Episode 179: PSA Expansion, Beckett Scandal & NBA All-Star Insights

Adam Amy and Russell Gibson tackle the latest headlines in the basketball card hobby, from PSA’s global expansion to the fallout from Beckett’s CEO scandal. They also break down NBA All-Star changes and explore key card investments for rising stars.

• PSA growth  
• Beckett's CEO pleads guilty to fraud, leaving the future of the grading company in question.
• Incorrect Panini Patches?
• NBA All-Star game gets a new format, including a round-robin setup with the top 24 players.
• Growing counterfeit card concerns and the role of Fanatics in improving protection.
• John Stockton Lakers patch
• Zac Eddy vs Draymond Green
• Bradley Beal’s role shift with the Suns raises questions about his card value and future.
• We caved: Zion on the trade market and Big Z Down Town. 
• Sacramento Kings’ and De'Aaron Fox. 

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Adz
Hang on, I'm pressing buttons, doing weird shit.

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Adz
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Russell Gibson
Great.

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Adz
um um

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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 179 of the You Can't Comp this NBA trading card podcast. We are your host, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:48.25
Adz
Russell rockin' the MJ rookie t-shirt.

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Russell Gibson
Oh yeah.

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Adz
As I say, I don't have my, I've got an NBA champions Lakers thing on, not my Christmas present, which was a Scottie Pippen jersey.

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Russell Gibson
Happy New Year, mate.

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Russell Gibson
It's not bad.

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Russell Gibson
It's a very thoughtful Christmas present.

00:01:01.48
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It's almost like your better half is listening to you when you like babble on about basketball cards.

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Adz
When I when i'm talk about the things that I enjoy and like and stuff, pretty handy. How are we? Happy New Year.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, very much happy new year.

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Adz
It's, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I say we just get straight to it. There's no way we're going to get through this run sheet today. So our

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Adz
Oh, let's, some yeah, let's get let's get started.

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Russell Gibson
first story is all about contrast. We're going to talk about the growth of PSA, and then we're going to follow that up with the Beckett CEO pleading guilty to fraud. So it's an interesting little tidbit, I think.

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Adz
Oh, oh boy.

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Russell Gibson
Right.

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Adz
Oh boy.

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Russell Gibson
So PSA is growing and I think the best way to categorize or summarize this is just to me, it's just logical that they would start to do this around the world.

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Adz
Mm hmm.

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Russell Gibson
So basically what they're doing is. They're going to have a PSA Canada office, so then people can do submissions into that. And then the plan in the future is to then go into Europe and go into Japan.

00:02:00.84
Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So then people can drop off and postcards into these locations here.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
The interesting one for me with Japan is obviously the location. I think strategically so throughout that sort of Asia Pacific area,

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Adz
Hmm. I was surprised where you didn't get a look in.

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Russell Gibson
I feel like Japan can also cater for Australia too.

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Adz
Oh, it's APAC.

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Russell Gibson
It's not, it's not that sort of like far away is it?

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Adz
Yeah, yeah. Asia Pacific. I get it.

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Russell Gibson
And I think for my sort of own OCD and my love of Japan is that they very much do have an attention to detail.

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Adz
True.

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Russell Gibson
They really do appreciate, you know, the finer points of it. And I think in terms of don't want to be a dick about this, but in terms of, you know, fraudulent cards and stuff like that, I think it's better in Japan than in China.

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Adz
Yeah. that That's, that's that very, very yeah valid point.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, and I think again, also too, from a personality standpoint, I kind of feel like the Japanese would just absolutely nail this out of the park.

00:03:09.36
Adz
Yeah. Agreed.

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Russell Gibson
You know, they do have attention to detail.

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Adz
Agreed.

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Russell Gibson
They do have process, you know, all that type of, you know, high technology stuff. So that to me just definitely makes sense. The Toronto thing, I think that's a little bit of a soft launch. I think that's, you know, that's money for jam for them to do that.

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Russell Gibson
It's still in America, you know, they'll spread out in that space and then they'll sort of start moving out around the world.

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Adz
It makes sense.

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Russell Gibson
Look, maybe Australia gets a look in one day.

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Adz
Part of the next wave of expansion maybe.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Where are you at with this? How do you feel about it?

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Adz
um It's not a surprise to me. If you look at the the numbers that come through every month from from our friends at Gemrate about what's happening grading numbers wise,

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Adz
it was bound to happen.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Like it's the way, the rate at which PSA are growing, ah you've got a you've got to make allowances for that. And and I think that's part of there their plan to be the the market leader and and they've kept their foot on the accelerator these past five years.

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Russell Gibson
Hmm. I think how I feel about this is that to me, it's a risk they didn't really need to take. It's like everything for PSA is going so well.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
Everyone just makes the effort to bring the cards to them. Like why do they need to make the effort to go to their customers?

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Adz
Do you think it it's making things easier for them?

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Russell Gibson
I don't think so. I feel like if you've got this massive, you know, central headquarters, you apparently they've got this thing the size of, you know, a football field.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
for their processing plant, like, why do they need to take it out? So what I take away from this is that they view the hobby as being very strong.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
And obviously, they would only do this if they're going to make money off it. So again, you know, moving into the future, they obviously see, you know, big things. So again, for all the people who are poo-pooing, saying the hobby is going terribly, a lot of top stuff.

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Russell Gibson
I think this is a really, you know, positive thing for the hobby moving forward. So

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Adz
do Do you think it's a proactive move? I'm just pointing out and noticing that TCG, there is growth as far as grading numbers going and things expanding over the last few years.

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Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah.

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Adz
So maybe they're getting ahead here and and and growing in expectation of ah increased demand.

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Russell Gibson
So at the Christmas party that we went to, that was, for me, that was the takeaway that I had from it was that the guys who were flipping cards were moving out of flipping NBA and going to Pokemon, cause there's just exponentially more activity happening at the moment in Pokemon.

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Adz
Yep. Hmm.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And then talking to the guys from fast break, they were talking about getting their hands to sell Pokemon sealed boxes in their shop.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And it's literally just impossible to get your hands on that stuff at the moment. So to take your point,

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Also the Japanese point that actually makes a lot of sense too, doesn't it?

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
So they might not be grading basketball cards, particularly in Japan.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Maybe they'll be doing just Pokemon and that's fine.

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Adz
Wonder if the japan Japan location is very near the yeah the Pokemon Center in Japan.

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Russell Gibson
You know? Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, yeah and look, at and if PSA believes the fanatics edict that the hobby is only going to grow, well, then yeah, this is great. It's all good news all around.

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Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
Alrighty. This article was actually published mid to late November. So we probably should have picked this up a little bit earlier. This is by Rich Mueller, CEO of Beckett parent company, pleads guilty in insurance fraud case.

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Russell Gibson
He's pleaded guilty to a $2 billion dollars fraud and money laundering scheme.

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Adz
Yeah. Mhm.

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Russell Gibson
ah He defrauded various insurance companies, other third parties, and ultimately thousands of insurance policy holders. He is the longtime CEO of Global Growth, which owns numerous companies, including Beckett.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
so You know, my sort of takeaway from this is that we were talking about Beckett's hold on the grading sphere with Ryan.

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Russell Gibson
And did you hear what Ryan was talking about that?

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Adz
I did, i like i listened I listened to that episode with you and Ryan, it was it was great.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
And i and yeah i agree i I agree with a couple of the points that were raised there with regards to moving that asset on as well.

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Russell Gibson
Thank you. Ryan was fantastic.

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Adz
Maybe this has got something to do with that.

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Russell Gibson
That's 100 percent. And it also makes sense to me, too, that you've got a guy who's balls deep in money laundering and insurance fraud. So why is he interested in innovating a grading company?

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Russell Gibson
Like, if your headspace is, you know, definitely elsewhere.

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Adz
Mmm, yep.

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Russell Gibson
And it also sounds like, too, he's CEO of a a few different companies.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So he's flipped. And so my take was, why is he selling this distress asset? Okay, so that explains this part. Like clearly, you need needs to pay for his legal fees and probably, you know, compensate some people.

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Russell Gibson
Like that all makes sense. It also makes sense.

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Adz
Well, if he's the CEO, maybe they're they're selling because it'll distress the asset further when this comes to light. That's why they moved, yeah.

00:08:06.49
Russell Gibson
And that too, sure. I'm assuming he's got some sort of ownership stake in all of this too. I feel like these days, CEOs with their bonuses and all the rest of it, there's no way he hasn't got, you know, some type of vested interest in this.

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Adz
Of course.

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Adz
Mm.

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Adz
Yep. But I think they're trying, the rest of the board will be trying to get out, um to to to sort of get something back, right but rather than watch it go for nothing if he takes the ship down, so to speak.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So look, actually I feel like this is a little bit of a positive thing for Beckett. If you're, you know, getting out a dirty rat from your, your group, you don't need this person representing you.

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Adz
Mm.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
And clearly he hasn't got the best interest of your company at heart here. I think this is a fantastic thing for Beckett. So for all you Beckett homeboys out there, you must be high fiving each other at this point in time.

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Adz
yep

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Russell Gibson
um The other thing to high five about too, is that

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
maximum penalty of 5 years for conspiracy and 10 years for money laundering. so this guy actually might be a way for

00:09:04.64
Adz
Quite a while.

00:09:05.56
Russell Gibson
ah decent chunk of change yeah which is kind of

00:09:06.62
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
interesting in itself isn't it ah Final thoughts before we move on from this one.

