Episode 170: Ingram vs Simons, Dwayne Wade, Russell's Top 10, Adam's Top 5, Banchero, Scottie Barnes,

Episode 170 Russell is back and Adam is primed to chat all things NBA.
We chat through a range of topics
- Brandon Ingram vs Anfernee Simons   Aaleeyah Petty   
- wade statue reveal    
- Adam card vs card 1    Adam card vs card 2
- Russell's Top 10
- Adam's Top 5
- Banchero season so far, 
- Scottie Barnes injury
- 2024 rookie class progress so far 
- Jordan hoops high voltage
- Tony Brown $3.8k
- Jordan Poole review
And we finally discuss Topps Mercury.

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00:00:13.22
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 170 of the You Can't Comp This and NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:24.86
Adz
I'm no longer flying solo and very relieved to be yeah to be doing so. Welcome back, Russell.

00:00:29.88
Russell Gibson
ah Thanks, man. It's good to be back. I had an awesome trip. So, um, yeah, shout out to Drew and Lee and, and his brother. Um, and I am very glad to be home, but I'm also very sad missing Barley.

00:00:45.38
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to lie to you, man. It's like, like paradise over there.

00:00:46.83
Adz
yeah

00:00:49.58
Russell Gibson
Um, I did just really quickly touching about the podcast last week. He did a great job.

00:00:54.25
Adz
I felt like a fish out of water. It's very, it's difficult. Unless I discover like a multi, multiple personalities, it's really hard to bounce things off.

00:01:04.06
Russell Gibson
I don't think people realize how hard it is to actually podcast by yourself.

00:01:04.29
Adz
i

00:01:07.74
Russell Gibson
So the classic example is Zach Lowe. At the start of every podcast, he does like a single dialogue conversation and they are actually amazing when you actually sit down and listen to them.

00:01:10.73
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:19.33
Adz
Mmm Just keeps going yeah Yeah

00:01:19.55
Russell Gibson
And the other guy is Ryan Rosillo. He's actually, he can just talk to himself for like two hours straight. He doesn't care. He's just like, I don't. I don't really want to podcast with someone else. You know, it just seems like he just does his thing.

00:01:29.84
Russell Gibson
But yeah, no, i I think people probably, it's one of those things you don't realize how difficult it is until you give it a go. Because this is a couple of years ago. Now you missed, I can't remember what happened. You were on holidays or something like that.

00:01:40.18
Russell Gibson
I did it myself. My recollection was I was pausing it and editing and it took me like two hours to do an hour. It was just ridiculous. It was the most, yeah, it was painstaking.

00:01:47.29
Adz
It feels, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, next time I'm worst case scenario, I'm like calling my mother and just saying, mum, I'm popping your loudspeaker.

00:01:51.23
Russell Gibson
So

00:01:57.83
Adz
We're going to talk about basketball cards.

00:01:59.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:59.43
Adz
It's yeah.

00:02:00.26
Russell Gibson
Perfect.

00:02:01.31
Adz
Or just randomly call somebody that could be, that could be.

00:02:01.77
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:02:04.91
Russell Gibson
Just out of the phone book.

00:02:05.52
Adz
turn into a completely different show.

00:02:07.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:07.82
Adz
I'm sure everybody on YouTube watching would um would would would lap that up. It would be interesting.

00:02:11.95
Russell Gibson
That's it.

00:02:12.19
Adz
Speaking of which, um we are we are live as per usual on on YouTube.

00:02:15.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hit it out. Yeah.

00:02:18.03
Adz
ah Make sure for all those that that are listening on the radio station, that tune in via other means, head over across to to YouTube, give us a ah like and a subscribe.

00:02:30.81
Adz
make sure the algorithm knows we existed. It'd be great to have everyone support there on YouTube. We do go live every week and the backlog, ah though the back catalog of all the episodes.

00:02:36.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:40.67
Adz
So if you do want to go back and listen to a random episode with random guests, yeah, feel free to jump onto the YouTube and and check it out.

00:02:46.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:49.80
Russell Gibson
So our handle is the same across everything. So at you can't comp this is YouTube at you can't come this for Instagram at you can't come this for Twitter. Facebook's a bit different, but basically if you search for, you can't come this, you'll find us on Facebook too.

00:03:03.42
Adz
You can't, yeah.

00:03:05.73
Russell Gibson
So where else are we at tick tock?

00:03:07.29
Adz
ah TikTok, ah Twitter or X, Instagram, we're all at you can't comp this.

00:03:08.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:14.20
Adz
And YouTube, of course, yep.

00:03:14.25
Russell Gibson
That's it.

00:03:16.82
Adz
Very easy to find.

00:03:17.04
Russell Gibson
I think that's enough sprucing of our socials, isn't it?

00:03:20.06
Adz
It is, it is. I mean, people can find it, I'm sure.

00:03:21.80
Russell Gibson
All right. There's been a lot going on in the NBA, but I think the most important story for me this week was the Brandon Ingram, Anthony Simon story.

00:03:32.93
Russell Gibson
So let's just get straight to it. This is in my mind, uh,

00:03:36.25
Adz
the most important delicious the ffa pre yeah

00:03:38.22
Russell Gibson
The most delicious story that happened in mba and NBA ah law this week. So basically it was the Portland Trailblazers versus the New Orleans Pelicans. It was in Portland. It was going down to the final the final five seconds of the game. The Pelicans had the ball.

00:03:59.79
Russell Gibson
Somehow, Simon's got switched on to Ingram. Ingram backs him down and just knocks down this like nice little jump shot, almost in the paint, just maybe one step out of it. Going back to his bench, all of his teammates are congratulating him and then Herb Jones comes off the bench and says to him, tell her who's better. So for the context of this, what you need to understand is both of these men have a child with Excuse my pronunciation, you're going to need to help me on this one, Ad.

00:04:30.12
Adz
probably

00:04:31.08
Russell Gibson
Alia, spelt A-A-L-E-E-Y-A-H.

00:04:35.36
Adz
probably say I went um I

00:04:36.86
Russell Gibson
Alia? Alaya?

00:04:39.96
Adz
Aaliyah, or Aaliyah.

00:04:41.42
Russell Gibson
Alia? ah Okay, sure. I'll go with that. Petty.

00:04:44.84
Adz
Aaliyah, yeah.

00:04:45.35
Russell Gibson
So if you'd like to follow this young lady, she's also a Instagram model slash influencer.

00:04:52.10
Adz
Influencer.

00:04:53.57
Russell Gibson
whatever that these people do. i I don't really know what their jobs are, but whatever she's doing, she's a basketball, a wag.

00:04:57.27
Adz
She doesn't look like a basketball, or I can tell you that.

00:05:01.33
Russell Gibson
I think that's the um the phrase, isn't it?

00:05:02.87
Adz
That's, yeah.

00:05:03.84
Russell Gibson
Whatever she's doing, she's winning in life. So I say hats off to you, lady. It's a pretty good Instagram to follow.

00:05:11.87
Adz
Yep.

00:05:12.52
Russell Gibson
If you're a betting man, it also put Ingram over his points line for the night. So he needed plus um over 18.5. So there was a lot of happy people when it came to this.

00:05:21.76
Adz
A lot of winning from in the Ingram camp I think.

00:05:24.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:05:24.61
Adz
Yes.

00:05:24.88
Russell Gibson
And look, I think, you know, in true, you can't comp this law. What we should do now is talk about some card value. So Brandon Ingram, silver PSA 10, population 203.

00:05:36.19
Russell Gibson
If you look at this in one year, he's down a lot. He's down 75%. So this has started around the $200 mark. It's down to 50 bucks at the moment.

00:05:43.90
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.

00:05:46.17
Russell Gibson
Like there's a lot of stuff like this a moment I feel like this is what we're gonna be talking about a lot this season is you know how much stuff is down in the last 12 months how much cards are down the last two years so I feel like this is almost the I think you can look at I think it's good to look at all of it to be honest with you man I think like so for example if you go back two years that was a $300 card

00:05:56.44
Adz
Is 12 months the right gauge though? is ah is ah Is it one of those that we start looking at six months and three months like to look at has everything stabled off is what I'm getting at. Hmm.

00:06:14.04
Adz
Oh, wow.

00:06:14.33
Russell Gibson
And so, and 2023 is technically post COVID, if I'm getting my, if I'm getting my brain, Jesus.

00:06:14.72
Adz
Okay. Yeah.

00:06:19.16
Adz
Yeah, it is. It is. Well, 2021, 22 is where things were.

00:06:23.04
Russell Gibson
So in COVID, it was two, it was nearly 2,500. Yeah.

00:06:26.99
Adz
Wow.

00:06:28.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So actually look, the pop on that's not outrageous. And then we compare that to Simon's. I'm pretty sure Simon's is going to have a high pop on his.

00:06:36.05
Adz
Yeah. I mean, it's still down almost 50% over the last six months. So.

00:06:40.31
Russell Gibson
Ingram.

00:06:41.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:41.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:42.45
Adz
Yeah. So.

00:06:43.72
Russell Gibson
So just so I don't get confused, we're moving on to Simon's now. So the population on this is a lot bigger. It's 1,429.

00:06:50.21
Adz
Yep.

00:06:50.98
Russell Gibson
All time high on that was 323. So obviously he didn't have like the massive spike that he had in the last year.

00:06:57.35
Adz
We've posted the COVID, he didn't get the po the the COVID crazy spike, did he?

00:07:01.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, when and Ingram came out, he was, he went to the Lakers.

00:07:02.43
Adz
Really?

00:07:05.21
Russell Gibson
He was a top draft pick where Simons was more sort of, you know, coming off the bench for the Blazers.

00:07:05.62
Adz
oh

00:07:09.69
Russell Gibson
He was more of a project type thing.

00:07:09.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:11.29
Russell Gibson
So it's not a true, but still, I think in this context, it's a beautiful comp to be honest.

00:07:16.03
Adz
It's a very, it's,

00:07:16.17
Russell Gibson
So last sold at $36 for Simons. Yeah. And when you,

00:07:20.87
Adz
I think this is a really good card versus card option.

00:07:23.72
Russell Gibson
When you average out the $50 versus the 36, that's also probably about where their contracts are like proportionally based and also the child support payments. So this is another like fantastic comp that's happening here too.

00:07:31.60
Adz
Possibly.

00:07:35.50
Adz
Oh, I'll take the Ingram every day of the week for 50 bucks.

00:07:35.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah,

00:07:39.45
Russell Gibson
yeah that's quite nice, isn't it really?

00:07:40.82
Adz
I'll take, I'll take, that's um that's good value, I think.

00:07:40.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:44.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:44.46
Adz
PopCanner200, Brandon Ingram's not that bad a player. I think $50 is probably underselling him.

00:07:47.18
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:07:50.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And look, I think that's fine, but I think it's just also a really interesting observation. I think what's happening in the hobby at the moment where there you can sort of, my my gut feeling is that the there is a lot of people jumping out at the moment.

00:07:57.67
Adz
Mm-hmm There is a lot of It's a buyer's market for sure yeah, yeah, you know it doesn't it

00:08:02.37
Russell Gibson
And so I actually wonder if kind of the smart people at the moment are snapping up just like very sort of heady purchases. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. All righty, that's enough.

