Episode 128, Prizm, Donruss No Autograph Part 2, Kawhi Leonard Feature, Luka Doncic, Kevin Durant, Panini Replacement

Episode 128: Adam and Russell recap the EJ Sports trade day
- Go back over the early release of Prizm and the hobby implications of the 'No Autograph' on Prizm values. 
We have some brief hobby chatter on a variety of topics including
- Luka RC Prizm Silver's, PSA 10-2 for $2500
- Card comparison: KD vs Luka
- Kabooms for under $250 AUD
- Basketball card fanatic adam gray: @thereal27guy
- Panini replacement feel good story
- Panini issuing optic sparkle packs
- Donruss No Autograph list: 
Wembanyama, Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker,  Taylor Hendricks, Jett Howard, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, Jalen Hood-Schifino,  Jaime Jaquez Jr., Cam Whitmore, Nick Smith Jr.

- Kawhi Leonard feature: we break down his amazing career and where he sits in the hobby space.  Some of his notable cards; 2012 prizm,   2012 NT RPA /199 14.4 K, 2017 blank $265, 2016 Excalibur kaboom $416,  2019 one and one downtown 295, 2017 court kings aurora 93 and 2011 sp authentic (college uniform) $95. 

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Transcript

00:00.00
Adz
I could have just come to yours and done.

00:09.11
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 128 of the you can't comp this Mba trading card podcast we host Adam Amie and Russell Gibson and what did you get up to today russell.

00:23.24
youcantcompthis
I went down to EJ cards today Adam what did you do today.

00:28.52
Adz
That's right, we were both in ej cards for their lovely trade day. Um, that was a good day stinking hot today and I'll tell you what it was nice and cool in the shop but it was um.

00:34.00
youcantcompthis
Ah, yeah, massive turnout I'll say that's the biggest I'm trying my hardest not to talk about the weather but God it was hot today. Yeah yeah.

00:47.16
Adz
It was. It was nice in the store I think was my observation and like the the drinks. So yeah, grabbed a bottle of water straight off the bat. Yes, yes, everyone was taking.

00:51.38
youcantcompthis
The air conditioning on the drinks looked empty. That was my observation as I was leaving? yeah.

01:03.17
Adz
Advantage of the the drinks on offer.

01:04.59
youcantcompthis
Yes, I would say for me onwards and upwards at Ej cards they've got more cards out on display to look at they've reorganized their cabinets Now they've got the the game machine in there. They've got more cards in their locked cabinet. You know for you to browse at.

01:13.10
Adz
Yeah.

01:21.48
Adz
O.

01:22.59
youcantcompthis
You know they're sort of more higher end cards. They've got a lot more product to city on the shelf and it seemed to me too that they've got a bit more sort of varied so they've got Mba. They've got soccer now they've got some star wars on the shelf and you can really see Carson is filled.

01:37.63
Adz
Um, yeah.

01:38.80
youcantcompthis
Feel like there's now like a dividing line between Mba and pokemon in the shop and Carson has really you know filled that space out so it looks fantastic. So good on the boys as always for putting that on. Thank you for your hospitality for your drinks you know for your pizza that was just you know, amazing and I think.

01:46.11
Adz
It's faint right? Yeah and it was good. Good.

01:58.15
youcantcompthis
There's a lot of people in there just trading cards actually just looking through other people's collections and having a chat. So yeah and some familiar faces I think that's the thing too I've sort of met a few people now seen them 3 or 4 times I you know remember the yeah. So.

02:03.40
Adz
It's really good to see a lot of lot of trading happening. Yeah.

02:15.52
youcantcompthis
Yep, thanks for a great day. Everyone I think that's the best way to say it sponsorship news from EJCards they're they're back on board we had Rob and I had a really fantastic conversation today. So they're ongoing you know and into the future. The other thing that Rob has finally.

02:16.24
Adz
Yeah, it was good lot of fun.

02:31.31
Adz
Yep.

02:34.52
youcantcompthis
I end out too and I have been nagging him about this for a little while. So I Rob I'm sorry mate I do apologize for the the nag but he's also sorted out a promo code. So the promo code offer is basically free express shipping on anything.

02:42.49
Adz
Excellent.

02:51.69
youcantcompthis
Over $50 that your order is it does have a couple of exclusions on there in that.

02:54.30
Adz
Yep.

03:05.48
youcantcompthis
It's a onetime use per customer and the only exclusions are case lots of supplies which I can understand I think that's pretty reasonable I think if you're buying a case of 1 touches. You know the shippy on that would probably be quite hefty. So yeah, I'm okay with that.

03:07.77
Adz
Yep.

03:19.85
Adz
Pete Raff fair

03:22.59
youcantcompthis
So I think you know if you're just buying some you know cards and you're buying some boxes and stuff I won't like run off the the promo code on air just for the fact that it's ah it's a chain of letters and numbers. You're never going to remember it anyway. I'll put it all onto social media. You'll need to copy and paste that lads. There's no way that you'll be able to type that in in one go.

03:38.69
Adz
Yep.

03:41.47
youcantcompthis
Um, Rob is working on a more user-friendly promo code for that. But that is still coming so guys you know this is massive. This is something I've been wanting you know for a really long time. so so again thank you so much Rob for all of your support and we hope that the listeners will also now you know, get something you know back.

03:48.23
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

04:00.17
youcantcompthis
From this in this space and that's what you know my ultimate goal was in this space was sort of have this you know win-win for everyone. Basically so yeah, um, the first thing in this week's run sheet is basically the runsheet this week is just all the things that I've just been processing in my head this week so let's start off with prism.

04:04.60
Adz
Yeah, definitely awesome.

04:18.77
youcantcompthis
We did speak about this last week we spoke about prism leaking early. There's been no signs of this being you know, pulled off the shelves as far as I can see it's available for sale on ebay. It's available for sale on Walmart and target in the us right? So there's there's no, there's no coming back. You know the the trains left the station.

04:24.40
Adz
Um, yeah, yep, agreed it's everywhere. Yep.

04:36.28
youcantcompthis
The conversation in my head has been this week though it seems to me that breakers are getting back into doing prism. So and this is a little bit of a change because there was sort of this thing a few years ago where hobby was so expensive so retail became quite breakable because it was very cheap and it was very fun and particularly if you're doing prism.

04:44.20
Adz
Um, yeah.

04:54.89
youcantcompthis
If you're doing say $4 a spot and you hit a silver rookie that was selling for you know one hundred or two hundred dollars you know that was ah like that was a good play but that play sort of died of course and then breakers stop doing retail breaks but now they've come back again I think the big reason for that is because hobby is not out yet.

04:54.94
Adz
Um, yeah.

05:01.77
Adz
Um, yeah.

05:12.93
youcantcompthis
People want to get their hands on it and the Wemby prism stuff is selling like hotcakes.

05:17.20
Adz
They do they want Wembby They want Wembby prisms with curtains and no autographs on them.

05:22.65
youcantcompthis
And a very strong autograph a very strong argument can be made this year is that prism is actually going to be very important because we're not getting the autographs through the other products. So what are people going to be chasing for when b stuff numbered prism stuff numbered.

05:31.76
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well that I actually had a ah chat with um without with our friends. Mr Chris Rippers down at the store today.

05:41.92
youcantcompthis
Imac.

05:49.74
Adz
And and the first the first thing that we ever were talking about is he was talking about our episode last week and how yeah he he would be moving a lot of the unnumbered stuff as far as prism goes with wemby specifically. Um, but numbered stuff just like that's where the the value is yeah yeah.

06:08.81
youcantcompthis
I think the long-term hold on wembby is is the numbered stuff. Yeah, so and speaking of of your source Mr. Rimpus. He has clearly been reading the numbers on the box because he also noted that so normally out of blasts is a number to 25 so this year. There's 2 other numbered parallels coming out of that too and so do I think that that dilutes the product a bit it absolutely of course I I think that but at the same time too. Those cards are still very chaseable and I think you you just you cannot debate that you know in any capacity.

06:27.35
Adz
Oh.

06:35.39
Adz
Yep.

06:43.91
Adz
E.

06:45.90
youcantcompthis
But again the thought that sort of goes through my head is if they're now putting 3 numbered parallels into this how much of this prism blasters are they printing like the it it. Yeah.

06:54.26
Adz
That that that's a very good point but it like even if there's a number to one forty Nine 1 ninety nine 2 forty nine Two Ninety Nine that's still a limited number. Yeah yeah.

07:01.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah I yeah know I I don't argue that. But if you imagine how much they printed last year so now if you're now telling me, there's 3 times more than that like that kind of hurts my head that's like when you're putting you know.

07:11.93
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

07:18.77
youcantcompthis
You' cal like calculating the miles that it is to go into to the sun or something like that. You know what I mean it's just like oh god you know that? yeah that hurts so look just I'll just run through this next bit really quickly. So Walmart has currently got victor wemburn a prism blasters for sale at forty Four ninety nine

07:23.23
Adz
Yeah, it's pretty insane. It's um, it's not actually.

