Adam is back! And our list this week is huge;
We discuss Ebay buying Goldin's Auctions
Fanatics Fest NYC
Custom Cards
SGA Rookie
BGS new pricing schedule
All star stats to guide your hobby values version 2:
Lebron v Curry
Fox v Zion
Embiid is back
Malachi Flynn 50 ball: Should you rush out and buy Flynn??
Wemby Blossom
Flawless Bill Russell tribute
Luka Certified Sale
Kyrie Irving 1mill bonus: 50/50 played won
and finally we recap Josh Giddey's recent play.
Listen to us live on www.CentralCoastRadio.com Thursday's 10am to Noon Eastern time to hear the show threaded in with some delicious tunes.
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Adam is back! And our list this week is huge;
We discuss Ebay buying Goldin's Auctions
Fanatics Fest NYC
Custom Cards
SGA Rookie
BGS new pricing schedule
All star stats to guide your hobby values version 2:
Lebron v Curry
Fox v Zion
Embiid is back
Malachi Flynn 50 ball: Should you rush out and buy Flynn??
Wemby Blossom
Flawless Bill Russell tribute
Luka Certified Sale
Kyrie Irving 1mill bonus: 50/50 played won
and finally we recap Josh Giddey's recent play.
Listen to us live on www.CentralCoastRadio.com Thursday's 10am to Noon Eastern time to hear the show threaded in with some delicious tunes.
Thank You to our sponsors
EJ Cards Online Store, Facebook, and Click here for EJ Cards Promo Code!
SlamBox and DJs Trading Cards.
‘The Bang Man’ Facebook and Instagram
Reach out to us on socials and tell us what we got right or wrong!
You Can't Comp This Facebook
You Can't Comp This Instagram
You Can't Comp This Twitter
Gmail: youcantcompthis@gmail.com
00:01.00
Adz
Button and what we to card letter window and close that it's why is that open. Okay.
00:01.28
youcantcompthis
I'll do it.
00:11.14
youcantcompthis
Um I did a little spiel there about just like Welcome welcome to our central Coast Radio people. Um, you can read that you don't have to but if you can do something along those lines that will be fantastic. Um.
00:18.56
Adz
Ah.
00:26.34
Adz
Okay, so we just did ah the intro.
00:27.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah I just think we needed to sort of do a more formal introduction to those people because but I think we can do the podcast people at the same time too anyway, just we can keep refining that that's I just wrote that up last week and I thought it sounded okay, so yeah.
00:31.88
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:45.26
Adz
Um, yeah I'm terrible at reading off things. So I just I may paraphrase. Yeah yeah.
00:49.10
youcantcompthis
Ah, make it up That's fine. It's I know you don't have to. It's fine, just like whatever you want. It's just like a framework right? I'm recording do mean to do the sound.
00:58.81
Adz
I Yes I might get you to do the read in for the welcome welcome to this I'll do the intro and then if you want to read go and welcome to the listen.
01:07.42
youcantcompthis
Oh yeah, so you'll say welcome to the show and I'll do like all night
01:13.39
Adz
Like I'll say welcome everyone to the Nba trading and cutpugger I'm your host where your host Adam amian Russell Gibson hey Russell hey you going you're like hey welcome to everybody including our friendsn around the world blah blah blah welcome back ads. Do we want to do it that way cool.
01:21.87
youcantcompthis
Oh yeah, yeah, okay I can do that? Yep, So yeah, if you want that's fun that works. Yep.
01:40.76
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 140 of the you can't comp this Mba trading card podcast where your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson good evening russell.
01:55.47
youcantcompthis
Hey how you doing I can breathe today I can get air through my nose I'm not nearly as congested as I was last week which is great. Yeah, look. It's always good to catch up with Ryan and if you haven't listened to Ryan's episode I would.
02:02.72
Adz
Yes, yes you you were with Ryan last week. Yeah.
02:14.26
youcantcompthis
Strongly allows you to go back and listen to it because he's a very smart guy and he always has some smart things to say but he also has some nuggets to say it I think my favorite bit was that whole conversation. He did about the Hoops insert being done by the original guy who drew the kaboom. So.
02:18.19
Adz
Yes.
02:28.80
Adz
Okay, Wow yeah.
02:33.64
youcantcompthis
I I already liked those cards anyway and then when he told me that now I'm sort of tossing up. Do I collect the whole set I think that's a really cool little nugget from Ryan. So.
02:41.14
Adz
Know my my big takeaway from Ryan was was market cap I I haven't stopped thinking about that since I listened to the episode. So yeah, cool.
02:49.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay, cool. So we can. We can definitely talk about that again today because we've got version 2 of the spreadsheet up and running with all of our own suggestions in there and actually I texted him today and he's given me the um, the green light that it that I actually listened to him properly so that's that's fantastic.
03:04.75
Adz
Nice, nice, awesome.
03:06.46
youcantcompthis
Yeah, So I think we should take this time now too to welcome our listeners from Central Coast Radio. So Thank you everyone for tuning in and as we do have a couple of different time slots at the moment. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening depending on where you are in the world and thanks for tuning in again and of course all of our podcast listeners to at whatever time. Of the day you're listening to it during your transit packing cards sorting cards pretending to be working. Yeah yeah, that's it look.
03:30.63
Adz
Okay, yeah on your podcast rotation. That's it Yeah sneaking it is in in your lunch break or ah, got the the sneaky airpods in at work when you shouldn't be.
03:44.60
youcantcompthis
I Say we get straight into it ad what do you say about this there is a lot to cover and and let's see how we go if we'll get through the whole sheet I suspect we won't but these next couple of things I don't have a lot to say about but in saying that we definitely do need to talk about. So I think the first thing is that.
03:46.13
Adz
Yeah, we've got a lot to cover this week. There's haapes.
03:54.95
Adz
To our best these.
04:04.51
youcantcompthis
Ebay has announced the acquisition of Golden Co and part of the deal and I think this is the thing that we should talk about the most is the ebase Vault has also been sold to psa. So.
04:07.29
Adz
Kiss.
04:21.70
youcantcompthis
That's a little bit of it I feel like you almost need to sit down and draw a map of how all these things now link in together. But let's just break it down 1 piece at a time. So let's discuss the golden being sold to ebay where are you with this.
04:35.74
Adz
Um, I'm I'm I mean I'm in a lot of minds about it. Um I'm not sure what the everyday collector experience is going to be as far as different I don't think it will be um, the show.
04:46.12
youcantcompthis
So can I answer that So I think for me this is where I see the major benefit is that instead of and this is where I find Golden's PWC all a little bit Clunky. You can't just go onto your phone like you can with ebay and scroll through the listings. To sit down on my desktop I have to log in do the search function whereas my very basic understanding is now all of the goldens listings are going to be jewel listed on Golden's and then also on Ebay. So in terms of you having access to more listings and potentially.
05:06.36
Adz
Um, yeah.
05:25.69
youcantcompthis
Better listings I'm using air quotes for that. Maybe some higher end stuff and I think also to the maybe a little bit of the downside was if you were listing on Goldens or you were listing on Pwcc There wasn't the same volume of people beating on items on those things so that I think.
05:26.93
Adz
Sure yeah.
05:45.23
Adz
Yep.
05:45.45
youcantcompthis
That will also trickle back in. There's going to be a lot more eyeballs on these listings. So I completely interrupted you. But yeah, go from there. Yeah.
05:48.96
Adz
Yeah, no, no I think the other the main impact would be maybe some of the high end stuff will be shield bid as well. Just.
05:56.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so that part I'm not too sure about because I wonder if so they've got 2 types of auctions available 1 type of their auctions is that any regular collector and I'm including myself into this can go onto their site and bid on them.
06:11.36
Adz
Oh.
06:16.10
youcantcompthis
And then they've got another section where you need to have a verified credit card of $100000 to then go into those high-end bids. So I wonder if those high end bids are going to be kept separate because for obvious reasons that you just talk about then you know people she beating up and just basically mucking around on high-end stuff i.
06:23.90
Adz
Oh.
06:29.94
Adz
Yeah.
06:35.81
youcantcompthis
Couldn't imagine that will be that appropriate and so um, again I'm using air quotes the lower end stuff of Golden to be listed across onto ebay. So that's how I imagine that it gets played out.
06:37.33
Adz
Yeah, it's.
06:46.95
Adz
Yeah, yeah I think it'll be very. It'd be very interesting the way that it's um that it rolls out I guess um, what about the vault.
06:53.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah. 2 seconds before we touch on that I think we do need to congratulate Mr. Ken Golden on cashing out. He's got his bag. He can now go off to his retirement be sipping Penanna colatas very comfortably for the rest of his life. So congratulations sir you've done well I am expecting this to be on season 2 of his.
07:07.97
Adz
Um, yeah.
07:12.84
Adz
Yeah, yep.
07:17.70
youcantcompthis
Netflix show though.
07:20.73
Adz
Um, yeah I've got a ah saw him on Facebook gonna send him another friend request. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it. Maybe you should ask if he wants to come on the show I'll try and send him a p m.
