Episode 148: NBA Finals special! Luka, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Porzingis, Jrue Holiday, White, Lively,

Episode 148 is our NBA Finals special! Since we last recorded games 1 to 4 have transpired and we broke down every game from the on the court perspective and the hobby impacts.
Game 1;, 
Porzingis  and Luka 

Game 2;
Jayson Tatum,  Jrue Holiday Rookie cards
Brian Windhorst / Adam Amy Quote
Game 3:
Jerry West RIP,    YCCT tribute
Game 4:
Porzingis vs lively

Listener question: Anthony Milne
WNBA update, CC off team USA, CC index, CC game moved to larger venue

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Transcript

00:00:17.39
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 148 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast, where your host, Russell Gibson, and out of Amy, oh my God, the NBA Finals almost passed us by.

00:00:32.91
youcantcompthis
That's right. We need didn't get an episode in before it finished.

00:00:34.85
Adz
yeah it Oh my goodness, it was like, oh yeah, game one's on in a couple of days, it'd be all right, and then,

00:00:36.52
youcantcompthis
So I mean, I do love a good conspiracy.

00:00:45.33
Adz
and I don't know. Lucky um Scott Foster was refereeing game four is all I can say. um

00:00:54.43
youcantcompthis
You all know that, but let's be honest, Scott Foster didn't make a difference in game four. It was. A couple of Mavericks moving their feet. That was amazing, isn't it?

00:01:04.91
Adz
Yeah, or or a few slow Celtics. What are the other? It was, yeah. Yeah. Interesting finals, hey.

00:01:14.26
youcantcompthis
I've really been enjoying it so far. I'm not going to lie to you, but at the same time, it has been a little bit one-sided to a certain Boston team. so

00:01:23.08
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

00:01:26.38
youcantcompthis
Anyway, we're going to deep dive into this a little bit.

00:01:26.41
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:01:29.08
youcantcompthis
Hey, I'm going to segue just straight away, ad because just I want to give a shout out to the Australian Girls Choir and in particular, the Novice Group, which my daughter is in.

00:01:31.92
Adz
Straight off the bat.

00:01:40.86
youcantcompthis
We went to their performance today. And for what these five year olds lacked in talent, they very much made up with enthusiasm and cuteness. And it was a very, very enjoyable experience. And then to see the the bigger girls, which is not really the right thing to say, the grown women come out and perform for everybody. They're just insanely talented and just had a really fantastic day. So I've had a very proud dad moment today.

00:02:06.34
Adz
Nice.

00:02:06.59
youcantcompthis
And I definitely wanted to share that with the... Instead of talking about the weather, I thought I could talk about

00:02:13.00
Adz
That was a that was a very, yeah, very, very unique segue.

00:02:19.57
youcantcompthis
I think after 145 or so, 148 episodes, it's okay to have, you know, one small proud dad moment, isn't it?

00:02:25.05
Adz
its and youre You're welcome to have proud dad moments every episode.

00:02:27.49
youcantcompthis
Nah, we don't need that. Just once in our every 148 episodes, I can have a proud dad moment.

00:02:32.97
Adz
hit I had a proud dad moment in the NBA playoffs.

00:02:33.88
youcantcompthis
So oh yeah, like what?

00:02:36.97
Adz
My boy, my boy Derek Wyatt stepping up, killing it for the Boston Celtics.

00:02:45.60
youcantcompthis
You're his dad?

00:02:49.44
youcantcompthis
This is getting awkward, man.

00:02:50.13
Adz
This is going to get really awkward really fast. So let's go back to the actual run.

00:02:54.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, let's get back to it. All right. So the rundown for today's game, what we're going to do is there's actually four games for us to break down.

00:03:00.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:00.19
youcantcompthis
That's how long it's been since we've podcasted and also how the schedule's broken for us. So what we're going to do is we're going each going to have a turn of putting forward one or two thoughts about each game.

00:03:09.03
Adz
Mmm.

00:03:12.56
youcantcompthis
And then we're going to talk about one or two players each for each game. And then we'll go through it each game chronologically. So if you'd like to open up the the proceedings, Adam, with game one, what were your your takeaways from game one?

00:03:23.19
Adz
Uh, my, my, my takeaways from game one was if this was a reality check, how good the Celtics were, uh, and that Kristaps Porzingis was literally the difference

00:03:31.05
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

00:03:37.11
Adz
between the two teams. ah The Celtics won by 19.

00:03:38.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:03:42.58
Adz
Paul Zingas scored 20 points. Like he was literally the difference um in game one. they They had no answer for him. And yeah, it's like, Luca came to play ah and Kyrie didn't. that was That was my other takeaway from the Dallas side of things.

00:04:01.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:04:02.88
Adz
Pretty pretty simple game one there.

00:04:04.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah. So game one Celtics 107 Mavericks 89. So either you have an amazing memory or you had the point differential written down. Either way, I'm impressed, mate.

00:04:15.54
Adz
I made that I made a comment to somebody saying that posing us was literally the difference.

00:04:15.80
youcantcompthis
And actually,

00:04:18.98
Adz
I remember my yep.

00:04:19.44
youcantcompthis
Ah, right. Okay. Okay. That's how you remember it. Anyway, well done. that's That's very good. So just for listeners at home, we haven't, Adam and I haven't shared our notes because we want it to be more spontaneous. And Porzingis was the first thing that I had listed in mind, but my Porzingis tag, I'll just add to yours.

00:04:32.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:36.39
youcantcompthis
I think we all need to remember that Porzingis is an insanely talented guy, but the issue with this fellow is the injury history, right?

00:04:40.71
Adz
Hmm.

00:04:44.10
youcantcompthis
And so I think we've had the Porzingis special in this series already. So game one and two, he suited up and then get halfway through game two, he injured himself.

00:04:50.75
Adz
Yeah, yeah. yeah

00:04:55.83
youcantcompthis
took game three off and then he was back for game four, you know, which is probably the most pausing thing that we can do. I think the other thing we need to remember too, from the team building perspective, he was essentially traded for Robert Williams. So it was just an absolute home run in terms of upgrading their talent there.

00:05:08.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:11.03
youcantcompthis
And and and everything you said I agree with, he was just absolutely amazing. So he played 20 minutes, he was eight of 13 from the floor, six rebounds and three blocks. And that was probably the thing that I thought Yes, his shooting was impactful. it Like, of course it was, but defensively, he really gave them a lot of troubles. And interestingly, his three blocks, I probably counted five. So I think sometimes, you know, the statistics don't always play out exactly how you think it's going to be.

00:05:37.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:37.96
youcantcompthis
So the other note I made, too, is that the Celtics were wearing the the Bill Walton t-shirt. So I think in a very respectful way, you know, RIP Bill Walton, and we've all got our

00:05:46.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:51.66
youcantcompthis
Bill well Walton memory. what's What's your favorite Bill Walton memory? ah

00:05:56.16
Adz
I don't really have a Bill Walton memory.

00:05:57.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:05:59.14
Adz
Um, yeah, no, he was never really like not, not a major memory.

00:06:03.94
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:06:05.06
Adz
That sounds very one-dimensional from my Lakers-centric view of of basketball history, but yeah.

00:06:12.48
youcantcompthis
No, not at all. So I think my Walton memory is the the commentary. That was my first introduction to him because he had a very particular voice and also commentary style.

00:06:19.03
Adz
Mmm.

00:06:23.66
youcantcompthis
And he was a bit of an eccentric dude, which I kind of i like that. And he had that real back and forth with Snapper, Mark Jones. do You remember that when they did the NBC games?

00:06:31.97
Adz
Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

00:06:33.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:06:34.03
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:06:35.02
youcantcompthis
And so that was my introduction to him. And then I think as I sort of started to learn more about NBA history, then he was involved with those Portland Trailblazer teams where he was essentially, uh, the, not the Godfather, but he was part of that, the beautiful game concept of, you know, he's really like the, the person who taught nickel, yokey, how to play basketball.

00:06:41.25
Adz
Yep.

00:06:56.57
youcantcompthis
And so I love all that type of stuff and, you know, the passing big man and stuff like that.

00:06:57.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:01.03
youcantcompthis
So yeah, that's my.

00:07:02.41
Adz
Big mentor for the for the game. Literally a mentor for the game.

00:07:04.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah. um Alrighty, so card wise for game one, I've got Luca Doncic down and I think you've already touched on this, his performance. But I think for me, the really interesting part about the cards is what you would expect is that he would be up and he'd be up a lot because we're heading into the finals.

00:07:20.27
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:07:22.76
youcantcompthis
But if you go to his silver PSA 10 history, You look at the last three months, he's only up 1.9%. But if you look at the graph, it's a steep upward and a steep downward. Now, if you zoom into the last two weeks, he's actually minus 36%. So he has had a huge drop off around this. So wi we're going to talk about this again with Jason Tatum and then later in the and the podcast, you know, time dependent.

00:07:40.38
Adz
Wow Mmm

00:07:47.26
youcantcompthis
We're gonna do it a listener question which is basically you know leading to this and this is not the first time we've actually observed this we've had previous years where we've said oh let's hold on to these cards and sell them at this time because this is a good time to sell it but I think This is not again, not the first time I've said this, but now I'm solidifying this thought process. I think what happens is the market gets flooded. So everyone else has this crazy good idea that you have. Okay. Let's hold onto these cards for the right time.

