Episode 140: Play In Games, End of a Dynasty? Caitlyn Clark, Jontay Porter Banned

The playoffs are around the corner and Adam and Russell have a lot to discuss
NBA Play In:
Sacramento Eliminated Warriors: Fox vs Klay Thompson
Lakers defeated Pels: Zion Williamson injured
Sixers defeated Miami - Butler Injured Embiid vs Jimmy Butler
Bulls defeat Hawks

Version 2.1 All Star Voting break down
Jontay Porter Lifetime Ban
WNBA Spotlight: 
Caitlyn Clark #1 pick + draft board
Fanatics selling out of caitlyn clark jerseys
Caitlin Clark Shoe Deal
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Transcript

00:00.00
Adz

00:10.87
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 140 of the you can't comp this and Nba trading card podcast. We are your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson the playoffs are about to begin.

00:25.41
youcantcompthis
To begin Hello Hello Everyone hope you very well tonight.

00:30.97
Adz
Yes, it's a good night a bit earlier. Um the playoffs are almost upon us I say almost because a couple of the play games have already happened.

00:40.69
youcantcompthis
Um, it's such a weird situation. They've set up with that So those play in games don't include on their regular season record but I don't believe they also count on their playoff record. It's bizarre. Yeah.

00:48.96
Adz
Ah.

00:54.72
Adz
It's that limbo where like what was it the um, the play in the the in-season tournament I should know all about this. Um, it's the only thing I had to celebrate all season as a lakerss fan. Um, but Anthony Davis is big like forty Twenty game didn't count like it just didn't count. It's a bit weird isn't it like few few few players that have had 40 point game 40 pieces now that that their stats won't count.

01:12.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they need to get that sorted out think if you go out and play 40 minutes in a professional basketball game. It should count.

01:30.91
Adz
Ah, well, where do we want to kick off of this' this, there's there's a lot there's a lot this week

01:32.13
youcantcompthis
So yeah, let's let's just get into it so the Sacramento Kings eliminated the warriors. So I thought that was a really good opportunity for us to talk about first of all the warriors Dynasty and I think the obvious leading question here is is this the end of a dynasty.

01:45.28
Adz
Yeah.

01:52.30
youcantcompthis
And then the second part to that question is what should the worries do with their roster. So.

01:55.86
Adz
Is it the end of the Dynasty let's start with that one I think the Dynasty's over do I think this is the end of success for someone like Steph Curry probably not. That's ah, that's a short answer to it.

01:59.54
youcantcompthis
Not that one sho 1

02:12.18
youcantcompthis
So if you set if you say that what has to happen for Steph Curry to have success I think not.

02:13.89
Adz
And be yourself I think there'll be some retooling in golden state I think I think draymond draymond green is going to be the piece that he wants to keep because there's some interesting dynamics. As far as sth being a great leader and and and Dramond being a great enforcer for steph almost Steph's a lot a little bit lost when yeah when when dry Draymond Green's off the court. It feels like Steph is um, not lost. But.

02:44.35
youcantcompthis
He's definitely the protector.

02:53.53
Adz
Yeah I think he's more in sync with draymond than than someone like Clay Thompson I know that's a big call given that they were the the splash brothers but I don't know I feel like yeah clay might be a different discussion point.

02:55.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

03:06.41
youcantcompthis
So I think the difference between their on performance at the moment is that Draymond's game is less dependent on shooting and he's more reliant on defensive positioning and playmaking which is probably something that's a bit easier to replicate game in and game out.

03:19.18
Adz
Ah.

03:22.85
Adz
Um, sure it was um.

03:25.00
youcantcompthis
As we saw with clay in his last game which was 0 from 8 so Clay Thompson's also a free agent and Draymond's I'm just looking at his contract now. So he's got a player option for 26 27 which at twenty seven point seven million I find that very difficult. Think he's going to turn that down. So Steve Kerr came out and said immediately after the game that they want clay to come back in my fantasy world head if I was a general manager Clay coming back at say ten million a year and that gives them room to bring someone else with that.

03:42.38
Adz
Ah, yeah, yeah.

03:59.36
youcantcompthis
Because I think he got paid 28 this year. So if you imagine sort of bringing someone his else in for 18 and then you know he takes 10000000 and comes off the bench I think that will be perfect because I didn't like.

03:59.64
Adz
Um, yeah.

04:07.52
Adz
I think Clay ah, as far as team first I think Clay's taking his pay cuts I think I don't think Clay's going to be interested in in that team first buy in um, let's win a championship. Um, at the cost of some salary narrative I don't know ah like it's to be seen. We'll see what happens in free agency. The the warriors have got ah a bit of an extended holiday now to think about it. Um, yeah, like I mean they they did try to retool this season they brought Chris Paul in um.

04:34.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

04:44.42
Adz
I Don't think people I don't think people were sure how that was gonna work and and I don't I don't really think the warriors sort of got the most out of it injuries are gonna play a part in their season but still yeah I think they need to go back to the drawing board and.

04:48.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

05:04.35
Adz
And yeah, think about how they're going to make their next run.

05:07.90
youcantcompthis
So just on two things. You just said then so Clay Thompson's total clear career earnings is 223000000 and it's very easy for me to someone like take a pay cut but when you put into that context and I also don't imagine Clay Thompson to be the type of guy that's going out and spending. You know, half a million dollars at adult entertainment venues each weekend. So I kind of get the feeling. He still got about 150 of that left right? So I would love to see someone like Clay Thompson take a pay cut and then retool someone else, but at the same time I understand how that's you know it's a fantasy of me saying that on the other hand.

05:32.58
Adz
Um, yeah, he's probably got a little bit of money in the bank. It's true.

05:43.62
Adz
Yeah.

05:46.87
youcantcompthis
So we just spoke about Draymond's contract then chris po is non guaranteed next year for 30000000 and that makes it very difficult for me to think that either. He won't be traded from the warriors I think that's a really amazing trade trade chip of $30000000 and then he can be waived. That's.

05:57.64
Adz
Um, yeah, um.

06:04.99
youcantcompthis
That to me as juicy as anything. So maybe that's where the the Warriors retool because in my mind and I've sort of been saying this for a little while now like we've been seeing the slow steady decline of this Warriors team and I think if they don't do something major. It's just going to be more of the same of that slow steady decline.

06:21.86
Adz
Fish oil.

06:24.10
youcantcompthis
And so at the same time obviously I'm very biased in this space. But I think you do have to give the Kings like some flowers sue because they've had some if you look back the last three years they've had some really good battles with the warriors and actually they've been some well played basketball and I think you saw the look on the.

06:36.91
Adz
Yep.

06:42.99
youcantcompthis
The King's faces when they left that court. They were very very happy with themselves and.

06:43.64
Adz
Yeah, that it it was. It was very much a revenge game. let's let's yeah let's not sugar code it like they the warriors ended the king season last year on Sacramento's floor yeah. yeah

06:55.53
youcantcompthis
In pretty dramatic fashion too when the kings were leading that series by a lot. So I think you can make the argument that the Kings have actually improved quite a lot since then and I think they have gotten better in the last twelve months but I think the other thing you need to mention too with the kings is.

07:01.80
Adz
Yeah.

07:05.37
Adz
Oh.

07:13.60
youcantcompthis
A lot of their current rotations are actually very injury related and circumstantial so they've lost the red rocket which actually is quite a big change to them because anything else that comes into that roster is a lot less shooting and a lot more D so.

07:16.73
Adz
Yeah.

07:29.52
youcantcompthis
You know that definitely changed the equation of the way that they playing and of course losing Malik Monk is you know 20 points off the bench each game so they've really had to change the way that they play and Kega Murray stepped up and so bonus was just too strong in the middle for the warriors. So I'm again I'm very biased in this space. But at the same time it was a great game to watch. But.

07:31.24
Adz
Yeah.

07:41.66
Adz
Yeah.

07:49.31
youcantcompthis
I think overall for me my my gut feeling about this is that I just want to give a lot of respect to the warriors because they've been ah a fantastic champion and I just want to give them nothing but you know flowers. And yeah I'm definitely not going to hang crap on them like all the memes haveve been doing today. Yeah.

07:58.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah there. Yeah I mean there's a lot. There's a lot of a lot to process and look the warriors have been such a good team for such a long time.

08:13.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely yeah yeah, cutting out now call they wait. No one? yeah.

08:15.57
Adz
And um, and yeah, you're right? They definitely owed some kudos for for how how how? well they've been how long they've been together. Um, yeah, it'll be interesting to say what they do I think I think they've got the pieces to to do a very quick retool and rebuild I think I think they've got.

08:30.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? okay.

08:35.70
Adz
Options available to them and I don't know there they seem to be well. We'll see how good an organization. They are by the way they um, they adjust to these changes.

08:42.60
youcantcompthis
Would they've been telling us for a fairly long time. They're the smartest organization in the league. So let's see where this goes but time will tell right? so card related card letter came out with an amazing post.

08:50.20
Adz
Let's yeah, let's let's see time will tell.

09:00.34
Adz
They they did they. It was nice of them.

09:00.66
youcantcompthis
Basically for our show I think they just made it for us ad very nice of them. A ps a 9 gold kaboom of Clay Thompson recently sold for 4270 and then jarren Fox Fast break gold number to 10 recently sold for 3150 so Adam which one would you take here.

