Episode 154: Kawhi Leonard, Wemby Trends, HGA Restructure, Fanatics Selling Fake Cards, CT Scanning Flawless, MJ Downgrade, Hobby Inserts

Russell and Adam welcome you to episode 154 where we chat about

- The adventures of Kawhi Leonard; 
- Wemby prices: 
- HGA Restructure 
- fanatics live policy update   
- What happens when you put Flawless cases into a CT scanner
- Whose Boxscore is this?
- Why was a 2 million dollar Jordan down graded?
- Jordan hoops insert
- Inserts in the hobby: Listener question
Media's influence on the hobby: Listener question
Gary Trent Jnr  signed with bucks    Card ladder
Markelle fultz    

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Transcript

00:01:03.63
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 154 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are host Adam Amie and Russell Gibson. How's your week been, Russell?

00:01:17.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, man, really good. 154 sounds large to me. I thought you were going to say maybe 152, 153, but here we go.

00:01:22.52
Adz
Now we're just going from strength to strength.

00:01:25.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, 154. Heaps of talk about this week.

00:01:28.39
Adz
Stars on 154.

00:01:31.53
youcantcompthis
Heaps. Heaps of talk about between players moving around, summer league performance.

00:01:37.33
Adz
The Olympics warming up, gearing up, there's all kinds of stuff.

00:01:40.69
youcantcompthis
I don't think we've got Olympics warm up in the thing, but there was an absolute cracker game today.

00:01:45.82
Adz
The US.

00:01:45.95
youcantcompthis
Sedan versus America. Just a one point game. So.

00:01:49.01
Adz
Thanks to LeBron.

00:01:55.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:01:55.81
Adz
The real hero.

00:01:56.41
youcantcompthis
All right. Let's do something a bit different this week. So I found this on Facebook. It's basically about quite landed. It's some funny stories about quite landed. I thought we'd just share with each other and I think it's so good.

00:02:09.47
Adz
Was hay telling funny stories or they're just a funny story?

00:02:11.99
youcantcompthis
I think they're funny stories about him, but I think that we should almost make this a segment moving forward. We just try and find all these funny stories online about quiet Leonard and each week we just share a different story. I don't know how many funny stories are out there about quiet Leonard, but let's give it a go. So the first one, he lived in San Antonio with his mother, despite signing a $94 million dollars contract. I think there's a few other funny stories about that with him too, is that he still drives the same car that he drove in college and he's quite particular with his money.

00:02:39.23
Adz
Oh, wow. Yep.

00:02:43.18
youcantcompthis
every night he played Jenga with his mum while eating enchiladas. He just sat, just sits around playing Jenga eating enchiladas. And he, how, I don't even know how he got this, but he basically, he's got this unlimited lifetime coupon from Wingstop. And so,

00:03:02.35
Adz
It's one of his first endorsements, surely.

00:03:06.07
youcantcompthis
I mean, if if he's not endorsed by them, yet he should be by now.

00:03:11.03
Adz
Yes.

00:03:11.30
youcantcompthis
Then he loses it one day and apparently he was just freaking out for days because now he has to like, you know, pay for his own enchiladas and wings and all this type of stuff.

00:03:17.44
Adz
Oh no.

00:03:19.27
youcantcompthis
And they hooked him up with, with, with free wings until they replenished his supply basically. So that's our quiet landed story number one.

00:03:24.86
Adz
Yep.

00:03:31.33
youcantcompthis
And then the second one, which is probably a little bit funnier to be honest, they were at a San Antonio Spurs team dinner.

00:03:37.76
Adz
ye

00:03:38.40
youcantcompthis
The waiter comes around to take the orders, quiet Leonard, waves them all off and Greg Popovich, the coach notices him waving off the waiter and so goes over to talk to him about, it you know, what's going on. So his reply is, Apple time, apple time, pulls out a bag of apples and proceeds to eat 12 apples with a knife and a fork. Costanza style, just in the middle of a restaurant.

00:04:04.91
Adz
I like, what the?

00:04:11.30
Adz
He didn't like distribute them, he ate them all to himself. He didn't give everybody.

00:04:14.32
youcantcompthis
with a knife and a fork, by the way, too, just in the middle of a restaurant.

00:04:18.35
Adz
I mean, one guy eating 12 apples with a knife and fork, that's, he is not wired.

00:04:22.45
youcantcompthis
Man, the output on that too would have been epic.

00:04:25.02
Adz
he He is not wired correctly. I thought when you said 12, I thought when you said 12, everybody in the team got an apple.

00:04:28.47
youcantcompthis
No,

00:04:34.14
youcantcompthis
no that was 12.

00:04:34.87
Adz
and then got allocated a knife and fork to eat the apple with.

00:04:37.17
youcantcompthis
So his dinner was 12 apples that he ate, the knife and fork.

00:04:38.88
Adz
12 apples. Hey, how do you like them apples?

00:04:41.95
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:04:44.48
youcantcompthis
alright I think I've milked that sound effect for all it's worth, but umm I'm certain it's going to be back.

00:04:48.43
Adz
That's all right, it'll be back. um It's coming back.

00:04:53.28
youcantcompthis
So last week, you know, one of the joys about doing a live podcast is sometimes we ask questions and I just don't know the answer to them. So I found the answer. You were asking me about.

00:05:01.94
Adz
Mm.

00:05:02.18
youcantcompthis
how much Wambies have been selling for the last couple of years. So this is courtesy of at five guys from Instagram. If you don't follow them, they're a pretty good follow. January 24, as in 2024,

00:05:13.31
Adz
Yep.

00:05:16.20
youcantcompthis
Sold for 2,500. February, 2,750. March dropped down quite a bit, 2,175. April, 2,258. These are all US dollar figures. And then a huge drop into May, 1,150. June, 850. So you can see here the the level that it's moved from. Basically, it's it's gone down by 66%, if not more.

00:05:37.46
Adz
Wow.

00:05:40.87
youcantcompthis
And then July, it's picked up a little bit to 1,082.

00:05:44.88
Adz
Is he a thousand dollar rookie card?

00:05:48.53
youcantcompthis
I mean, I don't have a problem with it. Like the amount of, I think the amount of potential that he's got in skill and size and all the rest of it is, it's super tantalizing.

00:05:50.46
Adz
I didn't think that's a bad, I don't think that's a bad level to be at, right? You're looking at Tatum, Luca.

00:06:01.15
Adz
and yeah

00:06:02.29
youcantcompthis
I've got no real problem with that. I think what I really do have a problem, it's just a population on these, like the population on these, this is going to be more than Luca.

00:06:09.30
Adz
It's be through the roof, isn't it?

00:06:11.00
youcantcompthis
It's going to be more than Jar. It's going to be more than Zion. And I don't want to say something crazy like, Oh, it's going to be more than all these guys combined. But I wouldn't be surprised that.

00:06:18.37
Adz
Bigger than Ben Hur.

00:06:19.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's going to be crazy.

00:06:20.16
Adz
Yep.

00:06:20.95
youcantcompthis
So i thought I think the thing with him is, and I think this is a segment for us to do in the future.

00:06:21.46
Adz
It is.

00:06:24.99
youcantcompthis
Actually, I was thinking about that this week and I didn't follow it up. is So we say silver is no good. Base prisms are no good. What is good to buy for wenbies? Then we go through and we can do a little bit of a card exploration because there are some really cool cards out there.

00:06:35.19
Adz
Oh, look at, look at other stuff too. Yeah.

00:06:41.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:41.31
youcantcompthis
It's coming out for a panini. And this I think that's a little bit of the problem too with the release schedule this year is that it's coming on so hot and heavy. One release comes out, nice cards come out. Then we move on to the next one straight away. Like, Donruss, yeah, Donruss Optic has just landed.

00:06:53.55
Adz
You forget about some of them, don't you? it's Yeah.

00:06:59.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:59.41
youcantcompthis
Well, it's been out a little while now, but there's the Slammy cards in that, which are, they're really cool cards, but not a lot of people are talking about them. So, you know, it gives us an opportunity to look at through the, you know, the case hits out of each product. So that's how we do that.

00:07:11.40
Adz
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, not a bad little deep dove. Yeah.

00:07:15.75
youcantcompthis
All righty, this came into my feed. from hda so basically they've closed the doors on grading at the moment and this is not the first time this company has actually made this decision so yeah so this is the third time that they've stopped taking cards in for a while if you're not familiar with hda you would definitely have seen their slabs but you just might not have recognized them so basically when you

00:07:28.70
Adz
raceru Restructured. a

00:07:41.11
youcantcompthis
do your submission to HGA, you can also choose the color format up the top, so we all know how much Adam love you love a good color match.

00:07:45.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:48.40
Adz
I do love a good color match.

00:07:50.97
youcantcompthis
So you can color match your slab to the card. The other thing you can do too is, and I'm not too sure if they offer this anymore, but they'll definitely doing this for a while, essentially you can do like a custom

00:07:53.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:00.14
youcantcompthis
Label we can pick your color schemes and you can go through and choose the color on the fonts and all this type of stuff So I think for like Pokemon in particular It's you know, it's fantastic if you've got different colored parallels and you want to match that together again.

00:08:02.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:13.91
youcantcompthis
That's really cool HDA make their

00:08:13.99
Adz
Mmm.

00:08:19.23
youcantcompthis
claim to fame within the the grading world using AI and they've been talking about, you know, using computer integrated grading, you know, for quite a long time.

00:08:23.95
Adz
Mmm.

00:08:30.68
youcantcompthis
But for some reason, it It's more of a novelty than a true well-regarded grading company. I think that, you know, also the joke behind HGA is that you can get a 10 from them, but it'll be an eight from VGS and it'll be, you know, an eight or a seven or a nine from PSA. Like, you know, there's always that variability with PSA too.

00:08:50.89
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:08:53.04
youcantcompthis
So. HGA has changed hands a couple of times in the last, you know, and again, they're they're closing down their doors and they're going to remodel. So that's what basically this whole thing is about.