00:08:11.81
Adz
yeah

00:08:14.03
youcantcompthis
But then also what happens is there's a lot more of them for sale. So Luca peaked at 1.8,000 and his last sales 1.2 K. So, you know,

00:08:27.97
youcantcompthis
Look, I do think this is probably going to be a sub 1000 card again. That's my gut feeling on this because I think, you know, the big dogs like Luca, people do sort of tend to come in and come out on them.

00:08:36.90
Adz
Yeah. True.

00:08:41.27
youcantcompthis
In saying that I have a lot of trouble seeing the floor go less than $900 on this, particularly he has played really well, but they just haven't had the team success there. So what's your card for, for game one?

00:08:55.15
Adz
Well, I was just going to go with Christaps.

00:08:58.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, do that. that's That's an awesome one, yeah.

00:09:00.33
Adz
Given that he's actually...

00:09:04.16
Adz
Well, he hasn't really played a lot since game one, so we're probably not going to talk about him again.

00:09:07.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:09:10.24
Adz
His silver PSA 10 last sold $152.50, which is a bit of ah a drop ah in recent in recent times.

00:09:16.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:09:20.80
Adz
I've got the six month starter up, but let's...

00:09:21.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:09:23.84
Adz
Yeah, it's sort of taken a bit of ah a, it had gone as high as 189, oh, 190 US recently.

00:09:30.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

00:09:31.25
Adz
So, but yeah, bit of a drip drop off there, over 152.

00:09:31.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:09:35.33
youcantcompthis
In the last 12 months, what's his overall tracking?

00:09:38.14
Adz
What are we looking for? one There is a year. It's a rollercoaster. It's um it's actually a up, down,

00:09:43.49
youcantcompthis
Okay. Up and down. What's the aggregate though? Because you know, it tells you.

00:09:49.14
Adz
Yep, starting price 149, current price 150, average price was 145.

00:09:55.27
youcantcompthis
Okay. So he basically in 12 months hasn't moved at all.

00:09:57.03
Adz
Yeah, yep.

00:09:58.23
youcantcompthis
Okay, interesting.

00:09:59.51
Adz
Low price of 77, high price of 200.

00:09:59.68
youcantcompthis
I actually thought he would have been.

00:10:02.94
Adz
So I'm talking real rollercoaster.

00:10:03.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right. So really does depend on where you bought that card. Yeah.

00:10:07.48
Adz
Yep.

00:10:08.26
youcantcompthis
So I would have thought over the last 12 months, he'd be up overall about 10%. That would have been my guess.

00:10:13.00
Adz
ah Six months is up 22%.

00:10:16.83
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:10:18.05
Adz
Uh, one year, he's only up 2%, two years, he's down 50%.

00:10:20.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:23.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

00:10:25.43
Adz
So, I mean, obviously pausing us, uh, that the two year data is, yeah, there's a sale two years ago. It was like $325. When was that?

00:10:34.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:35.44
Adz
Was that when he went to, when he went to Dallas?

00:10:40.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:42.03
Adz
Wow.

00:10:43.01
youcantcompthis
No, so we went Dallas to Washington, didn't he?

00:10:45.47
Adz
Yeah, to Washington to to Boston.

00:10:46.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:47.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:48.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:50.29
Adz
Interesting. But yeah, Pozingis. Yeah, he but he was definitely he's my highlight for game one. It just was the difference like Boston are a good unit.

00:10:57.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:11:00.11
Adz
I think that that's one of the things that come to the to was glaringly obvious how well well spread and how balanced the team they are. They're just they're a deep team. They're they're Their one to six is better than Dallas's one to six.

00:11:15.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's my feeling.

00:11:15.95
Adz
And that's, and that's not, yeah.

00:11:17.50
youcantcompthis
It's three versus seven. That's how I feel about this series already.

00:11:19.95
Adz
Yep.

00:11:21.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:11:21.17
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:11:22.36
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:11:22.53
Adz
Definitely.

00:11:23.26
youcantcompthis
Game two, Celtics 107, Mavericks 89. Jason Tatum is my highlight player from this game. Six of 22 from the field, nine rebounds, 12 assists, one steal.

00:11:34.36
Adz
Yep. Interesting.

00:11:41.28
youcantcompthis
three turnovers and 18 points and this is for me a really funny one because you might say well why am I highlighting this game when he was six from 22 but actually this is probably my favorite Jason Tatum game of the series so far because

00:11:55.20
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:11:56.63
youcantcompthis
I think one thing I love about basketball is when you can impact the game without scoring. And obviously he took a lot of shots and he should have made a couple more. Like that's not really what I'm getting to.

00:12:05.48
Adz
Sure, sure.

00:12:06.31
youcantcompthis
However, the 12 assists for me was absolutely, you know, amazing.

00:12:10.04
Adz
He switched it up, yeah.

00:12:10.57
youcantcompthis
And also too, the box score doesn't always capture everything. Like defensively, he was again, very good.

00:12:15.65
Adz
It was great.

00:12:16.05
youcantcompthis
And then Nine rebounds again, that's like, that's a very strong line.

00:12:20.39
Adz
It it was one rebound off a triple double.

00:12:22.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And so, you know, I really love that a lot.

00:12:23.58
Adz
Like,

00:12:26.03
youcantcompthis
And I think if you're contrasting Luca to Tatum, this is where you take that box going and you say, well, look, this is what Luca can't do.

00:12:29.87
Adz
Hmm.

00:12:33.16
youcantcompthis
You know, he can't defend. He does rebound pretty well, but you know, Luca hadn't had 12 assists in, in the first game.

00:12:36.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:41.37
youcantcompthis
In fact, if we can just backtrack a little bit to game one,

00:12:42.33
Adz
Sure.

00:12:46.24
youcantcompthis
when Luca only had one assist and actually I had to go back and watch game one and work out how the Celtics actually did that to them because I just didn't understand how they basically played so perfectly on defense. And so I completely skipped this from the game one breakdown. Anyway, let's just backtrack a little bit. So basically what they did was this is my amateur breakdown of the Celtics.

00:13:06.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:10.65
youcantcompthis
They basically switched every pick and roll and then the help only came off very particular players. And actually in game one, they played very little. help defense at all, all like just about all one and one.

00:13:20.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:21.41
youcantcompthis
If you go back and watch it, it's almost like a masterclass. And then they were so particular about the people that they helped off that they were only leaving open the shooters that they wanted to. It was just really, really good defensive execution.

00:13:35.16
Adz
yeah

00:13:36.06
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And that's why Luca only had one assist because he had literally, he had no one to pass the ball up to lobs. And then when he was passing to shooters, they were the shooters that

00:13:46.72
Adz
They already had, yeah.

00:13:46.93
youcantcompthis
the Celtics wanted to be shooting. So yeah. And look, that's probably a good little like contrast of ah of the two guys of, you know, where they're at.

00:13:49.75
Adz
Yep.

00:13:54.81
youcantcompthis
And I think we're going to go into one of your like very famous quotes in a second down the run sheet here. But like, Luca does have to get better and he does have to get better defensively. And then yeah,

00:14:07.84
Adz
he also He also needs the people around him to sort of step up as well. Like, Luca can't do it all.

00:14:13.41
youcantcompthis
He can't do it all, but you can actually see the areas where he has to improve.

00:14:15.74
Adz
Mmm.

00:14:16.61
youcantcompthis
And I think if we're being honest about it, he hasn't, particularly in game stream 4, we're skipping ahead a little bit here, but there was a few possessions when he didn't even try and defend. He was just doing like the whole Matador thing.

00:14:25.43
Adz
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:26.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:14:27.62
Adz
Yep. It's true.

00:14:28.20
youcantcompthis
And I don't, I don't think you can compare Luca's body to Tatum's because obviously they're two different athletes, but it does seem like Luca could still has some gains in that sort of athleticism slash conditioning department too.

00:14:28.65
Adz
It's true.

00:14:41.31
Adz
I tell you what, for those playing at home, I'm about to defend Luca Doncic.

00:14:45.87
youcantcompthis
Okay, go, go.

00:14:46.79
Adz
Don't don't get used to it.

00:14:49.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:14:49.17
Adz
Um, I reckon he was nursing a crack he's nursing a cracked rib or something. He had padding on his chest at the beginning of game two. It looked like he was being warmed.

00:15:00.82
youcantcompthis
ah So that's confirmed. Yeah, so that's confirmed.

00:15:02.33
Adz
Like, ah is it a cracked rib?

00:15:04.24
youcantcompthis
Well, it's confirmed that he's been having pain killing injections into that area.

00:15:08.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:09.04
youcantcompthis
And they haven't actually said if it's cracked rib or it's strained muscles around the ribs, but basically that's what they've been getting to.

00:15:16.01
Adz
Okay, so the the amount of pain he was in for game two, you could see it.

00:15:17.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:15:20.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

00:15:20.64
Adz
um

00:15:23.56
Adz
I'm not saying that excuses his lack of defensive effort, but that's gonna make his ability to exert himself somewhat difficult.

00:15:31.60
youcantcompthis
Also, you think it's a fatigue thing of why he's playing like that?

00:15:31.64
Adz
But I think being, yeah, yeah, I do.

00:15:35.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:15:36.29
Adz
I actually, he realizes the stakes they're playing for. This is the playoffs. This isn't the regular season where you can watch plays happen and go, you know what? We'll just win the next one kind of thing.

