Episode 166: Western Conference Prospecting Preview

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Adam and Russell go through every team in the Western conference and highlight key players who we think will impact the hobby market this year.
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00:00:00.01
Adz
Go down that rabbit hole.

00:00:02.21
youcantcompthis
We are recording.

00:00:14.56
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 166 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson, and we're back from our emergency pod earlier in the week.

00:00:28.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah, apologies about the sound quality, everyone. It wasn't my finest moment in a sound engineering.

00:00:31.99
Adz
Oh look, it was an emergency. ah It was an emergency Russell, it's okay.

00:00:38.86
youcantcompthis
You know my opinion about poor sound quality, so...

00:00:41.65
Adz
I know, I know, but calm down. it's Remember they say don't panic in emergency.

00:00:46.64
youcantcompthis
Barely slept all week, mate.

00:00:46.87
Adz
it

00:00:47.84
youcantcompthis
Look at me, I'm like a mess.

00:00:49.65
Adz
ah

00:00:50.49
youcantcompthis
Eyes hanging out of my head, just been chain-smoking and drinking straight black coffee, like mainlining it, you know?

00:00:52.24
Adz
oh

00:00:56.36
Adz
I thought you were just um missing the NBA. I thought you were just sort of craving the beginning of the season to start.

00:01:03.22
youcantcompthis
Nah, I just look like this because it's end the end of school holidays, man. They're back to school tomorrow, so.

00:01:08.04
Adz
It'll be time for some some recovery, rest and recuperation.

00:01:10.70
youcantcompthis
That's it. Some dad time.

00:01:13.04
Adz
That's it.

00:01:15.15
youcantcompthis
All right. You want to get straight into it?

00:01:18.34
Adz
Yeah, let's get stuck straight into it. Because I mean, we did have the emergency pod in the middle, but previously we went through the the Eastern Conference.

00:01:25.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:01:26.31
Adz
um I guess it's it's only fair that that we we give the West its time.

00:01:31.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Look, I actually really enjoyed doing this last week, and we did run over time, which is very, you can't comp this flavor, but at the same time, we ah made some small changes to the run sheet this week, so we'll just do two players per team. And we'll try not to segue if we can, but you know, we'll most likely will.

00:01:51.20
youcantcompthis
But I think you know you can almost do this over four episodes do the sort of because what I when we limited it down to two players per team I think What will maybe be a bit different this week is maybe there's less sort of lower end prospecting.

00:01:56.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:05.33
youcantcompthis
It's more looking at the the top guys So you can almost do like a top guys episode then you could do like a bottom guys episode That probably didn't come out right did it you could do a ah more of a prospecting episode and

00:02:06.94
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:02:19.29
Adz
All kinds of prospecting with with that.

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youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:22.68
Adz
um So yeah, but what you mean is you you you look at our veteran players and and the ones that have sort of they've got their careers established that the LeBron's the staffs of the of the calendar.

00:02:24.45
youcantcompthis
And so.

00:02:28.04
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:02:31.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Cause particularly in the West, it's actually a really good time just to go and look at, you know, what's actually happening at the top. So for example, what's going on with Steph Curry? What's happening with LeBron?

00:02:41.97
Adz
yeah Yeah, for sure.

00:02:42.05
youcantcompthis
Devin Booker. What's going on with Anthony Edwards?

00:02:43.54
Adz
For sure.

00:02:44.64
youcantcompthis
What's happening with Wembley? Like it's actually going to be a really good episode to sort of, you know, go through some of this because, and just sort of get your head around what's happening in the league.

00:02:46.86
Adz
o Oh, then you

00:02:51.71
youcantcompthis
So.

00:02:52.06
Adz
I mean, we could always touch on that in a couple of weeks. We could, we could once we've had a look at some of the pre-season stuff.

00:02:57.19
youcantcompthis
Well, You've been talking about doing a Patreon website and the idea is, is growing on me. i I think I was probably not enthusiastic when you first mentioned it, but I think that will be the type of content where we could go.

00:03:10.00
Adz
Really deep dive.

00:03:10.02
youcantcompthis
So this is our sort of, yeah, this is our main episode.

00:03:11.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:13.07
youcantcompthis
We're going to do all the big dogs. And if you want to come and nerd out with us on Patreon, you know, come and join us here for whatever.

00:03:17.32
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:19.05
youcantcompthis
So anyway, all right, let's get.

00:03:19.65
Adz
I like it. They can really say behind the curtain and how nerdy we can really get.

00:03:22.44
youcantcompthis
so That's right. How nerdy can we make this show? yeah Alright, let's get started. We're going to do the Warriors first. We'll do Steph Curry.

00:03:32.75
Adz
We're definitely not doing this alphabetically then are we?

00:03:36.81
youcantcompthis
I'm not too sure how ESPN does it, but I just, I found an ESPN list and I just went through it like that. So don't blame me, blame yeah ESPN.

00:03:43.07
Adz
That's fair.

00:03:46.95
youcantcompthis
but Steph Curry is a good one to start with actually because, you know, he's the player that's won a heap of championships in like right in front of our eyes and, you know, sort of very recency.

00:03:56.12
Adz
Yeah Agreed

00:03:57.82
youcantcompthis
If you talk of friend to the podcast, which is Ryan from gem rate, he thinks Steph Curry is basically the best modern purchase that you can do.

00:04:07.73
youcantcompthis
I actually found a, It's like sort of a buyback slash like redemption card where it was one of the rookie cards that was then sent back and then he signed it and then like reissued to the collector. And one sold an authenticated one for 6,000 US recently. And i look, I'm denied on it because obviously at the price point, but you know when you get that sort of lingering regret of not making a purchase, I haven't been able to find one since. so

00:04:35.60
Adz
and Yeah, that's annoying.

00:04:35.97
youcantcompthis
That's also a bit of a sort of a mention for this, but in terms of straight up pricing and Pop reports, so we've got here the 2009 TOPS card number 321.

00:04:46.66
youcantcompthis
I'll just say that just because there is a fair few different Steph rookie cards, yeah.

00:04:49.01
Adz
There's a few variations, yeah.

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youcantcompthis
Population on this is 372. The last sold price was 4,400. If you look at the all-time graph, it's actually been, you know, obviously really up, up to sort of $18,500 during COVID.

00:05:01.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:02.40
youcantcompthis
So it's obviously down quite a bit since then. Look, we're gonna talk some insane POPs, and I don't wanna spoil this for later on in the show, but when we get to Spurs, it is absolutely, out of this world.

00:05:13.54
youcantcompthis
So when you hear stuff like this, actually, I think this is, you know, this is really appealing. Obviously, you can look at the black to 50, you can look at the gold to 2009, but the price points on like even the gold, you know, that's $26,000.

00:05:18.61
Adz
Well, I think, yeah

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youcantcompthis
So it's not something that you just do on a whim. But look,

00:05:32.97
Adz
only one of the black ones.

00:05:35.81
youcantcompthis
at PSA 10, yeah,

00:05:36.69
Adz
In a 10, yeah. Bunch of Beckett nines, yeah, wow. Geez, that'd be one to have, wouldn't it?

00:05:42.01
youcantcompthis
You know, we really are going into the twilight of Steph's career. So it's almost, I think this is what we're going to get. I think he's going to add to his resume, but I don't think it's going to be and MVPs.

00:05:48.34
Adz
Yeah.

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youcantcompthis
I don't think it's going to be scoring titles or even another championship at this point, unless something, you know, dramatic happens. But look, I like this as a buy.

00:05:57.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:58.69
youcantcompthis
I think Steph Curry in general is, that's actually probably the best way to say it. Steph Curry in general is just the buy at the moment.

00:06:06.04
Adz
Yeah. Agreed.

00:06:08.86
youcantcompthis
Jonathan Kominga on the other hand is a little bit of a different kettle of fish. This is a funny one, not on card ladder. So this is just 130 point data. Last sold prices on the silver PSA 10 195 200 181 175 192. Look, i I actually love Kominga as a prospect and I like his game and I think he's a good NBA player. Would I spend $200 on this card? I definitely wouldn't. Two reasons why he's not a point guard or he's not, you know, a shooting guard.

00:06:36.53
Adz
Mm. Kaminga's an interesting one, isn't he?

00:06:39.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah the other thing too I think and there was a lot of said about this and I probably disagree with most of it but there is a small tiny part of it I do agree with is that Steve Kerr does have a trouble using particular players in his system and you either fit into his system or you don't and so there's this is sort of narrative around that Steve Kerr ruined James Wiseman's career you know he couldn't use Jason Tatum at the Olympics because he

00:06:52.93
Adz
Yup.

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Adz
Couldn't use Tatum or didn't want to use Tatum.

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youcantcompthis
I'm actually more leaning towards he couldn't put him into his system. That actually makes more sense in my head without going like too segwayed.

00:07:15.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:16.71
youcantcompthis
But you think about how far at the back end of his career LeBron is. It's actually a very difficult argument to make that Tatum isn't better than LeBron right now.

00:07:27.71
Adz
Mmm.

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youcantcompthis
And so is it just that LeBron fit better into his system as opposed to what Jason Tatum did? That part I can, I kind of get, I can understand that. But anyway, moving back to Kaminga, you can sort of make the argument that he's not being utilized properly.

00:07:40.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:43.09
youcantcompthis
And if he had a trade, maybe his performance would uptick.

00:07:43.99
Adz
Yep.

00:07:46.08
youcantcompthis
So in that case, you kind of go actually that 175, that 200 is not too bad. Look, I would tread very carefully in in this space with Kaminga. That's probably my like, you know, one line summary of this.

00:08:00.25
youcantcompthis
Final thoughts on the worries, buddy?