07:38.41
Adz
Yep.

07:38.51
youcantcompthis
They've got cade year at 28 and Paulo at 37 so that for me is ah also a really interesting change of mindset because that's more something you would see traditionally at say hobby shops not at retail shops. So even retail is cottoning onto the the different value of products which I think is is good.

07:48.46
Adz
Yeah. Is I wonder if it's the it's where they're sourcing her from or is the other the the wholesalers changing the prices who's who's the 1 changing. The price is my question that yeah true.

07:56.52
youcantcompthis
Object.

08:03.57
youcantcompthis
I think it's a little from column a and column b but someone like Walmart with you know the buying power that they've got I would actually suspect that they'll be setting the prices because.

08:13.21
Adz
Um, yeah.

08:16.84
youcantcompthis
And this also goes back to to you know how people the longer they're in the hobby the sort of the smarter they get I would also put this down to Wal-mart just being smarter in that hobby space like and they would have the numbers to to back this out bad like can you imagine how much stuff would go through their doors. Yeah.

08:25.15
Adz
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's It's actually quite yeah, phenomenal to think about that.

08:36.51
youcantcompthis
Checking resale prices. Oh this is the part that really got me thirty four usd forty one 46 one hundred and seventeen usd for three I'm talking about wenby prison blasts at the moment 38 ninety one posted for 2 and that includes.

08:44.96
Adz
There are all M B ones? yep.

08:51.40
youcantcompthis
But included postage. So if you cannot get access to Walmart and Target because people from overseas can have a lot of trouble doing that the easy play is ebay and this is where I'm going to be heading because my target account got canceled they decided they weren't goingnna ship to for.

09:00.66
Adz
Yep.

09:10.14
Adz
To Australia. Ah, okay, yeah, but they still they didn't yeah okay.

09:11.10
youcantcompthis
To forwarding boxes anymore. Yeah, it was too much fraud going on in that space. So even though you know my account was very well established obviously had like a good buying record with them. Yeah I couldn't make any more purchases. So so.

09:24.61
Adz
Okay, this sort of cracking down on that. Yeah.

09:26.97
youcantcompthis
So look initially when I went onto Walmart and Target obviously I was disappointed and now that I've seen the ebay sold prices. You know, look so for people who are you know listening at home I think that's definitely a you know a play to be had there so anything else you wanted to add to this prism conversation ad before we move on.

09:29.15
Adz
Yeah.

09:43.90
Adz
Oh look I think it's um, it'll be interesting to see what happens when it stabillis I know Wembbys are very unique. So when it's one of those players. It's always interesting to see what the product does Um, but yeah, like don't.

10:01.60
Adz
The the message that I'm getting is there's enough product. So don't get fomo and pay exorbit amounts for for cards. That's what I mean like there's gonna be product available. Yeah, there'll be product available will get.

10:07.55
youcantcompthis
Well if this if this triple of last year man like there's so much product. You know we're going to be newde playing noodles with this stuff. Yeah, yeah.

10:20.98
Adz
Access to it remember this is this is like Walmart like leaking product early. There will be more product.

10:28.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah, they probably leaked it because they had nowhere else to put it their warehouse was so full of it. You know that's the actually I I do have 1 more thing to say I forgot to say this so at the moment australian retailers are selling it for very varied prices from.

10:34.46
Adz
That's true. That's true. But yeah, like it. Yeah.

10:45.73
youcantcompthis
Hundred aud for a blaster even up to 170 so I think that's my other motivation for it. So I think look if you're paying around a hundred Aussie dollars for one that's actually not outrageous because but if you think about it. So if you pay let's just say you pay $40 usd and then you have to play postage.

10:49.19
Adz
Yep.

10:54.23
Adz
Yeah.

11:03.88
youcantcompthis
You might get stung by the taxman at the border that's close enough to one hundred bucks anyway so that's probably not too bad I think once you're getting up into that one fifty one seventy Mark though yeah I think you probably could pay play the long game and yeah, go somewhere else all right following on from this same prism.

11:13.27
Adz
Then it starts to get a bit its start ask questions Really yep yep.

11:23.40
youcantcompthis
Conversation but a very very different theme this is from nba hotspot worldwide trade and sell cards. This is the page that's run by Raymond who who was very kind enough to come onto the podcast a while back look I love this page thirty four thousand members I will say the.

11:34.72
Adz
Yep.

11:40.34
youcantcompthis
Activity on the pages died off dramatically but still every post that comes up on this page is a notification for me because look I get so many notifications on Facebook I figure what's another you know, 2 or three more a day this is from Devin Michael Luka Prism rookie card silver psa 10 lot of 2

11:41.63
Adz
Oh.

11:52.15
Adz
Yeah, exactly.

11:59.98
youcantcompthis
Two Thousand five hundred but for both look I browsed past it I thought that was fine. What I really found interesting about this was the comments I'm not going to read our names because for confidentiality you guys can find this on the page though easily just search it up crazy with a capital k I remember these were 7 to 8000 each

12:11.36
Adz
Yeah.

12:16.85
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true true crazy Meica. Yep yep.

12:18.46
youcantcompthis
This guy selling them for one thousand two hundred and fifty so we were talking about this last week this is I feel like this is a bit of a continuation for last week we'll we'll talking about pop counts right? read through some of the comments down through here at these will be worth 600 each in the coming years just a matter of time before the market. Equilibrium kicks in.

12:40.49
Adz
That's a that's a okay yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

12:44.97
youcantcompthis
The reply was you're entitled to your opinion but don't be negative on the post. It's not about being positive or negative. It's Mark Equilibrium and economics the psa 10 base has a pop of 20000 and pc 9 has 15000 these cards will be readily available for the next fifty years those will eventually bounce out to 50 apiece.

13:05.39
Adz
Wow! This is like I'm I'm gonna say I'll wait in and say I don't think it's appropriate to put it on someone's sale post to to to sort of point out what you think the economics are I think it does draw that negativity vibe to it but he's got a point.

13:22.26
youcantcompthis
So I think I agree with that but I would also say to if you put stuff up on Facebook that's what's gonna happen people are gonna comment on. Yeah, if you want a sal post with no comments you go to ebay or you go to you know PWCc

13:31.11
Adz
You put it in a public forum you get the? um yeah yeah, true true. Um, just quickly John John o michaels in the cones I know someone who bought 3 of the 10 k ausie each like yeah they were they were they were.

13:43.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

13:48.67
Adz
Very hot commodities and yeah for the pop count whoo.

13:51.66
youcantcompthis
Just going down in the comments. So I think what? essentially what 1 person is saying is those they're going to go down what another person then further down says assuming demand for all cards is equal is the flaw of this argument and that's probably the part where I'm maybe not so bullish about. Now. We're going to talk about quite leonard later in the show and I think pop is going to come into this in a really big way and actually maybe what we could do is we could put Luka in I haven't got Luka in that conversation. What we could do is we could put Luca into that and we could take this around full circle. So why don't we leave this here for the minute look I actually thought this was.

14:11.73
Adz
Um, yeah.

14:25.56
Adz
Um.

14:30.30
youcantcompthis
Ah, really interesting thought piece I get what you're saying about the negativity but I was more looking at it was more about. Yeah so like why don't we look into the future about this, you know like I think that's a good conversation to be had you know? So yeah, all righty sliding into Kd versus Lucas so this is from.

14:32.50
Adz
The actual the actual comments. Yeah.

14:41.78
Adz
Um, yeah for sure.

14:48.77
youcantcompthis
Our friends at card ladder Kevin Durant Bowman Chrome 2007 gold refractor psa ten sold for 13800 or would you rather have the Luca Don Chi number to 199

14:59.80
Adz
Ah.

15:05.90
Adz
Yep.

15:06.41
youcantcompthis
The blue prism also ps a 10 that's sold for 13100

15:08.47
Adz
Ah I'll take the luca That's right, you heard it here first I've just said I will take the luka. No, it's a color match. So I've got to ah ah, it's like it's a color match.

15:17.86
youcantcompthis
I Feel like I've finally broken you down actually and like ah it has nothing to do with the play. It does it like.

15:27.57
Adz
It's numbered. yeah yeah I think I think the Luca um like not saying that the Kevin Durant's a bad card. But yeah, no I I think yeah I think the Luca.

15:40.18
youcantcompthis
So the the gold refractor is actually numbered to ninety nine and I should have really said that before to be fair and to 10 that's your initial thought isn't it. Yeah I have to say.

15:47.52
Adz
Oh true true gold you see normally gold. Ah, it's funny gold to to 10 with with prism. Yeah yeah, but Bowman is very different. Yeah now Bowman Bowman is um is is 2007 Bowman Chrome interesting

16:05.86
youcantcompthis
I've got to tell you man I think the more underrated person in this in this equation is Kevin Durant particularly in the hobby area I think he cops a lot of bad publicity and the irony is for me how I feel about this is I actually think the prospect in Carter is the Luca.

