Episode 162: Australia Fanatics Victory over US Fanatics, 1/1 Topps Olympics, Mailbag, Wemby Black Label, Trae Young, Nikola Jokic, Topps Disney,

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Episode 162 delivering the business as per usual. Adam and Russell Smash through a bunch of topics this week:

- Topps Disney breaking news
- Statement from Fanatics - From 2025 Topps will now have Disney, Pixar and Marvel           
- Goldin got a 1/1 topps olympics card to shill 
- Aussie fanatics vs US Fanatics
- Mailbag   
- Wemby listeners valuation   and Instagram
- Wemby 1/1 select snake skin black pulsar
- Wemby Black label
- Fanatics Hacked
- trae young progress
- nikola jokic orange /65
- Prizm Deca is here
- Murray extension
- Jamal Murray 1/1 logoman
- Murray Card ladder

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Transcript

00:00:00.61
Adz
Plus Welcome everybody to episode 162, I think it is, after you can't cop this NBA trading card podcast. We are your hosts Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson. Russell, how are you this evening?

00:00:29.52
youcantcompthis
Very, very happy to be here, my friend. And I think more than usual, we have a run sheet that is absolutely chockers. And I don't think we're going to get through it all this week, but let's give it let's give it a red hot go.

00:00:42.68
Adz
Yeah, look, there's a lot, there's a lot there.

00:00:45.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:00:45.47
Adz
wep Yeah, well, that's it. we we can we We'll give it our best. We'll try not to take up two or three hours of the listener's time. We can be probably straight off the bat.

00:00:52.02
youcantcompthis
of banter. Let's just get down to it, right? So do have a little bit of housekeeping though.

00:00:55.29
Adz
Let's let's go.

00:00:57.24
youcantcompthis
So show update and to be honest, I should have done this a fair few episodes ago when we got to 30,000. We're actually up to 31,417 downloads.

00:01:07.40
youcantcompthis
I checked that day before yesterday. So it's ah just a really big thank you to all of our listeners really for that. It's just

00:01:14.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:15.29
youcantcompthis
It's so heartwarming, I think is the right word to say for that. So just thanks everyone, you know, for your support.

00:01:19.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:22.42
youcantcompthis
I think the other thing too, to say thank you for your support is about, we put up a clip last week about us having a cease and desist order. Thank you everyone for your support.

00:01:33.45
youcantcompthis
We've had a few PMs about that, you know, just wishing us well, offering us some pro bono legal support.

00:01:38.56
Adz
Legal legal support. Yeah.

00:01:40.26
youcantcompthis
We have found a lawyer. We've actually found one in USA, New Mexico. Sol Goodman will be representing us moving forward. So thank you to all the law firms that have offered us pro bono services, but we are going with Sol Goodman.

00:01:49.13
Adz
we'll be We'll be fine.

00:01:54.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:54.44
youcantcompthis
He is the man for you can't comp this. And, um you know, hopefully we can get this sorted out with the NBA as quick as we can.

00:02:02.01
Adz
Yeah, hopefully. I mean, we've gotten to hot water a couple of times.

00:02:02.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:02:04.49
Adz
I know Yannis, Aunty Ticompo, did leave a message for the show.

00:02:07.86
youcantcompthis
but He did, didn't he?

00:02:09.67
Adz
um We've had, now we've had Adam Silver complain, geez.

00:02:09.90
youcantcompthis
yeah Yeah. Yeah. Just nonstop really, isn't it?

00:02:14.73
Adz
It's tough life in the spotlight, really.

00:02:16.60
youcantcompthis
That's right. Critics everywhere. Yeah.

00:02:18.20
Adz
It is, it is.

00:02:19.81
youcantcompthis
Adam, let's let you lead this first one, mate. Cause I know this is very close to your heart. And for me, this is not really something that I know very much about, but you know, if the context for me is just the the absolute monopoly and just they're running the table at the moment.

00:02:32.70
youcantcompthis
So I think this is definitely worth talking about for a couple of minutes.

00:02:35.42
Adz
It's definitely definitely in the news, definitely in the news.

00:02:36.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:38.84
Adz
Tops have acquired the more expanded their deal with with Disney. So they

00:02:45.53
youcantcompthis
expanded the universe.

00:02:46.80
Adz
Ah, yeah, so they announced an expanded deal to include Marvel and Pixar cards.

00:02:48.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:02:54.50
Adz
Now, what that means at the moment is, I suppose there's a couple two different licenses that were circulating. um From what I can tell, starting in 2025,

00:03:06.86
Adz
and I've got the statement from Fanatics, our friends, basically starting in 2025, in addition to the global um the global Star Wars collaboration they've got with TOPS, this will now apply to Disney, Pixar and Marvel.

00:03:21.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:26.22
Adz
Now there were rights, so they they did have um European products with Marvel and whatnot, but I believe that that I suppose upper deck stays are coming to an end.

00:03:39.36
Adz
So the those things like the flea metal um in the Marvel series might be might be gone, but it'll be now available through tops. It looks like fanatics are really grabbing the bull by the horns, so to speak, or they're they're really trying to acquire some some big properties.

00:03:53.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:03:57.56
youcantcompthis
And I think from a logistical point of view, it actually makes sense, doesn't it? Because underneath the Disney umbrella is Marvel and Pixar already, isn't it?

00:04:06.19
Adz
I think so, yeah.

00:04:06.34
youcantcompthis
And so, yeah. And then with that Disney, they also have got Star Wars, too. Like they purchased that from George Lucas not that long ago.

00:04:10.11
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:04:12.60
youcantcompthis
So for that all to be together, and then all to be together with top slash fanatics.

00:04:15.67
Adz
Under the, and yeah.

00:04:18.07
youcantcompthis
That actually makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it, to be just streamlined through. So maybe it was more of a matter of contracts ending and they're actually following the proper process instead of railroading like they did for the NFL and stealing, stealing contracts from Panini.

00:04:30.08
Adz
Consolidating, so they're consolidating rather than, yeah.

00:04:34.47
youcantcompthis
Like it's probably the better way to do it, isn't it really?

00:04:36.79
Adz
they're They're more consolidating their properties and and making them, putting them under one umbrella.

00:04:41.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:04:42.14
Adz
ah Some of the feedback online that I've seen, I did a little bit of research, which is really um unlike me, but it's a very interesting topic.

00:04:50.54
youcantcompthis
I want to hear your research because this is definitely your level of expertise, I think.

00:04:50.76
Adz
um the i watch I watched i my research total probably two YouTube videos and then I got bored. um but

00:05:01.00
youcantcompthis
At least you're honest at your you know limits, yeah.

00:05:04.65
Adz
But the the early, early news is that the first release will be out in the first quarter of 2025.

00:05:10.52
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:05:10.95
Adz
And given its fanatics, it will go under the same release structure as we're expecting with, um or sorry, from tops who are owned by fanatics.

00:05:21.45
Adz
But the release structure is going to be very similar to basketball wear. So your first order price is probably the lowest price you'll pay for the product. And There are rumors going around that they, with Fanatic's real move to promote breaking, that these Marvel products are going to be really designed for for a break product.

00:05:44.88
Adz
So <unk>t I don't know how that would work, but imagine pick a character.

00:05:47.77
youcantcompthis
And so would it be similar where you go into a PQ player case break? So you go into a case of the now you get Wolverine and then someone else gets Iron Man.

00:05:52.55
Adz
pick it

00:05:56.31
youcantcompthis
Is that how that would sort of play out?

00:05:57.48
Adz
Yeah, like I have no idea how it would work.

00:05:59.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:05:59.48
Adz
Could you imagine like doing a case of something and having, I suppose it's Marvel, so you'd pay per character.

00:06:05.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:06:06.55
Adz
Or like in Star Wars, you'd be like, you'd pay premiums for, I don't know, Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader, by the way. Rest in peace, James Earl Jones, early in the week, but yeah, so.

00:06:16.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that happened this week, didn't it?

00:06:19.22
Adz
um

00:06:19.37
youcantcompthis
He's definitely been a part of my childhood life in terms of movies and actually, now you're talking about that. We recently watched with the kids, the Sandlot, or as I knew it, the Sandlot kids.

00:06:28.76
Adz
Wow. Yeah.

00:06:32.73
youcantcompthis
And James Earl Jones was in that. He was the the guy whose house they were.

00:06:36.36
Adz
Wow.

00:06:37.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I completely forgotten about that. so

00:06:39.52
Adz
ah It was pretty funny because I like it was a sad day. I saw the news and then I chuckled because the one of the first um ah I was I was looking through and then Mark Hamill is just like RIP dad.

00:06:54.93
Adz
ah

00:06:58.68
Adz
And I'm like, ah it's not bad taste. It's actually, it's yeah, just sort of paying homage to the man. So yeah, he's been been an icon.

00:07:05.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah, definitely.

00:07:07.31
Adz
So yeah, it'd be interesting to see some Star Wars breaks and some Marvel breaks and I don't know, Disney Pixar.

00:07:14.97
youcantcompthis
So my whole thing about products like this is and I'm going to put this is a little bit barbaric, really, but this is how I break it down in my head is I sort of put this sort of stuff in the same categories like garbage pail kids where it's still pretty cheap, that stuff.

00:07:23.39
Adz
Hmm.

00:07:31.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:31.28
youcantcompthis
It's cheap enough that you can actually just buy a whole box and rip it. So are you anticipating that that's no longer going to be the case now it comes under the top's umbrella?

00:07:39.34
Adz
The Marvel, the, the well, i I suppose the metal stuff, the Marvel metal stuff was never really cheap. But I think there'll be, it was quite, ah quite high.

00:07:45.68
youcantcompthis
How much was that per box?

00:07:50.70
Adz
My, not comparable to basketball, but it wasn't garbage pile kids cheap.

00:07:51.46
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:07:55.44
youcantcompthis
Yeah, okay, cool.

00:07:56.67
Adz
ah There were products that were, don't get me wrong, ah but it'd be interesting to see what tops do with it.

00:07:57.11
youcantcompthis
And

00:08:03.35
Adz
I mean, at the moment, given we're not in 2025 yet, they could release a product with just, I don't know, generic cartoon character looking people with color schemes, put a green guy and not call him the Hulk, just call him green guy.