00:08:02.72
Adz
I think um Steph will be the focal point to personally like I mean it'd be interesting maybe at some point through the season to see what Draymond's up to as far as his cards and stuff but yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens this season ah but I'm very very curious to know what this um iteration of the Twilight Warriors I guess is gonna is gonna bring to the uh the new NBA season and see if they can rebuild

00:08:11.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:08:26.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:08:32.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think that's fair enough. So the quiet landed one, sorry, moving on to the clippers, we'll do quiet landed. Look, this to me is a really funny one because I actually couldn't find sort of like a true rookie card for him.

00:08:48.64
Adz
Because the that was the the lockout, wasn't it?

00:08:51.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:08:52.24
Adz
So the 2012 Prism is the is the rookie Prism card.

00:08:56.18
youcantcompthis
Maybe that is the better one to do, but I actually, so we can do both, but I'll just do this one really quickly.

00:09:01.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:02.77
youcantcompthis
2011 SP authentic choir Leonard. PSA 10. He is in a San Diego uniform. Like it's all true. It's selling for 20 bucks.

00:09:12.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:12.80
youcantcompthis
And My general rule of thumb is that, you know, stay away from sort of non-authentic stuff, go very easily when it comes to college, but there's also always exceptions to rules.

00:09:24.52
youcantcompthis
And I think when you've got someone like Kwai Leonard with the resume that he's had, I actually think he's someone who's underappreciated in the hobby. So I'm going to put this down as a purchase. I really like this.

00:09:33.22
Adz
um Okay.

00:09:34.25
youcantcompthis
I think for $20 at PSA 10,

00:09:38.24
youcantcompthis
I think you buy that and there's not a lot of downside on that.

00:09:39.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:42.22
youcantcompthis
I think that's probably where I'm sort of heading with that.

00:09:44.23
Adz
My, my thought would be the 2012 prism. So there is a silver prism of that one, which is currently

00:09:45.58
youcantcompthis
So do you think it's better if we look at the 2012 select or prism or something might do?

00:09:50.04
Adz
um my my thought would be the two thousand and twelve prism

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youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:09:54.99
Adz
so there is a silver prism of that one which is currently and the pop count and that's 44.

00:10:01.01
youcantcompthis
Sure.

00:10:02.23
Adz
So, yeah, 2012, obviously, because they they didn't have the 2011 release, both rookie classes were included.

00:10:08.09
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:10.35
Adz
um There's no rookie shield on any of these cards either.

00:10:13.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah. That's where I find that a little bit tricky.

00:10:14.25
Adz
So Clay Thompson, Draymond, there's a few of these players that are in this draft class.

00:10:15.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:10:19.95
youcantcompthis
I do find that difficult. I think just me being, you know, a bit of a simpleton, I think without the rookie logo, I find that hard to sort of associate as being like a rookie card.

00:10:25.40
Adz
Mm.

00:10:28.74
youcantcompthis
I know that's a bit of a cop out, but yeah.

00:10:32.00
Adz
So the reason I would say this has been regarded in the hobby by others as the as the rookie card.

00:10:39.57
youcantcompthis
ye Yeah.

00:10:39.77
Adz
The PSA 10 silver, pop count of 44. I'm just gonna check the Beckett numbers. nop There's not much in Beckett that's gonna offset it. I'm gonna be looking at pop count of 44 in the PSA 10, prism silver.

00:10:54.65
Adz
Last sold for 2,300. Now, over the ah that is down 65% over the last two years.

00:11:02.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:11:03.99
Adz
I wanna, should I go?

00:11:04.43
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:11:07.78
Adz
I mean, all time numbers. During the 2021, everybody buy all the cards period, it was over 25K.

00:11:17.01
youcantcompthis
Imagine if you paid 26,000 for that, you'd be just like rolling over when you.

00:11:17.09
Adz
But this card,

00:11:20.47
Adz
but two, all right, so over two years ago, this card was trading at 6,500 US.

00:11:25.14
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:11:26.29
Adz
And over the last two years, it has declined somewhat. In the last 12 months, it's steadied out. It's pretty much around the $2,500 mark.

00:11:36.61
youcantcompthis
Look, I'm pretty sure most people know my opinion on Quylan. Even if he never plays another game again, I still think he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame first ballot.

00:11:45.20
Adz
No doubt.

00:11:45.28
youcantcompthis
I think he has an amazing like, resume in Korea. And I think the reason why he's overlooked is because of his personality and personality type. I'm gonna push back on this really quickly.

00:11:54.47
Adz
Yep.

00:11:55.08
youcantcompthis
I just found a 2012 National Treasures um horizontal RPA, BGS 9.5.

00:12:01.68
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:12:01.89
youcantcompthis
beautiful on-card autograph game worn patch because that was the era that, you know, that was from that sold for 3000 flat, $3,056. I would rather have that than the silver piece a 10, even though the pop you you pointed out like a good card and a low pop, I get that.

00:12:14.50
Adz
Wow.

00:12:18.33
youcantcompthis
But at the same time, there's not a heap of quiet landed autographs floating around. And when there's not that much profit price difference, I'm kind of like that looks pretty good to me, to be honest. So

00:12:27.86
Adz
yeah

00:12:28.39
youcantcompthis
Yep. All right, really quickly on this one, Terrence Mann has just been re-signed with the Clippers three years for 47 million with Paul George moving across to Philadelphia.

00:12:39.19
youcantcompthis
I do see them more opportunity for Terrence Mann shots, playmaking, all the rest of it. Population on this is 452. PSA 10 silver last sold for $15.

00:12:50.42
youcantcompthis
There's no way that goes down. That's gonna double, maybe triple this year.

00:12:55.16
Adz
Yep.

00:12:55.22
youcantcompthis
That's my um my low key prospecting tip for

00:12:58.32
Adz
There we go, Taran's man.

00:12:59.38
youcantcompthis
for the Clippers. Los Angeles Lakers LeBron James. You want to do this one?

00:13:05.32
Adz
we can we can ah you you can You can start with the Lakers.

00:13:08.48
youcantcompthis
all right two thousand and

00:13:09.32
Adz
I was trying to find of a different trying a different player, but I couldn't, so.

00:13:12.52
youcantcompthis
That's okay. 2003 tops Chrome. This is the base BGS. I went with BGS on this one just because that was the era where BGS was king and not PSA population on this is 161.

00:13:21.76
Adz
Yep.

00:13:24.89
youcantcompthis
This last sold for $15,000. If you do look at the PSA 10 though. Oh, that's real interesting. That's sold for 3,900. That is such a weird role reversal.

00:13:39.69
Adz
Wow.

00:13:42.08
youcantcompthis
Okay well in that case definitely the PSA is worth buying. Okay oh man the population on this is sky high though 2,339.

00:13:50.09
Adz
But I have to admit that the BGS 10 versus p BGS 9.5.

00:13:51.77
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:13:57.97
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:13:58.56
Adz
Is that where the parallel is?

00:14:01.47
youcantcompthis
My brother tried to convince me this the other night.

00:14:01.75
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like,

00:14:03.53
youcantcompthis
No I'm sorry no it's not. 9.5 is not 10. Like as simple as that.

00:14:07.70
Adz
But that's what I mean, like but a BGS 10 is selling for what?

00:14:08.32
youcantcompthis
Yeah yeah.

00:14:12.95
Adz
$15,000.

00:14:15.16
youcantcompthis
Oh, yeah, right. I see what you're saying.

00:14:17.04
Adz
And a BGS 9.5 is selling for 1,620.

00:14:17.16
youcantcompthis
Yep. Yep. Yep.

00:14:21.73
Adz
And is, geez, that's a roller coaster over the last, let's go the last year then. But yeah, still pretty roller coastery. It's gone from anywhere from 1,500 anywhere up until, what, three and a half thousand.

00:14:34.26
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, okay, so I think for me the real question is, is this a buy hold or sell, right? Because if you look at the graph here, we are definitely on a pretty steady decline. If you do zoom in a little bit closer, let's go to the last month, it's actually still down 7%.

00:14:46.87
youcantcompthis
So let's just round that up to 10%. How much more is this gonna go down? So I actually think the play here is, because I think overall Lebron rookies are a buy. I think this is gonna be like sort of a Jordan card where it's like a liquid card, you can always like flip it over, roll it over.

00:15:01.47
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:15:02.63
youcantcompthis
And so the real question is, is it, when do you hop on and you know, when do you hop off? I think it's really interesting to me that actually this is going down. So it could just be, you know, the the saturation of the market, international banking, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff.

00:15:14.94
Adz
Mmm That's true It is and it's well there's not much more to go into the LeBron James legacy, I guess Surely there's not much more.

00:15:17.50
youcantcompthis
But yeah. So look, maybe keep an eye on this and jump in when it keeps, you know, dipping down to it like a really low price. Yeah. Because it's a blue chip stock, so to speak.

00:15:36.68
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:15:39.15
Adz
We're in year 22

00:15:39.96
youcantcompthis
yep well if he keeps doing these Netflix that would be um yeah I mean that actually makes sense doesn't it but if he keeps doing these Netflix specials maybe they'll keep going up

00:15:41.50
Adz
Is he gonna retire after year 23? Cause that was his jersey number, like that's... Yeah,

00:15:54.87
Adz
you gotta get some some props to the man, I'll tell you what.

00:15:58.96
youcantcompthis
Anthony Davis silver PSA 10 population on this 33 last sold for 1425. Look, I don't want to dip into this at that price.

00:16:09.38
youcantcompthis
I respect and I love Anthony Davis's game, but I think for me, this is like a really weird high end PC item and you know, nothing more than that. So, yeah.

00:16:19.93
Adz
Yeah, yeah. AD is a tough one. I think it's, yeah, he's never really had a big following.

