Episode 155: Wemby SSP, Gemrate Grading Numbers, Flag Bearer Lebron

Russell and Adam welcome you to episode 155 where we chat about

- Wemby SSPs courtesy of Gemrate
- Gemrate Grading Stats - Wemby in the top 25 already
- Lebron James to hold team USA flag
- November, we will be back at the Hobby Hangout
- More free agency moves

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Transcript

00:00:00.01
youcantcompthis
Okay, man.

00:00:00.84
Adz
We were like, exactly. And we were like, what? to Wednesday? What are they doing?

00:00:05.15
youcantcompthis
It is weird.

00:00:06.46
Adz
Special news because of the Olympics. Not really.

00:00:12.65
Adz
Does anyone really think the Olympics are gonna be exciting? I don't know.

00:00:16.59
youcantcompthis
There'll be some good games. There has to be at least, I mean, that's said yeah the Sudan, Sudan, Sudan. How do you say that word properly?

00:00:21.56
Adz
South Sudan, yeah.

00:00:22.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, Sudan, yeah. That was like, that was pretty good.

00:00:26.60
Adz
And LeBron's carrying it. Oh, we've we've got that on the sheet.

00:00:29.05
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think that's, I actually think that's worth talking about.

00:00:29.51
Adz
Is that gonna? It's topic-worthy. All right, let's kick this off.

00:00:35.32
youcantcompthis
um Yeah, I'm recording too high.

00:00:35.68
Adz
Have you got that laugh sound effect ready to go?

00:00:38.85
youcantcompthis
I've already been playing it.

00:00:43.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:00:44.77
Adz
Uh-oh.

00:00:49.04
youcantcompthis
Alrighty.

00:00:49.64
Adz
Let's go.

00:00:59.03
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 155 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam Amie and Russell Gibson. Russell, how are you doing? The Olympics are upon us.

00:01:13.37
youcantcompthis
I am very, very, very well, not the biggest Olympics fan in the world, but...

00:01:18.69
Adz
Neither's Luca Dontich. Sorry, I had to get that in.

00:01:22.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah. What's that? A minute into the show, you already sledge in the poor guy.

00:01:25.82
Adz
30 seconds, 30 seconds, shots fired.

00:01:27.56
youcantcompthis
ah Yeah.

00:01:31.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah. No, everything's, um everything's good on my end. I'm just, it's actually really funny where it feels it is the off season, but I just feel like there's so much going on at the moment. So I don't feel, I don't feel bored from a basketball card perspective or, or basketball perspective.

00:01:40.17
Adz
There's a fair bit happening.

00:01:45.46
youcantcompthis
And also too, I've just been, looking around for some content to watch and summer league wise there is heaps of games on so they've made a huge improvement on that and you can literally just go through and scam through and pick the game that you want to watch so but that's that is really cool and that's what I might

00:02:00.47
Adz
Nice.

00:02:04.55
youcantcompthis
life goals is to get to the Vegas summer league one day. So at the moment I'm sort of vicariously living through league pass at the moment, but yeah, it's great.

00:02:07.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:11.94
youcantcompthis
And my only tiny complaint at the moment is I've had a bit of trouble because I don't have Stan or any other paid TV. So I've had a small amount of trouble watching the Olympic games, but you know, whatever, it's not not a big gripe.

00:02:25.49
Adz
Yep. They put highlights up on YouTube and stuff, don't they?

00:02:29.31
youcantcompthis
If it's sometimes, you know, you sort of watch a full game and sort of get the 40 minute experience, whereas sometimes highlights are a little bit misleading or misrepresenting.

00:02:31.30
Adz
Yep.

00:02:37.17
Adz
Yeah, true, true, true.

00:02:38.65
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Like I said, very, very minor complaint. So. All right. Let's kick off ad. We are recording early this week. So if you are listening to the podcast, we're at least we're recording on the 24th.

00:02:52.39
Adz
Yeah, that might be very important given the Olympic game start on the 27th is the tip off.

00:02:57.62
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:02:58.39
Adz
So when this pot is, there will already have been a couple of games play.

00:02:59.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:03:02.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So I think last week on the show, we were talking amongst ourselves about WMB cards.

00:03:07.80
Adz
Hmm.

00:03:09.69
youcantcompthis
We said, Oh, what we should do is we should do a little segment about WMB and talk about the cards that's coming out and, and our very good friend, Ryan at GEM rate has done all the work for us.

00:03:18.68
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:23.14
youcantcompthis
So a hundred, 110% credit to Ryan on this.

00:03:23.87
Adz
He got to work real quick.

00:03:27.71
youcantcompthis
I think this is just. us having the the best luck that we could possibly have, you know, in terms of timing wise, getting Ryan to do this for us, because I don't think he was actually listening to the show. And I strongly doubt it.

00:03:40.50
Adz
i still i still I still think he was listening.

00:03:42.95
youcantcompthis
I don't think he did it for us. But look, why don't we take some bets on this, we'll message Ryan and say, like, did you listen to the show and do it for us?

00:03:44.22
Adz
I'd like to believe that. that

00:03:50.75
youcantcompthis
Or did this just?

00:03:51.04
Adz
If you're listening to the show, Ryan, um you got you're gonna confirm that you were, even if you weren't.

00:03:53.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:03:56.05
Adz
So that'll... Gotcha.

00:04:01.38
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, so let's just get straight into it. I will post all of this onto social so it's easy for you to find because at the moment, I'm not going to lie to you, it's not the easiest to find. You need to go to Gem Rate and then you need to find Ryan's post from July the 23rd and actually the picture that we're talking about or what we're referring to is in the comments of his Twitter post.

00:04:14.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:21.75
youcantcompthis
So I think we can do some of that about that to still credit Ryan's work but also just to make it a little bit easier to find. but I'm going to turn this over to you and why don't you just tell me say one, two, or three cards out of this that's really taking your attention and maybe one that you would add to your PC or be keen to add to your PC.

00:04:29.01
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

00:04:41.94
Adz
Out of this list of the top 50 highest graded cut graded athletes of all time, is that the list we're gonna talk about?

00:04:48.74
youcantcompthis
Well, why don't we do the WMB inserts fur first and then we can go back and talk about the actual the least second.

00:04:51.73
Adz
Okay, cool, cool, cool. All right, so. All right, all right, so.

00:04:56.19
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:04:59.06
Adz
which are the actual cards we're gonna go through. Hang on.

00:05:01.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:05:02.47
Adz
Do you know what, Ryan? You you need to give us images. I don't know what they all look like.

00:05:08.23
youcantcompthis
There's images there.

00:05:10.13
Adz
Gotta go down the post even further. Sorry.

00:05:13.97
youcantcompthis
Because he's he's literally got all the pictures of each card there.

00:05:15.69
Adz
Oh, here we go.

00:05:17.81
youcantcompthis
Then he's got how many is graded and then the gem rate on it too.

00:05:20.23
Adz
Well, I mean, how many 62 graded? I do like the, okay. What stands out to me is that Hoops presentations, 780 graded.

00:05:32.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so I think there's two parts to this. The first part is that it's the first product that came out, so it's had the longest time to be out and about.

00:05:43.86
Adz
It's also not as an SSP in the same vein as like a next day auto.

00:05:43.91
youcantcompthis
I also

00:05:49.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so it's funny that you say that when we actually had Ryan on the show, he's believed that it was a true SSP.

00:05:57.35
Adz
Huh.

00:05:57.49
youcantcompthis
And my recollection of just watching a couple of breaks and then, you know, ripping a couple of boxes, there was literally one in each box. So, and I think now that the grading numbers have come out, it's really obvious as to, you know, what's going on here.

00:06:04.08
Adz
Wow.

00:06:09.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:10.08
youcantcompthis
But in saying that, I actually have no problem with this at all, with having that many graded and also, I don't think the gem rate is that high.

00:06:14.70
Adz
Hmm.

00:06:18.39
youcantcompthis
I think actually 70, 69%, I think that's that's pretty good to me, to be honest. Not too high, not too low. But the thing I like about this card the most is the aesthetics of it. I think that is a beautiful card. It's a bit like that Hoops card with Jordan we were talking about last week.

00:06:30.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:33.46
youcantcompthis
Every now and again, Hoops just hits right. And this is one of the examples of it.

00:06:37.46
Adz
That's yeah, that's definitely one of them.

00:06:39.89
youcantcompthis
Now, I haven't checked prices on this, but I'm going to assume that if there's 780 PSA tens, it's not going to be that expensive to get your hands or on one either. And particularly if you fast forward 12 months into the future.

00:06:48.35
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:06:51.66
youcantcompthis
but I really like this as sort of an entry level, awesome card to, you know, to get into your collection.

00:06:52.70
Adz
Hmm.

00:06:57.03
youcantcompthis
And I think keeping in mind that sort of manga artwork that we're seeing right now, you're going to see that sort of moving through these sets.

00:07:04.86
Adz
Now, I haven't looked at this up close. Is that missing? It doesn't have a rookie card logo on it.

00:07:11.13
Adz
Does it have the shield?

00:07:11.24
youcantcompthis
the hoops presentations.

00:07:12.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:13.11
youcantcompthis
No, it doesn't. It's yeah, it's more about the the manga as opposed to the the rookie logo, per se.

00:07:14.16
Adz
Doesn't have the shield. The draw.

00:07:20.41
youcantcompthis
That's the way I interpret that. Yeah.

00:07:22.32
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:22.94
youcantcompthis
But that artwork is definitely, you know, coming through. And one I want to talk about later is the Don Ross Optic Slammy. Like, I think that's really cool.

00:07:29.88
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:07:29.89
youcantcompthis
And so I think you'll sort of see that theme repeated, you know, throughout the card.

00:07:31.56
Adz
Oh.

00:07:34.13
youcantcompthis
So what else is.

00:07:35.51
Adz
it's it's the The ones that stick out to me, there there's two that I'll talk about.

00:07:37.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah, talk to me. Yeah.

00:07:40.32
Adz
We'll call it the the Don Russ Next Day Nauto.

00:07:43.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:44.43
Adz
Is it Nauto? Is that what we'll call it?

00:07:45.84
youcantcompthis
You can pronounce it anyway that you want, man. Yeah.

00:07:49.28
Adz
Nautograph.

00:07:50.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:07:53.11
Adz
God.

00:07:56.72
Adz
62 of those graded at 60%. So that that grades quite well. um There's no grading on the autograph because there is no autograph.

00:08:03.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:08:04.07
Adz
um And then we've got the the Crown Royal Kaboom. 26 graded at 0%. 0% gem rate.

00:08:16.78
youcantcompthis
That's right, yeah. I don't like that gem rate at all, yeah.

