You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 161: Wilt Chamberlain Sale, MJ Star Record Sale, Topps Olympics Update, Eminence, Topps Chrome vs Excalibur
Episode 161 delivering the business as per usual. Adam and Russell Smash through a bunch of topics this week:
Topps Olympics YCCT
Topps Olympics SCN
Eminence recap
Topps chrome vs Excalibur
Wilt Chamberlain sale 1.7 million
Jordan Star Rookie 1 million
Gem Rate stats: most cards graded in a month
Upper deck set review part 1
Upper deck set review part 2
Caitlin Clark 1/1 Hawkeyes 1/1 40k sale
Steph curry electric etch contra
Wemby 1/1 nebula mosaic
Jordan 1984 star PSA 7
Lonnie walker to celtics
TJ McConnell extension with pacers
McClung extension
Top Sales of the last week
Kobe film stars
Adrian Dantley sale
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youcantcompthis
AFL.
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Adz
AFL like Australian rules football.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
I think so.
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Adz
Hmm. Interesting. I might have to go down and have a bit of a look say.
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youcantcompthis
Anyway, so that's the lads. So, yeah, really good set up down there and yeah'm just really grateful that the boys are on board.
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Adz
Yep.
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youcantcompthis
So enough of ah sponsoring promotions. Let's get straight into it and let's talk about TOPS Olympic packs.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
So we again, we spoke about this the last couple of weeks, but this has moved really quickly. They were selling for $11.99 for a single packet. Then last week we were talking about them selling for 2,500 and then there was a couple of comps this week for 3,499 and then 4,500 USD. So, you know, huge, huge money. um We had some really good interaction on this on the different Facebook pages. I put it up into a couple of different Facebook pages.
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Adz
yeah
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youcantcompthis
I think the one that's probably stuck in my mind the most, I'm pretty sure this was from David Ralph. He actually said, are these comps being verified sales?
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youcantcompthis
Because funnily enough, when I did go back on there to look at the pricing the other day, the 2,500 ones would disappeared off 130 points.
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Adz
Yeah. Mmhmm.
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youcantcompthis
and then they'll then replace with the 3,500 and the 4,500 one. So in another week, we might go back and look at these and you know and they're gone too. So I think, like for me, there's a lot going on here, but I'll say the first thing is obviously, I think at the moment, this is a very liquid, fluid market.
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youcantcompthis
So a little bit of buyer beware and I wouldn't be using those comps as absolute concrete gospel at this point.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
And then I think the second thing too is that, you know we We roughly know how many packets there are, but we don't we don't fully know. We also don't know whether the one-on-ones been pulled yet, and I think a lot of this value is baked into the fact that the one-on-one hasn't been pulled yet.
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Adz
Mm.
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youcantcompthis
so and Again, this has sort of taken some comments out of the post today, I think. A little bit of comedy here is that actually if the one of one has been pulled and the person hasn't admitted it yet, and then it's just selling off all their other packs for, you know, a couple of grand each.
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Adz
Imagine that.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah. So that was from Mark Berry the second, actually. So Mark, good, good comment on that one, mate.
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Adz
Pick up, good pick up.
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youcantcompthis
You absolutely nailed it. Yeah.
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Adz
It's tough, isn't it? ah don't I don't know.
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youcantcompthis
Where are you at with this ad? What do you think about it all this nonsense?
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Adz
I definitely think it's the hype train. Everybody's on board. And yeah, look, as soon as soon as the one of one surfaces,
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
I think this ah this thing ends.
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youcantcompthis
They just go back to $20 packets.
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Adz
I don't know. That's it, that's it. and And look, there was a one of one that was pulled, I believe. Are we already talking about that later on or?
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youcantcompthis
We can talk about it now. That's the perfect time to go in.
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Adz
Yeah, because there was a gold, like a a special, ver not signed, but it's a one of one.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah. yeah
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Adz
So I don't know what all the different the variations that have been promised by Topps, but yeah, the fact that there is a one of one of these three of the base card that we all we've all seen everywhere is is pretty cool.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, they did put it up onto their website. They were pretty transparent about all of that.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah.
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youcantcompthis
I don't think there's anything in that. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I think.
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Adz
The fact that there's a one of one card that, do you know what I mean, that has been pulled, it might not be the triple auto, but it's a it's ah it's a one of one, which is pretty cool.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah. yeah So I think just to maybe round this segment off, the hobby is still alive. There's different ways, there's different angles to, you know, make a dollar out of.
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youcantcompthis
And I think that's something that maybe has been a little bit different the last couple of years. And so I think while I've been pretty s skeptical about you know where what Topps is doing it and where they're taking us, they are doing things that are keeping people engaged and
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Adz
Mm.
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youcantcompthis
Obviously people like to play the flip game. They like to play the prospecting game. So there's a lot of people engaged into this space and, you know, there's some crazy high prices happening at the moment.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
You know, it's kind of a fun and exciting time in the hobby.
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Adz
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
So, you know, I think you have to, I'm saying this in the my most sarcastic, you know, way possible, you know, the hobby is dead, right? And obviously all of this, you know, stuff that's going on, it's just crazy talk.
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youcantcompthis
But at the same time, it's, you know, it's fun, you know, it's fun and You know, so here we are.
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Adz
yeah yeah
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Adz
yeah
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youcantcompthis
Alrighty. Eminence. Eminence has been on my mind this week, so I've been looking through a few different sales of Eminence. Now, I think to probably give you a bit better of an introduction as to, you know, what's happening here, it's really variable as to
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
when these cards come up because they ask, there's not many of them in terms of the actual print run.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
It's, you know, it's much less than flawless. And so it seems to me like they come up quite irregularly, but it's just happened in the last couple of weeks. A lot of being coming up onto eBay. So I did a couple of posts on this.
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Adz
oh
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youcantcompthis
I did a video with CapCut and I just did like a screenshot one, but just having a look at that now, it didn't really work that well, to be perfectly honest. So all the pictures got cut off, unfortunately.
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Adz
You see the bottom of it, don't see the...
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's pretty useless, isn't it? Anyway, so there was a Charles Barkley. There was a Chris Paul on there.
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Adz
R.J. Barrett, is it?
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youcantcompthis
RJ Barrett. There's a Jerry West on there too. There's a Magic Johnson.
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Adz
The Jerry West was interesting.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
Curry.
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youcantcompthis
The Oscar Robertson. There was a Kevin Garnett to five. Shaquille O'Neal to 10. the Steph Curry 4 out of 5. That was absolutely lovely. The Luca with the ah silver and then obviously this Sean Camp 1 numbered to 10 too.
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youcantcompthis
So yeah, I think probably where my head, my conspiracy hats going with it at the moment is, you know, why are all these cards coming up in a one or a two week period?
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youcantcompthis
Like that's, you know, kind of like really unusual.
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Adz
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
So, and also too, cause you know, we've we've been talking about the off season purchases, you know, like,
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Adz
Yeah. What cards to look out for?
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youcantcompthis
Usually this is, it's not a great time, you know, to be selling and buying. It's usually something you'd be looking at to actually be buying at the moment, not ah particularly selling.
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Adz
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
So again, you know, Tinfoil had on here. um There was also that story on Twitter about Warren Buffett selling a whole bunch of his shares off at the moment. He's sort of predicting like another, you know, financial crash.
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youcantcompthis
So maybe they've been reading the same tea leaves that Warren Buffett has. like Who knows? I'm just making this up at this point. But
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Adz
and True.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, I think Eminence cards are absolutely amazing. And I sort of put these into the same bucket is like flawless and even NT, you know, to a degrees, it just seems like what you pay for the box price and then what you get for the after sale on the majority of the cards, it's just an absolute fraction of, you know, the buy in.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
So like, I don't think that these cards are pocket change.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
And I'm not saying that for a second. Like, I think all of these cards are pretty, you know, special purchases.
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Adz
Very, very high end.
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youcantcompthis
But at the same time, they're not that outrageous that you couldn't get your hands on one of these if you, you know, put your mind to it, if that makes sense.
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Adz
That, yeah.
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Adz
Hmm, yeah.
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youcantcompthis
Whereas to buy a whole box of Eminence, that's a 30K buy. And like that to me is like, that's untouchable, right?
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Adz
That's, that's, that's not even, that's not a high end purchase.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
That's beyond the height. Yeah, okay.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's like a car, you know, so I think that's sort of where I'm, you know, lying with all this.
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Adz
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
All right, here we go. Now I've got the proper post up. So we've got Chris Paul that sold for 482 US. The Charles Barkley for 500. The Jerry West for 400. The Magic for 370.
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youcantcompthis
Let's just round that up. Oscar was three hundred USD. The KG was eight hundred and twenty two. That's a really funny one for me because I think the big ticket is like an amazing basketball play.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
But at the same time, it's kind of a little bit high in my head. But if you're a KG collector, it's numbered to five. It's got the diamond in it. It's got the 75th anniversary. You know, it's got a lot of pluses on that card.
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youcantcompthis
That's a really cool one. The Shaq went for eight ninety. That was number to 10, the Steph Curry for 2,300. Look, I actually think that's a really good low-key purchase, to be honest. ah The lucad Luca Doncic for 1,200.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
And yeah, that's that pretty much recaps them all. So yeah, look, I really enjoyed this segment actually sort of, you know, doing the the background on it and just, you know, looking through these cards.
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Adz
That's. Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
And I think that's, you know, we're talking about catchphrases in our group chat today. Maybe my catchphrase could be, ah buy more Eminence or bring Eminence to the forefront or something like that, you know.
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Adz
Bring.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah. So if anyone's from a marketing perspective, they want to help me out with the Eminence catchphrase. I'd really appreciate that. I'm drowning here.
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Adz
Yeah, no, I'm staying out of this one. That's it's a bit above my pay grade. At the price of a box of Eminence, I'm not even, nah, it's not.