00:15:48.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

00:15:48.29
Adz
This is the playoff. I think he knows the stakes. Um, we were very, it was not long from the national anthem happening in game two and they were padding him up, like trying to protect or warm those ribs minutes from the game, minutes before tip off.

00:16:04.76
youcantcompthis
yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:16:08.79
Adz
It was like, wow. Okay. That's, um, that must be a serious injury to keep him sort of nursed up like that. But that said, you've got, if if you're the coach and you know that your star player is cooked like that, you've got to make some adjustments, don't you?

00:16:25.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:16:25.89
Adz
And the adjustment can't be, Luca will get it done.

00:16:29.15
youcantcompthis
I agree with that. Actually, I think the ball should have started with Kyrie a little bit more. Like if you do know the guys that banged up, why aren't you starting sets with someone else? And let's be honest, Kyrie can still c create offense.

00:16:39.57
Adz
Well, that yes, and my my big criticism of the the Mavericks, which funnily enough, wasn't Luca for games one and two, it was Kyrie. Like, Kyrie went missing.

00:16:50.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:16:51.98
Adz
and And this is the playoffs. This is this is the NBA Finals.

00:16:55.86
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:16:56.49
Adz
You can't, there's no time to um no time to go go missing. and And look, I mean, that's my big summary of games one and two is it just seemed like the the Celtics have the deeper team. They've got the better people around their stars.

00:17:09.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

00:17:10.79
Adz
um Yeah.

00:17:11.86
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, I think what we should do is we'll take a break. And then when we come back from the break, we'll continue our breakdown of game two, because I've still got a little bit more to touch on.

00:17:14.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:19.86
Adz
Perfect.

00:17:21.79
youcantcompthis
Thank you very much to the Hobby Hangout for supporting us. We can't be thankful enough for all of the support you've been giving to us. Hobby Hangout was in Sydney today.

00:17:32.07
Adz
Yes!

00:17:32.41
youcantcompthis
So that's done and dusted. So looking forward to the next one, the 30th of June, which is going to be at the Melbourne Pavilion. will be there podcasting. We've got Lane Pierce doing some workshops. We've got the panel headed by Matthew Payne. We've got the boys from Double Coverage. They'll be podcasting too. So but a bit of podcast battle happening, Adam.

00:17:54.82
Adz
Nice looking forward to it.

00:17:55.64
youcantcompthis
For local supremacy, yeah. Trading zones will be there of course, and then we've got a whole bunch of stalls there, so in no random order, or should I say in total random order. Card slab, fire spin collectibles, shiny cards traders, bayside collectibles, rocket collectibles, Peter's goat cards, that's a funny one, lunar card, pumps off gaming, e-side collectibles support, fast break, the boys at fast break will be there, collector space, and J switch collectibles, tickets,

00:18:23.35
Adz
Nice.

00:18:27.57
youcantcompthis
at thehobbyhangout.com.au. Don't forget the AU, Russ, and you'll be directed there to where you can buy tickets for that great event. 30th of June, Melbourne Pavilion. Thank you to the team at the Hobby Hangout for your support. All righty, we're back.

00:18:47.98
Adz
We're back.

00:18:48.64
youcantcompthis
We're back for part two. All righty. So Jason Tatum was my note. So let's talk a little bit of Jason Tatum cards. Now this is the the exact same picture that we just painted for Luca Doncic is actually happened for Jason Tatum. So the last three months he's down 10%. The last two weeks he's down nearly 20%. He's down 17%. So what what I'm putting to you here now at is that his last sold price is 805.

00:19:18.52
Adz
Aww.

00:19:19.53
youcantcompthis
Still, what, $400 cheaper than a Luca? Population on this is 874. So again, there's a lot less of these than the Lucas. Is this a better buy than a Luca? Because, you know, without going ah out on too much of a limb, statistically for a team to come back from a 3-0 deficit, it's never been done in the finals. I think it's pretty safe to say the Celtics are going to win the championship this year. with Jason Tatum being the go-to guy. I'm not saying he's the best player.

00:19:51.46
youcantcompthis
I think there's been a ah lot of media speculation being said about that already, but he's definitely the go-to guy.

00:19:57.38
Adz
Mm, I think i think ta eight at I think Tatum's a buy.

00:19:58.69
youcantcompthis
What do you think? A Tatum for 805.

00:20:05.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:20:07.46
Adz
Look at the pop count, it's under a thousand. There's so many upsides to this card.

00:20:12.58
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:20:13.18
Adz
I mean, they're all, there yeah, yep. There's no, I can't really, yeah, mince my words with it, it's a buy.

00:20:22.20
youcantcompthis
So my only thought about this, and I don't disagree with what you just said, this is more of a big picture, like far zoomed out thought bubble now, but we've had a lot of downward movement in the hobby in the last couple of years. And so no one really knows where the bottom is.

00:20:41.91
Adz
This is true.

00:20:43.02
youcantcompthis
So where I'm going with this is i what I worry about with all this unnumbered stuff is this, in my opinion, this is the stuff that will slide first. So if you're going to spend 800 USD, should you be getting something numbered?

00:20:52.73
Adz
Interesting, interesting.

00:20:56.79
youcantcompthis
That's my only sort of added to this.

00:20:57.68
Adz
o all alright

00:21:00.20
youcantcompthis
And so let's just say that your your budget's eight hundred dollars, like that's totally fine.

00:21:05.63
Adz
oh

00:21:06.15
youcantcompthis
Do you just try and get I'm just doing this really quickly now, a BGS nine. of the blue numbered to 199 last sold, it was a long time ago, it was $750.

00:21:15.99
Adz
Ooh,

00:21:18.00
youcantcompthis
Actually, it was July of last year, it's not that long ago. The pop on that's 39.

00:21:24.01
Adz
all right.

00:21:24.60
youcantcompthis
I just wonder if, yeah.

00:21:24.83
Adz
I'm looking at the PSA 10 of the blue and it's 2000 US.

00:21:30.17
youcantcompthis
So that's, that's a lot. But I think the compromise there though is you'd have to if you want to keep to that specific budget, you do have to like drop your grade.

00:21:31.77
Adz
PSA 10, yeah. and

00:21:38.10
Adz
drop your Drop your grade a bit. Okay, so PSA 9 last sold in April this year for 670.

00:21:43.27
youcantcompthis
Oh, for 670. Okay, I'm totally fine with that.

00:21:46.29
Adz
Pop 69, yeah.

00:21:47.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:21:49.74
Adz
um I'm definitely okay with that.

00:21:51.35
youcantcompthis
I think this is a bigger conversation for another day, but I do just, I'm worrying about this more and more, to be honest with you, this sort of unnumbered high population stuff, we're not really sure exactly where the bottom is.

00:21:58.37
Adz
a

00:22:02.74
youcantcompthis
So

00:22:04.08
Adz
ah Is the silver that is silver concerning because it's such high population now?

00:22:09.71
youcantcompthis
Absolutely. And not so much in the Tatum stuff, but you know.

00:22:10.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:13.03
Adz
yeah no So what i' what i'm what I'm getting at is, so the top's chrome. So there's the tops, and then there's the tops Chrome, and then there's the tops Chrome refractor, right?

00:22:20.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:22.72
Adz
The refractors are rare as hen's teeth. But the tops Chrome, say, I'll use Kobe or a LeBron as the example. They're the ones with those mid-ish population counts, like the Kobe's at tops Chrome, BGS 9.5 is, I think it's 500 and something, is the pop count.

00:22:42.00
youcantcompthis
Sure. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

00:22:44.18
Adz
I'm gonna look this up and speak factually, how's that?

00:22:47.80
youcantcompthis
so

00:22:49.25
Adz
But, the point I'm making is, is that, is the pop count becoming the problem?

00:23:04.00
Adz
God, that's the wrong card. Not toot to chrome, tops chrome. Right.

00:23:20.10
Adz
So the TOPS Chrome, PSA 10 population is 837. Not the refractor, just the base TOPS Chrome. BGS 9.5744.

00:23:37.12
Adz
That's not the refractor, that's the base.

00:23:43.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's a much older card. I mean, what you could do is to give yourself sort of some reassurances, is look back pre COVID and sort of look at the prices then and maybe add four or 5% per year and say, maybe that's a more conservative number of what you should be paying for something.

00:23:54.36
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:24:07.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:08.16
youcantcompthis
And if it's in ballpark of that, then maybe say, okay, like like that's okay.

00:24:11.95
Adz
Average price over the last two years has been 2500 of the of the Kobe and that's got a population of seven but close to 750. So that's BGS 9.5 as well. Sorry.

00:24:24.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it is a bit muddier when we're comparing cards of different errors, particularly with BGS when it was such a powerhouse at that time.

00:24:28.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:31.06
youcantcompthis
And yeah, I think I've introduced too big of a thought bubble for this show.

00:24:31.88
Adz
But um I'm saying based on pop count, the Tatum is comparable for that in that realm.

00:24:40.42
youcantcompthis
I think we leave this for another day.

00:24:41.85
Adz
ah Yeah, agreed.

00:24:41.86
youcantcompthis
ah Because otherwise we're not going to get through the rest of the games.

00:24:44.76
Adz
That's all right, we can just sit on the pop count.

00:24:45.84
youcantcompthis
All right, so really quickly, game two, Drew Holliday was my other standout. His defense was amazing.