00:09:11.27
Adz
I mean, it's a good thing for the hobby. It gives an opportunity, especially like ah you and Ryan were talking, it gives something fresh to Beckett, so.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think it, for me, it's a little bit of a slap in the face for the hobby in one way, because it's like the people that you trust to verify and make sure things are all well and good in the hobby.

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Russell Gibson
And then you've got someone actually who's, you know, very dishonest there.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So I think you can also look at it from that point of view to say, has it actually discredited and, you know, brought down their brand? Look, I hope that that isn't what the outcome is because I think we really do need a second piece of competition against PSA and hopefully BGS will be that.

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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's move on mate. The next one is talking about incorrect patches being put into cards from Panini. I think the person I would like to credit in terms of doing this content well is our friend who's been on the podcast, Matt from Matt's Card Shop. So check him out on YouTube but at Matt's Card Shop, M-A-T-T-S-C-A-R-D-S-H-O-P.

00:10:21.61
Russell Gibson
He did some good content on this because he didn't do it in the way of like people cutting up cards and, you know, burning cards and throwing in the bin, all that type of stuff. Actually, what he did, you know, really practically was he took a torch, he shown it up from the bottom of the card, and then you could actually read very faintly the hand, they not the handwriting, the printing, which is actually on the patch.

00:10:35.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:45.62
Russell Gibson
So it says whose patch this belongs to.

00:10:45.89
Adz
On the patch.

00:10:49.05
Adz
Yeah, because it'll be but he got like a white one because it shows better.

00:10:49.60
Russell Gibson
So then you can say,

00:10:52.65
Adz
It's got transparency to it.

00:10:53.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And so then that way you don't need to destroy your cards to work it out and you can actually then decide whether your card has the player in it that it's supposed to be in there or not.

00:11:03.98
Russell Gibson
So look, can I be honest?

00:11:05.07
Adz
Yeah. I mean, if it's a good card, you probably don't wanna do that, but hell, if it's not a great card, it'd be fun cutting up a basketball card, wouldn't it?

00:11:13.11
Russell Gibson
ah Even for me, look, I feel guilty throwing away base cards. Like I, I'm very, very reluctant to throw cards away. It's just one of those things for me. ah It's just a no go.

00:11:21.38
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
So cutting up a patch, even if it is a nap napkin patch, I just can't do it. I don't understand. You know, people burning jerseys and all that type of stuff. Like give it to someone else.

00:11:31.06
Adz
I've burned basketball cards. i've ah just to see how the different types of cards burn.

00:11:37.05
Russell Gibson
Did you record it at least for, you know, scientific proof or something?

00:11:38.62
Adz
No, and I was more around to campfire, we were just flicking them into the fire.

00:11:43.08
Russell Gibson
Were beverages involved in this experiment?

00:11:45.09
Adz
There may have been other beverages of of requiring an age limit being met, yeah, yeah.

00:11:47.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. All right, so how I feel about this, i um'm I'm not surprised by this at all. This to me is just another thing where Panini are just like lazy. Like, let's be honest here, they've done a few things over the years that have just, let's just add this to the lazy bucket with Panini.

00:12:07.19
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:12:09.60
Russell Gibson
I don't really care about this.

00:12:09.77
Adz
I mean, they've they've got not long. They've got what, a year to go?

00:12:12.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah, this is it. It's the last year.

00:12:14.16
Adz
Who, 2025? This is the last year of Panini.

00:12:16.82
Russell Gibson
I don't really care about this if it's a non associated or non game worn patch. However, if it's a game worn patch that I'm buying, I would like it to be from that player.

00:12:29.42
Russell Gibson
Like that to me would be So I'll talk about my own PC, cause it's easier to relate this.

00:12:34.62
Adz
Yep.

00:12:34.95
Russell Gibson
If I'm buying deer on Fox cards, I want it to be a game one deer on Fox, not a day run sharp game one in a deer on Fox. Like that actually is like a little bit tweaking my OCD.

00:12:44.61
Adz
Yeah, yep, no doubt whatsoever, yep.

00:12:45.85
Russell Gibson
If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Where are you at with this man?

00:12:52.02
Adz
Look, um it's just not cool. Like if you're gonna if you're goingnna put something in that says it, like it's representative of a player, don't shortcut it. And just cause it's your last year, we know how these things go. Like you might get your like the license back. Tops were out for for a while, now tops are back. You know what I mean? like it's swings and roundabouts. I wouldn't, I wouldn't leave a, I wouldn't taint our hobby just because you lost the license.

00:13:20.24
Russell Gibson
I actually agree with that take a lot. I think that's a really good take. I think just because you're gonna be losing your job, it doesn't mean you post in the last two weeks while you're on notice, right?

00:13:29.39
Adz
Yep.

00:13:29.48
Russell Gibson
Does it? Because there's, you know, your next job coming, your reputation. And actually, technically, they're not out of the hobby. WNBA, they've kept that, which is going great guns.

00:13:37.55
Adz
So yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And I think that that product could be slightly improved, not to segue too much, but the patches in that are actually,

00:13:45.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:48.10
Russell Gibson
I've never actually seen a game worn or game used WNBA patch out of ultra modern panini.

00:13:52.35
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So that would be great if they did fix that up.

00:13:55.26
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
So to take your point, that would be great. There's a few other things they're keeping too.

00:14:01.35
Adz
Yeah. I mean.

00:14:03.47
Russell Gibson
That sort of second league UFC they've signed, the Euro league stuff they've kept like, why not do things properly?

00:14:09.72
Adz
Yeah, they're not exiting the hobby altogether.

00:14:11.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:12.55
Adz
like this

00:14:12.76
Russell Gibson
And they'll work out something out. That's the other thing too. Yeah.

00:14:14.98
Adz
Of course. they they They're going to be a presence and if they're tainting their image on the way out for basketball, then yeah, it doesn't it doesn't bode well for them moving forward because the having the trust of the people is is very important.

00:14:15.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:21.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:30.58
Russell Gibson
The really funny thing about this article it actually says here that they take real jerseys. Do you actually believe that they are real?

00:14:41.31
Russell Gibson
Like, I'm sort of at that point now, I'm so skeptical or, you know, disbelief, opinion.

00:14:41.44
Adz
I do.

00:14:46.36
Russell Gibson
know I actually think they're just like, they've just bought a thousand NBA jerseys.

00:14:47.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:51.76
Russell Gibson
Maybe they're not even NBA jerseys to save money.

00:14:55.49
Adz
Ooh. Okay.

00:14:59.66
Russell Gibson
And then they cut it up and put it into the jersey. Because if you think about it, like if it's just a straight napkin patch, like that really could be cloth from anything.

00:15:06.79
Adz
Yeah, it's true.

00:15:11.23
Adz
No, I just...

00:15:11.28
Russell Gibson
Like, would you really put it past them that it's just a piece of cloth? And also, what's at that point?

00:15:18.88
Adz
I'd really like to hope that it's not.

00:15:21.07
Russell Gibson
But what's the difference between a piece of cloth and a piece of jersey when it's not associated and not game worn at that point anyway? Like, actually, what's the difference?

00:15:27.87
Adz
So like just getting like a random bit of tea towel or something and just chucking it into a basketball card.

00:15:32.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah. For those napkin patch ones, a hundred percent. I think, I think for the, you know, your two color and your three color patches, like that makes sense that that would come off an NBA Jersey. I think that has to be.

00:15:42.41
Adz
What do you reckon people would just go down to like, I don't know, the local market and buy a knockoff jersey and just put a slab of material from it in?

00:15:49.85
Russell Gibson
I mean, I'm almost taking this a step further to say it's not even a knockoff Jersey. It's just like a piece of cloth.

00:15:54.03
Adz
It's just a bit of material. It's like, oh, what what do they wear?

00:15:55.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:56.32
Adz
Green. Okay, let's get green and just chuck it in.

00:15:58.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:59.30
Adz
Wow. No, surely there'd be some level of quality control that anywhere that would, that stuff would need to be documented to an extent. I say surely, and then we find out things aren't really well-documented.

00:16:14.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so the example they had in this is that it just showed the team colors, basically.

00:16:18.70
Adz
Yep.

00:16:19.51
Russell Gibson
The Washington Command, Commander's Maroon. That was it.

00:16:23.06
Adz
Yep.

00:16:24.66
Russell Gibson
But you could stick that onto any piece of Maroon fabric.

00:16:30.55
Adz
That's true.

00:16:32.61
Russell Gibson
Right?

00:16:33.64
Adz
That's true.

00:16:36.93
Russell Gibson
Because if we're accusing them of laziness, now you think about it, it takes a lot of effort to get a jersey, cut it up, lay it out nice and flat, put the stickers on, right?

00:16:37.08
Adz
I'm, I'm, I'm hoping, yeah.

00:16:45.84
Russell Gibson
Wouldn't it make sense you've just got a piece of fabric coming off like a big looped fabric roll, and then you sort of put the sticker onto it like that? Like imagine like the volume they'd be doing for this.

00:16:57.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:59.81
Russell Gibson
All right, final thoughts. and Let's go to our first break.

00:17:02.75
Adz
Final thoughts. i um yeah I would like to hope that Panini have more integrity than that.

00:17:14.64
Adz
that's That's all I've got is I would i would like to hope that Panini have more integrity than than that.

00:17:15.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:23.06
Russell Gibson
Okay, sorry, maybe I'm being a party pooper right now. I apologize listeners.

00:17:26.15
Adz
I don't know, I just, I...

