You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast

Episode 145: Jordan Fleer vs Star, GemRate Iconic Cards, All NBA, Anthony Edwards, Luka Doncic, PMG

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00:10.42
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 145 of the you can comp this and Nba trading card podcast. We are your host Adam amian Russell Gibson in the heat of the west and eastern conference finals.

00:27.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I'm really good mate I'm actually really pumped up for this show I think the last couple of weeks. We've had some good og original content plus all the basketball's been going on. So it's yeah I've been really enjoying the last few weeks

00:28.86
Adz
How are we today.

00:35.11
Adz
Some high octane high octane basketball happening. It's it's for yeah.

00:45.42
youcantcompthis
Hanging out talking cards with you and I think this week's going to be exactly the same. So um, last week we had a lot of stuff left over at the bottom of the sheet. So I feel like we could almost do two shows this week. We got so much stuff happening.

00:58.42
Adz
Yeah, there's a look but ah it must be this time a year.

01:00.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's it. It's just absolutely pumping. So let's just get straight into it ads. Let's do this look I think the biggest thing that's been city on my mind this week is this huge sale of the Jordan Rookie card the 1984 star

01:03.18
Adz
Okay, it's gets ready. Any Big news.

01:19.30
Adz
Yep.

01:19.80
youcantcompthis
Was sold for in a private sale for nine hundred and twenty five thousand dollars the sale was verified through Darren rovel and the clicked I hope I said that appropriately media and then also through the acquired dot code site. So.

01:33.90
Adz
Um, yeah.

01:36.99
youcantcompthis
Population 3 on this psa nine and then I think for me what this started in my own head was this debate between the 1984 star and the 1986 Fleer which most people would consider the 1986 Fleer to be the. True rookie card or I'm using air quotes now and I'm not trying to trigger people I'm just trying to create conversation and you know which is the more iconic you know which one is the one that you'd prefer. So I think I'm gonna turn that straight over to you ad where do you sit on this side of the fence are you with the 1984 star are you with the 86 Fleer.

01:56.20
Adz
Ah.

02:11.62
Adz
I think I've been I've been back and forth on this quite a bit. It's um ah I agree with a lot of the cases for the star being the actual rookie card because it's a 1984 card

02:13.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

02:29.90
Adz
Like it's eighty four eighty five it's not eighty six eighty five eighty six do you know like it's and then you talk about licensed unlicensed product I don't know i.

02:31.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

02:42.34
youcantcompthis
So and just to go on from that too So technically Star did have the license at that time and I think this is where a lot of the debate and and I'm not saying misinformation but people's perceptions of the card. You know do vary because.

02:47.49
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

02:55.54
Adz
E.

02:59.47
youcantcompthis
Reading through. There's a lot of information out there and actually this is a perfect time to segue into that. So what I did do was I put up a post on our own social media pages. But I also put one onto sports cards nonsense. So sports cards are nonsense Jesse Mike thank you so much and all the admin for letting us put that.

03:07.16
Adz
Yes.

03:18.82
youcantcompthis
Post up. We really appreciate it because you know you have 200000 members and the amount of people in comments on there was just absolutely huge and it's very informative too and I think also too sometimes that page can be not respectful, but what I observed on that post and I think that was a little bit of luck. It also could have been moderation.

03:26.71
Adz
Oh.

03:35.96
Adz
Yeah.

03:38.10
youcantcompthis
People were very respectful and went back and forth and sort of you know, fleshed it out a bit so to talk about that you know specifically so that's one of my takeaways. So I think one of the successes or failures of a card or a product and this is probably what we're seeing between panini and fanatics at the moment now too is the differences in distribution Methods. So. A strong argument can be made that one of the failures for that star card was distribution so it was essentially you had to fill out like a mailing form and purchase it through mail or you had to get it at a local Arena or local establishment. So I think that's for me a really interesting part of that card.

04:00.35
Adz
Yeah.

04:10.30
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

04:15.32
youcantcompthis
Actually it was licensed dad and that's maybe a misconception of what sometimes people think you know is that it's you know it's unlicensed which is a fun debate in itself I think also too or you know discussion in itself and then I think maybe I missed a little bit here with cost too. So.

04:15.50
Adz
Yeah, that's the thing like it's yeah.

04:32.47
youcantcompthis
The star psa nine sold for nine hundred and twenty Seven k for relativelativity relativity the psa nineleer last sale was $17000 and the psa 10 is 1 68 so I think in terms of where people are putting their money into and.

04:41.39
Adz
Wow.

04:50.31
youcantcompthis
What the people want well clearly what the people want is the star card and what they're happy to pay for I Think at the end of the day. The what's driving up this price at such a different level is the the rarity of it. There's so many less graded at that.

04:56.86
Adz
That's.

05:08.50
youcantcompthis
Higher level compared to the Fleer. So I think that's a big part of it and we do talk about population quite regularly on the show when we're talking about you know the ultra ultra modern stuff with you know the Luca the luca rookies the zion rookies the jar at al at l and so.

05:10.72
Adz
Yep.

05:14.13
Adz
We do h.

05:21.91
Adz
Yeah.

05:25.26
youcantcompthis
And I think the last thing that really has influenced people's decision on which card they prefer is the aesthetics of the card and I think that's something that we talk about also too is what cards look good. You know I think the easiest one that comes to my head. That's a good cheap car is the baby Kabooma we've been.

05:35.33
Adz
Yeah.

05:43.14
youcantcompthis
<unk>ve been flogging that bandwagon for a little while too and that really influences people in terms of what do they want from a car and you know they look at the star card and say it looks like dog shits I don't want that card I want this iconic jumpman card which is the eighty six flier and you know I think that is also the really.

05:43.95
Adz
True.

06:02.59
youcantcompthis
Fun part of this hobby. You know that's right, this's hundred and twenty people in this conversation and there's that's right? yeah.

06:02.70
Adz
Yeah, that's true. Oh and that's but it's healthy debate isn't it. Yeah, there's over three hundred comments on the the sports card nonsense one like and it and it's it's interesting. It's back and forth. It's not. It's not.

06:19.90
youcantcompthis
The division That's right and the division between the voting is actually not as far as away as what you'd imagine. So I personally and this is also where it gets a little bit tricky too because I tried to write the post in terms of being very.

06:20.77
Adz
No animosity.

06:27.20
Adz
He.

06:38.89
youcantcompthis
Open ended. So the question that was asked was.

06:44.35
Adz
Was it was very simple wasn't it. It was it was hang on.

06:47.51
youcantcompthis
Simple question, Fleer or star and where it gets a little bit complicated is people do factor in all sorts of different things when you know when they're bringing through their answer. So I think if you have to say one or the other I'm going for the Fleer I think that is the card that I prefer and if people.

07:02.10
Adz
Move on.

07:05.77
youcantcompthis
Differ on their opinion from me just because they say well actually it's not the rookie card. That's totally fine like I actually don't disagree with that. But I I prefer and I covet that card. You know a lot more than the star card. Um, then the other thing that comes to my mind to kind of be honest with you is.

07:25.59
youcantcompthis
And again this is very subjective and this is I'll even use the word allegedly here just so I'm covering myself entirely I think there is a little bit of back and forth on this in terms of the cards that were printed and were supposed to be discarded and then were ended up being sold.

