176: Brunson vs LaMelo, Fake Patches, Jokic, and WNBA Gold Vinyl

Episode 176

Brunson vs LaMelo: A heated comparison across Facebook, SCN, and Instagram! Who’s your pick?   Facebook, SCN Facebook:   Instagram
Who are you chasing this year?
PSA Die Cut Holders  Are they a game-changer? 
Jokic card summary Is the Joker still undervalued?
Part 3 of our Fake card chats: Fake Patch
Fake Wemby: Instagram
Fake Wemby Facebook
Adam’s Cards:   Celebrating the Revolutionaries set!
Kobe vs Ja  A generational comparison for collectors.  
Gem Rate Summary  Grading trends to watch.  
Shaqfoo  Shaq card highlight.
WNBA Gold vinyl PSA 10  A rare pair that’s making waves.    
Trade News: Heat trading Thomas Bryant & Dennis Schroder.
Is it the right time to buy?
Yves Missi  Rising star on our radar.  
Card vs card: Jordan vs Brandon Miller

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Adz
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 176 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts Adam Aimee and Russell Gibson.

00:00:24.92
Adz
And Christmas is in the air. Is it?

00:00:28.10
Russell Gibson
I'm pumped up. I'm not pumped up about Christmas.

00:00:28.99
Adz
Is it?

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Russell Gibson
So as far as I'm concerned, Christmas is the 25th of December and that's it.

00:00:30.59
Adz
No, you pumped up.

00:00:33.80
Russell Gibson
None of these nonsense one month before Christmas carols.

00:00:35.16
Adz
ah I don't know. Christmas might be a few days away for the Milwaukee Bucks or the Oklahoma City Thunder in the in-season tournament.

00:00:45.60
Russell Gibson
I thought the Hawks played well today, actually.

00:00:45.86
Adz
Their Christmas could come early.

00:00:47.77
Russell Gibson
I was pretty happy for them.

00:00:50.12
Adz
Look, I think they've they've made a great effort to get where they are. Same as the Rockets really, like to to to to get this far in the,

00:00:54.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:58.23
Adz
in this small, we won't call it insignificant, this little this little show they put on early season, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It's fun. Yeah, it's a bit of fun. Nothing more than that.

00:01:06.15
Adz
Darvin Hamm's still undefeated.

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Russell Gibson
Come on.

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Adz
Oh, it's great, it's great.

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Russell Gibson
You can make up a stat about anything these days, can't you?

00:01:17.59
Adz
That man's got ah a hell of a record in the in-season tournament.

00:01:23.50
Russell Gibson
Let's get straight into it. a I think we've got heaps to get through this week, so we don't really need to do the small talk too much.

00:01:27.37
Adz
You have been a busy bee on socials this week by the look of it.

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Russell Gibson
Thank you. So the key is to use the scheduler.

00:01:33.78
Adz
So awesome. The schedule is the the way to go, you like your bang, ba bang, bang.

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Russell Gibson
It's only taken me 174 episodes to work it out, but here I am. I've now mastered the scheduler.

00:01:44.29
Adz
You're mastering, but becoming a master of the scheduled post.

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Russell Gibson
So last week we had some small talk and it came to a conversation about Lamallo versus Jalen Brunson. And you were of the opinion that Brunson was the better purchase, which took me by surprise. So I thought,

00:02:05.26
Russell Gibson
If it's debate for us, I'm sure other people will be at least half interested in this.

00:02:05.40
Adz
I just...

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Russell Gibson
So we put up a post on to sports cards nonsense and I did edit out the you can't comp this logo so that the admin would approve the post.

00:02:09.75
Adz
oh Did you then add it back in and edit it back in?

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Russell Gibson
But as a bit of a sneaky, that's a really good idea. I should have done that.

00:02:23.80
Adz
Edit the post after they approve it and change the the thing.

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Russell Gibson
That's some, um, some high level espionage, isn't it really?

00:02:28.72
Adz
Next level espionage, because I'm sure that'll impact their ah community.

00:02:30.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't think so. ah any So if we go to our Facebook page, so you can't comp this NBA trading card podcast, we've got a group. um Please jump onto that and you can read through some of the comments. So starting at the top with Anthony Milne. G'day, Anthony. For the flip, Lamallo.

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Russell Gibson
Now, Ryan Miller put in a really long answer, but actually didn't really answer the question. And this is a bit of a theme as we go through all this. So if you scroll down a little bit.

00:03:09.88
Adz
We have some buy-in from some of our our listeners here. This is it's true some interesting back and forth.

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Russell Gibson
If you go right down to his comment section here, okay, so then I pressed him. You can't sit on the fence, you know, what's your answer?

00:03:23.16
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Even at double the price, I'm going lamello and holding and just backing the Hornets, not to be awful in a couple of years. He needs success to go up short term. It's easily Brunson given they should be in their top four come playoffs time and there'll be a boost there.

00:03:37.30
Russell Gibson
Damn, I did it again. Purely financial risk versus reward. I'm going Brunson. So I think his final answer was Brunson. So let's just go with that.

00:03:44.98
Adz
yeah Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I don't think we can read through all of it, but it was a really good answer, Ryan. So thank you so much. We appreciate that.

00:03:52.77
Adz
Yeah, it's a good, that's ah it's a nice one. I noticed Anthony Milne actually was jumping in on that on that thread, writing writinging through the through the comments.

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Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Yeah. We can skip Ados's one ad because he actually didn't answer the question. He just

00:04:10.88
Adz
Oh, it's literally, there's the debate. They're having the discussion. they They're having our discussion in the chat.

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Russell Gibson
That's not the question. and The question is, which one do you want?

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And it makes it impossible, especially when you're doing it a tally. You know what I mean? So guys, like, uh, help a brother out here.

00:04:25.70
Adz
Yeah. Pick a lane, guys. Pick a lane, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
and We're trying to do it. That's right.

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Adz
I mean, give us the debate, but answer the question as well.

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Russell Gibson
You want to do Luke Rose?

00:04:39.57
Adz
Luke Rode. Okay. Hang on, wait, what? Brandon Miller, Ayman Thompson. So did they get a vote each or Brunson by a B's weiner?

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Russell Gibson
ah

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Adz
I'd even go Cam Whitmore and either get back on another team or snaffle him up. Brunson by a B's weiner.

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Russell Gibson
So, actually, I think Luke's is a perfect answer because he's got a bit of banter in there, but then he actually answers the question. You know what I mean? So, Eidos, you need to be paying attention to.

00:05:09.29
Adz
Correct.

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Russell Gibson
um

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Adz
I saw it, did you see what ah what Jerry's response to that? Look, amen to that. Very, very clever there, very clever.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Uh, Daniel's got JB and Paul's style. They're both hot for some reason. Lamello isn't as hot as he should be for what he does.

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Russell Gibson
Both great bullets and stats to back it up.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
Uh, and then he's answer ended up being Jalen Brunson. So thanks guys. We, absolutely.

00:05:39.32
Adz
You really had to hold people to the to account with this one, didn't you? There were a lot, the fence was just not dealing with the intense amount of weight of our listeners not not picking one or the other.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
The sports cards nonsense replies with a lot more direct than what we had on our page. So I think um the the guys from our page maybe know us a little bit better and and know we like to sort of segue as much as we can.

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Russell Gibson
so But basically, I think we can probably skim through this a little bit now.

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Adz
tre True, true.

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Adz
What, Jalen?

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Russell Gibson
is

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Adz
It could have written JB, I guess, to be a little bit shorter, right?

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Russell Gibson
Any of these you want to read out?

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Adz
Yeah, um Adam Amy said, Russell Gibson, surely the tide title of ultimate hype versus substance debate is Luca versus Jokic.

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Russell Gibson
So technically you didn't answer it either, but next week we can do this one for you. I had no problems at all.

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Adz
let's ah let's Let's table that one for a future one. But I'll go Brunson anyway.

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Russell Gibson
I think Ryan Jameson's one is actually worth reading this one out because LaMalo is far better talent than Bronson, but the delusions of grandeur Nick's fans possess might keep Bronson prices higher. So I think that's actually a really interesting take it.

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Russell Gibson
And at the end of the day, that might be the truest thing that's, you know, happening here.

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Adz
Mmm.

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Russell Gibson
Lamello has definitely got an insane amount of talent. I think the thing that's gonna, yeah.

00:07:01.80
Adz
I think he's ceiling. Lamello's ceiling is higher. I'm i'm not gonna argue with that at all.

00:07:06.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think realistically, the thing that holds him back for me is the the injuries and then the team. And so

00:07:14.74
Adz
Sort of a double-edged sword for him, really, isn't it?

00:07:16.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Whereas with Brunson, he's pretty reliable player when it comes to injuries and being on the court.

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Adz
Mmm.

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Russell Gibson
And as Ryan pointed out, the Knicks fans are just all in, aren't they?

00:07:24.42
Adz
Nope. and the Knicks have been relatively successful. Yeah, I mean, they're just delusional as Lakers fans.

00:07:28.95
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:07:34.59
Adz
I can say that, being deluded.

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Russell Gibson
ah Brian Tran, I prefer Brunson Horn, it's not good enough to make it to the playoffs, the Knicks will be in the mix, which will add value to you.

00:07:42.39
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
So that's a funny one too, because we've, we've looked at this multiple times, and it's actually not a home run that someone makes the playoffs and the value goes up, it actually can be the opposite way.

00:07:52.76
Adz
i don't think I actually don't think making the playoffs is the bar.