00:17:27.18
Russell Gibson
I try to keep things positive, but yeah.

00:17:30.20
Adz
No, I would i would i would worry if if they don't. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's that's terrifying.

00:17:38.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:38.87
Russell Gibson
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00:18:09.05
Russell Gibson
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00:18:10.35
Adz
Good boy.

00:18:12.21
Russell Gibson
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00:18:52.62
Russell Gibson
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00:19:10.03
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back, Adam. How you doing, buddy?

00:19:12.41
Adz
I'm doing very, very, very well. Feeling refreshed.

00:19:16.19
Russell Gibson
Great. We are going to talk about the All-Star voting. The new configuration will give you a bit of an update on the All-Star votes and we'll pick out a couple of players to talk about in terms of their card values. So this year it's going to be done a little bit differently. Basically how it will be is the top 24 vote getters will go into a pool. Then those players are drafted into four teams.

00:19:42.76
Adz
Yep.

00:19:42.79
Russell Gibson
Each four teams will play three games in a type of small round robin, um like pickup games, if you want to call it that. And there's not actually timed games, it's the first team to 40. That's when the game ends.

00:19:59.58
Russell Gibson
So I really like the thing I like about this the most is that it's the top 24 vote getters, because sometimes I feel like people are put in positionally and then someone else gets knocked out when they probably should be there.

00:20:11.86
Russell Gibson
So in my head, the best 24 players will be there. I think that's really important to me.

00:20:16.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:17.64
Russell Gibson
I like that a lot.

00:20:19.24
Adz
Yeah, I think it's positive that that more players are getting recognition, but I mean, it's a weird format.

00:20:23.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And the other thing I like too is I feel like this is a little bit simpler to follow, whereas last year with the the points going backwards and upwards and downwards and then the time was extended at the end of the game, that was all a little bit too confusing and and hard for me.

00:20:37.70
Adz
Wait, wait, what what points up and down? What?

00:20:40.64
Russell Gibson
Remember they had last year they had that thing where you had to like get to a certain point number?

00:20:44.65
Adz
You just need to win by 24 at the end, wasn't it? First one to 24.1? I don't know.

00:20:51.47
Russell Gibson
Maybe it was the year before. Anyway, I think this is a good solution. I think this is a really good um suggestion. I kind of feel like it's going to fail, though.

00:21:01.87
Russell Gibson
I don't imagine it's going to be back again. But, you know, who cares? Let's just let's just see how it all goes.

00:21:05.29
Adz
you know what's gonna happen? It's gonna turn into a big three on three tournament next time.

00:21:12.11
Adz
I would be down for that by the way.

00:21:12.33
Russell Gibson
I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

00:21:16.16
Adz
Imagine the All-Star game being a three and three tournament.

00:21:20.51
Adz
Be interesting.

00:21:22.24
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, the top, the top 10 vote getters are Giannis, Nicola Jokic, Jason Tatum, Kevin Durant, LeBron James.

00:21:22.29
Adz
I don't know.

00:21:25.95
Adz
Yep.

00:21:29.33
Russell Gibson
This is the big riser this year, Karl-Anthony Towns at 6th place with 1.8 million votes, SGA at Wembley at 1.6, that's awesome to see him in the All-Star game, Anthony Davis at 1.5 million, and the 10th, which is a little bit surprising for me, LaMello Ball at nearly 1.5 million, yeah.

00:21:39.59
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:21:46.27
Adz
Wow.

00:21:49.50
Adz
that is That is surprising.

00:21:52.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, really surprising.

00:21:53.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:54.97
Russell Gibson
So I thought we'd pick out a couple of guys to talk about from that top 10 list and the three that I picked out is Kyle Anthony-Townes, Anthony Davis and SGA. So hopefully all of my links are working.

00:22:05.73
Adz
Okay. Let's have a look.

00:22:09.90
Russell Gibson
Now I thought we'd do Kyle Anthony-Townes first because this is somebody who In terms of hobby value, he was the number one overall pick. There was a lot of hype going to this guy and obviously, you know, hype also means money.

00:22:19.82
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:22:22.44
Adz
Yeah, of course.

00:22:22.69
Russell Gibson
And then obviously he is, you know, absolutely down in the dumps, but maybe this is a nice little opportunity to, to get into the Carl Anthony town's market for a little bit of a rise up at the moment.

00:22:32.78
Russell Gibson
So he came into league 2016, 2015, my mistake.

00:22:37.96
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:22:40.55
Russell Gibson
His all-time high was $1,400, so we're not talking, you know, Luca numbers by any phase, but obviously he had his peak in 2021.

00:22:46.85
Adz
Yep.

00:22:49.43
Adz
Yep.

00:22:50.03
Russell Gibson
I think his reasonable pricing was sort of in 2018, 2019, when he was around that sort of $250 to $600 range. Like, I think that's reasonable for someone of his sort of prospecting status.

00:23:02.65
Russell Gibson
ah Currently he's trading at $240. If you go to the last three months, he's actually up 31%. So that that makes sense with the extra exposure he's getting in New York and also the all-star votes that he's picked up.

00:23:15.04
Adz
Mmm Yeah Well over the last the last 12 months he's actually it's pretty much even it's about down 5% so

00:23:15.27
Russell Gibson
So I think whoever was being buying him the last four months, that's a really shrewd little purchase there, like in terms of, you know, reading the market and reading the tea leaves, you know, so to speak.

00:23:25.45
Russell Gibson
so Look, at 200, 250, I don't have a problem with this at all. I can imagine this is going to get to 350, maybe 380, 400. It's sort of the top end. So I think that's a fun little pickup there. Population.

00:23:43.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, interesting.

00:23:44.93
Adz
yeah

00:23:46.50
Russell Gibson
Population on this for PCA is just 167, so it's not huge on that. We probably should look at BGS. It's 300. So if you sort of add those two together, yeah it's still a quarter of a Luca, isn't it?

00:23:56.96
Adz
It's still pretty reasonable Well looking at yeah the total the total pop um Yeah, 800 total gems 495 so less than 500 Gems that is in the nine and nine point five the nine and above isn't it gem, right?

00:24:08.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:15.32
Russell Gibson
I think that's what they did change the number to now. Yeah.

00:24:17.96
Adz
Yeah. So it's nine, 9.5 and is it?

00:24:19.01
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:24:23.22
Adz
I don't know. Maybe it's 10 to 9.5.

00:24:26.45
Russell Gibson
Should've asked Ryan this last week. here

00:24:28.18
Adz
Yeah. No, I'm just, um I'm just doing quick maths, but yeah, I think that would be nine to nine and a half and up.

00:24:37.11
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. This next one is actually Anthony Davis. This is from Cardletter headlines. Anthony Davis 2012 Prism Gold number to 10, BGS 9.5 population 3 on this, obviously it's going to be low pop.

00:24:48.03
Adz
yeah

00:24:53.71
Russell Gibson
ah This last sold for 17,080. I actually have no troubles with this at all. I think AD is an all-MBA guy. I think the gold do very well, and this sort of low-numbered prism stuff is, in my head, you know, long-term holds, long-term purchases.

00:25:07.48
Adz
oh

00:25:13.41
Russell Gibson
I think it's money in the bank, per se.

00:25:13.70
Adz
Yep.

00:25:15.47
Russell Gibson
So um interesting, like, to me that I was expecting him to have more of a spark after they won their championship. So it's a bit of a dynamic one for me that he's rising up now when nothing's really happened for him sort of the last couple of years.

00:25:28.37
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:31.52
Russell Gibson
Like if anything, I feel like the Lakers have sort of stagnated a little bit.

00:25:32.97
Adz
right He started the year strong.

00:25:34.98
Russell Gibson
They haven't

00:25:38.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, really strong.

00:25:38.49
Adz
I dated. Yeah.

00:25:39.22
Russell Gibson
but Look, I think he's playing really well. And, you know, I think in terms of him fulfilling his talent, you know, I don't think he's, I think if his career ended in the next couple of years, you wouldn't really say he didn't, you know, get to his peak.

00:25:46.09
Adz
a

00:25:49.51
Adz
For sure.

00:25:51.09
Russell Gibson
I think he's played well. I think he's had injury problems, definitely. But yeah, so look, I'm going to put my um helicopter hat on here and sort of, you know, just zoom out a little bit.

00:26:03.65
Russell Gibson
I actually wonder if this is more something about the hobby and that people are now starting to value that low numbered stuff a lot more, the black golds, the golds, of course, the nebulas and the blacks and all that type of stuff.

00:26:11.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:14.06
Adz
Hmm.

00:26:16.49
Russell Gibson
But I sort of feel like that sort of higher value is also now being accrued to golds.

00:26:17.36
Adz
Yep.

00:26:21.27
Russell Gibson
And I really think you know, there's so much stuff to pick up in the hobby these days. And, you know, once it all starts to, you know, zoom down and we sort of move forward in the years, you know, the cabooms, the downtowns, the blank slates, the golds, the black golds, I think that's the stuff that people are going to be holding on and collecting.

00:26:35.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:40.75
Russell Gibson
So I think that's a really good pickup.

00:26:41.63
Adz
Yep.

00:26:42.74
Russell Gibson
So congratulations to that. um The third guy on the list here is SGA. So this is from at Thunder Focus on Twitter. SGA since Chet Holdgram has gone down 33.8 points per game, 6.1 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 2.3 steals, 1.2 blocks, which is insane.

00:27:02.06
Russell Gibson
53% from the field, 39% on 3 point attempts, on 6.7 attempts a game. So it's higher but not crazy higher.

