Episode 180: Does the Hobby need Regulation plus Live Listener Q&A

Episode 180: The You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast
Does the Hobby need Regulation plus Live Listener Q&A

Hosts: Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson

• Discussion on Regulation in the Hobby:
  Adam and Russell delved into an article by Chris Gawlik on whether sports card trading needs regulation.
  Regulation IG post & regulation article by Chris Gawlik 
  
  Key points included:
  • Exploitation and financial risks in the hobby.
  • Comparisons between trading cards and gambling, with mentions of practices like "razzes" and insider trading.
  • Calls for more transparency in odds and outcomes, akin to loot box regulations in video games.
  • Pros and cons of regulation: safety and fairness vs. potential overregulation stifling the hobby.
• Interactive Live Format:
  The episode was recorded live on YouTube, allowing listeners to engage in real-time by asking questions and sharing thoughts.
  
  
• Market Trends, Highlights and Listener Engagement: 
  • A conversation about the need for competition between card manufacturers like Panini and Fanatics to improve quality and prevent monopolies.
  • Speculation on player cards, including Karl-Anthony Towns (KAT) and Miles McBride, exploring their performance, collectibility, and market movements.
  • Discussions around undervalued players like Cade Cunningham, Tyrese Maxey, and Donovan Mitchell.
  • The live audience contributed questions about player prospects and hobby trends.
  • Topics included rookie card pricing, the impact of top players not signing cards, and underrated players deserving more attention.
• Sponsors and Breaks:
  • Shoutouts to sponsors Melbourne Cardtel, US Sports Cards Australia and Fastbreak Trading Cards.

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Transcript

00:00:01.96
Russell Gibson
the magic of life.

00:00:04.34
Adz
The magic of live.

00:00:20.39
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 180 of the You Can't Comp this NBA trading card podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson. And we're a bit early today because we're we're live on YouTube.

00:00:35.04
Adz
Well, we're always live on YouTube, but we've we've invited some of the listeners to to pop along and and say say hello and ask some questions.

00:00:35.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:42.78
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Try and get a bit more listener interaction happening.

00:00:47.16
Adz
Some real-time engagement.

00:00:47.51
Russell Gibson
And it's, yeah, it's been a while since we've tried to do this. So we'll see how it goes.

00:00:52.60
Adz
it'll be It's an experiment. We did some short notice. We'll see. We are rapidly approaching our our first goal. um On YouTube. I thought that's probably worth a bit of a shout now that we're we're rapidly approaching that 150 subscribers um So we haven't been sort of plugging our YouTube for very long So it's nice to see a bit of engagement there and and yeah, once we hit that 150 we'll be giving away a prize Haven't been tempted to open it I've subscribed I'm subscribed

00:01:04.84
Russell Gibson
150, ye

00:01:15.52
Russell Gibson
yep.

00:01:17.70
Russell Gibson
Still got it safely in my cupboard. It's all good to go. I do get tempted.

00:01:26.35
Russell Gibson
Ah, so if you win it, does that mean I have to give you the box?

00:01:29.70
Adz
I might be nice and give it to another subscriber.

00:01:31.29
Russell Gibson
Sounds outrageous really, doesn't it? like um

00:01:34.00
Adz
It sounds like a bit of a insider trading.

00:01:35.17
Russell Gibson
people going in their own razzes or something. That's right.

00:01:39.24
Adz
Do you know how I'm saying, you can see what I'm putting down for a segue, right?

00:01:44.72
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, let's just get straight into it. So I think basically how today's show all goes, we've got our own show.

00:01:51.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:51.20
Russell Gibson
So we've got heaps of stuff laid out. And if no one comes and chats with us, that is totally fine. But if people do jump in, we'll answer all their questions.

00:01:55.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:57.73
Russell Gibson
In the meantime, we're going to talk about a article that was put online and it was written by Chris Golic.

00:02:05.34
Adz
Yes.

00:02:05.45
Russell Gibson
That's the best way to really talk about it, isn't it?

00:02:08.01
Adz
Yep.

00:02:08.69
Russell Gibson
um It was brought

00:02:08.90
Adz
I was tagged in this a couple of times, funnily enough.

00:02:11.88
Russell Gibson
I'm not surprised. As much as you love regulation, this young man is speaking your language, i I do believe. It was also brought to my attention by Mac underscore card collection.

00:02:19.30
Adz
Very true.

00:02:22.83
Russell Gibson
So we spoke about him a few times already online.

00:02:23.98
Adz
Mmm.

00:02:25.34
Russell Gibson
So really good follow on Instagram. Look, I think I'm just going to turn this over to you, and you know, we'd strongly suggest everyone go out and read the article. The article is entitled, is regulation needed in sports cards?

00:02:39.60
Russell Gibson
And what were your main takeaways from it? ah

00:02:42.00
Adz
ah Look, I went through the article briefly. It's no secret that I am...

00:02:50.59
Adz
a fan of of regulation within this lovely hobby that we have. And and I think the more that there's sort of financial stakes and and such that we need to regulate certain aspects of the hobby.

00:02:56.15
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:03:07.41
Adz
I think we've seen as a whole in the past, people get burnt in a big way.

00:03:09.87
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:03:13.09
Adz
And I've seen the hobby be exploited a lot.

00:03:16.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:16.10
Adz
And my thought is, and and I'm sure it's shared obviously in this, in this article as well, that we are open to exploitation and that there is a need for some kind of regulatory controls to to protect people.

00:03:32.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:03:34.19
Adz
So that that that's my, it's my initial summary, my initial two cents. I think the amount of parallels that are drawn between sports cards and, and we use it as a, it's not a literal connection, but a parallel between trading stocks and and trading cards.

00:03:50.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:51.30
Adz
Now on the stock market and, and. as I was joking before with regards to winning the box of revolution, insider trading, that's not on in the stock market for very good reasons, it's regulated.

00:03:59.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:03.91
Adz
um like Yeah, they try to, I yeah understand that, but it's not like an open market where people can just push narratives to drive prices.

00:04:03.92
Russell Gibson
Well, they try to reduce the amount of...

00:04:16.67
Adz
And and I think we're open to a lot of exploitation in our hobby.

00:04:19.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think we should just really quickly say good afternoon to James and also to Al. Hope you're well, guys. And Al's first comment is that open to exploitation is an understatement. So and I think that's what this article is really getting to. So I think you really tapped into that really well. Just to quickly summarize the analogy he was trying to make was a comparison between if you're gambling at Nevada and opening sports cards boxes you know what other different controls in place so the analogy he was putting down was that if you're playing a poker machine you win a jackpot but then the casino says well no we're not going to pay it out

00:04:43.36
Adz
Mmm.

00:04:49.09
Adz
Yep.

00:04:57.08
Russell Gibson
there's actually a high body that you can escalate that to they'll come down and and give you that and so that there isn't that same overseeing regulating body with basketball cards it's panini is self-regulate so if there is a problem with the product that you receive

00:04:59.88
Adz
Correct.

00:05:14.09
Russell Gibson
you have to then appeal to Panini to hopefully they'll they'll make you whole. And look, they do have a reasonable system where you can send in evidence of not getting what you should have gotten out of a box or, you know, whatever way you you you want to say that. But at the same time, what you do get back from them is often, you know, very minor or very small. And and maybe the big one that now it's sort of coming to my head now is the the redemption process where

00:05:42.89
Russell Gibson
The redemptions expire after a set period of time. And then also too, there's no guarantee that they'll be filled. And so this is the big one for me in terms of like, you know, regulating something, either they're giving out points or they're giving you out an alternative, you know, source of replacement card.