09:20.80
Adz
Oh.

09:26.62
Adz
The Gold Kaboom What's the pop on a gold boom is that have we got who have we got the card count like the ah the the estimated.

09:40.14
youcantcompthis
It doesn't but I can if we have a break so I'll just put a notation in and then nine forty six I can get that for you.

09:55.22
Adz
It's interesting I just.

09:55.39
youcantcompthis
Clay Thompson boom

09:58.22
Adz
Oh it says it in the card ladder thing. It says number to 10 Yeah yeah, it says Gold Kaboom number 10 it says it in the description on Instagram it doesn't actually say it anywhere official.

10:02.52
youcantcompthis
The kaboom is number to 10 or the is it.

10:18.76
youcantcompthis
Ah, okay, yeah, yeah I missed that totally okay, cool. So let's just um, let's just walk it back in and I can edit that bit out when you're asking the question and it'll flow perfectly. Yep.

10:21.14
Adz
Get.

10:28.29
Adz
So we're talking number to 10 pop count. Yep, okay, so ones are and the Fox is a rookie right? Fast break rookie auto.

10:31.85
youcantcompthis
So so both of the cards are number to 10 the clay Thompson's number to 10 and also the foxes. Yep correct sticker autograph though we definitely have to emphasize that.

10:46.86
Adz
Yeah, true still number to 10 mm.

10:49.60
youcantcompthis
And also it's the fast break variant which is the lesser desired of some of the different prism variants or you could say underappreciated Parallels.

11:02.88
Adz
Underapprecid parallels.

11:04.29
youcantcompthis
I Personally think that there is value in buying fast breaks but I would also say too. They are not as aesthetically pleasing as some of the other variants that are out there like the color match blue or the color match straight Green I I think that's you know, very nice to look at sometimes those fast breaks are pretty busy.

11:21.26
Adz
I am I'm on the fence a bit with it because probably because of the game honestly. But I'm gonna go with the clay I'm gonna go with the kaboom.

11:36.57
youcantcompthis
I Think for my own collection. You know where I'm going with this like there's not really much of a conversation to be had here and I would love to own that particular card in a different universe when I was um.

11:39.77
Adz
Yep.

11:43.78
Adz
Get.

11:49.83
youcantcompthis
You know, flying around the world in Private Jets and this type of stuff that will just be you know, sitting in my pocket like you know, but I think from a bigger picture and if you do zoom out and we've spoken about Kabooms in terms of you know, long-term value and buying up Kabooms ireguilless of who the player is you know I think that's a very very collectible card.

11:54.81
Adz
That's it.

12:01.95
Adz
Um, yeah.

12:09.36
youcantcompthis
The other thing that's a little bit interesting too I think with Clay Thompson is that and I think he'd be the type of guy that would be quite interesting in our spreadsheet for the the rookies and then the looking at the market cap because.

12:11.64
Adz
M.

12:18.97
Adz
Yeah.

12:23.62
youcantcompthis
I wonder at the moment if he's a little bit underco collectcted undervalued and then moving into the future of people will start to remember his contributions to the game and you know how he did contribute so much to that Dynasty that he's been a part of so I think there's really 2 parts to this story in terms of Clay Thompson being underappreciated and then b just.

12:36.68
Adz
Ah.

12:42.50
youcantcompthis
This is a gold Ka Boom number to to 10 So yeah.

12:42.92
Adz
Yeah, it's interesting with the yeah, the the Clay Thompson Narrative how whether or not he'll be overshadowed by by Steph in the history books. But.

12:53.79
youcantcompthis
Ah, definitely is and definitely will be but I think there's still some room to grow in that space in terms of his collectibility. That's what I like about that all right the next game This is um, a very sad story I think the way to say it. So the the lake is defeated the pelicans.

12:58.31
Adz
Yeah, definitely definitely.

13:11.30
youcantcompthis
Siman Williamson had an absolutely ridiculous game 40 points 11 rebounds 5 assist one steel one block I think you know this is the almost the ultimate story and almost the career summary of this guy at the moment where he was having a fantastic year. He was. Rallying these pelicans and he was taking that game by the the scruff of the neck. Honestly, it looked to me and I felt this way a long time about zion. It really feels sometimes it's men playing with boys. He just makes people look small and it seemed like a couple of the drives in that game that.

13:32.66
Adz
He was yeah yep.

13:46.92
youcantcompthis
People just getting out of his way and he was just walking.

13:49.55
Adz
Well when when Lebron didn't get out of his way. Lebron took a very heavy charge from ah from zion and it it flattened him. It was.

13:57.49
youcantcompthis
He just feels like sometimes he walks to the basket and there's no one else around him though. He's just his presence is yeah.

14:04.82
Adz
Yeah, yeah, zion is like he was he was showing so much and posts in season tournament which is the last time like just when sort of that turning point happened for the pelicans. Um, they've they've been really good.

14:17.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, ah.

14:21.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

14:22.38
Adz
Really, really good and zion's been healthy and for him to exit the game with with a hamstring injury with 3 minutes to go I think that's um, that's devastating like I think that's ah, there's a real factor there as to why the lake has won. Because they were coming home with a wet sail the the pelicans and yeah, yeah, yeah, and Brandon Ingram was on not a minutes restriction but he spent he'd spent too long on the bench and was cooling off so they couldn't get him back on the court.

14:42.66
youcantcompthis
I agree I think the game outcome could definitely have been different if zion had a stayed in the game 100% but you know.

14:56.37
youcantcompthis
I think he still is on a minutes restriction and yeah, that is he's still coming back from an injury himself. So I think take what you just said then and I think you really need to reflect on that because I think we now need to accept this is who Ian Williamson is he he's gonna have these amazing.

14:58.58
Adz
Was what? yeah yeah.

15:14.41
youcantcompthis
Bert's in games and then he's going to have injuries and it just seems like you know both are going to come hand in hand with this guy. So I think I'm at the point now where it's not that I don't trust him. It's just this is where that's the basket I've put him into he's going to be a high performing play when he's on the court but he really can only.

15:18.80
Adz
Yeah, okay.

15:31.51
youcantcompthis
Expecting to be there between 45 and say 62 games a year I really think that's his his future now and then look you might do a Bill Walton and then string together 1 healthy year of his career and get that championship like who knows but I think really, that's where you need to put him into.

15:37.00
Adz
M.

15:45.30
Adz
It's true.

15:50.10
youcantcompthis
So his injury has been now reported on. He's been through every scanner known to man including an Mri he has got a left hamstring strain. So they're quite specific about that. It is a strain not a tear a tear.

16:01.54
Adz
Not a snapped ear.

16:05.10
youcantcompthis
So he's out for the king's game which is the next elimination game which is coming up. So if you're a kings fan. You know that's really good and I think that then puts a lot of backwards pressure on Branon Ingram because I think he's the one who's going to be expected to fill up a lot of the slack the other winners in that potential spaces Herbert Jones and Trey Murphy because

16:16.60
Adz
Um, yeah.

16:23.23
youcantcompthis
There's going to be a lot more shots and bore handling opportunities going around. So I think we should check Zion's prices at the moment though because it might be too early to see any current reflections on what's been going on but sure.

16:25.13
Adz
Most definitely.

16:34.99
Adz
I've got the I've got the six month data up. He's actually down almost 30% over the last six months

16:40.91
youcantcompthis
Which I'm not surprised about that because his total pop across Psa and bgs is three thousand six hundred and forty two and that's for the Silvers Market Cap sure current market cap ad is one point four three million

16:48.68
Adz
Yeah I'll get the pop the the pop report the detailed one up from card ladder so far out. So yeah, total population on the silver is 8460 Total Gems 3006 42 yeah so he gems at a rate of 43% but that's a lot of um, that's a lot of gems across psa and Beckett.

17:05.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, soft.

17:19.67
youcantcompthis
It is ah do you want to know something funny I've been sitting and adding up each number individually not realizing that it says total gems at the top I wondered how you got that number so quickly. That's a good one for me to.

17:29.63
Adz
Yeah, yeah, when you click on the little booklet in Card Ladder and gives you the population report goes total population then total gems and the last population update which is probably an important I like that It's very.

17:43.15
youcantcompthis
I Didn't read that ad.

17:49.25
Adz
In your face. Thank you Ryan for your contribution.

17:50.98
youcantcompthis
So I think we have to ask the question again is this a buy holder a sell at the moment.

17:59.67
Adz
Um, hate to say it I think it's a cell I'm off I'm off the train. Um I think he might he might level out. He might fluctuate between like three fifty and five hundred bucks but like

18:00.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah I'm a hundred percent with you on that? Yeah yeah, it's too level out, you might.

18:14.56
Adz
Every time he gets healthy. Yeah yeah, um, well, there's no yeah, there's no, there's no other scenario here. There's no, there's no if he had of he keeps getting injured. We can't We can't really bank on anything.

18:14.81
youcantcompthis
I Think the risk profile here is now just so much more? yeah.

18:29.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, definitely and I think what you were talking about then with his decrease in the last six months I I do wonder if that's just a continuation of that just down I think where to me is going to be more intriguing to watch I think.