00:27:11.31
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:27:12.16
Russell Gibson
64% true shooting and a 16 and 3 record. So I think this is the perfect time to check out his silver rookie card which is sitting At population of 677, excuse my speech then, and is now trading at $700, in the last three months, this is up 16%.

00:27:35.34
Russell Gibson
We've been talking about this card, not a lot this year, but enough. I feel like we've spoken about this.

00:27:43.32
Adz
Enough, a lot.

00:27:43.53
Russell Gibson
I shouldn't say i shouldn't say this year, really, should I? I should say this season. We've been talking about, say, a lot this season. Uh, and I'm not surprised that he's got this upward trend. And I feel like we'd spoke about this and we sort of said, could this be a thousand dollar card? Didn't we?

00:27:59.08
Adz
i see I think we've been we were trying to figure out where it sits and where where hey where he sits, I think is the is the best way to to to to characterize it.

00:28:08.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:13.53
Adz
because he's a great, great player. Now he's up. It's funny over the last, we'll say over the last year even, but he's now come up to 700, which I'm just gonna say is that Tatum range.

00:28:28.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:28.58
Adz
Cause we use that as the barometer, right?

00:28:30.84
Russell Gibson
I think Tatum is a great barometer. Yeah.

00:28:33.40
Adz
um And I'm, I'm, Yeah, I don't disagree. I think last time we sort of talked about it, it was in that $600 range and it was on the rise. So I actually think that $700 price, and and I don't doubt it. If he wins the MVP, that that goes that goes higher.

00:28:53.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think where my head is with the thunder is I'm becoming a like a true believer in that team because I don't think

00:29:01.91
Adz
This is how you get hurt, Russell. This is how, as soon as you start believing in them and they let you down. Oh.

00:29:09.27
Russell Gibson
I think my thing with the Thunder is that I think they're coached really well.

00:29:14.78
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:15.08
Russell Gibson
And I think the synergy between the coach and the front office is, you know, huge. Not all teams have, let me rephrase that, very, very few teams have that.

00:29:21.84
Adz
Yeah. Mm.

00:29:26.63
Russell Gibson
The other thing, I've been watching probably more Thunder than I care to would admit. I think the other thing about that team is their chemistry.

00:29:33.64
Adz
Yep.

00:29:33.90
Russell Gibson
If you could measure chemistry, I actually don't know any team that has half of the chemistry that team has. Like, their post-game interviews are almost becoming like legendary the way that they're just, they're just so happy together.

00:29:48.21
Russell Gibson
I don't think you can sort of measure that, right?

00:29:49.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:50.01
Russell Gibson
and So add that, plus the youth of the team, plus they're currently got their second best player out.

00:29:50.34
Adz
Yep.

00:29:56.81
Russell Gibson
Let's just call Chet their second best player. If you could say to me, are they the third best player? I wouldn't even argue, but like that's fine. Like, whatever, you know?

00:30:02.98
Adz
Whatever.

00:30:03.54
Russell Gibson
His second or third best play, they're out.

00:30:03.88
Adz
Yep.

00:30:05.70
Russell Gibson
They're still playing this well. They're all young. They're going to keep getting better as they grow together, plus all the assets they're going to add into this. Like, how can you not be optimistic about this team?

00:30:17.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:19.04
Russell Gibson
So I really think you can apply that to his popularity, you know, moving forward too.

00:30:19.48
Adz
Yep.

00:30:24.54
Russell Gibson
So look,

00:30:25.64
Adz
He's, ah he's a key part of this success on this team.

00:30:29.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, honestly, I think this guy is a bi and I think this is going to still go up.

00:30:30.34
Adz
For sure.

00:30:34.22
Russell Gibson
I think the only reason why I'm not super high on this is because when you go back two years, that was probably the time we should have been jumping up and down about all of this. And again, you know, if we we had to read the tea leaves better, I think that would have been better.

00:30:47.76
Russell Gibson
But You know, so look, if you guys are going out now and buying these and picking them up, I don't have a problem with this, like at all.

00:30:55.98
Adz
yeah

00:30:56.30
Russell Gibson
Probably my only thing is is like percentage wise, how much more is this going to be going off?

00:31:01.31
Adz
ye

00:31:02.76
Russell Gibson
You know, I don't think this is like home run stuff. Yeah.

00:31:06.63
Adz
I don't think it's home run stuff and I think you're right to have that optimistic view of the Thunder and and I understand why Now they're the best team in the West right as far as if not the best team in the league on Paper like their record the way they've been playing they've been together for long enough Well, they've got one of the best records they've got the top one in the top two as far as records go, right So

00:31:23.37
Russell Gibson
Look, yeah, I think until they beat the Celtics, I feel like that's unfair to say that they're the best team in the league.

00:31:34.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. No, if you say that I'll be like a hundred percent, but you know what I mean? Like we have to respect the Celtics a little bit.

00:31:42.89
Adz
Sure, well, we don't have to.

00:31:43.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:44.55
Adz
We can we can throw shade wherever, anyway. the The thing I'm concerned, that worries me is, what are their assets?

00:31:55.51
Adz
It's something, like is it 28 draft, not like first round picks or something crazy?

00:32:00.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's come back a little bit, but yeah, yeah, that's correct.

00:32:02.83
Adz
So if they don't, like i i'm I'm worried that they're just gonna, waste those picks. I think they need to, if they need to step up a level, they need to, whatever they do with their assets, to take that next step needs to be smart.

00:32:22.46
Adz
And I feel like if they make the wrong move, they could fall very quickly.

00:32:22.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:28.86
Russell Gibson
So.

00:32:28.87
Adz
Because that could upre upset that chemistry thing we were talking about.

00:32:31.31
Russell Gibson
i do i do I get what you're saying, but at the same time, that doesn't stress me, even if they do make a couple of mistakes here and there, because actually wet what's going to be really fun to like watch is their pick swaps.

00:32:38.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:44.71
Russell Gibson
So that could be really interesting. You know, in three or four years down the road, they might be getting, say, the number one pick or the number two pick, and you can't really muck that up. Even if you muck up 20 other picks, then if something just falls into their lap that's too good to be true.

00:32:58.58
Russell Gibson
And even I could get it right. Do you know what I mean?

00:33:00.95
Adz
True, true, true.

00:33:01.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So Presti will be fine.

00:33:02.07
Adz
Oh, I'm more concerned with, um'm I'm more concerned with, um and then screwing it up is what I mean is,

00:33:03.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:11.58
Adz
They end up trying to go for Jimmy Butler, for argument's sake.

00:33:14.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:33:15.07
Adz
And they throw a bunch of picks at Miami to get the superstar to get them over the line.

00:33:16.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah.

00:33:20.64
Adz
And the superstar destroys their chemistry.

00:33:22.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:33:23.08
Adz
that That'd be my my, I hope they don't make that mistake.

00:33:26.46
Russell Gibson
So my counter argument to that would be that they literally gave away Josh Giddy for not much at all. And I think the reason why they did that was for chemistry and floor spacing reasons.

00:33:40.93
Russell Gibson
So I feel like if they can make a decision like that, it gives me confidence that they won't do something too stupid for chemistry moving forward.

00:33:42.47
Adz
Mmm.

00:33:48.77
Adz
Fingers crossed.

00:33:50.53
Russell Gibson
You know, I feel like they're going to consider all of that. Yeah.

00:33:53.64
Adz
If we do have to do an emergency pot about Jimmy Butler going to the Oklahoma City Thunder, we'll revisit this point.

00:33:53.82
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:34:04.08
Russell Gibson
All righty, we are going to go for our second break. And we're going to talk about our friends, the Melbourne Cartel.

00:34:14.31
Russell Gibson
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00:34:41.98
Russell Gibson
And the way that he built his repacks is built in a one in four ratio. So basically one in every four packs should have a very nice card in it. He also doesn't like to bottom out his repack.

00:34:54.26
Russell Gibson
So he likes to try and keep the average up in there.

00:34:56.83
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:34:56.96
Russell Gibson
The other thing that's really important for his product and also the reason why we took Darren and the Melbourne Cartel on as sponsors is that every single card that goes into his repacks is in a list and is available for everybody to look at.

00:35:09.71
Russell Gibson
And you'll find that on the website.

00:35:14.11
Russell Gibson
Now, for our listeners at home, Darren has also hit you up with a 10% discount. Use the code COMPTHIS10 at checkout, and you'll get 10% off all of your purchases, including repacks, card accessories, and also all of your protection needs. Thank you very much to the Melbourne Cardtell for your ongoing support.

00:35:41.50
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back. How are you, buddy?

00:35:44.00
Adz
I'm great, I'm great, we're over the halfway mark.

00:35:46.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty, now this next one is from the Australian Sports Cards Scammers Exposed page. Now this is a page on Facebook. The idea behind this page is for education purposes and also to hold people accountable when they're running scams and to inform other collectors of what's been going on and and who to avoid. Now, this one is not actually calling out a person per se. Well, it did. It was a bad deal, but it was something that I want to talk to you about because we've been talking about this the last couple of weeks. So this is about somebody buying a raw blank slate online.

00:36:26.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:27.09
Russell Gibson
and then when it arrived to him it just seemed a little bit off and when he looked further into it actually it would turn out to be a counterfeit card. so

00:36:36.34
Adz
Wow.

00:36:40.77
Russell Gibson
If you would like to find this, you need to go onto the Australian Sports Card Scammers Exposed page. I'll put the link into the podcast description, of course. The other thing that you'll be able to find on that post comments is obviously the eBay seller.

