175: Card Printers Gone Wild, LA Recap, Cooper Topps Now, WNBA Expansion, Nebula Fever, Pelicans Watch, and Rockets Take-off

Episode 175:
- Revisit adam’s ebay nightmare, @mac_cardcollection, Ali Express card printer; 
- LA breakdown, Clippers, James harden 17th all time scoring
- Kobe gold prizm,  DK Stats, Dalton Knecht,
- Lebron down town, In and out
-  Happy Birthday Giannis,    Card review
- cooper Flagg Bowman U releasing
- WNBA expansion team
- Nebulas
- Pelicans roster status
- Are the rockets a professional basketball team?

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00:00:00.01
Adz
Fruit off the red nose reindeer.

00:00:02.65
Russell Gibson
It's not that bad.

00:00:03.81
Adz
I feels like it.

00:00:17.72
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 175 of the You Can't Comp This and NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:30.09
Adz
How you going, Russell?

00:00:31.42
Russell Gibson
Good. How are you today?

00:00:32.62
Adz
I'm i'm um great. For those that are watching live on YouTube, or um ah they can see that I'm rather, I've caught some sun would be the term.

00:00:43.85
Russell Gibson
I mean, yeah, people at home who are listening on the pod wouldn't have known that without you saying it, but that's okay.

00:00:49.61
Adz
But now I've given a a visual to everybody.

00:00:51.63
Russell Gibson
That's all right. You're looking very golden brown.

00:00:54.39
Adz
Brown and bright red. but

00:00:59.87
Adz
Oh, goodness gracious.

00:00:59.93
Russell Gibson
But basketball wise, card wise, what have you been following this week ads?

00:01:04.53
Adz
um I've been trying not to watch League Pass basketball. My team's not doing so good.

00:01:11.50
Russell Gibson
Did you catch any good games this week? Because there was a couple of nice ones like the Grizzlies Boston game today was pretty decent.

00:01:14.37
Adz
Oh,

00:01:18.38
Adz
oh did you see that Jarmorant slam? that was That was pretty sweet.

00:01:21.51
Russell Gibson
The day after he says I'm not going to be doing any more dunks.

00:01:24.87
Adz
Yeah, I'm not gonna fly through the air and do anything crazy. Oh, wait, I'm just gonna fly through the air and do something crazy. That was a sick jam though, that was ah was really good.

00:01:31.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:33.97
Adz
um No, I tried to have a, I thought we might have a ah a chance against the Atlanta Hawks and yeah we the Lakers found a way to lose it.

00:01:43.27
Russell Gibson
The Hawks have been super up and down this year, like they've lost a whole bunch of games, but they've also beat some pretty decent teams, so.

00:01:48.88
Adz
They've beaten Cleveland twice and they've also lost to the Wizards twice.

00:01:55.52
Russell Gibson
that's um That's perfect for the Hawks really this year, isn't it?

00:01:57.20
Adz
that's That's like the ultimate rollercoaster, right?

00:02:00.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:01.14
Adz
So on their best on when they're at their best, they can beat the best, but there are days where they can't even beat the worst.

00:02:06.43
Russell Gibson
I think probably the other shout out we need to do right now is Yo-Kick got 56 today.

00:02:13.51
Adz
56 today.

00:02:16.40
Russell Gibson
But the ironies, they lost to the wizards by nine.

00:02:17.05
Adz
I heard... I was gonna...

00:02:19.61
Russell Gibson
and So that was, yeah.

00:02:22.36
Adz
wow

00:02:24.11
Russell Gibson
That was delicious. Anyway. All right. Let's, um, enough of the small talk. Let's get into it. a

00:02:31.01
Adz
All right, let's let's let's hit it. What do what do we wanna start with?

00:02:34.85
Russell Gibson
Now, I don't think this is going to be a recurring theme, sort of us reliving your trauma of your eBay ah escapade recently, but I think let's just really quickly recap it in, you know, one or two minutes and then we'll move on to this next part because we found a bit more stuff online about something very similar to what happened to you.

00:02:53.42
Russell Gibson
So I think it's worth just mentioning again.

00:02:53.71
Adz
Yeah. Well, ah I suppose for me, it it gives me a little bit of reassurance that

00:03:00.65
Russell Gibson
It's not just you.

00:03:01.09
Adz
i'm I'm, it's not just me.

00:03:02.85
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:03:03.28
Adz
um Well, I didn't think it was just me actually, ah but but it is it it is more rampant than I thought. A few months ago, I did something silly. I flippantly bought a very expensive, thought I bought a very expensive card.

00:03:18.30
Adz
um That whole running out of time, yeah, it was raw.

00:03:19.66
Russell Gibson
Which was raw, wasn't it? Yeah.

00:03:22.61
Adz
I'm sort of, there were minutes to go in an auction. I didn't have a lot of time to to do a lot of research on it. um With time constraints, I got a notification. I went, oh, cool, bidding's up near the $2,000 mark. See if I can get a sneaky bid just over and win this thing. And I did. Only to find that it wasn't a real card at all. It was one of those stupid crack dice things you get on Etsy, like custom made card that wasn't a kaboom at all. um And then went through an absolute nightmare with eBay.

00:04:00.65
Adz
to get my money back.

00:04:02.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:02.79
Adz
And um due to a lot of perseverance and doing exactly the right thing and making sure I had had dotted my eyes and crossed my tails as far as um appropriately actioning all the the the parts of the transaction, got my money back, um but we'll be very, very, very careful in in the future.

00:04:25.31
Russell Gibson
Yes, I think probably for me, the key point here is that you bought a fake card and it was quite high up. Like it wasn't just 20 or 30 dollars. so

00:04:33.94
Adz
It wasn't, it wasn't, there were no alarm bells to suggest it was a faking. In fact, it was, it was been quite a way ah a ways up.

00:04:41.68
Russell Gibson
Hmm, which would make you think it's a genuine card. Yeah, I get that 100%.

00:04:45.59
Adz
Yep.

00:04:46.94
Russell Gibson
So I think probably let's just keep that in mind.

00:04:47.81
Adz
Yep.

00:04:50.00
Russell Gibson
Let's move on to the second part of this, which is a Instagram account holder by the name of Mac underscore card collection. And we've spoken about this gentleman before on the show.

00:04:58.45
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:05:00.50
Russell Gibson
If you don't follow him, it's very wholesome. I would call it non controversial, non clickbait content. So, you know, if you enjoy the content that we do, I would say that you'll enjoy the content this does.

00:05:13.91
Russell Gibson
But he is very much from the American perspective, not the Aussie perspective. So, you know, it's different to what we do, but it's also very good.

00:05:20.84
Adz
i know what you mean

00:05:21.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:05:22.12
Adz
yeah

00:05:24.92
Russell Gibson
So. he came across a listing on Etsy, which was a kaboom of Wembley, three out of 10, it was number two, and it looks amazing.

00:05:38.21
Russell Gibson
Like, if you're asking me, it's even like they had problems with the centering of these cards, even like that printing is off-center too. So if you show that to me, I would not think that that was a $30 ripoff that you could buy on Etsy.

00:05:50.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:54.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:54.71
Russell Gibson
And literally the first thing I thought about was, was your experience. Cause like, I'm just looking, I'm watching the video on the background as as I'm talking to you about this.

00:06:00.46
Adz
Yeah, I've got I've got I've got the video.

00:06:03.23
Russell Gibson
Even the back of the card looks, you know, it looks totally fine.

00:06:08.41
Russell Gibson
And then, yeah, super interesting. So one was sold on Propstein. He's showing that for $510. Like that's way under comps.

00:06:15.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:18.19
Russell Gibson
It does make you wonder if that was ah like a ripoff too.

00:06:18.43
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:21.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:22.25
Russell Gibson
selling for 500 bucks, you know, really similar to your situation. And then I'll let you comment on this. And I'll sort of move into the third part about this.

00:06:31.91
Adz
with, well, so the original one, the the the numbered one, like it's a, it's ah it's a, but it's literally, it's literally, it's it's literally a counterfeit of the ah original card.

00:06:36.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, just what ah whatever you want to add to the conversation, like, please, like, feel free to jump in. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

00:06:46.66
Adz
Like there's nothing like custom card about this. The first one, like that's a copy of, like it's a reproduction of the actual kaboom, isn't it?

00:06:58.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sorry. I've just missed that. Even the Propstein one that actually had custom written in it, but someone still bought it for $500.

00:07:01.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:05.07
Russell Gibson
Like that's, that's insane.

00:07:05.43
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:06.49
Russell Gibson
It's a $2 piece of cardboard.

00:07:08.59
Adz
Like it's, I understand how hard it is to monitor this stuff. Um, and I, I, I obviously had my, I went on my own little crusade and tried to find all the, the cracked ice kaboom nonsense cards that were of that Kobe and reported a bunch of them, ah two of them.

00:07:26.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:07:31.38
Adz
eBay took down three or four of them. They left up when I put my reports through. it

00:07:39.37
Russell Gibson
I don't understand their policy on how they manage that to be perfectly honest.

00:07:42.35
Adz
They don't care, honestly, like they don't care.

00:07:43.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's like they get the percentage.

00:07:45.35
Adz
And it's not that, and it's not that, a ah I'm not gonna blame eBay for it.

00:07:45.87
Russell Gibson
They don't care. Yeah.

00:07:51.80
Adz
what i'll What I'll say is the people that own the license, i.e. Panini, why why do they care?

00:08:01.36
Adz
the card that their cards are being reproduced or copied.

00:08:04.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:05.34
Adz
Cause they've already made the money from selling the things.

00:08:07.62
Russell Gibson
I think at the end of the day, you're probably hitting the nail on the head. Really, Panini ah the should be the gatekeepers for that. And other companies will be out there protecting their own IP.

00:08:18.64
Russell Gibson
So it is to me a bit unusual that Panini doesn't do anything about it.

00:08:19.26
Adz
Of course.

00:08:24.92
Russell Gibson
Or maybe that's just the most Panini thing that can be done, you know? They're not too fussed about how cards get packed into boxes. They're not too fussed about, you know, potential hot boxes going out to breakers, allegedly, sorry, allegedly.