00:05:48.73
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:57.91
Russell Gibson
And often that isn't what keeps people happy. You know, there has been some really good instances where actually people have gone overs on it, but there's also those terrible instances of, you know, when people go under.

00:06:09.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:09.29
Russell Gibson
um The next thing that he talks about in there is that can you compare it to gambling which i think is. A whole other conversation altogether and i feel like we could do an entire podcast on it on itself but.

00:06:25.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:25.45
Russell Gibson
You know, is that something that when we're talking about regulation and we're talking about um making sure this is a safe space for everybody, you know, how do you change that definition of gambling to to luck, I suppose, or with something else? What's your thoughts around that? and

00:06:41.61
Adz
Yeah, there's, I think it's a very fine line and and I've always sort of alluded to the fact that it is a type of gambling when you're you're going into a, to a razz to,

00:06:50.98
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:06:55.76
Adz
So it depends what you're buying, but you're you're buying into the chance of winning a major prize, right?

00:07:01.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:02.70
Adz
and And realistically, it's a fine line between gambling as in at a casino versus a raffle.

00:07:10.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:13.40
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like there are forms of, you are, you're you're putting in for something of monetary value. So you're paying money and you're expecting something of monetary value in return.

00:07:19.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:22.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:23.97
Adz
Sure, you're not getting money in return. But.

00:07:27.42
Russell Gibson
And I think that's probably why at the end of the day, it's not considered gambling because you're not getting those instant returns.

00:07:31.76
Adz
But.

00:07:33.33
Russell Gibson
You're not getting the cash back.

00:07:35.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:35.83
Russell Gibson
Um, and in the article, he speaks about people getting life changing money. So the big one that happened in the last 24 hours is that fields bomb breaks have allegedly pulled the one of one Steph Curry gold vinyl rookie card.

00:07:47.77
Adz
OK.

00:07:48.92
Russell Gibson
So, you know, if we're talking about, you know, life changing money on that, like that could be.

00:07:51.57
Adz
Life changing, yeah.

00:07:55.15
Russell Gibson
a $5 million dollars card at one point. Like I think that's the type of card where, you know, that could go for insane money. Okay. Maybe 5 million is a bit of a crazy number, but let's say 3 million AUD, d which is what?

00:08:09.05
Russell Gibson
1.8 or, you know, ah a bit more than that in USD at the moment. So that's, that's not a crazy thing to say at one point that card will get to that.

00:08:17.32
Adz
But even even when you get into the tens of thousands of dollars, that's serious money.

00:08:17.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:21.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, like let's let's keep it like that.

00:08:22.45
Adz
Do you know what I mean? like this is

00:08:24.00
Russell Gibson
I just thought that was a good example, because that was something that that popped up recently.

00:08:25.08
Adz
The live chat, oh, I agree completely, but but it's it's, there's, these aren't, I'm spending $2 on a packet of cards and I might get a $50 card.

00:08:27.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:08:35.18
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:08:36.04
Adz
These are things, these are pieces of cardboard that have a supply demand factor to them. Let's be clear on that.

00:08:43.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:43.79
Adz
Where, when, the if the demand for that particular player is high enough that we're talking tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:08:50.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:08:51.16
Adz
Now, I understand that Panini would like to regulate the way they deal with their own product, but I think the overarching side of this hobby is that we're not talking about $50 cards. We're talking about a secondary market here where there are tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars and even millions of dollars being exchanged.

00:09:14.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:09:14.66
Adz
Like you go back to the the golden, um, golden auction show on Netflix when they're talking about how many billions of dollars go into trading cards.

00:09:22.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're focusing on the really big high-end stuff, yeah.

00:09:25.76
Adz
You're, you're talking about the, this kind of turnover. And you're also saying there's no regulatory body to, to, to actually, cause this is it.

00:09:37.20
Adz
What was, um, and I'll use golden as the example, all the photo matching. And then we go back to our lovely friends that was at one, one that, but but it is, it's our our social media regulatory body with card porn.

00:09:46.01
Russell Gibson
One. He's one of one. Yep. Hmm.

00:09:53.63
Adz
Do you remember that? Like let's get, build trust. And then we authenticate things that are not real. And that's millions of dollars of fraud.

00:10:00.38
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:10:01.51
Adz
Like if that doesn't demonstrate a need for a regulatory control on this hobby, Then, and and I'm not saying regulate every single Facebook marketplace or, you know, um but like where the little collectives of people are running $10, $20 sales on their cards, but I think there's got to be some level of control when it comes to a well a significant, not a substantial amount, a so a certain significance in the and the value of a ah piece of cardboard.

00:10:19.17
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:10:31.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so let's just dip back into the comments a little bit here. So we got Sean Alloway from Lift Off Cards, how are you mate? And the long wait when dealing with them. So that's in regards to the redemptions that we're talking about before.

00:10:41.46
Adz
Panini. Yep.

00:10:43.53
Russell Gibson
And then Al's back in the the comments again. So it is indeed gambling despite despite Russ hating me for saying it all the time. The link between gaming loot boxes and problem gambling has been robustly verified according to a report carried out by researchers at the universities of Plymouth and Wolverhampton.

00:11:01.73
Russell Gibson
and card boxes are no different. so Look, I do agree with that, but probably like where I'd push back a little bit here is that I think if we overly regulate the hobby, I think it'll take a little bit of the fun out of it.

00:11:13.09
Adz
I agree.

00:11:13.45
Russell Gibson
I think the other part of it too is anytime you implement regulation and controls, that also costs money, which was you know going to be coming from our pockets. So how they pay for this, that's something else I'd be interested to you know hear about.

00:11:26.65
Russell Gibson
But also too, it's like, so maybe we use loot boxes as a good example of that. So there was a pretty decent push back on that recently because, you know, a lot of money was being spent on the loot boxes in games and then people didn't even know what the probabilities were, you know, coming out of it.

00:11:41.61
Russell Gibson
So I'll use the one that's the most in my mind because I'm playing a fair bit of FIFA at the moment. So when you click on the packs, it actually tells you now what the percentages are.

00:11:46.34
Adz
Hmm.

00:11:50.64
Russell Gibson
So you're hoping to hit this card. If you buy this particular pack, it's a less than 1% chance of of buying it.

00:11:57.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:57.24
Russell Gibson
So then you're kind of like, well, actually, ah don't really want to take a one percent chance to buy this thing you know i'm not going to buy it i'm going to try and get the card in a different way so I think if you then apply that back to trading cards and even pokemon i think we mentioned this at the same time now too because its it's the whole thing like we don't want to overly regulate this thing that is kind of like pretty fun for us all to enjoy.

00:12:19.73
Russell Gibson
At least know what your odds are of, you know, getting that particular card, you know, whether you you do think it's worth opening that box or just going onto the secondary market and actually just buying the card that you want. I think that's the big one for me.

00:12:29.79
Adz
Sure.

00:12:31.11
Russell Gibson
I think so. And we're going to be seeing after you go.

00:12:33.24
Adz
But um yeah, yeah.

00:12:35.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:35.76
Adz
Yeah, well, I think you've hit the nail on the head with it with a certain point. Transparency is the big one.

00:12:40.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:40.92
Adz
um wait We're not trying to regulate the hobby into out of existence, I guess is probably my term. But what we're trying to do is have that that level of safety and security that what we're entering into, we're we're fully educated and aware of what we're buying into.

