz
Yeah.

22:36.62
youcantcompthis
Back caught and they're bigs. You know I mean everything just sort of fits together and the other thing they've done a really good job of too is finding 10 plays that you know go together so like their bench has got Isaiah Jackson's got obbi toppin those guys come in and yeah, they give them different looks to what their their starters give them. But the.

22:53.29
Adz
Yeah.

22:56.56
youcantcompthis
They fit in with the run and gun the switching the shooting all that type of stuff like I love their team like and I think you know I love that movie moneyball I kind of fantasize that the paces office are this like bunch of sort of deranged geniuses that are just building these stat machines and just.

23:10.89
Adz
This super cheap. Ah.

23:15.82
youcantcompthis
Putting all these you know simulators together and you know because they've done a really really good job. So I love this trade so much and I think I think it's also good to see teams trying to win you know because we're also living in an era where teams are trying to lose and you know I I kind of hate that. Yeah, definitely. But.

23:32.15
Adz
We joke. Ah, we joke about the spurs doing it. Yeah.

23:35.61
youcantcompthis
You know these guys are going for it. You know and Halliburton is having an amazing year like a Steve Nash mvp year I love this so hobby wise. That's what we hear for. We're not here for my basketball takes look.

23:48.80
Adz
I Did small market to small market for me does it? Yeah does it move the needle.

23:55.93
youcantcompthis
Definitely So I Don't think it does and I'll tell you why because he's already won a championship and he didn't explode and you know his prices didn't skyrocket. You know I think he's just one of those plays without the friger factor and does it hurt his value I think that's the question. Probably more relevant here and the the answer is no right I think this is going to keep him more relevant because the paces do they don't want to win they wanted to blow it up think the assets the assets they got back for him is okay.

24:14.29
Adz
That's interesting. Yeah, maybe.

24:24.13
Adz
Fisher.

24:28.60
Adz
I think this is a good trade for both teams I don't think hobby wise. There's any impact but I see India it's nice to see Indiana pushing in and having a crack that's.

24:36.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely so their theory is. They're not going to get anyone in free agency. They only't get it through trades so we're seeing this play out and then the raptors didn't want to get the same return for Fred Van let that they got for pascaliarko which was nothing.

24:45.83
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

24:54.60
youcantcompthis
So they've got something back for it. You know I'm I'm fine with that. You know I'm totally fine hey speaking of um, someone else who was trade away from the raptors o g I spoke to you about how like you know thbs and him should get married. There was a 3 game period where he had five total minutes of rest I I told you.

24:55.00
Adz
Yeah.

25:06.37
Adz
Yep. This guy. Yeah I know he's he's.

25:12.73
youcantcompthis
I Told you that he's gonna play that guy to death. He's actually like you know gonna die on the court like.

25:18.17
Adz
So because he's not playing an allstar weekend human tibs are gonna go off an elope. Um, yeah yeah, they they're gonna be in Vegas instead of Indiana on that weekend. Yeah, that's it that's it they are gonna get hitched.

25:23.87
youcantcompthis
To Vegas they is gonna be gambling all weekend just gambling all weekend just like smoking cigars till three o'clock in the morning I can actually see those 2 do and that. So um I was kind of angry.

25:34.43
Adz
It's going to be.

25:39.48
youcantcompthis
And the last episode about the non-ortograph and I'm so so mad about this trade. So Terry Rose Year is going to the heat kyle low is going to the hornets and some meagre draft compensation will go to the hornets too.

25:39.80
Adz
Yes.

25:45.86
Adz
For nothing.

25:58.58
youcantcompthis
I Just think the best analogy for this is a team pulling down another team's pants and just stealing something from them really good. It's like the lake is how I get really annoyed about that them just getting all the players and then stacking up the team look I get it from the hornets point of view.

26:15.55
Adz
Yep.

26:18.43
youcantcompthis
They're just gonna blow this thing up. They're go to build around Brandon Miller the non-autograph guy they're gonna build around laelli ball like that's fine. But at the same time. Don't make a team 10 times better and get nothing back like that just makes me so crazy. Honestly. Like why.

26:38.29
Adz
It's interesting, but you're right because you're you're actually making the team better before the waiver side of the the year comes along and it was interesting that you talk about how unfair the lakers are because we the lakers wait for the waivers to come through.

26:53.84
youcantcompthis
It's just a heist though like he's actually a defensive first point guard. That's that's his nature but as he got better. He got more offensive responsibilities's defensive. So what's goingnna happen is he's gonna go to the heat. You'll go back to that defensive mindset. You'll score.

26:55.77
Adz
Yeah, ah.

27:06.16
Adz
Yeah, oh oh.