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youcantcompthis
ah Even for the 30,000, you wouldn't make me as a slogan. Come on, Adam.
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youcantcompthis
Now I know.
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Adz
If I end up with a box of Eminence, then maybe I'll get to work on a slogan. It's a fair price.
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Adz
Oh boy.
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youcantcompthis
um Of all of those, what would you what would you take out of those ones, man?
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Adz
The Curry.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, that was really good.
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Adz
The Curry.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
The Curry. Or the Magic Johnson was actually nice.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
Nice little card.
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youcantcompthis
So this is from Instagram, Peter's goat cards. He also wanted the Steph and he also wanted the Luca. He couldn't nail it down to one, but I think that's fair enough. Yeah. All righty. Let's go to our first break and we will be right back.
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youcantcompthis
Um, so I didn't record the first four minutes of the show. So, um,
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Adz
but la Sorry.
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youcantcompthis
That's okay. So I'll just have to get because you're, you're streaming out here.
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Adz
You'll be able to get it off YouTube. Yeah, you'll be able to get it off YouTube.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
YouTube will be there.
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youcantcompthis
So however I did that last time, I think um after I upload it to Buzzsprout.
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Adz
Well, the podcast goes to YouTube now, doesn't it?
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Adz
Oh, but the live, yeah, but the live's also available on YouTube.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, I'll have to get off the life. That's right.
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Adz
Get the best of both worlds if you're on YouTube.
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youcantcompthis
It's only a couple of minutes. I can probably just play it and record it on Audacity just like that. That'll be fine.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
Yep.
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Adz
Easy, easy peasy.
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youcantcompthis
Cool.
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youcantcompthis
All right, so bet.
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Adz
Three sponsors is is is basically a sponsor each ad break now.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, pretty much.
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Adz
Nice.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's that's exciting, isn't it? Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
All right, we'll do um hobby hanging out.
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Adz
Yes.
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youcantcompthis
Yep.
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youcantcompthis
Alrighty, guys, we are back. Thank you so much for coming back. Let's talk about the hobby hangout. Adam and I will be venturing down Sunday the 17th of November to the Melbourne Pavilion.
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youcantcompthis
We cannot wait to be there, to be live podcasting again, to catch you all there.
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Adz
Mmm.
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youcantcompthis
Um, also going to be there on the day. We've got live breaks. We've got panels hosted by Matthew Payne. We've got the hobby Australia cards and collectibles is going to be their mailman breaks. So Jonah Michaels will be there. Blacklist cards, shiny cards, traders, Aussie collected to big three cards and supplies. I'm just reading this out randomly. The card cartel, card slinger collectibles, bubbles, collectibles, trader bros.
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youcantcompthis
Oz Soccer Breaks, on and on and on. CarsonTCG will be there. If you want your tickets, head to thehobbyhangout.com.au.
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Adz
He will.
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youcantcompthis
I'm just having a quick look at the tickets at the moment. Early bed tickets are still available, so if you get into the early bed tickets, you also go into the draw for a $500 hobby hangout voucher.
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Adz
That's cool.
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youcantcompthis
There is 37 early bird tickets left as of the time that we're recording. Once early bird allocations have sold out, it goes to $34. So there is a ah small discount for getting in early. So definitely check that out. Also, I think interesting this year for Melbourne, everyone gets a showback. So I'm definitely looking forward to getting a little, I mean, I hope we get a bag ad. Do we get a bag?
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Adz
We don't go in through the main entrance and we don't get tickets. yeah but
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youcantcompthis
Hmm.
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youcantcompthis
That makes me a little bit sad. I might have to heat him up for a showback, say listen.
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Adz
You know, i can I can, yeah, I know you're hitting him up for a show bag. You just go, like before the door's open, you just go and line up the front.
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youcantcompthis
I'm going to email him right now.
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Adz
I know.
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youcantcompthis
Sunday, the 1st of December, Sydney Roundhouse, same deal. Go to the hobbyhangout.com.au, get your tickets from there. Thank you so much, Hobby Hangout, for your ongoing support and and support from the start.
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youcantcompthis
You guys have backed us and given us a lot of faith from the word go, so thank you guys.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
They have, they've been great.
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youcantcompthis
We're blessed. Yeah.
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Adz
if If, well, if we went to the Sydney, are they doing hobby, are they doing goody bags in Sydney?
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youcantcompthis
I don't know.
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Adz
Because we could go up there as just guests as in pay for tickets and get a goody bag. That's a long way to go for a goody bag, isn't it?
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youcantcompthis
It's a long way to go for a show back, mate. Yeah, I could probably just pay for postage cheaper, I reckon.
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Adz
Organizing a road trip to the Sydney hobby hangout. Maybe when they do one different state, we'll go there.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
nice I was gonna say, are you gonna shit all over Crop's Chrome again?
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youcantcompthis
All righty. Topps Chromad, let's talk about that. So just before I walk into this segment, this is not about us shitting all over Topps, okay?
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youcantcompthis
No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not, but you know I want to give it some curation and some some thought and some feedback.
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Adz
like Yes.
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youcantcompthis
A little bit was happening in this space.
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Adz
yes
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youcantcompthis
so The week before, I was making videos of entire sets of my cards. so This is a little bit of a bugbear of mine. You know you you spend all this time collecting cards. Then you, you know, you organize them and you put them into folders and you sort of put them into the cup and you don't look at them.
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youcantcompthis
So, you know, I do try and look at my cards more frequently. That's like one of my sort of KPIs, if you want to call it that.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
So I was looking through an old folder and I found some old school Excalibur, which is just a nice set. ah I can't remember how much I paid for this. I reckon I paid. 50 or 100 bucks for it.
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youcantcompthis
like it was you know It's nothing.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
It's nothing. like Anyway, it's a nice looking set. And so I was looking at it and I'm like, well, this is when you really break it down, you think about it. This is pretty much the same thing that Topps did to Crone, but they just went about it in a you know in a much different you know a way.
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youcantcompthis
And I think I tried not to be too unfair on it, except I had to just put in a straight base card.
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youcantcompthis
The the appearance would have looked, I think, ten times worse than that. So I i actually put in a numbered card for tops. And I just compared it to a basic scalable, right?
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Adz
Mmm.
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youcantcompthis
So that's just the run of the mill.
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Adz
Yep.
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youcantcompthis
You know, a billion of these are being printed, all that type of stuff. So, yeah. I think what I was trying to get to is that it's just the contrast just isn't there with these cards.
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youcantcompthis
And it's just so much sort of, not only is there a lack of contrast is at the same time. And I don't know how they did that. Maybe that's an artwork into itself, but there's also so much going on. It just sort of seems lack of contrast and also muddied.
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youcantcompthis
So that was the, yeah.
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Adz
it's very It's a very busy card. the um yeah yeah I agree. great Is that because of the licensing though?
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youcantcompthis
And I think the other thing that's a little bit interesting too is the actual photography that they've chosen is very, if you look at all the shots, they're basically all facing away from you or twisted in some way.
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youcantcompthis
And that is, it's directly related to the licensing and that's fine.
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Adz
is that is that is it Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
Like I i understand that I get that, but I think. In my mind, I'm like, this is the elephant in the room. And instead of just addressing the issue front on, which would be just showing the front of their jersey and putting a and good photo in there.
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youcantcompthis
Now they've sort of put crappy photos in there, but you still know that the jersey isn't complete anyway.
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Adz
Mmm.
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youcantcompthis
Do you know what I mean? Just put a good photo in, Photoshop off the stuff.
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Adz
Yeah.
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youcantcompthis
It's a blank jersey. Everyone knows it anyway.
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Adz
Mmm.
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youcantcompthis
Like, you know, you're not fooling anyone.
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Adz
And they didn't have to be so busy with the background.
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youcantcompthis
Yeah.
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Adz
Mmm.
00:16:59.15
youcantcompthis
So look, this is probably the last time we're going to talk about this. So, you know, if you do want to.
00:17:04.84
Adz
This is the last dump you're gonna take on Top's Chrome, really.
00:17:07.54
youcantcompthis
If you do want to, you know, get it off your chest, like now is the, now is the right time. Look, we had a couple of comments on this. It wasn't a super busy post, but Jofu contributed to this.
00:17:18.07
youcantcompthis
And basically he just said, reminds me a little bit of leaf designs.
00:17:22.32
Adz
Ah, yeah.
00:17:22.41
youcantcompthis
The photos aren't sharp. That's interesting about the photography thing.
00:17:26.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:17:26.68
youcantcompthis
You almost have to wonder if they do that on purpose to make it easier for them to Photoshop. Who knows?
00:17:31.71
Adz
Maybe it's a result of the photoshopping.
00:17:35.11
youcantcompthis
I mean, you can, I wouldn't say I'm an expert photo shopper, but I'd say I've got enough to know how to put in a sharp photo, right?
00:17:42.52
Adz
Enough know-how.
00:17:44.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah. You know, like that's easy to be fixed. Yeah.
00:17:46.88
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.
00:17:47.39
youcantcompthis
Lots of bright colors design, like substance or direction. Sure.
00:17:54.32
youcantcompthis
Yep.
00:17:56.56
youcantcompthis
Look, I actually think that's a really good comp between the two. I think there's a lot of
00:18:02.54
Adz
The Excalibur, I just, I think the Excalibur, yeah.
00:18:04.49
youcantcompthis
No, Joe, no, Joe Fu's point about the leaf.
00:18:07.27
Adz
Oh.
00:18:07.71
youcantcompthis
I think that's a very good con between leaf and tops. I think there's a lot going on there.
00:18:12.08
Adz
With the the autos.
00:18:12.30
youcantcompthis
And in addition to it being no, just the way they presented it.
00:18:16.25
Adz
True, okay, yeah.
00:18:17.83
youcantcompthis
And then also to the fact that they're both unlicensed, like there is actually a bit you know to be said there.