00:12:59.82
Adz
If I buy, and we'll say a loot box, a repack, whatever it is, if I don't know what the odds are,

00:13:02.96
Russell Gibson
Well, you can choose to whether to be educated or not, right? Yeah.

00:13:05.63
Adz
Yeah, but if if the option isn't there to tell me what I'm buying into, I think that's unfair because you don't know if the repack run is 100 packs or 2,000 packs.

00:13:06.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:10.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:17.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

00:13:17.80
Adz
Now that changes whether or not I want to purchase that product.

00:13:18.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:21.09
Russell Gibson
Which is the perfect segue for us to talk about our sponsor, right?

00:13:21.35
Adz
And and I think the the option, yeah, exactly.

00:13:24.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:24.93
Adz
it me we we We leverage this quite well.

00:13:25.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:28.08
Adz
um But yeah, like understanding what you're purchasing, having the information, we don't have to force everybody to to read the terms and conditions.

00:13:39.96
Adz
However, we should be, we should have that information if we want it. Like it should be there and available. And I think it's deceptive if they don't have that, offer that information.

00:13:52.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:52.82
Adz
And and I think something as simple as that, the transparency takes that loot box, a gambling aspect away. um

00:14:02.39
Adz
Yeah, I do think there's different levels of regulation required in different zones as well. Like there's loot boxes, there's sealed product, and then there's a secondary market.

00:14:12.72
Adz
And I think there's different types of regulation needed in all of them.

00:14:16.85
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:14:17.96
Adz
But some oversight in some capacity, I feel.

00:14:20.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah, i I think I'd probably prefer oversight or some level of control as opposed to like a true regulating body. I just think if we do regulate it, I think that will slow things down and might make the hobby a little bit cramped.

00:14:27.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:32.93
Russell Gibson
And, you know, there are some fun things about having a relatively unregulated hobby too, if that makes sense. Like there's maybe a bit more opportunity for

00:14:42.96
Adz
I suppose if there's regulation, there's the opportunity there's there's a ah level of safety and protects you from exploitation.

00:14:48.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:49.95
Adz
I.e. like if you regulate, kt there are consequences for... like Imagine if it was actual was actually against the law to provide a counterfeit card.

00:15:01.43
Adz
and it and There are fraud laws.

00:15:02.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, there is, a okay, actually, let me I've thought of the perfect example, actually, what I would say. So for example, I wouldn't want regulation, per se, but I would like control. So for example, there can't be just one company making all the cards, because I feel like some of the bad stuff that panini did was because they had no competition, they just do whatever the hell they wanted to. If it was panini and fanatics going head to head, I think that will be a really good control. So it'd be like,

00:15:27.76
Russell Gibson
They would have to, you know, relatively keep their print runs under control.

00:15:30.31
Adz
Yep.

00:15:31.10
Russell Gibson
They would have to really be competitive with their product, with their quality control too. You know what I mean? I think that will be something that will be really good.

00:15:36.52
Adz
Yeah, spot on.

00:15:38.40
Russell Gibson
But you know, that's up to the NBA to, you know, to put that out there.

00:15:38.43
Adz
Yep.

00:15:41.50
Russell Gibson
So, surly sports cards. I hope you're well made. Thank you so much for jumping in. The language on the boxes has become pretty laughable. No hard facts, just you may hit or it can contain. 100%.

00:15:52.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that sucks. Like if you,

00:15:52.94
Adz
Oh, like patches and stuff like that as well.

00:15:54.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, if you want to get three hits out of a box, there should be three hits in the box. You know, that's exactly what it should be.

00:15:58.16
Adz
That's it.

00:15:59.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:00.76
Adz
What happened to the good old days of one in 36 packs?

00:16:01.29
Russell Gibson
So yeah,

00:16:03.69
Adz
Basically one per box. Yeah.

00:16:06.18
Russell Gibson
Adam, I'll let you have the final say onto this and then listeners who are currently in the chat, we're going to go to a quick break after Adam's final thought, put some conversation pieces or a topic for us to talk about in the comments. And when we get back, we will talk about it.

00:16:22.20
Adz
Yeah, I look, I think, uh, overall, I think some kind of regulatory body and I'm going to, I don't know if I'm going to segue and end up opening a can of worms here, but we've talked about Panini being the only regulatory body.

00:16:35.73
Adz
I'm going to give you three letters right now to actually consider about how this is becoming a monopoly PSA.

00:16:36.20
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:16:44.26
Adz
If the only body that is the, author the, the. The controlling authority on grading is PSA, is that gonna be a problem down the track? Because we are giving them all of the power at the moment.

00:16:58.33
Russell Gibson
No, I think at the moment, actually grading is a good example of how you have open competition and then you've got the different companies doing different niches and then pushing each other forward.

00:17:08.79
Adz
I feel like PSA is still, the the PSA has got too much control is probably my my thought on that at the moment.

00:17:15.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:17:16.68
Adz
And that's the way they're headed.

00:17:17.04
Russell Gibson
Because they're so dominant, definitely.

00:17:18.04
Adz
Correct, correct.

00:17:19.38
Russell Gibson
Hey, do you know what would be so funny if um the regulating body was panini and they had to come in and like audit fanatics?

00:17:19.40
Adz
um

00:17:24.91
Adz
Oh my God, that would be the best, wouldn't it? No, upper deck. No, don't don't let upper a deck do a Jesus.

00:17:32.27
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go let's go to our first break ad.

00:17:32.65
Adz
um

00:17:34.87
Russell Gibson
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00:18:29.96
Russell Gibson
for supporting us. We really appreciate it. Adam, we are back. How are you, buddy?

00:18:39.44
Adz
I'm great, I'm great. I just responded to the chat, the saying, well, so many, yeah, nah, yeah answers. And that is literally what all card companies seem to be.

00:18:49.76
Russell Gibson
All right. Have we got any questions from the listeners that we can talk about?

00:18:55.26
Adz
No, so it's it's more Al going on about Panini.

00:19:01.66
Russell Gibson
Okay, well in that case.

00:19:01.71
Adz
So like, yep. No guarantees, it's just, and no, the whole chat is like the last few comments are very much a don't. Yeah, not the non-committal stance when it comes to um card companies saying you may get this, you might get that, we can't guarantee anything but there's a chance, blah, blah, blah.

00:19:17.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:21.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:21.81
Adz
um Actually, no, we've got CSJ's potential bright spot that is real big company that I think market share has potential to grow. was the last comment.

00:19:35.81
Russell Gibson
All righty, so why don't we do a bit of a segment, which is we put something up to say, what would you like to hear about? So why don't we talk about some of the topics? Why don't we start with Josh Smith? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Miles McBride. I feel like he's had a real jump this season. Also, if Kat has had any movement in the market since his trade to the Knicks. So I think why don't we do that? Why don't we talk about Miles McBride?

00:20:02.58
Adz
Yep.

00:20:02.80
Russell Gibson
um And then also, why don't we really quickly touch on Carl Anthony Towns?

00:20:08.17
Adz
Cool.

00:20:08.36
Russell Gibson
Should we start with Carl Anthony Towns? I think that's the easier one to talk about, Ed.

00:20:12.16
Adz
Yeah, let's do it. Let's go to cat.

00:20:13.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Where are you at with Carl Anthony Towns?

00:20:16.85
Adz
He's got a better spot in New York. He's enjoying basketball.

00:20:20.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:20.67
Adz
It's lovely. It's good to see. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he's got, as far as his play goes, I think he's finally found a nice place to play.

00:20:31.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:31.49
Adz
um As far as the hobby goes, I think the ship sailed.