07:30.30
Adz
Yeah.

07:41.49
youcantcompthis
Printing plates are still in existence. There's all these different print runs of the card and I think people who are very experienced within the hobby can easily tell them apart. But I think if you're someone like me who I love Jordan I love basketball but I would never tell everyone that I'm an ah expert on this I'll never tell you that either. And so for me, it's not that obvious kind of be honest with you that that you know that's actually the case and so now being fair to the Fleer Card this is the most counterfeited card. Basically in you know sports card's history. So it's not like either card you know comes without its problems. But.

08:01.64
Adz
Yeah.

08:13.54
Adz
Yeah.

08:19.58
youcantcompthis
I think this is where I'm going to you know firmly plant my feed on this I wouldn't touch this anything other than psa because if you're going to be spending even greater than in my head probably $300 that's probably where my sort of you know, risk profile lies at this stage.

08:26.43
Adz
A great.

08:34.48
Adz
The air.

08:38.60
youcantcompthis
If I'm spending more than $300 I want that money back guarantee I want that assuredty that. Okay, if it's fake or then great I'm going to get my cash back from Psa Bgs is is not doing that and there's a really fantastic and fun one I'm going to talk to you later on the show about this. That's exactly that you know scenario playing out. So.

08:44.66
Adz
Yeah.

08:56.22
Adz
Um, yeah God Um look I read through some of the comments and I one of the top comments was very simple. Um.

08:57.54
youcantcompthis
I'm looking forward to chatting with you about that one too. So Should we talk about the final scores or do you want to add something to that little diatribe of. Yeah.

09:11.56
Adz
The the eighty six is an iconic card when anybody talk people recognize that card as the Jordan rookie because it's always had that reputation right? That said that.

09:13.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, aesthetically iconic. Yeah yeah.

09:23.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

09:29.50
Adz
There's a case that the star is and.

09:29.95
youcantcompthis
So where I lay on that now is that I don't view it as the rookie card anymore I just view that as Jordan's most iconic card and that's probably where my head has changed a little bit after reading through all this stuff. Do you know what? I mean but despite that I'm still choosing to Fleer because.

09:41.43
Adz
Um, oh.

09:49.80
youcantcompthis
Aesthetically I Just think that is a much nicer card and something that I would prefer to have into my collection.

09:51.72
Adz
Were there multiple cards in this run from nine in 84

09:56.22
youcantcompthis
So in that set there's there's different sets essentially like you know an insert and then after that there was different runs of that card printed exactly the same but that are not considered to be.

10:05.76
Adz
Yeah e.

10:12.82
youcantcompthis
The rookie card but that's the one I was referring to before and that someone like me that has you know, very limited knowledge or relatively limited knowledge on this if you show me the 2 cards I might not be able to differentiate between the 2 whereas someone who's expert can say very quickly very clearly. This is the the true rookie this is the.

10:13.95
Adz
Yeah.

10:25.86
Adz
Can yeah yeah, yeah, undoubtedly, that's a massive sale though like you look at the the last old data on on the and I've got the card ladder stuff up for those playing at home. But.

10:32.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

10:45.65
Adz
If you go to the bgs 9.5 that hasn't been sold since 2015 that's also got a pop count of 3 and that sale back then was 52000 that's almost ten years ago yet none the star was sold in February Two Thousand and fifteen

10:54.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you're talking about the Fleer. Yeah yeah, so I think it's pretty safe to say that that would have have appreciated quite nicely in that time.

11:05.29
Adz
Fifty two and a half thousand dollars pop

11:13.55
Adz
I I tend to agree tend to agree. Um, but it's interesting that the the pop count being 3 is very important there.

11:23.30
youcantcompthis
Extremely important. So my recollection about all of this through covid was that people were speculating that the 86 Fleer was going to be a million dollar card at 1 point.

11:34.18
Adz
We spoke about this like literally is what it's 1 of the first episodes we did I think because that was part of the the luba manifesto that sort of fanatics were coming out and yeah making cardbook card cards. Great again.

11:39.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

11:47.37
youcantcompthis
Yep.

11:52.71
youcantcompthis
And if you go to the old time stats on the 86 Fleer and um again I'm saying allegedly there was allegedly investment groups led by celebrities. So like Marky Mark I believe Bill Simmons was in this investment group I believe kd got caught up in this too and they were sort of like.

11:53.75
Adz
Oh.

12:06.81
Adz
And.

12:10.73
youcantcompthis
Basically bidding against each other and rising that price up so that's six hundred us thousand plus dollar sale was all during that sort of crazy cover time and again when people speculating out that that card was going to be a million bucks so so realistically

12:16.58
Adz
Yeah.

12:24.99
Adz
612 k february yeah February Twenty one

12:30.70
youcantcompthis
I think the bet that they made wrong was that they basically bet on the wrong card I think it's really obvious to me now that the star card is going to be the million dollar Jordan rookie card. Obviously we've had other jordan cards that have gone you know much higher I think the other thing that we should just.

12:39.56
Adz
A yeah.

12:47.76
youcantcompthis
Touched on a little bit too is that you know my feeling about this card is ah I Just don't see the value in it because of the the print run I've said this before so I'm just repeating myself again. The print run the possibility for it to be fraudulent or cut, etc, etc.

13:06.80
youcantcompthis
Doesn't have a patch in it doesn't have an autograph on it. It's literally you know 1986 cardboard and so I'd love to speak to someone like a huge mj collector and say why don't you buy these handover fist. You know why are you buying his patch autograph stuff.

13:07.63
Adz
Just the card.

13:24.70
youcantcompthis
Because actually I wonder in the long term if you know we're we're talking about this and it's getting a lot of shine and all that type of stuff. But then people in the background are just sitting there just snapping up these you know, delicious patch autographs of Jordan that he's never signing again. I I think is that I don't think that's even controversial to say.

13:40.58
Adz
I Can't imagine he would be like yeah if well he's a gambler I'm kidding. He's a billionaire. There's no, there's no, there's no reason like.

13:43.27
youcantcompthis
What is the scenario that plays out that he signs again in you know, Official nbo.

13:55.60
youcantcompthis
I Don't I reckon a guy like that with that much money he wouldn't even be signing his own name. He would have a handler that would be signing off his document. You know what I mean he'd He'd have some I like a full time lawyer just sitting there at is anytime he texts him.

14:04.22
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's so you're you're you're trying to ask what? What would the what's the motivation what would motivate this guy to sign some cards to take some time out of his day. To sign some cards. Imagine imagine it just imagine and look I'd love this to happen if he could snag a deal with Tyson Beck

14:23.67
youcantcompthis
Tis Not worth his time.

14:37.84
youcantcompthis
Think Tyson would probably go bored to be honest, if he did get that deal.

14:44.31
Adz
Tyson had faint. Let's be real. Ah.

14:49.54
youcantcompthis
Already. So I was tempted to use the drum roll again. But I don't want to overuse this? Um, this sound effect. So the results were 52 for Fleer and 60 for start now if someone counts differently to me that's fine I don't have a problem with that because there's a few.

15:00.14
Adz
Yep, yeah.