00:09:01.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:03.04
youcantcompthis
Given what we have learned, we have decided to restructure our business model, change our website and ordering platform and bring on an operating partner that understands this industry and has a passion for it. Unfortunately this means we'll have to pause orders temporarily while we undergo these changes. We'll finish out the cards we have in our pipeline and then go to work creating this new model and finding the right partner and leader. We will launch a model that focuses on these customers that appreciate our amazing custom labels, our quality cases and our consistent grading.

00:09:35.39
youcantcompthis
When we relaunch, our model will be simple, high quality, and really catered to the collector that appreciates the high quality offered by HGA. That's probably enough for us for doing the read through, but where are you at with HGA?

00:09:44.46
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:09:47.55
youcantcompthis
a Is it something that interests you? Are you not interested?

00:09:50.12
Adz
Look, i think I thought it was very interesting the way they went about things. I thought it was ah different. and And if it had have gone well, I guess it would have been a nice, I don't know, alternative grading company.

00:10:08.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

00:10:09.50
Adz
But like with any any of the smaller graders, like just the smallest bit of negative press kind of kills them. And and when they when they were struggling with the backlog, when slabs were coming back and it was not the greatest. um Yeah, they had a lot of hiccups. I do like the custom slabs. Don't get me wrong, i the the aesthetics of those were cool. But as far as the numbers on them, I wasn't overly keen.

00:10:38.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, the aesthetics and also too, they do the horizontal slab probably better than any grading company. That's the the two things they do quite well.

00:10:45.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:10:46.38
youcantcompthis
But I think once you sort of step past that, so I'm just looking and at the moment on GEM rate. So shout out to Ryan for all your amazing work. They're not in the top four of of any

00:10:56.61
Adz
So they don't they don't appear in population reports as they come under other.

00:11:02.07
youcantcompthis
I can't see them in any stats that Ryan's put up. I'm looking through the monthly, the weekly, the daily stuff. This is not one day that they pop up because, you know, some days, depending on the grading numbers, so I'm looking at July 16th, PSA didn't submit any stats at all for that day, but that to me sort of gives an opportunity for another grading company to jump into that fourth spot, but there's just nothing there yet.

00:11:09.10
Adz
They've even. Ah. and Fill the void kind of thing. Yeah, and this is the thing, like, it's a not a monopoly, well, it is a monopolized market, let's be, let's be real. Like PSA, by and far, they have a monopoly.

00:11:38.18
youcantcompthis
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's more that they dominate the market than monopolize it.

00:11:43.63
Adz
Yeah, I guess that's hand in hand. I think I think their success has grown their dominance. Like the the more, there's no there's no one that buys in and they've been and they've been acquiring other companies as well, absorbing them in.

00:11:55.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:11:56.80
Adz
I just don't think there's room to enter this market now.

00:12:01.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, the thing I worry about is I wonder that because these guys have been bought and sold a few times that they were bought and sold during COVID when it was crazy on the assumption that those numbers would keep on coming.

00:12:10.47
Adz
Hmm.

00:12:13.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:13.76
youcantcompthis
And now that we've had this, you know, very large downturn and no one's really too sure.

00:12:16.43
Adz
Hmm.

00:12:18.51
youcantcompthis
Are we at the bottom yet? Are we close to the bottom? Are we past the bottom of things, you know, getting good again? But

00:12:23.93
Adz
Yeah, I think that's a really, that's a good point.

00:12:26.27
youcantcompthis
And I wonder if also too, you know, part of their modeling that they created previously was like, they'll base it on X numbers. Now they're getting.

00:12:33.81
Adz
vol A particular volume.

00:12:35.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:12:35.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:35.84
youcantcompthis
Y numbers, which is much less. So look, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world. They sort of stop and, you know, restructure, but at the same time too, I think it does definitely hurt their branding.

00:12:45.19
Adz
Sure.

00:12:45.31
youcantcompthis
I do think though, the main thing that you would want to do in all of this, I think if anyone is making their own grading companies, you want to get bought out by PSA, honestly. And I say this in a very complimentary way.

00:12:57.15
Adz
Yeah, you want to be regarded that highly.

00:12:57.26
youcantcompthis
I think you try and build up a business.

00:12:58.79
Adz
Yeah, agreed.

00:12:59.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah, get into them into PSA, get them to buy you out and then, you know, basically take over and just be like another outlet for them. And I i think the same thing about Aussie graders too, you know, there's a few graders in Australia and I do almost wonder, like, would it be better for PSA to have these sort of little island companies around the world instead of getting them all sent back?

00:13:11.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:17.89
youcantcompthis
I think that causes other problems with quality control and regulation, as I know you love to talk about, ad but I don't know, in my head, that kind of makes sense.

00:13:21.27
Adz
yeah

00:13:23.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:26.46
Adz
there's a consider There'd be a consistency problem there with being able to guarantee the same quality coming out of different sites and in different countries, I guess.

00:13:31.08
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:35.33
Adz
But yeah, but like is speaking of the quality, I think the aesthetics of the of those slabs, they're good.

00:13:37.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:13:43.26
Adz
I've always liked the aesthetics of the h HGA slab. And I think they make cool show pieces, but I don't think I'd be getting high quality cards created with them.

00:13:57.74
youcantcompthis
yeah It's a PC only thing for me and and frankly.

00:14:01.79
Adz
Yeah, and that's the thing, like you can make a really cool, you can have a great setup, like a nice little cute PC and then get them slabbed in HGA slabs to make it look really pop.

00:14:15.04
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think to be honest with you, I'd rather just a really nice one touch.

00:14:20.10
Adz
Maybe that's their next move.

00:14:25.13
youcantcompthis
I don't want to be that guy in the room, but you know, but yeah, i for me to like to PSA a one touch or a top load of this in the back, that's kind of my like one, two and three gold, silver and bronze medal, keeping in with an Olympics vein.

00:14:28.75
Adz
Is it a product we need?

00:14:35.65
Adz
ah

00:14:42.06
Adz
Yeah, I don't think they're on the podium in these guys.

00:14:44.35
youcantcompthis
All righty. PWCC made an announcement. Basically, it was around a card that was sent into their platform and sold. It turned out to be a fake card that had an autograph on it. So their reaction to this or their changing their policy is in order to ensure Fanatics Collect is the most trusted platform for collectors, we are implementing an important policy update. Effective today, we will no longer permit the sale of autograph-only authenticated cards on our marketplace.

00:15:12.76
Adz
Mm.

00:15:12.81
youcantcompthis
Feedback from the collecting community has made it clear that the authenticity of autograph-only authenticated cards can be misinterpreted at 100%.

00:15:21.70
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:15:21.99
youcantcompthis
that' or you can also say two is that they sold a fake card i mean I think they have, I think they are taking accountability, but they could also say to, you know, really what happened. This decision ensures that every collector can trust they're buying a complete verified product with the highest standards of authenticity. We look forward to continuing to provide an exceptional Mark Blake experience. So that's good outcome. um I think this is really your platform, Adam, to to talk about regulation.

00:15:51.23
Adz
it's ah It's a tricky one, isn't it? it's It's very much a... What are we grading at the moment? like What are they selling? What are we... Because people buy graded cards for a level of... um What would the word be? Assurance. That the card they're buying they're buying is is genuine and authentic.

00:16:14.51
youcantcompthis
Definitely.

00:16:18.16
youcantcompthis
Particularly PSA yeah with their money back guarantee.

00:16:19.42
Adz
Correct. So if an autograph is authenticated, it says authentic on the card on the on the slab.

00:16:21.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:16:30.09
Adz
If the cards not real, but the authentic in the the autograph is basically people are trying to sell a narrative that it's an authentic card.

00:16:35.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:16:37.71
youcantcompthis
i think

00:16:42.66
youcantcompthis
I think that's a bit on PSA too. And you know, maybe one thing about all these companies like coming together and essentially forming alliances, I wonder if there's going to be direct communication now between fanatics and PSA.

00:16:45.89
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:16:54.40
Adz
information sharing or yeah.

00:16:55.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, like, so this is the problem that we had, you know, you are definitely part of this equation. Okay, what can you do to, it you know, improve this situation for everyone?

00:17:01.52
Adz
Mm.

00:17:03.65
youcantcompthis
Because, you know, if they're, that's the big sell from fanatics at the moment, isn't it?

00:17:04.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:08.75
youcantcompthis
Oh, we're gonna like, improve the hobby, we're gonna fix the hobby, like where the problems are. So that's the type of stuff where I see this sort of, yeah, this big overlord or, you know, the big person in charge, I think this is where you can see some gains here, you know, 100%.

00:17:14.06
Adz
They're going to bring everyone together. Mm.

00:17:22.26
youcantcompthis
So, and I,

00:17:22.50
Adz
yeah Yeah. I ah don't disagree with the policy. I think it's it's really um i think it's really savvy of them to be to be doing it, but there's a comment there on the on the Instagram post.

00:17:35.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:17:37.42
Adz
The highest Jordan ah sold close to $3 million dollars recently, and that wouldn't be eligible under this policy is the comment.

00:17:47.09
youcantcompthis
Oh, okay.

00:17:48.76
Adz
There are replies, I'll read them.

00:17:52.98
youcantcompthis
Because the card is fake.

00:17:57.26
Adz
Is it, I don't know which one he's referring to.

00:17:58.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's a bit tricky, isn't it? You're not too sure. Yeah.

00:18:00.98
Adz
Is it the Jordan, the the new, no, it's

00:18:03.76
youcantcompthis
Well, as far as I know, the ones we're talking about last week, they haven't gone to market. They're still in someone's collection.

00:18:08.01
Adz
a collection and they were offered 100 million, so it's more than 3 million.

00:18:10.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:13.35
Adz
Why would that not be, why would the um one of one, the logo man one, why would that have not been,

00:18:21.14
youcantcompthis
Maybe it was trimmed, who knows?

00:18:23.31
Adz
Nice bit of attention.

00:18:24.92
youcantcompthis
Sounds like you're asking me questions again. I need to research and find out for next week, dad.

00:18:28.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:29.02
youcantcompthis
You supposed to, yeah.