00:20:36.72
Russell Gibson
Oh, really?

00:20:37.33
Adz
I think he is what he is. Like I just, did do you see people jumping on board now and there being a ah crazy hype train for Kat or?

00:20:46.25
Russell Gibson
So I feel like we did talk about him in the last couple of weeks, so we can just really quickly recap this.

00:20:46.50
Adz
i I just don't, I just.

00:20:50.96
Russell Gibson
He was the number one overall pick.

00:20:52.55
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:20:52.64
Russell Gibson
There was, you know, some huge prices that have been spent on Kat. Old time he was up to $1,400 at his peak. Look before that, that wasn't the super crazy time. So even in 2018, you could pick up a cat rookie for $600. I kind of feel like he's the type of guy where his prices are much lower than his talent, but realistically it doesn't mean that someone you should go out and purchase because I think obviously the vision the position that he plays isn't fantastic for the hobby and also the market that it was in was Minnesota so then you know there wasn't a lot going on but if you look at the last six months he's up 28% and in the last six months he actually sold up to 350 if you look at the last three months which is probably that has less out a higher outlier sales in it he's still up 15% so he's gone from

00:21:32.51
Adz
Yeah. Mm.

00:21:43.01
Russell Gibson
163 and the last sale of that was 240. So he's currently trading at 240. Could he get back to 350, which he was say three months ago? um I think 100%. There's no reason that he couldn't. I think the Knicks are going to have a nice deep playoff run. And kind of interestingly too,

00:21:59.82
Russell Gibson
I think if they don't do well this year, there's still enough youth on that team in terms of it's not like the Golden State Warriors where they're sort of age wise, you know, maxed out.

00:22:08.90
Adz
Hmm.

00:22:09.30
Russell Gibson
I think next year they could still keep building, you know, on top of this program and go back. I think the only risk for me is like, Coach Thebes just turned tends to burn people out. So it's like, Michael Bridges is the Iron Man, but at some point, Thebes is going to break this dude down, you know, same as Jalen Brunson.

00:22:25.78
Russell Gibson
ah There was a post going around on social media this week about how many minutes that the starting lineup of the Knicks has been playing together. It's like the top seven lineups from the NBA in terms of minutes played, you know, five or six of them was the Knicks.

00:22:32.99
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.

00:22:39.63
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, at some point they're going to get some injuries, and you know, and that will probably slow down a little bit. And I probably put cat into that same equation to like Thebes doesn't believe in load management and resting play players and you know, keeping the minutes down like so.

00:22:49.99
Adz
No.

00:22:54.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:54.55
Russell Gibson
I think I think that's a risk but at the same time, no, I think there's a lot of optimism to be had for cat, particularly if you're buying into him say six months ago, or even if you're buying into him now. So I think that's my, that's my very long winded answer on cat.

00:23:05.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:09.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:09.38
Adz
Um, yeah, comment in the cat cat rookie cards might not sort of be the, um, the go. Like, I don't think Nick's fans will be, might be interested in by acquiring Minnesota cards.

00:23:22.00
Adz
So maybe cat Nick's stuff when it comes out inserts, is it going to be a cat kaboom this year?

00:23:25.62
Russell Gibson
All right. No, I'm going to push back on that. I don't think that's true because if you look at that, the only thing that's changed realistically in the last six months is his location.

00:23:36.33
Russell Gibson
Right. So like clearly, do you know what I mean?

00:23:37.61
Adz
Hmm.

00:23:38.96
Russell Gibson
Like clearly that's not, that's not how the market is playing out. You know, I think people are like looking at this guy, looking at his talent and it's possible he's going to be an old star again this year. So yeah.

00:23:49.94
Adz
There's a chance, there's a high chance. Yep, for sure.

00:23:52.97
Russell Gibson
All right, let's talk about Miles McBride. This is a little bit more of a um up my alley in terms of prospecting on someone, you know, ultra low end here.

00:23:59.57
Adz
sir

00:24:01.74
Russell Gibson
So there's actually some good sales on this guy and a pretty big range of sales. So Immaculate RPA, it's sold for $83 USD. I'll just round that up very slightly.

00:24:12.46
Russell Gibson
A green Prism rookie card. sold for $3.25. But this is the one that's actually caught my attention the most. So so the Fastbreak Green, one out of five, that sold for $250 USD.

00:24:23.91
Russell Gibson
So I kind of put sales like that, you know, anything over than $100 for a prospect, I think is meaning that there's a lot of um optimism in that space for that kid.

00:24:24.29
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:35.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:35.54
Russell Gibson
And there are some crazy Knicks fans out there I think this kid's got a lot of juice actually, and I think he's got a bit of talent. So it's just more about um him getting spots in the rotation.

00:24:46.38
Russell Gibson
And that's a tough rotation to crack. Like realistically, Jalen Brunson's not going anywhere.

00:24:48.80
Adz
yeah

00:24:52.21
Russell Gibson
So that's what probably leads me to not buying into this guy heavily. I think it's fine to have one or two cards of this guy, but I wouldn't be putting my life savings into it. Yeah.

00:25:03.11
Adz
I feel like there's a secondary segment come that comes to my mind. what What are you actually prospecting on when you prospect on a player? As in, are you hoping they become a top 100 player of all time? ah you what do you What is the reason you prospect?

00:25:19.46
Russell Gibson
I think it depends on obviously the price of the card and then also too of, you know, where you think that player is going to end up.

00:25:22.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:26.98
Adz
where the ceiling is, yeah.

00:25:27.30
Russell Gibson
And that's probably why I'm a little bit stuck on McBride. It's like, I don't really see him becoming a starter.

00:25:31.77
Adz
Yep.

00:25:32.61
Russell Gibson
I don't particularly see him becoming an All-Star or an All-NBA player. So for me, he's a little bit limited.

00:25:37.38
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:39.07
Russell Gibson
And particularly in the current situation, like Brunson is really the engine that drives that team.

00:25:39.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:43.79
Adz
Of course, yep.

00:25:44.06
Russell Gibson
So that for me is really limiting for other point guards.

00:25:47.43
Adz
Yep.

00:25:47.96
Russell Gibson
Um, to answer your question, it's also about price point, um, and where you sort of see that person ending up at some point.

00:25:50.71
Adz
Yep.

00:25:53.73
Adz
Mmm.

00:25:53.91
Russell Gibson
So the one for me is like my big sort of prospect in my mind at the moment is Herb Jones. He's injured at the moment. So it becomes very tricky, but I was like, look, he's already got one side of the court covered.

00:26:01.34
Adz
Hmm.

00:26:04.20
Russell Gibson
He's an all NBA defender already. And offensively, I'm like, he's not that far away from being, you know, a good enough player that

00:26:07.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:12.16
Adz
Yep.

00:26:12.57
Russell Gibson
he'll earn 35 minutes a game. And then could he then become an all star, you know, based off that that's what I was sort of prospecting on. um Obviously, it's not gone the way I was hoping it was going to go.

00:26:24.07
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, I'm still not giving up hope on him. You know, I think for the price he's currently at, I think that's a really good price. So that's some of the things that I sort of factor in when I'm prospecting.

00:26:32.73
Adz
Okay.

00:26:33.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:33.68
Adz
But yeah, like, we but ah I suppose my question in that is, if you're if you you you're wanting him obviously to improve, but where' where's that ceiling? where's Where does her Herb Jones sit on at the picnic area at the bottom of Mount Rushmore?

00:26:47.93
Adz
Like how far up the mountain is he gonna climb?