27:11.32
youcantcompthis
When he's called upon and needed and he's ah they're going to be good and look maybe from the the league competitiveness this is a good thing right now we've got another team that can challenge Boston we've got another team that can challenge the bucks. Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong point of view but I'm just at that very like frustrated thing where I'm like. Imagine him on like the Kings or imagine him on the lakers or why did they settle is that really boy.

27:32.95
Adz
Yeah I ah don' worry Lakers will probably end up recruit buying bloody layry off wars after he clears wars from Charlotte and will regret that because it's he yeah, he's old.

27:41.32
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, so the other really funny part about this too is that Miami actually saved money out of it.

27:53.16
Adz
Ah, they didn't know. No no, no they they didn't just sort of fleece charlotte they dropped their pants they pulled Charlotte's pants down

28:00.00
youcantcompthis
Um, and so I can also imagine now a world where they're going to go out and spend more money and get someone else in so that's other part of this too. It's very possible. The heat are going to get better again before the end of the deadline. So I mean.

28:12.81
Adz
Broughtgged into the hate.

28:15.67
youcantcompthis
It's not outrageous to say this right? So look let's tie this back to Hobby to why we're here, not me ranting about things that make me sad.

28:16.70
Adz
Yeah.

28:26.79
Adz
Scary Terry in Miami hey what is that gonna do that's not a good thing.

28:30.65
youcantcompthis
Terry Rose here is not on card letter I think I think this is pretty much where we end the hobby conversation here.

28:40.50
Adz
Kyle Larry oh look at that he's on card letter. It's not the most interesting of card is a core Kings 1 all is a blank slate hang on.

28:55.76
youcantcompthis
I gotta tell you man this sold for a lot more than what I was expecting so rosier silver psa ten last sold for $85 which was on the twenty sixth of January I've got to say that's a bubble card because going back and looking hes older sales.

28:58.00
Adz
Yep, what's this the blank slide.

29:08.63
Adz
Ah, yeah.

29:13.29
youcantcompthis
Ah, green which is the color match. He's a celtic rookie PA 10 sold for $26 and an imac rpa number to 99 and PSA 10 those cards are really difficult to gem sold for one hundred and forty seven so

29:14.35
Adz
Oh yes.

29:27.43
Adz
Question about color matching if they change teams so say he was drafted by the celtics and he goes to Houston is read a color match for him now fine. All good, but sure.

29:29.59
youcantcompthis
Talk to me? No no yeah, no, the green is still the the match you could make it an ebay One of one though if you wanted to.

29:47.21
Adz
Of course you just lonely don't don't say it's an actual 1 of 1 careful about how you title your stuff on ebay. It's non autograph I get ripped down. Ah it's it's scary for the league. Not scary for the hobby.

29:48.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah, just play the long game. Yeah. Final thoughts on Terry Rosier

30:02.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

30:07.20
Adz
That's probably yeah, that's my thought.

30:08.38
youcantcompthis
Now I'm going to go out in a limb here and say we're the only podcast in the world that's going to talk about this but here we are the pissons and the wizards are finalizing a trade margan Marvin Bagley Isaiah Livers and two second round picks for. Danielo Gallinari and Mike Muscala which the trade did go through look I love this for actually both teams I think this is actually a really good trade. It's good for the pistons they need some adults in the room and I think that the Marvin Bagley experiment is over. So.

30:35.42
Adz
Oh.

30:44.93
Adz
Um, yes, agreed.

30:46.38
youcantcompthis
They brought him in they checked him out. He's not going to pan out. They've got enough big bodies. Anyway I think Jalen Duran is looking really good. They've got beef stew. You know. Do you need someone else clogging up, you know the minutes rotation probably not you just need someone in there to mentor I'm ah I'm totally fine with that right now on the other hand the wizards are in such a bad need just to blow this like whole thing up but keep young prospects. So.

31:19.74
youcantcompthis
Hang on to your bagley hang on to your cooler baries hang on to your dennies get rid of your Jordan pools get rid of your Karl kusmas look look hobby wise.

31:26.63
Adz
Hold hold on to your bagleys.

31:35.18
Adz
Yes.

31:39.42
youcantcompthis
I think if we're being realistic here. Gallinari doesn't move the needle much mucala I doubt he's even got a rookie card. Let alone be on card ladder look but a lot of money's been spent on bagly over the years like a lot of money. So this guy was 2018 rookie you know. He was highly prospected. You know people spending a lot of money you know people lost a lot of money on this kid. Do I think he is a buy I'm I'm holding some badly but I still wouldn't recommend that you.

31:59.57
Adz
Um, yeah.

32:13.25
youcantcompthis
Go out and spend your harder earned money on him I think that's a very long long-term deep dive if you get some low-numbered psa ten stuff for a couple of bucks like awesome you know, put it away but do be going out and stockpiling.

32:25.17
Adz
Don't yeah.

32:28.75
youcantcompthis
Fifty Five p s a ten silvers something nonsense like this. Yes.