15:06.23
youcantcompthis
People went on these huge elaborate comments and I couldn't even work out who they were votinging for so I just admittedted those and on our own page. Yeah, you could have an opinion and and you could vote but you couldn't you couldn't be murky about it. So I was like right then on our own page. It was 6 plus 6

15:11.92
Adz
So Unless it was a clear unless there was a clear. Yeah, okay. Draw your line in the Sand. Yep.

15:25.39
youcantcompthis
So the final score was 66 to start and 58 to the Fleer. So you know our winner. Yeah.

15:29.00
Adz
So that the star.

15:36.57
Adz
That's ah that surprises me that surprises me Maybe that's but that's a sign of the recognition. This card is getting now I think over the last couple of years. It has got traction and there has been a lot Of. Shift.

15:54.12
youcantcompthis
So I think what I was trying to you know, really achieve here was get some sample size. Get some validity to you know what? we're talking about I still think you know it's better than 12 votes obviously but at the same time too. It's relatively small sample size because I think the people who would be voting on that are a different type of fan that.

16:02.12
Adz
Ah.

16:05.78
Adz
Yeah.

16:13.94
youcantcompthis
Might perhaps view that the 86 is more iconic. So maybe the casual fan is the person who views that as more or the investment groups. You know, think that's what is what whereas you know, true hardcore people who are you know loving it. Love the hobby etc etc. So anyway look I think that's a good place to leave it.

16:13.98
Adz
Oh.

16:23.61
Adz
Yeah.

16:33.83
youcantcompthis
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18:04.41
youcantcompthis
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18:09.91
Adz
Okay, 1

18:24.28
youcantcompthis
We are back and this next segment is from our friend Ryan from gemrate and we're going to listen to a clip from Ryan he's going to be talking to us about a segment to be fair, he actually did this probably two and a half three weeks ago part of that was Ryan was a little bit slow to reply to me. And part of that was that I forgot to put into the run sheet last week so you know a little bit my fault a little bit of Ryan's fault like let's be fair, let's we need to share the blame on this one Ryan Epopcorn have a listen to what Ryan's got to say look he's a really smart dude. So if you don't understand it all. You're in my boat.

18:45.55
Adz
Ah, a little bit of both little bit of both I'll sit back and eat popcorn.

19:00.98
youcantcompthis
I probably understand about 50% of what Ryan says he's a smart guy but look what he's going to be talking about is his iconic tracker which is something that he's basically come up with.

19:01.82
Adz
A year

19:12.42
youcantcompthis
Each month he focused on different cards that have come through the grading and he's going to break it down for us and then we're going to reply back to him in live real time. So enjoy.

25:19.91
youcantcompthis
Well thank you for that Ryan we really appreciate contributing to the show and all your contributions to the hobby Ryan you really are an asset to the community. Where do you want to start ad I'll let you kick this one off.

25:34.22
Adz
There are just numbers just rolling through my head right now I'm I'm actually looking at the at the at the tracker I went through I've I filtered at 5 basketball cards only trying to follow it for what he. But what Ryan was talking about about looking at the trends and well.

25:37.79
youcantcompthis
Okay.

25:52.95
Adz
Not looking at the trend so much. But yeah, like oh you can actually do it Miss Common Grade you could pop it out to a new thing to hash. Can you come on Iconic Tracker notes to consider.

26:13.51
Adz
Ah know that's specific notes on on specific on the okay I couldn't I can view her. It's actually got a link to the card Ladder feed.

26:26.74
youcantcompthis
Beautiful.

26:30.33
Adz
Um.

26:34.16
Adz
Okay, so it shows I'm looking at the the Julius Irving but then it it'll yeah it bring it brings it straight to the card ladder data if you if you're in the if you're so inclined to jump on to to Gymm rate.

26:40.45
youcantcompthis
Okay, we will talk about that.

26:51.68
Adz
And have a play that's that that iconic tracker sort of you can deep dive it. There's a lot of small font there. So if Ryan if you want to know where the popouts where the things to pop out to maybe increase the font size I don't know.

27:01.71
youcantcompthis
So I think the pros of what Ryan is doing is the data. He's collecting I think the consar is navigating it all. So I love these posts because it's literally someone explaining it to you and that's why I've been like really asking Ryan let you know send someone this in so this is awesome. So these are my.

27:13.44
Adz
So yeah.

27:20.79
youcantcompthis
Takeaways from what Ryan said so he explained share trend really? well so there's 2 parts of the share trend 1 is population weighted and where that's impactful is the most easy example is the 1986 Jordan because there's lots of those cards being graded the equal weighted part is when every card is then just.

27:22.25
Adz
Okay, well.

27:34.46
Adz
Yep.

27:38.60
youcantcompthis
Participates equally so he explained that really well the things that I found really interesting was the 1986 Mj which is up 11% in March and we've just been talking about that card. So despite the fact that star is number 1 again you know.

27:39.80
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

27:55.15
youcantcompthis
I can't even say the people's choice is the Fleer card but there is still a lot of love for this card and you know it's a very liquid cut. Yeah different purposes different audiences. You know it's like a prism base or a silver you know this is the one that is very liquid and it's moving around.

27:58.46
Adz
I Think they do, there's different purposes This did. Yeah.

28:08.13
Adz
Oh.

28:10.75
youcantcompthis
I really like that Kar Rookie Cards are up 32% because I actually think that he's an undervalued underappreciated you know part of our hobby. So that's interesting for me in that you know that's something going on and then the 72 Dr J rookie that to me is quite fascinating because that almost fits the narrative. In my head that sgc is all about vintage but where it doesn't fit in my head is the psa battle because I would have thought people would be wanting to take them across so Ryan was talking about yarnises and crossovers I wonder if they're being crossed over from so they're being tried at psa first.

28:39.47
Adz
Maybe.

28:48.73
youcantcompthis
Okay, no, not good enough grade flip them over to sgc see what they've got to say over there because I think the relative the relative cost of doing that and also with vintage people still do like sgc I don't think that's going to impact the price too much I think actually it's you know, worth the risk getting it across so.

28:55.34
Adz
Ooh. Okay.

29:08.43
youcantcompthis
And then Ryan's you know, really good insights on yanis I don't really need to repeat that but I will you know he suspects their crossovers I love those insights from from Brian so final thoughts on this one mate. What have you got? yeah.

29:16.59
Adz
Yeah, so much to go through. Um I I don't I don't go through gem rate anywhere near as much as I should But if you really want to deep dive data on a card. This is this is where you go.

29:31.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

29:34.51
Adz
And um, yeah, Brian's done some amazing work and it's just it's really got this such a broad range of information that is condensed and sort of laid out for you to to play with. However, you want to understand cards. In in ways that that I don't think as an individual It's easy to do and this is all the information's here in 1 spot. So yeah, now this is amazing and it's all where you always find something something curious about about a card that. May not grade particularly well in a certain way or or yeah, you can find opportunities I think is the is the is the message I get.

30:29.58
Adz
Ah, Russell I cannot hear you a.

30:31.75
youcantcompthis
So what we should do is is have a break and then we'll come back and we'll talk all Nba teams sounds fantastic. We are back. Thank you everyone for coming back. We hope you enjoyed the break and some tunes.