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Russell Gibson
I think it's the bar if people are buying him in the season and planning to sell them at the end of the year, you know, for the playoffs, see Jason Tatum.

00:08:02.64
Adz
Yeah, but but but but I just think you need you can't be a round one exit from the playoffs and that be good enough.

00:08:05.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:11.36
Adz
I think it's ah think you've got to get to like a conference final at least and have a serious amount of impact before before the the playoffs mean something.

00:08:11.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like if you're a superstar, you get your team to the, I don't know, East or Western Conference Finals, well this duo, it's it's the Eastern Conference, you get to the Eastern Conference Finals because of your amazing play to win a seven game series and then you you miss the mark and take it to a seven game series, then you're on the map, right?

00:08:33.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:08:45.24
Adz
You get swept out in the first round, no one's, it's really not gonna help your prices at all.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I definitely do. I understand what you're saying with that. But I probably think at the end of the day, Like to me, the take home from that though, is it's just not a guarantee. And I think maybe anything or more than anything, it's just a frugia factor.

00:09:01.35
Adz
True.

00:09:05.31
Russell Gibson
You know, are people excited to have this card in their possession?

00:09:09.44
Adz
oh I completely agree.

00:09:10.45
Russell Gibson
You know, and maybe that's why the current price of the Mellow is just higher than the Brunson because he is just that more sparkier, energetic, hit me.

00:09:19.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:22.53
Adz
All right, can I throw a spanner in the works? What about their trajectory?

00:09:29.38
Adz
Because I think Brunson's headed more on more of a spike than, and I haven't looked by the way, cause you know, I just think about things.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:42.08
Adz
I can jump on to our friends at Card Ladder.

00:09:48.36
Russell Gibson
When you say spike, do you mean in 12 months, in, in five years or?

00:09:49.76
Adz
The trajectory, yeah, like it's like in the last three months, are they up 50% or are they down 10% or are they up 2%? Are they steady? Are they on the rise?

00:10:00.29
Russell Gibson
So off the top of my head, lamellos down and off the top of my head for Bronson, he's just on a slow trickle upwards at the moment.

00:10:02.55
Adz
Yep.

00:10:06.87
Adz
Yeah, but he did last year. He sort of went on a bigger, bigger upwards.

00:10:10.14
Russell Gibson
I think he was up about 20% last year. so Because the year before that he was already on the way up too.

00:10:11.99
Adz
Okay. So yes.

00:10:16.66
Russell Gibson
up While you're doing that, I'm going to read out Talking ed Eggs cards. This is from Instagram, and this is my favourite answer out of all of them. Coincidentally, I asked my sister this last night at our favourite Laksa restaurant. She doesn't collect cards, but she said if she did, she'd buy a player she likes to watch. After her meal, my sister elaborated further, detailing that Brunson is a better player, but boring, so is not collectible. Needless to say, as an exchange for these words of wisdom, I happily picked up the bill.

00:10:46.09
Russell Gibson
Which I think means that she would be getting the lamello ball, but you know, it's.

00:10:51.13
Adz
I have a tendency to think so, yes. but That's so good.

00:10:54.43
Russell Gibson
So the final count as far as as best as I could do it is nine to Brunson and three to lamello. So. Which really surprises me a lot, considering that lamello does have the high prices overall.

00:11:08.00
Adz
I do think Lamello's a little bit um underrated still. I know it could be a success thing. I think the guy's talent's amazing, so.

00:11:15.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:16.15
Adz
Yeah, yeah, interesting one.

00:11:19.00
Russell Gibson
Would you like to do a card letter or should I start doing the next topic?

00:11:23.49
Adz
i'm i'm Yeah, we'll go to the next topic, because I'm not gonna be able to get their trajectories.

00:11:25.99
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:11:28.72
Adz
It's too much typing.

00:11:31.44
Russell Gibson
Uh, now this again was a little bit of a follow-up from last week. Who are you chasing this year? And I actually looked up the schedule. So hoops for this year is dropping on the 17th of January, which is one day before my birthday, which will be a lovely little birthday treat for me. Fantastic. We didn't get a heap of answers on this one, but we did get the card cupid answering this one. Uh, Johnny Furphy, the newest Aussie for the PC. I actually think that's a really good answer and

00:12:00.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:01.22
Russell Gibson
Outside of the Australian factor, I think he might be a good little prospect to keep an eye on. How much you buy of him, I think is probably the real question of you know what we should be talking about.

00:12:07.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:12.05
Russell Gibson
but

00:12:12.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:14.43
Russell Gibson
Uh, the last few games, Johnny Furphy has actually been playing in, in the rotation. So 11 minutes, nine minutes, 10 minutes, 25 minutes, seven minutes.

00:12:20.90
Adz
Mmm.

00:12:23.10
Russell Gibson
The game that he had 25 minutes, four from nine from the field, seven rebounds, one block, 3000 turnover and 12 points. You know, that's a decent line in 25 minutes.

00:12:33.23
Russell Gibson
I think you would, you'll take that from a rotation player at any time.

00:12:33.93
Adz
Yeah, that's not too shabby at all.

00:12:37.27
Russell Gibson
And he's, he's a young kid still.

00:12:38.06
Adz
Mmm.

00:12:38.59
Russell Gibson
So just 20 years of age.

00:12:39.60
Adz
Yeah. It's solid. Yeah, for sure.

00:12:42.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:42.70
Adz
Yeah, no, it's a good start. It's definitely not a a bad start to your career.

00:12:47.95
Russell Gibson
ah This next one is from PSA. So custom fits for die cut cards.

00:12:52.66
Adz
I saw that. that's That's an interesting one.

00:12:55.98
Russell Gibson
Without going too much into all of the the details into this, and I'm not particularly sure I understand all of it because there's so many different die cut cards. So are they going to have a template for every single die cut card? That seems to me

00:13:12.07
Adz
Hmm.

00:13:13.24
Russell Gibson
a lot of work on the back end for them, but still obviously they've got something worked out.

00:13:20.15
Adz
Yeah, maybe, maybe it is. Maybe it is easier for them to create an etched outline of the card.

00:13:26.80
Russell Gibson
What says here, insert eligibility. It's important to note that not all die-cut cards received custom inserts nor need them. The decision is made during authentication and grading by PSA experts according to each card's needs and dimensions. Rule of thumb, if a card's edges align with at least three internal rails of a PSA holder,

00:13:46.64
Russell Gibson
it's likely that no insert is needed to stabilize because the ones that come to mind for me are the select ones where they really sort of cut them down to almost a to a shield exactly like those ones always wobble around in the holder so and they

00:13:51.20
Adz
Ah, yeah, Where they really go through the shield.

00:14:02.50
Russell Gibson
have sort of the rounded and the pointed edges, don't they? So maybe they don't have three touching, like that's probably an easy one for me. But the pictures they've got here are actually like the really, and this is why I was sort of saying to you about the the holders, how are they going to do this?

00:14:16.61
Russell Gibson
Because they've got the one there with the flames and that's got heaps of little points on it. And then the other one's like a, like a buzzsaw, but how they, you know,

00:14:20.62
Adz
The flames will get, the flames will get one and the one next to it. Buzzsaw, because with their flat, two flat surfaces there, I think it'll be okay.

00:14:32.68
Russell Gibson
So look, I think again, this is PSA just showing basically flexing how smart they are.

00:14:38.84
Adz
How good they are.

00:14:39.16
Russell Gibson
I feel like to me, this is almost an Elon Musk type flex, really.

00:14:44.64
Adz
It is, I don't know.

00:14:45.91
Russell Gibson
It's ingenious.

00:14:47.34
Adz
It's pretty clever, let's be fair.

00:14:49.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And the other thing about this too, is I don't really think this is going to make them any profitable, if anything, it's going to cost them money to implement it. But at the same time, your cards are going to be better.

00:14:57.91
Adz
That.

00:14:59.77
Russell Gibson
They're going to be held better. And I think collectors are going to really appreciate that small attention to detail. So.

00:15:06.64
Adz
It's just another string in there, growing bow, a metaphorical bow, yeah.

00:15:06.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:10.01
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah. Anyway. We got Ryan from Gemrate coming on when you are taking a holiday in a couple of weeks and I'm going to be talking to him about PSA, I am sure.

00:15:22.97
Russell Gibson
So um I am sure this will come up again at some point in conversation.

00:15:23.70
Adz
Nice. This is good.

00:15:29.46
Russell Gibson
All right, let's do this next one really quick and then we'll go to a break and then we'll come back and we'll talk some fake Wembley cards, which is going to be part three of our little conversation about fake cards.

00:15:33.71
Adz
All right.

00:15:40.07
Adz
Dive into, yeah, into fake nonsense.

00:15:41.99
Russell Gibson
And hopefully that's it. I think now we've done three weeks and

00:15:44.58
Adz
Yeah, I think we put it to bed after that.

00:15:47.09
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:48.05
Adz
All right. What are these?

00:15:49.39
Russell Gibson
All righty, this is, I think there's five cards here.

00:15:49.47
Adz
The top, top five, is it?

00:15:53.97
Russell Gibson
This is from Market Mover's app ad.

00:15:57.37
Adz
Yep.

00:15:57.53
Russell Gibson
And I think this is really good because we've been talking about Yo Kick a lot the last few weeks. So it's actually good to see some of these high end stuff. So, guys, if you're listening in the podcast description, I put all the hyperlinks in.

00:16:08.96
Russell Gibson
So just click on the hyperlink now. You can follow along as we talk about this.