00:08:37.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:39.83
Russell Gibson
They're not worried about the aftermarket IP infringements that's happening on their products, you know?

00:08:43.45
Adz
But how, yeah, how does the aftermarket impact them? It doesn't.

00:08:46.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:47.99
Adz
So.

00:08:48.33
Russell Gibson
Probably helps them. It's just extra advertising, isn't it?

00:08:51.30
Adz
huh So the fact that these reproductions have panini plastered trademark panini all plastered all over it.

00:08:58.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:59.43
Adz
Like the back of the card is exactly like the Kaboom.

00:09:01.66
Russell Gibson
Oh, it's a hundred percent. It's a perfect copy.

00:09:04.10
Adz
It's a, it's a, it's a scan of it.

00:09:06.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:07.18
Adz
or sorry, but a reproduction. It's ridiculous, but did they let it get away? i Like get away with it. I don't know. I just don't know how you hey police this.

00:09:19.87
Russell Gibson
Yes, that's the second part of this story. The third part is, and this is just, to be honest with you, a completely coincidental thing that my buddy posted to me. It is a card maker that you can buy off AliExpress for $8,689.

00:09:34.18
Russell Gibson
And I doubt that my buddy did more than two seconds of research into this, or maybe he didn't even research it, it just came into his feed. So, hmm.

00:09:43.96
Adz
That's insane.

00:09:46.40
Russell Gibson
And the quality of the cards that are coming out of that, look fantastic. It looks to me like this is where that Kaboom came from. The examples they've got up.

00:09:56.29
Adz
But this is where they're printing that that nonsense.

00:09:58.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The examples they've got up here are actually Pokemon, but looking at them like it's got all the, you know, the beautiful foil, it's got all the hollow, you know, built into it. It looks, you know, very, very schmick.

00:10:09.24
Adz
That's, yeah, i say they've they've they're very producing um Game cards, trading card games.

00:10:16.72
Russell Gibson
Hmm. I think that's Pokemon, but I definitely could be wrong about that.

00:10:22.46
Adz
Nah, it's not Pokemon, it's some other anime, yeah.

00:10:23.90
Russell Gibson
Not Pokemon. Okay.

00:10:26.01
Adz
Could be Yu-Gi-Oh, could be One Piece, could be, there's a bunch of different games out there, but seriously, for eight grand, you can just print your own, I thought when you linked it, I thought it was a CT scanner at first.

00:10:32.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:41.20
Russell Gibson
ah We've let that dog die, haven't we?

00:10:43.19
Adz
For now,

00:10:44.96
Russell Gibson
So look, I suppose I don't want to catastrophize this because that's again, not really our jam, but I'm more just want to have a conversation about this, you know, maybe highlight to people about this.

00:10:50.04
Adz
No.

00:10:53.91
Russell Gibson
And I think particularly if you're buying off Teemu, Etsy, all that type of stuff and you're getting a card that's comes at thousands of dollars for $30, you know, it's going to be a fake.

00:11:03.56
Adz
that's pretty That's pretty obvious, isn't it?

00:11:04.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think probably for me, the bigger issue is how do you identify or spot cards that are fake?

00:11:14.11
Russell Gibson
like in a concert.

00:11:15.86
Adz
At a card show, I think it's a lot easier.

00:11:15.91
Russell Gibson
And let's just say it.

00:11:20.37
Adz
Cause I admit that the fake card that I got, as soon as I got it in hand, I'm like, this is, I knew straight away.

00:11:25.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:27.93
Adz
We were talking about counterfeit products. Um, I was talking about it with a friend the other day and we, we were at a market and there were board games for sale and they were, they were reprints of board games.

00:11:40.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:42.04
Adz
And it was like, hang on a second. That's normally a hundred dollar board game. Why is it $25?

00:11:47.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:49.08
Adz
And.

00:11:49.08
Russell Gibson
It's probably exactly the same, though.

00:11:50.84
Adz
I bought a $20, I bought, I think it was Secret Hitler or something like that.

00:11:55.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:55.63
Adz
Not the the cheapest of games. I'm like, you know what, whatever. ah I know how the game works. i But instead of the the the printed tokens and and plastic and wooden parts, everything's just cardboard and crap.

00:12:00.84
Russell Gibson
Probably came from the same factory, you know.

00:12:11.87
Russell Gibson
Oh, right.

00:12:12.29
Adz
And it's it's a reproduction, like it's a reprint of the game, but it's,

00:12:12.69
Russell Gibson
OK. Yeah.

00:12:17.29
Adz
And he looked at the packet and i i knew what i was I knew what I was buying in this instance.

00:12:21.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:12:22.89
Adz
But like, imagine like buying copy a copy of Monopoly and it's all just reprinted crud.

00:12:31.34
Russell Gibson
You mean like monopoly money?

00:12:33.17
Adz
That's quite ironic actually. I was gonna go to the market, back to the market with Monopoly money to see if I could buy these fake board games with Monopoly money.

00:12:44.37
Adz
But it's yeah, I mean, they they how do you stop

00:12:44.52
Russell Gibson
Anyway,

00:12:46.91
Adz
Things like this happening.

00:12:49.00
Russell Gibson
So I think so that when be one for example, I think you need to know what the picture looks like. I think that's the starting point. You need a reference for the card.

00:12:56.91
Adz
Sure.

00:12:57.83
Russell Gibson
And and I think the last time we spoke about this, that what I was talking about was using the PSA registry is almost your, you know, your guide for what a card should look like.

00:13:04.68
Adz
Mm.

00:13:06.37
Russell Gibson
I'm going to double down on that now because I think just doing that sort of five or 10 minutes research into a card, you know, before you buy it. and And not that I'm using yours as a case study per se, but I think the thing you spoke about, and this is what's going through my head, is like the amount of time that you spend on researching to that card before you bought it. Like you said it yourself, it was like a couple of seconds where if it had to be in a couple of minutes, you had to look in The PSA registry may be taking a look at it.

00:13:32.30
Russell Gibson
Maybe that is like one thing that you could do to, you know, prevent this happening in the future.

00:13:34.80
Adz
Mmm.

00:13:36.09
Russell Gibson
And so.

00:13:36.90
Adz
Oh, without a doubt, I acknowledge that I didn't do my due diligence with regards to the research I did on the card.

00:13:46.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:47.17
Adz
um How, yeah, yeah.

00:13:47.27
Russell Gibson
I mean, which is fine. like I'm not making this a personal thing. You know what I'm trying to say, right?

00:13:50.60
Adz
No, no, bit but I suppose, and I think the first time we went through it, I completely agree the PSA register is a great place, but say a PSA 10 of that, of the kaboom I want,

00:13:51.11
Russell Gibson
It's like, what do you do? Yeah.

00:14:03.53
Adz
is gonna cost me $30,000 versus a raw one that's gonna cost me five.

00:14:09.61
Russell Gibson
I mean, like, no, no, yes.

00:14:09.87
Adz
Do you know what I mean?

00:14:11.43
Russell Gibson
But what I'm saying to you is you go into the PSA registry, you look at what the cards look like because they have photos on there.

00:14:15.19
Adz
Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah.

00:14:17.49
Russell Gibson
So and I think this is where I'm sort of, you know, going back to this, you know, you use PSA's knowledge and their knowledge base and their resources that have got available to them and say, OK, this is what a real one looks like.

00:14:22.90
Adz
Hmm.

00:14:28.72
Russell Gibson
This is what a fake one looks like.

00:14:28.84
Adz
Hmm.

00:14:29.84
Russell Gibson
And, you know, I mean, you sort of go from that. like I think that's the best you can practically do.

00:14:31.75
Adz
Yeah. i mean i think I think it's one of those things where maybe when, surely we know people in the industry that have that have the, what you're doing when you're buying a Jordan rookie.

00:14:35.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:45.89
Adz
Because they're the ones that get counterfeited to the to the point where photo photos only is gonna, you're gonna get stitched up, right?

00:14:49.58
Russell Gibson
Oh, I would only buy a PC Jordan rookie. I think that's yeah. Yeah, definitely. I wouldn't even know where to start.

00:14:56.59
Adz
The the the counterfeits are that good.

00:14:58.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

00:14:59.95
Adz
and And that's the concerning bit to me is like, at at what point, Is it, yeah, do you have to look so great?

00:15:05.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:08.47
Adz
It's a bit, it's a bit scary. It's not, it's, I mean, I guess my advice would be it's, it's not all, um not everybody is trustworthy.

00:15:19.99
Adz
um We have a lot of really, really, really good people in this hobby, but we also, but there are also some very underhanded people out there that are trying to take advantage of others.

00:15:23.25
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

00:15:29.54
Russell Gibson
I would say people that are buying printers, though, are not hobbyists. I would say they're trying to take advantage of hobbyists.

00:15:34.63
Adz
scammers. Yeah, for sure.

00:15:35.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

00:15:36.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:36.71
Russell Gibson
I think that's another kettle of...

00:15:37.62
Adz
That's a great Yeah, that's a great point.

00:15:38.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:39.31
Adz
Yep.

00:15:39.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:40.07
Adz
For sure.

00:15:41.36
Russell Gibson
All righty, let's tie that off here, mate. Let's go to our first ad break. And actually, I'm a little bit excited about this one. So we have a new sponsor coming on this week. We hinted at it last week. It is the Melbourne Card Cartel. So Darren, thank you very much for coming on board and and giving us your trust. We're very honored and we're glad that we can hopefully represent you in the best way that we possibly can. So Darren's basically Repack I think that's the best way to summarize his products in his services go to the Melbourne Cartel dot au and you'll find all of his products on there we're not going to go through everything today because he offers a lot but next couple of weeks will start to work through all of this.

00:16:23.12
Russell Gibson
If you do use the code COMPTHIS10, you'll get 10% off any purchase that you make there. So that's a very generous offer for our listeners. Darren, thank you very much for that.

00:16:34.86
Russell Gibson
He has four sports repacks, NFL, AFL, UFC, and of course basketball. The hitman range, are all $35 apiece. And this is the one that you were talking about. You picked up the hobby hangout.

