Episode 146: Luka vs Tatum Finals,

Episode 146 is brimming with content! Finals talk, Kabooms, PMGs just to summarise. And oh yeah; we will be live podcasting at the Melbourne Hobby Hangout!
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- Luka vs Tatum
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- Dallas trades
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- Flawless 1/1 triple logo
- Exquisite 1/1 Jordan, Kobe and Lebron
- Gold Paolo Kaboom
- Jaylen Brown vs Tyrese Haliburton
- Andrew Nembhard
- KG vs Dirk
- Tyson Beck announcement
- Rookie heat check
- Listener question: Anthony Milne
- Who did least in their NBA career?
- Vince Carter's jersey retired by the Nets. 

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00:00.00
Adz
Not Facebook.

00:13.84
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 146 of the you can't cop this and Nba trading card podcast where your host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson we have 2 and Nba finalists.

00:28.69
youcantcompthis
We do luca magic it is going to be on point and actually the narrative I'm most looking forward to is the Kry revenge games. He seems like the type of guy that would hold a grudge to be honest.

00:45.15
Adz
I I feel like there's gonna be an f you Kyri kind of feel in the garden. Yeah, and he's gonna thrive on it. It's let's not let's not um, yeah dodle around that he is gonna love it. He's gonna lap up every minute.

00:46.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

00:57.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:59.91
Adz
And I cannot believe I'm saying this but I am I am I think most Lakers fans will be hardcore Dallas fans right now because we don't want Boston to to to get ahead on the championship count. So.

01:11.20
youcantcompthis
So I was quizzing you offline about this so you need to explain this out a little bit because you've been so against Luca for last sort of twelve months and now all of a sudden you're all on board right? Okay, so because you love the lakers so much you therefore hate the cell ticks.

01:23.44
Adz
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ah.

01:31.10
youcantcompthis
Which is why you're now supporting Dallas to the end. So right? Okay I'm um.

01:33.38
Adz
That's it. Yes, yeah, if there's 1 thing there's 1 thing that I cannot I don't want and that is Boston to win the title even though I I don't mind Tatum exactly yes.

01:42.66
youcantcompthis
I'm not sure I'm a hundred percent on board with this but I'm okay with it. Do you know what? I mean yeah, all right I say.

01:50.58
Adz
I do I do wish I do wish there was a scenario where neither team could win the title just cancel the season now. Ah, ah, ah, is it look this is Lucas time. This is his opportunity cometh the moment. So.

01:57.43
youcantcompthis
God You Lakers fans are salty honestly.

02:06.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right? Let's hold those luca thoughts for a little bit because we've got a big announcement to make ad June thirtieth melbournepavilionhobbyhangout. you can't comp. This will be there live podcasting. We are very excited about this.

02:12.20
Adz
I do most? yes.

02:26.15
youcantcompthis
We are very honored to be invited back? yeah.

02:29.24
Adz
we're back that's right we're we're back at the hobby hangout Sydney's happening happening in a couple of weeks and then and we will be joining you guys in Melbourne.

02:35.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so Sydney's date is the sixteenth of June which is obviously before the Melbourne one so tickets are available the hobbyhangout.com.a you also on the Melbourne Panel Lane Pierce will be there.

02:42.32
Adz
Um, yep.

02:50.19
Adz
Yes.

02:52.18
youcantcompthis
From the hobby Australia he is the headlining act and so we should be very smart gentleman very very good at what he does Matthew Payne will be hosting a panel double coverage boys will be there. It should be good to see them in action.

03:03.52
Adz
Yes.

03:09.58
youcantcompthis
Trading card zones and all of the the people that you know with shops will be there. Matt's card Matt's card shop will be there cherry collectibles ej cards will be there fast break collectibles palms off gaming. So if you need some storage solutions for your cards.

03:15.39
Adz
Yes, lots of friend. Yep.

03:26.30
Adz
Yes, yeah, it's gonna be good.

03:28.43
youcantcompthis
Go down, check them out Huge I'm very excited at I Can't wait to get involved again and start planning the day out actually made. It's gonna be cool.

03:40.26
Adz
It's gonna be a lot of fun every time we've been down at the hobby hangout. It's been. It's been a heap of fun and it's nice to be back? Um, yeah I'm looking forward to it. So yeah, if you're if you're in New New south wales yeah Sunday the sixteenth June in Sydney and then a couple of weeks later

03:48.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

03:58.20
Adz
Thirtieth of June in Melbourne and and yeah, obviously where will be will we will be at the Melbourne one. But yeah, we'd like to hear from those that go to the sydney one as well.

03:58.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

04:08.72
youcantcompthis
All right celtics versus the Mavericks who if you got ad okay so what's your at an Alice.

04:14.60
Adz
The Los Angeles Dallas Mavericks.

04:24.33
youcantcompthis
Analysis in this space. Why do you think that the Mavericks are going to win.

04:27.68
Adz
Why do I want the Mavericks to win because I don't want Boston to it now. Um I think this is gonna be a very interesting match I I do think Luca has taken a step this playoff series like through these playoffs. You're really seeing.

04:38.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

04:43.66
Adz
The emergence of of Luca as as the guy on the team which is great but Kyrie Irving's support has been phenomenal.

04:51.88
youcantcompthis
Can I just pull you up on that for 2 seconds do you think that he has actually emerged or do you think that you're just watching more Mavericks at the moment because I do wonder about this It's the same thing with small market teams right? with like Halliburton being in the conference finals. You can't tell me there wasn't more eyeballs on this guy like I wonder if there's still an albert of people who don't see the Mavericks play that much now they're seeing him you know every second day basically on the Tv.

05:21.82
Adz
Yeah I think it's more of a he's now getting the job done like I've never had a ah problem or a concern with the way he puts up his numbers. But it's one of those on the big stage. He's putting up the big numbers and they're getting the job done.

05:29.48
youcantcompthis
Let it show.

05:36.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and.

05:39.12
Adz
That's that's probably ah yeah, that's that's probably my take on it is I'm seeing Luca stand up when it matters. It's not this is not a regular season game where it's important to drop forty like this is ah we need to win now.

05:45.64
youcantcompthis
Shov.

05:57.80
Adz
And he's not shying away from it um look in the the timberwolve series I think Anthony Edwards kind of over ran his mouth and brought out finals Kyrie so I don't know when he when he targeted Kyrie and said he was going to guard kyree you know that that was.

06:07.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

06:14.27
Adz
That was probably not going to end. Well, it's a lesson learned Jordan had to lose a couple of times in the in the in the playoffs before he tasted success. So.

06:14.72
youcantcompthis
Okay, that's what.

06:22.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely and I think both of these guys you could say the same thing about Tatum and Luke you could say well they're still pretty young, but at the same time Tatum I feel like has now been there a couple of times. It seems more logical that would he would take the next step and.

06:26.58
Adz
6

06:33.12
Adz
This is his yeah time to.

06:40.10
youcantcompthis
Narrative wise you can sort of say well this is Luca's first time but at the same time I actually think the mas are going to win because I think both teams are going to have trouble matching up with each other I think the mavericks going to have a hard time defending Tatum and also brown and then vice versa I think the celtics going have a lot of trouble.

06:44.85
Adz
He's being close. Oh.

06:57.57
youcantcompthis
Defending Kyri and Luca and I think realistically Luca is just so good at the moment in that he can either score or pass and he can do it every single possession. It just doesn't let let me rephrase that he can score or assist and there's not that many people in the Nba that can do that like.

07:05.31
Adz
Yeah.

07:15.59
Adz
Yeah, Lebron Lebron Lebron does it Lebron does it? Yeah like we're not, we're not talking you.

07:16.52
youcantcompthis
Is he who is it maybe joker human maybe prime Lebron I was goodnna I was going to say maybe yanis. Yeah.

07:29.59
Adz
We're not talking year twenty one Lebron but like in the Nba finals you he can be the guy that drops 40 but he can also get 12 assists. You know what? I mean? yeah.