00:16:29.96
youcantcompthis
Alright, we're going to go to our first break. We've only done two shows in 15 minutes, but that doesn't matter. like or We just have to keep the show must go on. US sports. Let me try that again. US sports cards Australia. Thank you so much for your ongoing support and your Future pledge to keep supporting our show, we're very, very grateful for you. Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Now the main thing that Ross wants me to plug here is his CommCA, which is essentially a consignment services. You send all of your cards to Ross, he lists them online, he sells them for you, he posts them out, sends you the money, it's all taken care of. If you're a break up and you've got a box of cards sitting in your office,

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00:17:39.07
Adz
I'm good, I'm good, I'm ready to talk more cards. I'm very, very ready to talk more cards.

00:17:44.24
youcantcompthis
Phoenix Suns, Devin Booker, let's do this. all Alrighty, is Devin Booker a buy, a hold, or a sell? Silver PSA 10, $807, population on this 230. Just come off an Olympic campaign and he absolutely looked the goods. Where are you at at with Devin Booker?

00:18:04.28
Adz
He's a tough one for me. He's, it's not that he's

00:18:07.78
youcantcompthis
He's my Anthony Davis, you know what I mean?

00:18:09.74
Adz
Yeah, yeah, he feels in that same way that he's ah he's a good performer, don't get me wrong.

00:18:16.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:16.95
Adz
It's just hobby wise, I just don't think there's, he lacks for ruzia factor.

00:18:17.01
youcantcompthis
Amazing basketball player. Yeah.

00:18:25.05
youcantcompthis
Interesting.

00:18:26.32
Adz
I don't know what it is, he's just, he goes to work, he does his job. but um There are a lot of people, well, funny you say Anthony Edwards, because I was talking about this with friends, and early days, early Booker,

00:18:29.72
youcantcompthis
Yeah. He's not an Anthony Edwards athlete to your point.

00:18:36.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:18:40.55
Adz
A friend of mine did say that the conch was going to be part, the Kobe conch was going to be passed and Devin Booker was the man to to step up and become the next Kobe Bryant. And I'm like, couldn't really see it.

00:18:51.71
youcantcompthis
Really, I'm just gonna say I've never, yeah, enough.

00:18:53.16
Adz
Couldn't see it. He's a Phoenix fan, so we'll we'll give him benefit of the doubt. But last year, Anthony, well, last year, Anthony Edwards stepped up and grabbed that conch.

00:18:58.24
youcantcompthis
I think he's drinking the Phoenix Kool-Aid too much, man. He needs to ease up.

00:19:03.51
Adz
And I think that's, he's not exciting. There's nothing exciting about Devin Booker.

00:19:08.45
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:19:10.38
Adz
So I mean, I'm not discounting those that do collect him. Um, I do think he'll be a steady, steady investment, but I don't.

00:19:17.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:19:18.70
Adz
I just, I just don't see it being a sky's the limit kind of card.

00:19:22.16
youcantcompthis
I think my deal with Booker is like, where does his card sit in 10 years? Like just, I'm not trying to trash the guy or anything like that, but just be pragmatic.

00:19:31.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:31.52
youcantcompthis
You know, if he doesn't win a championship, he never wins the scoring title. Like this is not an $800 card. It's probably.

00:19:37.42
Adz
Oh, wait this sounds like one of the arguments I'm gonna make when we get to da to Dallas. Anyway.

00:19:43.01
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So yeah.

00:19:44.51
Adz
But yeah, you're you're you're right. I was actually gonna say, when you say, where does your card look in 10 years? the leb Back to LeBron, that peak during COVID where it went bonkers, maybe that's the 10 year price.

00:19:50.49
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:19:53.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:19:57.46
Adz
That's where you expect that card to traje like to to track in 10 years.

00:20:01.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:20:01.88
Adz
But Booker, I don't know. it's ah It's a plateau for me.

00:20:05.95
youcantcompthis
Yeah, Kevin Durant is our next one. And look, there's a heap of different cards you can look at for KD, but I've just taken sort of the easy way out 2007 tops, which is the white boarded card PSA 10.

00:20:15.38
Adz
Mm.

00:20:17.31
youcantcompthis
The pop on this is just insane 3124 trading at $143. Look, I think at this price point, I don't have a, you know, a big issue with this.

00:20:28.81
youcantcompthis
I wouldn't touch anything less than a PSA 10 on this because I just think this is no real, you know, need to.

00:20:36.54
Adz
Mm.

00:20:36.67
youcantcompthis
And I think also to the population. So you look at the population on a nine, it's 9,000. So just on those two cards alone, you're looking at what, 12,000, nearly 13,000 cards.

00:20:46.95
youcantcompthis
That's just, and

00:20:47.84
Adz
Yeah, I'm just, I'm trying to see if there's any value in any of the other variations.

00:20:54.93
youcantcompthis
Look, I actually wonder with someone like Katie's, you just either put your big boy pants on and get, you know, a rookie autograph or something like that, or you just don't touch this stuff at all.

00:21:05.58
youcantcompthis
Unless it's, of course for your PC, if it's a PC, and then you're probably really enjoying this, you know, getting a guy who's got an insane resume, maybe even better than quiet Leonard, or maybe not anyway, but in the same sentence.

00:21:08.54
Adz
Hmm.

00:21:19.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:20.38
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Not really that appreciated by the hobby.

00:21:21.33
Adz
Yeah. Do you, do you look at one of the, the, the blackboarded ones?

00:21:24.80
youcantcompthis
Sure, you can.

00:21:26.11
Adz
Cause they're there, there's a pop count there of 148. So that 150 marks, not too bad.

00:21:33.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:21:33.24
Adz
800 bucks last sold.

00:21:35.10
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:21:36.95
Adz
But you're, yeah, you're right. I think it's, it's a, it's an interesting roller coaster that Kevin Durant's career is on.

00:21:42.95
youcantcompthis
yeah Not loved, I think that's probably the main thing to say.

00:21:46.92
Adz
Yeah, maybe maybe that he built that narrative though.

00:21:52.89
youcantcompthis
Sacramento King's De'Aaron Fox. Okay, Silver PSA 10 pop on this 589, sold for 164. Look, there's been a lot of hype around this guy and there's been a lot of hype created by celebrity influences, you know, Gary Vee pumped this guy up to the absolute moon.

00:22:11.47
youcantcompthis
Look, for a pretty steady amount of time, these were trading for around 600 Aussie.

00:22:16.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:17.06
youcantcompthis
And that kind of seemed like that was the price you just had to pay. Obviously, I was very wrong about that, you know, they've come down significantly since then. Look, I don't, obviously, this is, you know, very conflicting for me.

00:22:27.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:30.45
youcantcompthis
I i PC this guy, but actually, I don't mind this at that price. You know, I think that there's probably a bit of room to move on this. The Kings had actually a bit of a down year last year.

00:22:43.74
Adz
That's what I was going to say.

00:22:44.02
youcantcompthis
ah

00:22:44.58
Adz
Is success going to be one of those factors?

00:22:46.64
youcantcompthis
Again, i'm you know obviously I'm biased here, but I sort of am anticipating the Kings are gonna have more of an up year this year, despite how loaded the Western Conference is. So look, I like this at this price, but maybe it's better to get a more unbiased opinion from yourself on this one.

00:22:57.12
Adz
Hmm Look I think the price points really good for Fox. I think he's actually undervalued at this point.

00:23:03.32
youcantcompthis
Interesting, interesting.

00:23:05.29
Adz
I think he's a I think he's a 200 plus Card and I think that current that 165 is kind of a really a good point to be at to the point where you like do you do you look at variations

00:23:07.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I'm fine with that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:23:22.10
youcantcompthis
You can, but some of that stuff is crazy. It's a really big jump up from the silver.

00:23:26.71
Adz
Yeah, I know, I'm looking at the Fastbreak Purple to 75, because I do like a good color match.

00:23:27.30
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:23:31.56
youcantcompthis
Oh, you do.

00:23:32.31
Adz
It's a different purple though. Last sold, $718.

00:23:36.01
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yep.

00:23:37.03
Adz
You know what I mean? Like this, it's like, oh.

00:23:38.27
youcantcompthis
That's a thousand bucks plus for a fast break card. Like the straight purple, there's, that's probably more you could look at, but I think again, that would go.

00:23:44.65
Adz
We straight purple, 1,560 pop 17.

00:23:48.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yep.

00:23:51.39
Adz
Is that, it yeah all right, so if you're you're presented with this one for 1,500, The purple to 75 for Fox.

00:23:57.92
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:23:58.70
Adz
Are you on that? Is that a buy or is that a stay away for you?

00:24:00.44
youcantcompthis
No.

00:24:03.68
youcantcompthis
I think that stuff is really tricky.

00:24:03.90
Adz
As a Fox collector.

00:24:05.32
youcantcompthis
So like take that back to the Devin Booker stuff.

00:24:08.28
Adz
Hmm.

00:24:08.50
youcantcompthis
Like if you're thinking about buying, if it's a quick clip, that's fine. If you think there's an angle to play, like a hundred percent respect that, but probably where my head as it is at the moment, it's like, what am I buying to hold on to for 10 years?

00:24:21.41
youcantcompthis
Or, you know, pass on to my kids or whatever. And a lot of this stuff for me, it's like, it's pretty risky to prospect it on that much cash.

00:24:23.68
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:27.69
youcantcompthis
So yeah.

00:24:28.59
Adz
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. the the yeah Interesting.

00:24:30.59
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:24:31.70
Adz
So if you're staying away from the purple, I think it's to stay away at that point at that price point.

00:24:35.11
youcantcompthis
Yeah, probably. Yeah.

00:24:37.69
Adz
All right.

00:24:37.73
youcantcompthis
Demontus, a bonus.

00:24:37.85
Adz
hit I think this guy is criminally underrated.

00:24:39.02
youcantcompthis
Look, I think we have to talk about this guy. Right. Okay. So we're both in agreeance on this. I was just about to say that for me, the irony about this guy is that people don't like big guys, but he is a big guy, but literally plays like a guard.

00:24:52.32
youcantcompthis
They've run so many sets through this guy in terms of facilitating and playmaking, and he just dribbles the ball up the court.

