You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 172: Hobby Hangout Preparation, Adam's Ebay Nightmare, Luka Doncic, Ja Morant, Dyson Daniels, Allen Iverson, Chet Holmgren, Brandon Miller, Nikola Jokic
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Episode 172: We are running it back after just 3 days. This Sunday is the Hobby Hangout; so we won't be able to record, so we dropped this early!
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- Luka doncic.
- Special Report: Adam’s ebay nightmare
- Ja Morant check in, Immac logo man
- Dyson Daniels at it again
- Iverson Kaboom
Injury run down: Quickley injury, Jose alvarado, okc centre injury report, Chet Holmgren
- Brandon Miller 1/1
- Tiers of a Joker
- Nikola Jokic record night
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00:00:10.20
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 172 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.
00:00:20.46
Adz
We are early.
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Russell Gibson
very early just you know we're just a bit bored with life you know we just think we can get more out of the podcast yeah i mean look that could be true but the real truth is we're preparing for the hobby hangout which is this sunday we would normally record on a sunday night that's our sunday night ritual now really isn't it we don't really even have to like plan a date it's just always sunday nights isn't it
00:00:23.61
Adz
What are we doing? Have we got not, haven't got enough on this week?
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Adz
Can't get enough of the show, let's be real. We, yeah.
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Adz
We are. Yep.
00:00:44.30
Adz
Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Sunday evenings, um very, very on the regular. it's been It's almost been three years, so yeah. That's crazy.
00:00:58.12
Russell Gibson
That's nuts. No, it is three years, mate. We've, we've done 170. My math is not great, but a
00:01:02.42
Adz
Yeah, I'm trying to remember the when the first episode dropped, but we probably are around our three-year anniversary, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
hundred percent.
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Adz
Wow, let's go back and find out on Spotify um when the first episode dropped.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, so this is kind of awkward.
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Adz
Or if it's this week, happy anniversary. Anyway, um yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Are we supposed to get each other presents?
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Adz
Well, given that I think we've both forgotten our anniversary, I think that goes to show.
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Russell Gibson
Like what do we do?
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Adz
Speaks volumes, doesn't it?
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Russell Gibson
I mean, now we're are making confessions about forgetting anniversary.
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Adz
Oh.
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Russell Gibson
So if I take my kid in for something, they always like, Oh, you know, what's, what's your son's date of birth? And every single time they asked me, I'm like, give me two seconds.
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Russell Gibson
I'm quickly like going through my calendar, like, so the chance that I remember that our anniversary, Adam, I'm just putting this out here.
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Adz
Let's, let's see what the app says. Oh, no.
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Russell Gibson
It's very, very, very low, mate. Very low.
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Adz
Oh, slim pickens.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
All right. Fair, fair, fair.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, we've segwayed twice already. The reason why we're going tonight is because we got the hobby hanging out on Sunday.
00:02:05.41
Adz
We do. We do.
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Russell Gibson
We thought it would be better to get an episode out now and then we can just relax and enjoy our Sunday and not have to rush home and do an episode. So that's why we're doing it.
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Adz
We'll make it difficult.
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Russell Gibson
So we thought we'd, yeah, also take this opportunity to basically do like the first 10 or 15 minutes is basically just talking about the hobby hangout. So let's plug the absolute life out of this.
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Russell Gibson
Guys, hobby hangout is this Sunday. If you're in Melbourne, get your tickets. If I read it properly, there's only like 30 odd tickets left, so the tickets are absolutely selling out like hotcakes. Thehobbyhangout.com.au, go there and get your tickets. All the early bird tickets are gone, so the current ticket price is $29 per. Doors open at 11.30am, finishes at 5.
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Russell Gibson
It is at the Melbourne Pavilion in Kensington. So make sure you are there. We would love to see you. We've got got our own table this time around. We're going to be at the table the whole time too.
00:03:09.83
Russell Gibson
We've we've made a handshake agreement. Either you and I are going to be at the table the whole time.
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Adz
that's it
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Russell Gibson
We'll be live podcasting there.
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Adz
but
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Russell Gibson
And what we want to do this year is get five minute hot takes from hobbyists. So come up and talk to us. If you want to come down, you can ask us a question. We've got a list of questions you can pick from that, you know, we can ask you.
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Adz
Yeah, if you don't have ah if you don't have a question, we've we've definitely got a list here of questions and and we might even think of some extras on the day.
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Russell Gibson
It's going to be super fun.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um Yeah, it's going to be great. I'm really excited. it's It'd be nice. We've got a little sign with some stickers.
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Russell Gibson
now.
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Adz
I'm getting a trade box. I'm in a case ready.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
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Adz
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
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Russell Gibson
let's Let's hold that thought though for preparation for a second because actually there's something that I probably should have told you today that completely slipped my mind just like my, my children's date of birth and an anniversary.
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Adz
and our anniversary.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. um Tyson Beck is going to be at the hobby hangout. And so I'm very excited to be in the same building as Tyson.
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Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
I understand he's going to be there with an entourage. So people that are planning to rush Tyson, he has similar security guards to, you know, celebrities like Michael Jordan, ah Larry Bird, you know, it's going to be like the full, you know, entourage that's going to be there.
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Adz
ah
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Adz
the full entourage treatment.
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Russell Gibson
So don't think about doing anything silly like trying to, you know, hug or tackle the guy.
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Adz
I thought you were gonna say, and he's coming to do ah do a quick couple of quick hitters with you.
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Russell Gibson
it worked
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Russell Gibson
He's coming down to do some quick hitters with us too. And so that's the other thing.
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Adz
Really?
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Russell Gibson
He has, he has pledged five minutes of his time to us at the hobby hangout.
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Adz
Now I've got to get real questions lined up.
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Russell Gibson
So we are pumped for that Tyson we and we are humbled.
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Adz
We're humbled. This is gonna be awesome.
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Russell Gibson
Absolutely.
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Adz
Looking forward to it.
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Russell Gibson
And I'm actually interested to meet his entourage too. And like any security personnel. So I think we should buy them a beer.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
That's what we should do is buys entourage a beer.
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Adz
That's a good idea. I like that.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, they'll be working hard all day.
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Adz
I like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. that's Yeah. Well, ah Tyson's not the only one we wanna see. Yeah. Okay. um I'm curious. I'm curious who's gonna be there.
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Adz
we We know a lot of the vendors. We've seen a few familiar faces the last couple of hangouts.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
Hopefully we see some new faces. So yeah, come on, say hi and yeah. Ask us a question. Get on the show.
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Russell Gibson
What are you? So let's talk about preparation. What are you getting ready for the hobby hangout?
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Adz
I've got a case with some cards in it i have ah and I may have made plans for tomorrow night to but that are overriding me packing that box with cards.
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Adz
So I'm gonna at the last minute kind of rush and and jam a bunch of trades in and and and hope I've got some higher end, some lower end, some bits and pieces, it's mainly lower end stuff, like let's be real.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's fine.
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Adz
um But it's yeah, I'll just have some extra cards, do some trades, look at some people's cards, hopefully make a couple of deals, who knows?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
But yeah, I'm not i'm not one of the, as we know with the show, I don't prep a lot. So I'll jam a bunch of stuff in a box. And if I've accidentally brought something that's not um sports cards, I'm sorry. So if I've got Pokemon cards, actually Pokemon might be there. It's fine.
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Russell Gibson
I think that that is not an issue at all. And actually, if you have different sports, you have Pokemon, you have Disney, it's not a problem at all.
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Adz
Is it business cards?
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Russell Gibson
But I would say predominantly it's NBA, like that is what's true.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So this is not a piece of advice, but I would say this is something to keep in mind is that even if you haven't comped and priced every car that's in your collection, at least have a rough idea of what you're chasing for it, because there is nothing worse going to a vendor or trying to do a trade with somebody and and they just can't give you a value.
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Adz
i Oh, can I can I segue to some advice if you've got your phone and you've got the 130.
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Russell Gibson
So at least have at least have a ballpark in your head, even if it's wrong, just, you know.
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Russell Gibson
Oh, now we're talking.
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Adz
It does the the the pricing lookup, the the photo lookup.
00:07:08.29
Russell Gibson
the new app that's right yeah it automatically will do it for you so that is a very good point ad well placed advertising there mate which is not a paid advertisement by the way maybe lane could you know
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Adz
Yep. No, no. Maybe Lane can come and give us another five minutes of his time. There we go, see? But yeah, like that that app comes in handy, it does. It does a good photo search, but yeah, good advice, very good advice. Actually doing a bit of preparation and knowing what your cards are worth.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, just just a ah rough idea. You know, I think that's really important.
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Adz
I agree.
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Russell Gibson
ah Take top loaders and card protection. That's always something too that, you know, you'll pick up something and then you're like, oh, it's just sitting loose in my bag now.
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Adz
Huh.
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Russell Gibson
That's something else I've started to do too.
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Adz
Huh. That's all right. You're full of them. I'm like, just make sure you had your coffee and wide awake and alert on the day. So you've got you've got really good advice.
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Adz
i'm
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Russell Gibson
I've got two more, I've got two more good ones. A little bit of cash is good, but having some electronic payments. So whether it's PayPal or Pay ID, have that ready to go.