07:34.10
youcantcompthis
Maybe yeah I'm probably not as high on look and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way to Lebron. But yeah god the guy's forty something years old now like it's to do that every possession I feel. Yeah anyway.

07:46.89
Adz
Yeah.

07:50.39
youcantcompthis
So we did a little poll on the Facebook page very very close I think celltics just edged that one out sorry the Mavericks just edge that one out which I actually think is a really good representation of how this series is going to go I think it's going to be a back and forth type series and.

08:00.21
Adz
Yep.

08:05.57
Adz
Oh.

08:07.86
youcantcompthis
There's going to be adjustments and there's going be some close games. So I'm super excited about that I think now is a really good time for us to look through Luca pricing and I actually want to look at his old time pricing. So I literally just go through it and summarize it all so his very first sale of a silver psa 10 was seven fifty. five

08:19.84
Adz
Oh.

08:26.85
youcantcompthis
And basically over the next two years it was just a ah gradual increase and then of course we went into that covid time where it was an exponential increase his old time high sale was $9098

08:44.60
Adz
Yeah.

08:44.61
youcantcompthis
Are usd dollars of course and then after that it was just ah, it was a quick descent and then it's just been a very slow slow and steady decline. So if we go back to 2023 it was trading at around 902700 which I actually think is.

09:02.20
Adz
Um, yeah, oh.

09:04.20
youcantcompthis
Not a horrible price for his card but then actually it kept on trending even down further from that so they've been trading in 2024 for 102200 now. Let's go to the last three months this is where it gets really interesting. So in the last three months he's traded it a thousand dollars at the very start 1012 and then a peak sale recently was 2050 so he's actually up 92% in the last three months so

09:22.91
Adz
Yep yep.

09:27.89
Adz
Wow.

09:34.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so just going back to what I was saying before about that sort of one thousand seven hundred Mark I wonder if that is his new basement price now and this this current price of that sort of 2000 I think is a tiny bit inflated but inflated for all the right reasons all the the Hype.

09:51.86
Adz
Yeah.

09:52.87
youcantcompthis
Around him the finals hype that's coming on all that and and that's fine like you know we know sort of know that happens and and it's so tempting to to buy into it I mean I've been looking at Lucas at the moment have you been casually browsing through Lucas.

09:59.40
Adz
Yep.

10:06.62
Adz
I I be seeing a lot of Luca here there and everywhere. Um I feel like my concern is around the silver prism is just the pop count.

10:11.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure so population on that just on psa's 2299 so

10:16.27
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bit. It's a pretty high pop count for for a Psa 10 rookie card.

10:23.26
youcantcompthis
I think I agree with you but I also think this is where I compare this to the Jordan there is a heap of those cards an absolute heap of them and if people covered an athlete the population count does matter. But.

10:33.86
Adz
Yeah, oh.

10:41.78
youcantcompthis
If it's that upper echelon of of guys I think that matters less so where I'd go with that is Deonre Eight That's a bad example, but let's just say the pop count is the same. The price would be heavily diluted because there's so many of them and.

10:52.88
Adz
Oh.

10:59.00
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.

10:59.40
youcantcompthis
No one's chasing Johnre Aton youre mean whereas like the top guys. You know the jordans the lebrons. The Kobe's I don't think that matters as much on the population count so you wanted to talk about a different card. Why don't we do that I think this is the perfect time to segue into something a little bit more interesting than just the.

11:08.57
Adz
Okay.

11:18.12
youcantcompthis
The vanilla silver.

11:19.48
Adz
Well, it's it's it depends really on price points like I have a I just think that the the silver because of its sheer pop count is a I don't know about I don't know if it's a wise investment. Um. But looking even looking through card ladder the pop count on so many on on Lucas in general like just like the optic the the pop count is in the thousands. You know I mean that doesn't matter which which card you refer to as far as his rookie card goes.

11:45.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

11:55.20
Adz
They've all got insanely high pop counts.

11:56.98
youcantcompthis
That is that is undoubtedly true and then.

12:01.10
Adz
So where do you get value.

12:05.59
youcantcompthis
So there was I didn't actually bookmark this or even I'm not even quoting this but someone else actually raised this on socials this week and they were actually referring to his patch autographs and I think historically comparing Luca to.

12:13.57
Adz
I k.

12:23.70
youcantcompthis
Previous generation of guys. So this is whining it back. You know a long way. But if you take it back say 10 years or even 20 years back to Lebron. There's so much more even of the patch autograph stuff so that's automatically where my head goes. So if you okay fine, you don't want a silver that's fine.

12:31.21
Adz
Yeah.

12:38.86
Adz
What do you get.

12:41.87
youcantcompthis
But I don't think that that argument if you then say are fine I'll buy a patch autograph I don't think that automatically solves the problem either. There's still a lot of this stuff and so what would you buy I mean let's just you know for a fun for a fun argument. You know what would you.

12:52.70
Adz
Yeah I should. Ah umm, what would I buy. Um.

13:00.87
youcantcompthis
This He's the hottest guy on the basketball planet at the moment.

13:04.80
Adz
Um I probably I don't I don't know I don't know if it's a good investment I can't fight I can't find another another card I like the prison I like the card. There's just too many of them.

13:15.30
youcantcompthis
All right? Okay, let me let me try and create a narrative that makes it a good buy for you. So let's just say he goes on to win the finals this year the next year.

13:21.00
Adz
Okay, listen.

13:26.46
Adz
Okay.

13:30.59
youcantcompthis
It makes it easier for all these media heads to vote him as Mvp so now he's got one championship and he's got an Mvp and he's what 26 okay then you start looking at the old time guys because you go. Okay, he's already got 1 and one could he have 2 and 2 by the time he's 30

13:36.30
Adz
Okay.

13:44.49
Adz
Okay.

13:50.60
youcantcompthis
And by the time he's thirty one could you have 3 and 3 you know that's a pretty easy narrative to to generate right? So then you start comparing him to yarnas rookie cards to Lebron Kobe rookie cards he's still very good value at this point. All right is that enough convincing.

13:53.79
Adz
Yeah.

14:03.78
Adz
Ah.

14:06.18
Adz
Yeah I'd go to select I would go the select I try and look for um, something different all right? So I've picked my card for those playing at home. We'll be seeing.

14:07.40
youcantcompthis
What would you buy? okay. Cool fun. That's fun. Talk talk to us. Yeah.

14:25.19
Adz
My frantic searching through card ladder for it. But my my my choice here would be the 2018 Penini select Luka dondage die cut blue prism peers a 10 and we're just gonna.

14:30.90
youcantcompthis
Um.

14:37.84
youcantcompthis
Okay.

14:43.82
Adz
The pop count is 60 note the pop count is not 2000 where's the all sales die cuts I have a thing for dieycarts I don't know what it is but last sold was nine hundred and ninety bucks Thousand dollar card it's a die cut.

14:57.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

15:01.76
Adz
It's number to two forty nine it ticks so many of the boxes that I like and it's a visually, it's ah it's a really nice card.

15:04.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah, all right? So the pros for me on that is that it's a die cut and it's a 10 So if you think about how many more edges a card like that has so that that is a big and that's a real thing.

15:12.87
Adz
Yeah yep, yep.

15:20.80
youcantcompthis
Pop count is correct. The pricing is delicious I'm I'm down with that. My only concern for this long term is that with the dilution that we spoke about earlier of how many cards like total cards we have for this guy.

15:35.35
Adz
Yep.

15:36.21
youcantcompthis
You know where do people start and stop spending their money do eventually those sort of select optic cards start to so dwindle out a little bit and then just people sort of slowly more and more migrate to prism. That's my only you know concern about that stuff and just for the record I Love select maybe more than prism. But I still.

15:45.91
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

15:55.76
youcantcompthis
Need to be realistic about you know my my head and my heart and where I'm like you know I think select is probably at the right price though. But at the right price that's fine. You know what? I mean like just don't overspend on this select stuff. So yeah.

16:00.32
Adz
Yeah, it's out look I Yeah yeah, my bat with that and that's a thing like I'm just trying I'm I'm trying to get something different something for value. Ah.