00:24:52.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:58.20
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:24:58.25
youcantcompthis
So

00:25:00.52
Adz
Is there a purple?

00:25:00.83
youcantcompthis
Population on this is 104, price on this is 135. I just feel like you can spend $135 in so many different wrong ways. I think the question on this is, can you quick flip it or click roll it? I keep saying flip, I should start changing that up and saying roll. I think the answer is absolutely no.

00:25:22.32
Adz
Hmm.

00:25:23.33
youcantcompthis
you know Where is this gonna be you know value in the long term? I do wonder if this is a card that you just purchased and you just put away and you forget about it. You get it out.

00:25:32.12
Adz
135 bucks. if you're a If you're a big fan, and I'm gonna go back to the Purple to 75 again, 250 last sold.

00:25:44.74
youcantcompthis
But the thing about this is that I think the best case scenario is it doubles in price and that's going to take a long time to do.

00:25:50.91
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:25:51.42
youcantcompthis
And so.

00:25:52.97
Adz
Well, Sacramento has a successful year. Say Fox isn't the man, cause you mean you'd say it'd be, it's one of these two that's the finals MVP. Say they go and win a championship, and Subbonus is a key part of that, does he?

00:26:01.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:04.70
Adz
He becomes the next yokich.

00:26:07.92
youcantcompthis
The funny thing is actually all star voting and team ah individual awards, which are also team reflected. So bonus actually seemed to get more recognition.

00:26:18.38
Adz
Hmm.

00:26:18.87
youcantcompthis
It's super weird, but still the hobby pricing hasn't reflected that.

00:26:20.32
Adz
He seems... Well, they call Shingoon, like, the the baby yokich, right?

00:26:26.13
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:26:26.72
Adz
This guy's more seems like more of a potential baby, baby Joker.

00:26:31.73
youcantcompthis
What's a comp for him?

00:26:35.57
Adz
Hmm.

00:26:38.60
Adz
What am I wrong? Is he just going to end up being like a dream on green?

00:26:43.37
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's more, maybe a bigger, a bigger, much poorer man, Draymond Green.

00:26:44.84
Adz
Like a role player.

00:26:49.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:50.79
youcantcompthis
he shot His shot is not even half of Draymond's and, you know, Draymond's is not fantastic.

00:26:52.09
Adz
Yeah. Needs work.

00:26:55.87
youcantcompthis
So anyway, all right, get your trigger ready.

00:26:56.66
Adz
Yeah, it's an interesting one.

00:27:01.44
Adz
oh

00:27:01.53
youcantcompthis
Next one is Dallas Mavericks. We're going to go straight to Luca Doncic and the population on a silver PC10 is 2,338.

00:27:14.71
Adz
Wow, it's a it's pretty high pop.

00:27:14.80
youcantcompthis
The last sold on this is 1,200. Now, actually I feel like we need to price check this because I feel like this has gone up. This is up in the last three months, 30%.

00:27:25.02
youcantcompthis
So whatever sort of external sentiment we, because I feel like we were saying this was a sell.

00:27:27.19
Adz
Mm.

00:27:34.55
youcantcompthis
And I feel like the last time we spoke about this card, it was sitting at the thousand dollar mark. So.

00:27:41.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:41.29
youcantcompthis
Obviously the market has shifted its perception on this card, you know, since we've last spoken about it. So is this a buy hold or sell for you at at this price? ah Yeah.

00:27:51.56
Adz
At the 1200. I'd be I'd be cheating myself if I didn't say it was a There's a sell. It's gonna be, it's, there's gonna, I think, unless the Mavericks have success, and I'm gonna i'm gonna die on this soapbox, that the the parallel between Tatum and Luca is gonna get slowly, the the scales are gonna tilt.

00:28:09.97
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:28:21.43
Adz
Tatum's won a championship. It hasn't done a lot for his price yet, but they are the defending champs. Paint a narrative this year, say Boston go back to back.

00:28:32.03
youcantcompthis
Which at the moment they're looking like they are going to be.

00:28:34.61
Adz
they're They're running it back. They've got pretty much the same the the same call.

00:28:35.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:28:38.90
Adz
um And Luca, yeah as we just we both agree that the West is stacked, right?

00:28:46.11
youcantcompthis
Stupidly stacked.

00:28:47.55
Adz
So what's the likelihood that that Luca doesn't win it all this year? And what's the likelihood that Luca might not even get an MVP this year? Is there a point where we're like, Luca, where the, where the Luca lovers start to realize that maybe this guy, I know he's young, but maybe he can't get to the top of the mountain.

00:29:11.52
Adz
And there are a lot of cards there.

00:29:11.61
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I think...

00:29:12.56
Adz
If you lose faith in a man with a pop count that high, it's going to be, ah it's, it'll, the the plane will land softly because people won't want to lose too much money.

00:29:23.03
Adz
But we saw what happened with Zion.

00:29:24.68
youcantcompthis
Hmm, yeah. I think you you do make a good point. and I think to add onto that is that this is a narrative to be made that this is going to be, say, the Celtics era.

00:29:37.73
youcantcompthis
And let's just call it the Celtics and Mavericks era for the next two years. And then OKC is going to be hanging around with this, like, sick sort of young team.

00:29:48.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:48.42
youcantcompthis
Then after, say, four or five years, I think Wembley is going to be prime. And in that time, I feel confident the Spurs are going to put a good team around him. like It's not impossible in my head that the Spurs can build a championship team in four years.

00:29:57.75
Adz
Sure.

00:30:02.16
youcantcompthis
like They have the you know the pedigree for that.

00:30:03.86
Adz
They've got Chris Paul.

00:30:06.42
youcantcompthis
okay let's let's I appreciate your your comedic take there, Adam.

00:30:08.98
Adz
They're about to

00:30:13.11
youcantcompthis
Well done, sir.

00:30:14.58
Adz
We won't make it, but he'llroom he'll groom the next star a lot of point cards.

00:30:17.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, he's going to help. He's definitely going to help, but he's not going to anyway. Um, so, but you know, so let's just flip that around. If the Mavericks don't win a championship before when he gets to his prime, like, you know, there is that chance he will miss out and the door will close. Like it's, it's so funny how quickly the landscape can change. So.

00:30:36.54
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't doubt that lu Luca is ah a talented basketball player.

00:30:41.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:42.69
Adz
But I think he's being, he's perceived in the, in the hobby as in the people are paying prices based on his potential thinking he's going to be an MVP.

00:30:54.41
Adz
He's going to be a multiple championship winner and he's done none of those things yet.

00:30:58.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:30:58.75
Adz
And if you can't, you, there's only so long you can play on potential. Yes, he's young. He's only 25, 26, isn't he?

00:31:06.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah. He's so young and the, the scoring records that he's done for his age, or and that's why people are only mad.

00:31:11.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:11.41
youcantcompthis
I think we do need to sort of balance out this narrative a little bit. It's not, it's not insanity that people are like going quite deep on Luca.

00:31:21.85
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:21.91
youcantcompthis
I see your point, but I also, like I get where people are, you know, buying onto this guy.

00:31:24.47
Adz
But there is a massive population count.

00:31:25.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:31:29.13
Adz
There are a lot of these cards.

00:31:30.66
youcantcompthis
Well, let's just hold that. Let's just hold my beer on that one for two seconds. All right.

00:31:35.37
Adz
Hang on.

00:31:35.53
youcantcompthis
We'll, we'll come. Let's just hold that thought.

00:31:36.83
Adz
Where's the base?

00:31:37.41
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:31:38.01
Adz
Where's the base? Wait, where's the base? Where's the base?

00:31:40.70
youcantcompthis
Just don't worry about that. ah just I I'll, I'll explain it to you in two seconds. All right.

00:31:45.73
Adz
Okay.

00:31:45.76
youcantcompthis
Let's move on to PJ Washington, but hold that thought. PJ Washington. This is for the low end junkies out there. $22. This last sold for population 815 PJ.

00:31:56.61
Adz
You were on this, you were on him last year.

00:31:56.92
youcantcompthis
I think I look. Maybe, yeah, maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here. This is actually very up and down the last six months. But, um, I, ah the reason I like this is obviously cause a price point, but also to, I think he'll settle into the system.

00:32:16.17
youcantcompthis
And I think it's, it actually takes time to sort of improve chemistry with someone like Luca and Kyrie. And I thought he made, you know, an impact on that team in a very short period of time.

00:32:28.64
youcantcompthis
So I just like it.

00:32:29.36
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:32:30.07
youcantcompthis
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00:33:57.55
youcantcompthis
tickets again at the hobbyhangout.com.au so yeah check it out guys fantastic day take your cards to trade it's always good to move on some of that stuff that's sitting in boxes that someone wants and you know you can move up in your collection roll it into something bigger yeah do it

00:34:12.22
Adz
Roll it, roll it. you know Put it into a something circular so it rolls.

00:34:17.53
youcantcompthis
that's That's it. That's it. All righty, Adam, I'm changing up the list. Okay. So I said to you a minute ago, hold my beer on that Luca Doncic, the 2,338 on the silvers.

00:34:22.55
Adz
Uh-oh. ah twenty The 20, the 20,000 pop count of Luca.

00:34:32.99
youcantcompthis
Guess what? Don't click on the WEMBIE link. Guess what WEMBIE is at the moment.

00:34:42.79
Adz
A PSA.

00:34:44.02
youcantcompthis
Silver PSA 10.

00:34:45.49
Adz
Silver PSA 10. Oh God. Is he on card ladder already?

00:34:49.57
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:34:51.48
Adz
Um.

00:34:55.33
Adz
3,000.

00:34:56.61
youcantcompthis
Higher.

00:34:58.39
Adz
What?

00:34:59.24
youcantcompthis
3,397. We could round that up to 3,400. So already a thousand more Wembley's and Lucas. And so my claim of him getting to 10,000 is um looking pretty good right now.