16:13.29
Adz
Yeah.

16:22.57
youcantcompthis
All the arguments that you've made on previous shows that you know he's done a lot of cool stuff. But what has he actually done whereas Durant has a very established you know regime now. So.

16:23.27
Adz
Ah.

16:26.50
Adz
What is he actually done. Yeah, yeah, and but he still doesn't have the hobby love which concerns me with you know what? I mean like his champion. The the championship side of things is. A bit of a sticking point for Kd because he went to the warriors and just got given a championship right.

16:49.85
youcantcompthis
No I don't agree with that I think actually with that Katie They wouldn't have got those 2 chips look at.

16:55.14
Adz
I just think he's yeah, probably probably but I just think I think k d's narrative is very different to Lucas Lucas trying to build a brand as a playup for Dallas and he hasn't succeeded at that yet because he doesn't have an Mvp and he hasn't got a championship but.

17:05.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

17:14.29
Adz
He's also let under 25 years of age.

17:15.48
youcantcompthis
And also yes, and in addition to that. It's very hard to actually be your own champion like like how many people have actually you know how long did it take your team to do it. How long did it take Jordan to do it. You know.

17:23.20
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true true I just think k d um, there was a point there where Kevin Durant kind of just lost the plot. Um on socials with the burner account stuff and I just thought the narrative of his.

17:38.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but in saying that clearly the narrative isn't that negative in that someone's spent fourteen Thousand usd on this card right? Hey just first segue of the show is the actual narrative.

17:40.80
Adz
Career took a turn.

17:46.84
Adz
Guy can play basketball.

17:54.69
youcantcompthis
The story now of the golden state worries is that if draymond green had better people management skills. They would have won more championships because if he could have managed the whole Kd you could have managed these emotions a bit better. You know not kicking people in the nuts and punching them and clotheslining them.

18:07.93
Adz
Oh.

18:13.13
youcantcompthis
Would they actually have been like more successful. That's a hot take.

18:15.51
Adz
That's actually quite reasonable I like that I like that.

18:21.99
youcantcompthis
All right this next one's a really quick 1 from Mba card market show me your kabooms for under two fifty

18:31.59
Adz
Um, are there any weeds tumble weeds wait wait someone put up a cam reddish best offer accepted a hundred dollars us

18:32.14
youcantcompthis
No moving moving on to the next.

18:41.25
youcantcompthis
They should have bought that at that price they come on that you that is the annoying thing about comps right? isn't it. It's like if you wanted that price. Why didn't you go into the ebayin buy it instead of telling me about my carb which I've got in my hand that you know.

18:56.95
Adz
Yeah, exactly exactly.

19:00.78
youcantcompthis
So everyone please get out your phone. Please go on to Instagram and type in this in your search bar. The real 27 guy this is Adam Gray he is a content creator. He does a range of different content. This is not a paid advertisement either by the way guys. This is just someone that I love on Instagram and now listen to his podcast. He also makes a magazine I was reading it an old edition today at ej cars they just had 1 on the shelf and I was like I know what that is that's by Adam Gray pass it over to me when I have a look at it check out his Instagram check out his podcast.

19:28.95
Adz
Okay.

19:38.94
youcantcompthis
Check out his magazine. We are trying to get him onto the show and the other thing I want to do with this guy too is try and get his magazine distributed in Australia say we can get a distribution deal sorted out with Ej Cards you can go in there and buy one off the shelf like they're just sitting there like you know becketss used to be sitting in the news agents like that will be sick look i.

19:53.46
Adz
Yeah, that would be that That's ah I like that I Really really really like that.

20:00.34
youcantcompthis
He's informative. He he doesn't do you know the the terror tactics and all that type of stuff that you get in media. He just does really good stuff. Yeah Adam Gray check him out.

20:08.83
Adz
Yeah.

20:12.20
youcantcompthis
A Feel-good Panini story is coming up next. This is a story about a replacement card.

20:18.74
Adz
Hang on hang on a ah what feel good what Penini story most of the ones we've done have been good replacement stories actually with vaniti.

20:20.42
youcantcompthis
Look some of these replacement stories. We've done a few of these to be fair. There's been horror stories I'm not going to tell you there's not but there's also good ones and I like to talk about the good ones. So.

20:32.63
Adz
Yeah, look the the bad ones are yeah time it doesn't.

20:37.83
youcantcompthis
This is from a member of Mba card market. He had an Anthony Edwards select ah rpa.

20:43.89
Adz
Nice looking card.

20:45.47
youcantcompthis
He waited six months before he submitted in for replacement and they still came good on it. The thing that he mentioned about which I actually thought was really interesting was when they sent it back to him. It had the pinini seal on it which he he quite liked about that. So that's a really like. Interesting little twist for me too because I actually hate stickers on 1 touches. That's one of my like pet hobby peeves particularly all these breakers that are like Willy Nily putting them on I think they should give you $5 break credit for you replacing the one touch they give you.

21:05.46
Adz
Yeah.

21:22.32
Adz
Shots fired shots fired.

21:27.40
youcantcompthis
Ah, just grinds my gears anyway.

21:28.20
Adz
But the Penini seal does doesn't.

21:36.43
youcantcompthis
I I prefer it without I'll leave the panini seal on because it's good that it's panini seled but in saying that it still doesn't mean the card's going to gem like I've taken cards out of a panini seal send it off to p say come back piece a 9 You know what? I mean so it's not as ah.

21:41.53
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

21:52.54
Adz
Um, yeah, we've got in the chat. Um Sean Callens we had a member ah that had a gold number to 10 Lucca Redemption and benini replaced it with eleven and a half thousand reward points.

21:54.40
youcantcompthis
What does it really mean. It's just a you know Panini Seal look.

22:08.75
youcantcompthis
I Don't think that's a good deal because the problem with the points at the moment is that you go onto the store. It's a pretty bare shelf.

22:10.75
Adz
I Feel like that's a bit of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:20.34
Adz
What's because they're there. There's no point in having anything on the store thens only what they're only in operation for another year and a half

22:22.56
youcantcompthis
Well no, but what happens so what will happen is though they put out a newsletter and they say these are the cards that are coming up and then people get on there and redeemed I mean in 2 seconds right so are they bots or are they people though sometimes they're so fast I don't know so the problem is with 11000

22:31.11
Adz
Just camp for it. Yeah yep, yeah same people are buying stuff from walmart.

22:41.35
youcantcompthis
Probably the problem with 11000 is you know what can you get for that 11000 that will be heartbreaking so this next one this is what I wanted to talk to you about and this one I'm not too sure is this good or is this bad so panini is definitely clearing their backlog and they've been very active in the last few months about this.

22:44.50
Adz
Oh yeah.

22:57.45
Adz
Yep.

23:00.00
youcantcompthis
I suspect they're probably cleared another 10000 redemptions because they've just issued optic sparkle packs which is really a derivative of the white sparkle packs that they will sometimes sell on their on their shop for dollars and they also sell them for for points too. So.

23:05.69
Adz
And chain.

23:13.34
Adz
Yep, those lovely Penini points.

23:17.32
youcantcompthis
If you get points and you get a sparkle pack I would actually say that's an excellent, excellent play but not for a luca card for obvious reasons. So they are really aiming at low end cards for these so actually for me this is I'm going to Mark this down as a win for collectors because.

23:20.74
Adz
Um, yep, yeah, fair fair.

23:36.62
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

23:37.30
youcantcompthis
I Like the aesthetics of optics I like the the feel of optic I think the actual the make of the card is pretty good and I am also quite a sucker for these like sparkle cards that are you know, relatively short print So you know the issue I have with this so is it really depends on the redemption that you had and then what you get back from the packet because if you had you know.

23:45.80
Adz
Ah.

23:47.73
Adz
Yeah.

23:57.60
youcantcompthis
Ah, medium to to good redemption and then you get nothing out of the packet that that's kind of breaks your heart. But in the instance of my buddy who I was putting the redemption in for it was K to be bates Duop Now he gets to open up a sparkle pack So you know he's wrapped I've got another friend that had this is a.

24:10.84
Adz
Yeah, for sure for sure.

24:16.47
youcantcompthis
This is where I want to lead the conversation to Joe Ingle's autograph or patch autograph don't quote me on this and then he got a sparkle pack that had a blue polo benchur in it. So that's you know that's a hit but this is a sticking point. Some people are actually saying well.

24:25.32
Adz
Oh Wow. Okay, yeah.

24:34.68
youcantcompthis
Athletes never received the cards or in the last ten years why have they not resolved this you know redemption you know what's going on in that space is it actually cheaper for them to make these sparkle packs and just send them out to people then you know chase up all these athletes where are you out with that type of story.

24:42.40
Adz
Um, yeah.

24:48.50
Adz
Quite quite possible. Yeah look I think um I think they're trying to work smarter not harder with the like the logistics behind getting redemption autographs and things.

24:56.90
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah.