16:15.30
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

16:17.43
Adz
I like I also like I like the silver premiere level series like the silver last sold for five hundred and ninety that's got a pop of 230 it's I don't know it like it's a lower pop count and it's not because.

16:24.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

16:30.76
youcantcompthis
Up. Yeah.

16:35.74
Adz
It's ah it's a lower quality product. Everyone just graded the living crap out of like it's not like there wasn't any select product available but everyone graded the hell out of the prism. So so I don't know there's There's lots of the prism I think there's a case to be made that selects.

16:47.60
youcantcompthis
So definitely.

16:54.95
Adz
Um, might be might be favorable down like long term as an investment like I think there's potential for it to go up due to the lower pop count.

16:59.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

17:07.42
youcantcompthis
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18:30.41
youcantcompthis
There is absolutely no promo code on discount on this one. This is as good as the price is going to get so 10 packets for one twenty nine we are back. Thank you everyone for coming back. We appreciate you sticking around. Hope you enjoyed some tunes.

18:49.25
Adz
Yeah, and Welcome Welcome to all our our lovely friends that are listening ah on Central Coast Radio Good to have everybody on board. Yeah.

18:53.92
youcantcompthis
Absolutely yeah, central coastradio.com you will finest there 10 a m to midday on thursdays.

19:04.91
Adz
Yes.

19:08.65
youcantcompthis
Tuesday night eleven p m to 1 am m Melbourne time and I do believe we have a Sunday slot at 3 p m Melbourne time but that is still currently been moving around I believe but we will be moving to that one point.

19:22.92
Adz
Yeah, nice.

19:28.57
youcantcompthis
This next story is something that just speaks to my heart a lot so this is not so much basketball card related but it's very much Dallas Mavericks which is the flavor of today's show so this is the transaction history of how they put the team together. So Spencer Dinwittier Dorian Finnnie Smith

19:36.69
Adz
Of course.

19:46.80
youcantcompthis
2029 first round pick and two second round picks for Kyrie Irving I think we can both agree that trade has gone down incredibly well they drafted Derek lively at the number 12 overall pick which they did tank for that. So I think we have to also.

19:52.57
Adz
Oh.

19:59.64
Adz
Yep.

20:03.61
youcantcompthis
Mention they got the Twelfth pick but they also deliberately tanked for that they traded Grant Williams Seth Curry 2027 first round pick top 2 protected for Pj Washington and 2 second round picks so that one for me I'm totally fine with because.

20:16.82
Adz
Yep.

20:22.41
youcantcompthis
I think they paid a lot to get pj Washington but clearly the Grant Williams chemistry fit just wasn't there at all. And in fact, it was probably hurting the team in some ways the thing that's really interesting for me was they actually obtained him in the offseas and then flipped him on really quickly so they didn't.

20:27.73
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

20:40.41
youcantcompthis
Do that whole thing about you know trying to make something work that we're just like this is a sun cost. Let's just move on from that straight away. So that's you know, really interesting. But maybe my favorite is the 2028 pick swap for Daniel Gaffford so there's this whole thing in soccer where.

20:51.58
Adz
Oh.

20:59.90
youcantcompthis
There's a heap of statistics available and clubs can pick up players that are they're good soccer players that's fine. But how do you mesh together that this player plus this player is going to work well together. So one plus one doesn't equal 2 1 plus one equals 3

21:11.60
Adz
Yep.

21:15.16
youcantcompthis
And I think if you look at these transactions that's where they've done really well because Derek Lively Daniel Gaffford are the perfect players to be receiving lobs from Luca Donitchch and Kyrie Irving and I think that's where they've absolutely nailed it the other one too is the jones junior which is not listed on here but you can't.

21:24.28
Adz
For sure.

21:33.49
youcantcompthis
Had this conversation with without mentioning that like that guy on that team is just such a perfect. He doesn't need any plays called for him. He does all the dirty work for them. He's catching lobs from luca and and kyri so he's still having some fun out there. Do you know what? I mean like it's not like he's just doing. All the dirty work and not getting any. You know any fun time at all like ah I just love that so much so you know I love all this fantasy you know team building and stuff like that so that for me is that's from on Twitter atsideri e s I d e r y so thank you so much for that post.

22:08.63
Adz
Yeah.

22:10.81
youcantcompthis
I'm gonna retweet that right now. Actually that's some um deliciousness all right this next one add the lucre 1 of one Kabom has surfaced from 23 24 crown royale well I mean look they've probably ripped about.

22:20.44
Adz
Already.

22:26.82
youcantcompthis
Five hundred or six hundred cases of the stuff surely now I'm no grading expert I've already confessed this on ah on a previous show but I'm looking at this card and it doesn't look great east-w west so I'm going to say this card has maybe kept better raw.

22:27.26
Adz
True true.

22:40.61
Adz
So.

22:44.50
youcantcompthis
Or a PS a 8 It's up to you whichever that you choose.

22:45.13
Adz
What do you think? the problem is with this this some this year's kabooms just a yeah yeah yeah, yeah, that's a 1 of one I'd be get it? yeah.

22:51.70
youcantcompthis
Ah, look I think what we said last week it's just a printing error. It's just I think that's it made. It's just end the conversation start stop done. Yeah.

23:03.57
Adz
It's that I wouldn't be worrying about what the grade on it is.

23:04.33
youcantcompthis
Asking price of 125000 us atom buy hold or sell at one hundred and twenty Five k

23:13.20
Adz
I'm selling it if I've got that I'm I'm I'm selling it and I'm buying something else.

23:17.10
youcantcompthis
Look I'm not going to mince words on this I I think the guy's crazy for selling it I can understand the 125000 reasons why to sell it. But I think in terms of having a card in your pc and.

23:33.21
Adz
If you had that and sold it. What would you buy is my question.

23:38.99
youcantcompthis
Ah I suppose a Jordan or a lebron exquisite I Think that's the the next step isn't it but see my argument with this though is like why to hold is because if you look at.

23:45.45
Adz
Dead 10 But.

23:56.60
youcantcompthis
Pmg's from you know years back of players who are not nearly as good as these in say a psa 6 or 7 something like that right? The sold prices on these are just insane like it.

23:58.70
Adz
Yeah, um.

24:05.95
Adz
Yeah.

24:12.80
youcantcompthis
It really makes my head hurt. Um you know and looking at some of these prices that sell do you know what? I mean and so if we do speculate that this is going to be the next type of Pmg I don't see.

24:25.71
Adz
Oh.

24:30.44
youcantcompthis
Why you would sell that because it's a 1 of 1 and like where do you go from here. Do you know what? I mean like I just just? yeah yeah, yeah.

24:36.93
Adz
The fact that it's a 1 on one and it's literally this generation's pmg why why would you sell it when you know the appreciation what the expected appreciation on it like it's not. It's not dropping anytime soon.

24:48.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of comments on this post. You know people saying the price is too high and all that type of stuff and that's fine like it's all in pretty good spirited banter back and forth all that type of stuff.

24:58.93
Adz
Of Course. Oh.

25:06.66
youcantcompthis
And I think where I feed on on this is that I can't afford that one Twenty Five k so um it's more jealousy as opposed to what the priceities are asking for and I wrote on the thing. Great price and in my head I'm still not too sure am I actually being serious or I'm actually being sarcastic. It's such a crazy price and again because of the jealousy component. Yeah look I think we're froffed over that enough ad final thoughts.

25:33.85
Adz
Yeah.

25:40.91
Adz
It's yeah, all right final thoughts. Um as tempting as it would be to sell it. Yeah, probably hold it. That's ah it's an impressive card.

25:52.16
youcantcompthis
It's insane all right? So let's go to something still in the same vein but a little bit different so we're gonna do an ultra modern one of 1 and then we're going to do an old school one of one so this is from card ladder.

26:01.75
Adz
Um, yep.

26:06.40
youcantcompthis
Eye catching sale Ninety Nine thousand usd flawless yeah so I mean this is a great comp isnant. So why don't we do this. We'll do it as a 3 way comp.