00:08:20.48
youcantcompthis
You mean like unofficial unlicensed?

00:08:22.35
Adz
That's exactly right.

00:08:23.70
youcantcompthis
Is this where you're going with this?

00:08:25.09
Adz
It's exactly where I'm going with it.

00:08:25.89
youcantcompthis
I couldn't imagine there'd be a market for that stuff, honestly.

00:08:29.36
Adz
Yes, well, who knows? Who knows?

00:08:32.20
youcantcompthis
Surely.

00:08:33.23
Adz
We could have just like non superhero backgrounds.

00:08:37.81
youcantcompthis
So yeah, okay. And what's the return on investment for someone with that? Cause you know, the sort of the general thing with basketball, and we're going to talk about this with, we got to listen to a question about this today later on.

00:08:43.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:46.62
youcantcompthis
So let's not go into too much in the basketball side, but you buy a box of it.

00:08:46.91
Adz
yeah

00:08:51.13
youcantcompthis
What's the chance of breaking even on a box of Marvel at the moment? Like, where do you stand?

00:08:54.58
Adz
At the moment, i think there are I think there are products out there that there there there is value. There are a lot of collectors in the same vein as as sports cards.

00:08:59.38
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:09:05.22
Adz
it's the It's the same thing, I guess. ah the supply demand yeah and The supply demand profile, I guess, is is different because it's a different audience.

00:09:06.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:14.39
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:09:14.54
Adz
They're after different things. But yeah, I think the the landscape of that is about to change again with with the change

00:09:19.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:21.41
Adz
from upper deck to tops. Let's just hope the, and I don't know, the hits that they're they're putting in and the I suppose the autos and things that they they're including are sought after and good value.

00:09:37.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

00:09:37.35
Adz
it But yeah, definitely interesting to say what the landscape holds as far as how this product will look in a breakers universe. Yeah.

00:09:47.70
youcantcompthis
So that was your story of the week. My story of the week was Shannon Sharp going live on Instagram with his consensual partner. Now the wording and language I'm going to use is very deliberate in an attempt to keep this family friendly.

00:10:01.32
youcantcompthis
ah However, you if you do have children around that you don't want listening to puns, probably just um just turn it down for maybe the next minute and a half, two minutes or so. So basically, he's with his consensual partner. He goes live on Instagram.

00:10:12.57
youcantcompthis
If you would like to see, slash, hear this footage, you need to go on to Twitter because currently Twitter is the the garbage dump of all social media sites, which essentially is just unfiltered. It's a bit like 4chan at the moment.

00:10:23.46
Adz
and no one takes anything down. Yeah, yeah, it's yep.

00:10:25.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And so he didn't get fired for it, which really set off Paul Pierce. So basically Paul Pierce was saying he held a party with professional ladies, did some Instagram videos, and then the next week was fired from yeah ESPN. So he was pretty cheesed off about that. So then Shannon Sharp goes back onto live TV and just, you know, faces of music head on now, Instagram handle of this guy's called at feared buck basically just went to town and this guy just made jokes about him. My favorite joke of the interview, though, is when he was telling Shannon Sharp that he needs to improve his cardio, that he was just running out of puff halfway through. So I thought that was just like absolutely classic. It's a very 2024 sort of moment, isn't it, where people's intimacy goes, you know, live on Instagram and then we joke about it the next day on TV.

00:11:17.29
Adz
it's ah It's a very different um world we're living in. I think that's all.

00:11:23.71
youcantcompthis
what ah What a time to be alive, Adam.

00:11:23.90
Adz
i what it's It's a bit odd, I don't know, I don't know. sometimes Remember the days where you had to read about this stuff in the newspaper?

00:11:33.62
youcantcompthis
Now, there's no photos or anything like that.

00:11:33.96
Adz
Photos were leaked, I don't know.

00:11:37.51
youcantcompthis
It was just a a really badly. I don't even know how you do it. It takes more than one press to go live on Insta.

00:11:44.67
Adz
This is true. There's nothing unintentional about it, I'm sure.

00:11:47.13
youcantcompthis
That's what my wife was saying. She's like, was it accidental, you know?

00:11:51.26
Adz
Yeah, no, it sounds very, very fabricated. Not fabricated, but intentionally produced.

00:11:55.90
youcantcompthis
All right. Yeah. Anyway, we've done that two minutes on that. Let's move on. So back to basketball cards. Golden goes on live Instagram in a t-shirt.

00:12:09.74
youcantcompthis
I feel like it's kind of like showing off his arms a little bit, like at least his biceps. Do you think Atta was a little bit shorter and his biceps literally flexing, holding this card up, flexing it, holding onto it.

00:12:16.88
Adz
Ah, probably. Yeah, bit of a, bit of a flex.

00:12:24.34
youcantcompthis
got my hands on the one of one tops now olympics stefflebron kd card for our september elite he looked very very happy about it it's isn't it funny with guys like this i feel like getting money in their pocket doesn't make them happy anymore it's beating out their opposition to least one of one cards onto their auctions is what makes him happy i think beating jeff wilson here is really the the crux of it

00:12:31.28
Adz
There he is. Yeah. Mmm.

00:12:48.99
youcantcompthis
um I think their online battle has been quite epic these last couple of weeks.

00:12:49.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:52.39
youcantcompthis
As much as I hate Jeff Wilson, I've been enjoying his little back and forth there.

00:12:52.52
Adz
It is me kid.

00:12:56.86
youcantcompthis
so

00:12:57.71
Adz
I do like the little um rivalry that's established.

00:13:01.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right.

00:13:03.10
Adz
It's, it's quite amusing. and I don't know. It's um...

00:13:07.21
youcantcompthis
So like this is great, but at the same time, the one of one autograph still hasn't been pulled. So it's probably also a good time for us to go back and price check some of these packets because we talked about this the last couple of weeks.

00:13:18.84
youcantcompthis
So yeah, there's not a lot of sales data on there.

00:13:18.96
Adz
We have, we've we've checked it on it a couple of times. There's still...

00:13:24.12
youcantcompthis
So it actually makes me think what David Ralph said a couple of weeks back was actually very accurate in that.

00:13:25.91
Adz
Mmm.

00:13:30.97
youcantcompthis
You know, these sales literally just been sold, but they haven't been paid for or or, you know, the orders being cancelled, you know, whatever it is. But there are two sales on there that I could find one for one thousand five hundred and one for three thousand four nine nine. So let's just say the truth is probably closer to the one five. In my head, that probably makes a lot more sense.

00:13:49.77
Adz
Mm, for sure.

00:13:50.64
youcantcompthis
It also makes sense to me that all the other sales have been removed. So now there's some singles are starting to pop up online there, too. So basically there was like a five card lot for $10.50 USD, ah a nice looking singles on there for about 20 bucks.

00:14:01.95
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:14:06.47
youcantcompthis
And then there was a foil image variation for $113 USD.

00:14:11.94
Adz
Okay.

00:14:12.37
youcantcompthis
So, you know, the part I kind of like about this is that, yeah, like some of this stuff is going for crazy numbers, which is

00:14:17.11
Adz
Yep.

00:14:19.46
youcantcompthis
is fun, like, you know, let's be honest about that, you know, to purchase something for $10 and then to flip it for $1,000 or ah more, you know, that's fun.

00:14:27.31
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:14:27.49
youcantcompthis
ah it's It's not dirty doing the flip, like it's it's okay, guys, you know, I think it's it's fine to talk about this. um But what's also fun for me is that the buy-in was $10.

00:14:35.71
Adz
But we call we'll call it the flick rather than the flip.

00:14:38.33
youcantcompthis
Or the roll, the roll.

00:14:38.35
Adz
an I don't know.

00:14:39.37
youcantcompthis
We need to, we haven't decided on this, have we?

00:14:41.04
Adz
We still haven't decided on this. This will be our next big debate.

00:14:44.20
youcantcompthis
But then the after sale ad, I think that's very reasonable. If you want to get your hands on five of these cards for 10 bucks, you know, that's great. If you want to get an, a nice single for 20 bucks, you know what, that's, that's collectible and that's fun.

00:14:51.08
Adz
Sure. um

00:14:55.46
youcantcompthis
You know, I'm totally fine with this. And then if you want to get a variation for a hundred bucks, you know, that's not outrageous. I don't think so.

00:15:02.10
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. i did I did say this weeks ago on on the show that I didn't think this card is a joke. I think the way the market's treating it, it definitely isn't.

00:15:11.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:15:12.01
Adz
right People are after this one of one. I think this moment in his mba and NBA, American basketball history, tops history.

00:15:19.83
youcantcompthis
Let's call it tops history. Yeah.

00:15:22.95
Adz
It's the big it's their big relaunch. It is this is the this is the this is one of those cards like that.

00:15:25.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:15:28.93
Adz
The wenby one of one is obviously the the one of one auto from wenby.

00:15:33.01
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:15:33.14
Adz
That's one of the big ones for tops in their in their great comeback in their resurgence.

00:15:35.11
youcantcompthis
Definitely.

00:15:38.39
Adz
But this you team USA triple logo triple auto.

00:15:42.59
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:15:43.46
Adz
That's a that's another one of their flagship cards.

00:15:47.13
youcantcompthis
It's a great idea. I think all this instant stuff panini didn didn't do that right.

00:15:48.47
Adz
Hmm.

00:15:52.91
youcantcompthis
And I think, you you know, in a very early variation or version of it, they've done it very well.

00:16:00.00
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:16:00.55
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah. And why don't we take our first break? We're actually going to management of time down this week.

00:16:06.47
Adz
We're on.

00:16:08.14
youcantcompthis
So yeah, let's go get a quick drink and we'll, we'll come back guys.

00:16:08.25
Adz
We're doing it well, we're doing it well this week.

00:16:21.73
youcantcompthis
And we are back. Adam, how are you feeling, chair?

00:16:24.95
Adz
I'm feeling refreshed, very refreshed.

00:16:26.89
youcantcompthis
Refreshed? Great. So let's talk about our friends at fastbreaktradingcards.com. If you go on to their website fastbreaktradingcards.com, you will find an absolute range of products for you to choose from.