00:08:03.66
Adz
Nice. Very nice.
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Russell Gibson
Not all vendors are going to have a credit card facility. So that's also sort of something else just to keep in mind there because like some people are just regular hobbyists who had gone out and got a table.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
So, you know, they're not a professional unit.
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Adz
Prefer cash, probably deal via PayPal.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
What else to say? Yeah, probably just make sure you get there nice and early. That's probably the thing that I've enjoyed the most and get to the trading zones.
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Adz
Seize the day kind of thing, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Get to the trading zones and, you know, just chat with people and ask to look through people's boxes. I know that's sort of like a weird thing to say, but just sort of get used to saying it and, and people are always happy, you know, for you to, you know, check it out and they'll probably keep an eye on you as you're doing it.
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Adz
yeah that's that's what it is
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Russell Gibson
And that's, you know, that's totally understandable, but you know, it's definitely worth banging that out. All righty. Anything else we need to talk about the hobby hangout and preparation for it?
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Adz
not that's it that's a really good point um it actually takes me quite a while to get there if i don't drive but driving is terrible so
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Russell Gibson
Parking isn't great there, so I'm personally a fan of public transport, but, you know, you can get parking there, but the later you get there, the further you have to walk, I think that's probably worth mentioning. Yep.
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Adz
Yeah, I'm very much a, yeah, I do a tram tram, I think from where I am.
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Russell Gibson
Yep, I'll be train trimming too.
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Adz
Yeah, it feels a bit late. It's one of those things. It's just, um and it's a Sunday. So like, hopefully there's an abundance of parking, but yeah, if you get there late, yeah, the day it'll be the middle of the day and parking may be scarce.
00:09:39.00
Russell Gibson
Yep. All righty. Let's get to the meat of tonight's dinner, Luca Doncic. Let's get straight to it.
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Adz
special
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Russell Gibson
You pretty much were trolling me on the last episode that we haven't talked about him. So I was like, that's it. He's going first onto the run cheat this week.
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Adz
ah I feel like I was baited into into mentioning Luca and having a chuckle.
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Russell Gibson
I don't really feel like I have to bait you to, um, you go hating on Luca. Like let's keep it real, mate.
00:10:02.54
Adz
Well, you talk about the best in the league and the worst in the league, and then every time you say the worst in the league, I just, no, I'm kidding. He's not actually one of the worst in the league. He's actually one of the best out there. He just won nothing, really.
00:10:15.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um Yeah, now lucas Lucas, I've got his one year prices. He's like um very very steady with ah with a slight spike around June, which is funny because that was the playoffs, June, July this year. But yeah, the last three months, he's but down 3% last three months. Not much of a change.
00:10:38.14
Adz
Last sold price is $1,299. So that $1,200 to $1,300 price point just seems to be pretty silver, that is. Seems to be, I mean, I didn't want people to get confused.
00:10:51.48
Adz
um That is his silver, even though the pop count's over to $2,000.
00:10:55.99
Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
Because yeah, yeah, I mean, his silver has the pop count of a lot of people's base cards. um
00:11:03.33
Russell Gibson
So if you're a relatively new user for the show, the context of Adam's um thinly veiled barb there is that the population on this card is quite high.
00:11:08.43
Adz
rant.
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Russell Gibson
And
00:11:13.76
Adz
I can get the sledgehammer out and show you his base card, which is a 20,000.
00:11:16.87
Russell Gibson
So serious question. So let's just like do sort of an education piece around this.
00:11:21.14
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.
00:11:21.30
Russell Gibson
What do you think is a reasonable pop count for a card to be so that it still remains collectible?
00:11:31.99
Adz
I would talk, so silver, I suppose it's different.
00:11:37.90
Adz
ages of basketball cards.
00:11:39.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Because then there's the like the tops, for argument's sake, the Kobe tops Chrome, not the refractor. And the refractor and the silver prism are like the base and yeah.
00:11:49.84
Russell Gibson
yeah Yep, yep.
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Adz
So I'll bring up the actual pop, because I would rather do some fact checking, but I think it's around a five hundred five or 600 for the tops Chrome.
00:12:05.56
Adz
That's the base for Kobe Bryant.
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Adz
So.
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Russell Gibson
so what So in that case, then if there's say 600 of them, it's about, there's four times too many in your head.
00:12:15.11
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:12:22.59
Adz
Yeah. So let's go, TOPS Chrome. Oh wait, maybe I was wrong. Oh, that's PSA 9. Pop 838 on the PSA 10 TOPS Chrome, Kobe.
00:12:33.70
Russell Gibson
Sure. So let's call it three times.
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Adz
Right?
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
Last sold price for Kobe for the PSA 10 was 5,450. That said, we're also living in a time where BGS was was high, so that pop count's also high at 740, right?
00:12:50.33
Russell Gibson
That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I think for that card in that time, that's the appropriate comp.
00:12:52.09
Adz
That's thed the Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yep, definitely.
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Adz
But the refractor, also known as the silver prism, PSA 10 1996 tops chrome refractor, Kobe Bryant,
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
last sold for $102,000 because there's 63 of them.
00:13:09.85
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:13:12.32
Adz
Right? It's it like, it's an incredibly scarce commodity.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:13:17.24
Adz
The, so we're talking the silver prism for Luca is three times higher than the base for Kobe. So it's, it we're in a different, we're we're in a different scale. Obviously,
00:13:28.85
Adz
Things are different, there are more parallels, there there's an abundance of different types of cards, and this isn't the this isn't the only Kobe rookie.
00:13:32.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, the ultra-modern era is completely different, yeah.
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Adz
So this is just that the one that people most identify and most see.
00:13:36.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:13:43.02
Adz
But I'll go back to the luke Luca thing.
00:13:45.29
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
The pop count on his base is 20,373.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:13:51.24
Adz
Right, so the base card, and that's last sold for $176.
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Russell Gibson
Is that PSA 10?
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Adz
PSA 10 base card.
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Russell Gibson
It's 20,000.
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Adz
20,000 pop count, last sold for 176.50.
00:14:02.44
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:14:04.79
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:14:04.80
Adz
And over the last three months, and's down fourteen percent so it's it's not something that's, like it's always been high.
00:14:09.69
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:14:15.85
Adz
In fact, the highest, this card's got over, it was at one period in the last two years, so not the COVID crazy.
00:14:25.21
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:14:26.07
Adz
It was over $300.
00:14:29.05
Adz
It's a base card but between two and 300 bucks.
00:14:30.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:31.64
Adz
But the pop count on its 20,000, everyone can get one of these.
00:14:32.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:35.65
Adz
The abundance of it is insane.
00:14:37.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that card is is fraught with treachery, like as far as I'm concerned, particularly the base.
00:14:37.77
Adz
um Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.
00:14:43.74
Russell Gibson
There's silver on that. So ah though to be honest with you, I really appreciated your insights, but if I can be honest, I was almost trying to set you up then um to get a little bit of a response.
00:14:51.43
Adz
I feel like I was.
00:14:54.54
Russell Gibson
Cause what I was going to say was I almost feel like that that Luca card has sort of stepped into rarefied air. So where I'm going with this is like,
00:15:01.93
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:03.94
Russell Gibson
There's always exceptions to the rules, and I think what you said about the Kobe stuff is 100% correct, but let's talk about the 86th Flea Jordan card.
00:15:07.00
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:12.11
Russell Gibson
So PSA, and I'm looking at the total population here, so this is all the different grades, there's 27,000 of that. Then if you look at Beckett, all the total graded cards is 14,000.
00:15:24.11
Russell Gibson
So roughly we're up to around 30,000 there. SGC there's another 4,000.
00:15:27.84
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:29.21
Russell Gibson
So let's just call it, let's just round it up to 35, but still like fives go for hundreds of dollars, if if not thousands in that. like PSA5s.
00:15:41.38
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean?
00:15:41.68
Adz
Hmm.
00:15:41.78
Russell Gibson
but And no one cares that there's 30,000 of that card. It's just, you know, they won a Jordan rookie and that's that. So I'm almost getting the feeling with this population, with this price point, like at 1,300, that's not really speculation anymore.
00:15:48.31
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:56.35
Russell Gibson
That's a, you know, that's a genuine purchase.
00:15:58.70
Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Particularly the number of reps we're up to here too, you know.
00:16:01.76
Adz
So hang on, each day comparing Jordan to Luca.
00:16:04.99
Russell Gibson
I'm, I'm putting him in the same sentence in the hobby perspective, but absolutely not in a competitive perspective and achievement perspective.
00:16:10.71
Adz
Fair, fair, fair, fair. Okay.
00:16:15.99
Russell Gibson
So just to be clear, like, yeah.
00:16:17.58
Adz
Yeah, that's cool. So the the total pop on Luca's silver is 8,000.
00:16:24.13
Adz
And the total pop on the bass. Sorry, there's so many different parallels that finding the bass again, it's tricky.
00:16:35.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah,
00:16:37.69
Adz
46,000.
00:16:40.46
Russell Gibson
it's nuts, isn't it?
00:16:43.08
Adz
That's crazy.
00:16:45.10
Russell Gibson
We should definitely shout out to the young man who has generated this data too. So shout out to Ryan at Gemrate who supplies all the backend data to Cardletter.