26:08.79
Adz
So you'd have change if you sold that Luka one of 1 cool.

26:22.12
youcantcompthis
Flawless triple logo and Anthony Edwards lamelo ball tyres Halliburton yeah, comparing that to an exquisite collection. 1 of 1 Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan and Lebron James so

26:25.83
Adz
Um, it's impressive I like that one.

26:40.90
youcantcompthis
We're not exactly comparing like to like here but at the same time. Um, it.

26:42.90
Adz
Wait A second who's who.

26:48.20
youcantcompthis
What.

26:51.15
Adz
Who's who which one's La Melllo which one's ah like is Halliburton is Halliburton Jordan or Lebron Halliburton's Lebron Lamellow's no not. You can't compare it anyway. Yeah, not.

27:05.29
youcantcompthis
It's pretty tough. Yeah I think Edwards you'd say Jordan right? like there's so many jokes about him being the illate illegitimate child of that. Um, yeah, but after that it's really tough isn't it. Maybe you would say la mellows.

27:08.11
Adz
Anthony Edwards is all 3 whatever I'd say Kobe but yeah, it's true. It's true.

27:23.37
youcantcompthis
Closest to Lebron but that makes Halliburton Kobe that's super weird that doesn't fit does it? Yeah, so there's actually no sold price on this.

27:24.52
Adz
That makes Halliburton Kobe so air. So Halliburton could be Jordan. There I don't imagine if I had that I wouldn't be selling it. That's for sure I'd also probably have it in some kind of protective covering just between between you and me yeah I'd probably protect it given it's.

27:37.27
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

27:47.31
youcantcompthis
It's crazy isn't it. It doesn't even. The the picture doesn't even look like it's sort of soft mat. Yeah, all right? So if that's sold for a hundred k What do you think this Jordan Kobe Lebron would sell for.

27:52.84
Adz
Ah, Triple logo. Yeah.

28:04.17
Adz
That card if that's worth any. That's worth. It's got to be worth more than the lebron triple logo. It's a one of fun. There's like that's ah, that's a in my eyes. That's that's multiple million dollars

28:17.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right? So 1000000 doesn't do it for you.

28:22.48
Adz
no no I ah feel like flippantly I would say that's a $5000000 card

28:27.28
youcantcompthis
Okay, now that's totally fine I think I don't have a massive problem with that.

28:34.46
Adz
Like I just I yeah, it's 1 of 1 and it's like it's 3 of the greatest basketballers of all time.

28:38.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, 3 iconic yeah, 3 top 10 players of all time. Yeah, in 1 card. It's pretty delicious. All I do have a question for you would you take the triple logo in the ultramodern one of.

28:47.91
Adz
Yeah.

28:58.75
youcantcompthis
Edwards La Mallo and Halliburton or would you take the 1 of one Kaboom Luca donage that's actually a super cool question.

29:06.99
Adz
Or yeah, ah, that's a really good one I.

29:15.24
Adz
Both 1 of one's.

29:23.60
Adz
I probably take the Luca I'm on the fence with it. But I probably take the luca because I feel like a card with 3 players on it can decline just ah like can fluctuate based on multiple factors.

29:27.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's super tough isn't it. Yeah.

29:37.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

29:41.40
Adz
So if lamello ball I don't know does something that ruins his career that card doesn't the ceiling drops. Um, and that's why I was talking about the the Jordan the Jordan Kobe Lebron because that doesn't those 3 careers are.

29:49.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

30:00.52
Adz
Phenomenal and they're not dropping.

30:05.80
youcantcompthis
I Feel like I'm going to go back on everything I've just said this episode about Kabooms So my argument for the kaboom is that I actually think flawless as a product in the after Sales market is underdone.

30:20.90
Adz
Okay.

30:23.43
youcantcompthis
In that even if you're looking at vertical rpas. There are some instances where the national treasures will outsell the flawless which always makes my head hurt and I still there's some things I don't understand in the hobby and I would put that maybe at the top of the list.

30:35.12
Adz
Um.

30:38.64
Adz
In 1 of those. Yeah.

30:42.22
youcantcompthis
Why doesn't flaw a self more. Why doesn't exquis itself a more why doesn't you know what? I mean like those sort of top end products you know is there actually a bit of a opportunity in that space to pick up some you know bargains on that I do agree with you what you're talking about with the ceiling and you know 1

30:47.97
Adz
Yeah.

31:02.70
youcantcompthis
Player dropping it down and I actually think Lamelo is the one that probably would drop that card down just because of his family injury history and he's he's been injury riddled already. So yeah I got to say to you I'm all for with you on that one.

31:08.80
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

31:20.21
Adz
He still gonna go for the flaers.

31:20.64
youcantcompthis
I'm still gonna go for the flaless though I feel like yeah I think I just almost have to just for the fact that you've gone for the Kabom just to be frankly annoying I'll just do that.

31:28.81
Adz
Yeah, and what would you that what would you value that the the the other one the other one of 1 the Kobe Lebron and um and Michael Jordan yeah I'm just thinking I'm contextualizing with the triple logo man.

31:35.44
youcantcompthis
I think 5 is high without an autograph but between two and a half and three I feel like that would almost every day of the week sell for that.

31:48.23
Adz
Because what did the what did the triple logo man go for was two point. Something wasn't it the the Lebron Triple logo man the one that they were hunting.

31:53.79
youcantcompthis
Which one.

32:01.22
youcantcompthis
I Don't think that went for as much as what we were thinking? Yeah, definitely it would yeah all right ad break. Yeah.

32:06.44
Adz
We thought Anyway, I think it would go out a lot more than that. That's just yeah, yeah,, let's have ah let's have a quick break put some tunes on and and. People can go and make themselves a coffee if they're listening to the radio.

32:24.40
youcantcompthis
That's right. Um, we are back. But.

32:29.73
Adz
Back and ready to keep talking cards.

32:33.43
youcantcompthis
All right? We're going to take a little bit of a a break from the Nba finals and the western conference finals we are going to keep talking about kabooms though because 2022 kabooms were printed straight so gold.

32:51.22
Adz
Yep.

32:53.49
youcantcompthis
Paulo Kaboom ps a 10 obviously number to 10 sold for 14750 now I think this is going to be 1 of those cards that the person's going to look back at this purchase and just be. Literally laughing you know forever I think this is one of the best purchases that maybe we've ever spoken about on this. Yeah I love Ben Chero as a prospect.

33:19.80
Adz
Really.

33:26.72
youcantcompthis
Obviously I love kabooms then we're talking about something that's short printed and psa ten and we also know about all the issues that we've had with the current year stuff like I wonder if when the heat comes off. You know this year's product people will start to go back and say actually look I'd rather spend my money on a psa ten I'm not going to get it from this product.

33:26.84
Adz
Yep.

33:34.26
Adz
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

33:46.28
youcantcompthis
So do other years become more desirable. Is there a narrative. Yeah, so look. We're not talking small change here like it's still a very big purchase but at the same time I think just looking you know, further down the track to me that is just an absolute.

33:47.00
Adz
Near doubled up with the rookie year as well. Yeah, true true. Yeah.

34:03.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, say yeah, home runs a good a good ah good phrasing there for sure for sure.

34:06.28
youcantcompthis
Home run so congratulations. Yeah. Yeah, all right slightly coming back to the Nba finals. This is again from our friendsensic card letter Jalen Brown Logoman auto 1 of 1 from 2016 national treasures versus.

34:29.72
Adz
Ah.

34:31.41
youcantcompthis
Halliburton 1 of 1 again. National treasures logo and patch autograph 84000 that the halliburton sold for and 52 the Jalen Brown sold for.

34:44.10
Adz
Ah, they these? ah these are very interesting prices.

34:48.49
youcantcompthis
So I like the Jaylen Brown a lot more than the halliburton. Obviously there's 30000 reasons why that's like obvious but I think the really the prospect here is that. The celtics wind of the finals and then all of this Jaylen Brown that's just been sitting there undervalued which we've spoken about on previous episodes at more than once you know I think all that stuff just appreciates quite quickly whereas to steal your phrase that Halliburton is ultimate.