00:08:14.66
Russell Gibson
I've had my fun. Let's move on to the next thing, which is also very serious, okay? This is a very serious podcast we need to talk about.

00:08:20.89
Adz
There's no need to make any funny faces about it, any...

00:08:23.38
Russell Gibson
No jokes, no jokes, but we did have the Dwayne Wade reveal of his statue at the Miami Heat Arena.

00:08:24.68
Adz
Yeah, let's keep a straight face.

00:08:31.47
Russell Gibson
I mean, there's been so many memes around this.

00:08:33.09
Adz
Who?

00:08:33.71
Russell Gibson
We were talking about this off air, like our favorite memes. I think my favorite one was the shining one where it's got his face coming through the door that he's like chopped down with the axe.

00:08:39.27
Adz
Coming through the door.

00:08:41.65
Russell Gibson
That was pretty delicious.

00:08:42.51
Adz
My favorite would be the um the the Star Wars, the Han Solo in Carbonite.

00:08:42.69
Russell Gibson
um

00:08:48.51
Adz
Just the...

00:08:53.51
Adz
Given that's ah another metal finish, it's probably most appropriate. And then there was a Thanos one, but...

00:08:59.13
Russell Gibson
I think we should have this as the thumbnail for this week's podcast actually and just like zoom it right in.

00:09:02.53
Adz
Just Wayne Wade in carbonite.

00:09:03.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah. it is ah

00:09:05.23
Adz
ah

00:09:08.47
Adz
He's not the worst statue head of all time, but he's bloody close.

00:09:12.26
Russell Gibson
So when I first saw this, I actually thought it was like a piece take. I'm like, this can't be real, you know, this this can't be right. And when I looked into it further, so I actually found footage of Wade looking at the prototype. So before it was turned into metal, they carve out, you know, like a clay one underneath it. And you know, whatever they do, I don't know what the process is, but They had a prototype.

00:09:33.29
Russell Gibson
He looked at it and he okayed it. So, you know, there's a part of me that's kind of like, well, if you saw it and you knew what they were going to do to you it and you said yes, and you didn't give them, you know, the appropriate feedback as far as I'm concerned, you know, this is on you, mate.

00:09:39.11
Adz
i

00:09:46.97
Russell Gibson
So.

00:09:47.34
Adz
I just, there's no part of me that thinks that is an accurate representation of Wayne Wade.

00:09:54.40
Russell Gibson
So again, I heard him say this in in an interview. He basically said that it's an artistic interpretation of a moment in time and that part of it why it looks a bit weird is because of the way that they did his beard.

00:10:09.09
Russell Gibson
So that sort of makes his face look a bit like wonky.

00:10:09.45
Adz
i

00:10:12.13
Adz
There's nothing to it's nothing about the way his beard looks. There's other things in there, like his eyes.

00:10:15.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:17.65
Adz
ah That's the other meme, it's the Morpheus one from The the Matrix.

00:10:19.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And now we're back on memes. The other one was when he's throwing that lob to LeBron, someone's photoshopped the, yeah.

00:10:28.04
Adz
That's right, but he's photoing there. That's, oh my goodness.

00:10:32.47
Russell Gibson
And actually when you see it from the angle like that, it kind of makes sense what he's talking about when it comes to the beard. So yeah, it's a tricky one.

00:10:39.08
Adz
I don't know, it's not just the beard. It's just, I don't know. He hasn't, he's not been bronzed very well.

00:10:47.82
Adz
Tough, tough. Oh well.

00:10:50.08
Russell Gibson
Anyway, what we are going to do those, he did.

00:10:50.99
Adz
I mean, he got a statue.

00:10:53.60
Russell Gibson
And I think he deserves the statue too, by the way.

00:10:53.61
Adz
It's pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah.

00:10:55.56
Russell Gibson
Like, I think what he did for that Miami team was legit. It is a shame that he wasn't always with the heat that he left for the Bulls. I think that's like, and it's ah it's a tiny grain of sand in a big beach in terms of his career.

00:11:04.11
Adz
Tainted his career a little bit.

00:11:09.57
Russell Gibson
But I think romantically for me, also with the heat and the heat culture, you know, it it was a bit of a shame that he left for the Bulls, but

00:11:10.35
Adz
True, true.

00:11:17.48
Adz
This is, yeah, yeah.

00:11:18.66
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:11:19.91
Adz
Would have been nice to be a one team, a one team guy.

00:11:20.16
Russell Gibson
Uh, two.

00:11:23.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like Dirk or LeBron or I mean, sorry, not LeBron.

00:11:26.51
Adz
Kobe.

00:11:27.78
Russell Gibson
Yep. Uh, 2003 tops Chrome Dwayne Wade number 115 PSA 10.

00:11:34.96
Adz
Okay.

00:11:35.16
Russell Gibson
So this is the refractor. If I didn't say that before population on this is 160. So this is in the good old days where, uh, this is selling at the moment for 1,550.

00:11:49.25
Russell Gibson
I like this a lot. It's a lot of money, but at the same time, I love the population. Uh, I love his pedigree and I do think moving forward, he has that collector collectability in terms of, you know, him being culturally relevant still.

00:11:57.88
Adz
Hmm Interesting interesting that over the last year he he's actually up Yeah

00:12:07.70
Russell Gibson
So I think that's going to be, um, I think it's a shrewd purchase. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, if you zoom out a bit, dad, though, he's actually down 20% over two years because he once sold for 2,700.

00:12:25.62
Russell Gibson
Oh man.

00:12:25.71
Adz
Bit of a spike, all time.

00:12:27.47
Russell Gibson
And if you go to all time, this sold for 5,600, uh, at one point. So you can make a very strong argument that 1,500.

00:12:37.04
Adz
well Well, I was gonna say this, um if you go right out to the all time numbers during the COVID spike, this did sell at one point for 16 and a half thousand dollars.

00:12:44.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:49.16
Russell Gibson
Oh, yeah, I missed that. Sorry, mate. I had the had the mouse in the wrong dot space. It does that sometimes, actually.

00:12:54.88
Adz
so but Yeah, but see but that aside from that, the 2021 to 2022, like that that anomaly, there's still a couple of interesting spikes, but I mean, I don't know, 1500, is that a good price for for a D Wade rookie?

00:13:04.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:12.45
Russell Gibson
I think that's very reasonable. I think when you, if you say, well, Luca is, you know, a thousand bucks at the moment and you say, oh, wait, is that, but then you think about the pop count, like, yeah.

00:13:14.19
Adz
Yeah, given his career.

00:13:21.95
Adz
Mm. By looking at the pop canter set at the very least as well, looking at his resume, it's a very good yeah good price.

00:13:29.07
Russell Gibson
Yep. Alrighty. So this is really, this next segment is a kudos to you. Cause it was just, it's just too hard doing it by yourself. So we've got your card versus card from last week. We've got Anthony Edwards versus LeBron James. So the Edwards is 25,800. That's the black gold.

00:13:46.23
Adz
Yes, well I put it to the listeners because I didn't have any anyone to argue with.

00:13:49.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's hard. That's tough, man. And then you got the LeBron black one of one there. look I actually think this is a really tough one to choose and I'm actually gonna keep this really simple for me I'm gonna go with the Edwards just because it's the rookie card I would probably get this

00:13:58.13
Adz
Mmm Yeah, I was I was in two minds about it yeah

00:14:06.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I would get this re-slabbed and then I would ah send it off to PSA in terms of the LeBron 9.5. If you, if you make the argument, you're going to purchase that. I've got no problems with that to be perfectly honest with you. I think either of these would be good, but if you really have to twist my arm, I'm just going for the Edwards. Cause it's a rookie card. I think at the end of the day, that's what's more important to my soul, I suppose. Yeah.

00:14:27.78
Adz
Yeah, no, I definitely think um the rookie card is is a defining factor here and really makes it an interesting interesting bit of competition.

00:14:33.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:36.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:38.07
Adz
Oh, the fact that it's the the championship LeBron, do you know what I mean?

00:14:40.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's a, it's a great comp man.

00:14:42.84
Adz
Like it's a, our card ladder did the job here, but after seeing it, I thought, well, it was opening night, right?

00:14:44.21
Russell Gibson
Honestly, you did a good job picking that one up. Yeah. This is true. Yeah.

00:14:50.26
Adz
It was Wolves versus Lakers.

00:14:52.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:52.96
Adz
So, I mean, part of me wants to say LeBron, but I think you I agree with you, the Edwards.

00:14:59.78
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:15:00.45
Adz
um That's based on the trajectory I think Edwards is headed on.

00:15:03.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:15:04.56
Adz
There are some disagreement, there there well there's an agreement and a disagreement. We've got a couple of comments.

00:15:09.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I've run through it, man. Go hit me.

00:15:10.10
Adz
ah Matthew Hull, Edwards for now, I'm a liberal ah um a LeBron hater, so I have no interest in him. However, good value to hold um for his retirement.

00:15:20.92
Russell Gibson
I don't actually, I don't actually understand, truly understand LeBron haters.

00:15:21.06
Adz
ah Brad,

00:15:26.55
Adz
yeah

00:15:27.34
Russell Gibson
Like he's, I get it. Like, you know, he's a bit of, you know, he definitely appreciates himself a lot. I get that. But at the same time, he's not a bad guy. He's not a P Diddy, you know, it's like,

00:15:37.68
Adz
ah yeah haha yeah true true but look at his body of work i think is he's like you've got it what he's done for the game what he's done for the ki yeah it is um and then we've got

00:15:39.58
Russell Gibson
you know, yeah. And the contributions to the community, like, yeah. Yeah.

00:15:48.92
Russell Gibson
He's leaving this world in a better place. Let's just put it that way.

00:15:51.61
Adz
Brad van Delft, LBJ, yeah, LBJ once he retires, um that gets to a value and won't be able to match.

00:15:53.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:00.92
Adz
That's a, it is, it's a one-of-one LeBron. You think about, um but i want imagine a one-of-one Kobe, a one-of-one MJ, like, yeah, this is gonna, this but it probably is gonna go up quite quite a ways post retirement.

00:16:16.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. This next one is also really good. So this is the black true one of one Jalen Brunson autograph. They've just put this in authentic.

00:16:27.06
Russell Gibson
So it's in a slab. Who knows what the grade is. You would assume that it's not well graded. So let's call it six just for argument's sake versus the Jason Tatum.

00:16:34.63
Adz
Yep.

00:16:37.95
Russell Gibson
um mosaic goals that'll be numbered to 10 gem mint 10 auto 10 so it doesn't get any better than that look this one for me is actually again really tough because i think having a one-on-one of Jaylen Brunson is a really good idea but i think if you sort of zoom out in terms of who's going to be more important in 10 years i think Jason Tatum is going to be more important i also really love mosaic so i have an incredibly soft spot for that ah in addition to the 10 10 i'm going to go with the tatum here just for that

00:16:38.15
Adz
Mmm. Yep. Yep.

00:17:07.47
Russell Gibson
And we are, I am going to be talking more about Tatum in my top 10 tonight. So, um, please.

00:17:12.39
Adz
Well, um'm I'm um um'm not gonna say Brunson. I definitely, i think it's I think it's Tatum for sure.