00:18:30.97
Adz
i and but Me in research? You're hearing it live here first. Oh yeah, no, no, they've collected, they're specifying, yeah. Currently, if it's just a trading card, yeah. That it's, yeah. Basically, they're what we were just talking about. If it's a genuine card to the Jordan, I think the Jordan would be fine.

00:18:47.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:51.27
youcantcompthis
All right. Let's, um, I'm going to say this last comment, then we'll go off to a break. Okay. So this is from at Brooklyn vintage cards. Secondary market order should not be permitted. I'm all about this. I, for me, all this secondary market autograph stuff is an absolute load of nonsense.

00:19:03.66
Adz
I love that.

00:19:04.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:19:05.16
Adz
I love it. It's, um, Yep.

00:19:07.45
youcantcompthis
Why do you need secondary market autographs? Just get autograph cards from the panini light. All right. Break time. See you in a minute.

00:19:14.52
Adz
See you in a minute.

00:19:19.14
youcantcompthis
Okay, so, all right, 19 minutes. Let's call it 30. All right, so we'll come back and we'll talk about the CT scanner.

00:19:30.22
Adz
Sweet.

00:19:32.94
youcantcompthis
All righty, we're back. Adam, have you got a drink? Have you topped up your beverage?

00:19:36.51
Adz
ah do I do, i have i'm I have water in case I need to hydrate.

00:19:42.14
youcantcompthis
Great. don't want to be dehydrated. That's for sure.

00:19:46.15
Adz
Correct, correct.

00:19:47.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All right. This next story, I've deliberately left it a few rungs down because I feel like every other media outlet has been covering this straight off the top of the bat and ad nauseam. So you might want to skip through this because you've already heard enough about it. You don't want to listen to this nonsense again. And also there's other people that have probably covered it but better, but at the same time, there'll definitely be some people out there that haven't heard about this. So essentially, A story came out, it's being picked up by all of the big dogs, the names that I don't want to hear. Eric Whiteback also mentioned it. I actually don't know who is the original person who um brought this to light, but it wasn't a large account who posted the original video. But basically what it is, is someone's taken

00:20:35.00
youcantcompthis
a case of flawless and put it into a CT scanner and then the information they've derived out of that is that you can tell the types of patches that's in the card so you can't actually tell the player name it won't give you that much detail back

00:20:36.60
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:20:51.19
youcantcompthis
but it will show you this the shape or the size of the patch.

00:20:55.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:56.01
youcantcompthis
So, for example, and where this becomes relevant is logomins can be then you can say, okay, great.

00:20:56.90
Adz
Yep.

00:21:01.94
youcantcompthis
So, this is a one-on-one logomin in this box.

00:21:02.84
Adz
That's a logo, man. Yep.

00:21:04.85
youcantcompthis
So, we want this case and we want it you know for ourselves. So, I currently or slash previously worked in the healthcare industry. So I still have some friends that I still keep up with. And I reached out to my buddy who is a radiologist. And he was basically saying to me that to be able to take a box of cards and put it into a CT machine, you would either have to be a radiologist or radiographer yourself, which narrows it down to a pretty small margin.

00:21:35.93
Adz
Mhm.

00:21:40.21
Adz
Yeah, quite a bit.

00:21:42.27
youcantcompthis
or you would have to own your own medical practice. He's like, that's kind of the only two scenarios that it would be. He then said to run a machine like that, he's like, it's about 300 Aussie per go, give or take a few dollars either way, right? um He also then said too, with the logs, he's like, it's very difficult to remove data out of these logs. So it's like, your boss would then know that you're putting briefcases. Let's just say your boss doesn't know what's in the cases.

00:22:14.52
youcantcompthis
Let's say it like that, but your boss would then know you're putting in 50 briefcases a year into a CT machine. and They'll be like, like, what's up with that? So I, I understand.

00:22:25.83
Adz
Oh, this is, I've got ideas going through my head now.

00:22:30.53
youcantcompthis
No, no. So let's hear your ideas and and I'll finish off where I was going with this.

00:22:35.06
Adz
But like, does that inspire people to be like, hey boss, I've got this really cool hobby. ah want I want to get you in on this to get permission to use the CT machine.

00:22:45.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:22:48.17
youcantcompthis
So that's, so people have come ah about this from two different ways. So some people are saying, great, you've shown people how to scam people. Now more people know how to scam.

00:22:57.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:57.19
youcantcompthis
And then the other side of people are like, well, now it's been brought to light. So now, you know, we know about it. Yeah.

00:23:02.74
Adz
You're really probably not stopping people from doing this if they want to.

00:23:08.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think for me, it's almost like the the joke that I have in my head about the ways that you can get scammed in this hobby. It's just like add it to the list of just another way that, you know, people can do it. And, but, yeah.

00:23:20.18
Adz
That said, if you're a reputable seller, so, and, and someone goes, I'd like to buy a box of flawless off you. And I get a box and I nick off and I come back and go, I don't want this one, I want another one.

00:23:36.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:23:36.94
Adz
You know what I mean? Like if I'm running off and doing a CT scan and saying, nah, I don't want this one, I want another one.

00:23:42.87
youcantcompthis
i I think the the probability that this happens to to search boxes in this manner, I would say it's very, very small. And I think that's where I was trying to go with that narrative that I was laying down before.

00:23:51.66
Adz
Yeah, I'm just, I'm like,

00:23:53.36
youcantcompthis
it's like Because when I heard about this, outrage is not the right word, but I was kind of like, this doesn't really fit well sit well with me. I don't agree with it. like It's just another crappy way that people can take advantage of someone else, and then someone else foots your bill.

00:24:05.72
Adz
Correct.

00:24:07.85
youcantcompthis
I think that's like that's the part of it that I'm kind of a bit like, ugh, that sucks.

00:24:11.97
Adz
I...

00:24:12.19
youcantcompthis
But I think realistically, the number of people that are going about and doing this and profiting from it, like that's a thing too.

00:24:12.97
Adz
I think it's funny.

00:24:19.78
youcantcompthis
Like if it costs you, well, again, I suppose someone else is footing the bill for running the CT machine, aren't they? You know, like, yeah, I don't know how many people are actually, you know, doing this.

00:24:33.25
Adz
I'm telling my boss that for a $10,000 investment, if they run a few CT scans, what the average going rate of a logo man is, let's see if it's worth the risk.

00:24:33.40
youcantcompthis
um

00:24:43.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I mean, that's true. Like the, you know, what's the cheapest Logan, $2,000, $3,000, something like that.

00:24:51.63
Adz
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I do think it's a lot of effort to go to. um And yeah, I'd have suspicions if people were turning boxes and going, I don't want this one.

00:24:59.64
youcantcompthis
Well, I wonder if it will be someone say,

00:25:05.64
Adz
or if they bought them in bulk and then tried to resell them.

00:25:08.32
youcantcompthis
you had access to that many boxes and then with cherry picking the boxes out, yeah.

00:25:10.58
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:15.52
Adz
You reckon back out breaks have bought themselves a CT scanner?

00:25:15.66
youcantcompthis
But so there's... Well, did they have a run of logarman?

00:25:27.59
Adz
They've had to run a pretty crazy hit.

00:25:30.91
youcantcompthis
But specifically, were they logarman cards?

00:25:33.45
Adz
so tonight I I can't even remember. I just know they hit all the big stuff. And that was my there was one um one of one, oh no, they've hit some logo, man.

00:25:42.33
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:25:45.98
Adz
But I'm just saying, is it really worth it?

00:25:50.34
youcantcompthis
I think if you can give pit particular breakers loaded boxes, yeah, it makes sense for that.

00:25:58.06
Adz
It's, I don't know, it's an advantage, but God, it's a, yeah, no, I just, I see it as way too much effort for ru for very not for limited reward.

00:26:11.77
youcantcompthis
It's a pretty large conspiracy. I'll definitely say that.

00:26:15.03
Adz
You can't identify who the player is. Yeah, I don't know.

00:26:25.13
Adz
I don't know, it just seems like a lot of work to go to. I mean, there's a lot of money on the line.

00:26:28.56
youcantcompthis
I think for

00:26:31.07
youcantcompthis
I think for me, like where this really comes down to is like buying off people that you trust because like, like for me, I'm, I'm pretty particular about who I purchased from.

00:26:36.68
Adz
ah Great, a great. Yeah, that's that's that's a good point.

00:26:42.85
youcantcompthis
And I think part of that reason is because like, I know the boxes aren't messed around with.

00:26:43.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:47.44
youcantcompthis
I know that the cards inside are going to be fine. And I know that if there's a problem, I've got someone to talk to and then the issue gets resolved.

00:26:53.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:54.96
youcantcompthis
Like, and I feel like. most likely my gut feeling around this is this is not someone who is a big player in the market.

00:27:01.40
Adz
Oh, no.

00:27:03.40
youcantcompthis
I don't think this is going to be a day of in Adams. I don't think this is going to be like latent sports cards or, you know, someone like that who's doing distribution. I think this is probably gonna be someone who's, you know, getting it. wherever they're getting it from. And then they're essentially becoming like a middleman, you know, in some type of equation, whether they're selling to breakers or they're selling to people who want to buy sealed boxes. Yeah.

00:27:26.34
Adz
yeah

00:27:26.53
youcantcompthis
um So my final thought on this, though, is that there's no evidence that they can put a regular hobby box into it.

00:27:31.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:32.51
youcantcompthis
So, for example, you can't put a prism hobby box into it and go, oh, there's a nebula in this. There's not the ability for them to do that. They can literally only see what type of patches. That's the only information they can get out that's usable. So it's a very small, specific product that they could do it to.

00:27:46.39
Adz
Okay, so there' yeah.

00:27:50.89
youcantcompthis
Maybe they could do it to iMac.

00:27:53.54
Adz
Okay.

00:27:53.64
youcantcompthis
um Maybe they could do it to national treasures, to something along those lines. And that, you know, that's what it's sort of limited down to.

00:27:59.68
Adz
Yeah, okay.

00:28:00.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:28:02.86
youcantcompthis
Did you want to have the final sale of this in terms of regulation of the hobby?

00:28:07.25
Adz
Oh look, I don't think there needs to be a clause built in for people using CT scanners, that's all right, to the regulations.