18:33.62
Adz
So.

18:38.75
Adz
Oh.

18:48.33
youcantcompthis
Silver Psa Tens are played out is when you look at his other cards. He's on card autographs. He's rpas. Maybe you can look at some of his cheaper rpas and see if that's something that's you know, worth buying to I don't think you need to dump your entire collection. But I think something like this is most like a.

18:51.73
Adz
Yeah.

19:03.10
Adz
So yeah, changes the.

19:07.70
youcantcompthis
<unk>s going to be going down I don't think it's going to be going up in the next six months so and look at maybe in six months time we can revisit this and it's going to be at a point where it's so cheap and you go actually this is actually quite a nice little buy. So yeah.

19:09.85
Adz
True.

19:18.93
Adz
Yeah I think this is one of those things where we wish we were wrong. Yeah, no, no, no, not all that's ah yeah, pause Iron present.

19:23.92
youcantcompthis
Ah, definitely this doesn't make me happy at all. No I hope I didn't come off as saying that? yep. I think let's go for our first commercial break and music breaker. Yeah.

19:35.74
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

19:56.67
Adz
A.

20:20.67
youcantcompthis
And we are back.

20:24.72
Adz
We are indeed shall we should we go across to the eastern conference and look at their their playing games. Ah it was a lot closer than I thought it would be the the Miami Philly game. Ah so.

20:28.58
youcantcompthis
Absolutely.

20:41.31
Adz
Philadelphia the the the run continues the resurgence of Joel Mbide playing himself into form 23 points 15 boards in a leading the sixes.

20:47.30
youcantcompthis
Know Yeah, my.

20:55.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:57.50
Adz
You know 105 104 victory over the Miami heat I don't think the story is on this side of the floor. It's nice to see the 6 is up in the in the in this in the seventh seed I think that that matchup against New York is going to be very interesting but. Unfortunate news is that Jimmy Butler looks to have injured himself and the early reports are it could be ah, an mcl which is which is not good. Not good.

21:28.60
youcantcompthis
So I'm just looking through the box score at the moment and just trying to pick out some things that has taken my eye the 2 things that's really taken my eyes embied shooting numbers so he was not fantastic from the field but 2 from 4 from 3 and then 9 from 10

21:35.73
Adz
Um.

21:48.31
youcantcompthis
The free for alliance I think that is what's really saved his line there. The other thing too is if you look at the minutes spread across the six s it's almost like they've got their playoff team already in stone. So they've got their starters. The lowest starters minutes is Kyle Lary at 28 which makes sense then you go to the bench.

21:48.50
Adz
Um, yeah.

22:05.55
Adz
Yep.

22:07.18
youcantcompthis
Only 4 people checked in Paul Reed at 9 minutes nicholas patun at 27 buddy healed at 17 and then Cameron paint paid 3 minutes like it's barely even a a cameo is it so look I really like Philadelphia and I think if you are looking at a team to do something this playoffs.

22:10.89
Adz
Yep.

22:16.13
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

22:26.34
youcantcompthis
Who's not that high in the seatings this to me is probably the team to look at if they're healthy, There's a lot of upside here. Yeah, but.

22:30.14
Adz
I think if Joel m b doesn't get injured. They're the 2 seed so we'll we'll see how inform and b can get but Miami do get a second chance. The question is without Jimmy Butler how how good is that chance gonna be.

22:45.16
youcantcompthis
So who do they play in the playing game now.

22:49.14
Adz
Ah, the other game today was Chicago and Atlanta and it was the Chicago bulls.

22:56.33
youcantcompthis
Right? Okay, so yeah, they can definitely beat the bulls without Jimmy Butler I don't think that's an issue at all this need just need hero to get say 30 or 35

23:03.24
Adz
Um, and ah yeah I was gonna say the yeah and Alex Caruso went down in that one unfortunately with a with an injury that said Kobe white drop 42 is impressive.

23:19.60
youcantcompthis
When he gets going. He can definitely get hot like that. But I mean let's be honest here. The Atlanta Hawks aren't exactly a defensively ah proficient. Yeah, you know they've got a couple of guys that can play D but there's not a lot going on there.

23:20.55
Adz
So.

23:26.82
Adz
A major defensive light. Yes, yeah.

23:34.80
youcantcompthis
Hey I do have a hot take for you and this is probably about the hottest take that I'm going to cook up for quite a long time match up in the east is the bucks and the paces now I've been ranting and raving about hallibur all year but hear me out for 2 seconds there's not a lot of teams that can.

23:40.20
Adz
Yep.

23:52.10
Adz
Yep.

23:53.99
youcantcompthis
Hang 15157 points on teams and the paces can do it and they could I think they can do it twice in a series that's I don't think that's even controversial where I think they're walking into a really good situation and I'd put the Sacramento Kings in the same sort of thing too. They're not going to be playing a bucks team at full strength yarna is out and there's no real indication of when yarness is coming back so you can interpret this what I'm saying is you can say oh it's gambling advice. Please do guys do not take my gambling advice I am as.

24:18.56
Adz
Ah.

24:31.66
youcantcompthis
As good as John Johnte Porter and we're going to be talking about him next yeah I don't fix games but I am as good at betting as what johnte poer is but I think in terms of picking an upset and then sort of pairing in it as to why that could happen like I really think that.

24:33.91
Adz
Ah, oh we're gonna get onto that one. Yes, for sure.

24:41.94
Adz
Ah, goodness.

24:49.90
youcantcompthis
Going to be a very difficult matchup for the bucks without yarnis so if Halliburton plays well I'm I'm all in on this sort of huge upset coming out of the east to be honest, so yeah.

24:53.37
Adz
Ah.

24:58.53
Adz
Yeah, um I have not got faith in the in the bucks to get the job done. That's for sure.

25:03.61
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, they've been quite tumultuous really since Docs taken over and this might be that this might be probably the worst matchup in the east for them to be honest, yeah.

25:06.33
Adz
Yeah. Well yeah, and I look I don't I don't know if they if they don't have a healthy because they've they've done it in playoff runs before with without a healthy yarnas. What do you do.

25:28.41
youcantcompthis
I Do agree with that. But I don't think they've come into a team quite like the pieces like when they're on like ah.

25:32.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, well they lost it. Oh I was going to say the bucks have lost Grace and Allen they gave up all a lot of their defensive identity to to be the team they are and they're not great at the moment. So. Yeah I don't have high hopes for the for the bucks in that matchup.

25:50.89
youcantcompthis
All right I said this you off the air if I go on too much about this. Just cut me off but Johnte Porter we have to talk about this like.

25:57.56
Adz
We do We do I I kind of glanced over it a little bit I didn't I didn't read too much into it I'm like I here we go another idiot but.

26:06.54
youcantcompthis
So there is a lot of content on this at the moment and it's very very early days. So for me I'm gonna be watching this with quite like an eagle eye So I'm very interested in this. So.

26:18.20
Adz
You'd call it a precedent case wouldn't you.

26:20.57
youcantcompthis
You can call it a lot of different things and if you want to call it a precedent case I will definitely go with that but in a lot of ways there is precedence for this. So obviously we've got the Tim Donahue referee situation and then.

26:27.93
Adz
Yeah, yeah I mean they've only just allowed betting back though. That's like a lot of the gambling like in the Us Vegas is sort of only just recently been.

26:36.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right? So I so I think we need to preface is that people have always gambled but now they've legalized and regulated it so that it's something that is basically now coming into the public eye a lot more in terms of advertising you know in arenas.

26:44.80
Adz
Yeah.

26:53.30
Adz
Um, yep.

26:55.25
youcantcompthis
And then obviously if you're an Nba leagueak pass person like now the odds are built into your leak pass like that's something that's a new experience for people. So yeah, look so johnte porter is a 2 wo-way he was a 2 wo-way player for the toronto raptors so he wasn't even a full rostered.

26:59.38
Adz
Oh yeah.

27:08.26
Adz
Yeah.

27:13.22
youcantcompthis
And salaried and Nba player. So I think that's a really good place for us to start on this. Yeah and the reason why that is a good place to start is because his total salary for that year is $400000 so one of the bets where he came on done was is he was betting on his.

27:14.59
Adz
Good place to yep.

27:31.28
youcantcompthis
Total points rebounds in a c assist line. The line was 12 now if you're personally asking me I think it's ridiculous that you would set it at 12 for johnte porter in the first place but what he was doing was he was putting huge bets on himself on these lines and then he would enter into the game.

27:41.70
Adz
Ah.

27:49.79
youcantcompthis
And then say oh I'm sick. Oh I've got like an eye injury or some of that so there was 3 incidences when that happened and the reason why that it was highlighted because each time that these huge bets were going to be paying out so they're paying out basically for a million dollars each it was also the same.

28:04.44
Adz
Ah.

28:05.97
youcantcompthis
Time that he coincidentally was like you know, sick or unable to go through So I've tried to reference a lot of what I'm saying the best I can but to be honest, the video that this next part I'm about to say I do apologize to the person who created this content but I I didn't actually write it down and it was a video that was in like a scrolling sort of feed so I couldn't go back to it.

28:23.10
Adz
Yeah.