00:17:16.30
Russell Gibson
Why not?

00:17:18.79
Russell Gibson
Oh, really?

00:17:19.88
Adz
Yeah, I think it's Tatum for sure.

00:17:20.58
Russell Gibson
I don't think it's that clear cut though, man. I think one of one of Brunson is like, damn good, you know?

00:17:25.54
Adz
Is the, I don't know. I just think it's, yeah, I think it's Tatum.

00:17:33.51
Russell Gibson
That's fine. Yeah.

00:17:34.74
Adz
Yeah, I mean, the Brunson's a rookie. Is it a rookie? Yeah, they're both. Are they both rookie?

00:17:41.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's rookie. Yeah, that's his rookie year.

00:17:42.57
Adz
They're both rookie years.

00:17:43.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:43.76
Adz
Yeah. So they're both rookie year. I mean, Card Ladder reckons that Brunson's worth 12K and the Tatum's worth six, six and a half.

00:17:52.01
Russell Gibson
so Yeah, so.

00:17:53.32
Adz
But I don't know, number to 10, I just, I think Tatum's got the more decorated career.

00:18:00.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:00.92
Adz
And and that is why I'm i'm i'm on board with Tatum.

00:18:05.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:07.49
Adz
Literally, I've got some comments on it.

00:18:07.57
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.

00:18:09.50
Adz
It's got way more comments.

00:18:09.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah, hit me.

00:18:11.68
Adz
Ryan Miller, Mavs fans, so Brunson. um If I was neutral though, it's Tatum, easily. One of one's a special, but there's a huge gap between these two, talent and career wise.

00:18:23.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:23.83
Adz
That's an interesting take, given Brunson's been thrust into the spotlight this season and last season. um Matthew Hull, right now, still Tatum. Game one of the season tells the tale of a man of the team versus the team of the man, and he ain't up for it, Brunson, bronson that is. Interesting. Game one of the season. It's a small sample size of of data to go on there, but

00:18:52.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, hate is gonna hate, right?

00:18:53.88
Adz
Brad Van Delft, Tatum, he wanted chip but yeah won a chip for the team that drafted him and is still with them. Brunson's great, but if he we um but if he wins one, it won't be with the Mavs, so loses a bit of value here.

00:19:08.33
Adz
Game one was a great example of who steps up to Tatum, bald.

00:19:11.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:12.98
Adz
Mark Cahill, I'm going to go with Tatum on this. Boston has a bigger fan base than Dallas, equals more buyers, yep. Anthony Milne, Tatum will be the better.

00:19:22.60
Russell Gibson
It's got a lot of traction now. Yeah.

00:19:24.13
Adz
Yeah, but he will be MVP in the next two years. Have to agree that Tatum is the more likely MVP candidate out of these two.

00:19:31.34
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:19:32.88
Adz
And finally, George Geolouris.

00:19:39.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Sounds good.

00:19:41.34
Adz
Bronson went into a went to a terrible franchise and turned it about bringing New York basketball back, and he's only getting started. Tatum, well, not much to say about Tatum, and he's bland and can be last year's champion. Doesn't define him. It was a cakewalk. And half the league was injured.

00:20:01.43
Russell Gibson
come on like did you actually watch the games or did you just read the box course right

00:20:07.45
Adz
it's uh look i have to admit i don't mind it when the celtics cop flack so um i don't agree but i i do i do like seeing the celtics cop it a little bit um yeah i'm i'm i'm on tatum because yeah nah

00:20:25.49
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go to our first commercial break and then we'll come back with my top 10 so far. US Sports Cards Australia, thank you so much for your huge pledge. You're going to be with us, I think for at least the next 12 months. My maths is not fantastic, but the cash will work out somewhere in that sort of 12 month range. So guys at US Sports Cards Australia, thank you so much for everything you do for us. They run sports breaks, they do pop culture, they do ice hockey, NFL, MLB, NBA, they sell singles. The thing that Ross is really getting to at the moment though,

00:21:02.57
Russell Gibson
is his selling of singles so go to us sports cards australia dot.com.au click on the three noodles and then you can go down to the singles category that will take you to Ross's page where basically what the service he's providing is a consignment service so you send all of your cards to Ross then you can um let him take care of all the work. He'll list the cards, he'll sell them, he'll post them out to people and then just basically put the money back into your account. Now, I was talking to Ross this week on the phone. He's got 5,000 cards uploaded already. He's got another 3,000 cards in preparation ah to be put up. So he's definitely growing out this little project that he's working on. When I say little, he's hoping it's going to grow into something much bigger.

00:21:51.29
Russell Gibson
Uh, reach out to him on the website if you'd like to submit your cards to get them up because he's definitely taking more consignments as we speak. So thank you so much U.S. Sports Cards Australia.

00:22:05.69
Russell Gibson
All righty Ad, we are back. Let's just get straight into it.

00:22:09.82
Adz
Alright, what's next on the...

00:22:23.22
Russell Gibson
The budget, me too man, the budget on our show is just out of this world.

00:22:23.29
Adz
Every time you play that, I want to play NBA Jam.

00:22:28.93
Russell Gibson
Like that's something out of the the Lord of the Rings trilogy when it comes to expenditure on sound effects and stuff.

00:22:31.92
Adz
It's true, it's true.

00:22:35.50
Adz
Get a Grammy soon for music on a radio show.

00:22:39.36
Russell Gibson
All righty, I got to tell you in my head, I was going to go number one was Banchero. Then the next thing I wake up the other day and he's got a torn labrum or something like this. so

00:22:48.06
Adz
na na nar No,

00:22:49.90
Russell Gibson
Banjo is out. So I had to re-re-pivot. Number one is Joshua Giddy. I probably should have started at 10 and worked to one, but let's just get straight to it.

00:23:00.78
Adz
um Sounds like you are starting a 10. Josh Giddy.

00:23:03.60
Russell Gibson
Nah, I'm putting him at number one.

00:23:05.31
Adz
Number one.

00:23:05.46
Russell Gibson
I'll get to it. I'll get to it in a second. So this is just one game he had the other day. 12 points, 13 rebounds, eight assists, one steal, one block, two of four from three.

00:23:14.21
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:23:14.83
Russell Gibson
And just watching the Bulls, they just look good at the moment. and It's so weird. like

00:23:18.35
Adz
competitive or good?

00:23:20.65
Russell Gibson
good They look good, like I think they're a good league pass team. And the other funny observation I had about the Bulls, it's like, I feel like this team is, you know, I i made that sort of observation of like, if you're going to flip cards, buy cards that you like, because you might get stuck with them.

00:23:24.36
Adz
Okay. Okay.

00:23:35.66
Russell Gibson
I feel like the if you think about the whole Bulls roster, who's going to take these plays away in trades. No one wants Vusovich. No one's got to want Pat Williams at that money. No one wants Zach Levine.

00:23:45.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:46.30
Russell Gibson
They've been trying to unload this dude for like 12 months. Giddy was actually a giveaway. Like the Thunder was just like, will you please take this, you know, numbskull off her hands. No one's taking Kobe like no one's a small undersized point guy that can't defend but then they're all kind of stuck on the same team together and but now they're kind of playing well like I like it and I think Giddy has been instrumental for them.

00:23:55.97
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:11.66
Russell Gibson
I think he's played really well. And I'm going to go further than this. I think that the Bulls won the trade. So Josh Giddy this year so far, 15.4 points per game, 8.4 rebounds, 5.8 assists. I love all those numbers. Like that's my type of and NBA player just across the board. 48% from field goal, 59 from three. That will, that will flatten out. Alex Caruso on the other hand, 1.3 points per game, three rebounds, 2.3 assists, 13% from the field and 11% from three. Obviously again, very small sample size, but you know, I think that is important to talk about.

00:24:43.61
Russell Gibson
Now the reason why I put him at number one is because of his price. He is bottomed out and this is something that is genuinely taking me by surprise because there's nothing particularly happened um to him. So the last sold price was $25.

00:24:57.26
Adz
$25.

00:24:58.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and that could be a single sale that's wrong or it could be, you know, what's happening in the moment.

00:25:02.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:04.35
Russell Gibson
So the two sales before that were 92 and 79. So let's just kind of average those three out, you know, and let's call it, you know, 60 or 70 bucks, but still.

00:25:11.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:15.26
Adz
They're still going around the 50 mark six months ago.

00:25:15.50
Russell Gibson
um

00:25:17.95
Adz
Like I don't see that 25 as being a legit for that for a PSA 10.

00:25:18.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:22.11
Adz
I don't.

00:25:22.19
Russell Gibson
Well, it's on Cardletter though, like their data, I sort of consider their data to be quite clean.

00:25:22.85
Adz
Yeah. It's pretty solid. Yeah.

00:25:26.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I don't know that, you know, so that's my number one. ah Number two, this is from actually one of our listeners, ah Jared Begg. Now, I looked at the timestamps on this because there's been a bit of online chatter on this, so I'm not going to go into this too much, but it's around the Menendez brother.

00:25:43.79
Russell Gibson
And what Jared pointed out was actually that it's a Jordan card with the Menendez brothers in the back of it.

00:25:48.22
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:49.48
Russell Gibson
So my observation on this is like, this is 20 times more collectible than the Mark Jackson. i've never understood I've never actually truly understood the Mark Jackson one.

00:25:57.93
Adz
Well, this was my question last week. Like when ah when I was speaking about it, I'm like, does the fact that it's a Jordan make it more more collectible?

00:26:00.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:02.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:06.49
Adz
And I think I agree.

00:26:06.74
Russell Gibson
Yes.

00:26:07.45
Adz
Yes, it does.

00:26:08.18
Russell Gibson
Yes, it does. A hundred percent. People, Jordan is liquid and people collect Jordan.

00:26:09.62
Adz
All of the data

00:26:13.01
Russell Gibson
Yes.

00:26:13.13
Adz
All right, so, if it's selling anywhere from 60 to 180 US, or a raw version of this card, what is, what is PSA 10 worth?

00:26:13.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:18.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:26.29
Russell Gibson
Well, that's right. So that's the other play here is because looking at into this is not much data at all, which makes me think that this card is only a recent discovery of the Menendez brothers in the background.

00:26:32.82
Adz
No.

00:26:38.59
Adz
Agreed.

00:26:39.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:40.03
Adz
I think, um

00:26:40.92
Russell Gibson
So Jared, well done mate. You actually beat Eric White back to this small story. So

00:26:47.33
Adz
hi

00:26:47.60
Russell Gibson
I think it's it's really cool and obviously sports card nonsense you know beat us to the punch but that's totally fine we're not going to go into it too much but that's number two on my list. Number three is Trey Mann so hear me out on this one.

00:27:00.71
Russell Gibson
Trey Mann was essentially a discard from the Thunder and I think the issue with the Thunder what I have in terms of collecting these guys is like

00:27:03.56
Adz
Nice.

00:27:08.48
Russell Gibson
They're so loaded, it's hard for their players to get a game. So Trey Mann is the exact thing of this.

00:27:11.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:14.08
Russell Gibson
He couldn't even make their roster.

00:27:14.18
Adz
Mmm.