00:16:10.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:13.17
Russell Gibson
So this is the Immaculate One of One Logoman from 2015. So basically a rookie logoman PSA 7. Who cares? Even if it's PSA 6 or 5, that's still, you know,

00:16:26.28
Adz
That's an impressive card and it's a one of one.

00:16:27.21
Russell Gibson
near mid-card, yep, sold for $205K. I think that's a great pickup.

00:16:32.68
Adz
You think it's and undervalued?

00:16:33.12
Russell Gibson
ah the I think actually that's a very, I think that's a very reasonable price.

00:16:35.16
Adz
At 200K?

00:16:38.12
Adz
Given his body of work,

00:16:42.11
Adz
Hmm Yeah,

00:16:42.82
Russell Gibson
I mean, it's iMac. I think iMac is sort of still very good, but at the same time, you know, lower down the run.

00:16:47.63
Adz
hmm something next Mmm

00:16:53.03
Russell Gibson
This is the triple ogerman.

00:16:56.41
Adz
with the NBA 75th anniversary logos

00:16:57.16
Russell Gibson
from flawless actually now you say it maybe at 205 that is unders considering that this is oh hang on that's 84 not 840 yeah no that's fine 205 is fine that it should be more than this one that's i was like that shouldn't be yeah like that card actually having the bigs together yeah

00:17:13.33
Adz
Yeah, this is yep 84 K for the triple triple with Yarnas and in bead so three MVPs, it's Yeah, I think it will they're all in there.

00:17:25.74
Adz
They've all won an MVP some of them have won three Sorry one of them's one three Probably gonna win a fourth Mmm

00:17:33.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Uh, this next one is probably my favorite out of all these. Um, this is the most one I'm, I'm jelly of NT on card autograph number two. Well, that looks like number two five, but it could be number two three.

00:17:44.62
Adz
Number's a five.

00:17:46.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The 61,000. I actually love this one. The most, um, mint nine and autograph node at number four, we've got a Dirk and yo kick jewel.

00:17:49.44
Adz
I like that card, yeah.

00:17:57.38
Russell Gibson
I'm at Logan.

00:17:58.20
Adz
what's What is the correlation between these two men?

00:18:01.40
Russell Gibson
maybe that they're Europeans.

00:18:03.18
Adz
Okay.

00:18:04.09
Russell Gibson
They're both won championships.

00:18:05.36
Adz
Sure.

00:18:08.00
Russell Gibson
They they're both iconic at their positions.

00:18:08.12
Adz
It's just interesting. Like it's ah it's an old, like different times. So it's trying to understand it.

00:18:16.44
Adz
Iconic. Yeah. Okay.

00:18:17.82
Russell Gibson
They've both been at their club, only the one club.

00:18:17.95
Adz
Okay.

00:18:20.64
Adz
One team player. Yeah.

00:18:21.95
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:18:22.12
Adz
All right. Yep. You're selling me on this one.

00:18:24.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I've caught you a few on that one.

00:18:25.52
Adz
Don't know if I don't, don't know if I'm dishing out 50.4 K for it, but

00:18:29.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All righty. Now this last one is the ultimate card for a Denver fan. This is the. Flawless one of one triple logoman Jamal Murray, Yoko and Michael Porter, Jr. All championship winners. Uh, I think that's a a really thoughtful, intelligent card sold for $35,000. I actually have no problem with the price on this card. I think that's really cool.

00:18:53.53
Adz
Yeah, I think it's a, it's a very, yeah, if you're a Denver collector, like a Denver fan, that is, that's a, it's like a grail pace for your, your PC for sure.

00:18:58.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:06.49
Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:19:56.43
Russell Gibson
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00:19:59.43
Adz
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00:20:00.69
Russell Gibson
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00:20:04.86
Adz
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00:20:05.17
Russell Gibson
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00:20:31.38
Russell Gibson
They actually love those and they'll play with the tins afterwards.

00:20:31.65
Adz
Look at that, yeah.

00:20:34.60
Russell Gibson
ah Well, my kids do anyway.

00:20:36.44
Adz
Great storage, yeah.

00:20:36.73
Russell Gibson
They love those. Yep. Alrighty, so again, thank you so much Fastbreak Trading Cards for your support. We really appreciate it.

00:20:52.47
Russell Gibson
Adam, are you feeling refreshed? How was your drink?

00:20:56.40
Adz
It's great, I've i've got a like nice little refreshing glass of cordial.

00:21:00.93
Russell Gibson
It's got some ice in it, I saw that.

00:21:02.35
Adz
Little bit of ice in it, but it's a warm one here in Melbourne today.

00:21:05.59
Russell Gibson
It's very warm.

00:21:06.77
Adz
thirty Currently at 30 degrees, so.

00:21:09.00
Russell Gibson
And probably 40 something tomorrow, so not great.

00:21:11.01
Adz
40 tomorrow, yeah, we're in for a heat wave, early.

00:21:16.56
Russell Gibson
Anyway, alrighty. So the next thing we're going to talk about, this is basically part three in a little conversation about fake cards and and the like of it.

00:21:26.69
Russell Gibson
Now, actually I found this one on NBA hotspot worldwide, trade and sell cards. And this is a card that was listed on a, I'm not going to say the platform name because that's not what is important here.

00:21:39.76
Russell Gibson
And I don't want to throw shade at the platform.

00:21:42.56
Adz
Fair.

00:21:43.31
Russell Gibson
Um, but basically it's highlighting a card and 1998, 99 upper deck game jerseys, 9.5 mint.

00:21:47.40
Adz
Mhm.

00:21:52.84
Russell Gibson
And basically, the person was pointing out that ah the patch didn't look like it fit the card. And then when you go through and read all the comments, it's actually a well-known fake that's in the community. And it's actually been ah switched out and replaced with a better looking patch. And so, you know, I made a very loose comment last week about you have to know what the card looks like. And I really think this sort of goes back to that. and And by the way, I just wanted other thing I want to add to that too is I don't think any of this it's easy for me to say this, it's actually a lot more difficult to implement it.

00:22:29.47
Russell Gibson
So, you know,

00:22:30.65
Adz
The theory works in me. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

00:22:33.47
Russell Gibson
What I'm trying to say is like, don't don't feel frustrated because I'm saying this and you don't know because like that's not the point of me saying it's just more supposed to be just talking about, you know, educating yourself and then being able to find the resources.

00:22:44.85
Russell Gibson
And I think, for example, for this one, you have to know what these patches look like, because if you look at the rest of the series, none of them have that beautiful three colored patch in there.

00:22:45.74
Adz
Agreed.

00:22:54.10
Adz
That really chunky looking patch they normally just a ah piece of material is what they normally are.

00:22:55.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right. ad Yeah. So and that's how this one you know came to light. Then if you read through the comments in this one here, it's basically talking about, you know, it's a well-known fake, you know, go into the blowout forums.

00:23:08.98
Russell Gibson
It's already been, you know, established as that.

00:23:10.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:11.17
Russell Gibson
So probably what I suspect is um happening here. They can't sell the cards. Now they're trying to put it onto a different platform. Until they can basically offload it and so you know and i think the parallel between that is that when people are making fake cards i send them to all the different grading companies until somebody will greater and encapsulated for them and so you know we talk about this where.

00:23:37.24
Russell Gibson
um What's the problem with having all these small grading companies pop up? Well, they just don't have that history of knowledge and that sort of baseline of knowledge to be able to identify, you know, cards.

00:23:44.94
Adz
Mmm.

00:23:47.37
Russell Gibson
And I think that's probably a thing that I keep going back to with with PSA.

00:23:48.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:50.96
Russell Gibson
It's like the worst case scenario is that they encapsulate a fake card for you, then they've got the 100% money back guarantee on it.

00:23:59.91
Adz
<unk> true It's true.

00:24:01.32
Russell Gibson
they'll reimburse you for it. So um if you scroll down on this one, excuse my pronunciation on it, Maurice Kolowski has actually got a picture here of what the patches actually look like.

00:24:09.83
Adz
Put a... Yep.

00:24:13.80
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, it's just really good.

00:24:16.70
Adz
The T-Wolves has got a bit of zigzag in the in the patch in it, but it's not, there it's nowhere near, it see the Kobe one, there's a it's a barely anything patch, yeah.

00:24:26.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:26.29
Adz
You can see it. Tiny.

00:24:29.41
Russell Gibson
It's not You know what, the really funny thing to me is that actually the difference is quite subtle when you think about it. Because if you look at the Houston Rockets one, actually that's got a bit of detail into it.

00:24:39.22
Adz
True.

00:24:39.25
Russell Gibson
And so it is the the Nets one.

00:24:41.58
Adz
Yep, the net the net's fun, yep.

00:24:41.80
Russell Gibson
and And the thing that really gets me out is that someone actually pulled a card apart, replaced it to the point it still is immaculate condition because it's being graded by BGS at a 9.5.

00:24:43.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:47.19
Adz
To do this.

00:24:54.42
Adz
It's incredible, isn't it?

00:24:56.01
Russell Gibson
When you say that, that's actually amazing.

00:24:58.52
Adz
Takes a bit of skill.

00:25:00.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Highly skilled. Yeah. Alrighty. So let's talk about our little post that we put up. So the card that we found was that fake wimpy. Um, this is from our Instagram, the underscore short underscore print.

00:25:11.66
Adz
Ah, yep. Mm hmm.

00:25:17.57
Russell Gibson
A lot of fake cards are coming in via Asia through card hobby, especially TCG.

00:25:20.99
Adz
Yep.

00:25:21.73
Russell Gibson
The front of the cards have a film finish and feel to it with no indentation. What did you notice with the prism cards is sorted out as fake mainly. So look, I actually didn't find this myself. I found this on, where did I find this?