00:18:25.28
Adz
Yeah, well they are, and it's it's the challenge with the unlicensed product. But God, they could try a bit harder.
00:18:34.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah, but OK, so take that picture on the leaf one, for example, see how Giannis is like coming straight towards us.
00:18:39.87
Adz
Hmm. Yeah. You can say in front on.
00:18:43.06
youcantcompthis
Right, so that's fine. I feel like they've addressed the elephant in the room there. Everyone knows it's unlicensed.
00:18:47.53
Adz
Hmm.
00:18:49.35
youcantcompthis
That's fine. But at least get the design right. So, for example, if you put that photograph onto the Excalibur card, I think that would look quite fine.
00:18:59.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:01.25
youcantcompthis
You know what I mean? Like what's wrong with that?
00:19:02.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:02.55
youcantcompthis
So, and I think maybe from a more lighthearted perspective, like there is some good artists out there doing their thing.
00:19:03.19
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:10.64
youcantcompthis
So um I'm not trying to stir the potty, but what about Tyson Beck? You know, couldn't Tyson have done a better job than this templated tops Chrome actually.
00:19:19.48
Adz
Yeah, he probably could have. Let's be fair. Yeah.
00:19:22.65
youcantcompthis
No, he couldn't though. Cause he likes to do a design for each card. Doesn't he? He doesn't like to do like a cookie cutter across the lot. So that would probably be.
00:19:29.20
Adz
Yeah. Sure.
00:19:31.15
youcantcompthis
That would probably be unsatisfying for Tyson, wouldn't it?
00:19:34.10
Adz
might be
00:19:35.51
youcantcompthis
I'm completely speculating here. So this is, I've not spoken to Tyson about this for two seconds. So don't anyone read between the lines on that. I'm just, but all jokes aside though, um there are people out there making custom cards at the moment that have done a better job than top.
00:19:51.46
youcantcompthis
So I think that's the, that's for me, the take home about all of this.
00:19:56.88
Adz
yeah
00:19:57.38
youcantcompthis
So, you know, where are we going to be in two years time when they get the licensing and and all the rest of it? So their license, I found that out. It's September 25 that it runs out.
00:20:09.05
Adz
September
00:20:10.88
youcantcompthis
Correct.
00:20:12.47
Adz
Not September 25th this year, by any chance. Damn it.
00:20:16.96
youcantcompthis
Sorry, man.
00:20:17.67
Adz
So it's another year.
00:20:17.89
youcantcompthis
We've definitely got we've definitely got one more year. Yeah.
00:20:20.51
Adz
Alright, one more year's fine, I guess.
00:20:21.56
youcantcompthis
And so apparently there's a gray area between the 25th and then after that. So for example, if they've still got other releases that are, you know, coming up in through the schedule.
00:20:31.11
Adz
Mmm.
00:20:32.63
youcantcompthis
So for example, flawless, which is generally a little bit later.
00:20:37.79
Adz
Yay!
00:20:38.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:20:38.81
Adz
Woo!
00:20:38.91
youcantcompthis
So that's going to be interesting to see how fanatics handles that little bit of a segue, but
00:20:44.64
Adz
Okay.
00:20:51.74
Adz
Makes sense.
00:20:52.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Alrighty. Let's talk about the thing that actually I wanted to talk about. Number one on the list, but here we go. That's how we roll. Now this is from Slabstocks. This is from Instagram. Wilt Chamberlain, 6162Flir.
00:21:10.96
Adz
Is this, yeah, this is the one that we talked about last week, we touched on last week.
00:21:15.90
youcantcompthis
It was left in a chest of drawers for 60 years. Someone dug it out. It looked in pretty good condition.
00:21:21.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:24.04
Adz
I certainly was.
00:21:24.68
youcantcompthis
comes back SGC 10, sold via private sale with golden auctions for 1.7 million. So I think, you know, I think we need to unpack this in a couple of different ways. I think the first thing is, what do you think about this? Just as a general sale, like how do you feel about this?
00:21:51.24
youcantcompthis
Is it high? Is it low? is it
00:21:52.66
Adz
I think it's low. I... Yeah, I think it's worth more.
00:21:59.61
Adz
I really like i really think it's worth with more.
00:22:02.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:22:05.06
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:07.82
youcantcompthis
I definitely agree on that too. And I think, you know, we sort of live in this world at the moment where we talk about one of ones and we talk about, you know, logoman and patch cards and all this type of stuff.
00:22:18.75
Adz
Mmm.
00:22:19.81
youcantcompthis
But then when something like this comes up, which is quite possibly, you know, a once in a lifetime type thing.
00:22:26.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:28.16
youcantcompthis
There was a part in my head where I thought this was going to be higher. Actually, we probably should rewind back to last week and remember what prices we were speculating on this. I actually get the feeling this is higher than what we were speculating.
00:22:37.36
Adz
Ooh.
00:22:42.19
Adz
Yeah, I think that is a million dollar card.
00:22:46.80
Adz
I think, ah I don't know. Now I've got homework, I'm gonna listen to the episode.
00:22:52.44
youcantcompthis
it'll be in the in the text reader ah transcript.
00:22:53.02
Adz
The transcript.
00:22:55.41
youcantcompthis
that So now is a really good time to slip this in. So this is from at Darren Revell on Twitter, Justin Michael Jordan 1984 star rookie.
00:23:05.87
youcantcompthis
So Again, we did a segment on this a while back. This is the one that more people considered to be the the true rookie card, but not the one that people collected as much, has been sold for more than a million dollars, a new record for any Jordan rookie.
00:23:09.91
Adz
Ah, yes, I- Mhm.
00:23:21.06
youcantcompthis
And I think when we were during pandemic, there was a real push for the Fleer card to be the $1 million dollars rookie card. And I think there was a lot of speculation about that as to when it was going to be a million dollar rookie card.
00:23:34.26
youcantcompthis
And then ironically, the star got there first and not even in a PSA 10. So, you know, that for me is really significant because then you can make the speculation that what's a 10 worth 1.4, 1.5.
00:23:49.47
youcantcompthis
You know, that to me is is quite high.
00:23:50.17
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:51.76
youcantcompthis
So it is the fourth record in the last two weeks for that card in a specific grade. So obviously, you know, this card is really getting a lot of heat behind it.
00:23:57.64
Adz
Hmm.
00:24:01.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah. um So now let's just do a direct comp between those two ads. So we've got the Jordan at a million dollars, and then we've got this one here, the Wilt Chamberlain at 1.7 million. And I think this for me is a really good comparison when you're sort of breaking this down and trying to understand the value of this Wilt card in your head, because I think this is where I i really struggle with the Jordan Fleer card is that there's just so many of them.
00:24:28.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:29.22
youcantcompthis
There's so many of them, so many have been counterfeited. You're just really not too sure in my mind exactly where the pop counts are and, you know, are you getting what you're paid for? Like for me, that card is actually a stay away.
00:24:41.16
youcantcompthis
Whereas when I see something like this, you know, I really do see that I can justify and I can understand how people can get up to that number, you know, in a really, you know, quick way.
00:24:53.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:54.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So that's where I'm sort of sitting with all this. Like I think this is just a really,
00:25:00.45
youcantcompthis
I'm really curious to know who who got this card. I've kind of got the feeling it's going to be like we've seen some, you know, really huge collections of some guys and they've got, you know, they've got the Mickey mounts or autographs in there.
00:25:13.04
youcantcompthis
And I wonder if it's that type of guy who's just got, you know, that insane sort of old school collection and they had to have this Wilt Chamberlain card.
00:25:13.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:24.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I really hope that does come out and we get to sort of see it go into someone's collection. So.
00:25:30.49
Adz
Yeah, that'd be cool.
00:25:30.70
youcantcompthis
Um, what would you rather have? Would you rather have this wield or say two of the Jordan star cars at PSA nine?
00:25:45.67
Adz
It's a tough one, isn't it? For me,
00:25:47.49
youcantcompthis
Kind of a fun question. Yeah.
00:25:53.06
youcantcompthis
Actually, let me rephrase that too. This will it will be even more fun. So let's say that we were going to be doing a trade and one of us was either going to take the wilt at 1.7 million or the two Jordans.
00:25:59.57
Adz
ye
00:26:06.09
youcantcompthis
So you're actually getting more value from the two Jordans, but the wilt is infinitely more rare. What would you take?
00:26:20.64
Adz
I'd probably take what ah what what my head's telling me I would do versus what I think is the right decision.
00:26:27.27
youcantcompthis
Oh, tell us, tell us both. That will be kind of funny, actually.
00:26:30.54
Adz
So what my what what i what i what my head is telling me is the right move is to take the will.
00:26:35.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:26:36.65
Adz
What what my my entrepreneurial brain is telling me is to take the two Jordans.
00:26:42.24
youcantcompthis
I think you could flip the two Jordans easier.
00:26:45.15
Adz
I'd keep one of the Jordans, flip one of them, and then turn it into other stuff.
00:26:48.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:26:48.74
Adz
And then, you know what I mean? like
00:26:51.44
youcantcompthis
And particularly if we think that Jordan's on an upward trajectory, but I think for me, it's the wilt because then no one can throw comps in your face, right?
00:26:51.51
Adz
But, oh!
00:26:57.23
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:03.61
youcantcompthis
And I think in my head too, this is literally, yeah.
00:27:04.38
Adz
You can't comp it when it's the only one, right? Yeah.
00:27:08.58
youcantcompthis
And you couldn't imagine another one's going to surface after all this time.
00:27:14.34
youcantcompthis
I mean, maybe this will spur people to get out the road, 61, 62 cards and have a look through it, but yeah.
00:27:18.65
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:22.27
youcantcompthis
Anyway, look, I think this is a really important story for the basketball card community. We probably should have started off with this story straight off the bat, but at the same time, we had a bit of other stuff to sort of chew through.