00:16:50.36
Adz
yeah
00:16:55.48
Russell Gibson
We hope you're well, right?
00:16:55.90
Adz
Yeah. But it's um.
00:16:59.86
Russell Gibson
So I think, okay. So the real question for me is, so the other week we were talking about Tatum. We're using him as like the current comp. His population is in around the 700 mark.
00:17:10.94
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second. Let me get my numbers right here. His price is around the $700 mark.
00:17:13.85
Adz
$7,800 mark is is where Tater's been sitting and hovering.
00:17:15.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:18.12
Russell Gibson
Tatum. And what was his population on that?
00:17:21.89
Adz
Ah, that's a good question. Eight or nine hundred, was it? No? 1,200? I don't know, I'm just guessing.
00:17:26.42
Russell Gibson
It's a bit like my child's birthday. It's impossible to remember.
00:17:29.77
Adz
That's gonna be an under underlying theme of the episode, I feel.
00:17:34.98
Adz
By the way, it's the 5th of December is our anniversary.
00:17:39.87
Adz
Our first episode.
00:17:40.21
Russell Gibson
We have an anniversary.
00:17:41.58
Adz
Yeah, the 5th of December.
00:17:42.16
Russell Gibson
900 is his pop. Yeah. So look, if we're using that as a measuring stick.
00:17:44.86
Adz
900, yeah.
00:17:47.78
Adz
And his base card is only, the PSA 10's got a pop of 6400.
00:17:53.15
Russell Gibson
well so
00:17:53.47
Adz
Don't know what that has to do with the price of sugar, but.
00:17:59.54
Adz
Yeah, pop 901, yeah, interesting.
00:18:01.92
Russell Gibson
All right, no serious question. So should you be buying Luca silvers at the moment?
00:18:07.64
Adz
I don't think so, and and look, Jokes aside, the my narrative and the reason I don't want to invest in Luca is because people have already paid for the hype tax on it.
00:18:20.62
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:18:21.87
Adz
Like it's already it's not like if he if he gets it, do you know what I mean? They're paying, it's it's like the x expectation, say Tatum does, they go back to back, Tatum wins another when's an MVP, and then he goes from 700 to 1200.
00:18:39.76
Adz
Like, I think him and Luca are neck and neck, but everyone's already paid the tax on Luca.
00:18:44.63
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:18:45.33
Adz
So there's no value there. Now, I could be wrong. Luca could dominate the league, win five championships in a row, a bunch of MVPs, and that 1,200 might be laughable.
00:18:56.57
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:18:57.36
Adz
It might be a $5,000 card.
00:19:00.88
Adz
But I'm um'm relatively confident that the the future pricing has already been paid with the hype.
00:19:14.61
Adz
I feel like Zion not living up to expectations had he not got injured is is what we're dealing with.
00:19:14.65
Russell Gibson
So,
00:19:21.88
Russell Gibson
yeah. So I think for me, I'm betting on pedigree. And when I watched this guy play, like he just ticks all the boxes. I've got no real like genuine concerns about him.
00:19:31.90
Adz
Sure.
00:19:32.15
Russell Gibson
He's only 25 years old.
00:19:34.02
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:34.79
Russell Gibson
And it feels like he's been in the league for 10 years. Like, do you know what I mean? In my head, I feel like I've been watching this kid, you know, play for a long time. This is his numbers from this year. 29 points a game.
00:19:47.27
Russell Gibson
1.6 deals, 10 assists, 7.8 rebounds, let's just call it eight. and nearly four three-pointers a game at 37% clip.
00:19:58.59
Russell Gibson
Like that's, you know, out of this world numbers.
00:19:59.86
Adz
Mm.
00:20:03.75
Russell Gibson
Um, so my answer to this is he is a buy, but you need to be selective. So where I'm going with this is in my own PC, I bought the Ruby wave and my rationale for buying the Ruby wave was I think buying Lucas is a good, ah is a good play. And particularly when he took a dive 12 months, 18 months ago, he was like quiet down a bit. The population on that is just 346.
00:20:27.95
Russell Gibson
And I do think at some point, the population is important.
00:20:28.84
Adz
Mm.
00:20:32.37
Russell Gibson
And, you know, it's all like, it's all ratioed. So for example, if I had, you know, infinite coin, I'd be looking at cards like this, the choice read to 88. The population on that is just 23 PSA 10.
00:20:46.55
Adz
mmm interesting interesting you say that I obviously go for the color match so I'm going for the blues yeah I know exactly right
00:20:46.64
Russell Gibson
And that last sold for 3500. And when Yeah, but relatively add, like, if you've got a silver that's at selling at 1,200, there's 2,000 of them, you only need an extra, only need, but okay, take the, you know what I'm trying to say, you only need another 2,000 bucks and then the population is like 100th of, you know, what it is.
00:21:07.54
Russell Gibson
So I think that's sort of where my head is going with all this. I feel like you almost just need to put your hand just a little bit deeper into your pocket and just sort of like pull something else out. Because if you look at these graphs, particularly in the old time, a lot of this stuff is like really down.
00:21:24.11
Adz
What about, so, all right. What are your thoughts on fast break here?
00:21:30.85
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm not massive onto fast break. I think there's a lot of value in fast break because it's under collected.
00:21:38.06
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:38.90
Russell Gibson
And so I would put that into the bucket of do not buy it if you don't like it.
00:21:44.25
Adz
Okay, so so the the reason I ask, um
00:21:46.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:21:47.89
Adz
I've just brought up the blue to 199. Last sold price is $10,000 and it's not in the last three months. In fact, it's not. When was it? It was, it was July this year.
00:21:59.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.
00:22:00.72
Adz
Right? um So July, 2024 sold for $10,800.
00:22:04.72
Russell Gibson
I know where you're going with this.
00:22:06.70
Adz
Fast break, blue to 175 as a pop of 70.
00:22:06.94
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:22:12.10
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:22:13.44
Adz
Last sold for $3,900.
00:22:15.10
Russell Gibson
Yep. I think that's, I think that's the type of thing where you would do really well out of it.
00:22:19.40
Adz
Like that, that is the fast break blue is the one that I would, if I were to buy a Luca, would buy that one.
00:22:26.34
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
00:22:29.11
Adz
Because I think this is, if if the sink does the sink if the ship does sink, it's not going down, like it's it's not it's ah it's not a a straight line down.
00:22:34.06
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:22:41.91
Russell Gibson
No.
00:22:42.46
Adz
Like it's a soft landing.
00:22:45.59
Adz
we we There'd be time for the women and children to get off, it'd be like the Titanic.
00:22:50.55
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.
00:22:51.70
Adz
jackal Jack won't survive.
00:22:55.48
Adz
Spoiler alert. um But yeah, like it's not I just think in this overproduction of cards, we need to be sensible and not and not sort of buy into the hype so much.
00:23:10.80
Adz
And you look, the silver prism is, is
00:23:10.83
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:23:13.60
Adz
It's amazing that it's held that, that level. Um, are we experiencing something similar with Yarnace's decline at the moment? Do you know, like what's happening to Yarnace as an individual versus Yarnace's team is, is concerning.
00:23:23.93
Russell Gibson
Oh, I don't know about that.
00:23:29.75
Russell Gibson
I think that's something we should talk. We should actually look into that properly until a segment on an ad.
00:23:33.45
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Cause I think there are, there are these little question marks that are starting to to get raised.
00:23:39.13
Russell Gibson
Because actually, I think now I'm going to say that for another day. Let's go to a break and we'll come back and we'll do Adam's eBay nightmare.
00:23:44.97
Adz
Uh-oh.
00:23:50.72
Russell Gibson
And we are back.
00:23:52.03
Adz
I'm refreshed.
00:23:52.28
Russell Gibson
Adam, how are you doing? Excellent. Now, you need to tell us about all the hard work you've been putting into YouTube and plug that thing, mate. Plug it. Go.
00:24:03.08
Adz
Plug it, um what what do I say? um I've been cleaning up our YouTube channel. ah We do go live there every every Sunday or Wednesday night, depends what night of the week we're but going live, but normally it's a Sunday night, typically Sunday.
00:24:15.86
Russell Gibson
Typically Sundays. Yeah.
00:24:17.36
Adz
you will if you're If you subscribe to the YouTube channel, you can actually tick a bell to get notified when we go live.
00:24:23.78
Russell Gibson
That's right. Turn on your notifications.
00:24:24.92
Adz
So you get like a little pop up on your phone that says, hey, Adam and Russell are going live.
00:24:29.10
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:24:31.74
Adz
jump in there and and give them hell.
00:24:33.95
Russell Gibson
Exactly.
00:24:35.29
Adz
If you want your notification to say that don't know it could be just like be nice and stuff.
00:24:39.63
Russell Gibson
Fact checkers. Ask Russell when his kid's born.
00:24:40.91
Adz
Yeah, factually, yeah, exactly.
00:24:42.66
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:24:43.23
Adz
um Yeah, I put a bunch of shorter videos, so obviously the Lucas segment that we've just done probably will go up as an individual video for for those that missed it to on the on the pod, or just want to listen to that.