00:16:45.52
Adz
I did.

00:16:47.39
Russell Gibson
He is looking in the future to do a higher end one, which is going to be called the El Chapo and talking to Darren. He takes three to four months to prep his repack. So keep an eye out for that one. He also runs breaks for his products too. So via his Facebook group, the Marvin, the Melbourne Cartel, and also on Instagram at Melbourne Cartel. And he's also now on whatnot again at Melbourne Cartel. So check him out on that.

00:17:15.67
Russell Gibson
I think the thing that was the deal maker for me is the way that Darren does his transparency of his repack. So every card is listed on there.

00:17:23.01
Adz
Yep. Yeah. yeah

00:17:25.06
Russell Gibson
And we were talking about this last week and. I think for someone to fit our philosophy that we agree with and also, you know, is representing our show or, you know, we're representing now, I think that was really important to me.

00:17:35.25
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:35.96
Russell Gibson
So I'm really happy about that. Look, I think let's leave this advertisement here. I think we've talked about enough and next week we'll run through all the other things that Darren is, you know, working on at the same time.

00:17:47.10
Russell Gibson
So again, thank you so much. And listeners, please check out the melbournecartel.au.

00:18:00.18
Russell Gibson
Adam, how are you feeling champ?

00:18:02.20
Adz
um'm great I'm great, I'm great. I'm not sunburnt for anyone that is watching, by the way. I see myself on the on the on the screen, I'm like, maybe I need some aloe vera or something.

00:18:14.00
Russell Gibson
Probably just needed a bit of sunscreen today, mate. You'll be fine. All righty. So this next segment, we're going to talk about the LA basketball scene at the moment. I think we should talk about this because actually the Clippers are doing really well.

00:18:27.85
Russell Gibson
They've, ah Paul George left in the offseason. Everyone knows about that.

00:18:32.01
Adz
yes

00:18:32.33
Russell Gibson
Kwai Leonard hasn't suited up yet, but despite that, they've still got a very good healthy record. And James Harden just this week has moved up into 17th all time in scoring.

00:18:40.07
Adz
Yes.

00:18:45.49
Russell Gibson
So I think we should just talk about the Clippers for say five minutes or so. I think they've definitely earned five minutes of our time.

00:18:52.87
Adz
Five minutes in the spotlight. Yeah.

00:18:54.93
Russell Gibson
I think that's pretty fair to say. And then we'll go to your beloved Lakers and break them down just a little bit.

00:19:00.46
Adz
Give them a minute.

00:19:02.39
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:19:02.88
Adz
I don't, they didn't deserve a minute at the moment. Anyway, alright, let's talk about the Clippers.

00:19:08.48
Russell Gibson
So for me, the Clippers are really interesting issue because I wasn't expecting them to win 25 games. So for me, they've already completely blown away everything that you know that I had expectations for. And I think the little bit of the part for me is where was the offense going to come from and where was the defense going to come from? I think in my head, that's sort of where I was at.

00:19:31.33
Russell Gibson
And so when you look at them playing, obviously the balls in James Harden's hand a lot, like I get that a hundred percent.

00:19:37.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:38.60
Russell Gibson
But I think the other one for me, the standout has been Norman Powell. So I found this really great tweet from him. This is from at Dunk Central.

00:19:49.36
Russell Gibson
Norman Powell says, no one has an ego in this year's Clippers team. I think this year we have guys who are really team orientated and team focused on both sides of the ball. who are willing to learn, grow, and have the mentality of doing whatever it takes to win. Everybody's coachable and focused on the task at hand. There are no egos. I like the atmosphere. It's been a whole lot of fun. We're playing pure basketball. Actually, I couldn't agree with him just you know more on that. um Then there was another graphics in that same thread from clutch sports, 22 points a game from Zuboch, 24 from Powell, and 25 from Harden. That's a really good

00:20:27.89
Russell Gibson
output, you know, from a trio. I think that's really good. The other thing to mention too, is they're standing some of them. They're 14 and 10. So in an absolute diabolical West, that is an insane record for a team that's essentially, you know, broken, injured, had, you know, pieces, you know, basically walk away for nothing.

00:20:36.87
Adz
oh Mmm.

00:20:45.91
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's a really great.

00:20:46.75
Adz
the the they were They were practically stripped bare and it was hardened in a bunch of, not second stringers, but pieces.

00:20:49.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:54.19
Russell Gibson
Oh, 100%.

00:20:55.47
Adz
It was hardened in pieces, but it was hardened in key pieces because they lost their stars and Kawai's injured.

00:20:55.65
Russell Gibson
There's nothing wrong with saying that, man. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:01.61
Adz
So, so yeah.

00:21:02.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:04.27
Russell Gibson
I mean, when you look at the rest of this roster, man, Mo Bumber, Bones Highland, Chris Dunn, you know, Terrence Mann, PJ Tucker, Clyde Jones that came off the scrap heap, Norman Powell, you know, he was a throwaway.

00:21:09.96
Adz
But there are all these therere there there are all these players that have shown a little bit, but they've been, yep.

00:21:19.57
Adz
Yep.

00:21:19.77
Russell Gibson
He's only 24 years old, that kid.

00:21:22.32
Adz
Interesting.

00:21:22.63
Russell Gibson
Sorry. Hang on a second. Norman Powell, he's 31 years old.

00:21:25.09
Adz
31, I was gonna say, who's who's the young one?

00:21:25.28
Russell Gibson
I was completely wrong.

00:21:27.71
Adz
Bones, no.

00:21:27.82
Russell Gibson
Nicholas Batoom, Derek Jones Jr., which actually I don't mind him at all, and Kevin Porter. So another guy that they've claimed off the scrap heap too, you know, so.

00:21:34.27
Adz
Mm. Maybe they've become good at recycling.

00:21:39.83
Russell Gibson
Amazing. The world leaders in recycling.

00:21:41.87
Adz
Recycle players, that is.

00:21:44.47
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's talk about some cards. James Harden. I'm not going to go to his rookie card. I'm going to go to his 2018 Kaboom PSA 10.

00:21:53.12
Adz
All right.

00:21:53.24
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 23.

00:21:57.84
Russell Gibson
last sold for $787. Now, if you look at the all-time sales on this, the first few, this is in 2020, was trading at about $100, and then it absolutely skyrocketed up until that sort of $600 mark, and it sat there for a while, then it dropped right off into early, sorry, late 2023, down to 300.

00:22:06.07
Adz
Hmm.

00:22:21.55
Russell Gibson
and then skyrocketed up to 850 and then it was down again back into sort of the 500 mark. Now it's right back up again. So look, I think kaboom's are really valuable.

00:22:32.25
Russell Gibson
I think I'm going to keep going on on like this, like an absolute broken record pretty much until I think I die.

00:22:35.90
Adz
I I do too as long as they're genuine as long as they're real I Know I'm just Still a bit sad um

00:22:39.47
Russell Gibson
This is PSA 10. So I think, you know, I think that's fine. Yeah.

00:22:46.61
Adz
Yeah, now Kaboom's a great investment, so.

00:22:48.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think this is a really good example of, you know, I don't think Hardin really has that much hobby value and he's, you know, he's a great player. He's 17th all time in the scoring, all that type of stuff, but definitely not.

00:22:59.06
Adz
Yep. But it's, it I mean, yeah. Hardener's never been, yeah, a hobby favourite.

00:23:08.47
Russell Gibson
You might actually argue the opposite.

00:23:08.73
Adz
Very.

00:23:11.06
Adz
Yep.

00:23:12.26
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Lakers and Heat box score from the other day. You're gonna love this. 134 to 93. There was a whole bunch of stuff that came out in the media after this game about, you know, trade rumors and they had the Think about no one's taking accountability on the court, but JJ Reddick is and they need someone to step up and take accountability.

00:23:34.08
Russell Gibson
Interestingly, LeBron said he was going to do that. And I actually wonder if this is the perfect example of when a coach and a player actually have synergy. And considering that LeBron hired this guy, you would hope he's going to stand behind his coach.

00:23:48.04
Russell Gibson
I actually don't care.

00:23:48.68
Adz
i i think I think LeBron, I i saw a very um dejected LeBron in the into in the post game for the the interviews for this.

00:23:59.00
Russell Gibson
Oh, they got their asses kicked. It was, I watched that for five minutes and turned it off.

00:24:00.45
Adz
they got they They got absolutely flogged.

00:24:03.91
Russell Gibson
It was nonsense. Yeah.

00:24:05.30
Adz
It's pretty bad.

00:24:06.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:06.75
Adz
But the one thing I did notice, and the and LeBron was just straight down the line. He ah he said, what did JJ say? He was like, oh, they said XYZ. He goes, well, that me too.

00:24:19.94
Adz
so Don't try and sow the seeds of discontent and all the rest of it, whatever the coach says we're in.

00:24:26.50
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:24:26.73
Adz
and there is it there is look there ah Don't get me wrong, I think there actually is some disconnect there. That's funny, given Dalton Connect is the the the bright the the bright the the bright light in Laker Town.

00:24:37.80
Russell Gibson
We are going to talk about Dalton connect. Don't you worry about that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:46.00
Adz
But it is like Anthony Davis has gone from like an MVP level start to the season to being a complete nutted dud.

00:24:56.89
Adz
I think AD, someone said AD stands for all done.

00:24:57.16
Russell Gibson
I think that happens in an, in an age two game season. I look, can I answer the,

00:25:04.81
Adz
I'd never seen a superstar with a sub 10 point performance.

00:25:09.14
Russell Gibson
The problem with the media cycle that we live in is that every, they think every day is, you know, Christmas day, when in fact, actually when it's an 82 game season, if you lose 20 games, it doesn't matter.

00:25:21.47
Adz
True.

00:25:22.17
Russell Gibson
You're still a 60 win team. Like, you know what I mean?

00:25:24.77
Adz
sure True, true.

00:25:25.64
Russell Gibson
And so this is the part where I'm kind of like, hang on a second. like like Let's do the, the coach pop philosophy here, you know, and yeah.