00:08:21.41
Adz
No. um Interesting though that the blank slate is also at a very low 11%.

00:08:26.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:08:27.40
Adz
So having the border in the, um in the blank slates, I think has had the same impact as the cabooms.

00:08:34.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:08:35.02
Adz
Like these were both cards that didn't really have a foundation for centering.

00:08:37.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:08:40.82
Adz
So yeah, that was very, that was interesting. um And that was the first page. Was there anything on the, I mean, the the stuff on the second page, there's some cool cards there, but there's not been a lot graded. um And the stuff with the low grades have got only low submission rates.

00:08:58.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so that the revolution prime time performers, they're actually a really tough pool. And so you'll see that she's been 11 graded at the 55% gem rate.

00:09:05.69
Adz
Hmm.

00:09:08.08
youcantcompthis
So I feel like that's sort of a card that is a genuine SSP, but a little bit goes under the radar in terms of people chasing it.

00:09:08.43
Adz
Wow.

00:09:14.95
Adz
Yep.

00:09:16.93
youcantcompthis
And also the the secondary price market. So I think that's one for me to sort of keep your eye on. I actually wonder in the future if that becomes, and not just for the WMB one for all of the others, it's in the set too that these actually do become a bit more of a chase card and people sort of retrospectively go back and try and chase them.

00:09:35.07
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:35.18
youcantcompthis
And then just sticking to this second page, I think the other one we have to talk about ad is the the black color blast because that is a huge chase.

00:09:42.25
Adz
Mmm.

00:09:45.46
youcantcompthis
And then

00:09:45.60
Adz
That's a good looking card.

00:09:48.06
youcantcompthis
I actually think they've done a good job at an this issue. And again, you know, we do talk about them taking risks in terms of, you know, the different products and all this type of stuff. I think that's a risk they've taken. It's pulled off, you know, really, really well. Interesting though, he's actually got that as a raw card, not as a PSA 10 card. So.

00:10:07.63
Adz
It's true. Maybe there's not an image, no, not supposed to post an image of it as a PSA 10.

00:10:08.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:11.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Just possibly.

00:10:12.08
Adz
What, with the black color blast though, you'd like, I'll put this out there.

00:10:13.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:17.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Talk to me.

00:10:18.03
Adz
Are we, are we seeing the difference? And this is not a conspiracy theory, but difference between the blank slate, the kaboom, and now the black color blast, there is no border on this. So you don't know if the centering's off. And that's why it's got that three out of four have been graded gem.

00:10:36.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah so to so to keep going in that frame of mind in the previous sets of the blank slates, people were buying them raw, sending them off to PSA because it was a really good play to do that.

00:10:36.37
Adz
I think, yeah, the lack of a border could be, yeah.

00:10:49.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:51.98
youcantcompthis
So maybe what you'll see this year is people will chase the color blast pretty hard, buy them raw, send them off to PSA and then make a bit of bank that way.

00:10:52.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:02.23
youcantcompthis
you know Maybe that's the way that the market changes a little bit for this year.

00:11:02.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:06.58
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:11:10.24
youcantcompthis
Any others you want to chat about Ed?

00:11:12.25
Adz
None that really stand out.

00:11:14.19
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:11:14.64
Adz
um Yeah.

00:11:16.34
youcantcompthis
All right, so I think for me, first of all, I just wanna thank Ryan for this, cause this is amazing work. I think Ryan does very thoughtful work and he does work for people that just love the hobby. So Ryan, thank you so much again. So I'm gonna make three points. My first point, which I was touching on before, is the the manga art theme that's coming through. So I think the Doneros animation is really interesting.

00:11:38.25
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:11:38.67
youcantcompthis
Probably my favorite though, is the Doneros Optic Slammy. ah This is something about that, I really liked it. it's almost a little bit NBA jammish for me and that was a very important video game for my childhood so yeah so there's a little bit of that but I'm gonna finish on the prism prismania and the reason I'm gonna stop there is because

00:11:47.07
Adz
Yeah, the small body, the bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:58.82
youcantcompthis
I think at the end of the day, Prism is going to be the most important product. And when we, you know, look back in time and we start to filter things out, I do wonder if this is the manga card that's going to be, you know, the most important.

00:12:04.05
Adz
Hmm.

00:12:10.59
youcantcompthis
Looking at also how many is graded and the gem rate again, I think these 10s are going to be at quite a premium.

00:12:17.72
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:12:17.93
youcantcompthis
The other really interesting thing for me is I've not seen a lot of these around on the secondary market. And I wonder if they're the type of cards that people get and they just, yeah, they just put them into their boxes, they put them into their safe and they just put them away.

00:12:27.46
Adz
Just hold.

00:12:32.44
youcantcompthis
i It's not something I've seen a lot of in trade. So I just feel like that's the type of card that you just have to keep your eye out for and, you know, set all your eBay notifications for and and all that type of business.

00:12:40.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:44.18
youcantcompthis
so Alrighty, there's that part of it.

00:12:45.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:46.62
youcantcompthis
And then the second part of it I think for me is just really interesting cards that I didn't expect to be there. So for example, the select Starrcade, I don't really consider that to be a true SSP. I'm a little bit surprised that that's actually there. And also too, it's more for me as an insert as opposed to an SSP.

00:13:01.79
Adz
and car Okay.

00:13:06.53
youcantcompthis
So I would really

00:13:08.27
Adz
Oh, I see. I get what you're getting at. Yeah.

00:13:10.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I'm sort of be surprised that people will be chasing that at all. But again, a really good entry level card for you to, you know, to collect if that's, you know, fits into your budget at that point. And then I think probably my last, you know, a remark is just this Donrass Optic Alter Ego. I don't really think that has taken off in any way at all. I don't think that's going to be chased a lot.

00:13:33.35
Adz
Mmm.

00:13:33.36
youcantcompthis
Now in saying all of that, in terms of matching a card to a player, with the alien nickname that he's got and then it's got this super cool alien inspired artwork in the background. It's almost like a tattoo that someone's got and you're looking at this like sick piece of artwork you're like yeah that like looks really cool so I think that's the type of card that you pick up

00:13:46.49
Adz
Yep.

00:13:54.85
youcantcompthis
on eBay, you're not spending a heap of money on it. You put it into a beautiful one touch and you sit it onto your desk and you just look at that, you know, when you come home from work each day, something along those lines. I really like that sort of for that, again, that sort of entry level. I think if I had unlimited budget and I was going to buy one card and I you know really, really wanted something, I'm just going to say the Kaboom, I know that's an absolute cop out, but I think at the same time, sometimes you have to just like keep it simple and just, you know, pick the right card.

00:14:27.26
youcantcompthis
The thing that's really...

00:14:27.37
Adz
I don't know. the I think I'd go with the blank slate actually.

00:14:30.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, I don't mind it.

00:14:32.45
Adz
Nah, let's be fair, i'll go I'm going with the nautograph.

00:14:32.48
youcantcompthis
I just think...

00:14:36.66
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:14:37.24
Adz
yeah

00:14:41.02
youcantcompthis
The thing I'm really struggling to get my head around this year is just the grades on these, just like with the zero percent gem rate, you know, the guys from Backyard Breaks were making a post about this is that, you know, nine is the new ten and eight is the new nine.

00:14:41.23
Adz
ah

00:14:53.91
youcantcompthis
And I think, you know, we kind of shit on these guys with some of the things they say, but sometimes they're on point with some of the things they say. I think I think he's right about this. I think. the market will adjust to the way that you know these cards are sort of coming back and I don't think it's going to be a big deal in terms of it you know being held back so and actually in some ways I kind of think it's good for the hobby in the sense that it takes the focus away from the grade because sometimes we just froth over you know tens which is fine I i do it too I've got no problem with it but maybe it sort of strips it back a little bit and actually to say this is a cool card and I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is you know so yeah

00:15:08.31
Adz
True.

00:15:17.46
Adz
Oh.

00:15:31.44
Adz
Yep, most definitely. There's some really nice ones there and Select have got their own version of the Color Blast, I guess, with the the color wheel.

00:15:42.52
youcantcompthis
It's not, look, it's cool.

00:15:42.59
Adz
It's cute, it's cute.

00:15:45.30
youcantcompthis
I think it fits into a ah price point, but it's not something that people froth over. I think like frankly, yeah.

00:15:50.51
Adz
No, it's just a simple, it's a simple version of, I don't know, the Donrass Nightmoves or the, as yeah, the the Obsidian Color Blast.

00:15:59.58
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:15:59.59
Adz
Like, they're cooler looking cards.

00:16:02.47
youcantcompthis
I really like the Aurora's, but they just don't hit the secondary market in that sense, you know, and literally just no one cares about them.

00:16:04.34
Adz
Mmm.

00:16:09.12
youcantcompthis
So yeah, I think I've picked up like three or four of the Fox's now because the case hits that I can get for about a hundred Aussie dollars.

00:16:09.24
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:16:16.53
youcantcompthis
And sometimes when I see them for sale, it's just too much for me to go past and I just, you know, I'm just, I just grabbed them.

00:16:20.04
Adz
yeah

00:16:21.29
youcantcompthis
like

00:16:21.48
Adz
The Aurora's do look pretty nice though.

00:16:22.48
youcantcompthis
But you know what I mean? I i feel like I'm very much in the minority when it comes to that.

00:16:25.60
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:26.80
youcantcompthis
So all right. The next thing we're going to talk about ad is the overall list that Ryan has produced. So this is the top 50 graded athletes of all time. We've got Jordan in at number one with 2 million cards. Ken Griffey Jr. at 900. Nearly a million cards. So we are going to talk a little bit of non-basketball and this guy, so do apologize. LeBron at 900,000, Kobe at 835, Shohei Otane at 651K, Derek Jeter at 558K, Mickey Mantle, some old school there, 546K, Tom Brady, the enemy of the podcast at 513K, we got Big Zion at 500K,

00:17:10.51
youcantcompthis
and then skimming down the list a little bit at 12. We've got Jar at 467, Luca at 13 at 457.

00:17:15.09
Adz
Yep.

00:17:19.23
youcantcompthis
Probably won't sit here and read at the top 50 to you, but what I will say to you, Ed, when you look through this list, what are your surprises? What did you think was going to be higher? What did you think was going to be lower? Where are you at with a list type of stuff?

00:17:31.88
Adz
Lamello ball surprises me and so does Trey Young.

00:17:34.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Okay, so why are you surprised by, why are you surprised by Lamello?

00:17:36.57
Adz
As far as basketball goes.

00:17:39.77
youcantcompthis
So he's at 50 at 176K.

00:17:43.23
Adz
I just, I thought there'd be so some other players like Tatum, I thought might've been up there.

00:17:48.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:17:48.95
Adz
Um, you know what I mean? Like there's, there's other players recently that I, that I think deserved to be, to be graded more.