30:38.59
Adz
Sounds good.

30:50.82
youcantcompthis
Adam Let's talk all Nba team so all Nba first team luca shay Tatum Yanis Joker second team Jaylen Brunson ant man Kevin Durant Anthony Davis bit of a surprise for me quite Leonard also a surprise for me. Third team Steph Curry Bits Stiffff there Devin Booker halliburton lebron james demonte sobonus adam what is your biggest winner out of this group. Yeah.

31:16.88
Adz
Biggest winner. Ah I think Anthony Edwards on the second team that's pretty it's pretty impressive he did have a very good season but like with we're talking he beat out people like booker and curry. You know what? I mean? Yeah, yeah.

31:22.22
youcantcompthis
Okay.

31:29.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah, specifically Kari that's the one. Yeah.

31:34.46
Adz
Yeah, and um, um, at Hallibur too like as far as guards go like Wow that's impressive.

31:38.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's actually that's my answer is Halliburton because for 2 reasons small market. He's had a massive impact to be named onto that I do wonder some of these commentators don't even know who the indiana paces are to be honest, like that they're on national tv and they're an Mba team.

31:48.20
Adz
Yeah, 1

31:54.32
Adz
Um, no, ah sweet um Deant demonte A bonus though like it. Yeah, he doesn't get.

31:58.80
youcantcompthis
So that's to me really good also too from his financial standpoint. He now gets a massive bonus so congratulations on the extra cash brother. What.

32:11.61
Adz
The love he deserves I honestly he seems to get snubbed in a lot of things and it's nice to see him actually sneak into the 13 there. Yeah.

32:16.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no could definitely congratulations and he look. He's played really well this year and a massive part but you know what I'm going to say I think he should have been left off and Fox should have been on there but that you know like whatevers. Ah, that's it.

32:30.22
Adz
Ah, 1 king for another King Sacramento gets there get there gets their representation. Biggest losers you mean snubs? Yeah yeah, maybe.

32:35.32
youcantcompthis
Ah, that's it yeah ah, biggest losers. What have you got? yeah for me Steph Curry for me definitely. But I just feel as though.

32:48.90
Adz
But Brunson and Brunson and Edwards did pretty damn well who makes the second team then.

32:54.72
youcantcompthis
In my head. The hierarchy is still that Steph should be first team and someone should be knocking him off and so for him to be knocked off to third team. That's where I'm kind of a bit you know is that right? particularly with quite Leonard in the second team like I that doesn't sit well with me. Yeah.

33:11.16
Adz
Kawa is a bit of it. Yeah Kaai is a bit of ah a Surprise K d.

33:14.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but I actually thought Katie had a good year this year. Well second team all in me, right.

33:19.52
Adz
How good is the question though. Yeah yeah, do you think? Davis over Lebron is the is a narrative of sorts with the lakers because I think Lebron had a great season. But. Think Anthony Davis is the reason the lakers made the playoffs.

33:39.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look I actually think that's more of ah a connoisseur thing where if you were watching the lakers you know game in and gay. You know if you watch 40 or 45 games of the lakers. You would understand that and it's not even a thing. So I think that's the type of thing where obviously you know people have gotten it right? look.

33:44.96
Adz
Oh.

33:50.39
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

33:57.80
youcantcompthis
I'm not going to lie to you I didn't watch 45 games of Lakers this year not close.

33:59.13
Adz
Do you know? do you know who played more that played more than 45 games of Lakers this year Anthony Davis this is his best season. statistically this is his best season he's been healthy. Yeah yep, yeah.

34:06.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and he was making that that big hooha about defensively too. So all right? Why don't we pick a play each from these 15 players and talk about some card values add because look at the end of the day.

34:17.59
Adz
And I think I think it's well deserved. But yeah.

34:26.31
youcantcompthis
That's what we're really here for I think yeah good one do a D Yeah great and I'm pretty sure you know who I'm goingnna do I'm gonna do tyres halibur.

34:28.39
Adz
Well I'll pick a d just because why not where are we let's go to card Letter Lebron yeah ah I thought you were gonna do demonsy bonus.

34:44.92
youcantcompthis
I mean I could but.

34:51.38
Adz
That wouldn't be very entertaining. Ah all right Antony Davis there we go.

35:02.93
Adz
I'm not going to go all time data. Let's look at the maybe the last year of data for the a d rookie Anthony Davis silver prism psa 10 last sold for $1425

35:17.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? yeah.

35:19.34
Adz
It has a population of 33 which I think is a pretty low population. Um is actually down almost 50% on the last twelve months so yeah

35:32.70
youcantcompthis
Okay.

35:38.92
Adz
Bit of a bit of a a drop in in Anthony Davis's value in the last twelve months

35:43.62
youcantcompthis
Buy hold or sell for you add. Yeah.

35:50.28
Adz
It's tempting to buy at that price for me, it's it's potential for a buy. But I don't know e.

35:54.58
youcantcompthis
Are you worried that you'd be buying it when he's playing well and he's healthy and then he's gonna get injured and then.

36:01.28
Adz
Well, this is the first time he's played like over 70 games kind of thing and put in a bit a great effort. Do you see that again next year do you go back to the old Anthony Davis who's out for half the season and can never get. Yeah.

36:13.48
youcantcompthis
Particularly when there's teams lining up to Draft Lebron's son so that Lebron will join them and then where does that leave Anthony Davis

36:16.99
Adz
Well, there was a comment made during the broadcast this weekend Rich Paul let it slip that Lebron's a free agent. They're basic like I think rich Paul leaked that.

36:27.42
youcantcompthis
So he hasn't picked up his player option.

36:35.50
Adz
Lebron is not resigning so he's opting out so he will be a free agent and yeah.

36:38.35
youcantcompthis
Sure, okay, well great. How many teams have got cabspace to the 76 s and 1

36:48.10
Adz
Then Atlanta I'll pick him up on a veteran deal use the number 1 pick to draft Bronnie and.

36:53.51
youcantcompthis
No way he's signing for Venom a man.

37:01.14
Adz
Ah, ah goodness. Yes, he just wants to be in the spotlight doesn't he.

37:01.63
youcantcompthis
So I love all these managers agents leaking stories to you know, try and drive the narrative they love I Love all that stuff I bet you he hasn't even declined his option. Yeah, right? It's just.

37:15.59
Adz
Not yet like let's see how the public react to this? Yeah yeah, um I wouldn't be selling my ads if they'd drop like this would be my like if I have them I'd hold them.

37:20.95
youcantcompthis
That's right? Yeah yeah.

37:25.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

37:31.20
Adz
If I don't have if I wanted one now'd be an okay time to buy 1400 for and it's a pop steady very steady over the last three months no the last six months. It's been is down 10%

37:37.41
youcantcompthis
What's the trend The last three months I'd okay so he hasn't gone up. He hasn't gone down. Yeah okay, cool right? Okay so you can make a pretty strong argument. This is almost his his flaw now.

37:52.70
Adz
yeah yeah yeah I mean it every time it's dropped. It's dropped into a similar bucket. This is the lowest. It's been in a while 13 or 1400 so it used to sit up in around that um that 2 to 3 k mark.