00:36:53.84
Russell Gibson
I've reached out to them to see if they would have a chat to us about how they came across selling it. Unfortunately, and they've declined to engage, but hopefully they'll respond to my questions or ah invitation soon.

00:37:02.50
Adz
Yep.

00:37:09.61
Russell Gibson
But looking at it, I mean, now the issues are highlighted and, you know, explained to you, it's kind of, you can see it. And I suppose also too, once it's in your hand, you would have a better idea, but it's a pretty decent fake.

00:37:24.67
Adz
Yeah, I'm showing the um

00:37:25.63
Russell Gibson
I can, I can kind of understand how you would like get not tricked by that, but how you could purchase that online, you know?

00:37:34.12
Adz
Hmm.

00:37:34.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:38.23
Adz
That's, um, yeah, that scares me.

00:37:41.55
Russell Gibson
but I think the reason why I put this into the show list is not too much to, um, humiliate somebody or, you know, point out that somebody's done something wrong.

00:37:50.74
Adz
No, no.

00:37:52.32
Russell Gibson
It's more just that it's awareness, but also too, I just feel like, like that to me is, is a really good fake.

00:37:53.06
Adz
That's awareness more than anything, isn't it?

00:37:59.55
Russell Gibson
That's how I feel about this.

00:38:01.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:01.77
Russell Gibson
Like they've got like the hollow stuff in it, you know, it's got the indentations in it. It's got the gold lettering. Like it's not just someone, you know, printed this on their home computer and chopped it up and sent it out onto eBay.

00:38:14.42
Russell Gibson
Like, like you know, a decent amount of effort has gone into this to, you know, to do it. So, um, I think that's the part that probably worries me the most is that, you know, we spoke about this with the prism, the fake when be base rookies.

00:38:19.91
Adz
Yeah, that's crazy.

00:38:30.61
Adz
That's the, yeah.

00:38:32.42
Russell Gibson
And yeah, because I think if I looked at that online,

00:38:32.52
Adz
I'm just trying to look at the, I'm looking at the photos and it just, it just scares me.

00:38:42.29
Russell Gibson
I just wouldn't be that stressed about it before I bought it.

00:38:45.09
Adz
Hmm.

00:38:45.59
Russell Gibson
So I understand how that, you know, transaction could have gone through. But yeah, that, that like, that's my perspective. It's just that I just think they're getting so good now. And it's just, I think you really do have to do your diligence a bit around what the card looks like.

00:38:57.70
Adz
Yep.

00:38:59.95
Russell Gibson
And that's what we spoke about on on the last time too, just knowing what the product should look like.

00:39:00.17
Adz
I mean, yeah.

00:39:05.28
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

00:39:06.23
Russell Gibson
Having your source of trust, your source of truth. That's the right word, isn't it?

00:39:10.61
Adz
Yep. Yeah, it's, um, and, and once again, we've talked about, I mean, there's a lot of different topics in this area and, and I mean, obviously we don't want to rehash it over and over again, but

00:39:11.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:28.21
Adz
there The thing that upsets me with this stuff is it's the intent. Because I know there are people that make custom cards. And they'll be like, oh, but we just do this because we love the player we like and we make stuff for ourselves. No problem. This is a replica of a card. I'm looking at the back of the card now.

00:39:53.24
Adz
and it's a reproduction of the actual blank slate.

00:39:59.47
Russell Gibson
So you say replica, I'd say counterfeit. What's the difference?

00:40:01.78
Adz
Counterfeit, but but it's it's not the original, it's not an original card, but on the back it's got the trademarks and the copy, you know what I mean?

00:40:02.53
Russell Gibson
what's Okay, cool. Yeah.

00:40:09.22
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah, for sure. And I think they're doing that to trick you.

00:40:12.54
Adz
To deceive, the the intent is to deceive the person that it's the blank slate.

00:40:13.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. ah Yes, definitely.

00:40:19.33
Adz
If someone comes out and goes, look at this Cool Jar Marant custom card I made, and it's on the back, it's got nothing to do with Panini, and do you know what I mean? There's a custom bit of artwork, sure, but when you're replicating cards that actually exist, are produced by a company, and you're including those trademarks and license things to convince somebody that this is that product, that's just,

00:40:45.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:48.72
Adz
That's fraud.

00:40:49.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I suppose, I think the criticism of Pinini in this space is that they've never done anything to protect their trademark.

00:40:56.35
Adz
Yep.

00:40:56.62
Russell Gibson
And, you know, I am not a fanatics homeboy in any sense. And I've said my concerns about fanatics and what they're going to do to the hobby. And we can talk about cosmic, top's cosmic, if you want, as an example of, you know, things not going right.

00:41:06.73
Adz
Yep.

00:41:12.90
Russell Gibson
Let's not do that. Anyway, what I do want to say, though, is that fanatics will be protecting their copyright. So maybe actually this is something, you know, we will see change for the good in that they'll actually be actively seeking out these people to remove them from the marketplaces to get these, you know, so cards off there because like Panini has been like zero communications around this ever.

00:41:18.13
Adz
ye

00:41:22.18
Adz
Mmm, possibly.

00:41:27.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:33.47
Russell Gibson
Have you ever heard them talk about them combating fakes in they don't do that stuff. They just sort of let it all play out like the literally like the Wild West. So um going back, I'm sure you're gonna love this the regulation part.

00:41:47.74
Russell Gibson
This is actually where we might see a bigger player in America a bit, you know, sort of closer to home sort of per se, they can control and regulate this a bit more.

00:41:53.41
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:41:57.51
Russell Gibson
um Yeah, look, you're emotional, um your your response to it. I've got no problem with that. And I think it's the right response. But where I feel is just like, how do I make sure that I'm getting what I'm paying for?

00:42:11.91
Russell Gibson
That's the part that's, you know, really sort of unsettling in my mind.

00:42:13.25
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:15.02
Russell Gibson
And it does put me off a little bit engaging in the hobby um with people that I don't know.

00:42:22.79
Adz
In an unprotected space, I guess.

00:42:24.35
Russell Gibson
in unprotected platforms. So I think that's the other thing too.

00:42:25.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:26.71
Russell Gibson
It's like, it's kind of lucky this guy bought it off eBay because then there was that refund policy, you know, firmly in place.

00:42:31.57
Adz
Bit of protection there.

00:42:32.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And so, and that's probably.

00:42:33.79
Adz
Sure. As painful as it can be.

00:42:36.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And it's painful, but at the same time, Lisa has some protection there for you. I mean, I would like to see people at this get removed from eBay platforms.

00:42:39.77
Adz
True.

00:42:43.23
Russell Gibson
Like I know they could just open up a new account and all that type of stuff, but still.

00:42:46.38
Adz
But let him make him start from zero again.

00:42:47.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's what really should happen. And, you know, maybe eBay needs to be held responsible to for that. Yeah.

00:42:54.70
Adz
Well, I need to do their part, really.

00:42:54.90
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's give this ah post three minutes because I feel like it's been given a lot of time on sports cards nonsense. This is something I put up. One-of-a-kind John Stockton Lakers game one patch autograph from that unforgettable time. He was traded with Carmelon to the Lakers. A true eBay one-of-one for the ages. Hashtag you can't comp this. Hashtag fake patches. Hashtag basketball cards. So look.

00:43:19.57
Russell Gibson
I had a lot of people messaging me on DM, some not very nice things said about this.

00:43:22.97
Adz
You can't a bit of hate about this one.

00:43:25.49
Russell Gibson
One guy said that I shouldn't be reproducing, which is like, I feel like you went a little bit too far, buddy. I mean, look, I kind of felt like I had made enough jokes in this that it'll be obvious.

00:43:37.78
Russell Gibson
that people would know this was a joke, but there was a lot of people that didn't realize it was a joke. And it kind of worries me, you know, and there's actually some guy ranting an hour later, and he still didn't realize it was a joke, which actually was kind of funny. But um okay, so I'm just gonna break it down for you guys, the parts that was um intended to be

00:43:57.97
Adz
Humorous.

00:43:58.85
Russell Gibson
Fake truths.

00:44:01.12
Adz
Fake truths, oh boy.

00:44:01.22
Russell Gibson
Obviously the Lakers game worn patch. Obviously that's fake. The unforgettable time he was traded to Los Angeles. He was never traded to Los Angeles. A true eBay one of one.

00:44:11.54
Russell Gibson
You all know how much I hate that eBay one of one phrase. And then I even put on their fake patches, but still that wasn't enough.

00:44:18.64
Adz
But it's in the news, fake patches are in the news.

00:44:21.22
Russell Gibson
True. Do you think that was misleading that part?

00:44:23.77
Adz
very It might've got people's attention thinking a Stockton patch It might have, it may have, may have people a bit sensitive at the moment about this issue.

00:44:32.46
Russell Gibson
So this was also part of a double blind test where I put the same picture up with a different caption ah so people could talk about their childhood memories.

00:44:42.81
Adz
ah you Are you testing the algorithm?

00:44:44.94
Russell Gibson
It literally received 1% of the attention that this rage bait attracted. So not that that really proves anything but

00:44:56.39
Adz
I chuckle a little bit, but I do notice a tendency towards people um commenting on the negative rather than getting around good news stories, but...

00:45:07.09
Russell Gibson
Negative media, that's what we should call social media moving forward.

00:45:09.15
Adz
It is a little bit, can be.