00:27:32.97
youcantcompthis
But yeah, look, I think this is a really cool story. I think congratulations really to both people, the person who dug it out and find it and the person who, you know, purchased it. So again, the hobby is dead.
00:27:43.96
youcantcompthis
and Isn't it? You know, we're just seeing here the slow death of the hobby, obviously.
00:27:45.29
Adz
That's yeah.
00:27:47.89
youcantcompthis
And, um, you know, here we go.
00:27:50.96
Adz
Well, that's it. No one's spending any money. It's it's such a suchs a tough.
00:27:55.39
youcantcompthis
That's all right.
00:27:56.43
Adz
Everything's just dropping in price.
00:27:59.61
youcantcompthis
At Basketball Forever, Instagram, 50 days until the 24-25 NBA season starts and that can't come quick enough. So that was five days ago.
00:28:10.20
youcantcompthis
So let's call it 45 days.
00:28:13.03
Adz
Yikes!
00:28:14.26
youcantcompthis
So really, it's about 20 because by the time they do a little bit of preseason and
00:28:19.93
Adz
Mmm.
00:28:21.10
youcantcompthis
all the rest of it. This is going to be awesome. I feel like, frankly, it's just around the corner. um I'm so in for this.
00:28:29.71
Adz
You're excited.
00:28:29.81
youcantcompthis
I can't wait. Yeah, it's going to be great.
00:28:31.18
Adz
You're excited.
00:28:31.54
youcantcompthis
It's going to be good. Yeah.
00:28:34.00
Adz
That is, it's it's gonna be, it is gonna be a lot of fun.
00:28:36.93
youcantcompthis
Lots of comeback stories. I think the nickel yo kick comeback story is going to be good. I think Giannis is going to have a bit of chip on his shoulder. Dame Lillard's been working out.
00:28:42.97
Adz
The Revenge Tour. This is it, 24, 25, The Revenge Tour.
00:28:47.77
youcantcompthis
The Celtics are going to be salty all year about, you know, what Steve Kerr did to them at the, yeah.
00:28:52.29
Adz
Salty, Celtics, yum.
00:28:54.49
youcantcompthis
There's already like a Steph Curry Lakers, you know, crazy internet rumor out there, but you know, that doesn't stop me from talking about it.
00:28:58.23
Adz
Narrative.
00:29:01.64
Adz
Did we come? Yep, yep, the internet is gonna get rolling.
00:29:07.05
youcantcompthis
It's undefeated. Yeah.
00:29:09.01
Adz
The internet internet is undefeated, just like Father Time.
00:29:14.34
Adz
Did you actually, on a side note with the season starting, NBA 2K has been released, and the new one, 2K25.
00:29:21.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:29:22.48
Adz
And I saw a thing and I don't know if it's actually true because of the internet.
00:29:25.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:29:25.85
Adz
um Apparently LeBron's doing a, yeah if you go through my career mode, LeBron's doing a farewell tour.
00:29:34.02
youcantcompthis
Really?
00:29:34.19
Adz
Because he's not playing past this season.
00:29:37.12
youcantcompthis
Hmm.
00:29:39.76
youcantcompthis
That's an interesting little.
00:29:39.80
Adz
They've built in LeBron's retirement. I don't know, I saw a thing with the jersey spot with Steph Curry.
00:29:44.72
youcantcompthis
Okay.
00:29:45.61
Adz
Anyway.
00:29:46.91
youcantcompthis
I mean, how many more years can the guy play?
00:29:52.14
Adz
Yeah, that's a good question.
00:29:53.32
youcantcompthis
Like, it's freakish.
00:29:53.56
Adz
He sold it, it's a two-year contract, so he's got two more seasons on the books.
00:29:57.33
youcantcompthis
It's freakish what he's doing, honestly.
00:30:00.55
Adz
But he hasn't slowed down yet.
00:30:02.74
youcantcompthis
I mean, he kind of has.
00:30:03.67
Adz
He's gotta have a a decline season.
00:30:06.56
youcantcompthis
I think if you watch footage from him from 10 years ago, you're like, oh yeah, actually, that's how it used to get around, you know.
00:30:12.36
Adz
Yeah, okay, yeah.
00:30:13.22
youcantcompthis
He's a, he can still move, but he's a lot slower, like, you know.
00:30:19.12
Adz
Yeah, but there are a lot of players, i the thing is, I suppose that's all all relative, because he's, in my eyes, he's still one of the top 20 players in the league. That's what I mean by not slowing down.
00:30:31.70
youcantcompthis
Sure. Ah, okay. Sure, sure, sure.
00:30:33.80
Adz
So he's still like right up there, whereas Jordan had this sort of drop in the twilight.
00:30:34.41
youcantcompthis
Yep.
00:30:43.14
youcantcompthis
I don't know this off the top of my head, but what was his, um, PR when he played for the Wizards, like, and what was it in terms of league ranking? Cause I actually thought he was still like top 20 or something like that in scoring.
00:30:51.75
Adz
Oh.
00:30:57.51
Adz
Uh, Michael.
00:31:02.38
Adz
Know what Google says if you start looking Michael, gambling conspiracy. That's the first autofill. Anyway.
00:31:07.60
youcantcompthis
That's because it's um probably listening to our conversations. and
00:31:10.89
Adz
Quite possible.
00:31:12.06
youcantcompthis
yeah
00:31:13.47
Adz
Uh, stats.
00:31:20.82
Adz
Okay, 0-2-0-3 was 20 points per game.
00:31:26.23
Adz
22, like it was a bit bit of a drop off. So, all right, think about it. 1998, when he won his the set the sixth title, right? He was playing 39 minutes, almost 39 minutes per game, played all 82 at 28.7 points per game, shooting 46% from the field.
00:31:44.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:31:46.80
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:31:48.47
Adz
So 2001, 2002 for the Wizards, 60 games, playing 35 minutes per game and averaging 22, 22.9.
00:31:52.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:31:57.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:31:59.06
Adz
And then he averaged 20 in his last season.
00:32:03.45
youcantcompthis
So this is just a a one sentence summary. This is from Stat Muse. Jordan averaged 21.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.4 assists in 142 games for the Wizards.
00:32:14.73
Adz
Yes.
00:32:15.57
youcantcompthis
I would say that's not that far away from LeBron, is it?
00:32:21.10
Adz
Ooh, LeBron James stats.
00:32:28.46
youcantcompthis
So if you looked at last say two years of LeBron stats,
00:32:33.64
Adz
His last two years of LeBron stats, he's played 126 games, averaging at about 27 points per game though.
00:32:39.12
youcantcompthis
Okay.
00:32:42.07
youcantcompthis
Oh, really? or Okay.
00:32:43.11
Adz
Shooting 40% from three in his last 70.
00:32:46.06
youcantcompthis
How many rebounds?
00:32:48.48
Adz
Seven, yeah. he's
00:32:50.84
youcantcompthis
So LeBron's got six more points, one more rebound.
00:32:50.91
Adz
So last season, last season, last season was 25.7 at 54%.
00:32:54.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:32:57.13
youcantcompthis
ah Okay. So, so four points more per game.
00:32:58.51
Adz
So 14% higher than Jordan. Yep.
00:33:02.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And then you said one more rebound.
00:33:04.29
Adz
At a higher clip at 7.3 rebounds and eight assists and 1.3 steals.
00:33:05.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:33:08.47
youcantcompthis
So another,
00:33:11.48
youcantcompthis
Okay. Oh well.
00:33:14.47
Adz
I know um the drop off is still a way off like to get down to 20 points per game.
00:33:14.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So it's tough.
00:33:19.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:33:22.21
Adz
And he's, yep.
00:33:22.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:33:24.33
Adz
Yep. He also won a gold medal this year. Anyone hear about that?
00:33:28.54
youcantcompthis
I don't remember that actually. No.
00:33:29.79
Adz
Oh.
00:33:32.80
youcantcompthis
Let's, uh, let's go to a break my friend and then we'll be right back.
00:33:38.79
youcantcompthis
you
00:33:42.67
youcantcompthis
All righty, we are back. We are back.
00:33:45.55
Adz
We're back. We're refreshed.
00:33:46.65
youcantcompthis
Adam, are you feeling refreshed? What have you got in your tasty beverage tonight?
00:33:50.98
Adz
I have water and I have some some Pepsi, Pepsi Max.
00:33:55.44
youcantcompthis
Water and Pepsi in the same cup.
00:33:57.82
Adz
No, I have water in the the my water bottle and then I have a can of Pepsi.
00:34:01.08
youcantcompthis
Okay. All right. So say that's a weird mixer.
00:34:06.95
Adz
Yes.
00:34:07.73
youcantcompthis
That's horrible.
00:34:09.30
Adz
that's That sounds like, yeah, I'm not watering down my Pepsi, my Pepsi Max.
00:34:14.32
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, our third and final advertisement for today is from US Sports Cards Australia.
00:34:15.34
Adz
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00:34:21.46
youcantcompthis
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00:34:36.69
youcantcompthis
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00:35:08.05
youcantcompthis
engage with breakers. So if you are a breaker and you've got a huge box of cards there, you just post them all into Ross. He will put them all up onto the website and then just give you basically money for a box of cards and sitting there doing nothing. So definitely reach out to Ross via the website or on Facebook to RossTorton. You can hook up with Ross on that. So yeah, thank you US Sports Cards Australia for your essentially a 12 month pledge.
00:35:33.98
youcantcompthis
So they've put in a huge amount of support for us. So Adam, yeah, thank you so much, boys.
00:35:39.24
Adz
Massive support.
00:35:41.60
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, so we kind of touched on this a little bit at the start of the show. And I actually thought I did this on last week's show, but we didn't. So this is a upper deck 2004 complete set review.