00:28:12.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah. It's not going to make it into your manifesto.

00:28:17.01
Adz
No, no, no. I don't think we'll have to um get sign off for the to to to prohibit the use of CT scanners.

00:28:26.76
youcantcompthis
All righty. Whose stat line is this zero point zero 15 field goals, zero of seven from three in a recent summary.

00:28:40.42
Adz
Bronnie. It's Bronnie. It's Bronnie, isn't it? Surely it's Bronnie James. He's a bust. His dad's overseas playing in the Olympics and Bronnie's a bust.

00:28:51.62
youcantcompthis
It was unfortunately not Brony James because I feel like...

00:28:55.87
Adz
Fortunately, not Bronnie James, I think.

00:28:57.59
youcantcompthis
Did I say fortunately or unfortunately?

00:28:59.39
Adz
Unfortunately.

00:29:01.12
youcantcompthis
Well, fortunately, yeah, what I was going to say was fortunately it's not him because I feel like that would have been news for a week. Honestly.

00:29:09.96
Adz
I think Bronny's stat line was a little bit better than that.

00:29:10.08
youcantcompthis
It was actually Alex. Alex Starr was the the gentleman with that stat line, so he's the number two

00:29:15.42
Adz
He was picked higher than Bronny, wasn't he?

00:29:20.30
youcantcompthis
slightly like an entire round earlier yeah so i think like for me there's two parts of this the first part is i would say most games once i've missed 10 shots in a row in a game i'm kind of like look i'm not going to shoot any anymore this week or this game i'm going to like just do other things out there but this guy's got the confidence to keep going so you know

00:29:21.76
Adz
ah ah Yep.

00:29:35.87
Adz
yep

00:29:38.32
youcantcompthis
Godspeed, Alex R.

00:29:39.56
Adz
Good on him.

00:29:40.86
youcantcompthis
Secondly, this just fits into the whole Washington Wizards culture, I feel like. You know, now they've got two Jordan Pools to essentially to manage out there.

00:29:49.06
Adz
they're um They'll be building a mansion, but the amount of bricks they've got.

00:29:49.06
youcantcompthis
So you've got Jordan Pool. The Alex R. Jordan Pool pick and roll this year is going to be fire, absolute fire mate. It's only going to be only comparable to say, I don't know, Chris Paul and Wembley. That's the only two I can like really compare it to.

00:30:02.61
Adz
They're the big combos.

00:30:04.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:08.20
Adz
The Pulsar Mansion is is under construction.

00:30:12.19
youcantcompthis
Far out.

00:30:13.00
Adz
Bricks galore.

00:30:14.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:17.40
Adz
I knew that was coming back. Oh God, it's so good.

00:30:25.91
youcantcompthis
All right. I promise I won't do it again. Okay. This is actually from 130 points. So hello, Lane. I hope your trip in America is going very, very nicely. And this one, I wish I was a fly on the wall to hear about this and find out what's going on. So May 21, this card was graded. This is the Michael Jordan All-Star Game War jersey from 1997. It was graded at near mint eight and autograph nine.

00:30:58.29
youcantcompthis
Now for some unbelievable reason, they cracked it out and sent it back to PSA for grading. And it was regraded with a PSA six and autograph 10. So there has to be some story about this and I would really like to find out about why.

00:31:19.24
Adz
The patch...

00:31:19.46
youcantcompthis
ah Just for some small other context that recently sold for $2.1 million. dollars Sorry mate, I interrupted you.

00:31:25.89
Adz
is Is this the... um Well, I'm looking at the two photos and the um the grading of six looks like the card's yellowed.

00:31:39.50
Adz
Or is that just a different scan of it?

00:31:41.31
youcantcompthis
It could be a different scanner. It could have discolored in that time, but that seems like a lot of discoloration and three year period.

00:31:46.14
Adz
Just, yeah, it's a lot to...

00:31:52.09
Adz
Yeah, it's, i I don't understand. So it's ah it's the same company that have graded it.

00:31:57.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. It's PSA to PSA.

00:31:59.40
Adz
Wow.

00:32:00.80
youcantcompthis
So just looking through the comments here is that a couple of people said they cracked it out to resub it to see if it would go up.

00:32:08.37
Adz
and

00:32:08.99
youcantcompthis
So that's that makes a lot of logical sense. Someone else also said in the comments well when they cracked it out, they damaged it. That definitely makes sense to me and I'm not going to lie to you.

00:32:16.90
Adz
oh Okay. how but How does cracking it up the quality of the autograph?

00:32:24.93
Adz
If they get the autograph, actually, I'll say that maybe there's more data on the autograph now. So it is, it is like actually that is a high, higher quality autograph than they originally gave it credit for due to the increased sample of Jordan autographs.

00:32:40.33
youcantcompthis
Or it could just be the inconsistencies that we have with grading because I think, you know, we were just talking about HGA, how that they have some irregularities with their grading.

00:32:49.45
Adz
Hmm.

00:32:51.16
youcantcompthis
But I think to be fair to PSA, it's pretty common for people to crack and resub cards after they've cleaned it or polished it or used or not used.

00:33:00.33
Adz
Spill water on it.

00:33:02.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Neds. Yeah. So.

00:33:07.44
Adz
it's ah It's a lot of differences. that's fair but that's yeah To go from PSA 8 to PSA 6.

00:33:13.14
youcantcompthis
The theory of it, yeah, so the theory of it being cracked out, I think there is some logic to that, because again, I was reading online that none of this is verified in any capacity, is that the person was actually compensated for it though.

00:33:13.27
Adz
It'd have to be damaged yet.

00:33:22.19
Adz
No.

00:33:25.79
youcantcompthis
And I think the only reason why you would be compensated by PSA is if the PSA team while they're cracking it, and you can pay them to crack it out for you.

00:33:32.62
Adz
Damaged it. Oh.

00:33:39.35
youcantcompthis
So for example, if you purchase a card, so if your play is to purchase BGS cards or SGC cards off eBay, send them into PSA for a resub, they they will crack them and then grade them and do that for you.

00:33:46.67
Adz
And re-sub them.

00:33:49.72
Adz
They'll crack them.

00:33:53.76
Adz
Oh.

00:33:54.76
youcantcompthis
yeah So that is definitely something you can do or you can crack it out yourself because I feel as though

00:33:55.10
Adz
I might do that then.

00:33:58.76
Adz
Hmm.

00:34:02.49
youcantcompthis
I personally think you're better at cracking it out yourself because then you're sending in a card that they have an unbiased opinion of before they look at it.

00:34:09.88
Adz
Mmm.

00:34:12.41
youcantcompthis
The other thing you can do too is, and this is what there was a video from Backyard Breaks talking about, they described it as a hack, but you can also send in a card that's encapsulated or graded already and you say you only want it to be graded if it's PSA 10.

00:34:23.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:28.50
youcantcompthis
So they actually look at it in the encapsulation and they don't pull it out unless they're going to give it a 10. if they give it a nine or an eight, they just send it back to you and you still have to pay the grading fee though.

00:34:38.87
Adz
Oh, wow.

00:34:41.94
youcantcompthis
So that's the catch in that.

00:34:47.66
Adz
Interesting.

00:34:48.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:34:50.77
Adz
Okay.

00:34:54.13
Adz
and Okay. Still a lot of difference, but you're right. Could you just be, yeah, they've cooked it. They've stuffed it as they've cracked it. And and look, you're right.

00:35:02.04
youcantcompthis
I reckon that's what's happened, yeah.

00:35:04.05
Adz
The overall grade on it might be nine point, but like it'd be around a 9.5, but they're rounding and someone rounded down and the next person rounded up.

00:35:10.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah, 100%. I reckon that type of stuff would govern all the time there.

00:35:12.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:14.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:16.75
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, let's go to our next music break. Looking forward to some tunes.

00:35:26.79
youcantcompthis
I think the next thing to talk about is Jordans.

00:35:33.46
Adz
Ah.

00:35:37.11
youcantcompthis
I just got a new keyboard and it's um one of those ergonomic ones. So my hands are not in the right place half the time. So I'm typing gibberish.

00:35:49.09
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we are back. Part three of today's show. And we're going to get back to some Jordan. Again, back to back Jordan.

00:35:58.68
Adz
Sticking back-to-back Jordans.

00:36:01.96
youcantcompthis
right I wanted to talk about this card with you for two reasons the first one is it's Michael Jordan it's always good to look at some card porn when it comes to Jordan now the next thing to talk about with this card is it's hoops there's not that many

00:36:09.98
Adz
Yep.

00:36:16.44
youcantcompthis
hoops and not considered generally that chaseable, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So this is from 1997. The insert set is called high voltage.

00:36:23.30
Adz
Okay. Like it.

00:36:26.64
youcantcompthis
We have a listener question later in the show, and maybe this is a perfect time now to actually delve into this listener question, which is talking about inserts. But this is the exception to the rule where hoops is chaseable and it's something that you should be looking to get. So this is PSA 8.

00:36:43.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:45.37
youcantcompthis
It's actually 8.5 but that's fine. Population on this is just 8.

00:36:52.33
Adz
Okay.

00:36:54.70
youcantcompthis
Now the last sale on this was 1050. So that's a pretty you know nice little return on that card.

00:37:04.41
Adz
It is given. Yeah. to Yeah. Yeah.

00:37:10.01
youcantcompthis
My thing about this is that, yeah, it's low population, but I just think you can spend $1,000 better somewhere else. Like I'm not, I'm definitely not poo pooing this purchase.

00:37:23.23
Adz
um so but i'm I'm seeing all these these Jordan inserts just skyrocket, right?

00:37:28.29
youcantcompthis
We've talked about this, that particular thing that you just said, we've actually mentioned that before on the show.

00:37:32.36
Adz
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:33.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:33.92
Adz
So, and it is it just like people, I don't know. Because I feel like the pop count on this isn't isn't a factor. though like they I'm sure there were thousands of them printed. And you know what, it's hoops. We'd probably be able to get a box of 97 hoops.