00:25:35.15
Russell Gibson
off google anyway but if you look at the top of the car that's where you can see the best the indentations at the top don't match what a real one looks like but at at a very quick glance you you wouldn't you wouldn't know that yeah so it's ah in my opinion that's an excellent fake yeah

00:25:36.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:44.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:47.53
Adz
You wouldn't know it if you were, if you were just... It is. There's nothing excellent about it, but it you're right. It's a very good counterfeit card.

00:26:00.88
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately, we didn't have any answers on our Facebook page, but Adam, what have you got to um add to this?

00:26:07.50
Adz
Um, I think it's, especially over the last couple of times discussing it, it's become pretty obvious and apparent that, that fake cards are a thing and that we are as a hobby open to exploitation if we're not paying attention and nobody's safe.

00:26:26.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:28.82
Adz
and you Or you could, you know what I mean?

00:26:29.11
Russell Gibson
pick

00:26:30.26
Adz
Like it's that if you don't pay attention, you switch off for the, the slightest of moments.

00:26:35.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:35.54
Adz
Um, using myself as the example that, that you, you can be suckered in by something. And there was like, obviously the comments, like it says altered in the description.

00:26:48.44
Adz
it's It's not a genuine card. You shouldn't be allowed to do that.

00:26:52.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:53.63
Adz
You shouldn't be allowed to sell for, for, for profit or for if money, something that's not a genuinely licensed product, especially in a market like collectibles.

00:27:01.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:07.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think to add to that, it would be nice to see a platform set the example and say, we're not going to allow this to happen on our platform.

00:27:14.14
Adz
Agreed, yeah.

00:27:16.30
Russell Gibson
I think that will be a really nice thing. ah Do I think that that's a far-fetched idea?

00:27:19.07
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:23.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I couldn't actually imagine eBay implementing that because it would probably cost them hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars a year.

00:27:25.74
Adz
It's very idealist. Yeah, yeah like it like it's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's a a pure thought and I completely agree with it.

00:27:30.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's a two-hour deal, isn't it? but

00:27:37.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:37.43
Adz
um The practical approach of it is not as easy.

00:27:40.61
Russell Gibson
Well, the funny thing is actually eBay has gone to a lot of effort to improve the experience for buyers.

00:27:41.13
Adz
um

00:27:46.80
Adz
I agree. Look, as I said, um, last week that with the, you can have things taken down, but when they're fakes like this one, they, they quick photo match and they go, no, that's the genuine card.

00:27:48.01
Russell Gibson
So.

00:27:53.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:00.57
Adz
We don't, your, your, your claim's being refuted.

00:28:03.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, look, I think my sort of my closing thought on this is that when I did spend of time, spend a bit of time looking for the sold comps on that fake Kobe of yours, there's a lot of them out there.

00:28:14.96
Adz
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:19.00
Russell Gibson
And they're being

00:28:19.70
Adz
Once you do the digging, you start to...

00:28:21.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And there's a lot of them being bought and sold every week, like not just one a week, like maybe three to five a week is probably what I averaged out.

00:28:27.37
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:28:28.36
Russell Gibson
Right. And so when you say it like that, it's actually something that's happening, you know, very regularly.

00:28:29.19
Adz
Yeah, there's quite a bit.

00:28:34.92
Adz
A lot.

00:28:35.30
Russell Gibson
And if people are buying them and they know what they're buying, I've got no issue with this at all. But if people are buying them thinking that they're getting a cheap kaboom or a kaboom that say 10% less than comps, like that to me is a huge problem.

00:28:48.97
Adz
Yeah, that's a mean.

00:28:51.02
Russell Gibson
And so, yeah.

00:28:51.17
Adz
I mean, if the card's been bid up to like two grand, like when you're paying the proper prices or up in that ballpark, where obviously the buyer's under the impression it's the real card, that's a little bit different.

00:28:57.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's, that's just robbery. Yeah.

00:29:02.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:05.95
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:29:08.33
Adz
And I think that's definitely got to be policed in some way, shape or form.

00:29:12.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. No, no doubt at all.

00:29:14.16
Adz
But appreciate eBay have taken down like, tried to go on my little, my tirade on eBay and report things where I can. um some Some are good, some are bad, but it's it's that do your part for the community.

00:29:22.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but yeah. Yeah.

00:29:27.65
Adz
You see it, you try and stomp it out.

00:29:30.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Why don't we do a pump up for our YouTube ad and then we'll go for our next break.

00:29:37.00
Adz
Let's do it. um I mean, update at the moment, we are currently at 92 subscribers.

00:29:37.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:42.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:43.40
Adz
um Notice a couple of extra faces in the know in the stream saying that there are people watching us live. So maybe a couple of people have ticked that bell for for notifications.

00:29:54.10
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:29:54.19
Adz
No pressure whatsoever.

00:29:54.27
Russell Gibson
So thank you so much, guys. You know, we appreciate it. Yeah.

00:29:57.19
Adz
Yeah, um we really appreciate that you'd like to come and hang out with us and and listen live. I mean, obviously, people have their routines. Some people may listen to us on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, like their own platforms.

00:30:08.63
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:30:10.26
Adz
But it's nice that you can come back to YouTube, listen to full episodes. but I've even broken down a bunch of our our segments, which I'll continue to do. We put up the shorts. So you get snippets from the show and and yeah, some of that critical interviews.

00:30:23.59
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:30:25.72
Adz
So yeah, go and check out the page. Give us a, give us a subscribe, like a couple of the videos. We really appreciate the support.

00:30:33.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and none of our content is behind a paywall. So we we don't have a option for you to renumerate us at all.

00:30:37.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:42.18
Russell Gibson
And currently this is the way we want it to be.

00:30:42.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:44.72
Russell Gibson
So if you would like to thank us in some way, it's by giving us that subscribe.

00:30:48.92
Adz
yeah

00:30:49.64
Russell Gibson
That's the that's my pitch to you guys because

00:30:51.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:52.74
Russell Gibson
um we We value not having content behind paywalls and what would really help us is to us to subscribe.

00:30:54.95
Adz
Yep.

00:31:00.85
Russell Gibson
And another way we would like to give back to you guys once we get to 150 subscriptions on YouTube, we're going to do a giveaway. We're going to take every single name that's in the YouTube subscription list.

00:31:07.04
Adz
yeah Yeah.

00:31:10.38
Russell Gibson
We're going to randomize it. Contact that person. And then we're going to send you out a box of Revolution Hobby, which was hooked up by our friends at Fastbreak Trading Card.

00:31:14.23
Adz
Give away a box.

00:31:21.42
Russell Gibson
So I think that's the perfect little segue into our next advertisement, which is a new sponsor as of last week, the Melbourne Card Tell.

00:31:21.83
Adz
So yeah. Yeah.

00:31:32.92
Russell Gibson
And I was saying it incorrectly last week. So ah Darren, thank you so much for your patient education of of me. Now we didn't get through all of Darren's points last week so let's recap really quickly. He has a range of repacks NFL, AFL, UFC and NBA. Every single card that goes into the packs is available for you to look at on a checklist.

00:31:59.96
Russell Gibson
we really value that. If you would like to buy from the Melbourne Cartel, it is at www.melbournecartel.au. Also follow him at Whatnot, where he does his, I'll call it sales and auctions.

00:32:17.02
Adz
Nice.

00:32:18.28
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, now the things that we didn't mention from last week, no bubble mailers. Everything that is going to be packaged and sent out to you will be done in their professional packaging.

00:32:31.67
Russell Gibson
And when you open it, you will feel like it is an experience. It's a brand you can 100% trust.

00:32:36.20
Adz
Real rip.

00:32:39.20
Russell Gibson
We are a registered business that pays tax. ah The Melbourne Card Tail are also the Australian distributor for GTI card accessories. The best One Touch is on the market as they have an inner sleeve that houses your card in the One Touch for 100% service protection. I'm actually currently using this product myself. I bought 25 off Darren and I must say they are a very nice product. The other thing that they do, which is really interesting is on the actual outside of the One Touch, there is a piece of plastic attached to it.

00:33:11.63
Russell Gibson
So when you peel it off, it's like pack fresh.

00:33:13.85
Adz
Oh, nice, yeah.

00:33:16.18
Russell Gibson
That's a nice little touch. um Now, Darren has very kindly given us and all of our listeners a 10% off discount code. Use the code COMPTHIS10 and you will get 10% off everything that's in their stall.

00:33:32.47
Russell Gibson
So Darren, thank you so much for your very generous support and also your gift to our listeners. We're very, very grateful.

00:33:45.83
Russell Gibson
Adam, how are you feeling, buddy?

00:33:47.52
Adz
feeling great

00:33:48.64
Russell Gibson
Great. Now we've got a new segment called Adam's Cards.

00:34:08.32
Adz
I'm feeling great.

00:34:09.56
Russell Gibson
Now, we spent many hours preparing that introduction for you today, Adam, so don't let this segment down.

00:34:18.22
Adz
Can I ask a question just quickly?

00:34:20.97
Russell Gibson
Of course.

00:34:21.84
Adz
Was that you or your daughter that did the raspberry at the end? Because I'm unsure.

00:34:28.17
Russell Gibson
And it was a combined effort, you know, we did a few takes.

00:34:29.65
Adz
It ah it was a joint joint effort.

00:34:31.63
Russell Gibson
We did a few takes. I'm not going to lie to you.

00:34:34.00
Adz
Was that scripted?

