Episode 141: Playoffs, Naz Reid, Steph Curry, Crown Royale, Kabooms, Tim Duncan, Tyrese Maxey,

Adam and Russell have more content story lines than they can handle this week; but we discuss the NBA playoffs:
- Regular season awards,
- Crown Royale Preview
- Anthony Edwards vs KD
- Fake Wembys: how to tell the difference
- Jaime Jaquez vs Anfernee Simons:
- Tom Brady meet and greet sheet
- Prizm Fastbreak
- Part 2 of a Flawless discussion.
- Flawless cards discussed

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00:07.29
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 141 of the you can't comp this and Nba trading card podcast where your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson Russell how you doing this this afternoon.

00:25.70
youcantcompthis
Ah, bad to say good morning but it is afternoon isn't it although depends on where in the world and what time you're listening to us Really so good morning Good afternoon to everyone.

00:26.85
Adz
That is.

00:31.97
Adz
Yes, yes, welcome everybody on on Central Coast radio and to our our longtime podcast listeners. The cold weather's kicked in here. It sounds like you're a bit you're you're a bit coldy or fluy.

00:37.96
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:46.98
youcantcompthis
A bit husky here I had ditto with some friends last night. So it's definitely not the cold or a flu. So.

00:49.91
Adz
Is the Jordan Flu game for Russell Husky there's a word. It wasn't you weren't weren't binge watching Mba and celebrating wins and and things.

01:03.91
youcantcompthis
So we probably should quickly touch on central coast radio 10 am m to noon on Thursdays and then we do have 2 replace slots slots which are currently rotating around. So if you're working night Judy if you're working.

01:09.40
Adz
Yes.

01:22.53
youcantcompthis
You know a late shift something like that. Yeah, check out central coast radio. They definitely have some good content on there and we're on actually three days a week at the moment. So yeah, all right? Let's jump straight into it ad playoffs. Ah here.

01:30.28
Adz
Yeah, yeah, definitely worth a listen.

01:37.90
Adz
They are and and there's not many surprises I'll tell you that.

01:40.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah, well, what about? Okay, if you say not many surprises. Let's talk about the bucks paces series because Indiana is up 2 games to 1 at the moment. Are you not surprised by that.

01:48.55
Adz
Ah, yeah, I'm not no I I thought the bucks were lucky to land the third seed I think they sort of limped in I don't think they're well constructed I don't think um.

02:03.60
youcantcompthis
They definitely limped in. Yeah.

02:06.51
Adz
Yeah, and and and yarnis is I mean yarnis isn't yarnis at the moment and lilis. Ah like I just don't think a lot of thought gone into the retooling this year the bucks aren't the same as what they were last year and

02:18.66
youcantcompthis
Yes.

02:22.21
Adz
And I think this is a real opportunity for the paces I don't yeah I also don't think Doc Rivers was the the greatest coaching hire. But I mean they're they're trying to appease Yana I guess that's why they went for lillardd they lost a lot of defense and and I think it's sort of I don't know the paces. Paces stealing a game ah on the buck's home floor doesn't surprise me and the most recent because we're this is Midday saturday I suppose for those that are unsure about what results we do and don't know are the pace. The paces of just 1 game 3 in overtime on their home floor.

02:52.84
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yep, yeah.

02:58.95
Adz
So they're up to one and and I don't know I think they're up and about they're a young team. They've got Halliburton who's who's sort of steering the ship so to speak. But I don't know there's a lot of exciting talent in Indiana.

03:13.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah, they've definitely got a young exciting team just to recap some of the stuff you said about the buck. So I think Janis definitely put that team on the clock in terms of give me more talent or I'm leaving I think that's essentially how the conversation went. So.

03:16.76
Adz
Yeah.

03:23.10
Adz
Yeah, or equal.

03:30.30
youcantcompthis
I think for the bucks front office to take a swing on Drew holiday essentially drew holiday for lilid I don't have a massive problem with that to be perfectly honest with you I think particularly as teams get older I think you know you do need to do something. It's like the golden state warriors scenario isnt it. You know you have to do something whether it's Chris Paul whether it's

03:44.30
Adz
Sure yep.

03:49.71
youcantcompthis
You know, trying to bring in you know Jonathan Kuminger to sort of bridge that gap a little bit but you know how it's panned out I don't think they probably were expecting but I think if you're being realistic about the criticism level towards the bucks. Maybe the coaching changes where they went wrong.

03:53.32
Adz
Oh yeah.

03:58.71
Adz
Yeah.

04:06.39
Adz
Yeah.

04:08.34
youcantcompthis
And this is probably where I want to level the most amount of criticism to yarnis it's like really he's going to get the reputation for being a coach killer because when they fired Adrian Griffin they were the number one efficient offense and then they'll thirteenth and d.

04:24.26
Adz
Yeah, absolutely.

04:26.87
youcantcompthis
And essentially when you combine those 2 numbersmp together like that's championship level you know basketball so that to me is the most head scratching piece in that. Let's talk some cards because there's definitely we have to talk about Halliburton I think that's a non a nonstarter for me. Yeah.

04:31.44
Adz
Now.

04:43.19
Adz
yeah yeah I think I think Halliburton's an interesting um in the series. It's I don't know I've got I mean is lillard the one that's worth talking about. Um.

04:45.93
youcantcompthis
Who else? do you want to talk about in this series. Yeah.

04:55.70
youcantcompthis
We can talk about Lili Two I Think that's totally fine. Yeah.

05:00.33
Adz
I just I my concern is and and I agree with a lot that you said I just think their defenses bots come unraveled with their the changes. They've made and you're right? Doc Rivers is a terrible choice. Um, well, it's not even that he's a terrible choice. They had a perfectly good coach there.

05:11.45
youcantcompthis
Well did you see the shot that Halliburton made and did you look at how many rim protectors they had in like they had a whole team of guards in like even stuff like that. That's the stuff that really makes me confused with doc.

05:25.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah, Docs Um, yeah yeah I don't know maybe he's just a bit past it. But I don't know if it ain't broke. Don't fix it. Ah.

05:39.29
youcantcompthis
That's it.

05:39.96
Adz
And and they they had they they did break it and they and now they've got it then they've got to fix it. Um I mean without without yarnas they're they're really trying to put on a show at the moment but I just don't think they're a third seed without yarnas in the um yeah. That yanis in the lineup.

06:00.30
youcantcompthis
Halliburton Silver Psa ten last sold for $242 in the last three months he's actually down 43% so that to me is frankly fascinating I mean he did have a large spike before that.

06:14.60
Adz
There? yeah.

06:15.66
youcantcompthis
So it could literally just be that he went up and he's come down so his peak in the last six months with five hundred and ten dollars so yeah from that from that time like it's yeah, basically half hasn't it so look I have to say. Market cap on this is $81000 population list is 334 card ladder puts it at two hundred and forty two dollars which is I still haven't quite worked out if that's ah, a good piece of data or a bad piece of data but definitely worth noting on look I actually like this as a buy at the moment I think.

06:32.99
Adz
Yeah.

06:50.28
youcantcompthis
I actually suspect that we've just seen him go up and we've seen him go down I think with this playoff run this is going to go up again particularly if they get past the bucks and then if they have a good showing in round 2 like to me the the logic is there on that. But you know I think maybe where we need to start.

07:01.34
Adz
Yeah.

07:08.23
youcantcompthis
Moving these conversations and I feel like we've been doing this organically anyways, so we're almost at the point now where our silver is really a goodbye and do we need to start talking about different cards I know it's easy for us to you know, get the data on this but you know I think where you're looking at stuff with Halliburton is you know Oncar autographs his rpas.

07:09.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah point. Yeah.

07:24.86
Adz
Yeah, so.

07:27.44
youcantcompthis
Start looking at his numbered stuff because even if you tell me okay, a silver is a bad buy I actually think Halliburton at the moment is a very goodbye is where I'm going with that. So yeah.

07:37.19
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm um I'm just trying to look through the yeah for for value wise is there any other value in the Milwaukee roster as far as cards like.

07:48.42
youcantcompthis
So the for the box.