00:27:16.25
Russell Gibson
He's scored 55 points coming off the bench so far this season, second in the league to Buddy Heald at number one with 57 points. So, you know, I think in terms of, you know,

00:27:26.66
Adz
That's impressive.

00:27:29.02
Russell Gibson
And we talked about this, you know, more than once opportunity, fit, situation, all that stuff needs to work out for these NBA players.

00:27:33.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:35.87
Russell Gibson
And, you know, I'm just so happy for, for Trey man. My next one at number four is Dyson Daniels. Look, I love Dyson Daniels for so many different reasons, but I think my observation, I probably watched more Hawks this year than I'd really care to admit.

00:27:52.12
Russell Gibson
And my observation of the Hawks is that. They've basically just given the keys to Trae Young. So if this team succeeds, it's going to be because of Trae Young. If they fail, it's basically going to be because of Trae Young.

00:28:02.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:04.13
Russell Gibson
And I really do think the Dyson Daniels fit is good.

00:28:06.44
Adz
Hmm.

00:28:07.18
Russell Gibson
Yes, he has had some injury problems already this year, but I think when he was on the court, it looked really, really good. and the fit in my head makes so much sense so just really quickly he's not on card letter so this is just from 130 point a silver rookie sold for seven dollars and fourteen cents a green variation contenders uh on card autograph from optic contenders i should say that's the important point there for 26 usd

00:28:16.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:19.06
Adz
Yep.

00:28:33.88
Russell Gibson
and then there's the photon prism which comes out of optic with a really weird looking um head proportion on that but that's actually not how the card looks it's four bucks on that one there so i think all of those are just really good buyers i've got no problems with with those at all and i think dyson daniel's coming to the league was

00:28:44.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:52.74
Russell Gibson
a project and we all knew that so this I think this is his part of his normal sort of trajectory so this is like right on point for him.

00:28:55.63
Adz
yeah

00:29:00.57
Russell Gibson
Number five I've got Jason Tatum and I to deliberately put him at five and this is my reason for this.

00:29:00.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:06.80
Russell Gibson
We talk a lot about on and off the show about future value or undervalued I think what we should do is from now on use Jason Tatum as a measuring stick for the league because his price is very reasonable. I don't think it's too high. I don't think it's too low. $760 was his last sold in terms of population. Yes, it is high. It's at 900, but it's also not.

00:29:32.48
Russell Gibson
when be higher it's not Luca high and so and then you think about his pedigree and his resume well then he's got one championship he was the MVP last year I don't care what anyone says about this I'm gonna die on a hill about this he was more valuable than Jalen Brown I don't care

00:29:33.45
Adz
I Yeah, you're right You mean the finals MVP Yeah, yeah for sure

00:29:51.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Finals MVP, like that should have been Tatum's. It was just stupid. And the award is stupid in itself. Like, like Iguodala won it over Steph Curry. Like, again, don't at me about this. Like it's nonsense, you know?

00:30:03.16
Adz
Lebron should have won it that year.

00:30:03.22
Russell Gibson
um

00:30:04.48
Adz
Anyway.

00:30:05.25
Russell Gibson
Sure. Anyone but Iguodal. I don't care. Draymond, right? Don't fuss me. Yeah. Anyway, back to Tatum. I really think that this guy is appropriately priced.

00:30:15.49
Russell Gibson
And I think that's also why I put him in the middle of my, like, you know, in my top 10.

00:30:15.75
Adz
Mmm.

00:30:19.38
Russell Gibson
So I think we, what we should do, add, I think moving forward in the episodes, we just keep going back to Tatum.

00:30:19.89
Adz
Yep.

00:30:24.49
Adz
Well, what's interesting it's interesting you mentioned, it it's interesting you mentioned, ta because I've got the CardLadder info up on the screen at the moment, and everyone can see the 12 month thing.

00:30:24.55
Russell Gibson
Is this above Tatum? Is it below Tatum? You know.

00:30:32.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:37.09
Adz
There's a lot of movement, but it sits between 700 and 900.

00:30:39.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:42.07
Adz
Like this guy is clockwork.

00:30:42.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's very consistent, isn't it? Up and down. Yeah.

00:30:47.29
Adz
Like it's not a flat line, but it's consistently in that spot.

00:30:47.71
Russell Gibson
It's consistently inconsistent. Yeah. But he's also down 10% in the last 12 months. id Like there's, for me, I find the logic on this card quite hard to sort of get my head around.

00:30:59.31
Russell Gibson
It's like, so.

00:30:59.34
Adz
Yep. Yep. That, that, that 760, the last, the, what it's down from is 850. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's sitting in, in a spot.

00:31:05.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:08.85
Adz
It's in a zone. And look, I, I think, um, I think Tatum's get good value at the moment.

00:31:10.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:15.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And appropriately priced too. I think now pricing.

00:31:18.35
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

00:31:19.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Not future priced.

00:31:20.41
Adz
Yep.

00:31:20.99
Russell Gibson
You know, this is great.

00:31:21.90
Adz
i think I think Tatum is at Tatum's current value.

00:31:21.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:25.22
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:31:25.50
Adz
You're right. You're right. It's a good you like measuring stick for the the present. If you wanna look at the future, we'll look at other people.

00:31:34.22
Russell Gibson
ah Number 6 and 7 is Thunder. I had to give them two spots here just because of how impressive they've been so far. So there's 6 and 0 this year. They've had a pretty solid opposition schedule.

00:31:45.52
Adz
but i struggle I struggled to give this guy a spot, but you're right.

00:31:49.58
Russell Gibson
I just think the Thunder have been so good man and I think Chet is better than last year and I think

00:31:53.72
Adz
He is. He started earlier, still. Yeah, he is.

00:31:56.16
Russell Gibson
We're going to touch on this a little bit later, but I think this is, I can mention this now. I think the rookie class is so bad this year that we we actually have to go back and look at previous drafts and sort of like see where the value is. So I think sort of keep that in mind for two seconds. So Chet,

00:32:11.22
Russell Gibson
this year versus Wembley this is a really cool graph this came from clutch points 22 points for Chet 16 for Wembley 11 rebounds apiece there two assists each there 3.5 blocks for Chet 2.8 for Wembley 1.5 steals I don't think that's right for Wembley he's actually getting one steal a game 58% from the floor for Chet 40% for Wembley

00:32:15.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:31.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:34.77
Russell Gibson
33% for Chet from 3, 19% for Wembley, and then 69% from the Free-for 90% for Wembley. So there's some, likes that's kind of a cool, again, small sample size, but still a really cool comparison there.

00:32:47.87
Adz
Early in the season, I guess.

00:32:49.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:49.11
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:50.23
Russell Gibson
Chet on Cardletter though is is not low. He's actually a lot higher than probably what you would expect. Lars sold for 360 population count, a little bit less than Tatum, it's at 587.

00:33:00.74
Adz
Well, he's up. Not a lot, but he's his's up over the last 12 months, yeah.

00:33:03.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we have to give SGA some flowers here, of course. So let's just really quickly talk about SGA 672.

00:33:10.64
Adz
Yep.

00:33:11.60
Russell Gibson
So again, less than Tatum 610 is he sold price. So again, less than Tatum. I think this is a, it's such a good measuring stick. add You know, yeah.

00:33:20.26
Adz
You're right, you're very right though. over he's up He's up, but he's...

00:33:24.88
Russell Gibson
I need to.

00:33:24.89
Adz
That 600 part, I think we've talked about where SGA should be and I think 600 was where i I was sitting on it.

00:33:31.16
Russell Gibson
He deserves to be up, but I sort of feel like this, this is too high for him considering he hasn't won a championship.

00:33:35.87
Adz
Really?

00:33:37.08
Russell Gibson
You know, he hasn't done all these other things that Tatum's done, you know, so.

00:33:39.59
Adz
do you mean Does that mean Lucas should be a $600 card?

00:33:42.27
Russell Gibson
Nah, Luke has got a lot more like pedigree than like, frankly, both of those guys, but you know, yeah.

00:33:47.36
Adz
Pedigree, pedigree. How many championships? How many MVPs?

00:33:50.59
Russell Gibson
Ah, man, he, he's just so good.

00:33:54.52
Adz
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna ride that old chestnut. I haven't, I haven't got even my top 20 at the moment, so.

00:33:58.64
Russell Gibson
He's just so good. Look, this next one's a stretch at eight. I've got Darius Garland, but the Cavs are seven and oh, and I haven't watched a lot of Cavs this year.

00:34:06.22
Adz
Are they six and I?

00:34:06.67
Russell Gibson
I've mostly been, I've been watching just highlights basically off them, but they look good.

00:34:07.14
Adz
Oh God, they went again.

00:34:11.09
Russell Gibson
You know, they look consistent. They look like a team that have been together for.

00:34:12.91
Adz
Is Garland the raisin?

00:34:15.08
Russell Gibson
I don't think so I think just the whole team is just really good together but I just like garland probably the most hobby wise last sold at $48 I think there's some room to grow the population on this is high it's double tatum doubling a bit 1618 and the last 12 months he's down 26% so that's that

00:34:17.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:20.78
Adz
That's fair.

00:34:24.41
Adz
Probably.

00:34:33.58
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, what I did for my last two picks, um I actually looked at the fantasy stats for the year so far. I actually like to use that as sort of a measuring stick.

00:34:43.47
Adz
As a gauge.

00:34:43.61
Russell Gibson
I went with Anthony Davis. He was number three overall at the moment so his numbers this year are just absolutely fantastic. 31 points a game, nearly three assists. 57% from the field and he's, I think his rebound numbers are like 12 a game.

00:34:57.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So he's up to 12 a game this year.

00:34:59.87
Adz
Yep.

00:35:00.23
Russell Gibson
That's insane. That is just, you know, they're the numbers they've needed from the last two years. He needs to pull his finger out and basically play better.

00:35:06.36
Adz
Is this, is this m MVP level Anthony Davis? Is this what we...

00:35:09.73
Russell Gibson
If he keeps playing like that, he should be in the MVP conversation.

00:35:10.97
Adz
Yep.

00:35:12.53
Russell Gibson
I've got no problems with that. Now this gets really interesting. This is a really good one. Pop on this is 33. So a lot less than our friend Jason Tatum, but the price here is double that 1,400.

00:35:24.59
Russell Gibson
Look, I don't have a problem with this just for the fact, again, because of his pedigree, he was the number one pick.

00:35:29.94
Adz
a

00:35:30.06
Russell Gibson
He's been in team USA. He's got a championship. You know, he's ticked a lot of boxes already.

00:35:35.25
Adz
Interesting, he's down 10% over the last year.

00:35:35.30
Russell Gibson
Look, I think.

00:35:37.96
Adz
It's either up or down 10%, that's where it seems to be everywhere.

00:35:40.77
Russell Gibson
I think most things are going to be down, man. I think we need to start, you know, actually thinking about how close are we to the bottom now? I think that's sort of a bigger conversation.

00:35:48.48
Adz
so I think i think we're we're there's this there's a stabilized element to it.

00:35:50.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:52.80
Adz
It hasn't tanked, it hasn't dropped 90%.

00:35:53.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:54.89
Adz
10% is a decline.