00:17:53.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:00.21
Adz
I think everyone went crazy while we were in lockdown and seeing all their lamellos off for grading, I guess, like this is,

00:18:07.64
youcantcompthis
Yes it was lockdown but I think also too in that particular time frame so Tatum was 1718, Luca was 1819 and I think actually that's how much the hobby changed in that 12 month period and so where I'm going with that is I think the argument could be made if Tatum came back

00:18:13.82
Adz
Mmm. Okay.

00:18:25.66
youcantcompthis
or came out one year later. So just say he was in the same draft as Luca, he would probably have as many cards graded as Trae Young does now. So Trae Young is currently sitting at 39 with 194,000 cards graded. Because I agree with you.

00:18:40.03
Adz
no Yeah.

00:18:40.38
youcantcompthis
I know exactly what you're saying. Like, why isn't Jason Tatum at that point where Trae Young is? And that actually makes a whole lot of sense.

00:18:48.24
Adz
Yeah, yeah, the the the year behind, you might you might be bang on there.

00:18:48.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:53.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:53.96
Adz
um

00:18:54.57
youcantcompthis
The Malo ball, when I'm actually not surprised, he's there because for that 12 month period, he was the, you know, the king of the hobby. And I think everyone was jumping onto him, grading them to flip and all that type of stuff. So that makes perfect sense to me.

00:19:04.65
Adz
forgetting Forgetting about our friend Anthony Edwards.

00:19:05.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah. So why don't we talk about Edwards? Cause Edwards is definitely on the list there.

00:19:10.84
Adz
He has, I think he's, ah but he's very recently jumped Lamello. Like I think Lamello's been in that spot for a while. I think Anthony Edwards is sort of recently surged into that spot.

00:19:20.95
youcantcompthis
He's surged massively. Yeah, i I agree with that. Yeah.

00:19:23.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:24.17
youcantcompthis
So Edwards is at 47 with 177,000. So only a thousand more.

00:19:27.27
Adz
Yep.

00:19:28.81
youcantcompthis
It's actually not heaps, is it?

00:19:30.76
Adz
Um, I, I think it's, it's unique to look at the fact that if you add Victor when Ben Jana to Kobe Bryant,

00:19:30.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look.

00:19:36.86
youcantcompthis
Right.

00:19:39.29
Adz
and LeBron James, you're probably still not getting past the number of MJ's. That's that's that's my surprising stat.

00:19:44.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:46.66
Adz
But Edwards, do you think Edwards belongs there?

00:19:52.11
youcantcompthis
I think, again, it's more of the sign of the time of, you know, like the phase that we're in and look, I think long-term Edwards he is a special player.

00:19:54.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:02.41
Adz
Hmm.

00:20:03.27
youcantcompthis
You know, I was actually thinking about this the other day. How special is this guy? Like, is he going to be as good as Vince Carter?

00:20:11.90
youcantcompthis
And so, you know, until he does something

00:20:11.91
Adz
Okay. Vince Carter's the ceiling you've given Edwards.

00:20:16.40
youcantcompthis
I think Vince Carter had a really good career.

00:20:18.86
Adz
Okay.

00:20:19.17
youcantcompthis
He played 21, 22 years in the m NBA.

00:20:23.14
Adz
Yep.

00:20:23.77
youcantcompthis
He's what, top 20 all-time in points. Like that's a really good career.

00:20:26.08
Adz
Mm-hmm. It's not too bad.

00:20:29.31
youcantcompthis
And I'm definitely not saying that to throw a shade at the guy. I'm just saying like, you know, realistically, like, yeah, we're caught up in the hype at the moment and it's fun.

00:20:34.78
Adz
Mmm.

00:20:35.13
youcantcompthis
And and don't get me wrong, like the hype is cool and he's he's earned it, but at the same time, this all might plateau out. And he's just sort of on competitive teams, you know, not even teams that are competing for a championship.

00:20:42.93
Adz
True.

00:20:47.51
youcantcompthis
So but

00:20:49.19
Adz
yeah

00:20:49.75
youcantcompthis
I don't have a serious problem with, you know, Edwards being that high, but I think probably where I get a little bit surprised is when you start to look, say from 28 to 45. So you've got Larry Bird in there. Trey Young is obviously a surprise for all the wrong reasons, but someone like Giannis, you'd actually think that he would have a lot more cards up there now, particularly after the two MVPs, the championship.

00:21:12.28
Adz
Mmm.

00:21:14.68
youcantcompthis
That's the type of thing where I'm like,

00:21:16.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:17.21
youcantcompthis
And so where I'm going with this, and I'll put Nicola Jokiek into the same conversation piece about this.

00:21:20.58
Adz
Yep.

00:21:23.39
youcantcompthis
Is there actually that little bit of a void in the hobby where actually they're still a little bit undervalued, you know, people haven't sent off heaps of their stuff, you know, to get graded and and and on the bigger boys, is there still that play to be made where you buy those cards raw, send them to PSA and, you know, play the PSA lottery.

00:21:27.56
Adz
Hmm.

00:21:41.96
Adz
I have I have a follow-on thought inspired by what you've just said so We've seen and I'm using Jordan as the comparison right and we've talked about this recently with Jordan inserts the greater Jordan insert seeing recent like a resurgence or a surge Going on with the way they're selling

00:21:45.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. Yeah.

00:21:51.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:22:00.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:22:01.97
Adz
um I don't think we've really started to see that with Kobe and LeBron yet. So is there another level for those cards to go with people sending everything Kobe, everything ah LeBron? When I say everything, you'll notice that the cards that people grade predominantly, we're not gonna say, because people grade everything, is rookie cards.

00:22:25.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:22:28.25
Adz
Is there a point there where you get to the, there's that many rookie cards that have been graded, there's the the the amount, the volume disappears. And then people will go, but there's still a demand for it, which is Jordan. Jordan's obviously in demand. You just grade everything Jordan. If we not hit that point yet with LeBron and and Kobe, or have we already, and that's the result we're seeing. Is that what you're getting at? Like people are gonna go and say, you know what? I'm not gonna get a Yarnas rookie card graded. I've pulled a random,

00:23:01.79
Adz
grain green and I'm gonna call it a color match, so I'm gonna go and get that graded, or a numbered Yarnas, or did you know ah do you see where I'm getting at? like i don't I think the majority of cards that are graded are rookie cards, and then as ah as an athlete gets more popular, more of a bigger variety of their cards gets shipped off.

00:23:21.18
youcantcompthis
So I, I think, I hope I'll answer this correctly. So I think for Giannis specifically, I don't think he's got the liquidity or the popularity just to grade any old insert or veteran silver card to send it off to PSA.

00:23:26.55
Adz
Mm.

00:23:36.73
youcantcompthis
And then that card will be liquid. I think your focus with Giannis and say, Jokic is still very much rookie cards and autograph cards, you know, something like that.

00:23:38.99
Adz
Mhm.

00:23:47.21
youcantcompthis
That's a significant piece.

00:23:48.69
Adz
Mhm.

00:23:48.93
youcantcompthis
In comparison to LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, I don't have a problem with you grading literally anything that's got LeBron James written on the card or even in the background.

00:23:50.45
Adz
Five time champions.

00:23:56.63
Adz
Mhm.

00:24:01.29
youcantcompthis
I think just as the play, there's that play with Jordan where you can grade weird veteran cards with Jordan in the background and that still has some liquidity.

00:24:10.91
Adz
Mmm.

00:24:11.11
youcantcompthis
I think there's nothing wrong with doing that for LeBron James and Kobe. You know, the real question is, or the important thing to the follow that up with is, well, when will it be liquid? And I don't think you really have an answer for that.

00:24:22.86
Adz
Yeah, now you can't, you definitely, yeah.

00:24:22.99
youcantcompthis
So you could be sitting on something, you know, for quite a long time, but Are we going to be seeing, you know, more of a resurgence for Kobe stuff and LeBron stuff in the future? I think absolutely. I think it's just not a matter of if it's, it's when, you know, that's the real thing.

00:24:33.49
Adz
Mmm.

00:24:37.86
Adz
Yeah. Like I, like I'm looking at, cause I feel like Steph is going to be one of those guys. I think Steph is definitely one of those that will, you'll start grading everything, Steph, right?

00:24:45.29
youcantcompthis
Right. So let's talk about Steph.

00:24:47.97
Adz
We've gone.

00:24:48.77
youcantcompthis
So he's 32 on the list.

00:24:48.92
Adz
Yep.

00:24:50.21
youcantcompthis
He's got 228,000 K.

00:24:50.48
Adz
Yep.

00:24:51.89
youcantcompthis
So I think if you are looking at maybe the easiest or the, this, the person who's the easiest to pick up here, yeah, that's the one that has got the most room to move a hundred percent.

00:24:52.64
Adz
Correct.

00:25:00.92
Adz
To move. Yep.

00:25:01.94
youcantcompthis
And I think that's also where we're going back to our friend Ryan at gem rate here. I think he's very hot on Steph Curry rookies and stuff like that. And maybe this is another reason why for that, you know, there's a lot of room to move here.

00:25:10.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:13.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:14.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:14.37
Adz
Yeah. I do think, I do think with Yarnas and I'll ah circle back to Yarnas because I think you're right. There isn't wiggle room and I'll get another shot in at Luca while I'm at it.

00:25:26.57
youcantcompthis
There is, I'm not, I'm saying there's lots of wriggle room.

00:25:27.28
Adz
I think if the bucks, ah yeah, but they won't grade anything with Yarnas at the moment.

00:25:28.85
youcantcompthis
I'm saying, yeah yeah.

00:25:32.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:34.27
Adz
If Yarnas wins, all of a sudden the bucks come back.

00:25:37.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:37.84
Adz
They go back to back say, let's say next season,

00:25:39.11
youcantcompthis
They got Gary Trent Jr. That puts them over the top.

00:25:41.25
Adz
Yeah, that's it.

00:25:41.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:42.56
Adz
They've got their, they've got their replacement players that make the team gel and all of a sudden they're, they're NBA champions again.

00:25:49.90
youcantcompthis
Doc is cramming every day filling his notebook full of, you know, notes.

00:25:49.95
Adz
Yarnas wins it.

00:25:53.37
Adz
That's it.

00:25:53.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:54.09
Adz
That's it.

00:25:54.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:54.74
Adz
And, and Yarnas gets another MVP, gets another championship. All of a sudden the Bucks are a powerhouse. Yarnas is back in the spotlight. Does he climb up the list? Do people just start going, Oh my God, we forgot about Yarnas. Let's go crazy with the answer to Kumbo thing.