07:25.34
youcantcompthis
Um, and just message him. Do you know who I am that will definitely get you Well now he's retired. He's gonna have all sorts of time on his hands. That's right? Yeah why? Yeah so.
07:37.21
Adz
And say plenty of time. Yeah, yeah, fly out to Australia and do a live show with us. Yeah.
07:44.73
youcantcompthis
The vault I'm gonna start this off with a little bit of a joke because I've always imagined what these vaults will look like almost ah an army Aircraft Hanger That's all been. You know, reinforced and something like this and now that it's this combined vault now I'm just sort of thinking is it gonna be like a.
07:58.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
08:03.19
youcantcompthis
Double Decker Vault and maybe there's a a level under the ground. That's you know, reinforced for bombs or something I I wish I would love to be able to have it like a tour through something like that actually. But yeah I mean all jokes aside though I think.
08:12.16
Adz
A tour through the Psa vault.
08:20.13
youcantcompthis
In terms of being a collector I really like this in terms of the practicality of it. So for example, you buy a card that's been listed on ebay. It's then sent to the Ebay vault which can then be sent to psaf grading and.
08:30.90
Adz
Ah.
08:35.75
youcantcompthis
And then I'll then assume you could then send it off to goldens for auction. So I think you know there's something to be said about that and then even if you're just sending off your card to Psa to get graded then it could be then sent to goldens you know I like that type of stuff and.
08:41.98
Adz
And.
08:54.62
youcantcompthis
I think we've been seeing so let's talk about weby for 2 seconds as a ah working example I think now is the right time to be selling. Wembby's the absolute fire that is surrounding this guy and his hobby love at the moment. It's.
08:59.90
Adz
Yeah.
09:12.97
youcantcompthis
Pretty obvious that people are getting cards sending them off to psa and then sending them straight to auction and I think that's the right play at the moment I've got no troubles with that at all that is definitely not a criticism but I think the speed of the processes at the moment enabling people to do that is a big reason. Why.
09:23.36
Adz
Ah.
09:31.72
youcantcompthis
People are getting good returns at the moment. So I think that sort of fits into all of that and you know so I think that's the pros of it. The cons of it is that now there's this basically a Monopoly and then how do you compete against it.
09:35.74
Adz
Yeah.
09:49.85
youcantcompthis
And I think there is something to be said about that and so my thought process around that is we had someone come onto the podcast a while back and their vision was to build a platform to compete against ebay and I'm using this as as an example just because it's easy for me to pair at and not because. You know I think that their business plan was bad I'm I'm not criticizing it nothing like that at all. But I'd also say to you know competing against a huge huge company like that I think is very problematic like you know trying to chip away at it and then when someone does something like this I think that just increases their their value Again. So.
10:22.79
Adz
And.
10:29.53
youcantcompthis
Like where I'm going with this is I don't see anyone now competing with ebay in this market space anymore.
10:38.51
Adz
Yeah I I tend to agree. Um, they've just sort of taken a step up in the space haven't they like they didn't have direct connections but did this whole one stop shop.
10:39.22
youcantcompthis
Like yeah, um.
10:46.13
youcantcompthis
Ah, absolutely yeah, and.
10:55.77
Adz
Where you've got a premium auction area a jeanette like a general a general public auction area and then you've got the the certified card like market so to speak.
11:01.21
youcantcompthis
Area. Yeah, and then you.
11:10.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah of being psa. Yeah, that's right, then you can get your car So so look I think again if I'm being again transparent about my feelings about this I've been very pro ebay for a long time and I think if you've listened to the show. You know that.
11:14.54
Adz
All in 1 spot. Yeah.
11:26.42
Adz
Yeah.
11:27.99
youcantcompthis
I think ebay is a good platform and I've also said in the past too that they've been doing things to improve their processes and that's something that even if you're an ebay hater. You can't deny that like they have definitely been trying to first of all, they improved the buyers experience and I think they've done a good job at that.
11:35.48
Adz
Ah, if you're.
11:41.27
Adz
Experience. Yep now.
11:43.96
youcantcompthis
And now they've been doing a lot of work to now protect the sellers. So I feel like what they've done now is quite clever because both ends are relatively quite well protected and then the other thing they've tried to implement recently was the card verification part. So I I think that's being clunky but I I still think that the.
11:58.18
Adz
So here that's been closed. But.
12:02.92
youcantcompthis
The premise behind it is excellent and maybe now what we might see is that process is completely streamlined and also too They might get a bit more input from and I'm saying this kindly from people who are professionals who can actually correctly verify. Yeah.
12:18.56
Adz
Yeah, well no.
12:20.38
youcantcompthis
And read listings properly because I think that's been part of their problem is that the listings haven't been exactly perfect, but the photos matches and then verification fails because of some you know stupid thing that's been written on a listing which I I that type of stuff drives me absolutely crazy that just like to me fails the smell test.
12:30.97
Adz
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
12:38.19
Adz
Yeah, for sure for Sure. It's um I don't know I feel like it's I think we could see a revamp or or a. Stage 2 of the verification process. Yeah yeah.
12:52.23
youcantcompthis
I hope that does happen with this new agreement that's coming into place. So yeah I really think so maybe 1 of the other things it's going to happen here is that smaller platforms that might have been trying to you know, build a foothold. Like we've got that one coming out of China I think that's a big enough market in itself that that's probably going to self-sustain and I don't think that's going to be a big deal but maybe some other sort of smaller selling platforms. You know that will be the end of them that would be 1 outcome I could imagine happening and then.
13:18.42
Adz
Um, yeah, um.
13:30.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so they've got this ah ebays also got the agreement with Com C which I think is ah a really important one now. So they've really integrated a whole lot of hobby things in you know, really quite nicely. So I'm yeah I'm very pro ebay at the moment actually like I should be maybe checking their share price and.
13:40.39
Adz
Yeah.
13:48.23
youcantcompthis
And seeing what's happening there right.
13:51.19
Adz
It's ah it's It's good to see a nice ah I don't know it's nice for us to say I have good words ah of ebay for once. Well we we did touch on.
13:57.64
youcantcompthis
So we've said lots of good words. What's some negatives I feel like we can't just sit here and and bang the ebay drum too much. Yeah, yeah, sure. Okay.
14:06.29
Adz
We we did touch on the negatives of it becoming a monopoly. Um, there's a lot. It's gonna be the market rates will be dictated now by by ebay like it's gonna be golden. Yeah.
14:17.25
youcantcompthis
Way. Yeah, maybe that's it Maybe that's a negative that they could put their prices up again and there's nothing we can do about it because they're so integrated into everything else. Yeah sure. Yeah, that's yeah.
14:25.15
Adz
Yeah, yeah, we're sort of pushing everybody onto one platform and the rate is the rate and if you don't like the rate go somewhere. You're not going to have you? Yeah yeah, yeah.
14:32.79
youcantcompthis
Like that's all right? Yeah, that's right, where are you gonna go yeah all right? So I think we've covered that really well. The next thing is to talk about fanatics fest which is now been announced. It's gonna be New York City August Sixteen to 18
14:50.84
Adz
We did mention this a couple of weeks ago that fanatics have still got these events planned. Um, yeah, it was bound to happen right.
14:52.47
youcantcompthis
That means plan. Yeah.
14:59.45
youcantcompthis
The writing was definitely on the wall because when the nationals was coming. There was a lot of talk from people that fanatics were too big to be there. They don't need to go to the nationals they're going to have their own national type event. So here we are Tom Brady Kevin Durant Peyton Manning Eli manning
15:11.94
Adz
Yeah.
15:16.81
youcantcompthis
Sabrina on icecu which I'm very excited about derek g to Hulk Hogan so they've clearly got the celebrities ticked off in absolute spades four hundred Thousand Square feet will include exclusive merchandise, product drops major announcements and more from Nfl Nba W B M Ah B N H Allen Moore
15:19.75
Adz
Yeah.
15:35.48
Adz
Yeah.
15:36.64
youcantcompthis
And there will be a trading pit for people to basically trade to their heart's content which I think is an interesting one because there has been some social media reports from other traders days and. Nationals event where people have been asked to leave. They haven't been permitted to to be doing Trade. So I Think that's a really good one that they've allowed that to go through are we should also sorry interrupt you there we should give credit to where we're getting this information from Unfortunately it's from sports Card investor.
15:57.15
Adz
Oh yeah.
16:10.49
Adz
I Is this is this a sign that sports card investor ah almost one of those unofficial like news reporting entities Now it's pretty. It is isn't it. Yeah yeah.
16:20.66
youcantcompthis
He's very well connected. Yeah, we can't deny that he's very well connected. So would you go to an event like this I think that's the real and the easiest question to ask? yeah.
16:27.44
Adz
Yes.
16:34.17
Adz
I Check one out for sure. Yeah, yeah I mean there's no incentive not to go. Do you know what? I mean like it's not it doesn't look like a bad card show.