00:24:50.86
Adz
I was gonna say, if you didn't give Drew some love, you

00:24:53.17
youcantcompthis
Five assists, eight rebounds, 12 points. Really, really, really quickly.

00:24:57.19
Adz
Wait, who what? 26 points.

00:25:00.66
youcantcompthis
12 points for game two.

00:25:02.53
Adz
Drew Holliday. Didn't Drew Holliday drop like 20 something points in game two?

00:25:09.33
youcantcompthis
I need to go back.

00:25:10.13
Adz
Am I thinking wrong? Hang on.

00:25:12.79
youcantcompthis
I'll put a footnote in.

00:25:14.29
Adz
Drew Holliday, 26 points, 11 rebounds, three assists.

00:25:20.30
youcantcompthis
Really?

00:25:21.10
Adz
Yeah, he dominated in game two.

00:25:23.73
youcantcompthis
For game two?

00:25:24.80
Adz
Yep.

00:25:26.20
youcantcompthis
Okay. What was the stat?

00:25:27.47
Adz
That's the one where Tatum got 18, nine and 12.

00:25:34.66
youcantcompthis
Must've written it down wrong. That's all right. Okay. So what was his line?

00:25:38.13
Adz
26, 11, three and one steal.

00:25:41.96
youcantcompthis
26 points.

00:25:43.45
Adz
And a block.

00:25:44.76
youcantcompthis
26 points.

00:25:46.25
Adz
Yep. 11 rebounds.

00:25:48.24
youcantcompthis
11 boards.

00:25:49.86
Adz
Three assists.

00:25:51.14
youcantcompthis
three assists one steal one block all right let me start let me start that again so that's probably around the 24 minute mark edit all right cool okay game two my other takeaway was drew holiday 26 points 11 rebounds three assists one steal one block

00:25:53.14
Adz
One steal, one block.

00:25:56.79
Adz
Shot 78% from the field.

00:26:14.92
youcantcompthis
Putting aside all of the numbers, his defense was just amazing. And that was probably the part that I enjoyed the most.

00:26:18.34
Adz
Mmm.

00:26:20.31
youcantcompthis
Now, Drew Holliday is one of these weird players who is not on card letters, so it is a little bit tricky. I did find some interesting pieces and all of these I'm gonna put down as buyers before I even say it. 2009, 10 threads, rookie class letters. That's the one where it's just like a fabric letter with the autograph on it.

00:26:39.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:40.48
youcantcompthis
Number to 630, that sold for 43 USD.

00:26:44.75
Adz
Yes.

00:26:45.12
youcantcompthis
Drew holiday gold numbered to 2009, SGC8 that sold for $45. The Drew holiday, it's being called ah a logo man, but it's not a true logo man, it's just the

00:26:56.09
Adz
Hello

00:26:58.65
youcantcompthis
the logo off the shorts or whatever, six out of 10 with an autograph on it, 140 USD.

00:26:59.53
Adz
guy.

00:27:06.13
youcantcompthis
And then this amazing Philadelphia 76 is again, fabric logo with autograph number to 449, $137.

00:27:13.40
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:27:14.60
youcantcompthis
All of those, I think it's like strong buy. So yeah.

00:27:17.15
Adz
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't think I think Drew could drop 50 and it's not going to move the the needle on his card prices.

00:27:27.65
youcantcompthis
Definitely not, but at the same time, I think, yeah, he's a really good guy to buy, particularly for PC.

00:27:29.49
Adz
It's pretty cool, though.

00:27:34.02
Adz
He's out playing Kyrie. He was out playing Kyrie by the end of game. Game two was like, well, yeah, Drew was sort of a a throw in at Boston.

00:27:42.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Wow.

00:27:43.95
Adz
True.

00:27:45.36
youcantcompthis
I think they really wanted him.

00:27:46.44
Adz
They targeted, but what I mean is he was, did they really think he was going to, after that trade from the part of the Lillard trade, he was going to stay put where he was. Cause he ended up in Portland, didn't he? Is that where he got away from?

00:28:03.17
Adz
Anyway, Milwaukee thought that

00:28:03.75
youcantcompthis
Do you mean, do you think that Drew Holliday's management thought he was going to stay in the blazes?

00:28:13.05
Adz
I don't know whoever or like Milwaukee wouldn't want someone like Drew Holliday in the Eastern Conference. So they trade traded him off to the West.

00:28:18.38
youcantcompthis
Oh, yeah. Yeah, so.

00:28:20.72
Adz
He ends up back in the East playing for Boston. It's like, I'm just ruined your chance at a finals campaign.

00:28:26.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 100%. Alrighty. Game three, Celtics 106, Mavs 99. I'm calling this game the one that got away for the Mavs.

00:28:36.20
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:28:38.59
youcantcompthis
So this is a game of swings.

00:28:39.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:41.54
youcantcompthis
The Mavericks were up 13 early. Boston got up by 21 and then with just three and a half minutes left, there was only three point differential. So if you are going to go back and watch one game, game three is the game to watch.

00:28:51.56
Adz
the The freight train.

00:28:52.00
youcantcompthis
That was just an amazing game. And I think the other thing we need to slip in here, Adam, is ah RIP to Jerry West.

00:28:56.72
Adz
Mm.

00:28:58.77
youcantcompthis
So the logo, much respect and love out to the family of Jerry West. And I think We should really quickly touch on some Jerry West cards again, just out of respect to him. So the 1961 FLIR Jerry West PSA 9 population of 28 last sold for $68,760.

00:29:12.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:25.17
youcantcompthis
And what we were talking about off-air ad was how that there's been a lot of Jerry West sales post his death and how some of the card forum groups, so NCM in Australia is probably one of the bigger ones.

00:29:28.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:36.50
Adz
Yep.

00:29:37.16
youcantcompthis
They actually restricted all Jerry West sales for a week.

00:29:41.43
Adz
Yeah, just more of like.

00:29:42.44
youcantcompthis
I was saying to you off air that i'm I'm in a funny place about this because actually for Bill Walton, Jerry West passing, I was actually looking for their cards after they passed. So I kind of get why people do put sales up and I also understand why people are buying cards.

00:29:51.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:57.86
Adz
Hmm Yeah, it was it's a time and a place thing right it's the on the day of of ah a great passing Sure, you can have the ah crap I wanted I wanted to buy one of his cards, but There's a lot of tribute posts.

00:29:58.24
youcantcompthis
I think you were touching on the the whole ethics of it and you had some thoughts around that.

00:30:09.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:18.55
Adz
There's a lot of There's a lot of I suppose grieving amongst the the the NBA community people are

00:30:19.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:24.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:26.64
Adz
trying to remember remember highlights from Jerry West's career.

00:30:31.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:31.28
Adz
ah they're They're playing clips, they're playing tributes, and to have people's news feeds clogged up with sales threads, trying to, and I know every, like, there are people looking to buy, so that's why there are people looking to sell, but it's like, can we just, can we have a moment so that we can pay our respects?

00:30:32.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:47.34
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:30:53.35
Adz
um

00:30:53.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think the ethics part around it too is that people will double the price because someone's passed away.

00:30:58.57
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:58.76
youcantcompthis
So there's those stories about when Bill Russell passed away, there was a card show in America and people were literally taking out Bill Russell autographs from their shelves, doubling the price and then putting them straight back on into the display. So I think that's the same type of thing that's happening here.

00:31:12.23
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:31:13.36
youcantcompthis
Do do you have any Jerry West memories?

00:31:17.70
Adz
Just the arguments I constantly have with um some of my high school friends about who the greatest shooting guard in Lakers history is, because obviously my favorite guard was the late, great Kobe Bryant.

00:31:31.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:31:31.91
Adz
And um yeah, like Jerry West is, I think, often forgotten by by younger generations as well about how good he really was.

00:31:39.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:31:40.82
Adz
But obviously, recency bias, I still have Kobe ranked as number one. but

00:31:46.82
youcantcompthis
It's pretty hard if you go back and watch some of those old games, like there is footage now available pretty readily, not difficult to find.

00:31:50.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:53.49
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:31:56.71
youcantcompthis
It's definitely a different game. It's, it's polar opposite. So I understand why people do struggle with those arguments.

00:32:03.18
Adz
Yep.

00:32:03.82
youcantcompthis
So actually my favorite Jerry West memory is him coming into Memphis and just organizing that team and actually building a team that was decent.

00:32:11.31
Adz
Yep.

00:32:13.34
youcantcompthis
They made the playoffs a couple of times, you know, Paul Gasol was there, Mike Miller was there. I liked those teams. I thought they were really good and That's, I think, cause they were such a train wreck at the time. That was my recollection was like, I think that was so bad. They, they moved them from Vancouver to Memphis.

00:32:32.43
Adz
Oh God, that yeah, that's it, yep.

00:32:34.45
youcantcompthis
Right. So that that's my memory. I I'm shocked that you didn't bring up him drafting Kobe.

00:32:42.91
Adz
I was gonna say, that's probably the the Jerry West moment, but yeah, I mean, he he did he was the one that that orchestrated that lovely trade for, was it Floody Devak?

00:32:46.76
youcantcompthis
Absolutely. Yeah.

00:32:54.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:32:55.31
Adz
Devak, yeah. Sent him to New Orleans and

00:32:58.79
youcantcompthis
That's a bigger heist than Trey Young for Luca really.