25:01.83
Adz
You can't sort of over promise under deliver which is what panini did in the beginning with the redemption program I think these promises to get them filled. You don't know it's hit and miss. Um, and I think yeah if it's a known quantity If you've got a few out there then.

25:05.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so.

25:20.65
Adz
Then maybe have something else having having something like the redemption. The sparkle packs is a really good idea I think no one likes the bad feel story of waiting on a redemption and not getting that redemption card.

25:31.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look I think it depends on the redemption like caterates dop who cares like yes, a pack is right? But if you collect Joe Engels and you wanted that autograph card like that is highly unsatisfactory particularly if you've been that person who's waited 5 years you know that's rough like i.

25:48.35
Adz
Um, yeah, that's very rough.

25:51.20
youcantcompthis
I do I do feel for collectors particularly you know someone who's you know pecing Joe Engels you know or whoever it is like that I don't think that really matters to be honest I will say though they must have one enormous backlog if they're producing a new set just to take care of that said backlog like.

25:54.39
Adz
That tree.

26:05.55
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

26:09.71
youcantcompthis
You know we're talking about Prison Blaster level here aren't we.

26:11.49
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true god.

26:19.60
youcantcompthis
All right? So last week this is ah, really a part 2 of this of this segment we were speaking about the Don Russ no autograph and I think in parts of the episode I was calling him a non-autograph but excuse my french or bad english but the correct phrase is actually no autograph. But. Let's move on from that. What was really bugging me was yeah, that's that's fair. So what was really bugging me was initially I actually thought this was like a joke or it was false news because.

26:37.83
Adz
I Thought the the true way to call. It is bloody ridiculous. But yeah.

26:52.75
youcantcompthis
The first post I saw was from China so I was you know I was very much skeptical about the whole thing and then when David John Dj's cards pulled one I was like there's no way this guy would make it up. They hit a victor. No autograph card and I was like right? Okay, so this is legit.

26:54.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:01.87
Adz
Yeah, this is actually this is this is concerning. Yep.

27:09.92
youcantcompthis
I did find a few of them but I didn't list them all off and that's what's been bugging me this week so I found the entire list and actually guys if you want to look at this at home. Just go to cardboard connection. The autograph list is there and then no autographs is found under insert so just click on the inserts tab and it's all there so look. This is not rocket science. But. Here we go victor Brandon Miller scoot Henderson Anthony Black which is pick number 6 pick number eight Juris Walker for the paces pick number 9 Taylor Hendrix pick 11 Jet Howard pick 13 Grady Dick pick 14 Jordan Hawkins pick Seventeen Jan hood

27:37.89
Adz
Oh.

27:48.18
youcantcompthis
S excuse my pronunciation s scffino for the Lakers pick eighteen Jamie Jasquez which we spoke about last week this is ah this is a problem in my opinion I think that guy's going to be significant pick twenty Cam Whitmore and 27 Nick Smith Junior who I've got on my fantasy team and I think he's like a deep cut smoky.

27:49.56
Adz
Um, yeah Hawk is.

28:00.38
Adz
Um, ah.

28:08.10
youcantcompthis
All of these guys are no autographs. So yeah, well out of the top 10 3 4 Yeah it your math is correct and at 6 So.

28:08.30
Adz
So there's a big thing there that that's 6 of the top 10 are not did not sign.

28:24.38
youcantcompthis
I Think if you're walking away from the negotiation table and you've just signed up all those guys and Panin doesn't have them that is such a victory for fanatics isn't it.

28:35.48
Adz
Yeah, well think about it. It's like okay panini. So which ones you which draft picks have you got autographs for and they're like 4 5 7 and 10 great selling point. Um, yeah.

28:41.25
youcantcompthis
Like 70 Yeah.

28:48.67
youcantcompthis
So and and again we did speak about this last week but I think this is again a continuous continuation on. So if you're a consumer and you're going into breaks and all you're buying sealed product. How much this is affect you. So.

28:56.59
Adz
Ah.

29:04.60
Adz
Um.

29:08.80
youcantcompthis
The victor wembburnards sold for a thousand usd no autograph twice we were talking about this offair. So and now people just considering this a short printed victor card that actually is collectible where are you at with that though, like do you think that's.

29:11.90
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:19.67
Adz
Yeah I think so if there's not going to be an actual autograph.

29:25.66
youcantcompthis
Ah, good play. Do you think that's a bad play. Do you just think this is the nature of the beast and we have to get used to it where you and.

29:29.13
Adz
I Feel like and for the next couple of years. That's what we're This is what we're gonna be in and around with the the transition between fanatics and yeah I know and that's that's concerning is this fanatics's attempt to.

29:35.98
youcantcompthis
Because we've still got one more year of this after this year right.

29:46.37
Adz
Force an early transition or I don't know I think it's I think there's some interesting moves happening but the other the other question is does that make what prism more more relevant this year because we that's what that that was what we lent to.

30:09.61
youcantcompthis
It makes me think that prism is doubly more important to the Chase cards in this.

30:17.28
Adz
Prism but even just rookie card like just just just limited number Rookie cards because there is no autograph for these future stars like say.

30:20.80
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, there is no yeah, not yeah, like.

30:31.21
Adz
All right? We we get that weby. You'll probably be like 1 of those generational talents. We've got that. But even if scoot is or Miller is they're not going to have a rookie autograph that's. Crazy in this day and age I just yeah I feel like with the collectors are actually missing out in a sense. Um, yeah, it's kind of like mom mum and dad are fighting and the kids are going to miss out on an autograph card.

30:48.92
youcantcompthis
No definitely.

30:57.21
youcantcompthis
That I agree with 100% that was actually my next point I was going to make you know the real losers here are the yeah yeah, definitely.

31:07.95
Adz
And just sort it out guys come on have an amicable transition and I feel like fanatics is trying to sort of have a swing to try and 1 fell swoop get rid of panini or. Initiate an early takeover of the of the of the hobby. But yeah I feel like we're suffering. Yeah.

31:28.10
youcantcompthis
It does createt. It does create a void in terms of where you put your money doesn't it. So if if we move forward in releases. So we go to noir ah you know they do make some nice rpas in that space. So there's not going to be 1 for Victor There's not go be 1 for scoot. That's not go be 1 for brand and Miller so you know where yeah where where do you put your cash through so either numbered prism stuff is going to be through the roof or people aren't going to be spending and that's the.

31:46.50
Adz
They're all Rps not Rpa's yeah

32:02.88
youcantcompthis
That's the other I think eventuality too and we've spoken about you know where is a hobby going to be going for the next two years maybe this is something that we actually haven't discussed with enough vigor. What is the impact of the no autographs going to be on the hobby for the next two years

32:05.65
Adz
Um, yeah.

32:12.42
Adz
Yeah,, that's True. I Don't know created some some fun and games people were putting base cards up and just putting masking tape over the top and writing no autograph Um, just yeah I think so there's a lebron bases or something and it's It's a bit of a joke I don't know I just.

32:25.30
youcantcompthis
Um, again, that was David John right yeah Yeah

32:36.28
Adz
Ah, don't like the fact that it says no autograph on it Just don't put an autograph on it. Don't put in the checklist.

32:45.58
youcantcompthis
Um.

32:46.80
Adz
Make a different checklist.

32:47.70
youcantcompthis
Remember when Paris said 1 of the biggest scams of the last few is was all the like the billion or however, many hundred millions of dollars came out of the value of the zion rookie silvers and all that stuff.

33:00.85
Adz
Um, yeah.

33:02.87
youcantcompthis
How much money is not going to be put into the hobby because of this no autograph situation I Wonder if this is the same but you know almost in reverse. Um.

33:10.32
Adz
Yeah I think it'll be it'd be interesting. Yeah actually got um Sean again in the comments pivotal point in the destruction of panini I think it will be an iconic card long term.

33:21.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

33:24.56
Adz
And you're right? probably with the the all publicity is publicity in itself. Um, there is a chance that this becomes an iconic recognized rookie card even though it doesn't have an autograph on it.

33:28.12
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

33:32.51
youcantcompthis
On yep. Look I think that opinion is is actually really valuable because I'm really struggling at the moment to see how a thousand dollars on that card is a good spend like I'm not going to lie to do I think in you know, five years time that could be two hundred bucks yeah I really do think that. But.

33:44.57
Adz
Um, yeah, a great great.

33:53.62
Adz
Very much. So yeah, yeah I am I'm just disappointed that we're not going to see certain players in their rookie year not have an autograph rookie card and I think that's disappointing for the fans.

33:56.46
youcantcompthis
You know I'd love to be wrong and it's a $2000 card yeah

34:06.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so for me I wanted to get some Anthony Black I wanted to get some jet how they're the ones I'm kind of like well that will be like nice prospecting so that's a bit of a dent for me. Definitely.

34:10.23
Adz
It's disappointing for the Hobby The the collectors in the hobby.

34:21.75
Adz
Yeah.