16:50.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
16:52.11
Adz
I Know I'd go and check one out for sure I'd be I'm curious to know if they disclose what the tickets what entry is is it some outrageous amount of money or yeah, be interesting to note comparatively? Um, yeah.
17:02.16
youcantcompthis
Doesn't say.
17:08.99
youcantcompthis
Look if I can be honest with you. It's not that I wouldn't want to go but I think I'd probably prefer a smaller event just for my sort of like personality typing and I also again Anecdotally have heard that sometimes the smaller events have better tables because you've just got people with.
17:10.95
Adz
Just curious.
17:21.92
Adz
Yep.
17:28.45
youcantcompthis
Boxes of sort of you know $1 cards ten cent cards that you can sort of sit there and sort of sift through I do wonder if this will be the type of thing where it it looks all very beautiful and everything's all very high powered and so I think it's going to be a personality typing thing is is where I'm getting to it with this. Yeah I think you know the real thing is do I think this is good or bad for the hobby this is fantastic and this is actually the type of thing that I think we do need and some people have been asking for for a long time like well-produced visually appealing hobby days that you can go in and and enjoy the air quotes again. Immersive experience right? so.
18:04.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that it's not going to be your your run of the Mill card show. It's actually going to be more of an experience. Yeah yep.
18:05.93
youcantcompthis
I Think that's what they're trying to provide here. Yeah, okay. Yeah, actually gonna be more. Yeah, absolutely And overall congratulations to fanatics for you know, giving back to the Hobby because I'm sure it's not going to be a break even you know adventure for Them. So.
18:26.79
Adz
It'll yeah I'm I'm intrigued to see what this evolves into because this will be the first of many events rolled out by um, by fanatics.
18:30.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, the next couple of things are going to be straight from our social media. So we're just going to run through a couple of posts. So thank you so much. Andrew Dean he posted some custom cards but they look sick now I want to talk to you about this. I actually feel very strongly about custom cards I think that another way you could also say custom card is you could say forgery you could say illegitimate child or illegitimate card I mean it's not even unlicensed. You know it's just um.
18:56.33
Adz
Are. Town licensed. Yeah.
19:08.85
youcantcompthis
Like bootleg stuff right? So look I'm not with them at all and I think probably part of my issue too is that I can look at these cards and and I know that they're not real, but there is that sort of element at the back of my head where I'm scared that I'm going to get tricked one day by either a custom card. There was. Ah, case this week on Instagram where a person had been selling fake psa cards and fake psa slabs for a long time and they finally got caught up and we were arrested by the police. So I sort of put that into that same sort of.
19:43.43
Adz
Yep.
19:46.52
youcantcompthis
Pot and kettle and so you know again I'm I'm really stretching here but someone was trying to sell off ah a custom card this week on ah on a card collecting page and and it is just like this is not the. Appropriate forum you know for that to be sold off on. Honestly, for example, teamu sells that stuff right? and I think that's to me speaks a lot about timu that plays to me is I think if you give the money you shouldn't expect to get your stock. That's where I'm going this? yeah.
20:06.18
Adz
E yes.
20:18.10
Adz
Yeah, it's true it I I think if you're gonna produce a custom card. It's got to be for yourself but to to to put it out into the world is I'm I'm not like I'm not for it.
20:20.70
youcantcompthis
Where are you at with customs. Why.
20:33.27
Adz
If I was gonna do something in in a custom card thing. Itd be something to use as a space filler as part of a Pc display maybe but I don't I don't I don't like the idea of like I'm not gonna what is a wembby kaboom.
20:40.83
youcantcompthis
But.
20:52.68
Adz
Like no, that's just no.
20:53.89
youcantcompthis
So I think Andrew's comment down here is that it needs to be prominent on the card that it is a custom card and so the kaboom I mean you know that's a custom because it's the art type and hasn't got that baby kaboom or the Kabom type print pattern into it right? Where is that. Ah, color blast. That's very close to the truth. You know? So yeah.
21:17.72
Adz
That is, um, yeah, the color blast actually looks very color blasted. Yeah no.
21:20.98
youcantcompthis
Alright, this next one is from Dane Neville hey you can't come this crew just wanted to throw my three cents on a recent topic on the pod y sga's prism rookie card. Is not super valuable I personally think sj is awesome. However I won't be buying a single prism rookie card of his why I hear you all ask because it doesn't have the rookie card logo on it. It just looks like a vet card I much prefer Donras Optic rated rookie. Which is clearly a rookie card I believe the prism card value would be noticeably higher if it had the crest anyone else feel this way. Thank you Dane for that beautiful thought piece and Adam I'll send that straight to you.
22:09.20
Adz
Um I think it takes away from it for sure. Um, not having the rookie logo I mean the template of the card is is in that rookie look.
22:22.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, fly.
22:27.22
Adz
But it doesn't have the shield and the shield is probably 1 of the more important elements on the card in my opinion I mean we know that's his. That's his rookie year. But yeah, yeah, without without the RC on it where um.
22:44.60
youcantcompthis
So it's an error card that it doesn't have the rookie logo on it and I'm not disputing that for 2 seconds but I will slightly push back on this because the last sold price on this the psa 10 silver was six hundred usd so
22:45.60
Adz
Yeah.
22:53.14
Adz
No.
23:02.66
Adz
Ah.
23:02.95
youcantcompthis
I think traditionally his cards have been quite low. So if you go back a year or two years and I think that was more about market than the fact that it didn't have a logo on it the other card I'd probably also point out too is that there's a couple of years with flawless where the rpas didn't have a rookie logo on it. And so I would so in some ways I'm actually agreeing with Dane here because I actually think those are devalued because they are. That's what you want rookie patch autograph and it's missing the rookie part of it and I think.
23:25.80
Adz
You're right.
23:37.40
Adz
Yeah.
23:39.30
youcantcompthis
Part of the issue is it's not easily identifiable to say okay, this is actually a seventeen eighteen card which then is a rookie card. You actually need to flip the card over the back and then so what is really the aesthetic difference between ah you know a 1718 and ah 1819 card in that instance so that's probably where I feel on that whereas this one. Because of the patenting as you pointed out I'm pretty confident that this is is well I know it's his rookie card but just looking at it I'll be pretty confident that it is so um, look the part I do disagree with though is the value. Um, this is currently trading at $600 which is.
24:04.83
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:17.80
youcantcompthis
A very large chunk of cheddar I think we can both agree that so now that I've got you on this buy hold or sell SG at 600 yeah
24:21.39
Adz
Ah.
24:25.63
Adz
Sga at 600
24:30.96
Adz
Pop can of.
24:32.24
youcantcompthis
So total gem population is 65448 yeah
24:39.93
Adz
Yep.
24:46.98
Adz
Okay, so it's done all their Ps say Okay, okay, um.
24:51.40
youcantcompthis
So thanks Ryan for that little extra tidbit of knowledge there.
24:57.11
Adz
We Oh we can drill down.
25:05.10
Adz
604 total james. Okay, yeah, um, no, it's a hold for me I'm not buying it at that. Um, but I'm not the biggest fan of sga either.
25:10.78
youcantcompthis
Okay.
25:21.43
Adz
Like I think he's he's go. He's the way his prices are going and I'm not gonna waffle too much about it. But ah I can see that it's trending in the right direction which is probably a good thing. Um, but yeah I still don't I don't know.
25:41.12
youcantcompthis
I think sga as a prospect is is good. In fact I will say is a great prospect and I think for me at this price I think 600 is a good time to sell because and I might have been sitting looking this spreadsheet for too long today. But.
25:41.38
Adz
I'm not I'm not I'm not convinced.
25:48.15
Adz
O.
26:00.25
youcantcompthis
Looking at the the combined pop reports for some of these cars. It does actually make you think ah you know, actually this is quite high. So and if you like Sga as a prospect I would say take that 600 and then roll it into something else and I do wonder if the more I think about this. Maybe this is actually the more.
26:04.55
Adz
Um, yeah.
26:19.13
youcantcompthis
Of the play of what we should be looking at. So yes, you use this. You know, really nice. Juicy, lots of data points in it for the psa ten data. But then you say okay, right maybe I should be looking at something else. So I'm just going to segue down the list just a little bit add just because I think this will fit in quite nicely. So there's a luca donci.
26:30.73
Adz
Yeah. Cho.
26:38.96
youcantcompthis
Certified sale that has happened recently. So this came straight from our friends at cardladder PSA 10 it's a purple It's solved for 1718 the population on this is three though and so do I think this is a world's greatest by you know? No I don't but I I do think this is worth discussing because.
26:40.60
Adz
Okay.
26:58.55
youcantcompthis
Ah, definitely moves away from that extremely high population which is his silver psa 10 the population on that is 3158 so and now we're talking total population so gem mint so that's from bgs s twoc you know yada yada so again, thank you Ryan.
27:03.54
Adz
Yeah.
27:13.50
Adz
Yeah.