28:25.95
youcantcompthis
Um, and this was a common thing that happened in the and the 80 s and tennis and that's also how they discovered players who were match fixing in tennis so they would play the first innings or whatever it's called in tennis and then they would say oh I've pulled my hamstring or whatever and then they'll go out but see the thing is if you don't go out and play 1 minute or 1 game.

28:32.37
Adz
Wow Yeah, yeah, first set.

28:45.85
youcantcompthis
The bet gets nullified whereas and that's how they get around and do the max match fix fixing with it. So in this particular johnte porter thing. That's exactly how they pulled it up so now the guys on first take were talking about this and they were saying oh it's funny how when casinos are paying out. That's when they'll go back and.

28:49.90
Adz
Wow.

29:05.60
youcantcompthis
Get their money back and not paid out and 1 of the bets. They didn't pay out. They actually canceled the johnte port a bit um and then they're also saying to well you know if you're losing your money. They'll extend your hotel and get you to keep coming back. So.

29:18.10
Adz
Um, yeah, that.

29:18.66
youcantcompthis
Don't think like I'm being a simp for casinos here like I'll I'll paint both sides of this. But 1 thing that and I'm going to strongly emphasize this the reason why I think regulated gambling is good is because now when stuff like this happens. They've got measures in place that's right to actually pick this stuff up. So like I'm all for this and and so.

29:30.45
Adz
There are eyes on it. Yeah.

29:38.90
youcantcompthis
Not only am I all for this I love a good conspiracy theory. So I can't wait to you know hear about what all comes out for this. So the Nba is saying ah he bet on himself to to win and then all 3 no sorry he bet on himself to lose and all 3 of those games that he bet.

29:42.68
Adz
Yeah.

29:54.49
youcantcompthis
Only those 3 games that he bet on to lose they won all 3 of them so that was a joke that I was making before about me betting like johnte porter. So but I find that so difficult to believe because and actually I'm almost having flashbacks to the donahue story where they're like oh there was only 3 games that he fixed and that he influenced and like I am.

29:59.79
Adz
Um, ah yeah.

30:14.13
Adz
Ah.

30:14.39
youcantcompthis
Ah, hundred percent certain that donahy influenced you know more than a hundred games right? and same as this John Tape yeah I'm so same as this johnte porter guy. You know like okay, fine. There's only 3 games that they can you know categorically say you bet on these 3 and oh there was no real harm because you know you actually didn't.

30:16.24
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure for sure I remember that talk I.

30:28.13
Adz
Evidently like yeah yeah for sure.

30:34.31
youcantcompthis
Win money. You know you lost money and they're saying here that in total he only won $21000 I don't believe that for 2 seconds you know I think maybe they can tire to him $21000 and and that so yeah, like.

30:34.67
Adz
Yeah.

30:45.88
Adz
Yeah, but that's a thing like if you're as soon as you're doing something and I get it if you go you go put a long shot bet on and you win again. A cassino is probably going to go? Yeah whatever. But if a bookmaker is like this 1 person that puts bets on.

31:01.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, 1

31:04.25
Adz
Constantly hits long shots. That's that's the Anomaly alarm and and with betting accounts. It's all tracked like your individual history is tracked and monitored so and they do have like they they have these internal alerts and things that would come up if there are irregularities into your betting patterns.

31:07.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right, yeah accounts.

31:13.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah I.

31:23.62
Adz
Into to what you're betting on like it's It's not the brightest of thing to like I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to bet on yourself Anyway, it's part of the player code of conduct. Yeah.

31:31.50
youcantcompthis
No you you can't that they can't bet full stop and a lot of the betting goes through their friends account. So that's the other thing that they do to so taking this back to the shohe a tani thing I don't think we actually spoke about this on the show last week I had it in the run sheet and we didn't do it. But.

31:39.75
Adz
Yeah.

31:51.17
youcantcompthis
That's part of the show hay thing is that was it his so he he alleges that it was in his interpreter that did all the bets without without his knowledge right? like took $50000000 out of his account which is again complete nonsense. But that's the same thing right? So they weren't using sho hay's account. They were using the interpreters.

31:58.40
Adz
Ah, yeah.

32:09.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's ah.

32:10.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so I think we should turn this gambling into cards which is you know what we are. We are a card show after all. So if you go to one thirty point at the moment the action on Johnte Porter's cards is like is hot right now every couple of minutes one of his cards is selling so he doesn't have pro stuff. He has.

32:28.50
Adz
Yeah.

32:29.34
youcantcompthis
Prism draft picks and he has contenders draft picks and he's got some imac col clegeate stuff but well so this is what I was going to put to you like you know we buy hold or selling Johnte Port at the moment like are these going to go down in Infamy almost these cards. Yeah well.

32:35.68
Adz
Why are people buying its cards.

32:44.11
Adz
Sell sell you probably make more than he did.

32:48.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so maybe this is what people are doing. Maybe that's what people are doing. There's dumping them off at the moment but there's also people buying them too. You know there's some interest in this space. So I think just a morbid curiosity man. It's I think it's like yeah, totally.

32:57.34
Adz
I'd be interested to know why people are buying it. It's It's an yeah, oh look. It's a quirky thing right? It's It's always the story behind the card. So yeah.

33:06.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right I think it's like how people go out and buy serial Killer memorabilia and stuff like that I think this is the same thing This is sports. Yeah, it's a sports notoriety type stuff. Yeah, so he's.

33:12.11
Adz
the Mark the Mark Jackson and then yeah, yeah, all right yeah all right I get it I get it? Yeah yeah, it's a quirky quirky ah card.

33:22.66
youcantcompthis
Ni patch number to 5 imac card looks like on card autograph from here that's sold for fifty usd like that's not pocket change even for a kid who's never coming back? Yeah yeah.

33:24.13
Adz
Yet.

33:33.25
Adz
No, that's like what the hell What? what is wrong with people lifetime ban that that has meaning it's ah see if they reverse the see see if they reverse the decision I don't know no, there's not.

33:41.31
youcantcompthis
Ah, it does have meaning there is no way he's coming back? yeah.

33:48.89
Adz
It's That's what I mean by being a precedent case though like I definitely think they're making an example of it and a very big example of it to go. We don't tolerate this. This is not acceptable and if you get caught forget being involved in but in sports again.

33:53.89
youcantcompthis
They might need an example of it. Absolutely yeah, yeah, not example.

34:04.23
youcantcompthis
And I think if we're being honest here too I think he's a perfect person to make an example with like let's just say let's use Jarmarant for an example and I'm not alleging jar has ever made a single bet but let's be realistic here.

34:08.33
Adz
Oh.

34:20.32
youcantcompthis
Stuff that he got up to in the last couple of years was maybe worse in what John day Porter did like if are we being.

34:28.20
Adz
Yeah, yeah, look I'm not I'm not going to disagree there. Um, they're different but they're definitely code of conduct. They have very serious.

34:34.56
youcantcompthis
Different crimes. No no doubt. Okay, so let me let me use in another example and then that probably wasn't a great one. What if somebody was not quite an old star but say played in the rookie sophomore game so they were a good young and up and coming player and they made the same bets. As Johnte Porter did and they were on a full and Nba contract. Do you think that that same play would be suspended would be banned for life really I don't think they will be if.

35:00.58
Adz
Yeah, you've got to you reckon. They'd be on like a 1 year suspension and good behavior plans and.

35:10.96
youcantcompthis
Okay, so again I'm putting my conspiracy hat back on you like you can tell how much I'm loving this right? So Jordan took a break and I'm using air quotes on this Google Michael Jordan Gambling conspiracy there is so many different theories about this guy betting on golf.

35:13.63
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

35:22.41
Adz
Oh.

35:31.60
youcantcompthis
Betting millions of dollars in casinos and there's stories about him staying out all night you know smoking cigars and gambling right? No and and I am not alleging that but there is all sorts of theories about there of why he took a year off from basketball and went and played baseball.

35:34.57
Adz
I Know he was a degenerate gambler but I didn't think he ever been on basketball.

35:50.28
youcantcompthis
Some people say you know he was bereaved and some people say he was actually asked to step away from the game. Get your gambling debts under control and then come back and um, yeah, so you know that's what I'm saying to you like.

35:50.73
Adz
Oh.

35:59.19
Adz
Wow. Okay.

36:05.24
youcantcompthis
Yes, this is a good precedent but also there has been other precedents in basketball like some pretty good ones too. So plus or minus Jordan we've got the donnnaue one and then I I don't think they will so ban for life. Ah, a really good play I think they'll give them you know suspension or something like that.

36:08.30
Adz
E.

36:19.13
Adz
So if Luca came out and was.

36:22.77
youcantcompthis
Right? Let's use Luca as and he would get. He would get half a half a year he would get 42 games 41 games yeah

36:27.46
Adz
Yeah, yeah, interesting.

36:34.59
youcantcompthis
All right? Let's take our second break of the day and we'll hear we're past halfway of the show. So ah sorry I see what you're saying? Yep yeah.

36:36.31
Adz
That wasn't too long that wasn't too long at all that was good. Me did well for the Johnte Porter We good. Yeah, let's take a break Good idea.

36:53.56
youcantcompthis
Let's hear from our friends at the bang man.

Play the bank man again. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's easy that way.

00:00.10
Adz
Ah, yeah, let's do that. Let's try that that commercial break 1 more time. Easy.