00:35:20.17
Adz
It's not looking too bad at all, in fact.

00:35:21.81
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:35:23.09
Adz
um

00:35:25.55
youcantcompthis
In fact, it's gonna get there a lot quicker than I probably thought it was gonna get.

00:35:28.17
Adz
That is insane.

00:35:30.35
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:35:32.14
Adz
Do you know what else is insane though in saying that?

00:35:34.06
youcantcompthis
Talk to me.

00:35:35.64
Adz
And we can, and I'll use this to back my Luca argument.

00:35:38.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:35:39.21
Adz
um

00:35:42.07
Adz
Look at the last 12 months or the last six, eight months or whatever it's been since it since it came up.

00:35:49.69
youcantcompthis
So the last 12 months he's down 65%.

00:35:52.46
Adz
Correct. So that the cards started at two and a half grand.

00:35:56.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:35:57.30
Adz
And it's last sold for 850.

00:35:59.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:36:02.19
youcantcompthis
So I think the real question is, is what is this going to settle out? Because I think it's fair to say this is going to be a liquid card.

00:36:08.14
Adz
Oh, this.

00:36:08.48
youcantcompthis
This is going to be, you know, liquid like LeBron, liquid like Jordan, liquid like Steph. That's fine. Like it's going to move. But, you know, I think.

00:36:16.82
Adz
Luca, eat hold my beer, Luca, 21,000 pop count on the um base as well, sorry.

00:36:26.71
Adz
Come on everyone, start grading those Luca base ones.

00:36:26.86
youcantcompthis
I was shocked though.

00:36:29.11
Adz
Let's get the numbers up.

00:36:30.71
youcantcompthis
I was shocked though. When that, I saw that 3,300. I'm not going to lie it to you anyway.

00:36:36.23
Adz
Everybody wanted to grade Wembley, like it was at 850.

00:36:36.36
youcantcompthis
So I think that's the real question that is, do you buy this or sell it? Can you, okay. Okay. Let me pose this question to you. Can you sell it now and in six months, buy it back for cheaper?

00:36:50.77
Adz
I think it's found its floor.

00:36:53.06
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:36:55.01
Adz
Like I think the $800 mark, the eight to 850 is probably where it's gonna sit.

00:37:00.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:00.96
Adz
If you look at the graph, um so I've got the graph up for the last year, you saw the the gradual gradual decline to May, but but since that sort of May to the start of the season, it's gone down 150 bucks, but it's basically $1,000, right?

00:37:05.00
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:37:07.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:37:12.07
youcantcompthis
you know Yeah. No, I understand what you're saying. I agree with that.

00:37:20.51
Adz
But it's plateaued at that.

00:37:20.88
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

00:37:23.17
Adz
So the hy as ah the hype train stopped and it sort of hovered between 1,800.

00:37:28.30
youcantcompthis
Hmm.

00:37:30.53
Adz
But I think that's where that we our floor is.

00:37:30.71
youcantcompthis
All right, so my perspective on this is that I don't hold any Wembley of any significance. I might have a couple of cheap base cards or something like that, you know, some inserts.

00:37:41.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:41.99
youcantcompthis
I i want to get in. ah Like I've said this in the last couple of of episodes, like I'm starting to drink the Wembley Kool-Aid. I think this guy is super exciting.

00:37:50.27
Adz
He is. He is. I think you've got to be selective with what card you want though.

00:37:53.42
youcantcompthis
So I think the play for me here is wait for this to bottom out for some weird reason. Something will happen. You'll get injured.

00:37:59.94
Adz
Spurs start the season. 0-12. Chris Paul cracks it and leaves it.

00:38:02.83
youcantcompthis
some weird social media story comes out and it bottoms out. And then it's, it bottoms out for some stupid reason that doesn't have any, you know, genuine justification.

00:38:05.86
Adz
Yep.

00:38:10.99
youcantcompthis
We've seen it before. And then the price recovers and then, you know, you've sort of purchased it at the right time. ah In my head, that's the narrative that, you know, I feel comfortable buying it.

00:38:16.52
Adz
Yep.

00:38:20.65
Adz
Okay.

00:38:21.90
youcantcompthis
I think buying it now, there's no guarantee that this is not going to be cheaper in six months. I think there's no rush to, to buy a WMB.

00:38:29.69
Adz
I don't think there's a rush to buy it.

00:38:30.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:38:31.05
Adz
I don't think this is going to go back to that two and a half thousand dollar hype anytime soon.

00:38:34.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:38:36.10
Adz
And you're right. Like the market is flooded with it. Um, it would be looking for the unique when bees would be my advice.

00:38:45.19
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:38:46.07
Adz
If you're willing to spend some decent coin.

00:38:48.41
youcantcompthis
Low in delight. Devin Fazell currently trading at $6 for a raw silver.

00:38:57.35
Adz
The fact that is there's raw base that's sold for a go-card letter.

00:39:02.53
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:39:02.69
Adz
Anyway. Yeah, I liked Evan Versailles.

00:39:06.33
youcantcompthis
It's weird. it's This is so weird to me because you'd actually assume that more people are watching Spurs now and be seeing sort of the other players there. Yeah, he had a bit of an injury interrupted season last year, but still I kind of expect him to be a part of their rotation.

00:39:17.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:21.16
youcantcompthis
They've paid him like player. You know, yeah, I think that's totally fine to be a buy. All right.

00:39:27.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:28.04
youcantcompthis
Houston Rockets. This is a fun, interesting one because

00:39:32.70
youcantcompthis
I think when these guys came out and and into the league, there were sort of high prospects. In my mind, they went for overs. Now they've got a really good coach.

00:39:40.38
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:44.45
youcantcompthis
They have got this sort of mentality of us against the world. They play hard. Obviously they've still got a bit to learn. I get all of that, but I'm starting to see the optimism here. So I think my general sort of one line summary here of the rockets is I think things are going in the right direction. And even though the numbers probably don't reflect it so much like Jalen Green for the last three months is down 1%, which is, you know, not, it's nothing in the scheme of things, but you would think that if, you know, things are heading in the right direction, it would be up say 3% or 5%, something like that.

00:40:18.37
Adz
Hmm.

00:40:18.59
youcantcompthis
But look, I think here is it's just a really interesting sort of like fork in the road. I do wonder though, at what point do people just sort of say like I've had enough of this nonsense waiting for jail and greed to come good and you sort of get off.

00:40:31.83
youcantcompthis
So for me, this is kind of like a make or break here. This is the other thing I just want to preface this with.

00:40:37.19
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:40:38.43
youcantcompthis
$185, this is selling for a population of 636. So it's not small. and It's, you know, it's not large, but it's getting up there.

00:40:44.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:47.18
Adz
It's this is the same draft class as Cunningham, right?

00:40:51.64
youcantcompthis
Correct.

00:40:52.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:52.21
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:40:52.47
Adz
Okay. So true.

00:40:54.77
youcantcompthis
We're getting up there in years. like it's you know you've You've seen enough body of work. Yeah.

00:40:58.71
Adz
like Okay. Okay. But this is the time, right? This is the, this is the launching pad.

00:41:01.91
youcantcompthis
Yep, yep.

00:41:03.63
Adz
This is the launching pad. You Anthony Edwards was like that.

00:41:06.52
youcantcompthis
Sure, yep.

00:41:09.20
Adz
Maybe.

00:41:09.33
youcantcompthis
The little sort of funny side narrative to this is that when Shen Goon was out last year, Green played really well, so there's sort of been some, you know, if you go onto Rockets Reddit, you go onto Rockets Twitter, you know, actually do they need to move one of these two guys to be more successful?

00:41:10.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:23.74
youcantcompthis
Look, I hope these two can coexist, it'll be pretty cool.

00:41:27.13
Adz
It'd be nice if they can.

00:41:27.49
youcantcompthis
Look, I think if you like high high risk investing, this is for you, but for me, this is to stay away from me. I'm not super keen on Jaylen Green.

00:41:37.99
Adz
No, that's right.

00:41:38.01
youcantcompthis
Shen goon isn't even on Cardletter. Sorry mate, I interrupted you.

00:41:41.40
Adz
I was gonna say I'm not keen on the rockets. So yeah.

00:41:43.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:41:45.97
youcantcompthis
They might be fun this year though, man. I think that's what I was trying to get to with before.

00:41:47.93
Adz
Could be.

00:41:49.25
youcantcompthis
I think there'll be like a bit of a league pass, you know, team.

00:41:51.94
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:41:53.31
youcantcompthis
ah Alrighty. Last sales on silver Shengoons. 153, 163, 171, 192. So, you know, we sort of talked about someone in that same sort of price point earlier on with Kaminga, right?

00:42:06.08
Adz
Mmm.

00:42:07.96
youcantcompthis
That was very, very similar price point.

00:42:09.62
Adz
I'll take Shanguin over Kamenga.

00:42:11.62
youcantcompthis
Yeah, I do think so. You know, super skilled big guy.

00:42:14.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:15.78
youcantcompthis
I think the baby Joe kick is like kind of a fun comparison, but yeah, I think for me, it's not my cup of tea, but you know, definitely could be someone else's and definitely money to be made, but it's a super high risk for me.

00:42:28.08
Adz
Yep.

00:42:31.58
youcantcompthis
So yeah.

00:42:32.26
Adz
Oh look, there are some Rockets fans out there and there are some people that have got a lot of confidence in the in the the list out there, so. See how they go this year.

00:42:41.96
youcantcompthis
and Andrew Gays into the future. Memphis Grizzlies, Jama Rant, population on silver PSA 10 1694, which is nothing when compared to a Wembley and a Wooker.

00:42:54.14
Adz
That's it.

00:42:56.92
youcantcompthis
Last sold for $504. Adam, is this a buy hold or sell?

00:43:05.74
Adz
We are seeing the resurgence over the last six months of ah of jar prices. It did tank, it was it was below 400 six months ago.