32:32.77
Adz
Yeah, yeah, although an aside sidebar john omichaels get rid of you Killian Hayes while you're at it. Ah.

32:42.76
youcantcompthis
Look I think if you've gone this far with Killian Hayes I'd probably just write it out to be honest because I think the rotation is pretty settled there in their back court. The only thing I can probably say is maybe Jade and I will break into the the rotation.

32:52.29
Adz
You'll end up somewhere else.

32:59.90
Adz
A.

33:02.58
youcantcompthis
But do I think that's going to impact Hayes's minutes too much more. It look probably not the guy's going to stick in the league I think he's going to be a 10 year vet and realistically if you bought him already. You've probably already done your money anyway.

33:12.83
Adz
James Gregory buy heavy on Marvin Williams John i's like you could probably sell them all and buy a $2 scratchy oh boy yeah yeah yeah I feel like if you're prospecting in Detroit and Washington.

33:21.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's it's look. It's really tough if you did prospect on on killing Hayes.

33:32.20
Adz
At the moment. It's it's tough. It's tough.

33:32.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah, the rest of the show is quick hitting just general points out for us to to have a chat about So this is a question from collecting underscore cardboard underscore oz and actually this is a question. We get a lot and so.

33:45.60
Adz
Ah, yep, yeah.

33:51.93
youcantcompthis
I Think one of the ideals that I came into this show were doing is that we wanted to do simple questions. We wanted to do slightly more complicated questions and we wanted to do very technical analysis and breakdown and we we try and do all.

34:05.59
Adz
Yeah, so what? what? what does this one go under because I'm reading the question I feel like we could get very philosophical or we could be very superficial with this one.

34:09.86
youcantcompthis
Varying degrees of success ad.

34:17.56
youcantcompthis
So I'll do the superficial because that's how I view this you can do the philosophical and then we've covered both and so the question is why do we use the Silver prism to come from and I think if you are just getting into collecting if you are.

34:26.26
Adz
Ah, it's not going to be very deep and philosophical.

34:36.54
youcantcompthis
Someone who isn't hardcore into this and just you know does this very casually I think that's a really really really good question. So the answer is it doesn't represent every single card of that person. But what it does try and give you an example of is is sample size. So. The number of trades it helps to predict what a trend is and maybe you can see well this card is going up this card is going down but the caveat to that is and this is the conversation that we were having the other day was well. We've been talking about this just in the last episode with the Lucas silvers.

34:56.44
Adz
Okay.

35:13.92
youcantcompthis
2000 of those bad boys. So if he does tank in the short term he can tank down quite a bit but does that mean every single luca cart is going to tank. No, it doesn't so for example, the kabooms the blank slates. The rpa is the stuff number to 10 is that also going to be down 25% no. Definitely not but it just gives you a bit of an idea of where the market's at yep Adam.

35:41.44
Adz
I think he covered a lot of it I think the Silver prism The the thing is it's I mean when I started it was it was well. It was upper deck It was trash. It was a lot of.

35:45.70
youcantcompthis
Um, not the not the philosophy though.

35:58.91
Adz
God before I started it was it was Fleer was the set There's always a flagship set and it's driven hobby wise by the the hobby like the collectors. Set this precedent where the and you went into it. It's a traded commodity. It's where all the attention is it's where people see consistent value. So if prism is their flagship set and it has been. It used to be Topps and Toppps Chrome particularly that's where that's the card people want graded. That's the one that is getting sent off most to psa and it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy because it's the most commonly traded commodity. People identify it and are relate able to relate to it if you give a comp that is the selects I don't know what is what's the what are the 3 levels concourse yeah so is it.

37:04.76
youcantcompthis
So courtside premie level. Yeah.

37:12.26
Adz
Is ah which one's the the the top one. So court side is the top level. You're using that as a comp and there's say 150 the pop count of psa ten s versus two and a half thousand of of the.

37:13.54
youcantcompthis
Court side.

37:31.36
Adz
Silver Prism You can just see the sheer weight of transactions and you you refer to it as transactional, but but it's in the spotlight. It's not just transactional because people flip more of them people look for more of them. And we are we ah, we we do have a bit of a sheet mentality where why do we? Why do we compare against a silver prism because that's what we did last season and that's what we did last season right? I don't know when it changed but there is always a flagship set PrisPrism is that set. Prism is the tops of this iteration of cards and that might change with fanatics.

38:15.75
youcantcompthis
I mean there's 2 arguments there right? You can say well prism penini based their product very much off tops Chrome essentially they copied it right? The refractor was a prism this the same thingk its just called.

38:27.42
Adz
Ah.

38:31.76
Adz
Look. It's a different finish on the card Russell no anyway, oh no, no, you're right exactly? yes.