37:53.37
youcantcompthis
Okay.

37:57.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

38:04.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

38:07.13
Adz
So all time highest that sold for was I let forget the covid crazy time in 2021 where it sold for twenty four and a half thousand dollars yes

38:14.77
youcantcompthis
Twenty four and a half thousand

38:24.24
youcantcompthis
I'm shaking my head for people at home that can't see my face right now. What were these people thinking So as we all were bored and had Covid and.

38:24.61
Adz
Ah, yeah, yeah, 24 k March Twelfth 2021 yep and then may twenty Third so literally like three years ago

38:41.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right, Do you ever see those numbers and go Actually this is a really good deal because of how much it's gone down despite the fact it still might not be a good deal.

38:42.14
Adz
Eight Thousand six hundred

38:51.28
Adz
I Look at the other sides of the mountain to see where where it sat and know if I if I ever have one of these there I've I've got a kobe rookie that did something similar and I'm like as much as I love that card I there are times I wish I'd sold it at that point.

38:55.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:00.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:07.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right I'm doing halliburton now there's a reasons why I'm doing Halliburton he was drafted by the Kings I like the Kings I'm holding some Haliburton that's no secret. The other reason why I like him too is because I find him very.

39:11.80
Adz
Yeah.

39:25.84
youcantcompthis
Divisive. So for example, if you compare him to Anthony Edwards Anthony Edwards is all dunks and scoring and swagger and trash talk halliburton's a really broken but effective junk shot not above the ring. He's below the rim. He's very intelligent. He's very well-spoken he doesn't trash talk. You know they're so different so that plays into my mind too should I just be buying into somebody who's all the hype and you know not the skill but I do like the skilled guys now. The other reason I'm a little bit divided on this too is the price. So at the moment. He's pretty much an all-time high.

39:43.64
Adz
Very very much. So.

40:00.22
youcantcompthis
His last sale is is a straight upward line that could be just a 1 ne-off it could be the new trend but I suspect. It's a 1 ne-off and it's going to come back down last sale was four eighty five all time highs 510 in my head. The 350 price is probably where I'd be. Liking to be buying this and before that actually it was sitting around the three fifteen um four eighty five market was sort of fluctuating up and down a little bit there but look I think in terms of long term being like a high end prospect. You know this year you might actually argue that it is. You know, two or three years ahead of time where he should be so that will be your future prices argument and they've been very fortuitous in terms of their playoff seating and then bracket and then also injuries. But at the same time too. You know this has been amazing because now he's getting a lot of people you know, watch this guy play and and he's been really good.

40:39.70
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

40:48.58
Adz
Yep.

40:54.52
Adz
I didn't watch him play at a because he was out but.

40:56.52
youcantcompthis
Look. He's had some moments sure and look. He's probably not going to come back these playoffs ah I would suspect. He's cooked now but you know he's had his moments of being you know, pretty bad but he's also had his moments too of just being you know, breathtaking and 100% of his skills have been on display. So.

41:10.63
Adz
Ah, yeah, fish. Definitely yep.

41:14.30
youcantcompthis
You know I like this kid a lot and this is probably something that you know I'm just going to keep watching at this stage I personally think this is a sell for me at this point or a hold probably not being a buy yet. But you know the other thing that's also in my mind too is a little bit was all that stuff. We said about Anthony Edwards we were like don't buy this now. But then you know what did it spike up to you know like.

41:21.81
Adz
The.

41:31.50
Adz
Yeah.

41:33.56
youcantcompthis
1 3 do I think it's going to go to 1 3 probably not. But you know that's so in the back of my mind there so nuggets and wolves we haven't spoken about this since the last podcast so it was an absolute game 7 classic if you haven't seen it yet. Get onto league pass get on to whatever alleged. Illegal streaming service that you use. That's not league pass if you don't have league pass. It was an absolute classic if you're short on time watch from sort of halfway through the third quarter through to the fourth quarter. It's just it's just amazing tv it says all the reasons why I love sports and I love the nbas because. The nuggets were winning by 20 and the wolves come back and just blew them off the floor. It was just a breathtaking display of of power I think is is the right word. So.

42:15.97
Adz
It was it was yeah yeah, yeah, they willed it. They willed it. Um, it was the will to win. It was a team effort too like it wasn't just Anthony Edwards it was it was everyone it was Rudy go bear with jump like fade away jump shots like what.

42:22.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

42:32.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

42:33.73
Adz
What's going on. Um, yeah, it was a good team effort from the wolves and it I don't know it was it was surprising like I thought they were capable of it but until it actually happened. It was like really the nuggets are gonna get dethroned.

42:48.63
youcantcompthis
I was shocked I'm not I wouldn't even say I was surprised I was shocked I genuinely thought that the nuggets had this in the bag I'm like this is where they wanted it. You know back in Denver game 7 They've overcome this 2 o ah deficit. You know they've regained the series. Yeah, you know ah look.

42:57.52
Adz
Yeah yep, bang.

43:08.00
youcantcompthis
I'm still a bit shocked to be honest that they're not not playing anymore. So but at the same time too. The better team won so congratulations to the wolves you know, really well-deserved. They've got a great team and actually they actually I don't need to stay dare I say it.

43:14.42
Adz
A great. Um.

43:23.25
youcantcompthis
I Enjoy watching them play now. They've actually grown on me quite a lot and I was wrong about their team construction. Yeah, so yeah.

43:26.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it was very very, um, they are an entertaining bunch. Yeah yeah, can I can I just quickly jump in on the just a quick cause it's a week to week thing at the moment with Anthony Edwards um I've got the two weeks data

43:36.42
youcantcompthis
Totally yeah, hit me. Okay, kind of holding in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:40.29
Adz
For edwards his last sole price is a thousand and twenty nine dollars so he's he's at a thousand at the moment so he did he was dropped to the eleven twelve hundred last week from sixteen the week before so where where yeah.

43:56.40
youcantcompthis
Okay.

43:58.32
Adz
I think we're with the the this we're at the the stabilizing bit that thousand dollar card so yep

44:01.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. Okay, great. So it's now a thousand dollars card you know all you guys are buying them up for three hundred five hundred bucks congratulations you've done very well for yourself card ladder headlines noteworthy sports card in the hobby Anthony Edwards 2020 penini prism fast break bronze PSA 10

44:09.30
Adz
Yeah.

44:21.37
youcantcompthis
Last sold for 10500 again we're talking massive price points here I love this a hundred times more than the silver PSA 10 I know it's a very different price point. But at the same time anything. It's numbered to 20 but it's not exponentially higher than.

44:31.87
Adz
Oh.

44:40.78
youcantcompthis
Other card that we've just been talking about I think that's a really really really good purchase despite the fact that they're buying it in a boom you know I Still think that's going to hold out really well long-term so huge congratulations on that all right I Think what we should do is go to our next break ad.

44:49.80
Adz
Yeah.

44:57.69
youcantcompthis
And then when we come back, We'll talk more wolves we'll talk about the wolves versus the maves because we've had some awesome games. Yeah yeah, alrighty we have got a new sponsor supporting the show and actually they're a name that you'll be very very familiar with it is the Hobby hangout. So.