07:54.57
Adz
Yeah, because because Indiana I think that the focus is solely on Halliburton you they're used to like Turner Turner was a decent player but he's never had any hobby love um, and and. Was it? Yeah there's no there's no real I mean ob topping comes in off the bench but that through the whole matchup like like I've looked through the paces and the only person that really and it's a small market thing I guess but for the paces is Halliburton. Um.

08:15.90
youcantcompthis
For the bucks or paces you've mean paces. Yeah, ah sure. Yeah yeah.

08:27.60
Adz
But even going across like this is this is 2 not really marquee teams going at it is what I'm um, um, looking at as far as hobby wise um is Middleton worth looking at.

08:31.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

08:39.80
youcantcompthis
I think Middleton is totally fine if you want to have a bit of a look at him. But I I think sort of for me if I'm just talking about the buxist in general for me. Yanis is such a huge part of the hobby and.

08:53.12
Adz
Yeah.

08:56.10
youcantcompthis
You know I think we've spoken about him before in terms of him being just underappreciated just generally in the hobby in saying that the last twelve months he's actually a lot of his stuff has gone up a lot so this is the whole Matthew yuger conversation from two years ago you could pick up yana rookie Autographs for $1000 Ausie

09:01.38
Adz
Ah.

09:04.43
Adz
Yeah.

09:11.90
Adz
Yeah.

09:13.91
youcantcompthis
Like almost now to get a veteran autograph of his you're looking at a thousand plus so you know I'd probably say for me the 2 to look at would be yeah Halliburton and and yanis if you're looking at Middleton I've got no trouble with that at all. So the one that we put up on socials this week too is is Ben Shepherd so his game 2 line was.

09:22.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

09:33.29
youcantcompthis
You know, really for me reassuring I've been watching this guy from you know, a very long distance away. There's not a lot to really talk about this guy but he did play 23 minutes in you know, a very important game which I think is an important 8 points 2 3 points 3 rebounds 1 steal. So look. You're not going to go out and put the.

09:36.53
Adz
Yep.

09:44.27
Adz
Yeah.

09:51.89
youcantcompthis
House mortgage on this guy but I'll definitely add him to the to the watch list. The other thing about this too is the card that I put up this is the red choice from Prism and I think I've been incredibly critical of the prism autographs the last couple of years. But.

09:53.79
Adz
Yeah.

10:01.28
Adz
Now.

10:09.58
youcantcompthis
Really like this this year I think they've done a really good job of making them aesthetically pleasing and I would actually go 1 step further I find these cards quite collectible honestly silver orders. They look nice but the the colored ones are.

10:18.21
Adz
The the silvers the Silver autos.

10:28.00
youcantcompthis
Even out of like prism fast break. There's some like really nice red and white sort of paneled cards coming.

10:28.16
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually that's the that's not bad. Um I mean red for the paces is an interesting color. But yeah, like it's It's a nice. Yeah, no, it's definitely not. It's that but it's a nice color though like it.

10:38.33
youcantcompthis
I Don't think it's a color match. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I like it. Yeah yeah, this is a they just looked very bland.

10:45.88
Adz
The template's nice. The autograph's clean. It's not stuck over a card like I think that would be the criticism with prism is it's like the base card with a sticker over it.

10:57.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right, they looked very bland before I think they've done a really good job of just and not going to ott either. You know it's still got the prism sort of basic appearance. So yeah.

11:01.91
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely something that less is more I guess keep it simple like you don't need to to overcomplicate the card and fill it with nonsense.

11:14.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

11:20.38
Adz
Ah think ah yeah, they look good now.

11:23.10
youcantcompthis
Damien Lillard silver PS a 10 rookie population 41 market cap 43000 last sold at a thousand and forty eight usd so looking at the last six months he's down.

11:26.26
Adz
Yep.

11:32.70
Adz
Ah, this is.

11:40.26
youcantcompthis
37% again I'm actually beginning to wonder now is this more of a market shift than an actual hit me.

11:41.76
Adz
Um.

11:46.50
Adz
Or are you ready for ready for this information though. All right total population one eighty seven total gems 1 42 is actually ah but between the psa ten s so we're looking at gems is.

11:53.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

12:00.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure yep, talk to me more about that.

12:04.45
Adz
41 psa ten s eighty nine bgs nine point fives. Um and 12 blacks sorry black ah Tens beckett tens so you're a you hundred and forty. It's not that really rare.

12:07.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? yeah.

12:22.46
Adz
41 pop low pop that we were talking about. And yeah, it's it's yeah, definitely interesting looking at that way. But yeah, last last sold for that was what thousand and fifty

12:23.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure that was a bit misleading. You're right that That's a better way to present the data. Definitely yeah.

12:36.69
youcantcompthis
The only thing about that though is I'm not disagreeing with Ryan's principles here about calling a gem 9.5 I don't have a problem with that. But. You can buy a 9.5 and send it to psa. It doesn't mean it's going to get a 10 and also there's the cost associated with it. So sometimes.

12:58.57
Adz
That's true.

13:05.44
Adz
I mean this could segue to ah to a different argument. Do we do? We reach out to bgs and say scrap your 9.5 nonsense because it's doing everyone's head in.

13:05.85
youcantcompthis
No, no, definitely no.

13:13.95
youcantcompthis
No definitely like and it's probably not the right day to have this like sort of deep and meaningful but at the same time. Um I think I think it's really important that we do look at the total data but at the same time Psa has such a market hold at the moment in terms of card values.

13:19.22
Adz
Um.

13:23.16
Adz
The.

13:29.90
Adz
Yeah.

13:31.44
youcantcompthis
There is such a difference between a psa ten and an nine point five in terms of value and it's also not a home run that it converts over across so you know what I mean it's like yeah.

13:38.91
Adz
Look looking at the total pop report like I go to the one that I drill down on a little book in Card Ladder So it's it's fantastic. So we've we've got all that that gem rate stuff there but then it breaks it down and in that bracket. It actually shows the last sold price. So.

13:44.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you love that little book. Yep.

13:56.45
youcantcompthis
So it's very handy. Yeah.

13:58.50
Adz
Friends at card ladder have got some really cool features at the moment. So ah with the psa stuff. It's got psa 10 s last sold thousand and fifty six psa nine s last sold price. However, many of the rest then we go to Beckett the nine point five S last sold is 7 60 1 ninety one. So it's actually going with what you said is it's not the same ten ps a 10 and a b g s nine point five aren't the same like that price point. Although ah, no about a hundred dollars difference between a bgs nine and a psa nine on the last sold.

14:17.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

14:24.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

14:35.15
youcantcompthis
Yep.

14:36.43
Adz
The bgs 10 however, last sold just trying to see what if this will bring it up for me what the date was but the last sold fifteen where is that the card lader price fifteen thirty six lot actually yeah psa ten bgs ten last offer one thousand six hundred and eighty seven actually that that is the card ladder value in the box. So March fourth so it's recent That's what I was checking for.

15:04.00
youcantcompthis
Do you have a date on that of the sale. Yeah, right? Okay, that's a that actually really surprises me because looking to other stuff where it's trended down the last couple of months you would think that that's actually quite high. Yeah.

15:13.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just interesting trying to deep dive into the brackets the price under the thing is the card Ladder value. Not the actual last sold value. Anyway.

15:26.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, let's talk about the wolves and sun series have you enjoyed watching that series so far.

15:30.50
Adz
Yeah I have but for for very malicious reasons I have a friend that's a longuffering Phoenix fan and and it's it's it's nice to not be the only 1 suffering through the playoffs. Um I also have a friend who's a long suffering Minnesota fan.

15:50.60
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

15:50.46
Adz
So it's nice to see him happy. So yeah, it's kind of um I know it's an enjoyable series. But I think it's the it's a changing of the guard. It feels like a changing of the guard. Um, yeah, this Minnesota team is is is real I mean we'll find out today game 3

15:55.74
youcantcompthis
Um, it's a hundred percent absolutely yeah

16:08.83
Adz
If the Suns can win on their home floor and keep the series alive but I don't know that minnesota defense is is legit.