38:33.41
youcantcompthis
Prison right. It is different technology lawyers Definitely punch that out and then the other thing too is the numbers initially was that you could go Down. You could buy a box with $20 and you could get a $200 card of it that was also the the pool for people like being realistic about it and yeah and look.

38:50.96
Adz
Yep yep.

38:55.17
youcantcompthis
Card ladder didn't choose prism. They're just reporting what the market is doing yeah hundred percent so you let.

39:00.37
Adz
Correct correct I Ah, there's this's There's a there's a cause and effect from both sides like realistically it's a self-fulfilling Prophecy if there are more prism cards being traded. People depend on the high level volume of numbers. So Yeah I don't know I think I think there is a there's a case to be made.

39:17.98
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

39:31.57
Adz
There is a case to be made for other comps. But I think it's a good starting point that and how would you describe Prism as a set where do you because we we we talk about high and low end do not I like. Where does prism fit in I feel like Prism's its own so its own level almost.

39:56.81
youcantcompthis
I Think in terms of just a single card without an autograph even you could even say without it being numbered and you know without a patch put into it. It's the most important card.

40:06.62
Adz
Ah.

40:11.64
Adz
Yeah, that's why I give it flagship status. Yeah yeah, sorry I laughed at the comment in the um on the on the in the in the comments James Gregory stadium club in the 90 s was always fifty cents more

40:13.10
youcantcompthis
Like yeah and I think flagship is a perfect word. Yeah.

40:29.80
Adz
And the then the ah then the upper deck.

40:33.45
youcantcompthis
Ah, that fifty cents goes a long way if you buying 10 packs.

40:33.82
Adz
It does it does it scales it scales especially with 90 s logic.

40:39.61
youcantcompthis
All alrighty our friends at card ladder always kicking out the germ so they've got another one this week for us Janis rookie card bgs 9.5 numbered to 10 autograph albeit sticker. Bgs 10 sold for fifty one thousand two hundred and forty dollars comparing that with the Jason Tatum optic black one of 1 Ps a 9 Mr. Adam Amy that sold for 43200 which would you go towards personally and what would you recommend? our listeners be putting their money into.

41:26.35
Adz
I Would oh.

41:33.79
Adz
Firstly, at the Jason Tatum just authenticated because why do you need a grade on a 1 of 1 sorry we've been over this um who I would go ah yet, we just talked about flagships and and. I I would take the Yarnas I would I would take the Yarna. It's got an autograph on it. Yes, it's on a sticker but it's an auto to start with? Um, yeah, I'm sorry but no, no offense to optic Tatum's attempting card but that yarn is that yarni auto. Is for me long term I think we check back in 10 years and that yeah I feel like there's a big gap.

42:21.61
youcantcompthis
I think if I'm comparing these 2 guys as prospects I'm leaning towards yeah Yani so just from just from the start and then if I'm comparing products again I'm leaning towards prism so that's like 2 votes again.

42:33.26
Adz
Oh.

42:38.81
youcantcompthis
So this is almost obtuse what I'm about to say but I actually think the autograph takes away from that and why because it's a sticker and like we just talking about before like.

42:49.45
Adz
The Auto takes away because of the prison. Ah.

42:57.96
youcantcompthis
Prism doesn't need an autograph it doesn't need a patch doesn't even need a number you know like if that was just a gold number to 10 with yanas on it. Oh.

43:06.10
Adz
Yep, there is a goal. There is one out there. There is the the honest rookie to 10 It's probably worth half a million dollars let's be real.

43:11.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, actually I think that will be like amazing and maybe the artwork would look a little bit more rounded out. It wouldn't have that sort of bar through the middle there like you know, similar to the Tatum you you want to use that for comparison. So. Look I think getting one of ones matters. So now I'm voting for the Tatum card and this is pre the time where we had 35 1 of ones right? Still there's a few. Yeah, the select 1 of 1.

43:43.29
Adz
Is it? Ah yeah, you're right? No no, this is before select lost the plot. Yep yeah yep, yep yeah sure. Okay.

43:48.66
youcantcompthis
Deluge was a was sort of three years later yeah and look that also means that there's 9 hour of this card out there somewhere way when we're talking about theionus where in it's one of this so look. Yeah.

43:59.11
Adz
What are the chances that those Yarnis is a greater gem or or better. There's so many ways we can debate this.

44:04.70
youcantcompthis
Tough. So for me this is not this is actually not a you know a pushover at all. But at the end of the day I think I would just go with Janis just for the fact, you know it's Yarnis yeah, so really interesting sale though because.

44:15.31
Adz
On with you on that? Yeah, easy on that.

44:24.00
youcantcompthis
Again I think what you said is is correct. You know that's kind of a level 2 product. It's p say nine. You know how many collectors are going to be out there doing this this actually my feeling about that json tatum is that's a pc I don't think that's an investment or a flip.