00:24:43.74
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:24:56.08
Adz
So there's a little bit to that. We put up our our weekly highlights. um You can watch You can listen to every episode of the podcast. And it wasn't the YouTube feed that I went to actually like just counted that we did for in December 2021 to figure out the date anyway. um Yeah, every episode is on from episode one through to through through to forever.
00:25:20.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:21.02
Adz
is available on YouTube. ah We would really appreciate it if you're if you're listening to just pop over and and just subscribe to the channel. Let the algorithm know that you've identified us there and give our videos a like, you know.
00:25:35.91
Adz
Say hello, make some comments, we'll reply. I go through i go through the YouTube and look to reply to all the comments where I can, so.
00:25:39.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. look
00:25:42.34
Russell Gibson
I think the best way to say it is we've just been putting stuff up willy-nilly. Now you've gone through and curated it all. And it looks fantastic.
00:25:47.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:48.46
Russell Gibson
You've put new pictures on everything. So yeah, thank you, Adam. like Honestly, you've done a really good job there, mate. So thank you so much. Yeah.
00:25:54.28
Adz
Yeah, and if there's content you guys want, let us know. That's what that's what the comments are there for on YouTube, so.
00:26:00.50
Russell Gibson
All right. Tell us about your nightmare EBA experience, man. Let's go.
00:26:03.82
Adz
So funny story, not really funny at all. About a year and a half ago, I think we we did a topic. We did a topic about custom cards and people mis trying to mislead people.
00:26:16.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:16.69
Adz
Anyway, I may or may not have been in a meeting skimming eBay or getting notifications, I might bleed bits of it.
00:26:25.51
Russell Gibson
Do we need to edit this out?
00:26:29.67
Adz
I got a notification, I was on a break, it's fine, but I didn't have time.
00:26:32.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:34.51
Adz
I didn't have time to drill down. I was watching a card that I thought was genuine and I didn't dig as deep as I should have. Anyway, um I bid at the last minute, it the the bidding had already gone up.
00:26:47.84
Adz
It's not like it was a $50 card and all of a sudden at the last minute, it was up near $2,000. it was in and around the $1,800, $1,900 mark.
00:26:58.66
Adz
And I was like, should I, should I, there's too much value here not to click bid.
00:27:04.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:04.76
Adz
So I bought myself what I thought was a Kobe Bryant Kaboom. And I'm like, maybe I've just been lucky.
00:27:16.32
Adz
So I went and I paid for it. And the seller shipped it out. and the package arrived and I was really excited and I went to the post office and a big smile on my face brought it back home and I opened this parcel only to find that it was a knockoff from like Teemo that wouldn't it wouldn't even pass for a ah crappy revolution um different finish.
00:27:24.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:50.08
Russell Gibson
So what was like the giveaway? What was the initial giveaway to you?
00:27:54.07
Adz
the the the discoloration.
00:27:55.92
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:27:56.05
Adz
It was like a purple card. it was ah It was a photo of the kaboom, like it was an image of that kaboom just on glossy paper.
00:28:02.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, right.
00:28:04.46
Adz
It was trash. the give up The good thing is that this guy had tried to sell the fact that it was a legit panini card by putting in their item description the additional things that it was manufactured and produced by panini, which it wasn't.
00:28:21.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:23.23
Adz
So it and may have said in the description something misleading, like it said hollow. um
00:28:32.16
Adz
So there was some other thing in the description that wasn't an exact match, but it said Kobe Bryant kaboom and then added some bits and bobs.
00:28:37.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:39.60
Adz
However, in the description, it said manufactured by Panini, kaboom, subset kaboom, release year 2018. Do you know what I mean? Like it it tried to be,
00:28:51.06
Adz
um to claim it was the the Panini-released Kaboom.
00:28:55.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Yep.
00:28:57.00
Adz
Anyway, um I sent the guy and and a message, said, I'm not happy with this purchase. I'd like to return it. And there was radio silence.
00:29:09.85
Adz
Surprising, really. Someone said, you're spending $2,000 on a fake card. um Radio silence, so I messaged him again. I said, hey, look, this is a fake card. I know it's a fake card. um ah really ah I just want my money back.
00:29:22.72
Adz
I just want my money back. This is ridiculous.
00:29:25.47
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:29:26.12
Adz
Did the right thing. Contact eBay. Obviously you have to wait three days or whatever it is. eBay said, yep, no problem. We'll we'll log it as a case. um You won't have to deal with this guy again where we apologize for the the inconvenience.
00:29:42.72
Adz
Here's a shipping label. um Send it back and we'll issue a refund. Like I wanted to destroy the thing, but obviously in order to get my refund, I need to return the fake unlicensed card.
00:29:54.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:55.32
Adz
So I did that. um Because I'm in Australia, the label they provided me was US only.
00:30:04.64
Adz
And when I went into the label, it was like print a label, it's like, and then it said, or enter tracking details. And I'm like, okay, cool. So I went and posted the card and then entered the tracking details into the field that they provided in the case.
00:30:18.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:19.14
Adz
Right. Waited two weeks, card got back. Contact eBay, I'm like, the card's been delivered, can I have my refund? No. Like, why not? They're like, you didn't use our label. I'm like, I can't use your label, I'm in Australia. Oh, you can log a, what was it? ah they They said I could log an appeal. They closed my case.
00:30:46.59
Adz
saying no refund. So I was out of pocket two grand.
00:30:51.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:51.38
Adz
I didn't have my bullshit fake, sorry for the the language, my fake Kobe Bryant.
00:30:55.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:58.74
Adz
I had nothing apart from a lot of frustration. So I politely reached out to eBay again. And I rang them this time. And that was the last time I i made an actual, when I asked for help.
00:31:09.01
Adz
It's the last time I physically spoke to someone because I found out after the fact that if you just go in the text chat, you get a transcript of every conversation.
00:31:17.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And that is a unfortunate part of the world we live in with customer service.
00:31:18.71
Adz
So.
00:31:22.70
Russell Gibson
And for people at home, I'm using air quotes.
00:31:23.59
Adz
True.
00:31:25.14
Russell Gibson
It's yeah.
00:31:25.29
Adz
Yeah, yeah, so so this guy on the phone assured me that he was gonna take care of the appeal.
00:31:27.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:31:31.14
Adz
There wouldn't be any problems at all. He would put the proper tracking number, tracking details in, send it through and and within three to five business days, I would have my refund. Surprise, surprise, I did not get my refund and the appeal was considered closed.
00:31:48.47
Adz
I didn't get, I hadn't seen anything about the the appeal being closed. They hadn't emailed me yet. So I jumped back on eBay because I'm a little bit annoyed at this stage.
00:31:59.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.
00:31:59.86
Adz
Said, excuse me, you've screwed up. ah this is This is the thing. This is the case. I've sent the card back. I've got tracking. I've got confirmation here. It was delivered. I've done everything you've asked of me.
00:32:14.25
Adz
So why am I not getting my refund and why are you making me the villain in the story?
00:32:19.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:19.75
Adz
like What have I done wrong here? And they're like, well, you didn't use our label. The the case is now closed and and actually ended it went to end the chat. At which point I said, the first person I spoke to assured me of a refund. Bring back the great transcript of the initial inquiry, which was text.
00:32:47.57
Adz
um And I quoted that transcript number to which they went. Oh, okay. The guys assured you a refund. Have you got the Have you got all the tracking details? Where's the receipt to show that you actually posted it? I'm like I can get that and I couldn't find the receipt because it had been about four weeks and I was Quite of my I was yeah, I was ready. I was ready to jump down the phone and and I give eBay a piece of my mind.
00:33:14.69
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah
00:33:14.79
Adz
um Anyway, so i I went back to the post office.
00:33:15.51
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:33:18.71
Adz
I got the i got the proof. I knew the time that I'd lodged the the return. So I got a copy of the printout of the receipt, which had my phone number, tracking number, um all the things that had insurance, and it was the the proof of ah proof of delivery, said signature on on delivery.
00:33:38.25
Adz
So I sent that.
00:33:40.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:40.92
Adz
Nothing, another week passes. like ski a call At this point call means i I got on my high horse and started typing. So I jumped into e eBay and it took a while to get through to to get to customer service. You really have to be persistent to get through to talk to someone.
00:33:57.94
Adz
um rather than the automated assistant. It's like, I don't know if you remember the old days, but if you got through to an old voice recognition thing on customer service, if you started swearing or just kept pressing the zero, they eventually just put you through to somebody. Anyway, um so they came back to me and they said, look, a thanks for providing that receipt. However, you haven't provided a signed proof of delivery. At this point,
00:34:27.40
Adz
I probably won't share the details of the transcript because I think I did very well to be calm. I said i laid out my frustrations. I said, this is, I don't know, fifth fifth time I've had to contact Eva, fifth or sixth time. um You've closed the case on me, you've ignored what I've had to say. I keep giving you evidence, the evidence you specifically ask for and you then don't accept it.