16:19.28
youcantcompthis
So I think my takeaway so far from this series has been that it's definitely a contrast in styles of play and and I really enjoy that and I think where I just keep coming back to is that I think I was dead against them having 2 big guys out at the same time.

16:26.56
Adz
M.

16:38.73
Adz
Yep.

16:38.83
youcantcompthis
And they've just gone deep into this I think they've made an organizational commitment to this. They're going to try it for 3 years it's not like a short-term you know, blow it up if it doesn't work in 1 year like I really think they've committed to this team in the long-term. So for me, that's really interesting. So.

16:47.14
Adz
Um, yeah.

16:53.56
Adz
Get.

16:57.50
youcantcompthis
If you take that long-term commitment and you sort of just tease that out a little bit Yoke's been talking about this in press press conferences recently where he's saying it takes time to get chemistry and to learn how to play with each other and to learn each other tendencies and that's what I'm sort of seeing at the moment I Really think this wolves team is starting to like.

17:10.29
Adz
Yep, yeah.

17:16.48
youcantcompthis
Know where each other are on the court. They know what they like to do when they're in these situations you know they like to run handoffs or isolations and all that type of stuff and then I think of course the obvious one to mention right? now is is adwards because.

17:28.75
Adz
Anthony Edwards is is legit.

17:31.57
youcantcompthis
And yeah and I'm going to say the same thing about Tyrus Maxe in 2 seconds too I really think we're watching these guys blossom in front of us and become you know what their maximum potential is and I really do enjoy that you know watching guys come out. So.

17:46.34
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah.

17:50.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah, this is maybe more interesting than what we've just discussed so edwards population just on the psa 1644 last sold for six hundred and ninety two despite that insanely high pop count.

17:58.80
Adz
Yep.

18:09.62
youcantcompthis
Last six months he's up 22% it's a very steady increase there I'm actually really surprised by this I thought these would sort of get to that sort of $500 Mark and some start to taper off but he's the people's champion I think that's the.

18:16.10
Adz
It is It is um.

18:28.70
Adz
I was very interesting was it game one. He said he's going to be the best player in the league in the next few years edwards

18:28.91
youcantcompthis
The way you can say it.

18:32.95
youcantcompthis
Sure I mean these guys have crazy amounts of confidence. So that's not outrageous for them to say that right.

18:40.28
Adz
Yeah, well, that's yeah, you have to be 1 of the elite in order to to be even get into that arena so you've got to think so highly of yourself in order to step on that court. You know what? I mean.

18:46.30
youcantcompthis
You? Yeah yeah, definitely So I think the question is the obvious question now for you is is this a buy holder a sell.

19:05.46
Adz
It's.

19:06.38
youcantcompthis
Because I think Anthony Edwards is a buy same as what I just said for Halliburton but is this the right card and I think that's probably where I'm going because look.

19:08.61
Adz
Yeah, agreed. Yeah yeah I think I think looking at a variety of cards is is very much where the thought needs to be because. Yeah, we've we've seen this before like the silver and and look I mean I can't I can't change my my stance because it's a different player but the pop counts insane. And yeah.

19:30.48
youcantcompthis
So yeah.

19:40.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that is that is very very high even for me that's like makes me quite unnerved. So yeah, look I would probably say if you've got one of these now's a good time to sell like.

19:45.14
Adz
Yeah, like.

19:49.54
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah, um.

19:53.21
youcantcompthis
Does that mean it's not going to go up in the future. No I actually I could imagine this going up higher but I just really do think you're better off just putting your money to something different and you know I think the real question for me is and I was tossing this up with a pc purchase this week is do you buy lower graded. Lower numbered cards. So for example, something that's number to 25 that's sayps a 8 which is probably going for about the same price as what a silver is in this in this scenario that I'm not really fleshing at that well, but I think it's the same thing.

20:15.97
Adz
Yep, yeah yeah, a f I see that? yeah but it makes it. It makes sense that you you pick up? Yeah well all right I've got a ah.

20:31.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

20:33.96
Adz
Because ah our friends at card ladder have been joining us through the playoffs I've got a an Anthony Edwards versus which card would you select should we should we do that so we'll start off with a a since we're talking about the changing of the guard I'll give you the sons player first.

20:40.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah, cool, Let's do that? Yeah, that sounds fantastic.

20:51.36
Adz
<unk> a 2008 Topps Chrome Kevin Durant red refractor and the red refractor is number to 5 I believe psa 10 or an Anthony Edwards select rookie autographed gold to 10.

21:19.20
youcantcompthis
I'm going to go K d.

21:21.89
Adz
I'm gonna go ah amen so that last sold price was 6710 for the for the durant and last sold for the edwards was 6650 card ladders got these guys very similar.

21:22.48
youcantcompthis
Okay, cool you you flesh out.

21:31.29
youcantcompthis
Yep.

21:35.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

21:39.82
Adz
As there as their recommended price. Um I just I don't think history is going to look back favorably on Durant and I think Edwards has got a higher ceiling is where.

21:49.49
youcantcompthis
Go. Then Kevin Durant that is a crazy call all right, you better justify this sir.

21:57.68
Adz
Yeah.

22:01.64
Adz
Um, this is this this this kid is I don't know of all the players I've seen so far that are going to take the conch so to speak from from Kobe's legacy I see that in in Anthony yeah edwards.

22:15.30
youcantcompthis
So you put and you're a kobe fan just for people who don't know Adam loves Kobe so this is not. He's not throwing shade but you are happy to use Anthony Edwards and Kobe Bryant in the same sentence. Yeah well.

22:19.30
Adz
Yeah.

22:26.88
Adz
I Think that's his ceiling if he keeps tracking in the trajectory. He's going that kid's got the drive and the ego and the work ethic. So I think I think there is a a big big upside for this kid.

22:33.18
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, why.

22:43.56
youcantcompthis
Okay, I mean you've you've heard it here first people I think that's a yeah, okay no I love it. No I love it I I don't I don't feel the same way. But at the same time I Still love the take like I think that's really cool.

22:46.20
Adz
Um I don't know if he sets that stage in Minnesota but yeah, kids got a high ceiling. Yeah.

23:00.10
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

23:03.26
youcantcompthis
So I think for me why I leant towards the Kds because actually having the career that Kd's had is really difficult to have so I'll put I'll flip this around a little bit like if Edwards has the same career that Kd has you'll be like you know wow this guy's had an amazing career and I think for me where I'm sort of.

23:12.62
Adz
Um, yeah.

23:19.60
Adz
Yeah.

23:23.10
youcantcompthis
Looking at Kd's maybe maybe being a bit undervalued whether he trolls other people or people troll him you know I do think that does sort of fit into his current narrative of why people like or don't like him so I just wonder as we remove ourselves.

23:38.89
Adz
Um, yeah.

23:42.53
youcantcompthis
Through time from all that sort of social media nonsense and then you look back at it and say actually this guy was insanely good for you know, quite a long period of time like he's had injury problems. You can't not say that but at the same time. He's also stuck around like he hasn't you know.

23:44.35
Adz
Yeah.

23:55.90
Adz
Um, yeah.

24:00.28
youcantcompthis
He's had a much longer creed than magic already and he scored what the tenth most points now. So it's yeah I look I like it for those sort of reasons but at the same time. Yeah I hate to say it. You've sort of convinced me you I like your take much better that was really cool.

24:01.10
Adz
Yeah.

24:17.67
Adz
Have.

24:19.56
youcantcompthis
I think the other one we should talk about now is nasreed. So if we're keeping with this wolves theme. He won the 6 men of the year award. It was the closest award voting ever and the difference between first and second place I think it was a 10 total of 10 points. So malikunk came second I think a lot of these awards are also determined by team success and I actually don't have a problem with it at all because I listen to. Sacramento King's podcast and they deep dive into this stuff and they were saying Malik Monk really needed to be 6 men of the year so he could get this next big contract. But I find it very difficult to sort of comprehend that 10 votes is going to stop him from getting like a $ 40000000 contract you know I mean like people are going to look back at the last.

24:55.80
Adz
Oh.

25:05.13
Adz
A bigger contract. Yeah, exactly right.