01:00.47
youcantcompthis
And we are back. We are back. So let us just do a couple of minutes. We don't need to do a lot of time on this but version 2.1 of the all-star voting spreadsheeep is spreadsheet is now up and.

01:04.15
Adz
Playback.

01:16.61
Adz
With more goodies.

01:20.34
youcantcompthis
I filled it out from I think about 20 to 33 and I predominantly did west conference guards. So Russell Westbrook has been added in Clay Thompson has been added in so why don't we start with Clay Thompson and then at the very very tippity top.

01:34.64
Adz
Oh.

01:39.57
youcantcompthis
This is something new for us to start looking at is doing some of the old school plays. So I thought the easiest one to go with is the goat. So Michael Jordan so we were discussing Clay Thompson earlier in the piece. He's last sold for three thousand usd

01:55.30
Adz
Oh.

01:58.22
youcantcompthis
Population on that is 96 and when I say population I think moving forward. We can just flatten this out and just say it once this is the total population. Not just the psa or bs it's the combined ge right? yeah.

02:12.55
Adz
That's the combined gem rate gem number of gems. So bgs nine point five S and Tens psa the gem rate gems. It's the gems pop. Yeah yeah, the gem the gem pop.

02:16.94
youcantcompthis
Why don't we just call it gem rate or is that not really the right total gems of do you know who he needs to we need to consult Ryan on this because I feel like if we're using his proprietary brand this also might cause some copyrights I don't want to.

02:31.20
Adz
We call we call we call it the gem pop it sounds like we're in prison.

02:35.19
youcantcompthis
End up in court with Ryan.

02:40.92
youcantcompthis
I don't want to be in some legal courtroom with judge Judy and and Ryan that would just be my fantasies coming true but that will be terrible. Yeah ah poor jerry rest in peace anyway, market cap 288000 on that so look.

02:46.11
Adz
The episode of Jerry Springer yep

02:58.90
Adz
M.

02:58.68
youcantcompthis
I was actually saying without looking at his numbers. Maybe this guy's got a bit more room to grow. Actually that's way higher than what I was thinking so any of the new ones that I've added in court your eye.

03:05.81
Adz
Um, yeah.

03:19.50
Adz
Just having a ah quick squeze.

03:29.90
Adz
Um, not room. Let's have a Jama ants expected. Um.

03:38.92
youcantcompthis
So when you say expected total gems is 2825 so we're getting into quite high territory. Yeah.

03:47.50
Adz
Yeah, jar jars the zion um class right? So the there were so many cards graded.

03:54.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and his market cap is one point one million so I think where I find this more interesting is maybe the sub $200 value on the card. So if we yeah, that's right.

03:58.10
Adz
Yeah.

04:08.30
Adz
Well I was looking I was looking at Austin Reeves and Paulo banchero. Yeah.

04:13.83
youcantcompthis
So if you take take a quick sort of scan through that you got Donovan Mitchell in there. You've got Jaylen Brown and you got Paul George they're kind of technicalities. They both sitting at hundred and ninety so there's always going to be some fluctuation there. Yep Paulo you can put into that Darren Fox is now in that sub $200 range

04:16.10
Adz
Yeah, oh.

04:25.96
Adz
Um, yep, yeah.

04:32.94
youcantcompthis
And his population is much higher than what I was expecting so his total gems is nine eighty five but yeah I think Austin Reeves is one to sort of take a look at because yeah, sitting at one hundred and eight dollars in terms of his popularity 468000 votes and then just 65

04:49.74
Adz
Ah, yeah.

04:51.17
youcantcompthis
Total population on that. So the market cap for Austin Reeves is 6000 it's less than $7000 I I like that one actually I think that's ah, maybe a bit of a nugget just sort of sitting there I think the question around Austin Reeves is is actually his highest price going to be $100 because

05:07.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah, like the the kids got skills and he played for team Usa but he hasn't got the call up for team usa if that makes is that does that being a bit rough. Yeah.

05:10.90
youcantcompthis
Is he going to be an old star. Yeah, but.

05:16.83
youcantcompthis
No I think team usa team b I'm I'm totally down with Austin Reeves but let's be honest, if they sent their full team. Maybe he could carry the drinks or yeah, right people? Yeah yeah.

05:24.30
Adz
This isn't this isn't the team that yeah this isn't the team that's going to try and win the fble world cup. This is this is the olympics. So we're sending. Yeah I mean we can go we can deep dive the Usa team a bit later. But yeah, maybe maybe next week or as we get when we when we get low on content. But but yeah I just thought I think Austin Reeves is a good a good player but currently, he's number 3 maybe even 4 on a roster right? So you got Lebron a d is he number 3.

05:41.47
youcantcompthis
Mean we all the great.

05:51.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah, rising on the.

05:58.68
Adz
Is is he the number 3 guy or is the Angelo number 3 guy kind of do you know like Delos number 3 at the moment. Yeah, yeah, so I don't I like that that's like maybe that 10008 is the right thing but the pop count on it says maybe maybe.

06:00.85
youcantcompthis
Way Angelo Russell's playing at the moment. Pretty yeah.

06:17.74
youcantcompthis
All right? Let's go right to the top. So Michael Jordan obviously is not gonna have any all star votes for this year although I'm actually surprised there isn't a vote for him so he's obviously it's not a silver.

06:18.23
Adz
It's one to watch.

06:26.27
Adz
Bit of a bit of a market cap there. Yeah.

06:34.99
youcantcompthis
But it's his rookie card. So we're talking about the flee rookie card last sold for 210000 us total gem population 906 market cap of 190000000 so you know some days I think you know why are we doing this. You know why are we speculating? Why are we buying all these cards and I think this is the.

06:40.70
Adz
Yep.

06:53.68
youcantcompthis
The end game isn't it is that maybe that you buy something will end up and will be.

06:56.16
Adz
Is that there is that is that what we're hoping to get from the there's the the wembys.

07:03.97
youcantcompthis
You know I I think this is the the dirty secret or the thing that people don't like to talk about or admit you know at the back of your mind is there always that thought process in your head that you are buying somebody that's under undervalued and will go up.

07:19.37
Adz
I Think there's always ah a yeah, an expectation that you're investing in something. There's going to appreciate in value. Yeah yeah.

07:23.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, and even if you don't want to admit it and you don't want to talk about it I think that is a very visually imposing number when it's $190000000 on a single card in terms of its you know market cap. So yeah, all right? look? yeah.

07:36.51
Adz
Yeah, that's a lot of money in 1 card.

07:42.32
youcantcompthis
I Don't think we go on too much about this this week I think we just keep it nice and short and sweet any final thoughts on version. Two point one.

07:44.30
Adz
Yeah, ah I'm I'm liking the the evolution I'm I'm liking the evolution of the of the of the sheet. Maybe maybe the D'angelo Russell that'll be an interesting one to fill out as well.

07:55.57
youcantcompthis
I'm looking the annual rus that.

08:00.79
youcantcompthis
I think some of these will be more interesting when it's topical so Josh giddy would have been good last week yeah ah yeah, yeah, well.

08:03.78
Adz
Yeah, well, that's why I'm looking at it like Jamal Murray Jamal Murray is gonna be relevant soon because it's the playoffs D'angelo playoffs as well giddy same same deal I mean Fred Van vleet might be in a couple of years might be interesting. Um.

08:19.21
Adz
Ah, yeah, some of them aren't aren't relevant at the moment but we'll see yeah.

08:20.93
youcantcompthis
And van vid's going to be a bit of a tricky one similar to say Paul George where he doesn't actually even more difficult than Paul George because he doesn't have a rookie card at all. Yeah, all righty next in the run sheet is Wba so look we have to talk about this. Maybe if.

08:24.41
Adz
Ah.

08:28.92
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah.

08:40.69
youcantcompthis
The playoffs didn't happen and johnte porter didn't happen this week. We would have led with this like this is in my mind. It's a big story. Yeah, because and I think actually I'll I'll lead with this has your social media had more Wnba on it the last.

08:47.66
Adz
It's pretty big news.

08:56.76
Adz
Two days three days three days yeah

08:59.79
youcantcompthis
In the last two days okay you've seen more okay, great. So it's not just how well for me I've been getting more I'll say the last couple of months but yeah is.

09:07.96
Adz
Ah, this has been a little bit of stuff for caitly Clark but there's stuff outside of there was the whole draft. So I always get a bit give updates I was a different videos. My reels were getting filled with other other news I mean the the la sparks got.

09:21.83
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

09:25.40
Adz
2 of the top 4 picks so that was lovely. None of them were Caitlyn Clark of course but correct. Yeah yeah, not 2 and 4 that doesn't seem good. But yeah, like she she also what did you see the the well the first reel that showed up in my newsfeed was.

09:30.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's really the the year you want isn't it to get number one? Yeah yeah, so.

09:45.33
Adz
Look at the comparison between Caitlin Clark's outfit and Lebron Jay why that's a stretch. Yeah they what they both wore cream or white like wow of all the colors. What a coincidence like what.

09:50.86
youcantcompthis
Do you think she was trying to impersonate him one like.

10:01.60
youcantcompthis
You don't think okay.