35:10.14
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure.

35:21.29
youcantcompthis
Ultimate future pricing right? there? yeah.

35:23.53
Adz
Yep, agreed agreed I think I think also think Jalen Brown's criminally underrated in the hobby and in the league.

35:30.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah, well the narrative around that in the league is starting to change around like I can't believe it's not the first time I quoted Kendrick perkins perkins went on this rant the other day that actually the best player on the celtics is Jalen Brown

35:48.29
Adz
Yep.

35:48.34
youcantcompthis
And that the offense should run through Hume I completely disagree with it I think look let's just say that Jalen Brown is the better overall basketball player that's fine, but that there's a difference between being the go to guy on offense the person who creates all the offense and can consistently do that.

36:04.10
Adz
Um, true.

36:06.82
youcantcompthis
Versus the better overall basketball player like that's like like that's like saying Scotty Pippen should have been the go to guy because he was the better overall basketball player than Jordan like Jordan was the go to guy because he could score every time down the court right? but.

36:21.11
Adz
The offense look better if it ran through Pippin or like as a team offense. It's like yeah they so they should run it through Pippin and it's like no no Jordan it be get. yeah yeah, yeah agreed I don't know I'm looking at this post and I'm looking.

36:26.87
youcantcompthis
No because he was a better rebounder. He should therefore get more shots like that makes no sense like yeah.

36:37.57
youcantcompthis
Sorry we segwayed hard then didn't we.

36:39.36
Adz
You see mother did you see the card ladder value though even card ladders gone on future pricing.

36:47.31
youcantcompthis
I Wonder how that's calculated out.

36:51.65
Adz
That said it's interesting that it's a it's a um yeah I'm not sure how that they're both 1 of ones like what what bases because they were both sold a year ago trends that's a trending thing possible.

36:57.44
youcantcompthis
I wonder if it's I wonder if it's calculated off this silver PSA 10 trend yeah no I think Brown's been sliding the last couple of years

37:08.81
Adz
Possible but you'd expect brown to be headed the other direction. Um is he really.

37:15.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah I don't think he's had much movement at all Upwards It's all being pretty stagnant. Yeah, okay.

37:21.89
Adz
Yeah I definitely take the brown even though card ladder is saying don't um I don't know I feel like brown's closer to success right now and you just won the um but is it is it the Larry Bird trophy

37:36.64
Adz
The Eastern conference finals like he got the award Very interesting.

37:36.72
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah.

37:41.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah I think those those awards are flawed and I think the easy example of to explain that is when Andre Igadala won the finals Mvp like that was some nonsense and so.

37:51.70
Adz
They will they yeah rather than give it to Lebron James let's give it to the person that's guarding Lebron James because Lebron was on the losing. Yeah yeah, right.

37:56.33
youcantcompthis
Oh to Steph Curry what about Steph Curry I mean he joking so you know I think all those awards I'm not saying it doesn't matter but geez take it with a grain of salt like and I'm no Tatum Jock Ridder but Tatum should have.

38:08.83
Adz
Yeah.

38:14.99
youcantcompthis
Got that? yeah.

38:17.17
Adz
Fair fair. Can I can we do a quick a very quick seway check in on Jaylen Brown I'm gonna go and have a look at his silver because I reckon he's on a um I'm not the last three months

38:20.99
youcantcompthis
Absolutely.

38:35.20
Adz
And all right. There was a yeah he silver ps a 10 is actually up 34% in the last three months let's let's let's have a look at 2 years he's a there's a risk. There's a resurgence. So yeah.

38:40.44
youcantcompthis
Okay, but what about the last two years what's he done in the last two years and can you summarize sort of six month blocks but he was down. Yeah yeah, but see and that's where that's where I think that that pricing.

38:54.84
Adz
He was definitely on a downward trend. Um, yeah, yeah, so 2 two years starting it was at 4 65 so it's around about the 500 Mark dwindled all the way down to I think it was two two hundred and fifty for the silver prism.

39:00.22
youcantcompthis
Model comes in. Yeah.

39:10.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:13.73
Adz
Um, had a slight spike about a year ago is that 650 was ah was a sale in May Twenty Twenty three and then just gradually trickled down to it was one hundred and fifty dollars

39:24.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

39:30.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

39:31.25
Adz
Ah, in December right? So this last six months he's now the the last couple of sales three hundred and twenty five and ah four hundred of the sales so he sort of come back to where he where he started.

39:48.72
youcantcompthis
Yep.

39:50.12
Adz
So he's definitely not a solid investment who's very.

39:53.44
youcantcompthis
If you picked it up for one fifty though you would be laughing. Yeah.

39:56.79
Adz
If you yeah, you'd be loving. It wouldn't you if it was if yeah, anything under anything under that sort of under 300 I think you look. It's a good you. You're probably in the right ballpark.

40:07.67
youcantcompthis
I picked up in a trade for 500 aussie and that was I paid comps at the time and I was pretty happy with that and I was speculating on you know, future success. Basically yeah hey we've been some hardcore high-end cards. So let's let's do some low-end stuff man yeah.

40:13.66
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

40:23.72
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

40:27.37
youcantcompthis
So this has come to my mind because obviously the paces versus celtic series. Halliburton was out and that completely changed the the complexity and also the shot opportunities for all of the paces plays and look.

40:41.10
Adz
Yeah.

40:45.11
youcantcompthis
We've spoken about miles turner. We've spoken about spicy p so I think the next one to talk about is probably Nembbrand because I thought he emerged in a really big stage I thought he played you know, really solid basketball and we were speculating about.

40:55.59
Adz
Yeah.

41:02.32
youcantcompthis
What's going to happen to the pace's future. Are they going to bring players in and my opinion is that it's going to be internal improvement and we spoke about Drese Walker but we didn't speak about net brand. So I think let's just really quickly. You know run through some of this now I'll say to you before about national treasures and flaws being underrated and I've actually found.

41:09.43
Adz
Ah.

41:22.17
youcantcompthis
Perfect example for you so national treasures vertical rpas number to 25 they did it on a 24 hour auction so that's probably their own fault. It sold for one hundred and thirteen usd now the select number to 10 horizontal rpa.

41:26.76
Adz
Wow.

41:41.22
youcantcompthis
Sold for 300 so if you're asking me which would I prefer would I like the nt vertical or a select horizontal like there's just absolutely no conversation in that at all and then the fact that one is 3 times more expensive than the other in the wrong direction to me.

41:41.23
Adz
Yep.

41:52.17
Adz
9

41:58.50
Adz
Yeah.

41:59.94
youcantcompthis
You know that is some absolute nonsense so that's a couple of sales there now looking at the again the cheaper stuff so an optic signature card for ten bucks select red wave for two fifty and a tie died.

42:09.17
Adz
Okay.

42:15.78
Adz
Okay.

42:19.84
youcantcompthis
Select autographs that's number to 25 so that's getting up a little bit to for one fifteen talk to me.

42:21.84
Adz
But can I just say when you said two fifty that's $2 50 right

42:34.86
youcantcompthis
Um, sorry which card are we talking about now are yeah $2 in $2 and fifty cents sorry sorry so yeah, so unnumbered unnumbered red wave. Yep, that was that was not clear was it? Yeah yeah.

42:37.20
Adz
The select concourse yeah, yeah, not 250? Yeah yeah, yeah.

42:51.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so looking at sort of just his rookie Parallels we're talking a couple of dollars each so the the optic silver is $3 there's a red cracked ice prism there for $4 you know is it worth jumping on on this kid.

43:01.93
Adz
That's yeah.

43:07.37
Adz
It's nice.

43:10.21
youcantcompthis
Look I don't think this is a home run by any means but at the same time if you're looking for someone cheaper to go in and prospect on you know I don't mind that at all actually. But yeah if I comp that between him and Walker I.

43:19.37
Adz
It's like those really cheap pickups was like yeah yeah.