25:12.50
youcantcompthis
2 years if he's playing Sacramento be like you know this guy is really valuable. We should have your one our team we should pay this guy I think that's how it's going to go so I think for me, that's all bit of like it's a bit silly and do I think that the voting process is flawed because they take in team success and also.

25:27.65
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

25:30.63
youcantcompthis
Play success. Yeah I do think that but at the same time you know Nasri definitely deserves some kudos and I think so do the wolves right? That's probably where I'm getting to this in a very long winded way. We need to recognize these you know, really good teams that are played so.

25:36.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Definitely definitely.

25:47.69
youcantcompthis
Nas Reed does not have a prism rookie card. So if you are looking to invest or if you're looking to pc or collect nasread at the moment you need to look at different things. So a lot of select has sold for this guy. So.

25:54.92
Adz
Yeah.

26:04.61
youcantcompthis
There's a bunch that's been sold at the moment. He's actually really quite hard at the moment so nasreid concourse light blue number to 299 psa ten last sold for one hundred and twenty five usd I'm got to tell you ad I I think it's a bad time to be buying this guy particularly when he's as hot as hes.

26:20.92
Adz
Just won an award. Yeah yeah, fisher.

26:24.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right now. So look if you're buying nasreid because you you like him I'm definitely not telling you not to do it Buy what you enjoy. But I'd also say if you buying this guy to invest at the moment I think this is really dangerous times at the moment. Yeah, that's right I think now is a good time to sell if you want to you know flip some stuff out.

26:29.60
Adz
Yeah.

26:36.92
Adz
Um, the horses bolted so to speak. Um.

26:43.38
youcantcompthis
Now do I think that in the next six months the next twelve months that nasreid is going to be a goodbye. Absolutely you know this guy is very skilled. He's totally fine. You know I think the other sort of hangup I have and it's a bit of a cop hat for me to say this but you also have to say like he's a big guy and big guys generally aren't. Collected as much as say malik monk but but in saying that Malik Monk is going for a lot cheaper than what Nas read is at the moment so you know there you go.

27:14.23
Adz
Yeah, well deserving nasread by the way first sixth man of the year I think yeah surprised a lot of people.

27:21.84
youcantcompthis
Definitely yeah Steph Curry clutch player of the year

27:29.61
Adz
Yes, well, that's another another string in Steph's bow um yeah I saw I saw a post that says is um because they've named ah they've named awards now after different players.

27:32.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah, talk to us about that. You tell me about this offer.

27:43.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

27:45.77
Adz
Um, he's definitely got himself quite quite the the collection of Mba Greats in his trophy cabinet has he won an all-star I'm not sure Steph yeah curry awards.

27:52.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah. An all-star Mvp.

28:04.57
Adz
Because that's the Kobe award. Ah no, he's won okay, so he's won it. Yeah finals Mvp mvp clutch player.

28:18.74
Adz
I don't know there's so many different awards list of achievements and I don't know what they're all called these days so I don't know they might be named did he as he won an all star western conference finals Mvp. Ah, scoring Andbs that 10 time all star hasn't won to hasn't won a um allstar mvp so he's got to get? Oh no, he has he has 1 he did we know all star andvp. Yep yep, he.

28:42.85
youcantcompthis
Old time vp really I was just about to say there's no way he's okay, great. I's going to say surely. He's one one? Yeah yeah.

28:53.29
Adz
So he's got Jerry West magic johnson Kobe Bryant he's is accumulating everybody. That's like he's he's I mean he hasn't won all defensive team. But that's probably um because it's not what he's known for.

28:59.83
youcantcompthis
What an award case that would be.

29:12.65
Adz
But he's That's ah, that's a lot of awards and even in a year where I mean the warriors didn't fare so good. It's nice to see Steph get recognition for what he did like he was a standout as far as a clutch performer and he always has been.

29:28.58
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

29:30.57
Adz
Let's be let's be fair that man makes the impossible look easy.

29:35.50
youcantcompthis
Yes, he's changed the game and I think we're gonna talk about Steph Curry cards right now and I think changing the game. Let's just keep that in our minds as we're having this conversation. So I think Steph Curry is a buyer and I think maybe the best way to say.

29:47.80
Adz
Um.

29:53.33
youcantcompthis
Steph Curry is a buy I think Steph Curry is a buy pretty much of any ah of his rookie cards anything that is game one now I've been looking into buying some steph curry rookies at the moment and I've actually been really enjoying the process.

30:03.86
Adz
Yep.

30:13.60
youcantcompthis
Hangup for me obviously is is the cash involved. You can't just it's not a quick. It's not a quick purchase right? I think it's something you need to plan out, you probably need to sell a few pieces all that type of stuff. So I'm trying to you know make the best decision I can so I've been looking at Psa Eight s because.

30:15.44
Adz
Impulse by oh.

30:28.57
Adz
Oh okay.

30:32.19
youcantcompthis
The price of them. You know it's not like the lowest in the worlds is ah again I'm I'm trying to give this as much respect as I can. It's an expensive purchase. Um, but I do wonder just with his. Impact on the game moving forward is this the type of thing that you buy a psa 8 and just over the years that will just sort of just trickle up in value population on the 8 is one thousand five hundred so you know there is a lot of them. It's not like there's none of them. But but if people are paying.

30:50.78
Adz
Yeah. Probably. Yeah.

31:07.63
youcantcompthis
Equal amounts for you know Edwards for a silver. Yes, it's a different grade. Yes, it's a different card I understand all that type of stuff too. But we're talking about Steph Curry you and Anthony Edwards right so I think that's kind of where I'm thinking about that and so that long term sort of value and.

31:10.16
Adz
Yeah.

31:19.56
Adz
Yeah.

31:27.50
youcantcompthis
I don't think there's that many home runs in in hobby and I there's no guarantee this is gonna be a home run but like let's be honest, you if you could say the 4 people is like Jordan Kobe Lebron and Steph.

31:29.98
Adz
Yeah I yeah.

31:41.84
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah for sure.

31:44.25
youcantcompthis
I Think that's a pretty you know, reasonable thing to say so that's where I'm going with this is that I think sometimes I've been thinking about recommendations. We haven't haven't been making lately on the show I Actually don't think we've been making that many buy recommendations. So this episode I want to make.

32:01.50
Adz
More more in the in looking for cards to buy if you want to yeah for sure for agreed I I have to admit I have I started looking at Steph Rookies and and I got a little bit.

32:04.23
youcantcompthis
More buy recommendations. Yeah yeah, so I think Steph Curry is you should be buying Steph Curry I think it's as it's simple as that. Yeah.

32:17.93
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

32:20.58
Adz
Um I don't know not down about it it. It is a difficult process and I think it's ah I need to save some pennies and either go for something big or or and it's still on the big scale. But I'm not paying $20000 for a limited number rookie card kind of thing.

32:23.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:36.56
youcantcompthis
So yeah, exactly yeah.

32:39.25
Adz
Um, anyone that wants to spend that that is struggling to find an autograph and this is around that $3000 price Mark so not not a um, small purchase by any means I keep looking at ah the from downtown because I thought maybe a kaboom.

32:47.11
youcantcompthis
Um, I you? Yeah yeah, okay.

32:58.70
Adz
Because obviously Kaboom's ah ah, ah, ah, one of those chase cards. But I feel like from downtown and Steph Curry ah very synonymous with one another. So I've been looking so they were in about the 3000 for a psa 10 from downtown from studio 2016

33:01.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure like yeah, yeah, that's really cool. Yeah.

33:17.58
Adz
Three thousand two hundred last sold. So.

33:20.60
youcantcompthis
So I actually very deliberate least um, didn't say autographs and the reason I didn't is because Steph signs a lot and I I don't know how you calculate this actually I spoke to Ryan about this. He.

33:23.80
Adz
Yeah.

33:35.88
youcantcompthis
I don't think he actually got back to me about this and and maybe the reason he didn't get back to me I think it's very difficult to collate that data but I would say this though I I actually don't know who signs more than Steph Curry yeah okay so actually.

33:40.27
Adz
Oh yeah, like.