00:35:55.17
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:35:57.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:58.44
Adz
yeah ye

00:35:59.85
Russell Gibson
um My last one I tossed up between Cade Cunningham and Lamallo. I went with Lamallo just because they've had a tiny bit more success than the Pistons have had, but the Pistons are going to be a hot mess this year, so we kind of know where they're at.

00:36:12.50
Russell Gibson
355, this last sold for a population of that 405.

00:36:12.60
Adz
let

00:36:15.74
Russell Gibson
Sorry mate, I cut you off.

00:36:16.92
Adz
like As lamello, is this a hot start to the season? Is this something, ah everything I've seen highlights-wise of lamello ball has been exciting.

00:36:27.88
Russell Gibson
I mean, we're, we're picking at straws here. Like the Hornets are two and four and the Pistons are one and five. Like, you know, like whatever we're really only talk about one game.

00:36:33.57
Adz
Yeah, it could play a bad team, sure.

00:36:35.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But I don't know. I thought the Mallow has looked pretty good so far and you.

00:36:39.20
Adz
I thought lamello start was was very noticeable.

00:36:41.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And look, Cade's game is improved too. So I can't, you know, this is again, I'm really picking at straws here at number 10, but yeah, I just went with this.

00:36:46.43
Adz
or everything caved here.

00:36:48.94
Russell Gibson
I thought it was a good one. So that's my top 10. I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for entertaining me out and you know letting me get through that.

00:36:53.62
Adz
Always.

00:36:56.79
Russell Gibson
And then let's go to a break and we'll come back and we're going to do your takeaways from the year so far, which I'm really looking forward to hearing, particularly after your episode last week made it was great.

00:36:59.64
Adz
Should be some fun.

00:37:08.39
Russell Gibson
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00:38:23.42
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back.

00:38:25.03
Adz
We are back.

00:38:25.34
Russell Gibson
I'm turning the keys over to you. Hit me, my friend.

00:38:28.86
Adz
Time for some takeaways. um ah Look, I briefly touched on it last week.

00:38:30.42
Russell Gibson
Let's go.

00:38:32.54
Adz
um ah I've had some time.

00:38:34.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:34.95
Adz
I've ah ah really Look, i've I've got Jason Tatum as my number one. This man seems hungry.

00:38:41.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:42.90
Adz
He he is ready for a big season.

00:38:45.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:45.96
Adz
It looks like the Celtics are gonna have started where they where they left off last year and they look scary.

00:38:52.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:52.85
Adz
It was a one point loss that they've had.

00:38:54.99
Russell Gibson
They're, they're a well-oiled machine. They've got a lot of continuity that they're going to be hungry again. And they've got all the ammunition.

00:39:01.52
Adz
Jason Tatum's got a chip on his shoulder.

00:39:03.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. They've got all the ammunition they need to like come back and be competitive this year.

00:39:06.34
Adz
Yeah, now these are my these my top five players noticing from the start of the season, not necessarily, probably invay like the MVP picture.

00:39:06.45
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:39:10.61
Russell Gibson
yeah So is this like your MVP ranking type thing? Is it made? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:18.00
Adz
um Number two, I've got Anthony Davis, I think he started the year on fire.

00:39:20.42
Russell Gibson
Cool. Yeah.

00:39:22.80
Adz
Number three, and and um I'm sad to hear that he's injured, but I had Paolo, I had Banchero.

00:39:27.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:29.05
Adz
um That was, it was if Orlando were to make big in roads this season he's the one that's got to do it he's got to take a step up and score and that 50 piece was just like that oh my god he can do it so he's hoping he's not too badly injured yeah for sure okay

00:39:40.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Can I just... um Can I just wedge in on that here? So actually I did a little bit of research on this myself.

00:39:51.43
Russell Gibson
So basically he has got a torn right oblique. Now the problem with this injury, I was reading up about it is it's basically one of those things of like either it heals or it doesn't heal.

00:40:03.96
Russell Gibson
And then you don't know what the timeline is, what it's going to be for. So it's one of those injuries of where there's often not a timeline that's set. I'm saying this in a very roundabout way.

00:40:12.50
Adz
Okay.

00:40:14.37
Russell Gibson
Basically, he's going to be reevaluated in November, but they're saying that Christmas, maybe he'll be back.

00:40:14.82
Adz
Yep.

00:40:21.99
Russell Gibson
It just depends on how he responds to treatment. So, you know, look, I think people were putting money into this guy.

00:40:24.97
Adz
That's some...

00:40:28.36
Russell Gibson
And I i think for all the right reasons, I think everything for this guy was training the right reasons.

00:40:28.90
Adz
Mmm.

00:40:32.48
Russell Gibson
You spoke about it, the 50 point game that he had.

00:40:35.17
Adz
Yeah, and there's been it's that sort of is it that year three sometimes like it's it's that point It's the this is the this is the year that it's supposed to happen.

00:40:35.62
Russell Gibson
um

00:40:39.29
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.

00:40:43.59
Adz
So Yeah Yep

00:40:44.29
Russell Gibson
I think there's going to be some very nervous flippers though at the moment. I think that's what I wanted to sort of add to this too, man. I think, yeah. Or rollers. There's some very nervous rollers at the moment.

00:40:53.85
Adz
rollers rockers and rollers God

00:40:54.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:57.39
Adz
All right, so who was next on my lovely, oh yeah, SGA. um Thunder, ah ah obviously undefeated, and SGA is at the help.

00:41:05.53
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:41:07.46
Adz
Head of that, and now I'm gonna use a name that I haven't said in a very, very, very long time. Don't get your hopes up, Dallas fans, because it's not to do with you guys. Jar Marant is back at the helm in Memphis.

00:41:20.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:20.78
Adz
They haven't started with a flawless record, but there are some very exciting um signs from the Grizzlies this season, and I think Jar Moran ah is is definitely a factor here, and he looks good.

00:41:36.10
Adz
In my eyes, he looks good, and I think that all those people holding Jar rookie cards, no um no cause for concern, I think would be the the ultimate way to look at that.

00:41:42.14
Russell Gibson
you know

00:41:49.84
Adz
so

00:41:50.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so the really interesting thing for me is like, the the running race between Jar and Zion seems to be over for me. I think Jar Morant has won the value um between those two cards, which I would probably have not predicted.

00:42:03.94
Russell Gibson
I didn't think that's how it was going to play out, but you know, here we are.

00:42:07.60
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:07.61
Russell Gibson
In terms of pricing on this, so it's currently selling at $437, so let's call it 40% cheaper than what a Tatum is. population on that though is 1700 so there's a thousand extra of these compared to a tatum yeah yeah which if you're holding him is very reassuring isn't it i mean depending where you jumped on the train but yeah so if you go back two years you're down 63 yeah

00:42:16.16
Adz
Yes.

00:42:22.61
Adz
Jars. Yep. Yep. But it's actually held. That's I have to admit. Over the last 12 months, it is only down 2%.

00:42:32.86
Adz
Mmm. Given everything he's gone through, yeah. I mean, Joe, if you jumped in two years ago, you've you done your toe really, haven't you? But, yep, yep.

00:42:47.04
Adz
So look, the last 12 months, so if you bought in this year, probably looking very, um it's looking rather positive.

00:42:53.15
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:42:56.56
Adz
No jammer ain't rookie. So that was my top five, player wise, impact wise on the league.

00:42:59.17
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:43:01.88
Adz
um I've got a top five hobby watch.

00:43:04.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, hit me.

00:43:05.42
Adz
and And just, I mean, there's a couple of, a bit of double up with, with what you've um said. My number one hobby watch was Lamello ball.

00:43:10.27
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:43:12.66
Adz
Very strong start to the, to the season, as we've just discussed. um And Kade Cunningham was the, it was the other, because it was interesting that you were actually torn on, on whether to select Kade or, or Lamello, we might look him up and say, is he on card ladder?

00:43:30.85
Adz
He is indeed.

00:43:30.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, they both are. Yep.

00:43:34.41
Adz
Cade Cunningham, silver, not raw, we want a PSA 10. Last sold, 263.

00:43:41.80
Russell Gibson
Really?

00:43:42.78
Adz
Yeah, so down 20% over the last 12 months.

00:43:43.86
Russell Gibson
So that's, I would say that's really down.

00:43:47.88
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:43:49.19
Adz
A lot of injuries, so a lot of concerns, I guess. it's Yeah, it did start off a lot higher. So over the last couple of years, yeah, if you look at it, you're down 70%.

00:43:59.74
Russell Gibson
Ugh.

00:44:00.75
Adz
But over the last year, you've only lost 20. My only concern with players like both of these, Lamello and Cade, great player, ordinary team, how long does that need keep happening before there's problems? Like hobby value wise.

00:44:18.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I, I get why Kate is down.

00:44:20.76
Adz
You know, if he's a lifelong Charlotte Hornet, is Lamello ball going to be worth anything?

00:44:26.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like I get why Kate is down. Like don't get me wrong. But I'd also say too that he looks really good this year and he's definitely come back better. So for me, it's more just like a matter of time until either that team gets better or he goes to a better team.

00:44:37.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:41.05
Russell Gibson
like I'm not, I'm actually not that stressed about it.

00:44:43.57
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:43.73
Russell Gibson
So for me, I'm more like, okay, so it's going down. How much more is it going to go down?

00:44:48.44
Adz
Yep.

00:44:48.46
Russell Gibson
And then how much better of a purchase has this become? Because I, I also think to his game, is Luca Light in the, I think he's gonna last, yeah he's gonna last in League for a long time, he's not so much dependent on his athleticism, like he's very much a skilled, you know, very much so, whereas that's what I probably fear if we're doing like a direct comp with Jar, it's like,

00:44:55.36
Adz
It can translate to. Okay.

00:45:06.69
Adz
Skilled cerebral type player.

00:45:13.16
Adz
Oh, Jarl's terrible because he's such physical and throw literally throws himself.

00:45:16.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like I get it. Like I get why people love him. Like don't get me wrong, but yeah, man, he's risky.

00:45:19.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:21.96
Russell Gibson
Like it's just, you just waiting for him to break an ankle, honestly.

00:45:23.37
Adz
Yeah, that is yeah da that's a really good point.

00:45:25.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:29.13
Adz
um

00:45:30.08
Russell Gibson
Do your next one, man. Cause I'm keen to talk about this one.

00:45:31.08
Adz
My next one, number three, i've got I've got a couple of role players from the Golden State Warriors.

00:45:32.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:36.46
Adz
I've got Kaminga and Buddy healed.

00:45:36.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:39.06
Adz
Is there any value to be had here?

00:45:42.23
Russell Gibson
Look, Buddy healed no, but Kamingo I think is very intriguing and also intriguing because there's some sort of scuttle, Buddy's going to ask for a trade.

00:45:44.18
Adz
Okay.

00:45:51.23
Russell Gibson
He didn't get the contract extension. He's now coming off the bench. The Warriors are actually playing really well this year. So that also leads me to kind of think, you know, is Ker going to be not that keen to sort of, you know, put him back into the lineup.

00:46:05.03
Russell Gibson
um

00:46:05.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:07.82
Russell Gibson
And actually this year is kind of going to be a juicy year for trades. I think like the Jimmy Butler.

00:46:12.34
Adz
You think stuff's going to happen.