00:33:01.54
Adz
It was pretty much, yeah, it was ah it was a bit of a heist, but um yeah, and jerry and Jerry's comments were so so humble at the time. and He's like, I think we just got the best player in the draft. And he wasn't wrong, but yeah, it was ah it was a visionary, that's for sure. On the on the court, he was amazing, phenomenal. ah Probably the reason LeBron, didn't get finals MVP and the reason Kawhi and Andrei Gudala got them in the years that they did because Jerry West yeah winning a finals MVP in a losing championship.

00:33:42.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:33:44.21
Adz
um They don't do that anymore. so yeah

00:33:48.60
youcantcompthis
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00:35:10.81
Adz
Uh, game three, game three, I, I, I was, uh, I wasn't actually paying attention to the box score very much. I was surprised. I thought, all right, well, Boston's going to get the, the brooms out and that, and that's it. Um, and then they made this run and I said, well, maybe they're, maybe they're human. Um, bit disappointing the way it finished. I think that's all I can say is it's a bit disappointing the way it finished.

00:35:39.85
youcantcompthis
All right, so I've got two questions for you. What do you think fueled Boston's comeback? Who were the key players in that?

00:35:48.15
Adz
The key. um

00:35:49.72
youcantcompthis
And we haven't spoken about one of the keys for me in game three. At all, we haven't even mentioned his name this series.

00:35:55.53
Adz
i We haven't mentioned his name. I was gonna say Kyrie caught fire.

00:36:04.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay.

00:36:09.43
Adz
Kyrie came to play. I'd been criticizing him for the first two games, saying he didn't show up and that was all gonna happen. um

00:36:20.19
Adz
Yeah. Who have you got?

00:36:21.27
youcantcompthis
Alright, so for me, Jalen Brown was like a really big part of that. I think his defense really fueled them going back to the other way.

00:36:24.92
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:36:27.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:36:28.51
youcantcompthis
And again, Drew Holliday was just amazing. So, and I'm actually surprised we haven't spoken about Jalen Brown yet.

00:36:31.03
Adz
Okay.

00:36:33.89
youcantcompthis
So game three, he was 12 of 22, eight rebounds, eight assists, one block. I thought he played really, really well. And then I think the other funny thing for us to talk about too is that Luca fouled out. So generally you associate fouls with defensive effort. Do you think that Luca actually tried to play a little bit more D or is it just, he was just like behind the play. So, yeah.

00:36:55.81
Adz
I think he was frustrated and and and try, it yeah.

00:37:00.36
youcantcompthis
Now we talk about conspiracy theories a little bit here. Now they had multiple times to keep Luca in the game. They could have just called that a straight block on that last foul.

00:37:09.95
Adz
Yep.

00:37:11.38
youcantcompthis
Then the Celtics, sorry, the Mavericks staff wanted to play reviewed. They could have said, okay, fine. It's a block. Let's leave Luca out there. They didn't. They, they fouled him out. I was shocked about that.

00:37:22.66
Adz
ah

00:37:22.99
youcantcompthis
I was like, they can't, they cannot call this.

00:37:26.76
Adz
Yep, that was so bad.

00:37:27.92
youcantcompthis
Right? Yeah. Anyway, so.

00:37:29.61
Adz
It was, it was, it was just...

00:37:31.48
youcantcompthis
That really silences a lot of these conspiracy theory chirping birds though for me.

00:37:33.15
Adz
Yeah,

00:37:36.72
youcantcompthis
That was like the really big one.

00:37:40.77
Adz
yeah it was... I don't know, I feel like the Celtics, it was the first time we've seen both Brown and Tatum take control of a game.

00:37:51.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:52.19
Adz
um like i'm I'm talking in the first three quarters. I'm not talking in the last quarter where they ah had to hold it together, but it was nice to see both of them firing.

00:38:00.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:38:01.82
Adz
um Given consistency, I think game game three is where Jaylen Brown put his hand up and said, i'm I'm winning finals MVP.

00:38:10.61
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:38:10.62
Adz
I think it's a standout now that Jaylen Brown will be more than likely our our our finals MVP.

00:38:11.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Who's the best player in the Celtics in your mind?

00:38:21.97
Adz
um But it's Derek White, surely. Surely. He's averaging double figures through the whole playoffs. Look at his stats, 16 points in game three, 18 points in game two, 15 points in game one. Anyway, um I think Jaylen Brown, I've said Jaylen Brown for a very long time.

00:38:48.70
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:38:48.85
Adz
I think i think he's and he's a little bit a little bit older. he one like Sorry, he was drafted a a season or two earlier as well.

00:38:55.66
youcantcompthis
One year, yeah, yeah.

00:38:56.41
Adz
yeah so I don't know, I just think Brown's just that little bit more experienced. He probably has the the smarter head on his shoulders. Tatum might have the highest ceiling, but I don't know, I think Jalen Brown is actually quite an underrated player.

00:39:15.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:39:15.57
Adz
Not financially, he got paid a record contract, so he got paid.

00:39:18.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So yeah, you've just touched on a few things that I think is really important here. So in my mind, the go to guys, Jason Tatum.

00:39:26.79
Adz
Yes.

00:39:27.35
youcantcompthis
Like there's, you can't tell me that Jaylen Brown's a better go-to girl.

00:39:29.67
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:39:31.36
youcantcompthis
And so I think that simplifies a lot of things. So obviously they want the ball and Tatum's hand in the key moments and for more playmaking opportunities, that's fine.

00:39:34.82
Adz
Okay.

00:39:40.27
youcantcompthis
But I think the thing that the Celtics do really well is those two coexist in a really cohesive way. And I think one thing that

00:39:48.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:50.67
youcantcompthis
is really obvious to me is that they can do different things, you know, really well, like one is a bit more finesse and one is a bit more bullish, you know, one is a bit more skillful, and another one is a bit more sort of erratic, you know, and I think actually that works really well.

00:39:57.86
Adz
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

00:40:02.89
youcantcompthis
And then also to the way that they defend, I think they just sort of play each other, you know, really well.

00:40:08.60
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:40:09.61
youcantcompthis
And so I actually think the pairing is really interesting and Shaq was speaking about that on one of his postgame shows and he was literally giving him like sort of sage advice like don't worry about who's number one and who's number two don't listen to the media talk about that and he was like alluding to yeah he was alluding to like him and Kobe in their relationship and he's like well just you know one person gets 39 one person gets 40 points like it's okay it's all good and I think they've got that worked out already I think those two are on a really good spot so all right

00:40:25.10
Adz
but Don't listen to Jason Kidd do that.

00:40:30.22
Adz
hey

00:40:37.38
Adz
Yeah. I thought Jason Kidd had gotten in their head actually after game. It was a game one. There was a press conference where it was like,

00:40:48.54
youcantcompthis
He's not Phil Jackson, Jason Kidd, you know, he probably should just give it a rest.

00:40:50.57
Adz
But Jason Kidd in the conference was talking about Jalen Brown being the number one guy trying to get in Tatum's head.

00:40:56.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:40:58.05
Adz
I don't think it worked for a little bit. We'll see.

00:40:59.87
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:41:00.73
Adz
We'll see what happens.

00:41:02.21
youcantcompthis
we We have to talk about Jalen Brown's cards because actually this is really cool. So the last 12 months, he's actually up 42%. So he's had a massive rise. so His last sale is actually down a little bit, his last couple of sales, but his last sale was 394 USD.

00:41:18.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:18.67
youcantcompthis
If you zoom in into the last three months, he's on a very steep uphill. He's actually up 71%.

00:41:26.27
youcantcompthis
Look, I don't have a problem with this at that number.

00:41:26.31
Adz
Oh, wow.

00:41:29.31
youcantcompthis
Whether it's a buy holder or sell, you know, I actually think this is a more compelling argument right now because he's had a big rise.

00:41:29.53
Adz
Mmm.

00:41:36.04
youcantcompthis
So, you know, you are worried about that sort of, you know, dripping off a little bit, but I think his long term viability in the hobby is now established because he's a very, very good number two.

00:41:36.34
Adz
Yeah. Mmm.

00:41:48.90
youcantcompthis
You could argue like a Jamal Murray, maybe a bit higher in that sort of status level on a championship team. And they're still young enough to make another run and they've got a really good team around them.

00:41:56.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:59.24
youcantcompthis
You know, I think that Boston teams can be good for at least three more years. Like they've only person who's they got sort of two oldies, Horford and drew holiday.

00:42:08.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:08.66
youcantcompthis
I think they can work around that though. They'll sort something out in that space.

00:42:11.11
Adz
Don't be fine. Don't be fine with that.

00:42:12.06
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:42:12.62
Adz
They've got a good call.

00:42:12.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:42:15.31
youcantcompthis
um My other notes from game three was obviously Porzingis was out for that game. Gafford started over lively and we had a Xavier Tillman sighting which just made me enraged that the Celtics picked him up for nothing.

00:42:20.14
Adz
Yes.

00:42:27.29
youcantcompthis
So game four, I've titled this the blowout game. So not too sure how long we're going to talk about this one at but

00:42:38.66
youcantcompthis
Not a lot to say. that The Mavericks showed up to play. They didn't want to get swept. And that was obvious from the start to me. They were just like at 110% from the start.

00:42:47.07
Adz
So I'm just saying it checking the box score now. is Scott Foster was the referee, is that right?