00:16:43.52
youcantcompthis
You'll find Fanatics Memorabilia, which we're going to talk about in a minute a little bit more. They've got Disney Locana, they've got Pokemon One Piece, they've got supplies, they've got grading deals available for you. They've got basketball, football, baseball, UFC. I went onto their page this week and I found some products which I thought were pretty good.

00:17:06.10
youcantcompthis
$8 optic packs, tops, pure class basketball for $5 a pack.

00:17:08.10
Adz
Nice. Very nice.

00:17:13.08
youcantcompthis
Now, most of the things that I focused on were at the cheaper end, just to pick you up for a couple of dollars.

00:17:18.18
Adz
Yep.

00:17:19.44
youcantcompthis
However, I did find something which I thought was worth mentioning, a Bob Coosy Mitchell and Ness swingman with the inscription hall of fame 71 also with his autograph on it of course for $895 however our friends at fastbreak trading cards have got something for the listeners it is a 10 discount code which is YCCT being you can't comp this

00:17:30.72
Adz
Yep.

00:17:44.45
youcantcompthis
and then ten as in ten percent so why cct and then the number ten and that will get you ten percent off at checkout now the reason why this is also a little bit timely for us to talk about is because there was a massive,

00:17:59.07
youcantcompthis
our conclusion to a lawsuit where an Australian company called Fanatics or Fanatics Australia, let's just call it that to for the simplicity of the ah segment for today, were a company that offers ah tourists from overseas to come and experience sporting events in Australia and they take them around, take them to sporting events, take them out to the pub afterwards and they're labeled the Fanatics.

00:18:06.71
Adz
no

00:18:23.70
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:18:23.88
Adz
Mmm Yep, so fanatical supporters, which is what we're all sports nuts in Australia.

00:18:24.67
youcantcompthis
So then, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:28.64
Adz
So that makes sense

00:18:29.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and we do love going to live sporting events and we do love going to the pub. So it's just the perfect recipe for, you know, young men and young women or young people to come to Australia and enjoy our culture.

00:18:37.73
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:40.55
youcantcompthis
And so that's created an issue once fanatics America have come into Australia trying to trade under the same name. So. The scenario is it's really easy to understand when you go on to rebelsport dot.com.au or whatever the website is for rebel and you go to buy fanatics clothing.

00:18:59.65
youcantcompthis
It's got the fanatics label on it which is a direct you know problem when it comes to copyright and

00:19:03.04
Adz
Yep. Yeah, yeah, yep.

00:19:06.12
youcantcompthis
all the rest of it. So it's actually been a very long standing and long drawn out court battle. If I'm understanding this correctly, it's been going on for about 10 years now.

00:19:14.73
Adz
Sheesh.

00:19:14.94
youcantcompthis
So just this week, it's just been ruled upon that Fanatics Australia has won the ruling.

00:19:19.91
Adz
Yep.

00:19:21.31
youcantcompthis
And so as a consequence, Fanatics US has to pay all of the court fees for Fanatics Australia. And they also can't trade in Australia as of September the 10th, I believe the date was.

00:19:33.95
youcantcompthis
So

00:19:34.41
Adz
So a few days ago...

00:19:35.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so what that means is for people buying from so, for example, if you're buying off Rebel Sport and they're directly how the process works is if you buy something off Rebel, I'm just using that as an example, they don't sponsor the show.

00:19:50.27
youcantcompthis
um The merchandise is held in America at the fanatics warehouse or the f fanatics production house and then shipped directly to Australia.

00:19:54.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:57.92
youcantcompthis
So that process can no longer happen.

00:20:01.01
Adz
Wow, so that's that's a big impact.

00:20:04.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah, a little bit of a gray area how that affects our friends at Fastbreak Trading Cards. Perhaps now they're going to have the monopoly on the fanatics product that's in Australia and it's going to be a good time to jump onto their website and take advantage of that 10 percent discount code ad.

00:20:20.27
Adz
Yeah, that's true, that's true. that's That's awesome.

00:20:22.22
youcantcompthis
Hmm.

00:20:22.71
Adz
Yeah, being able to jump onto the website and use, is it a pretty simple one? YCCT10.

00:20:27.77
youcantcompthis
Even I can remember that, yeah.

00:20:29.37
Adz
Yeah, I wouldn't forget that.

00:20:31.20
youcantcompthis
So where my head went with all of this was ah how is that going to affect trading cards?

00:20:36.11
Adz
Cards was my big, I'm confused, yeah.

00:20:36.90
youcantcompthis
So we did reach out to a anonymous source about this and all we can say is that the source is very well versed in these dealings.

00:20:50.18
youcantcompthis
And basically it's a really common sense response that we received is that it's not going to be a problem that they see because the trading cards aren't under the fanatics logo per se, they're under the tops

00:21:00.77
Adz
Tops. Yep. Yep.

00:21:02.27
youcantcompthis
logo. So that actually makes a whole lot of sense.

00:21:02.53
Adz
Tops product.

00:21:04.15
youcantcompthis
And I was actually thinking about this off the air and I feel like I should be a consultant for fanatics at this point. Just slap a top sticker onto all their fanatics stuff. You know how products come through from overseas and they just put a sticker over the top of it.

00:21:14.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:17.56
youcantcompthis
Just put a sticker where fanatics was. It says tops now.

00:21:20.53
Adz
Yep.

00:21:21.61
youcantcompthis
Everyone understands who they're dealing with at this point.

00:21:23.13
Adz
and and um and sure and And surely, I mean, it can say that they're associated with FanaticsUS, because they are associated with FanaticsUS, they're just not trading as FanaticsUS in Australia.

00:21:34.41
youcantcompthis
I think once you put the sticker over the top though, that would look, um'm i'm no copyright I'm no copyright expert ad.

00:21:37.57
Adz
see it's ah i i'd um I'd always call that a Band-Aid solution, even though it's a sticker solution, but yeah.

00:21:42.77
youcantcompthis
There's nothing better than I liked in a Band-Aid solution Adam.

00:21:48.68
Adz
Oh boy, fanatics. The fun just never stops.

00:21:53.73
youcantcompthis
just Just constant headlines, isn't it really?

00:21:55.81
Adz
and is They're gonna love this.

00:21:58.50
youcantcompthis
Final thoughts on this before we move on to mail back?

00:22:01.40
Adz
um if If Aussie fanatics really wanted to win this in a better way, they could have joined forces with fanatics to have some exclusivity with regards to their jersey. If they are taking people to events and things,

00:22:19.38
youcantcompthis
So I'm not I'm not speaking on this from any ah viewpoint other that this is my own just opinion on this. I think what I've observed from fanatics is they don't like to play nicely with other people like the way they negotiated.

00:22:33.51
Adz
Yeah, they definitely, they definitely they bring and they bring their own sandpit.

00:22:37.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. So I think it's you don't know that Fanatics Australia didn't want to hop into bed with Fanatics USA.

00:22:38.89
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:22:47.44
Adz
That's true.

00:22:48.11
youcantcompthis
I can't imagine that Finex USA wanted to hop in bed with Finex Australia. That's the way I look at that equation.

00:22:52.97
Adz
Yep. Well, it's autumn of lesson, didn't it?

00:22:55.94
youcantcompthis
Yeah, a very costly one too.

00:22:57.00
Adz
Costly one.

00:22:58.72
youcantcompthis
That would be millions of dollars, like you know, 10 years of court fees. that's

00:23:01.41
Adz
and that's a And that's a pretty big market. i'm not not No, actually, it's a sizable market if you're losing the Australian market. You can't establish.

00:23:07.75
youcantcompthis
I gotta say, I don't think they'll lose it. they'll They'll work something out, but I think the thing that actually makes me the most impressed out of all of this is it's obviously the David versus Goliath type scenario, but how an Aussie company could fund a 10 year battle with a billion dollar as the lawyer.

00:23:10.67
Adz
Of course.

00:23:23.82
Adz
They had the bloke from the castle. that I'm joking. Remember the lawyer? Yeah, the lawyer.

00:23:30.31
youcantcompthis
You don't think they had our lawyer sold from New Mexico?

00:23:30.50
Adz
so

00:23:33.06
Adz
ah No, no, no, no, no. They couldn't afford Saul. Didn't know his number. um Yeah, interesting times though.

00:23:43.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All right. Mail back. I'm picking the first question.

00:23:47.83
Adz
All right, I'll um i'll show jump over to to the mail bag.

00:23:50.43
youcantcompthis
This is from Ryan Miller.

00:23:52.09
Adz
Yep.

00:23:53.46
youcantcompthis
Still wondering when box prices come down.

00:23:59.85
youcantcompthis
Kinda.

00:23:59.88
Adz
is that the is that literally Is that literally the question?

00:24:03.29
youcantcompthis
kind of hoping flag as in Cooper flag is a dud so we can see some easy on it next year which is not going to happen by the way who's buying these products though like I'm all for a gamble but the numbers don't stack up even for that so I think It's not so much a question, but the reason why I wanted to lead with this is because I feel that this ties into, you know, finags are taking you over.

00:24:24.87
youcantcompthis
So how are they going to change the equation of how much sealed product costs?

00:24:27.59
Adz
Mm.

00:24:29.78
youcantcompthis
And also too, tying that back to that whole thing we're talking about with tops, you know, when you open a box and it costs you $500, do you get $500 worth of cards, you know, back out of it?

00:24:29.92
Adz
Yep.

00:24:40.08
youcantcompthis
I think that's, and I agree with Ryan, you know, I think sometimes it's,

00:24:42.63
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:45.67
youcantcompthis
actually let me rephrase that not sometimes I actually can't even remember the last time I've opened a whole sealed box for myself I'm very happy to go into breaks and and I enjoy that you know I I've got no trouble with that but actually the moment I tell you what I am opening is hanger packs You can get prism hanger packs for about twenty dollars Aussie at the moment.

00:25:01.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:05.29
youcantcompthis
You know one of those every week or a fortnight or a month you don't mean like that's kind of like my.

00:25:09.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:10.16
youcantcompthis
My opening sealed product experience at the moment and I think it's a lot to do with what Ryan's touching on there. But I think having a bad draft class come out.

00:25:17.26
Adz
Yeah, great.