00:45:12.47
Russell Gibson
All right, third and final break time US s sports cards Australia. Thank you Ross and Michael for your support.

00:45:21.58
Russell Gibson
You know how much I love you too. Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. You will find a whole bunch of stuff on there. Hobby boxes for sale, breaks listed on there, wrestling, UFC, ice hockey, ah baseball. You can also get from the lads on there. What I do want to talk about today though is his Checkout My Cards Australia.

00:45:45.57
Russell Gibson
So that is a consignment service. Ross actually said to me he has had huge numbers of cards being sent to him and he's about 3,000 cards behind. So he said to me he's got about 4,000 cards on there. He's got about another 3,000 to go on.

00:46:01.58
Russell Gibson
He's very, very excited about the whole process. It's all moving in the right direction. If you go onto ussportscardsaustralia.com.au, click on the three little noodles. There's two tabs you can click on. Check out My Cards Australia, which is where you'll find the submission forms. If you want to browse through the singles, just go to singles category. That's where you can buy them all. Now Ross has got a little bit of OCD going on here. so Once you click on the singles category, it's all broken down into the different sports and then also into the different years. So you can easily browse and scan your way through the cards that you want to find and would like to purchase. So ah Ross, keep up the great work with your website mate. I know you've sunk many hours and, you know, frustrating times into it, but it's all starting to come up good.

00:47:00.64
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, this is our last segment of today. um Look, I'm going to change up the sheet a little bit. So the next thing we're going to do is time to buy. And the next thing we're going to do after that is Zack Edie. Because I just really liked the other day, the way he pushed around Draymond Green the other day. So I think we, you know, I just want to talk about that on the podcast. It was just fantastic.

00:47:26.42
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, now this is, ah Draymond like tackled him from behind and then Edie just like just stood up to him and Draymond actually looked like a child.

00:47:26.74
Adz
Issues with Draymond or?

00:47:35.21
Russell Gibson
I think Edie's gonna be a beast. Alright, let's just go straight into it. Alrighty.

00:47:38.00
Adz
Let's do it.

00:47:38.69
Russell Gibson
So Zack Edie versus Draymond Green, basically it's just Draymond doing Draymond stuff, you know, failing people from behind, as he always does, going after rookies, as he always does. And then literally, he does, which is what

00:47:50.29
Adz
Does he always go after rookies? I thought he just goes after anyone. i't I didn't think he discriminated.

00:47:54.54
Russell Gibson
He definitely does. He always goes after the rookies. It's just like what KG used to do, right? Like it was the same sort of like, you know, bully like mentality sort of stuff.

00:47:58.39
Adz
ah

00:48:02.38
Russell Gibson
Edie was just an absolute beast.

00:48:02.45
Adz
and

00:48:03.73
Russell Gibson
He just like stood there. And I gotta be honest with you. I feel like Draymond backed off a little bit as Edie was like, you know, coming towards him. So, um, 10 points in my opinion for Zach Edie and, uh, minus, I'll say minus two points for Draymond.

00:48:20.42
Russell Gibson
Cause it's not really that surprising. He would like do this type of stuff.

00:48:22.47
Adz
Dream on doing dream on. I'm watching the replay right now.

00:48:26.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:26.95
Adz
Oh, look, he probably got pushed by 80 or nudged, and we've got a bit shooty about it.

00:48:32.77
Russell Gibson
No, I don't think so. I think Edie just like bodied him out. Like he's just like, he's just a child, you know, playing with a man really at that point.

00:48:41.25
Adz
Yeah, I feel like Draymond's got to control himself, doesn't he?

00:48:44.61
Russell Gibson
So look, okay, I've spoken about that part. I think the next part too is the Memphis Grizzlies. I think that's a sick frontline. Edie and Triple J together is just like my cup of tea, big bodies, high basketball, IQ, good fundamentals.

00:48:54.65
Adz
Yep.

00:48:58.86
Russell Gibson
Uh, in terms of floor spacing, I love that Triple J, Zach Edie pairing. Like there's a lot to like in this space.

00:49:04.45
Adz
I like it. I like it a lot.

00:49:05.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Um, so I think the other thing I want to mention is really quickly in this space too, it's just a change of an era. So we're looking at the standings right now. We've got Oklahoma City at the top, Houston Rockets at number two at 25 and 12.

00:49:19.27
Russell Gibson
So congratulations to the Rockets, Memphis Grizzlies third at 25 and 14, despite John Morant missing, you know, a heap of games, then lets us go down to 10th.

00:49:21.29
Adz
i Yeah, I did not see that coming.

00:49:30.28
Russell Gibson
We've got the Warriors at 19 and 19. So, um, You know, I think I've already said this on the show, so I'm not going to crap on about this too much longer.

00:49:34.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:38.93
Russell Gibson
But I think it's just been a bit of a like, the last couple of years has been hard for me watching The Warriors just sort of like disintegrate, you know, in front of your eyes.

00:49:39.79
Adz
Hmm.

00:49:46.77
Russell Gibson
I think this is just like another thing. You've got Zack Edie just, you know, standing up to Draymond Green, which is not something that happened a couple of years ago, you know, so.

00:49:54.31
Adz
Is it standing up to like, is it, is it the case of he's just old and slower and he's not dream.

00:49:55.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:00.80
Adz
He's not the dream on evolved. I mean, at least he's not kicking people in the groin.

00:50:03.60
Russell Gibson
But

00:50:06.13
Russell Gibson
I just don't think six years ago that would have happened. I think Draymond would have like tackled him down to the ground six years ago. It was now like Edie just, just stood there and took it.

00:50:16.26
Adz
Fair, fair, just stood there and carved it.

00:50:17.25
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was just like a child trying to jump onto his back.

00:50:18.10
Adz
Yeah, yeah, fair.

00:50:21.37
Russell Gibson
It was just like, this is, this is nothing.

00:50:22.83
Adz
It's a get off me old man, yeah.

00:50:24.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Thank you for, thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I just really enjoyed that. So, all righty. Now this next one, this is a very deep cut. This is from at art Karun spelled K a R O O N nine.

00:50:39.53
Russell Gibson
I'm going, I'm back in accumulation mode for sports cards again, and I can definitely see good value in Lebron Grails. Now he has got a card ladder snapshot here of index data, which we spoke about.

00:50:51.76
Adz
We spoke about this particular snippet a little while back, didn't we?

00:50:56.07
Russell Gibson
Have I done this already?

00:50:56.09
Adz
Before Christmas.

00:50:56.83
Russell Gibson
Have I?

00:50:57.58
Adz
I think we talked about this before Christmas.

00:51:00.20
Russell Gibson
Oh, okay.

00:51:00.34
Adz
We touched on it at one point.

00:51:03.29
Russell Gibson
Okay, fuck it. Let's just take this out. Don't worry about it. I'll just edit this out.

00:51:07.18
Adz
This is the card letter, remember? Yeah.

00:51:09.93
Russell Gibson
ah do worry better than

00:51:10.03
Adz
The time to buy.

00:51:11.30
Russell Gibson
I'll edit this out. Okay, cool. 51 minutes, 13. All right, no problems. I probably have to edit the intro.

00:51:19.99
Adz
i'm I'm happy to to talk about it again. I like this stuff. But we look we could look at the total market. I reckon we should we should maybe take a snapshot.

00:51:27.53
Russell Gibson
If I've already done it, if I've already done it, yeah sorry, man.

00:51:28.86
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Fair, fair.

00:51:31.59
Russell Gibson
That's that's my bad my bad editing.

00:51:32.05
Adz
All good. All good. Who do we want?

00:51:36.10
Russell Gibson
All righty, let's talk about Bradley Beale coming off the bench. So this is a another interesting story for me, just in the sense that the sun's never really made 100% sense to me in terms of having Bradley Beale, Kevin Durant, and also Booker at the same time.

00:51:55.07
Russell Gibson
So Bill coming off the bench to me is makes a whole lot of sense.

00:51:59.00
Adz
Hmm.

00:51:59.36
Russell Gibson
And so what the commentators have been saying about this, well, there's sort of two or three things that have been said. One, he's the highest person. ever in terms of salary coming off the bench.

00:52:10.28
Adz
Yep.

00:52:10.51
Russell Gibson
You know, and that's totally fine. The second thing is that now he's been assigned to defending and also shooting against bench players, which is a huge, you know, advantage for that team. And I got to tell you, I actually don't understand why, you know, more teams do this because there's a blueprint for this, you know, going back 30 years.

00:52:28.93
Russell Gibson
So Kevin McHale used to come off the bench for the Celtics. And then also you've got Manu Ginobili, who I would say very famously ah said that he wasn't happy coming off the bench, but at the same time too, he was also happy winning all the championships that he did.

00:52:44.28
Russell Gibson
And he goes down in history as one of the most winningest players ever. So it's not like you can't say to Bradley Beale, other players, you know, haven't done this and you know, you can't follow this example.

00:52:49.68
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:55.00
Russell Gibson
I'd also say too, I feel like the Phoenix Suns are at that point in the season where things aren't going the way that they wanted to go. They've spent an absolute bucket of money on this team. They've traded away all of their picks. They had to do something, you know, to mix things up.

00:53:06.50
Adz
They do.

00:53:07.13
Russell Gibson
So I actually love this. I kind of hate it that, you know, and NBA players get so molly coddled sometimes. So so yeah, it's to me, this is really cool.

