Episode 135: Tyson Beck joins to discuss all things Hobby!

Episode 135 we are very very lucky to have Tyson Beck come onto the show. Tyson is a proud Australian graphic designer who produces his own card line and has worked with Topps, Fanatics, Upper Deck and Panini.

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Transcript

00:01.12
Adz
I've do all the internet stuff all right, Everybody ready. Nice, Let's do that My internet still telling me that things are configuring in the background. Oh wait there. We go her technology for the win there. We go.

00:04.28
youcantcompthis
I'm I'm recording.

00:20.93
Adz
All right? whenever you're ready russ.

00:21.82
youcantcompthis
Welcome Tyson. How are you today.

00:27.30
tyson
I'm going pretty good. How are you guys going.

00:30.22
Adz
Good good I was waiting for music or are we not doing that anymore us. Okay, okay I thought you were gonna do the normal intro sorry I was waiting for my opportunity to to introduce the show.

00:34.40
youcantcompthis
Are we going to. We'll do the intro later.

00:44.60
youcantcompthis
All right? Let's let's let's let's start again tyson how he today.

00:47.61
Adz
So right I'll I'll sit back I'll see you back in my in my box.

00:54.20
tyson
I'm going Whoa. Thank you How you guys going.

00:54.69
Adz
Very well, very well said I.

01:00.53
youcantcompthis
Ah, potentially where a bit I'm hungover from celebrating being on the radio today. This is also a possibility.

01:05.27
tyson
No, that's nice. Good congratulations.

01:09.40
youcantcompthis
Thanks! So Tyson. Thank you so much for coming on board today I think we should start with the questions that I love to talk to people about and um, which is how did you get started in the hobby. But I think the first thing we should really do is is give give you a chance to introduce yourself and just tell everybody what you do because there's It's a really interesting story I think so it has to be told. But do you mean talk about yourself or ah.

01:32.22
tyson
It's my favorite thing today. Ah yeah, no, it's actually my least favorite thing not just the story. Um I'm a designer artist I've been doing it since.

01:32.92
Adz
I thought you were gonna say this is the first time you've been asked.

01:47.19
tyson
2005 so I think it's like 20 years this year the twentieth year so I just started for fun back in high school just because I didn't really excel in anything and like in schoolwise and um I love sport and I just kind of just. That was the only thing I was good at like just photoshop drawing stuff like that in school. Um and I was a psych at the time there really wasn't anything in the sports creative space like this is well before social media this is like forum like back when forums were kind of big. Um.

02:25.18
Adz
Yep.

02:26.00
tyson
And yeah I was just like why don't I like just make instead of doing the design stuff and art stuff. Um, just random stuff. Why don't I do it for actually like combine the 2 things I like which is design and art and sport and mainly basketball really like 99% bacel and that's kind of how it all started. And at the time there really wasn't a community. It's not like it was today. It is today sorry with like social media and just the massive sports creative community um back then it was like nothing so I would go on forums and people be like oh I want a wallpaper of the Denver nuggets I want an avatar a signet to.

02:54.47
Adz
Oh.

03:04.43
tyson
Of Kevin Garnett and I just make him free for people and have my name in the corner and that's kind of the groundwork of where it started. Yeah, just having fun and just sharing it on forums and then I guess over time sports teams leagues.

03:08.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right, just getting repetitions. Basically yeah yeah.

03:10.53
Adz
Wow.

03:21.70
tyson
Agencies players. Whatever just picked it up and then it just kind of yeah, never look back. But honestly I feel like I was pretty lucky because I kind of did it when no one else was doing it so it was kind of like there was a period where it's like if you wanted cool designs or art and sport I was kind of the go to guy.

03:39.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

03:39.22
tyson
Whereas now there's like hundreds and thousands of creatives out there who are just amazing. There's like 14 year old kids that like do work as good as me or arguably better than me and it's just like wow hi you know it's pretty insane but back then it was like yeah there wasn't really a.

03:48.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

03:50.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

03:57.46
tyson
Ah, community.

03:58.60
Adz
Yeah, did you did you actually do you remember the first um I suppose first time you were approached.

04:06.33
tyson
Ah, yeah, well like I guess like how most people it's like I shouldn't really be saying it because I hate kind of like contests like because like they get a bunch of people to to work for free to kind of give away lame prize. Um, but I was a kid so I was just like I'll go into that.

04:14.28
Adz
Yeah.

04:20.77
Adz
Ah.

04:24.20
tyson
And was the phoenix sons they had a magazine cover contest and I hated the phoenix suns like because I was a laker I was a lakers fan and this was during like the Rajah Bell Kobe you know like you know is like the playoffs series and everything nash stealing Kobe's mvps all that stuff. Yeah, so was up.

04:32.92
Adz
Um, yeah.

04:37.32
Adz
I was gonna say yeah the nash the the the with Nash has's got 1 of Kobe's nbps yes

04:43.78
tyson
Yeah, yeah for sure and um yes I did that and I won the contest or whatever and a part of the contest they I guess for winning the contest you got a copy of it and you got a bio about yourself in the new in in inside the cover so they asked me a bunch of questions or like favorite.

04:56.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, cool.

04:57.88
Adz
Yeah.

05:02.33
tyson
Player and I say Kobe Pryant favorite team Los Angeles Lakers and they're like we can't put that in and I'll say oh fair enough but they felt bad so they were like well instead of putting the bio about yourself. What about we just give you details to the lakers instead and I was like yeah that's a good that's a good trade and they did. And I was I was either 16 or 17 I currently remember I probably said both numbers over time. But um, that happened and then likers reach out to me and they're like cool. Do you want to start doing some like ah design work for us and like I was working for them at that age in high school.

05:37.30
Adz
Um, ah wow. Yeah.

05:40.41
tyson
And like the us they're kind of still ah they were paying by checks I get a check I still got some of them around um a check with the Lakers logo on it and my name on it which is pretty cool like being that young going into a bank and I went for it to a pretty scummy school like like a public school like.

05:49.74
Adz
That is amazing.

05:59.40
tyson
And it just going into the bank like the bank tell us who'd freak out seeing a Lakers logo on there and they thought I play for the lakers but I definitely didn't.

06:06.00
youcantcompthis
Ah, have you sent any of those to psa to be graded like people are into that stuff these days. You know that could be collectible man.

06:12.38
tyson
Ah, um, haven't but that actually yeah, that's that's yeah, yeah, but even I was working for the knics like just ah up until Covid happened and even they were still sending checks.

06:18.69
Adz
Authenticated isn't it these days.

06:27.27
Adz
Wow.

06:27.76
youcantcompthis
America is so backwards with some things but in saying that we actually just got back from the state's issue and cash is pretty much gone. You can do touchless everywhere covid forced them into a corner. You know they were like 1 of the last countries to be still using cash and yeah.

06:28.00
tyson
Bank checks out to me which is wild. Yeah.

06:41.46
tyson
Yeah, none of the sports venues except cash that I've been to of late there like it's all it's very much like Australia now isn't it like you walk in, you're forced to use. Yeah.

06:46.42
Adz
Well.

06:47.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, So that's how you got started doing the current work you're doing and it maybe just tell us a bit more about you know what? you're currently doing because I think there's definitely going to be people out there that. Need to know a bit more about you? yeah.

07:08.56
tyson
Ah, ah what I'm currently doing now. Yeah I will guess like the first 15 or so years I really wasn't doing what I'm doing now. Um so more so in trading card space. Um us started working with. Tops in 2014 so it's actually been like 10 years which is pretty crazy but again that was like 1 of random things they lichy I just got an email saying we've seen you work on Instagram because I worked for the Nba at that stage I'd just post cool graphics. Someone will have a big game like curry would score fifty and the.

07:29.35
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

07:44.24
tyson
And Mba would be like hey we need something in an hour just make it look cool and I'd post it and then'd put it up on social and then yeah so Topps were kind of seeing this stuff that was going up and being like oh can we do this kind of stuff but for cards and I was like yeah cool, let's do ah so.

07:47.82
Adz
Wow.

08:00.51
tyson
They went from wanting me to do 1 insert and then I kind of I think either I did it or I don't know how the process went but maybe I provided a draft and they said Nas scrap the insert. Let's just do a whole box like a whole product line and it's of you which was called tops fire. Um, and which later at the start. It didnt have my name on it but later it did so a lot of people didn't know it was my work early on but all toppps fire was and it started with Nfl 2014 Topps Fire Nfl but I was yeah I was pretty young back then doing that. Um.

08:26.31
Adz
Um, ah yeah.

08:37.39
tyson
And then it went to baseball because that was their other license and then we're done usc and a bunch of other stuff but that's kind of how it started and since twenty twenty I started um working you know I've been doing cards for 13 years with Topps and I've worked. Also for like upper deck and panini and fanatics and ster sports. All that all the kind of ones and I thought well you know, um, ha nah na not not not Jersey. Fu. Ah.

08:56.90
Adz
Yeah.

09:04.50
youcantcompthis
What about Jersey Fusion have he done any work for them.

09:12.11
Adz
Ah, it.

09:12.32
youcantcompthis
I Think who do you think they got to cut out the patches on those cards man.

09:16.36
tyson
Um, um, hard to know probably myself. We could be my im pretty bad at cutting size. It now would it. It would have to be someone's kid it just had. But.

09:25.57
youcantcompthis
Ah I mean not even the internal would own up to that surely. Yeah.

09:34.29
tyson
It's pretty. It's pretty shocking. But yeah, that stuff makes me laugh I don't even know how legally they can sell that stuff but you know, ah yeah I I guess it's hidden.

09:41.98
Adz
They must have a legal background of some description that gets them out of trouble because yet.

09:50.22
tyson
Yeah, not sure I guess you can't see what you get like it's not on the packaging. So it's like who knows like who knows what's inside like um, okay, not that's all right.

09:53.40
Adz
Yeah, true.

09:56.97
youcantcompthis
There's actually a new Jersey fusion coming out and it's all graded cards with the patch like in the thing sorry to segue into that. Yeah yeah I think the cuttings a little bit straighter. That's for sure. Yeah, sorry but I completely interrupted you you're talking about.

10:03.93
Adz
Um.

10:05.12
tyson
Surely they'll get better over time surely they will see the comments refine it. But yeah, ah, um, that's all right? Ah yeah, yes I'd done all that and then I was like 2020 and like you know, obviously things were picking up in 2020 and I've done.

10:13.59
youcantcompthis
Working for all the different grading companies other different card companies.

10:24.59
tyson
Pretty good in terms of like saving money and just working really hard. Um for myself and everything was happening in 2020 and I just saw this like you know cards going crazy and all my stuff like the print runs I'd sell stuff and I was getting royalties very small royalties. But um. And it was selling a lot and I was like man like ah surely I can just make cars myself like instead of just working with the the companies and like um, that kind of just opened my eyes and I was just like ah you know at the top I can't really say the number but you know like you know Tatum cost me like half my house. At the time and I was just like man I just went all in I was like you know what like effort like ah you go take risks in life and I wouldn't be at that point. Anyway, if I hadn't taken risks I did and that went really well it sold out very quickly. But I knew if it didn't go well in the first minute it wasn't gonna go well at all. So I was like.