00:26:12.34
Adz
Also with that, if Luca doesn't win, does he just stay at 457? Do you know what I mean? Like around that 460 mark.

00:26:20.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:21.13
Adz
Because without the success, people stop grading the cards.

00:26:25.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:26.52
Adz
And I think it takes a lot to to to be on this list. So there has to be a level of winning, because you look at it, in that top five there, ah well we'll say the top three NBA players out of the top four, Jordan, six-time champion, arguably the greatest player of all time, arguably because like the debate will never end.

00:26:30.24
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

00:26:46.57
Adz
But then we have LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. All, but like between them, that's what, 16 championships? That shows that winning does stimulate this this economy to ah to an extent.

00:26:59.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah, for sure.

00:27:00.65
Adz
and opens that up and I think that, yeah, I think there's opportunities for people to jump the ladder and yeah.

00:27:07.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So and we've actually gone really long here without even realizing we're 27 minutes into the pod. Let's have a quick break and we'll come back and we can do part two on this because I think there's still a lot for us to chew through.

00:27:21.35
Adz
Oh, this is gonna be the Gem Raid episode.

00:27:24.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah, we literally could just do this for the whole episode.

00:27:25.69
Adz
Let's just call Ryan, no.

00:27:26.01
youcantcompthis
We won't. We're going to talk about other stuff guys. Don't stress. We'll be, we'll be back. Yep.

00:27:33.28
youcantcompthis
All righty. I'll just write onto the sheet, just the, um, yep.

00:27:36.84
Adz
27 minutes.

00:27:39.51
youcantcompthis
And that'll just pull up grosses out.

00:27:43.27
youcantcompthis
Um, at the sort of five minute mark, you could probably take out about 30 seconds of us working out what we're going to be talking about. I usually just go back and just trim out stuff like that. So yeah, as I've just written that 20, 27 minutes.

00:27:54.67
Adz
Yeah, that's cool. I'll have a play with that. Trying to find the red sheet.

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Adz
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00:29:33.98
youcantcompthis
Righty, we are back. Adam, let's talk about some of the concerns we have with this. I'm going to start off immediately at number nine, which is Zion Williamson.

00:29:43.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:44.75
youcantcompthis
I am very worried at seeing the total population on this at basically half a million cards.

00:29:50.95
Adz
There's a lot of paperweights.

00:29:51.71
youcantcompthis
makes me It makes me really worried in the sense that even if he has a fantastic career, I just wonder with this overpopulation slash overgrading of cards, these are just basically going to, you know, the bottom is going to fall out of them.

00:29:52.48
Adz
It's fine.

00:30:05.45
youcantcompthis
So that's probably my biggest concern looking at this list.

00:30:08.21
Adz
True. true

00:30:11.23
youcantcompthis
And I think it's a really interesting comparison, so we've got Shaq at 15.

00:30:15.62
Adz
Yep.

00:30:15.80
youcantcompthis
And I think the comparison I'd like to make here is that Shaq's got it basically about the same amount of cards. He's got 400,000 cards there, which is a lot, particularly for the era that Shaq came from and compared to say, you know, Zion, which is in a very different era in terms of the number of cards graded. But Shaq has had a very, very successful career. He's got this very larger than life personality type and Zion doesn't have either of those things.

00:30:39.90
Adz
Yep, agreed.

00:30:44.02
youcantcompthis
You know, he doesn't have the, the total point score. He doesn't have the championships and personality wise, he's not the biggest of talker and it's, I couldn't really imagine him having his own TV show and, and podcasts and all the all the rest of it.

00:30:52.79
Adz
No.

00:30:56.69
Adz
Who knows?

00:30:57.55
youcantcompthis
So, okay, look, you know, definitely I ah could be wrong about this, but

00:30:58.31
Adz
He's young. yeah That you sound pretty accurate.

00:31:04.79
youcantcompthis
That's my biggest worry, to be honest. When you read this list, who are you worried about?

00:31:09.47
Adz
I'm worried. ah like I mean, everyone in that that sort of on the 26 to 50 side, I guess it doesn't, there's no real concerns.

00:31:22.21
youcantcompthis
I think Trey Young on that side.

00:31:23.68
Adz
What about John Moran?

00:31:26.28
youcantcompthis
I'll put probably Jar into the same conversation as Zion, but

00:31:29.69
Adz
oh I mean, he still, he could come back next season and and tear it up and be, and Memphis could be the next big thing, who knows? But I think, yeah, everyone pretty, pretty hard that that rookie year. And I think that shows. That's really showing with what we've got in this list. Like it's showing, that's the rookie year, right?

00:31:51.10
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:31:52.74
Adz
um but then we see the the opposite side of that with people like Luca and Trey. But yeah, I think Trey Young's probably concerning, I wouldn't say overly concerning for me, but yeah, I'd like, what i'm what i'm not what I'm curious to know now, and Ryan, if you're listening, is number of cards graded unique cards?

00:32:08.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:32:18.98
Adz
Because I i would hazard a guess, if we were to, and I'll use the the last couple of players we've talked about in Zion and Shaq as the example, I would say, but I don't know, 500 different cards, unique cards for Zion versus four and a half thousand different cards for Shaq. Do you know what I mean? Like I think all there'd be a bigger diversity, a bigger range of cards that have been graded uniquely.

00:32:51.70
Adz
I just think that data would be fun to play with, not particularly useful, maybe.

00:32:57.93
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:32:59.24
Adz
But, because I mean, look, Luca, Donjich, there's three cards, isn't there? In that 457. Prism Base, Prism, Silvers, and...

00:33:09.16
youcantcompthis
Prism numbered cards.

00:33:09.45
Adz
I don't know. numbered cards.

00:33:10.95
youcantcompthis
That's it.

00:33:11.11
Adz
That's it. That's that's all.

00:33:11.99
youcantcompthis
There was no other cards that was graded for him.

00:33:12.95
Adz
There was no other cards printed.

00:33:13.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:33:14.19
Adz
That's the pop count on Luca.

00:33:14.54
youcantcompthis
No cabooms. Yeah. No downtowns.

00:33:16.50
Adz
In fact, of those 457,455,000 are all prison banks.

00:33:16.66
youcantcompthis
Nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:22.71
Adz
i I joke, I joke that that we'll get to that next year. um Yeah.

00:33:32.30
youcantcompthis
All right, so I think probably my final thought on this is that so responding to your JAMA rent comment, I was quite firm in my opinion last week about, I'm very worried about JAMA rent and Zion prices bottoming in out in the next 12 months. And I think I'm going to double down this. So if we got Jarmorant with that many cards at number 12, 467,000, that to me is definitely a red flag. And the name that we haven't mentioned so far is Wembley. So Wembley is clocked in at 24. 280,000 cards have been graded.

00:34:08.66
Adz
how

00:34:09.50
youcantcompthis
And I feel like in some ways I'm contradicting myself. Cause on one hand I'm saying, well, when be, I'm not worried at all about it. And jar, you know, I'm very concerned, but I think the difference is I'm really putting when be into the same sentence as Jordan LeBron and Kobe at the moment. I think he's just this very liquid guy that is going to continue to be liquid.

00:34:26.96
Adz
Wow. You hope so.

00:34:31.48
youcantcompthis
I think he is because I think he's going to outshine jar and Zion in terms of hobby wise.

00:34:34.98
Adz
Okay.

00:34:36.24
youcantcompthis
And I think this year's rookie crop,

00:34:40.05
youcantcompthis
Either there's going to be a huge opportunity to pick up cheap Wembley's because people have literally just lost their attention span after 12 months, which I think is absolutely crazy. I think whoever is in this year's draft is not going to be holding a candle to Wembley in terms of talent potential and also hobby potential. So, you know, that's something I think we should keep an eye on, but I can actually see him being more greater than Jordan.

00:35:01.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:05.20
youcantcompthis
And this is my hot take from today's show because

00:35:08.49
Adz
That's a lot of cards!

00:35:10.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but the reason I say that and the reason why I feel pretty comfortable about it, you know, we were just talking about this that, you know, Tatum came one year too early and he's not even in the top 50. But Wembley is in this huge time where people are sending off cards all the time. The other thing too, I think, why he's going to be eventually more greater than Jordan is because I think people are becoming a little bit more selective about what they send. So, for example, we went through this sort of junk grading error where every single card that you got was sent off to be graded.

00:35:41.88
youcantcompthis
So, for example, Ty Jerome rookie cards from Optic and Don Russ were being sent off, right?

00:35:43.26
Adz
Luca Zion Yeah, like people just because it was cheap you just do it right

00:35:49.96
youcantcompthis
Which

00:35:52.31
youcantcompthis
But when now that you look back at it, it's so almost comical to think that we did that and you know we thought that was a good idea. Whereas I think even some of you know the rookies that we see at the moment, so maybe this is not the best example, but this is one that's coming to the top of my head. Someone like say Miles Bridges or PJ Washington, but there's not that many of them.

00:36:13.03
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:36:14.91
youcantcompthis
I feel like in that sort of very short period of time, we almost have wised up a little bit. And so I say the same thing from this year's rookie class.

00:36:19.36
Adz
Sure.

00:36:22.80
youcantcompthis
Like I don't think there's that many Brandon Miller's that it's been sent in.

00:36:26.23
Adz
Yeah, understandably.

00:36:27.25
youcantcompthis
I think most people are like, okay, we know who the liquid person is this year. This is the person we're gonna send in bulk to PSA.

00:36:30.75
Adz
Mm.

00:36:33.45
youcantcompthis
And this is the best chance we've got you know to flip these cards out or you know these are the cards we wanna keep in our PC.

00:36:33.79
Adz
Okay.

00:36:38.21
youcantcompthis
So that's why, you know I think the hobby has grown a little bit. I think we've also gotten a little bit smarter and and that's why I feel like this is the reason why it's gonna happen.

00:36:47.46
Adz
Looking at the the period of time that happened my thought on that would be if you look at the and we'll get Zion Zion and jar is the is the spot right and That's when all of the other players started to get graded as well like through to Luca.

00:36:57.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:03.41
Adz
That's a that's a period right um There's people just said everything

00:37:05.84
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:37:11.87
Adz
And that's because you could send a card for grading. And if you look at the prices of cards, like the spike we went through, you could send a a a low ah Derek White off for grading.

00:37:18.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:29.09
Adz
And if he had a a crazy game, he's his cards would be worth $500. So you could 10X your money.

00:37:35.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think also too, even if he didn't have a crazy game, you could put it up for sale and you could take the price that you paid for it and then your grading fee and then add say $10 or $20 on top of it, even if it was a low level card.

00:37:41.29
Adz
Because it was a 10. Yeah. Yep.

00:37:49.31
youcantcompthis
Like that's the, I think that's the real difference. You could sell things a lot easier.