00:25:32.60
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure. i't I don't know, I don't think the wheels are as off as the media think, but there is definitely, there's definitely some issues that they need to work out quick smart, because their defense is absolutely atrocious.

00:25:35.57
Russell Gibson
Let's.

00:25:39.41
Russell Gibson
Nah.

00:25:49.36
Russell Gibson
At times, definitely they're a defensively challenged team, but if you actually break down and look at their roster, is it that surprising that they're defensively challenged?

00:25:57.09
Adz
When they put a defensive lineup out, their offense is terrible. Like it's, they've got to find that balance.

00:26:00.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:03.68
Adz
And I think the fact that they get key, they're getting injuries is, is, is a struggle.

00:26:09.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:13.20
Adz
Anyway.

00:26:17.25
Adz
who

00:26:17.48
Russell Gibson
Kobe Gold Prism is the next in the lineup. I thought we'd talk about this considering we're talking about the Lakers.

00:26:20.59
Adz
The Lakers.

00:26:24.15
Russell Gibson
Now, you froth over a color match.

00:26:29.00
Russell Gibson
On a scale of 1 to 10, where are you at with this bad boy here? For those listening at home on the podcast, this is a 1415 Prism Gold, BGS 9.5. I'll put all of these cards into the links, guys. If you go to the podcast description, click on it. You will be able to see this card as we're frothing over this on air.

00:26:49.64
Adz
I tell you what, that's but so annoying that the gold is like number to 10 because it's so it's so unattainable for my colour match um habit wanting to colour match.

00:26:52.87
Russell Gibson
It's actually perfect. Okay.

00:27:02.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:27:06.92
Adz
I mean, ah I'm sure there's a purple. Is there a purple? tonight

00:27:09.69
Russell Gibson
I don't think in that year, 14, 15 was before they had the 16,000 rainbow colors, you know?

00:27:11.07
Adz
Not in that year, it might not have been purple. Before that, the different, all the the different ones, but yeah, that's ah that's a beautiful, and is that's ah a splendid card.

00:27:15.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:21.66
Adz
i

00:27:24.26
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's take it back to today's modern day team.

00:27:24.48
Adz
yeah

00:27:27.22
Russell Gibson
So Dalton Connect is playing really well. 17th overall pick. Two weeks ago had Crehigh 37 points, five rebounds, one steal. 75% from the field in this game and 75% from three.

00:27:40.32
Russell Gibson
So I think there's going to be a lot of hobby love for this guy, and rightly so. He's playing really well. He's playing on a team that has a winning record. I mean, let me check.

00:27:51.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're 12 and 11 at the moment, so yes, they have a winning record.

00:27:54.42
Adz
Mmm Yep Yeah

00:27:55.05
Russell Gibson
And he plays for the Lakers, so you're always going to pay the Lakers tax on that. I think my my issue with Dalton Konek, though, is his age.

00:27:59.98
Adz
Mmm

00:28:01.93
Russell Gibson
He's already 24 years of age. And I think for a reference point, Pat Williams, who plays for the Bulls, is not yet 24 years of age.

00:28:05.82
Adz
That's

00:28:10.52
Russell Gibson
and so

00:28:10.84
Adz
a good, that's a good, that's a good point

00:28:13.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's the way you have to almost remember this. So it's like, you know, are people heavily investing in Pat Will at the moment? No, they're not. Like they're over this guy, you know, he's sort of, you know, up and done. So what I was interested to look at that was sort of get a bit of an idea of where he is currently at in the market.

00:28:29.18
Russell Gibson
And so it's really tough at the moment because nothing professional has come out. Hoops isn't out yet. Don Russ isn't out, you know, on and on and on.

00:28:35.36
Adz
Hmm So hoops is what end of January early fib is that Yeah, that's true

00:28:40.92
Russell Gibson
I don't follow this the release schedule anymore, mate, because it's so cooked. Even if they tell me it's going to be out in December, it's going to be out in March anyway. Do you know what I mean? Like when the brakes start popping up, OK, great, you know, hoops is out. Cool.

00:28:54.16
Adz
We're getting to that dangerous point where there's going to be an overlap as well.

00:28:58.51
Russell Gibson
I don't know how Pini's going to manage this because I couldn't imagine Fanatics is going to

00:29:03.33
Adz
Are they gonna down tools and stop production at any point and just gonna nut stuff it? Surely not, they're just gonna dump products onto the market.

00:29:10.07
Russell Gibson
I think what's going to happen is that 10 products that can come out in 10 weeks. I can't imagine anything else is going to happen.

00:29:15.35
Adz
Bang, bang, bang, yeah, okay.

00:29:16.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Because I couldn't imagine fanatics will let them produce cards outside of the agreed time. They haven't exactly played nicely with anyone. Anyway, so what is out, though, is 2023 Bowman University.

00:29:30.38
Russell Gibson
Now, this is to be really interesting.

00:29:30.64
Adz
Yes.

00:29:31.90
Russell Gibson
So this is PSA 10 gold number 250. It's sold for 230 USD. Another one, this is raw, this card, again, Bowman University, number to 150, this sold for $18 USD.

00:29:47.20
Russell Gibson
ah This one is number to $50, that sold for $88 USD, and that's got a print line on it. A gold, sorry, a green number to $299 sold for $35 USD.

00:29:58.54
Russell Gibson
Look, this is the this is not even pro stuff.

00:30:02.26
Adz
Yeah, this is yeah, okay flip will be real

00:30:05.10
Russell Gibson
I think the chase is going to be on for this kid. So I think it means, you know, one of two things that the PYT price for Lakers is going to be high. And I think the after sale for the Dalton Connect stuff is going to be, you know, the flip is going to be there at the start. I think for me, the question is, is do you buy into this kid? ah For me, this is a little bit of a stay away because I think you could use Kyle Kuzma as a really good comp for this guy.

00:30:29.25
Adz
Well, it was um Summer League MVP. He's a four year man. atddie Was it Utah that he played at university? But kuismma was yeah Kuzma was or 24 when he came out.

00:30:39.60
Russell Gibson
He's talking about Kuzma. Yeah.

00:30:45.95
Adz
I completely agree. I think he's a a great comp. and i got I say I got burnt on Kuzma, but yeah.

00:30:48.88
Russell Gibson
Well,

00:30:51.98
Adz
I had some rookie stuff.

00:30:52.21
Russell Gibson
In terms of, you know, talent, I would probably say Kuzma's probably got a little bit more talent.

00:30:54.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:57.76
Russell Gibson
I think obviously Connect is a better shooter, but it's the same thing of like a forward.

00:31:01.71
Adz
Hmm.

00:31:02.49
Russell Gibson
He's in Los Angeles. Now you look at the Kuzma prices. Let's just take out the COVID stuff because I think that's unreasonable. And let's take out the first sale because it was $500.

00:31:14.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:15.06
Russell Gibson
But after that, it sold for $300, $300. Then it went all the way down to $100. And now it's He had a bit of a resurgence.

00:31:22.32
Adz
What's

00:31:24.04
Russell Gibson
It was back up to $100.

00:31:26.02
Adz
his Kyle?

00:31:26.88
Russell Gibson
Kyle Kuzma, now it's trading at basically $10. This is for his rookie silver PSA 10. Look, I get the feeling that Dalton Connect is going to end up very similar to what Kuzma is probably doing at the moment.

00:31:42.31
Russell Gibson
And let's just say it's double that double current comps and it's a $20 or $30 card. You know, I think that's the future.

00:31:48.41
Adz
if he to If he grows into the shooter that, like he lives up to his potential, you think?

00:31:55.20
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the thing about Dalton Connect is not so much he's shooting. I think he's a finished product at this point. He's coming to the league as a fully formed pro and he is playing really well.

00:32:02.94
Adz
Okay.

00:32:06.15
Russell Gibson
It's more about can he fit into a system?

00:32:08.74
Adz
Yep.

00:32:09.62
Russell Gibson
Is he in a system that wants to use him? And then obviously defensively, that's the other thing, like realistically, you can't.

00:32:14.33
Adz
He's got to learn defensively because that's obviously that I was talking about the Lakers deficiencies just before.

00:32:20.15
Russell Gibson
I think physically, he's not going to be able to keep up with Elite NBA forward scorers. And I'm not throwing shade at this kid.

00:32:27.11
Adz
Okay.

00:32:28.25
Russell Gibson
I think that's just being practical.

00:32:30.14
Adz
Okay.

00:32:30.73
Russell Gibson
but That's not his game, you know?

00:32:31.95
Adz
Yep. That makes sense.

00:32:34.26
Russell Gibson
So, yeah. um Alrighty, I got two more cards to talk about for you. So I found a LA, well, technically not a Lakers card, but it is LeBron James. 2017 Panini Cornerstones downtown.

00:32:47.86
Adz
Oh.

00:32:48.71
Russell Gibson
PSA 9 popped seven on this. This last sold for 13,000.

00:32:55.04
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second. What am I saying? It last sold for $1,800.

00:32:56.76
Adz
1800.

00:32:59.10
Russell Gibson
The market cap on this is $13,000.

00:33:01.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:01.97
Russell Gibson
Please excuse me.

00:33:04.97
Adz
But yeah, that's a that's a that's a beautiful. um I mean, it's an interesting pose for a downtown shot. You look at the card.

00:33:15.88
Russell Gibson
I love the downtowns, honestly.

00:33:16.61
Adz
It looks like he, but it looks like he's going for a layup. Like the action shot on that card.

00:33:21.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, a layup or maybe like sort of a mid range.

00:33:24.25
Adz
He did, it was a shot like that against l Atlanta yesterday.

00:33:25.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:27.68
Adz
That he did, took the three and it went in. But anyway, that just reminds me of that shot. Oh, it looks like a layup. Anyway.

00:33:36.01
Russell Gibson
Last Lakers talk and I am absolutely frothing over this. This is the In-N-Out Burger Lakers jersey concept. I really, really hope that this happens one day one day because that is just amazing.

00:33:52.41
Russell Gibson
I have had the good fortune of going to In-N-Out Burger and it was a nice experience. I can't say it was like the best burger I've ever had, but I would buy one of these. I would wear one of these.