00:53:14.28
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:16.18
Russell Gibson
ah Juice of Nurkic is completely out of the Suns rotation. That's the other change that they made. And then basketball forever came out with this story in that

00:53:24.42
Adz
reallyly

00:53:25.02
Russell Gibson
Bradley Beall has agreed to waive his no trade clause um to the Los Angeles Lakers, the Miami Heat or the Denver Nuggets. So if he goes to the Heat.

00:53:34.10
Adz
That's very it's interesting. It's a that's a Jimmy Butler carrot if ever of With

00:53:37.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so if he goes to the Heat, I like this a lot. If he goes to the Nuggets, I think that would actually be really good because I think defensively, obviously, like he would have a few problems and also how that would fit with Jamal Murray.

00:53:49.31
Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure about. However, I get very excited about Nicole Joki playing a one to like a two man game with Beal.

00:53:59.94
Russell Gibson
I think that would be actually really difficult to defend um moving on to impossible actually. So that to me is like, that's a really cool one.

00:54:06.83
Adz
Hmm, I think Miami's an and obvious.

00:54:07.95
Russell Gibson
um do

00:54:09.14
Adz
I think Miami's a a real a reality a but ah possibility. It's the most realistic of of the trades But Jimmy wants out Jimmy needs out Close yeah

00:54:15.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think for me, the one that that doesn't make sense. I was like, the culture parks, you know, we talk about heat culture and, you know, the whole

00:54:25.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. And actually the salaries are you know relatively comparable. oh Yeah, so let's just really quickly talk about Bradley built value.

00:54:36.04
Russell Gibson
It's currently sitting at $125 for his 2012 silver PSA 10 prism. Population on this is just 31.

00:54:43.11
Adz
Yep.

00:54:46.08
Russell Gibson
You know, I feel like with all the hype you know that we have these days with you know rookies coming out of the gate and getting a whole bunch of cash, It's not probably the worst purchase to make. The only thing about this card that I'm sort of a little bit worried about is that every timeframe that I've looked at, it's going down.

00:55:03.41
Russell Gibson
The last six months down, 47%. The last three months down, 20%. The last year down, 66%. The last two years, 78%. It's like how much more is this card going to go down before it becomes a good buy?

00:55:13.53
Adz
can i Can I make a joke?

00:55:19.53
Adz
And it was close to April 4th, I'm not gonna lie.

00:55:22.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:23.11
Adz
um There's a sale on the 9th of April, 2021.

00:55:29.21
Adz
And the all time sales of this card.

00:55:34.58
Adz
Where it sold for 10K.

00:55:39.38
Adz
I kid you not.

00:55:44.41
Adz
all-time data for the Bradley BLPSA 10, April 9th, 2021, $10,000.

00:55:58.70
Adz
That's it, I've got and i've got nothing else. that's Yep, it's like an April Fool's gag gone wrong.

00:56:05.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's a crazy sale, but that's right.

00:56:07.21
Adz
Well, it's what? There's 10K and then surrounding it's 5,500 and 6,000.

00:56:12.99
Russell Gibson
I think it's a true sale.

00:56:15.02
Adz
Yeah, it's probably legit, but it's just like, I don't know. That's the co the COVID crazy, like just pointing it out. Like someone actually, yeah, that's cool.

00:56:22.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:26.88
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, I promised not to talk about this guy, but I think we have to mention this time Williamson has been put onto the trade market.

00:56:35.76
Adz
Trademark of Zion.

00:56:37.36
Russell Gibson
I think at this point in time, this is what he needs. He needs a fresh start. i I don't know. I feel like his time in New Orleans is just about played out.

00:56:49.23
Russell Gibson
I kind of also get the feeling they're going to blow this whole team up, this whole Brandon Ingram thing.

00:56:53.92
Adz
not working i I tend to agree with you and this is a this is a this is something I guess

00:56:53.97
Russell Gibson
I think he's going to get traded. I think once you get rid of Ingram, it doesn't make sense that CJ McCollum's there. Then they've kind of got Trey Murphy and Herb Jones waiting in the wings. Jordan Hawkins looks pretty good.

00:57:05.90
Russell Gibson
You know, do they just rebuild around those three guys? Plus whatever assets they get for Zion and Ingram and McCollum. I don't know.

00:57:27.09
Adz
It's probably not easy for a lot of people out there, but I'd be trying to get what I can for my Zion rookies now. I don't think they're going up. All the all the data is showing nothing.

00:57:38.19
Russell Gibson
All right, great.

00:57:38.83
Adz
of the ah Yeah.

00:57:38.87
Russell Gibson
let's Okay, that is perfect. Let's talk about that. So his silver PSA 10 population is 1,800.

00:57:42.82
Adz
Yep.

00:57:46.78
Adz
Yep.

00:57:47.23
Russell Gibson
It last sold for $215. So double the price of a Bradley bill if we're going to talk about distressed assets.

00:57:54.28
Adz
yep

00:57:54.73
Russell Gibson
um That is three and a third times less than a SGA.

00:58:03.31
Adz
Yep.

00:58:05.46
Russell Gibson
So I'm actually on the polar end of this and I feel like actually I've had this opinion for a little I would say I've had it consistently over the last couple of years at what point does this card be become a good buy like how much more can this card go down I think that's what I'm really getting to here yeah yeah

00:58:22.56
Adz
I think we're about to find out because it's gonna, I feel like it's gonna drop below that 200.

00:58:31.02
Russell Gibson
And I think if it goes to below 200, it just becomes an instant purchase and you just have to buy and you just have to just throw all of your like, you know, money onto the the poker table.

00:58:39.25
Adz
So it's down 25% over the last year, 46% over the last six months.

00:58:46.42
Russell Gibson
Six months. Yeah.

00:58:49.56
Adz
and And look, even in the last three months it's down, it just keeps going down.

00:58:53.99
Russell Gibson
So actually at it's already been sub 200. There was a sale for 182, 190.

00:58:58.32
Adz
Oh, and 190, and then it's up a little bit, yep yeah.

00:59:00.52
Russell Gibson
195 and there was like another 195 in there too. So yeah.

00:59:04.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:05.12
Russell Gibson
um So it's not crazy to say this is going to go below 200. Look, he actually came back the other day, had a breakaway dunk. I was joking to like my buddy about this saying, how can you be sitting on the shelf for a month or whatever he did and then come back and do a 360 jam?

00:59:21.78
Russell Gibson
I just feel like these these guys are so freakishly athletic, it's almost not funny.

00:59:25.59
Adz
Mm.

00:59:27.40
Russell Gibson
um Another Zion card that I wanted to talk to you about too, this is from IT t underscore sports cards. This is on Instagram. This is the Panini Downtown PSA 10 from 2020.

00:59:38.19
Adz
Okay.

00:59:39.43
Russell Gibson
now basically what he was saying was a lot of people have lost money on Zion and it like if you bought in peak yeah you've lost an absolute ton if you're buying on the downward however is this actually a really nice little pickup so my response

00:59:44.23
Adz
Of course, yeah.

00:59:51.13
Adz
Ooh.

00:59:58.01
Adz
What was the last sale on this?

00:59:59.79
Russell Gibson
He actually didn't say what do he purchased it for. So my response to this is you purchase this card, you put it into your vault and in five years later you get it out and then you look at it. You don't stress about it week in and week out for the next you know five or 10 years. I think this is one of these cards that is always going to hold significant value. That's that's how I feel about these cards.

01:00:22.85
Adz
But if in in in times of crisis, people do sell

01:00:22.99
Russell Gibson
um

01:00:27.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but I think there's going to be cards that people are going to value long term. And look, I could be wrong about this and downtown, I could be wrong about this, but.

01:00:32.00
Adz
Sure, sure.

01:00:37.13
Russell Gibson
My biggest hobby regret in the last 12 months was there was a PSA 10 Anthony Davis kaboom for sale for 600. And I lowballed the guy and he said no, and I'm still kicking myself over that.

01:00:44.76
Adz
Yep.

01:00:47.84
Russell Gibson
I think it's one of those things, you buy it, you put it away, you get it out in 10 or 20 years, and you know, it is what it is. I just think I'm going to put that into that same sort of thing.

01:00:54.54
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:56.77
Russell Gibson
So if this guy's picked up a bargain, you know, it's just, yeah, it doesn't matter that it's Zion Williamson, he's going to go up and down. There's some stuff that's going to do really well.

01:01:06.58
Adz
All right, so let's, um

01:01:07.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:12.12
Adz
um just I'm just, for the proverbial giggles. um've gone I've gone into our lovely card ladder.

01:01:22.35
Russell Gibson
What do you got for me, mate?

01:01:22.58
Adz
i ah Zion Kaboom from 2019.

01:01:25.48
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:01:27.04
Adz
Last sold 1800, pop 26.

01:01:32.19
Adz
Would you pay almost $2,000 for a Zion Kaboom?

01:01:42.31
Adz
rephrase, if that was available for 1500, would you grab it?

01:01:48.00
Russell Gibson
So my my problem at the moment is that, so if I'm answering you honestly, ah Nicole Yokek at the moment,

01:01:53.97
Adz
Yep.

01:02:01.03
Russell Gibson
for a silver PSA 10,

01:02:03.46
Adz
yeah Yep.

01:02:05.54
Russell Gibson
population 178 is currently trading at 2,800, which I know is a different price point, but it's, I'm using air quotes, but it's only an extra $1,200, right?

01:02:11.46
Adz
Yeah, yep. Sure.

01:02:20.22
Russell Gibson
And so actually the problem at the moment is, so this is not a secret. I've been trying to buy a Yo-Kick now for a little while. The problem is even if you offer people comps at the moment, they're turning it down.