00:37:54.87
youcantcompthis
I think the issue with, so let's talk about this card in particular, and you you mentioned pop count.

00:37:58.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:00.32
youcantcompthis
I agree with you. I think a lot of this would have been printed, but I think the issue was, and you know, we're nearly talking about 20 years ago now, it's the preservation of those cards.

00:38:07.27
Adz
20 years ago, yep.

00:38:11.72
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

00:38:12.52
youcantcompthis
And particularly when you talk about hoops, like you think about who purchased and handled hoops, it was kids, and it still is kids these days too, right? It's the same thing. so I reckon you're right. I think there's heaps of these, but how many of them are in mint or near mint condition?

00:38:29.42
Adz
oh

00:38:29.67
youcantcompthis
Probably, probably not that many of them, you know, and then also too, they just, you know, came up with this beautiful design. So yeah.

00:38:35.95
Adz
what what What about a challenge to the to the listeners? or I'm doing a bit of research. I'm going to try and do a bit of background research. I won't i won't do it all now.

00:38:46.42
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:38:47.47
Adz
1997 hoops box.

00:39:00.37
Adz
96, 97, Series 2 hoops. That's ah that's expensive. That can't be it. Oh, maybe it is. Series 2 unopened? Nah, don't worry, don't don't mind me. Oh, 96, 97, is that because it's Kobe's year?

00:39:21.22
youcantcompthis
I think that's Kobe rookie. I think my, my recollection to some of that series two stuff is quite expensive because they often put the rookies into that.

00:39:23.02
Adz
Yeah, it might be, because it's like 2000 US for a box.

00:39:31.59
Adz
Okay, oh, that's series. Oh, no, that's series one.

00:39:37.48
Adz
97, 98, what the hell is this then? Okay, well, that's crap. ah Anyway, I'm um'm like, how much would there be?

00:39:42.97
youcantcompthis
Anyway, where are you going with this? Yeah.

00:39:44.79
Adz
My thought was, how much would it cost you to rip a couple of boxes of this, get that Jordan and send it off for grading?

00:39:45.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:39:54.04
Adz
Because if they're selling for at 8.5, last sold for a thousand dollars. Imagine what a PSA 10 would sell for.

00:40:06.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:40:08.54
Adz
Anyway, that was my little, that was my little sort of, I was going down that rabbit hole.

00:40:12.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that ah makes sense.

00:40:14.91
Adz
Like if you can get cheap hoops product that's got Jordan in it, how much potential money can you make doing that?

00:40:21.57
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, I think the, I think the problem with that is that you hope to get Jordan, but then you get Harold minor.

00:40:22.50
Adz
Oh, by the way, I wouldn't, I'm not gonna recommend anybody actually do it. but

00:40:34.19
Adz
Oh, let's, yeah yeah, you get the Herald Miners of the world, you you get like a, well, even a Hakeem Olajuwon, like, well, actually, scoring kings are the big subset to talk about, right? When it comes to, like, the Jordans worth money, and the rest of it's not really.

00:40:44.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:40:49.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:40:50.99
Adz
um

00:40:52.54
youcantcompthis
I think what I think what my takeaway from this is it seems to me be at the moment, just buying Jordan is a very short thing.

00:40:52.79
Adz
But any insert set, the Jordans worth the money, right?

00:41:01.96
youcantcompthis
You know, we talk about what's good to buy in the hobby. And I think at the moment we have been talking a little bit more Jordan consistently. Like we talk about the ultra modern stuff, obviously, like that's what I'm most interested in. But I feel like these type of things that we sort of just keep popping up.

00:41:15.06
Adz
oh

00:41:18.98
youcantcompthis
It's like, it's really hard to ignore that at the end of the day, you know, Jordan is the goat of the hobby. It's like as simple as that, I think.

00:41:26.45
Adz
Oh, look, I don't.

00:41:27.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:41:28.88
Adz
Yeah, I don't think the the GOAT debates much of a debate. I think we all agree that Jordan's the most iconic basketball sort of ever.

00:41:38.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but specifically to us is, you know, even in the hobby today with everything else that's going on is still the ruler of, you know, this domain.

00:41:41.93
Adz
Hmm. Hmm.

00:41:47.35
youcantcompthis
So, all righty.

00:41:48.44
Adz
Yep.

00:41:49.52
youcantcompthis
Let's thread in Al's question because I think this is probably the best time.

00:41:52.45
Adz
Well, that's ah this the perfect yeah perfect timing for it for sure.

00:41:54.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Rusty and Adam, I was thinking about something for the show, a discussion on inserts and why they kind of don't matter in the hobby compared to the old days when they were a premium hit. Like back in the day, oh yes, I indeed grew up with the sexiest inserts like Scoring Kings and Beam Team. We didn't really have auto hits and numbered cards. I think those really hurt insert pieces these days, not to mention some inserts these days look like SHIP.

00:42:28.51
youcantcompthis
so

00:42:28.59
Adz
they

00:42:29.96
youcantcompthis
Adam, why don't you answer this question first? I mean, it's not really a question. I kind of feel like he's answering his own question, but at the same time, let's, um, let's address this statement.

00:42:39.64
Adz
They... Yeah.

00:42:42.46
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:42:42.48
Adz
The statement. Well, Al started the discussion and gave us his opinion.

00:42:44.38
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:42:46.44
youcantcompthis
Yep. That's right.

00:42:48.76
Adz
I feel, I feel here.

00:42:48.78
youcantcompthis
Yep. That's right. Yeah.

00:42:50.08
Adz
um And I tend to agree. We ah we have grew up in some very interesting times with Uh, the nineties is a junk wax era as it's been so aptly named. And yeah, like we did have very interesting, um, insert sets like scoring Kings being team. There were power in the key. There's some good, like, do you know what I mean? There was some pretty funky insert sets and they were cool.

00:43:16.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:17.76
Adz
The like, what have I got? I've got like the old triple double set from upper deck. Um,

00:43:26.12
Adz
like the hologram stuff, they're cool. And back in the day, they were they were sort of really rated as a premium.

00:43:28.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:35.46
Adz
I don't know, these days they've just sort of been threaded in to sets rather than becoming the focus. um Parallels have become the focus, like the numbered parallels.

00:43:50.64
Adz
i guess I guess we're starting to see a resurgence in the respect for insert sets and my question to follow to expand the discussion is, in 20 years time, when whoever has the license to cards and cards are doing whatever they're doing now, are we going to go back to this period of time and be looking at other insert sets? and going, you know what, is it a case hit or is it a just a cool insert set? I don't know.

00:44:23.42
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like prismatic or, but know I suppose there's different tiers of inserts as well.

00:44:24.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, definitely. I definitely understand what you're saying.

00:44:31.55
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:44:33.10
Adz
um Like you alluded to it before, the Marvel cards, they were cool.

00:44:38.99
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:44:40.22
Adz
The slam covers, cool. But yeah, like, I don't know, we do we do tend to go back to cabooms, like premium inserts.

00:44:48.75
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:44:51.10
Adz
But there are so many around, yeah.

00:44:54.95
youcantcompthis
All right, so I just need to break this down a little bit. So I think the issue with looking backwards in time that far is you tend to look at things from very rose-colored glasses. Like that's the first thing we need to at least acknowledge. The second thing too is when you go back in time that far, you filter out a lot of junk.

00:45:08.42
Adz
Mmm.

00:45:13.67
youcantcompthis
So yes, there was Scoring Kings and Beam Team, but there would have been 20 other insert sets or just as like crappily and not chased as much as we have stuff like at these days.

00:45:25.29
Adz
um' I'm reading the comments, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:26.42
youcantcompthis
All right. Yeah. So like, that's, that's the first thing that you need to say. Now that doesn't make anything what Al was saying less, but I'm just trying to like, let's have some context here and let's not be like too, oh, you know, the 1990s was the best or whatever. Like, you know, and so, and these days,

00:45:40.60
Adz
But it was, the 90s were awesome.

00:45:43.35
youcantcompthis
And what it was like growing up was cool. like That's fine. But at the same time, like things have changed, man. Like, you know, we need to move on. um And so, you know, these days, like collecting has definitely changed. And I think we do look back at that time and we talk about it with junk wax. But I probably think one thing that we do need to acknowledge today is I think there is a degree of junk wax, so you know, what happens today. So like if you look at checklist now, like the prism checklist is quite large. and I think the easiest way to like you know pair that in your head if you look back through the checklist say the last just going back to say 16 and 17 like it is it's gotten bigger exponentially I think the checklist now is up to 350 in the base set plus all of your inserts on top of that and then if you compare it today to say WNBA there's just 150 in the checklist and I know that off the top of my head because I just finished

00:46:12.62
Adz
Mmm.

00:46:27.50
Adz
It's so bad. Yeah.

00:46:38.52
youcantcompthis
like collecting the 150 cards.

00:46:39.10
Adz
Yep.

00:46:40.58
youcantcompthis
It's not that hard to get 150 cards. Actually, it's quite a fun chase, you know, like that was that was fun.

00:46:44.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:45.46
youcantcompthis
So, you know, there's that part of it. And I think the reason why the sets are so big is it's another way for them to pump out more product and get it into people's hands without the prices going, you know, up, you know, sort of too high. But as a result, there's a lot more product out there.

00:46:59.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:01.30
youcantcompthis
So I think that's like, that's the first part.

00:47:03.28
Adz
Mm.

00:47:04.00
youcantcompthis
And I'm trying to look at this from both sides. Then the second part is well and you already touched on this too like they're not really that collectible because there's so much of it and so then you start to chase the stuff that there's less of so numbered cards is obvious but even numbers cards I think the value is coming down off them a little bit I think we're sort of more gravitating towards case hits and that true sort of SSP type stuff so you know I think the level for

00:47:13.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:28.14
Adz
Yep.

00:47:31.75
youcantcompthis
cards in court kings that I think they're they're quite valuable. I think that a very low level chase card these days is a roar and maybe low level to the point that they're undervalued.