11:17.46
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

11:21.19
tyson
Sweating like I was so nervous. Um, and I know like the big, the big company or yeah I don't want to go into specifics because there's always issues coming up. The big companies will call with me doing it but then obviously when they found out it sold out in a minute they hated that I was doing it which was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:21.83
Adz
Yeah.

11:35.95
Adz
You're like I'll let him have a crack? Yeah no worries and then it sells out and they're like this can't be happening. This is not yet.

11:41.84
tyson
That's exactly what happened So at that point that kind of motivated me and I was like Nu like I got to I got to go all in on this because like if people were trying to stop me. They're trying to stop me for a reason. And that really motivated me if they yeah I probably wouldn't even be doing it today if they just didn't care because I would have just probably like oh well, um, it was fun. Why it last and especially like when things start to slow down like and um, a year into it Probably when.

11:54.75
Adz
Yep.

11:59.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so.

12:09.48
tyson
You know, maybe my stuff became a bit repetitive or I wasn't working with the right athletes I don't know like I definitely felt like stopping but I was like nah I just stayed motivated I wanted to just yeah, just keep going so that was kind of crazy when Tatum like I really appreciate his management and everything also just sticking out for me because like they had.

12:25.15
Adz
And.

12:27.61
tyson
Companies going at them and they stack up. They said no we love tyson we did deal with him and it was all signed off and all good. Let's go like you know we're happy to be the first player to do it so and then ever since then it's been pretty pretty hectic but pretty fun at the same time wouldn't trade it for anything.

12:34.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah, well.

12:43.73
Adz
No.

12:45.51
tyson
I've learned a lot about people business myself family friends I've seen the best and worst out of people across the last four years sadly but um, it's been. Um, yeah I think I haven't ah experienced this in any other format of work. You know.

12:54.19
Adz
Oh.

13:04.85
tyson
Previous to this I was working for the Nba for 8 years and like it was just like see get a job do the job get paid. There was no risk like I don't think there was any fun in that like I kind of like the thrill you know like betting on yourself putting a ah paying an athlete up front and trying to like you know.

13:10.85
Adz
Yeah.

13:14.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

13:23.23
tyson
Recruit the funds back and yeah, there's something about the thrill that excites me.

13:25.81
Adz
Yeah, it's ah it's a It's a huge it is a huge outlay I'd imagine to and then you are, you're fully backing yourself and your talent Obviously the talent of the athlete is is is a factor but youre you're backing your art your your vision.

13:34.66
tyson
Yeah.

13:42.51
tyson
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it is like you know I I thought at the start it was just all the athletes. But I've seen other artists do it and unfortunately a lot of it. Um, their stuff hasn't sold or hasn't done well um. Which is obviously no, um, no knock on them but like um you know um I think they just saw the industry pick up and they just jumped into it whereas I had honestly like I guess one thing I didn't talk speak about was like before I started so I I was doing 16 years or 15 years I was giving people free wallpapers free like you know it's not huge, but like people had thousands of wallpapers I just make free stuff like people could download it their phones desktop computers anything for like 15 years and then it I guess.

14:27.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you had a body of work that was already there and the connections were there and yeah.

14:34.47
tyson
Yeah, and then also I feel like people were like man this guy gave me so much content. Free content free stuff like over the years I'm happy to support him you know whereas like because you know I didn't I've never sold anything for my first fifteen years I was up I don't have the rights I don't have the play's like and ah likeness and.

14:40.58
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

14:42.14
Adz
Oh.

14:53.50
tyson
And I work for the companies. They just sold. It themselves. So I think um, that helped um, the fact that people were like oh well yeah, you know this guy's been giving us a lot of free stuff over the years. We're happy to support him and that help for sure played the slow game. Um, and yeah I think. And seeing other people haven't successfully done it um with the card releases. It kind of has made me think oh Wow like I am doing a really good job like this isn't easy because other people are failing and it's um, yeah, it's been um, it's been Crazy. It's been absolutely crazy.

15:18.53
Adz
Yeah.

15:26.17
youcantcompthis
And has that impacted your ability to work with say panini and fanatics or have you now come to a place where you actually are all working together and and they're okay with it.

15:38.56
tyson
Ah I don't know.

15:40.70
youcantcompthis
Shall we move on to the next question.

15:43.18
tyson
Now I don't I honestly I don't know I um I still I still good with Toppps tops is only by fanatics now. So I guess like yes, just I yeah I think so um, um.

15:43.33
Adz
Yet.

15:52.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right? So so you're still working with tobbs.

16:02.85
tyson
Was ah yeah, but I think the people I get along with everyone at tops really well. Um, you know a lot of the people that are there now were there when I started working with them. So I I love the people at tops I get along great with them. Um some um the I don't see myself working with panini.

16:04.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

16:13.37
Adz
Yeah.

16:21.66
tyson
But um, ah, but also with fanatics I'm not sure because like it's a difficult situation because if Fanatics fanatics own top. So for example, if top but let's just like play it simple if top tops want to do something with me but fanatics have an issue with me. They will just.

16:32.36
youcantcompthis
Yes, yeah.

16:41.39
tyson
I Assume they will just cut it. You know because they own tops now. So it's a bit. It's a bit weird. So um, but yeah.

16:45.42
youcantcompthis
Is it possible that would go the other other way though that Topps would actually vouch for you and like iron it out with them.

16:53.96
tyson
Ah I don't know I don't know their hands are tired sometimes because the people at tops I think the way it's structured is fanatics collectibles is a business and there's a Ceo there and there's guys and suits up there and tops ah kind of sit within that.

17:08.88
Adz
Earth.

17:10.93
tyson
Um, so yeah, it's always been strange. Ah fanatics has always been strange because even from the get-go the first release I did they said they had an exclusivity with Jason Tatum um and that um they had an exclusivity with memorabilia. And they said that my what I sell is memorabilia. It's not trading cards and I was like I don't understand I sell trading cards and they said a trading card is found inside a pack. Um you sell them individually which is just crazy because like I mean tops now paniti instant like they're all you know.

17:41.29
Adz
Well.

17:44.17
tyson
Every day every day Topps launches something that's a trading card right? like you know individuals saying that's crazy but now on the flip side I'm getting the other attack where they'll have an athlete being like signed to ah they will have an athlete signed to a memorabilia deal but not a trading sorry a memory bit.

17:59.18
Adz
Trading card not memorabilia.

18:02.92
tyson
Yeah, and then they're flipping down and they're but like oh no, you can't sign with him and I'm like but you don't have a memorabil deal. So ah, yeah, it's ah it's a bit of a strange one. But yeah I don't know it's just big businesses like I guess um yeah I don't know it's but I.

18:08.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

18:15.67
Adz
Yeah, but your your working relationship. It sounds like with Topps as ah as you've got to you've still got positive connections within toppps and in turn I guess that means fanatics to an extent.

18:27.58
tyson
Yeah, yeah, and I honestly I I don't do anything to piss them off like you know, um I Just um, you know I feel like I can put out a product that people like and um, you know and I think it's helping the Hobby Um I think it's.

18:29.85
Adz
Yeah.

18:42.95
tyson
Um, you know I think in a well in imperfect world. There's no so there's no exclusivities and you know I grew up collecting cards in the late 90 s and or mid 90 s sorry and I just remember there being just a wide range of stuff and I bought the stuff that I like most but now.

18:49.70
Adz
Yeah.

19:01.34
Adz
Yep.

19:01.97
tyson
Just no option for that. You kind of get forced what you can buy I couldn't imagine like if if there was like upper deck panini tops all making and Nba cards. Ah like how good would the products be because they're fighting for customers. They don't have the monopoly they're literally fighting for your attention.

19:02.38
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

19:10.82
Adz
It.

19:18.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, non game 1 member to memorabilly that's gone sticker autographs. That's gone I think that's the 2 big things so it comes to my mind straight away. Yeah.

19:21.49
tyson
And it would be crazy. You would get more.

19:29.94
tyson
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, the sticker stuff's insane, especially for me like ah um I'll never yeah yeah, I've never done a sticker I mean I've had plenty I understand how more it's so much more profitable to do stickers like crazy.

19:34.36
youcantcompthis
Immaculate.

19:47.26
tyson
It's it's it's insane how much more profitable a sticker will is and then also how much easier it is so.

19:50.91
youcantcompthis
Can you talk about the logistics of getting athletes to sign an on-cart autograph and maybe make a comparison to a sticker are you allowed to do that. Yeah.

20:01.12
tyson
Asked? Yeah, yeah for sure. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, well I guess like in simple terms like let's say you want to sit down with off I don't know if you want to sit down with Halliburton. Okay, so um, you know I'll sign an agreement.

20:10.65
youcantcompthis
Halliburton. Yeah.

20:18.54
tyson
With Halliburton to sit down once. Ah yeah, a trading card trading card agreement to sit down sign with him for x amount or autos. Um, and then I so I got to get everything ready for that like um, you know once I leave that room I can't get anything signed.

20:19.44
youcantcompthis
Um, a memorabilia agreement.

20:37.47
tyson
So with stickers I could just um, so for example, a bigger company. They'll just mail in mail in stickers. They're just mailing stickers to the players all the time and then they'll end up getting back to it. But I guess I understand why they do it. It's profitable more profitable and also easy to do so for example. Save halliburton goes off next year they don't even have him under contract they can use those stickers in 2 years time 3 years time whatever um or he changes his team like I was so close to doing a deal with Kevin Durant and if I did the deal. This was like a year or so back I had would have had. Brooklyn cards he would have signed them on card and then you' left the next week now imagine that I'd have been screwed. But if there were stickers I could have literally just done actually what leaf did was just make a a mock-up of a phoenix suns card.

21:16.88
Adz
Wow.

21:32.24
tyson
And just go oh like he signed with us today and just bang. Um, you know put a sticker on it and I think yeah so and for example, there's other things like I think you see so many more stickers coming um, just. Keep coming especially with the instant stuff because like yeah left Leb Lebron breaks a record like you know like the 40 k one. It was interesting. They didn't put autos on that. But if there's a sticker. It's just or it's all ready to go so sitting there. Um changing team. How big the play has gone like um, it's ah.

21:57.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

22:07.50
tyson
Yeah, you know you don't have and also you don't actually if I want to sit down and sign with halliburt again I got to give him a bag of money again if I had stickers just sitting there I could just wait for oh okay Indiana Paces on the eastern conferencece finals called or just launch a cart. You know.

22:14.78
Adz
Ah.

22:18.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah I mean I guess I guess that sort of emphasizes the extra value people people individually put on on card autographs.

22:27.89
tyson
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, um I think that's why they are um, more valuable and um I see I I love it when the companies use stickers because I think that still that creates more of a point of difference. Um.

22:44.81
Adz
Um, yeah.

22:45.54
tyson
But for me I I'm not I would never go out and go oh they're stupid for using stick they they are hundred percent doing the right thing like it's it's just so much easier. Yeah.

22:49.76
youcantcompthis
Point of difference and price point I think that's really important too for me that is important anyway in the Hobby hey I'm just sitting here I'm just almost having like a light bulb golf. Why don't you do instant cards. Why don't.

22:55.27
Adz
Yeah.

23:05.50
youcantcompthis
Why don't you get some athletes to sign stuff and then take that opportunity of like photoshopping up something schmiek when yeah but is it. That's not your jam. Okay, yeah.