01:02:32.80
Adz
Yep.

01:02:34.61
Russell Gibson
And so,

01:02:35.94
Adz
Okay.

01:02:37.49
Russell Gibson
We're segueing like really hard here.

01:02:38.72
Adz
na No, no, that's an interesting segue to I like

01:02:40.82
Russell Gibson
We're moving into like a different conversation, but what I'm trying to say is like, I think this card is like really good value at the moment to the point that people are actually turning down comp offers.

01:02:51.97
Russell Gibson
So, you know.

01:02:53.15
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:56.40
Russell Gibson
That's, that's my answer to your question. I think, I think that's a lot of money and can you actually spend your money better elsewhere? Um, the other one that we could really quickly touch on, which I think we'll talk more about last next week is Yarnace rookie cards.

01:03:08.09
Russell Gibson
So they're diving hardcore at the moment.

01:03:10.39
Adz
Yeah, so I've seen a couple of um concerning ones.

01:03:13.18
Russell Gibson
They've gone down like 50%. Yeah.

01:03:15.82
Adz
Yeah, I was looking for the Zion downtown as well to see what this person was looking at, yeah, yeah.

01:03:21.56
Russell Gibson
Roughly paying. Yeah.

01:03:22.92
Adz
So for the 2019, last sold was 2000, basically $2,000.

01:03:23.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:29.91
Adz
So the cut letter, yeah, 2000 US.

01:03:30.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:33.59
Adz
Pop 43 on the 2019 downtown, not the 2020.

01:03:36.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. See, like the way I look at that, that's almost like 75% of a yogic rookie.

01:03:43.96
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean?

01:03:44.23
Adz
Yeah, and that's it, yeah.

01:03:44.63
Russell Gibson
Like that's in my head. That's yeah.

01:03:46.17
Adz
Yeah, they're different type, yeah.

01:03:46.43
Russell Gibson
That's where I'm at. Yeah.

01:03:47.59
Adz
Agreed, agreed. And then you've only, there's only, Yeah, are they different types of investments though?

01:03:56.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I definitely think so. But at the same time, like it's not that far out of a ballpark conversation.

01:03:59.09
Adz
Where he is, yeah.

01:04:01.49
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? Like that's yeah.

01:04:02.74
Adz
It's, yeah you're spot on, youre you're you're more than spot on, that's, yeah, yeah.

01:04:05.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:07.76
Russell Gibson
All right. We got one more topic for today's show. And we're going to tie this up and we are going to do the Sacramento Kings. Just because I feel like it, they fired their coach, which I was a little bit upset about.

01:04:16.39
Adz
Very indulgent.

01:04:20.08
Russell Gibson
However, they have put together a very nice winning streak since he's been fired.

01:04:21.65
Adz
Since then.

01:04:25.83
Russell Gibson
Um, the other thing to talk about too is Devin Carter has finally made his debut this debut this season. And I have to admit, I'm really liking what I see from this guy. It's all hustle defense, little bit of three point shooting.

01:04:35.43
Adz
Okay.

01:04:41.01
Russell Gibson
Um, actually. they're on-off numbers with Keon Alice on the on the court is just outstanding so I'm more wonder if they just needed to play more of him in their lineups but like whatever they beat the Celtics recently so I think there's a little bit to be optimistic about in terms of of the Sacramento Kings I was not this optimistic a month ago let me put it to you this way so

01:04:55.63
Adz
Okay. For sure. Yeah.

01:05:05.57
Russell Gibson
And while we're doing that, we are going to look at Darren Fox just because I haven't looked at his prices for a little while and it's, um it's my show. So let's let's do that.

01:05:14.60
Adz
Fair.

01:05:15.08
Russell Gibson
How do you say? Yeah.

01:05:15.98
Adz
I like it. I like it. Let's finish. it's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Finish up with the Aaron Fox.

01:05:21.32
Russell Gibson
Population 593 last sold for 157. Man, this is down bad. I haven't looked at this for a while. That shocked me. $157 in the last six months, he's down 7%. In the last year, he's down 41%. I mean, okay. That's what, $25 more than a Bradley bill? That is really juicy, actually.

01:05:47.52
Adz
It's an interesting, 593 pop.

01:05:48.31
Russell Gibson
Look, I can't say this is ah if it's a buy hold or sell. ah You know what I'm going to say? I'm too biased, so I'm just going to leave this to you. Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:00.34
Russell Gibson
Look, just for disclosure, I was paying 600 Aussie for these, and I was like, look at me, I'm getting a good deal. So, yeah.

01:06:06.72
Adz
I think he's undervalued, but I also have my concerns with the team.

01:06:13.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're not structured perfectly.

01:06:13.63
Adz
And I'm gonna, yeah, i I have my, I've my issues with their ability to succeed. And as I've said countless times, I think there is a level, especially in a smaller market, um, where team success is a thing.

01:06:29.97
Adz
So Sacramento can't sort of make inroads into the playoffs.

01:06:30.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:34.27
Adz
I think that could hurt Fox's value.

01:06:37.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:37.58
Adz
That said, 150 bucks for this guy. I'm buying a Fox over a bill.

01:06:41.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:42.41
Adz
That's for sure.

01:06:42.65
Russell Gibson
Hmm. That's right. It's pretty close to the post president.

01:06:45.51
Adz
and And the population is not out of control.

01:06:45.69
Russell Gibson
Look,

01:06:48.30
Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying with that. If I'm going to be a King's Homer though, Keegan Murray still emerging. And I think this Devin Carter kid could really help them. I think their draft history has been terrible.

01:06:58.62
Adz
Do you know, do you know,

01:07:00.50
Russell Gibson
And I think all they need to do is get somebody that can actually play in the rotation. And that is like a very positive thing for the King's organization. I think this kid's going to play. So yeah, I think there's a bit of optimism there.

01:07:11.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:12.40
Adz
ah ah put my my my um Lakers homer hat on.

01:07:18.21
Russell Gibson
hit me.

01:07:19.05
Adz
Well, De'Aaron Fox did ask for a trade before the coach got fired.

01:07:24.04
Russell Gibson
I don't, I don't know about all that stuff. I really, I'm not too sure what to believe in that space.

01:07:29.54
Adz
I don't know, i think I think Fox is one of those, like Fox is great and I think he he loves Sacramento, but I feel like it it became, because ah he's he's the floor general, he's the leader.

01:07:42.11
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like if it's him or the coach and the coach went, so they want to keep Fox.

01:07:45.13
Russell Gibson
I don't Okay, so to take that point, let's just also illustrate here. The Sacramento Kings drafted Marvin Bagley instead of Luca because they already had Darren Fox.

01:07:55.78
Russell Gibson
So another way of saying that is they chose Darren Fox over Luca.

01:07:59.33
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:07:59.64
Russell Gibson
They then chose Darren Fox over Tyrese Halliburton.

01:08:02.37
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:03.17
Russell Gibson
And now they've chosen Darren Fox over Mike Brown. So like, let's just get this straight of like,

01:08:06.96
Adz
A couple of those choices were probably questionable.

01:08:10.77
Russell Gibson
But what I'm trying to say is like, let's just like sort of get this straight where Darren Fox sits in the hierarchy of the Kings.

01:08:12.91
Adz
Hmm.

01:08:15.25
Russell Gibson
I kind of feel like he's like the alpha in that like organization.

01:08:19.00
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:19.90
Russell Gibson
So yeah.

01:08:20.14
Adz
Yeah, that's like when Kobe said, trade me to the Clippers.

01:08:21.28
Russell Gibson
ye Yeah.

01:08:24.09
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:24.79
Russell Gibson
He got what he wanted after that, didn't he?

01:08:26.31
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:08:26.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, I don't, I don't think he requested a trade. I actually think they just fired the coach cause they didn't like him. like Again, that's a very Sacramento thing to do. They just fire coaches, but done anyway.

01:08:36.24
Adz
Yeah, true. a bit yeah as far back Back to Fox as far as a buy hold sell. I think he's a buyer at that price.

01:08:43.18
Russell Gibson
I think I should probably pick one up anyway. All right. Let's, let's tie this off. Otherwise this is going to be me talking about the Sacramento Kings. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you, Adam, for a very lovely afternoon.

01:08:52.71
Adz
It's been great.

01:08:53.81
Russell Gibson
We are broadcasting early this week, just because of our own social calendars.

01:08:57.23
Adz
Don't you love summer?

01:08:57.34
Russell Gibson
Look at our social butterflies.

01:08:58.30
Adz
it It is. It's January, it's the start of the year where the things things are ah different.

01:09:00.20
Russell Gibson
Aren't you going to the cricket today?

01:09:03.99
Adz
I am off to the cricket this evening.

01:09:06.10
Russell Gibson
Is it undercover or open?

01:09:06.18
Adz
um It is, it's at Marvel Stadium around the corner. so

01:09:09.54
Russell Gibson
So they'll close the roof.

01:09:10.66
Adz
The roof has been closed all day, so there's there's definitely no floods ah in the ground.

01:09:12.06
Russell Gibson
Okay, I was gonna say great because it's raining right now. So yeah,

01:09:17.64
Adz
Outside maybe, not so much.

01:09:22.20
Adz
i'm i'm yeah I might need to take an umbrella to the game.

01:09:22.21
Russell Gibson
have a Have a great day, everybody. Take care of yourselves.

01:09:28.43
Adz
Thanks guys.