00:35:54.24
youcantcompthis
I actually had a really good time doing this. So I'm going to do this a few more in the future. So kind of hope you guys like these because if you don't you're probably going to be bored. It's just a really good way to actually show cards and get them out there. so I've been trying to work this out for a little while. I've tried using like cameras and then turning the pages over, but it just doesn't work. But taking a picture and then making a video out of that is just absolutely perfect. So look again, I don't remember this being, you know, an expensive set that I purchased. I ah bought it all after it had been ripped in and I think maybe I paid $50 or $100 for it. You know, it wasn't and wasn't insane.
00:36:34.19
youcantcompthis
ah look I like this i I like the photography I think the photography is okay I think actually these days I do a bit better job in terms of actually the quality of the card I don't think it's as good as Excalibur and for maybe a modern-day comparison I'd say maybe it's like a little bit worse than Don Ross or maybe Chronicles it's probably more of the power of a Chronicles I put a highlight in there of the Kobe Bryant one I like
00:36:57.14
Adz
Mmm I just saw that
00:36:59.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I like the Shaq photo. I thought that was, you know, that was pretty good. But I'd probably say, you know, not the downfall of this product, but maybe something for me where it's a little bit. I don't think you would collect this if you want to set collecting.
00:37:13.00
youcantcompthis
So I don't think there's anything particularly, you know, overly valuable that, you know, you're chasing out of this and.
00:37:17.95
Adz
Or exciting, yeah.
00:37:19.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I was sort of talking to someone about this the other day. I'm like, maybe actually that was the downfall of upper deck in that they couldn't work out what Panini have done in terms of making the thousand different parallels that make people sort of chase and hunt all the different sets and stuff.
00:37:33.54
youcantcompthis
And also the numbered cards, because I think that's the big thing to me that stands out when you sort of go back in time and you look at this stuff, like there isn't that sort of the numbered or the, you know, the chase cards in there sort of per se.
00:37:35.64
Adz
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
00:37:45.75
youcantcompthis
So, you know, I'm a bit,
00:37:49.60
Adz
Hmm.
00:37:50.12
youcantcompthis
I'm a bit in two minds on that. On one hand, I'm kind of like, well, actually, maybe that's a good thing that they do and have all these different parallels, but at the same time, I think it does does add that collectability and value for for people.
00:38:01.03
Adz
ah
00:38:04.49
youcantcompthis
Sorry, I'll cut you off then, mate.
00:38:05.89
Adz
No, no, no, no, I agree. It's, um, it's different though. Like, I guess upper deck had there. That's why insert sets, I think we're different. Is that?
00:38:18.13
Adz
because because they they seem to focus on the insert sets, whereas the inserts I think get lost these days amongst the parallels.
00:38:25.42
youcantcompthis
Well, there's so many inserts and yeah.
00:38:25.98
Adz
Whereas was with with the upper, yeah, but the upper deck days, it was it was only the inserts. Do you know what I mean? Like there weren't parallels to the bass. There was a bass set and then it was the insert sets.
00:38:36.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:38:37.84
Adz
It was just distributed differently, I guess.
00:38:41.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Which has almost flipped around entirely these days, hasn't it?
00:38:43.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:44.44
youcantcompthis
Like if you get a base card, you sort of just, you don't really that fussed about it, are you?
00:38:48.71
Adz
Mm, not at all.
00:38:48.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, so this is from poorly T cards. This was called it. This was my very first pack of cards. I remember opening and I think, yeah, that is a fun thing to sort of go back and look at this, isn't it?
00:38:58.20
Adz
That's cool.
00:39:01.48
youcantcompthis
You know, I was, I was a hoops guy growing up.
00:39:03.57
Adz
Mm.
00:39:03.86
youcantcompthis
I'd never really delved into upper deck. Like I could get two packets of hoops, one pack of upper deck. You know what I mean? So that equation.
00:39:12.61
Adz
First box I ever got was up was Hoops, but the first packs I ever bought were Upper Deck.
00:39:15.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:39:18.42
Adz
And that was in, yeah, like 92, 93 Upper Deck was my set.
00:39:18.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:39:21.85
youcantcompthis
The holograph was, um, or the hologram was pretty cool. Wasn't it? that I remember that when I was a kid, I was like, yeah, that's like, yeah, that's right.
00:39:25.46
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. We're all about holograms at that point, yeah.
00:39:30.91
youcantcompthis
It was very official. If it had a hologram, wasn't it?
00:39:33.36
Adz
Yep.
00:39:34.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:39:34.96
Adz
And the sleeves had holograms.
00:39:38.51
youcantcompthis
I think they still do actually, man.
00:39:40.11
Adz
Ultra Pro, like the the original um card shield ones, like that the he there the penny sleeves didn't have anything on them.
00:39:41.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:39:44.01
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:39:47.01
youcantcompthis
No.
00:39:47.06
Adz
But if you bought the ones that had the low, the eye ah the ah holograms, yeah, that was that was some business card protection.
00:39:49.55
youcantcompthis
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:39:55.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:40:01.18
youcantcompthis
All righty. Our weekly WNBA update. Caitlin Clark, 2024 Iowa Hawkeyes gold one of one. So that's a college uniform. Actually, adam I'm going to make you guess the price on this. What do you think that's sold for? One of one PSA 10 college uniform. Caitlin Clark, go.
00:40:26.95
Adz
um It's notable. I'm not going to click the link yet.
00:40:32.75
youcantcompthis
Yep.
00:40:33.58
Adz
I was going to say something like 50K. Now I'll say 20, 20K.
00:40:41.49
youcantcompthis
Actually, they were both pretty good guesses and you pretty much went down the middle. So it was 40,000 and sold for $40,260. Look, I think I actually think Yeah.
00:40:50.31
Adz
Oh.
00:40:54.29
Adz
That's a lot, that's ah it's a lot for Caitlin Clark, yeah.
00:40:59.33
youcantcompthis
I get it. I get what's happening at the moment with her, you know, I understand the hype that's around it.
00:41:01.25
Adz
What is a one of one?
00:41:04.55
youcantcompthis
And I, I actually, I'm going to tie this back to Prism Draft. I think this is the classic Prism Draft card where it's awesome at the time, but then you just sort of see the value decline down. I think particularly as her pro stuff comes out, you know, this is going to be a little bit problematic, but at the same time, you know, like, obviously there's a lot of hype behind this young lady and this, this, this collector wanted it.
00:41:24.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And that's a PSA 10. Like I get all that type of stuff. so ah caitlyn
00:41:28.84
Adz
got the rookie It's got the rookie shield on it.
00:41:31.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:41:32.59
Adz
It's a one-on-one. There's some value there, surely.
00:41:34.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah. But ah yeah, I think anyway, look, I personally think that's going to be tricky, particularly when the autos come out and, you know, like the black nebula comes out for Caitlin Clark.
00:41:46.62
youcantcompthis
You know what I mean? Like that's the, yeah.
00:41:48.05
Adz
Of course, of course, of course. Maybe that's a $50,000 card. Maybe there's a $60,000 card.
00:41:51.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:41:53.55
youcantcompthis
19 points three three pointers per game made uh on on 8.8 attempts so she's shooting 34.9. Did you see that stat that came up from her with the different distances that and NBA players are shooting from?
00:42:10.32
youcantcompthis
So she actually shoots one foot back further than Steph Curry does on average.
00:42:11.09
Adz
No.
00:42:15.86
youcantcompthis
Like she shoots absolute bombs this young lady.
00:42:18.61
Adz
Wow.
00:42:19.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah 90% from the free throw line, 5.8 rebounds, 8.4 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.8 blocks.
00:42:21.72
Adz
That surprises me.
00:42:26.24
Adz
Yep.
00:42:28.56
youcantcompthis
Actually I didn't realize she was blocking so much.
00:42:31.51
Adz
Hmm.
00:42:32.01
youcantcompthis
So yeah, she's just been absolutely on fire this year. There's a couple of different stats also floating in the room around the moment for her with her PER. Some have got her second in the league and some have got a third in the league. I think it sort of depends on the catchment of time, which I don't have in front of me.
00:42:46.01
youcantcompthis
But look, she's absolutely, yeah, she has to be rookie of the year.
00:42:47.97
Adz
tearing it up.
00:42:50.69
youcantcompthis
and In my mind, there has to be some MVP talk for her too. Looks like the fever will be going to the playoffs this year. So it's, yeah.
00:42:57.06
Adz
Imagine that. There's no one that's done that in history, surely.
00:43:01.58
youcantcompthis
Even if you don't like Caitlyn Clark and you don't like WNBA, just watch the highlights of her. Like they're actually really exciting.
00:43:07.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:07.66
youcantcompthis
The way that she plays is just like super cool.
00:43:10.76
Adz
as Imagine that, win the MVP and rookie, well, clearly you win Rookie of the Year if you win the and MVP.
00:43:11.31
youcantcompthis
So, yeah.
00:43:19.15
youcantcompthis
I don't know.
00:43:20.85
Adz
Can you imagine not winning rookie of the year and winning the MVP?
00:43:23.58
youcantcompthis
We're kind of funny.
00:43:25.21
Adz
You'd be the league's most valuable player, but you're not the rookie of the year.
00:43:28.52
youcantcompthis
I mean, they've been giving this girl a lot of hate. I actually, if it ever does happen, I feel like this would be the scenario that it was going to play out.
00:43:35.94
Adz
That's crazy.
00:43:39.78
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, this next one is from Instagram. R-S-T-U underscore cards. No idea who this guy is. 2023 Obsidian. Steph Curry.
00:43:50.93
youcantcompthis
Electric X. Contra first off the line.
00:43:54.12
Adz
Mmm.
00:43:54.59
youcantcompthis
Just number to three on this. PSA 10. The only copy graded thus far. So look at that absolutely beautiful card there.
00:44:02.98
Adz
That is a delicious looking card.
00:44:05.50
youcantcompthis
That is delicious. If you scroll through this young man's Instagram, you'll find a whole bunch of other.