43:27.34
youcantcompthis
And probably still in on walker to be honest with you just because of the unknown factor with Walker I just wonder if you know yeah and he's had a few things going against him too like it is. It is a pretty good veteran team. It's hard for rookies to get.

43:29.83
Adz
Tray.

43:35.35
Adz
Yeah.

43:44.77
Adz
Agreed Agreed I Yeah, it's yeah.

43:44.82
youcantcompthis
Play time in that all right, let's do 1 more quick one and then we'll go for our next break ad so this is going back in time Kevin Garnett versus Dirk Nowitzki our precious metal gems that we've been speaking about.

43:54.14
Adz
Yep.

44:04.54
youcantcompthis
Ah, should have referenced this one before when we're talking about the the kaboom earlier that would have been the perfect segue right.

44:09.51
Adz
I would be yeah that would have been an ultimate, an ultimate segue I think.

44:14.45
youcantcompthis
90 ninety seven metal universe champs Kevin Gunnet precious metal gems psa 6 sold for $32000 you know that? no this is actually a pmg. Yeah.

44:23.83
Adz
And this one wasn't colored in with text or either this is a real one.

44:32.40
youcantcompthis
So that's number to 50 I'm I'm gonna die on this hill ma honestly oh like that polo kabom that's sold for 14

44:41.24
Adz
Still the best value right? That's incredible.

44:44.96
youcantcompthis
And can I ask you I've got nothing against this kg selling for 32 k I've got nothing about it I'm just saying if you comp those 2 head-to-head.

44:52.67
Adz
Oh.

44:57.13
youcantcompthis
And look probably at the end of the day kg is going to have a better career but still I think rookie card versus you know, non-rokie p a 10 versus pa 6 number to 10 versus number to 50

45:13.90
Adz
The the the palo is pretty pretty crazy, but this come.

45:14.70
youcantcompthis
You know there's a lot in that space. Yeah anyway back to this compia dirk no whisky 1998 skybox premium star rubies psa eight that is number to 25 I got to tell you that is a very aesthetically pleasing card. Um, not big on skybox I can't tell you it brings back childhood memories that fill my heart with warmth. But that's a nice looking card. You know there's always 1 card in the set that looks good.

45:37.88
Adz
Ah.

45:41.17
Adz
That looks crazy. Yeah.

45:44.44
youcantcompthis
I'm going with a Kg on this one I Think that's a sick Kg card. It's a nice durker. But yeah I'm going with Kg What do you got math really.

45:50.65
Adz
I'm taking Dirk for Dirk the jerk I'm gonna turn this into a Boston versus Dallas thing even though he's in a timberwolves even though he's in a timberwolves. Ah Jersey KG did play for the celtics. That's it. That's it of sticking with the Mavericks.

45:56.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll buy that I will buy that. Yeah yeah, yeah.

46:05.72
Adz
The honorary Los Angeles Mavericks because we're we're we're rallying behind to stuff the celtics I'm I'm on board this is is it is throwing all my support behind the mas.

46:13.26
youcantcompthis
That's fair, your your laker fandom is coming out. Yeah yeah, yo.

46:22.18
Adz
Ah, do like Dirk Nowitzki though like and that and that that card you're right for skybox it's actually yeah, it's ah it's a it's a pretty card a pretty card is at the right no star rubies not say the pmg's not.

46:28.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah, you can use the word pretty if you want that's fine.

46:40.65
Adz
Impressive but both very shiny that's for sure.

46:42.80
youcantcompthis
Very sure all right? Let's go to our last break of today and when we come back, we're gonna talk about my next purchase we're gonna talk some Tyson Beck and maybe do a bit of a rookie heat. Check.

46:48.55
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

47:00.35
Adz
Let's do it. Let's do it.

47:00.56
youcantcompthis
Depending on time.

47:04.91
youcantcompthis
We are back. Are you feeling refreshed at are you feeling ready for some more card talk all right? So this is a little bit of a personal segment for me I Just want to do a bit of a a thought experiment.

47:09.78
Adz
I'm I am very much ready for more card talk.

47:23.60
youcantcompthis
I want to spend between 1 and two k what is the best value for money that I can spend at the moment I'm looking at Nico Yoki I want to get some numbered rookie card even if it's ps a 2 that's where ah, that's where my head currently is at.

47:42.62
youcantcompthis
I'm currently looking at the light blue prism pse nine that last sold for 3000 that's probably a bit higher than my than my budget. Let's go to psa eight no sales data. Let's go to raw.

47:51.85
Adz
Oh.

48:00.20
youcantcompthis
Sold for one thousand four hundred and actually pretty recently to may 29 yeah I'll go with that. That's that's my purchase light blue number light blue number to one nine Nine color match I'm down with that at a raw.

48:07.89
Adz
Money. But.

48:14.19
Adz
What is it and psa. It's a raw. Okay, yep, yeah, which is equivalent to the like pretty much the psa 8 right? Yeah I was actually going to light blue prism as well. That was that was actually the car I was looking at.

48:19.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

48:24.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, what do you got for me at.

48:33.50
Adz
Um, let's see if there's a I'm not look you know what? I'm gonna double down um select Twenty I'm gonna have a look I'm gonna ah I like the select and and can I Oh god.

48:34.88
youcantcompthis
Ah, but.

48:39.48
youcantcompthis
You go with select. Okay.

48:53.41
Adz
Yeah, you know it's probably at the higher end of your budget but light blue PSA ten last off two k the die cut is it the diey cut. Yeah I love the diecar love me a die cut and it's that light blue one Ninety nine

48:54.79
youcantcompthis
Sure.

49:00.40
youcantcompthis
Okay, you love Diecards Yeah is it got an autograph on it because if I'm going for select I Either want a game one patch.

49:11.87
Adz
Pulp count of 20 No.

49:19.23
youcantcompthis
And or an autograph do you know what? I mean so if I'm going to step down in product I want to step up in something else. So I'm going to push back on that 1 ad sorry yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

49:19.41
Adz
Yeah, oh okay I'm gonna say it's ps a 10 so that's my low pop ps a 10 is gonna be my my my pushback on it as far as I'm gonna.

49:35.48
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, that's fair, fair all right cool all right that helps me with my next purchase and and some thoughts in that space all right? This next segment is completely.

49:39.30
Adz
Go to try and sell you on it. Premiere level silver and that not him worth it.

49:51.76
youcantcompthis
Unsponsored this is just us talking about what's happening in the card community. So this is from Tyson Beck at Tyson Beck design he's got a new release coming out on the fourth of June now we don't normally talk about tyson's releases, but this is something special in this release.

50:05.96
Adz
It is.

50:09.91
youcantcompthis
Steph Curry dwaye ward Camilla Anthony Allan Iverson Halliburton Rodman going down the list I think that's all the players but basically what he's done is a whole different lot of variance of these 1 of 1 golds number to 25 number to 10

50:20.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

50:26.81
youcantcompthis
There's a whole heap in there now I am yeah right I'm not too sure how this works if you get to pick your card or you're now buying a packet I know cards will be sold by the player. Yeah, right? That's crazy so he is just completely stepping up his game here isn't he.

50:29.10
Adz
Um, is also a jewel order.

50:45.20
Adz
Yeah.

50:46.19
youcantcompthis
Not just doing like 1 athlete at a time now and that is an epic checklist when you read it out like that isn't it. So again Tyson does keep up the great work you are making us aussies proud and we wish you nothing but the best in.

50:51.88
Adz
That is insane.

51:03.73
Adz
When yeah yeah, and when's the when's the drop for the aussies. It's eight thirty Melbourne time on June fourth Eight thirty a m yeah.

51:04.10
youcantcompthis
In this next drop. So we we hope it sells out. Yeah. June the fourth. Yep yeah, all right? Let's do a listener question. Anthony Milne has been a very very very long time listener of us. So thank you Anthony for all your support. Quick question to all you legends in here number to 35 autograph number to 49 same card and player would you sell at the same price as the forty nine value because there's no comp to the 35 is there a value difference. Add what have you got on this.