34:24.20
youcantcompthis
And it sort of makes me look further down the list so is cooler Baley someone else I'll be looking at instead I got to say the team I think at the moment to take in PYT's though if you're just looking at the next day Autograph list is the Maverick so you've got Luca potential. You've got chiri potential.

34:30.00
Adz
Is this true? Um, yeah.

34:41.14
youcantcompthis
You've got pick 12 which is Derek Lively who's looking really good and they're not that much further down the list here.

34:41.69
Adz
Oh.

34:48.39
Adz
Is there another Maverick.

34:50.19
youcantcompthis
They got 2 picks this year

34:58.20
Adz
Oh I yeah ah number 24

34:58.30
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, so you know yeah I reckon.

35:05.19
Adz
And pronounce his name Oliver Ma senses yeah

35:12.29
youcantcompthis
Olivier Mas Prosper that's that's my attempt. So look I got to say to you if I'm going into one of these breaks I think I would rather go with a team like that than the no autograph way I think magic for me is gonna be pretty tough.

35:25.75
Adz
Um, yeah, and yeah, a grade a grade.

35:29.16
youcantcompthis
Yep, all right? This next segment is about Koleard and this is being in our run sheett for about a month and I just done no prep work. So it's it's basically just sat there.

35:39.50
Adz
It's time to time to address time to address Kawa now that he has been selected as an All-star reserve.

35:44.36
youcantcompthis
The time is impeccable. Actually so look. There's 2 reasons for this I wanted to talk about it. So just I also want to set the the background before I go into all the the running off of the stats number 1 is actually I love big 3 s.

35:55.88
Adz
Let's do it.

36:03.96
youcantcompthis
And normally I froth saw them and when the big 3 ofwa Paul George and James Harden got to big we we barely talked about it and I think my bias was that I didn't think anything was going to happen I thought you know Kwy would get injured again. Paul got George get injured again James Harden would be.

36:21.46
Adz
Um.

36:22.44
youcantcompthis
Twenty Five Kilograms overweight and then you'd just be shooting step back threes that were airport. You know something like that. But it's actually been the opposite. So I think we need to give the clip iss props you know where they are there. What 15 games above 500 at the moment they're a shoe in.

36:28.17
Adz
Um, it doesn't happen until after the Allstar weekend.

36:37.10
Adz
They're doing very well there they did. Yeah they have um.

36:39.61
youcantcompthis
A shoe inim make the the playoffs I think they're only going to get better as the season goes on I think in terms of continuity and chemistry and then you know the really strong argument to be made here is the you know the boston celtics the year that they won at the first year with like Kevin Garnett

36:42.17
Adz
A grade.

36:52.37
Adz
True.

36:54.59
youcantcompthis
Ray Allen Paul Piarce you had these guys who were just at the right time in their careers where they hadn't really had that much team success but they had a lot of individual success and they sort of put all that aside and became a really good team. So how you make the argument that Kwai Leard is

36:56.97
Adz
Oh.

37:11.27
youcantcompthis
Kevin Garnett particularly with the the vocal leadership part you know I think that's tough but you know what I'm trying to say there with like the 3 sort of more veteran guys there. The other thing I want to talk about too is where does Kwy Leonard sit in terms of the all time rankings and then hobby value wise you know is this guy a good buyer.

37:17.72
Adz
Um, ah yeah.

37:30.80
youcantcompthis
Or is this guy someone that you should stay away from because he's just really overpriced I want to go through a little bit of pricing and then I found a couple of cards I thought might be interesting so all right here come the stats guy. So if you don't want any stats if it's too much for you. Just skip forward a couple of minutes and then come back to the card news. That's totally fine.

37:37.80
Adz
Yeah.

37:49.60
youcantcompthis
12 seasons for the spurs clippers and raptors career averages 19.9 points let's just round it up to twenty six and a half rebounds 3 assists in 671 regular seasons games. So not many games like everyone knows about his injury history. He's played in 5 all-star games and he's just been selected for 6

37:56.20
Adz
Um, yeah.

38:00.17
Adz
Oh.

38:08.84
youcantcompthis
He's won 2 defensive player of the year awards two finals Mvps which I think is very important in terms of all- time relevancy and 2 Mba championships that came from statmuseuse. So thank you very much from nba.com I found this in his twelfth nba season Leonard is averaging career highs in field goal.

38:14.42
Adz
Yep.

38:20.88
Adz
Yep.

38:28.69
youcantcompthis
Percentage Fifty two point six and minutes which I think is very very important 34.4 he currently ranks tired for first in the Nba for plus minus differential at 8 point 4 So that means when you're on the court. What is your teams plus minus.

38:30.76
Adz
Yeah.

38:42.73
Adz
Yeah, so so as opposed to like Jordan pool that's like minus a hundred or something ridiculous.

38:44.57
youcantcompthis
In comparison to when you're on the bench. That's what that is yeah so here's plus minus would be better when he's on the bench so he'd be like probably negative 8.4 possibly

38:53.97
Adz
Yeah, it'd be negative 18.4 he's he's what he's atrocious anyway, back to quiet.

39:01.80
youcantcompthis
Second in Net rating Eleven point six third in steals at one point seven and seventh in deflections per game I love those deflection stats at 3 point one Leonard is the only player in the Nba this season to average 23 points 6 rebounds 3 assists and one and a half steals right now looking at his. Career statistics 2 time defensive player of the year 2 times final and Mvp 5 times all Mba selection 2021 Twenty Twenty Twenty 1917 and 16.

39:26.18
Adz
Ah ha.

39:35.86
youcantcompthis
7 old defensive team selections now this is the one that actually surprised me because I know he's a really good defensive player but I didn't think he'd played enough time to get that many selections. Yeah, he's also a member of the seventy fifth and Mba anniversary team and without chidi looking on the sheet.

39:45.86
Adz
Yep.

39:53.25
youcantcompthis
You know where he finished on that ranking ad yeah.

39:53.86
Adz
Um, in the top 75 I'd be it'd be in the last bracket wouldn't he the last third so twenty five Twenty Five 25 he'd be in the 50 to 75

40:03.46
youcantcompthis
So off the top my head to me was that's where I thought he was they actually ranked him at 30 Fourth yeah and what's really interesting when you look so I looked at a bunch of different lists like rating the top 50 best players the top 40 the top 30 when you go.

40:08.96
Adz
Oh Wow So He's actually in the middle in the higher end of the middle. Oh.

40:22.88
youcantcompthis
In the top 30 So sorry thirty thirty to 39 that's a pretty tough list. So that's like Dwayne Wade ivison you know bobbiite.

40:32.50
Adz
I'm like who else in the in active Mba players is higher than him in that all 75 that'd be oh Lebron he's all right? He go es okay.

40:36.70
youcantcompthis
Well Steph Carrini your joker. Oh yeah, that guy too. Yeah, yeah, he's pretty good but when you get to the 40 s that's when actually there's a massive dip between 30 so 40 is like Reggie Miller and

40:51.74
Adz
Um, yeah, um.

40:55.64
youcantcompthis
You know Ray Allen and Rick Smiths you know like it's a really big you know, drop off so I kind of get that fourteen fifteen steals champ Eleven twelve all Ricky. That's kind of like his career summary right? So that sums that up. So so keeping in mind he's sort of in that like 30 s range so he's 2012 prism which is he's.

40:58.67
Adz
Yeah, Wow. It's just.

41:06.40
Adz
Yep.

41:11.75
Adz
And.

41:15.73
youcantcompthis
Rookie card without the rookie emblem pop of 42 on that is currently selling for 2000 right yeah so let's go back to Luca where there's a lot more than that. Probably.

41:19.77
Adz
Oh that is juicy that is juicy.

41:33.39
Adz
A lot more than that a lot more than that is that is that we're gonna go with. Yeah.

41:34.94
youcantcompthis
Currently trading.

41:40.16
youcantcompthis
Look trading roughly the same price. We're not talking you know multiples of with a resume like that and this is probably the argument that I was trying to work out in my head you know are we undervaluing this guy you know is this guy actually fantastic and.

41:46.83
Adz
Ah.

41:50.51
Adz
Build.

41:59.93
Adz
That Pop count is very um, appealing think that's a right word appealing.

42:00.16
youcantcompthis
No yeah.

42:06.96
youcantcompthis
Okay, and and very and very different to ultra modern I Think that's the.

42:11.40
Adz
Shame it's that twenty twelve rookie year where the the rookie badge bosn on the the prisms.

42:19.92
youcantcompthis
I don't actually think that makes much of a difference because if you look at the gold of that that's sold for the Koilin had sold for $100000 so clearly that's not a problem for people at all. Yeah, so the Lucas pop is now 2272 at last sold for 1200 so we're we're 18 to hunt.

42:28.24
Adz
Um, yeah.

42:39.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

42:39.21
youcantcompthis
$800 apart you know that's I think for the regime made differences. It's a big deal. So I tried to find some other people to try and you know work this out the James Harden Refractor there's number to 99 of this. That's all for 1800 again p a 10 these are all Psa10S the ivison. Pop 36 Chrome Refractor from 9096 that's sold for 15 k that's really interesting to me that for me is more like a social foot phenomenon and than you know resume Dwayne Wade 2003 Topps Chrome Refractor sold for 1100 I'm shocked about that.