00:43:13.70
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right. Yeah.

00:43:17.94
Adz
um He's back, media day, he didn't it didn't bring any guns to media day. um I don't know, the the the Gris are gonna be one of those unknown quantities, because they haven't really played together for for a couple of seasons.

00:43:32.26
Adz
but

00:43:32.63
youcantcompthis
yeah

00:43:34.10
Adz
Look, if Jar Marant's still the same Jar Marant that the level he was at before he got injured, I don't see the, I think the $500 price tag is very, very fair and reasonable.

00:43:45.69
Adz
And there's no reason, if he puts himself back up into that MVP discussion, that it doesn't go up again.

00:43:52.20
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:43:53.57
Adz
Pop count's gonna hurt it, but yeah, it could be a seven, $800 card if he's in the MVP race. And the Grizzlies are,

00:44:01.90
youcantcompthis
yeah Yeah, look, this could be the best buy in the NBA at the moment or the worst buy.

00:44:03.24
Adz
and the grizzlies come back. However, obviously there's the buyer beware.

00:44:12.07
youcantcompthis
And if you're putting a gun to my head, um I'm going to say this is the worst buy.

00:44:17.15
Adz
As long as it's not Jarmurant putting the gun to your head, right?

00:44:24.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, I'm going to apply the Devin Booker rule to this in that, you know, where is his card in 10 years?

00:44:29.93
Adz
Yeah, okay.

00:44:30.57
youcantcompthis
You know, it doesn't fill me with confidence.

00:44:32.61
Adz
I think that, honestly, it like is... Yeah, it's not it's not one of the... It's definitely not guaranteed, but it's also... Where would we say? His future is in his hands.

00:44:44.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:44:46.17
Adz
Yep. As long as it's not a gun.

00:44:47.04
youcantcompthis
Desmond Bain is our second one. Population on this is $2.84. Last sold for $80.99. Look, I actually think this is a fine price for this guy.

00:44:55.53
Adz
Mmm.

00:44:56.37
youcantcompthis
I'm going to call him the uncle of Devin Vassal. You know, I sort of put these two almost in the same sentence, which actually makes Vassal, you know, a better buy again.

00:45:04.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:05.41
youcantcompthis
And the last little note I want to talk about too with the Grizzlies is Gigi Jackson. I will talk about him, but you need to go back to 157. We deep dived into this young man and check that out because we're not going to talk about him today.

00:45:17.73
Adz
JJ Jackson.

00:45:18.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:45:19.53
Adz
Yep. Yep. Finger on the pulse.

00:45:22.72
youcantcompthis
right

00:45:22.77
Adz
All right.

00:45:23.53
youcantcompthis
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00:45:39.93
youcantcompthis
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00:45:56.14
youcantcompthis
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00:46:25.81
Adz
yeah Yeah.

00:46:27.79
youcantcompthis
All right, Adam, we're at 46 minutes at the moment with only five teams to go.

00:46:34.09
Adz
I think five teams to go and like, let's be fair, there's ah there's a little bit of talking points, but there's a couple there that we could probably end up skimming over.

00:46:41.85
youcantcompthis
I think, I think we're going to make it. I think this is, yeah, I'm feeling confident.

00:46:44.08
Adz
I think we'll go i think we've got this. I think we've timed it really well.

00:46:49.10
youcantcompthis
Let's see how we can muck this up.

00:46:51.14
Adz
Ah, look, let's, I mean, Let's see, time will tell. Speaking of mucking it up, are we going straight, are we going to the pelicans? Zion Williamson, there we go, done.

00:47:04.90
youcantcompthis
Yeah, let's do it. Alrighty, Zion looking pretty ah in shape. I wouldn't say thin, but he's looking like he's been working out.

00:47:14.84
Adz
Looking fit.

00:47:17.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:47:17.89
Adz
Yeah, I'm, I don't know, Zion hasn't tanked, like he hasn't completely tanked. Last sold what? Silver Prism 330?

00:47:27.76
youcantcompthis
Population 1,800. Probably what we should do at is talk about the old time sales and this young man, because at one point he was trading for four and a half thousand for a pretty significant amount of time.

00:47:32.40
Adz
Hmm.

00:47:36.54
Adz
Oh.

00:47:41.93
youcantcompthis
He was trading between two and $5,000 and then it's just been, yeah.

00:47:44.68
Adz
Yeah, go back two years. but Let's go back two years to to to check the starting price for this last cut, 24 months.

00:47:54.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:47:55.54
Adz
$1,800.

00:47:57.63
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So it's just a straight, you know, downhill since then.

00:48:00.61
Adz
It's a bit, it's like a little toboggan ride, actually, if you look at the the the two years, it's like wee, wee, down and up. And it's actually might might be like a water slide. There's probably some swirls around there and it stables off when, and it even goes up a little bit when people get confidence in him. When he strings 20 or 30 games together, starts to look really good. The confidence comes back and then he gets injured and it drips off again.

00:48:26.08
Adz
but

00:48:27.58
youcantcompthis
Like this is the definition of a hype train that people, you know, hopped onto and invested into this guy.

00:48:30.75
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. You ride the hype train to the top of the hill and.

00:48:33.93
youcantcompthis
Look, I think at this point, just buy a nice Charles Barkley rookie card, buy a nice Charles Barkley autograph, buy a nice Zion autograph.

00:48:44.14
youcantcompthis
You know, I think if you really like this guy, just go out and buy something that you find visually appealing and just put it into your PC.

00:48:50.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:51.73
youcantcompthis
I i think my problem with this card is that Actually, I think there is potential for money to be made here. I think at this price point, if it goes down, I'll be a little bit surprised.

00:49:01.91
youcantcompthis
I think you were talking about floor before, you know, that sort of 800.

00:49:05.40
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:49:06.19
youcantcompthis
I find it really difficult to think this is going to go down more, but I think more importantly, what's the point of buying design at this point? I really feel like we've got enough body of evidence.

00:49:16.93
Adz
The ship sailed, yeah.

00:49:18.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And then when you talk about the landscape of the league, I don't see him out playing Wembley. I didn't see him out playing Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.

00:49:28.55
youcantcompthis
Like, do you know what I mean?

00:49:29.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure.

00:49:30.33
youcantcompthis
I don't, there's actually a piece of me that's kind of like, do I even see them out playing? I mean, dare I say it like.

00:49:41.68
youcantcompthis
like the Cleveland Cavaliers in a seven game series, not that we'd ever see that, but do you know what I mean? I saw that mid sort of Eastern conference team, like they're not going to beat the thunder.

00:49:48.42
Adz
Yep. I know what you mean.

00:49:51.60
youcantcompthis
I don't think in a seven game series.

00:49:54.84
Adz
I don't know. well Can they pick up a big that's going to work well with Zion to to to sort of fix that roster a little bit?

00:49:57.82
youcantcompthis
So look, I love what they did in the off season. I think, you know, getting to John T. Murray was like an absolute steal. I think. Yeah.

00:50:11.59
youcantcompthis
Anyway, yep.

00:50:12.93
Adz
Big loss.

00:50:13.07
youcantcompthis
So that's, I think that's my thoughts on that.

00:50:14.38
Adz
Balanchinus was the big loss.

00:50:16.47
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, Brandon Ingram. This is a funny one to actually talk about and sort of think about and and review, but let's do it.

00:50:20.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:21.80
youcantcompthis
When was the last time we spoke about this guy?

00:50:24.48
Adz
Brandon Ingram is a very very odd one.

00:50:29.12
youcantcompthis
Now this is pure, you're in the deep country when it comes to BGS here. There's not even a single PSA stat available on this card, on card ladder. So population 359 last sold for $36.

00:50:42.93
youcantcompthis
I feel like this is almost like a listener challenge. You showed me a better card that you can buy for 36 USD than this Brandon Ingram card.

00:50:50.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:51.39
youcantcompthis
Honestly, I think this is like a super fun conversation to be had. Do I think...

00:50:56.36
Adz
Yeah, look, pop 200.

00:51:00.40
Adz
I think he's got to go somewhere where he stands out a bit more. He's been in Zion's shadow. That's been the problem.

00:51:06.66
youcantcompthis
So...

00:51:06.72
Adz
Do you think he's the number one somewhere?

00:51:08.81
youcantcompthis
No, I don't. I think if he's going to have success, he's the number three or number four option on a really good team.

00:51:13.05
Adz
Okay.

00:51:13.77
youcantcompthis
Like that's, you know, he goes to the Spurs on say some bargain basement contract and and they sort of work it out like that.

00:51:14.44
Adz
Okay.

00:51:20.30
youcantcompthis
I think it's something like that, but you don't.

00:51:23.06
Adz
and It's not like a Timber Wolf's argument because you know that Anthony Edwards is the number one. There's no real number two.

00:51:33.27
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's the other thing too.

00:51:34.01
Adz
Is it?

00:51:35.31
youcantcompthis
He then had to find a situation to put him into and you know, would would he mesh with Edwards?

00:51:37.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:39.62
youcantcompthis
I think that would be a difficult fit.

00:51:40.41
Adz
Don't think so, yeah.

00:51:41.18
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:51:41.92
Adz
But I'm saying in that situation where there is a clear number one, but there's no clear number two, he can step up as the number two.

00:51:44.50
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, well funny you say that because when I think of Wembley, I don't think of Ingram being number one and Wembley number two, right? Like that's, yeah.

00:51:53.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:55.11
youcantcompthis
So the narrative around Ingram is that he's asked for an extension around 50 million a year. So he's coming to the last year of his contract. I don't think he's going to get that in New Orleans. And so, you know, where is he going to end up in the next 12 months?

00:52:06.19
youcantcompthis
So that's something else to watch out for too. Look, I like that. I think that's a fun little footnote or purchase. All right, let's get to a really big boy here. Nikola Jokic silver PSA 10 population on this 173. So again, comparing this to when be comparing this to Luca, this is, you know, nothing like absolutely. This is microscopic population sold for 2600. Now, he's got three MVPs, right?