00:37:52.47
Adz
You can flip it really. Yeah.

00:37:53.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:54.63
Adz
Yep.

00:37:54.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:55.21
Adz
And I think once the the market wizened up to the volume that was being put out there.

00:38:00.42
youcantcompthis
The bubble burst to a degree.

00:38:02.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:03.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:38:03.15
Adz
Yeah, now there's less people grading so the market will correct and then the value will will probably because of the sparsity, obviously the value will be driven up because there's not as the pop counts aren't as high. I think I think there's an ebb and flow.

00:38:15.06
youcantcompthis
We better check that.

00:38:16.73
Adz
I think there's an ebb and flow to it.

00:38:18.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I think on some cards, the pop count is still very high. Like ah we need to, I would actually like to see the total pop counts on. I can't wait for Victor to be on card ladder. I'm really interested to see that we could actually.

00:38:30.89
Adz
You realize that you're suggesting Victor's gonna have 1.8 million more than Jordan graded over the next period of time.

00:38:39.19
youcantcompthis
But he's already 24th after 12 months out.

00:38:42.41
Adz
But look getp it you take but you you take the top few out of it and then it dr it drastically drops.

00:38:42.42
youcantcompthis
ah So Jordan's been in the hobby for what nearly 40 years.

00:38:52.67
youcantcompthis
But if he is if he's at number four or five next year, I'm not going to be surprised.

00:38:59.41
Adz
I just don't think he's eclipsing Jordan. That two point, Jordan's more than double the top, the next two.

00:39:06.67
youcantcompthis
I think it's going to be one of those things, like when you look back at NBA players' salaries from even 10 years ago and you see who the top earners were, like the it's going to change so much, you know, moving forward. Like people weren't, like 40 years ago, people weren't grading Jordan cards, right? Do you know what I mean?

00:39:24.02
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:39:24.44
youcantcompthis
So it's, it's always unfair to compare the two.

00:39:24.62
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.

00:39:27.20
youcantcompthis
So like,

00:39:27.58
Adz
I'm i'm like, i just I just, I feel like by putting him in that status, you're suggesting that in 20 years time, the goat debate is not going to be LeBron versus Jordan.

00:39:37.39
youcantcompthis
No, no, I'm not saying that.

00:39:37.46
Adz
It's going to be Jordan versus Wembley.

00:39:39.76
youcantcompthis
I'm just saying in the current um time that we're in and the way that people are sending cards in, I think how liquid he is.

00:39:46.61
Adz
Hmm.

00:39:47.50
youcantcompthis
He multiplies that by 20 years, like it's easily he's going to be number one. He might have double the number of cards.

00:39:53.50
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. But this is all obviously his rookie cards that are going off. but that's just It's a spike of sorts.

00:39:58.85
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:40:00.51
Adz
But we'll find out in 20 years time, we'll check in.

00:40:02.67
youcantcompthis
If we're still podcasting, we have episode 12,000.

00:40:04.83
Adz
That's it, we'll check in. Don't worry, this will be this will be a and a yearly check in.

00:40:13.91
Adz
Off season, what's the news? Jordan versus Wembley, that's it. Let's check in.

00:40:21.24
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, let's go to our next break and we'll come back and we will talk some LeBron James and we'll have some You Can't Come This news of our own.

00:40:32.40
Adz
nice

00:40:41.13
youcantcompthis
We are back. Welcome back everybody. Thanks for coming back. LeBron James to hold the Team USA flag.

00:40:47.02
Adz
back

00:40:52.01
youcantcompthis
Congratulations to LeBron James. I think you are a role model. I think you're a fantastic ambassador and I actually give this a plus plus to Team USA for naming him to be their ambassador and their flag holder. So congratulations LeBron. I don't care if people are going to say I'm getting on he's like Jockstrap or Lowestovit, I don't care at all. I also thought it would be a really good time for us to talk LeBron James cards. I've picked out something that's a little bit different, a little bit weird. The 2018 Panini Prism, LeBron James Red Prism, PSA 10. Population on this is just 95. It last sold for $152.

00:41:37.14
youcantcompthis
I like this card. It's numbered to $2.99. It ticks a lot of boxes for me in that sub 200 range, PSA 10.

00:41:41.41
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:44.49
youcantcompthis
It's numbered. It's a near color match. I think the correct ah color terminology for that uniform he was wearing for the Cavs at the time was, sorry, that's a Lakers card. He's actually, it's actually a Lakers card.

00:42:00.71
Adz
Oh, the rigit first year Lakers, he had a Caps uniform, didn't he?

00:42:03.92
youcantcompthis
Well, I wonder actually, yeah, if that's an an old photograph, it's really actually hard to tell.

00:42:06.41
Adz
Mmm.

00:42:07.84
youcantcompthis
I think that is a calves uniform though. And and that's their wine colored uniform that they wore for a little bit.

00:42:10.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:12.64
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:42:12.84
youcantcompthis
But anyway,

00:42:15.57
Adz
More of a burgundy than a red, like a deep red, yeah.

00:42:17.34
youcantcompthis
yeah, that's right.

00:42:20.99
youcantcompthis
Any thoughts from you?

00:42:21.16
Adz
Yeah, we're getting, oh we're just gonna get deep on color matches now.

00:42:24.13
youcantcompthis
Absolutely. So any thoughts from you add on LeBron being the flag holder?

00:42:28.91
Adz
um I do believe that the memes have already started. Flag bearer appearances, one, Jordan, zero. And throw that into the um to the goat debate, why not?

00:42:41.92
youcantcompthis
I feel like people are sick when it comes to this stuff. They can't help themselves to, you know, yeah.

00:42:45.02
Adz
It's ridiculous, isn't it? No, I think it's, he's the first, um, first basketballer to get the, the, the flag bearing opportunity.

00:42:51.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:42:53.12
Adz
So I think it's, it's a really, it's an honor.

00:42:56.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, huge.

00:42:56.28
Adz
And I think it's well warranted that that Lebron is chosen. He's going over. He's what 30? No, he's turning 40 in, in like five months.

00:43:06.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:08.70
Adz
That's, and he's playing. Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's a, it's an amazing feat to be doing what he's doing at his age.

00:43:16.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:16.60
Adz
And there's a lot of ah athletes at the Olympics that are going to get, get a real privilege, the the privilege of meeting LeBron James on the court. Um, I think it's going to be cool.

00:43:27.30
youcantcompthis
I remember when I was a kid, when Kathy Freeman was the Australian flag holder, and I think she lit the torch too, didn't she?

00:43:34.38
Adz
Yep.

00:43:35.01
youcantcompthis
The Olympic flame.

00:43:36.41
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:38.06
youcantcompthis
That's a small Yeah.

00:43:38.22
Adz
gate andrew Gay, Andrew Gay's got to hold it if we want to stick to basketball. You have to carry the flag.

00:43:42.24
youcantcompthis
ah so I just, yeah, fair enough.

00:43:42.26
Adz
Gazy.

00:43:44.16
youcantcompthis
We probably should stick to basketball, but I just remember almost being in awe of Kathy at that time where she was just that sort of almost kind of think of the right word here, but almost sort of biblical proportions of how culturally important she was at the time, you know?

00:43:47.82
Adz
Mmm.

00:43:50.40
Adz
Yep. Mmm.

00:43:58.73
Adz
Yeah, most definitely.

00:43:59.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:00.50
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:44:01.72
youcantcompthis
Anyway, got to love a bit of Kathy. ah Alrighty. You can't comp this news. Hobby hangout. Melbourne, the 17th of November, bookmark this in your diary, people. We will be there representing Melbourne at the hobby hangout.

00:44:16.43
Adz
We're back.

00:44:18.05
youcantcompthis
We're being invited back. We pretty much replied yes without even checking with our significant others. We just ran the gauntlet, didn't we? add Yeah.

00:44:26.36
Adz
That's it. It was like, would you like to? Like, would we?

00:44:29.72
youcantcompthis
That's right. Yeah.

00:44:30.45
Adz
It was a question, but we phrased it differently. So, no.

00:44:33.95
youcantcompthis
Sydney, first of December, And Adelaide and Brisbane, you have been asking for a hobby hangout. You have asked the boys have delivered. We don't have a confirmed date yet, but there is no way that that would put it onto a poster and and not deliver. So it's just a matter of time.

00:44:51.72
Adz
TBC, but yeah.

00:44:52.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Adelaide, Brisbane, you've been asking for it. It is coming your way. So congratulations to you guys. You'll have the full hobby hangout experience. You'll have an absolute blast.

00:45:04.54
Adz
I have to come to Melbourne to get the um the You Can't Comp This hobby hangout experience.

00:45:08.54
youcantcompthis
full experience yeah yeah that's right that's true yeah all righty i'm gonna nerd out a little bit here a lot of these segments next are really for me just to nerd out on because it's the offseason it's my favorite time of the year so

00:45:09.52
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:45:22.19
Adz
Trades are happening, things are happening, yeah.

00:45:25.04
youcantcompthis
The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Zair Williams and a 20-30 second round pick via Dallas to the Brooklyn Nets for, excuse my pronunciation, Mamadi Deakite, sources tell ESPN. So basically the the best way for you to think about this is this is a salary dump by Memphis and the Nets have salary cap space. So what they're doing is they take in a young asset and they also taken some drive pick equity on top of that too basically selling their cap room for that so fantastic move there for the Nets I really like this a lot for them I've been frothing over Zair Williams a little bit because if you remember last time he's basically someone he's grown since he's come into the NBA so he's already put on

00:46:09.98
youcantcompthis
for nearly five inches onto his frame. So this is something about those guys that I have to admit. This is like very tantalizing for me.

00:46:17.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:17.09
youcantcompthis
I had a look at his sold prices. So there's some really interesting ones on here, which I think are worth looking at.

00:46:25.11
Adz
I'm trying to look him up on card ladder, but I've got i've got an ebay eBay sales.

00:46:27.33
youcantcompthis
He's not on card later. So I just, if you click on the link in the sheet, add there's some eBay sold listings. Yeah. So PSA

00:46:32.92
Adz
I wasn't actually looking him up on card ladder. I was just guessing he wasn't there.

00:46:36.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's not there, unfortunately.

00:46:37.85
Adz
ah

00:46:37.97
youcantcompthis
PSA 9, numbered to 39 on the blue scope rookie. That sold for 17.50. Whoever bought that, congratulations.

00:46:46.58
Adz
Mm.

00:46:47.16
youcantcompthis
The other one here that took my fancy here was the Spectra, numbered to 49. PSA 9, that is, sorry, it's a little bit hard to read. US $20.50. And the last one, which I probably think is worth mentioning, 2122 national treasures, vertical, ah RPA, number 299, PSA 10 on that. That is very, very, very uncommon to get PSA 10, $282. So all of those three purchases, I really like at three different price points.