43:08.35
Adz
Shasha.

43:15.69
youcantcompthis
But the pop on that is one fifty one. So yeah, so there's a really strong argument. There isn't it. You can say okay, there's 5 times more than these yes I can kind of understand that I tried to find somebody who was like super old school.

43:16.28
Adz
Imagine if the pop count was 1151 Oh.

43:32.61
Adz
In that top 75

43:34.27
youcantcompthis
Had done. He's also in the top 75 I don't actually know what he was on the list I found Isaiah Thomas that was someone that came to my head 1980 s yeah 1986 Fleer this is not his rookie card. But obviously you know the first card that's available piece a 10 sold for five thousand five hundred

43:40.30
Adz
Okay, nice pop count.

43:50.80
Adz
Yep.

43:54.50
youcantcompthis
Pop of 42 which is exactly the same as so quiet landed so look do I think that this card is going to be a $5000 card in near future I I actually I don't do I think this card has got some legs and is goingnna be like a slow burn. Yeah I do I really do.

43:55.89
Adz
Interesting.

44:08.91
Adz
Oh.

44:13.93
youcantcompthis
I Have to say this though to I think this card has bump potential. So if these guys make the finals and he wins another chip I think you could see more gains in the shorter term but where I'm sort of pitching this card is I think this is a.

44:19.27
Adz
I Do too.

44:32.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah I think this is a historical card. Not a not a flip card is that? yeah.

44:32.46
youcantcompthis
Ah, buy and vault card. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm sort of leading with this because I really think that this guy has an all time resume I think 2000 is a lot of money I'm not trying to you know downplay this but I don't think this is.

44:46.36
Adz
Ah.

44:50.93
youcantcompthis
5000 for an Isaiah Thomas Eighty Six Fleer either you know so right? if you can't you don't want to talk about silvers which is some of the criticism we've had of the show ads I found some other cards.

44:52.98
Adz
Yeah, yeah I agree.

45:05.46
youcantcompthis
2012 Mt Rpa number to one ninety Nine sold for $14000 if you want something that's a bit more affordable. Come this way 2017 blank slate for 2 65 2016 Excalibber Kaboom 4 16

45:08.93
Adz
Interesting. Yeah.

45:18.64
Adz
That's very affordable. Yeah, or that's close to that two fifty mark that you wanted.

45:27.58
youcantcompthis
That's a bit more but at the same time we've spoke about my love for kabooms I don't think that's a tragedy. Yeah, my next favorite are coming in these next two though two thousand and nineteen one and one downtown which is just a beautiful.

45:30.42
Adz
I Don't think Kabooms ever go down So that's probably a nice little investment actually.

45:42.23
Adz
Yeah, mass.

45:44.75
youcantcompthis
Design Two hundred and ninety five dollars I like that a lot that's a case it 2017 court Kings Aurora for $93 you know I think if you're wanting something that's sure to print a bit more affordable I've spoke about auroras on the on the show in the past before you know I think these are really good cards. That's something there.

45:54.20
Adz
O.

46:01.13
Adz
Yeah.

46:04.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, psa and cardboard connection. Both wrote articles abouty Leonard and if you google kaileard rookies they'll come up for you easy so have have a bit of a read what psa did pitch though was the 2011 sp authentic which is in a college uniform.

46:09.30
Adz
Yep.

46:19.28
Adz
Yeah, oh.

46:21.18
youcantcompthis
So they're currently trading for less than a hundred bucks in a psa 10 again if this fits your budget and you know you're looking for something that's a bit cheaper the pop on these is low. It's in the 40 s I don't mind this The only thing is that I think you have to say this with a. A very large asterisk next to it. Its college uniform.

46:40.70
Adz
So all right? So a player now we'm not gonna talk about the Lucas or the well actually Luca's only started his career in the one team right? So we're not going to talk about the Steph Curry's the Kobe bryants the Dirk Nowitzkys the loyalists that but Tim Duncans Stay 20 years at the same team right? We're talking about a player that has gone to a lot of different teams. What's the difference if you got a college Jersey. It's not rookie. That's the only difference really.

46:58.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah, my.

47:07.48
youcantcompthis
There is a difference price difference. Yeah, but there is a difference between college and pro people do value pro a lot more I think that's.

47:18.30
Adz
Yeah I mean the rookie year is their first pro year this is before their first pro year that's the downside I guess okay, but I just think there's less yeah less I don't know if if I have a player that's changed teams a bunch of times I probably don't care what they're wearing in their rookie card.

47:23.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but at the same time.

47:35.81
youcantcompthis
I suppose where I'm making the pitch for this though is is price point like is this a good purchase at that price point you know what's the best card you can buy for a hundred usd do I think this is the best card. No I don't but it's got to be.

47:39.00
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure.

47:46.17
Adz
Yes, is it an option. Sure.

47:53.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's got to be in the conversation and also I kind of like those slightly oddball sort of you know, different choices and look keeping in your budget is a really important thing. Ah for me, you know in this in this hobby. So ah, you know I like that I like the aurora getting those 2 for you know sub 100

48:03.74
Adz
A grade for sure.

48:11.57
Adz
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely. Yeah.

48:12.79
youcantcompthis
Usd yeah, look at I think we've got a couple more minutes. Why don't we go onto our Facebook page if you can't cop this in the pinned post. We've got some buy hold sell and people have made some requests for us. So why don't we just.

48:21.96
Adz
Oh.

48:27.71
Adz
Oh I'm I'm in I'm in let's do it on the fly Facebook I've been on that before.

48:33.27
youcantcompthis
Yep, what.

48:37.85
youcantcompthis
All right? The first one is Chris Paul this is a fun one. Not many people like Chris Paul but he's got an amazing career. The 2005 Chrome Refractor P S A 10 population of 23 last sold for 1800 so I think actually this is fantastic timing.

49:10.80
Adz
M.

49:12.64
youcantcompthis
Talking about this. We just spoke about the koai landard I want to get the exact price I really should have done this in the show. So so the silver psa ten is pop 42 and last I've actually lied to you guys like blatantly, it's not 2000 it's 2600 so would you rather to Chris Pauls or would you want.

49:16.33
Adz
There.

49:32.49
youcantcompthis
1 coil in it.

49:37.46
Adz
How much is Chris Paul I almost want Chris Paul

49:42.52
youcantcompthis
1800 so the mass doesn't exactly add up does it? Okay, fine. Let let's say one and a half will chop one and half

49:47.40
Adz
No, but it's.

49:54.90
Adz
Um, um, no won Kawai I want Kawai I want Kawa because Kawai succeeded.

49:55.36
youcantcompthis
Lower pop. Yeah I actually think I actually think that's really good content I know we did that on the fly. But I think that's a fantastic comp. Let's look at Chris Paul let's look at Kai Landard yep Howard Smith he asked for Tiffany Stratton I'm pretty sure she's a wrestler.

50:06.60
Adz
Oh.

50:15.39
youcantcompthis
Howard I'm sorry mate I can't help you with this.

50:20.69
Adz
Yeah I can't help with that either.

50:20.85
youcantcompthis
Or or do you want to give it a go. We'll go to one thirty point and give it a crack. No, we're not going to do this. This is out of my um, professional realm Howard can't can't do it man all right this next one is absolutely delicious and amazing timey taras maxiie this is actually long overdue.

50:27.72
Adz
Out of it out of it tried I think we need to do this one actually? yeah.

50:39.93
youcantcompthis
So like we never speak about the guy on the show. But.

50:42.94
Adz
Yeah, no I'm I'm um I'm keen on maxi at the moment I think a lot of people are.

50:46.15
youcantcompthis
Ah, right, let's set the table on this. Okay, we've spoke about this card already I think we spoke about this car at the $200 Mark we said that Maxe came into league young. He came into the league with an work ethic. That's basically like no others now in beats hurt himself the injury report on this is not out and. Interestingly Philadelphia just got fine like 75 k for not putting in the correct injury report for the Denver game. So it's not like they're new to these games that they play with injury reports and and big could have a torm meniscus which is most likely going to really mount for the rest of the yeah but on the flip side.

51:13.88
Adz
Yeah. Screw the season. No line share of yeah opportunity.

51:24.32
youcantcompthis
That means max's goingnna get 15 more touches again like at least right? Yeah, so he's currently trading at 315 the population. This is three eighty for ultra ultra modern. That's very low.

51:36.80
Adz
Yeah, oh given yeah given recent recent times. Yeah, that is actually quite a reasonable popcamp.

51:44.98
youcantcompthis
Interestingly in the last three months he's down 6% buy hold or sell ad at three fifty yep

51:48.45
Adz
hold hold I think I think he is actually a 4 to $500 player that has potential to be such. He has the potential. But if I've got him at 300 I'm just holding it for now I go.