44:32.13
Adz
It's an interesting one.

44:39.99
Adz
Agreed that is tradable as gold as much as we joke about the fact that it is a gold to 10 But yeah, it's a very tradable commodity. Yep.

44:41.93
youcantcompthis
Bre Theannis I'm very much like that to me is a very strong flip card. Yeah.

44:51.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah, this is a little. Absolutely yeah, this is a little bit of a feel good story again probably being a panini boy here but that's like totally fine. There was a gentleman who somehow. Allegedly came across a whole bunch of cards that were let's call it backdoored from Panini So Someone took cards from penny that they should not have done he for whatever reason held onto them for you know a period of time who knows exactly how long he held onto them for.

45:24.80
Adz
No.

45:28.86
youcantcompthis
Puts himself onto social media basically flexes them All. It's a whole bunch of Kusma Magic Lonzo ball autographs and then pinini reach out to them and basically recover the good. So I'm all about this I Think. This is something that's been spoken about in terms of a negative that panini haven't been able to keep a handle on terms of you know cards being backdoored. They do make duplicate one of ones. So if one does get damaged. They've got another one there. There's been some reports of people pocketing what Ive wants and you know leaving work for the day Clearly this person like.

45:55.86
Adz
Ah.

46:06.74
youcantcompthis
10 of them there. They've just taken the whole lot. So yeah I counted very quickly to know.

46:07.99
Adz
Well, there's 9 because are they all numbered differently.

46:17.90
youcantcompthis
Little bit tricky to see. But yeah, they're all serial numbered just saying though.

46:20.54
Adz
Yeah I was just saying if there were multiples that there was if there were any multiples instances of the same number. Yeah yeah, yeah.

46:26.58
youcantcompthis
It's number to 10 that card. So yeah, last interesting fact on this so is the kusmo auto is fake. He never signed that card. So.

46:37.34
Adz
True, interesting.

46:40.58
youcantcompthis
Precious metal Gem seo.

46:45.89
Adz
Precious middle Gem. We've Also oh we've got another gem rate I'm sorry card Ladder Compare comparison I had that one up as well because we made a point about there being an autograph. Have a question. Yes, we've got the Joker and M indeed.

47:06.92
youcantcompthis
Did I miss it but all, um, let me just put a footnote and I'll I'll skip through that 47 give me 2 seconds

47:25.77
Adz
Sorry I just popped it up on the screen. So.

47:27.98
youcantcompthis
Not totally fine. Silly fun.

47:34.95
youcantcompthis
All right? Your it's good. Do you want to introduce this one.

47:38.60
Adz
I am yes, we've also got another card ladder little comparison this time in in a bit of your flavor. We've got ah Joel m bede no auto prism.

47:54.12
youcantcompthis
No yeah.

47:55.10
Adz
Number to 10 sold for 16100 versus a select to 10 Nicola Yokitch rookie auto bgs Nine point five with a 10 autograph last sold for 15000 which card. Do you prefer.

48:15.38
youcantcompthis
This is really tough for me because I think the mbed rookie literally just talking about this I think he's undervalued. But then it's going for more than what the select autograph is going for. And yes, again, it's it's a lesser set. But. It's an on-card. Autograph it's not a sticker autograph. So I I probably like this autograph more than I like the yarnis auto I think I'm going to stay true to prism though because I think I think the further you know we sort of move away.

48:41.30
Adz
Um, interesting.

48:52.31
youcantcompthis
I think these other sets aren't going to matter as much and maybe at this time. So this selects for Jokeco I think that's fine I think if you put your money into that I don't think that's going to be a loss but what I mean by moving away and sets are gonna mean less. How much is the resalll and chronicles going to be in 10 years time is it possible that you just physically won't be able to give them away.

49:16.41
Adz
Yeah, that's a good point.

49:17.63
youcantcompthis
Do you know what? I mean so I think if you sort of applying that rule to this in a very barbaric type way that would make me lean towards prism being more important you know in the grander scheme of things. So.

49:27.88
Adz
And yeah. Yeah.

49:33.94
youcantcompthis
And again, it's that sort of true rookie card where it's just a card. There's not anything sort of fouling it up and it's PA 10 you know it's pretty tough to get Tens where are you at man.

49:42.10
Adz
Yeah, it is it is um I'm intrigued because the the Auto the Auto on this one.

49:50.24
youcantcompthis
3 yeah, it's tough friend you all know what.

49:57.56
Adz
Is tempting and you pointed out the the on card. But you're right? It's the it's it's it's gold and it's the flagship product. This is what's bigger than a silver prism the gold This is the number to 10 This isn't just the the Silver. This is the Gold. It's not a variant.. It's not a yeah this is this is the real deal So long term wires. Um, yeah I'm I'm on board with the the Gold prism I Don't think you've done your dough if you if you bought the the yokitch Though. Definitely not.