00:34:50.97
Adz
at this point i was getting incredibly frustrated i launched a case with australia post i got the proof of delivery i emailed them the proof of the delivery at which point i then got an email back from ebay in reference to the transcript i just got off the call with saying that I hadn't uploaded the proof of delivery. I then replied to the email, so I've gone off the platform onto a hard email, uploaded the receipt, the photo of the POD, the tracking history and journey of the card, all transcripts that I had gone through with eBay and said, if this is insufficient evidence,
00:35:32.86
Adz
ah you will need to explain this to me. I've done everything you've asked.
00:35:35.66
Russell Gibson
It's nuts, isn't it?
00:35:37.85
Adz
and And that was on the 4th of November. um I got an email, I think it was the 10th, saying that the the evidence had been received and they apologized. Once the high value team had signed off and I was, at that point, I'm like, if you guys don't sign off, there's gonna be some some problems. They said, once they've signed off on that, you'll get your refund. and Yeah, i can I can happily say that on the 12th of November, after getting the card in mid-September, I finally got my refund. But that was one of the most unpleasant experiences I've ever had, and I felt like I'd done something wrong.
00:36:22.44
Russell Gibson
So like frustrations aside and and trying to look at this as a like a pure, um yeah, experience and like learning thing.
00:36:25.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:28.88
Adz
Experience? Learning experience, yeah.
00:36:32.19
Russell Gibson
So like my two questions for you are, the so the first one is like going right back to the start. So I'm just looking at sold listings of Kobe Bryant cabooms. You will not believe how many are selling below $200.
00:36:49.25
Adz
Below 200.
00:36:50.55
Russell Gibson
Right, so what I'm meaning by this, is basically they're either called customs, they're called cracked ices, they're called promotional cards, or the other one, which is probably my favorite, it's called a halo, H-A-L-O, instead of a a hollow.
00:36:54.49
Adz
Yep. Yes, that was...
00:37:03.08
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:37:06.71
Russell Gibson
So I think there is a lot of fakes going around, right?
00:37:07.42
Adz
And it's the same, there ah they're a Teemu card. Yep.
00:37:10.96
Russell Gibson
But then when you look at the real one, so then I'm looking at one here that sold on the 10th of November for $89.99.
00:37:19.92
Adz
Yep.
00:37:20.47
Russell Gibson
And then the one directly underneath that is sold for $5,000, but it's a PSA 10. It's exactly the same card. Like it's exactly the same design.
00:37:26.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:28.21
Russell Gibson
So actually, But this is a little bit of my own like fear coming out here and probably where I empathize with you like a little bit like I'm not saying this is your fault.
00:37:33.98
Adz
Yep.
00:37:38.39
Russell Gibson
I'm just saying like, you know, like, yeah.
00:37:39.70
Adz
Look, I could have, I could have very much paid attention instead of rushing my purchase, right?
00:37:42.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you know what I'm trying to say, right? Yeah. um But actually the card looks quite similar. So it's like, if you're looking at this from a system point of view, how do you avoid this from happening again?
00:37:48.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:54.20
Russell Gibson
And what I was thinking in my head, and I'll definitely want to get your feedback on this too, is actually look at cards in the PSA registry.
00:38:01.81
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:01.90
Russell Gibson
Because as much as we rag on PSA for overcharging people and upcharging and and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, actually, you can also use them as a source of truth. And they have a lot of information in their database.
00:38:13.67
Russell Gibson
They have like you know photographs, they've got serial numbers. like ah And if um if I'm gonna trust anybody who's gonna catalog a card correctly, look, I'm sure Lane does it right and um'm you know there's Beckett does it right and blah, blah, blah.
00:38:17.76
Adz
Of course, yeah.
00:38:28.36
Russell Gibson
but
00:38:29.03
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:29.42
Russell Gibson
The PSA registry, like I put a lot of beef into that. So that's probably like one thing I'll take away from that.
00:38:34.80
Adz
For sure.
00:38:35.76
Russell Gibson
And then the second thing I'm really interested to hear your opinion on this. You chose not to use the eBay ah shipping slip. What would you do differently next time?
00:38:48.73
Adz
I would ask at Australia Post how I can use that as that that that eBay shipping slip and create keep that tracking.
00:38:53.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:55.42
Adz
Because all they did was stick their international postage thing over the top of it and over rid it.
00:38:55.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:00.15
Adz
So they didn't, and obviously the person the old lady at the post office didn't understand
00:39:04.32
Russell Gibson
Or do you go back to or do you go back to eBay and say you need to reissue me and a different one?
00:39:04.65
Adz
What the purpose of my original label was, yeah.
00:39:09.22
Adz
I need an international, yeah.
00:39:11.89
Russell Gibson
Like, do you know what I mean?
00:39:12.62
Adz
Yeah, that's a good point.
00:39:13.80
Russell Gibson
Like, ah again, I'm just trying to look at this from a systems point of view, because I find this very difficult to believe you're the only person who's had this experience.
00:39:14.87
Adz
Yeah, no, I think that's, yeah.
00:39:23.59
Adz
Oh, I'm sure, um there wouldn't be people selling these these ridiculous cards on eBay if they, yeah.
00:39:23.92
Russell Gibson
And
00:39:29.35
Russell Gibson
And actually, if you think about it, I think in some ways you got lucky because somehow Australia Post got you um evidence of the signature on delivery.
00:39:37.62
Adz
I am within, within two days? No, within a day. Australia Post, I emailed Australia Post and said, here's my tracking number. I paid for signature on delivery and um United States postal service sent Australia Post, then they sent it to me, the signed POD.
00:39:58.56
Adz
So whatever, whatever signature and they delivered it at.
00:39:58.82
Russell Gibson
I mean,
00:40:01.16
Russell Gibson
Obviously, obviously I have much less faith in the system than you do.
00:40:06.64
Adz
Yep.
00:40:07.92
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? Like I'm actually shocked that you received that information at all, let alone in a timely fashion.
00:40:08.70
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:40:12.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:15.39
Russell Gibson
So I feel like that's something else where, you know, the system could have let you down a little bit too.
00:40:15.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:19.05
Adz
I was terrified the system was going to let me down.
00:40:19.07
Russell Gibson
So yeah.
00:40:21.13
Adz
to the field yeah But it's um my question to you, i for for for cards of that higher higher value,
00:40:24.62
Russell Gibson
Hit me.
00:40:30.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:40:32.85
Adz
look if I'm buying rookie cards and things yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna look for a PSA 10 there's do you know what I mean like but if and we're talking cabooms and how do you how do you not get caught up if it's not a graded card like how do you get assurances of
00:40:48.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
00:40:53.27
Adz
Right, sure, I was lucky this time, and I say lucky very, very tongue-in-cheek, because I would say I was very persistent. There was no way I was letting this go, and eBay thought they'd fob me off a few times. and And that would be my advice, is even if they say a case is closed, argue until you're blue in the face and and don't give up, if you especially if you're on the right.
00:41:19.40
Adz
um But yeah, like how do you avoid, if a card's like a, say it's it is legitimately a $3,000 card and you bid it out, it bids up and it's, why don't I don't know, you get 2900 and it looks all fine and it's not. How do how do you stop the fake from getting through?
00:41:38.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I think the other thing, i'm again, I'm just looking through the the registry of the solds on these cards.
00:41:46.08
Adz
Mm.
00:41:46.46
Russell Gibson
A lot of these people who were flogging these off haven't got more than a hundred feedback points.
00:41:51.53
Adz
Much better, yeah. Yeah, my guy had like 600 or 700, I think.
00:41:54.67
Russell Gibson
And then there's, yeah, that, and that is a, that's a bit of an outlier. I'll definitely admit that.
00:41:59.57
Adz
I shouldn't have, rear I should have realized that the guy sell, he sells repacks. So, the other stuff, like he didn't have any other high end, yeah.
00:42:04.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And then there's,
00:42:07.69
Russell Gibson
There's actually one here that sold raw for 2,500 and that's sold by Tull and he has 12,000 reviews.
00:42:13.90
Adz
Yep. Yeah.
00:42:16.20
Russell Gibson
So I feel like that's something that I would use to feel confident about.
00:42:19.90
Adz
yeah
00:42:22.61
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:23.15
Russell Gibson
And then at the end of the day, it really is about knowing your product. So for example, there's some things I feel pretty confident about purchasing and I wouldn't need to lean onto somebody.
00:42:28.33
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:33.68
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:34.45
Russell Gibson
But okay so the perfect example is a a Jordan rookie I would never buy a Jordan rookie without talking to someone who I would consider to be an expert but if I'm being honest with you I wouldn't buy a Jordan rookie unless it was PSA graded because now I know I've got that guarantee.
00:42:38.80
Adz
yeah
00:42:42.40
Adz
I like that. Yeah.
00:42:52.33
Adz
Yep, spot on.
00:42:53.65
Russell Gibson
And so that's probably like where I'm sort of leaning like the second part of my question, you know, I would, depends on my knowledge level.
00:42:54.08
Adz
Yep.
00:42:56.60
Adz
Mmm.
00:43:00.27
Russell Gibson
You know, if I don't know enough about it, I would, I would buy that insurance for myself and buying it PSA graded, even if it's a lower grade.
00:43:06.58
Adz
Yep. Yeah, for sure.
00:43:08.02
Russell Gibson
You know, so yeah, I think that's how I'd answer your question. Yeah.