44:57.87
Adz
Yep.

45:02.56
Adz
Some stuff's happening there for sure.

45:15.41
Adz
Well, they've they they've sponsored us before they're back.

45:17.51
youcantcompthis
Thank you very much. They absolutely have sponsored us before sydney hobby hangout the sixteenth of June at the roundhouse enzac parade in Kensington eleven a m to four thirty p m.

45:40.60
youcantcompthis
Sorry have to put a footnote into this and um, fix it up because he told me where he wants me to sell the tickets and I just I'm having a blank forty five 47 and sorry I'd give me 2 sucks. It's in it's in email.

45:48.79
Adz
Yeah, that's all good.

45:54.40
youcantcompthis
Because I clicked on the link and it's not what he said? Yeah because yeah, that link is not what he told me to say on the show. Yeah yeah.

45:55.83
Adz
I'm just looking I'm looking at the ad yeah ah ah the tickets not at the Hobby hangout. Yep.

46:11.14
youcantcompthis
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46:54.74
Adz
So.

47:00.80
youcantcompthis
It's got to do with the the Melbourne Hobby Hanger That's all I can say.

47:03.99
Adz
Moreo. There's what there's a Melbourne one. There's gonna be another melt. Of course there's gonna be another Melbourne our our our focus is on the hobby hangout Sydney at this stage. That's right we are we are focused on that at the moment.

47:07.73
youcantcompthis
The announcement is coming imminently in the next couple of days but that is going to be coming from official sources not from us that's correct. That's what the advertisement was about exactly yeah. Ah.

47:21.48
Adz
But don't worry if you're in Melbourne you won't miss out.

47:26.57
youcantcompthis
Wools versus Mavericks the first 2 games have been insane again. Luka has been absolutely dominating. Not that we will give Luka any acknowledgement on this podcast. We will only poo poo this kid I'm sure that's what he said.

47:37.40
Adz
You can't effing comp me ah that was the best I look.

47:42.63
youcantcompthis
As he hit that game winning 3 over go bear come on man that was awesome. Even if you're not a luca fan that was sick. Yeah.

47:50.67
Adz
Yes, yes, I'm waiting for him to to tell me I can't cop his cards anymore. But yeah, it was it look it cometh the moment cometh the man and this is yeah well Lucas stood up.

48:06.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, for the lip readers at home I think they were their ears were burning. That's all I can say the language was not Pg or g rated that he said to go bear something in there about you can't guard me was the.

48:08.38
Adz
I yeah.

48:17.27
Adz
There was definitely colorful.

48:23.93
youcantcompthis
Words that he used I'm sure it was still something about you can't guard me so play versus player. This is good. You're going to like this ad Luka versus Anthony Edwards

48:25.23
Adz
He said he was speaking Slovenian I don't know what you're talking about. Ah ah ah, that's um.

48:40.86
youcantcompthis
Righty Luka Donci fast break black one of 1 bgs 9.5 autograph ten or the twenty twenty donross optic Anthony Edwards 1 of 1 signatures fast break psa 9 the Lucas sold for 15 nearly 16 k and the Anthony Edwards sold for 9

48:54.82
Adz
Okay.

48:59.47
youcantcompthis
Point 7 add what have you got.

49:01.98
Adz
Oh I'll probably take the air. No offense to Luka.

49:05.21
youcantcompthis
Okay, no no I'm not I'm not offended at all.

49:12.85
Adz
And but there's it's a one of it's a 1 of 1 versus a oh wait is it? Yeah, they're both 1 of ones.

49:19.62
youcantcompthis
They're both one of ones. Yeah ones graded by Bs one is by PA you what's super juicy to isnt a particularly no, you cannot.

49:21.74
Adz
Or ones and 9 ones to 9.5. Oh this is tricky. Well I can't I can't rag on the pop count of the luca if it's a 1 of 1 ah pop can of 1 fine. Um. Now still gonna go with Anthony Edwards yeah Yeah,

49:41.32
youcantcompthis
That's cool. All right I'm gonna break this down. So for me a one of one I would like to know that the card is in relatively good condition and after that I'm not too fast because it's a 1 of 1 right? So whether it's bgs nine point five or a pse nine even if it was psa 10 that that doesn't move my needle very much so let's just sort of put that as even they're both 1 of ones I actually find the luca more aesthetically pleasing now.

50:01.52
Adz
Ah.

50:03.56
Adz
Suicide. Yep.

50:10.29
Adz
Oh.

50:13.90
youcantcompthis
Also too I'm looking at Luca's autograph or Luca's Mum's autograph in this instance that to me looks like it's an on Cardd autograph whereas the edwards is very clearly a sticker autograph. So again I'm gonna give the Luca another point now I think where all of this.

50:26.40
Adz
Ah, yeah.

50:32.42
youcantcompthis
Particularly in the short term where this is going to be super interesting because in two weeks time if edwards reels off 50 points for 3 games in a row and the wolves win 3 games in a row. You know we might feel differently about this but where I'm sitting right now. Luca has just gone balls out.

50:49.11
Adz
Yeah.

50:49.18
youcantcompthis
Talk some amazing trash. They're up 2 games 0 on the wolves home court. We have to acknowledge this so ah look I've kind of always been team luca anyway, just by default because of how much you hate Luca that's not.

50:54.82
Adz
A great.

51:03.30
Adz
I don't hate Luca I think the public overrate Luca they're giving him they're giving him his ticket tape parade before he's won the trophy.

51:07.42
youcantcompthis
The message you portray though Adam so you know yeah, okay.

51:18.69
youcantcompthis
Hobby wise yes, but in real life. No so I'm going with the Luca look I actually I really like this card I think if I was buying it though. The price difference you know does come into play. So if I'm just going on price ratio alone actually I think the edwards is a really good buy. But.

51:26.83
Adz
And.

51:32.31
Adz
So yeah.

51:35.38
youcantcompthis
I Think if I'm spending that much money I want an on card autograph I Know that's a funny thing to say. But yeah, so that's probably the yeah, all right next on this run sheet is weby. We have to talk about weby.

51:39.53
Adz
That's not that's fair, They're not that I think that's completely reasonable rational. No.

51:50.42
Adz
He's not even in the playoffs where we talked about wimby.

51:52.60
youcantcompthis
Well actually he has done something significant. So he's the first rookie ever to be selected Mba all defensive first team. So you know I think that this is something we should you know at least discuss so it actually says here.

52:02.80
Adz
That's pretty cool. Okay.

52:11.47
youcantcompthis
Other people who were named second team all defensive but not first Kareem Hakim manut Bowl Tim Dump Tim Duncan and David Robinson so you know he's in really really good.

52:14.78
Adz
Oh.

52:30.17
Adz
Not too bad. Yeah those players did all right with their careers.

52:31.15
youcantcompthis
Company here look I was actually with so when gobet got named unanimously the defensive player of the year I actually thought I was going a bit crazy because I thought he was going to get a lot more votes and how it played out So I'm actually.

52:40.37
Adz
Oh.

52:46.20
youcantcompthis
This has sort of regained my sanity a little bit because I'm like actually okay, good people do acknowledge. He's a good defensive player but they just say he's a step down from who the winner was okay so I'm totally fine with that. But at the same time too I do think he was done a little bit dirty on that voting. So.