00:25:20.49
youcantcompthis
And let's just say the product does come down to $200, but then you're not getting the same prospects in it. So actually that's not a good thing. Like what you want is like cheap box prices with good prospects in it.

00:25:32.88
Adz
That's true. That is that is very true.

00:25:34.96
youcantcompthis
Maybe I'm just being irrational here.

00:25:39.05
youcantcompthis
What's your thoughts on Ryan's question slash statement?

00:25:42.77
Adz
i I like where Ryan's heads at with this is like, I just want some, some respite, I guess on the

00:25:46.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:25:53.16
Adz
Play on words, the fanatical response to Topps getting back into the hobby. And it is, it is, it's all these people, you know when Prism launches and and the silver Prisms, we'll use Wembley, Wembley's the easy example, right?

00:26:04.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:09.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:09.72
Adz
So day one, Wembley, it's a two and a half thousand dollar silver Prism.

00:26:13.50
youcantcompthis
Mm hmm.

00:26:14.69
Adz
And now we settle at like 800 bucks.

00:26:18.05
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:26:18.10
Adz
The boxes don't go that way, I guess.

00:26:18.29
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:22.23
Adz
But they should. I mean, in the way, in in the model, maybe they do. Maybe if they stop selling.

00:26:26.77
youcantcompthis
They do track up and down a little bit.

00:26:28.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:28.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah. But there is a point when, you know, they do start.

00:26:32.37
Adz
They're not coming back down.

00:26:34.02
youcantcompthis
That's right. They do start to track up again. But I got to say, though, I think anything that's pinning at this point in time, you know, I think you have to be very careful about putting it away.

00:26:44.70
youcantcompthis
You need to know the exact redemption count in each box.

00:26:49.19
Adz
Yeah, I think that's it.

00:26:50.03
youcantcompthis
Do you know what I mean?

00:26:50.43
Adz
That's a yeah, that's a good point.

00:26:50.51
youcantcompthis
So you need to make so each product is going to be different.

00:26:51.67
Adz
That's a good point.

00:26:56.17
youcantcompthis
So if we're talking about 1819 Prism Hobby, look, there's not a lot of redemptions in that. You're really just chasing, you know, numbered Lucas, silver Lucas, blah, blah, blah. So that's, I think that's kind of like a pretty safe one.

00:27:07.53
Adz
Yeah, that's a good point.

00:27:07.59
youcantcompthis
But when you move in into say like 1718 IMAX, 1718

00:27:12.55
Adz
And you get rid if you're going to get redemptions or panini points or

00:27:13.76
youcantcompthis
noir where Donovan Mitchell is like the big boy and then he's like a redemption. now And even now those redemptions aren't being redeemed. Like that to me is incredibly problematic.

00:27:21.34
Adz
Mmm.

00:27:22.81
youcantcompthis
Do you know what I mean? So I think that's, and also too, now we, I don't know, I kind of feel like, is there a chance that just Panini shuts the doors and doesn't even give you points, right?

00:27:23.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:31.13
Adz
Maybe.

00:27:32.95
youcantcompthis
Is it, but I can see a scenario where you get nothing.

00:27:32.98
Adz
Well, I was gonna say that's the big point, right? So instead of autos, panini points were in. Like, ah nothing for your points.

00:27:42.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah, nothing for an expired redemption. Yeah.

00:27:45.61
Adz
Yeah, I think that's, that'll be interesting.

00:27:48.16
youcantcompthis
Anyway, let's go to another question. We have way segue here.

00:27:51.58
Adz
We've way segued.

00:27:53.03
youcantcompthis
We have way segue.

00:27:53.13
Adz
um

00:27:55.83
Adz
I mean, i could I could go with a really, yeah I'll go with, it all right, i'll I'll go with the gif that was shared by ah Greg Doliver. And he's just got, no, I'm i'm gonna, umm I think, I think it's a very pessimistic one, but I don't agree with it.

00:28:05.67
youcantcompthis
Okay. It's funny you say this because I wasn't going to, I was just going to skip past this. I wasn't even going to mention it. So.

00:28:15.86
Adz
He said, Greg Doliver's put a downward spiral. i I don't see, I ah see more on social media with the hobby at the moment. I see more activity within the hobby. I'm seeing more shows. I'm seeing, do you know what I mean? Like it's.

00:28:35.32
youcantcompthis
I think within any hobby, within any social media type, you're always going to have people who see the negative side, you know, the cup half empty, and then you are going to have the people who see the cup half full.

00:28:44.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:47.56
youcantcompthis
So I'm going to go out into a limb here and say that Greg isn't feeling cup half full about the hobby at the moment.

00:29:00.66
youcantcompthis
but That's all I've got.

00:29:03.10
Adz
Yes. I think he's got his half full cup or half empty cup and he's got a little teaspoon and he's swirling it. It's going in a downward spiral.

00:29:13.19
youcantcompthis
You think he's mixing his coffee in a clockwise direction?

00:29:14.89
Adz
Swirling. Yes, yep, it's a little downward spiral.

00:29:18.13
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:29:21.04
Adz
It's okay.

00:29:22.16
youcantcompthis
Um, actually these questions, we can probably skip through this pretty quick. This is from Paul. What's on my mind at the moment, he will be forgotten like the other good players, then his card prices will just be the same as the others.

00:29:34.27
youcantcompthis
I mean, who is he? LeBron James, Kobe Bryant. I'm assuming he's talking about Wembley, but

00:29:39.22
Adz
No, I reckon oh, I don't know if it's wimpy because you because you've put the step up as the attention pick So that's the so maybe maybe that's the thoughts on Steph Curry.

00:29:45.28
youcantcompthis
Mm hmm.

00:29:49.07
youcantcompthis
All right. So why don't we answer this question from two perspectives? Why don't we do it from Wembley and why don't we do it from Steph?

00:29:55.56
Adz
I Like it um I'll take the low-hanging fruit which is Steph Curry um There is there is

00:29:55.75
youcantcompthis
Why don't you pick you pick one player and I'll do the other. How does that sound?

00:30:02.48
youcantcompthis
All right. Go, mate. Go hit it. Hit it hard.

00:30:08.16
Adz
Just like people that throw ah paper at a waste paper basket and yell Kobe, Steph Curry will not be forgotten.

00:30:17.45
youcantcompthis
There is no way Steph Curry's being forgotten. I like this, this is not gonna happen.

00:30:20.75
Adz
As I said, there is a generation of children that are growing up that have grown up with all they wanna do.

00:30:23.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:27.09
Adz
They don't wanna dunk the ball anymore. They wanna jack it from three because of this guy.

00:30:31.17
youcantcompthis
They are playing basketball because of Steph Curry.

00:30:33.37
Adz
Yes, exactly right. And they're shooting very bad.

00:30:34.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:35.93
Adz
They've got 3% three point shooting rates because they probably shouldn't be shooting threes, but that's not the point.

00:30:41.80
youcantcompthis
But the floor spacing is good Adam.

00:30:44.17
Adz
It's great. You're very, very, very...

00:30:45.01
youcantcompthis
And the shot was open. You know, you've got to shoot your shot when it's open, right?

00:30:48.43
Adz
This is true. When you're eight years old and you you probably can't hit a free throw, jacking threes at the end of the game probably isn't the way to go.

00:30:49.47
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:55.21
Adz
But anyway.

00:30:55.93
youcantcompthis
All right. So then I'll answer it from a Wembley point of view and I'll just leverage on from your point. I think it's more likely that Wembley gets forgotten than Steph Curry.

00:31:00.71
Adz
Hmm.

00:31:05.25
Adz
Agreed.

00:31:05.53
youcantcompthis
And I would say the chance that Wembley is forgotten is ah also quite small because I think his combination of size and skill is just something that it's actually quite baffling to really explain, because as much as you think Yannis was the next freak.

00:31:22.33
Adz
Hmm.

00:31:23.50
youcantcompthis
OK, so then we've just gone fast forward, you know, 50 more years into the future and he's wimpy, like literally an alien just in front of us, so.

00:31:31.02
Adz
Yeah, look, like I don't think people are gonna forget a guy that's

00:31:34.67
youcantcompthis
And even if he bombs out, like say Zion Williamson, as bad as, let's just say he bombs out as bad as Zion has, people still haven't forgotten Zion and there's still a glimmer of hope.

00:31:36.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:43.99
youcantcompthis
There's still a flame for Zion. So imagine how much optimism there'll be for Wembley, unless he breaks his leg into three pieces, I suppose.

00:31:50.36
Adz
I think the level of hype that came around Wembley, I think Zion's the only real comparison.

00:31:56.19
youcantcompthis
I think there was more hype around Zion and Lamallo and Jar than Wembley.

00:32:04.75
Adz
Lamello than Wembley, you reckon?

00:32:04.85
youcantcompthis
I actually thought there was a lot of hyper and lamello. I actually think the hyper and wenby was more just excitement as opposed to, you know, sure.

00:32:12.85
Adz
Mmm.

00:32:16.36
Adz
I think after year one, Wembley's on a much better trajectory than any other player in the last 10 years.

00:32:26.42
youcantcompthis
Maybe um he's actually saying that Luca is the one that's going to be forgotten.

00:32:31.25
Adz
Ha ha, we already know he's gonna be forgotten. We know this already, old news.

00:32:37.38
youcantcompthis
All right, Sean Alloway, sweet card. I've been looking at 90s insert sets this year and just pulled the trigger and picked up the whole set of 93, 94 FLIR Ultra Power in the key.

00:32:48.02
youcantcompthis
Should be here next week, froffing the designs of the 90s cards at the moment.

00:32:48.27
Adz
Whoa.

00:32:53.17
Adz
Yeah, there are some very, very, very sweet insert sets from back in that.

00:32:57.18
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah. And that probably just leverages on a little bit from Joe Fu still picking up more of the 90s and super rare, rare inserts for the prices in comparison to the modern stuff is an absolute steal.

00:32:59.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:10.98
youcantcompthis
The hit rates on some of these cards are astronomical, but their prices don't reflect it. Perks are being old and chasing the old players and not much into gambling on the new rooks. Yeah. So I think, I think this is really the whole thing about buying what makes you happy.