33:48.35
Adz
Magic Johnson

33:55.20
youcantcompthis
You might have just answered my question so is there a future that Steph Curry Vet Autos go to similar to magic Johnson prices.

33:59.73
Adz
Drop yeah Kobe you're right because Magic Johnson Cards in general don't don't fetch out like magic autos don't fetch as higher price as you would expect.

34:15.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

34:18.29
Adz
And that's probably got something to do with the fact that he will sign anything.

34:19.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right I get look. You can't really predict the future like that and say that he's going to do what magic's done. You know sign for forty years but I don't know I kind of get the impression Steph would do that.

34:27.73
Adz
9 I know.

34:34.37
Adz
Yeah, yeah, he it's that happy guy. You know what I mean like magic magic johnson is synonymous with a big smile and always being such a happy positive guy and then you've got Steph Curry who

34:39.61
youcantcompthis
Um, and.

34:46.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

34:51.74
Adz
Just laughs while he plays the game of basketball like he yeah didn't laugh as much but but do not I mean like he has so much fun playing the game that he doesn't is. He's just I can't imagine him saying no to signing a card.

34:52.99
youcantcompthis
Wow Not the last couple of games. He didn't look that happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:07.59
youcantcompthis
And well the other sort of loophole here is that with fanatics taking over sports cards in general, not just the Nba we can tie this into the next segment segment actually so. There's going to be more money floating around from pinini for other athletes. So Tim Duncan signing again and they paid him a bucket I can't find anything very verified on that. But I've heard a couple of rumors about it so I can actually imagine pinini doing that to Steph Curry just paying him.

35:28.40
Adz
Yeah.

35:39.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah money No new.

35:45.00
youcantcompthis
All the money that they would have had to you know, spend on autographs. Yeah, let's go down the run sheet mate and check out that crown royale review. So basically crown is about to drop um the chase cards in Crown Royale is kabooms.

36:02.94
youcantcompthis
This year they're doing numbered cards. So they're doing one of ones which are a green I I don't like it when they mess with colors and numbers in my head green is number to 5 It's emerald and black should be 1 of 1

36:16.61
Adz
Yep yep.

36:20.24
youcantcompthis
But at the same time I think if you hit a 1 of 1 webby that would just be crazy. Maybe it didn't fit on the on the kaboom pattern template. It just looked.

36:28.81
Adz
I'm curious to know why they went with green.

36:37.59
youcantcompthis
Maybe too dark I don't know anyway in terms of a chase card I think crown royale breaks and sealed product is going to go absolutely crazy this year I think that might be double what it was last year to be perfectly. Honest.

36:40.95
Adz
Interesting.

36:56.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and then looking again looking at the preview the patch autograph stuff that they've put in there just looks absolutely amazing and Tim Duncan is on card signing in this stuff I have no idea what spurse is going to be in a PYT but it is going to be huge with Duncan and wembby cards in there.

37:14.63
Adz
And wembby I'm glad I'm glad they added Duncan in just to you know make people want to pick the spurs more. Ah.

37:15.83
youcantcompthis
And kabooms. Yeah, the irony is the last couple years. No one's really wanted the spurs. So if they had had Dunkin in last year or the year before that would have been actually really good. It would have evened it out just a little bit more because yeah look I got to say though I think.

37:27.93
Adz
Um, would have gone. Yeah, definitely.

37:34.73
youcantcompthis
With break prices being I think what they're going to be for spurs for crown I'm just going to wait for the aftermarke and just try and pick up a Duncan autograph I really really really want a duncan autograph I can't tell you how much I'm froffing right now for this to come out I'm like I just cannot wait and.

37:51.63
Adz
Yeah.

37:54.35
youcantcompthis
Typically I'm not a massive fan of the patch autograph stuff with crown but I'm going to make ah an exception for this year definitely particularly if it's game game warm stuff right? like I think that's really cool I think for all the vet stuff. It will be yeah the rookie stuff it's it's gonna be the same nonsense that we've been.

38:00.70
Adz
It Do you reckon Louisie game worn. Yeah in hope so same old same old. Yeah.

38:12.86
youcantcompthis
Picking up for the last couple of years but yeah all the vet stuff will be definitely that will be yeah, what about you? What are you interested in looking at for Crown.

38:22.59
Adz
I mean I mean the kabooms are always always beautiful. Um I mean the the rookie even the Rookie Autos the silhouettes that was awesome I do like some of the the die cut stuff.

38:32.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

38:38.50
youcantcompthis
Do you really? Okay, that's good I mean tell me why? yeah yeah.

38:39.54
Adz
Comes out because because I I've got a thing for diecars like I enjoy it but I feel like some sets go too far and obviously Crown Royale is is the set that does obviously go too far if they're all crownshaped cards the base cards.

38:54.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

38:57.75
Adz
So I'm not sure if that's the that's the case but I'm looking like I don't know I like the the step the preview the Crown Jewel I Guess it's sort of Diamond shaped that's supposed to be like a jewel shape. Um, it's nice.

39:05.38
youcantcompthis
Yep.

39:14.20
youcantcompthis
They've definitely put some thought into it. Yeah.

39:15.83
Adz
Yeah, like I think that's actually a really nice design of a card I'm sure it'll sparkle more than the image we were given um you'd you'd like to think so. But yeah I like I think I don't know it's a quality product and if that's all on card stuff as well.

39:21.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, hope So yeah.

39:30.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:32.79
Adz
On Card Auto versus Sticker order we we we have this discussion regularly. It's it's a thing. It's definitely on-cart Autos are sought after and if Crown Royale comes with on card for their their bigger hits then then the product will.

39:35.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:51.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, hey I think we need to talk a bit more about we b because he is just dominating the hobby at the moment. There was a black one of 1 PA 9 sold recently for half a million dollars

39:52.40
Adz
Will be popular.

40:06.71
Adz
Yes.

40:10.30
youcantcompthis
Hypothetically if backyard breaks hits the 1 of 1 which seems unlikely but also very possible. What do you? What do you think that would sell for because I think what's gonna happen that will go. It'll get ripped and it'll go straight.

40:19.83
Adz
Ah, unlikely, but highly probable. Ah.

40:28.77
youcantcompthis
P say straight to market that there's no way there is no way in my mind someone's vaulting that they're going to like get that out to market straight away just with how hot this guy is at the moment like half a million dollars is U S.

40:29.22
Adz
You talk the the kabom.

40:45.20
youcantcompthis
But that's life changing money.

40:45.23
Adz
Rookie Ka Boom do you reckon? It's half a million again or you go it goes closer to 6 7 six seven hundred k I reckon and reckon reckon. It could hit seven fifty okay yes

40:54.92
youcantcompthis
No I'm okay that yeah sure that's fine. No I was the same the black shima 1 of 1 sold with 500 you're saying this could go for seven fifty yeah cool you've pretty much answered my question I yeah I really don't know it's just.

40:59.34
Adz
The the group. Yeah.

41:13.84
youcantcompthis
I find these numbers so like almost confronting when they you know, get up like this and I think what's going through my head a little bit too is um I'm going to steal your phrase here is the whole future prices thing like if we pay 500000 for for that how much more is that.

41:15.77
Adz
Yeah.

41:26.67
Adz
Yep.

41:31.20
youcantcompthis
Going to go up in the next ten years I really I really struggle with that stuff sometimes and I'd really love to interview one of these dudes that has these high end purchases I don't think actually I'm going to say the kaboom doesn't go as high as the prism one of one I think that is.

41:34.81
Adz
Um, yeah.

41:50.70
youcantcompthis
The prism is the card that matters in 20 years time the kaboom that's very much subject to hobbyists and how trends move and stuff like that. Yeah I'm saying it goes less.

42:02.33
Adz
Yeah I think I think paying future prices is where everything's at especially with Wemby at the moment. He's yeah, he's dominated the league. He.

42:12.30
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah I Actually think you should have got defensive player The yeah.

42:17.43
Adz
His hat was in the ring for defensive player of the year in year one um yeah it's it's very it is very easy to to jump on the hype train with wembby.

42:31.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

42:35.32
Adz
The thing is yeah I don't know if the future prices are are a smart investment would be the way to. Yeah yeah.