27:17.41
youcantcompthis
And so I I think that's what this person's done. They've said okay, great I'm going to take my money out of that and I'm going to put it into something that's much lower pop. So I think that's where my head is at with you know Sga Lucr at the moment with this, you know, quite high population stuff. Yeah I think we should take a break now.
27:26.24
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
27:36.46
youcantcompthis
And we should hear from our sponsors and we'll be right back.
27:41.70
Adz
10 a bit.
28:23.97
youcantcompthis
So we are back. Thank you for coming back and I think the next thing we should talk about ad is also some new news in the Hobby Bgs have adjusted their pricing.
28:37.95
Adz
They have they have indeed a couple of discounts that the or reduc price reductions.
28:46.33
youcantcompthis
45 plus business days $14 95 standard grading 20 to 25 business days is $35 for grading. So obviously we're talking usd at the moment express 7 to ten days
29:02.29
Adz
No.
29:05.49
youcantcompthis
$80 and the priority which is 2 to 3 business days one 25 points to consider. There's no upcharging so psa does the graded fee structure depending on the value of your card is how much you were then charged. So bgs is they don't offer that no membership fees.
29:09.70
Adz
Yeah.
29:19.00
Adz
Yeah.
29:24.50
youcantcompthis
And no minimum requirements. So I think for me B Js is clearly trying to do something here. They're trying to you know, get themselves back into the Marketplace. So I think they're trying to compete with pricing I think they're trying to compete with days and I think the other thing too. They're trying to compete with is like the. The minimum submission numbers which is pretty easily gotten around these days if you're going in with like ah a group sub like it's a non-issue look This is very tell us tell us the phrase.
29:43.86
Adz
Yeah, yeah, 3
29:54.56
Adz
Um, there's there's a there's a phrase. There's a phrase that's coming to mind too too little too late. Um, they needed to come out of covid.
30:02.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely 5 years too late. Maybe.
30:10.50
Adz
With this do not I mean like once the backlog was cleared. They need to hit the ground running with this two years ago
30:12.97
youcantcompthis
Um, like 1 sure like.
30:17.84
youcantcompthis
That is absolutely true. But I think we would be remiss to not say that during Covid they'll sending cards back to people they didn't even put them into their queue. They just sent them back. So like that was that's where that company was at and I think we don't need to say you know, really anything more than that look.
30:25.70
Adz
Yeah, true.
30:37.53
youcantcompthis
I just spent a decent amount of time with Ryan last week and we actually discussed this either on the air or off the air and we were talking about the nine point five and the impact that that's had on their company and how that 9.5 is gem mint but psa's gem mint is ten like and. Maybe at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they price their cards are people like the number 10 more than they like the number 9.5 like is it as simple as that. So I actually wonder if their business model is is flawed.
31:11.60
Adz
Um I look I'm a big fan of the flat rate I'm a huge fan of the flat rate the fact that I know what I'm paying to have my card graded.
31:17.15
youcantcompthis
Me too that.
31:26.14
Adz
When I send it off is amazing. The fact that psa try to take their piece of your pie for grading the card is.
31:29.38
youcantcompthis
I agree.
31:38.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
31:44.80
Adz
In my eyes I feel I see it as unethical. It's like it's not their card to take a piece of the pie out of if I'm the lucky person that pulls some crazy like if I pull the Wemby one of one I shouldn't be charged.
32:04.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure and I think what I'm ah what I'm about to say is I'm going to come off as a total p a sim here and i' and I'm I'm not even ashamed. It's not that I'm ashamed. It's just this's is how I feel about this whole thing. So what you said is correct.
32:04.30
Adz
Thousands upon thousands of dollars to have it graded I probably pay the the one 25 though for priority grading anyway. Yeah.
32:22.81
youcantcompthis
Where I will push back though is the surprise isn't that great. You either pay the sub 500 or you pay the above 500 right and then if the card comes back at 10 and then your values increase. That's the explanation for that now the part that maybe we should emphasize here is that the reason.
32:32.34
Adz
Ah.
32:37.53
Adz
Chum.
32:41.55
youcantcompthis
Part of the reason why you pay the higher grading fees because psa also for lack of a better word will ensure the card. So if it turns out that the card is not let's use the easy example of a Jordan if they grade a fake Jordan as a real jordan.
32:56.28
Adz
Yep.
32:59.47
youcantcompthis
You send it off de grading for them then it turns out that the card is not real. They will actually reimburse you for the value of that card and that goes across every single card that's to Psa now and again now that we're talking about bgs and p a no other grading company offers that as surety and I think that's ah.
33:19.42
youcantcompthis
I look I don't want to pay that higher fee. So like let's just like get that out of the way but in saying that I do want that guarantee So I am happy to pay that higher rate to get that guarantee So that's where I'm sitting. Yeah yeah.
33:32.39
Adz
Yeah, that's that's that's a it's a reasonable um count of there I do I don't know I do I do like just going I'm just gonna pay and you guys grade my card. Yeah yeah.
33:39.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely it's simpler easier. No no questions. Yeah.
33:48.40
Adz
And and that's a thing like what what are the um because it's such a quick moving market. My thing here and I think there's actually a comment from 1 of the listeners in the chat. Um.
34:04.76
Adz
Don't pay where to psa get their value from. Yeah so yeah I don't know I like they're like people don't always pay comps.
34:05.22
youcantcompthis
They literally use comps. Yeah.
34:19.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you know I mean like.
34:22.79
Adz
So you know what I mean like it's ah it's where these where the value is coming from is a point in time thing and it's I don't know.
34:26.67
youcantcompthis
There's a bit of rig. There's a bit of wriggle with it and my understanding is that obviously they do have to enforce ah a rule but at the same time. It's not always up to the highest point of what you would imagine. So yeah, yeah.
34:35.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just it's it's interesting I do like the black and white approach from bgs but you're right? It does come with a lot of guarantees and the reputation of psa to to sort of come through on.
34:42.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, all any the next segment all star voting version 2 so if you would like to have a look at this, please go to our Facebook page. It's in the pin posts.
34:53.29
Adz
That kind of stuff. Yeah, no.
35:05.26
youcantcompthis
Click on the link to go to the google donc or if you're listening to the podcast. It'll be in the podcast description please click on that and then have a listen along so I'm going to turn this over to you because I did this with Ryan last week and you know my feelings haven't really moved a whole bunch on this other than I have been studying.
35:22.68
Adz
I'm.
35:24.61
youcantcompthis
Steph Curry cards a lot and so that's probably the one that my eye has definitely been on to and I would love to hear about out of all these numbers that's sitting this spreadsheet what captures your attention the most.
35:34.17
Adz
Oh. Interesting you said captures my attention because after listening to last week's episode I did say market cap was an interesting. I think Ryan explained it really? Well I yeah and and it was like it's obvious that you multiply the value of the card by the number of copies of the card.
35:55.94
youcantcompthis
Clever people will do that? Yeah like.
36:08.91
youcantcompthis
Give my yeah.
36:10.17
Adz
To get what the market cap is right? but doing it as a what is it. It's as a how much money's been spent on this card isn't necessarily true, but how much money is invested in the card is true because not everybody paid.
36:23.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.
36:29.43
Adz
That amount for those cards. So but it's ah it's obviously not um, pinpoint data but it's a very interesting ah way of looking at it because I mean Lebron and staffer the 2 that obviously stand out.
36:43.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah, in 1 above 1
36:46.96
Adz
They're the ones that are above 5000000 and there are reasons for that because the card in question cards in question are worth a lot of money. Um I've been doing some Steph Curry research of my own It's been super super detailed and involves me walking down the street. Because the Nba exhibition thing is on in docklands at the moment. No but I know where it is because in school holidays. There are a lot of kids going and so what I did is when I went for my coffee and that's it. That's it to my my kids are all back. But every time I went down for a coffee.
37:06.89
youcantcompthis
Did you go back to school kids enjoy your first day.
37:24.46
Adz
I'd go I'd walk past where the and Nba exhibit was and the kids sort of going like families going kids with jerseys on parents with Jerseys on. There's not as many parents with Jerseys on most parents had like Jordan Jerseys or did not have mean like old school.
37:38.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
37:43.32
Adz
Um, it was it was close to 50% Steph Curry like John I just said in the chat it sounds weird Adam looking at kids I was looking at their Jerseys this is not gonna end well for me. Um.
37:46.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like.
38:01.20
Adz
It was it was literally like pushing 50% Steph Curry and it was it. It just gets me to thinking that kids that are like I don't know between the ages say 10 and 15 that are all running around in Steph Curry Jerseys now none of them have jobs right now.
38:13.25
youcantcompthis
Already? Yeah yeah, hundred percent yeah
38:20.58
Adz
And that's probably the player they're going to buy when they get 1
38:22.42
youcantcompthis
Like yeah so it's gonna be Jordan I think the one in between is probably kobe then Lebron I think the one after that's gonna be Steph I I wonder if that's sort of the logical. Yeah, like.