10:04.60
Adz
No Lebron didn't wear a skirt. She didn't wear trousers. It's not the same outfit I don't know it was such a stretch. It was such a stretch I kind of had a chuckle but I think that I think she deserves the spotlight. It shouldn't be a comparison with anybody.

10:08.62
youcantcompthis
Maybe it's like the the female version of I don't know look I'm I'm stretching you? yeah.

10:22.43
Adz
Is is my my thought about it.

10:23.96
youcantcompthis
So yeah, Caitlyn Clark went went number 1 cameron brink quit number 2 the ° of Kevin Bacon on cameron brink is that she's a.

10:38.50
youcantcompthis
Godson or god cousin of Steph Curry there's some relation between those two like.

10:43.14
Adz
There's a relationship but with the curry family cool.

10:44.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah anyway I could have done that segment a lot better look I think and then after that I need to read up more about this but Angel Reese at 7 I think that was the other surprise that was there. There was some expectation she might have gone a little bit higher but she dropped down to 7 So.

10:55.99
Adz
Now.

11:02.69
youcantcompthis
The Chicago sky that's a massive pickup because they also had number 3 in the draft 2 So great little draft day for them then I think let's just start talking about Caitlyn Clark so this is from our friend at Darren Rovell just in 2 hours after being picked Caitlyn Clark's

11:05.52
Adz
M.

11:15.66
Adz
Yep.

11:20.55
youcantcompthis
Became fanatics topselling draft pick in any draft night history. She surpassed Trevor Lawrence in 2021 so basically they had preprinted her Indiana Jersey like her like her pro jersey with anticipation and then every.

11:30.55
Adz
Wow! yeah.

11:37.59
youcantcompthis
Unit in every size had sold out So then after the lot had been exhausted. They were just selling like basically prefields and pre-orders so you know I think I think there are some people. Yeah, there's some people that are just important culturally and you know whether you can.

11:48.32
Adz
Wow, That's a big deal. It's very it's It's very yeah.

11:56.99
youcantcompthis
Explain it or not and I'm probably in in the part of you know, not being able to explain it but the part that I now that I have a daughter that I understand very clearly is that boys can relate to girls and girls can relate to boys but there is something special about a female athlete in the. In the eyes of ah of a young lady. So I think there's that part of it which I think is going to be. You know you're going to see as you see young boys walking around with Steph Curry's I think that's what the next evolution is going to be you to see Caitlyn clark jose's being walking around by you know, kids in the street which I think is kind of really exciting.

12:26.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:33.67
youcantcompthis
So I think the next one you know really I want to talk about too is the shoe deal that she got and this is the one that because look I do wear Jerseys but I'm not I don't have a big jersey collection. That's not really my thing but so she signed on with Nia she signed an 8 figure shoe deal with the actual number hasn't revealed but 8 figures is still 8 figures. So we're talking some.

12:42.88
Adz
Yeah.

12:53.80
youcantcompthis
Congratulations money on that caitly and that's this is the thing that I'm starting to fro forever I could see myself in a nice pair of Caitlyn Clark's shoes and and the same thing for young girls. You know I think they're going to go out and want these shoes. They're goingnna be asking their parents I want a pair of Caitlyn Clark's yeah.

13:02.41
Adz
It's pretty it. It's I I Yeah yeah I Um I've got friends that there like a lot of a lot of friends who whose daughters play Junior basketball and this is.

13:17.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

13:18.52
Adz
You know what? I mean like they yeah sure they they're gonna be they'd all love a pair of Kobe's or lebrons or Kd's or whatever they're getting but I reckon the fact that someone like Caitlyn Clark is now going to have a shoe range those young aspiring female basketball is are gonna be like you know what I want a pair of those I want.

13:30.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? yeah.

13:36.68
youcantcompthis
And and hear me at for a second instead of putting that money in terms of placement of product into stock shops for jama an replace that with Caitlyn Clark and I think in terms of image in terms of role modeling all that type of stuff and look I'm not.

13:38.38
Adz
Oh no, we have what cheese wearing.

13:46.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

13:54.00
youcantcompthis
Piling on jar here. But you know fax is facts. He hasn't been exactly you know a shining star here whereas Caitlyn Clark on the other hand is barely put a foot wrong? Yeah so I can actually see myself walking into the night store in Melbourne and seeing a picture of Kaitlyn Clark in the future. That's where I'm at with this. So.

14:02.30
Adz
You've got a point you've you've got a point. Yeah.

14:10.25
Adz
Yeah.

14:12.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah, ah this next beat is also from Darren Rivervell so Darren is ah contributed significantly to this this caitly Clarke Card sold for 23600 today. It is the Bowman University constellations of great greatness card. Ps a 10 now the comments on this card is actually a little bit. You could argue unkind but some of the narrative that's being pointed out here is that it's the timing of the sale so perfectly timed with the Wnba draft and people some people saying that this is going to go down to like a five k card I got to tell you i.

14:43.62
Adz
Oh.

14:52.37
youcantcompthis
Probably lean towards the conservative side when it comes to stuff like this like if I'm dropping 23 K O want to make sure it's you know 100% the right thing so I'm probably leaning towards this card will depreciate in value but in saying that the buzz around wnba is absolutely growing and I think.

15:05.10
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah.

15:12.50
youcantcompthis
It's going to be I'm trying not to use the word interesting to me. It's going to be very fascinating to see how the next two years plays out with wmba because the last two years right like if we're being honest here you can go out to any card retailer.

15:18.26
Adz
I Think there's growth. There's a lot of growth.

15:28.81
youcantcompthis
And they will probably have most products of Wnba on special and you'll be able to get a really good deal like a few weeks ago. We spoke about the $5 blasters this is not even a hot take I'm just going to go on the record and say there's going to be no discounting Kaitlyn Clark product that she's in and particularly there's going to be no discount on anything that's.

15:35.42
Adz
M.

15:43.57
Adz
Yeah.

15:48.21
youcantcompthis
Rookie product of her so they're talking about making prism rivo they're talking about making ah origins again with her in it. None of that stuff is going to be on Discount you know I think that's going to be Frank frankly I think they're going to jack it up just to you know gouge people. Yeah when they can. Yeah.

15:57.72
Adz
No make their money back. Sure.

16:06.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah, another notable sale for wba this is the last w andba thing and I'll let you guys off the hook for this. But again I think this is relevant so this is maybe what you consider 1 of the more ogs of the wnba so this is Sue Bird A 2002 Authentics recently sold. That sold for $7000 population of this is 2 the card is number to 100 this is called the front row card so we were talking about the front row cards and the court side cards with you remember that kobe card. We're talking about a while back. It's exactly the same thing with that. So yeah, look.

16:34.65
Adz
Um, yeah, yep, that's pretty cool.

16:42.72
youcantcompthis
I'm surprised about this to be honest with you in my head I don't really see this much money when it comes to w Andba cards. But maybe the tides are turning a little bit here and and people are actually starting to catch on and say you know there is some collectibility here. So.

16:44.93
Adz
M.

16:57.45
youcantcompthis
If you're an Og Nba Wnba fan you know I think this is really really great news for you and there's definitely going to be trickle down with this. So yeah.

17:03.13
Adz
Um, yeah I completely agree I think there we are in a supply and Demand Market and we might just be witnessing a shift in demand.

17:09.58
youcantcompthis
What absolutely.

17:15.34
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah, would you like to add anything else to dubbing and be before we move on.

17:17.80
Adz
Which is great.

17:22.28
Adz
No I think I think oh actually there was a real somebody went up to interview Caitlin Clark and asked if they knew if she was aware that there was a trading card out there that was worth $78000 with like that 1 of her cards sold for that much money.

17:27.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like.

17:38.66
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, so the do you know the backstory to that. So it's a little bit of a dig because that's her salary Basically her salary for the first year. Yeah, so yes, they are pointing out.

17:42.76
Adz
No.

17:50.10
Adz
Ah, that's rough.

17:55.63
youcantcompthis
About her card but the commentary behind that card is that? yeah.

17:57.38
Adz
We can. We can spin the narrative the other way and I think she was she was she was caught off guard because they were asking if she collected cards and she was like no I just collected whatever my brothers collected and it's and it's literally like it's the funniest story though when you hear about she like artist.

18:09.75
youcantcompthis
Stole out of her collections. Yeah like the money.

18:17.19
Adz
Like what's your fate who did you collect and she's like whoever my brothers collected if they got a good card I wanted it and I told and I'd complained to mum until I got it ah sounds like sibling rivalries a a real thing hey no.

18:31.92
youcantcompthis
So maybe 20 episodes back or so I was tossing up the idea about prospecting through the g league and I think really the best way to summarize that was is a complete failure I think there's enough. Well there's enough plays in the Nba to. Low end prospect on like so in the last couple of weeks. We've been talking about Herb Jones for a couple of dollars we spoke about Malachi Flynn that just got a 50 ball for a couple of dollars like why do you need to you know, prospect out of the big leagues when you've got stuff like that happening look I'm not going to give up on this because I think this next one is probably still.

18:49.89
Adz
Ah.

18:57.45
Adz
Oh.

19:07.54
Adz
So.