00:34:02.68
Adz
It's like McDonald's sponsoring.

00:34:07.57
Russell Gibson
I mean, that's the play, isn't it? That they would then sponsor them at the same time. Maybe that will be why it will never happen. There'll be a bigger sponsor that will hold this back. How freaking good is that though, man?

00:34:18.67
Adz
It's pretty funny. I like i think the um the sponsored jerseys are a cool idea.

00:34:25.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. I think there's some opportunity for this round.

00:34:28.96
Adz
Do you know what I mean? like what is it who who Who's on the Lakers jersey? Don't even know. But you know what I mean? There are different companies that different sponsor different teams.

00:34:40.35
Adz
it's gives the Imagine the sponsor had their own jersey.

00:34:45.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:46.61
Adz
Surely that's a, like and it's a sponsor night. You do one game a year or two games a year, but it gives you an additional jersey to put into circulation.

00:34:51.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:56.30
Russell Gibson
Well, there's something like this. And then in WNBA, there's Angel Reese, who's sponsored by Reese's Pieces.

00:35:01.23
Adz
The race is, yeah.

00:35:02.27
Russell Gibson
We need more of this stuff. Honestly, I think that'll be really cool. Can you think any of the top of your head that would be a good, like, fun one to do? I'm putting you on the spot here.

00:35:09.87
Adz
Oh, goodness.

00:35:14.69
Adz
I don't know, like a a car company maybe, like a Toyota one or something.

00:35:17.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:20.64
Adz
It'd be something different, I don't know.

00:35:20.79
Russell Gibson
ah I'd love to see like a player get sponsored by a gentleman's club or something, you know, wild like that. Or, you know, Zion gets sponsored by like a fried chicken place.

00:35:32.60
Russell Gibson
I want to ask, I want our podcast to be sponsored by a coffee company.

00:35:32.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:39.14
Russell Gibson
Then we can sprue coffee, advertise coffee, and then they'll give us free stuff.

00:35:39.23
Adz
Well, who is it?

00:35:43.32
Russell Gibson
This is like my ultimate dream. In fact, I'm going to contact some coffee companies this week. If anyone is listening to the show and you work for a coffee company and you're interested in some sponsorship, please reach out to us.

00:35:55.90
Russell Gibson
I am so down for this. All righty. Speaking of a sponsorship, we are going to go to our next ad break, Adam. Let's do fast break trading cards. Thank you very much to Alvero and John at fast break trading cards. In true, you can't comp this fashion. We had a 10 show advertising agreement and we went up to 14 before we realized that we'd gone way past our agreement.

00:36:24.24
Russell Gibson
The lads have actually put the ink back onto the contract. and They're back for another 10 episodes, which will essentially be six more, but, you know, we'll work at all that out on the backend. So thank you so much lads for sponsoring us fastbreaktradingcards dot.com. Huge range of everything.

00:36:43.16
Russell Gibson
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00:37:08.70
Adz
Nice.

00:37:09.94
Russell Gibson
We have got here the booster bundle for 60 a piece. Now, if you want a little bit of soccer, 2024 tops MLS Chrome soccer hobby box pre-order for 235. Funnily enough, I was actually watching a video on Instagram today because now that Messi has gone across,

00:37:27.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:29.15
Russell Gibson
The um MLS stuff is definitely doing a lot better and people are starting to collect it, so that's kind of a cool one.

00:37:31.58
Adz
Ooh.

00:37:34.27
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately, no and NBA is for pre-order at the moment, but let's see what they've got for basketball.

00:37:37.88
Adz
Yep.

00:37:40.95
Russell Gibson
Here we go. Mosaic NBA basketball blaster box for $90. They've got Donruss optic blasters for $65. Fast break, $23.24. Obviously, that's when we...

00:37:53.49
Russell Gibson
Optic fast break for 600. So that's all pretty reasonably priced lads Get down support them They are definitely doing all the right stuff for the hobby Thank you so much for your sponsorship guys.

00:38:05.80
Russell Gibson
We really appreciate it we're back and we're gonna say happy birthday to Giannis.

00:38:17.54
Russell Gibson
Would you like to sing happy birthday to Giannis with Miad?

00:38:19.67
Adz
um'm i'm not singing I'm not singing happy birthday to Yannis.

00:38:22.81
Russell Gibson
Okay. It was kind of a joke, but I'm glad you called my bluff on that one. All righty. This is from at ball is life. Happy 30th birthday. He honest at age 18, he was six foot nine and 190 pounds. And I think in Australian talk, that's around sort of like 80 to 85 kilos. At age 30, he is now six foot 11 and 243 pounds NBA 75th team, m NBA champion.

00:38:50.29
Russell Gibson
Finals MVP, back to back MVP, all NBA first teams the last six years, defensive player of the year, and his 2K rating is 98. I feel as though he's a little bit of a um unspoken about star.

00:39:09.51
Russell Gibson
And particularly the last couple of years when you can definitely make the argument that the box of underachieved and

00:39:16.09
Adz
I, yeah.

00:39:21.55
Adz
Yeah, can't.

00:39:22.48
Russell Gibson
we We talk a lot about Yokeek on this show. and We probably do need to talk about Giannis a little bit more considering the stuff that he's doing.

00:39:29.35
Adz
Is it, is it Giannis though? Like, I mean, obviously we we don't give him the the the credit he deserves, but is this a case of the lack of team success or the disappointment of the team impacts the player? Does it take the view?

00:39:47.22
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the problem with, okay. This is actually easy for me to say. I think the problem is the market that he's in.

00:39:52.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:54.17
Russell Gibson
He plays for the box. And so they're not in the everyday news cycle.

00:39:56.96
Adz
Hmm.

00:39:59.20
Russell Gibson
And so, for example, the Lakers get blown out by the heat and there's 15 minutes on ESP. I mean, even we spoke about it this week, which is probably not a fair thing to say because we're not big on going with the trends, but it is reasonable for us to mention that this week.

00:40:05.67
Adz
Of course, of course. Yeah, yeah.

00:40:13.05
Russell Gibson
And so I think that is definitely part of it. And maybe the Bucks make the news cycle on ESPN when they fire Doc.

00:40:19.97
Adz
Mmm.

00:40:21.31
Russell Gibson
You know what I mean? Like, it's sorry.

00:40:22.50
Adz
They did, they did.

00:40:25.64
Russell Gibson
They fired Adrian Griffin last year. You know, that's probably the. So I don't know. Look, I think that's the way I sort of perceive this. Now, really interestingly, if you go to his silver PSA 10 rookie, go to Cardletter, go to the all time sales data.

00:40:41.22
Adz
Oh, very good with him.

00:40:42.00
Russell Gibson
This actually started at a thousand bucks, which to me is is fascinating. So whether there was more sales points before that and Cardletter just didn't make data, that could definitely be true.

00:40:52.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:52.46
Russell Gibson
Now, this went up to forty two thousand dollars in COVID.

00:40:56.76
Adz
Hey, bye-bye.

00:40:57.51
Russell Gibson
They went down and went back up again to 40K, and now it's just on this very steady downhill. It last traded at 5,500. I'm gonna direct comp this to Yokek.

00:41:10.90
Russell Gibson
I know Yokek's trading at the moment around 2,300.

00:41:15.70
Russell Gibson
That's actually really good context, isn't it? And and when you say it like that, it makes Yokek's really undervalued.

00:41:25.21
Adz
it's It's... Mm-hmm.

00:41:27.50
Russell Gibson
Very similar resume when you think about it.

00:41:30.81
Adz
I mean, Yuki just got got him on MVPs.

00:41:34.23
Russell Gibson
They got the same amount of championships, similar sort of market to, you know, Bucks in the East, Denver in the West.

00:41:45.87
Adz
interesting, it's... it's do Do you think the trajectory is gonna stay the same with Janus though?

00:41:52.56
Russell Gibson
I'm looking at this trend here, and so if you go into the last year, he's down 58%.

00:41:57.00
Adz
He's 58%, it's down from 13K to five and a half.

00:41:57.13
Russell Gibson
It's down 7,000.

00:42:06.67
Russell Gibson
So in my head, there's no reason for this to really turn around. and start going up again. I actually think 5000 is very reasonable, but I also think it's quite high.

00:42:18.30
Russell Gibson
So I can understand why people would be getting cold feet a little bit and flipping this out.

00:42:18.69
Adz
True.

00:42:22.76
Russell Gibson
Particularly when you can get two yokics for the same price, like let's, you know, yeah, yeah.

00:42:25.57
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Let's be real about that. that's um

00:42:33.02
Adz
it's It's a tough one.

00:42:33.03
Russell Gibson
Look, I think

00:42:34.75
Adz
For me, for me it's it is a tough one because I think Yarnas has not been forgotten.

00:42:44.92
Adz
But because of the lack of success, people have written the bucks off. This year, I know.

00:42:49.67
Russell Gibson
Which is fair enough.

00:42:50.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah. I mean, they've come good.

00:42:52.65
Russell Gibson
Like the Celtics are getting attention. I think that's definitely worth it.

00:42:57.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:58.76
Russell Gibson
The Cavs have been really good this year. They're 21 and three at the moment. You know, that's fair enough. The magic are a fun story this year, even though we've got some bad magic news.

00:43:07.59
Adz
Well, yeah, I was gonna say there's some bad magic news coming up, isn't there?

00:43:09.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:12.51
Russell Gibson
Hey, we were shitty on the Hawks before they're 13 and 11 at the moment.

00:43:16.93
Adz
They're actually not terrible.

00:43:18.84
Russell Gibson
The fifth in the East.

00:43:20.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:23.06
Russell Gibson
Anyway, the Bucks had a really slow start. They're actually on the last 10 games as seven and three. So, you know.

00:43:30.72
Adz
They're actually, yeah, they're're they're um they're on the rise. They're seven and three in their last 10, yeah.

00:43:36.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:37.32
Adz
Lost a couple, but yeah, they're not down the bottom where a Philly are.

00:43:41.74
Russell Gibson
No. ah This next one is actually from Market Mover's app. Now this is a summary of some of the top Yarnas cards sold. So this is his gold rookie to 10, BGS 9.5. That sold for $528,000.