38:29.70
Adz
Yeah, yeah progression I feel like Lebron kind of is is in a in an interesting spot I don't know where Lebron's fan base comes from. That makes sense I don't know the lebron haters are very loud. Yeah.
38:48.58
youcantcompthis
I mean he's been around for. He's been around for 20 years so even if you even if you're a hater I still think you'll be buying his cards like let's be. Let's be realistic about this. You know.
38:59.49
Adz
Yeah, yeah, he's one of the greater. He's one of the greatest players of all time and there is no yeah.
39:05.96
youcantcompthis
It's It's fun to you know poke fun at him and all that type of stuff and I ah can't say I've never done it because I have but it doesn't mean I don't love the guy and think the things he's done is amazing. So I think you know what I mean I think all that stuff is a bit a bit of whatever to be honest, so look I think.
39:14.64
Adz
Yeah.
39:22.20
youcantcompthis
Part of this conversation was actually hat off air. So Ryan was highlighting some of the Steph Karytats and I've been looking into them. So I think for me affordability is is also part of this equation I'm not going to be able to shell out for that. So I've been looking at the bases I've been looking at the psa 8
39:31.38
Adz
Um.
39:39.41
youcantcompthis
p a nine s p s a 7 sort of around that space there I do wonder if yes, you're buying a lower grade. Yes, you're buying base and that's something that we traditionally would you know move away from but I think there is exceptions to that rule and I think Steph Curry rookie cards is you know one of those exceptions and then for all of the things that you just touched on before about you know.
39:43.88
Adz
Ah.
39:56.68
Adz
Yep.
39:58.97
youcantcompthis
Progression moving forward the population on this is still. You know, really low. So the easy example here is even Jason Tatum so some of these numbers have changed a lot from last week so basically Tatum's population more than doubled from the table last week because of the way.
40:02.89
Adz
There.
40:15.42
youcantcompthis
So this week it's got psa bgs yarddi yada so that's changed um the other change for this week's spreadsheet to is Halliburton Halliburton's price is not bottomed out but it's he's gone down a lot so I'll finish this Steph Curry thing really quickly I I think that is a buy and I think that's something to you know, look into more and then.
40:20.19
Adz
Yep.
40:34.29
Adz
Yeah.
40:35.18
youcantcompthis
We're being talking about Halliburton potentially being a $500 card. So I said a couple of weeks back wait for the offseason I wonder if this is going to trickle down a bit more I think that's exactly what's happening now. So I still put Halliburton as a buy I think he's you know a good prospect to be having a look at just. Wait and you know buy your time and then now I'm looking at this data again I think the shen good I touched on shengoon last week I'm going to double down on that again. I think that's.
40:53.52
Adz
Um, yeah.
41:07.84
youcantcompthis
I think there's some juice left to squeeze in that orange man hundred the $133 look there's not a lot of sales data on this guy. He's a bit tricky. So I think the fluctuations there are going to be quite large.
41:11.15
Adz
What is he I knew it last so hunt. Yeah, right.
41:20.90
Adz
Yeah.
41:21.91
youcantcompthis
So you might get lucky or unlucky but the population is yeah, it's quite low 105 so
41:27.55
Adz
So you reckon if you pick up a psa ten s shngurin for like ah one hundred and twenty bucks you doing? well.
41:29.60
youcantcompthis
I think if you get it for 150 us or less I think that would be totally acceptable. Yeah, what about is anything on here. That's made you think oh I should buy this or I should stay away from this something like that.
41:40.78
Adz
It's very.
41:46.50
Adz
Um, op it everyone everyone everyone knows what's coming from me right? It's Luka the pop count of Luka is 3 3158
41:46.77
youcantcompthis
Do you can say it yeah stay away from. Yeah yeah, definitely absolutely. It's quite eye watering isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely changed my.
42:02.10
Adz
That's crazy.
42:05.37
youcantcompthis
Perspective or opinion on this. Yeah I think that's been played out. Yeah.
42:08.36
Adz
Tray young well, that's a stay away. So yeah, yeah, but if you we're looking at the pop counts you go so you've got Luca you've got trey young and then you you think it's Edwards and and tatum.
42:18.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, the edwards one is quite interesting though I think because the price on that is very different from both Luka and also from trey young. So yeah, yeah.
42:28.39
Adz
But this it's very similar to Tatum which is interesting because I got similar pops.
42:37.24
youcantcompthis
More graded of edwards though that that actually took me so by Surprise yeah.
42:44.85
Adz
Um, this is this is definitely the Anthony Edwards um sort of breakout year though. So.
42:47.45
youcantcompthis
Yes I think bigger picture for edwards is I'm really struggling with edwards at the moment because if you go to the card letter data that shows you all of their cards put in together I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's bill russell Magic Johnson and then Anthony Edwards is there in terms of.
43:00.80
Adz
Ah.
43:07.11
youcantcompthis
Market cap. It's really it's quite fascinating but it's I think it's not as murky as it's murky than what you realize because the number of cards that edwards has in comparison to Bill Russell for example
43:21.92
Adz
Yeah.
43:22.91
youcantcompthis
So many more Anthony Edwards cards so than how you sort of unpack that to sort of you know capture the real value so that's why I wonder if doing single cards like this I think that other data is important I'm not trying to dismiss it. But I just I wonder if using single cards like this it becomes more important. So.
43:36.47
Adz
Yeah.
43:42.52
youcantcompthis
Maybe that's something else. We can start building into the sheet ad we put in another column and then we say you can put a filter onto it for retired players and then we start putting in like Jordan Cly Drexler James worthy Bill Russell we do some of these like big boys and you know not smaller boys. But.
43:44.56
Adz
Yeah.
43:58.86
youcantcompthis
You know the James Worthies and you know guys like that and then maybe that will give us a bit greater context that then you can compare jani to Magic Johnson you can compare lebron James to Jordan Drexler to Luca. Yeah.
43:59.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:11.93
Adz
Yeah, yeah, look we're looking at a completed career like the performance of a card for a player with a completed career. Um.
44:17.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, anyway, still a work in progress. We've had someone actually apply to have editing rights to it. So I've said yes to that person I've made a backup of the sheet. So if it all does go pear shaped. It's gonna be Okay, so let's see you know where this goes? yeah.
44:36.00
Adz
Whoever's got those editing rights just add a 0 to the luca pop count please who make me chuckle a little bit. Um, yeah.
44:41.80
youcantcompthis
All righty Adam this is from you ma so I'll let you drive this one through this is a black prism select 1 of 1 Steph Curry versus a gold lebron James Bgs 9.5 you know.
44:55.65
Adz
Oh look. It's you You know you know I can't help myself with these these card ladder which card it's well I mean they say you can't comp this but we can we can? um.
44:59.00
youcantcompthis
You do love a good comp. Yeah, like that's right.
45:10.69
Adz
Ah, thought it was interesting. It was like Steph versus Lebron we we we kind of went into that a little bit with the all-star data. But yeah, what would you? what? what would your choice of card. Be. We've got a lebron James nine Point Five gold prism from 1415 s
45:13.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
45:29.63
Adz
Yeah, 1415
45:29.91
youcantcompthis
I'm going to make this brief I'm going with the lebron for 3 reasons I think that the card looks better I like the aesthetics of it I like the color of it better than the black and there are so many select one of ones.
45:33.40
Adz
Um, okay, yep, cool.
45:46.80
youcantcompthis
You can almost make the argument that the population on that is like the same as that lebron that's number to 10 and that's a stupid thing to say. But yeah, they're 1 and one yeah and the number to 5 and the three so it probably adds up to about 10 anyway. So.
45:53.99
Adz
Ah, yeah, no, no, if there if there are fifteen one of ones in select then that's one of 15 right? Yeah yeah, okay.
46:04.85
youcantcompthis
That's where I'm sort of sitting with that look I Actually really love that design on that on that prism set I think that is just a beautiful card So there's a lot happening with that select card.
46:17.72
Adz
There is I don't know I have 1 of one curry. Just yeah, you're right? There's a lot of different ones. Um I don't know I'm I'm the fact that it's Psa as well. But the fact that it's a graded one of one who cares.
46:18.24
youcantcompthis
Tough to go past? yeah.
46:30.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look I think that speaks to definitely not definitely not I think that more speaks to the error of that particular card and I keep coming back to this spreadsheet but it's the same as the the players. So.
46:34.17
Adz
Ah, no, would you would you take the lebron and and and and crack it and re sub it to psa. Yeah.
46:49.51
youcantcompthis
Depending on the error of the card. You can see a very clear line in the sand. So if it's this particular error. They'll be more graded with bgs if you're at that crossover time this sort of like equal parts bgs equal parts psa then they're newer guys in the ultra ultramom Anthony Edwards it's like
46:58.86
Adz
Ah.
47:04.25
Adz
Yeah.
47:05.92
youcantcompthis
All psa and maybe 1 or 2 bgs and that's about it so that doesn't fuss me at all with that cart and I wouldn't even frankly I wouldn't risk it cracking it sending it off getting it back or you know and all that top of nonsense I think that's goes straight into your safe. You know? yeah.