50:22.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

50:31.71
youcantcompthis
No definitely not and you could actually make the.

50:35.50
Adz
Interesting the card ladder has it valued um the Joel Mbid at 17 k in the um, the yokitch at 14780

50:43.15
youcantcompthis
That card ladder thing I've I gotta tell you man I think it's really a pretty useless tool but like.

50:47.98
Adz
I Reckon that's like the work experience student just thought they put a number on it like had nothing to do just puts the card ladder value joking. It's actually an algorithm thing. Yeah.

50:55.56
youcantcompthis
I think yeah, some crazy algorithm. Yeah, all righty this next one I'm just gonna skim through this really quickly but I did want to talk to you about this. So this is from at b is bowl card blog if you don't follow this gentleman. It's mario excuse my pronunciation Ali. Drown Drew he puts up some really cool stuff and he puts some effort into it. You know, typing it all out. So basically it's talking about the 2023 Bowman Draft Tom Brady autograph

51:28.50
Adz
Um.

51:29.32
youcantcompthis
It was very heavily advertised you know Ken Golden was all over it. There was the $500000 bounty that was out for it then it actually sold on the private market and it ended up selling for 158000 which is much less than what the media machine was you know, pushing it towards so what.

51:47.70
Adz
Aha.

51:48.84
youcantcompthis
What is really clever about this post though is that he compared it to a pretty average average is unfair to say but it's not a one of one. It hasn't got advertising behind it. It's the green precious metal gen of Dennis Rodman

51:58.32
Adz
Oh.

52:06.28
youcantcompthis
Which sold for $160000 in a private sale. You know in a very relative time comparison. So you know we're been talking about kabooms on the show and where I think the kapooms are going in the future in terms of. What is the most direct comp to a precious metal gem. But these precious metal gems are the real thing you like this nothing that really you know comes close to comparing them to them in today's current market I just think this is.

52:28.62
Adz
Yep.

52:38.89
Adz
Yeah.

52:43.38
youcantcompthis
Like absolutely fascinating you know in that there's not that much you know, really propping up this card other than the fact that it's a pmg and it just sold for one hundred and sixty k yeah

52:56.20
Adz
Yeah, this is true. It's pretty crazy. It's actually I'm just looking at reading the post in the nineteen the 90 s is where it's at.

53:11.65
youcantcompthis
The only thing I would push back on with this post here is that if you don't already own an army of Skybox Pmgs it's it's too late.

53:21.48
Adz
Yep, agreed.

53:24.10
youcantcompthis
So I was gonna push back. That's because I thought it was gonna say it's not too late. It is too late. We've we've missed the boat entirely. Yeah.

53:31.22
Adz
It's far too late the boat. The boat sailed a long long time ago. Um, yes.

53:42.18
youcantcompthis
Tristan Thompson suspended for 25 games for the violation of an Mba Mba Plays Association anti-rug program so he tested positive for Wolf Ibu Tuurin and sarmalgddash4 0 3 3 which are basically when I look this up a peptides and growth hormones. So I'm really really interested to follow this story because my longstanding Lebron theory is that he's been using hgh.

54:08.62
Adz
That's not good.

54:17.57
youcantcompthis
So clearly Lebron is not using one of these 2 that DoubleT just yeah and also to you watch Lebron play today. The guy what forty something years old he's still playing 40 god he's close enough to 40 you have any minutes that he played today.

54:22.56
Adz
Tristan got done for.

54:30.11
Adz
He's 39 he he's the oldest player in the Nba he got 20 rebounds first I mean it's career high for him. Yeah, yeah.

54:36.59
youcantcompthis
And he still weren't getting 18 rebounds. Are you kidding me. He played amazing today. But what do you.

54:45.82
Adz
Thirty point Twenty rebound 10 assist game in the win double overtime against the warriors. Good job.

54:50.72
youcantcompthis
Look Hobby Space I Don't think this matters at all for for double T but interesting little side story I think.

54:58.34
Adz
Yes, yeah, no, it's it'll be interesting to see. Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate like Tristan Thompson sort of hasn't been relevant for a very long time and this is not the kind of relevance you want.

55:17.70
youcantcompthis
Kevin Porter Jr the resolution will allow Mr. Porter to put this incident which involved false felony allegations and false facts behind him with no criminal record and move forward. So if you're not around Kevin Porter Junior he was a kid that came out of college with. Basically I think the nicest way to say it is so much talent but he also had this sort of rap of being a little bit emotionally unstable and then also had some sort of criminal convictions in the past that they'd managed and sort of kept under wraps and you know kept him in school. So.

55:50.51
Adz
Yeah.

55:53.31
youcantcompthis
When he was drafted by the cavaliers he lasted there for around a season and then was basically just dumped on the Houston rockets. It seemed like he was coming good and that you know he put all that behind him and then he just had an absolute blowout and then he's basically out of the league. So he's not getting paid at the moment by the Nba he's.