00:47:19.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:19.98
youcantcompthis
And look, you can scavenge, you know, raws for, you know, a couple of dollars, I'd be guessing for this guy here. so Yeah, some really interesting times. I think keep an eye on this kid He's gonna be in the rotation. I suspect there's no reason they'll trade for him and put him onto the bench Yep, great pickup there for the nets. Congratulations

00:47:39.93
Adz
Nice.

00:47:41.75
youcantcompthis
Dallas Mavericks, sorry, Dallas Mavericks, the Denver Nuggets, we're gonna talk about ad here. What I thought we could talk about ad is to start off with that KCP is left. So huge acquisition for the magic. I think that ticks off so many boxes, what they need, they need a veteran, they need a shooting guard, they need 3D.

00:47:55.71
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:48:00.66
youcantcompthis
Great, they've got all that. But on the flip side, then the Nuggets have got this hole that essentially needs to be replaced.

00:48:03.27
Adz
Agreed.

00:48:06.30
youcantcompthis
so If you look at their depth chart here, there's a couple of different depth charts. You can see some of them have got Julian Strawther as the starting shooting guard.

00:48:13.43
Adz
Mm.

00:48:14.72
youcantcompthis
Some will have Christian Braun. So it really does depend on the one that you look at.

00:48:18.61
Adz
Yep.

00:48:19.01
youcantcompthis
I'm probably going for Christian Braun to be starting. So initially that's the person who I think is going to have the most raise in their value. So that's who I'd be looking at first in saying all of that. I think Christian Braun is a good athlete. I think he's going to be potentially a reasonably good 3 and D player, like a very weak version of a KCP.

00:48:36.21
Adz
oh Yeah.

00:48:41.00
youcantcompthis
But I think in terms of talent, Julian Strother is the one to keep an eye on there.

00:48:44.24
Adz
True.

00:48:44.52
youcantcompthis
so they're the two that is immediately coming to my mind. I think also too, in terms of someone having the opportunity on a very good team that could have a deep run, there's not that many guys in the league that you can say is young, is cheap, and could also have a long deep run.

00:49:01.43
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:02.36
youcantcompthis
So I really like this.

00:49:02.72
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:49:04.61
youcantcompthis
I think if you want to go into some bargain bins, you want to go into eBay and, you know, get some cards for sub ten dollars, all the rest of it. There'd be plenty of action out there for you to, you know, have a bit of a play with this. So.

00:49:16.76
Adz
Most definitely.

00:49:17.80
youcantcompthis
Is there anyone on the Nuggets roster that you're keen on? add who Who else are you looking at?

00:49:21.81
Adz
So who are we looking at? Strawther.

00:49:24.83
youcantcompthis
No, like you could look at.

00:49:24.92
Adz
Then looking at the depth chart, they had Trey Alexander as well. And i think I think there's some opportunity there.

00:49:28.68
youcantcompthis
yes Yeah. Yeah, OK.

00:49:30.80
Adz
I think that looking at the depth chart, it's going to be very interesting with the Nuggets.

00:49:35.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:49:36.23
Adz
Do you think they there's anyone to add on the on the on the Denver Nuggets?

00:49:40.19
youcantcompthis
Well, so yeah can we hold that thought for two seconds?

00:49:42.56
Adz
Sure.

00:49:42.77
youcantcompthis
Is that all right? Yeah. So the sort of the rumor out there is that part of the reason why KCP left is because the front office had been putting together young players for the coach to play, but he's not been playing them. He's been playing vets.

00:49:55.54
Adz
Yep.

00:49:56.05
youcantcompthis
So basically the way to force his hand, they're like, we're going to strip out some veterans from you. And they also did that too. They lost another veteran who's further down in the sheet. So I slipped my mind for a second. Reggie Jackson. So that's the same thing.

00:50:10.89
Adz
Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:11.78
youcantcompthis
I really like Reggie Jackson. And I thought that was a really good pickup for the Hornets, but actually he's has been bought out today. So sorry. I'm segueing here.

00:50:18.25
Adz
It's a long term play. It's actually a long term play, though, from Denver. And it's very smart the way that you're giving that you're opening that door at the two guard position.

00:50:25.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, I i get it 100%. But for example, now Philadelphia have picked up a really good veteran backup point guard, who I think has actually still got a lot of talent.

00:50:31.66
Adz
True. Yeah.

00:50:33.40
youcantcompthis
So, you know, there's that part of it. But I think going back to what you're saying, so yeah, so Peyton Watson's the one to look at, and then Zeke Najee. So, like, full disclosure here, I've got a small Zeke Najee side PC. the You know, the thing I worry about this guy is that at the end of the day is probably size for him, because I think if he's going to be successful in the NBA, he's going to be a five. But does he have enough meat on the bones to sort of bang with the big boys?

00:50:56.97
Adz
Yeah, but The only problem with um with Zeke I think on this team is Jokic in the big games is gonna play 48 minutes Do you know what I mean?

00:50:59.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:08.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:08.53
Adz
Like you're not gonna get a lot out of him and I definitely think at the

00:51:09.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:13.50
Adz
Murray needs a bit of a rest. He'll play a lot of minutes, but that two guard spot rotation, you're going to have opportunities.

00:51:20.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:20.89
Adz
Yep. So it's that, that two, three area, even the one through three, but yeah,

00:51:26.65
youcantcompthis
The funny, the thing i i thought I consider Denver though is that they could put out three wings really easily and just get go kick to bring the ball up. I never really stress about who's playing one, two, and three for the Nuggets.

00:51:39.91
Adz
yeah true, true, true.

00:51:41.78
youcantcompthis
ah I could be wrong about that at the same time though. It just seems like They can put out Jalen Pickett, Christian Braun and Peyton Watson. I still think that they wouldn't have a problem getting the ball up the court, you know, it just doesn't matter. ye Right. Sorry, I cut you off before. The reason I think what you're trying to get to is Russell Westbrook. So he's been traded again to the Jazz. They basically have cut him almost immediately. So that's the second time he's been traded to the Jazz and also let go in three years about that.

00:52:13.97
Adz
Second time I was looking for the the the image.

00:52:17.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So that's a funny one there.

00:52:18.47
Adz
oh

00:52:19.91
youcantcompthis
The Nuggets are going to pick him up. Why do you think the Nuggets have picked him up? Because to me, he's almost the anti-Nuggets player.

00:52:27.25
Adz
He's so an anti-Nuggets player.

00:52:29.08
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:52:30.28
Adz
Is he going to fill out that that time that what Jokic isn't on the court? Because his usage is so red ridiculous. That said, he was different at the Clippers, so I don't know how he's reformed. I don't think he has. It's always going to be the same Russell Westbrook. I don't i don't think he fits. But maybe he does, who knows.

00:52:49.49
youcantcompthis
So he's joined them on a veterans minimum.

00:52:51.94
Adz
Of course he has.

00:52:53.16
youcantcompthis
The way I look at this is that it's almost a for the Nuggets they can't lose. Like this is just like a free safety or you're playing with house money because I think this team is really well established. I think it's a very veteran-laden team in terms of, you can always have one knucklehead on the team and you can manage that one knucklehead. That's sort of something famous that the Golden State Warriors did with like, you know, boogie cousins and they brought in a few sort of like loose ends over the years and they've always said, you know, one is fine, but like Javelle McGee, they had him on the team for a while and and, you know, one is fine.

00:53:20.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:27.39
Adz
True, true.

00:53:29.59
youcantcompthis
So I think that sort of fits that rule really nicely.

00:53:32.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:33.53
youcantcompthis
I think also to what you said, is he has reformed a little bit.

00:53:33.98
Adz
Just

00:53:36.60
youcantcompthis
And I actually agree with that. I think his shot selection is much better. He's not so egocentric anymore. But at the end of the day, he is going to do Russell Westbrook things. You know, I don't disagree with that. But yeah, but

00:53:46.93
Adz
He's gonna do that with the second unit though. I don't think he's gonna jump into a starting two spot.

00:53:52.11
youcantcompthis
No, I don't, I definitely don't think he's going to start, but I was actually going to say, I don't think he's going to finish either. So then I don't think you have to worry about him shooting the three pointer at the end of the game because he'll be on the bench and probably Christian Braun will be in with Michael Porter Jr. Like that makes more logical sense to me than Westbrook playing, you know, 45 minutes.

00:54:04.47
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:54:08.74
youcantcompthis
So I think.

00:54:09.57
Adz
I like it. I think it's not a bad um makeup.

00:54:13.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think where that really helps them is just that just helps them in game, say, 45 to 82, when your kick is tired, Michael Porter juniors injured, and you need a live body that's a good NBA player who's ah a veteran who's proven can win you a couple of games.

00:54:28.26
Adz
Yeah for sure.

00:54:29.28
youcantcompthis
I think that's where I really like, you know, the Russell Westbrook signing for them. So yep

00:54:34.26
Adz
Definitely. I like it.

00:54:35.49
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, this next one is a little bit of an oddball one because I've sort of said how much I hate the Olympics, but I have to bring this in because Giddy has taken a lot of hate this offseason in terms of, you know, all that extracurricular off the court stuff that he went through and then basically being traded for a bag of peanuts. to the Bulls and then people were even saying that the Bulls lost that trade. I could not disagree more. I think picking up Giddy in terms of his size, his youth and athleticism is an absolute home run for the Bulls.

00:55:06.34
Adz
Yeah. yeah um Yep.

00:55:07.58
youcantcompthis
He's basically had a game-winning play in the pre-Olympic qualifiers. He's had some really good numbers. I'm not going to reel off a whole lot of statistics for you, but he's clearly not mentally scarred by everything that's happened to him the last 12 months. And there's also an argument to be made that he's rejuvenated.

00:55:21.54
Adz
I

00:55:25.28
youcantcompthis
He's going to come back and be you know the leader on this Bulls team that

00:55:28.95
Adz
like it.

00:55:29.27
youcantcompthis
realistically is you know desperate for some leadership so you know i think in terms of josh giddy you have to be really excited about this card ladder wise he's up 35 the last three months i don't think this is

00:55:42.40
Adz
People are excited, people are excited about this move to the Bulls.

00:55:45.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah, this is not a coincidence for me. I think that this is very positive for his card value, particularly the beating that he's taken the last 12 months. I think it's been pretty bad if you were a Josh Giddy holder, because at one point he was down to $35. So he's gone from $35 all the way back up to 124. Nowhere near his all-time high at nearly 300 bucks, but at the same time still very positive.

00:56:11.49
Adz
It's trending in the right direction.