00:47:44.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:44.67
youcantcompthis
And then you look at cabooms, I think they're really important. I think downtowns, I think they're the ones that you know, when we look forward to the next 20 years and we say, oh, so what's the next Gloring Kings and what's the next Beam Team? You know, in my head, it's it's pretty firmly cemented that Kaboom is number one and downtown is probably number two and then everything else is sort of just going to be, you know, somewhere on the periphery. So. I think that's how I that's how I answer this question.

00:48:07.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:09.88
youcantcompthis
But I think at the end of the day, the hobby is is frankly just it's just different now. And I think autographs is, you know, a big part of what we do and what we collect and then also to patches and.

00:48:14.79
Adz
It is.

00:48:22.52
youcantcompthis
And that's sort of maybe the more sort of higher end product that sort of mixes in a bit of, you know, stuffing together.

00:48:23.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:27.82
youcantcompthis
So why don't we read through everyone else's answers here? Cause I think it's good to acknowledge these. There's some good answers in here and then we'll go to a break ad.

00:48:34.05
Adz
Very much so.

00:48:35.14
youcantcompthis
What do you say?

00:48:35.52
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Do you want me to get, you can get started?

00:48:36.86
youcantcompthis
Right.

00:48:38.67
Adz
Yep, Ryan.

00:48:38.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Ryan Miller. good chat topic, so well done Al. Part of this has to be there's an insert in almost every pack, four to five in Donrass, yep, agree with that. We still do love some case hit and some well done common inserts though, slam or maybe recon vector for example, but it's probably the same old story of oversaturation, yep. So oversaturation, and I think for me the key point I wanna emphasize here on Ryan's answer is, okay, so so for me it's select. I personally think that the select inserts, they take the most risks there in terms of

00:49:10.21
youcantcompthis
artistic

00:49:12.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:12.49
youcantcompthis
artistic experimentation and they just like do some weird stuff in there that's like, oh, is this going to work? I don't know. Let's just chuck it onto the drawing board and see if it works.

00:49:19.84
Adz
Let's see.

00:49:20.37
youcantcompthis
And they chuck it into a set. I think some of that stuff is is cool, you know?

00:49:23.85
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:49:25.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:49:26.62
Adz
um anthonyy Anthony Yup, inserts these days are like consolation prizes impacts just because a lot of parallels throughout the hobby. And I'm like, yeah, because parallel is an insert.

00:49:36.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:49:39.88
Adz
um and And touching on that, I guess back in the day, there was like, sometimes there was just a gold stamp on the card. That was the insert.

00:49:50.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:49:51.83
Adz
It was a base card with a stamp on it.

00:49:53.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:49:54.39
Adz
That's before the the the prism variants or the refractor.

00:49:59.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:50:00.17
Adz
Do you know what I mean? like there Yeah, that was there some low effort inserts ah in the 90s to go with all the cool stuff.

00:50:07.83
youcantcompthis
Do you know what I think is a really good buy at the moment? And particularly when you're looking ahead is silver LeBron base cards and also silver inserts of LeBron.

00:50:18.08
Adz
Mmm.

00:50:18.25
youcantcompthis
I actually think, particularly when you like move this forward into the future, we're just talking about that Jordan card.

00:50:19.30
Adz
Mmm.

00:50:24.56
youcantcompthis
I reckon that that's going to be one of those things that you pick them up now for five or 10 bucks. And then in a few years, they're going to be, you send them off for grading that they could be easily worth 50 to a hundred dollars.

00:50:30.76
Adz
Big.

00:50:34.25
youcantcompthis
I've got no problems with saying that at all.

00:50:35.92
Adz
Mmm. That makes sense.

00:50:38.51
youcantcompthis
Matthew Hull, inserts should be better, should be valued better. Some of them are amazing. I think they could be better. However, on their artwork, I mean that although they're good, they are devalued again by super short print inserts. Yeah, and you can look at it both ways. can't You can say, well, this one is devalued with the other. You now have inserts, short prints, super short prints, then the occasional made up update insert as a player does something cool. And then on top of that, you have numbered and autos and numbers to fix is less print runs, but that won't happen when there's so much money to be made.

00:51:11.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, that's a derivative of probably what we just said, isn't it?

00:51:12.42
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

00:51:15.03
youcantcompthis
But yeah, it's it's a very, very good point, Matt.

00:51:16.94
Adz
Yep. And then, I mean, yeah, then as Ados summed it up, rarity and desirability is the name of the game, I think.

00:51:18.01
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:26.16
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:51:27.32
Adz
So, remember the inserts that we are saying were the big ones. So, and we'll refer back to Bean Team scoring kings.

00:51:35.55
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:51:36.23
Adz
Won a box.

00:51:38.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:39.19
Adz
Right? There's ah there's a set of 12 or 15. won a box. So not every box of like 93, 94, Fleer Ultra, I think that's the year, or was it 92, 93? I can't remember which.

00:51:51.80
youcantcompthis
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

00:51:53.05
Adz
Whatever year that was, do you know every box didn't have a Jordan scoring Kings in it.

00:51:54.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:59.28
Adz
There were there were players that weren't as sought after.

00:52:02.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:52:02.94
Adz
Like there's there's a Karl Malone, there's a Alonzo, is it Alonzo Morning? Something like that.

00:52:08.31
youcantcompthis
There's definitely a key in there because I've got one of those in the cupboard. So, yeah. Anyway, I know what you're saying.

00:52:12.72
Adz
Yeah, yeah. So they they weren't the easiest to come by and they were held highly sought after, but then people did have a lot of the, for better use of the term, crappy um inserts.

00:52:14.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:52:17.39
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:52:23.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yep.

00:52:25.84
Adz
Anyway, that's all I've got to say on it. I think it was a good topic. Really, really well thought out Al. Good discussion point and good ah but opportunity to reminisce.

00:52:35.04
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:52:37.47
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we're going to go to our last break and then we're going to come back and we're going to do another listener question and then we're going to talk some Denver nuggets.

00:52:44.94
Adz
nuggies.

00:52:53.86
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we are back. Are you ready for the final run, Ad?

00:52:57.49
Adz
I'm, I was born ready. I wasn't born ready for the end, but but you know what I meant.

00:53:01.30
youcantcompthis
Alrighty. Yeah. Matthew Hull, ahoy! Topic of discussion I forgot to add the other day. Busy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is the hobby as influential as it seems to be with players and overall views of the league? What I mean is with fanatics and tops kind of overloading the hobby, I can see that players are viewed and spoken about reflective of the hobby values. An example is the hobby predicted Tatum not growing to the point of Luca and Brown overtaking with Luca still gaining value post-finals win or lose. They've all come down.

00:53:39.51
youcantcompthis
But it seems the media, ESPN, sports, news, etc. are all following just behind the hobby. Is this coincidence or does the hobby now have a new hold of the league? What other reasons could cause this? The WNBA, Caitlin Clark, Thefts, Jeff Wilson. I'm going to beep that name out.

00:53:57.13
Adz
Mm.

00:53:57.76
youcantcompthis
Or is it Russell Gibson and Adam Amy? I don't know about that last one. Matthew, I think you're overestimating our contributions, but thank you. Personally, think we are on the precipice of big things in the hobby and especially with the Yukon-Kontis family. Thank you, Matthew. You've been a huge supporter to us. We appreciate your kind words. Photo is a recent acquisition, not for sale, not for trade, but someone I'm now watching due to listening more to the pod and he's put in a Donra's choice looks like of Ben Shepard's ticket order to 99.

00:54:28.14
Adz
Ben Shepard.

00:54:31.85
youcantcompthis
So yeah, nice little pickup, man. Adam, I'm going to turn this over to you, mate, because I'm a little bit um torn on this. So I'll let you answer first and I'll probably just rebut, I think.

00:54:44.71
Adz
rebut from where where so we we We briefly touched on these things and I don't know, I think the influences are varied.

00:54:46.04
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:54:55.66
Adz
I think it shapes opinions. But I can't imagine that the hobby's the leader here and influences.

00:55:06.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:55:07.09
Adz
i am I think you hear a lot of opinions about cards and obviously, um and I'll go back because Matt's actually gone to the trouble of putting some um hashtags on his post here. So um first one is hashtag regulate the hobby and the second one is hashtag Luca remains to be trash.

00:55:31.31
Adz
So I like that one. Anyway, um I like both of those actually, a lot. um Like, I don't know, like, I'd like to think that I've had a hand in Luca's recent devaluing, but I think he's... um But I do think in all seriousness that that, I mean, we are a good barometer, but we're we're reacting. The hobby is a reactive community. Obviously the players are the ones that are, um like we're watching the game, but I think we've got the finger on the pulse. So the news is sometimes, the mainstream news is a little bit behind on their narratives. And a lot of us in the hobby consume a lot. We consume podcasts, we consume live games. And after those games, we're consuming podcasts about the live games.

00:56:27.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:56:28.80
Adz
Do you know what I mean?

00:56:29.13
youcantcompthis
Oh yeah, definitely.

00:56:29.28
Adz
Like the amount of information we're processing is um quite overwhelming, but as far as collectability goes, I think we've identified key things, and I don't think that drives the price so much, but it helps people collect.

00:56:31.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:56:47.20
Adz
We've we've looked at the data surrounding bigs, for example. and like be like tall players, centers don't centers don't sell papers basically, right? Shaq could dominate the league, but his prices may be due to the production of his cards, but do you know what I mean? Like he was saturated through the market and his prices are sort of where they are.

00:57:04.76
youcantcompthis
yea and earth Yeah, Yep.

00:57:09.19
Adz
Jokic we say is criminally undervalued, whereas Steph Curry is still flying through the roof because he's a guard.

00:57:16.31
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:57:17.59
Adz
And also like a big market, small markets as far as teams go. um I mean, I'm not gonna comment on what the people of Boston do with their buying patterns, but maybe it could be a combined IQ problem, the reason they're not buying Tatum.

00:57:31.87
youcantcompthis
Oof.

00:57:32.63
Adz
but I'm really having goes, aren't I, today?

00:57:36.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:57:36.75
Adz
But I don't know, I just don't, I don't think the hobby is the one driving it. We drive the price, but it's based on the evidence we're seeing as collectors. Like, and what we're watching in the game. I think the ESPNs of the world are just doing the reporting. I don't think they care about the market.