00:44:11.26
Adz
It's got another step, different one from 2022.
00:44:14.04
youcantcompthis
Yep.
00:44:15.08
Adz
three
00:44:15.44
youcantcompthis
LeBron. He's got Chet through there. He's got Luca. So definitely check out this guy's Instagram. RSTU underscore cards.
00:44:25.41
youcantcompthis
From Brooklyn, New York, this guy's from. So yeah, awesome, awesome stuff there.
00:44:31.71
youcantcompthis
um Yeah, so It's really funny this set, isn't it? Because I haven't spent obviously as much time as RSTU has been looking at these, but I probably spent more time looking at them than I'd probably anticipate to do.
00:44:44.22
Adz
Mmm.
00:44:48.70
Adz
Mmm.
00:44:48.91
youcantcompthis
But just number two, three, first off the line, you know, it's not something that you see floating around very much. So I think this is like a good one to actually have a bit of a chat about because it's just not around.
00:45:00.81
Adz
and
00:45:01.83
youcantcompthis
But is this collectible to you ad? Like where are you at with this stuff?
00:45:04.76
Adz
It's... I'm struggling to see the... Like it doesn't pop well enough for me.
00:45:11.01
youcantcompthis
Okay.
00:45:12.29
Adz
Like it... I don't know. I feel like it's it's trying to do something and it's not quite done it.
00:45:22.05
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:45:22.82
Adz
That's my summary on the title on the card. Maybe it's the way they scan, who knows? But I don't, I just, yeah. Nothing electric about the way they look to me.
00:45:36.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah, interesting.
00:45:38.25
Adz
You know what I mean? Like it says electric etch contra.
00:45:40.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I mean, looking at the different designs, I actually probably prefer the 2019 say over the 2023.
00:45:46.41
Adz
Which one's that?
00:45:49.50
youcantcompthis
Because so so if you look at the Steph Curry one in the background, just kind of looks a little bit busy.
00:45:49.96
Adz
Is that the Luca? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that looks cool.
00:45:56.82
youcantcompthis
And even though there's still a fair bit going on in the in the 19 or even the
00:46:01.03
Adz
i like I like the 19.
00:46:02.10
youcantcompthis
the 2020.
00:46:02.23
Adz
I like the...
00:46:02.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think that just like looks pretty cool.
00:46:04.01
Adz
Maybe it's like the straight lines.
00:46:06.06
youcantcompthis
But I think like where I'm going with this too, is it's almost like it's so low number just to three. Like if I hadn't seen this Instagram page, I wouldn't even know these cards exist. So I'm not the type of guy that sits there reading through checklists.
00:46:17.46
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:19.11
youcantcompthis
Oh, this card's number to three. I'm gonna go up and you know, Google that or go into eBay. So I think yeah, like this is one like thing that's really good about
00:46:27.44
Adz
Just a bit different, yeah.
00:46:28.97
youcantcompthis
Let's just not say our podcast, but other podcasts that talk about cards or other Instagrams that will highlight cards.
00:46:34.09
Adz
oh Yeah.
00:46:34.42
youcantcompthis
I think that's why I like Adam Gray's Instagram so much because he just talks about these cards that I've never heard of these cards, you know, and then gives you like a bit of a history that goes along with it.
00:46:45.33
youcantcompthis
So I put this into the same category, but obviously and this is quite specific, isn't it? But yeah.
00:46:50.81
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:53.04
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we're just going to go through a whole bunch of stuff now. Actually, let's take a break. Let's have our final break and then we'll come back and we'll talk some... Victor Wembanyana Nebula One of One. We'll be right back.
00:47:10.97
youcantcompthis
I don't think I've got anything to confess, to be honest, mate. There's nothing more for me to, um, to mock up. Is there at this point in time?
00:47:21.20
youcantcompthis
Uh, you're on mute, mate.
00:47:25.95
Adz
Aha!
00:47:26.24
youcantcompthis
Ha ha. What were you saying?
00:47:28.13
Adz
Yep, I've been talking the whole time, no I haven't.
00:47:34.72
youcantcompthis
All righty. We are back. Adam, how is your Pepsi mixed with water? How's that going?
00:47:41.07
Adz
I'm just, I'm taking it one bit of water at a time.
00:47:46.50
Adz
Might get stuck into the Pepsi later on.
00:47:48.22
youcantcompthis
Okay.
00:47:49.75
Adz
Really stuck into it.
00:47:51.37
youcantcompthis
Not too late at night for you to be having caffeine.
00:47:53.93
Adz
Maybe I'll have something a bit stronger with the caffeine.
00:48:00.66
Adz
Might help me sleep. Who knows?
00:48:03.09
youcantcompthis
Late night breaks. All right. All right. This is from Steph, it's not Quinn. It looks like, let's call it Q-win. Steph, Q-W-I-N-N. that's ah That's a really weird Instagram handle, but that's okay. You can be as weird as you want when it comes to your handle name, can't you?
00:48:25.71
Adz
True.
00:48:27.88
youcantcompthis
Yesterday during all the buzz around tops Chrome pulls this mosaic when be nebula one-on-one was hit by a Chinese breaker How much do you believe this card is worth now?
00:48:39.25
youcantcompthis
This is the debut card. Yes, it does have a rookie label on it But it's technically an insert set as opposed to the I'm using my air quotes here the true rookie card out of mosaic But still it is a nebula which look absolutely amazing.
00:48:55.39
Adz
I like the card a lot.
00:48:56.41
youcantcompthis
I Great picture. The design is good. You can see the uniform name on it.
00:49:06.16
Adz
Oh, that's handy.
00:49:09.82
Adz
Imagine this was the top Chrome one, you just wouldn't see spurs that'd be white with the number one.
00:49:13.00
youcantcompthis
If it was a tops chrome card, he'd be dribbling the opposite way down the court. You just see like a picture of the back of his head.
00:49:20.84
Adz
It's true, it's true.
00:49:21.92
youcantcompthis
And he wouldn't be dribbling a ball. He'd just be like running back on D. That's like that's what it would be.
00:49:26.56
Adz
Yep. Yep. No, I like this card. I like this card a lot. And but not because it's not top screen.
00:49:35.33
youcantcompthis
All right, so the two other big boy comps we've had today is the Wilt and 1.7 million. We've had the Jord on it.
00:49:43.36
Adz
A million.
00:49:43.45
youcantcompthis
Let's call it a cool million. Where are you at with this one?
00:49:52.91
Adz
The other Wembley's have not comped that high. The highest one's been half a mil, hasn't it?
00:49:56.90
youcantcompthis
Definitely not. So the Anthony Edwards black one of one mosaic. We talked about this last week.
00:50:05.15
Adz
Mmm.
00:50:05.82
youcantcompthis
Obviously he's not rookie.
00:50:06.84
Adz
That was 3K ran, wasn't it?
00:50:08.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:50:08.99
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:09.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:50:09.92
Adz
There was a bit, we went through the Wembley's was not this, not last week, but yeah, it was a little back.
00:50:10.35
youcantcompthis
So that was a couple of weeks back. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:15.40
Adz
But the the highest one was like half a mil and that was one of the, one of ones, right? The black shimmer.
00:50:21.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:50:23.17
Adz
So maybe this is a, I'd say 150.
00:50:24.47
youcantcompthis
All righty. So All right, so actually, you're just talking about that. So I just found that card that you're talking about. This is the Black Mosaic, and that's the the true rookie again in air quotes.
00:50:35.60
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:36.54
youcantcompthis
Eric Whiteback predicted these cards are around $35,000. And that actually makes sense.
00:50:41.73
Adz
Wow.
00:50:42.96
youcantcompthis
Because if the Edwards, right, is about say three, you know, you go okay, fine 10x for a rookie.
00:50:48.62
Adz
Non rookie.
00:50:49.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right. Non rookie. That's what I'm saying. So you've sort of got about 10x to go from that.
00:50:51.81
Adz
Oh, okay. Oh, all right.
00:50:54.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:50:55.32
Adz
All right.
00:50:55.45
youcantcompthis
So then I think if, if they're saying this is 35, then the debut would be a bit less around. Generally in my head, those cards are half the price.
00:51:05.45
Adz
Okay.
00:51:06.23
youcantcompthis
So I'd say maybe 18, 20, something like that.
00:51:11.41
Adz
interesting Interesting.
00:51:12.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's my, all right, what do you got?
00:51:14.79
Adz
I had like 150.
00:51:17.30
youcantcompthis
150K?
00:51:18.34
Adz
To one-on-one. Oh wait, we're up to 31 of ones, aren't we now? How many one-of-ones are there being of Wembley?
00:51:24.65
youcantcompthis
Alright, I feel like this is um this is our first major point of difference on today's show. all Alrighty, guys, um if you are listening at home, please, we'll put a post up about this.
00:51:38.95
youcantcompthis
What do you think the value of this card is? I think we should, we'll do an average to see who's um closer to the to the point.
00:51:43.96
Adz
Okay.
00:51:46.01
youcantcompthis
So what did you say?
00:51:47.28
Adz
I said 100 to 150.
00:51:47.48
youcantcompthis
A hundred.
00:51:52.64
Adz
What?
00:51:54.06
youcantcompthis
oh
00:51:56.02
Adz
You can't comp ah a non rookie card and say a $3,000 rookie card, the basis for comparison.
00:52:02.31
youcantcompthis
No, I used two cards. I used the...
00:52:04.61
Adz
And then said the 10X rule.
00:52:06.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I said 10x that, and then this one here they're saying is about 35k. This is the black wenby one of one.
00:52:15.10
Adz
black Wait a second, I'll go back to your wimpy ones.
00:52:19.75
youcantcompthis
I'll text it to you here. I'm putting it into the zencaster chat.
00:52:22.10
Adz
Oh, I was gonna go to the old... I was gonna go to the old... um Estimate.