00:56:11.69
youcantcompthis
I'm gonna stick with my rating of A++ plus plus in terms of Josh Giddy being a buy. It's maybe a B at the moment just for the fact that he's gone up so much in the last month or so, but still I think that's a really good buy.

00:56:24.32
Adz
if If it does have a really positive impact on the Bulls, where do you where do you think he sits? Is he a $200 player? Is he a $300?

00:56:32.12
youcantcompthis
Look, I think if he gets to $200 the next 12 months, I'll be very surprised. But at the same time, I don't think this is going to be a depreciating asset anymore. I think this is going to be a very slow burn upwards. And that feels better for me than a car that's going to be worth 50 percent less in 12 months.

00:56:43.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:47.84
youcantcompthis
That's the way I sort of look at this.

00:56:49.30
Adz
A steady 150 maybe.

00:56:51.05
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

00:56:52.59
Adz
Yeah, it's good.

00:56:53.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:56:53.81
Adz
It's a good news story about an Aussie.

00:56:54.29
youcantcompthis
All righty mate. Yeah, that's right. We should take a break out because we're we're all over the place with our ads tonight, but let's have our last break and we'll come back and do our final segment.

00:57:03.98
Adz
And finish it off.

00:57:05.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:57:10.11
youcantcompthis
All righty, we are back. We are back. Now, if you ever need a little bit of a pick me up, you should have a look at this Instagram post. Shams Sharania. Screen time, 21 hours, 34 minutes. Even me who enjoys looking at screens has never quite clocked up 21 hours. So I'm feeling pretty good about my self-esteem and my screen time at the moment, Ad. What's your record for screen time?

00:57:37.68
Adz
I, uh, nowhere near that. I, I get like, I, I feel worried if it goes like, I dunno, over four hours or something. Like it means I've been bludging on the couch just sort of scrolling.

00:57:47.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:57:50.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah, death death scrolling.

00:57:51.66
Adz
Yeah, yeah, like, wow.

00:57:55.26
youcantcompthis
That's epic.

00:57:57.91
Adz
21 hours and 34 minutes on the first day of and NBA free agency.

00:58:04.43
youcantcompthis
He must have injected Red Bull intravenously to stay awake for that long too, you know.

00:58:10.17
Adz
That's, that's dedication.

00:58:14.91
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right.

00:58:18.82
Adz
He's like, this is is, I've gotta focus, gotta stay focused.

00:58:21.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:58:22.90
Adz
Free agency is where it's at. Wow.

00:58:25.50
youcantcompthis
Speaking of free agency, he actually announced his own free agency. So he's going to be basically putting himself to our open market for people to bid on him, basically. so

00:58:35.79
Adz
Pretty funny.

00:58:35.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All righty. Caleb Martin has left the Miami Heat, which was basically someone who bought into the whole Heat culture part. He signed a four year contract, $35 million dollars guaranteed, another $5 million dollars in unlikely incentives.

00:58:45.11
Adz
Yeah, yep.

00:58:52.56
youcantcompthis
And he is signed with the Philadelphia 76ers.

00:58:55.27
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:58:55.48
youcantcompthis
He will most likely be their starting power forward this year. I'm really excited about this for the 76ers, I think this is a huge loss for the Miami Heat in saying that. Jamie Hockers, Nicola Jovic, I think that just gives...

00:59:08.20
Adz
ah Who's playing alongside Nikoli Jokic, by the way, for Serbia?

00:59:13.23
youcantcompthis
That is very confusing. I was actually really thinking, I hope I pronounced this the right way.

00:59:17.29
Adz
No, you did.

00:59:17.57
youcantcompthis
I'm pretty sure I got it right then. Yeah. um This is really good for them on the flip side in terms of the hobby value for Caleb Martin. Look, I don't think there's a heap of upside for this guy. I think he's the type of guy that you love his game. You love his hustle. He probably plays better than you're expecting them if you sit through and watch, say, five 76ers games in a row. But I don't think you're going to go out and spend your hard earned cash on Caleb Martin. So interesting one, but more for winning as opposed to, you know, hardcore collecting.

00:59:45.21
Adz
Wow.

00:59:50.52
Adz
True.

00:59:50.85
youcantcompthis
Now, these next few are just going to be quick hitters, because these are all ones that I've rolled in from previous weeks that with some of these we've pushed back from a month now. so

00:59:58.61
Adz
Yeah, true. True. True. We probably some of them might be out of date. Who knows?

01:00:02.07
youcantcompthis
yeah I mean, look, it's still off season stuff, but it's definitely not fresh news anymore.

01:00:07.43
Adz
Yep.

01:00:07.99
youcantcompthis
Patrick Beverly is planning to sign with the Israeli basketball club. Excuse again, my pronunciation, Hapo Tel Aviv, BC. So thanks Pat Bev for all the memories. I've enjoyed watching you troll people for years and years and basically just be an annoying little bastard, but I've loved every second of it and I'm going to miss you for sure. So.

01:00:29.49
Adz
He'll be back to guest-commentate, I guarantee it.

01:00:32.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's got his own podcast that was doing pretty well until he shut out one of the reporters in the change room that

01:00:41.62
youcantcompthis
Good old Pat Bev.

01:00:42.96
Adz
ah pa peppe yeah pappe well

01:00:46.15
youcantcompthis
One to put on your prospecting list though is Mr Furphy. Johnny Furphy is actually an Australian basketball player. He was put into the green room so the expectation is if you're in the green room you'll go somewhere in the first round usually in the top 15 to 18. He actually fell into the second round the paces have acquired him and I'm really liking everything that I'm seeing. I probably think he's like one year away in terms of physical maturity but

01:01:19.62
youcantcompthis
The Pacers also don't play their rookies a lot, so I'm not expecting him to see a lot out there, but summer league he's been awesome. 16 points per game, 6.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals, 40% from the field and 33% from 3, so 19 years of age, 6 foot 8. I think there's a lot to like about this kid.

01:01:39.99
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

01:01:41.77
youcantcompthis
I think effort-wise it's all there. I think defensively he's pretty good. I think his shooting numbers will you know obviously improve on what we just like listed there. But I also get the feeling with this guy, it's just all about the right attitude, the right environment for him. And I think he's going to do really, really well. So I think this is ah a bit of a cop-out. But if he becomes a Spurs player, I think he'll be fantastic. Do you know what I mean?

01:02:06.36
Adz
Go Spurs, go.

01:02:06.49
youcantcompthis
Like he just goes into a system that's, you know, it's all, you know, he's just that type of player that plays basketball the right way.

01:02:07.92
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:12.10
youcantcompthis
I think there's a lot to like about this kid.

01:02:13.52
Adz
True, true.

01:02:14.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Z. Williams, we've already touched on that. So let's go to Polo Banchero sale. This is a little bit of an interesting one. 2022 Prism rookie card, Red Power, PSA 10. Population on this is just 23. It's also numbered to 75, so it's never gonna be more than 75 of these.

01:02:37.48
Adz
Bit of a spike, yeah.

01:02:38.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah, if you are looking at the, the trend on this he was very much up it was nearly a two thousand dollar card and it was all the way down to five hundred dollars and then a very slow and steady upwards and then a huge spike up to that two thousand seven hundred mark look i think at five hundred dollars that's a really shrewd purchase but at the same time for me at two thousand and seven hundred you either know something that everyone else doesn't know yet or you just really like this card and you really like this player look

01:02:57.37
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:08.01
youcantcompthis
I love Ben Chirro. I think he's an amazing scorer in terms of his NBA body. You know, I think he's like top 10 in terms of athleticism, but at the same time, he's in a funny market.

01:03:15.31
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:19.35
youcantcompthis
And as good as he plays, yeah, not that many people even know who, you know, Paulo Ben Chirro is.

01:03:20.38
Adz
Orlando's in a tough spot, yeah.

01:03:24.78
youcantcompthis
So look. For me, Banchura was a very much like a ah tread easily one. It's not that I don't love his talent and all the rest of it. It's just how will the market play out and influence the value of this car? That's what I'm really not too sure about.

01:03:42.95
Adz
Very true.

01:03:43.97
youcantcompthis
Buy, hold or sell for you add at 2,700.

01:03:47.05
Adz
So, yep.

01:03:47.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah. What about long-term? Do you think that like that's a long-term burn where you put it away and hold onto it?

01:03:53.58
Adz
Number 275 might be.

01:03:56.16
youcantcompthis
Hmm.

01:03:57.17
Adz
um I'd like to see how Orlando go next year first. Do you know what I mean?

01:04:01.60
youcantcompthis
I think the magic.

01:04:02.00
Adz
like I wanna see a little bit more than just make the playoffs.

01:04:08.88
youcantcompthis
Do you know the funny thing for me is that the magic had such a huge jump this year. If they don't have ah another jump, I feel like people are going to be disappointed when in fact they're almost like two years ahead.

01:04:19.10
Adz
They're tracking, they they're doing what OKC did.

01:04:20.64
youcantcompthis
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. They're doing amazing. Yeah.

01:04:24.41
Adz
I feel like they're they're literally just following the footsteps of what OKC have built with their young lineup, yeah.

01:04:24.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:04:28.48
youcantcompthis
Oh, if you want to call them the o OKC of the East, ah I think that's awesome. yeah

01:04:33.66
Adz
Okay, east. Ceased? No, just okay, east. I was waiting for it. Yeah.

01:04:47.19
youcantcompthis
Eye-catching sale from our friends at Card Ladder. Kobe Bryant, this is for you, Ad.

01:04:52.50
Adz
Nice.

01:04:54.29
youcantcompthis
2012-13 PRISM autograph silver number 225.

01:04:54.34
Adz
What have we got?

01:04:59.82
Adz
Oof.

01:05:00.80
youcantcompthis
BGS 9.5 Auto 10 last sold for $19,800. Adam, buy, hold, or sell this. That to me looks like an on-card autograph too.

01:05:13.09
Adz
Doesn't look like it's numbered to 25. That's my only little thing with it.

01:05:16.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:05:17.23
Adz
I mean, it just looks like a...

01:05:19.13
youcantcompthis
So it should be checkerboarded or it should be mojoed, something like that for that short print.

01:05:23.73
Adz
shit Should be, yeah, it should be something.

01:05:24.19
youcantcompthis
Is that what you're saying?

01:05:27.39
youcantcompthis
Again, I think that's the sign of the times ad in 12, 13, they didn't do 16,000 parallels.

01:05:27.40
Adz
It actually, yeah.

01:05:32.33
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, true, true, true.

01:05:35.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:05:36.34
Adz
It might've just been the the auto was a rare auto. Cause I know sometimes the parallel color isn't the... isn't the point, it's the it's just a rare autograph, so we only sign that many kind of thing.

01:05:48.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:05:49.18
Adz
um Look, it's hard for me to ever say sell on Kobe, um so hold.