47:11.33
Adz
Yeah.
47:17.28
Adz
I mean not the not that we we put too much stock in it but the card ladder value is Eleven Thousand nine hundred on the curry and 14500 on the lebron so tears are about right.
47:27.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's very close to the card actual sold listing though isn't it. That's yeah.
47:37.79
Adz
Um, it's interesting I know I think there's cases for both. But I thought it was nice to do all Lebron versus ah Lebron versus Steph given the alltar.
47:43.84
youcantcompthis
That's that's that is beautiful. Let's go to our second break of today and we will hear from our friends at slambox just gonna take a really quick break. What ad did we play before.
48:05.12
Adz
I Can't remember we played No, we didn't visit the um, the other one tipwie.
48:10.42
youcantcompthis
EJCards this is like old man. Um, deluxe.
48:19.73
Adz
I Think it now is the other one wasn't slam box. Um, what's the other. What's the other Brit bang man I'm pretty sure it's bang man wasn't it.
48:25.90
youcantcompthis
Bang man all right? all right? Let's hear from our friends with slambox.
48:38.19
youcantcompthis
Not That's the one we did before? Yeah definitely I Remember let's hear from our friends at Bang man.
48:41.30
Adz
Is it? Okay, let's see.
49:47.88
youcantcompthis
Okay, we're back welcome back. Thanks for coming back. Adam.
49:53.25
Adz
Yes, that was a good that was good break is it my turn to do another player versus player all right, all right? Well you want me I know why you want me to introduce is ah I did pick it it. You didn't I.
49:56.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah, please.
50:04.15
youcantcompthis
I Want some plausible deniability here I didn't put this into the run sheet that I just want to be like fully hands off on this one.
50:11.91
Adz
I just I am obsessed so with these play versus player things so which card do you prefer a ah select Penini selects daron fox gold prism to 10 psa 10 or.
50:30.59
youcantcompthis
Oh man, this is the heart versus the head conversation isn't it. So my heart just says Darren Fox straight away the number to ten psa ten. Oh that is that is very juicy.
50:30.82
Adz
Zion Williamson Blue so that's the that's the number to one ninety Nine it is.
50:47.33
youcantcompthis
If I'm using my head though I think the color match on the blue the potential on that zion is really high. Oh yeah, look I think if you're asking me about this from my own pc I mean this is not a conversation this is straight to Fox.
51:03.78
Adz
That you're on the Fox straight away. Yep.
51:07.13
youcantcompthis
But I think if you ask me about you know, putting this away and potentially reselling into the future I Think the the zion is the obvious answer there. Yeah.
51:16.44
Adz
I think I think zion is about is seeing a bit of a resurgence I mean yeah I think I think zion is owed some ah some kudos this season for for getting out and getting it done. So.
51:18.15
youcantcompthis
Absolutely I mean.
51:33.40
Adz
I don't know number to one ninety nine
51:34.00
youcantcompthis
I Think it's more the color match for me that really gives her that little bit of pop. It's a very nice looking card.
51:42.72
Adz
It is it is um yeah I would I would go the site the zion because it is a prism I'd be curious to know the pop count on the on the zion the blue I mean it won't be higher than one ninety nine so it's not gonna be eclipsing.
51:55.20
youcantcompthis
No, that is very true. Yeah.
51:56.60
Adz
Lucca anytime soon? Um, but yeah, no, it's I like it's ah it's a one of those comps where it's not 120000 versus 130000 like this is 1800 versus 1600 for the sales like. This is um, yeah.
52:16.31
youcantcompthis
So I'm actually looking at the pop report now. So data provided by gem rate. So thank you again Ryan so gems from psa is 36 now this is super weird beckett black label 10 is 2
52:21.57
Adz
Oh.
52:35.99
youcantcompthis
Perfect 10 is 14 and still the gem mint nine point five is ninety one. So either there's an error in the database or people have resubmitted that card at ah at a furious rate because.
52:50.70
Adz
A lot.
52:55.38
youcantcompthis
That almost seems improbable to me that a card with with that population has been graded that many times so I'm going to say let's disregard the Becket data and just look at the psa data for or even if we just say look why don't we look at the data.
52:57.55
Adz
You get that many.
53:09.47
Adz
Oh.
53:14.85
youcantcompthis
On the ten s so that would take us to 52 yeah I mean either that or that it's a very very big difference between the gym rate. There's 77% with Beckett and 32% with p say I'm gonna.
53:17.47
Adz
I mean the 2 black labels are money one one of those it go for.
53:33.62
youcantcompthis
Um, to say we just disregard this ad I think that's too That's too weird for me. Yeah.
53:35.37
Adz
Interesting. But yes, so we're both on the zion.
53:40.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so look I think we take the time out to have a look at his silver psa 10 price because we're talking about the the young man three hundred and sixty usd was the last sold look my sort of unintentional comedy piece of all this is that. There's been so much hobby chatter about this guy and you know he propped up the hobby for a good eighteen months and then he was injured obviously and he copped a lot of you know, flak for that. But now he's back and he's playing really well and there's just no narrative around it and i. I think that's part of the media world that we currently reside in of all this sort of clickbaity type stuff. But I think we do need to give it to him look. He's been playing very well. The pelicans are in the playoffs and not in the the play in bracket. Yeah.
54:18.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
54:27.76
Adz
Yeah.
54:31.37
youcantcompthis
They've had a lot of injuries this year so I think that you have to give some you know kudos to this guy. He's been playing really? well.
54:38.21
Adz
And it's it's funny because I'm looking at the last six months and he's actually down almost 35% in the last six months
54:43.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right, which doesn't fit at all with everything else that's going on. The only thing that you could make a pretty you can make a.
54:53.49
Adz
He's up in 3
54:55.52
youcantcompthis
Very strong argument for this I was the total population on this. So it's one thousand seven hundred and fifty one for psa 1863 for Beckett and then another 23 with sgc and then another five with csg. So yeah, and.
55:07.23
Adz
Yeah, so in the the pop pop report on card ladder yeah, it's got total population of the cart Eight Thousand four hundred and fifty nine total gems 3642 so gems at a rate of 43%
55:17.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah right. Does that make it a stay away look I obviously would you need to equate for budget that obviously needs to be said, but at the same time. Maybe that blue is a much much more shrewd purchase than a silver as we're currently standing with population.
55:44.47
Adz
M.
55:47.19
youcantcompthis
All right? Joel M Bede is back I'm very happy that mb is back and I would also say too that he did leave the court earlier the day and I haven't actually checked on the injury port report of that. But.
56:05.61
Adz
Tao.
56:05.71
youcantcompthis
I think in terms of importance. You know I want to talk about this because I still think that the seventy six s I've got a good chance this year to do something good in the playoffs and that has got a lot to do with and mb's health and you know the way that he's playing. So.
56:18.43
Adz
I agree.
56:25.28
youcantcompthis
To me the fact that they've hung around as as well as they have in his absence to me, you know speaks a lot psa population. This is 86 the last sold on this is one thousand two fifty look you know this is not a small purchase but at the same time.
56:31.30
Adz
Yeah.
56:44.50
Adz
Ah.
56:44.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that actually surprises me to be honest, I'm surprised that he's as high. You know as as what he was and maybe maybe the piece here is that we're sort of 2 years too late talking about this. But then when you. Look at the two-year sales. Actually he's down 45%. So yeah.
57:05.83
Adz
Yeah, yeah, he's um I mean in the last year he's down 20% he took a big dip and sort of read bit of a resurgence at the beginning of the year
57:14.71
youcantcompthis
All right? So is this a goodbye at $1200 then
57:25.48
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, what makes you not? What makes you not sure though I'm I'm trying to lead you into this a little bit like for me, it's injury history I'll put him into the same the same thing as zion, you know like you're just not really too sure with this guy. You know every time you.
57:25.54
Adz
I'm not sure I'm really not sure I don't know. Like even yeah, the injur injured just yeah, flat out. Yeah yeah.
57:43.61
youcantcompthis
Does something amazing like oh did he hurt himself at the same time. So yeah, all right going from $1200 down to ninety nine cents so we're now going to talk about Malachi Flynn he had a 50 ball the other day.
57:46.27
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah time.
58:00.64
Adz
Ah yes I saw I saw a um.
58:02.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, now just for some clarity here. This was supposed to be in last week's run sheet but I had about 12 things in the run sheet last week and Ryan and I got through about 3 things so there's a little bit left over from last week. So this is probably not as topical as it once was but I wanted to talk about this and.
58:15.84
Adz
Ah.
58:20.55
Adz
Well, he didn't back it up with another 50 point game. What.