00:43:58.20
Russell Gibson
ah This next one is the black. So I'm gonna go out into a limb and say that's a one of one. That's his rookie autograph with a sticker on it.

00:44:10.57
Russell Gibson
how that happens, it is like perplexing to me $384,000 for the BGS 9.5. This is his vertical National Treasures RP8 to 99, BGS 9.5 sold for 318K.

00:44:23.16
Adz
Cool.

00:44:26.87
Russell Gibson
Look, so funny to me, I feel like this order is almost back to front. I probably like the NT the best out of all of these.

00:44:35.44
Adz
Really? The gold, I don't know the gold I like.

00:44:37.72
Russell Gibson
Well,

00:44:41.78
Adz
The one of ones tainted by that sticker, you're right.

00:44:44.82
Russell Gibson
But the gold is amazing. Like don't get me wrong, but I don't think that should be $200,000 more than the NT.

00:44:51.60
Adz
The NT is numbered to 99, but that's a chunky beautiful patch though, isn't it?

00:44:55.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And it's a 9.5 too. Like it's quite hard to gem those. Anyway.

00:45:03.82
Adz
I think long-term, you're right.

00:45:08.16
Adz
Like I think down the track that one will sell for more, as long as Yana succeeds again.

00:45:13.01
Russell Gibson
Interesting. I really struggle with those numbers because in my head that's just, it's like monopoly money, you know?

00:45:20.74
Adz
Very much so, yeah.

00:45:21.39
Russell Gibson
It's crazy stuff. All righty, let's do one more and we'll go to our last break. Now, this might be done and run, so this might have been too late, but I've had this sitting in the sheet for a couple of weeks now.

00:45:32.52
Russell Gibson
This is from Slabstocks. This is about Cooper Flag, who was just lighting the college arenas on fire at the moment, projected to be the number one pick in 2025.

00:45:41.12
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:43.77
Russell Gibson
He's going to be number one pick. Even if the Wizards get the number one pick, they can't lock this one up. They're going to pick him at number one.

00:45:51.61
Adz
Yeah, I agree.

00:45:52.91
Russell Gibson
His first Bowman University card is now releasing. So very similar to that USA basketball release that they did.

00:45:59.81
Adz
The, yeah.

00:46:02.90
Russell Gibson
One lucky player

00:46:03.15
Adz
Interesting that i've I've heard nothing about the, the the

00:46:06.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think also the avatars and this has been a little bit weird. So maybe it hasn't come out yet and I'm worrying about nothing. One lucky buyer will receive his sneaker patch autograph one of one in the order. How many base cards do you think they were bought? So what that's referring to is last time you had One or two weeks to get your orders in and that's however many orders in was how many base cards they would make so they were Making them to demand and then they'll randomly then put in inserts and autographs into it and then it is this instance They're gonna put a patch autograph into it, too.

00:46:31.01
Adz
and

00:46:39.41
Adz
So clever. They're testing the water. This is so clever.

00:46:45.50
Russell Gibson
I Actually have no problem with this because They're giving people

00:46:48.50
Adz
Oh, no, they're not problematic.

00:46:51.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're giving people what they want and they're making a product that people want and people chase. That kind of the cool thing too, is that if only a thousand orders got put in, then it's like one in a thousand chances of getting a one of one.

00:47:06.86
Russell Gibson
Like that is, that also appeals to me too.

00:47:10.04
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

00:47:13.34
Russell Gibson
Not that.

00:47:13.39
Adz
But even if with with holograms and variations and all kinds of things, it's...

00:47:16.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:47:20.98
Adz
Credit where credit's due, this is this is a really smart move.

00:47:23.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:24.68
Adz
i think I think this is one of the things that tops will do well. And I don't think Panini did it well.

00:47:31.70
Russell Gibson
No, definitely.

00:47:32.38
Adz
um Panini Instant was just...

00:47:32.42
Russell Gibson
they They completely dropped the ball. They were just base cards.

00:47:36.95
Adz
It was trash.

00:47:38.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:38.48
Adz
This... is that product done right.

00:47:42.27
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

00:47:44.42
Adz
And you're right, they're making it to demand, so they're not putting junk onto the market. Can you imagine how many packs of Bowman University you'd have to buy to satisfy that need?

00:47:55.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:57.33
Adz
They're not, they're just making the one player.

00:47:59.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:48:01.39
Adz
So they're actually not overproducing. I mean, sure, you're putting a lot of it into the market, but then you've got your power the value becomes the parallels in the and the one-of-one.

00:48:12.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:13.68
Adz
So they're actually being rather clever with the way they're making products. I think they'll keep doing this.

00:48:19.16
Russell Gibson
Oh, no doubt.

00:48:21.27
Adz
They'll be dip adult they'll move the they'll they'll move the yeah needle a little bit to see if different things work.

00:48:27.26
Russell Gibson
No doubt. No doubt. This is just the beginning.

00:48:28.90
Adz
um

00:48:29.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:30.62
Adz
But I think, yeah, it's a really good start and it's ah it's a, yeah, great idea. Enjoy, it yeah.

00:48:36.82
Russell Gibson
Last time I didn't go in it because I said I don't collect Team USA, so I'm not interested. But I had massive FOMO when people started to get their packets back. I'm definitely buying into this. And well, actually, I quite like college products.

00:48:46.81
Adz
You're buying Cooper flag.

00:48:52.92
Russell Gibson
I like the price point entry.

00:48:53.58
Adz
o Nothing wrong with that.

00:48:55.55
Russell Gibson
It's a good way for me to educate myself because I don't watch college. So I have traditionally used that product to educate myself and get my head around the names and start looking at people, stuff like that.

00:49:04.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:05.36
Russell Gibson
So definitely I'll be going into this. I know I'm not going to get an autograph, but it'll still be. I saw the fun that people had opening their packs. And so I'm just like, I want in on the action.

00:49:15.58
Adz
once so You want to get some of that.

00:49:18.41
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. U.S. SportsCarts Australia, thank you so much for your ongoing and long pledge support. It's going to be at at least another six more months. I am going to talk about Ross's water pistols because in Australia, if you're listening in the Northern Hemisphere, it is hot as anything down here. U.S. SportsCarts Australia dot.com.au go to his section. If you go on the three noodles, click on toys.

00:49:46.61
Russell Gibson
it will take you straight to the water pistols.

00:49:55.91
Adz
the Jet Soaker electric water guns.

00:49:55.92
Russell Gibson
um Alrighty, here we go. That's the one. $15 a piece, you can get it in blue, red, orange and pink. It is battery powered, USB charged.

00:50:08.62
Russell Gibson
Automatic induction water absorption absorption burst water gun. I mean, look at this. Like when I was a kid, it was just kind of like a bit of a squirt. Now they've literally powered up. So yeah, check it out.

00:50:19.04
Russell Gibson
Great for your summer are hot days to keep you cool. Ross will make sure that your order gets delivered to you perfectly.

00:50:26.94
Adz
My favorite's the red one.

00:50:28.44
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:50:29.65
Adz
Looks like the flash, the lightning looks like...

00:50:32.00
Russell Gibson
All right. I know where to get you for Christmas now.

00:50:35.88
Adz
I'm

00:50:37.72
Russell Gibson
Alrighty mate, we are back. How are you doing?

00:50:40.10
Adz
good, I'm good. Ready for the final stretch.

00:50:42.74
Russell Gibson
Yep. And let's talk WNBA right now. There is a WNBA expansion team on the horizon. I'm really excited about this. I think this is great for women's basketball. I think this is really good for the the worldwide spread of it.

00:51:01.98
Russell Gibson
And I also like that they're going to say, Canada, but I'd like to see them go even further than that. I'd like to see them say, go to London or go to Mexico, you know, something like this.

00:51:13.79
Russell Gibson
Like they've already done some experimental stuff with don't maybe like have a team in the aces. Sorry, in Las Vegas.

00:51:19.07
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:21.09
Russell Gibson
And so I think that has to be on the horizon for MBA. To me, that's an absolute home run, no brainer, all the rest of it. So

00:51:28.90
Adz
v Vegas will be the expansion for for the NBA at some point.

00:51:32.30
Russell Gibson
They have to be. I have to, especially now they got gambling, like just, you know, why aren't they there, you know?

00:51:35.01
Adz
So so the Raptors have assisted the team now.

00:51:41.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:42.32
Adz
We've got the Toronto Tempo and the Toronto Raptors.

00:51:45.19
Russell Gibson
Perfect. What do you think about the name Tempo?

00:51:45.99
Adz
Awesome.

00:51:47.13
Russell Gibson
We were talking about this in the group chat the other day. People weren't a fan.

00:51:51.38
Adz
um It doesn't seem very easy to represent in in mascot land, that's for sure. I don't know. Yeah, it's a bit 50-50. I would have called them like the tornadoes.

00:52:11.08
Russell Gibson
Are there tornadoes in Toronto?

00:52:12.81
Adz
No, but it's similar, but you know what I mean? Is there thunder in Oklahoma City?

00:52:18.34
Russell Gibson
I think a lot of it, isn't there?

00:52:19.90
Adz
Probably. I don't know. Sure, umve I've never been to Toronto. Who knows?

00:52:25.75
Russell Gibson
They could have done like the, um, maybe, uh,

00:52:26.04
Adz
Maybe that's why they got the tempo, because that's all there is. It's just tempo. Everything's just tempo in Toronto.

00:52:38.67
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, our ah next talking point is about nebulas. And so this is an article from alt x y z official. And basically, I'm not going to read through all this because it'll just take a little bit too long. And I want to keep this a little bit snappy.

00:52:54.23
Russell Gibson
He's basically making the argument that the true one of one has now become the nebula. And part of the reason for that is because the other one of ones are black, but black, black can also be other numbered cards too.

00:52:59.58
Adz
Ooh, okay.

00:53:07.78
Russell Gibson
And that they've basically diluted down the black by cross making, yeah, cross printing or cross making other cards that cards also have black but aren't one of one.

00:53:10.50
Adz
Printing.