00:26:50.15
Russell Gibson
Oh, like in terms of the old, old time.

00:26:50.87
Adz
Like, what are we...

00:26:52.53
Russell Gibson
No, definitely not. But I think he has potential to be an all star. I think that would be his high end.

00:26:56.18
Adz
Okay, okay, yeah.

00:26:57.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:57.54
Adz
So, so okay, so i just I'm trying to to gauge

00:26:57.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:01.73
Adz
Yeah. What the, what the, the best case scenario looks like.

00:27:05.43
Russell Gibson
I think he could be a top 30 NBA player.

00:27:07.99
Adz
Cool. Okay.

00:27:08.53
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:27:09.29
Adz
Yeah. No, that's yeah.

00:27:09.99
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:27:10.57
Adz
Cause I think it's just, where do I see? And and you see someone who was it, um, camp Thomas when he came out and dropped 50 or whatever it was. And the first I put back to back 40 point games, I'd be like, okay, where's this guy's ceiling?

00:27:22.52
Adz
Is he going to be a new scoring King? Is he, or is he a flash in the pan that I'm never going to see again?

00:27:28.27
Russell Gibson
No, he's going to be a 15 year pro and he'll be someone like Jamal Crawford, who just comes off the bench and and can do 20 points.

00:27:34.65
Adz
And always does his points, yeah, yeah.

00:27:35.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But I think the issue with him is obviously playmaking. He's, he's not someone you can build an offense around. I think he's just like a gunner and defensively. He's no Hove Jones.

00:27:46.98
Russell Gibson
Let's just put it that way.

00:27:47.83
Adz
Yeah, nice way, nice.

00:27:48.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:50.81
Adz
We've got a couple of questions in in the in and the chat.

00:27:51.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. let Let's go to the, let's go to the the chat.

00:27:54.47
Adz
um First one from silly sports cards. Who's an underrated player you think deserves more shine in the collecting world?

00:28:04.56
Russell Gibson
ah Would you like to answer this first?

00:28:04.65
Adz
Hmm. Who do I think deserves a little more shine? um

00:28:16.06
Adz
That's an interesting one. I think Kate Cunningham, but I'm still on, well, we've covered Kate.

00:28:19.62
Russell Gibson
Okay, let's talk about caves. I'm very happy.

00:28:23.42
Adz
We've covered Kate a lot recently, but I really, I think Kate is is is a ready to to to take a step up.

00:28:30.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, no, I think that's fine. I think like if that's what you think, that's what you think. And I think it's really good to talk about him because we should be giving more love to the Pistons. I think the Pistons this year have been really good. And obviously they're going to make the playoffs this year. Like statistically, like the odds of not making the playoffs is like is excellent this year.

00:28:48.81
Adz
Yep.

00:28:49.13
Russell Gibson
um All right, so really quickly, the last three months, he's up 17%, which is fantastic. He had a recent sale of 450. His most recent sale was 376. So yeah, he's made a huge um comeback because I think in the last two years, he was down to $200.

00:29:07.81
Russell Gibson
So he was like way down from where he's currently sitting at.

00:29:08.85
Adz
Yep.

00:29:12.83
Russell Gibson
Basically, yeah, if you had a bought him in that $200 mark, you've just doubled your money. That's the the best way to say it. All right. So I think the obvious one really for us to talk about is SGA, but I think that's a little bit sort of too obvious.

00:29:27.42
Adz
but In a chat with James Gregory said Marvin Williams.

00:29:33.57
Russell Gibson
I'm not even sure James realized that Marvin Williams has retired, you know, quite a number of years ago. But, you know, that's okay. I think the other obvious one, which we've spoken about, you know, multiple times is Tyrese Maxey.

00:29:46.91
Russell Gibson
I think we can't really go past, you know, without saying that.

00:29:48.01
Adz
Oh, Maxi.

00:29:50.35
Russell Gibson
Another one that we spoke about recently, which is he's never going to get hobby love, but is Norman Powell. I think he's become, you know, a fantastic and NBA player who I definitely um respect.

00:29:57.03
Adz
Okay.

00:30:01.30
Russell Gibson
And I think the last one, which is the one I'm going to focus on now is Donovan Mitchell, because

00:30:02.20
Adz
Ooh.

00:30:06.75
Russell Gibson
I think the problem with Donovan Mitchell was that he was in a very difficult situation being Utah in terms of you know market size. He was also up against the likes of Jason Tatum. And I think if you sort of zoom back to 2017, which is the rookie class that he came out of, um Almost all of the hobby love went to to Tatum and then of course the influences pushed um Darren Fox during that time period too but then like realistically what's happened with Donovan Mitchell is you know he was traded out of a situation that was probably

00:30:41.29
Russell Gibson
the best for him.

00:30:42.86
Adz
yeah

00:30:42.93
Russell Gibson
And he's landed now in a situation where he's playing on the best team in the league. So I probably think using that sort of mindset alone, that's where I'm kind of like, should actually we be taking a ah tougher look at Donovan Mitchell and saying, you know, does this dude have legs because about 12 or 18 months ago I went through a period I was like you could pick up Donovan Mitchell PSA 10s for nothing just for like 30 or 40 USD and so I was I was just picking them up I would say casually like I don't have a huge war chest of Donovan Mitchell but you know I've got enough there I'm kind of like you know I didn't see this happening like there's no way in my wildest dreams what I've said the Cavaliers would be the best team in the league you know halfway through the season like I'm just being honest about it I i never would have expected that but

00:31:29.18
Russell Gibson
you know, I think it's it's really positive. So if you zoom back to the last two years, this is on his silver PSA 10 population and this this is 620.

00:31:35.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:31:38.65
Russell Gibson
He's down 22% on the last two years, but let's zoom into the last year. He's up 32%.

00:31:45.08
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:31:45.38
Russell Gibson
The last six months he's up 63% and the last three months he's up 75%. So, you know, he's had enormous growth this season and

00:31:52.60
Adz
Mm.

00:31:56.92
Russell Gibson
Um, which probably in some ways doesn't answer surly sports cards question because that kind of means he's not the most underrated anymore. If he's, if he's just gone up 75% in the last three months.

00:32:06.62
Adz
Does it, i've i've I've got one that I think answers the question and he will never get enough shine. De Monteserbonus.

00:32:12.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:17.66
Russell Gibson
Look, I think he's a really good player, but I also understand why people don't think he's collectible. So, okay, I tell you what, you try and convince me why I should be buying Demontus a bonus.

00:32:26.43
Adz
No, i think he does I think he deserves more shine because of his ability as a basketballer. But, I mean, I can i can go one step further and give you another player that I don't think gets enough shine.

00:32:30.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:36.81
Adz
His name's Nikoli Okich.

00:32:39.23
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:32:40.04
Adz
But do you know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I think even though he is now in the spotlight, I still don't think what he's doing and what he's capable of reflects his hobby pricing.

00:32:41.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:49.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:54.30
Adz
But,

00:32:55.91
Russell Gibson
Look, I think he's pretty tough because personality wise, I think he's a lovely man.

00:32:58.98
Adz
Mm.

00:33:00.57
Russell Gibson
You know, he's an effervescent guy, but he's not that engaging with the media.

00:33:00.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:04.34
Russell Gibson
Like, I think his interviews are quite short and sweet, you know?

00:33:06.98
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:33:07.97
Russell Gibson
Nice guy, but you know, whatever.

00:33:10.17
Adz
But now I'm not going to try and convince you to buy to Bontas a bonus.