58:21.58
youcantcompthis
This truth he he did not unfortunately he didn't look the thing I want to talk about this is you should you be excited about this and I wanted to give some context around that. So what I did was I went out and found the list of other people that have also had 50 point games. So before you sort of get too excited and. You know, put your retirement money into Malachi Flynn other people have had 50 balls perv a short Jamal Crawford Mohamedd Abdul Raul now that is a name I've not heard for a long time. Nick Anderson Corey brewer wheelie Burton Tony dellk Eric Gordon Jim Jackson man I loved that guy back in the day. Brett. Brandon Jennings Neil Johnson from 55 Caris Levert Kevin Martin with that. Super weird shooting stroke Vernon Waxwell Vernon Maxwell Mad Max Cj Mccollum Andre Miller which I more think of him for assist than 50 balls Mike New and now.
59:17.65
Adz
Yep.
59:19.28
youcantcompthis
This is the one that I remembered the most vividly from my childhood is Tracy Murray he was a 3 point specialist that spent a bit of time on Houston rockets bench. That's where I'm familiar with him I looked up his hoops rookie card. It's currently trading it a dollar and another sales for ten cents so
59:37.00
Adz
Wow serious.
59:38.90
youcantcompthis
It's not a home run. It's not a home run that someone would get 50 points and then become collectible. So I think you know that's the narrative there I I put some stuff on on social media on that and basically what the graph showed is that over time he's gone from $50 all the way down to pretty much to 0 So.
59:44.61
Adz
Yeah.
59:57.53
youcantcompthis
I think this is a good buy at the moment look I think for a dollar I think have a double do I think this is going to bring you back. You know 10 x or five x look maybe the best case scenario but at the same time he is playing for Detroit which is you know, a very.
01:00:02.42
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:17.11
youcantcompthis
Tumultuous team at the moment. Yeah I look I think I'm speaking on behalf of every Detroit Piston player and fan they'll be looking forward to this season being over. There's not much left. Yeah.
01:00:17.94
Adz
Such a nice word to use for them.
01:00:29.70
Adz
Oh it's it's tomorrow wasn't it the tomorrow the day after no, there's a there's 1 game left pretty much and Wendy's resting for it. So his first season is in the books anyway.
01:00:35.52
youcantcompthis
That is really caught me by surprise to be honest, yeah yeah, all right with segwayed to weby. Do you think he should be the defensive player of the year yeah okay fine you won't go bear. Okay.
01:00:46.50
Adz
Yes, no actually I think go bear his team. The team impact I think the team is important and that here's the the key reason the timber wolves are where they are. And I think impact on the team's success. Um go bear gets defensive player year but this is the last year he gets it because for all the impact that wemby's had.
01:01:17.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, the way.
01:01:22.56
Adz
The spurs didn't get to 20 wins.
01:01:23.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so just really quickly on that. So 2 points I need to eat humble pie because my argument was that that wolves team was constructed basically faultily and they needed to trade either go bear or town. So I think there's.
01:01:38.56
Adz
I Think a lot of us were saying that? Yeah yeah.
01:01:41.73
youcantcompthis
There's enough evidence over the 82 games now that actually they're a very good team. So I think you know I need to admit when I'm wrong. So I'm admitting that and I think what you spoke about too was like the defensive efficiency of gobert and that is 100% true I don't there's any denying that I think you would also be remiss to not say well Anthony Edwards offensive
01:01:56.10
Adz
Um.
01:02:01.43
youcantcompthis
Development has been a big part of their success too and I think you know that's why I love basketball because you need to be a good offensive team to be a good defensive team and vice versa like you can't sort of have you know all you know one or the other so and I think that does go hand in hand and then coming back to to Wenby So the argument I would make.
01:02:03.10
Adz
Sure.
01:02:11.53
Adz
Yeah, no doubt.
01:02:19.86
youcantcompthis
For defensive player of the year and it's a very weak argument but I haven't seen anyone for a very long time be scared of a play the way that they are with wembby like people do not want to go in the paint against this guy and he blocks shots at at a rate he blocked yoke 5 times.
01:02:31.80
Adz
Sure.
01:02:39.75
youcantcompthis
When was the last time that that happened it's there's something to be said about that and look and the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is no I was going to say the fact of the matter is you're right? Team Success does matter. But there's going to come a point in time where.
01:02:44.71
Adz
Yeah, you're right? You're right? like ah it's his rookie year but there this guy is going to be a.
01:02:58.34
youcantcompthis
Spurs are good enough and people are going to be like we have to vote for this guy. He's just changing the game defensively. Yeah.
01:03:03.16
Adz
I I do think um to to to fear I guess round out the the thought about this I think Gobert is clearly the defensive player of the this year I think it's gonna be hard if Wemby continues.
01:03:12.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, why.
01:03:20.46
Adz
His development into the monster that we think he's becoming after one season we've seen him average 3 point 6 blocks a game like that's the last one go bears winning.
01:03:21.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:03:27.58
youcantcompthis
Um, it's yeah.
01:03:35.75
Adz
Like this is this is gonna be the victor wemb Benana Award
01:03:36.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's Sean Bradley Esque with skills. Basically yeah so sticking with Webby now that we've been segueing hard into that you put something into the sheet which I'm very grateful of.
01:03:41.30
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:52.43
youcantcompthis
A cherry blossom choice PS a nine that just sold for 15009 8 two these are numbered to just 20 and of all the crazy webby sales that's been happening lately I actually think this is an iconic card and i.
01:03:56.20
Adz
Yes.
01:04:12.15
youcantcompthis
And iconic parallel of that card I'm going to go out and align and say that I think this is one of the better purchases that we've seen for a very long time.
01:04:19.50
Adz
Yeah, tonight it's a very I don't know I'm still not sold on the cherry blossoms. But.
01:04:27.35
youcantcompthis
That's fine I I am sure I'm in a minority on this but I'm going to die on this hill.
01:04:32.55
Adz
Since it's numbered to not just one the fact that it's psa nine is a bit annoying but fifteen fifteen grand and actually is that a goodbye.
01:04:41.21
youcantcompthis
I Think so I really do I think there's going to be a market out there for this card in the long term and I think sort of the longer you go through time some of the parallels become less important and feel sacrilegious to say this but I I actually wonder if Silver's a.
01:04:57.70
Adz
Ah.
01:05:00.56
youcantcompthis
Ah, going to become less important as we move forward just with the the whole population thing I think fast breaks going to drop off and then I wonder if choice some of the choice prints like the Tiger Prince stuff like that is going to you know, become sort of more of a collectible item moving forward. So.
01:05:04.31
Adz
And yeah, maybe.
01:05:18.32
Adz
Oh yeah, we'll say yep, sounds like a plan.
01:05:19.86
youcantcompthis
That's what I'm sort of banking on you know in that space. So I think we should have another ad break and then do another couple of segments and then tie this bad boy off ad great. So let's hear from our friends at Ej cards.
01:06:35.64
youcantcompthis
And we are back and we're gonna jump into some flawless floors basketball dropped in the last couple of weeks.
01:06:45.88
Adz
Us always has been Yes, yeah.
01:06:48.51
youcantcompthis
It's a beautiful product I think where it really hurts is probably not the right word but where it is for me problematic is obviously the the buy into breaks at those prices and then the skunk level. You know, just being 10 cards in the in the case, it's it's very very tricky for me so to be honest for me. Flawless is more of an an eye candy thing than ah me jumping into you know flaws breaks every week or buying my own case. You know that's just not where my sort of clickability lies like I'm I'm not drake.
01:07:06.84
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:21.96
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:24.20
youcantcompthis
So what I did want to talk about though. Is there any cards that you have seen that you just thought you know I really want that card or is there something that you've seen that you thought you know could have been better and.
01:07:37.55
Adz
I haven't actually had ah a lot of a chance to to see what's been coming out of the the flawless. Although you did link me 1 particular pair of cards and I I was a little disappointed.
01:07:39.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, why.
01:07:50.88
youcantcompthis
Ah, even just tell me about that. Then.
01:07:52.41
Adz
the the halliburton Bill Russell and the Rubio Bill Russell I the rubio and Bill Russell the halliburton one I think is interesting but.
01:07:55.40
youcantcompthis
Really? Okay, well we've got very differing opinions on this. So yeah, please walk me into that then sure.
01:08:09.46
Adz
Ricky Rubio I just I what's the point of the um.
01:08:13.90
youcantcompthis
So you think it should be someone else. So maybe Evan mobly or Donovan Mitchell or yeah, sure. Okay, yeah, that's a fair thing. yeah yeah yeah I think help. Yeah I believe.
01:08:20.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's um, like I think Halliburton's a good choice I just I just don't see rubio as a court. He's not even it do not I mean it's not like a top x player.
01:08:35.40
youcantcompthis
Um, hundred percent I'm with you? Yeah so I love this card because let's just take away the fact that it's a 1 of 1 card I love this card because so this is the Bill Russell patch that they put onto their uniforms to.
01:08:36.81
Adz
That yeah.
01:08:44.83
Adz
Ah.
01:08:49.37
Adz
Yeah, to the 6 Yeah.