52:54.34
Adz
A f let me see.

53:04.64
youcantcompthis
I think what we should do. This is a really good time for us to check out his. Let's have a look at his base because I was actually having a look at his base. Yeah psa 10 s and he's had a lot of movement in that space. So.

53:05.13
Adz
Um.

53:13.81
Adz
Wemby.

53:22.10
youcantcompthis
I Think now is a good time for us to segue into some cards from that little bit of knowledge.

53:32.00
Adz
Cad Light It doesn't run play.

53:39.89
youcantcompthis
That's okay, we can take our time I'll just put a footnote in here to edit this out 53 43 because he's down like 35 something percent. Yeah is he not on card letter.

53:48.89
Adz
Oh really.

53:55.49
Adz
The prism is is it.

53:55.69
youcantcompthis
He's on Cod Letter isn't he. Am I going crazy.

54:05.34
Adz
He might not be should be there. Raw shouldn't he.

54:06.96
youcantcompthis
Sorry.

54:16.57
Adz
Maybe not card ladder get your stuff together that's possible. Um.

54:18.30
youcantcompthis
Hing. Or maybe that's why I didn't put a link in super weird. Did I put a link in it all all that's Fine. We can just go Through. He just go through jump one thirty Point. So I'll edit all this Out. Don't worry.

54:41.56
Adz
To it.

54:50.15
Adz
Curious to know what the going rate is though.

54:55.39
youcantcompthis
O key dokey. So the PS a 10 base wembby rookie last sold for 43 now these were selling for three hundred five hundred at one point. So yeah.

55:08.72
Adz
This is just base. This is not silver this is base.

55:13.63
youcantcompthis
No base. Yeah, so they're pretty well consistently selling for hundred hundred and forty the silvers are consistently selling for one thousand one two 1 1 that's that sort of price range that they're floating around in look I think that we've been.

55:17.49
Adz
Yeah.

55:33.25
youcantcompthis
Pretty consistent about this in that this mass-producd base type cards are not something that you're particularly wanting to go out and spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on so I don't particularly feel like this is something that's news for our.

55:42.46
Adz
Yeah.

55:51.82
youcantcompthis
Show or our listeners but at the same time too I think it's really good for us to discuss because yeah, this is a current trend in the hobby and you know where we're going. So even if you go back to? yeah you know, even early may.

55:56.59
Adz
But just to point it out. Mm.

56:11.15
youcantcompthis
They were trading for that sort of 1 seventy one eighty one ninety Mark even down to one fifty so there is a bit of variation on it. But at the same time in a relatively short period of time. Yeah, so and the twenty second of may one sold for 500 so

56:16.30
Adz
Yeah.

56:26.99
Adz
Wow.

56:30.68
youcantcompthis
They've moved that's aussie so let's let's call it Two fifty american you know, just for argument's sake. But.

56:32.83
Adz
Show. Yeah, it's still you've got to be. It's it's that whole hype train people just want to get a hold of it and people are more likely with fomo to try and just.

56:41.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

56:47.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and look people wanted to people wanted to get on board. Yeah I Think at this point if you are going to be purchasing one I think you do have to factor that in that it's probably going to go down even another fifty because I think you know we talk about comping cards sometimes and it's a little bit difficult.

56:50.16
Adz
I'll pay what I need to pay to get it. Yeah.

56:58.64
Adz
Yeah.

57:06.30
youcantcompthis
Directly comp. But why don't you look at say a zion woomson base. Why don't you look at a jarmarant psa 10 base look at the all time history and that so this is where that type of data. You know comes in. You know, really handy. That's right? Yeah yeah.

57:16.51
Adz
The historical data more? Yeah, definitely yeah, that's a good That's a good point. You can you can look at a card that has or a player that has had a similar journey and then sort of time timestamp where that journey is applicable.

57:25.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, fast forward 3 years and you know where are we going to be at right? this next story is from the real 27 guy. He's someone that was spoken about on the show before or many times haven't spoken about him for a while he did this story about.

57:49.14
Adz
A.

57:49.45
youcantcompthis
An ebay card which was basically a Jordan ah metal card that someone took a red texted to and colored it in red submitted it to bgs who deemed it to be authentic, but altered didn't give it a grade. And then that person then listed it on ebay as a precious metal gem and interestingly actually bgs put on the label precious metal gem which is also part of the story and and part of the problem. So. It's not actually a pmg so pmg's how you would work this out quite is.

58:24.60
Adz
Wow.

58:28.41
youcantcompthis
So Pmg is a number this is an unnumbered card that's been colored in red. So yeah, but again, you know we're talking about with the different variations of the Jordan Star Card This is the type of thing where you know if you don't have this intimate.

58:34.91
Adz
It's been altered to have the numbering removed.

58:40.85
Adz
Oh oh. Yeah.

58:47.97
youcantcompthis
Knowledge about everything or okay, something you're you're bidding a lot of money on that's that's a separate issue altogether but it's not a stretch for me to sort of see myself in this scenario at some point in my life. So.

59:00.23
Adz
Wow Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

59:02.20
youcantcompthis
Never want to be too hard on people when this stuff happens particularly when people are doing dodgy stuff so fast forward two weeks it actually sold for $23000 on ebay. The person's paid for the card. So now you know the next update or you know next week what I hope we're going to hear is that it fails the authenticity process when it goes through ebags it will go through that process speculatively people have been saying on the post that the real 27 guy put up is that the authenticators from ebay will look at the slab and that's it they won't actually.

59:25.98
Adz
Do.

59:37.46
Adz
They won't judge the card at all. No.

59:40.36
youcantcompthis
Examine The card per se so it'll pass that and then can you get your money back through the ebay guarantee you know I'm not too sure about this so look I'm going to put my opinion. You know, very early on here and and this is for me. Probably an echo Chamber a little bit because this is where Psa is King So if this was a Psa card. You would return the card back to psa and they'd given you back your money. That's what the money back guarantees all about you're not getting that from Sgc you're not getting that from Bgs. So I don't think that necessarily gives them.

01:00:15.56
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:18.58
youcantcompthis
And easy out because I think this looks absolutely putrid for bgs.

01:00:20.89
Adz
Wow, It's yeah.

01:00:26.14
youcantcompthis
But I'd also say too like this is the bed that I'm now lying you know I'm very happy with a psa pillow case and a Psa do they wrapped around me at night psa had yeah.

01:00:38.65
Adz
I'm surprised you're not wearing your you bet your psa baseball cat. And yeah.

01:00:43.16
youcantcompthis
Psa colored makeup too. Do you know what? I mean like I'm just go all in because but this really just hammers that point home though for me like that's it. That's all I've got to say about this I'm gonna turn it over to you.

01:00:55.18
Adz
Um, balsy balsy move. It's yeah and this is where you've got to do your research any anything you get into.

01:00:59.27
youcantcompthis
Just dodgy though.

01:01:11.20
Adz
If you're new to the hobby in your bike and.

01:01:12.99
youcantcompthis
Just to interrupt where I disagree with you on that though you trust that b gs have done the right thing right? and this is what I'm saying like I can see myself in the situation now right? because you go okay, great. This is a pmg this is a Jordan.