00:33:26.18
Adz
Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

00:33:27.36
youcantcompthis
And if that's your happy place and you see value in it, because I think buying something that you see value in is actually quite important because no one ever really feels good about getting um shield, do they, you know, to 150% comps.

00:33:40.09
Adz
Nope. Agreed. Completely agree.

00:33:42.51
youcantcompthis
The gambling part, the gambling part, I see where Joe's coming from because I think gambling can be referred to opening sealed packets. It can be referred to opening sealed boxes, prospecting and going to breaks.

00:33:53.11
Adz
prospecting

00:33:56.05
youcantcompthis
I think there's that part of it.

00:33:56.46
Adz
yeah

00:33:57.81
youcantcompthis
I think that's what he's touching on. But at the same time, too, we can't let that comment go without saying that Not all vintage stuff is safe as houses. So it is still some risk in buying that stuff.

00:34:11.01
youcantcompthis
It's not all, you know, guaranteed.

00:34:13.04
Adz
yeah yeah there's i wouldn't say there's any real guarantees with the older stuff but you get some cool stuff i've

00:34:16.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:34:18.79
Adz
Yeah, i I admit I i will, I'm with Joe on the picking up some of the, uh, the 90 stuff. I, I mean, after Joe and I had our little, um, chat the other week, I went and picked up some, some Scotty Pippen beam teams and, and I actually bought a set, i I bought a set of the thunder and lightning cards we were talking about.

00:34:24.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:34:39.34
youcantcompthis
Can you please put it onto social so we can look at it?

00:34:42.14
Adz
My stuff. Yeah, I can, I'll put some social stuff up.

00:34:45.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:34:45.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:47.26
youcantcompthis
Right. The people will love it. The people will love it.

00:34:49.80
Adz
love Love the stuff that I'm chasing. I've got another one coming, but it's not in my hand yet, so that'll go up.

00:34:58.06
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:34:58.23
Adz
and's It's not pocket change, it's not 90s, so.

00:35:01.10
youcantcompthis
Two more things before we tie this up. Number one, thank you for everyone for contributing. However, I do need to give everyone, and and this is not aimed at anyone in particular, just in general, please ask questions. Making statements is a very hard for us to answer questions by. it ah The second thing I wanted to say here is actually I'm going to reply to Greg Doliver. So I wasn't going to reply to this, but I've changed my mind.

00:35:23.91
youcantcompthis
So I want to do a segment next week called the zero dollar card experience where we can all share our ideas about how to engage with the hobby on a budget because the last couple of weeks I've had this kind of like dark thought about am I spending too much on the hobby and can I give myself a break in terms of dollar wise and just do things that cost me nothing.

00:35:48.73
Adz
oh

00:35:50.54
youcantcompthis
So how can you engage with the hobby that doesn't cost you a cent. I think that would be a really good segment to do and sort of hear people's different sort of life hacks to you know to get through when you need to save a couple of bucks or the wife doesn't want you to spend you know any money or you know whatever you know the scenario is.

00:35:58.26
Adz
I like that.

00:36:07.78
Adz
but still ahre so We're still waiting on um ah Wives to reach out to us to come on the show for a segment to discuss.

00:36:14.56
youcantcompthis
We had more lawyers reach out to us than wives. I don't know what that says about our um our listener base, actually.

00:36:19.02
Adz
we need to run it We need to run it through legal if they do reach out though.

00:36:22.35
youcantcompthis
We'll need Sol to read over the notes.

00:36:24.49
Adz
We'll have to do it, we'll we'll need to do it on delay I think. Just in case we need to edit stuff out.

00:36:30.73
youcantcompthis
All right, on that point, let's um let's go grab a break and then we'll be right back. 36, 55, something like that.

00:36:46.88
Adz
36, yeah, something. like

00:36:49.62
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, we are back. We are back. Thank you everyone for coming back.

00:36:56.59
Adz
can i just Can I just tie off the the the mail bag, because there are a couple of smaller so posts that we may have we may have missed.

00:37:03.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:04.62
Adz
but still got We've got James Gregory, who who said he's still planning on building up ah building up the world's biggest collection of the little goat, Marvin Williams.

00:37:12.88
youcantcompthis
That's not a question.

00:37:15.74
Adz
And there was a, well, I feel like you've put a card up, so everyone everyone else is putting cards up.

00:37:23.28
Adz
And then there's a Josh Giddy go balls, but he's wearing a Thunder Jersey. I don't get it.

00:37:30.27
youcantcompthis
like It's again, it's not a question. and

00:37:32.97
Adz
It's a pretty bold statement, come on balls. Was that with fingers crossed?

00:37:38.37
Adz
I can't see the emoji.

00:37:38.85
youcantcompthis
Look, Josh Giddy is a bi at the moment. There's no doubt about that. So yes, go Bulls, go Josh Giddy.

00:37:44.67
Adz
Giddy up.

00:37:45.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Alrighty, advertisement time. Hobby hangout. Thank you for your eternal support and optimism in Adam and I. We thank you so much for all the opportunities that you've given us at your shows over the years, really, isn't it, Ad?

00:38:02.38
Adz
Yeah, over the years now it's been.

00:38:04.54
youcantcompthis
And we are honored to be a representative for you and tell people about the product that you're bringing forward.

00:38:04.60
Adz
Yep.

00:38:10.82
youcantcompthis
So thank you so much again. Hobby Hangout, Melbourne, 17th of November. Go to the hobbyhangout.com.au to get your tickets.

00:38:23.84
youcantcompthis
Now I'm just looking at the tickets at the moment, which are actually sold via Oztix. First release. are still available. So in other words, that's the early bird tickets, which are selling for, yeah, saying less than 50 left.

00:38:35.38
Adz
there's not there's not many There's not many left.

00:38:39.47
youcantcompthis
So they're $29 a ticket. The subsequent ticket releases are $34 and $39 a pop. Now, with the early bird tickets, you get an entry into a $500 raffle, so that's always good. And then also to everyone will be getting a showback this year. So that's, you know, something I think is a really positive move for me. Also in Sydney, they will be selling tickets for Here we go.

00:39:08.81
youcantcompthis
The date on this is, I cannot find the date, Sunday.

00:39:11.25
Adz
It's the 1st of December.

00:39:12.67
youcantcompthis
Thank you, Adam. Sunday, the 1st of December at the University of New South Wales Anzac Parade in Kensington. It's the same hobby hangout recipe. They've got all the trading zones, the poker zones.

00:39:25.80
youcantcompthis
the workshop, the live breaks, the panels, Card Fever, Mick Fett trading cards, Pops Galore, Boop Collectibles, J Swish is going to be there, The Corner Post, Devitt Collectibles, Aussie Collector.

00:39:34.95
Adz
Mhm. Nice.

00:39:40.60
youcantcompthis
There's heaps, 70 plus different stalls are going to be there. So check it all out, guys. You won't regret going to the Hobby Hangout.

00:39:48.20
Adz
I'll tell you what, we need to, not this coming one in December, but maybe we need to go to a hobby hangout in in another state.

00:39:55.69
youcantcompthis
I think we um need to be flown up there ad, you know, like in a corporate type arrangement.

00:39:58.84
Adz
Yeah, that's a good idea. I like them, see, you, now you think, now you, yeah, exactly, yeah. The hobby hangout's private jet can can fly us there.

00:40:06.63
youcantcompthis
That's right. First class.

00:40:08.56
Adz
Or helicopter, helicopter rides, or we arrive at the venue.

00:40:12.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that'd be sweet. All righty. Now, last week, it's not often we disagree that much. So I thought I'd just flog this horse as long as we could. So I put up a social media post about this.

00:40:24.63
Adz
Got some traction too.

00:40:25.02
youcantcompthis
This is the NBA debut Victor Wembenjana from Mosaic, the beautiful Nebula there. I guess 35K, which was very heavily influenced by Eric Whiteback.

00:40:39.79
youcantcompthis
I will definitely admit that. And Adam, you just went straight to the future prices of 150K.

00:40:47.69
Adz
Yes.

00:40:47.99
youcantcompthis
What's your general consensus about the this post and and what people sort of fed back into?

00:40:54.12
Adz
um um Before I even read any of the comments, my first reaction, because I do believe you put this up as a reel on as a short on YouTube, um that I may have been hasty in my 150K guess.

00:41:12.32
youcantcompthis
I mean, I was probably trying to influence people's thoughts to to support me. I can't really confirm or deny this.

00:41:18.11
Adz
I don't know. I don't know. I think, I still think a hundred, I still think a hundred is not unrealistic.

00:41:22.83
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:41:23.07
Adz
Um, like it's a, it's a really good looking card. Um, look, I think, I think there are people on, on, on my side.

00:41:26.31
youcantcompthis
That's a beautiful card, yep.

00:41:30.97
Adz
There are some people on your side. Um, of note, I would like to say that Ryan has, has said about a hundred K.

00:41:38.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so Ryan Miller said that he also mentioned about market cap.

00:41:39.00
Adz
which

00:41:43.36
Adz
Yes.

00:41:46.44
youcantcompthis
Now, the king of collectibles might be golden, but the king of market cap is Ryan from Gemrate. So, Ryan, if you are listening, please chip in and send us in the right direction in terms of when be market cap.

00:42:00.33
Adz
Yep, yep. Yeah, that's it. We we want to know. um But it's nice to see somebody put six figures on this card as well.

00:42:09.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so we did have a couple of people put it down for that. We also had Wade Anthony at 125. We had Matthew Hull at 375 in Netflix fees, trip to Atlanta fees to you can't comp this and then add $500 more as it's better than Luca.

00:42:15.35
Adz
Yep.

00:42:26.34
youcantcompthis
So I think Matthew is is team Adam at this point.

00:42:32.53
Adz
Yep, agreed, yep.

00:42:33.56
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:42:35.41
Adz
Let's see, well once they, well I guess once ah Ken Golden and Jeff Wilson shilled the living crap out of this card, you imagine it'll be it'll be closer to 500k, you're probably right.

00:42:46.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Why don't you do the the flip side, the ones that were more sort of closer to my end and then we can close this bad boy off.

00:42:51.97
Adz
hope we got i haven't got the I don't think I've got the comments in order but we've got, who have we, well.