00:53:20.73
Russell Gibson
So I kind of get what he's saying. and I think that the Nebula is iconic, but for me, where I'm sort of not fully on board with this is that it doesn't come out of the true hobby product. and so Where I'm going with this is that the Nebulas come out of choice. They don't come out of the huge hobby box that you know maybe more people are familiar with that you've opened from Prism. so

00:53:49.86
Adz
that I have to say I've never pulled a ah black or a nebula. But yeah, I think the fact that it's in choice makes it problematic.

00:54:03.01
Russell Gibson
If you pull one, but it's not for you, it's for someone you've done in a break. Have, have you technically pulled one or have you just handled it for somebody else? I feel like that's always a technicality for me.

00:54:12.07
Adz
I pulled it at a break.

00:54:16.47
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:54:16.90
Adz
It's not your car.

00:54:17.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's definitely not my color, but I've definitely ripped it in a break and that's what I can say, isn't it?

00:54:18.94
Adz
You ripped it for sure, yeah. You can say you've ripped one, yeah.

00:54:22.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway.

00:54:25.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:25.68
Russell Gibson
Anyway, let's go back to this post with, with segue as, as always.

00:54:29.61
Adz
Yeah, i I like the, I like the undertone of what he's trying to say.

00:54:38.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:39.33
Adz
But until the Nebula is in a different product, I i would say it can't really be the flagship one of one. And I think in this day and age where there are more one of ones than there are parallels, um yeah, the the having having a flagship one like the Nebula is is a good makes a lot of sense.

00:54:56.79
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:55:05.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think he makes a good argument. i I'm just not 100% on board with it. I think where this came into his mind is the Jalen Brunson one that sold for $96,000 like, you know, insane numbers on a pretty middling guy.

00:55:10.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:19.61
Russell Gibson
I think if we're being honest about this,

00:55:21.61
Adz
Yep.

00:55:21.88
Russell Gibson
He then went back and summarized a whole bunch of other sales. So in 2022, the Steph Curry Nebula, obviously not a rookie in this instance, but that sold for $144,000.

00:55:26.72
Adz
yeah Yep.

00:55:31.65
Russell Gibson
Now the Luca Doncic one, that sold for $40,000 in 2018.

00:55:33.75
Adz
I need the 20 I take. Can you imagine how much that'd be worth now?

00:55:39.08
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah. which is So if you comp that to the the Brunson, you say it's so worth at least five times a Brunson, right? At least. So you're talking half a million dollars. You would expect that to currently sell for

00:55:51.00
Adz
Hell of an investment, isn't it?

00:55:52.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The other one that he had in his video, but I can't find the price on it was the lamello ball. And I think, you know, again, if you're copying that to the Bronson, you would expect that the ball would go for more than the Bronson.

00:56:04.07
Adz
Block, oh yeah, I think ball's a risky one though.

00:56:05.65
Russell Gibson
I know it is the ball is a rookie card. Yeah. So definitely that should go for more than Bronson. Yeah.

00:56:12.67
Adz
Is it Brunson a rookie card though?

00:56:13.10
Russell Gibson
You don't reckon the Bronson's a rookie. Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:17.53
Adz
I don't know, act currently I'd say Brunson's probably ahead.

00:56:21.39
Russell Gibson
Wow.

00:56:23.02
Adz
Well, Ball's been injured and he's playing for the second worst team in the East.

00:56:28.75
Russell Gibson
OK.

00:56:31.37
Adz
I'm saying eventually, unless something turns around in Charlotte, this kid's gonna be playing for a, look he's gonna be a great player on a shit team for a while.

00:56:37.66
Russell Gibson
I feel like this is actually a really good talking point.

00:56:40.09
Adz
Okay.

00:56:40.13
Russell Gibson
We need and we need to do a poll on this this week and then we'll revisit this again next week, honestly, because

00:56:47.62
Russell Gibson
I off the top of my head, I don't agree with it, but then the more I think about it, I get what your argument is and what you're trying to say.

00:56:53.99
Adz
Yeah, but that's it like the injury, the like the the the curse of being a ball. Like Lonzo, Lonzo's obviously done cooked because of his injury history, but Lamello's back.

00:57:04.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:06.10
Adz
But I mean, if he plays for Charlotte, he's really probably not getting any props for anything.

00:57:10.18
Russell Gibson
Like Brunson's a little engine that could, he just sort of keeps motoring along and, you know, his hobby value just slowly trickles up. Whereas I think Ball's got the higher ceiling, but yeah, he's also got.

00:57:19.88
Adz
But i don't I don't think playing in Charlotte's gonna get him to the roof.

00:57:23.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:57:26.01
Adz
to to to to sort of out of context talk about mike what something Michael Jordan said.

00:57:32.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:33.97
Adz
He's not finding a ceiling there in Charlotte.

00:57:36.05
Russell Gibson
No.

00:57:38.79
Russell Gibson
Alright, we are going to talk about the pelicans, but we are not going to talk about.

00:57:42.88
Adz
They're injuries.

00:57:44.99
Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about injuries, but we're not going to talk about a person with initials Z and W because I promised and I'm trying my best not to mention his name. And then I just typed his name in when I was supposed to be typing in Herbert Jones. This is like, this is going to kill me. I know I'm going to muck this one up, but bear with me, peeps. Alrighty. This is from bobbymarks at bobbymarks42. I've already told you guys to follow him on Twitter already. If you haven't done that, full on you. But if you want to follow him, he is absolutely amazing.

00:58:14.22
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. New Orleans drops there. Eight straight games now. Four and seventeen. Here are their trade assets entering December. Brandon Ingram at thirty six million dollars. Person who won't be named at thirty six million dollars. CJ McCollum at thirty three. Dejaunte Murray at twenty nine point five. Herb Jones at thirteen. Jordan Hawkins at four point five. There's a couple more down the bottom there which we won't talk about.

00:58:39.09
Russell Gibson
ah Trey Murphy, the third, with a poison pill, which basically means that when you trade them, their salary goes up by $5.1 million. dollars That's the best way to say it.

00:58:49.64
Adz
Okay.

00:58:49.90
Russell Gibson
Not eligible is Alfred Payton. They actually waived him yesterday, so he's gone.

00:58:56.03
Russell Gibson
Draft assets. This is what I want to talk to you about. They own their first in the next seven years with an asterisk. If it's one to four this year,

00:59:07.13
Russell Gibson
it'll go to the bucks. In 2026, they have the right to swap with the bucks. So Milwaukee, or does that mean that they'll get the bucks pick?

00:59:14.05
Adz
okay

00:59:26.17
Adz
ah But they own their first pick plus they own the 2025 Milwaukee pick And they have the rights in 26 to swap with But yeah, I was gonna say they're not

00:59:32.41
Russell Gibson
Maybe that's what that means.

00:59:37.33
Russell Gibson
Oh, geez. Okay. For a second, I was like, I was really confused and and also concerned at the same time. All right. So the record at the moment is five and 19. They're currently the worst team in the West at the moment. They're not the worst team in the East because the the Wizards are in existence, but I almost, I've got the feeling now they're going to tank. And if they're going to tank, they'll make some trades. I can't see any

01:00:02.55
Adz
I don't see any upside to the pelicans.

01:00:05.23
Russell Gibson
secondary scenario playing out here. Like now they're in this point, they're not going to make it back into the playoffs. The the West is just an absolute nightmare.

01:00:12.90
Adz
and do yeah They can replace Zion with Cooper Flack.

01:00:13.06
Russell Gibson
There's always one team per year that the wheels fall off and it's the Pelicans this year.

01:00:19.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. You said his name, not me, by the way. I'm trying my hardest here to to keep out of this. I think Ingram, he demanded 50 million.

01:00:30.63
Russell Gibson
So they've they've already put him on the trade block. that's That's public knowledge. That's not even, you know, the funny thing is CJ McCollum, Dejonta, Mari, I don't reckon there's going to be that many takers for those two guys.

01:00:34.56
Adz
Yeah, they're not prepared to pay. Yeah.

01:00:42.17
Russell Gibson
Like they're kind of like,

01:00:42.20
Adz
Nope.

01:00:44.59
Russell Gibson
really heavily, heavily paid Dalton connects.

01:00:44.89
Adz
What's the John? Yeah, I don't know.

01:00:47.47
Russell Gibson
You know what I mean? Like, you know what they are. They're shooters and scorers. I mean, Dejante Moer can play a little bit of D, but they're not particularly great defensive players.

01:00:54.91
Adz
29 million for Dejante is just, yeah.

01:00:57.98
Russell Gibson
It's out of this world, isn't it?

01:00:59.59
Adz
Yep. And even the Lakers can't make an offer. ah What are you gonna do? Gabe gave up Gabe Vincent and D'Angelo Russell to get DeGente?

01:01:10.10
Russell Gibson
No, I don't think so.

01:01:11.44
Adz
Pelicans don't do that.

01:01:13.58
Russell Gibson
I hope not. So I think we should talk a little bit of card value here. So I've been talking about Herb Jones for a little while. His value really hasn't moved up at all. In fact, it's probably might have even gone down a little bit.

01:01:26.81
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:26.98
Russell Gibson
I found a couple of cards here. Herb Jones Dragon from Optic optic Choice that sold for 35 USD. That has got an absolutely monster print line across it.

01:01:37.41
Russell Gibson
So that's probably why it's sold for so cheap. Uh, the Prism Red, this is Raw, numbered to 299. This is, again, his rookie card. That was for six USD. That's actually a really good buy.

01:01:49.48
Russell Gibson
I'm a little bit jealous about that.

01:01:50.30
Adz
Could pick up there, yeah, for sure.

01:01:51.80
Russell Gibson
I think the other one to talk about too is, is Trey Murphy. I think that he has got a lot of potential.

01:02:01.35
Adz
Hmm.

01:02:01.62
Russell Gibson
And I feel like when you talk to people about the prospects on the Palakins, you're either Trey Murphy or your Herb Jones. So,

01:02:10.62
Russell Gibson
Let's just, you know, cover our two bases here. Trey Murphy 2122,

01:02:17.66
Russell Gibson
numbered 23 out of 35.