00:43:10.98
Adz
Yep, yep. It's um... Yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad the nightmares over that that's pretty much that's pretty much my summary of it.
00:43:19.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:19.44
Adz
But my advice to anyone out there is if you do have issues with eBay, persist, and seriously, go via the talk to an agent and do it via the text, because you get a transcript transcript into recorded a documented version of the conversation.
00:43:32.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:36.16
Adz
So it's not he said she said it's, it's black and white.
00:43:38.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing that story. ad And we are now going to hear from our second sponsor fastbreaktradingcards dot.com.
00:43:50.64
Russell Gibson
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00:44:05.33
Adz
Did they just go or did they come? Oh, are they back?
00:44:07.32
Russell Gibson
I've been seeing a lot of videos of them on on Instagram. So I don't know if the shops open this week, actually. So give them a call or shoot them a message before you drop in this week.
00:44:16.48
Adz
ah What happens if they get back and they're just straight to the hobby hangout?
00:44:20.78
Russell Gibson
I wouldn't put it past those two, they're like cardboard cowboys really aren't they?
00:44:24.69
Adz
Yeah, pretty much.
00:44:25.54
Russell Gibson
We should get them a cowboy hat and write their name on it.
00:44:28.40
Adz
They've probably got like a Dallas Cowboys helmet.
00:44:31.05
Russell Gibson
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00:44:32.22
Adz
Yep.
00:44:50.11
Adz
Mm.
00:44:51.19
Russell Gibson
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00:45:05.17
Russell Gibson
Adam, how are you feeling, mate? Have, do you feel unloaded?
00:45:08.16
Adz
i feel I feel lighter, I do.
00:45:09.06
Russell Gibson
Now you had that off your, your chest.
00:45:09.96
Adz
i've got a Yeah, I've told the story a couple of times now, but yeah, it was it was nice to sort of go through it in its entirety.
00:45:12.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:17.24
Adz
I'm sorry if I put anyone to sleep. And yeah, it just goes to show that that all of us are susceptible to to getting duped.
00:45:24.82
Russell Gibson
Oh, yeah, I don't think. No, I don't think that you should feel bad about being tricked. I think the person who is trying to trick people is the one that shouldn't be sleeping at night.
00:45:36.77
Adz
a Yeah, yeah.
00:45:38.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:40.37
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Jamarat has been going off this year. So I think it is more than appropriate to check in on this young man. And he is currently trading at $493.
00:45:56.25
Russell Gibson
If you're looking at that over the last two weeks, that's up 12%. If you're looking at this over the last month, he's up about 4%. So it's not a huge jump. We're talking about population earlier today. 1,713 is his population on that.
00:46:12.74
Russell Gibson
I think my opinion from last week hasn't really changed at all, but in saying that he is now back on the injury list, considered week to week and doesn't have a specific timetable for his return, the team announced on Sunday. So as always, we wish him nothing but the best to get better. I believe it was an in-air injury that he suffered from.
00:46:37.73
Adz
Probably while he was flying, yeah. and ban is
00:46:42.28
Russell Gibson
And in true, you can't comp this. We have found a beautiful jammer ant card here. Immaculate Logo Man, one of one from 1920. So that is his rookie year. Had to think about that for two seconds. Sold for 240,000 USD. i I don't like that as a, as a price. I'm not going to lie to you.
00:47:12.50
Russell Gibson
I think that's a like a really big risk. I think logomans are definitely valuable, but NT and Flawless is fine. I'm totally fine with that, but is Immaculate that higher end of a product? I'm not too sure I'm in on that.
00:47:29.33
Adz
Woah. Rookie logo man?
00:47:36.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's iMac though.
00:47:40.44
Russell Gibson
I mean, technically, NT's got stickers in it now too. So like, do we then, do we now consider NT to be not so much of a high-end product?
00:47:44.42
Adz
I was gonna say, it's it's dead it's not Don Russ.
00:47:53.87
Russell Gibson
I mean.
00:47:55.36
Adz
i mean I mean, yeah, I guess the the next day autos got value in a different way, but do you know what I mean? It's a ah relatively high-end product, relatively.
00:48:06.09
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:48:08.32
Adz
um
00:48:08.36
Russell Gibson
Do you think that's a shrewd purchase?
00:48:12.30
Adz
I think someone's investing in him and thinks that he's, I don't know, going to get some kind of transplant to make the rest of his body rubber so he bounces off things when he lands, but
00:48:23.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think that's the other thing that's in the back of my head.
00:48:25.33
Adz
He's um...
00:48:27.03
Russell Gibson
Like I feel like low end, having a dabble on jar is fine, but a thousand plus that makes me like super nervous and, you know, to multiply that by 240.
00:48:31.43
Adz
Hmm.
00:48:35.62
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:39.83
Adz
Gulp.
00:48:40.79
Russell Gibson
That's, um, medication requiring anxiety, you know?
00:48:42.25
Adz
Just gulp.
00:48:45.19
Adz
Yep. For sure.
00:48:46.75
Russell Gibson
All righty. Next on the list, Dyson Daniels added again, I've entitled this one.
00:48:52.63
Adz
Ha ha ha ha!
00:48:54.45
Russell Gibson
versus the Boston Celtics where the Hawks got up by 1.41 minutes. 12 of 21 from the field, one of five from three will give him that. Three rebounds, seven assists and six deals.
00:49:08.45
Russell Gibson
28 points was his final line there.
00:49:11.25
Adz
Not too shabby.
00:49:11.28
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately six turnovers, but again, you know, we can forgive that.
00:49:14.02
Adz
Well, they won the game, so...
00:49:15.67
Russell Gibson
In 41 minutes of play, that's that's huge for Daniels. Look, I'm just going to put myself into the Twitter echo chamber on this. I love this kid. I think he's a good NBA basketball player.
00:49:30.13
Russell Gibson
I think if you're picking up his cards for a couple of bucks each, which, you know, you can still get some stuff for pretty cheap. I think it's fantastic. He's got a lot of upside. I think he's in a really good situation for him.
00:49:41.43
Russell Gibson
I ah really do believe the NBA is 60% situational. And I think he and Trey Young make a whole lot of sense together. So just 21 years of age, I think he's still got a lot of upside there too.
00:49:50.91
Adz
Hmm.
00:49:54.91
Russell Gibson
so Yep.
00:49:57.48
Adz
Positive.
00:49:58.41
Russell Gibson
Dyson Daniels added again. I'm not too sure if this is too soon for you mate, but we've got a Alan Iverson Kaboom.
00:50:03.19
Adz
Of course we do.
00:50:08.75
Russell Gibson
PSA graded not raw from Teemu. Population on this is just 10. And this is the PSA 9 too, which is like pretty interesting. So this sold for 1,424.
00:50:22.24
Russell Gibson
Look, I've got no problem with this at all. And actually,
00:50:24.05
Adz
It's got the PSA guarantee, it's fine.
00:50:26.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I've got no problems with this at all. I think this is a really good purchase. I think that Iverson is, you know, influential for that era of player. I think the artwork on this card is just way ahead of its time. And we're starting to see, you know, sets coming or not starting to see we've had a lot of sets in the last 12 months that have had, you know, very similar artwork. In fact, they brought back the original artist in hoops this year.
00:50:52.97
Russell Gibson
Look, I love this. and I think for a long term purchase, this is just, you know, money in the bank and yeah, shrewd.
00:50:54.29
Adz
Yeah. Yep.
00:50:59.60
Russell Gibson
So yeah, cabooms, buys and holds. I think that's the best way to say it.
00:51:04.67
Adz
Yeah, I don't think, um... Yeah, I can't say a bad word of about Kabooms unless they're fake.
00:51:14.85
Russell Gibson
ah Let's do a quick injury rundown because since last week we had a fair few injuries to go through, we've got more coming up this week. So, Raptors say guard Emmanuel quickly sustained a partial tear to his ulnar collateral ligament in his left elbow,
00:51:30.45
Russell Gibson
reevaluate it in a week. I don't think this is going to be a week injury. I think this is more going to be like a month.
00:51:36.00
Adz
Yep.
00:51:36.25
Russell Gibson
I'm just putting my fake medical hat on for a second. That comes from Mark J Spears. So I think the obvious upside here is Grady Dick. Grady Dick, RJ Barrett are going to be the big winners there.
00:51:48.60
Russell Gibson
um Cooper flags, sweepstakes also are the winners for the Toronto Raptors in this situation.
00:51:49.44
Adz
Yep. Ha ha.
00:51:57.45
Russell Gibson
The pelicans have got another injury. This comes from Shams. Another injury blowed to the pelicans. Pelicans guard Jose Alvarado, expected to miss six weeks to a hamstring.
00:52:07.47
Adz
Geez, they can't take a trick, can they?
00:52:11.22
Russell Gibson
They are getting, they can't take a trick. ah Yeah, they they they can.
00:52:18.53
Adz
They're, I don't know. i yeah Six of their top seven are out.
00:52:21.83
Russell Gibson
They're getting hammered at the moment though, so yeah.
00:52:25.04
Adz
This is the Brandon Ingram show.
00:52:25.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah r ROP, the pelicans bench for sure.
00:52:29.73
Adz
Yep.
00:52:31.02
Russell Gibson
ah This comes from buckets on Instagram. OKC's first, second and third string centers are all injured. So Chet is out until January 26. We can mesh this in with our next story.
00:52:42.11
Russell Gibson
So unfortunately, Chet took a pretty heavy fall.
00:52:46.11
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:46.34
Russell Gibson
I was initially reported as a hip injury but actually he's got a fractured pelvis so and that's something that you can't particularly you know get back from quickly so I don't I don't think he's gonna be back in general I think that's gonna be like March or something like that so
00:52:49.60
Adz
That's so rough.
00:52:56.68
Adz
my
00:53:02.90
Russell Gibson
Hartenstein, which was their big offseason acquisition, is not going to be back until December the 3rd. I kind of get the feeling they'll rush him back a little bit sooner. And then their third string, the Paul Williams brother, is going to be back in December the 3rd, too.
00:53:15.80
Russell Gibson
I don't know. Do they need to rush him back? I'm not too sure about that. But their starting lineup is super interesting.
00:53:19.14
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:20.86
Russell Gibson
Basically, SGA was their tallest player on the court for their last game.
00:53:24.51
Adz
They're just gonna play but like a crazy, crazy version of Small Ball.
00:53:28.11
Russell Gibson
I think Jalen Williams is going to play center for them. I think that's the but idea.
00:53:32.96
Adz
That's pretty cool.
00:53:33.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:35.33
Adz
Not gonna lie, I think that's...
00:53:35.47
Russell Gibson
Probably league league path pass worthy.
00:53:39.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:39.88
Russell Gibson
Isn't it really? Yeah.
00:53:40.63
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
00:53:43.00
Russell Gibson
Do we take another ad break now and then come back and just do the last 10 minutes? we're We're way out of sorts here, but that's okay.
00:53:47.44
Adz
Yeah. We had a scene because I may have may have gone on and on and on.
00:53:52.28
Russell Gibson
It's okay. It's fine. It was, it was organic.
00:53:54.34
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:54.97
Russell Gibson
It was, you know, yeah.
00:53:57.47
Adz
Yeah, let's take a break.
00:53:58.55
Russell Gibson
Yep, US Sports Cards Australia, thank you so much for your support and your pledge for the next 10 months or so. We are very grateful for this. Before I go into COMCA, I'll really quickly just pick up one thing on the website and I will highlight this. If you go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au, go to collectible protection, click on sleeves and bags. Let's see what Roscoe's got for sale here.
00:54:26.41
Russell Gibson
he has got USSCA branded card sleeves for $1.80, he's got the BCW vinyl nine pocket page standard trading cards pack of 20 for $18.99 which seems outrageous when you're a kid because you could pick those up for 10 cents each but with today's inflation that is an absolute bargain BCW thick card sleeves protectors ah that just looks like a different brand of penny sleeves they're $2.24 and then the graded card sleeves are $10 a packet which actually is quite handy for putting obviously graded cards into
00:55:05.40
Russell Gibson
but also you can bag up your cards in preparation for the hobby hangout this weekend. I just slid that in there absolutely beautifully. Now COMC is the big one that Ross has been working on. It's exactly the same as COMC in America but COMC in Australia.
00:55:23.20
Russell Gibson
Send all of your cards to Ross. He will list them, sell them, put the money into your bank account. You don't have to worry about a thing. He's now got the seller login. He's got the submission for your new sellers on there. He's getting everything up and automated. He's got about 3,000 cards on there, another 2,000 to go up. So 5,000 in total, guys. Check it out on US sports cards, australia dot.com.au.
00:55:52.07
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back.
00:55:54.43
Adz
We're back.
00:55:55.56
Russell Gibson
How are you doing?
00:55:56.63
Adz
I'm good, I'm good. I'm ready for the final stretch.
00:55:58.89
Russell Gibson
Excellent. Alrighty. Brandon Miller, one of one. Here we go. If you're listening at home and you're wondering why are we talking about cards, you can always look at them on the YouTube stream.
00:56:09.90
Russell Gibson
And also in the podcast description, I always put in the links every week. So if you want to click on those, you can see the pictures that we are now referring to.
00:56:15.27
Adz
Nice.
00:56:19.39
Adz
I normally click Russell's links so that I can display them on the YouTube stream.
00:56:19.76
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.
00:56:23.55
Russell Gibson
Or that too, that that too, yeah. Brandon Miller has just hit the game-winning buzzer beater against Detroit, recorded 19.6 rebounds and four assists. His Nebula Optic one-of-one just sold for $13,949. Now we just had another one-of-one in today's show, which was the Jamarant for $240,000, a little bit difficult to compare the two.
00:56:48.47
Adz
Yeah, just a little bit.
00:56:49.08
Russell Gibson
But for some context there, it gives us a bit of a baseline of like where we're standing.
00:56:54.07
Adz
How much is a pack of Donruss Optic?
00:56:58.57
Russell Gibson
So the nebulas come out of choice. So that's a little bit of a trick question.
00:57:02.50
Adz
Ah, okay.
00:57:02.64
Russell Gibson
And there's only one packet in a box of choice, Adam. So I feel like you you were trying to test my um my knowledge of that.
00:57:06.33
Adz
So what's the box? but What's the box worth?
00:57:11.74
Russell Gibson
I would probably say around 500 Aussie off the top of my head.
00:57:14.30
Adz
Cool, and what's a box of iMac worth?
00:57:18.16
Russell Gibson
two and a half, 3000, probably more now actually, probably, yeah.
00:57:21.28
Adz
Okay, so the hot. Yeah.
00:57:23.99
Russell Gibson
Now we're a couple of years down the track for Jamaran Zion.
00:57:27.17
Adz
Yeah. So yeah, um I'm just like the, the, the cost of a pack to get that plus you guaranteed is only one.
00:57:27.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:32.93
Russell Gibson
The context.
00:57:34.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:34.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:35.22
Adz
Yep.
00:57:35.49
Russell Gibson
I see what you're saying. Anyway, let's get back to Brandon Miller here. I segwayed horribly then that was a failure.
00:57:41.10
Adz
That's all right.
00:57:44.02
Russell Gibson
That was an eBay return request failure, wasn't it really?
00:57:48.14
Adz
That was, it was since get the tracking ring.
00:57:54.91
Russell Gibson
Would you buy that for 13,000? This is what I'm i'm slowly getting to.
00:57:58.95
Adz
Uh, no.
00:58:02.27
Adz
I just, I, last week, I think we, we, there was a, another Wembley one of one. And at that point I'm like, how many different one of ones till the one of one phenomena is not as special and you need to be a bit more picky about it.
00:58:22.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:23.67
Adz
And I just think that Don Russell, yeah, Don Russell's like the choices. not where I'm digging, where I'm hoping I'm gonna hit a one of one.
00:58:32.94
Russell Gibson
Actually, I've got a better comp. So last week, we spoke about the young man who sold the Jalen Brunson, one of one Nebula for 350 bucks, right?
00:58:39.52
Adz
The $300 one. Yeah, yeah.
00:58:42.81
Russell Gibson
So actually, when you put it in that context, and then it sold for 90,000, And I think Brandon Miller's got some legs. I actually think he's very skilled.
00:58:53.44
Adz
yeah yeah
00:58:54.56
Russell Gibson
And I think if we're being realistic about last year, I think that was a very difficult situation to go in. Like they were completely upended last year with the injuries.
00:59:04.32
Adz
What do you think the Brandon Miller um rookie nebula prism would be worth?
00:59:12.54
Russell Gibson
Probably double that. and
00:59:14.29
Adz
So you're you reckon, yeah, around the 25 to 30k.
00:59:16.14
Russell Gibson
20, yeah, so 20 to 25. Yeah.
00:59:18.66
Adz
Okay.
00:59:18.97
Russell Gibson
But where I'm going with this is, you know, I think he's pretty talented. So it's, it's not crazy to say that will pop, but is it guaranteed to, to go to that much? No way.
00:59:28.59
Adz
No, it's not.
00:59:28.61
Russell Gibson
Like I ah don't think so.
00:59:30.08
Adz
No, it's not.
00:59:30.60
Russell Gibson
I think that's definitely a lot of risk there, but yeah.
00:59:30.74
Adz
You're giving him a couple of years before he's here, but you have to get in. The problem with people paying these, these overs, I guess, are paying, paying the um ah hype tax, I guess we call it.
00:59:42.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:59:43.02
Adz
That, that gap is if you don't get in early and you don't pay the gap early, then if it does go crazy, then you've lost, right?
00:59:48.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:52.65
Adz
It's interesting that, that you sort of, you have to pay the tax somewhere.
00:59:56.65
Russell Gibson
All right. I think this is going to be the last thing I'm going to talk about tonight, ad but this is a really good way to go out. so and I was thinking about this today. Kirk Goldsberry, I think is one of the smartest guys in basketball, but he's also so good at presenting you the information in a visual way that even an idiot like me can understand. So follow Kirk Goldsberry on Instagram. Now this post is from November the 13th. So if you want to go back and look at this on Instagram, you can again, otherwise it'd be in the link on the show. And it's called Tears of a Clown.
01:00:34.37
Russell Gibson
And I think what the argument he's trying to make here is that number one on the pyramid is Nicola Jokic.
01:00:42.28
Russell Gibson
And he's labeled that the Serbian man tier.
01:00:47.29
Russell Gibson
Guys that are sick of Serbian man tier is SGA and Tatum.
01:00:52.94
Adz
Mm hmm.
01:00:53.35
Russell Gibson
The next tier is called two Anthony's and one Luca, which is Luca, Anthony Edwards and Anthony Davis.
01:00:58.74
Adz
I love it.
01:01:00.65
Russell Gibson
And then the bottom of the pyramid is Donovan Mitchell, which he should definitely be in this conversation because the calves are still unbeaten.
01:01:00.93
Adz
yeah
01:01:09.88
Russell Gibson
Yannis Bronson, who we're just talking about two seconds ago. And of course, Steph Curry, which is technically in control of the most efficient team in the league at the moment.
01:01:19.93
Adz
Did you read out the name of that tier? That is, there's some more guys over here tier.
01:01:26.32
Russell Gibson
He's smart and funny, Kurt Goldsberry.
01:01:28.37
Adz
Yes, yes. And then he's got, down, right down the bottom, he's got, don't rule us out, KD, Booker and Jarmurant.
01:01:38.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so in Kirk's comment, what are you saying is Serbi, not Serbi, see poll below. Bad news for those people sick of Nicola Jokic winning the NBA MVP.
01:01:50.16
Russell Gibson
He might do it again. The dude is leading the league in rebounds and assists and his fourth in scoring. Oh, and the Nuggets are suddenly seven and three. So yeah, it's, um,
01:01:59.51
Adz
From an O2 start there, yep, yep, seven and three, yep.
01:02:02.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's just so good at basketball. It's just not funny, isn't it? Uh, something else I found on Twitter from at MBA history. Nicole Yochik is the first player in MBA history to total 37 points, 18 rebounds and 15 assists in one game.
01:02:20.42
Russell Gibson
Now interrupt me, go.
01:02:20.54
Adz
i umm um but that and but That's a very specific number.
01:02:27.50
Russell Gibson
I think the kicker there is the number of assists at, I reckon heaps of dudes have had 37 and 18, but to get that 15th assist,
01:02:34.40
Adz
Okay. Do you know, but people are like, people like rounded up, right? Like a 30, like 30, 15 and 15.
01:02:44.50
Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying. i and I understand what you're saying a hundred percent, but I would say the thing that really makes this an outlying stat is the 15 assists.
01:02:54.74
Russell Gibson
Like that is insane when you think about it.
01:02:55.47
Adz
Yeah. I want to know what the next closest to the pin is. Is it 36, 18 and 15?
01:03:00.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:03.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It'll be 14. It'll be like 14 assists.
01:03:06.66
Adz
It would be, yeah, but it's it's interesting.
01:03:08.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:09.98
Adz
Or maybe there's multiples. Maybe there's someone sitting there with 35.17 rebounds and 16 assists.
01:03:15.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:16.89
Adz
Who knows? That's incredibly's insane, you're right.
01:03:19.76
Russell Gibson
All righty. lu Luca Doncic is on my brain. Nicoliocic population on a silver PSA 10 is 174. ah This last sold for $2600.
01:03:32.00
Russell Gibson
I gotta tell you, I got cold feet on this. I was hoping to get one last year and I i just didn't pull the trigger and...
01:03:41.87
Russell Gibson
Small sample size, but he's doing it again, isn't he?
01:03:47.44
Russell Gibson
What if he gets another MVP?
01:03:47.60
Adz
Do I?
01:03:55.39
Adz
It's not that much of a what if, right?
01:03:58.93
Russell Gibson
And the population is so low on that.
01:03:59.97
Adz
There's not many people in the league that are better than him. That pyramid is bang on. Do you know what I mean? Like current MVP race, the top three
01:04:09.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:13.93
Adz
I don't know, you could change the order a little bit, but the top five have been... ...Yokich, SGA, Anthony Davis... ...Lukas in there, and Tatum.
01:04:27.52
Adz
like Like... At what point is this guy... ...the unicorn that that that everyone touted Pazingas and Yarnas to be?
01:04:40.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it actually sets a really high bar for Wembley to overcome. Like if we're talking ultra-modern cards and players, so actually that's a sitcom.
01:04:49.72
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:52.06
Russell Gibson
Like we just sit down, I put a graphic together, we do Wembley versus Yo-Kic right now.
01:05:00.98
Adz
Wow, okay.
01:05:04.07
Adz
I mean, I don't know, I know.
01:05:04.21
Russell Gibson
Cause then you've got, then you've got all the upside, no achievements.
01:05:06.63
Adz
Wembley's gonna get a quadruple double at some point in the next three years.
01:05:08.81
Russell Gibson
You've got the high pop count, the low pop count, and then you've got the prices and you can just like comp it all out. That's fun.
01:05:15.41
Adz
True, yeah.
01:05:17.05
Russell Gibson
Next week.
01:05:17.13
Adz
Yeah, I'm down with that.
01:05:18.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:19.07
Adz
um
01:05:21.73
Adz
I don't know, as far as the... Yeah, if I'm putting my my um my money behind, I don't know, the big European player. It's not Luca, it's Nikola Jokic.
01:05:39.96
Russell Gibson
So at 2.6, would you feel comfortable buying that?
01:05:46.33
Adz
What's that?
01:05:46.95
Russell Gibson
Would you like that or a fake Kobe kaboom?
01:05:46.98
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:49.11
Russell Gibson
What you tell me?
01:05:50.24
Adz
Oh, really? I'll take that.
01:05:51.55
Russell Gibson
Too soon?
01:05:52.00
Adz
No, no, I'll takellll i'll take the yokich.
01:05:52.51
Russell Gibson
Too soon? Sorry.
01:05:54.16
Adz
Although, yeah.
01:05:54.34
Russell Gibson
That was mean, wasn't it?
01:05:56.75
Adz
um No, I like that for a price. I like i do i do like it, I think.
01:06:01.12
Russell Gibson
It's not outrageous, is it? yeah
01:06:02.47
Adz
It isn't. It's been on the rise.
01:06:08.71
Russell Gibson
and
01:06:08.81
Adz
but it so but But then again, it hasn't. Does that make sense? Like he ebbs and flows, but every time people lose confidence in him, he goes and just defies reality. Like Aaron Gordon's out injured.
01:06:21.37
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like, the nuggets are thin, but he's like, it doesn't matter.
01:06:26.74
Russell Gibson
the The thing I like about him the most is just how good he's ah getting everyone else into the offense.
01:06:27.17
Adz
yeahp yeah And he finds a way.
01:06:31.89
Russell Gibson
It almost doesn't matter who's around him. He can just sort of have people play off him, you know?
01:06:37.85
Adz
Like, it's amazing. You're right. You've actually hit the nail on the head how he makes players better.
01:06:43.11
Russell Gibson
Oh.
01:06:44.92
Adz
Like, He's got these point guard qualities in in in this point center.
01:06:48.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's a point center. Absolutely.
01:06:53.06
Adz
Yeah, there you go.
01:06:53.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Um, really quickly, we got to tie this off, but looking at this sheet, I think this is also like a fun sheet to buy players off.
01:07:04.52
Adz
Yes.
01:07:04.62
Russell Gibson
I feel like Kurt Goldsmith has done all our homework for us. Okay. That's the episode done. Let's just talk about these 10 players that's in the pyramid. That's it.
01:07:11.58
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:12.06
Russell Gibson
Who cares about all this speculation, Grady Dick? Are you kidding me? Like, here's Jalen Brunson, Steph Curry, Giannis, Donovan Mitchell. That's it. That's the lowest you would speculate on.
01:07:22.44
Russell Gibson
The worst player in here is Donovan Mitchell. And maybe we would buy some of him. And that's, you know what I mean? That's it. That's the whole episode.
01:07:28.96
Adz
That's, yeah, ands yeah, yeah.
01:07:29.50
Russell Gibson
Done. Yeah. I cut you off. Sorry, mate.
01:07:32.99
Adz
No, no, I'm looking at it.
01:07:33.04
Russell Gibson
What are we going to say?
01:07:34.56
Adz
I'm like, we'll talk about Steph later. We'll make we'll make him a topic later.
01:07:37.35
Russell Gibson
Sure. We can do Steph next week, just like we did. Yep. Done. All right, man. Thanks for a great show.
01:07:44.88
Adz
Thank you. We'll see everybody hopefully, everybody that's in Melbourne, Sunday at the hobby hangout.
01:07:48.56
Russell Gibson
Sunday.
01:07:51.42
Adz
Please come up and say hello.
01:07:52.69
Russell Gibson
Yep. Trade cards with us.
01:07:53.60
Adz
Come and ask us a question. Come and show us your trades. Let's do a deal.
01:07:56.91
Russell Gibson
yeah Yep.
01:07:57.64
Adz
let's
01:07:57.77
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:07:58.77
Adz
Yeah, let's hang out. This is gonna be a lot of fun. Looking forward to it.
01:08:02.52
Russell Gibson
Thanks for listening, everyone. Central coast radio shout out. Thank you so much. Catch you later.