01:01:20.14
Adz
Yeah, that's true. My first question if a card says altered is how is it altered? Yeah, it's true. Yeah, good point. Yeah.

01:01:32.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but you would still think it's a Pmg right? Ah, that's this is where I'm a little bit conflicted on all this you know I don't want to go too hard on the buyer here and the seller knew what they were doing. They knew that was.

01:01:40.14
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, Sella was dead.

01:01:48.70
youcantcompthis
And the person who colored it in and sent it into Bs they knew what they'll doing like sorry I interrupted you add what we finish off your point. Yeah, ah, definitely.

01:01:53.79
Adz
Yeah, no, it's that that's the dark that that's the dark side of our hobby right? But it's um, you make a very good point that that ebay probably won't protect.

01:02:11.25
Adz
There's a chance that they won't psa if it was a psa slab they would protect. They guarantee it because it's their reputation. But god it's an expensive lesson to learn 23 grand

01:02:13.63
youcantcompthis
Well, yeah's right? yeah.

01:02:20.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right, That's a stinker isn't it just add it to the list of another way to how you get scammed in this hobby. You know.

01:02:28.20
Adz
Well and that's probably that's one of the things where you you get into any hobby if it's going to cost you a lot of money do your research just understand before you spend large amounts of money know what you're getting yourself into know what you're buying what the risk is.

01:02:41.95
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, look yeah anyway, all right 2 more things and we'll tie this bad boy off ah Caitlin Clark

01:02:52.24
Adz
Co.

01:02:57.15
youcantcompthis
1 of one blue viper was listed on the panini instant website. The listing price was $25000 this was five days ago and it had 15 hours until it went up for sale. So I checked the website. It's not there anymore. So.

01:02:59.25
Adz
This.

01:03:08.20
Adz
A.

01:03:15.99
youcantcompthis
I'm going to assume that it's been sold. So you know we're talking really big biscuits here for this type of stuff. She's been playing pretty good so far but the the old heads of the wmba have been given her a really hard time. So um, she hasn't been.

01:03:29.10
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:33.85
youcantcompthis
Setting the league on fire. But it's her first year you know, give her a couple of years I'm I'm not too stressed about that. So just really quickly. There's still other cards. There's a jagu number to 10 for sale there for 2500 a white tiger to 5 for one thousand four hundred although that doesn't look like it's got an autograph on it. Ah.

01:03:38.93
Adz
Schaclimate.

01:03:52.15
youcantcompthis
Ah, jaguar to 10 autographed for one thousand two hundred so there's still a bit for sale on there. The last thing for this week show that I think we should really talk about ad is this ongoing issue or trend.

01:03:55.62
Adz
A.

01:04:08.41
youcantcompthis
With the current kabooms from this year's product. So basically the centering east-west is is really off and there's 2 things that make it incredibly obvious is that the lettering's cut off and there's also like a border on the inside of the card. So it'd be very easy for the greater to measure the eastwest whether it's.

01:04:13.20
Adz
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:25.93
Adz
Um, centering. Yeah.

01:04:28.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah, whether it's aligned or not and so currently the highest graded of these cards is a Pa eight So we've been talking about panini not having the wembbanata autographs. So what are the cards. It's going to matter we we love? Well I Love Kabooms I'm going to say we love kabooms.

01:04:32.23
Adz
Wow.

01:04:40.48
Adz
The kaboom is that yeah kaboobs are great.

01:04:47.80
youcantcompthis
Downtown's you know all this case hit type of stuff the numbered prism stuff I think is been really important or is going to be really important for Webby and so I'm really really conflicted on this because I think grades do matter.

01:04:50.59
Adz
Wow.

01:05:04.89
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:05.79
youcantcompthis
And so what does this mean for this card. What does it mean for webby collectors. You know where do you sit on all of this for this year's kabooms.

01:05:16.37
Adz
Do you reckon? It's the whole print run because we don't know how much has been graded right? like it's yeah.

01:05:20.84
youcantcompthis
Well sorry, Okay, we talked about sample size earlier in the day I think there's enough of a sample size now to say that you know there's something worrying you know, happening here so to take your point though I think if a psa ten does pop up. It is going to. Absolutely.

01:05:34.23
Adz
Concerning with the way. It's been done.

01:05:40.82
youcantcompthis
Just go crazy. It's gonna go for you know huge numbers. But.

01:05:42.33
Adz
Is there because you're talking about borders and set and stuff is it a chance that the back of it was intentionally off Center by panini.

01:05:52.47
youcantcompthis
I Don't think so so.

01:05:56.27
Adz
No, but I mean is there a template of the like I don't even know how the grading procedure works in the background. This is just my brain thinking and I know there are printing plates for cards right.

01:06:03.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:09.56
youcantcompthis
It's either a printing error or cut error. So yeah.

01:06:11.84
Adz
Yeah, yeah, so if you've got the printing like if they've got they understand how these cards are printed. They should know how to how? Ah what a perfect centered one should look like I wonder if there is a a mismatch.

01:06:27.67
Adz
Surely not all like if the highest 1 is an 8 There's a problem somewhere somewhere.

01:06:32.48
youcantcompthis
Yeah I think the root cause of it is actually it's a printing thing so putting my conspiracy hat I'm using the alleged words all the rest of it for these next two things I'm going to say so panin have been using different printing plants for their products this here.

01:06:36.67
Adz
Okay.

01:06:45.68
Adz
Oh.

01:06:51.84
youcantcompthis
Some prisms being printed in Mexico now the crown stuff was printed in Usa so going back to previous years where we've we've had a few printing problems. Let's be real here. It's traditionally all been print in the Usa I actually think the stuff that came out of Mexico this year was pretty good. So I wonder.

01:06:54.30
Adz
Um, ah.

01:07:10.14
youcantcompthis
If these printing plants in the states have just got systematic problems in them. Yeah, look.

01:07:13.85
Adz
Yeah, far out I Just a book problematic for the maybe we should just be getting the more authenticated.

01:07:23.11
youcantcompthis
Or just leave them in a really nice one touch like a magnetic and to show it off like that look if I if the card God smile at me and dude grant me a kaboom I'm not going to send mine off to psa I'm just going to keep it raw and just put into my special.

01:07:27.70
Adz
No authentic.

01:07:41.17
youcantcompthis
You know my lockbox I think that's it final thoughts at okay, all right, You're out. You're out of the crown breaks. Yeah.

01:07:44.23
Adz
Yeah, agree agree get a whip. Well I'm not chasing this Year'sbos No um yeah I Not no, no, no um I look it's yeah don.

01:07:57.96
Adz
Watch this space on Luca is my final thoughts for this week let's see if I'm a convert if if I'm gonna have to eat some humble pie wolves in 7

01:08:03.51
youcantcompthis
Let's go maves.

01:08:08.74
youcantcompthis
Maves and fiverr.

01:08:13.30
youcantcompthis
Thank you to all of our central Coast Radio listeners. Thank you to all of our podcast listeners. Thank you for all of your support on social media interactions your likes your comments. We can't get enough of it have a lovely lovely day.

01:08:30.89
Adz
We'll see you next week