00:46:13.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think this year is going to be a banger man. Cause the Jimmy Butler's rumors has already happened. Like the bucks are off to a really bad start and they spent a month on that team. They're paying like four coaches contracts at the same time already.

00:46:25.64
Russell Gibson
Okay. I'm exaggerating, but like it's also true.

00:46:28.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:29.44
Russell Gibson
And I kind of, I kind of reckon Giannis is going to kick off like Um, the other thing about Giannis too, now we're like, we've segwayed onto this.

00:46:37.11
Adz
No, no, no.

00:46:38.42
Russell Gibson
He's a coach killer, man.

00:46:40.47
Adz
Oh, yes, there's no doubt. Like, it's...

00:46:42.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That like that blood is on his like little hands, honestly.

00:46:45.37
Adz
oh Yeah, that's true, that's true.

00:46:46.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:49.84
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:46:50.00
Adz
Yeah, I don't know.

00:46:50.43
Russell Gibson
Sorry, man.

00:46:50.56
Adz
I think, I think, I don't know, I think Kamingo, it's interesting to see recent performances with Curry injured, Buddy seems to, I don't know.

00:46:56.78
Russell Gibson
Hmm. I, yeah, I think.

00:47:01.58
Adz
Buddy here will go through a bad shit. He's ah he's but he's a career 40% shooter, but I don't know. He has he has bad good and bad nights. He's a rollercoaster.

00:47:09.28
Russell Gibson
I just think hobby wise buddy for me is like not even on the radar. Whereas comminga are more like wait for him to bottom out and then pick him up on the cheap. I think that's how I'd approach that.

00:47:16.66
Adz
Really?

00:47:17.68
Russell Gibson
I just think just how like the the league is overall, you know, where there is sort of a lot more opportunity at the moment.

00:47:17.74
Adz
Okay.

00:47:23.52
Russell Gibson
Like, you know, you've got really good guys like Zion, you know, all the way down.

00:47:26.12
Adz
Mmm.

00:47:26.68
Russell Gibson
You've got Cade that's down. You've got Charlotte's at a pretty good value. Like Tatum is at current pricing. Like he's not at future pricing.

00:47:34.02
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:47:34.76
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? Like I'm like, okay, do you really need to spend your money on comminga?

00:47:35.21
Adz
That's true.

00:47:37.72
Russell Gibson
Like who cares?

00:47:38.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:38.48
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.

00:47:38.82
Adz
Well, the question is, because there's such a ah ah big, there's such a lot of Warriors fans out there.

00:47:45.78
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:47:46.39
Adz
due to our lovely friend, Steph Curry, and the success that the Warriors dynasty had.

00:47:48.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Buy a Steph Curry rookie then.

00:47:52.61
Adz
Sure, but I'm saying, with those fans, are they looking for the next buy?

00:47:53.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:56.85
Adz
Are they looking for the next player in that team to invest in? And is this comminga there?

00:48:00.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:01.77
Adz
Is it, oh, we wanna get some of Curry's new splash buddy, rather than, now that his splash brother's gone, yeah.

00:48:02.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:08.17
Russell Gibson
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, no, I really hope that like that is not what plays out to be honest. That would um that would hurt my soul if that's what happens.

00:48:14.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:16.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:17.76
Adz
um But yeah, there might be, who knows, who knows. um Number four, and it's not because of the the jersey swaps, I haven't seen a jersey swap this season.

00:48:22.11
Russell Gibson
Great.

00:48:26.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:27.06
Adz
But I don't know, this could be an interesting year for Grady Dick. um he seen it He's had a couple of big games, he's hit some big shots. I mean, it sucks he plays in Toronto, because not many people care.

00:48:40.15
Adz
But I don't know, he seems like it seems like this could be his little his little breakout, he could be the guy in Toronto. It's definitely not Jacob Purdle.

00:48:49.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I'm just gonna again piggyback off this, and actually this is something I was gonna slide into the show later on, so let's just chuck it in now. Scotty Barnes has been diagnosed with a right orbital fracture. Barnes will be reevaluating three weeks.

00:49:00.98
Russell Gibson
blah, bla blah, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, as a result of that, you've got guys like Grady Dick, you've got ah RJ Barrett, you've got quickly getting more minutes, more opportunity.

00:49:02.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:08.83
Russell Gibson
So I think I would be very careful buying Grady Dick now, particularly when Scotty Barnes is out. I think once Scotty Barnes comes back, I think his minutes are going to dry up a little bit in saying that Silver PSA 10 Grady Dick sold for 80 bucks.

00:49:15.44
Adz
opportunity.

00:49:27.24
Russell Gibson
That for me is like way future pricing. so

00:49:30.71
Adz
Yeah, that.

00:49:31.55
Russell Gibson
Obviously, there is some hobby love for this guy.

00:49:34.65
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:49:36.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:37.22
Adz
Yeah, there was a rent to 299 that sold for like 60 or 70. Um,

00:49:42.12
Russell Gibson
Man, I think that's really risky.

00:49:44.35
Adz
No, it's a colour match red though.

00:49:44.80
Russell Gibson
Honestly. Yeah, but it's Grady Dick in Toronto.

00:49:47.29
Adz
I know, I know.

00:49:49.23
Russell Gibson
You know, I think even if you look at that team, you got quickly ahead of him, you've got RJ Barrett, you've got Scotty Barnes there.

00:49:55.20
Adz
It's true.

00:49:55.92
Russell Gibson
That's just on that team alone.

00:49:58.00
Adz
It's true.

00:49:59.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:59.54
Adz
I still wanna get a shot with him and both the Ball Brothers.

00:50:06.28
Adz
Anyway.

00:50:07.04
Russell Gibson
We're just a high bar, so aren't we, man?

00:50:08.66
Adz
We are, we're just like, there's it's low hanging fruit deck, I'm sorry, I had to.

00:50:13.10
Russell Gibson
Low hanging.

00:50:13.63
Adz
and look Yeah, Lonzo and Lamello.

00:50:15.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, number five, what do you got for me, man?

00:50:19.09
Adz
Number five, I have a question mark over Nicola Jokic.

00:50:22.46
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:50:23.49
Adz
So my question is, if the Nuggets have an unsuccessful season, is this gonna hurt his hobby value? I mean, I rag on Luca a lot about not winning, right?

00:50:34.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:36.93
Adz
And not having MVPs. Granted, our lovely friend Nicola Jokic has a couple of, has a championship and a few MVPs, right? However, the Nuggets haven't started strong.

00:50:50.25
Adz
And this is going to go back to when, the when the days when Jokic had to put the whole team on his back.

00:50:57.10
Russell Gibson
All right. I actually have an intelligent answer for you for this. All right.

00:51:00.43
Adz
Okay.

00:51:00.52
Russell Gibson
So what they've done in the last 12 months is they've changed the rules. ah More in favor of less fouls in an attempt to have the game more free flowing in more of a hybrid of fever and MBA.

00:51:16.02
Russell Gibson
So it's kind of, it's not fever. You can smash someone, but it's also not the touch fouls that was created the really high scores last year.

00:51:20.22
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the... Yeah. Okay.

00:51:25.79
Russell Gibson
And so the sort of the counter argument to that is the people that will suffer the most is people who don't have high levels of athleticism.

00:51:33.27
Adz
Nikola Jokic.

00:51:34.75
Russell Gibson
So you think about someone like that. And that's like, that's the easy one, is it? Like that's the low, that's the true low hanging fruit there.

00:51:41.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:42.01
Russell Gibson
So there's that that's happened. So he's probably still getting used to it. He's probably not, he's maybe getting one or two free throws or two or three free throws less per game. And they're also integrating in Russell Westbrook who is pretty much the opposite of what they need. He can't shoot, he can't spread the floor, he needs the ball in his hands which takes the ball out of Jokic's hands which you might make an argument he's the best offensive player in the world. And then let's be honest Westbrook's shot selection isn't fantastic and the thing about the nuggets that made them so good was that they

00:52:16.72
Russell Gibson
had this offensive machine that just ground out good shots for high 40s minutes per games, right? And so if you're sort of taking that away from them, which I think Westbrook is doing, like there's people online saying that Westbrook should retire.

00:52:31.37
Russell Gibson
Like, I think asking Westbrook to retire is a stretch, but it's also not that far away too. Like,

00:52:38.83
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:39.81
Russell Gibson
So that's where I'm at with him. So actually, I think he's still pretty young. I think the overall core in Denver is is young, like Murray's not over the hill. Michael Porter Jr.

00:52:50.03
Russell Gibson
is still very young, but obviously he's got injury concerns.

00:52:53.00
Adz
True.

00:52:53.75
Russell Gibson
They've got a slew of young players sitting on that bench that actually are ready to play and, you know, Mike Malone

00:52:59.62
Adz
Okay, so you think the depth is there? um My biggest question is the depth.

00:53:01.79
Russell Gibson
I, if I can be honest with you, I think the thing that they're struggling with is like the post-championship hangover, plus these rule changes, plus integrating in Westbrook. I think Westbrook's a mistake either.

00:53:14.73
Russell Gibson
It wouldn't be past my mind that they cut him this year.

00:53:15.46
Adz
Yeah. I don't, oh. Yeah, apparently the yokich likes it.

00:53:24.78
Russell Gibson
Sure. But if you get to a point where he's plus minus is the worst in the league.

00:53:29.96
Adz
Yeah, but well, if Jokic no longer likes him, then that's the problem that that that's fine, right?

00:53:33.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:34.54
Adz
But I just imagine as long as Jokic likes him, Westbrook's in. westrooks end But yeah, I don't know.

00:53:38.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:40.88
Adz
i just I worry with their depth and I worry about this slow start.

00:53:45.14
Russell Gibson
I don't think so.

00:53:45.68
Adz
I'm not as worried about them as as as Milwaukee, but say say Denver do have a ah terrible year.

00:53:45.78
Russell Gibson
I think this team is, they could reboot this team out. Yeah.

00:53:53.19
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:53:54.25
Adz
Does it hurt Jokic's legacy if they don't get back to the NBA Finals?

00:53:57.23
Russell Gibson
No, I think three, what, three MVPs won championship and then they can reload this team and he can go back, go deep in the playoffs again.

00:54:04.11
Adz
Try another one. yeah I mean, God, he's going to have to be MVP if they're going to be competitive, I think. Given early signs, I think they're they're showing that they're lacking that defender where KCP was.

00:54:15.68
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah, yeah, definitely he's a loss, yeah.

00:54:18.90
Adz
It's a massive loss.

00:54:19.37
Russell Gibson
I mean, did you see Braun Duncan go bare though? That was sick.

00:54:21.60
Adz
That was pretty funny. That was pretty funny.

00:54:22.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that was a good dunk man.

00:54:25.04
Adz
any Anyone dunking over Go Bears entertaining?

00:54:28.15
Russell Gibson
Uh, population on the rookie Nicoliokic PSA 10 is 174. So what one sixth of a Tatum price though was 2,500.

00:54:34.79
Adz
Okay.

00:54:39.30
Russell Gibson
Look, I've got no problems with this at 2,500.

00:54:40.01
Adz
So what happens when you win three MVPs?

00:54:41.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Plus the low pop.

00:54:43.47
Adz
Yep.

00:54:43.92
Russell Gibson
It's fine. Yeah.