00:52:28.59
youcantcompthis
No, I'll save you some clicks, man.
00:52:31.81
Adz
All right, what about the ones that were actually sold? Wimpy Mania, top five most expensive. i've got ah I've got ya, there we go.
00:52:41.58
youcantcompthis
All right. Hit me.
00:52:41.95
Adz
So the green, the green photo, green shimmer photo was 113K.
00:52:42.14
youcantcompthis
Go.
00:52:45.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Okay.
00:52:49.64
Adz
The number to five was 68K from Prism.
00:52:52.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:52:54.70
Adz
The gold, which one?
00:52:55.23
youcantcompthis
Hang on. How much is the prison?
00:53:00.70
Adz
The green shimmer photo went for 113.
00:53:02.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:53:06.06
youcantcompthis
And then the one after that, what did you say?
00:53:07.51
Adz
Was the gold,
00:53:09.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:53:09.93
Adz
went for 150 and the black black shimmer one of one photo prism went for 500K.
00:53:11.60
youcantcompthis
150. Yeah, right.
00:53:19.47
youcantcompthis
Wow.
00:53:23.23
Adz
And the auto went for, the the the the um college auto went for 67. So the black gold went for 68.
00:53:38.49
youcantcompthis
it's It's kind of funny cause I was like, we were so far apart, i so I thought that was quite funny. And now I'm actually kind of having a chuckle about, like this actually sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Like the numbers we're throwing up here.
00:53:49.65
Adz
But it's also, um I could be way off the off the mark because these are prism prices, right?
00:53:54.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think mosaic you have to factor that in and then also you do have to factor in that's like an insert card. Like there is a bit of like mechanics going on here, but at the same time it's.
00:54:02.99
Adz
Find 75K then.
00:54:07.07
Adz
50% for the mosaic factor.
00:54:08.44
youcantcompthis
ah this is That's good. I think it's we don't disagree enough. I'm actually happy we're actually disagreeing to be perfectly honest with you.
00:54:13.33
Adz
Yeah. You're the one that titled the article last week as Wembley Mania.
00:54:19.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah. We haven't, I actually don't think we've spoken enough on Wembley, man.
00:54:21.82
Adz
I'm, ah. but
00:54:24.11
youcantcompthis
I'm glad we were like, we did a segment on Wembley. I enjoyed that.
00:54:28.82
Adz
We're gonna do a follow up on Moonbend Yarn and see how he's going. In 45 days we'll see, we'll see what he's like.
00:54:31.94
youcantcompthis
Nah. Now that's enough. I think we just do it as it comes up, but yeah, we've done it.
00:54:36.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:37.24
youcantcompthis
We've done a bit of wimpy. All right, so this next one, we probably should have put this in early into the show. This is from Card Ladder, 1984 star Michael Jordan. This sold for $54,000.
00:54:47.63
youcantcompthis
So it probably just gives you maybe a
00:54:49.76
Adz
In a PS7, oh okay.
00:54:51.48
youcantcompthis
Yes, that's PSA sevens, but it just gives you a bit of an idea of, you know, where this card is trending to. I think looking at the trends are here too. So this is going back to early 2023.
00:54:59.85
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:55:01.81
youcantcompthis
It was trading around the 30K mark.
00:55:03.37
Adz
Yep.
00:55:04.90
youcantcompthis
Then it really sort of flattened out for a little bit and there wasn't much movement at all for pretty much 12 months and then it's massively moved up in 2024.
00:55:10.21
Adz
Yep.
00:55:13.03
youcantcompthis
So it's basically gone from about $20,000 at the start of 2024 all the way up to 50K.
00:55:14.37
Adz
Mm.
00:55:19.16
youcantcompthis
So, you know, I think um maybe this is actually a good time for us to go back and have that conversation again about, you know, that sort of conversation piece we had about, you know, which is the, you know, the true rookie and, you know, which is the one that we want because
00:55:19.97
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:34.75
Adz
Do you think this is, this is stemmed from, I suppose it being, what's the,
00:55:49.29
Adz
What's the word? Not verified, not... um The testimonial that this is a genuine rookie card.
00:56:03.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:56:04.64
Adz
Like there's a recognition here that this is a rookie card. Now that that enters the conversation, is this the rarer one which makes it the more valuable one?
00:56:13.46
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
00:56:14.11
Adz
Because we've had that discussion with the... But is this just really... um
00:56:19.35
youcantcompthis
My two cents would be is that there's a population count. I think that's like the first and foremost.
00:56:24.16
Adz
of course of course yeah yeah
00:56:25.26
youcantcompthis
And I think that. there was a real reservation for people to put large amounts of money into this when other people weren't collecting it. And so I almost feel like now it's just like a rolling stone. Okay. Now people are starting to collect it. Okay. Now more people are starting to recognize and collect it. And then like there that goes to price. And then I think it's going to go up higher and probably hold for longer because the population is significantly lower than what the Fleer is. And I feel like and I thought i'm I'm right or wrong or about anything, but I think this probably maybe emphasizes something I've been trying to say about that Flea card.
00:56:59.13
youcantcompthis
There's just so many of them. It's really hard to get your head around like the true value of one of those cards when it literally is being printed, you know, 50,000, 100,000 times.
00:57:01.41
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:09.89
youcantcompthis
Like, you know, you just don't know what, you know, where these are at. So, yeah.
00:57:14.01
Adz
It's an interesting um predicament.
00:57:17.21
youcantcompthis
All right, so for the rest of today's show, which is probably around eight minutes or so, we'll just try and do some quick hitters.
00:57:23.40
Adz
Let's see how many we can get through.
00:57:25.17
youcantcompthis
I've got six in the list. I reckon we can do this ad.
00:57:27.73
Adz
You all right?
00:57:29.17
youcantcompthis
All right, Lonnie Walker.
00:57:29.78
Adz
Sorry, I'm, I'm on, I'm on the run sheet from about three weeks ago now. So hang on.
00:57:33.18
youcantcompthis
You need to come back up to speed, mate.
00:57:33.66
Adz
I'm back. I'm back.
00:57:35.54
youcantcompthis
Lonnie Walker, one year with the Celtics.
00:57:35.77
Adz
I'm back. I'm back.
00:57:41.33
youcantcompthis
Lonnie Walker averaged 9.7 points and shot 38% on 3 pointers in 58 games for Brooklyn last year.
00:57:48.33
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:49.48
youcantcompthis
I love this a lot. The Celtics have to start working the edges with this you know ridiculously insane payroll that they've got. There's probably only one man on earth that is going to be able to pay the payroll.
00:58:02.91
youcantcompthis
of the Boston Celtics for the tax bill they're coming up with is Jeff Bezos.
00:58:07.31
Adz
That's
00:58:07.45
youcantcompthis
Actually, we're not going to get through these six. i've I've already got a segue here. So there was a really good Instagram video I was watching today, which is explaining the salary cap increase.
00:58:19.25
youcantcompthis
So a future max player is going to be earning $100 million dollars in one season because the basically the TV money is going to triple in the next couple of years.
00:58:21.21
Adz
insane.
00:58:29.29
Adz
thats same
00:58:30.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so basically what's going to happen is like the c seller cap is effectively is going to triple triple what they are going to do differently, though they're going to steadily increase it. So I don't know how.
00:58:42.07
youcantcompthis
Because remember the last Celery Cap boom they had, and then Kevin Durant went and joined the Warriors? So they're trying to avoid that scenario from playing out again.
00:58:47.40
Adz
o
00:58:50.98
youcantcompthis
But what I don't understand, and I think all this will come out in good time, is and the reason why they did it last time like that was because they were like, well, the owners are going to pocket all that extra money and the players won't get it.
00:59:02.50
youcantcompthis
So how are they going to stagger the money upwards, but not shortchange the players? I'm not too sure how that works.
00:59:09.40
Adz
Yeah, that's what yeah, okay
00:59:11.60
youcantcompthis
yeah Anyway, Lonnie Walker, if you're holding him, get ready to sell them. That's my that's my two cents on this one.
00:59:20.03
Adz
yep solid move because some nice re-signings yeah yep
00:59:21.17
youcantcompthis
T.J. McConnell rescience with the paces.
00:59:26.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah, one year, sorry, one year, four year, $45 million dollar extension. Look, I think, again, we just talked about the salary cap, how it's all changing. like That seems like a lot of money, but actually that's a very reasonable um yeah contract for a gentleman like this.
00:59:39.04
Adz
yeah it's a reasonable extension yep
00:59:43.10
youcantcompthis
ah How does this affect his hobby value? Look, I think you either like TJ or you don't already, and I don't think this is going to change anything at all. The one thing that I really like now, and this is in the second part of this, the deal takes the total worth of McConnell's contract to $54 million dollars over five years.
01:00:01.59
youcantcompthis
So traditionally we had to almost wait for people's contracts to expire before extending them.
01:00:04.80
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:06.57
youcantcompthis
Now they've sort of built in this um
01:00:09.70
Adz
That makes sense.
01:00:09.97
youcantcompthis
rule into the seller cap, you actually can have people on their contract and you can also renegotiate and extend them. So if they've already got a contract, you can actually change that current contract up and then re extend them.
01:00:21.57
youcantcompthis
So it's almost like what they do in soccer in some ways where you can basically just keep renegotiating and you know changing up.
01:00:22.33
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:28.06
Adz
And extending it. Yeah.
01:00:28.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah. But it also means that they stay with their current team. And I think that's a part they were trying to play there. So that's kind of cool.
01:00:35.23
Adz
The retention factor, yeah, for sure.
01:00:36.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yep. Mack McClung has been signed by the Alain O'Magic.
01:00:39.66
Adz
ah I still prefer the name MacMC Lung.
01:00:41.21
youcantcompthis
So you might know Mack McClung for his slam dunk theatrics, winning some slam dunk competitions.
01:00:50.64
Adz
That's his moonlighting as a DJ.