00:34:36.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I wrote the script. What what did you think?

00:34:38.79
Adz
I thought it was good. I thought it was great.

00:34:39.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, thanks.

00:34:40.76
Adz
Appreciate it.

00:34:41.67
Russell Gibson
ah You're welcome.

00:34:42.34
Adz
Right. I guess so I should just, that would just be like going, all right, off we go. um Adam's car, all right, well, I've got i've got i've got a subset, an insert set.

00:34:53.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, talk to me.

00:34:54.66
Adz
Which is funny, so I've got i've got ah the 19th, sorry, 1718, 2017, 18, Panini Revolution revolutionaries.

00:35:08.21
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:35:08.73
Adz
in the impact variant is my chase. One of the chases I started a little while ago, every now and then I jump onto eBay. I look on the i look to see if there's um cards available.

00:35:22.02
Adz
ah The first of which ah recently, in the last month, I picked up a David Robinson um from listener of the show, friend in the sports cards.

00:35:32.61
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:35:33.61
Adz
Australia group, ah David Robinson. Now, you might notice for those playing at home that the impact has a very kaboom feel about it.

00:35:46.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I believe that's the one that we call the baby kaboom.

00:35:49.40
Adz
The baby kaboom, that it would be correct.

00:35:50.64
Russell Gibson
I actually don't know it as the impact. I'm not gonna lie to you. it's To me, that's the baby kaboom.

00:35:54.10
Adz
The baby kaboom. So I thought, what what better way to chase a set of baby kaboom than the revolutionaries?

00:35:55.80
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:36:01.07
Adz
at some of the greatest players of all time. So the David Robinson, I came from from one of our listeners and friends from one of their sports card groups.

00:36:09.96
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yeah.

00:36:10.23
Adz
um But the the one I really want to talk about is is the John Stockton that I recently picked up.

00:36:14.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:16.61
Adz
So it was like $7.50 plus like five bucks postage, really good price on eBay. and i was i was headed home and i got the a notification that i'd got a refund on abay and the first thing that went through my head full transparency is oh here we go again he doesn't have the card he's already sold the card I guess I'm not getting the John Stockton.

00:36:40.53
Adz
Anyway, so I went, I'm i'm like like, oh, what's the reason this time?

00:36:40.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:45.63
Adz
So look in anyway. um So I hope he doesn't mind the shout out Tim Price, who's a long time listener.

00:36:51.01
Russell Gibson
He deserves a shout out by the way.

00:36:52.84
Adz
Yeah, long term list, long time listener of the show ah in our Facebook group um has made many a contribution and comment on on a post.

00:36:53.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:58.21
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.

00:37:02.05
Adz
um Issued the refund and said, I'd heard your story with regards to what happened with that lovely Kobe Kaboom nightmare. um So he comped me the card.

00:37:14.23
Adz
So it was, um yeah, free of charge. He gave me a full refund on the card and sent it out. So that was that was a very um humbling moment for me.

00:37:19.86
Russell Gibson
Doesn't get any better than that.

00:37:23.78
Adz
um it Yeah, there was a lump in my throat. I was i was very humbled and I really appreciate the gesture.

00:37:27.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:29.56
Adz
It was ah really reinforces to me, after if if you everything we've talked about in the last few weeks about fake cards and people trying to rip other people off,

00:37:31.33
Russell Gibson
It's a beautiful gift. Yeah.

00:37:41.82
Adz
Something, just a small gesture like that is just something that really reinforces to me all the good in this hobby and the amazing people we have.

00:37:48.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It takes me back to what were people are saying at the hobby hangout made that it's the relationships.

00:37:53.10
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:54.23
Russell Gibson
It's the people you meet, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff that, you know, people repeatedly said in almost like every, you know, interview.

00:37:54.84
Adz
It's the community. no Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:01.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:01.45
Adz
Yeah, so so thank you so much, Tim. I really appreciate it. And if anybody else has got revolutionaries, Impact1718, they want to um help me get the set, reach out for sure.

00:38:13.48
Adz
PM me old.

00:38:13.67
Russell Gibson
How many of you got to go out?

00:38:15.48
Adz
It's a set of 22, I think I'm still, I'm ways away. I've only got like six or seven of them.

00:38:20.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:20.88
Adz
I only started the chase earlier this year, so. But I just picked them up where I see them.

00:38:24.37
Russell Gibson
Great.

00:38:25.16
Adz
I just go looking for them.

00:38:25.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:26.45
Adz
I think they're a very beautiful card, the the Impact,

00:38:26.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:29.70
Adz
um foiling, obviously the kaboom feel about it.

00:38:32.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:33.14
Adz
um Yeah, I like it. and they're They're not numbered. There's nothing particularly crazy um collectible about them. They're not like a limited range. um The Kobe is probably going to take some time getting because I don't have the Kobe, but working on it.

00:38:50.06
Russell Gibson
I mean, boohoo, you have to go out and buy a Kobe. I feel like you'll, you'll, you'll get over that pretty quickly.

00:38:53.20
Adz
I know right like that. ah Yeah, I feel like it's it's not outside of my comfort zone going out to buy a Kobe.

00:38:55.86
Russell Gibson
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, that's right.

00:38:59.19
Adz
Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point.

00:39:01.56
Russell Gibson
Uh, speaking of Kobe in that product, his autographs are live in it. So if you ever do come across a well-priced 17, 18 revolution box, you're better off to rip it than flip it because Kobe autographs are in there.

00:39:14.84
Adz
Alive Kobe.

00:39:18.46
Adz
And what's ah the current, the going rate for the your average run of the mill on card auto for Kobe is a couple of grand, isn't it?

00:39:18.63
Russell Gibson
So.

00:39:25.83
Russell Gibson
So basically about 12 months ago, it was sitting in that sort of $1,000 mark.

00:39:30.52
Adz
Yep.

00:39:31.41
Russell Gibson
I would say getting one for $1,800 Aussie these days would be very challenging.

00:39:37.18
Adz
Yep.

00:39:37.90
Russell Gibson
If you spent $2,000, you could comfortably get one.

00:39:40.52
Adz
Yep.

00:39:41.87
Russell Gibson
But the prices the price is slowly trickling up.

00:39:41.97
Adz
Incredible. New Kobe doco coming out too.

00:39:47.10
Russell Gibson
I think that's the best way to to describe it.

00:39:48.80
Adz
True. Yep.

00:39:50.84
Russell Gibson
Now speaking of Kobe Bryant autographs, this is from the Reel27 guy and he has got a excellent video up about the Jarmurant Kobe Bryant Jewel autograph from Hoops.

00:40:09.47
Russell Gibson
And that is from 1920, if I'm reading that correctly. And the reason why I wanted to talk about this is because I know you love Kobe, but also too, because just to remind people that there are some really high end cards that come, can come out of hoops.

00:40:27.51
Russell Gibson
Every year they have, they have the dual autograph.

00:40:27.75
Adz
They were the case, I remember that year.

00:40:30.93
Russell Gibson
They still do it.

00:40:32.41
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:32.47
Russell Gibson
The the problem is most of them now are redemptions and You know, you just don't see them. ah It's kind of a shame, really, actually. I understand why a dual autograph is redemption, just like the logistics of, you know, getting two athletes to sign it would be an absolute nightmare.

00:40:46.58
Adz
Yep.

00:40:49.66
Russell Gibson
um But Hoops does come out with some really good stuff, and those dual autographs are extremely collectible.

00:40:57.57
Adz
For sure.

00:40:58.17
Russell Gibson
Um, I'm actually really interested to see, cause basically the real guy, not all of his posts, but a healthy dose of them are card education. Then, oh, by the way, this card is up for auction this, this week.

00:41:09.77
Russell Gibson
So this will be ending this week and and I will follow this because I'm very keen to see where this ends up.

00:41:09.79
Adz
Yep.

00:41:15.27
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:41:15.78
Russell Gibson
Um, yeah.

00:41:16.65
Adz
It's a beautiful card, too.

00:41:18.40
Russell Gibson
And the grade on it is excellent. 9.5 and 10 on the autograph.

00:41:20.61
Adz
Mmm.

00:41:22.40
Russell Gibson
So yep. Congrats to the owner slash buyer, I suppose.

00:41:28.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:29.58
Russell Gibson
are gem rate news. Now Ryan has been up to his usual high-end antics and this is the TOPS Chrome Universal Pop Report summary.

00:41:36.02
Adz
Oh, wow. That's a a mouthful.

00:41:45.32
Russell Gibson
Now basically what Ryan has done here is gone through all of the grades, so PSA, Beckett, SGC, CGC on all of the TOPS Chrome stuff.

00:41:56.10
Russell Gibson
There's a bit of stuff on here that's, you know, you can skim through pretty quickly. The top graded cards, the top 15 cards are all Wembley cards. I don't think that's any surprise on that at all. um If you flip through a little bit more, though.

00:42:12.43
Adz
I'm just looking at the first page. There's so much information there.

00:42:16.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so.

00:42:16.46
Adz
I'm going to have to give you a list of questions for Ryan while I'm away.

00:42:19.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, send me some questions, mate, because I'm sure that you'll get bored with my questions pretty quickly. But what I wanted to talk to you about is this, the topscrome grading outliers. So basically, um which cards are easy to gem and which cards are really difficult to gem. And I think this is a really important conversation to have because One thing that I find really annoying when people say this is that our PSA just throws out tents like the lollies and that's why everyone loves PSA. Well, actually that's not the case. There's, I think the more you zoom out and you look at cards from a set perspective and a year perspective,

00:43:00.27
Russell Gibson
What you will begin to see is that you'll see trends within cards. So for the easy one to think about is blank slates. So the blank slates that were the cream ones, they gem really well.