19:08.20
youcantcompthis
You you know worth talking about so oozman dang who is I mean look really if you think about it this makes a whole lot of sense. He's an o Okc player who's on a 2 wo-way contract like that Okayc team is absolutely loaded. He is also now the G G League Mvp yeah

19:18.50
Adz
Yeah.

19:26.60
Adz
Yep.

19:26.89
youcantcompthis
So look. There's only so long you're you're going to be able to keep this kid down where I think his agent will force a trade in the offsea now like he has to be in the Mba fulltime next year I think if you're that young and the Mvp of a very very competitive. Men's pro league you know you deserve.

19:43.26
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yep.

19:45.63
youcantcompthis
Ah, spot in there. So I thought it'd be good to talk about him in terms of prospecting I look He's not on card letter. It's quite difficult to find you know specific comps on this guy but I did find a nice little range there. So if you click that next link down at it should take you to a picture.

20:04.17
Adz
The second. Ah ah the sales there. We go? yep.

20:05.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so a Don Russ autographed card that sold for sixty usd his prism rookie card number to 49 for one hundred and fourteen so we're not talking pocket gene to you. There is some definitely some interest in this guy immaculate.

20:16.23
Adz
Yeah.

20:19.89
youcantcompthis
Jersey numbered 5 of 16 It's a jumbo patch. That's the best way to describe that one thirty four dollars vertical flawless rpa number to fifteen one hundred and eleven dollars and this is probably where I'm going to stop because this is the one where I think this is where you take a risk on someone like this when you can get.

20:23.52
Adz
Okay. And.

20:37.33
youcantcompthis
A vertical flawless rpa for one hundred us dollars you know I think that's a really really fantastic purchase and I think particularly true if you're talking about someone that you know you want to take a risk on here like this is still a very high risk purchase. But I think. You know what's the point of buying a prism card when you can get a flawless card actually for $3 cheaper. You know, frankly, so I think you know we talk about making shrewd purchases I've actually got real no problem with someone who bought that prism card that's Psa10 number to 49. That's not what I'm saying. But if I had the choice between those 2 and you know clearly.

21:08.42
Adz
Yeah.

21:14.33
youcantcompthis
Those those cards sold on the same day. You know you do you do have a choice so that's where I'm going with that. Are you buying Oozeman dink and.

21:16.50
Adz
Yeah, yeah, ah I'm probably not not spending a hundred us on him but I'd have a dabble do not I mean like a like ah what is it the? um.

21:24.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah I mean.

21:35.14
Adz
Ah, no, maybe maybe I would spend a couple of bucks yeah you're right for for a hundred usd if you can get an rpa of someone that's proven to be good at 1 level which and and young, why not.

21:48.40
youcantcompthis
So I feel like I've done really well on ebay in the last say twelve months on case hits like cheap cases. So for example, Don Russ next day autographs vertical rpa's out of nt I got a dale and Terry for I think it was about $25 delivered like it was.

21:57.28
Adz
Yeah.

22:06.84
youcantcompthis
You know, really not much. Ah, do I think that these cards are going to be part of my retirement retirement fund. Absolutely not do I think these cards are really good to look at and have sort of in your background to sort of low key prospect on fantastic. Do I think they make amazing traders. They make amazing trading cards because.

22:11.48
Adz
Of course, not.

22:21.91
Adz
Ah.

22:26.28
youcantcompthis
You might find someone who pcs that person and they're willing to give up overs on it. You know if you to so you know those people that are doing that thing I'm trading up from a card to you know $1 to $300 like I'm not doing that project. But it's nice to trade up. You know when I can so you know I like it for that type of stuff I mean.

22:29.90
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure.

22:41.57
Adz
Yeah, fisher.

22:44.68
youcantcompthis
Oozman Deng and this very specific example that I'm asking you do I like this as a prospect I don't mind that at all for hundred and eleven dollars whoever bought that a plus plus plus potential is oozing out of this kid and I think like let's be honest here too I think.

22:51.68
Adz
And and well there's an accolade. There's an accolade to go with it. There's shown this. There's demonstrated potential to to work for yeah to work from. Yeah.

23:04.34
youcantcompthis
If he wasn't on the o okayc thunder he would be in the Nba playing. It's the fact is that team is so loaded they released pokaefsky for nothing after spending a first round pick on him and they've still got what another twenty five first round pigs coming in like it's ridiculous. Yeah yeah.

23:10.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah, they've got so many picks coming out of carrying out of places that they shouldn't have picks coming out of yeah.

23:23.99
youcantcompthis
Next topic is about a new release which is origins and have you seen much of it I've watched a couple of breaks on it and I think Origins is really good for what it is at the price point and I think that's the best way to say it. So.

23:28.18
Adz
No, let's have a look.

23:40.68
Adz
Oh.

23:43.52
youcantcompthis
Origins is. It's not super basic like what prism is there's only 10 or so cards in a box and really what you're hunting for out of this is the on card autographs and then the rpas I think if you're trying to pick faults in a product will.

23:50.21
Adz
Nope.

24:00.79
youcantcompthis
It's not game worn so that can be problematic in some people's eyes but in terms of the aesthetics of it. It's mostly sort of dark designs and on card. Autograph yes, but not player worn.

24:09.00
Adz
There are There are some on card Autos arent there. Yeah, okay yeah.

24:18.18
youcantcompthis
Memorabilia in the patches. So you know where I'm going with this? Yeah, the on-cart autographs are definitely part of the chase. But at the same time I think it sort of puts some people off. But I think where origins has really stamped itself in terms of Collectibility and and in particular breaks is.

24:25.52
Adz
Yeah.

24:32.20
Adz
And.

24:36.43
youcantcompthis
The price point. So basically you're looking at around say 6 or $700 aud for a box and you know breaking that out. You can buy into it for sub a thousand dollars whereas when you're looking at imac you're looking at nt even noir for example.

24:43.90
Adz
Yep.

24:51.84
Adz
Ah.

24:55.91
youcantcompthis
It's not that much more expensive than court king. So maybe that's actually a better conversation piece for us to have is would you rather buy into a court King's break or would you rather buy into an origins break because you know in terms of yeah.

25:07.23
Adz
Yeah, the chase and and I guess it it comes down to the chase as well. It's what you're actually looking for.

25:13.62
youcantcompthis
I Think yeah, that's right and car design too I think you really need to take that into account when you know you're going into it look I Got to be honest with you I Think for the price point it's it's fantastic. You know I think the issue is if the price goes too much higher then I think all of the.

25:24.58
Adz
Yeah.

25:32.53
youcantcompthis
The value this there actually does you know, sort of go away so that's where I feel like I'm repeating myself 10 times here. So I'm not going to say it again. But that's where I really like this product. Yeah, like outside. Yeah, definitely.

25:39.54
Adz
There either pro and that's a thing like if it goes outside of its price point then it's a problem right? Then it's no longer it it no longer has the the draw that it used to.

25:51.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah I like it for the on-car autographs I think those are actually you know quite for lack of a better word special. But in terms if if I was picking between 2 products I hate to say it I think I'd probably go for core kinks because the memorabilia stuff is aesthetically pleasing and and it looks good.

26:06.93
Adz
Um, yeah.

26:10.77
youcantcompthis
But in terms of the collectibility I I do have a nagging thought in the back of my head. What where is all this memorabilia stuff going to be in 10 years when it's not game warn. It's not player associated. How are people going to look back on this on 10 years I don't I don't know the answer to it.

26:25.88
Adz
It'll be interest. Ah I Ah what? what? I'm curious about is how this looks in the market if there's a decline. So Do they start going back to to fanatics start buying game Worn jerseys. To try and manufacture game warn product again.

26:48.55
youcantcompthis
So I don't want to be a pessimist here. But if we're using Toppps as a current measuring stick I Think the answer is no because fanatics are.

26:55.31
Adz
Yeah, the only way that changes is the market. Turns if the if the if the buyers start stop buying the product and that doesn't I don't think that's gonna happen to be honest, but.

27:01.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, why is that.

27:09.60
youcantcompthis
Can I be honest with you I Actually wonder if there's more to this memorabilia story than what the average collector knows and I'm including myself in that average collector statement too because.

27:21.14
Adz
We're gonna full have a conspiracy episode I'll tell you what? no.

27:23.11
youcantcompthis
No, that's fine. No I know I don't actually don't think this is a conspiracy like I think so during Covid obviously things change I don't think that's controversial to say but that to me was really the tipping point between game one memorabilia being more common in products.

27:31.79
Adz
A lot. So.

27:42.86
youcantcompthis
Not and so you know there has to be an explanation for that 1 explanation is that the demand for cards went up a lot. Okay, that's fine I I acknowledge that the other explanation could be they say well actually the risk profile is too high for us to be getting Jerseys off the athletes and to handle them in a safe and clean way. I'm fine with that too. But all of that has now changed and has something else changed in this equation that we just don't see so whether the price of Jerseys is too high. They can't justify putting it in is that the the players don't want to do it anymore. They don't want to stand there and.

28:02.32
Adz
Um, yeah.

28:11.96
Adz
Yeah.

28:18.39
youcantcompthis
Put on a Jersey and take it off and put it up and allegedly, that's what people used to do at events they would stand there and put on 200 different pieces of clothing and then now this thing is now event worn or game worn. That's right? Yeah, so maybe they can't convince players to do that stuff anymore. Maybe that's also you know part of this i.