00:52:38.85
Adz
does It does

00:52:40.64
youcantcompthis
A championship. Like ah this is a struggle for me. It's not, it's not nothing, but this to me seems low. And it's just the type of thing where you look back and say, you know, we've sort of missed this window. or We've missed this opportunity to, you know, to, to buy this up. And that that's my, this is my take. That's it. I'm done.

00:53:02.21
Adz
Yeah, that's it, Jokic. I still think he's undervalued, but he comes with the...

00:53:08.00
Adz
He comes he comes with the the baggage of being a big. The three MVPs is huge, but he probably needs to win something else, like another championship.

00:53:12.73
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:53:16.52
Adz
It needs to be a multiple.

00:53:17.82
youcantcompthis
For it to jump up again.

00:53:18.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:18.98
youcantcompthis
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Jamal Murray.

00:53:22.75
Adz
Oh, we've got a comp in the in the YouTube live chat.

00:53:27.75
youcantcompthis
Do it.

00:53:28.29
Adz
James Mann has said Ben Simmons, PSA 10.

00:53:36.73
youcantcompthis
yeah um Yeah.

00:53:37.56
Adz
He's also said the Rockets are making the playoffs, so he, there we go.

00:53:41.68
youcantcompthis
Cool.

00:53:42.82
Adz
So we know how, yeah, and we to put that, the Ben Simmons comment into perspective.

00:53:47.57
youcantcompthis
Well, thanks James. We appreciate the comment.

00:53:56.35
youcantcompthis
Have we mentioned Ben Simmons in our season review? I really hope we haven't

00:54:00.15
Adz
Was he the player that we we mentioned for Brooklyn? No, it wasn't, I don't.

00:54:02.81
youcantcompthis
actually. I don't think so.

00:54:04.28
Adz
Prospector's Delight, I think was,

00:54:04.45
youcantcompthis
Let me, let me check the sheet.

00:54:06.97
Adz
No, I'm pretty sure it was a...

00:54:07.88
youcantcompthis
No, Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson killing Hayes. No, Ben Simmons inside. Yeah.

00:54:12.06
Adz
No, no.

00:54:14.09
youcantcompthis
All right. Back to real NBA players, Jamal Murray, silver psa 10, population 206. Look, I'm actually down on this dude.

00:54:24.18
Adz
is it look Look, in the last year, it's interesting, after the Olympics, his prices just dropped out the bottom.

00:54:24.41
youcantcompthis
100.

00:54:29.93
youcantcompthis
He played like dog ship at the Olympics and

00:54:33.73
Adz
Yep.

00:54:35.69
youcantcompthis
Um, yeah, super interesting. So there's this paradigm conversation at the moment happening where they're talking about changing the rules more to fever play.

00:54:47.11
youcantcompthis
And that doesn't benefit guys who have slightly suboptimal athleticism. So if that does happen, which it's already technically happened at the end of last season where they're calling less fouls, you know, is Jamal Murray actually going to you know suffer because of that.

00:54:57.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:02.84
youcantcompthis
So.

00:55:03.02
Adz
As a result, yeah, probably.

00:55:04.24
youcantcompthis
You know, there's that small sort of part in the back of my head to sort of saying, well, you know, on the flip side, if I'm being, you know, good cop, bad cop at the same time here, where's the bottom on this?

00:55:15.86
youcantcompthis
Like that's kind of, yeah.

00:55:17.81
Adz
Pretty low. I don't know, it doesn't seem like a $150 card. Like he doesn't seem like a $150 player.

00:55:25.53
youcantcompthis
I agree.

00:55:26.66
Adz
I think maybe a 250, but I

00:55:28.15
youcantcompthis
He's down 40%. Yeah.

00:55:32.14
Adz
don't know, maybe maybe maybe the the Nuggets start the season as strong.

00:55:32.16
youcantcompthis
In the last 12 months.

00:55:35.78
Adz
We see some good play from Murray.

00:55:40.42
youcantcompthis
No, let's not overthink this. I'm, I'm out on Murray. I'm going to stay with my original.

00:55:42.88
Adz
Out on Murray, we're out.

00:55:44.06
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:55:44.76
Adz
Okay, well that was easy, done.

00:55:45.84
youcantcompthis
Yep.

00:55:47.59
Adz
Nuggets tick.

00:55:48.58
youcantcompthis
Now someone I'm in on is the Minnesota Timberwolves, Anthony Edwards pop. Oh geez. Population on this is nearly 2,100, 1,955.

00:55:57.57
Adz
1955.

00:55:59.20
youcantcompthis
Yep. Last sold for 900.

00:56:03.27
Adz
Is that population related though? Is that pop count related? The fact that it's only sub 1000?

00:56:11.24
youcantcompthis
I actually think for what he's done, like I'm stealing your phrase here, but for me that 900 is future prices. I love Edwards and I i think i get I get the hype, but at the same time, but you know, for me, this is not a home run, particularly with the population on it.

00:56:24.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:30.15
youcantcompthis
One interesting point though,

00:56:30.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:32.36
youcantcompthis
We've almost formed a little bit of a pyramid right now where we've sort of got Edwards here and we've got Luca just, you know, a step above that.

00:56:38.71
Adz
a

00:56:39.13
youcantcompthis
And then super weird that Tatum is sort of a step below even Edwards. I'll be wise, but at the same time, it's definitely there.

00:56:43.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:45.59
youcantcompthis
So.

00:56:46.80
Adz
It's it that's ah it's like we're on the graph. Don't they fit?

00:56:49.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:56:50.38
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like I feel like this isn't a twodimenal like ah two a two. Yeah, two axis graph like where we're not. there's There's pop counts, there's championships.

00:57:00.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

00:57:00.41
Adz
theres It's like a big algorithm.

00:57:01.98
youcantcompthis
Yep. It's a three dimensional graph. Yeah.

00:57:04.83
Adz
It could almost be four dimensional. We'll speak to Ryan. He could open our eyes to the fourth dimension.

00:57:11.90
youcantcompthis
All right.

00:57:12.21
Adz
Sounds wrong.

00:57:12.26
youcantcompthis
Are you buying this for 900 bucks?

00:57:12.78
Adz
Anyway, am I buying it for 900 bucks?

00:57:14.06
youcantcompthis
That's the real question here.

00:57:16.94
Adz
a ah With that pop count, I'll probably look for something different.

00:57:20.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. I think Edwards is a buy, but you know, do you look for autographs?

00:57:23.40
Adz
Yeah, I'm on Edwards. I i think he's great.

00:57:26.46
youcantcompthis
Do you look for downtowns? Do you look for kaboom? You know, it's not the question is do you buy Edwards?

00:57:31.78
Adz
Mmm what you buy of Edwards, yep Probably Definitely Thunder is literally gonna be the yep.

00:57:33.14
youcantcompthis
It's what you buy and what you can get for your for your dollars. And is there a better spend for 900 USD? Yeah, I probably think there will be out there. So, yeah. OK, see, this is fun, too.

00:57:46.42
youcantcompthis
You know, that if you look at the the Vegas odds, not that we're a gambling show. um There is some markets where the Thunder are going to be the best team in the league this year. OK, so let's just start off at that point.

00:58:00.72
Adz
Yep

00:58:00.85
youcantcompthis
They are gonna be led by SGA. There is no ifs, buts, maybes by that. He is number one with an absolute bullet on that team. His last sole price was $600. If you look at his graph for the last three months, he's up 12%. I see no reason that that uptick doesn't continue. There's nothing there's nothing in my mind that you know changes that sort of narrative of all of this going in the right direction. so

00:58:31.82
youcantcompthis
I really like this card. And and you know, I actually feel about SGA is that I wish I'd just dipped in a couple of years ago. I've sort of missed the train in some points, you know?

00:58:41.55
Adz
Missed the boat a little bit.

00:58:42.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:58:42.97
Adz
No, this could be his MVP. yeah It was close last year

00:58:45.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

00:58:49.11
youcantcompthis
when do When does that conversation become a real thing, you know? Yeah.

00:58:56.81
youcantcompthis
Thunder is stacked, man.

00:58:56.84
Adz
I mean, yeah,

00:58:59.19
youcantcompthis
They're absolutely stacked. And I chose Chet because I tried to pick but was what I thought was going to be the number two.

00:59:06.05
Adz
yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that, that makes sense. Chet is, um, yeah, Chet's a good call. I like Chet. Chet's pricing versus pop. Very interesting, actually. Hmm.

00:59:20.59
youcantcompthis
So my thing with Chet is that he's a really weird almost exception to the hobby rule so he was injured for the first 12 months didn't really suffer any price loss in fact you know the hype was there comes back you know look pretty good but you could sort of also tell that it's very much a still a prospect his body's still developing super skilled dude but at the same time you know he's not a finished product you know what I mean there's all these sort of

00:59:35.78
Adz
Mmm Yeah There's been no crazy spikes

00:59:52.89
youcantcompthis
what you would normally say as a red flag, yet despite that is still trading at 245 is a big guy. Yeah, but is a big guy, you know, you don't normally see people chasing.

01:00:06.12
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:06.91
youcantcompthis
Do you know what I mean? So this is where, um, I actually wonder if this is an exception to what we'll, you know, sort of call out our rules and yeah, I think this is a buy.

01:00:20.83
Adz
I think it's a buy at this price.

01:00:22.23
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:00:23.70
Adz
I think as he grows and develops as a player, you're gonna see it'll either drop or it'll head for the head upwards

01:00:31.17
youcantcompthis
and And is this the type of thing where you go, look, you just put your big boy pants on, you buy something numbered.

01:00:38.16
Adz
and have it.

01:00:39.52
youcantcompthis
So the purple to 99 sold for 530. Like that's not outrageous.