01:08:50.82
youcantcompthis
To pay tribute to him. So now. They've taken that off and put it into a card. So even if this was say numbered to 5 or to 10 or you know whatever it was I just really love the concept of this and I think my opinion of this this is Penini's paying tribute to one of the. Better men of our generation. So. That's what I love I love about this so much and so for me, let's just say I hit the Ricky Rubio I agree with what you're saying that I would be disappointed. It's not Sean Kemp or something like that. But I think if you did get 1 of those cards. It's just the type of thing that.
01:09:08.95
Adz
For sure. Yeah, no.
01:09:20.85
Adz
Yeah.
01:09:27.58
youcantcompthis
<unk>s always a price for everything but in my mind almost these cards are priceless. You know I think I love the narrative behind it and I think they've absolutely nailed this I'm I'm very I'm very much like in love with these cards. So you know huge yeah look I think the overall sentiment for me is that.
01:09:33.41
Adz
Um, yeah.
01:09:38.44
Adz
I Think they are very beauty. Yeah yeah, it is a beautiful pace.
01:09:47.40
youcantcompthis
They've done a very good job with the production and the end product this year in terms of the quality control I think that's been really good and I think that has been a little bit of the criticism the last couple of years when it comes to imac and national treasures like it hasn't been well received in that way I have not heard a single complaint about flawless. Yeah, and.
01:09:52.47
Adz
Yeah, um.
01:10:07.17
youcantcompthis
Only thing I've not been offput by is just by the diamond cards and I'm not too sure. That's just a change in my sort of you know flavor for this year because previously I haven't had a problem with them. But now that I see something like this would I prefer to have a diamond card or would I prefer to have a very thoughtful patch put into something. I think I would rather have something that looks like this or maybe another on-card autograph instead of that. But that's a very sort of nitpicky. You know, perspective or opinion on it and and there might be people out there that froth for these diamond cards. But it's just not my cup of tea per se yep.
01:10:34.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:40.62
Adz
Cup of T yeah.
01:10:44.75
youcantcompthis
This next segment is about Kyrie Irving and a nice little $1000000 bonus that is in his contract if he plays 50 games and the team wins 50 wins. He gets an extra million dollars into his pocket I cannot tell you. How much I love this on so many different levels because I think it encourages players to be healthy and play games instead of sitting games at which I think we have all acknowledged this has been a problem the last few years and then more importantly I think it. Actually encourages somebody to play winning basketball. And yeah I really think he's bet on himself in this space and again that speaks to my soul you know immensely I love this so much. So.
01:11:23.75
Adz
For sure. Yeah, like no doubt.
01:11:39.60
youcantcompthis
Psa 10 silver chiri I can't go past comping one out one thousand three hundred and fifty dollars here if you look at the sales data from this the last two years it is a steep downhill so these are originally trading for 5000 so Mike Geo did a segment on these this is probably twelve months ago he was talking about this.
01:11:57.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:58.64
youcantcompthis
Saying that the prices had dropped so much he was just buying them up. He's like this is crazy like what why are people dumping these you know I'll take them off your hands. So at this price I Actually like this as a buyer because of his contributions to the court. He's got a championship his cultural contributions have been important and the population on these is.
01:12:06.32
Adz
Yeah.
01:12:18.14
youcantcompthis
Really quite low 27 for psa higher with Beckett Hundred And Twenty Four and one with sgc. So let's sort of just round that up to sort of the hundred and fifty Mark it is still a drop in the ocean compared to Anthony Edwards Jason Tatum
01:12:20.22
Adz
Yeah.
01:12:28.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah, interesting.
01:12:36.57
youcantcompthis
I Like this a lot. Actually yeah.
01:12:40.53
Adz
I yeah I tend to agree I think the that era of cards getting quality quality cards from from that sort of um, early 2010 s
01:12:52.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:12:56.81
Adz
Like they did. It's funny that the they the beckets jammed at a rate of almost 73% um yeah
01:13:04.78
youcantcompthis
It could be positive selection. It could be that B just as grades easier than Pc I'm just trying to trigger you people that I just just messing around.
01:13:11.84
Adz
Go.
01:13:18.31
Adz
Ah, but yeah, definitely definitely an interesting one. Um I don't know would you would you buy a chiri for the for that.
01:13:26.40
youcantcompthis
I think based on how much it's gone down based on his overall contributions to the game and yes, the population I don't have a massive problem with it I mean the argument could be made is can you spend that $1200 better
01:13:40.60
Adz
Yeah, but elsewhere. Yep.
01:13:42.19
youcantcompthis
Maybe you could maybe that's the argument could be made. But if you're looking at that card in singularity. Yeah I don't actually have a problem with that at all right? Josh giddy I want to talk about this now again. This is old news because this is put into last week's sheet but I I actually don't care so this is from the first of April this is from at the hoopcentral on Twitter. Follow these guys informative good content Josh Gidty's last 5 games 16 points 13 rebounds 12 assist 23 points 7 boards 9 assist 31 points 7 rebounds 4 assist twenty five nine and four nineteen nine and 8 so basically what we're talking about here is. Very well-rounded numbers. Essentially he's playing a point forward position here. He does a lot of shot creation for them. He does a lot of north-south drives to the basket. He's actually gotten I think a fair bit stronger the last twelve months I think that's other thing that's really sort of showing out in his game.
01:14:37.12
Adz
Yeah.
01:14:39.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he had some let's describe it as off-the court problems recently which caused was directly caused his cards to plummet look at the last six months he's down 63% he is currently trading at $90 usd total population. Ah, few gem cards is sorry he's of the new breed where it's all psa and no Beckett. He's got 3 gems with Beckett and 139 with psa look I at the time when that when that dropped I was adamant. You know.
01:15:10.87
Adz
Interesting.
01:15:16.50
youcantcompthis
This is like a complete stayway and I'm going to completely roll over now and say it's opposite I think this is a really really really goodbye at the moment 90
01:15:26.59
Adz
What's his ah silver going for 90 yeah I think I think we'll see in the coming weeks. How out all of our friends from Okc look because I think they're they've got a top 3 seed pretend. Well. Will know tomorrow I don't know can the thunder make some inroads in the playoffs can can these players work together is giddy sga and co the real deal.
01:15:51.50
youcantcompthis
So put that aside for 2 seconds what's the best case scenario for the o kc thunder and what's the worst case scenario just like sort of yeah worst worst case, first round and out sure best case like yeah, that's exactly where I sit.
01:16:01.50
Adz
Worst case, ah first round and out and they look like a they hunt and I get to the western conference finals. Yeah.
01:16:10.67
youcantcompthis
Right now. So take that and put it onto his hobby value. Do you think that either of those scenarios is going to change his value negatively that much. Yeah, you think people would dump his stuff.
01:16:19.51
Adz
If they get embarrassed in the first round and just basically be shown to be pretenders. Yes I think there'd be a lot of off-season doubt I don't think it's going to be trending upwards I think at a power at a plateau.
01:16:33.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so you want help? yeah.
01:16:37.57
Adz
And potentially do what Halliburton's doing and just sort of taper. Um, because people remember the last game you played and and if you you bomb out of the playoffs as ah as a train wreck. Um it'll impact but you're right like. He did tank out a lot earlier in the season because of yeah.
01:16:54.67
youcantcompthis
You very well could be right here I just think that like the upshot here is so much greater than the potential negatives in that if you really think if you really think about this team and at the start of the year if you said this team is going to be the third best team in the west.
01:17:05.31
Adz
Ah, for sure.
01:17:12.73
youcantcompthis
Let's just take the worst case scenario at the moment they could be the number 1 seed like no one was predicting that you know so I think that's a other place where I'm sort of sitting with this too is like you know these guys have had an amazing year. They've done you know fantastically? So yeah, yeah.
01:17:17.94
Adz
Yeah, that's ah, that's that's frightening and like yeah.
01:17:26.85
Adz
It's been phenomenal. Actually I agree um I am looking forward to the end of the Nba season and the beginning of the playoffs.
01:17:29.60
youcantcompthis
Final thoughts add where you at.
01:17:39.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:17:43.84
Adz
It's um, it's crunch time and I think it's it's exciting times ahead. Yeah I won't be buying into Malachi Flynn that's for sure I'm just I'm not I'm not.
01:17:55.13
youcantcompthis
Ah, what that was my a plus recommendation ad.
01:18:00.48
Adz
Look I just I don't have that kind of pocket change on me see any Tracy Murray rookies to me a deal.
01:18:06.75
youcantcompthis
Call e j cards and tell him to put aside some mallachi Flyn for you. Ah 2 for 1 you get a malachchi Flynn and a tracy murray at the same time. Yeah.
01:18:18.90
Adz
Our goodness fear that was a lot of news. Yeah.
01:18:22.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, we smashed it tonight. We definitely got through it. So thanks everyone for sticking around. Thanks for listening essential coast listeners. Thank you so much. All of our podcast aficionados. Thank you for your ongoing support it. It means the world to us. So thank you very much.
01:18:37.30
Adz
Yeah, thank you everybody? and yeah, we'll catch you next week