28:26.28
Adz
Game 1 event one? Yeah yeah, yeah.

28:38.36
youcantcompthis
But I I think we're using the early measuring stick of fanatics and tops. No I don't think we it's going to be a home run that and Nba is going to have gain more material as soon as fanatics takes over no I don't think that's the case.

28:47.53
Adz
Um, does that increase the older stuff does that make the older stuff that was actually play it like.

28:55.74
youcantcompthis
So some some stuff that is in now. So veteran I saw a really nice origins patch come out from the lakers that was number to 25 it had a 3 color it was Aron James Lakers patch like that that is game worn so the veteran stuff is. It's just the rookie stuff they still haven't.

29:02.23
Adz
Um, ah.

29:04.50
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

29:14.43
Adz
Okay, nice.

29:15.23
youcantcompthis
Paid that out yet. That's all yeah, should we do our last ad break. Yeah.

29:22.93
Adz
Let's do it.

30:25.13
youcantcompthis
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30:50.73
Adz
Oh nice.

31:01.70
youcantcompthis
Definitely check out Ej Cards they've been supporting us. Yeah for absolutely well for years now. Adam that's yeah, that's the the right word. Yeah so why don't we just quick hit these last few things here we don't need to go on forever about them. Let's just talk about some cards. Basically.

31:02.36
Adz
Value that that for years literally literally they've been been on foot for ages.

31:18.19
Adz
Cool.

31:21.80
youcantcompthis
La Mal lamelow carmmalo Anthony exquisite rookie Patch B Gs 9.5 versus a dwayne wade b g seven what would you take.

31:28.48
Adz
Oh go to Verses. We've got a verses. Oh I like it hang On. Let's for the for those playing at home on the video all right? Well, that's it's. So. It's a a B G a seven of the wade versus a bgs nine point five on the mellow who um I take the mellow the grade the higher grade.

31:59.80
youcantcompthis
So this is so easy for me. It's not funny I'm going the wade all day 10 ways till Sunday I understand I just think his his career was so dynamic and he played so well in that finals when it was.

32:04.33
Adz
Really.

32:16.78
Adz
Yeah.

32:17.62
youcantcompthis
He and shac. Yeah, it almost a bit like zion today. It just felt like he was just walking to the room and no one can get in front of him. So the other thing for me too is I think Camelo is an amazing score but he was also really the epitome of. Scored and then the rest of the basketball game. You know just wasn't really there and I think my sort of recollection of his career was for me how you summarize it in 1 line was that relationship he had with George Carle George Carle was always saying this guy is like the best guy in basketball but he just needs to do this this and this and he could never you know unpack that you know part. So.

32:50.80
Adz
You can never do this this and this yeah yeah for sure for sure.

32:55.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah, these next two are frankly for you add. So I hope you like these next couple one. So this is a noir kobe signature sorry Kobe spotlight signatures hundred and 17 of one hundred and twenty five look there are some clouds in noir that just.

33:04.86
Adz
Yes.

33:13.40
youcantcompthis
Hit right? and I'm going to put that front and center into that hitting right part that is spectacular.

33:18.60
Adz
Yeah, that signature. Yeah, the spotlight signatures. That's some yeah, that's a beautiful card. It's one that I've wanted over the years yeah yeah yeah I remember I remember I was it I was collecting the ah the year that one came out I'm pretty sure.

33:27.22
youcantcompthis
Ah, really so you've seen that before. Yeah.

33:35.70
Adz
Sixteen Seventeen yep I was in a few of those breaks didn't get 1 bit sad.

33:40.87
youcantcompthis
This next is from card ladder again. So sold on golden's for 54931 numbered to just two national treasures logoman the colossal logo and in fact.

33:50.89
Adz
Get.

34:00.49
youcantcompthis
So why? do you think this card sold for 54 k because I think it's a beautiful card. You know's obviously standing there obviously low numbered. It's got that nice logo in there. Obviously it's Kobe Bryant but maybe in my head this is a twenty Twenty five Thousand dollars card what am I missing.

34:13.31
Adz
Ah.

34:28.41
Adz
It's not even the fact that it's not even a 1 of 1 Do you know I mean like no autograph maybe it's just because it was sold on ah on golden.

34:35.30
youcantcompthis
Um, no, autograph no.

34:44.98
Adz
Maybe maybe there was somebody do you know what? I mean maybe there are 3 people that want this card that's literally as like the other one is unattainable I need this one and and I'm sure there are a few very passionate.

34:46.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, right? That's you're right? Maybe there's 2 people out there that were beating each other up. Yeah, like yeah.

35:03.82
Adz
Ah, Kobe collectors out there. Oh we we missed we missed out one of our our did we did we do butler verses em beed I don't think we did when we were talking about Miami in Philly I like this I like this one because it's.

35:07.96
youcantcompthis
Alrighty I know.

35:16.29
youcantcompthis
Okay, yeah, 1 like okay showed why don't we finish the show off with this one then that's more interesting than the Duncan insert anyway, to be honest, yep.

35:22.98
Adz
Based in the playoffs. Um.

35:29.83
Adz
Okay, um, so both peer say ten gem mints both rookie cards one does have the shield one doesn't we're looking at a twenty twelve panini prism Jimmy Butler silver last sold. Ah, for 1400 in November and a twenty fourteen prism joel m bede last sold April fifth for 1250 us I know what I'm taking.

36:00.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so so this is very interesting that word that interesting word keeps coming back in. Um, so for me this is a good one to talk about for a number of reasons. Okay, so the first thing I want to start with just look at the sold date.

36:05.30
Adz
I know.

36:14.36
youcantcompthis
For the Jimmy Butler so that is November the Twelfth Twenty three as opposed to the mb which sold on April the fifth so we talk about liquidity in the in the hobby and both of these guys frankly aren't that liquid so you you don't see a lot of mb sales. It's not like.

36:15.73
Adz
Yes, that's the last old. Yep correct.

36:33.36
youcantcompthis
Zion or jar or Luca for that matter that this there's one every day. It's not like that. But you want to talk about someone who doesn't have liquidity. It is Jimmy Butler because I would guess that in the last twelve months there's maybe 6 sales of this card and I would also say that would be a high guess.

36:33.52
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

36:51.27
Adz
I'm actually going into your um, all star spreadsheet because these sales these sales are both in there as in the last sold price for that.

36:55.90
youcantcompthis
You probably you probably could click off that. So yeah, and so so for me, the pricing is also worth discussing because actually the jimmy buckets is higher than the MB. and if you look at someone in terms of resume like to me this is no argument look Jimmy Butler is a great story and I think what he's done is fantastic and I love success stories like what Jimmy Butler does and you know you have to tip your head to this kid but at the same time he doesn't hold a bucket for jo m and be when it comes to.

37:13.82
Adz
Ah.

37:20.10
Adz
Um.

37:31.29
Adz
A grade. Yeah yeah.

37:33.34
youcantcompthis
Basketballt achievement and also talent which is on the floor so you know I find this card a little bit challenging to be honest and maybe what for me the real story out of this is that like frankly, there must be like a group of fanatic collectors out there who are just bidding this up and dare I say it shilling this stuff up because. I don't think that is a good long term purchase. That's just my two cents yeah sure sure I I don't disagree with that. But it also to you know the pop on MBeats eighty yeah okay sure are you looking at the.

37:55.13
Adz
Yeah, no I tend attend I tend to agree. Um the pop count and the Jimmy is is smaller but that's because it's 2012 probably

38:08.13
Adz
Hundred and seventy yeah yeah Yeah, sorry I'm looking at your um ah I'm at the allstar I'm on your spreadsheet and we've got the total pop count of the Jimmy Butler is 61 total pop count of the joel m b gems so the gem gem pop.

38:11.34
youcantcompthis
You look at the total. Yeah, Okay, yeah, sure yeah sure yeah know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? So you're you've said the right thing there by the way that's you're right I'm wrong.

38:23.15
Adz
Is 1 74 for Joel.

38:29.21
youcantcompthis
But I will say I think this speaks more to me about the uncollectibility of mb and how people just aren't on board with this class. So absolutely particularly if you're paying more for Jimmy Butler than mbied I think that is absolute frankly nonsense.

38:35.27
Adz
Is he undervalued at that because I'm taking the in beat every day of the week on that.

38:45.44
Adz
Yeah, someone was desperate to get it for a Christmas present clearly it sold in november.

38:47.67
youcantcompthis
So. Um, it actually compels me to go and look at Embade cards.

38:54.29
Adz
Yeah, yeah, especially now that he's back and healthy hopefully healthy. There was a good a fitting finale.

39:08.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah, well thank you everyone for listening. Thank you to our friends at central cross radio for tuning in. We really appreciate your support. Thank you for all of our podcast listeners to every single click that you guys give us just makes. Such a difference to us and our and our experience here. So thank you so much. Thank you, everyone in the live chat we are so so grateful for everything that you do for us and Adam thank you again for a fantastic show. We had a great time.

39:36.56
Adz
Pleasure pleasure as always I mean without without the listeners. It just be us just waffling on about cards. So it's nice to to have the experience sort of be shared with everybody until next week thanks