00:42:56.80
youcantcompthis
Sure. Doesn't matter, man.

00:43:02.24
Adz
Okay, Anthony Mill, 30K. So so pretty ah pretty close to to your guess there.

00:43:07.79
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:13.85
Adz
um Same as ah Blair Shave in 30K. 27K for Ross Berman.

00:43:22.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:23.30
Adz
Then we've got Levi Coombe, 45K.

00:43:25.29
youcantcompthis
Hope you're well, Ross, by the way, man. I haven't spoken to you for a long time. Sorry.

00:43:28.80
Adz
No, that's all right. it'ss Where are we? Yeah, Andrew Co, 25 to 30K. Yeah, Jono Michaels, 55K, sort of closer to your number than my number.

00:43:44.61
youcantcompthis
Still quite high, right?

00:43:45.70
Adz
Yep, Andrew Sudahuit is 18K.

00:43:45.98
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:43:50.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I've got to be honest with you, I think.

00:43:52.34
Adz
Alistair Campbell said 60 bucks.

00:43:55.48
youcantcompthis
I think you might have left a letter off that. I actually wonder if Andrew is maybe the most correct out of all of these answers, to be honest, like that.

00:44:03.15
Adz
18.

00:44:03.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah, it's kind of a sensible number.

00:44:04.89
Adz
Nah.

00:44:07.12
youcantcompthis
I think spending that much money on Mosaic Man is crazy.

00:44:10.23
Adz
We've got ah Adam a Muirhead, 47.

00:44:12.01
youcantcompthis
But that's that's bananas.

00:44:15.43
youcantcompthis
If you've got 18K put it into prison, you know,

00:44:17.13
Adz
65 from Al.

00:44:22.27
Adz
Zachariah, 50 to 75K.

00:44:25.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:44:27.33
Adz
Yeah, there's there's quite a bit of, quite a bit of oh. We've got Karl Morley, 75K, so smack bang in the middle, really. Well, he's actually closer to your side of the fence than my side of the fence here. Hope you're well, Karl, over in New Zealand.

00:44:44.96
youcantcompthis
So we had a couple of answers on Instagram, which is a little bit unusual. We have a different type of interaction when it comes to Insta. So the dot Laker dot collection. This is the August and September price, which is kind of a funny reference to how cards spike really high and then drop all the way down.

00:45:01.22
youcantcompthis
So, yeah, that's actually a pretty good answer.

00:45:01.36
Adz
Yeah, I like that. I like that.

00:45:03.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:45:04.67
Adz
It depends on what month it sells.

00:45:06.24
youcantcompthis
Lift off cards around 50K white.

00:45:11.84
youcantcompthis
Wit Rose cards, give me some Kobe, Chef and Hakeem autos for that price.

00:45:16.88
Adz
yeah

00:45:18.62
youcantcompthis
I have to o admit that that's that's a bit like the Andrew answer, isn't it really? Like just put put your money somewhere else.

00:45:22.77
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:45:26.09
youcantcompthis
Talking egg cards, 75,000 Tasmanian dollars, which I think we all know that those dollars are only accepted in Tasmania. So unfortunately, you can't purchase any WMB with that.

00:45:37.50
Adz
True.

00:45:40.45
Adz
I don't know what I've got. 40K-ish from the illusion collector.

00:45:44.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:45:46.36
Adz
Interesting, this has definitely got a bit a bit of traction.

00:45:48.78
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:45:50.26
Adz
Impressive, impressive.

00:45:50.76
youcantcompthis
All right. Another one of one is surface. This is from our friends at Cardletter. This is from five days ago.

00:45:57.38
Adz
Oh no.

00:45:57.84
youcantcompthis
The select one of one black pulsar first off the line snakeskin. And that is an absolute mouthful. And if you added in his name plus BGS 10 pristine.

00:46:12.31
Adz
Mmm.

00:46:13.58
youcantcompthis
It's almost you need commas, apostrophes, and taking a breath in between saying all that. $40,260 is the sold price on that ad.

00:46:25.87
Adz
Well, we all know how how undervalued select is.

00:46:26.31
youcantcompthis
How do you feel about that?

00:46:28.99
Adz
So, I mean, where's Mosaic in select stand? We might actually get some insight into our other card.

00:46:33.38
youcantcompthis
I think mosaic is less than select, actually.

00:46:36.95
Adz
Is it though?

00:46:37.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think so.

00:46:39.49
Adz
Depends which select.

00:46:41.41
youcantcompthis
Yeah, of course.

00:46:41.90
Adz
Select is such a hit and miss set.

00:46:45.62
Adz
This is actually quite a quite a beautiful looking card.

00:46:50.08
youcantcompthis
I actually agree with you, but I, if I had to choose, I would choose the Nebula.

00:46:56.90
Adz
You would.

00:46:56.98
youcantcompthis
And yeah, I do like that Nebula. There's something about having a Nebula in your hand. It's pretty amazing, but that is 10 and actually really, really close to a black label.

00:47:08.09
Adz
That is a 10, yeah.

00:47:10.41
youcantcompthis
It's only 0.5 off a black label ad. So weird they didn't send it to PSA, but you know, that's kind of,

00:47:20.21
youcantcompthis
Not a complete deal breaker.

00:47:20.44
Adz
Wow.

00:47:23.40
youcantcompthis
But in terms of.

00:47:23.53
Adz
All right, so you'd rather the nebula than that?

00:47:25.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think so in terms of like pure aesthetics and also to the design on the mosaic, I probably prefer then to the select, but.

00:47:34.84
youcantcompthis
The snakeskin is cool.

00:47:35.08
Adz
You know what, you know what, something you said, something you said on the,

00:47:41.66
youcantcompthis
Oh, God, what did I do now?

00:47:42.72
Adz
No, no, no, no, no. I like the look of this card, I think. And look, both cards have got this. But I'm like, I like this because it's got your rookie shield. It's got his name clearly. And it' we're seeing we seeing the player front on, unlike all of the top cards.

00:47:52.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:47:57.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

00:47:59.46
Adz
And it says Spurs, but anyway. No, i think I think this is a really, this is a really beautiful card. So yeah, good price.

00:48:06.64
youcantcompthis
OK, so do you prefer the snakeskin over the nebula? Is that where you're going?

00:48:11.54
Adz
I would, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:12.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah, OK.

00:48:14.78
Adz
I don't know, just because coie it's a black and white uniform with the gray, I think this this suits.

00:48:22.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah, cool.

00:48:23.24
Adz
Whereas I think the Nebula, the the um the purple, the like the do you know what I mean? Like the blue purple stuff takes it out of the Spurs look.

00:48:29.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:48:33.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure.

00:48:34.50
Adz
So given in in true color match, style i would like the the black the the one that's got more of the color match on it yeah i i mean we're

00:48:42.76
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no. I mean, at this point, we're just really picking it. whatever we can, aren't we? You know, it's yeah a nebula versus a black snakeskin, you know.

00:48:53.64
Adz
just talking wenby one of ones because there's lots of them we

00:48:55.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. All right. Let's have a break. Then we'll come back. We'll just quick hit as much as we can for the last 15 minutes or so. We've got one more wimpy to go through, but that's okay. We can do that when we come back.

00:49:06.57
youcantcompthis
So yeah.

00:49:06.85
Adz
can we can hit off with that one Yeah.

00:49:15.83
youcantcompthis
And we are back. Adam, are you ready for some quick hitting? 15 minutes of you can't comp this.

00:49:24.90
Adz
Of quick hitting, uh, eye catching, uh, basketball, basketball card news.

00:49:28.77
youcantcompthis
When bees for starters. Yeah. Instagram alt X, Y, Z official.

00:49:36.40
Adz
Ooh.

00:49:36.82
youcantcompthis
Now this is a when be BGS 10 pristine. So that means 10 on all of the subgrades.

00:49:44.39
Adz
Yep.

00:49:45.69
youcantcompthis
bronze to 20. I've seen and held a bronze to 20 this year and they look absolutely fantastic.

00:49:52.91
Adz
Hmm.

00:49:54.78
youcantcompthis
I really like this card in terms of the design. Traditionally, Fastbreak don't do that well on the aftermarket, but I feel like that's starting to turn around a little bit. I've always felt there's a bit of value there on Fastbreak, but All I can say is that black label with the black Spurs uniform, you talk about color matches.

00:50:13.26
youcantcompthis
I think that's absolutely delicious and perfect. So yeah.

00:50:15.10
Adz
that's That's pretty amazing. The the the black label is...

00:50:18.22
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Extremely hard to get.

00:50:20.50
Adz
that's the one thing that That's the one thing that Beckett's got that PSA don't.

00:50:23.32
youcantcompthis
Yep. Do not have. Absolutely.

00:50:26.83
Adz
And and yeah.

00:50:27.49
youcantcompthis
Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, that's it. Congratulations. I think we leave it at that. Fanatics have been hacked. Now this is a little bit of an unsubstantiated story, but still I think interesting to talk about. This is from a listener Zane Sweet of the SCN universe. I think we can call that. I entered the fanatics drop for 2023 chrome basketball. I received an email saying I successfully entered the drop. I never received another email and under order history. I had nothing. However, I'm still charged by fanatics 700 and 200.

00:50:59.61
youcantcompthis
I call Fanatics customer service and the guy is outside with a rooster in the background. I mean working from home these days ad if you've got roosters in the background I mean fair enough and he says he cannot do anything because there's no order for him to investigate so I use the live support chat on Twitter and they tell me I have to contact my bank and to dispute the charge.

00:51:07.01
Adz
Hahahaha!

00:51:18.15
youcantcompthis
have screenshots. Bank of America is now saying I'm not eligible to dispute this because they are limited in their actions. It is it was an ACH, I'm not exactly too sure what that means, but that's since I do not have a tracking number or a history that my only option is to cancel the dispute with no refund. So the reason why I'm bringing this up is because of the modeling that fanatics wants to introduce If they have vulnerabilities in their processes, in their systems, this is the type of stuff they need to weed out immediately so that consumers can actually go into their products and be safe.

00:51:49.96
Adz
Mmm.