00:42:54.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. So again, let's talk about conspiracies, right? Because that's what you're touching on. Scott Foss had nothing to do with the outcome of this game, right?

00:43:01.24
Adz
Yeah, this is true, this is true.

00:43:01.53
youcantcompthis
Like, if you wanted a conspiracy, that was game three when they chose to foul Luca out. They they kept him in the game. That's the conspiracy, right?

00:43:09.45
Adz
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're very right.

00:43:10.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So I can't believe I'm talking people out of conspiracies. I'm more trying to talk people into them. But um yeah, he I just can't do it for this one.

00:43:21.19
Adz
It's all right, it's just more, it's just data gathering.

00:43:24.62
youcantcompthis
So do you know what I love about professional sports is that I'm quite like, okay, but if the Mavs can play with this in game four, why didn't they do this in game one, two and three?

00:43:28.17
Adz
You wait for the Netflix special to come out.

00:43:34.15
youcantcompthis
Like that's kind of the stuff I love about the sports psychology part, you know, they were just so desperate, you know, they just played their absolute heart down and that was the outcome.

00:43:36.60
Adz
Mmm. How did they get into this headset and all of a sudden just dominate?

00:43:45.46
Adz
Or, or did the Celtics come out in game four and go, you know what, let's have some fun tonight and go and win this thing in Boston?

00:43:46.14
youcantcompthis
I love that stuff.

00:43:53.63
youcantcompthis
That could have been part of it, too. They just expected the maths to roll over and they didn't. And there is a slight argument for that.

00:43:58.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:00.51
youcantcompthis
I definitely did see sort of an element of that. But man, they came out and they played hard.

00:44:04.96
Adz
they they put They wave the white flag very early.

00:44:11.21
Adz
it was

00:44:12.33
youcantcompthis
I'm OK with that, by the way, too. That's Greg Popovich-esque.

00:44:15.88
Adz
they get a yeah but they The reason i've I've said since the beginning of it with predictions is the Celtics in five is they get the first two games on their home court. They win one of these away games in Dallas and then they win it on their home floor.

00:44:26.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:44:31.06
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:44:32.70
Adz
That it's, it makes sense mathematically, like, why would you go hard to win on the Dallas floor?

00:44:32.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:44:40.27
Adz
um Especially with Paul Zinga's not quite there. And he was, wasn't he available, he was available for game four, in limited circumstances, like they didn't want to overplay him.

00:44:53.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he played in game four, but

00:44:55.80
Adz
But they didn't want to, use like the the utilization, he was already not going to be utilized much.

00:45:02.22
youcantcompthis
I think the argument is there is that if this was a regular season game, he wouldn't have played because it's a finals game. They just tried to roll him out. And then as you were saying, use him when needed. Yeah.

00:45:13.18
Adz
did they Did he play in game four?

00:45:15.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I thought he did.

00:45:18.37
Adz
Did not play. He was available, but didn't play.

00:45:19.94
youcantcompthis
Okay. Okay.

00:45:22.90
Adz
So he didn't start, Horford got the start. Yeah. Weird.

00:45:31.26
Adz
You reckon he'll play game five?

00:45:33.67
youcantcompthis
I would say 100%.

00:45:35.54
Adz
I reckon they'll all get to play in game five when they're celebrating.

00:45:38.38
youcantcompthis
All righty.

00:45:40.51
Adz
Party time.

00:45:42.41
youcantcompthis
So my takeaway from this is Derek Lively. So we spoke about in game three, how that was the first change that the Mavericks made in terms of the lineup.

00:45:46.03
Adz
Mm.

00:45:49.17
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

00:45:50.67
youcantcompthis
I look, I've got a lot of time for Derek Lively. I like that type of high energy, high octane game again, without particularly needing the ball. So 22 minutes, 12 rebounds, one steal 11 points.

00:45:58.32
Adz
yeah

00:46:01.91
youcantcompthis
in saying all of that, I 100% understand why he was taken out of the rotation or out of the starting lineup because he wasn't playing that well.

00:46:08.19
Adz
Yep.

00:46:10.08
youcantcompthis
And I think at one point there was some statistic that he had more thousand points or something silly like that. So he's he's had a tough series so far.

00:46:15.35
Adz
Yeah. He has, is's he's a rookie so he's he's gonna he's gonna have to learn those lessons.

00:46:17.90
youcantcompthis
So yeah, so this is a good time. So we found a Cardletter player versus player, Porzingis versus Derek Lively. So on the left-hand side, We've got the 2015 Prism Gold to 10, BGS 9.5, or the 2023 Derek Lively Gold Shimmer to 10, PSA 10.

00:46:35.99
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:46:42.27
youcantcompthis
The Porzinga sold for 2000, the Lively sold for 3050. What would you go for and why?

00:46:51.56
Adz
Um, I'll take, I'll take the lively. He has the rest of his career ahead of him.

00:47:00.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that to me is all about future potential and the fact that someone is happy to pay a thousand over the Porzingis for that future potential.

00:47:07.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:11.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:13.80
youcantcompthis
I actually, I like the Porzingis. It's a thousand dollars cheaper. So in my head, I've still got a thousand dollars to spend.

00:47:18.06
Adz
Mmm.

00:47:19.72
youcantcompthis
And I feel like his resume is a bit more padded out.

00:47:23.51
Adz
Mm.

00:47:23.68
youcantcompthis
And even though he's a walking Popsicle and an injury report just waiting to happen.

00:47:29.63
Adz
Injury report, yeah.

00:47:29.79
youcantcompthis
I think Lively is good, but at the same time, I'm not too sure where his hobby ceiling plays out to.

00:47:33.17
Adz
Yep.

00:47:38.17
Adz
True.

00:47:38.46
youcantcompthis
Like how many high energy center guys are people you know chasing for you know down the line? On the flip side, if you can get

00:47:44.25
Adz
All these bigs that we, it's all these bigs that we keep propping up and we know the history of bigs is not good.

00:47:50.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but if you can get, say, a silver lively rookie card for five or ten dollars out of a out of a dollar bin for pocket change, I think that's a really good buy.

00:47:56.03
Adz
Oh hell yeah!

00:47:58.61
youcantcompthis
But, you know, do I think spending three thousand on that, you know, I think that's going to be tough to, you know, flip out and the roll out in the future.

00:47:59.05
Adz
I'm in for that.

00:48:07.17
youcantcompthis
I'm changing my use of flip to roll.

00:48:07.17
Adz
Oh! Hang on, hang on. I've got, I've got something for you. I've got something for you. Friend of the show, Joe Fu, ShaqFu32, messaged me the other day, said, great recent episode.

00:48:18.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:48:23.37
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:48:23.61
Adz
Instead of flip, I've been using trade up or cash in. Instead of roll, flop, or whatever you decide to use.

00:48:36.16
Adz
Trade up or cash in.

00:48:39.46
youcantcompthis
Trade up. Yeah.

00:48:41.05
Adz
Okay, trade up is a, yeah, okay.

00:48:44.71
youcantcompthis
Doesn't sound as dirty, does it? Then flip.

00:48:47.48
Adz
Yeah, cash in.

00:48:49.15
youcantcompthis
I still don't mind roll, to be honest.

00:48:51.77
Adz
I don't know how you roll a square, something with square edges. That's my only qualm. I'm gonna die on the hill. ah um Especially if it's a die cut, could you imagine that? How many dings you'd get in it anyway? Yes, thanks thanks for the thanks for the great feedback, Shaq Fu.

00:49:10.75
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, time for our last break. And then we'll come back and we'll have some odds and ends for us to run through. Thank you for coming back. We are back.

00:49:23.37
Adz
We're back, hope ready for the home stretch.

00:49:25.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right. Listen to question. This is from Anthony Mill. So Anthony, thank you so much for this. We had a lot of engagement on this post. So We really appreciate you asking this question and the question timing is is beautiful too. So if the finals was a livestock exchange at this point, who does everyone have gaining dollars with? Luke are dominating, but the Mavs are down too. So obviously this was after game two and Tatum having an average final so far, but Boston up.

00:49:51.84
Adz
Yep.

00:49:56.46
youcantcompthis
Adam, how would you answer this question?

00:50:00.87
Adz
I'd be, I'd have my stock in Brown.

00:50:04.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:50:05.30
Adz
I'd be buying Brown. yeah Yep, yep.

00:50:09.14
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:50:10.16
Adz
That said, the, the, the, the Luka, the, the L-U-K stocks are dropping and there is, would it be T-A-T if you're gonna abbreviate for like stock exchange terminology, you'd put T-A-T for Tatum, but anyway, yep.

00:50:27.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah, cool.

00:50:28.70
Adz
I'd be, um

00:50:29.85
youcantcompthis
You went deep on this nerd angle there.

00:50:31.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:32.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:50:32.89
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. I'd be, I'd be on the, uh, I would be L UK.

00:50:35.52
youcantcompthis
So what's Luca L UK?

00:50:37.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:37.84
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:50:38.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:40.20
youcantcompthis
What about your boy?

00:50:42.16
Adz
Derek white.

00:50:42.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:50:44.43
Adz
Ooh.

00:50:44.64
youcantcompthis
W H I.

00:50:50.19
Adz
Ooh.

00:50:54.37
Adz
Not sure.

00:50:55.13
youcantcompthis
I didn't think this would perplex you that much actually.