23:05.62
tyson
Will then? ah.

23:12.27
tyson
But then it would have to be a sticker I Guess now not na. Yeah I don't know be yeah, like ah.

23:15.46
Adz
Not not see and some integrity there I like it. It's like no the brand is. It's all on card. We're not talking to panini who's gonna put stickers on immaculate product.

23:31.28
tyson
I can get creative though. So for example I got Kyle Kuzman to write 2020 champs I did on a card before he was even a champion. So I've got a good relationship with a lot of them like that was a risk so when they won the championship I launched that um and he'd already signed it if he didn't.

23:47.19
Adz
Yep.

23:49.56
tyson
Again, that's another risk I'd have to throw it in the bin. Um, with ah Steph Curry when he got the 2 9 7 4 when he broke the record here. He signed those cards two months before um so I definitely am very appreciative that he because a lot of these guys are like ah, superstitious and things like that. So.

23:51.23
Adz
Yeah.

23:52.10
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

24:09.20
tyson
To sign a card that says you broke a record when you haven't is actually a big thing I don't know people realize that like you know and it's crazy because you know I got also I got his first finals Mvp card Night night card um ah you know the the night night panini card came out like a year later autograph like twelve months later I think

24:11.71
youcantcompthis
Yes.

24:28.84
tyson
So I already had that twelve months before which is insane on card as well. Not sticker. Um, yeah, so there's a few things I've done I know there's other kind of moment things I've done which I can't I can't really think of the top of my hair. But I've definitely I definitely try and do it if I can. Um.

24:30.23
Adz
Wow.

24:48.13
tyson
But yeah, usually you just kind of have to predict the future sort of thing.

24:49.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

24:54.25
Adz
It's pretty cool like getting a moment like that of stephs and and I think there's it's no secret on the show that I'm I'm an advocate. The steph is going to be 1 of those historical figures as far as someone that revolutionized and changed the game but getting. Like a point in history on a card like that is is a pretty yeah phenomenal feat like as far as on your on your resume anyway, like.

25:16.76
tyson
Yeah, yeah, get yeah so I think I yeah know I know I definitely appreciate the opportunity to um to have Steph Curry Cards out there like yeah I mean it was definitely one of the highlights of my career. Um.

25:28.95
youcantcompthis
How did you get stair for I Definitely want to ask that.

25:34.80
tyson
Ah, just ah I have people that help me get deals Sir Yeah summer Yeah, some of every everyone's different like um, ah actually not most of the time players people that represent plays reach out to me.

25:39.59
Adz
His people talk to steps people.

25:54.40
tyson
Um, but it's It's very like the low, not low, but kind of like mid-tier kind of mid-tier players and some low players. But um, the big players rarely reach out but at the end of the day people will see usually seem quite shocked when um.

26:06.68
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

26:13.10
tyson
Say that but people work for these players to get deals like their job is to make the play money. So it's not that kind of crazy. Um, but yeah, um I have a few people that are in the signing circles and they have good relationships with players and um, yeah, some of them have um.

26:18.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah, um.

26:31.87
tyson
Being able to land me some pretty good players and yeah, they've been definitely the biggest asset. Um, um of my business and um, outside of that I just kind of I always just hit up agents. You know, just like Halliburton he's with Cia. You know I've done with Cia I've done obbi toppen I've done Josh Green I've done patdy millals I've done Donovan Mitchell like they've got a suite of ah Carmil and Anthony that um, as well. That's coming out but they've got a suite of like 50 to 100 players. So it's like they just give it.

27:01.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah, they've got a stable that agency you have in there? Yeah yeah.

27:07.53
tyson
Yeah, they just get have a list and go pick pick who you want. So it's really not that interesting.

27:07.95
Adz
Yep.

27:12.29
Adz
Yeah, yeah, what about? Um, what about product ideas I guess like when obviously someone like Steph Curry it's a card range. It comes out have you ever thought about extending past cards or into other areas or other projects.

27:26.83
tyson
Ah, yeah, yeah I So or dream ah own dream.

27:28.82
Adz
Getting multiple players together like what what would your dream be.

27:32.28
youcantcompthis
So for people listening at home tyson just had this smile come onto his face then so I feel like this has piqued a piece of Tyson's mind

27:41.39
tyson
Ah, there was a few questions. There was a few questions there within that 1 question but um I have tried I tried jerseys because everyone was like you could do jerseys they didn't go well which was interesting I just got you know because I think I I mean I just kind of wanted it to fail to kind of tell people see I was right.

27:42.99
Adz
They were.

27:50.37
Adz
Oh.

27:58.81
tyson
Not fail sorry but like cause I was like why because everyone keeps telling me oh get Jerseys do jerseys in place I like why'd you buy a jersey from like an artist like you can buy a jersey sign from anywhere like why would I waste my money getting signed jerseys like so I did it with Rodman and Alan Ison and like they they sat there while the cards sold out instantly so I was like good. They didn't work so I tried the other product. A lot of people want posters and canvases. But again I feel like those aren't good ideas because once you buy 2 of them. You were you your walls like how many how many can you get? you know.

28:28.71
Adz
Yep.

28:33.41
Adz
Truth.

28:33.45
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

28:35.46
tyson
People are living in smaller places. Um, people have less wall space than ever like I just feel like you know I reckonkin if you got 2 or 3 then you tapped out but you could buy a whole shoebox full of cards. Um, and ah yeah, in terms of the duke.

28:46.46
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

28:53.92
tyson
Ah I've done a jew I but'm I'm starting to do dual cards because that's definitely where I've lacked in the past I did a due of Alan Irbison and Jama Ant which was cool. Um, and ah.

29:02.00
Adz
Okay, okay, the more that's more of a comp than E like than than a rivalry I Wonder if you could get rivals on.

29:13.19
tyson
Ah, yeah I don't know it's interesting rivals I'm not too sure like I know obviously with like panini would have an easier time because it's like an it's a licensed product so they don't really need. They don't need athletes approvals like like whereas I need athletes approvals. So um.

29:22.28
Adz
Um, yeah I'm thinking like is celtics. That's all.

29:28.80
tyson
I Don't know about rivals I mean yeah I mean ah oh yeah.

29:30.20
youcantcompthis
You've got cut well as the secret you've got Cammelo Anthony coming up what about camalo Anthony and George Carl that will be an absolute cracker.

29:38.92
tyson
Ah, yeah, probably probably not that one but I do have some Jewels of Carmelo with another I guess like yeah, another person. Um, ah, but um, in terms of.

29:46.55
Adz
Okay, teammates duos. Yeah.

29:54.27
tyson
Yeah teammates jewelers are cool. Um, but definitely want to do more jewels um, they're hard to do for. They're very hard to do for me when they're on card because they're not stickers. So like oh I might sit down with um you know Jama Ant was I think August and then. Alan Iverson was December so there was like a so five month period so it's like that's a lot of money to invest in that and then not have you can't sell it for five months until the other player signs it a lot can happen in that time like it's a big risk but some could be easier. You could find a better timeline in everything. But.

30:21.12
Adz
Now. Yeah.

30:22.26
youcantcompthis
Yes.

30:29.70
Adz
And yeah.

30:32.40
tyson
But yeah, and then your what did you mention the but the my dream are I mean it's impossible but it definitely ah the on card on card autos a kobe like that would be to do that that yeah something of Kobe would be definitely my dream project. So.

30:34.20
Adz
Dream project.

30:45.24
Adz
Um, yeah, you did the um you did do the artwork for the the Melbourne visit the mumba mentality.

30:53.71
tyson
Yeah I did that and I've done ah done a bunch of stuff with panini I've probably done a dozen ah memorabilia pieces I did a card set of Kobe it was called um hero verse villain my name's not on it. But um, yeah, so I done I've done a bunch of stuff and.

31:01.66
Adz
Yep.

31:07.36
Adz
Um, yeah.

31:13.63
tyson
I even used to do work for Kobe's it will not work but I used to um ah help Kobe's ah website and community back I don't know he had like a K B 2 four community way way back back before social media that was really fun and that's how I actually met him as well.

31:23.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

31:29.49
Adz
Wow.

31:31.31
tyson
Because I was helping out with a website and then they just um, allowed me to meet him which is pretty cool but um, yeah I Definitely it would be more so because like ah ah to to collaborate with him like without these big companies would be my dream but of is that can't happen.

31:45.62
Adz
Yeah, yeah, and I know he was in he was actually in a very creative space just before he passed he was he was into like yeah children's novels and he was. He was really exploring things. So yeah, yeah for dear basketball. Yeah.

31:55.76
tyson
Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah Academy Award I Think that's the same thing isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that yeah, that would be cool but you know, um, ah hopefully I can do something kobe.

31:56.11
youcantcompthis
And he won an oscars in there.

32:05.59
Adz
Yeah.

32:10.90
Adz
Yeah, make sure the spelling's right on all your kobe work. No on the statue I did you not hear Jose Holder on was spellt wrong and someone else on the on the statue. Yeah.

32:12.62
tyson
Um, at some point but I want to go through the right channels I don't be what did I screw up something. Ah yeah, cowerone and von wafer Yes, pretty yeah, that's.

32:27.58
youcantcompthis
Coach's decision.

32:31.59
tyson
Unfortunate isn't that you.

32:31.92
Adz
Well I was going to say there's the gonna be 2 more statues at at k crypto. So.

32:35.60
tyson
Yeah I found that a bit strange. But yeah yeah yeah I just who I thought it would have been cool if they just launched all 3 at 1 time because that would have been like that would have been sick. Yeah because I just think.

32:40.70
Adz
Trying to make anything Kobe unique I guess. That would have been amazing like go from 1 statue and go by the way here's the next one and here's the next one? yeah.

32:55.69
tyson
That's what I thought they werere doing when they announced it. But then it's how we gonna wait for them. So I assume they'll be on what Kobe's birthday something later. But yeah I don't know. Ah yeah I'm interested to see the next ones.

33:02.34
Adz
Yeah.

33:06.22
youcantcompthis
I think if they did do all 3 on the same day. The quality of control would have even been worse boys so you're probably better off waiting just a little bit more I reckon.

33:09.80
Adz
Yep.

33:14.60
tyson
Yeah, we we'd got a sticker statue.

33:18.87
youcantcompthis
Ah, or an Nft. Maybe.

33:23.73
Adz
Oh goodness. Um, would you would you ever have you or have you tried to work with Lebron James no okay because that um I'm like I'm trying to think of greats that you would.

33:32.68
tyson
And hip now he's ah exclusive with fanatics and tops now. Um, if I wanted to work with him I could do it through Topps they.

33:41.89
Adz
Yep.

33:47.48
Adz
Um, yeah.

33:50.51
tyson
Yeah I think ah I was doing there I was doing their um their cards of like their big moments like I'd done one of um I was doing them a cj straout. Um. And I did a ah wemby one that which didn't launch. Um, and then I think that was around the Brady timing. Um with the brady stuff going on and then Lebron broke the record aside ah I just feel like they they weren't going to use me for that 40 k moment with everything that was going on.

34:10.80
Adz
Um, yeah.

34:20.53
Adz
Um, yeah.

34:20.67
tyson
Um, but yeah I mean I could the only way I could work with Lebron would be through tops now because he's just yeah, he went from upper deck to tops.