01:00:53.33
youcantcompthis
Is it? Yeah.
01:00:56.06
Adz
MacMC Lung.
01:00:57.33
youcantcompthis
Maybe we could have him on the radio show.
01:00:59.41
Adz
That's it. You can DJ for us one week.
01:01:01.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that'd be cool.
01:01:02.14
Adz
That's it.
01:01:04.19
youcantcompthis
probably play at least music that I've got no idea what he's playing, but that's okay.
01:01:10.92
youcantcompthis
ah Partially guaranteed deal with the magic. So initially when I read this, I thought it was a two-way contract, but it's actually not. It's ah it's a full it and NBA contract.
01:01:20.66
Adz
proper contract.
01:01:22.23
youcantcompthis
So if you're someone like me who's um holding on to hope that Admiral Scofield is going to get the last roster spot for the Magic. It kind of dashes my hopes a little bit. um What does this mean for people who have got Mack McClung? I actually think this guy is a very, like we're talking low, the lowest end, but I think this guy's a buyer. I think he has all the excitement and the, you know, the the wow factor. The only thing is, you know, how do you comp this guy like long term? It's like Howard Miner.
01:01:54.00
Adz
Yeah. ya
01:01:54.62
youcantcompthis
So go, and so go and comp someone like say Harold Miner before you go and spend, you know, $100 on a, on a Mac, a clone card. But I think there is some, some value to be had there. And I think people will chase his cards because if I remember correctly, he wasn't in every single NBA set.
01:02:04.55
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:10.08
youcantcompthis
He was only in some. So I think that will sort of keep the little bit of value there.
01:02:14.55
Adz
Try and try, try and get some value.
01:02:17.64
youcantcompthis
Um, top sales of the last week already. This is from Instagram. Oh, not this guy. I nearly went, I nearly went through a whole episode of that referencing this guy.
01:02:23.90
Adz
i
01:02:28.40
youcantcompthis
So this is from sports card investor. Most expensive cards this last week. So obviously this is before the million dollar, um, star.
01:02:37.65
Adz
Yes, yes.
01:02:39.56
youcantcompthis
sold. So PSA 8 of the star card sold for $244,000. The 1986 FLIR PSA 10 for $195,000. So that's actually a fantastic comp in itself, isn't it?
01:02:50.41
Adz
That's a good way to comp what's going on with that, yeah.
01:02:51.29
youcantcompthis
Like, let's just, because actually the rest of this is baseball, so we don't need to go through the rest of it. So why don't we just, you know, just talk this through.
01:02:56.80
Adz
Mm hmm.
01:02:58.86
youcantcompthis
um Look, maybe that's actually correct. That's the correct value for a FLIR.
01:03:02.54
Adz
I reckon, it all right yeah, maybe the million dollar mark for say 200 K for the PSA 10. So it's not a future. Do you remember a couple of years ago, we were talking about it was like, was it 700 and something thousand that it sold for?
01:03:15.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
01:03:17.78
Adz
So maybe, maybe someone's chopped together that.
01:03:22.64
youcantcompthis
It's so interesting, isn't it? I feel like with basketball cards, there's a whole lot of stuff that happens in merit happens for a reason or it doesn't. But you' yeah, geez, you'd hate to be in that investment group that paid that ridiculous amount of money.
01:03:36.39
Adz
That's crazy.
01:03:37.01
youcantcompthis
If I remember properly, it was Marky Mark that was in in a bidding war for that card. All right. You'll like this next one, Ed. Kobe Bryant. This is from Card Ladder. Eye Catching Sale. Kobe Bryant 2000 film at the 11 top story. Hope I've said that right. Film at 11. That's really
01:03:57.98
Adz
Film an 11 top story.
01:03:59.78
youcantcompthis
Well, that's probably how you'd say it, isn't it? Thanks, Ed.
01:04:02.07
Adz
Yup.
01:04:03.40
youcantcompthis
say Geez, that was hard to read. 84,000 PSA.
01:04:07.26
Adz
It should have been 81,000, just for Kobe's sake.
01:04:11.89
youcantcompthis
Just inconsiderate, isn't it?
01:04:13.18
Adz
I know.
01:04:14.26
youcantcompthis
PSA 6 population on this is.
01:04:19.57
Adz
Well, it's numbered to 11, isn't it?
01:04:21.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah, let's just say it taps out at 11.
01:04:25.13
Adz
the the population The population count can't be any higher than 11.
01:04:29.28
youcantcompthis
All right. Now, as a Kobe collector, where are you at with this ad?
01:04:33.32
Adz
It's a pretty cool card.
01:04:35.83
youcantcompthis
Because I personally, I think I would put my money somewhere else. So tell me as a.
01:04:43.64
Adz
I don't know. Yeah, I can't see a reason to get this unless it's missing from your collection.
01:04:51.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:04:52.20
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's one of those, what's the story behind the card?
01:04:55.01
youcantcompthis
OK.
01:04:58.82
Adz
And it's the top story clearly in this set, but that's the name of the card.
01:05:02.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:05:05.22
Adz
But it is, it's like, what's ah what's the, what's the story about wanting to acquire it? Yeah.
01:05:12.10
youcantcompthis
I think for me, so I'm just being objective now, I'm just, cause I've got no sort of, you know, emotional attachment to this card. I think obviously it's the player, it's Kobe Bryant and the fact that it's numbered.
01:05:22.30
youcantcompthis
I think that's for me, the two big things.
01:05:24.53
Adz
They're the big, big factors here.
01:05:25.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah. I think, and after that, I think,
01:05:27.93
Adz
It drops off a little bit.
01:05:29.04
youcantcompthis
pictures. Okay, the artworks all right. But yeah, I wonder if it's just like a short printed.
01:05:31.56
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:34.13
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we're gonna we're gonna do this.
01:05:34.73
Adz
True.
01:05:35.98
youcantcompthis
Last one.
01:05:36.01
Adz
We're gonna get through.
01:05:38.10
youcantcompthis
Why did I put this in? Just because I could. I thought this was interesting. Again, this is from our friends at Cardletter 1977 tops Adrian Dainley bass. PSA 10 population is just 4 on this set an all time record at $25,000. If you have a really quick look at the graph here, this is from 2016. It was sold for $5,000 all the way up to $25,000 there. So yeah, that's a really cool one. I think
01:06:10.73
youcantcompthis
I really struggle with vintage just because, you know, in the seventies, I wasn't even been born. So a lot of this stuff is really just over the top of my head. But I actually see the value in that being so such an old card population is so low, the same as the Wilt, right?
01:06:18.81
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:26.41
youcantcompthis
This is the same, it's exact same argument for the Wilt, isn't it?
01:06:27.79
Adz
That's true.
01:06:29.21
youcantcompthis
You know, like, how do they get these cards that old in that pristine condition? And then, you know, the low pop on it, I get it.
01:06:34.15
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's awesome.
01:06:37.97
youcantcompthis
I almost get that more than the Kobe.
01:06:42.75
Adz
Wow, okay.
01:06:44.53
youcantcompthis
Because the Kobe condition is not that great.
01:06:44.57
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:47.13
youcantcompthis
You can almost make the argument the population on these two cards is kind of going to be the same.
01:06:48.30
Adz
Hmm.
01:06:51.90
Adz
Hmm.
01:06:52.53
youcantcompthis
um Yeah, you know, Adrian Daly is not Kobe Bryant. Like, and you know, don't I'm not throwing shade here. That's not what I mean.
01:06:58.29
Adz
No, no, no, no, no.
01:06:58.50
youcantcompthis
But yeah.
01:06:59.57
Adz
I completely pick up what you're putting down.
01:07:00.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:07:02.02
Adz
It's, um.
01:07:02.76
youcantcompthis
But I think also, too, what's the future sale on this?
01:07:04.02
Adz
Hmm.
01:07:05.40
youcantcompthis
Like, is 25 the top? Like, how many people are going to be throwing 50K at this card, you know?
01:07:08.06
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:11.03
Adz
Do you know what i'm gonna what shade I'm gonna throw at this card?
01:07:13.43
youcantcompthis
Throw it.
01:07:14.27
Adz
Of course you know it's a Topps card, because he's not facing the camera and you can't see which uniform he's wearing. Classic Topps move.
01:07:22.78
youcantcompthis
They've been using the same photographer since the seventies and I mean the guy's probably about eighty five years old now leave him alone.
01:07:24.29
Adz
Since the 70s. ah
01:07:29.17
Adz
i did I did give props to Topps for their 70s retro thing in this year's set, so it's nice that they that's the template they used.
01:07:37.79
youcantcompthis
Maybe even back in the seventies they had unlicensed products too because look you actually can't see the jersey on that.
01:07:43.24
Adz
Yeah, exactly. Might be onto something.
01:07:49.35
Adz
We did it.
01:07:49.65
youcantcompthis
Thanks, everyone, for listening. Thank you, Adam, for a very enjoyable evening. Thank you to our friends at Central Coast Radio dot com. If you haven't listened to them, we are on.
01:07:57.59
Adz
Yes.
01:08:01.52
youcantcompthis
ah Thursday's 10 a.m. Tuesday nights at 11 p.m. and Saturday or Sunday morning, very late Saturday night or very early Sunday morning, 3 a.m., we're on our way out.
01:08:12.98
Adz
Something like that. it's Get the hangover started early by listening to us.
01:08:15.52
youcantcompthis
Party party time, that's right. yeah
01:08:17.76
Adz
it's ah It's... Well, you might need help getting back to sleep at that time in the morning. No.
01:08:24.92
youcantcompthis
Yeah. You can't fall asleep listening to our podcast. That's not going to happen.
01:08:28.09
Adz
this This is true. Too much cackling.
01:08:29.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah.
01:08:32.76
Adz
Thanks everybody. we will we We'll see you all next week.
01:08:36.71
youcantcompthis
Bye bye.