42:43.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's right this next post is staying in the wembby theme and it's from Twitter at wmbacardscom. That's a mouthful, really good follow if you don't follow them, please jump on board. Wba cards com that's better. What I said it the second time most of their content is wnba content. So that's like stating the obvious but at the same time this next piece is about us border patrol in Rochester new york sees the shipment containing fake wembby rookie cards. So not just.

43:04.68
Adz
Ah, yeah.

43:21.76
youcantcompthis
A handful like a shipment the articles states the shipment came from China with others containing commenting online about an influx base when be rookie cards on the bay lately I think when they say the bay they're talking about the chinese ebay and.

43:40.63
Adz
Yep yep.

43:41.30
youcantcompthis
American Ebay So this is the stuff that keeps me awake at night ad I'm not going to lie to you because you say I can't afford a silver. Maybe I can go on to ebay and save up my money and and buy a base webby card.

43:46.59
Adz
You say.

43:58.26
Adz
Yep.

43:59.14
youcantcompthis
Even though our general sort of consensus is to stay away from base rookies. But let's just say that's what you can afford and that's what you really want like we support you in doing that and then someone sells you a fake like this is the stuff that really keeps me up awake at night. So I think we've sort of alluded to this.

44:03.84
Adz
Yeah.

44:10.65
Adz
Yeah.

44:15.79
youcantcompthis
A couple of times before about stuff coming out of China the the chinese ebate at the moment how that's influencing the market and changing comps because of how low some of the prices are over there.

44:26.43
Adz
Yep, yeah.

44:30.32
youcantcompthis
Some people are saying the opposite some people saying well actually it's all 100% legitimate it's just really good price at the moment. It's not a platform that's being utilized enough. You know so that's sort of the you know the pros and the cons I I actually don't want to make this about um.

44:38.43
Adz
Okay, yep.

44:47.65
youcantcompthis
You know fake stuff coming out of China I more want to make this conversation about how do you protect yourself when you're making purchases and that's what I was thinking about with this. So then I did read a little bit further and I found another article about it and what it did emphasize is that the logo above his head where it says spurs.

45:04.00
Adz
Yeah.

45:06.74
youcantcompthis
That's slightly faded out or washed out in comparison to the ones that panini made. So I think you know being really realistic you. How can you protect yourself from this I Actually don't think you can because the the differences in the card is so little.

45:10.60
Adz
Yeah.

45:23.72
Adz
Yep.

45:24.54
youcantcompthis
Photographs on Ebay often can be compromised. They're not always that clear or perfect. So maybe you stay away from photographs that aren't very clear. You do check the lettering and you just buy from people who have got 200 plus ebay ratings

45:29.10
Adz
Yeah.

45:42.31
youcantcompthis
I Don't know is that enough to keep yourself safe.

45:44.75
Adz
It's definitely it's it's definitely a good way to be cautious about it honestly I I don't think there's any 100% verified way to protect yourself fully. Um.

45:58.60
youcantcompthis
Buying Braw. Yeah.

46:01.28
Adz
And and that's a thing even buying graded sometimes like there's some, there's less risk I Guess um, especially when things have got barcodes exactly exactly right? Yeah, but but but you're right buying Raw is ah it's a buyer Beware market.

46:06.54
youcantcompthis
Well, if you're buying psa least you get the guarantee right that they will They will take care of that in. So yeah.

46:19.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

46:22.30
Adz
I mean we would like to hope that that the majority 99% of people in the hobby um are honest, ah selling genuine cards and are completely transparent with the way they conduct themselves. But of course you're going to get people that are trying to make.

46:33.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely of course. Yep.

46:40.84
Adz
You can I mean we talk about it every week the sheer number of dollars involved in this hobby attracts some unwanted elements as simple as that and and we're never going to be fully rid of it. But educating people new to the hobby.

46:45.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

47:00.80
Adz
And and people that aren't new to the Hobby on ways to steer clear or warning signs red flags to look for. That's the best we can do um as a hobby is look out for each other um draw attention to it and yeah, call it out. Yeah.

47:07.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

47:18.27
youcantcompthis
Yep.

47:19.30
Adz
Look for things that we notice I've seen counterfeit cards through through other products in my time with with like trading card games I mean Pokemon went through it years ago yougi I went through it magic the gathering. Yep and that pokemon got to a point where you just couldn't tell the difference.

47:26.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah Poca Bond still goes through it though. Yeah yeah.

47:37.66
Adz
And and it was like well if it is it is it isn't It isn't like there was magic the gathering got to the point where the card stock with the um because there's like a blue layer in the card stock for some games like magic the gathering hasbro Ive gone to the trouble of.

47:51.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

47:55.87
Adz
Trying to make them less counterfeitable. But once again fakes have come out of China that are near impossible to to recognize because the card stock's been replicated and it's yeah yeah, and at what point is the fake that good that it's genuine.

48:05.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's unbelievable in it and.

48:15.68
youcantcompthis
Um.

48:16.90
Adz
Yeah, that's not me supporting fakes at all by the way that yeah yeah, and it leaves a bad taste. Yeah, yeah.

48:18.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah I Just don't really want fakes I think that's that's as I think that's the easiest way I can say it. It just doesn't I Just don't want to collect that stuff. Yeah, yeah I think now's a good time to have a break ad So why don't we have a quick commercial break and we will be right.

48:33.28
Adz
Sounds great.

48:36.83
youcantcompthis
Back.

49:18.56
youcantcompthis
And we are back. How did you enjoy the breakout. Yeah, that's right right? So this is something that.

49:22.20
Adz
We're back. It was great. That's great I feel very refreshed.

49:32.95
youcantcompthis
Has no logic at all. But it's been on my mind and I wanted to do it so I did it Jamie Huck has versus Anthony Simons so hear me out here for 2 seconds why did I want to do this silly comparison he does play in Portland.

49:43.74
Adz
Anthony Simons doesn't he play in Portland aren't they completely irrelevant for like the next decade now.

49:52.47
youcantcompthis
I think the next two years is gonna be tough if you're Portland yeah.

49:56.21
Adz
The hour was just really taking it just having a stab at Portland there was really really unfair of me. Yeah.

50:03.70
youcantcompthis
Ah, that's okay, so look I like what Portland is doing in theory I think they've taken a lot of swings on young plays and given them the time to development so cj a column is probably the best example obviously.

50:14.43
Adz
Um.

50:19.79
youcantcompthis
Damien Leed was a fantastic pick Anthony Simons is someone else they picked in shade and sharp I think that's the other one. We probably need to discuss at some point but I want to talk about this because I think a lot of stock did go into this guy so his highest price was nearly 350 at one point.

50:21.93
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

50:40.21
Adz
Yeah, yeah, he was ah is that through the that's not even through the the bubble really well 2020 it yeah bubbleish so I was around that 2022 point where people were spending way too much money. But yeah, true.

50:45.60
youcantcompthis
Bible is.

50:50.80
youcantcompthis
He also around that time was actually playing some pretty like good basketball too. So population of this is high though one thousand four hundred so we're talking sky high current pricing now is sub a hundred dollars so we're sitting at 70

50:57.45
Adz
True.

51:04.90
Adz
No.

51:07.41
youcantcompthis
So I suppose what I'm trying to do here is make a comparison of 2 lower end prospects and one is sort of all the hype which is Anthony Syons and then you've got Jamie Huckers who's just like all grit. He's a big guy.

51:15.17
Adz
Yep.

51:25.73
youcantcompthis
He plays the game. You know the mimy heat like the right way. Yeah, and then I found this really interesting to look into because I was not expecting the numbers that I saw. So for example I thought Simons would be higher than this in terms of his dollar value and.

51:29.15
Adz
Yep, Plays the heat game.

51:41.58
Adz
Um.

51:43.13
youcantcompthis
Hu has last sold for one hundred and thirteen usd on a PA 10 point so I was very surprised by that and so that's actually made me sort of want to look into this a little bit more so then diving into the population data. So Jamie is not on card ladder. So I've pulled this from a couple of different sources. So.

51:54.74
Adz
Yeah.