01:02:20.82
Adz
Okay.

01:02:21.74
Russell Gibson
What's the PSA number on this? I can't really read it. Maybe it's nine. That's sold for 81 USD. Now this is his PSA 10 Optic Silver rookie card and that's sold for 20 USD, which is probably about the same price that Herb Jones is selling for at the moment actually.

01:02:35.71
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:37.38
Russell Gibson
So they're pretty comparable at the moment. Look, um I'm actually, I'm probably cooling off a little bit on Herb Jones because I was hoping for a bit more fireworks this year.

01:02:47.02
Adz
More.

01:02:48.03
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to lie to you, but I also think too that the Palakins situation at the moment is is pretty bad.

01:02:49.59
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:54.47
Russell Gibson
So you can play this in two ways. You can say, look, he's been, so we're talking about Herb Jones at the moment. You can say, look, he's old defensive team the last couple of years already.

01:02:59.98
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:03.93
Russell Gibson
He's definitely becoming a better shooter, a better playmaker.

01:03:07.33
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.

01:03:08.19
Russell Gibson
You might say, look, now now is a good opportunity to buy this kid, you know, how bad the Pelicans are.

01:03:08.69
Adz
I can see that for sure. Yeah.

01:03:13.03
Russell Gibson
And also, they're not going to be motivated to win this year. Like at all.

01:03:17.94
Adz
yeah Yeah.

01:03:19.14
Russell Gibson
so

01:03:19.39
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:22.03
Russell Gibson
Let's finish today's show on a positive note. And I've got a question for you. Are the Rockets a professional basketball team? Because the last last year, they definitely improved. The year before that, I would not have called them an NBA team. I would have called them a G League team this year, however.

01:03:39.16
Adz
Can I have some context to the question? Because they like they're registered as ah as a team in the NBA, which would suggest that they are a professional basketball team.

01:03:46.75
Russell Gibson
This year, they are 15 and eight in an absolute murderous rural Western conference.

01:03:49.05
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:50.86
Russell Gibson
Like that is an amazing record and also, again, far exceeding expectations in my mind.

01:03:57.77
Adz
Are they and we know how things can how quickly things can change not to sound pessimistic They've they've started there they've um The launch has gone well to keep with the terms of the rocket side of things, but they've launched They've launched well at the beginning of the season.

01:04:00.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, let's talk about right now, though. Let's talk about right now. Yeah.

01:04:10.33
Russell Gibson
I like it. I like what you did there. Yeah.

01:04:15.06
Adz
Let's just hope that there's not a crash.

01:04:15.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:19.45
Adz
I Don't know. I think I think there's a still a lot of work for some of those younger players On the roster.

01:04:19.77
Russell Gibson
OK.

01:04:26.24
Adz
I don't I don't have a lot of

01:04:29.97
Adz
Confidence I personally didn't see them coming out of the blocks this strong I would like to I would like to reserve judgment until at least all-star weekend But I would make oh I would I'd be watching this space kind of thing to see how they progress through the next month They're doing well

01:04:35.19
Russell Gibson
No, I did not predict this at all. I wouldn't have thought they would have made the playoffs this year, to be honest. So if they make the playoffs. Sure.

01:04:55.94
Russell Gibson
So last year, what happened was Shenguin got injured and Jalen Green played really well, whereas this year and then there was the the trade talks. Should they move Shenguin?

01:05:05.88
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:05:06.70
Russell Gibson
So that happened. This year, actually, they're playing at the same time.

01:05:08.90
Adz
Yep.

01:05:09.37
Russell Gibson
They're playing pretty well together. And and Jalen Green has been really good. So I think we should start there.

01:05:14.44
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:14.78
Russell Gibson
Silver PSA 10 rookie last sold for $156. If you're looking at the last year, he's down 5%.

01:05:19.84
Adz
Yep.

01:05:22.13
Russell Gibson
However, if you zoom in a little bit more to the last three months, he's actually down 20% in the last three months, which to me is fascinating because I would have thought someone like this who in my mind was overhyped, overpriced already, I would have thought this is the type of card that would spike up, you know, when someone starts to play well and also the team's playing well.

01:05:30.70
Adz
Wow.

01:05:42.09
Russell Gibson
but

01:05:42.72
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:43.22
Russell Gibson
Again, the narrative sometimes is reversed. Now, if we look at the other piece in this pod, Shen goon is not on card ladder.

01:05:47.20
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:50.81
Russell Gibson
So this is from 130point.com.

01:05:53.81
Adz
yeah

01:05:54.16
Russell Gibson
This sold on the 8th of December. So literally in the last 24 hours, this sold for $152, which is virtually dollar for dollar what Jalen Greene is currently selling for, which I think is a really fun thing that you've got two young prospects, very different, you know, sides of the coin.

01:06:07.32
Adz
yeah

01:06:11.69
Russell Gibson
Like this is like, Nikola Jokic versus Kobe Bryant. and Sorry, Nikola Jokic versus Kobe Bryant in sort of some you know weird way. Do you know what I mean? Like you've got sort of the earthbound guy and you've got this high flying guard sort of running around.

01:06:24.83
Russell Gibson
So look.

01:06:26.45
Adz
It's true. I don't know. I like green. um But I think Shanguin's shown a little bit more like value-wise. I don't know.

01:06:37.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, you can't

01:06:38.04
Adz
Baby Yokichim is being the coined nickname, isn't it?

01:06:45.73
Russell Gibson
Like, I personally think it's a fun comparison, but I think that Yo-Kik is so good that it's a little bit insulting also to Yo-Kik.

01:06:48.74
Adz
Mmm.

01:06:53.71
Russell Gibson
And I'm saying that in a very, you know, jovial sort of way, but I think it's, it's rough to put those two in the same sentence at the same time. There's some comparisons there, but to me it's very limited.

01:07:05.50
Russell Gibson
I actually really like, I actually like the direct comp of Jaylen Green to Shingoon.

01:07:05.58
Adz
Yeah, sure, sure.

01:07:09.77
Russell Gibson
Like that price, you know, which one would you have at this point in time? Would you take the shangoon or would you take the green?

01:07:18.38
Adz
Oh, what type?

01:07:21.70
Russell Gibson
Because I actually, so my suspicion is that the rockets will go with green instead of shangoon because defensively shangoon isn't fantastic.

01:07:31.99
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:32.96
Russell Gibson
He's rebounding numbers are good. He's shot blocking to me is, I don't even know what his numbers are, but at the top of my head, I don't, really perceive him as a shot blocking guy.

01:07:43.89
Russell Gibson
I don't even really perceive him as like a rim protector actually at all. So.

01:07:47.64
Adz
Do you know, can you find Shingoon on card letter?

01:07:51.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:52.82
Adz
Or do you have to put it with the accent?

01:07:55.43
Russell Gibson
I just googled his name and copied and pasted that into it. he The way his name is spelled is a little bit weird.

01:07:59.10
Adz
Ah, that would, yeah, okay.

01:08:03.67
Adz
That's fair, oh.

01:08:04.57
Russell Gibson
Look, I actually, what I could imagine is, okay, sort of what's similar to the Cavs have got, they've got two athletic big guys up the front and they got smaller guards who can score it at the other end, right? Like that pairing to me in Houston makes sense, and particularly with their coaching staff.

01:08:22.95
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

01:08:24.07
Russell Gibson
You know, he likes sort of tough-minded, you know, defensive guys. Ah, I actually think, so my prediction would be is that Shangroon gets moved on.

01:08:33.60
Adz
You reckon?

01:08:35.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, if they if they do have to make a choice between the two, I'm completely speculating here just for fun.

01:08:42.10
Adz
Yeah, okay. Yeah.

01:08:45.45
Russell Gibson
I love what Yudok has done here, by the way. I think we have to give him a shout out too. I think this was just, what a fantastic hire for the Rockets.

01:08:53.51
Adz
The rockets are doing incredibly well and and it was, yeah, it's still a little bit, it's just, it's a surprise.

01:08:55.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:09:06.46
Adz
To me, it's a surprise.

01:09:06.70
Russell Gibson
final Final thoughts, my friend. We're at that hour mark already.

01:09:12.07
Adz
Yeah, ah final thoughts, what, for the rockets?

01:09:16.04
Russell Gibson
You can do the rockets, you can do anything you like.

01:09:18.60
Adz
Well, like let's let's hope the, um yeah, the the rockets, maintain their course for for their sake. um And let's hope that the things start to write themselves in in Los Angeles, because I don't like this whole Clippers being the better team in LA thing.

01:09:41.35
Russell Gibson
I mean, yeah, that's fair. Uh, let's really quickly talk about our YouTube giveaway. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Please subscribe. Uh, once we get to 150 subscribers, we're going to randomize all the names and we're going to give away a box of NBA revolution hobby. We were hooked up with that from the boys at fast break trading cards.

01:10:03.64
Adz
So get everybody in your family to subscribe. Why not? Just get up the subscriptions.

01:10:06.24
Russell Gibson
We, We'd like to do a giveaway. You have to do your part, though, for the giveaway to happen. And as soon as we get to that 150, we're going to do another giveaway.

01:10:11.05
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
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01:10:20.42
Adz
Yeah. Well, you can turn them off. You don't have to have them on. We don't want ah we don't want to pester you too much.

01:10:24.43
Russell Gibson
No, no, turn them on. We want people to ah to tune in because you've done a lot of good work on their two ads.

01:10:25.79
Adz
but

01:10:28.75
Russell Gibson
So that's the other thing I want to mention.

01:10:29.64
Adz
But yeah, yeah, jump on, like our videos, jump, make comments, let give us some feedback.

01:10:31.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:10:33.76
Adz
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01:10:34.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Razz is a little bit. Yeah.

01:10:38.93
Adz
If you want us to make specific videos for YouTube.

01:10:40.99
Russell Gibson
We will do content on demand. yeah

01:10:43.17
Adz
We will, we will. Or on the show and then do it little extra bits on demand.

01:10:49.85
Russell Gibson
Thank you, everybody. Have a great day.

01:10:52.31
Adz
Thanks guys, see you next week.