51:56.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

52:01.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah I like this better than Jordan Poole at a thousand. Let me put it to you this way.

52:11.74
Adz
Um I think Jordan Paul would rather this than his rookie card at the moment now. Jordan Paul loves Jordan Paul ah forgot anybody else there timy d.

52:20.75
youcantcompthis
He does Tim Duncan

52:28.27
Adz
Right? Tim Duncan

52:32.88
youcantcompthis
The really interesting thing about Tim Duncan particularly if you're sorting by value is that his rookie cards actually aren't more value than the pmgs which is probably a really good place to start actually anyway 1997 tops Chrome.

52:49.30
Adz
Tops.

52:51.91
youcantcompthis
Refractor before I even look at the price I'm going to call Lisa sell I I personally put Tim Duncan in the top 10 without even thinking if I sat down and tried to really make a strong argument that he should be top 5 I could probably do that in some capacity.

53:08.87
Adz
Oh.

53:11.15
youcantcompthis
The bgs 9.5 last sold for $10000 so again we're not talking about a small amount of money here like you know it's it's a lot of money. The super interesting thing is the psa ten last sold for five thousand five hundred with a p.

53:21.93
Adz
Um, well.

53:27.29
Adz
It's interesting that the base of pop count on the base is pretty insane so we won't worry about that. Yeah pop count of 107 the refracctor. It's probably a good that's a it's an interesting buy price when was the last sale though.

53:39.13
youcantcompthis
Look I've already said this is a buyer before I even looked at the price I'm sticking with that. Yeah, so it's unknown let me try and find it though. Okay, that's actually not that long ago. Is it.

53:46.64
Adz
September Twenty Twenty three 9

53:55.67
youcantcompthis
In the last two years at cardstown 45% I'm doubling down. It's a strong buy yep strong by Carmelo Anthony

54:01.80
Adz
Strong by.

54:22.14
Adz
Ah.

54:27.20
Adz
Chromebase.

54:35.21
youcantcompthis
Why don't we we can do the Chrome base. Yeah sure that's all we could do say the number to 300 how about that. That's probably that's probably more like a silver isn't it yep bo.

54:35.49
Adz
Is that what we're gonna look at Bowman rookies and stars the Bowman numbers are 300 that's probably a good one pop 6 Yeah.

54:54.12
youcantcompthis
That's going to be tough.

54:57.42
Adz
Hasn't been sold since 2020 sold for six hundred bucks I don't think that's that's gonna be interesting. Yeah.

55:03.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right? The number to 50 sold for 13000 so let's look I'm going to put a number out here and say the number to 300 if it's sold today would probably sell for around 2000

55:20.97
Adz
E.

55:22.96
youcantcompthis
Usd that would be my guess. Yep.

55:25.57
Adz
Fair.

55:26.79
youcantcompthis
If you look at the bgs 9.5 there's actually a bit of sale data there.

55:30.66
Adz
I think I think for me Carmelo's a buy if you collect carmalo I don't think he's someone you just randomly invest in.

55:40.41
youcantcompthis
All right? So it just shows how much I literally know nothing about this hobby at all all right? So if you go to the Chrome refractor number to three hundred bgs nine point five in the last two years there's 4 sales the last sale was in July 23 and it sold for three fifty

55:50.11
Adz
Oh.

55:59.47
Adz
Um, okay.

56:00.28
youcantcompthis
I got to tell you with a population of 10 on the nine point five and then another six on the psa ten I think that is a very strong buy and then yeah because I think the thing with this guy is.

56:08.82
Adz
That's a buy. Yeah if you can pick one up for less than 500 australian it's probably worth it.

56:19.91
youcantcompthis
Let's just put aside the fact that you know he didn't have the most success in terms of team success in the Nba he did have very good personal success. He had very good success at college and then in the international stage 2 which there was a whole thing about you know Hoodie Mellow and you know team usa malo like.

56:32.26
Adz
And the um, yeah.

56:39.23
youcantcompthis
That that actually does matter and I think also to he walked all over the pop culture line like people wanted to be like Caello so that actually surprises me how low it sold and then the other.

56:47.86
Adz
Yeah.

56:58.39
youcantcompthis
Argument that can be made which is probably a weak argument right now. But it's the crossover argument too. You can go from 9.5 potentially to a piece a ten. So yeah, all right? How about we do 2 more and then we'll um, call it a day so the next one's.

57:04.18
Adz
Yeah, sure.

57:12.64
Adz
Tile of yeah, sounds good.

57:14.44
youcantcompthis
Damon Lillard that's in the thing and this is ah this is an interesting one and this is a ah relevant one too just for the fact that he's changed. Yeah, he's changed teams recently all right? So the silver psa ten two thousand and twelve silver prism

57:20.91
Adz
I Good to check in with him now that he's um, yeah.

57:34.90
youcantcompthis
In the last three months it's sold 8 times it lasts over 1435 so that's that's that's see I wonder with this.

57:44.14
Adz
Yeah, pop can of 41 same year as um Kawai.

57:50.95
youcantcompthis
I Don't know the background on here and and I think there was a little bit of a gap in terms of product here. Yeah.

57:56.58
Adz
But it's the same year as koil in it.

58:04.68
youcantcompthis
So would you rather a Luca rookie. Oh would you rather a dame lilid with a pop of 41

58:16.38
Adz
That's a tough that's that is a tough call um on because Lilid's got the same amount of um Mvps and and championships as luka.

58:29.63
youcantcompthis
You that he does.

58:33.72
Adz
So um, but he's also been around a little bit longer. So I just Liard's another one where I I I'm I'm judging his his success all lack thereof.

58:41.44
youcantcompthis
Hey.

58:50.47
youcantcompthis
Is that it's the new comp cardd the Luca Silver Psa 10 that you literally can just comp to anything because you can say right? This guy's got a better resume or a worse resume. He's got more championships or less championships. His pop is higher. His pop is lower. The price is higher. The price is lower.

59:07.81
Adz
I think I think that Luca is a good basis of comparison. But you can probably use zion as well and do you know what? I mean like Lukas the Lucas the hot property I think I've said this before though. But yeah.

59:09.94
youcantcompthis
You know what? I mean? Yeah, and if you but I think Luca is a better one than zion because you know zion. He's hot property but he's a better bet right? I think you know the ceiling with zion is so high but the ceiling with zion is also incredibly low too. You know I think Luca is very much a safe bet in some ways. Yep.

59:28.99
Adz
Low. Yeah yeah, yeah, Luca's an interesting one because bit is success and that all changes. Um I still I still think the biggest problem with Luca and um.

59:36.20
youcantcompthis
The world just comes back to Luca Donchi truly doesn't it.

59:44.80
Adz
Not going to I'm not going to throw too much. Shade is the fact that I think everybody's valuing him on the assumption that he is going to succeed at some point and so there's no prospecting for his potential because it's already there. So we're already buying as if he's already hit it.

59:49.24
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, um, yeah.

01:00:01.10
youcantcompthis
Sure.

01:00:04.59
Adz
That's where we're doing where is liard. Well he hasn't hit it but he's done some stuff like he taps his arm and like the dame time stuff and that's really entertaining but I don't know I I the the. Players that don't win Mvps and don't win Championships. It may it's hard to gauge what their career means because I'm not saying they're bad players but I'm saying the accolades kind of draw attention to them.

01:00:38.19
youcantcompthis
Look I think you can confidently say that that Lillard card is not future priced I Think that's just the popularity of lilid that's his resume That's already been written and that's the pop right? So let's take this full circle so we were talking about the conversation that was on the.

01:00:49.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:57.68
youcantcompthis
The Verizon page right? So the guy was saying in 5 years time these are gonna be $600 cards because of the population count and when I first read that I disagreed with it and maybe this is the.

01:00:59.64
Adz
Yep yep Yep yep.

01:01:07.89
Adz
Ah.

01:01:16.20
youcantcompthis
1 sentence synopsis of tonight's show population count does matter and this is how you you pass it out. You look at you look at Luca you look at lilllid well you look at Luka you look at Lillardd you look at qui leonard which.

01:01:21.55
Adz
This is interesting so in 5 years what's your prediction on luka.

01:01:33.19
youcantcompthis
I think we've done a reasonable deep dive into tonight like you know that that means something you know then you look at the other guys that we compared to iverson population 36 Dwayne Wade population of 151 that's still 10 times less and the price difference. There is significant then you look at Isaiah Thomas okay

01:01:34.24
Adz
Very much. Yeah.

01:01:45.90
Adz
Yeah day you're right? You're right.

01:01:52.69
youcantcompthis
Probably not the greatest 1 for one comparison the pop on that is still 42

01:01:57.39
Adz
Population count of 42 says this is not going to be an easy card to come by. You're not going to find a website or like a Facebook page where someone's trying to sell 2 of them.

01:02:03.82
youcantcompthis
And it's five point five thousand dollars yeah so like yeah yeah, and that was the other argument that was put forward. Yeah, and that's right telling to at the same time. Yeah.