01:05:59.81
youcantcompthis
I think for me, this is a really good almost case study in that. I think this is a special card and I think it's an important card. I think it's a very beautiful card, but maybe this to me sort of illustrates a little bit of that. Kobe Bryant is really a hold and this is sort of the future prices that we're going to see with these autographs.

01:06:19.92
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. And especially the lower numbered autos.

01:06:23.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:24.82
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like unnumbered, maybe that's a, that's a sell. That's something you think about, but when there's numbering involved, it's yeah.

01:06:29.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:32.61
youcantcompthis
I think Kobe Bryant autos in general for me are just a buy. I think you can't go a lot wrong unless you, you know, egregiously overpay for something, but I think in general buying Kobe autos is a really good thing.

01:06:36.32
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:43.23
Adz
yeah

01:06:46.36
youcantcompthis
The other thing that really takes my fancy on this card too is that I think in general, I'm pretty critical about Prism autographs, but actually that is a really nice looking card. Obviously it's an on-card autograph, so there's that part of it too, but that's just a beautiful card.

01:07:02.84
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

01:07:05.84
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, from Kobe Bryant to Davion Mitchell, just couldn't be any more.

01:07:06.66
Adz
Yep.

01:07:10.34
youcantcompthis
You can't comp this really. He has been traded from the Sacramento Kings to the Toronto Raptors.

01:07:12.88
Adz
Yep.

01:07:18.63
youcantcompthis
look I think for the Kings, this is really about freeing up some salary cap space. It's also about freeing up a roster spot.

01:07:26.71
Adz
ye

01:07:26.86
youcantcompthis
Now that we know that Demara Rosen went there, but there's actually a part of me that thinks that he's a nice little prospect. So I think the Raptors have done a good job there in picking that up. The Raptors also got Sacha Vezkanov, which actually, I think he's a good little off the bench, three, four man who will do really well for the Raptors. And the Kings have picked up Jaylen McDaniels Actually, I think the part where I think Davion Mitchell was important for the Kings with these was his defense.

01:07:58.49
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:58.59
youcantcompthis
And maybe now that I think about this, I'm sort of a couple of weeks down the track, Jalen McDaniel is actually a more versatile defender than what Mitchell is. So he actually might be a bit more useful for the Kings.

01:08:07.52
Adz
yeah Yep.

01:08:09.43
youcantcompthis
So I don't feel as bad about this now as I did when I first heard about it. So that's probably a good sign.

01:08:17.49
youcantcompthis
speaking of teams who are smart doing smart things i can't believe i'm about to say this but the detroit pistons have claimed paul reed off waivers again we're talking about this before with teams basically using salary cap to pick up you know future assets or players i think paul reed is a

01:08:32.42
Adz
Mmm.

01:08:37.27
youcantcompthis
legitimate backup center in the NBA. So if he's playing for the next 10 years for a team, the NBA, I'm not going to be surprised about that. I think he's a talented guy. I think this is a really, really good get for the Pistons. And the funny thing for me is I feel like the Pistons have been doing this the last couple of years, but it just hasn't really pulled off. They got Marvin Bagley. They got James Wiseman. They've done it with a couple of other prospects, too, that I'll admit is not really coming to the forefront of my mind, but. I don't mind the Pistons doing this, you know, having a go bringing in some guys.

01:09:10.70
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:12.00
youcantcompthis
I think this is probably the best one that they've done so far. I think probably the lowest ceiling out of all of them, but maybe the highest true and NBA potential in terms of a veteran who's skilled and you're not just sort of betting on this potential that, you know, might come into play or or not.

01:09:30.35
Adz
True.

01:09:33.52
youcantcompthis
The only downside though is if they did this, does that mean that the salary now comes off to Philadelphia 76's books? Because I think that's what happens.

01:09:41.59
Adz
Not.

01:09:42.51
youcantcompthis
If they claim it off waivers, the contract essentially gets traded over without a trade happening.

01:09:47.31
Adz
Oh, really? Okay.

01:09:49.21
youcantcompthis
So have they actually done the 76's a favor in terms of picking up his salary straight away?

01:09:54.59
Adz
Possibly. Yeah.

01:09:55.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:09:55.70
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:56.83
youcantcompthis
Anyway.

01:09:57.10
Adz
I feel like Philly's trying to position to do what Boston was doing with picking up pieces to strengthen themselves.

01:10:04.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:10:05.43
Adz
That's a later episode talk.

01:10:06.91
youcantcompthis
I think so. Final thoughts, Ed, what have you got for us?

01:10:11.00
Adz
Uh, final thoughts, uh, be interested to see what happens in the Olympics and how that, how, our if there are any standouts that become hobby relevant, like Jovic and Jokic, the, the, the new dynamic duo in Serbia.

01:10:25.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

01:10:30.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:10:30.63
Adz
Um, yeah, no, no, not, um, I'll be curious to see who's left in free agency and where they, these players go. Um, Yeah, maybe we touch on that next episode once a few more people have been picked up. but we can We can smash it out, there's not many left.

01:10:46.67
youcantcompthis
I actually had that in the list. You want it really quickly.

01:10:52.30
youcantcompthis
Tyus Jones, Mark L. Fultz, Isaac Coro, restricted free agent, Lonnie Walker, Luke Kennard. Kennard is rumored to go back to the Grizzlies and the Zaire Williams trade was part of that.

01:11:01.07
Adz
Yep.

01:11:02.50
youcantcompthis
So I think that's done.

01:11:03.58
Adz
Yep.

01:11:03.82
youcantcompthis
Precious Attua, Spencer Dinwiddie, Gordon.

01:11:05.96
Adz
Dim Whitty just got picked up by the Mavs.

01:11:08.70
youcantcompthis
Is that true? Because i I wasn't too sure if that was a real story or a fake one.

01:11:12.71
Adz
Oh, okay. So there's a rumor that he's being picked up by the maps then.

01:11:14.81
youcantcompthis
yeah Gordon Heywood, Jay Crowder, Marcus Morris. I hate that guy. Dennis Smith Jr., Robert Covington, Seddi Osman and Doug McDermott. I think McDermott's going to be back in the league some somewhere.

01:11:27.92
Adz
Yep.

01:11:29.03
youcantcompthis
He's too good of a shooter.

01:11:29.06
Adz
I have a feeling the Lakers are about to sign a bunch of random people for minimums.

01:11:34.26
youcantcompthis
I mean, some of these guys at minimum would be fantastic. Like if you could get Jay Crowder, Gordon Heywood.

01:11:36.88
Adz
Mmm.

01:11:41.26
youcantcompthis
That's not terrible.

01:11:41.62
Adz
I don't know what the plan is.

01:11:42.94
youcantcompthis
Seddi Osman.

01:11:43.01
Adz
Cause they haven't, the Lakers haven't, haven't signed anything in free agency.

01:11:47.17
youcantcompthis
What about Marco Fultz at the minimum?

01:11:49.71
Adz
I'd take faults. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:53.76
youcantcompthis
I feel like that's something that the Clippers would do, actually.

01:11:54.53
Adz
Covington.

01:11:56.51
youcantcompthis
I feel like they're taking flyers.

01:11:56.87
Adz
The Lakers would take Covington. I think he can shoot, he can shoot the ball.

01:11:59.06
youcantcompthis
Yep.

01:12:01.26
youcantcompthis
Yep.

01:12:01.71
Adz
Yeah. There's a few, there's a few pickups there. I think LeBron's waiting until he finishes his Olympic campaign to come back and wave his flag around and then

01:12:08.92
youcantcompthis
Oh, then do his GM work then.

01:12:12.30
Adz
Then you'll have a flag to wear to wave anytime he wants to do something.

01:12:13.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah, fair enough. Yep.

01:12:18.78
Adz
I wonder if he gets to keep the flag. That's my final thought. I wonder if LeBron gets to keep the flag.

01:12:24.91
youcantcompthis
I feel like if he just wrote them a letter and said, I want the flag to just give it to him.

01:12:28.08
Adz
I want the flag that I carried. Yeah.

01:12:29.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:12:29.36
Adz
Yeah.

01:12:31.86
Adz
Cool.

01:12:32.77
youcantcompthis
My final thought, just touching on what you said about the Team USA guys, I think Halliburton is going to be the big winner. Because I think if you build a team with that much talent around it and you put someone in the Halliburton who, in my opinion, is the closest thing to Steve Nash that we're going to see in our generation, like it's just a match made in heaven.

01:12:53.10
Adz
Hmm.

01:12:56.63
youcantcompthis
Like if you're a point guard like that, that's what you want is like people to pass the ball to and he's got

01:12:58.58
Adz
Yeah.

01:13:01.65
youcantcompthis
11 guys to throw to, except for Derek Wyatt.

01:13:03.39
Adz
Set a record for Olympic assists.

01:13:06.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:13:06.94
Adz
Do you throw shade at white again? He's not gonna get a minute in the Olympics.

01:13:08.57
youcantcompthis
All right.

01:13:12.99
Adz
Actually, that's what we didn't touch on. Kevin Durant, if they win the gold, will be one of a very, very few athletes to have ever won four gold medals at separate Olympics. Goes into very rare company. Anyway. um i think I think the young players playing with these vets is gonna be a huge benefit on their career.

01:13:24.89
youcantcompthis
The guy's an absolute baller.

01:13:35.77
youcantcompthis
Maybe that's what we've missed out, is talking more about Kevin Durant.

01:13:36.34
Adz
Anyway.

01:13:40.44
Adz
No, he's he's...

01:13:41.44
youcantcompthis
Maybe we need a Kevin Durant deep dive, Ryan.

01:13:48.45
Adz
Can I take the week off the week we do, Kevin Durant?

01:13:51.56
youcantcompthis
Sure.

01:13:52.35
Adz
You might be a player I like less than Luca. If that's possible. Anyway.

01:13:58.18
youcantcompthis
On that note, thanks everyone for listening. Thanks to our Central Coast radio listeners. We appreciate you all. And, uh, I'm not too sure if I want to thank you for the request that you made last week for the radio show. It was, um, i' I'm never doing that again, basically. We've done it once. It's not happening again.

01:14:14.56
Adz
Well, ask people for requests.

01:14:16.62
youcantcompthis
Did you see the playlist?

01:14:17.88
Adz
No? Oh my god.

01:14:22.56
youcantcompthis
Thanks Al for your request.

01:14:23.11
Adz
Do it.

01:14:23.84
youcantcompthis
That was, um, that was really weird.

01:14:30.91
Adz
I'm gonna have fun next time I'm producing the the radio show.

01:14:35.56
youcantcompthis
Thanks everyone, bye bye.

01:14:36.35
Adz
Thanks everyone, see you later.