56:08.25
Adz
E.

56:12.80
youcantcompthis
Like his contract that was also part of the deal is that he was basically on ah a non guaranteed contract when he resaed with the Houston rockets and that was all to do with his you know, sort of behavioral and you know past stuff. So I think where I'm going with this. So is that a lot of money was put into Kevin Porter a lot of people lost money on that you know is this guy a buy to.

56:21.62
Adz
No.

56:28.30
Adz
Yeah.

56:32.35
youcantcompthis
My answer is very short and sweet. The answer is yes the answer is this guy is an absolute buy. The question is is when do you buy him I think you still have to wait another eight to twelve months because there's no actual outcome here. It's just like you know, a step in the right direction and then.

56:48.15
Adz
Um, yeah, that's true.

56:49.00
youcantcompthis
When does he come back to the Nba well, that's you know a little bit of unknown too. But I think high talent high risk prospecting Kevin Porter is your man. Yeah.

56:58.20
Adz
I Think it's a watch this space element. Yeah yeah, definitely.

57:06.40
youcantcompthis
So we joked about Jordan Pool earlier in the show. There was a video from at 5 card guys on Instagram it was just absolutely amazing. February Twenty Twenty One Jordan pool silver psa ten was one fifty four November Twenty one 1713 may

57:19.71
Adz
Oh got to put this up on the screen.

57:23.94
youcantcompthis
44500 October 22 1006 8 Eight January Twenty three 8 10 and January twenty four hundred and three the rise. And fall of sir jordan poole

57:43.70
Adz
Bye bye Jordan Poole this guy is do you know it's interesting like the the plus minus for the different. Iterations of these card value and not as bad is his actual plus minus as a basketballer. Um, he's he's actually terrible. Um.

58:11.44
youcantcompthis
I think this kid's gonna go down an Mba infamy in terms of just being quite possibly some of the worst shot selection ever and it's also funny too because the crowd knows it the game that I was there the crowd was actually laughing groaning.

58:22.95
Adz
Yes.

58:30.47
youcantcompthis
But it's kind of entertaining. You know.

58:31.00
Adz
Do do you think he realizes. He's a joke.

58:40.77
youcantcompthis
I Think these guys have so much confidence and ego to get where they got I don't think it probably matters to him.

58:52.17
Adz
Yeah, it probably yeah, you're right? You're actually right? it doesn't it doesn't matter. He doesn't care care. That's true.

58:59.68
youcantcompthis
You know the internal sort of self-confidence of these guys is just undescribable in many ways all right, add final thoughts. What do you got for us 1

59:10.42
Adz
Um, I've actually got one from the the chat that I thought I would raise because it was a very very good question and it follows on from one that we we spoke about in the last episode. Um James Gregory I've quit a great question in 2024 if your child was into Nba or Wnba.

59:13.68
youcantcompthis
Shit me. Yeah, hit me trigger 1.

59:27.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

59:29.63
Adz
What would be an amount as adults would we would feel comfortable them spending on cards knowing the Hobby and how it works I Think there's some layers to this.

59:32.58
youcantcompthis
Know yeah.

59:42.39
youcantcompthis
Look I would say first things first. It's a means tested question.

59:48.86
Adz
I agree.

59:50.46
youcantcompthis
So no matter what I say it really does depend on because you've seen those kids in the american trading card days and they open up their cases and they've got 50 k's worth cards in there and then they've got. And the 5 grand in cash on them. They're twelve years old like some people that's their reality and then other people your reality is buying fifty cent ah $1 cards right.

01:00:19.25
Adz
Ah, can I can I reframe just so because we also there was also a comment previously because James did mention that the stadium club and fifty cents in the 90 s followed that up with mate if your pocket money was like $5 a week. It made a big difference fifty cents in a card.

01:00:28.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but um.

01:00:36.38
youcantcompthis
Ah, yeah I was I was joking the bet I was also serious like it does matter like that fifty cents that's why I collected hoops because I were $2 a packet and that was my pocket money right? Ah, probably not that good.

01:00:36.51
Adz
So let's just say yeah, but yeah and and and when you were 12 how well did you look after your cards out of curiosity.

01:00:52.63
youcantcompthis
So in my pockets most of the time I Love those things they came with me you know they weren't in penny sleeves I didn't even know what a penny sleeve was so look so my answer to this though is I I Actually don't think that money is the right.

01:00:54.15
Adz
True true. Yeah, exactly yeah, but yes, ah yeah, it's an interesting one.

01:01:11.21
youcantcompthis
Way to approach this. So what I mean is I think you say actually I'm going to open 1 packet with you today and then you as the dad take care of the procurement because I don't think that.