01:02:16.49
Adz
Yes, I was like I've got 2 lillard gem mint ten prisms. No no.

01:02:23.68
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah look I'm it's kind of making sense now isn't it. Maybe this maybe you were right? ad maybe Luca is not a great boy.

01:02:34.11
Adz
Maybe maybe the type of Lucas or the yeah and I think this is the the lesson with the wemby side of it as well. Right? when we're prospecting that when we said this a couple of years ago where numbered cards are important.

01:02:36.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right, That's the better way to say it.

01:02:47.30
youcantcompthis
Very important mucho important.

01:02:51.20
Adz
Because they're always a limited quantity. Yeah, that's a thing you're not going to get ah a population count of two and a half thousand if a card is numbered to two ninety Nine I mean sometimes you get a pop count of 2 with tops. If. It's a 1 of 1 but that's not the point. Yeah.

01:03:08.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all righty this is from Matthew Hull and Matthew thank you for everything that you do for the show you you chip in a lot I really think the five year plays need to be discussed and rated and I think that's actually that's a good conversation for you know you could do a whole show in that.

01:03:23.30
Adz
In.

01:03:27.49
youcantcompthis
Look back at rookies from five years ago Luca so we've done that Tatum we've done that in the last few weeks I think we can we can skip past that on the other hand Dale and Terry interestingly we spoke about Dale and Terry again two weeks ago I I spoke about the rpa that I bought after I went to the bulls game.

01:03:34.54
Adz
Ah.

01:03:44.20
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:46.87
youcantcompthis
Ao was spoken about him mar on Brooks look. He's probably a tough one and I probably would say he's just a very deep cut I would also say to opportunity is his big problem Scotty Pendlebury I don't want to comp him. So.

01:03:57.72
Adz
Um.

01:04:00.71
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:06.14
youcantcompthis
Spider mitchell Demada Rosen we've done demaers and Zach Levine he's so injured at the moment schroed up. There's not much hobby value there Jimmy Butler we've done on the show.

01:04:11.25
Adz
Yeah. Now.

01:04:18.97
youcantcompthis
The one I do want to talk about out of all that is Donovan Mitchell because actually Donovan Mitchell this year is is been having a really good year. He is very much at that 5 year um kicker point and he's in the same group as.

01:04:24.25
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:37.90
youcantcompthis
Darren Fox he's in the same group as Jason Tatum who are both now having you know, pretty decent sort of hobby years.

01:04:44.47
Adz
Interesting with that with with spider Donver Mitchell Silver Prism last sole price two hundred and seventeen fifty think that's relevant.

01:04:54.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah population of that 603 yeah it's not 2000 though is it. You know? Yeah yeah, so the last two years he's down 72%

01:05:04.97
Adz
It's not 2000 but it's above 500 yeah it's and it's um, yeah.

01:05:13.97
youcantcompthis
The last yup one year he's down 27 let's Zoom in a bit closer the last six months he's up 10% the last three months he's up 20% and the last month he's up 26 maybe that's actually more relevant. You know he's been playing good basketball.

01:05:20.44
Adz
Yep.

01:05:28.65
Adz
The cabs have actually come good. Yeah, interesting and um I'd actually consider buying at that price and I'm not a huge Mitchell fan. But.

01:05:30.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries. He's kept them afloat so buy hold sell ad at 2 17

01:05:39.74
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

01:05:44.88
Adz
Maybe maybe maybe that 2 to 3 range is is where he's at for now it's good.

01:05:45.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, my only thing I'd say with this is I don't think you should expect fireworks from this card. You know drafted in Utah currently playing Cleveland strong argument to be made. He's.

01:05:53.13
Adz
No.

01:06:04.45
youcantcompthis
Second option on that team when Garlan comes back although I'm a garlan fanboy so you might be asking the wrong person.

01:06:04.69
Adz
Okay.

01:06:12.56
Adz
I Still think it's a um I think it's a reasonable price. So maybe even a hold. So.

01:06:15.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look I'm really glad that he's made a comeback to I think it's nice to sort of see some victories you know in the Hobby space every now and again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

01:06:21.81
Adz
The bounce back rather than the plummet plummet plummet nonsense. Yeah yeah for sure for sure.

01:06:30.70
youcantcompthis
The last thing of the show and this is not on the run sheet and I did it deliberately to pretty much sabotage and blind. So I knew is the lakers have 2 all stars. The Sacramento Kings have 0 The Kings have a better record than the lakers.

01:06:38.68
Adz
They do.

01:06:50.12
youcantcompthis
And Debonta Subbona This year is playing amazingly why do the lakers have 2 all stars and the kings. But that's also done by the coaches.

01:06:51.70
Adz
Was robbed I agree. Because the alltar because the alltar ballot is a popularity contest. Yeah, it's still a popularity contest.

01:07:09.26
youcantcompthis
so so bonus this year is averaging 19.9 points 13 rebounds and 8 assists in 4 to 6 games this season.

01:07:15.90
Adz
Um, but the you've got the that's the thing you're right? The coaches do vote is that the coaches are players and there's media. So there's the people.

01:07:20.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah coaches and players and there's some like media members that get us a yeah.

01:07:29.88
Adz
The media and then there's a little thing for the the players and coaches I think the the I don't think de montes. So bonus is um in the spotlight as much and I do think he was shafted.

01:07:48.38
Adz
I Do think he was shafted.

01:07:49.91
youcantcompthis
So I think like taking my king's prejudice away I don't actually mind that the lakers got one all-star but I think in such a competitive conference having 2

01:08:07.22
Adz
Who was the one who would the one would you would select because I would say it was Anthony Davis

01:08:07.28
youcantcompthis
I think that's criminal. Look I think to I think just for legacy I'll probably go with Lebron James because I think let's just even if you yeah so.

01:08:19.10
Adz
See my yeah I think Anthony but Anthony Davis has earned a spot like stats wise he's earned the spot Lebron gets it in because he's popular because he's Lebron.

01:08:30.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, but even if you make that argument and you say you know Anthony Davis should still be there so I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm gonna say it anyway I would actually make an extra spot on the old star roster just for Lebron like yeah.

01:08:44.95
Adz
I Know what you mean? yeah it' synonymous synonymous.

01:08:48.62
youcantcompthis
As much as that this sort of pains me to say it he is. He is actually very very important to the league I I would also say to father time catches up with everybody and I'm not trying to say is to put a jinkx on me that but it's not impossible to say this is his last year

01:09:08.30
Adz
It's not impossible.

01:09:08.34
youcantcompthis
The guy is a human specimen. He's a freak but like I think sometimes we take that for. We take that for granted, you know.

01:09:12.14
Adz
We haven't even seen the decline yet I feel like the fact that he we haven't seen the decline means there's at least one more and it's weird. You're right? He's 1 niggling injury away from retirement. But at the moment you can't.

01:09:25.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:09:32.15
Adz
You can't question the man's ability to get out on the floor and perform at an incredibly high level. Um, but at what point is the all-star game. Yeah, you're right? It's just a big popularity contest. But.

01:09:43.74
youcantcompthis
Look. It's really tough and I think this is the thing so you know you make the argument that someone got left out. So then you have to say well who actually you know should be taken off look I think the wolves having 2 all stars is actually correct because they're basically been.

01:09:58.22
Adz
That's fair.

01:10:01.10
youcantcompthis
Very quietly dominating the leak this season and so Edwards I'm really glad Edwards made it look carlanton towns if Gobert had a been there and someone cited all the defensive stats I would have been totally fine with that look Paul George and Kylan are getting in again that doesn't super sit with me like that. Well.

01:10:01.23
Adz
They have.

01:10:09.20
Adz
Ah.

01:10:16.16
Adz
I Feel like only one of those should have got in.

01:10:20.16
youcantcompthis
The booker 1 again, you know if the bonus had a be in there and said a book or a Fox had a be there. You know I'm I'm okay with that the Anthony Davis

01:10:25.96
Adz
I Feel like we don't have a trouble. We don't we We don't really have control over the starters. That's my thing.

01:10:33.57
youcantcompthis
Um, look s g I'm actually glad he's there Luca you know you guys know what I feel about Luca the Joker Durant Lebron I'm okay with it I'm am.

01:10:44.90
Adz
Yeah I feel like I just feel like the the reserves it needs to be a little bit more attention to less popularity contests. But I do think Anthony Davis Puts ah a decent case forward? Um, and you're right? It's it's it's a tight competition. So I feel like there are some snubs there that.

01:10:58.11
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

01:11:01.57
Adz
Definitely warrant some questions.

01:11:04.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah, ah right I think on that note, we we sign off. Thank you everyone for a fantastic evening Adam thank you for your time. Yeah.

01:11:08.64
Adz
Yes. It was good. It was a lot of fun pleasure as always looking forward to the next one was good. Thanks everyone say you guys bye.

01:11:25.45
youcantcompthis
Alrighty guys. Thanks a lot take care.