00:43:13.06
Russell Gibson
And the ones that were black, they gem really poorly. So it's not that PSA throws out tens like lollies, it's just that some cards grade better than others.

00:43:23.27
Russell Gibson
And I think what we've seen

00:43:24.23
Adz
The Kaboomz did the same thing with the the border. They put the border inside the Kaboom this year, didn't they?

00:43:29.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and it's really obvious to show that they're off-centered.

00:43:30.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:33.99
Russell Gibson
I don't think particularly cabooms have been easier to gem than others, but yeah, I know what you're saying with that. um You know, the other thing to sort of just quickly throw into this mix too is that if you look at, say, lamello balls,

00:43:43.84
Adz
Interesting.

00:43:48.21
Russell Gibson
population numbers on his gems actually it's a lot lower than what you'd anticipate because heaps of people you know with trading lamello ball but the actual gem rate on that card is quite low because the the population and the quality control on that was just you know absolutely abysmal that that particular year so

00:43:52.64
Adz
interesting

00:44:07.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:08.86
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so let's look at the cards that gem really well. So the Wambenjana let's go. Total graded 13, gem rate on that is 92%.

00:44:13.47
Adz
Yep.

00:44:16.63
Russell Gibson
So basically you're almost guaranteed to get a gem on that. Jalen Brunson autographed purple geometric, 13 was subbed 92% gem rate. The Lebron James Helix, 11 was subbed 91% gem rate.

00:44:31.70
Russell Gibson
Brandon Miller sudden impact, 10 were subbed and 90% gem rate.

00:44:35.87
Adz
i mean Does that mean if if it's 91%, 92%, is that out of 13 graded, 12 came back, you reckon?

00:44:36.05
Russell Gibson
you know we

00:44:43.73
Russell Gibson
Basically.

00:44:44.16
Adz
Yeah, 11, 10 came back.

00:44:44.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:46.22
Adz
Yeah, cool, cool, cool.

00:44:47.53
Russell Gibson
Then look at the top of the table. LeBron James time machine gold refractor. 11 was sent in. Zero have come back as a 10.

00:44:54.90
Adz
It's the next one that's got my eyes, yep.

00:44:56.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:59.34
Russell Gibson
Wembley negative refractor. 61 was subbed. Only 1% on that was a gem rate.

00:45:06.21
Adz
that's um That's one of those, if you see that card at a gem for a good price, grab it.

00:45:14.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well.

00:45:16.50
Adz
It's a low pop at the gem, right?

00:45:18.52
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, it'll be pop one, right?

00:45:21.26
Adz
I mean, I reckon a few will grade, but yeah, you're right.

00:45:21.35
Russell Gibson
And it's also. Yeah. So I think what takes my eye out of that is the negative refractors.

00:45:26.14
Adz
Wow.

00:45:30.67
Russell Gibson
I wonder if they're just a very difficult card to gem, because then down the list from that, you've got the Brandon Miller negative refractor.

00:45:36.89
Adz
Yep.

00:45:37.19
Russell Gibson
Seventeen was sent in, only 12% gem rate on that. So.

00:45:41.01
Adz
there it ah There's one in the bottom half. Harkes Jr. gems at 81% for the negative refactor.

00:45:47.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. That's, that's really interesting that isn't it?

00:45:48.86
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:51.38
Russell Gibson
So it's not a set thing per se.

00:45:52.07
Adz
Particular players in the, might be particular cards in that lot.

00:45:53.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:55.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:57.44
Adz
But you can see the players that are being graded through that though.

00:45:57.61
Russell Gibson
Uh, what?

00:46:00.49
Russell Gibson
Oh, when be LeBron.

00:46:02.15
Adz
I mean, we get it, we get it's Wembley, but you've got LeBron and Curry are the other two stars, but when it's not rookie related.

00:46:07.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything on here that takes your eye that you want to have a chat about?

00:46:13.80
Adz
the The negative refractor, Wembley was a big one. um But yeah, even at the at the bottom half, like looking at, um like Victor Wemanana, let's go, apparently that just gems.

00:46:28.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:28.98
Adz
But it's a small sample size. Top graded players, Wembinjana, total graded, 8,800.

00:46:32.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:35.42
Adz
I'm just looking at the next bit, but do you know what I mean? Like it it doesn't surprise me that the most, second on that list is Brendan Miller with 900.

00:46:46.86
Russell Gibson
It's insane, isn't it?

00:46:48.02
Adz
So it could be, it could rather than the tops Chrome top graded stuff, it could be it literally tops Wembinjana grading stats.

00:46:55.62
Russell Gibson
I mean, on the flip side of that though, ad because remember what was happening sort of like pre-COVID when basically you could send anything into PSA, get it graded and then sell it and make a profit off it.

00:46:59.05
Adz
Hmm.

00:47:08.79
Russell Gibson
And people were sending in everything, base cards, low-end people that, you know, I made the joke about Ty Jerome.

00:47:08.88
Adz
Mmm.

00:47:16.71
Russell Gibson
Like how many Ty Jerome's do we need?

00:47:18.10
Adz
Correct.

00:47:18.35
Russell Gibson
You know, there's hundreds of those graded. So actually I don't mind to see this where it's like,

00:47:20.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:23.96
Russell Gibson
give the people what they want, get all your Wembley's in and graded.

00:47:24.46
Adz
Mmm.

00:47:27.41
Russell Gibson
And then, you know, you still got other people being graded, but in significantly smaller numbers. And then I actually think that then those cards are still collectible because there's not as many of them, you know, and that's fine.

00:47:41.74
Russell Gibson
And then you've got your super liquid guy at the top and there's oodles of them, you know, I think that's fine too.

00:47:45.81
Adz
I like the slide where it's just top graded cards and the top 15 are all Victor Wienvenyana.

00:47:46.52
Russell Gibson
So

00:47:52.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. I mean, I think that summarizes this 12 months perfectly, doesn't it?

00:47:56.93
Adz
Yep.

00:47:57.00
Russell Gibson
Like that's the that's almost like your Christmas card picture really, isn't it?

00:48:00.86
Adz
This is the data that backs up WEMBIE mania, for sure.

00:48:03.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah The one I wanted to really quickly mention, so the top greater players at number seven, you got Derek Lively, 277 cards. Actually on Market Movers this week, he was the top basketball mover.

00:48:17.51
Adz
move up

00:48:17.80
Russell Gibson
He was up 9%.

00:48:18.06
Adz
Mover.

00:48:19.12
Russell Gibson
So I think we're starting to see a little bit of Derek Lively love. I don't have a big problem with this, but I'd also probably say too, don't go too crazy on big guys, you know, traditional and we haven't seen

00:48:34.32
Adz
Harker's junior again is appearing on that. So, did does he have a future in Miami? Do Miami have a future?

00:48:41.71
Russell Gibson
Where are you at with Hakke's junior though?

00:48:42.24
Adz
I don't know.

00:48:44.94
Adz
I haven't watched a lot of Miami, I'll tell you that.

00:48:47.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think he's a talented.

00:48:49.02
Adz
I feel like they're a middle of the road team and they're not really getting much attention. So, I mean, Miami fans obviously disagree because they're Miami fans, but I don't know.

00:48:53.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:48:58.48
Adz
I don't think they're in that position to win, positioning themselves to win a chip run. So I'm not paying as much attention.

00:49:08.42
Russell Gibson
That's fine. Look, I've watched a little bit of Heat this year. I think Hakkis is a skilled big. I don't have a problem if you're going out and buying a bit of him, but I'd also say too, I actually find that very risky because the thing about the Heat is that they're not particularly loyal to anyone that's in the rotation.

00:49:14.30
Adz
Hmm.

00:49:26.86
Russell Gibson
And so if someone else comes along that's better or someone else, you know, begins to start playing better, you know, if Hakis is in the rotation or he's out, I won't be surprised sort of either way.

00:49:35.14
Adz
Hmm.

00:49:35.88
Russell Gibson
So that's where I sort of find that a bit of a risky one. So I think we should go to a break, my friend.

00:49:43.60
Adz
Let's do it.

00:49:45.28
Russell Gibson
All righty. Our third and final sponsor of today's show. If you've been listening to us before, you'll know who this is. It is US Sports Cards Australia. Find them at US Sports Cards Australia dot com dot au.

00:50:01.38
Russell Gibson
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00:50:27.42
Russell Gibson
I think this week I'm going to have a look to see what he's got to sale in terms of hobby boxes. Let's mix it up a little bit. Let's go check out UFC.

00:50:36.34
Adz
UFC!

00:50:36.62
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, 2020 tops UFC striking signature cards hobby box for $1.99.

00:50:37.06
Adz
see

00:50:44.09
Russell Gibson
If you are looking for a Christmas present for sub $200, there you go there. If you want a Christmas present for sub $60, we've got 2022 Panini Chronicles UFC blaster boxes for $49.99.

00:51:02.61
Russell Gibson
And then we've got here, this seems quite high for me, but 2021 Panini UFC blaster for $183. I know nothing about UFC. I'm not going to say that's a good or a bad price, but that seems almost like COVID NBA prices, though, doesn't it? and

00:51:21.85
Adz
It does, it does, but it does it's, yeah, I can't comment. I don't know that i don't know the the market at all.

00:51:28.51
Russell Gibson
We might need to touch base with rice on that one.

00:51:28.91
Adz
But maybe it says, it says debut edition.