00:33:10.31
Russell Gibson
I think The position that he plays is we know it's it's very tough in the hobby. And then I think even if you look at the Sacramento Kings, you actually might make the argument that he's the second most important hobby player on that team but behind Fox.

00:33:24.31
Adz
Mm. Yep. Yeah.

00:33:26.09
Russell Gibson
you know I could be wrong about that.

00:33:26.91
Adz
sir

00:33:27.45
Russell Gibson
And of course I'm biased, but that's just on his team alone, let alone when you start passing that out to 30 teams. So I think that's my sort of argument in that space.

00:33:37.22
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:37.96
Russell Gibson
um Why don't we have our second break and then we'll come back because we've got a few more players

00:33:41.83
Adz
Got to start the questions. Yeah. We've got some players.

00:33:43.79
Russell Gibson
that people want to talk about.

00:33:44.07
Adz
We've got some questions.

00:33:44.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:45.14
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:45.19
Russell Gibson
And Eamonn Thompson is someone that we should definitely talk about. And I've had some PMs about that. So so why don't we do that when we come back?

00:33:50.98
Adz
Cool.

00:33:52.22
Russell Gibson
All righty. Thank you to Fastbreak Trading Cards for your ongoing support. We really appreciate everything that you do for us. The web address is fastbreaktradingcards, all one word.com, not au, just straight dot.com. Also check them out at 75 Tulip Street in Cheltenham, Fridays 12 to six, Saturday nine to five, Sunday 10 to four. They have a fantastic shop set up there for you. They've got higher end cards in their cabinets, lower end cards in the boxes that have, there's some nice little pickups that you can faucet through there and get some stuff there. They've got Pokemon.

00:34:29.05
Russell Gibson
They have got Disney Locana, One Piece, Star Wars, Fanatics Authentic Memorabilia. They've also got a grading service with the hobby AU, if I'm saying that correctly, PSA, BGS.

00:34:40.32
Adz
yeah

00:34:41.86
Russell Gibson
They do gift cards. They also do pre ah-orders for you. Look, it's just a really it's a hobby shop that was made by hobbyists. um for the consumer. I think that's the best way and the biggest compliment that I can give their shop. Definitely check them out. Thank you so much to Fast Break Trading Cards for your ongoing support.

00:35:04.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:06.34
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's come in hot.

00:35:08.23
Adz
I mean, hot.

00:35:10.07
Russell Gibson
Let's do some listener questions. What have we got here?

00:35:11.89
Adz
I've got, i've I've got, I've got a few in here.

00:35:14.12
Russell Gibson
Alright, you lead me off, Ad.

00:35:16.60
Adz
All right. um I suppose I shouldn't go back to back with um surly sports cards. I will go with one from Al. ah What are your thoughts on the price of NT when there are no top rookie signatures in it?

00:35:25.49
Russell Gibson
sure

00:35:30.44
Russell Gibson
Hmm. So actually the price this year has been pretty level. It hasn't spiked that hard.

00:35:39.10
Adz
Is that because of the lack of signatures, certain signatures?

00:35:43.01
Russell Gibson
I think the signatures has definitely got something to do with it, but the other thing they've done too, which is actually, this is a really nice segue because I wanted to talk to you about this at some point. They've also done like an international release of NT this year.

00:35:54.52
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, people can get their hands on it at a lower price point. And so there's not, there's obviously still really nice cards in the, you know, the traditional, the hobby NT, but at the same time,

00:35:59.59
Adz
Okay.

00:36:09.21
Russell Gibson
um breakers are also doing the international NT, which sort of, you know, takes the attention away from the other NT a little bit. So I actually think them doing that, when I say them, Panini doing that, it's really done themselves a disservice in terms of

00:36:16.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:24.81
Russell Gibson
um you know the resale of it but i suppose at the same time what do they care about the resale they don't make money out of that do they what they make money out of his increase in the print run on something and i think if i'm being pragmatic about this conversation they really milking.

00:36:35.53
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.

00:36:40.32
Russell Gibson
The last twelve to twenty four months of their licenses here and and yeah that's all that this is about yet.

00:36:43.97
Adz
would they would you expect anything else? Like if if you were in that situation and you knew you're losing losing the license, wouldn't you just...

00:36:50.58
Russell Gibson
No, i I didn't expect them to do an NT International. Like if they do a flawless, no, like I think NT in my mind is a little bit sacred.

00:36:53.77
Adz
Really?

00:36:58.06
Russell Gibson
It's it's in the same sentence as flawless. You know, it has.

00:37:01.90
Adz
I think that shows that it's it's no longer sacred because they're losing the license. Do you know what I mean?

00:37:06.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so so the cards that are sacred for me in NT is the the vertical RPA like that is, you know,

00:37:06.18
Adz
like there

00:37:13.46
Adz
Well, the RP's you mean.

00:37:15.40
Russell Gibson
that's, you know, a car that's numbered to 99, you know, is something that's so collected and people, you know, value in it.

00:37:16.39
Adz
Rookie Patch Nauto? Yeah, I know.

00:37:23.45
Adz
Sure.

00:37:23.61
Russell Gibson
And it's this really weird paradigm to where people value the one that's to 99 more than the ones to 10 and to 25. Like it's, it's just that car that everybody wants.

00:37:30.98
Adz
Sure. So my, my t ti did, did Fanatics ruin it?

00:37:33.67
Russell Gibson
So to make an international product out of that, it's just a little bit surprising.

00:37:39.29
Adz
Do you know what I mean?

00:37:39.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:37:39.77
Adz
by they With the autographs, the fact that you can't get the top rookies in this sacred card because of nonsense with contracts and who can sign what.

00:37:45.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:50.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And so last year when we I'm, kind of glad that that no auto card is not happening anymore.

00:37:52.85
Adz
like I still think Panini should have trademarked the no autograph thing from the first to the next day autos and really doubled down on that.

00:38:05.20
Russell Gibson
I think that's just appalling. And I'm sort of glad they've just moved on.

00:38:07.06
Adz
mean It makes me, I wanna get one now that they're not doing it again. It makes it rare, collectible, there'll be demand.

00:38:14.62
Russell Gibson
Oh, I don't know.

00:38:14.91
Adz
It's a piece of history, just like the Olympic cards.

00:38:16.14
Russell Gibson
Does any does anyone care? i'm not Yeah. But yeah, so look, one thing I will actually make a comment on, again, this is a really good segue. So the last time we spoke, and this is last year, we spoke about NT, we're like, Oh, there's now stickers in NT.

00:38:30.53
Russell Gibson
But actually, that's not true. So if you look back at the last five, you know, years of NT, there's always been stickers in it. So that's actually something that's a little bit I feel like we need to correct the narrative on that.

00:38:43.08
Russell Gibson
It hasn't just been the last couple of years they've started to put stickers into it.

00:38:44.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:46.08
Russell Gibson
So like even, yeah.

00:38:46.54
Adz
It's s dwindled, yeah.

00:38:48.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So look, I actually think they've done a reasonable job of rebounding out of this.

00:38:49.86
Adz
It's not what it used to be, definitely.

00:38:54.39
Russell Gibson
So I think they've actually said, look, what can we do to this product to make it appealing? And so they put logaments into NT this year, which, you know, people love, people collect. Um, they've made the logaments to five.

00:39:06.39
Russell Gibson
So, you know, from my perspective,

00:39:11.04
Russell Gibson
Look, I think it does depreciate the overall top value of the cards because there isn't that, you know, ultra sort of high-end chase card in this anymore, but at the same time, look, I could be wrong about this.