00:50:57.45
Adz
DRK. Just the, okay.

00:50:59.27
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:50:59.95
Adz
Derek. Yeah.

00:51:00.66
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:51:01.15
Adz
yeah Okay. Yep. I bet I'd be on the BRO bro stocks all the way, man. Bro stocks on Jalen Brown.

00:51:11.25
youcantcompthis
bros would be loving it.

00:51:12.75
Adz
but Oh goodness. Shall we go to the, uh, the, the, uh, comments from the listeners?

00:51:22.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So I agree with you. Brown's going up. I think Luca is coming down, but he should be on your watch list for stocks.

00:51:27.93
Adz
Yep.

00:51:31.14
Adz
Okay. She gave him on the watch list.

00:51:32.00
youcantcompthis
These, these blue chip stocks, you need to buy them when they're on the down, you know?

00:51:36.66
Adz
Mmm. Yep.

00:51:38.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:38.88
Adz
That's fair. Who've we got?

00:51:44.01
Adz
Jalen. Yeah. Ryan Miller agrees. Jalen Brown. Question mark. Boston wins. Tatum isn't getting finals MVP. Yeah.

00:51:51.47
youcantcompthis
I reckon Tatum gets finals MVP.

00:51:54.58
Adz
Really?

00:51:55.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I just, I find it really hard to believe that people won't vote for him.

00:52:04.78
Adz
Interesting. <unk>ve I've got, at the moment I've got Jaylen Brown. i I don't see Tatum being better than Brown in this series.

00:52:12.60
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:52:15.40
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:52:15.92
Adz
But I understand why you might think.

00:52:18.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah. And look, if Brown gets it, I actually have no problem with it. But at the same time, for me, they're so close together that just makes sense. They'll just vote for Tatum because he's the big guy, you know?

00:52:29.19
Adz
um um I'm happy to put, I'm happy to put Luca on my watch list by the way. But I'm not buying it. The opportunity to buy Luca, long gone. Like Adam said, anything positive to say about Luca prices, forget it.

00:52:40.58
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:52:45.27
Adz
We're done.

00:52:45.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:52:46.06
Adz
He's not winning a championship. So I reverting to my, what is this guy won aside from the Western conference.

00:52:52.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah. And particularly after this series, right, when you've got Tatum at a cheaper price who's achieved more for his career.

00:52:53.37
Adz
Award. Yeah.

00:52:58.53
Adz
Yep.

00:52:58.64
youcantcompthis
um I actually agree with you now. So, yeah.

00:53:01.54
Adz
Yep, he sort of done his dash and in my eyes there. Yep, what else have we got?

00:53:08.37
youcantcompthis
Luke Patterson. We'll see how Dallas goes with the next two games at home. Luke are not getting much support. We're the Celtics. Everyone's contributing. And that's actually, we should have just read that and that's the podcast done really.

00:53:19.52
Adz
That's a summary. So that we'll just copy and paste that as the anyone the show and show summary.

00:53:25.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:53:25.80
Adz
Yep, that's pretty much it. Yep.

00:53:28.67
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:53:29.50
Adz
Luca not getting much support, Celtics with everyone, yeah, everyone contributing. It's true. As I keep saying, Derek White, 15 points as that fifth guy on the team.

00:53:45.80
youcantcompthis
That's why they win in the championship, obviously.

00:53:46.98
Adz
That's it, the role players.

00:53:47.99
youcantcompthis
ah

00:53:52.21
Adz
But we got John O. Michaels, Luca cards rising, the guys literally bandaged together and dominating.

00:53:58.38
youcantcompthis
I think Jono has a quite a hard on for Luca, though. I think we've already established that, haven't we?

00:54:03.20
Adz
I think Jono needs to get off the pain meds.

00:54:03.55
youcantcompthis
so

00:54:05.43
Adz
give him Luca needs them more than you at the moment.

00:54:10.15
youcantcompthis
Shots fired.

00:54:10.37
Adz
ah

00:54:12.51
youcantcompthis
Aram Bottoms. Dallas are only in the finals to the late season acquisitions of Washington and Gafford agree 100% there.

00:54:19.16
Adz
ah huh

00:54:20.24
youcantcompthis
They were floundering before that and seem to have gelled and pushed forward. Personally, I ah don't like. see Luca winning chips. He is super talented, don't get me wrong, but he's a James, he's a white James Harden. um We're not going to get into that, okay. I'll read it out, but we are not going to break this down. His game is built around ball domination and step back jumpers, which is true. I think he measured and replicated a lot of Hardin's moves. And in fact, probably was like the next generation of, as for injuries, really wait till he plays with Ives and Kobe type injuries before it affects his game.

00:54:53.25
Adz
Yep.

00:54:58.18
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, it's true. There's been some, yeah.

00:55:00.63
Adz
Yep.

00:55:03.27
Adz
All right, who is next? Matthew Hull.

00:55:04.36
youcantcompthis
Matthew Hull.

00:55:05.92
Adz
All right. Your biggest winner here is Derek Lively. Winner lose that bloke is going to get KD, get to KD heights for a tall man. He is good.

00:55:17.82
youcantcompthis
Wow. We know who's buying up all the Derek Lively at the moment. are We know who bought that Shimmer to 10.

00:55:24.37
Adz
That $3,000, the Shimmer, that's it.

00:55:27.24
youcantcompthis
Matthew Hull.

00:55:30.69
youcantcompthis
I'm not sure i'm um I'm with this take about KD and Lively in the same sentence. I think the other comparison to Lively has been Tyson Chandler.

00:55:40.87
Adz
I was gonna say JaVale McGee, but...

00:55:43.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think he's a bit more sensible than Javelle McGee, so I think he's somewhere between Tyson Chandler and KD.

00:55:48.20
Adz
Fair enough. Fair. He's got the Sideshow Bob here though.

00:55:55.06
youcantcompthis
Ivan Dizon. Tatum is focused on distributing and letting the others take the shot. Yeah, he's been amazing distributing.

00:56:01.32
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:56:01.97
youcantcompthis
He is frustratingly inconsistent when it comes to points in big games and moments, particularly if you're gambling on his points lines, which we haven't discussed in a couple of games too with the points lines, have we?

00:56:12.52
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:56:13.75
youcantcompthis
You know,

00:56:16.09
Adz
Matthew Hull has another comment. man fran Brown has to grow and Pingas get a bump. Yeah, Tatum gets a tiny bump at this stage, but reality is, He has to get MVP.

00:56:35.47
youcantcompthis
for it to be more than 2x. And yeah, that's your future prices guarantee that you've been talking about. You know, it's really interesting about what Matthew just had and pretty much everyone. No one has actually touched on the fact that these big dogs have gone down between 10 and 35%.

00:56:52.35
Adz
No, everybody seems to just think they're just gonna keep going upwards.

00:56:54.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but actually the rel reality is quite different. Yeah.

00:56:57.87
Adz
Is it in line, but is that in line with hobby hobby trends? Or is it just them?

00:57:03.09
youcantcompthis
That's not the first time I've seen that happening so we probably need to look into this a bit deeper actually and see if we can pinpoint some data, yeah.

00:57:03.79
Adz
You know what I mean?

00:57:07.97
Adz
Like if the whole...

00:57:11.58
youcantcompthis
Scotty Thompson, Tatum is overrated. I don't know, is he overrated?

00:57:13.74
Adz
I don't think so.

00:57:16.51
youcantcompthis
He's been getting better. I tell you what, Tatum has been copying is a whole lot of criticism pretty much after every single game and

00:57:28.35
youcantcompthis
He's been playing really good basketball. Hey, we missed your your quote.

00:57:33.84
Adz
Oh, we we can go back to that. We can we can definitely get...

00:57:36.10
youcantcompthis
Let's go back to it now. I think now is as good of a time as ever.

00:57:38.64
Adz
Well, there's one more comment here, so I'll go that. Dallas is playing with house money.

00:57:41.04
youcantcompthis
You do that and then we'll. Yeah.

00:57:43.45
Adz
Dallas, and they are. They're playing with the house money. They are two years away, in my opinion. This is from Jay Braun. Jalen Brown, Drew, and KP all going very well.

00:57:53.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:57:54.99
Adz
I don't...

00:57:55.09
youcantcompthis
Except it's impossible to check Drew Holliday's season or card letter. Card letter, get your act together. Get Drew Holliday on you.

00:58:00.61
Adz
What would Pausingus' stock code be? Three-letter stock code. KPZ.

00:58:07.08
youcantcompthis
Z-I-N, zinger.

00:58:09.87
Adz
Zing. Yeah, Z-I-N.

00:58:10.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:58:11.94
Adz
Okay, cool. Awesome. so

00:58:13.30
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, who said this? Brian Windhorst or Adam Amy? If Luke is ever going to be a winner, he's going to have to use the finals as a learning experience. His defensive performance is unacceptable. He is a hole on the court. He is costing his team because of how he treats the officials. Adam, did you or did you not say this on live TV on ESPN?

00:58:34.96
Adz
I feel um feel like I'm being paraphrased. I hold Brian Windhorst accountable for this.

00:58:41.32
youcantcompthis
You should sue this guy. You should sue his pants off.

00:58:43.15
Adz
Yeah. That's it. He's paraphrasing me.