00:51:31.95
Russell Gibson
That could be it.

00:51:32.01
Adz
So maybe it's the first release.

00:51:33.90
Russell Gibson
That could be it.

00:51:34.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:35.67
Russell Gibson
I mean, who knows, right?

00:51:38.01
Adz
But yeah, if you're into UFC, get on it.

00:51:44.38
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. This is the final segment for this week's show, so thank you everyone for listening and making it this far. We're always grateful for your support and your listens.

00:51:55.61
Russell Gibson
Someone else that we're grateful to is Shaq Fu.

00:51:55.66
Adz
Yeah, check for 32.

00:51:59.20
Russell Gibson
Now Shaq Fu this week, yeah, he's been tagging us in as collaborators on his posts, so thank you so much, Joe. We really appreciate it. I basically chose between the two posts that he tags us into this week.

00:52:14.36
Russell Gibson
I went with this one here, the Skybox NBA Hoops BAMs, numbered to 250.

00:52:21.08
Adz
Oh, that is that has a sexy card.

00:52:24.15
Russell Gibson
The reason I went with this one is because in my head, when I think about Shaq, I think of him in a Lakers uniform doing a dunk. So it was like, this is the obvious one to to go through with.

00:52:37.28
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:37.59
Russell Gibson
ah What I thought I could ask you about this card, Adam, is what is your favorite Shaquille O'Neal memory? And I prefer you to talk about your Prime Shack memories, not your lumbering down the court in a Celtics uniform memory.

00:52:52.44
Adz
No, no, no Phoenix or Cleveland Shaq stories.

00:52:54.93
Russell Gibson
You can if you want, but I thought it'd be more fun to talk about the Prime Shack.

00:52:56.18
Adz
No, no, Lakers Shaq's always going to be my favorite Shaq. I did like, look, I was a fan of Orlando Shaq. I thought he was so dominant when he entered the league, but

00:53:05.31
Russell Gibson
He was insane when he was like running down the court and on a fast break, like no one would get in his way. That was kind of cool, wasn't it? It was like he was a weapon with the ball.

00:53:13.74
Adz
Look, if I'm gonna say, if if I don't say it's like, 2000, 01, 02 Shaq, like the three Pete Lakers Shaq is my man.

00:53:14.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:21.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:22.46
Adz
like But even 96, 97, when it all happened, when things, when he came across to LA, um it was exciting. It was a new generation of Lakers basketball.

00:53:35.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:36.55
Adz
And we're all excited about Kobe and the fact that Shaq was coming across was, It was this crazy one-two punch that was just going from strength to strength. So, spot on, spot on.

00:53:46.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And what a one, two punch that is honestly though.

00:53:51.41
Adz
wi like As much as they're like, oh, Kobe won because it couldn't win because without Shaq.

00:53:52.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:59.54
Adz
I don't think Shaq could win without Kobe. Like, you know what I mean? like they When they joined forces like that, that was that was incredible.

00:54:07.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:08.48
Adz
Obviously, Kobe did win without Shaq and Shaq did win without Kobe. ah But I don't think it was the same level of dominance that those two showed when they were together on that on that on those Lakers teams with Phil Jackson at the helm.

00:54:18.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So my follow up question to that is, do you think that the three championships they won together was enough? Should they have won four? Should they have won five? Should they have won six?

00:54:35.20
Adz
If they could have found a way around their egos, they could have they could have very easily, in my ad's my opinion, they could have won five championships.

00:54:44.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:45.29
Adz
If not six.

00:54:46.30
Russell Gibson
Cause that's my feeling about that team was that, yeah, they won three, but it almost feels like they underachieved a little bit because you know what I mean?

00:54:51.38
Adz
I mean, the fourth one not getting up, I think was the nail in the coffin.

00:54:54.24
Russell Gibson
Like.

00:54:59.06
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like, but they could have run it back and they could have got another another couple out of it.

00:54:59.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:03.86
Russell Gibson
They could have retooled, put more pieces around them and yeah.

00:55:07.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:08.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:09.34
Adz
Yeah. I completely, I think it's, um, it's a shame, but it was, I still think that Lakers, that, that, that Lakers dynasty there, that three Pete is, is one of the greatest teams of all time.

00:55:19.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:21.55
Adz
So.

00:55:23.10
Russell Gibson
ah This next one is a little bit of ah a mini flex. So you all know how much I love breaking WNBA. We had insane luck. We had two gold vinyls come out of the one case.

00:55:37.06
Russell Gibson
if my memory serves me correct we might have had three but anyway here we definitely had two now both of these went to friend of the show Scotty James or you can find him as surly sports cards on instagram he sent both of those in for grading and both of them came back as a 10 which is

00:55:45.84
Adz
Nice. Nice.

00:55:58.92
Russell Gibson
It's so good to see. Anyway, congratulations to him.

00:56:00.20
Adz
Chiching. Wow.

00:56:02.61
Russell Gibson
ah No pressure, mate, but I still haven't got any better photos of these cards. So when I get better photos, I will put these up on Insta again. So again, congratulations, mate.

00:56:14.18
Adz
They are very very very nice cards though, that's for sure.

00:56:17.60
Russell Gibson
Now we've got some trade news. ad We've got actually two pieces of trade news and the second piece I haven't put into the run sheet because it literally just happened today. But the first trade that happened was announced by Shams. The Miami Heat have agreed to send Thomas Bryant to the in our paces. So basically there's two parts of this to this. The paces have got a lot of injury problems at the moment.

00:56:38.38
Russell Gibson
ah Two of their bigs have got season-ending injuries. Thomas Bryan is a serviceable rotation big. So that works out fantastic for the paces. ah On the heat side, I think what this means is they're looking to make more moves.

00:56:53.62
Russell Gibson
It slightly reduces their tax bill.

00:56:55.68
Adz
Yep.

00:56:56.83
Russell Gibson
And there's some really funny rules that I'm, my head's not properly around, but basically it takes them below an apron so then they can make more, they have more flexibility in terms of their trade.

00:57:06.28
Adz
For sure, for sure.

00:57:07.21
Russell Gibson
So I suspect that.

00:57:09.24
Adz
Something else is a brewing.

00:57:10.03
Russell Gibson
the heat is going to be doing something. Yeah. And then the second trade that happened today was Dennis Schroeder was traded from the Nets to the Warriors.

00:57:15.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:19.11
Adz
That's a big move.

00:57:19.23
Russell Gibson
Now the con. Yeah. So the context around this is that D'Anthony Melton has a season ending injury. So obviously he won't be helping the Nets win anything at all this year, which I'm sure is going to make them happy because they're just basically in asset acquisition mode at the moment.

00:57:34.41
Adz
They're Cooper Flag sweepstakes, aren't they?

00:57:36.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Schroeder is actually playing really good basketball at the moment.

00:57:39.31
Adz
Yep.

00:57:40.37
Russell Gibson
I think that's a really good pickup for the Warriors. So ah there's a lot of chatter with the Warriors that they'll be trying to pick up a bigger piece or, you know, there's been crazy stuff said about, you know, LeBron James, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:51.33
Adz
Whisperings.

00:57:54.55
Adz
Jimmy Butler.

00:57:55.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I actually, I love those crazy stories. I think they're fun to, you know, to fantasize about and and, you know, make fun about.

00:58:02.73
Adz
For sure.

00:58:04.45
Russell Gibson
Do I think LeBron will go to the Warriors? I think that's impossible.

00:58:07.79
Adz
I don't think they can make it work in any way, shape or form, but yeah, sure.

00:58:10.24
Russell Gibson
Jimmy Butler is a maybe, but I think they would have to give up a lot to make that happen.

00:58:13.69
Adz
A lot.

00:58:15.13
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, that is something I'm not too sure about. But anyway, have you heard any cool trade rumors slash trade stories so far?

00:58:24.33
Adz
um Now, the only the only rumor, and I hope it is true, is that the Lakers are gonna trade Gabe Vincent for to the Wizards for Jonas Valentunis.

00:58:33.17
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:58:34.05
Adz
I would like that.

00:58:34.33
Russell Gibson
You, you want big Uranus.

00:58:36.33
Adz
Yeah. I think Anthony Davis needs a serviceable big with him rather than having to be the big.

00:58:40.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:42.96
Adz
I think Davis, yeah, a twin tower effect there would be a little bit better for the team. If it ends up with us having to have the likes of a Kuzma or something back.

00:58:48.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:53.22
Russell Gibson
I think that the Jackson Hayes experiment has failed and as much as I

00:58:56.72
Adz
he's He's just, he's just injury prone.

00:58:59.46
Russell Gibson
I like Jackson Hayes. I've even got some of his cards that I've sort of done a small, you know, PC slash investment lot of, I would like him to do well for my own personal, you know, gain, but unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen.

00:59:01.06
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:05.84
Adz
Yep.

00:59:09.58
Adz
Sure.

00:59:11.15
Russell Gibson
So, uh, we just mentioned LeBron James.

00:59:11.32
Adz
No, agreed.

00:59:14.92
Russell Gibson
Let's hold that thought for two seconds. This is from at art Karoon. Now this is on Twitter. A R T K A R O O N number nine.

00:59:26.17
Russell Gibson
ah This is ah just a funny account that I came across but this is a really clever post. I'm back in accumulation mode for sports cards again and I can definitely see good value in Lebron Grails. Now what he's got here is a card ladder

00:59:41.41
Russell Gibson
a summary page of LeBron James on his index data going back two years. And basically what it's showing is is a huge decline going down here, um decline of 27% overall.

00:59:46.26
Adz
I saw this.