51:42.38
Adz
At a glance like just off the cuff without too many details I probably tack on a little bit like I'd think it would be a little bit more valuable. Um I don't know what kind of percentage you put on it.

51:43.48
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

51:48.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

51:55.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

51:58.68
Adz
Um, it's not like a difference between the number to 49 and the number to 10 like 35 still a decent. Yeah I don't know I'd find a middle ground if there's no comp on something lower numbered. Um, but the 35 yeah I don't know at 10% 15 that's me off the cuff. Um.

52:08.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

52:14.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely so I think for me my answer in this is very blunt. The 35 is more valuable than the 49 that's like that's it. There's just no further debate on that and I think.

52:17.93
Adz
And expect a little bit more. That's all. Yeah.

52:30.11
youcantcompthis
Sometimes it's very difficult when you are negotiating with people because um, people who are purchasing off you want the best possible price out of you and also don't want to hand over the money and they'll try and basically feed your sorts of nonsense to try and tell you that you know something is not more valuable than something else. But yeah.

52:37.11
Adz
Of course.

52:49.69
youcantcompthis
At the end of the day a card that is number to 35 is more valuable than a 49 ah the way to actually yeah, the way to comp this out is to look at different cards. So if you don't have your exact card and can compar to something else then just find something that's more popular and I think that's the other thing too that.

52:52.61
Adz
Just it's simple maths right.

53:00.48
Adz
Oh.

53:07.88
youcantcompthis
Sometimes we keep going back to the same cards in the show and I know that's a real thing and not that we've actually received criticism on this but my own internal critique is like you know we talk too much about the silvers but there's data points and that gives you something to talk about. You can see the trends moving and so.

53:23.17
Adz
Yeah.

53:27.17
youcantcompthis
Find a popular play that has both the 35 and also the 49 for sale then you can see the price difference between the 2 and then you can literally just extrapolate that out to the card. What you've got so comps work in many many different ways. You don't have to comp the last sale price.

53:30.32
Adz
Oh.

53:38.18
Adz
Yep.

53:44.27
youcantcompthis
Of your card. You can look at other sale prices to then represent that into the card that you've got there. So yeah, you know I think that's a really, that's actually a really good question Anthony and it's not a particularly simple answer and so.

53:48.76
Adz
Spot on? Yeah yeah.

53:58.30
Adz
Well when you're comparing anything you're you're literally comparing something but you're you're trying to when anybody compares something and puts it to another per another party. You're just building a case and it's not right. It's not wrong.

54:09.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right? this next segment is from Instagram.

54:16.43
Adz
You're just justifying the value fire comparison and however you choose to to compare it? Yeah yeah.

54:28.18
youcantcompthis
From market movers app. Okay, and what they've done is they've looked at all of the sold listings on rookies from 2023 from select so number one obviously is victor three point seven thousand sales now.

54:36.94
Adz
And going.

54:45.77
youcantcompthis
The reason why I thought this is an interesting segment is because it's a bit of a heat check on what's going ah on in the rest of the hobby and also we talked about sample size before this is very very good sample size number 2 Yes, which is cool. It's fun. Yeah, ah Miller from.

54:51.27
Adz
Yeah.

54:57.69
Adz
Ah, it's also select which is I like select I like select.

55:05.25
youcantcompthis
Hornets 1000 sales third is Scoot Henderson which I'm surprised about at 624 now for me this is where this actually gets interesting number. 4 is Amen Thompson from the rockets at 4 67 Derek lively at number 5 at 4 sixty one which I think will be going up as we speak.

55:07.27
Adz
Ah.

55:20.60
Adz
I Think so.

55:23.12
youcantcompthis
Number 6 Jamie Huckquez Junior 3 79 Azure Thompson from the pistons at three Twenty Nine Konte George at number 8 3 23 Cam Whitmore from the rockets. So.

55:27.79
Adz
Yep.

55:38.31
youcantcompthis
How that data to me is valuable is that if you're buying into rockets and PyT's you're now getting 2 coveted rookies for that 1 slot. So for me rockets is like quite valuable Brandon excuses my pronunciation podsumesky from the golden state warriors at 2 36 so really interesting for me looking at that.

55:46.63
Adz
Yeah Christmas.

55:56.45
Adz
Ah.

55:57.70
youcantcompthis
My biggest surprise is probably Derek lively for me seeing a rookie center up that high is a very pleasant surprise. What's your biggest surprise or disappointment in that list.

56:05.55
Adz
Yeah.

56:13.69
Adz
Ah, wouldn't say disappointment but the yeah lively lively's a bit of a shock actually Miller I guess he's is he gonna go under the radar is playing on a terrible team like the hornet's something that's gonna.

56:30.99
Adz
Impact I get it high pick but how much have we paid attention to the hornets all year

56:37.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so my comp on this is and it's probably not the best comp but I'm gonna say this is like the la mallow ball Anthony Edwards rookie year thing where there was so much height going into. Lalo Ball and there's so much hype going into victor and look rightfully so I'm not trying to poo-poo either plays in this space by any means. But.

57:00.57
Adz
In the comp is when Bianao Lamelo ball because I think this ends differently? Yeah yeah.

57:06.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no definitely right? But what? Ah where I'm going with this is like okay fine. So you you take out the top guy start prospecting you know down the list a bit more where is the value to be had and I think you can make a pretty reasonable argument that Brandon Miller is like.

57:17.76
Adz
Yeah.

57:24.20
youcantcompthis
A little bit undervalued because of how much hype is going into victor small market team. The team was absolute terrible this year and despite that I actually thought Miller played pretty well and the second half of the season too. You could see he was working some things out. You know there was definitely some movement.

57:28.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

57:39.28
Adz
True.

57:42.40
youcantcompthis
In the right space for this kid. So you know I actually thought he's pretty promising probably the other surprise to me too is the 2 Thompson Brothers because both of them aren't particularly highlight players.

57:47.42
Adz
Um, yeah, yeah.

57:56.40
Adz
Um, yeah thompsons. Yeah, the thompsons I mean hark airs was was not a surprise. Um, he really had a good sort of year with the heat I don't know it's a solid little list actually.

58:05.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, it is yeah it's a fun, fun little heat Check I think we can say that.

58:13.66
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it gives it gives you an idea of what people are buying and selling in the market. Um selects not the most popular product but it gives you ratios and numbers to work with and no surprises about webby though.

58:16.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

58:24.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

58:31.40
youcantcompthis
Vince Carter has had his Jersey retired by the New Jersey nats or the Brooklyn nets whichever you generation that you grew up in what is your favorite Vince Carter memory Adam

58:38.33
Adz
The nets.

58:43.93
Adz
The dunk competition that's literally the only real one like.

58:46.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

58:53.10
Adz
The only one I've got is really like I wasn't a massive Vince Carter fan so yeah yeah, yeah, there is. It's the one that they try to replicate I guess yeah.

58:58.91
youcantcompthis
Are you talking about the one where he did the it's all over thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So I think that's the same dun competition where he literally put his arm through the ring and then hung on by his elbow that was yeah so definitely I have fun memories of that I think.

59:18.65
Adz
Yep.

59:25.81
youcantcompthis
I did like him hooking up with Jason Kidd in New Jersey I think that was very iconic and probably at that point too I was having better accessibility to watching games. So I definitely watched.

59:41.22
Adz
It's a good point. Yeah.

59:41.57
youcantcompthis
And they made the finals for a couple of years two didn't they with Kenyon Martin and and yeah I think probably where I like Vince Carter a lot is the way he evolved over his career and that at the start he was just this you know dunk machine.

59:57.17
Adz
M.

59:59.79
youcantcompthis
And then he became sort of still a dunk machine but like a bit of a mid-range guy and a post-up guy and then he added the three ball towards the end and then he was still playing in his forty s and doing those mentoring roles and like I liked those sort of those narratives and those stories. So actually I'm really glad that.

01:00:09.86
Adz
Yeah, yep.