01:00:45.52
Adz
I mean, the blue, because of the OKC.

01:00:48.21
youcantcompthis
Sure. And a lot of this stuff is down in the last couple of years too, man.

01:00:55.79
Adz
I mean, the purple, yeah, the purple's obviously better. The color match factor in the blue maybe is what's got that up over 600, but yeah, I don't know.

01:01:07.82
youcantcompthis
I'm really worried I'm just going like way too over my head with OKC, but I think they're going to have such like an amazing year this year.

01:01:16.57
Adz
I think, yeah, I think you're onto something. I think, okay, so they're either gonna fall back down to earth or they're gonna take it a step up. I don't think they're gonna tread water this year.

01:01:25.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:01:28.57
youcantcompthis
All right, Portland Trailblazers, Scoot, we have to talk about Scoot. So this is an interesting one for me. So his silver last sold for 120, 89, 102, 120, 110. So I feel like his baseline is say 110.

01:01:45.21
youcantcompthis
ten

01:01:46.82
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:47.37
youcantcompthis
And so is that a good buy at that price? Look, I'm going to say this is a stay away from because even tonight, and let's just take away the Eastern Conference.

01:01:51.11
Adz
Um.

01:01:56.18
youcantcompthis
I feel like we've named five better people that you could buy into.

01:01:59.40
Adz
It's yeah.

01:02:01.51
youcantcompthis
And so not that I don't think Scoot's a good prospect, but what's the rush to buy into this guy? I think Portland is going to be terrible this year.

01:02:08.14
Adz
Trash for a while.

01:02:09.02
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:02:09.17
Adz
Yeah. Agreed.

01:02:10.58
youcantcompthis
And so.

01:02:12.51
Adz
You look for the alternatives.

01:02:13.84
youcantcompthis
Yeah. And even on the Portland roster, if you look at, say, Sharp, which I think is a Jalen Green-esque type guy, but actually the prices aren't that far away from Green.

01:02:24.92
youcantcompthis
So, $132, $129, $130. So that's his baseline there, isn't it? That's so weird.

01:02:31.32
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:31.86
youcantcompthis
He's more expensive than Scoot.

01:02:34.23
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:34.72
youcantcompthis
But actually the one, which I'm probably, not that I haven't spoken about this guy on the show before, but Denny Ujova, I think he's going to really do well and in Portland and

01:02:46.34
youcantcompthis
You know, I suppose he's going from the Wizards on the East to the Portland on the West. And they're kind of in a little bit of a similar situation, but I actually liked the culture a lot better in Portland. Despite what we just said about what they're looking at the next couple of years.

01:02:57.30
Adz
Oh well.

01:02:59.84
youcantcompthis
He's selling for a dollar 25 at the moment. I think if you spend, yeah, spend 30 bucks.

01:03:03.61
Adz
Dollar 25, that's value for money, right?

01:03:07.17
youcantcompthis
I just don't think you're going to you know lose out on that one. Last team, Adam, look at us go. This might even go subber now.

01:03:15.68
Adz
we might We might actually get this all in in time.

01:03:18.69
youcantcompthis
that's

01:03:19.00
Adz
It's going on.

01:03:20.60
youcantcompthis
Keontae George silver piece a yeah look I like this kid I think he's interesting but for me this is like super future prices and a ah lot has to go right and the Utah the Utah Jazz are so loaded with young prospects you don't really know

01:03:26.85
Adz
It's a pretty consistent price.

01:03:45.00
youcantcompthis
Is it going to be based on performance or is it going to be based on improving prospects and then losing games to go into the Cooper flag stakes? Because if you ask me what are the top five teams to go into the Cooper flag stakes, well Utah Jazz is probably number three, Portland's in there, Detroit's in there, Brooklyn Nets are number one with a bullet.

01:04:03.74
Adz
yeah

01:04:07.35
youcantcompthis
And so that really does make me a little bit scared buying into jazz people just in general. So almost for me jazz is a stay away. But I feel like if we spoke to somebody who is an absolute wild jazz fan, they could probably convince me that actually buying jazz people is, you know, ah is a good idea.

01:04:25.59
youcantcompthis
So don't just trust my opinion as gospel on this one. But yeah.

01:04:28.59
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:30.92
youcantcompthis
I thought we could talk about someone who's a bit more established as our last card of the night, i'd actually, had Laurie Markman population on this 163.

01:04:36.51
Adz
I like Laurie Market, Larry Market. and

01:04:39.80
youcantcompthis
Super, super interesting dude. So we spoke about his contract, a couple of podcasts back. Basically he's got a now a no trade clause.

01:04:48.33
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:48.57
youcantcompthis
He is getting paid an absolute bag. And I think where I had a bit of optimism with him was that he got traded to a situation where he was used properly.

01:04:58.03
Adz
Mmm.

01:05:01.21
youcantcompthis
and then he could be then picked up by say the warriors. I think if he went to the warriors that card would just double overnight and really interesting since he's got that contract extension he's actually gone down so my hypothesis on that is people were buying him with the hope he was going to be traded once they heard about that contract he just you know dropped all the way off which definitely fits that timeline

01:05:26.71
youcantcompthis
Yeah, look, I like this guy and I think the price is fine for what you're currently paying at a hundred dollars.

01:05:27.29
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:32.34
youcantcompthis
But would I go out and buy 10 of these and, you know, put them away and hope that it gets better quickly? No.

01:05:40.50
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:40.65
youcantcompthis
The jazz are tricky, man. Yep. Alrighty, add final thoughts. What do you got for us?

01:05:46.96
Adz
I think it was i think the the Western Conference has got a little ah quite a bit of value as far as

01:05:55.05
youcantcompthis
What's your top three that we talked about tonight?

01:05:57.86
Adz
Top three.

01:06:00.50
youcantcompthis
Instagram real-time ad.

01:06:02.08
Adz
Mm, top three from tonight's episode.

01:06:05.93
youcantcompthis
Adam's top three.

01:06:07.21
Adz
Adam's top three.

01:06:08.21
youcantcompthis
Yep.

01:06:09.69
Adz
I've got Fox as a Smokey, he's in number three.

01:06:14.51
youcantcompthis
Woof. Yep.

01:06:20.15
Adz
Chet as my number two because I do I agree completely.

01:06:22.03
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

01:06:24.46
Adz
I think there's a lot of value to be had there and Look let's be controversial.

01:06:35.61
Adz
a I reckon jar.

01:06:37.34
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:37.75
Adz
I'm back on the jar train I Was I was gonna say lock in Steph, but I mean I've been I've been a Steph I

01:06:39.34
youcantcompthis
You got to put something high risk in there, right?

01:06:47.01
Adz
like I've raved about Steph Curry for a long time. So yeah, look, as far as tonight's value, like like let's see whats what's in the bag for, I've got faith in Ja Morant. And yeah, okay, so you're right, chet Chet's too good a value, but I don't know, maybe Fox is a bit underrated and the Kings all have a bounce back this season.

01:07:07.99
youcantcompthis
Alright, Russell's top three, Wembley number one. It's just nothing in my mind that's going to change it at this point in time. SGA number two, and particularly with the year he's coming in for.

01:07:19.98
youcantcompthis
And I'm going to go with Joker at number three. I feel like I've gone a lot of high end there.

01:07:24.36
Adz
Yes.

01:07:25.15
youcantcompthis
And just because of his resume may and like three MVPs, maybe we need to do research into that. What's the pricing point on players with three MVPs?

01:07:32.72
Adz
Hmm.

01:07:35.37
Adz
Yeah, we can do a bit of comp on that.

01:07:35.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:07:37.86
Adz
I'm very interested actually, it's the the stayaways from tonight's. And i've ah my open my eye openers are Zion, Luca, and for me, it's Wembley at the moment.

01:07:43.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, right.

01:07:49.69
youcantcompthis
You're always a stay away on nuclear.

01:07:51.47
Adz
I know, I threw Luca in the middle.

01:07:52.57
youcantcompthis
That's not even a take. That's just a...

01:07:53.84
Adz
But it's not, but it's, you stay away, you're staying away from these ridiculously high pops with it's high risk, high reward, but it's high risk, no reward.

01:08:00.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:02.81
Adz
You know what I mean? Like it's like when we might be good, good value at the 800 mark, he's, he's fairly placed.

01:08:03.59
youcantcompthis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:09.42
Adz
But yeah, but I think, I think Luca and Zion are very, very risky, rich, risky purchases for that high pop count anyway.

01:08:14.69
youcantcompthis
Yeah. I think we need to talk more about this population count on Wembley and like, maybe we can sort of talk to some people outside of the podcast and say, is this a problem? Like you look at Jordan and the massive pop counts, not a problem, you know?

01:08:30.67
youcantcompthis
i

01:08:30.73
Adz
We could start a poll ah and see what people, what the biggest defining factor to buy, to making a purchase is.

01:08:38.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:08:39.64
Adz
Pop count, grade.

01:08:43.93
Adz
No, price, player.

01:08:44.16
youcantcompthis
Price.

01:08:47.31
Adz
Well, aside from the price, but yeah, like what what what what drives what drives price in your mind?

01:08:47.66
youcantcompthis
Yeah, play. Yep.

01:08:52.82
youcantcompthis
Yep. Yep.

01:08:55.83
Adz
Is it the pop count? what ah What drives price down, what drives price up?

01:08:57.82
youcantcompthis
Yep.

01:08:59.31
Adz
like We'll workshop it a little bit.

01:09:01.28
youcantcompthis
yeah

01:09:02.03
Adz
But um yeah, this has been fun. I enjoyed it.

01:09:04.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah, thanks for a good night. ed Thank you everyone for listening to our Central Coast radio listeners. Thank you so much for tuning in. We hope you've enjoyed the tunes. We hope you've enjoyed our basketball chat and see you all next week.

01:09:18.07
Adz
Yeah. See you all next week.