00:51:53.21
youcantcompthis
So for me, this is a two pronged um response, really. The first thing is here, fanatics need to make this guy whole and just refund him sight unseen, because if they're going to cut out all the middlemen, which is essentially what they want to do, they want to cut out all the distribution chains, they want to cut out the hobby shops, they want to cut out the breakers and just go straight to people.

00:52:13.70
youcantcompthis
That's fine. But then they need to take on the costs of doing that. And then the second part is too, is that

00:52:19.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:22.14
youcantcompthis
People need to be a little bit wary in terms of you know hacks that it's going around too, because like when I hear things like, I was talking to the customer service person, there's a rooster in the background.

00:52:28.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:32.04
youcantcompthis
I mean, did you actually call the right line? um And is the only support chat that you can access is via Twitter? like Surely Fanatics have got on their own website a proper support channel.

00:52:43.52
Adz
some yeah Something, something doesn't smell right with that, if that makes sense.

00:52:44.86
youcantcompthis
so

00:52:47.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think there's a lot going on here, but at the same time, too, it's also not completely unbelievable because I mean, I mean, my wife's Amazon account just got hacked this week.

00:52:54.17
Adz
Oh, of course, yeah,

00:52:57.58
youcantcompthis
And then there was someone calling her up saying, you know, you've been hacked. There's all these phones on there. Like, you know, it happens even to, you know, massive sites like Amazon. You know, that's my other point about this, too.

00:53:07.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:08.98
youcantcompthis
It's not just exclusive to fanatics on this. So final thoughts on that one. and

00:53:16.23
Adz
I was gonna make a joke about the early bird catching the worm with the roosters. but

00:53:23.92
youcantcompthis
But the rooster got it, yeah.

00:53:25.04
Adz
Yeah, that's it. I don't know. um Yeah, um um yep I'll leave it.

00:53:29.79
youcantcompthis
That's it, you're out.

00:53:31.11
Adz
I'm not convinced, but we'll see what happens.

00:53:35.27
youcantcompthis
So I think this story is really to summarize it in one line. This is about the failure of the shilling group, the alleged shilling group of Trae Young. So this is the Black Gold PSA 10 Panini Prism rookie card for Trae Young.

00:53:48.75
youcantcompthis
So in June of 2020, it sold for 30,000. September 2020, it sold for 41. March 2022 sold for 120,000.

00:53:55.75
Adz
Wow.

00:53:58.29
youcantcompthis
December 23 sold for 11,000. September 24, it sold for $10,070. So I think if you're a Trey Young collector and hoping for him to make a recovery, I think you should probably look at these numbers.

00:54:17.69
youcantcompthis
It was presented by five guards five card guys. Follow them on Instagram.

00:54:22.32
Adz
ah

00:54:23.32
youcantcompthis
They're a really good follow.

00:54:26.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, not great news. I actually think this is a little bit of a wake up call. You know, we do talk about shilling and how it's a bad thing, but when you see it like that, that's just, that's also in combination with, you know, COVID, but geez, that was bad.

00:54:35.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:39.77
Adz
It's pretty gross, isn't it?

00:54:44.28
youcantcompthis
Yep. What happened with Trae Young stuff?

00:54:47.43
Adz
It's pretty, it's pretty cooked.

00:54:49.28
youcantcompthis
All right, this one's really for me, this segment. This is for Nicole Yokek, Card Ladder Headlines, 2015 Orange Prism PSA 9.

00:54:53.73
Adz
Whoo. Yep.

00:54:59.05
youcantcompthis
Now we've actually talked a couple of Yokeks the last few weeks, so I don't need to go on this a lot, but I think this is really a trend that I am seeing. So basically since 2023, he's his on a sort of steady incline.

00:55:10.64
Adz
He's had it up.

00:55:11.03
youcantcompthis
I think I've really missed the boat on picking up a you know a nice cheap Yokek.

00:55:16.45
Adz
ah You know, maybe if Denver put in a bad 10 games to start the season, they might drop off a bit.

00:55:21.26
youcantcompthis
He might bottom out. Yeah, but jeez, I think um he's just had this very sustained organic growth, which I think is, you know, really well deserved. I think I was just too late.

00:55:29.68
Adz
I agree. It's well deserved. I yeah.

00:55:31.30
youcantcompthis
I was just too late on picking up the trend. And I think that's the that's the reality of the situation. Or I just sat too long on my hands.

00:55:35.78
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:37.04
youcantcompthis
That's another way. Anyway, congratulations to all the Nicole Yokey Colders. You. You are absolutely killing it. Prism Decca is here. So another word for deco is just increasing the print run basically to infinity. It's another way for Prism to add another 55 different variants into this. I'm actually not gonna go too deep on this ad. It's also Prism photo is being released around the same time. Now I think I'm gonna tie this back to one of our listener questions from Ryan at the start. Maybe deco isn't well received.

00:56:14.34
youcantcompthis
And it's a really good opportunity for people to get into cheap boxes, I think until we start to see the resale on eBay and we get a real sort of solid indication of what this is trading at.

00:56:27.51
Adz
What? What's Deca?

00:56:29.74
youcantcompthis
It's basically like another variant. So they've now got Prism Hobby, Prism Choice, Prism Fast Break, Prism Retail, Prism Blasters, Prism Hangars, Prism Decker.

00:56:43.24
Adz
But but it's it's the same product. Like it's just prism cards.

00:56:50.05
youcantcompthis
I think it's, I think it's different variants of, so for example, you know, the Luca on the front, like we don't have this particular variant in any other product.

00:56:50.73
Adz
So they just don't want to come up with another set name.

00:57:00.51
youcantcompthis
And here you go. This is like a ah splashy black and gold and a green splash, I suppose, if you want to call it that. This looks like a black splash.

00:57:08.65
Adz
Also includes amazing insert sets like Downtown Bound.

00:57:16.64
Adz
Is that suggesting that one day they'll get a Downtown Count made?

00:57:24.00
Adz
Ready to explode, they're ready to have a kaboom, I don't know.

00:57:28.04
youcantcompthis
Downtowns will be back in one and one. We just haven't seen that.

00:57:30.26
Adz
Yeah, no, no, I just, the insert set called Downtown Bound,

00:57:31.21
youcantcompthis
That hasn't surfaced yet.

00:57:35.69
Adz
Is it like a precursor to cards that they're thinking about putting in the downtown set, like in in one-on-one?

00:57:41.52
youcantcompthis
Mate, maybe.

00:57:42.61
Adz
It's just...

00:57:44.49
youcantcompthis
I mean, look, maybe this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, right?

00:57:45.95
Adz
Decade Dominant's brilliance.

00:57:47.63
youcantcompthis
And and this is what drops the, the price of prism, you know, down to, who knows?

00:57:52.69
Adz
And Floodgate's just open.

00:57:54.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of products, you know?

00:57:56.22
Adz
There's a... I was gonna say there's there's rookie shields on the cards.

00:58:00.87
youcantcompthis
Oh yeah 100%, it's a Prism product, yeah.

00:58:05.25
Adz
I don't get it.

00:58:06.62
youcantcompthis
Look, I'm really interested to see the price point of this and see how this sort of plays out.

00:58:10.19
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

00:58:12.42
youcantcompthis
I think there's still a place for choice because the Nebula is in choice, so people want that.

00:58:18.51
Adz
Sure. I just- I-

00:58:21.14
youcantcompthis
And there are people that want a parallel only product and they don't want to go through 250 base cards. So choice does appeal to some people.

00:58:28.29
Adz
Fair enough.

00:58:30.58
youcantcompthis
It's not for everyone. Some people hate that, but some people, you know, that's their cup of tea.

00:58:31.45
Adz
Yep.

00:58:35.45
youcantcompthis
So, yeah, look, anyway, I'm very wait and see on this. I'm not hyping this up.

00:58:41.70
Adz
Oh look, I'm not even, yep.

00:58:42.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:58:43.85
Adz
Yep. yeah.

00:58:44.24
youcantcompthis
Yep. This next one, add I'm going to move that to later because I wouldn't mind to have a proper chew on that. So let's go into the Jamal Murray extension because I'm actually excited to talk about this.

00:58:53.69
Adz
yeah yeah

00:58:54.87
youcantcompthis
So this is really good. Basically, I think in the simplest way to to talk about this is that you need to think about this for three years from now, not today, because today this is not great for their salary cap.

00:59:08.18
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:59:08.83
youcantcompthis
And there's a lot of posturing online about this in that they overpaid and they didn't even try to negotiate with him. And that's basically summarizing a few different people's opinions.

00:59:18.95
Adz
I think.

00:59:19.87
youcantcompthis
And there was the Hoops Collective did basically like half their podcasts about that point.

00:59:21.17
Adz
Mmm.

00:59:25.12
youcantcompthis
But I actually disagree because when the salary cap basically triples in the next few years, the future max is actually going to be 112 million.

00:59:25.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:34.89
Adz
Way more. Yeah, yeah.

00:59:36.16
youcantcompthis
So let's just say You know, this comes out to be around $45 to $50 million, dollars which I agree is high, and particularly when you pass it with all the other contracts.

00:59:44.79
Adz
Mmm.

00:59:46.60
youcantcompthis
I just also think for that roster continuity, and particularly when you've got someone like Nicole Yochik, who he pairs really well with, into future prices when you know that the salary cap is going up.

00:59:53.38
Adz
yeah Yep.

00:59:58.61
youcantcompthis
I don't actually have a problem with this. The other thing too is that I kind of view them as defending champs a little bit, because they weren't that terrible last year, they just had, they could have been better.

01:00:11.81
Adz
Well, they, they, they, they, yeah, but they, they did get knocked out well until they didn't get to the prize fight, but sure.

01:00:16.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah, they did. But at the same time, I don't really think their roster is that flawed that they couldn't be champions again. That's the in the back of my head where I'm where I'm sort of leading with that sort of commentary.

01:00:22.91
Adz
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Yep. Yep.

01:00:25.37
youcantcompthis
So I think that's the thing for me. I'm actually I think it's really important they come back. You know, the only devil's advocate I can make at this point is You do some outlandish stuff where you trade him away and you get like James Harden and then with that celery cap difference you get another twenty million dollar player but is that something that you know they could have done.