34:23.44
Adz
Okay, and there's no technicalities with memorabilia trading cards and other things. It's just like exclusive rights to everything for lebron.

34:36.36
tyson
Yeah, so I think ah I I mean I've never seen their contracts but I've definitely kind of like heard when speaking with people that represent plays and a lot of the contracts are like they'll have an exclusivity to memorabilia. Um or have an exclusivity to trading cards.

34:46.88
Adz
Yeah.

34:52.89
tyson
Um, but not both. But I think now it's like they'll have an like an all round exclusivity like trading cards in collectibles I think they'll probably call it now. Ah sorry memory failure in collectibles.

34:56.38
Adz
And yep.

35:03.99
youcantcompthis
So really quick segue you talked about wembby before. Did you see the baseball card that just came out today. It's the victor wembana baseball card. It's got the rookie logo on it on card autograph and they've taken. Ah. Patch that looks very very similar to the San Antonio spurs patch.

35:24.00
tyson
Ah, okay, he's had a handful of but ah baseball cards that have come out I think he had the the his first one of his first cards there but was like a first pitch card right? Yeah autographed. Yeah um.

35:30.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah I feel like this one. They're really pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with in terms of you know putting Rookie logos onto it. It's got the patch in it.

35:44.44
tyson
Yeah, yeah.

35:45.29
youcantcompthis
Where are you at with with stuff like that and actually I'm interested to hear your opinion because you've actually dealt with these companies firsthand. So.

35:53.55
tyson
I mean I don't know they would have paid a bucket load of money for webby. Um, so they're trying to launch everything right now like that they can. Um I mean it just makes sense doesn't it. They have a tough vote. Yeah.

35:59.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? Yeah, that's the best way to say it isn't it. Yeah, it's that's a very practical viewpoint. Yeah.

36:00.84
Adz
Yeah. No.

36:08.58
tyson
Have a very short time frame and there's just a lot going out. But yeah Don know I'm not I wouldn't I wouldn't be buying any wendyby card myself I mean I don't know I just don't think big guys hold up like i'd. Yeah I don't know I don't want to give anyone financial advice but look at yokitch look at Shaq like I mean I don't know name 1 big guy that's worth a lot I ah, you can't name one so why is wembby going to be that guy I'm not sure.

36:35.65
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

36:36.90
youcantcompthis
I the the excitement that's currently being generated by going after market sales is just like through the roof. The blank slates have been selling for more than 5000 us this last week and this is something that I was going to talk with you on.

36:48.61
tyson
Yeah I mean yeah.

36:54.80
youcantcompthis
Later on ad but this is a good little slide in now because it does feel like this is a bubble that is just waiting to burst and all the things you just spoke about then is exactly right? and.

37:03.25
tyson
Well I don't know it's just hot flavor of the month like it's like wait if there was a number if there was a hyped up and if number 1 draft pick next year everyone would just be like let's say Bronnie was amazing. Everyone would just jump to that. But like I don't know this happens every year doesn't it.

37:17.27
Adz
Ah.

37:19.52
Adz
Yeah, you want to see more than twelve months out of a kid.

37:21.54
tyson
Zion Luca yeah I don't know but I think he's very very good. But I just think long term like is there anyone that's gonna like a kid's gonna grow up going I want to be wenby one day like Lich no one in the earth can be wembby like he's.

37:33.91
Adz
When I grow up I want to be seven foot 5

37:34.96
youcantcompthis
It's pretty yeah, it's pretty hard to say that isn't it just the fact of how freakish he is and like the things that he can do He is ridiculously skilled over his size. Yeah and fluid. Yeah.

37:41.14
tyson
Yeah, and I Oh yeah, yeah I think he's a great part I was just talking talking talking about trading card like you know I think he's amazing like I think he's a great player but I just find it odd that big guys just don't that. Ah, they just.

37:47.50
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah.

37:59.35
youcantcompthis
But yeah.

37:59.45
tyson
The longevity of big guys. They just don't don't hold like I would have thought like and how big shack is like was back in the day and then also like how he's still like one of the most relevant and you can get his stuff pretty cheap compared to you know in comparison to a guard.

38:07.89
Adz
Ah.

38:08.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's still in the media every day making headlines hundred percent yeah Yeah yeah,

38:11.76
Adz
Um, yeah.

38:17.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

38:19.15
tyson
You know? but I don't know we say I mean when it's all said done. There's gonna be a lot of wey like how many wembby cards will there be. There might be 7000 different individual wembby cards visit rookie year. Maybe.

38:32.10
youcantcompthis
And the baseball cards. Don't forget those.

38:34.80
Adz
Nap.

38:37.60
tyson
Yeah, it could be more they could be but and it could be anything. It could be.

38:40.20
Adz
Think think of the pop counts of all the all the gra. All the all the tens that are going to come in of all the thousands of different cards.

38:47.27
tyson
But why why? why is it? Baseball is it because Topps have the license to it or because what so they got a license to Ufc so we're going to see some wembby usc cards or.

38:50.51
youcantcompthis
I Think they can just get away with that.

38:58.22
youcantcompthis
Maybe.

39:02.57
Adz
Draymonds you get his Ufc set ah just draymond on go bear just about into a Ufc set. Ah.

39:08.57
youcantcompthis
He was added again today to that guy. He's a complete lunatic. So I think I like your comparison of Shaq. But and it's probably better than mine to be fair, but mine's Duncan because same team and Duncan had.

39:14.67
Adz
Hard goodness.

39:15.30
tyson
Ah I didn't see it.

39:23.36
tyson
Oh.

39:27.00
youcantcompthis
Literally one of the best careers. Oh in my opinion I've got him in my top 5 and so for me, it's an easy comparison. You look at Duncan rookie values and you look at victors and you look you know where is this going to end up and that's it's a trick you onedefinly for me. Yeah.

39:32.83
tyson
Ah.

39:44.18
tyson
That's true. But I guess on the flip side I've seen more people where when I've seen more people in public wear wembby jerseys than I've ever seen someone wear Duncan Jerseys I went to Nba all-star weekend and it was in Indiana.

39:51.13
youcantcompthis
Yes.

39:59.97
tyson
Most common Jersey I saw was curry Halliburton Obviously that doesn't count and Wembby I Thought that was very surprising. So yeah.

40:06.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah, interesting.

40:10.80
Adz
Um, all through the lebron era I saw curry jerseys and that was it as a junior basketball coach like it was yeah through the so to through 2010 through to 2020 it was like.

40:17.36
tyson
Yeah.

40:26.26
Adz
Curry Madness Yeah, and they get water pistols and cap guns to go with that. Don't they rough. Ah.

40:27.78
tyson
Yeahp yeah and a lot of Jarmer ants. You see a lot of kids. Kids are kids Love jamarant.

40:39.78
youcantcompthis
Let's um, segue back to Tyson Beck tell us about your favorite design of a card like your all time favorite when you're a kid growing up what was like the one that influenced you or.

40:48.59
tyson
Um, ah, ah, it's good. Question. Um, oh man I don't think there was man I thought I reckon I um, open up a pack of cards and was like a game worn I got a game. No game. I guess it's event war is it eventwor Tracy Mcgrady all star weekend I ande it was his shooting I don't think it was his jersey aric and it was the shooting shirt or something you know, but I remember just say I didn't really because I was super like new into cards when ah I didn't.

41:16.77
youcantcompthis
Cool.

41:26.17
tyson
Ah, just saw a patch and I was like man this is sick I thought it was worth hates. But it probably wasn't um yeah and I really honestly I really probably doesn't answer the question that well but I just really liked the 90 style card so it wasn't 1 specific thing. It was just.

41:43.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

41:45.15
tyson
Loud bright out air cards. Ah that you look back on and I think most people love them like but I even think it was the era like I loved the and Nba uniforms back then like the Houston rockets loud out there. You know smoke the rocket.

41:51.90
Adz
M.

42:04.91
tyson
The tour toronto raptors the big the the big rap to the big pis and the at your and magic. Everything was loud and out there bright and bold and now like to look at and Nba Jerseys now they're boring they well in my opinion. Sorry they're boring. They're very simplistic.

42:04.95
youcantcompthis
The Detroit Pistons won yeah

42:21.90
tyson
Um, and that just don't do anything for me and I feel like that's very much like cards as well. Now it's just very templated like cookie cutter and I think that's just how everything is going in like um in not even just design like everything like you look at the way houses are it's just very.

42:25.51
Adz
No.

42:40.92
tyson
Very simplistic and everything but I kind of liked. Yeah I liked Maybe it was just like we always like what we grew up as kids. Yeah I I was super influenced by that stuff and I think that was the thing that got me into everything because I was aren't man this stuff looks sick.

42:45.92
Adz
Loud bold 90 s design. Yeah.

42:55.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

42:56.12
Adz
Yeah, so there's a bit of that behind the way you design your cards like the.

42:59.86
tyson
Yeah, a little bit but I don't like um I don't fully like I wouldn't say like my cards will ah if you like the 90 s you like my cards like I think you know I think it's just like I mean I just kind of just do stuff that think.

43:11.81
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:18.86
tyson
That that'll work like I don't really have like a design process or anything or like um like an inspiration board or anything I just kind of just whatever, whatever comes to mind sort of thing. But I think I definitely would be um I guess my stuff would be more looking like inserts.

43:25.69
Adz
No yeah.

43:26.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

43:37.53
tyson
90 s inserts then today's base cards if that makes any sense.

43:39.50
Adz
Yeah, yeah, like I don't know like doing like a flashback to I don't know the scoring Kings range or something like insert sets over the years that have been iconic like doing something in the same vein. Yeah.

43:45.67
tyson
The.

43:54.69
tyson
Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent and yeah, no that that is spot on and but I actually have been trying to put in some more simplistic. Um what I would call boring cards because some people like them and honestly a lot of people. Um.

44:05.58
Adz
Yep.

44:10.49
tyson
A lot of people prefer that over my usual cards and I definitely noticed when I did a release of like a more simplistic one people thought it was very ah it was the last to sell out but then the feedback in hand was actually quite good because that like oh it actually looks really clean. Looks really nice on the display. So I thought oh I'll get this more of a go.

44:12.51
Adz
Yeah.

44:24.59
Adz
Yeah.

44:27.11
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

44:30.30
tyson
I think I would just want to provide a mixture I'm not like 1 of those artists that um, a very like um stubborn and like ah you know you know it's it's my way of the highways so thing I don't care like if people are going to vibe with something. Ah I'll roll with it.

44:30.47
Adz
Yeah.

44:39.63
Adz
Yeah.

44:47.12
Adz
Yeah I like that I think it's it's that whole listen to what your your um your fans want and and try and give them something of that. It's not all about yeah one set design. Cool.

44:50.40
tyson
Yes.

44:56.80
tyson
A grade.

44:57.70
youcantcompthis
I Love the downtown cards with the literal narrative weaved into the card is there any cards that you've done like that a similar sort of process with.

45:06.50
tyson
I Think yeah I think the downtown cards are awesome. Um I think they yeah I think I Honestly think they're awesome. Um I probably haven't done anything similar to that just because I don't want it to be viewed as like a knockoff downtown card.

45:24.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah, ah do they corset.

45:25.58
tyson
Because I know like the tops have a knockoff downtown card. Yeah I think it's like hometown. Oh no mine up I don't actually home home advantage if you look there's a baseball. It's exactly the same. Um, but it's It's just their alternative of it. Um.

45:32.93
youcantcompthis
Okay.

45:43.22
tyson
But yeah, they um I haven't done anything close to I think it's awesome and I think it should be left alone.

45:48.54
youcantcompthis
I think that's the end of our questions at Tyson.

45:49.22
Adz
Yeah, yeah, ah I have a I added one I added an Adam style question and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna jump on a little soapbox and talk about regulating the hobby. But.

45:55.79
youcantcompthis
Go ahead.

46:06.75
Adz
If you could make 1 rule in the hobby purely designed to bring fairness to the hobby. What would it be.

46:13.86
tyson
Or ah, yeah, or I probably should answer differently I'd probably cause I answered before like no exclusivities would be really good I think that would be good but I don't think I don't know outside of that I'm not sure that's ah that's a really tough question.

46:20.78
Adz
Yeah.

46:31.87
tyson
Um.

46:33.46
Adz
I Guess fair is a ah relative term as well like I guess I'm talking fair to the collectors out there.

46:38.99
youcantcompthis
So something I'm thinking about for this is Penini did the dutch auctions I think that really leveled the playing field for a little while and do you do something similar to that with your drops.

46:39.34
tyson
Ah, right? um.

46:46.80
tyson
Okay, Nah never done that.

46:53.19
youcantcompthis
How do you manage the drop so that everyone gets an equal opportunity or do you still suffer from Bots jumping in and.

46:58.18
tyson
Ah, yeah, to um, it's a tough one I guess like it's a drop by drop kind of some of them get attacked by bots some of them don't depending on how big it is how hyped it is but I don't reveal prices I feel like. Reveal prices. People can set up bots I do have brot protection but nothing's um, nothing's guaranteed. But there's ways that I can fully cut out bots I have that with a collectors's got I have a collector's club so you need a collector's club role. Assign to your account. So if someone went in and bought at they don't have a collector's cover role. You can't even you can't even check out so there'll be a pre-release de collectors's club. So I kind of guarantee that if you're part of the collect's club. Um those spots. Um, you can get first access you won't be ah. Impact about bots but then um with the the public release. Ah bots do sometimes get through. But if I see them I I just cancel and I delete it and I refund them I don't want them being a part of my products um releases. Um.

47:56.32
Adz
Yeah.

48:04.65
Adz
Yeah.

48:09.80
tyson
But yeah, the drop some now don't do the dutch oxen I've done a couple like 1 of 1 card options. Um, which have gone all right, but outside I rarely do au now I just kind of make up a price and you know if I can if I can get something.

48:27.88
tyson
Unfortunately I think sometimes I'll put it out too cheap and then it's like called a dubox and would have actually worked for me very financially well because that's actually a really smart idea right? because you you basically you take the lowest price that someone's willing to pay up into a certain quantity. Like say there's 2000 boxes and it'll be the two thousandth person so you're basically selling it at what the market rate is is that right? okay.

48:48.99
youcantcompthis
I think there's a couple of different ways you can do the Dutch auction and I think I think that the way that you just described then is the fanatics way. The panini way is they they started at a particular price and then people buy them and then they keep dropping the price until the allocation's exhausted.

48:58.94
tyson
Ah, sorry.

49:06.24
tyson
Oh that's interesting and everyone pays the same amount though at the end.

49:10.13
youcantcompthis
Ah, so you'd pay a staggered so if you jump into the stocks. You're like I really want to make sure I get this, you might say pay $1000 but then if you wait and I go to like nine seventy five but you know if you wait too long then it'll all get sold out so you don't really know you sort of you sort of sitting there. It's a bit like a game I suppose. Yeah.

49:19.84
tyson
Ah.

49:22.77
tyson
Oh that's oh wow, that's brutal. The people are paying different amounts for the same product. Yeah right? I Yeah I know the one that just works out the Baseline I Actually think the first time I saw use was the is actually I think it was.

49:27.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

49:39.57
tyson
Gary V cards that zero call I don't know what happened to them zero cup it all right? sorry but I did see that.

49:41.64
youcantcompthis
Ah, Gary Vee is not welcome to be discussed on this podcast tyson. Sorry mate. Yeah.

49:48.39
Adz
Ah I remember those we were checking in though they're selling for what 8000 a box or something.

49:53.26
tyson
Crazy. Um, but I think that was like yeah the ah like people you could put $20000 in as the bid but you're only going to pay what the baseline was which I think from memory is ah actually a car I can't even say I think it was around like $800000 something other.

50:04.51
Adz
Yep.

50:11.11
tyson
I Don't know I couldn't be ah it. It was obviously very successful for fanatics.

50:11.24
youcantcompthis
Um, that was the.

50:16.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think it was.

50:18.77
tyson
Well I think I thought I think it what what I think it was yet.

50:22.30
youcantcompthis
Um, I think that was pretty pump and dumped and particularly in the after sale. There was a lot of I think nefarious sales going on to try and pump it up a little bit and yeah I don't think it's reselling very well at the moment at all. But.

50:31.91
tyson
Yeah, yeah, I'm not no I don't yeah I don't know I don't yeah I don't really look into the what would you call it pop culture I'm just I'm into sports I don't really and yeah, that's why I haven't done any of those kind of stuff.

50:44.87
Adz
Yeah.

50:51.15
tyson
Yeah, haven't released like well I did it has bola but that was that was about it I got enough shit for doing that. So yeah, did yeah ah mans a teenager man is a brat. He's you speak to he. He's got a bit of a.

50:54.95
youcantcompthis
Did you get to meet him was he funny to talk to is he like bit of a character.

51:04.16
Adz
Ah, yeah, ah.

51:11.30
tyson
He's got a what would you call it? Um I suck an eighteen year old kid. He just wants to have fun. He doesn't want to work so like if his drink if he if he's got a Coca-cola in his hand or it's like something you know he's having a good time but he loves coke.

51:17.45
Adz
Yeah.

51:26.74
tyson
Um, but yeah, he just doesn't want to work but it was interesting him signing like he got very his hand was getting very very tight. So I felt bad. Um, but ah, but it was funny because he he doesn't speak english he only speaks russian and all his team was there and he was rushing and apparently he was like on I'm not doing this I'm not doing this and all this stuff. But my friend from America was with me he actually speaks Russian so everything that they were saying he was telling me what they were saying they had no idea so I ah totally kind of got what was going on and everything which was Andy um, but yeah, he was he was her. Ah it was. It was still pretty cool to do that car before everyone else because I know every when I launched that car I had people from the companies going after you do it give us the details like who'd you go through and everything and I mean it was kind of cool to do it. But yeah I wouldn't do it again.

52:15.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's the end of our runseet would you like to hang around for a little bit more and talk some Mba or you you got to jump off.

52:28.12
tyson
I'm I'm happy to talk or just listen to the the experts here I don't um you know more than may.

52:31.59
youcantcompthis
Ah, that's a very loose term.

52:36.79
Adz
All switch run shapes.

52:39.72
youcantcompthis
I'll just it's probably easier I just copy and paste into this 1 right? because then ty can see it too are you are you reading that the run sheet Tyson I'm making it an assumption actually okay in that Casey we could probably just switch over.

52:43.79
Adz
Can say it all.

52:50.12
tyson
Ah, no, um I'm not actually.

52:55.70
Adz
What have we got what it.

52:58.53
youcantcompthis
We spoke about the tops we Wars Ah, let's talk about Jsa that's actually um, that'll be a good one to talk with tos.

53:09.84
youcantcompthis
Ah, right announcement today from jsa that they have joined forces is that the the right word with with ccg. So my gut feeling. Ah.

53:22.78
Adz
But I'm just like what is Jsa I'm just not the justice society of America all right James Squa James Spence authentication

53:31.13
youcantcompthis
So yeah let's take a couple steps back. So jsa basically all they do is just look at autographs and authentication and then they're teaming up with Ccg which at the moment. In the top 5 of grading companies and where they make their mark is they're doing sports cards. But at the same time pokemon is like there and tcg is there is their bread and butter and I think for me at the moment you know we'll talk about this the other week with with psa acquiring.

53:59.18
Adz
Um, yeah.

54:07.87
tyson
S G c.

54:09.87
youcantcompthis
Sgc does it really move the needle that much look I don't think it does but at the same time I get why companies are now banding together because if you're battling a behemoth that PS a is.

54:10.94
Adz
That's the one.

54:22.83
youcantcompthis
You know you have to do something to survive so like for me this is a survival thing you know more than anything and it will be definitely be interesting to see where this pans out I did find a conspiracy theory about this. So this is from Brian Rice on sports cards nonsense see cgc announced the acquisition of Jsa Blackstone group purchased cgc Michael Ruben was included in the deal. Michael Ruben owns fanatics fanatics have been exclusively working with Beckett to authenticate witness this in-person signings and slab Aftermark autographs sold on fanatics.com the theory is. Rubin used Beckett to understand the autograph market fanatics and ruben witness what we all have known for years that Beckett is declining rapidly. We will see fanatics terminate their relationship with Beckett and see a rise in cgc jsa how's that for a juicy conspiracy theory.

55:21.92
Adz
I agree with one of the main points out of that and that that's becketer on the decline and yeah I mean I the 1 thing I mean Beckett I know there's a lot of people out there I'm one of them that likes the Beckett slab. Um, but.

55:25.43
tyson
Oh yeah.

55:38.70
Adz
The the Minimalistic amount of the market they're taking up they are slowly fading into into nothingness by the look of it as far as grading numbers. Go.

55:45.17
youcantcompthis
Look That's a good point and maybe that is what comes out of this. You know we say it doesn't really move the needle for psa. But maybe there's other parts of the market that does get affected and what you're saying is correct actually the loser here is is bgs.

55:58.68
Adz
Um, no, it's interesting. 1

56:01.45
youcantcompthis
Speaking of bgs the thing I've noticed recently more I'm seeing from them is like comic books video games. Maybe they do recreate themselves and move into something slightly different and that is a really growing market at the moment too.

56:18.00
Adz
Yeah, everybody wants everything graded or authenticated.

56:21.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that is yeah so this next one is from our friend at Eric whiteback and I think.

56:36.84
youcantcompthis
Tyson maybe you should announce this one actually I feel you talked about this off-air. So I think you really can announce this better than anyone.

56:45.64
tyson
Oh I thought I saw um when we spoke before this podcast started. Um, we saw that he has sold his Twitter account which is like an alias for himself as an individual um to a media company who. Was a part of the firey festival stuff. Um, which kind of is that doco that everyone knows um, so'll be interesting to see the if that content changes or it stays the same and someone's just taking it over. But yeah, obviously Eric with ah the person that was um. Ah, running that account. Um will um I guess announce in due course what his what his next Um role is and everything but um, it looks like I would be working with a trading card company for sure.

57:30.20
youcantcompthis
Do you care to speculate on what Eric might be doing next.

57:40.21
tyson
Um, because yeah I guess like conflict you'd have to you wouldn't be able to run that account the way he is doing while he's working with a trading card company because a conflict of interests and everything and um and just but yeah, yeah, potentially so yeah, yeah.

57:48.36
Adz
Yeah, that makes sense.

57:50.78
youcantcompthis
We're so we're speculating here. Potentially yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

57:54.38
Adz
Could be a grading company who knows Beckett is going to resurrect Beckett. No one can do that.

57:59.53
tyson
Wow.

58:08.19
Adz
But yeah.

58:09.10
youcantcompthis
We've got to listen a question this is from Anthony Milne so this was a live question from from last week but I think we should really give this one a bit of a crack. What are the thoughts on Luca Dontius's values if he doesn't win an Mvp and he doesn't win a ring. Why don't we let. Our guest answered this one first because we all know what Adam's going to say before we even ask him.

58:29.58
Adz
It true.

58:32.95
tyson
Ah, but I'm I Just it's funny with the card stuff like I obviously I Just don't get kind of into too much the values and everything of cards because I just I'm focus on the creative of cards. But.

58:43.85
Adz
Yeah.

58:44.74
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, so.

58:46.38
tyson
When when nobody also like I'm a massive you couldn't find a bigger Nba fan than me so when I kind of look at things like I mean I kind of just look at it on court and everything and I feel like so many times like um so many times with the younger players I think we spoke about it with wembby kind of thing is that. There is little to no upside on any of these guys zion and luca and wembby and all that because they've already factored in that they're going to be a 4 our-time champion. Three-time Mvp so if they don't do that. It's going to go down even if they do those things. It's honestly probably just going to stay the way it is so.

59:22.20
Adz
Earth.

59:24.78
tyson
Um, because even you look at the shift like um like yokitch or I know yokitch is a bad example because he really wasn't like no one thought he was going to be that you know what I'm saying whereas. Yeah so you kind of need those.

59:35.26
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:36.15
youcantcompthis
Um, he's a definition of coming from obscurity that guy the definition. Yeah.

59:42.15
tyson
You need you need those to kind of work out well but when these guys come in the league like Luca's already got 2 mvps and probably 2 championships built into his price right now so he needs he needs to exceed that you know, um, so yeah I think that he.

59:48.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? okay.

59:50.60
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

59:58.37
tyson
For it to be worth heaps in the long run or these guys just ends up becoming I dare I say it. There's a hood don't I don't want someone to clip this but like do the a lot of these guys just become like a James Harden or a carmelo Anthony where it's just stats and nothing else.

01:00:14.59
Adz
I don't need to answer the question now I think ty says made my point for me. Yeah I think Luca's phenomenal on the court. But I think everybody's paying overs on him like they're they're paying not.

01:00:15.89
tyson
And know.

01:00:21.12
tyson
Ah, really okay, no I think I think Luke is amazing though.

01:00:27.19
tyson
Well.

01:00:27.70
youcantcompthis
Your phrase Adam is future prices I was waiting for tyson to say that and so yeah.

01:00:33.15
Adz
Correct You're paying your pain. Yeah yeah.

01:00:35.68
tyson
Ah, okay, with they? Yeah, they've already banked in. They've banked the thing like even the the funny thing is like when Patrick Mahomes won the last 2 super bowls. The prices didn't change at all. That's crazy isn't it. It's insane because he's already got him built in like.

01:00:45.34
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, that was or he was already. There. Yeah.

01:00:53.58
tyson
He's going to need to get to the he's going to need to get to the brady level at like 7 rings to start seeing movement or not probably 7 That's probably but you know he probably needs to win 4 or 5 you know? Um, so yeah I mean I don't even yeah, did Steph's stuff change that much when he won his fourth.

01:00:57.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

01:00:58.82
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:04.78
Adz
Um, yeah.

01:01:12.93
Adz
Um, I think the fourth really elevated him there. It was.

01:01:13.25
tyson
Don't think so no, which in my opinion actually made him like that was the biggest step out of any of his championships yet.

01:01:20.93
Adz
I Think that chiseled him into the mountain so to speak. Yeah.

01:01:23.33
youcantcompthis
I think Steph's a bit different in that. Maybe if you're buying him say in his first four or five years then you would have saw those sort of exponential rises. But if we're talking about him in the last couple of years he's sort of at a different stratosphere if you would like to use that term because.

01:01:37.14
tyson
Right? okay.

01:01:40.56
Adz
Yep.

01:01:41.37
youcantcompthis
Actually talking about some of his rookie cards that have just sold recently like they're selling for 20000 plus for low low grade like was psa 7 the card. We'll talk about last week ad wasn't it. Yeah, so we're sort of speculating.

01:01:52.80
Adz
Something like that. Yeah, it was it was it wasn't it. It was it? yeah.

01:01:56.81
youcantcompthis
If a 10 ever comes up for sale. Can you imagine you know what? that would be selling for.

01:01:59.28
tyson
Yeah I think the thing with curry is also like I mean it got to factor in how global some of these players are and like someone like curry is huge in Asia and there's a lot of money in Asia a lot of high end in Asia are are they big on Luca I don't know like I actually don't know.

01:02:06.11
youcantcompthis
Um, definitely yeah.

01:02:11.98
Adz
Yep.

01:02:19.80
tyson
But I know they're big on. Um, they're big on curry. Um, you know they're big on guys like Alan Irbisson um they like what they like over there. They were huge on Kobe like you know the massive on Kobe the whole dream. So redeem team witnessed that. Um.

01:02:28.21
Adz
Massive on kobe.

01:02:36.40
Adz
Yep.

01:02:37.80
tyson
And yeah I guess you got to I think you got to have worldwide appeal as well. Um, that's why it's like yeah even when you look at like um like the Ben Simmons like when people were going hard at him. He really needed to win over the world. Not just Australia to kind of be big in the hobby.

01:02:39.44
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:53.90
Adz
Yeah, good point. Ah.

01:02:54.19
youcantcompthis
Paul Ben Simmons all righty so my answer to this is that I find it very difficult to believe he won't get an Mvp and if he doesn't win a championship I think that means there's gonna be a very so.

01:03:07.60
tyson
Ah.

01:03:12.61
youcantcompthis
Ah, string of unfortunate events is going to like unfold. Basically so more internal conflict in the Dallas front office that results to some you know, bad decision-making or he signs some horrible supermax and gets injured.

01:03:16.43
tyson
Well similar. So.

01:03:29.68
youcantcompthis
Or a combination of both sorry I interrupted you where we say not at all make go yeah.

01:03:31.86
tyson
No I interrupted you but I was gonna ask a sub question because it've kind of gone over this previously. You were saying fit flat fussword 15 years This who are spurs fans have as the number 1 player of all time is it Duncan or wembby and how who did Dallas fans have it as their favorite or number 1 player of all time is it Dirk or Luca what would you say in 15 years for both of them. Okay.

01:03:53.71
youcantcompthis
I think in fifteen years time in my opinion. It's gonna be Luca but I would also say to Dirk is's going to hold such a special place in people's hearts because like that team was horrible before he got there like I remember that team from my childhood they would like. That were the washington wizards of of today. Basically so yeah.

01:04:13.94
Adz
Um, if if in 15 years and look I hope I hope Luca doesn't suffer this. But if the Mavericks don't win a title with Luca.

01:04:15.33
tyson
Okay.

01:04:28.36
Adz
Do do the Mavericks fans turn on Luca eventually and just be like he's no dirk because he can't even get us a chip like do they jump off the train and and ah does it does it go the other way because fans ah get like it's not Philadelphia they're not gonna.

01:04:39.24
tyson
And quite possibly. Yeah.

01:04:39.71
youcantcompthis
But at the same.

01:04:46.55
Adz
Speed on him in the straight but it's um, yeah.

01:04:47.13
youcantcompthis
But at the same time actually. But if you think about Dirk's career journey that he took he he had a lot of problems before he got that one championship and also too if you really think about his career. There was a pretty element of luck that went into that because.

01:04:58.81
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:06.57
youcantcompthis
He played that Miami team that was probably just there a year too early and then that team was battle hard anded and theyll healthy at the same time because if you think about that roster that was a very old roster when they won that championship like you know what? I mean so like that was all the all the things going together at once? Yeah, yeah, exactly so this is what i'm.

01:05:07.14
Adz
Um.

01:05:13.24
Adz
Yep.

01:05:21.61
Adz
The stars are lining so to speak? Yeah yeah.

01:05:26.41
youcantcompthis
Been thinking about with with this questions specifically so this is the Nba scoring leaders at the moment Luca first at 34 points a game second is sdathird is yarnis at thirty Kd at 27 Jaylen Brunson at 27 Donovan Mitchell at 27 tatum at 27 Devin Booker at 27

01:05:34.73
Adz
Yep.

01:05:40.98
tyson
Wow.

01:05:46.23
youcantcompthis
Steph Currie at 26 Fox at 26 Edwards at 26 trey young 26 yoki 26 we'll sort of stop that there. That's like the top 13 but where I'm going with this is when you read that list for me. This is almost like the changing of the guard because there's not that many of the sort of like the old heads there because. Of that list you you sort of say who's not going to be there in the next five years I think yarnis will still be there. Durant will definitely be gone Jalen Brunson won't be on that list in 5 years time. Steph Curry won't be and so.

01:06:17.90
Adz
You never know. Um.

01:06:19.15
youcantcompthis
Then you sort of narrow it down a little bit more and then you're like you know who's still still got the chance to get better I think sga can still get better. Luca's just 25 years of age and I think that's where I'm sort of sitting now like he is so good at basketball I actually find it a little bit confronting sometimes and I I actually wonder if that's going to be. He's.

01:06:28.25
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:36.50
Adz
Oh.

01:06:38.41
youcantcompthis
Thinking that he actually improves next it's not his scoring. It's all the other stuff that goes along with it. You know and they're starting to get those. You spoke about hard and before I actually think that's a very good comp because you know those horrible defensive positioning and defensive effort videos of Harden like they're starting to surface of Luca now. So.

01:06:40.59
tyson
Yeah I think.

01:06:40.72
Adz
No truth.

01:06:56.87
tyson
Do that there was a period where like James Harden was like the best play I've ever seen in my life like he had a month ah yeah

01:06:58.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he was ridiculous. Yeah, they had to change the rules for him. He was so good like let's be honest, Yeah yeah.

01:07:00.13
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:06.63
Adz
No yeah, that's true I um I um I'm sorry I'm just reading the the live chat and yeah matthewhos just written hashtag regulate the hobby and Hashtag Luca won't win a chip. Ah Adam Amy's ah. Main hashtags now I like this is I neat yeah with Luca won't win a chip that's going to go down like a lead balloon. Um, yeah I I think we spoke about it last week and I and it's not ah even about Luca is a player. It's probably card value wise.

01:07:23.87
youcantcompthis
Ah, you need now The t-shirt. Add.

01:07:40.12
Adz
I think and we talked about future prices. But when we're prospecting on a player. How do you prospect on somebody when people are paying the 105 year down the track prices and and that's where it's like last week we checked in with was sga and I think his silver prisms are around about.

01:07:47.70
tyson
Oh.

01:07:58.21
Adz
700 us and the pop count is half or a quarter of what the Luka rookies are so there's less of them available. He's in ah is on an upward trajectory and people are paying.

01:08:13.79
Adz
This year prices next year prices for sga do not I mean they're not paying twenty thirty prices for like they are for Luca.

01:08:21.68
tyson
But do you think I look I could be completely wrong, but this is me myself I don't understand why anyone would want an sga like rookie card if they're like a like because he's in a clipper uniform like I don't know like isn't that just weird like.

01:08:37.31
Adz
That.

01:08:39.17
tyson
If I'm an okayc fan I'd run these first year okay see I don't know that's not how the hobby works but is I don't know anything. Okay, oh yeah, what I get I'm a laker fanns I'd rather an davis first year

01:08:42.30
Adz
Oh yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point.

01:08:43.81
youcantcompthis
Ah.

01:08:46.47
youcantcompthis
Tyson this is exactly where you would mention someone like that on this show, you are free to say what you want this is this is the place. Yeah.

01:08:51.34
Adz
Love it.

01:08:58.90
Adz
Then he's New Orleans yep

01:08:58.24
tyson
Lake a card then he's rookie New Orleans card I just don't I don't know there's just that, especially it being clippers like it's just not I don't know it's just ah, surely that affects a rookie price if he was okay if if um Sga was drafted. By the thunder and he had a rookie car that was a cool card and he was in a thunder uniform I reckon it would be worth a lot more than it is today but that's just my opinion. It could be completely wrong.

01:09:24.60
youcantcompthis
Yes.

01:09:27.89
Adz
It's an interesting. It is an interesting card but it's I suppose if the player was drafted to a different team The rookie card being the valuable most valuable card is what the market dictates.

01:09:39.00
tyson
Like yeah, but do so for example, like what do you think if if say Kobe played that first season with the Charlotte hornets and then went to the lakers I feel like his rookie cards wouldn't be worth as much as they are today because who would want a Charlotte card.

01:09:52.90
Adz
Ah, that yeah, you're right? Yeah, you're completely right? Yeah yeah, and well it's interesting because you've got the draft one with him with the the New Orleans cap isn't it though? Yeah Charlotte Hornets cap

01:09:57.60
tyson
But.

01:10:04.37
tyson
Ah, yeah, the the haunt a Charlotte Hornets cat yeah Yeah yeah, yeah, but for me I guess yeah I mean that's got a story though he was traded on draft night you know um but yeah, yeah.

01:10:10.48
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm less likely to want something within in a different team. Yeah, yeah, aesthetically, you're yeah, you're bang on the money.

01:10:20.70
youcantcompthis
How about we finish off the show with one more question and we'll do it from our top contributor Matthew hull the question I have is which card player in the spurse team right? now is not getting the attention it deserves because of the wemby hysteria my peak is sojan.

01:10:40.83
Adz
What was mine going to be.

01:10:41.41
youcantcompthis
So I might open this up because I think that's a very specific question. Why don't we open it up this up to the league because actually I think this is a really good one to talk to talk about even if you say we're not talking about wembby right now we're talking about the current draft class. The last two draft class who is someone that we can look at that's been left behind and you already spoke about this today Tyson with like each year sort of like a new bubble I think this is the perfect time to be going back one drive class two drive classes even three drive classes and picking up some bargains of some really good players for 50% of what they were. Ah, year ago or two years ago so you can definitely answer the question as Maddie asked it. But I'll just sort of twist that around just a little bit to make it a bit more user. Friendly.

01:11:25.29
tyson
Um, yeah to be honest I don't I I don't know about the spurs I feel like everyone on their roster might be gone in ah in within 1 to 2 seasons. Anyway, I think there's just a lot of 1 year contracts two year contracts I don't know it's a hard one because.

01:11:31.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:11:41.38
tyson
Yeah, honestly I don't know they ross are too well in terms of like who's going to actually be staying with them long-term and who's like it's just all about like chance and how many people are getting minutes and that trade jones is playing. Okay, but ah I don't know if there's even a market for him I'm not too sure, but in terms of like the last two draft classes

01:11:44.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:12:01.22
tyson
He's he's not flying under the radar. But I think his prices are not comparable to what they should be with other players but it's like benchero like he' was the nub 1 pick. He's lit. He's got the wellno magic to the playoffs potentially that I think they might even get a home. So. Court advantage. They're only a game or 2 games out. How is this guy not getting zion got type height like he's better than zion like yeah oh there you go? Yeah I just don't and this and this guy was a number 1 pick and he was.

01:12:19.61
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

01:12:20.69
Adz
Ah.

01:12:26.43
youcantcompthis
I'll I'll take that a step further. They're like the thunder of the east. Why isn't he getting Sga type attention. Yeah yeah.

01:12:33.55
Adz
Yep.

01:12:37.14
tyson
Is it was he born in America or not no, maybe that's not ah no, he's got italian heritage. Yeah, he's got italian heritage. But I think he won't play for italy. Yeah sorry I think yeah, but he's got I think he used to play for italy growing up I think potentially.

01:12:44.83
youcantcompthis
No, he played for team Usa he's already been on the team Usa roster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Okay, yeah.

01:12:55.72
tyson
I think that was the case but I'd yeah I feel like he's flying under the radar. Why is he not getting. He was number 1 peak usually number 1 picks get hyped up. Hes and he's for some reason is it because when he went into draft night he was meant to be the number 3 pick and then for some reason Orlando was smart enough to get him that he really just never got that number 1 hype you know.

01:13:00.19
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

01:13:15.52
tyson
I don't know but I feel like he's definitely flying under the radar and prices. Okay.

01:13:17.26
youcantcompthis
I Think part of it is is location and again you know it's just in my mind. It's the really simple explanation for this is just they're just literally the okayc of the East and no one really cares about them the no unknown National Tv Yeah you know so.

01:13:18.59
Adz
Yeah.

01:13:29.45
tyson
Right.

01:13:32.91
Adz
It's a smaller market team. Unfortunate.

01:13:33.96
tyson
The.

01:13:36.88
youcantcompthis
Look to be honest, you so you stole my my answers. So I'll off I'll think up another one while I'm thinking out but another one what have you got add. No, that's totally fine. You can stick with that. That's perfect. Yeah yeah.

01:13:42.65
Adz
I had devon versale because I thought we're gonna stick on the spurs. So yeah I thought yeah but I think the the fact that I don't know anyone on the San Antonio roster means I don't think anyone's getting no love I think the only per player they really want to keep they might want to keep so Chan and and and versalle.

01:13:51.48
tyson
Yes.

01:14:02.20
Adz
Um, but they're pretty much going to build around wemby so they'll be. They'll be tooling their roster this year to see what pieces they keep they'll rotate bits and pieces out keep a couple of role players and they'll try and build and recruiting stars.

01:14:03.70
youcantcompthis
So they.

01:14:11.91
tyson
Yep.

01:14:16.99
youcantcompthis
They paid versel an absolute bag so he's the obvious one to keep an eye on in terms of Hobby prospecting because they have to give the kid opportunities. You can't pay someone that much money and fit him on the bench. So I think that's definitely one I think they're moving him at all.

01:14:25.76
Adz
Yep. Yeah, he could just be a salary cap holder. But yeah.

01:14:34.73
youcantcompthis
Frankly, almost be impossible but and then the other one to say to is calden johnson because he's got a more trade-friendly contract. But at the same time they've paid him a decent amount of cash. But I think for sal is the one you'd be prospecting on so the other one I think also to at the moment's look at is is Cade Cunningham because

01:14:37.85
Adz
Yeah.

01:14:52.73
youcantcompthis
Not only is he sort of 2 years removed the bubble of you know, being drafted. His team is an absolute disaster at the moment so you know they're not getting any attention at all. Finally I was actually looking at his card values the other day and they're not as tanked as what you'd imagine. They'd be so despite him being in this horrendous situation.

01:14:54.28
Adz
Ah.

01:15:02.20
Adz
Good stats, bad tame from him. Yeah.

01:15:12.80
youcantcompthis
He's still somehow you know keeping his head almost above the water in terms of his hobby value. So but at the same time too I think his talent level is there's enough there to actually you know be prospecting and trying to snap this kid up.

01:15:24.14
Adz
Detroit should probably sign another guard and just trade him to San Antonio and let him play with wembby. Yeah, no I wouldn't like that that'll be a spurs domin a decade after that. No.

01:15:26.18
youcantcompthis
That be pretty sick. Actually yeah.

01:15:35.90
tyson
Just um, 1 question for you guys quickly with wembby is ah I just remember obviously he was number 1 pick as well when you I wasn't kind of filtered out of cards during this time. So it's a ninti. Ah, want to ask you guys this if you guys were heavy into cars at the time but when yaomin came in did he have huge heart like Didy was his stuff crazy valuable because I mean he had ah a country with a billion or one and a half billion people behind him. He was a freak on the court like he was so good just from the get go. Did he have this huge hive and then went away or how did that work. Okay.

01:16:09.71
Adz
I Remember it was hyped in the meteor I don't remember about the hobby.

01:16:13.77
youcantcompthis
But I feel like ty you touched on this a little bit before that I don't remember my experiences being like this now where you're like connected to so many different forums and Instagram and Twitter and stuff like that. But I mean 1 thing I can comment on yarming now his prices of. Held up really really well and I think I think all of that is just directly feeds into the you know the asian market because it's a bit like aussie plays in Australia that sell really well I put yawming to that same type of you know bucket. But in a chinese bucket I suppose to to say it in a better or worse way.

01:16:35.30
tyson
Ah, really.

01:16:36.68
Adz
Chisting n.

01:16:43.74
tyson
Ah, yep.

01:16:51.24
tyson
Okay, cool yet.

01:16:52.12
youcantcompthis
Yes, no.

01:16:53.63
Adz
Ah, yeah, it's yeah all I remember is checking my card prices via buying a becket back in there and so like what websites do this stuff now God Every that's that was my ninety s collecting memory. Yeah.

01:17:09.13
tyson
Yeah gotcha. Yeah I didn't yeah I usedage I'm a hoarder I never sold anything so I still got everything Nah Nah I'm I've never sold anything like out Obviously my own cards I sell my own business. But I've never sold like I've got.

01:17:16.40
Adz
Yeah I'd look up my prices of stuff and yeah.

01:17:17.30
youcantcompthis
You've never sold it.

01:17:26.98
tyson
The most random stuff I've just never sold anything like everything that I've got is like I've gotricking. Yeah I got everything that I got my kid all my pokemon cards first edition pokemon cards which is good but um, ah they were I used to keep them more in my pencil case like they're screwed. You know.

01:17:33.66
Adz
That's awesome.

01:17:37.71
youcantcompthis
Oh man, don't talk to my brother about that that is um.

01:17:46.68
Adz
They're bent up. They had rubber bands around them like all kit. Yep yeah I Hell yeah.

01:17:46.96
tyson
I Used to carry him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so but it was still. It's still cool to have and but yeah I just got I got everything I'm bit of a hoarder. So yeah I have to I don't know I just I'd rather just when I pass away giving to my daughter or something one day and then she can she can sell it if she wants.

01:18:03.80
Adz
Um, yeah, cool cool.

01:18:05.17
youcantcompthis
So while you guys were having a chat. So Yaoming's rookie card in PSA 10 so he's 2002 toppps chrome data on card ladder only goes back to 2005 it was selling for $29 us so there wasn't.

01:18:05.37
tyson
Ah, don't think I'll be selling anything.

01:18:24.13
youcantcompthis
This insane spike at all the highest that Carter has ever sold for is 1874 and tyson I'll give you 2 guesses of what year that that cult sold for at that price correct amund well done. This is very good.

01:18:36.67
tyson
Ah, Twenty Twenty and 2021

01:18:40.50
youcantcompthis
And it's currently trading at a hundred and fifteen dollars so yeah

01:18:42.35
tyson
Oh wow Jesus.

01:18:45.34
Adz
Yeah, yeah, the joys of that covered crazy period right? cool.

01:18:49.37
youcantcompthis
So actually I mean that's that's a base card I mean the refractor is selling for you know, considerable amount more but at the same time it's It's not outrageous. Is it really I was expecting that to be way more.

01:18:51.68
tyson
Yeah, that's.

01:18:57.80
Adz
Can yeah well if you want to hear outrageous I've got one to wrap things up and since Tyson has has dealt with both players I thought it would be an appropriate finish to the to the episode.

01:19:03.37
tyson
Yeah.

01:19:05.91
youcantcompthis
All right? what.

01:19:14.24
youcantcompthis
Perfect.

01:19:17.50
Adz
Um, one of our card ladder player versus or card versus card which would you prefer a two thousand and thirteen fourteen penini prism gold number to 10 bgs 9.5 yarnis rookie

01:19:36.52
Adz
Or a twenty twelve gold Steph Curry number to 10

01:19:47.45
tyson
Oh um, what would I just rather have to add native rate. Okay.

01:19:51.72
Adz
Ps a 9 sorry that I think Russell's Chuck the the links into the into our little chat so you can see the comp.

01:19:59.90
tyson
Um, am I trying so am I trying to guess which one's worth more or just which one but I got the link up. Oh wow.

01:20:04.33
Adz
No, which one which one would you prefer so for the those playing at home. The Yarnna last sold for a hundred and fifteen thousand two hundred and the curry last sold for a 14000

01:20:21.50
tyson
I mean yeah I would take the curry in a heartbeat. Um I mean we've we just spoke about it now I think that you know honestly I feel like he is what Jordan was to kids back in the 80 s and 90 s like. I feel like when the kids now when they're 3040 fifty years old and they're they're managers of jobs and ceos of businesses and things like that when they've got money they're going to be buying stuff. They couldn't afford today which is curry cards I don't think they're going to be buying yarnis cards. Um.

01:20:43.35
Adz
Oh.

01:20:51.44
Adz
Yep.

01:20:56.48
tyson
That's just my opinion I just think that curry you know is so influential. Um, and that a lot of the the people that love curry right now they don't have money their their kids. They're teenagers but one day when they have the money. Yeah that's they're going to go crazy with that is my. Which why I would probably be picking the curry if I was talking about holding something for value but even just holding something if they were both worth a dollar I'd yeah I'd take the curry as well. I just yeah I think that it's um, um, yeah.

01:21:27.98
Adz
Um, yeah.

01:21:28.76
youcantcompthis
A dollar or a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars yeah either 1 is like it's totally cool. Yeah.

01:21:34.63
tyson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how how about you guys it? Oh wow.

01:21:35.96
Adz
Roughly you know what.

01:21:40.40
youcantcompthis
I'm going for the yana every day of the week yeah I think just for the fact that it's it's rookie populations in two thousand and thirteen fourteen you know is it's actually comical now like how many cards are in different variance and all that type of stuff is going around. Look I actually think for me the the confronting part about this is that it's sold for $115000 in a bgs slab and I almost wondered my head if this was psa 10 would that sell at two hundred two fifty and I feel like if you're a gambler.

01:22:06.70
tyson
Ah.

01:22:13.80
Adz
Wow! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:15.18
youcantcompthis
Do you just do just buy that card for 115 crack it out and send it off to psa if you've got that personality type is that the type of thing that you just do you know? so.

01:22:18.43
tyson
Um, ah ah it'll it'll yeah and it a hundred percent get a 10 That's how it works is. There's money to be made there.

01:22:27.10
Adz
Yet.

01:22:30.18
youcantcompthis
I get the appreciation of first year prism and and all that type of stuff but at the same time I just think that rookie emblem is is very important. Yeah.

01:22:38.32
tyson
And.

01:22:42.28
Adz
I think the rookie emblem number to 10 um I'm on the fence I do I do completely agree with with Tyson's actually the way you explained Steph Curry's influence as the way kids were when they were growing up with Jordan. And it was every second kid had a Jordan Jersey on that's the reason I bought a Pippin Jersey is because I didn't want to wear what everyone else was wearing but everyone wore Jordan and yeah through through and I poke fun at the lebron era but it's some. That every kid every second kid's wearing a Steph Curry jersey and as a basketball coach watching 8 year old children trying to throw up threes is quite laughable. But.

01:23:25.15
youcantcompthis
So what I took away from what what you said Tys is actually should I be going and buying a Steph Curry autograph now because they're not going to be getting cheaper if you apply your rule to that to me that.

01:23:33.10
tyson
Ah I mean yeah, he signs a lot though I think I think he signs a lot He yeah I don't know. Ah, um, yeah I don't know if there's like and if yeah I don't know if there's an official counter or something but like.

01:23:41.70
Adz
Yeah, that's another good point. Mm.

01:23:52.90
tyson
You know, look at Magic Johnson by they're worth nothing cause he signed so much like arguably I think he's signed more than any athlete in the world. That's what I'm told and same as Larry bird. Ah we don't know how if these guys keep signing I think that yeah it's hard with autographs isn't it.

01:24:07.67
Adz
Oh.

01:24:09.35
tyson
Like steps of volume volume signer volume signer. Um he he would be and that's that's the reason why Kobe's autos weren't worth much when he was alive because he was a volume signer. He was penny his ambassador he was signing a lot. Um, oh no, no, no, no, no.

01:24:20.31
Adz
Yeah.

01:24:21.16
youcantcompthis
Is Steph Penini's ambassador at the moment who's their ambassador.

01:24:28.47
tyson
No, he's never ah it was Kevin Durant for a long time when Kobe and exited the leave. It was Kevin Durant I don't think it's durant now it could be no one potentially but it might be Luca.

01:24:37.85
youcantcompthis
Because the reason I said curry is because I feel like redemptions that go on field now in my this is very subjective assessment but it seems to me a lot of them come back as white boxes or Steph Curry autographs so it seems to me like he does them a lot of favors I'm sure there's. Some remumeration going on in that you know favor space. But that's my gut feeling about Steve Curry that's yeah

01:25:01.61
tyson
Yeah I think when yeah I think when think when plays can't sign that. Yeah I've seen stuff where um, they basically yeah, the people that help me get stuff Signed panini will speak to the same people to get stuff signed as well. So um.

01:25:13.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

01:25:18.19
Adz
Ah.

01:25:18.79
tyson
There's ah, there's that but yeah, um, curry is a volume signer. So I don't know I don't know what happens he might he might he might do what lebron did and go with fanatics and be exclusive and it holds the value of his orders I'm not too sure, but um, um. Yeah I don't know I mean if you got like a rookie Auto or something surely that will hold well but that's a lot of money.

01:25:40.32
youcantcompthis
I Think absolutely I think that's just like way out of my price range I was more sort of thinking about maybe a vet autograph of his maybe a nice impeccable or something like this. Yeah.

01:25:49.69
tyson
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from which yeah like a championship year one I think like yeah if you got like something cool like a a championship year I think that's kind of makes it cool. Um, yeah.

01:26:02.85
Adz
Timeless moments.

01:26:05.19
tyson
Yeah, anything 3 point related school. Yeah like a 3 point moment. Um night night finals mvp um I think there I think but I guess yeah like how many we just don't know what will happen to a player when they're retired how how long they'll keep signing for. Um.

01:26:10.24
Adz
Yep! nope.

01:26:21.77
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

01:26:24.72
tyson
You know I think you guys were discussed in a previous podcast about lebrons didn't you have that same discussion like are the floodgates open for Lebron Autos in 2026 I think you guys had ah what's going to happen with Don know. Um, yeah.

01:26:31.98
Adz
Yeah, yeah, what's gonna happen. Yeah, but it's the old ones that they're still gonna hold their value because they they're still rare. Yeah yeah, did expect that.

01:26:33.96
youcantcompthis
I Think we're gonna be drowning in them to be honest, yeah.

01:26:45.65
tyson
Ah, yeah, you'd assume so for sure. Yeah, um, but yeah I mean look at the end of the day if you got a curry order. You're not going to look at that and discuss one day. Oh yeah.

01:26:51.89
youcantcompthis
No look tyson. We asked you to come on for 20 minutes and you've given us an hour 20 minutes so I I can't thank you enough. This has been a really wonderful evening. So thank you so much for giving us your time and.

01:26:52.66
Adz
Yeah, correct very very much. So.

01:27:03.88
tyson
Oh she? ah.

01:27:11.53
tyson
No thank you? No no, no no words at all I mean um, no I appreciate the opportunity to come speak with you guys like you know any any time I can kind of help out with other aussies I'm always down for it.

01:27:11.93
youcantcompthis
It's we're honored that you come on and you know talk with us. So thank you so much? yeah.

01:27:13.59
Adz
Yeah, this has been great. This is awesome.

01:27:23.11
youcantcompthis
Say.

01:27:26.17
tyson
Appreciate what you guys do for the hobby and also particularly in Australia I know like a lot of people start at podcast and they give up in episode 8 Um, so you guys are at what like rolling what one thirty one thirty five deep now so I mean yeah, all kudos to you guys to.

01:27:35.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah, one thirty five man yeah yeah Yeah,

01:27:37.12
Adz
One thirty five is this one.

01:27:44.29
tyson
Keep going and um, ah for getting this far. But yeah, if I'm able to help it all I'm willing to help ousies and you know whatever it's ah it's ah yeah, we we got to have each other's backs down here. So yeah.

01:27:55.30
youcantcompthis
We need some new wallpapers man that's for absolutely sure. Do you reckon? You could hook us up with some of those.

01:27:56.30
Adz
There for sure.

01:28:03.47
tyson
Ah I probably got some well what? what? fanny are you e Sacramento Kings is that he ah ah okay, and there's probably some are probably some done some horrible ones back in the day maybe like a it probably would be.

01:28:07.88
youcantcompthis
I I'm an Nba atheist so anything you give me 5 But yes I love the Kings that's for sure. Yeah, ah shoot me some old school horrible ones man that would actually make me very happy.

01:28:20.52
tyson
Maybe I know there was some like yeah done Steve some shocking Steve Francis and that that there's ah, there's an account somewhere I got to look for on. But yeah, maybe I will I'll find a link I'll find a link.

01:28:27.95
youcantcompthis
I love Steve Francis back and they send them through to me that sounds awesome. Ah I mean? Yeah, yeah, okay guys. Yeah, thanks everyone for listening on the podcast space. Also thank you to all of our central coast radio listeners.

01:28:33.27
Adz
Oh God Now this has been great. Really appreciate it.

01:28:37.11
tyson
No thank you.

01:28:45.77
youcantcompthis
Welcome aboard and we'll catch you next week Tyson. Don't go.

01:28:47.34
Adz
See you next time.

01:28:51.31
tyson
I won't.