01:01:13.49
Adz
Yep I like it.

01:01:20.48
Adz
Um.

01:01:29.29
youcantcompthis
I don't yeah I don't know like how far your your pocket money would actually go in you know into doing that. So but maybe the the thing that I like to do with my kids though is I'm trying to teach my kids how to count right? So you say this is.

01:01:29.54
Adz
I Think you've hit the nail on the head by the way.

01:01:38.40
Adz
Um, yeah, ah.

01:01:47.42
youcantcompthis
This is $10 then you have to actually match like the dollars to the cards that in the like in the loose boxes and then you have to then you have to manage your budget but that's like a special treat thing that they're doing. Yeah so that's that's my 2

01:01:56.36
Adz
Yeah, there's like a management side of it of yeah yeah, yeah.

01:02:05.30
youcantcompthis
That's my 3 points means tested product as opposed to dollars and then given them a budget and then stick into it out of a dollar bin.

01:02:14.65
Adz
Um, I think I think for me I'd be curious to know. Ah what the children what they like as far as their basketball cards goes because as adults that are very aware of what goes on in the Hobby I think.

01:02:26.29
youcantcompthis
1 yeah, 1 thing.

01:02:30.68
Adz
There's not ah, not a duty but a responsibility of sorts with um, imparting good habits as far as looking after your cards good habits as far as looking after the cards is the big one because. In 25 years time when they are grown up and they're they're our age and they got they rifle through their boxes. Do they have a I know a victor wem ben yana a yarnis rookie.

01:03:01.77
youcantcompthis
Do they have a Yanis rookie in there.

01:03:07.50
Adz
Or I was gonna say ah of ah Victor Wemb benana first a no autograph? um yeah, like it's at what like knowing which plays they like but Then're knowing what cards are good.

01:03:12.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah, um.

01:03:25.31
Adz
So it should be a let's let's learn more about the hobby and take and learn to take care of what we do, but not take their enjoyment away from it. So and I love the I Love the facilitating being the procurement ah manager so to speak.

01:03:41.76
youcantcompthis
So yeah.

01:03:44.16
Adz
When it comes to to products and we all know how much kids like to spend their pocket money and go down to the shop and buy pack cards. Um, maybe having a box of products that you can say you know what? if you don't want to go down. You can you can spend your pocket money through.

01:03:50.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, um.

01:04:01.45
Adz
Through me or give me your money I'll go down and buy you a pack. You can you can sell it that way that you're going down to buy a pack and have a box stored but sometimes they just want to go to the shop and buy a pack and I think at that point it needs to come down to common sense because if you're out and about. You're not going to have a top loader. You're not going to be able to look after it if you pull a one of 1 just buy a pack of hoops just buy a pack of hoops. We're not going to buy a pack of a yeah yeah yeah, but yeah, that was um, that's really good I like I like the ah the the.

01:04:23.26
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

01:04:28.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, thanks for the question James.

01:04:37.25
Adz
The the bigger picture there because it it is. We're shaping the collectors of the future and um, they might be kids today but they won't be but yeah, awesome. Ah, really good. Really good question James thanks. Do you have anything else.

01:04:50.42
youcantcompthis
Just to say? Thank you thank you? Everyone for a lovely show. Thank you Adam for a lovely show. See you all at EJCards I think so that's right.

01:04:54.50
Adz
Thank you for for another another great episode when's that is that this coming Sunday this Sunday the fourth of February what times it kick off 10 a m I think it's ten or eleven. Yeah.

01:05:10.31
youcantcompthis
10 a m hang on a second let me check my calendar now.

01:05:14.38
Adz
Double check I'll be down I'll probably get down there at about 11 let's be real.

01:05:16.97
youcantcompthis
No, you weren't you I say that new luck 2 hours late yeah fashionably late 10 a m to 6 I believe yep.

01:05:21.30
Adz
2 2 2 three o'clock turn up bit late. Oh I could get there early who knows could be fashionably late fashionably early 10 to 6 d two oclock's fine I'll try and get there at ten past two

01:05:37.48
youcantcompthis
I bet you a pack of I bet you a pack of hoops you won't be there at 10 a pack of hoops all right fine and if you're not I get a pack of hoops.

01:05:39.73
Adz
I don't know I what do we get if I get there at ten o'clock all right? you're on, you're on, you're on you're on done done.

01:05:56.17
youcantcompthis
I've won this bit. That's the easiest pack of hoops I've ever won you just get them from EJCards one

01:05:56.72
Adz
Have to go and get Russell Packer hoops all right. We could let's see I'll buy them on the day. Ask for a dis here use promo code sorry I'm late a checkout.

01:06:14.38
Adz
Oh God Ah thanks everybody for for sticking around for another great episode. We'll Um, yeah, we'll see you next week see yeah.

01:06:19.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah Bye by.