01:00:16.56
youcantcompthis
The nets are retiring New Jersey for that little bit of respect and yeah now we can't have a card show and not talk about some Vince Carter card so we've never spoken about this card. So let's do it. 9098 Topps Chrome Vince Carter

01:00:18.49
Adz
I Definitely deserves that respect too for sure.

01:00:34.16
youcantcompthis
Ps a nine last sold for $1000 nine hundred and seventy six usd I think that's kind of cool. The interesting thing about this though for me is the population on it I'm going to do a bit of guesswork game with you here? Ma what do you think a psa nine pop.

01:00:35.89
Adz
Nice.

01:00:53.68
Adz
And which cards this the.

01:00:53.99
youcantcompthis
Is 9098 Topps Chrome don't look it up that's cheating just have a bit of a guess. Yeah on the pop on the p a 9

01:01:01.13
Adz
The pop we're looking for a pop p a nine um is that just a base and like the refractor. Um, ah.

01:01:11.61
youcantcompthis
The refractor. Sorry yeah, yeah, yeah, three forty six and on the psa 10 the pop is 38 so yeah and the last sold.

01:01:16.96
Adz
200

01:01:21.70
Adz
All. Wow.

01:01:27.23
youcantcompthis
On the psa ten is 4900 so there's a very big price difference between the 2 cards. But again we always love to talk about different price points on the show. So do you like that as a a buy holder or sell though with that price. Well either.

01:01:30.10
Adz
Oh. Yeah.

01:01:42.64
Adz
The psa nine on the psa ten I'm not sure how I feel about the psa 10 the nines the nines. Okay for vince carter fan Thousand bucks yeah Yeah, yeah, um

01:01:52.36
youcantcompthis
He's an iconic player.

01:01:59.80
Adz
I mean it wouldn't be part of my personal chase but you could have people there that might and and I ah like hearing stories about people's Pcs and they want and I'll use the example say dunk competition Champions you know what? I mean like they're putting together a display of.

01:02:02.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:14.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:19.87
Adz
Dunk competition winners or participants memorable dunk comps. So you'll have Carter there. You'll have Zach Levine you do you know? I mean like you get different people from different eras. So I mean that could be in but I think the psa nine is not a bad bit of value for that.

01:02:25.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:32.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look I think I would probably because the way I look at this card I'm looking this is a historical card. So then I would need to look you know more deeply into this but just off the top of my head I'd rather spend that 5000 on on a Hakim rookie even if it was like a psa 7 or a psa 6

01:02:39.18
Adz
Oh.

01:02:49.31
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:51.43
youcantcompthis
Even James worthy like I actually think you know if you're doing ah a direct comp between someone like Vince Carter you kind of say well James worthy was yes he was a support piece but he was also a champion to and I think that's something that you know Vc could never you know, get over the hill with all right.

01:02:55.99
Adz
Ah, yeah.

01:03:02.50
Adz
Good. Yeah yeah.

01:03:08.30
youcantcompthis
We got time for 1 more thing. So why don't we do a listener question which is from James Gregory pick this up from my pc hey let me do that again was need to edit that out. Sorry it blooms.

01:03:13.30
Adz
Okay.

01:03:23.85
Adz
For good.

01:03:27.41
youcantcompthis
1 hour 3 means twenty twenty seconds around that point this question is from James Gregory pick this up for my pc from sports card world in Adelaide last week

01:03:35.99
Adz
Yep.

01:03:46.44
youcantcompthis
Marvin Williams is never at any shops or any stores so he was very very happy to pick this up question for the podcast Marvin was in the Nba for 14 seasons who else in your opinion had a long career without really making a big impact or winning an Mba championship. So I mean the easy one here the the clickbait one is is Chris Paul and what has Chris Paul ever done and then the guy we just spoke about then to is you know Vince Carter like he was in there for a really long time and you know Didt win a championship what comes to your mind straight away out.

01:04:15.77
Adz
Vince Carter

01:04:22.41
Adz
I I was I was I was going to make one of the jokes I'm just reading through the comments I was gonna make the same joke that Matthew hull made and say lebron James but.

01:04:37.38
youcantcompthis
Ah, come on.

01:04:39.17
Adz
We did follow silly auto correct and say Luka and I thought it was inappropriate now that Lucas sort of stepping up since I'm on the Dallas bandw and I'm not going to say Luka um.

01:04:50.47
youcantcompthis
You can't say Luka his career is not even nearly over.

01:04:57.35
Adz
Um, um, yeah I don't know without without having it but but you can't say yeah maybe someone like. Now they made big impacts like I was going to name players like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley that never sort of got to the that won a championship but they they had impact on the league. Do you know what? I mean? yeah.

01:05:15.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, so this is from statmusse.com So Statm Muse of basically for all those pieces of stats that are interesting but really have no place. That's where you find them on Statmusse. So.

01:05:32.44
Adz
Oh.

01:05:36.60
youcantcompthis
Players with no nba championships and the most years played Vince Carter is number 1 at 22 years Jamal Crawford at 20 Chris Paul at 19 camelo Anthony at 19 carmalo at 19 Charles Oakley John Stockton at 1918 years Joe Johnson Steve Nash Germain O'neill Jerry stakhouse

01:05:42.81
Adz
Oh.

01:05:56.70
youcantcompthis
Kurt Thomas Grant Hill to Ken be motombo Clifford Robinson ah R Rop Reggie Miller Terry Cummings Danny Chase Herb Williams Tree Rollins

01:05:56.89
Adz
Or Grant Hill's a good one.

01:06:10.77
youcantcompthis
17 years Mike Conley al horford that young Rudy Gay Lou Williams that's actually a super fun question when you answer it like that isn't it. Who's your biggest surprise listening to that list. Yeah.

01:06:19.63
Adz
Um, um, yeah horford, it's shocked that he didn't eat Well the subjects have been unlucky I guess but nash. Yeah.

01:06:29.34
youcantcompthis
Steve Nash Camel or Anthony it to sha mallow couldn't get you know one ring to get his name off this list considering all the other things he did in his career final thought sorry.

01:06:34.51
Adz
Yes.

01:06:39.57
Adz
True, Very true, Any current players any current players I'd say Paul george.

01:06:49.50
youcantcompthis
Ah, yeah, okay, the list doesn't go any further down than seventeen years Paul George is not on that list. But so so Mike Conley's been around for 17 years in the Nba that's that's crazy

01:06:50.31
Adz
Of the current that I think you'll play for a while is still won't knee wide be is only a dozen or so but yeah, yeah.

01:07:05.17
youcantcompthis
He's in really good shape for 17 years hey the other one actually I want to talk about really quickly. It's also a segue Reggie Miller his commentary has actually been really good. He's really improved in that space I used to find him annoying and just super weird whereas now i'm.

01:07:08.90
Adz
It's true. Get 1

01:07:13.51
Adz
Yep.

01:07:17.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:24.12
youcantcompthis
I'm totally down with what he says he's.

01:07:25.87
Adz
Do you feel like he's embraced his role as a commentator like he's really not become a villain but ah, but he's sort of taken on a persona. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah I like it I like I feel like he's sort of yeah.

01:07:29.69
youcantcompthis
But he's not over the top. Yeah yeah.

01:07:39.19
Adz
He's taken it. He's evolved as a commentator. Yeah.

01:07:40.75
youcantcompthis
Absolutely all right? Add Let's tie this bad boy off final thoughts. What have you got for me.

01:07:46.94
Adz
Final thoughts. Ah this this may be a very short period of time where I am fully on board the luca train and and wishing Luka Dondagege and Kyrie Irving all the best in their endeavors into the Mba finals.

01:08:00.27
youcantcompthis
You are a bandwagon Luca fan and I do not approve of this at all. In fact I I disapprove.

01:08:06.70
Adz
I'm I'm I'm self self- professed Luca bandwagon jumper anything to see the boston celtaxs not win a title as much as I do like Tatum um, yeah.

01:08:22.49
Adz
Yeah, very nice. Thank you.

01:08:23.63
youcantcompthis
Alrighty guys. Thank you so much for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show have a wonderful day.

01:08:28.37
Adz
We'll see you next time.