00:54:44.81
Adz
Yep.

00:54:45.21
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:54:45.69
Adz
I'm down with that.

00:54:45.84
Russell Gibson
Let's go to a break.

00:54:47.41
Adz
Let's do it.

00:54:48.76
Russell Gibson
Who is our last break today? It is going to be the Hobby Hangout, isn't it?

00:54:51.57
Adz
The hobby hang out.

00:54:52.00
Russell Gibson
I think, I think what's happened is my sheet has got a little bit mixed up. but That's okay. I can, I can fix this up. Hobby Hangout. Now off air, I was trying to tell you that the Hobby Hangout was today in Sydney, but it's not.

00:55:04.90
Russell Gibson
The Hobby Hangout is in Sydney on the 1st of December at the Sydney Roundhouse trading zone.

00:55:12.64
Adz
So they don't, know yet they didn't miss it.

00:55:14.68
Russell Gibson
No, I didn't miss it either.

00:55:15.07
Adz
It's great.

00:55:16.28
Russell Gibson
PokerZone, Workshop, Live Breaks, Panel, hosted by Matthew Payne. A huge amount of vendors is going to be there. CardFever, One Stop Poker Shop, Icons of Sport, I'm just trying to read these off randomly.

00:55:29.26
Russell Gibson
PCA Mart, The Corner Post, Devit Collectibles, Booster Bounty, and obviously more to be announced. Tickets at the hobbyhangout.com.au,

00:55:41.17
Russell Gibson
I'm going to call out the hobby hanger at boys at the same time while we're doing this. Guys, we need you to come onto the podcast.

00:55:48.10
Adz
Yeah, we need someone.

00:55:48.27
Russell Gibson
Come onto the podcast, spread the word of your contributions to the hobby landscape. Now, Melbourne, we've also got one, which is the 17th of November. Adam and I will be there live podcasting.

00:56:00.59
Russell Gibson
We're going to be on a table. We're going to have a traders box. We've got some stickers.

00:56:04.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:04.97
Russell Gibson
We've got a fancy sign lined up. Maybe we're going to have a t-shirt.

00:56:08.04
Adz
A sign and that let's not go too far with fancy.

00:56:10.80
Russell Gibson
Did I say science today?

00:56:11.31
Adz
We've got a sign.

00:56:11.84
Russell Gibson
Or maybe we can just put a piece of paper with a stick on it that can be asked.

00:56:13.83
Adz
We've got a sign, we've got a sign.

00:56:15.64
Russell Gibson
Plural science, yep.

00:56:16.77
Adz
Come up and let us know if you think it's fancy, how about that?

00:56:19.55
Russell Gibson
Trading Zone Workshop, Live Breaks, Panelling, Live Podcast, here we go. Card Hoppy, Jaytoys, The Traders, Newee Collectibles, Peter's Goat Collectibles, Big3Cars and Supplies, just doing these random. Boop Collectibles, Jake's Breaks, The Social Club Collectors, Back Issue Comics, that'll be cool. Tickets at thehobbyhangingout.com.au. Thank you so much for your support, guys. We really, really appreciate it. Alrighty, Adam.

00:56:47.58
Russell Gibson
We have gone long today as we normally do.

00:56:51.58
Adz
That's not that's not um really a surprise.

00:56:55.96
Russell Gibson
Not really, is it?

00:56:56.61
Adz
No.

00:56:57.57
Russell Gibson
Nah. Anyway, all right, so this next one is about the 2024 rookie class progress so far.

00:56:58.21
Adz
No.

00:57:04.89
Adz
Yes.

00:57:04.94
Russell Gibson
Do you know who is leading the rookies in points per game, Adam?

00:57:09.98
Adz
No, I do not. I know i know who's who's not leading.

00:57:15.44
Adz
Neither of our top two draft picks, I can tell you that.

00:57:17.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so Bob Carrington of the Washington Wizards is leading at the moment with 10.5 points per game.

00:57:20.25
Adz
Who?

00:57:26.60
Russell Gibson
So I think that's kind of where we end the conversation here. I think, okay, we touched on Zach Edie at four Zacharia, Orisha share at number six, Alex, sa who was in Australia at seven Dalton connect your boy from the Lakers at 7.7 points per game at number eight.

00:57:44.45
Russell Gibson
And that's it. We end this conversation. It's done. I think what we emphasize or what I w I want to emphasize to people is start looking at last year's rookies. This is the perfect time.

00:57:52.65
Adz
I don't know, what about number 10? Jonathan Mogbo from the Raptors.

00:57:55.06
Russell Gibson
Who's not.

00:57:58.57
Adz
I'm really on the Raptors.

00:57:58.63
Russell Gibson
What do you want to say about him? good Go talk, talk about him.

00:58:00.17
Adz
ah just i ah He got a nice big 20 piece. he was It was impressive.

00:58:03.86
Russell Gibson
Okay, fine. Yeah. Okay.

00:58:05.65
Adz
So yeah, I think he's got some potential. I like him.

00:58:07.59
Russell Gibson
So he tripled his average against you. Is that what happened?

00:58:09.70
Adz
He did, he did.

00:58:11.07
Russell Gibson
So, you know, that's like the Doc Rivers thing where someone plays good against the Clippers. This is when he was the GM of the Clippers. and He'd go out and sign them, but they only had like one good game of the year and that was against the Clippers.

00:58:16.19
Adz
True.

00:58:19.63
Russell Gibson
So just be aware.

00:58:19.74
Adz
ah

00:58:20.90
Russell Gibson
All right, dad, you know, like it's a small sample size here.

00:58:22.53
Adz
True, tree true,

00:58:24.51
Russell Gibson
All right. No, all seriously, though, yeah this draft class probably is going to stink. I think that's the best way to say it.

00:58:29.67
Adz
What about Zack 80?

00:58:32.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's fine.

00:58:32.75
Adz
For the Grizz.

00:58:33.25
Russell Gibson
There's going to be some good guys in here, but what I'm trying to say is like, this is also the time where last year's rookies drop off in price and the year before it's dropped off even more.

00:58:34.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:41.49
Russell Gibson
Like, you know, the, the table's been set for two years ago.

00:58:43.04
Adz
I like your thinking there. I do like your thinking there.

00:58:46.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So to start, you know, looking back 12 months, I know that's not popular. I know that's like not what people do in the hobby. Everyone wants like the new stuff, but I think this is the time, you know, like you can't turn, um, I can't.

00:59:01.50
Adz
Sorry, I'm looking at number 44 of the list. That's Bronny James on 0.7 points per game.

00:59:09.43
Russell Gibson
Look, I got nothing but love for Brony James Jr. But um yeah.

00:59:15.99
Adz
The seven seconds he got against Toronto just upped his, yep, anyway.

00:59:18.03
Russell Gibson
By beware, I say. Yeah. Anyway, alrighty. Moving on. Jordan Hoops High Voltage from 1997.

00:59:28.90
Russell Gibson
This is an insert going back in the day.

00:59:31.73
Adz
Yes.

00:59:32.31
Russell Gibson
BGS9 just sold for 15,600 USD. So if you have one of these in your drawer or your card boxes, send it off to PSA stat 1997.

00:59:41.75
Adz
What year was it?

00:59:45.11
Adz
Oh no, I probably don't have that.

00:59:45.96
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 13. It's numbered to 500. So look, I love this because hoops is getting some love. It's as simple as that.

00:59:53.59
Adz
I love the idea that a hoops card could could net a lot of money.

00:59:54.30
Russell Gibson
and Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:00.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, a hundred percent. 1987 Fleer, Tony Brown last sold for $3,850. Population on this is 16.

01:00:11.45
Russell Gibson
Adam, who on earth just paid $3,850 for a Troy Brown and why?

01:00:11.60
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:00:18.08
Adz
Tony Brown.

01:00:20.10
Russell Gibson
So why, why would someone do this?

01:00:25.62
Adz
Because they wanted to finish their set of 1987 Flea.

01:00:29.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So you reckon this is a set collectors and that's it.

01:00:33.05
Adz
I don't... and Yeah, they're trying to finish their their their complete set of 1987 Flea. And they, in PSA 10, and this was it.

01:00:44.21
Russell Gibson
I just feel like some people have more money than me. Cause like, I'm like, that is, that is a Nicole Yokey rookie plus a tatum plus change.

01:00:48.43
Adz
More dollars than cents.

01:00:56.77
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:01.53
Russell Gibson
Anyway, that's how I viewed that.

01:01:02.98
Adz
Someone in the comments wrote, set collecting is very much alive.

01:01:07.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:09.62
Russell Gibson
Jordan Poole check-in last sold for $55.

01:01:16.41
Adz
Jordan Paul?

01:01:17.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:19.12
Adz
No.

01:01:20.96
Russell Gibson
Remembering this sold for a thousand bucks and not that long ago. So um horror story, Halloween story, I should say.

01:01:24.14
Adz
Really? I can't believe it sold from 50.

01:01:28.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:31.07
Adz
Someone's trying to pump up the value.

01:01:31.15
Russell Gibson
All right.

01:01:32.63
Adz
It's not true. Yeah, anyway.

01:01:34.61
Russell Gibson
All right. So we haven't spoken about Mercury on this show pretty much at all. And I feel like I've been staying away from this because I sort of wanted to let the dust settle.

01:01:43.93
Adz
No.

01:01:44.13
Russell Gibson
I wanted the influences to do their thing.

01:01:47.20
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:47.62
Russell Gibson
If you don't know what Mercury is, it's a product from tops.

01:01:48.25
Adz
Makes a point.

01:01:50.97
Russell Gibson
It's a high-end product that you would compare to say Flawless. And they were selling it at that Flawless price.

01:01:55.52
Adz
Yes.

01:01:57.42
Russell Gibson
So basically it was selling for that sort of

01:02:01.49
Adz
Yep.

01:02:01.56
Russell Gibson
I think it was originally selling for around five and then, you know, it was resold for that sort of six to seven sort of mark.

01:02:05.57
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:02:07.20
Russell Gibson
But looking at comps on eBay today, it was selling for 9,300 and 8,900. So it's reselling very, very, very strong.

01:02:18.94
Russell Gibson
I think the criticism around it is obviously around the non-authentic product that it is. So it doesn't have NBA logos on it.

01:02:25.41
Adz
yeah yeah yeah

01:02:27.40
Russell Gibson
It doesn't have the NBA uniforms. It's got all that weird photography.

01:02:30.28
Adz
ye

01:02:32.60
Russell Gibson
It does have game worn memorabilia in it, which is an interesting little wrinkle. And it also has on-card autographs in it. But I think what's a little bit upside down is the, the post after sale pricing of singles.

01:02:47.50
Russell Gibson
So for example, this is from Topps Mercury 23-24, a Wembley numbered 91 out of 99, that's sold for 862, that's obviously raw.

01:02:51.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

01:03:00.41
Russell Gibson
And then comparing that with the Topps Now card, which is something that's put up onto their website, that's PSA 9, that's sold for 2800.

01:03:05.73
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:08.70
Russell Gibson
So like clearly there's something wrong when your premium product is selling for you know three times less than what a tops now card is like that's like for me that's absolutely you know that's out there um obviously that's a social media post that again it's a very small sample size i went out and found a couple of other comps so we've got 17 out of 50 game use patch and an on-card autograph that's sold for 3,965 number to 75 sticker auto that's sold for a thousand dollars so um

01:03:22.44
Adz
yeah it's Yeah, yeah.