00:58:46.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:58:48.38
Adz
He's not wrong. He's not wrong. and But yeah, for all those that thought I'd gone soft on Luca now, now forget it. We're done. yeah He's not winning this year. We're back to him being overvalued for what he's achieved.

00:59:02.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:59:05.16
youcantcompthis
All righty. I think we got time to run through this. We've got about four minutes left. So let's

00:59:09.46
Adz
All right.

00:59:11.37
youcantcompthis
wba this is from at joe pomiliano i hope i said that right the WNBA has released a report saying attendance is up 156%.

00:59:12.01
Adz
All

00:59:20.20
Adz
Yep.

00:59:23.99
youcantcompthis
400,000 fans have attended WNBA games this season, filling arenas to 94% capacity. televised games are averaging 1.32 million viewers, which is triple last year's.

00:59:38.57
Adz
ye

00:59:39.28
youcantcompthis
WNBA countdown is averaging 740,000 viewers, a 211% increase.

00:59:45.83
Adz
incredible

00:59:46.75
youcantcompthis
Online merchandise has already set a season record with four months left to go in the season.

00:59:51.04
Adz
Incredible.

00:59:52.66
youcantcompthis
Sales are up 756%. Social media is going through the roof. League pass is up 355%. So basically to summarize that in one sentence, business is booming.

01:00:05.56
Adz
ah huh That's

01:00:08.23
youcantcompthis
Now, let us go forward

01:00:10.13
Adz
pretty awesome.

01:00:11.20
youcantcompthis
I think you might enjoy this story. Caitlin Clark has not been named to the Team USA team. Now, allegedly, the veterans of the Team USA team got together in like a hotel room over some drinks and and had a powwow and decided that they don't want Caitlin Clark on the team, right?

01:00:24.97
Adz
Uh-oh.

01:00:29.53
youcantcompthis
So have you heard a similar NBA story to this off the top of your head? um' I'm thinking about the dream team here.

01:00:38.69
Adz
you're You're thinking about the fact that certain people weren't gonna play for the Dream Team if as a certain other, yeah, as a certain Zeke wasnt was gonna suit up, yeah.

01:00:46.48
youcantcompthis
Isaiah Thomas was named. Yeah.

01:00:51.00
youcantcompthis
Tell me there's not some commonality here.

01:00:52.68
Adz
Oh, this is, this is, There's no way that Caitlyn Clark's the next Isaiah Thomas.

01:00:58.19
youcantcompthis
yeah

01:00:59.14
Adz
Oh no.

01:01:00.26
youcantcompthis
They definitely don't like her, though. I think that's for absolute for sure.

01:01:01.41
Adz
Yeah, but it is. is ah There's a big pow wow in a bit. Like people there have been people that say if she goes, I'm not.

01:01:07.08
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:01:08.23
Adz
And there'll be veterans that that don't like it.

01:01:13.45
Adz
As much as everybody didn't like Christian Latener being on the dream team.

01:01:17.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:01:19.79
youcantcompthis
So speaking of some hate towards Caitlin Clark, let's talk about some hobby love for Caitlin Clark. So this is from data from Cardletter. This is from Caitlin Clark's index. So this is from Twitter at MTT trading number two.

01:01:34.77
Adz
Yep.

01:01:36.30
youcantcompthis
and what they've pictured here is basically her index going up and down so she was at about a thousand for her index and it dropped all the way down to sort of 450 500 and then as the regular season's kicked off she's all the way back up again there so you can see there's been a heap a heap of hobby movement around Caitlin Clark so obviously people love her in terms of her popularity for in games against the Washington Mystics they had to move her game from a 4,200 capacity arena to a 20,356 and they sold out those extra 16,000 seats in 30 minutes.

01:02:10.79
Adz
It's incredible.

01:02:14.21
youcantcompthis
So Caitlin Clark is just, you know, yeah.

01:02:14.99
Adz
Wow.

01:02:17.51
Adz
She is putting bums on seats. Yep. And the all eyes are on the leg.

01:02:21.19
youcantcompthis
I, yeah.

01:02:23.03
Adz
This is amazing.

01:02:25.90
youcantcompthis
So I think from my sort of personal perspective on this is that The Caitlyn Clark good cards haven't even come out yet. So her Prism release hasn't happened yet.

01:02:33.39
Adz
Mm hmm. Yep, that's true.

01:02:36.38
youcantcompthis
Now she's signing for Fanatics and she's also signing for Pinini. So, and Pinini still holds the WNBA rights. So when Pinini Prism comes up at WNBA, the last couple of years has been selling for about 300, 320 AUD.

01:02:46.15
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

01:02:51.60
youcantcompthis
And I was talking to some people offline about this last couple of days because breaks at the moment have been very slow, but

01:02:58.43
Adz
Slow but steady.

01:02:59.64
youcantcompthis
The people, the people that go in, in them really enjoy them. They like the value, all that type of stuff. But what if then the boxes go to $600 Aussie? You know, what happens then?

01:03:09.08
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:09.78
youcantcompthis
Because, and you can actually imagine that happening because of, like we just spoke about the popularity. We spoke about the carding indexes. We spoke about some of the prices. So I think this is where I'm in a very, not good place with this.

01:03:24.20
Adz
Nervous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:25.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So I'm like at $300, it's kind of good, right? But if it goes to 600, is it actually terrible?

01:03:30.32
Adz
It's not great.

01:03:31.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:03:32.00
Adz
Yep.

01:03:32.66
youcantcompthis
And then you're just hoping just like and NBA, you're hoping you get a big hit out of a box just basically, to you know, to break even.

01:03:33.16
Adz
Agreed. Agreed.

01:03:38.60
youcantcompthis
So I'm sort of looking into this space in a little bit of a Andrew gaze into the future wait and see type thing.

01:03:46.16
Adz
Yeah, but you you don't want you don't want the hype to to impact the experience.

01:03:46.89
youcantcompthis
But

01:03:53.75
Adz
Because it will, it'll it'll it'll take things.

01:03:56.78
youcantcompthis
I think it's going to happen. I actually, I think it's, it's a done deal.

01:03:59.09
Adz
I don't think it's avoidable if you've got this much this must ah much attention, I guess.

01:04:00.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:04:05.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And she is feeling, you know, massive arenas. Like it's, it's amazing.

01:04:09.49
Adz
Yeah, if you're moving venues to accommodate for the capacity, then

01:04:09.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:04:15.95
youcantcompthis
Final thoughts. Ad, what do you got for me?

01:04:18.52
Adz
Final thoughts on Caitlin Clark? let it play but How would I like to finish the show?

01:04:21.68
youcantcompthis
Life in general. How would you like to finish the show? Yeah.

01:04:26.18
Adz
Well, I would have liked to see, actually, no, I'm glad we didn't get the broom out in in Dallas and we get to talk about game five and the end of the NBA Finals next week, um which I'm pretty sure we will be talking about.

01:04:36.17
youcantcompthis
Yep. I hope so.

01:04:41.44
Adz
I can't imagine that we'll be blowing, oh no, game seven's tomorrow.

01:04:46.58
youcantcompthis
What's your prediction for game five?

01:04:48.76
Adz
Um, Boston by a comfortable margin, but I can't believe that 20, 20 to 25 points.

01:04:51.81
youcantcompthis
Okay.

01:04:56.68
Adz
Um, I think everyone will get a run. I think there'll just be a point where, I mean, I don't think Luca and Kyrie are going to give up, but the writing's on the wall. If, if, if Boston get a lead in the garden, it's going to get loud.

01:05:12.70
Adz
And, um, yeah.

01:05:16.40
youcantcompthis
I think from a product point of view, I really want Dallas to win one more game because that will really shake some cages and get some people nervous. I think it'll make Boston nervous.

01:05:27.26
Adz
That's not gonna happen. There's no way they're losing on their home floor.

01:05:31.42
youcantcompthis
They just need one game just to really upset the apple cart and I think if that happens, maybe.

01:05:35.32
Adz
but get wait We're gonna get 12 point Boston Kyrie back.

01:05:41.52
youcantcompthis
but From my perspective as an NBA, you know, lover, like that would just be amazing.

01:05:45.43
Adz
Get Luca to drop 70 or something and just...

01:05:50.51
youcantcompthis
What if Kyrie gets 50 in Boston?

01:05:51.45
Adz
Tatum will get 60.

01:05:56.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All right. Let's go.

01:05:59.14
Adz
No, Derek White will get a 40 piece. There we go.

01:06:02.61
youcantcompthis
Okay.

01:06:05.78
youcantcompthis
All right, yeah, that's this is my best outcome is it that the Mavericks win the next game and then it just becomes a genuinely hard-fought series.

01:06:09.04
Adz
ah

01:06:13.22
Adz
Interesting series.

01:06:13.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All righty, guys, let's shout out to Central Coast Radio. Somehow we forgot to do that. Central Coast Radio dot com. Check them out. We will be on at 10 a.m. to 12 on Thursdays. If you're a late,

01:06:28.77
Adz
That's our regular, that's ah that's our regular slot, isn't it?

01:06:31.04
youcantcompthis
If you're a late night person, 11 p.m.

01:06:31.13
Adz
The most, yeah.

01:06:33.54
youcantcompthis
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01:06:36.22
Adz
Whew.

01:06:36.60
youcantcompthis
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01:07:12.84
Adz
Pleasure as always. Look forward to to next week.

01:07:20.18
Adz
See you all.