00:39:22.56
Russell Gibson
I haven't actually checked the resale on it, but I actually think that means it's going to be possible to get logomins out of NT for an average type of collector on the secondary market. I don't think those cards are going to be thousands of dollars.

00:39:33.27
Russell Gibson
I think they're going to be sub $1,000 for some of them.

00:39:35.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:36.18
Russell Gibson
I think the Wembley's are going to be really expensive, but, you know,

00:39:36.66
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:39:40.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:41.13
Russell Gibson
maybe I could get a Fox one for sub 1000.

00:39:41.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:43.25
Russell Gibson
Maybe I could get a ah veteran Kate Cunningham for 1000. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think, and that is somewhat appealing, you know, if they are going to, you know, blow this product out, you know, increase the print run, you know, that's kind of a positive thing for me.

00:39:48.82
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:55.66
Adz
Well, that goes back to the, the Carl Anthony towns in Nix.

00:39:57.30
Russell Gibson
So

00:40:00.86
Adz
Is there a chance for for some value for your other players?

00:40:04.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:40:04.45
Adz
It does it takes away the rookie focus, yeah.

00:40:06.63
Russell Gibson
I think people would collect those logomins. I think that's, I think that was a really good move by them. I'm a little bit interested to see if they're game worn or not, or game used, or if it's just like, not associative.

00:40:12.03
Adz
yeah

00:40:17.01
Russell Gibson
So they've just like rolled off, you know, a million patches here.

00:40:18.63
Adz
If they just start, but if they start rolling off patches that aren't game worn and stuff like that, where's the actual, if they're they're stickers and they're not even game worn jerseys, what's the point?

00:40:19.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:27.92
Russell Gibson
Hmm. look I think the would generally NT is the quality on the cards is higher I know there's always you can get some corner edges with that but I do think the aesthetics of NT is really good

00:40:42.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:42.61
Russell Gibson
um I still think that that the aesthetics of this year product is is really good. And I think holding those NT cards in your hand, like that is different to holding a Donruss card. So I still think that that aesthetics and collectability is there.

00:40:55.66
Russell Gibson
um I definitely, I know what you're saying and and I do agree with it, but at the same time, I don't think they've destroyed the product and the prices stayed down too. So it's, for me, it's not all doom and gloom.

00:41:07.47
Russell Gibson
You know, there's been some nice cards coming out of it and not all of it stickers by the way too.

00:41:07.67
Adz
Fair. Yeah. Oh, look, it's not doom and glue. I just I just don't think it's it's the it's it's not the it's not the sacred ground it once used to be.

00:41:11.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:15.23
Russell Gibson
It's not the premier product anymore.

00:41:22.19
Adz
It's um it's definitely it's definitely a mere mortal in the hobby.

00:41:23.22
Russell Gibson
100%. Yeah, definitely.

00:41:29.05
Adz
um Look, I don't know if we can but we don't want to We've got a lot of questions but a few questions now. I'll go back to the one quickly, someone on the path to being a top 75 100 player.

00:41:40.24
Adz
I'm gonna double back on my Kate Cunningham. I reckon he's definitely gonna be on the way. He has a future to a top 100 player.

00:41:45.31
Russell Gibson
to a top 100 player. Okay.

00:41:49.07
Adz
um And then I'll take the easy way out as well and say, Wendy, that guy is a freak of nature.

00:41:57.17
Russell Gibson
As in he's underrated.

00:41:58.92
Adz
No, just the question the question, someone on the path to being a top 75 slash 100 player.

00:42:04.11
Russell Gibson
Ah, who is going to be a top 25 player?

00:42:05.47
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:06.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

00:42:07.37
Adz
And I don't mean current heart type 100.

00:42:07.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So this is higher end prospecting, isn't it?

00:42:09.65
Adz
I mean, well, that was Shirley's question, top 75 slash 100 player.

00:42:11.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:14.44
Russell Gibson
Ah, sure.

00:42:14.55
Adz
And I'm, I don't know if the question is of all time, because my, my thing is, I think when B can be in the top hundred of all time.

00:42:14.96
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:42:17.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:23.88
Russell Gibson
I think his defensive metrics alone is almost enough to get him into that top 100 in addition to his insane offensive talents.

00:42:33.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:33.13
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah, if he's not top 20 all time, I think that's going to be actually a disappointment for him. You know, the you can really push this guy envelope. Look, I think Kade to be top 100 all time.

00:42:43.92
Adz
I just feel like Cade's gonna, when he break, now that he started to break out, I'm like, his ceiling is gonna be really high.

00:42:45.20
Russell Gibson
That's going to be really tough. so

00:42:52.90
Adz
I'm just seeing a few triple doubles. His his actual bag of tricks is ah deeper than I thought it was.

00:42:59.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Kate's good.

00:43:00.66
Adz
and i and I now see the number one picking him, if that makes sense.

00:43:03.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, Kate is really good, man.

00:43:07.12
Adz
All right, so, Aiman Thompson.

00:43:08.56
Russell Gibson
Let's do. Yeah, let's do Eamonn Thompson because I think this is kind of a fun one. And in terms of us talking about prospects and stuff like that. Look, I am not in love with Eamonn Thompson.

00:43:19.86
Russell Gibson
I'm just gonna put that out there, you know, really quickly. There's two Thompson brothers. A-M-E-N, he plays for Houston, if that helps anyone at home.

00:43:26.33
Adz
Yeah, Azure is the other one. Place for Detroit. Is it Detroit? It's the other brother.

00:43:31.92
Russell Gibson
God, now you're really testing my NBA name knowledge.

00:43:34.32
Adz
a Awesome. ah

00:43:36.95
Russell Gibson
um Anyway, back to Ayman Thompson. Look, I think if you're buying into this guy, I think that's totally fine.

00:43:42.53
Adz
ora

00:43:44.86
Russell Gibson
My only thing with him is I would say just be a little bit cautious because let's just focus on the Houston Rockets alone. I actually don't think he's top three on the Houston Rockets in terms of prospects.

00:43:58.13
Russell Gibson
so I'm going to choose, ah yeah, Azure. Thanks, Sean. You're right. Yeah. So I'm going to go out to limb and say, actually, Shen goon is number one, hobby wise for the Houston Rockets. And second is Jalen Green. And actually,

00:44:14.08
Russell Gibson
I think for a little while, when Jalen Green first came into the NBA, I was like, this guy's overpriced. Then his prices went down and I was actually worried, you know, is this guy going to fall off the face of the earth? But the Houston Rockets issue are good. Like, not just a little bit good. They're a genuinely good NBA team. They're well coached. They're well organized. They're a good defensive team. They're young. And actually a lot of their offensive firepower is actually built around Jalen Green.

00:44:39.70
Russell Gibson
and so There's a lot of like things in my head. I'm kind of like, it makes me actually wonder if as far as Houston's going to go is directly tied to Jalen green's offensive potential.

00:44:51.45
Russell Gibson
And so when I think about that, that's what makes me a little bit reluctant to sort of go, you know, super deep into Amen Thompson.

00:44:51.57
Adz
Fair.

00:44:58.28
Russell Gibson
So, um, do I hit it?

00:44:59.53
Adz
Hmm. Hmm. I think there's a point. There's a point about him in the chat that I agree with and I don't. Yeah.

00:45:05.82
Russell Gibson
Go.

00:45:06.23
Adz
Um, so Sean, I said, I, I mean, we'll be the main person off the table when the, when, if the rockets push for a trade point for a sort of a scoring star, sorry, D Fox or D Booker.