00:57:53.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah I do wonder if

00:57:57.93
youcantcompthis
the national media is looking at card letter and checking what prices is going up and down. If I'm understanding this question properly, so I would probably say that the hobby is more influenced by trends in the media.

00:58:07.49
Adz
Hmm.

00:58:15.13
Adz
Yes.

00:58:15.17
youcantcompthis
So that's the first thing. So if what I mean by that is so the really big stories, like the easy stories to follow.

00:58:16.56
Adz
Yep.

00:58:20.76
youcantcompthis
So for example, when Zion Williamson was all that

00:58:21.34
Adz
The hype.

00:58:26.99
youcantcompthis
hobby value and hype in the hobby around Zion, I think at the same time there was an enormous amount of hype and drive from ESPN and the NBA media partners to push this kid into everyone's lounge room to like know who he was all right so that's the first thing and I think each year that happens again and again so for example then it was LaMello ball after that and then it was

00:58:46.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:54.14
youcantcompthis
Anthony Edwards, and then, you know, to a degree, I probably think it was, you know, Kate Cunningham, even though he, you know, really wasn't that sexy. And then, you know, last year, you know, we, do we need to talk about names in this one? It was when be like, and I feel like, um,

00:59:08.39
Adz
There's all wimpy.

00:59:10.86
youcantcompthis
And I feel like the media last year was a bit more organic because you weren't trying to create hype, you were just presenting hype. And I think that was probably the difference. So I think where I'm going with this is I think there's people that come in and out and by buy and sell cards that's just driven on those like huge headlines. So people will just buy those big dogs.

00:59:31.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:31.55
youcantcompthis
And then I think if you drill this down a little bit more and you spoke about this, the people who are consuming, you know, high levels of content. So then they're they're buying at a different level again.

00:59:40.73
Adz
Mmm.

00:59:43.68
youcantcompthis
And I would probably say this is maybe where I fit into the hobby. It's like. I enjoy buying the prospecting cards and then tracking these players as they come through the league and seeing their performance and then you can also monitor the value of those cards that are going up and down so I think there's also you know that part of it and I hope I'm answering your question properly here Matthew so I don't think it's the hobby that's driving that.

00:59:54.19
Adz
Mmm.

01:00:07.89
youcantcompthis
I think it's the media and the way that you can now access players performance so much easier. So, you know, my, my example for that is that, you know, I used to get Pontel DVDs, whereas now I just go into my phone.

01:00:16.01
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:22.32
youcantcompthis
So I wake up in the morning, I can check my notifications if something speaks happen. And then while I'm eating my breakfast, I'm listening to the daily MBA program that summarizes what's just happened the last 24 hours in basketball.

01:00:35.77
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:36.30
youcantcompthis
you know, I think that's the difference for me, like how I sort of consume and then like, expose to the hobby. Yep.

01:00:44.29
Adz
yeah

01:00:45.59
youcantcompthis
Yep.

01:00:45.90
Adz
I think we're much more educated these days on what's going on.

01:00:48.53
youcantcompthis
There's a lot more information available. Yeah, between MBA.com,

01:00:51.78
Adz
We're not more educated, maybe more informed. How about that?

01:00:54.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. Okay. I, I won't disagree with that. You know, you know, between NBA dot.com, Instagram, Twitter, like there's heaps of it going around, you know? Yep.

01:01:05.43
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:05.68
youcantcompthis
Anthony Milne, sometimes the hype before they even play a single game is over the top or they play in the summer league with no stars in the lineup is way too high in prospect rankings, being drafted in a well exposed team. always helps but at the end of the day the hobby is a flip before they flop type of prospecting a lot more people in the hobby won't give any five any player five years to develop their talent or should I say hold them long enough to see they develop just my opinion.

01:01:37.24
youcantcompthis
I think that's actually really true about the the flip before they flop because we talk about this all the time in that first 12 months there's so much hype around players and

01:01:45.80
Adz
Mmm.

01:01:47.31
youcantcompthis
And probably if you're looking at statistically, when is the best time to sell? It's almost immediately. As soon as the product comes out, that's probably the highest a player is going to be, you know, for quite a long period of time.

01:01:57.79
Adz
Well, we were at the start of the show, we did that.

01:01:59.04
youcantcompthis
And if they, yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:02:00.67
Adz
We showed that literally. And that's with Wembley.

01:02:02.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And that's with Wembley. That's right. He's like a top flight, you know, prospect on that.

01:02:06.00
Adz
Mmm.

01:02:06.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:07.06
Adz
Yeah. And it hasn't, and it, and, and the hype hasn't died down.

01:02:10.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:11.58
Adz
Everyone thinks he's a freaking, yeah.

01:02:11.60
youcantcompthis
Now there's always, there's always exceptions to the rules on that, right? So the easy one now that's like in my, or there's three that's come to my mind immediately, but the biggest one for me is Tyrus Maxi. No one cared about Tyrus Maxi in Philadelphia, 76 of PYTs.

01:02:24.76
Adz
yeah Yep.

01:02:27.19
youcantcompthis
No one cared. Now that guy is now selling for the same rate that Kate Cunningham is.

01:02:31.46
Adz
Yep.

01:02:31.93
youcantcompthis
Then you've got Tyrese Halliburton, who had a huge surge this year, and then Anthony Edwards. like He literally dominated hobby talk for what, four weeks straight?

01:02:43.02
Adz
Mmm.

01:02:45.31
youcantcompthis
but Honestly, like what else were we talking about for four weeks?

01:02:46.09
Adz
It was, it was, he dominated. it was It was, it was, how good is this guy?

01:02:47.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:51.09
Adz
He's finally taken the step.

01:02:51.46
youcantcompthis
yeah

01:02:52.64
Adz
He's, he's the next Jordan.

01:02:54.64
youcantcompthis
So flip before the flop, that's like a t-shirt we should be wearing walking around.

01:02:55.12
Adz
Like the...

01:02:58.48
youcantcompthis
That's an awesome phrase, Anthony. Like you've literally, yeah, you've literally, you have literally captured a hobby truth in, you know, a funny sort of slogan.

01:03:00.46
Adz
Flip before the flop.

01:03:08.65
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:09.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:03:12.35
youcantcompthis
All right. I think we're going to have time for one more thing and then we'll close off today's show. And and I don't think we're,

01:03:18.44
Adz
Let's make it big. Let's make it big.

01:03:20.53
youcantcompthis
I don't, yeah, I reckon we, we're probably not going to get through all of this.

01:03:20.88
Adz
No. Have we got time for big?

01:03:24.68
youcantcompthis
So why don't we just do Gary Trent to the box and then we'll do Gary Trent card letter and we'll leave the nuggets for next week ad because I think we're going to need some content for next week anyway.

01:03:37.15
Adz
All right, well, we that's a pre the the nuggets is a preview for next week.

01:03:37.36
youcantcompthis
All righty.

01:03:41.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:03:43.22
Adz
Yeah, we have bread crumbing to the nugget.

01:03:43.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:03:47.36
Adz
Yeah, I'm trying to pebbling, pebbling towards next week.

01:03:48.13
youcantcompthis
or as a penguin would do pebble, we're pebbling for next week. Yeah. Yeah. All righty.

01:03:54.98
Adz
Gary Trent.

01:03:55.51
youcantcompthis
Now, the reason I want to talk about Gary Trent ad, I really like this signing for the bucks. The reason I like it so much, and this is how I'm going to measure to you how much I like it, he's going to start for them at the shooting guard.

01:04:09.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:04:10.03
youcantcompthis
Can you tell me who started at shooting guard for the bucks last year? Because already I've forgotten. That's how good of a signing this is.

01:04:21.73
Adz
Yep.

01:04:22.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Like it's so much of an upgrade. You kind of like, Oh, I don't even like, I can't even really recall who started there.

01:04:28.05
Adz
What's the, um...

01:04:29.33
youcantcompthis
I think Chris Middleton did. And I think, and I want to say Torian Prince was also on the team, but I'm like, yeah.

01:04:33.38
Adz
Yeah, was it at Middleton?

01:04:39.80
Adz
No, he was in, he was the Lakers, Torian Prince. But is it, is it Middleton?

01:04:53.05
Adz
Cause if it's Middleton, I don't know if it's an upgrade. Or are they going to start Middleton and Gary Trent?

01:05:12.50
Adz
What does he say? He's a pet, small 40, he just started the three.

01:05:22.76
Adz
Lillard, before then it was holiday, I was at the point. Who was the two?

01:05:29.55
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, so I've just gone on to a basketball reference. So there was a, there was a, there was a couple of guys that started, they were in and out.

01:05:32.12
Adz
It's like you've got a stat.

01:05:36.99
youcantcompthis
So they had a lot of injuries last year. So Malik Beasley was definitely in and out of their starting lineup. The one that I'm trying to remember, or that I was trying to remember is

01:05:46.09
Adz
Hmm.

01:05:49.07
youcantcompthis
this character here. Yeah. Jay Crowder. That's who I was getting confused with.

01:05:52.09
Adz
Oh, Crowder, Crowder, Crowder.

01:05:52.15
youcantcompthis
So Jay, Jay Crowder, and also Pat Connington. So essentially, I think what they're going to do is I think they'll move

01:05:59.63
Adz
Middleton's gonna go to the, yep.

01:06:00.25
youcantcompthis
Middleton to the three, which he can easily play the three.

01:06:04.21
Adz
Yep.

01:06:04.86
youcantcompthis
And then Gary Trenton will come in and play the two. I think that's how the depth chart is going to play it.

01:06:07.68
Adz
And then Tori and Prince will come off the bench, I think.

01:06:10.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:11.65
Adz
Because I don't think um Yeah, Torian Fritz is a starter. He wasn' in l it wasn't in l LA anyway.

01:06:23.65
youcantcompthis
Tyrion Prince might not even be on the team. I was getting confused with Jay Crowder, so.

01:06:27.41
Adz
Mmm.