01:00:45.75
youcantcompthis
um I think actually the problem with their roster is going to be the guys like Zeke Naji who's getting like, pay ten million bucks next year.

01:00:52.10
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:53.61
youcantcompthis
If he doesn't crack the rotation he's getting paid ten million dollars. To me that's the one where I'm like,

01:00:58.59
Adz
Yeah, that's gonna be that that's problematic.

01:00:58.90
youcantcompthis
That's a problem. Yeah.

01:01:00.39
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

01:01:00.64
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:01:00.99
Adz
For sure.

01:01:02.14
youcantcompthis
Let's go full circle. Let's take this back to cards. This is from Instagram. It's clutch cards. Jamal Murray, one of one logarman from 22, 23, that sold for $11,000.

01:01:13.16
Adz
Okay.

01:01:15.63
youcantcompthis
Look, I think Murray is a really good buy. And my only sort of issue with him is that I just don't think the upside is there, even though he's ticked all the boxes in you know in all the right ways.

01:01:28.88
youcantcompthis
So let's look yeah let's look at his silver prison from 2016.

01:01:28.92
Adz
It's a sidekick. It's a sidekick. That's my thought, yeah.

01:01:33.87
youcantcompthis
The last sold on that was $216 for a PSA 10. We haven't talked about PSA 10 silvers for a couple of weeks, I feel like. ad so

01:01:41.18
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:41.81
youcantcompthis
We need to hit this pretty hard. Population on this is just 206. So for me, this ticks all the right boxes.

01:01:47.16
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:01:47.79
youcantcompthis
PSA 10, silver, relatively low population, championship player, you know, really good score. He's had some big games. I've got no problem with this. In fact, I'll call this a bye. But the real question for me is, you know, what's the upside on it?

01:02:02.29
youcantcompthis
You know, probably not a lot, but still at that price of $200, like that's going back to 2018 prices. You know, I think that's, look, I actually think that's a little bit of an insufficiency in the market, to be honest.

01:02:09.24
Adz
Yeah, that's true. I agree.

01:02:14.51
youcantcompthis
So, yeah. All right. Super quick hit up. I love this guy back in the day. Back in the day, John Henson has retired. I loved his defensive versatility.

01:02:27.15
Adz
No!

01:02:27.36
youcantcompthis
He had a seven, seven foot six wingspan. He was kind of one of those guys that I was like, why aren't you better? You know, why aren't you doing more? Anyway, he can never really got it together. He's 33 years old.

01:02:38.91
youcantcompthis
He's got a media career lined up to him. He's he's calling it a day. So, safe travels, friend. Enjoy your retirement. I hope you're having some cocktails on the beach somewhere.

01:02:47.27
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:49.98
youcantcompthis
yeah

01:02:51.61
Adz
That's pretty good. and Yeah, I like that.

01:02:54.77
youcantcompthis
I reckon this one we should finish the show on actually. Yeah, this is like a really... All right, maybe we'll finish it on this one. We've probably got time for one more.

01:03:02.24
Adz
All right.

01:03:02.74
youcantcompthis
This is just a weird one from Twitter at JCS Collects. What I'm learning is to not sleep on is $1 cards. Being starting to put someone up on eBay, it adds up.

01:03:13.98
youcantcompthis
Once it up, you don't have to do anything until it sells rather than let it sit in a box forever. And this is the... This is the COM-CA argument, isn't it? Which we haven't done the COM-CA yet.

01:03:22.82
Adz
Mmm.

01:03:23.93
youcantcompthis
This is the perfect segue into that. Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Go to their three noodles on the left hand side. Click on COM-CA.

01:03:34.81
youcantcompthis
Fill out the form. Send all of your cards to Ross. He will put them up onto his website. At the end of the month, he'll send you basically the money from the cards that have sold. It's exactly the same principle as COM-CA.

01:03:47.22
youcantcompthis
This is really just the COMC versus eBay argument.

01:03:50.58
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:51.10
youcantcompthis
And then you've got, hopefully, significantly less fees when you're selling with the Ross instead of, you know, the 18% plus the shipping fees that you sell with eBay at the moment, isn't it?

01:04:00.95
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:01.80
youcantcompthis
So, yeah.

01:04:02.14
Adz
eBay fees are a bit of a killer. For sure.

01:04:05.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's the perfect segue into it. So, yeah, also on US s sports cards Australia, you can buy

01:04:13.31
youcantcompthis
sealed product, protectable stuff. They've also got some breaks listed on there too. Wrestling, soccer, ice hockey, baseball, NFL, they do the absolute lot. So, yep.

01:04:23.97
Adz
Nice.

01:04:26.24
youcantcompthis
Last one, Adam, we'll call it a night.

01:04:26.48
Adz
Very nice. Yeah.

01:04:30.93
youcantcompthis
Big three power rankings from basketball forever.

01:04:34.12
Adz
let's

01:04:38.25
Adz
Let's... Okay.

01:04:40.10
youcantcompthis
So this actually gives me a little bit of internal piece because last year I called Paul Zingas the number one, number three man.

01:04:41.59
Adz
Mmm.

01:04:48.61
youcantcompthis
And that's pretty much what he's been listed by basketball forever this year. So.

01:04:52.47
Adz
I'd like to put a counter-argument for Derek White into that big 3-bit anyway.

01:04:57.21
youcantcompthis
Of course you do.

01:04:58.99
Adz
US Olympian, Derek White, I might add.

01:05:01.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:05:02.62
Adz
US gold medal winner, Derek White.

01:05:04.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:05:06.94
youcantcompthis
So.

01:05:06.97
Adz
Which is more than we can say for Jaylen Brown. Anyway.

01:05:09.18
youcantcompthis
Yeah, looking at this picture, I don't think these are in order because they've got Luca on the left and then the middle Clay and then Kyrie, but I think Kyrie should be them if it's in that particular order.

01:05:17.22
Adz
Kyrie.

01:05:20.62
youcantcompthis
Maybe it's not. So I'm going Clay Thompson is the third there. I've already made my argument that Paul George is the third in Philadelphia.

01:05:25.33
Adz
True.

01:05:27.86
youcantcompthis
I think Maxie is the second. Could be controversial.

01:05:31.37
Adz
Do you i reckon and Steve Kerr had a hand in this and put Jalen Brown before Tatum?

01:05:35.87
youcantcompthis
Oh, I didn't actually look at that. So maybe this is out of order, actually. That doesn't make sense then, does it?

01:05:43.35
Adz
Embiid's the first, Lillard's the first, there's no way, nah, there's no way.

01:05:47.14
youcantcompthis
It's out of order, yeah.

01:05:48.19
Adz
It has to be out of order.

01:05:48.59
youcantcompthis
Because Yarnas should be.

01:05:49.97
Adz
Rudy Gobert is not the number one guy in Minnesota.

01:05:52.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And then on the flip side, if it's the person in the middle, then Clay, then Lucas should be the middle, not Clay Thompson.

01:05:59.55
Adz
Yep.

01:06:00.66
youcantcompthis
Oh, wait, you agreed with me.

01:06:01.29
Adz
or Kyrie should be.

01:06:01.90
youcantcompthis
I thought you're going to say, oh, no, that's right. Clay Thompson should be in the middle.

01:06:03.82
Adz
I said it's outright, it should be Kyrie in the middle.

01:06:05.90
youcantcompthis
yeah

01:06:08.57
Adz
I agree that Luke is not, but anyway.

01:06:11.40
youcantcompthis
Hey, so for the wolves, who have you got for the third? Have you got Cat?

01:06:15.04
Adz
Go bear.

01:06:16.28
youcantcompthis
Oh, you got Go Bear.

01:06:18.73
Adz
ah I don't know.

01:06:18.78
youcantcompthis
I'm actually thinking at this point in his career is actually Cat the third.

01:06:21.91
Adz
Cap might be the third. the The number one guy in Minnesota is Anthony Edwards.

01:06:26.10
youcantcompthis
Oh, yeah, sorry. No debate about that.

01:06:27.54
Adz
Without a doubt, yeah.

01:06:27.87
youcantcompthis
ah I was that that wasn't even a conversation for me.

01:06:29.78
Adz
I don't know. I don't know if Go- Is Go-Bear really? Hmm. Yeah, I guess. It's tough between those two.

01:06:36.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:36.89
Adz
He defensive fly the he's that is.

01:06:42.03
youcantcompthis
All right. Perfect way to end the show. Adam, thank you for a lovely show. I really appreciate it.

01:06:47.34
Adz
Thanks for another lovely evening of ah banter.

01:06:51.64
youcantcompthis
Didn't actually do that much cards to be today.

01:06:53.95
Adz
We did a little bit. We looked at a a silver prism.

01:06:55.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:06:57.92
youcantcompthis
We looked at one.

01:06:59.72
Adz
It's the off-season, I guess.

01:07:01.06
youcantcompthis
All right.

01:07:01.11
Adz
we we we We probably need to get back to some of the card ladder, card versus card stuff, maybe.

01:07:05.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:07:06.46
Adz
Maybe in the lead up to the the new season, because we are, it's a training camp stage now, like...

01:07:10.08
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I think we are in the off season, but we can overcompensate next week.

01:07:14.61
Adz
We are.

01:07:15.95
youcantcompthis
We can just do like hardcore numbers, you know, if for 40 for 45 minutes.

01:07:18.96
Adz
Dollar cards, all the way.

01:07:21.01
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

01:07:21.75
Adz
Let's see.

01:07:21.95
youcantcompthis
Just go hard.

01:07:23.93
Adz
It'd be good. It was a good, it was good. It was good to do another mailbag except, yeah, list this. When we do a mailbag, this is your opportunity to ask us questions.

01:07:32.91
youcantcompthis
Not make statements.

01:07:34.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:38.52
Adz
You know they'll just turn their statements into questions now and be just as confusing.

01:07:43.17
youcantcompthis
More confusing probably for me.

01:07:44.15
Adz
Probably, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:44.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:07:46.03
Adz
They're just a question mark at the end of it. The same statement with a question mark. Oh goodness. ah But yes, we do appreciate all the all the kind words, all the questions, all the statements, all the support.

01:07:59.25
Adz
So thanks everybody for listening and we'll ah we'll see you next week.

01:07:59.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah.