Episode 174: Phillipa from @PgCollectablesAus, Wemby vs Jokic, Stefan Higgo HH Review, Repacks, Franz Wagner

Episode 174: 
We are curing our post Hobby Hangout hangover with some fresh HH content. 
We are joined by Philippa from @Pgcollectablesaus to discuss the Hobby from the perspective of a woman
- We go deep into the Wemby vs Jokic debate
- Stefan Higgo  pens an amazing break down of the Melbourne Hobby Hangout
- Repacks
- Franz Wagner 

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00:00:00.01
Adz
I get doubled.

00:00:01.20
Russell Gibson
I'm recording.

00:00:02.94
Adz
Oh, this could get this could get scary.

00:00:17.27
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 174 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson. And we are, we're back to business as usual, I think.

00:00:32.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it feels like it's been a couple of weeks since we actually have done a pod, but we technically put one up last week.

00:00:36.98
Adz
Yeah, yeah, there's been, there's been a lot happening.

00:00:41.35
Adz
We did, we did. And speaking, well, that was our hobby hangout, wasn't it? All the five minutes of, and sometimes going more than five minutes, probably courtesy of myself. um Fire.

00:00:52.87
Russell Gibson
That was easily the best episode we've ever done, honestly.

00:00:55.86
Adz
That was fun.

00:00:56.28
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah.

00:00:57.02
Adz
That was heaps of fun.

00:00:58.03
Russell Gibson
And just getting all these different opinions and viewpoints and different takes that, you know, we just would never come up with that stuff ourselves. Like even Jared's one, which I probably thought was the most um zaniest of all the ideas.

00:01:11.22
Russell Gibson
That was a really fun idea.

00:01:13.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:13.46
Russell Gibson
And I've had people message me saying like, that's a really good idea. Like, you know, why hasn't someone done this?

00:01:17.74
Adz
Hmm.

00:01:18.50
Russell Gibson
You know, why can't we do this? you know So. And I wouldn't have thought about that, you know, in a million years.

00:01:22.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:24.28
Russell Gibson
Like it was just a the whole thing. I just really enjoyed it and just getting out and seeing people. And I think, you know, Matthew Payne's interview and he spoke about the relationships that people build and all that type of stuff.

00:01:35.00
Russell Gibson
And it's, he's right. It's a hundred percent right. the

00:01:37.38
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's it's an amazing event. It's good to to have such so many good people in the hobby.

00:01:43.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:43.38
Adz
It was great chatting with everybody. So yeah, looking forward to the next show. For sure.

00:01:48.35
Russell Gibson
So just a really quick rundown for today's show. We're actually going to have one more interview from the hobby hangout. And it's going to be Philippa from PSG Collectibles.

00:01:58.57
Russell Gibson
Hope I've got that right. PG Collectibles, AUS or Oz.

00:02:00.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:03.62
Russell Gibson
And then we're also going to be doing our promotion of our giveaway for our YouTube channel. So Adam has been working away on that and it looks infinitely better than what it was.

00:02:14.37
Russell Gibson
And our activity on that ad has gone up exponentially. So the the line used to be sort of down at 1%. I feel like now it's sort of, what do you reckon 60, 70%?

00:02:21.67
Adz
Yeah, we've got we've got ah we've got a little bit of engagement on the reels.

00:02:23.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:24.55
Adz
um People are checking out the episodes, people are checking out snippets of the episodes, because I have been putting up little highlights from old episodes and most recent ones, just with topics that I think are hard-hitting, nice and quick 10 minutes, where we you know where I rag on Luca for 10 minutes.

00:02:28.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:39.90
Adz
like Everyone wants to listen to that.

00:02:39.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Absolutely.

00:02:42.13
Adz
Exactly. Yeah.

00:02:42.96
Russell Gibson
Give the people what they want.

00:02:44.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:45.11
Russell Gibson
So how the competition is going to work is that you subscribe to the YouTube channel. We're currently at 80 subscribers. I checked that before we came online today. Once we get to 150 subscribers, we will take everyone's name, put it into a randomizer,

00:02:59.53
Russell Gibson
The top spot at the end will be the winner and then we'll contact that person and get it out. Now, I was looking through the backend settings today. I can't see people's YouTube profile name if they've hidden it.

00:03:15.15
Russell Gibson
So if you do want to be in the competition, unfortunately you do have to you know make it visible.

00:03:15.16
Adz
Yep.

00:03:18.52
Adz
Tell us your name basically. You need to let us know that you subscribed and it's not, yeah.

00:03:20.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So they have subscribed, but they can be secret. So look, I've don't really know how that sort of stuff works.

00:03:26.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:27.41
Russell Gibson
But anyway, that's like one thing just to sort of keep ah in mind. The price is going to be revolution hobby 2223. We purchased that from the lads at fast break trading cards.

00:03:38.37
Russell Gibson
Bit of a quick shout out to the lads here. If you are looking for sealed stock, they are the absolute go to in Melbourne or they're online.

00:03:41.84
Adz
For sure.

00:03:45.69
Russell Gibson
So, you know, in Australia. I think without much further ado, add we just get to it. What do you reckon?

00:03:51.64
Adz
Let's get stuck into it, yeah, it's we've got a lot to go through today.

00:03:52.84
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:03:55.26
Russell Gibson
So this is a interview that was recorded at the Hobby Hangout now two weeks ago with Philippa. So we're going to listen to that now.

00:10:35.20
Russell Gibson
All righty, that was awesome.

00:10:36.84
Adz
Yeah, that was great.

00:10:40.60
Adz
You're gonna... What was I saying? You didn't start playing it again, did you?

00:10:43.51
Russell Gibson
I did.

00:10:44.19
Adz
Oh. You can listen to it twice if you want. I don't know. Maybe we'll link we'll we'll play it the second time later on.

00:10:51.28
Russell Gibson
It's all right. I'll be able to fix that up in the post edit.

00:10:56.32
Russell Gibson
All righty.

00:10:56.44
Adz
and that was a really That was a really good interview.

00:10:59.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think Philippa is really well-spoken, very thoughtful. And I've written down a list of things that I wanted to mention to you, but I'll let you have the first stab. What was your opening thoughts about that interview with Philippa?

00:11:11.37
Adz
Yeah, look, I mean, I mean, the you guys already touched on it in the interview. I think it's disappointing. We're in the year 2024 and we've still got idiots being inappropriate in streams.

00:11:24.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:24.54
Adz
I mean, the most inappropriate we get is Anthony Mill coming in and saying that Luca Doncic is a good investment. So I would, yeah, I mean, I can't imagine anyone wanting us to take our tops down, but it's just,

00:11:31.45
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:11:37.77
Adz
Um, yeah, look, I just, you're right. There's no place for it. And, and, and I'm glad it sort of Philip has persevered and gone through that.

00:11:50.52
Adz
and And she said that used to be what it was. So I'd like to hope that's, that's changed.

00:11:53.12
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:11:55.62
Adz
Um, even though you do get the odd idiot, cause there are idiots in the world.

00:11:59.73
Russell Gibson
I think, I think that's an unfortunate part of the internet. There's so many amazing things that intimate internet can do for you in terms of delivering content, connecting you with people, but it's also an avenue for people to be online trolls.

00:12:08.63
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:12:12.33
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:12:13.50
Russell Gibson
And I also think too is an avenue for people to say things that they would never say to someone's face.

00:12:19.43
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:12:20.45
Russell Gibson
It's this strange dichotomy of behavior that

00:12:22.19
Adz
The keyboard warriors!

00:12:24.22
Russell Gibson
You have like your online persona and then you have your, you know, your real world persona. It's this really weird sort of thing of how you can sort of behave. So I think that's really interesting.

00:12:31.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:32.67
Russell Gibson
But look, it's also a fine line too, because the reality is. There are content creators out there that that is actually their shtick of literally stripping off their clothes and holding Pokemon cards.

00:12:41.16
Adz
That's the, that is, that's the foundation of their business.

00:12:46.47
Russell Gibson
So, you know, I can also see how there could be some bleed out into other areas, but then that just puts it down to people being able to read the room. Right. And so.

00:12:56.42
Adz
Well, there's one thing if you would expect for anyone in a live stream, uh, is simple, just be respectful.

00:13:02.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:02.27
Adz
And that's one of the rules in most live chats.

00:13:05.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:06.40
Adz
Just don't be in a hole and be.

00:13:08.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

00:13:09.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:11.19
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm i'm pretty lucky of the group that I managed are very kind to me, actually. And I feel like they sort of they know my idiosyncrasies and, and the mistakes that I make, and you know, i'm I'm pretty consistent in that way.

00:13:16.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:20.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:24.42
Russell Gibson
And so they're, you know, they don't give me a lot of crap.

00:13:24.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:27.18
Russell Gibson
I've had some people over the years that come into the group and give me a hard time, but it's very, very, very few and far between.

00:13:29.30
Adz
yeah

00:13:33.25
Russell Gibson
So I've been really lucky that way.

00:13:33.92
Adz
But um i i I do understand her her her pain. Most of my friends don't understand basketball cards at all. They know I talk about them a lot.

00:13:41.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's so true.

00:13:42.97
Adz
um But it's like, you've got your podcast, that's your outlet.

00:13:43.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:46.06
Adz
You could let people that actually want to listen to you talk about them.

00:13:46.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:49.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I love the part she spoke about education. I think that's a really good place to start for people.

00:13:54.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:56.02
Russell Gibson
And that part she spoke about too about buying off a collector instead of buying off a flipper. I think that is so true. You know, when someone's organic and you know, when somebody is in it for the right reasons, as opposed to just, you know, making out a margin, I think that's a really good

00:14:03.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:06.34
Adz
Mm hmm. Yeah.

00:14:10.32
Russell Gibson
And we talk about that in some offline group chats about some store owners that, you know, don't own basketball cards, but are selling basketball cards and all how that sort of plays out in the perception of that too.

00:14:19.95
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:14:20.13
Russell Gibson
And it is a really interesting, you know, thought bubble for that.

00:14:25.00
Adz
I think the term there is especially obviously there's the the story behind the card if you the cards going to a good home and you're buying and selling from collect with collectors.

00:14:32.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:34.19
Adz
um But you're also, if you're buying off a collector or selling to a collector, you're still you're you're literally investing in the hobby.

00:14:43.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:45.16
Adz
Like you're keeping you're keeping the money in the hobby. so And I think that's a good thing. But yeah, let's go back to education. I think i think that's amazing.

00:14:51.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:53.88
Adz
um Teaching the younger generation to look after their cards is is really important.

00:15:00.53
Russell Gibson
And it's a very broad term, too, because I think you could almost consider our podcast to be educational.

00:15:06.10
Adz
For sure.

00:15:06.94
Russell Gibson
You know, we talk about all different facets of it and some of it's absolute nonsense and some of it is stupid, and but some of it sticks and some of it's logical.

00:15:09.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:14.44
Russell Gibson
So and I think that's where she's getting to with that.

00:15:15.12
Adz
yeah yeah

00:15:16.86
Russell Gibson
And I think that's very true.

00:15:19.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:19.12
Russell Gibson
the showbag i actually purchased one of those for my kids so it was really good value actually it was really good value so i just went and got one i'm very happy with it think again she put a lot of thought into that you know it's very purposeful for you know young collectors and you know it's perfect for my kids so

00:15:22.31
Adz
Nice.

00:15:28.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:36.03
Adz
Perfect. And that's awesome.

00:15:37.75
Russell Gibson
The group chat thing was really good too. And I think, you know, Matthew Payne spoke about that. It's exactly the same word for word, what Maddy Payne was saying about the socialization, the support, the divorce, the, you know, the on and on. I think it's, it's a very personal thing that people do develop. So.

00:15:52.93
Adz
the The hobby, the the biggest thing, and and I asked this a lot over that weekend, or pose the question ah in and around the hobby hangout, and it's become one of my favorite new questions.

00:16:03.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:03.64
Adz
Because we like we if someone's in the hobby, we know they've they've got in, right? like Everyone's got their origin story, and don't get me wrong, I love a good origin story about buying your first pack of cards and hitting the the first big hit you ever got.

00:16:12.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:17.88
Adz
But the what is keeping you in the hobby the The resounding um message I got from that was the people.

00:16:28.33
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah.

00:16:29.00
Adz
The people, the community that's built in the hobby. And um yeah, like catching up with people at at the hobby hangout was a perfect example.

00:16:37.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:16:38.70
Adz
And and the friendships that are formed and those close bonds, which is really, really important. And I think very important part of what we do and why we're still here.

00:16:51.05
Russell Gibson
Amen. Alrighty, let's take a break, Adam. Let's get to a commercial break is what I really should have said. Fastbreaktradingcards.com, check them out right now, as in right now. They have their Black Friday sale still going. Automatically discounted by... This is going to check my maths. Everything is discounted by 10% currently.

00:17:17.29
Russell Gibson
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00:17:44.60
Russell Gibson
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00:18:00.07
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how are you feeling buddy?

00:18:02.89
Adz
I am feeling incredibly, incredibly refreshed.

00:18:07.46
Russell Gibson
Relaxed?

00:18:08.28
Adz
I am, I'm relaxed, it's ah it's good. i actually I actually had a bit of ah an afterthought, because you remember how we were talking about our our um YouTube promotion. I'm gonna do some inception right now for those playing at home.

00:18:20.30
Russell Gibson
Oof.

00:18:21.24
Adz
Ready ready for this, I'm gonna, oh wait, oh God, forgot the right screen set up.

00:18:28.20
Adz
to to I was gonna show everyone our YouTube channel. Like while we're live on YouTube, it's like, it feels like inception.

00:18:35.81
Russell Gibson
Well, how about while you're getting that set up, I will start introducing the next segment.

00:18:41.05
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Cause yeah, you've got, you've got, it's a big one coming, isn't it?

00:18:44.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well, relatively.

00:18:47.22
Adz
Come on, there was a play on words there. That was funny.

00:18:54.64
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, the next segment is actually something that we leveraged from a show a couple of weeks back. We said, oh, wouldn't it be good if we did a Yo-Kick versus Wembley? So here it is. I sat down. I found all the stats. I found all the statistics. It's all in a platter in front of us. So I think the first thing we should start off with is just looking at the aesthetics of the card. Adam, which would you pick just for the pure aesthetics?

00:19:20.53
Adz
Oh, are we going on aesthetics with Jokic?

00:19:22.63
Russell Gibson
We're gonna go through the whole lot, mate. We're gonna- the whole lot. Look, I have to admit, I like the wimpy too.

00:19:25.69
Adz
I'm taking the wimpy.

00:19:28.51
Russell Gibson
I know people absolutely shit on this card when it first came out with the the black coat at the back, but I liked it.

00:19:28.60
Adz
I'm taking wimpy.

00:19:36.87
Russell Gibson
I thought it's-

00:19:36.92
Adz
I think it's more the template that we share that we're um that we're we're not overly happy with.

00:19:42.11
Russell Gibson
I think the design is cool. I really like it.

00:19:45.05
Adz
Really?

00:19:45.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah, honestly.

00:19:46.29
Adz
Like, I don't know. the It's early, it felt it. And then we see saw what Topps brought. So this is amazing.

00:19:52.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's alright. Are you joking?

00:19:53.90
Adz
So yeah, you're right. After seeing what Topps rolled out, that's um that Curtin idea, amazing.

00:20:02.53
Russell Gibson
Anyway, so all right, that's done. All righty, statistics for this season, 23 points a game, 10 rebounds, three assists. 47% from the field is Wambi. Now listen to this, it's just insane. 29.7 points, 13 rebounds and 10.6 assists at 56% from the field. So that's the Nicole Yochik. It's just unbelievable the way this guy's playing in.

00:20:26.46
Russell Gibson
There's a little bit of a thought in my head at the start of the year that he wasn't going to be playing that well this year and maybe he's getting old and over the hill and he's going to slow down, but he's just an absolute machine.

00:20:37.04
Russell Gibson
I just can't get over how good at basketball this guy is. All right, so I think the numbers conversation, we don't need to really discuss that, do we? It's Yokee Quinn.

00:20:46.54
Adz
No.

00:20:47.81
Russell Gibson
Yokee Quinn's out, right? That's done, isn't it?

00:20:49.99
Adz
The numbers, yeah. I think Gokic is where it's at.

00:20:53.43
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, if you turn over to the next image there, you will find...

00:20:57.29
Adz
Yes, let's...

00:20:59.79
Russell Gibson
I left the name plates at the top and then I just broke up the pictures because...

00:21:03.04
Adz
That's pretty cool. I like the way you you you've laid out that info.

00:21:07.23
Russell Gibson
Thank you, sir.

00:21:07.58
Adz
That's great.

00:21:08.27
Russell Gibson
Photoshop is amazing. It's really not me. I can't take the credit for it, you know.

00:21:12.30
Adz
I like it. I still like the layout. I like the PSA.

00:21:16.20
Russell Gibson
What I did make really big on that is the population because that was really the piece of information that I wanted to highlight the most from this particular slide.

00:21:23.69
Adz
Well, you know you know what's not really big? The population of the Joker's PSA tents, yeah.

00:21:29.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's insane. So again, if we're putting this, you know, one versus one, Yokee Quince is absolutely hands down. So a population on this is 178 on the PSA 10 silver. On the Wembley, it's already up to 3,942. Hey, can you remind me my take on this that did I say there was going to be 10,000 silver PSA 10s graded or did I say there was going to be 10,000 silver PSA 10s graded?

00:22:00.64
Adz
Ooh.

00:22:01.89
Russell Gibson
I need to go back and listen to that episode again to.

00:22:04.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:05.66
Russell Gibson
So if anyone's listening at home and casually remember what I'm talking about here and send me a message and say, because either way, I'm actually feeling pretty confident right now that this 10 is going to get to 10,000.

00:22:07.70
Adz
You might be, you might be right. Yeah.

00:22:18.64
Russell Gibson
It's just absolutely insane how many of these have been graded.

00:22:20.93
Adz
There's a lot of them, isn't there?

00:22:22.88
Russell Gibson
Now, if you're looking at the two graphs here, you've got one that's obviously trending downwards and I wouldn't call it trending downward hard, but it's definitely in the opposite direction to what the Yokek's going, the Yokek.

00:22:36.88
Russell Gibson
Obviously, they're two polar opposites. You know, Yokek was the second round pick, Wembley was the number one pick, so you get all the hype that's associated with that. You know, Yokek had no hype at all.

00:22:43.63
Adz
Yeah. Jörgage was picked in the middle of a Taco Bell ad.

00:22:49.23
Russell Gibson
literally.

00:22:50.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:50.58
Russell Gibson
And he was probably eating Taco Bell at the time too.

00:22:52.99
Adz
Let's be fair, it probably was.

00:22:54.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So you can see where Yokek spiked up, you know, really hard and we don't need to tell everyone at home but what that was all about, but that's COVID there.

00:22:58.75
Adz
Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:23:03.47
Russell Gibson
And then after that, it's really been up and down. Like it's really been up and down a lot. And I was talking about this card last year saying, you know, this is the card to buy and then it went up and then it went down I sort of got cold feet and then I wasn't really too sure but the way he's playing at the moment and it's actually still technically trickling down a little bit at the moment but I don't really understand the true reason for that just with a low population how well he's playing the three MVPs it's just a little bit head scratching at the moment for me so all right let's

00:23:38.22
Adz
The way he just goes to work and just...

00:23:43.86
Adz
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. what can i Can I make a point on the Wembley side?

00:23:48.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, man, go.

00:23:49.63
Adz
On Wembley, now we were talking about this the other week when we were talking about Luca. Is that just an example of the hype tax in action?

00:24:00.18
Russell Gibson
Just flesh that out a bit more because I'm not 100% sure I'm with you.

00:24:02.05
Adz
So when we were talking about um Luca the other week, we were so using Tatum as that steady guy that was always at that seven to $800 mark, right?

00:24:10.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:11.08
Adz
And my thought is Tatum and Luca are about the same except everyone's paying the hype on Luca as if he's already won. And that's where the the gap is.

00:24:20.86
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:24:21.60
Adz
Wembley came in and everyone lost their mind and bought that card for two and a half thousand dollars. Is this like year three or four Wembley prices? when he If he does fulfill the hype, if he lives up to the hype, that's where the card hits. Are the prices that it was going for early or did the pop just kill it?

00:24:45.43
Russell Gibson
The way I perceive this is that It was huge hype that came out around it. And then as that hype has died off, the sale price has come all the way down.

00:24:59.28
Adz
Hmm.

00:25:00.66
Russell Gibson
And then, yeah,

00:25:01.05
Adz
He settled in at that Luca price. it's Sorry, that's Haydom price. It's interesting.

00:25:05.68
Russell Gibson
which I think is a fine price, by the way, like considering, you know, what he's done and you look at his body type and the sort of the injury risk that I associate with that sort of super thin body.

00:25:11.26
Adz
Yep. Yeah. yeah

00:25:16.62
Russell Gibson
I think for me, really, it's the population. I think that's what's really going to hold this pricing back on this. Even if he's the next Michael Jordan, I still don't see this card ever being, you know, a really, really valuable card just because of how many I still think is going to be coming out to get graded.

00:25:24.18
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:33.60
Russell Gibson
Because if you're looking at the PSA grading number that's coming out each month, it's still when be, you know, leading the basketball charge.

00:25:37.65
Adz
Whimby whimby whimby whimby.

00:25:39.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:41.47
Adz
Okay.

00:25:43.99
Russell Gibson
So, look, I think at the end of the day, you know, the question is really, which is one would you buy? You know, would you buy three wenbies or would you have one yo-kick?

00:25:56.42
Adz
There's temptation with Wembley because of the price point at the moment, but the pop count difference, I just did it on the calculator, it's twenty two it's more than 22 times the pop count.

00:26:11.98
Adz
So why wouldn't you buy Jokic at that?

00:26:13.83
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:26:15.54
Adz
Like I think Jokic at the pop count of below of sub 200 with what he's already achieved, I think that that price point of less than 3K is a buy.

00:26:26.39
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:26:27.90
Adz
Um, yeah.

00:26:31.06
Russell Gibson
I get like the price tag of 2600 is high. So I get why people have stepped away from that or aren't trading on that.

00:26:35.72
Adz
Of course.

00:26:38.18
Russell Gibson
And it's also really interesting. Look how many sale points there are for the WMB.

00:26:44.93
Adz
Okay.

00:26:45.09
Russell Gibson
But it's just insane.

00:26:45.25
Adz
Yeah. Number of sales.

00:26:46.01
Russell Gibson
There's so many sale points there, you know, and I think.

00:26:47.17
Adz
I was only, and when he ate at the yokage, so he can't sell it too many times.

00:26:51.28
Russell Gibson
But if you want to like define liquid, like that is literally the definition of a liquid card.

00:26:54.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:55.77
Russell Gibson
like That thing is getting traded you know two or three times a day. So you know i think that I think that's good for the hobby.

00:26:59.30
Adz
yeah that's true that's true yeah we've seen we've seen stuff happen with jars ion etc etc yeah

00:27:01.49
Russell Gibson
I think having a card that's liquid and you know if it settles into a point where it's being traded healthily at that sort of $600 mark, you know I think that's totally fine. i just I think my word of warning here is just don't overpay for this card because the risk is it could bottom out you know quite badly.

00:27:19.38
Russell Gibson
And maybe that's the play you wait for it to. Yeah, you wait for it to bottom out and then, you you know, you pick up a couple. I think that's totally fine. Just a really quick update on Tatum. It's currently trading at 690. So it's actually higher than a Tatum still. Like that's nuts to me.

00:27:33.30
Adz
That's crazy.

00:27:34.26
Russell Gibson
that is crazy. all Alrighty, let's go to some listener feedback, and then we'll go to our next break add card.

00:27:40.84
Adz
um

00:27:42.77
Russell Gibson
I'm going to need you to help me this one that Ashian, but I'm sure that's a Pokemon reference or something like that that I'm missing.

00:27:48.19
Adz
ah

00:27:49.83
Russell Gibson
A scion. How do you say that?

00:27:51.53
Adz
let's ah Let's let's let's read it is. Yeah, I'd say a sign.

00:27:57.94
Russell Gibson
Okay, difficult to find as

00:27:59.43
Adz
could to be kardashian Could it Could it be actually just a play on words and be Kardashian?

00:28:04.97
Russell Gibson
Kardashian. Yeah, cool.

00:28:05.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:06.67
Russell Gibson
Well done. Difficult to find a silver PSA 10 your kick and who wants to sell it. Meanwhile, you can find a lot of Victor for sale. The pop will make it impossible to break 2000 again.

00:28:17.11
Russell Gibson
Yep. A hundred percent. I think that's actually a really good take and probably something that we should have said ourselves.

00:28:20.94
Adz
Hmm. Yeah.

00:28:25.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:27.59
Adz
Well, that was it. I think the pop count's a huge thing with these silvers and I think it's undervalued.

00:28:31.01
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:28:32.33
Adz
I did point out 22 times the pop count.

00:28:35.30
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:28:37.27
Adz
It's 22 point something times 178 to get to that 3942.

00:28:42.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:43.01
Adz
It's crazy.

00:28:43.34
Russell Gibson
This is from Twitter at Josh Eberle and he's a Canadian. So thank you so much, Josh, for contributing. Glad Joakim's value was starting to match his historic hold on the game. Yeah.

00:28:54.24
Russell Gibson
And that's really where Joakim is moving towards.

00:28:55.17
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:28:56.16
Russell Gibson
Isn't it like an historic old timer? He's absolutely nailed that too. I could not agree with that more.

00:29:01.63
Adz
Yep. Yeah, I agree.

00:29:02.52
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Anthony Milne on Facebook, investment wise, if Webby stays and plays in the m NBA for 10 years or more, Webby will be a better investment personally. And team team achievements are yet to come in the equation. With Yogeek has achieved three MVPs and a ring, still not popular choice for investment if that answers anything. Look at Kobe Durant's and Giannis' cards, only certain cards will do well. And I think that's the key to invest in the hobby, knowing which cards and the timing. So my take on that is that Anthony thinks because the card is only $700, it can go upwards. And he's putting the whammy into the same conversations like an MJ, a Kobe, like the really true, like liquid guys.

00:29:45.46
Adz
if it's why if he If he is one of those liquid guys, it will always be traded, right?

00:29:50.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I don't think because a card is liquid,

00:29:53.22
Adz
I think i think he's low ah think he's low on the superstar status of Jokic though.

00:30:01.68
Russell Gibson
I get what he's saying though.

00:30:01.72
Adz
cause you Look, he's made the point. He's won three MVPs and a chip.

00:30:05.34
Russell Gibson
And still no one cares.

00:30:05.48
Adz
And what's it done? Yeah.

00:30:06.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:10.11
Adz
I don't know, after he gets his fifth MVP, they might. because it feels like he's just gonna keep doing it, right?

00:30:19.49
Russell Gibson
I think my concern was that he was going to be coming in out of shape and not being motivated to play basketball, but then he comes and does this ridiculous, you know, stuff, what he's doing now.

00:30:26.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:27.14
Russell Gibson
He's literally just a machine. So I don't know. That really changes my mindset. I'm not going to lie to you.

00:30:32.22
Adz
Hmm.

00:30:32.61
Russell Gibson
The last comment is from Amir. Hello, Amir. I hope you're well. We think alike for us. Now he's reading my mind. See, the funny thing is I'm pretty sure Amir's a wimpy guy, whereas I'm a actually not a hundred percent if Amir is reading my mind.

00:30:46.43
Adz
I'm not sure if you do it, you are in a, yeah.

00:30:48.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:49.72
Adz
Maybe you've changed his mind. This is like, this is next level inception stuff.

00:30:55.49
Russell Gibson
Speaking of inception, have you sorted out the YouTube for everyone?

00:30:59.57
Adz
I do, I do. I popped it up on the screen just before.

00:31:04.05
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:31:04.41
Adz
So I can, where are we? Yeah, there we go. Nice, um yeah, the layout the layout's nice and good. It's actually got us as live on the um on the page.

00:31:16.26
Adz
and Zoom in. Live now is us. And then if you go down, you've got some of the episode highlights that I've um ah popped in there, including my lovely eBay nightmare. um ah Interviews with like Tyson Beck with Lane, ah Robert sta Steinfeld, our interview with Mike Gio, that was cool.

00:31:37.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool.

00:31:38.21
Adz
um And then you've got the full episode catalog plus a bunch of shorts that we That we post up every week. So there's lots in there. Hopefully those are Hope we can get to that 150 mark and give away that box nice and soon Yeah

00:31:53.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we'll get there. Alrighty, it's time for us to go to an ad break. Now, we need to unfortunately say goodbye to our friends at the hobby hangout. Our mutually benefiting agreement has ended.

00:32:08.14
Russell Gibson
But we do have a little bit of news. As of next week, we will have the Melbourne Cartel supporting the show. So huge thank you to Darren.

00:32:16.90
Adz
Nice.

00:32:17.06
Russell Gibson
We're just ironing out the last couple of details, but that will start next week.

00:32:20.95
Adz
Awesome.

00:32:21.98
Russell Gibson
Thank you to the guys at the Hobby Hangout and our next ad break will be brought to you by US Sports Cards Australia. Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. You will find a beautiful black and gray looking website for you. We've spruced commsier a million times. Let's do something different today. Let's go to the memorabilia page. Roscoe has got up a Steve Francis autographed jersey for $90 AUD.

00:32:51.87
Russell Gibson
If you scroll down a little bit, he's got a soccer hit parade jersey up there for 604. I actually don't know if that's a good or a bad price. And then moving down to the bottom, we've got the TriStar Hidden Treasures Autographed Basketball Jersey that has the potential of Kobe Bryant, Giannis, Yochik, Paul Pierce, Kevin Durant.

00:33:11.31
Russell Gibson
Dwayne Wade, Donovan Mitchell, Anthony Edwards. That's got a Wembley, a Ventura on it. That's a huge lineup. So absolute packed with potential golden hits in there. Then going to Roscoe's sealed section, he has got Court Kings International Blasters there for $259. So if you are blank slate chasing, head over to that, select 2324 for $1,299.

00:33:39.21
Russell Gibson
I think that will probably just about do us one of that. Thank you so much to US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing support. We really appreciate it.

00:33:52.45
Russell Gibson
All righty. Adam, we're back. How are you, buddy?

00:33:55.37
Adz
I'm great. I'm great. I was just flicking through the YouTube channel to see if there were any videos I might want to watch, but I'm good at the moment. It says we're live still.

00:34:04.77
Russell Gibson
Okay. I mean, that would be terrible if we're not live.

00:34:07.35
Adz
That's handy, isn't it? Yeah, it'd be bad if we weren't.

00:34:11.27
Russell Gibson
All righty. This next segment is actually a written piece. Now it's from Stefan Higo and Stefan, I hope I pronounced your name correctly. And Stefan has written this beautiful piece about the hobby hangout, his reflections. And so

00:34:27.77
Russell Gibson
One of the reasons why I got into podcasting is actually because I used to enjoy creative writing. And so I'm basically just too old and too lazy to do that these days. So instead of writing something every week, I just I do a podcast and craft ideas out of that. So I've actually been thinking about writing up a bit of an article very loosely for a while now and just haven't quite worked out what it's going to be. But and I thought if I did write something, I could read it out into the pod. So Stefan, honestly, you've inspired me to get my act together. I really love what you've done, mate. And we're going to read the whole thing out on the podcast. I messaged Stefan and he is very happy for us to to do this. He's one condition though is that we shouted out his Instagram, which we were already following him anyway. We already share his content, but I'm more than happy to shout it out on the show. Go to Instagram and check out the old school collector. He's got some really cool cards up there.

00:35:22.54
Russell Gibson
And um yeah, he puts a fair bit of time into it. So without any further ado, let's get to this. Melbourne hobby hangout review arriving at 11 30 a.m. I was greeted by a huge line of eager collectors froffing at the mouth as they swarmed into the Melbourne pavilion. The single line went for several blocks and arriving late, I joined the back, but must say entry staff did a good job and it moved pretty quickly. Upon entering the venue, two things were immediately apparent. The hobby is alive and well.

00:35:51.26
Russell Gibson
Love Emojis x 3. Applying deodorant before card shows remains optional. Crying emoji face.

00:36:00.96
Adz
Oh boy, all right, ill I'll take it from here. The atmosphere inside was electric. Like most collectors, I'm always keen to get in a quick lap to see what's around. The early crowd was so big that it was actually difficult to get close to some of the display cases. No doubt, some early bargains were had by some lucky collectors as there were noticeable gaps by the time I finally got around to some of the displays.

00:36:26.17
Russell Gibson
Well, well, sorry.

00:36:26.25
Adz
Well, um you can, you can go I was gonna do a second paragraph.

00:36:29.78
Russell Gibson
While purely a basketball collector, I must admit, I do appreciate looking at some high-end stuff from other sports, AFL soccer. I like that separate sections at this show were put together for Pokemon dealers, et cetera, which seems to work well for everybody.

00:36:42.52
Russell Gibson
I may even start collecting Pokemon one day. Well, go talk to Phillip or mate, that will be perfect.

00:36:48.42
Adz
From my observations, plenty of dealers were keen to buy and trade at this show. This obviously benefits the attendees selling and getting deals done. But the added benefit is that displays get updated with fresh new cards during the show.

00:37:02.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, which is true.

00:37:02.34
Adz
Huge huge respect to a couple of dealers that I watched purchasing cards from young kids Let's be real cards they probably didn't need.

00:37:11.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:11.55
Adz
um Absolute assets to the hobby you guys. Having said that, some of these kids can actually hustle with the best of them. So you were probably ripped off.

00:37:20.26
Russell Gibson
As a fan and collector of old-school NBA, it was great to see a couple of dealers with a few vintage basketball cards in their display cases. Something we don't see much of locally. One dealer even had a couple of graded 1961 Fleer singles.

00:37:33.92
Russell Gibson
If you know, you know.

00:37:35.14
Adz
I saw those.

00:37:35.29
Russell Gibson
i managed yeah I managed to pick up a nice cheap vintage Topps Dr. J card and should have bought a nice Topps Kareem too. If the seller is listening to this, please DM Stefan.

00:37:49.14
Adz
we've We've been well and truly spoilt for card shows in Melbourne in 2024, and after attending two Melbourne hobby hangouts and the recent odds national, I may be a little bit card show fatigued. But to me, this shows seem to be lacking some of the high-end fibre and real quality pieces that I've seen at previous shows.

00:38:10.34
Russell Gibson
One downside which I must mention was seeing the same overpriced cards on display from the same sellers, who had them on display at the same price as at both the previous Hobbie Hangout and Oz National. If it ain't selling there's a reason, drop the price as amigos. I get there is room to negotiate but when the starting price is way too inflated, most including myself won't even bother.

00:38:31.73
Adz
The barista setup at the front door was a nice touch, and I think the bar is a great addition at the hobby hangout. I didn't have a beer this time, but there is nothing better than strolling around on a Sunday afternoon with a stubby in hand and admiring sexy cardboard.

00:38:48.88
Russell Gibson
The food trucks as always were popular with hungry collectors smash burgers elite and let's be honest There is nothing worse than being in a car trip with no caffeine and an empty stomach. Yes card fare. I'm talking to you

00:39:01.48
Adz
ah The speaker setup is a little bit awkward in my opinion, really loud on the microphone and not many at the show seem to be listening, care or paying attention. Probably some worthwhile topics being discussed, tips for card grading was one, but in the middle of a busy show it's just background noise and probably needs to be done in a quieter area for people to be that are interested interested in the topics so they can be discussed.

00:39:25.79
Russell Gibson
yeah What I'd personally like to see at the show is more variety, dealers selling cards not already offered up online and unique to the show. This promotes benefits for the die-hard collectors who actually show up to these events, although I appreciate a attendance is difficult for those living in other areas.

00:39:41.85
Russell Gibson
I'd also like to see more variety in memorabilia, e.g. graded sports, illustrated magazines, signed photos, jerseys, posters, starting lineup figures, etc. The dealer selling mini Nike shoe keyrings in mini Nike boxes would have cleaned up. A perfect stocking stuffer for Christmas. Shout out to Jonno for the awesome t-shirts. I'll be wearing my Jordan rookie card t-shirt to the next show.

00:40:05.43
Adz
Apologies for the long read and I get that everyone is looking for different things at these shows but I thought I'd share my thoughts and personal experience. I do enjoy attending these card shows and one of the absolute best parts is getting to catch up with some great, genuine people in this hobby and meeting new people I've dealt with online. Just having a chat and having a laugh. Looking forward to the next one.

00:40:28.88
Russell Gibson
Look, just an amazing article. So thank you so much for that, Stefan. And what's your thoughts? a where Where are you at, man?

00:40:37.67
Adz
Um, I'm, I'm very much, um, yeah, I'm very, I'm very much, uh, in the same opinion. Like I think it's, it's great to have such good people in the hobby. Um, the fatigue thing I did, I did, uh, question. Cause we'd been to two hobby hangouts, we'd been to the national, um,

00:41:05.84
Adz
but I feel like there are some dealers out there that really take on board everything and have been have been listening and and sort of paying attention.

00:41:15.76
Adz
I don't know. there's a fear It seems like there's a split.

00:41:19.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, there's a ah lot in this article that I agree with. The only thing I disagree with is the deodorant part. I mean, if you put on deodorant and then you sweat through it because you're seeing all these amazing cards, like that's, um you can't help that, you know what I mean?

00:41:35.75
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly right.

00:41:39.11
Russell Gibson
So, um, you don't think I'll give people a pass on like, you know, I get what he's saying though. It it can be brutal at some points when you were like pretty clammed up together.

00:41:50.02
Adz
For sure, for sure.

00:41:51.54
Russell Gibson
The part about the negotiating, that's 100% true. There was a couple of cards I looked at and I checked comps on it and it was like triple. And I i just didn't even, I was like, what's the point? Like, what are you going to do? You're never going to negotiate to something that you'll be both happy with, right? So I 100% understand what he's saying on that. But from a dealer's perspective, I get that too. Like if you picked it up in the last couple of years and you might not want to take a $2,000 loss on it. So.

00:42:19.32
Adz
ah But what about rotating what you've got on display?

00:42:22.24
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:42:23.78
Adz
Like, there's got to be a happy medium somewhere, right?

00:42:25.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I actually saw something in a US card show where they're making, you know, ins Instagram content or whatever, and they were talking to the guy about that.

00:42:34.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:35.98
Russell Gibson
I think the question was, what's the biggest loss that, you know, you're going to take on a card?

00:42:40.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:40.92
Russell Gibson
And he paid, I can't remember what he paid for it. Let's just say he paid $8,000 for it. it's currently worth three thousand but he was saying I won't sell it for anything less than six and if it doesn't sell for less than six that's fine I'm gonna put it back into my briefcase and I'm gonna carry it around until it goes up and if it never goes up well then I've got this card forever and so maybe that's also people's perspective on that too you know I paid a thousand dollars for it the least I will take for it back is like 650 even if it's like a 300 dollar card now and you know what I'm gonna die with this card and so that could also be

00:42:58.01
Adz
Mm. Yeah.

00:43:14.49
Russell Gibson
people's perspectives on that. And you know, do you know what, that's like, that's totally fine. You know, so

00:43:19.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

00:43:23.00
Russell Gibson
The speakers bit, I actually agree with that 100%.

00:43:26.09
Adz
Mm.

00:43:26.64
Russell Gibson
I think it's really difficult to consume the content that they put forward. And, you know, I don't think this is privileged what I'm about to say, but I think the content they put up on the stage is really good.

00:43:39.45
Russell Gibson
But the issue is, is being able to sit down and listen to it. and I think it makes it really, really difficult.

00:43:44.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:45.78
Russell Gibson
And so if they could work that out in some way, you know, I think it's really, it's really easy as someone like me, it's just sitting back, you know, just on a podcast saying this, but if there was like a breakout room or a ah small lounge area or something that was relatively noise insulated, we could sit down, have a drink or eat your dinner and listening to someone on the stage with that and sort of being like away from the hobby hangout. Do you know what I mean? ah

00:44:14.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. um

00:44:18.17
Russell Gibson
Because actually I think the content they put on the stage is really good, but it's just almost impossible to consume.

00:44:22.76
Adz
It's been the point of it.

00:44:23.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:24.27
Adz
yeah It's just not you you can't.

00:44:28.95
Adz
It's hard to concentrate on it.

00:44:30.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:30.58
Adz
Even it's ah if it's a super interesting topic, because you're right in the middle of everybody trying to look and it's that busy spot.

00:44:37.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And there's a sound guy there too. They've actually got someone there like mixing the sound and, you know, putting on like DJ music.

00:44:43.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:43.98
Russell Gibson
So it's not like that's even an issue per se where they've just got like some crappy speaker there and just someone holding a microphone that's got all this feedback in it.

00:44:45.27
Adz
completely agree.

00:44:51.46
Russell Gibson
Like it's actually, the sound is good.

00:44:53.06
Adz
Yeah, legit.

00:44:54.37
Russell Gibson
That's not really the issue. It's just the whole sort of set up of it. So anyway, uh, and the variety bit, look, I get what he's saying on that, but I think that's also just the size of our ah population and, you know, and how that sort of works and.

00:45:04.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:08.70
Adz
That's sort of out of our control, I guess.

00:45:10.55
Russell Gibson
Well, I was just going to say, I think that's going to change over time because it's growing and we're seeing the growth now. We're seeing more and more tables come out and you spoke.

00:45:18.36
Adz
Is less is more though, like, do you know what I mean? Like, do we need three, four shows in a year?

00:45:23.98
Russell Gibson
No, I think the shows are going to get bigger.

00:45:24.04
Adz
Or should we?

00:45:25.42
Russell Gibson
and Yeah.

00:45:26.76
Adz
But do we do two big shows in a year, one hobby hanging at one national?

00:45:31.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:31.63
Adz
Does that work out as a bigger event rather than every three months there being a show?

00:45:38.66
Russell Gibson
No, I think the demand is there.

00:45:40.75
Adz
Okay.

00:45:41.44
Russell Gibson
And I think if you put the shows on, people go to them. You know, I think people enjoy this stuff, mate. I think we've already touched on that with the socialization part. Like people really enjoy, you know, even if you're not picking up a monster, you still go in there and you're having a good time.

00:45:49.46
Adz
For sure, for sure, for sure.

00:45:54.96
Russell Gibson
So I think if you build it, that will come. I think that's not an issue, but I think um Matthew Payne spoke about this on his interview. He was saying that they're doing some, I can't remember what exactly what it was. It's like a comic book convention plus this plus that.

00:46:07.61
Russell Gibson
So it's going to be sneakers plus

00:46:09.39
Adz
Oh, there's a big one at the exhibition center that's coming in in the middle of next year, I think, yeah.

00:46:12.10
Russell Gibson
Right. Exactly right. Yeah. So, you know, and that sort of touches on that a little bit, doesn't extend, you get all that signed memorabilia, you get, you know, this and that. And look, comics of, you know, graded comics, I think is very niche at the moment.

00:46:24.18
Russell Gibson
But I think that is definitely growing and, you know, people are sending them off.

00:46:26.94
Adz
um

00:46:28.11
Russell Gibson
So I think that will come into the space a little bit more, too.

00:46:29.97
Adz
Plus what not there was live stuff going on.

00:46:30.63
Russell Gibson
So. Yeah.

00:46:32.29
Adz
Yeah, it was all yeah for sure.

00:46:33.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:34.23
Adz
Yeah That was a very well written pace I look forward to the next review Yeah, yeah, it was awesome

00:46:35.27
Russell Gibson
All right. Final thoughts, man.

00:46:41.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Maybe you should do some writing professionally, Stefan, is that possible?

00:46:50.01
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, we actually don't have a sponsor for this next ad break. So we're just gonna sit here and have a drink at and we'll be right back.

00:46:57.57
Adz
Twiddle our thumbs.

00:46:58.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:10.39
Russell Gibson
Alrighty mate, the fourth and final segment is incoming.

00:47:14.25
Adz
The fourth and final installation of of the night's show.

00:47:17.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:47:19.97
Adz
Cool.

00:47:21.86
Russell Gibson
So would you like to talk about Repacks?

00:47:27.24
Adz
I mean, i I don't particularly like repacks, personally. Although actually, no, I do like repacks. I think there are some repackers that are better than others. How about that? Is that a good place to start?

00:47:43.80
Russell Gibson
Okay, let's take one step back. We went out and had fried chicken and got drunk after hobby hangout. And this was the most intelligent thing that we came up with was a whole piece about repacks.

00:47:56.17
Russell Gibson
I think that's where we should start.

00:47:57.13
Adz
We asked some questions, yeah, some questions were were were raised about Repacks. The first one was, what is their place in the hobby?

00:48:05.67
Russell Gibson
Sure. So let's start with that. what What do you think the place in the hobby is for repacks?

00:48:09.19
Adz
All right, so my thought with Repacks is, it's an opportunity to fill gaps within the market, right?

00:48:16.87
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:48:17.65
Adz
Obviously, we have a variety of price points. So, I'm gonna say variety of price points. You might be, if you don't want a pack of hoops for five bucks or a pack of Don Ras, what are your different options on that way up the ladder?

00:48:36.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:37.67
Adz
And I think repacks create a bit of excitement in in a certain price point space. And it's not just this the low end space, because oh I went to um the Melbourne Cartel,

00:48:54.46
Adz
and i and I grabbed a ah pack and I got an Aurora. It was really good. Like it was 25 or 30 bucks.

00:48:59.60
Russell Gibson
What was the buy-in for that repack?

00:49:02.75
Adz
Like it wasn't much. Like it was a good, it was ah it was ah good it's like a $30 repack I think, I think. um Yeah, I was just like, oh yeah, grab one of those, see what see what it's about. Pulled an Aurora, Trey Young I think it was.

00:49:15.55
Adz
um I think the the problem with the product is it's either Everything's loaded up so that the big the big money card at the top means that either 80% of people are gonna be disappointed. It's finding that balance, right? Because it's a costing exercise.

00:49:38.40
Adz
um

00:49:41.10
Adz
But they come there's gotta be this balance. There's gotta be some value for the consumer.

00:49:47.61
Adz
And the other problem I found, and this is a situation where I was about to buy a repack.

00:49:47.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:53.80
Adz
and the money card went at the hobby hangout. I was about to buy a $100 repack and the people that cut it, about what came from it were just going on and on and on. One finally went, all right, I'll grab one and got one. And he got the money card. And I'm like, well, um um I don't want the repack anymore. Literally. Like, bye.

00:50:17.02
Adz
Why would I want it if the big card's gone? But the big card's what everybody's there for. So how do you keep people invested in, in, in this space. Like, it's got to be a win-win. There's got to be a balance. I think there is a, I think there's a place for them in the hobby. And I think my point and the question I posed, uh, in the, in the run sheet, when, when I, I think it was the next day I, I sobered up a little bit and and phrased it as best I could. Um, do repackers need to evolve?

00:50:51.00
Adz
I think that,

00:50:51.14
Russell Gibson
So what do you mean by that? Just flesh that out just a bit more.

00:50:53.95
Adz
um I think one of the the the things at the Hobby Hangout we noticed were that people were going a people had gone a bit cold on repacks.

00:51:06.30
Adz
Not a lot, like people were obviously still buying them, but there was there was a little bit of ah a lull. There were people with a lot of repackers with packs left.

00:51:15.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:16.14
Adz
and And it seemed like people weren't weren't as keen to buy.

00:51:20.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So let me just really quickly touch on that for a second. So I think there was a lot more people selling repacks there. So there could be an argument made that actually a lot of repacks were sold, but there was some leftover because there's more repackers with product.

00:51:28.77
Adz
Increase in supply.

00:51:39.34
Russell Gibson
And then my perception also too, is that The ones who have been around for a little bit more, so let's say Card Fever, for an example, and and Cherry, and let's even use Melbourne Card Cartel, they're also getting a lot more established.

00:51:51.73
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:53.22
Russell Gibson
I think also the volume in their products is also increasing too.

00:51:54.36
Adz
Yep.

00:51:57.39
Russell Gibson
And I don't know what the numbers are. That's just an observation that I made. But so it doesn't surprise me that then they do have some left at the end of the day.

00:52:01.44
Adz
Hmm.

00:52:06.66
Russell Gibson
And I don't think that means that the market is soft or anything like that. I just think that that means there's a lot more for people to choose from and to buy from. So yeah. Sorry, mate.

00:52:15.99
Adz
Yeah, okay.

00:52:16.30
Russell Gibson
I interrupted you. Please continue.

00:52:17.35
Adz
that so So the thing about evolution is if there's a lull, or there are more people wanting to

00:52:18.01
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:52:28.57
Adz
ah be part of the the repack side of things, then then then what do they need to do differently to draw the crowd in? like what what's the one What's one of the ways I can attract more people or keep the thrill of the chase even once the money card's gone?

00:52:50.87
Russell Gibson
So typically competition is a good thing. And I think more people doing repacks is actually good in my opinion. I think this is good for the hobby. I don't think it's a bad thing.

00:53:00.66
Adz
Yep. And I think the hobby itself speaks volumes about when they give feedback.

00:53:05.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think for me, how do you get people in? I think transparency is a really good thing. So showing what the top hits are, checklists are.

00:53:13.31
Adz
Checklists. Yep.

00:53:16.33
Russell Gibson
and all the cards all the way through. I actually think that's what should be done in a repack. And the other thing, that is my opinion.

00:53:23.10
Adz
Full, a full checklist. Yep.

00:53:27.23
Russell Gibson
And the other thing too is then, for example, you should say there's a hundred in this set. Well, there's 50 in this set or there's 200.

00:53:35.55
Adz
Hmm I Have a follow-up question to that Do you think different repacks price points Should have different Expectations is expectations the right word probably

00:53:36.28
Russell Gibson
Because I feel like that way, that really closes off a lot of questions around transparencies and honesty and not return on investment. Yep.

00:54:02.57
Russell Gibson
So I think if you're spending on a $30 repack, well then if you get an Aurora back, I'm totally fine with that.

00:54:09.83
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:10.10
Russell Gibson
If you spend $100, um Maybe an Aurora would be, say, a middling card. And if you spend $500, you might say, well, actually, an Aurora is like the worst card you could get out of it.

00:54:15.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:20.80
Russell Gibson
So that would be the way I would say in terms of expectations.

00:54:21.69
Adz
yeah Yeah. Yeah. Cause obviously with the higher end repacks and this is, and this is probably where a lot of the discussion started where it's the, where does it feel bad? The worst.

00:54:34.30
Adz
So if I'm spending $30 on a repack, you know what? If I end up with a $5 card, I'm probably not upset.

00:54:40.56
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:54:41.09
Adz
I've lost 25, like $25 value, God, I could've just bought this for $5, whatever, right?

00:54:46.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:47.32
Adz
But it scales. If I'm spending $100 and I get a $40 card, I'm like, I've just lost $60 of value. If I've bought a $300 repack and I pull a $60 card, I would be furious.

00:55:06.23
Adz
So the question I get is, where's the what point at what point doesn't it feel infuriating to pull a dud?

00:55:15.53
Russell Gibson
I think that's a really,

00:55:15.58
Adz
Because yeah yeah i and I understand there's got to be a balanced thing and it's a but it's a personal thing.

00:55:20.58
Russell Gibson
It's a really personal thing, and I think that it really does depend on the way you perceive loss, and the way that you handle loss, and also to budget. If I can be honest with you, I really think it comes back to that too, with how much you can stomach losing before, you know, you don't feel happy about it, right?

00:55:32.93
Adz
True.

00:55:36.34
Adz
Hmm.

00:55:37.59
Russell Gibson
but

00:55:38.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:38.54
Russell Gibson
I think we probably at this point of the conversation, I've sort of been waiting to thread this in. I think really where repacks came all about is because obviously people have got a lot more cards on their hands because, you know, people are being going to breaks and buying singles and stuff.

00:55:51.79
Russell Gibson
But it also came about too is because the return on box breaks, particularly during COVID was so terrible that even if you put together a crappy repack, it was still better than anything that Panini was releasing.

00:56:00.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:04.08
Russell Gibson
And so I think that's, you know, part of the of the conversation you need to have too, it's like, okay, so if you skunk in a break, you're probably going to get nothing or a couple of base cards. But if you get a bad card in a repack, you can actually make the argument it's still better than anything you're going to get into a break.

00:56:22.12
Russell Gibson
And so you can also have that mindset a little bit too of, you know, it's,

00:56:23.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:30.09
Russell Gibson
It can be really difficult going into breaks and going into repacks and expecting to get something back from it. and And this is probably leading into my next part. If I can be honest with you, a major reason why I go into breaks and repacks is sometimes due to laziness.

00:56:45.49
Adz
Hi, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:56:47.01
Russell Gibson
I can't find the card that I want. I can't find something in my price bracket that I'm happy to spend, but I've got 50 bucks to spend and I want to spend it on cards and I you know i want to jump into something.

00:56:58.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah for sure.

00:56:59.40
Russell Gibson
Okay. I'll take that $50. I can go into noir. Okay. I got nothing back, but I didn't have to think about it too much. I've had a bit of, you know, fun. Okay. I've got 50 bucks or in the case you use $30.

00:57:10.85
Russell Gibson
Okay. Here's my repack and I'll have a go into that. And I think if I'm being like really brutally honest about the way sometimes I look at the hobby and the way that I'm playing the game sort of per se, I think it does come down to how much money do you want to spend and lose?

00:57:26.18
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean?

00:57:27.06
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Well, there's the gambling, there's the gambling aspects.

00:57:27.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah, without doing too much work, man. Yeah.

00:57:30.90
Adz
Agreed, agreed.

00:57:30.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But finding the card you want some.

00:57:32.58
Adz
Anthony Milner's made a comment about it in the chat.

00:57:35.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Yep.

00:57:36.09
Adz
So he's gone live repacks don't work either, because there's a limit on the availability and it's revealed on the day. I reckon if it's live, it's got to be a lucky dip system. And I'm like, well, is that is that what what repacks are?

00:57:46.97
Adz
They're sort of like a lucky dip.

00:57:48.70
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

00:57:49.71
Adz
um But it's it's the question, and I think it it circles back to the, I wanna know if I'm in a lucky dip and i've and you're not telling me the the the print run of the of the of the repack I'm going into, you're telling you're showing me a board with 10 cards. Did you pack 500 or did you pack 50?

00:58:13.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. And I think that does make a massive difference.

00:58:15.47
Adz
Yeah, yeah. like it's I want to know the odds of the the gamble I'm taking.

00:58:20.10
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:58:20.48
Adz
Because it is it is it is a lucky dip. It's a random thing. And you're right, Russell. like I don't disagree at all. like You need to be prepared to lose when you go into a lucky dip.

00:58:32.07
Russell Gibson
Definitely.

00:58:32.15
Adz
You might skunk.

00:58:34.26
Russell Gibson
Well, I would say you're more likely to lose man, you know?

00:58:34.45
Adz
um But I think you need to know you need to know what your you need to know what you what you're buying, like what type of repack.

00:58:38.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:41.39
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:58:42.20
Adz
Because not all repacks are built the same. is is probably the the point I make with regards to summer fine.

00:58:49.76
Russell Gibson
Definitely.

00:58:50.74
Adz
And you go, yeah, it's whatever, it's pulling you out of your 50 bucks, let's see what I get. And you pull a dud card, go, oh, well, or you pull $100 card and go, yeah, look at that, I got a good card.

00:59:00.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:01.81
Adz
um But yeah as far as those, I think the fun, especially with the the all the young people we were seeing, the young families and stuff at the hobby hangout, I think those um lower price point repacks, I would...

00:59:21.23
Adz
I don't know, i would i would I would have it as some some way for the the younger enthusiast to have a little bit of fun. And one of the points I made in in the little chat, just a ah thought piece, is could you imagine a repack that was, I don't know, a $25 repack, but in the release and the repacker was like, oh yeah, where we've got complete insert sets from like retro,

00:59:46.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Explain this to me a bit more, man, because i to be honest, I didn't really understand it.

00:59:50.16
Adz
So the idea would be, you seed in your repack series, like you get multiple cards. It'd have to be a multi-card repack, not where you get one single card.

01:00:01.73
Adz
But it would be, I don't know, if it's a five-card repack and you get one insert, three star players and a random hit, right? but However it's structured.

01:00:14.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:14.28
Adz
The inserts are actually made from complete sets of inserts and scattered through the repack release.

01:00:26.85
Adz
Now, having just one set might be a bit bad, but having a couple of sets of maybe, I don't know, not the Jordan series, but the the cheaper Scoring Kings sets.

01:00:39.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:39.72
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like some random 90s insert sets, the triple double set, the I don't know, some old hoops insert sets from the 90s or something.

01:00:49.90
Russell Gibson
I think at the right price point, that's fine. In the right repack.

01:00:53.30
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:54.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. I think that's a really cool idea.

01:00:55.79
Adz
These are like, my thought is I'm i'm targeting this at that that younger, that that that small, that low price point.

01:00:56.85
Russell Gibson
And then you could scale it as you go up, right? You could have a set of cabooms in more expensive ones.

01:01:08.49
Adz
If you're buying these, yeah, these ridiculously expensive ones, you're like, you know what, there's actually a set of something in here.

01:01:09.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:13.94
Russell Gibson
Yep. That's kind of cool.

01:01:15.62
Adz
And then, hell, could you imagine having a a willla one-touch, put it put a custom redemption in for a whole insert set?

01:01:15.74
Russell Gibson
I think that would be a pretty big repack though.

01:01:22.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:24.58
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Mix it up, do something different.

01:01:30.52
Russell Gibson
Look, I think that's a really fun conversation. I really think we could do this for another hour, but we're just about at the end of the show, so why don't we just really quickly change lanes?

01:01:39.58
Adz
Sure.

01:01:40.25
Russell Gibson
And let's talk about Franz Wagner, because this guy is insanely hot. Now, I'm not going to read off all of his stats for the last few games. Basically, he's been getting 28 points, 27, 23, 32, 29, 31, 32, on and on and on.

01:01:53.99
Russell Gibson
Rebounds wise, 8, 5, 4, 8, 3, 11, 5, 6, 6, again going crazy.

01:01:59.21
Adz
haes

01:01:59.87
Russell Gibson
ah assist wise 6 6 7 5 6 6 8 now check this out the magic of 1 11 of their last 12 games this is without Paulo Banchero so Franz Wagner is absolutely like killing it at the moment it's really exciting if you're a magic fan because now you're kind of like well what's it gonna be like when Banchero comes back we're gonna have this really big flexible 1-2 punch I'm not even a magic fan and I'm excited and so

01:02:25.58
Adz
He's... I think Orlando's about to take that OKC leap

01:02:29.42
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

01:02:29.58
Adz
Oh, they're taking it.

01:02:30.44
Russell Gibson
They are the OKC of the East.

01:02:31.16
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:31.72
Russell Gibson
We have said that on the show already. Now, this is also exciting. Franz Wagner, raw silver, 20 USD. You're looking for a little bit of value at the moment in the hobby.

01:02:43.95
Russell Gibson
We have laid it out to you on a platter.

01:02:46.01
Adz
You've just spelt it. It's spelled Franz Wagner.

01:02:49.42
Russell Gibson
What a delicious way to end today's show. What are your final thoughts, my friend?

01:02:53.27
Adz
My final thoughts are,

01:02:57.19
Adz
Now I wanna go out and get a Franz Wagner. like ah ah The rest of the episode's just blanked.

01:02:59.57
Russell Gibson
I think that's cool.

01:03:03.03
Adz
I'm feeling really good about about the hobby in general um after after this week.

01:03:06.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:07.56
Adz
The last couple of weeks, it's been really reinforced how how alive things are and had the the number of good people we have in the hobby.

01:03:12.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:17.82
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:03:19.52
Adz
So yeah, yeah. And thanks for the comments, Anthony, in the live YouTube.

01:03:28.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think we should leave it there. I feel like I've said everything I want to say today. There's nothing really on my mind that bit anticlimactic, isn't it really?

01:03:39.10
Adz
It is.

01:03:40.39
Russell Gibson
But I agree.

01:03:40.56
Adz
What do you think? Are you gonna go out and get a Franz Wagner as well? What do you do? Let's treat ourselves and go and get a Franz Wagner, PSA 10.

01:03:46.24
Russell Gibson
I think, look, I think it's a good buy, but ah yeah, I'm trying to stay away from prospects at the moment. I've got

01:03:55.26
Adz
Oh, there's no prospecting. He's gonna be the number two guy in Orlando. It's gonna be great.

01:04:01.14
Russell Gibson
I've just got hundreds of prospect cards added. I probably need to sell a few prospects before I buy more prospects.

01:04:06.52
Adz
Listeners, take note, when russell in any year's time, when Russell's like, I should have bought that, Franz Wagner.

01:04:11.70
Russell Gibson
ah Do you know what I'm kick... Do you know actually, talking about final thoughts, do you know what I'm kicking myself in the ass for? It's not buying Yo Kick two years ago.

01:04:19.45
Adz
That's fair, that's fair.

01:04:20.16
Russell Gibson
Seriously, I am actually like low key pissed off with myself. Like sometimes like the last few weeks I've been going to bed, just like grinding my teeth like, oh, I wish I just bought that.

01:04:31.05
Adz
That is

01:04:31.20
Russell Gibson
You know? Yeah. Is that a final thought? Yeah.

01:04:35.28
Adz
a great final thought.

01:04:35.31
Russell Gibson
Let's go. Yeah. Let's go out with that.

01:04:37.65
Adz
Alright, see you guys next week.