01:03:38.15
Adz
Yep.

01:03:43.09
Adz
Yep.

01:03:44.88
Russell Gibson
you know, I think that's really tough. Like if you're spending 9,000 US on a box and you're not getting a single WMB, you know, the resale of the other stuff, you know, hasn't been like great.

01:03:50.29
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

01:03:58.21
Russell Gibson
I think that's like pretty fair to say. So for me, this is really, it's really interesting, isn't it?

01:04:00.05
Adz
I just think they're pushing it too much.

01:04:05.17
Russell Gibson
I feel like, was this their opportunity to sell it for 2,000 bucks and then people got really good value out of it.

01:04:15.52
Russell Gibson
Or is their a viewpoint, if we sell it for 2,000, the flippers are going to sell it for 4,000 and then they make three and we make one and they didn't want that.

01:04:19.83
Adz
The flippers are gonna sell it for 5,000 and yeah.

01:04:24.56
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:25.11
Russell Gibson
And that was always their business model, wasn't it?

01:04:25.37
Adz
Correct.

01:04:27.15
Russell Gibson
You know,

01:04:27.37
Adz
Yeah, they don't want the flippers to be getting away with it.

01:04:30.47
Russell Gibson
and where are you at with Mercury? Like, do you have any comment? Do you have any observations? Like, you know, I sort of, I'm trying to set you up here a little bit to

01:04:36.53
Adz
It's their first attempt at a product. I get that. um Yeah.

01:04:39.82
Russell Gibson
high end product. Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:43.62
Adz
Look, they they need to capitalize as much as they can. I understand what they're doing, because it's wimpy.

01:04:48.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:50.26
Adz
Right? They may never get another Wembley. So this is that product.

01:04:55.51
Russell Gibson
That's a scary thought. but Okay. Yeah.

01:04:57.34
Adz
No, no, but we might not, it it might not be this crazy. Do you know what I mean? Like this guy, and and and the idea is, yeah, the cards aren't worth anything now.

01:05:05.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. I just, I never thought of that. It's, it's scary when you say that.

01:05:12.78
Adz
i but Sorry, they're worth something, but that the relativity is not there. in a decade when no one can get the product and when these nine time defensive player of the year, four time MVP, and I don't know, the Spurs dynasty is rolling.

01:05:32.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:32.41
Adz
Are these boxes worth money?

01:05:36.75
Adz
Sealed?

01:05:38.14
Russell Gibson
i I really don't know, man.

01:05:39.17
Adz
Do these cards go go for 20, $30,000?

01:05:46.28
Adz
But ah ah think that that I think that's the the unknown there is where the value is.

01:05:52.39
Russell Gibson
I just think traditionally non

01:05:53.67
Adz
A hell of a gamble though.

01:05:56.60
Russell Gibson
-authentic or unauthentic stuff just hasn't really been that well considered within the hobby.

01:06:01.03
Adz
Nope, agreed, agreed. And and ah the biggest problem is fanatics don't get it until after Wembley is not a rookie.

01:06:11.15
Adz
Lo and behold, like yeah people will be like, what do you do what what rookie year stuff are people clambering to get in 10 years when Wembley's the new LeBron? You know what I mean? like It's like, this guy's gonna break LeBron's records. He's gonna do this, he's gonna do that.

01:06:32.26
Adz
Like, what are you what are you chasing? what what he All right, so my question to you, what are you chasing in it when be wise that you would be like, I wanna sit on this?

01:06:40.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:41.25
Adz
This is...

01:06:41.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So I think for me, buying the sealed product is very problematic. I think for the price point, for what you could potentially be getting out of it.

01:06:50.17
Adz
Yep.

01:06:53.12
Adz
Sure.

01:06:54.07
Russell Gibson
So that for me, i I'm not going near that. Like it's just not in my wheelhouse at all.

01:06:58.75
Adz
But all of it's, all of it's year one rookie level Wembley.

01:07:03.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but singles.

01:07:03.42
Adz
And it's the the autographs are licensed.

01:07:06.39
Russell Gibson
singles so for example that patch autograph that i touched on that sold for 3.9 look aesthetically i thought it was okay it was authentic like a game use patch so like that for me is a big deal like that's a little bit problematic for me particularly now with panini

01:07:10.72
Adz
Three nine, yep.

01:07:14.78
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:20.87
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:24.76
Russell Gibson
I think the assumption for me was, oh, it was COVID. That's why they couldn't do game one memorabilia for rookies, you know, all that type of stuff. I gave them all of the excuses, but we're now through that and they still haven't fixed that.

01:07:36.00
Adz
and And... of course not.

01:07:38.51
Russell Gibson
Even in higher, I'm using air quotes, higher end products like iMac, even NT, like they had stickers in NT last year. Like that kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth too.

01:07:47.57
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:50.83
Adz
I think that's pretty, that's atrocious to be honest, but...

01:07:50.95
Russell Gibson
Flawless. Yeah. Flawless is different. I think they've got that down and that's sorted out. That's not a conversation, but, um, where am I going with this?

01:07:57.54
Adz
Yep. But why isn't ah why isn't iMac up there with Flawless then?

01:08:01.01
Russell Gibson
Well, I don't know. Obviously they made a decision that just the money is not there for them.

01:08:07.02
Adz
Mm-hmm. Yep.

01:08:10.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Whereas with this, i I kind of feel a little bit different. I feel like

01:08:17.53
Russell Gibson
more what, so what's appealing to me is obviously the after sale. I think that's really good. But what I'm sort of in my head now is, okay, where does this go in five years?

01:08:22.92
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:27.27
Russell Gibson
So does this initial offering that hasn't been that fantastic, does that affect people's future considerations of the product? Or is it one of those things of like, it doesn't really matter what we turn out to collectors, they will find something in it that's collectible.

01:08:43.87
Russell Gibson
And I probably think,

01:08:43.97
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:46.18
Russell Gibson
like being realistic about the whole situation i actually wonder if that's how it's going to be because i think whether we like it or not there's a lot of people in the hobby that don't really like panini and they're actually glad that they're going and there's also an element of people in the hobby that can't wait for tops to come back because that's the thing that they remember from when they're a kid and that's the thing where all their like sort of warm you know memories are

01:09:06.60
Adz
In three years when everyone's like bring back Panini. Yeah.

01:09:09.92
Russell Gibson
Whereas for me, I have to admit, I'm probably more, well, my stance has always been I'm just going to judge it as the ball lies. You know, I'll give crap to Panini, but also give them a lot of like kudos too.

01:09:21.76
Russell Gibson
And yeah, tops have done some good stuff.

01:09:21.91
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Credit where credit's due, they've made some, yeah.

01:09:24.88
Russell Gibson
Like the tops now, Olympics, like that's genius, man. and And Panini dropped the ball on that. They should have been doing that for the last 10 years.

01:09:30.40
Adz
Hells yeah.

01:09:31.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:09:33.96
Russell Gibson
But this like mercury, I don't know. I think my, to be honest, my real problem is is the price point.

01:09:39.67
Adz
I feel like the Mercury was a desperate, ah a desperate lunge to capitalize on the Wembley market.

01:09:39.68
Russell Gibson
I really think.

01:09:44.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but like they've been talking about this whole thing about going direct to consumers, but you can't actually buy it direct.

01:09:44.89
Adz
Simple as that.

01:09:51.89
Russell Gibson
So if you go onto the website and try and buy a box, you can't buy a box.

01:09:53.13
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:55.60
Russell Gibson
You have to go into some like ballot thing.

01:09:58.10
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:58.70
Russell Gibson
And i I think that's the part where i I also feel a bit frustrated. I feel like all the things they said that Panini have done like, oh, that's that's dirty business that is ripping people off.

01:10:02.34
Adz
Yeah. Good point.

01:10:07.67
Russell Gibson
Well, actually dave just they've just taken that leaf right out of Panini's book and like rolled out this like unlicensed product.

01:10:08.41
Adz
It started that non dead.

01:10:14.43
Russell Gibson
So that's probably like where I'm the most like

01:10:15.33
Adz
Yeah, you're right.

01:10:18.29
Russell Gibson
you know, not happy about. Probably that's the best way to say it.

01:10:20.50
Adz
Yeah.

01:10:20.97
Russell Gibson
But look, the product itself, I don't think it's as bad as probably what people are saying, to be perfectly honest with you, like particularly the on-card auto stuff.

01:10:27.62
Adz
Yeah.

01:10:28.83
Russell Gibson
I think that looks pretty good. So all right, let's end it on a ah positive note. What positive thing have you got to say before we leave today?

01:10:33.68
Adz
More positive thing.

01:10:37.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:10:38.13
Adz
It's it's good.

01:10:38.29
Russell Gibson
What have you enjoyed about the season so far or something like that? Yeah.

01:10:41.42
Adz
Well, the Lakers are winning. um No, there the basketball's good.

01:10:46.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:10:46.93
Adz
it's It's just nice to have the season back. A lot of lot of injured players are coming back healthy.

01:10:52.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:10:52.83
Adz
And it's great. It's great to see Zion back in healthy. It's great to see Jarmurant balling out. It's great to see Lamello ball tearing it up.

01:10:58.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:11:01.79
Adz
It's nearly everybody's got to win minus the um Utah Jazz still, but they'll get there.

01:11:01.88
Russell Gibson
yeah for sure. Yeah.

01:11:08.30
Adz
But yeah, and props to the Cavs for being undefeated. It's pretty good.

01:11:12.95
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah, I would say the same as you.

01:11:13.07
Adz
And the Thunder.

01:11:14.23
Russell Gibson
I think the basketball quality has been good so far. The refereeing has been much better.

01:11:16.46
Adz
Yeah.

01:11:18.62
Russell Gibson
And ah my final takeaway is that Doc Rivers is going to be the first coach to be fired this year.

01:11:18.90
Adz
Yep.

01:11:24.35
Adz
I definitely agree.

01:11:24.88
Russell Gibson
And somehow that makes me happy. Yeah.

01:11:27.02
Adz
Yeah.

01:11:27.46
Russell Gibson
That's just my shade in for it. Thank you, Adam, for a lovely evening. Really appreciate it. I'm so glad to see you again. And thank you so much again for your great work covering for me last week.

01:11:34.14
Adz
Pleasure as always.

01:11:37.53
Russell Gibson
Central Coast Radio, tune in to centralcoastradio.com. You'll hear us 10 a.m. till midday. um

01:11:47.41
Adz
Thursdays?

01:11:47.89
Russell Gibson
on Thursdays, Tuesday night 11pm to 1am Melbourne time and then Saturday night 3am Melbourne time to 5am.

01:11:58.12
Adz
almost up I was almost up this week for it.

01:12:00.43
Russell Gibson
Nah, I wasn't, I probably would have been asleep but we're trying to tap into the US market so that's why we' we're on it that that time then.

01:12:00.96
Adz
didn Didn't quite get there.

01:12:05.92
Russell Gibson
So, cheers guys.

01:12:06.12
Adz
Yeah. See you next week.