52:01.47
youcantcompthis
Thank you Ryan for your data here. So his total gems is one hundred and forty nine which I I am again I'm really surprised that many of these cards are being sent off to psa. So.

52:01.68
Adz
Yep.

52:15.87
Adz
There's a lot of Miami fans out there.

52:17.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah I suppose anyway look where I'm going with this is I actually think Simons is now going to be sunk money because I think he's sort of had his hobby time I think the market is spoken.

52:31.76
Adz
Ah.

52:34.57
youcantcompthis
He's gone from 300 down to 70 I think that's you know that's pretty ominous in that space I think for the rotation for Portland in the next couple of years I don't see him being prioritized I think shade and sharp is going to get a lot of burn. Unlesst they work out a way to play sharp ensy's at the same time I think it's going to be very problematic for him on the flip side I really love Jamie's game and whether it's with the Miami heat or with someone else I actually love him as like a point forward. You know that big guy just doing everything out on the court and I think.

52:53.38
Adz
Yeah, good point.

53:06.73
Adz
Like yeah.

53:09.80
youcantcompthis
With his natural progression I think he's scoring can get better I think I'm not throwing shade at the guy I'm just saying I think he's going to get better in that space. But I think he's bull handling he's playmaking is still got some room to improve there too. I really love this guy so look. The only thing I'm going to just I've just froffed over this guy for 2 minutes but

53:19.57
Adz
Fish oil. Yeah. Yeah.

53:29.78
youcantcompthis
It is a little bit of a bio beware thing because who are you sort of bidding against when you're buying these cards who is going to be buying them in the future. It's not like a magic Johnson autograph that's liquid that you can list it for sale and it's sold like you might be trying to you know sell these cards for quite a while.

53:40.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

53:48.19
youcantcompthis
At the same time is this someone who's like a deep cut to sort of you know, prospect on and put away. You know I think there's some potential there. So yes I have sourced obviously the silver numbers. But again I think you start looking at Jamie's numbered stuff. So I found a couple of other cards.

53:53.40
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

54:02.55
Adz
Okay.

54:06.19
youcantcompthis
His fast break variant card out of prism fast break last sold for six usd so I'm going to just double down on this just for a second I really I like Jamie as a prospect and I love the variant cards. So in each fast break box. You get 1 rookie variant card.

54:11.21
Adz
Ah.

54:21.70
Adz
Yep.

54:25.96
youcantcompthis
And you've got the traditional one which is like the black curtain and they're doing an action shot and then this one is the more traditional them standing there holding a ball or just in like in a very sort of normal pose last year's one was east-west the horizontal cards. But this year they've gone back to the the vertical cards I I love these cards I think.

54:31.31
Adz
Yep.

54:34.67
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

54:45.77
youcantcompthis
In terms of something being a really good chase I would love to do a chase like that I think the problem is though that the wembby card to try and get that into your collection I Just don't think it's worth the outlay of what you'd be spending for the total set.

54:57.86
Adz
And.

55:04.52
Adz
To have it all? Yeah yeah.

55:05.33
youcantcompthis
And then like to have it if that makes sense. Yeah, so that's I'm I'm very conflicted in that in that sort of space to be honest at the moment because set chases can get really expensive really quickly particularly if there's thirty forty you know, 5100 cards and they're yeah.

55:20.39
Adz
What's that it's those last key chase cards that that nobody wants to part with or that are very popular. So yeah.

55:24.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

55:31.28
Adz
I Think yeah ha cares is ah, an interesting player for sure.

55:34.54
youcantcompthis
We didn't get a lot of social media responses on this but we did have a couple on Twitter actually so I think we should go through that because it's not every day that we get Twitter responses so this is from lasner sport jamie better team market more unique.

55:42.76
Adz
Yeah.

55:54.21
youcantcompthis
More popular in less time. That's an interesting take on that. Yeah.

55:58.13
Adz
Um, I get behind that? yep.

56:00.72
youcantcompthis
Right now this is gonna be a maybe a rant. So I think after 5 minutes if I'm still ranting just cut me off out. Okay, yeah, put the timer on so this is a story that emerged from Twitter and there's.

56:09.87
Adz
Stopwatch is gonna go I'll set a timer. Let's ah.

56:17.56
youcantcompthis
Multiple different sources on it but I got it from at Rob Underscore Mead O Hs and basically it's about a meet and greet that was organized in America people paid money to see Tom Brady and they also paid $3000 for a signature. The controversy is or where it's then led to is that fanatics I'm using air quotes have the exclusive rights to Tom Brady and they charge $4000 so people are now saying well. You're just trying to skirt around paying the $4000 you're paying the $3000 yeah so what people did was take you know, really expensive pieces of memorabilia like super bowl tickets from his first super bowl and touch down footballs that he threw in you know, really important games and the signature that he put on it is basically. So unreadable and unlike his other signatures. It's unlikely, it's going to pass any type of authentication or verification. So maybe if you had something that was valued at $60000 it's now not even worth that $60000 now this is very.

57:19.99
Adz
Yep.

57:27.85
Adz
Yep.

57:32.28
youcantcompthis
Similar story to what we heard from tyson a little while back slightly different circumstances. But at the same time. The flavor is like is very very similar. Yeah yeah, and so.

57:41.65
Adz
Yeah, it's very much up the same alley that we were we were talking with Tyson. Yeah.

57:51.70
youcantcompthis
When I first heard about what happened to Tyson my initial sort of finger pointing was at fanatics then the second time I hear this story you sort of need to say well who is actually the common thread here.

57:57.90
Adz
Yep.

58:06.69
youcantcompthis
And I'm now pointing my finger at Tom Brady like if he knows that this is a problem for his you know agreement with fanatics. Why is he you know agreeing to you know these events and then mix it in with the autograph and just making it a very complicated situation. So i'm.

58:17.75
Adz
Um, yeah.

58:22.10
Adz
Yeah, that's.

58:26.39
youcantcompthis
Actually think you know really the losers here are the collectors and Darren Rovell went online and made this video saying that oh it's the collectors who are at fault here and they should should have paid the four thousand dollars to fanatics and fanags wasn involved in this invent and all this type of stuff and I think that's I don't.

58:30.33
Adz
Yep.

58:44.86
youcantcompthis
Really think that's the correct context like I think if you pay someone $3000 it's not unreasonable to expect a Half -decent signature yeah

58:54.45
Adz
A great completely agreed like that's a lot of money for a signature.

59:00.12
youcantcompthis
It's yeah and particularly if you've put it onto something. That's you know, very valuable at the start I just think there's so many ways to get scammed in this hobby and I feel like this is just like another thing to add to the scam list like people not posting the tracking people posting in plain white envelopes people. You know, not having coin cards and selling. You know I mean now the next thing is going to a Tom Brady signatureture event and getting a memorilia ruined. It's just like another scam to to add to it.

59:25.41
Adz
Yep it. It's it suppose it's the darker side of the the hobby and and it's you're right? It's the it falls on the shoulders of fanatics to an extent. Because for for better use of a term. They're one of the the the key Regulators they are. They've got the contracts in place they own these autographs they like these players the rights to sign and the products that can be released, but there's got to be cut. Like got to be some responsibility placed on the player's shoulders like they know the impact they have.

01:00:03.26
youcantcompthis
At this point for me. The responsi is 100% with Brady like if it happens once I'll give the guy like a pass right? But like I find there was a miscommunication whatever happens twice. You can't tell me you don't know the situation. So that's where I sit with this.

01:00:09.79
Adz
Um, yeah, to yeah yeah.

01:00:19.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:22.79
youcantcompthis
So look. We've used Darren Marvel's content so much in the past and I'm going to go on record here I love what he does I don't have a problem with him with his new media company like I am not taking a dig at him for like one second but I do disagree with what he said about that. When he put his video up to try and defend the whole situation and so you know I would like to think that we're objective on this show that we tell both sides of the story. So you know I'm going to say publicly like Darren I I do not agree with like what your take was.

01:00:43.36
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:00.20
youcantcompthis
About that whole event and it's yeah.