00:59:54.61
Russell Gibson
And I think that's a really clever observation because the way I'd read this is this guy is not a sports card collector per se. He's more of a flipper slash opportunic investor, which I think is is good.

01:00:03.03
Adz
hu

01:00:06.65
Russell Gibson
It's clever. It's, you know, that's fine. um But for other people who would also like to make, you know, a smart buy, for example, ah LeBron Kaboom, I've recently saw a couple of those sell well below comps.

01:00:19.78
Adz
Yep.

01:00:21.18
Russell Gibson
If you're looking to the long term, we talk about the people who are always going to be here, you know, you're not speculating on Wembley, you're not speculating on JAR or Zona at this point, and it's a very established body of work.

01:00:34.95
Adz
It's very interesting that people with this LeBron dip, are people analyzing LeBron over the way he currently plays basketball?

01:00:35.23
Russell Gibson
It is actually

01:00:43.31
Russell Gibson
i I think this is more about the greater economics in the world at the moment.

01:00:43.37
Adz
Is that, is that where people have just lost the plot?

01:00:48.17
Russell Gibson
And I think if you look in this, particularly the last two years, like that kind of makes sense of what's been going on in the economy, right?

01:00:48.84
Adz
Okay.

01:00:53.24
Adz
Yeah, fair.

01:00:54.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:54.12
Adz
That's fair. Yeah, I'd be like, if that that's not the overall trend as well, yeah.

01:00:55.39
Russell Gibson
So now, is it actually, can I be honest with you? I actually think if you looked at most cards across the hobby at the moment, this is what we'd be seeing.

01:01:01.32
Adz
They would follow this. Agreed, yeah.

01:01:04.56
Russell Gibson
And I would actually, in my opinion, in my head, I'm like, now is actually a good time to buy. And I kind of feel like at card shows, we saw a little bit of this too. It seemed to me like kind of the smart people were buying.

01:01:17.89
Adz
ah Yeah, I'll pay that. That makes complete sense.

01:01:19.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:20.25
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

01:01:20.80
Russell Gibson
Not there's anything wrong with selling, by the way, too. Guys, if you're selling at the moment, I'm not saying you're dumb. That's not what I'm saying.

01:01:25.07
Adz
It's not, yeah, exactly right.

01:01:25.16
Russell Gibson
But yeah.

01:01:26.48
Adz
I think, I think you' you've hit the nail on the head though, for sure.

01:01:27.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:31.03
Russell Gibson
So from the biggest piece in the hobby to pretty much the smallest piece, but I love these little stories. yeah Now, I hope I'm saying this right. Eve's messy. And I think the link of ah this is completely mucked up.

01:01:42.99
Russell Gibson
It's going to go to my fantasy team ad. So this might be a little bit difficult for you to um to look at.

01:01:47.91
Adz
I've got, I've got a fantasy team up here. Jamaran.

01:01:51.61
Russell Gibson
All righty. Yeah. Actually my fantasy team is pretty good to be honest. Um, this is a keeper league too. So

01:01:57.82
Adz
Oh nice.

01:01:58.65
Russell Gibson
yeah Alrighty, so this guy, there's always one guy a year that just comes out of nowhere in fantasy, so obviously this guy hasn't got rookie cards out or cards yet, but I think you know it's one to keep it with an eye on. This is his last game, posted a double-double, 18 points, 6 of 14 from the field, 6 of 7 from the free throw line, 14 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1 steal in 32 minutes.

01:02:22.31
Russell Gibson
yeah Now this is a very brutalized way of looking at people, but this is their fantasy score number. So it's basically like points, rebounds, assists, minusing points for turnovers and and misses, 43 fantasy points, 25 fantasy points, 23, 39, 23, 45, 25, 43, 21, 23, 23.

01:02:29.24
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:41.88
Adz
Yep.

01:02:41.95
Russell Gibson
So like, that's pretty good, right? Especially for a prospect. I think this is someone to look out for. Now, if you play fantasy, have a look at this guy. If you need someone to play your center spot, you know, you really can't go wrong with this because you'll be on your waiver wire to pick him up.

01:02:57.93
Russell Gibson
I'm definitely going to be watching out for this guy in terms of cards.

01:02:58.31
Adz
Nice.

01:03:00.13
Russell Gibson
I think that's a fun little.

01:03:01.78
Adz
Very nice.

01:03:02.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All righty, I think this is going to be the last thing we have time for today, Adam. I think this is the perfect way to end today's show. Card versus card. I know you love these.

01:03:12.85
Adz
Oh, you know how much I love a good card versus card.

01:03:13.37
Russell Gibson
This is from Slabstocks. Now, this is super interesting. Talk about established stock versus a prospect. We've got Brandon Miller.

01:03:22.77
Adz
Ha ha.

01:03:23.46
Russell Gibson
Black gold rookie prism. So that's numbered to five. SGC graded. Why on earth you would sub this to SGC is beyond me. Sold for 7,350.

01:03:34.45
Russell Gibson
That's going to be cracked and resubbed to PSA as soon as it's bought and sold.

01:03:38.79
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:38.88
Russell Gibson
Now on the other hand, we've got here the 1985 Nike Michael Jordan promo code SGC 10 sold for 7,800. Adam, what would you go with on this one?

01:03:54.94
Adz
The Jordan's a promo.

01:03:59.01
Adz
Is that an actual card, a promo card?

01:04:00.63
Russell Gibson
I don't think so. And I actually think that's like a jumbo card because looking at the holder, it doesn't look like it's a regular one.

01:04:04.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't, it looks like it's, I'm gonna go with Miller because it's a card.

01:04:06.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:12.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:13.51
Adz
I like the Jordan as a collectible, but I think Brandon, yeah. Pretty much, yeah, Brandon Miller, I'm um'm with the card.

01:04:24.62
Russell Gibson
Okay, I like it how that we asked a question and you answered it. You didn't just say a bunch of random stuff and then don't answer the question.

01:04:30.91
Adz
Imagine that, I'd just be like, I don't know about going to Jordan and then just end it. I don't know about picking the Jordan.

01:04:37.86
Russell Gibson
I mean, that would be an ADOS U-chos really, wouldn't it?

01:04:39.95
Adz
Yeah, really. I actually tell you that one's a card and it's probably got some value in picking that one. and but But the Jordan is eternal because it's Jordan. But I don't know if I'd pick that one either cause it's because it's not a basketball card.

01:04:54.47
Adz
um

01:04:56.38
Russell Gibson
ah

01:04:56.89
Adz
If it was a Kobe promo, I'd pick that.

01:04:59.40
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah.

01:04:59.96
Adz
And just to answer with something completely different. What do you reckon?

01:05:02.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:02.76
Adz
Yep.

01:05:02.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I'm confused at this point in time. What what did you end up going with?

01:05:06.08
Adz
Brandon Miller.

01:05:07.04
Russell Gibson
All right, so I'm going to go with Miller too. So the commentary I'll add to this is that I think if you're looking for the safer investment, it is the Jordan. and I don't think there's any conversation in that at all. But I think the point you raised is 100% valid.

01:05:17.79
Adz
It's like a photo.

01:05:19.58
Russell Gibson
You know, it's a promo code. It's not like a card. So, you know, so the really interesting thing though, is that it's that's in my mind and probably what's leaning me towards going towards a Brandon Miller is some of these cards have sold for insanely high prices recently.

01:05:31.35
Adz
Mmm.

01:05:33.95
Russell Gibson
And I think that the easy play here is that you crack this out, you send it to PSA and you sort of hope for the best that it'll, you know, great upwards or even say it a nine, you still get an uptick in your value there.

01:05:42.78
Adz
Yeah for sure.

01:05:44.23
Russell Gibson
So. Yeah, I just think that this low numbered prism, particularly the gold stuff, like some of that is sold for you know some crazy value you know recently.

01:05:57.45
Russell Gibson
Um, thank you everyone for listening today. Thank you, Adam, for tuning in. I've had a fantastic night. I can't believe that it's already been an hour already.

01:06:05.31
Adz
I know.

01:06:07.29
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:06:08.37
Adz
I know, but yeah, it's, it's been a great show. There's plenty to talk about and next week, maybe some Giannis reflections with the NBA cup final all done.

01:06:16.61
Russell Gibson
Sure. We can do some Giannis. No problems. I will put that into the run sheet now.

01:06:20.73
Adz
As well as we maybe we'll think about Joker versus Dontich because we haven't given any shade to Luca recently.

01:06:27.19
Russell Gibson
Sure. Done.

01:06:29.56
Adz
Awesome.

01:06:29.92
Russell Gibson
That's also in the run sheet too.

01:06:31.91
Adz
Awesome, yeah, thanks everybody. If you haven't done so already, please YouTube, like, subscribe, do all the stuff, put yourself in the running for a box of cards, yeah.

01:06:36.29
Russell Gibson
Subscribe. but Turn on notifications. Yeah, that's all right.

01:06:42.08
Adz
And we'll see you next week.

01:06:43.47
Russell Gibson
Click subscribe, win a box of cards. That's a great little punch line.

01:06:47.10
Adz
It's pretty simple, right, isn't it?

01:06:48.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:50.05
Adz
How easy can it can it get?

01:06:52.74
Russell Gibson
We should put that on social media.

01:06:54.36
Adz
Should be, yeah, that's it. Subscribe to the YouTube channel, put yourself in the running with a box of cards.

01:06:57.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:59.75
Adz
Pretty simple, Merry Christmas.

01:07:01.49
Russell Gibson
Merry Christmas.