01:06:28.48
youcantcompthis
Anyway, look, I really like this signing for the Bucks. I think this is a really, really good thing for them. And I think they kind of needed a break because if they didn't get him, they didn't really have a talent injection. And I think my criticism of this roster is that, well, Pat Bev is gone. He's signed in Israel now.

01:06:49.18
Adz
Mm.

01:06:49.30
youcantcompthis
So he's off the roster. Lillard is year 11 and he was already old coming into the league. Brooke Lopez is at 15 years of experience. Chris Middleton's at 11.

01:07:00.72
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:01.12
youcantcompthis
Giannis is at 10 years already. I can't believe he's been in the league for 10 years, but obviously he's had injury problems last year.

01:07:04.52
Adz
Mm.

01:07:06.95
youcantcompthis
So it's not something that I'm kind of like, you know, filled with confidence when I talk about the Bucks, but despite that, I still think they can have a really good year. So anyway, where I'm going with this, I don't think there's a lot of card value for Gary Trent. However, if you do like a nice low level punt, his silver PSA 10 last sold for $30. So I don't think that that is outrageous.

01:07:32.44
Adz
Okay.

01:07:34.45
youcantcompthis
And I think if you're banking on someone going to a new team, getting a fresh start,

01:07:40.52
Adz
doing so And having an impact?

01:07:40.69
youcantcompthis
having a pretty decent role, having an impact.

01:07:43.27
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:44.75
youcantcompthis
Cause I think the problem for him last year in Toronto was that actually he played really well. And I would have been happy for him to go to any number of contenders.

01:07:49.54
Adz
Oh, I was hoping.

01:07:52.78
youcantcompthis
He's literally a three and D guy.

01:07:58.31
youcantcompthis
Like he'd be good on the Lakers. He would be good on.

01:07:59.72
Adz
Yeah, the Lakers just robbed Pauline, could unplug the phone once they signed Bronny.

01:08:05.71
youcantcompthis
That's it. He's done.

01:08:07.14
Adz
It's done, we're done. Would you remember what we were supposed to do? No, not you didn't do anything else. Anywho, it's a good piece.

01:08:12.15
youcantcompthis
So we're going to really quickly segue here because I've sort of got like a minute to spare here. So there was a little bit of a ah segment we're going to do later on. And so it's talking about the remaining free agents. So I'll just move this up the sheet, dad. So Mark L. Fultz, he's basically, his rights have been renounced by the magic. Now there's two trains of thought behind this. The first one is that they did it so that they could sign

01:08:42.39
youcantcompthis
KCP.

01:08:43.43
Adz
Mm hmm.

01:08:44.17
youcantcompthis
The other thought is that they're going to renounce him and re-sign him, or they're going to renounce him and just like let him go and walk away. And I think that now that the Magif have got KCP, the starting lineup is definitely going to be Suggs and KCP. It's not going to be Fults. So in the last 12 months, I've been saying, look, this guy's a really good buy.

01:08:59.19
Adz
Mm hmm.

01:09:02.78
youcantcompthis
I think, you know, he's got the chance to, you know, resurrect his career, you know, regain all of his spots, all that type of stuff. I was just checking his comps tonight. So he last sold for $9.99. Sorry, faults for $9.08 for a silver PSA 10.

01:09:14.19
Adz
Does that mark your fault?

01:09:19.00
youcantcompthis
So like the bottom has come out of this guy in a profound way.

01:09:22.47
Adz
Big way.

01:09:23.56
youcantcompthis
So all time, he is down 96%. His all time high was $750. So, um, do I think this is a good buy? I mean, like for 10 bucks, you know, I've spent $10 on a beer. Do you know what I mean? and So I don't think, you know, buying one of these for $10 is a terrible thing, but it also means that Gary Trent is currently three times more expensive than a fool's at the moment.

01:09:43.70
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:47.63
youcantcompthis
and That's the comp where I was trying to drag this together.

01:09:47.88
Adz
Then a false.

01:09:51.07
youcantcompthis
So it was a long bow, but here I'm, here I am with, you know, this.

01:09:51.20
Adz
You drew a very, it was a long bow, but we got there.

01:09:56.41
Adz
You drew that from another segment.

01:09:58.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:09:59.64
Adz
Yeah. Impressive.

01:10:03.66
youcantcompthis
All right. Final thoughts, my friend?

01:10:07.10
Adz
ah I think the Gary Trent signing is a very good one in Milwaukee.

01:10:11.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's huge.

01:10:13.02
Adz
And he's definitely worth a punt if he's that cheap.

01:10:17.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:10:20.76
Adz
But yes, it's nice to see that.

01:10:21.02
youcantcompthis
I kind of tell you.

01:10:22.63
Adz
i feel like I feel like my final thoughts from this week after everything we've talked about is it looks like the hobby is starting to regulate.

01:10:26.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:10:31.76
Adz
um There are signs of regulation or desire for regulation.

01:10:31.95
youcantcompthis
signs of regulation.

01:10:38.07
Adz
People are crying out for it.

01:10:42.57
Adz
I'm doing that bit.

01:10:44.74
youcantcompthis
I think there's a there's a part in the hobby where you want it to be unregulated in that things can move quickly and freely and you can make deals and get things done, right? And that goes in all different levels.

01:10:58.80
Adz
That's true. Of course.

01:11:00.70
youcantcompthis
On the flip side, you've got people spending a whole bunch of money and you want some protection on yourself, right? And I think that's the part that I'm like reading through comments of people saying, yeah, like, this is a good thing that they're doing is to protect us. And when they say that, what they're really trying to say is like, stop you from getting scammed and robbed, basically. So, yeah.

01:11:20.14
Adz
and And that is a good thing. it's It's nice to see people considering that.

01:11:24.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:11:25.26
Adz
Yeah.

01:11:26.77
youcantcompthis
Uh, I think my final thought of today's Marko fools at $9 is bloody tempting. I like, I'm just a sucker for, um, for punishment sometimes, but that is like, that is ridiculous. I mean, that can't go down anymore, can it?

01:11:41.97
Adz
Well, it it could if um if he is out of the league.

01:11:49.92
Adz
I think that's your summary of the week, is that sound effect?

01:11:55.43
youcantcompthis
I'm pretty sure um I should take that out because otherwise it's going to be a very overused sound effect.

01:12:00.67
Adz
Oh, look, when required, of course.

01:12:03.48
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Alrighty. Thank you everyone on Central Coast Radio for listening.

01:12:06.25
Adz
Excellent.

01:12:09.02
youcantcompthis
We appreciate.

01:12:10.85
Adz
Thanks to everybody that tuned in live on YouTube, or watched all listened on YouTube later on.

01:12:13.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:12:18.06
youcantcompthis
Like and subscribe. That's what we have to say to people, isn't it?

01:12:20.18
Adz
That's see it, that's it. well ah ill look i'll I'll script out some stuff so we can smash that like button, tick the bell for notifications, all the all the good stuff.

01:12:31.34
youcantcompthis
Hey mate, do you know what we actually did forget? So why don't we, we'll finish off the show and then we need to talk about our sponsor.

01:12:38.41
Adz
Oh yeah.

01:12:39.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So everyone, thank you so much and we'll catch you all next week.

01:12:48.56
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, so this is what happens when you don't put things into the sheet and then

01:12:53.27
Adz
Yeah, I've ended it.

01:12:56.77
youcantcompthis
Okay, so we do have a a new announcement. We've finally secured some very substantial sponsorship and this is going to be a ah long ongoing partnership with the investment that this company has made into us.

01:13:08.75
Adz
Mmm.

01:13:10.16
youcantcompthis
So it's to US Sports Cards Australia. And it's one of the projects that Ross is working on. So the project that he's working on is called Check at My Cards Australia. And if you are very good at putting letters together, it's also COMC A or COMC Australia.

01:13:31.31
Adz
Yep.

01:13:31.39
youcantcompthis
And it's the same concept as COMC. I think that's the easiest way to explain it.

01:13:34.59
Adz
Yep.

01:13:35.68
youcantcompthis
You send your cards into ROS. ROS will put them into a secure storage facility. You can then buy and sell your cards on the platform. And then at the end of the month, you get a payout from ROS of the cards that you've been sold. so Dive into a world where your prize cards are kept safe and sound off-site with our cutting-edge web platform. You can effortlessly monitor prices, conduct seamless transactions and connect with collectors globally.

01:14:05.69
youcantcompthis
Step into the future of trading cards today. Join Check at My Cards Australia and embark on an exciting journey of collecting, buying and selling like Australia has never seen before.

01:14:17.21
Adz
Mm

01:14:19.41
youcantcompthis
Now if you would like to go to check out my cards, you need to go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au, click on the three little noodles on the top left and then you'll see comca login and sign up.

01:14:28.91
Adz
-hmm.

01:14:34.01
Adz
Mm.

01:14:37.83
youcantcompthis
From there you can just search through the cards that you're looking for and it's literally as simple as that and just make your purchases. So thank you so much to to Ross and his team for the pledge that he's made to to you and I, Adam, because I think it's a massive sign of confidence.

01:14:51.75
Adz
Yep.

01:14:53.79
youcantcompthis
Basically, it's it's about 12 months worth of sponsorship.

01:14:56.13
Adz
Yep.

01:14:57.49
youcantcompthis
Now, I think the the people who are going to criticize us, they're going to say, well, obviously I have a very close working relationship with Ross already.

01:14:57.78
Adz
Really appreciate that. Yeah.

01:15:05.81
youcantcompthis
And that's fine. I understand the criticism that's there. If you would like to work with us, if you would like to sponsor us, direct DM me, direct message me, we can work out something. The rule of the podcast is we never have more than three sponsors on the show.

01:15:22.50
Adz
Yep.

01:15:23.62
youcantcompthis
And there's only been maybe once or twice that I could actually remember this. So I've had to say to people wanting to sponsor the show, just wait a couple of weeks till someone else's sponsorship runs out. Generally it's the opposite for us. We are hunting down people to support the show. So that's the way I'm going to phrase this particular, yeah.

01:15:38.81
Adz
Yeah, reaching reaching out for support. But yes, definitely, definitely open and definitely appreciate um Yeah, that that sponsorship opportunity from from Ross.