01:01:01.88
Adz
And it's trying to to shift the the focus and I think there is a level of responsibility that should fall on on the shoulders of both fanatics. Yeah yes, that was good.

01:01:12.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right should we leave it at that we don't need to go more than 5 minutes on that. Do we? That's that's enough all right, great. Okay, so we're at the hour Mark. So what I suggest we do is finish the show on a very positive note.

01:01:20.16
Adz
We don't need to deep dive that war yet that I think that was ah, an appropriate amount of time that was very good.

01:01:32.70
Adz
Let's do it.

01:01:32.10
youcantcompthis
Now last week's show we touched on flawless and I don't think we talked about it enough and I don't think we talked about enough cards. So in the runsheet I've found 5 or 6 different cards. Not all of them are from this year's flawless but most of them are.

01:01:34.69
Adz
Yes.

01:01:51.79
youcantcompthis
So the first one is a lebron James Diamond card number to 5 sold for us 900 I actually really like that as a purchase the thing I don't like about it and I wanted to talk with you about is the diamonds. Why do they need to add a diamond. Into a flawless card.

01:02:12.00
Adz
Because Flawless is a grating of Diamond That's that's the but that's the play on words. That's that's what they're That's part of the shtick.

01:02:18.90
youcantcompthis
But do you know what? I mean? yeah.

01:02:29.40
youcantcompthis
Sure I just I think where I'm that's fine and you have put forward a very good point but where my head is I'm just like it's already a flawless basketball card. Why do you need to put a diamond into it like it's already amazing like.

01:02:31.19
Adz
That's that's the novelty is the yeah.

01:02:40.60
Adz
Ah.

01:02:43.89
Adz
Get hit.

01:02:48.15
youcantcompthis
To me I actually think it actually either devalues the Diamond or it devalues the card. That's how I feel about it.

01:02:53.00
Adz
Um, is there is there is it is the diamond in every card. Is it limited? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know.

01:02:57.95
youcantcompthis
No, no, not every card has a diamond that there's literally like diamond card sets. Basically yeah, would you buy that for 900 us do you think that's a goodbye. Okay I thought that was pretty good. Okay, like.

01:03:11.32
Adz
No I'm not I'm not I'm not a fan of the diamonds. So my question and I'm ah this is my Ocd kicking in the the set's called flawless and we all love getting cards graded if I sent that away.

01:03:17.76
youcantcompthis
Hit me? Yes, yep.

01:03:28.52
Adz
Um, looking at the Diamond in the circle at the moment I zoomed in I feel like the centering's slightly off I could be the angle but you know what I mean if the centering of the diamond is Off. Don't put a don't put a border around it I would have yeah anyway I would have slightly designed it differently so that it was. It looked flawless. But yeah, the diamonds in the cards are I think it's cool to have ah a flawless diamond in a flawless product like conceptually but it's just it's not my cup of tea I'm still on the.

01:03:47.00
youcantcompthis
Um, this is tweaking you hard man isn't it. You're like yeah.

01:03:56.48
youcantcompthis
Okay, yeah.

01:04:03.60
Adz
For for that I put that 900 us towards my Steph Curry from downtown.

01:04:06.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay flawless drafts dual Banchero Chet holggram I love this card double diamond though. So this is gonna tweak you and I'm just looking at the diamonds they're offcentered in that little circle ma so oh don't.

01:04:15.60
Adz
Double diamond.

01:04:24.50
Adz
Um, ah oh no, no, it's not even symmetrical and how they're offcented. Ah, um.

01:04:24.72
youcantcompthis
Avert your eyes. Yeah yeah.

01:04:32.49
youcantcompthis
Look I Love this card but at the same time ah splitting that up in a break. That's a nightmare. So basically you'd have to sell it or the other person have to buy the other person out. So yes, it's awesome card. Fantastic for your Pc But what a nightmare honestly.

01:04:47.89
Adz
I would yeah that would not be um, yeah I wouldn't want to be the 1 trying to split that for sure.

01:04:49.79
youcantcompthis
Right? Yeah, right now we're stepping back in time here. We're going to 1819 this is a horizontal rpa of Jaron Jackson jr 4 out of 5 on card autograph gamew 1 delicious looking patch there of the lettering of the grizzlies now um brought this one up for 2 reasons. Um, we're we're going to use this as a comp for the next card which is shade and sharp also to just to discuss the pricing on the verticals to the horizontals. There's often a 25% sometimes more decrease if you're buying a horizontal.

01:05:16.64
Adz
Okay.

01:05:25.79
Adz
Oh interesting. Okay, okay.

01:05:28.19
youcantcompthis
Compared to a vertical this one also too doesn't have the rookie logo on it and we've discussed this in the past about this. So that's just like another you know point of emphasis here. So I feel like with this very specific card. This is more for if you know you know.

01:05:36.00
Adz
Okay.

01:05:47.25
youcantcompthis
This is not for the sort of not that an average collector is going out buying flawless ah rpas but I I think this is like a very specific card for collectors to go out and buy because like you actually have to research that it actually is his rookie card. You can just look at that and be like oh yeah, that's a rookie card and then in addition to that. It's also the. Horizontal one too. So all right keeping that in mind so shade and sharp numbered to 10 also horizontal piece a nine. Yeah on card. Autograph.

01:06:12.80
Adz
Um, um with a rookie logo. Yeah.

01:06:25.35
youcantcompthis
Beautiful, beautiful 2 color patch. But it's got stripes through it does have the rookie logo in it as you just said sold for 2 Yeah, but it's there like I can work that out easier than the triple j right? Yeah, this sold for 2955 so um

01:06:31.72
Adz
It's hidden. It's hidden in the the header it exists as opposed to yeah that Wow that's a difference.

01:06:43.74
youcantcompthis
Right? So I think obviously the psa grading contributes to this a lot and I'd also say to the timing of the sale is you know a really big deal too. So you know I think if you look at these 2 purchases and you say well actually which is the more shrewd purchase I think the triple j is definitely.

01:06:49.24
Adz
Ah.

01:06:51.88
Adz
Of course.

01:07:01.92
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:02.61
youcantcompthis
Shrewdder 1 in terms of long term collectibility is shade and sharp gonna be more collectible than triple j I I think that's still to be determined to be honest I I think I mean we can make a prediction.

01:07:13.81
Adz
Yeah I don't think there's any way of determining that rate like and yeah, we can try and predict it collected or who's gonna probably probably Triple J actually.

01:07:20.90
youcantcompthis
Who would you who do you think is long term gonna be more collected shade and sharp or Triple j. Yeah, That's how I feel.

01:07:32.57
Adz
And don't think there's going to be eyes on Portland for a little while. So maybe yep.

01:07:36.46
youcantcompthis
And the last card of today's show is someone actually we've already touched on is a magic Johnson All Nba Inc on card autograph 6 out of 10 is sold for us two hundred and eleven dollars fifty so I I love this card I think it's an absolutely beautiful card.

01:07:52.94
Adz
Pure. It's It's amazing.

01:07:56.27
youcantcompthis
I Think the price is right I wouldn't expect to potentially flip that to make money out of it. But it's a liquid card so you'll always be at a salad if you do need to love the design. Love the low numbering. He's got a beautiful autograph I think that's the perfect way to end the show.

01:08:02.72
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:12.46
Adz
Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's flawless. That's probably adds value not having a diamond Anyway, final thoughts I think there'll be some very interesting. Ah.

01:08:16.82
youcantcompthis
Doesn't have a diamond but that's okay.

01:08:23.65
youcantcompthis
Ah, final thoughts. Add.

01:08:30.27
Adz
Playoff stuff happening over the next couple of weeks and we're gonna lot. We're gonna have a lot to discuss. It's gonna be good card Ladder keep bringing us the the verses series with playoff Teams I Love it.

01:08:30.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

01:08:41.35
youcantcompthis
We yeah, we could probably beg some of our own to be fair. But yeah, we can absolutely lean into card ladder. That's that's totally fine. Thanks everyone for listening thanks for tuning in. We really appreciate your support and we hope you enjoyed today's show

01:08:46.20
Adz
Yeah, yeah, awesome.

01:08:53.97
Adz
Um, yeah, and see you next week