00:45:06.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:16.97
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like he'll be the trade piece.

00:45:21.47
Russell Gibson
Well, but I think what he's saying when he says off the table, I think he means the piece that they yeah, though they won't trade away.

00:45:27.34
Adz
They'll hold him. and they'll trade the jail in green. Do you know what I meant? Like who are they?

00:45:34.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I actually think I get what you're saying.

00:45:35.21
Adz
Who it, I put him on the, i'd I would put him on the table, but because he's undervalued, you keep him off the table, get rid of the higher performing star to get the biggest star and then bring him up.

00:45:46.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:49.27
Russell Gibson
Sure. Look, I think in terms of his contract value and all that type of stuff, like I get it. like i I really see the value there and and how in terms of building a salary cap team, you know, having Aiman Thompson makes you successful. Like I agree with that 100 percent. But I really think Jalen Green is going to be the star on that team if they sort of go to that next level. So And also too, like, who would you take trade get Jalen Green for to take you to that next level above that like, actually, if so Jimmy Butler is the guy that's on the table at the moment that you would

00:46:10.66
Adz
Fair.

00:46:22.26
Russell Gibson
mostly argue that is available in terms of a star, but I think trading Jalen Green for Jimmy Butler, that's the wrong thing to do because offensively, I don't think Jimmy Butler is actually better than Jalen Green.

00:46:33.75
Russell Gibson
He's less of an athlete. He's definitely a better defensive player, but then you have to factor in the age factor then too.

00:46:35.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:38.99
Russell Gibson
Like Jalen Green is still, you know, really young and you know, I think that's the other thing that's exciting about Houston now.

00:46:41.31
Adz
Young. Yep.

00:46:44.39
Russell Gibson
It's like, you know, that team is really young and really talented. So, um,

00:46:49.50
Adz
It's interesting about the trade questions, because my my big thought this season, and I think this season highlights it, I think it's been happening a lot recently, is the teams that are staying the course and not trading for the big star are growing and becoming better teams.

00:46:58.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:03.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:06.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely the continuity of teams. So like Cleveland is like the 101 team on that, isn't it?

00:47:08.25
Adz
Yep. Mm hmm.

00:47:10.60
Russell Gibson
It's like, yeah.

00:47:10.69
Adz
The Thunder.

00:47:13.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:13.96
Adz
It's yeah.

00:47:14.21
Russell Gibson
So so let's do some prices on Eamonn Thompson. Look, I think if you're buying this guy at the moment, I think it's totally fine.

00:47:17.10
Adz
Let's do it.

00:47:20.50
Russell Gibson
Green Prism rookie card for $1.78. A Spectra patch to $149. That's a two color Spectra patch um for $15.50. A silver select rookie card for $0.99.

00:47:31.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:34.32
Russell Gibson
A Monopoly card for $0.99. Like um Yeah, look, I think if you're buying into this guy, I think that's fun. I think that's exciting. Even if he bottoms out to nothing, you're not going to lose any sleep over it. You can click this kid, you can watch him on league pass, like the Houston Rockets are a league pass team at the moment that you should be watching.

00:47:53.82
Russell Gibson
You know, look, that's totally fine. Look, I think just for me, the narrative in my head is like, should you actually be buying up Jalen Green at the moment? I actually think that's almost like a more fun conversation because, you know, could he be exploding out into that next sort of superstar, you know, level?

00:48:09.84
Russell Gibson
So I think that's what's kind of um more on my mind when I think about the Houston Rockets.

00:48:13.44
Adz
Mmm No, not about and not not about Dylan Brooks, you're not thinking Dylan Brooks when you I Look I I have no love no hobby love no actual out of the hobby.

00:48:14.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hey, man, we got to go to another break. Sorry. fucking hate Dylan Brooks. I really hate that guy. I i know you're trying to set me up here too. Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:30.77
Adz
No nothing. No, Dylan Brooks can Disappear into the void

00:48:36.85
Russell Gibson
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00:48:58.17
Russell Gibson
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00:49:25.34
Russell Gibson
NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL, soccer, TCG, UFC, pop culture, WWE racing. And then it's all into year and also then to the product type. So Ross, congratulations on um manifesting your OCD into a very positive thing. If you're looking for some toys, we've also got some water pistols up for sale on there too. So thank you so much guys for your ongoing support.

00:50:04.98
Russell Gibson
All righty, Adam, we're back. How are you doing?

00:50:07.89
Adz
um'm um'm I'm doing well, I think this has been fun.

00:50:10.78
Russell Gibson
It has.

00:50:11.47
Adz
This has been a lot of fun.

00:50:12.59
Russell Gibson
It has, yeah. um Did we answer all the questions out of the the live chat from before?

00:50:17.34
Adz
ah So I've got, i I'll give you ah some of the highlights here, because there's been back and forth, but I've got, certainly sports cars have been watching some Cavs lately and Evan Mobley is pretty damn good.

00:50:25.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:31.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah, mobile is good.

00:50:32.31
Adz
Um, so maybe, maybe a bit of a chat on Mobly. Uh, the other one was James Gregory. How is Derek Rose rookies going now that he's retired? So maybe a quick check in on D Rose.

00:50:44.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we can do Derrick Rose.

00:50:45.04
Adz
Um, and then, yeah, just people clarifying, um, or the other, um, Thompson brother plays for the Pistons.

00:50:52.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:53.15
Adz
Um, yeah. And then, um, Sean did say if Jimmy Butler goes to the Rockets, he'll eat his whole Rockets PC.

00:51:01.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, I can.

00:51:03.58
Adz
i did I think that that the headline there would be Houston, we have a problem. Why would you crash the rocket ship by sending Jimmy buckets there? I'm sorry.

00:51:13.08
Russell Gibson
I actually could see the head coach like being in on that.

00:51:16.77
Adz
By trying to get him.

00:51:18.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:19.04
Adz
Really?

00:51:19.22
Russell Gibson
I, I kind of see how those like two personalities are like crazy competitors, you know, a bit insane in terms of they're like, but you know, it's like, what would you give up for it?

00:51:22.14
Adz
wo

00:51:28.57
Russell Gibson
and I think if you gave up jail in green, that would be too much, but yeah.

00:51:31.11
Adz
and your And your supporters, obviously, I think.

00:51:35.01
Adz
you're giving up your fan base, I don't know. I don't think they'd be in support of it. young Young growing team, I think it's great. um But they're the two main questions out of the chat.

00:51:40.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. All right, well, let's, let's talk Derrick Rose.

00:51:42.44
Adz
um

00:51:44.21
Russell Gibson
So 2008 tops Chrome, Derrick Rose card number 181. So let's talk about the refractor. This is actually kind of a cool one to talk about because the population on the PSA 10 on this is just 11.

00:51:57.80
Adz
Okay.

00:51:58.15
Russell Gibson
And so we actually need to go to the all-time sales data on this because actually these get sold very, very infrequently. In fact, we can recap every single sale ever on this.

00:52:09.73
Russell Gibson
That's how many sales of it there's been. So one sold for $32 in 2009.

00:52:11.91
Adz
Wow.

00:52:15.86
Russell Gibson
Another one sold for $148 in 2012. Then between 2012 in 2021, there's no sales data. It doesn't mean there's no sales of it, but there's no sales data there.

00:52:27.08
Russell Gibson
And it sold for $1,300. Obviously, this is peak COVID time we're now talking about. And the most recent sale was very recently, and that sold for $574.

00:52:38.39
Adz
In October, 2023, yeah.

00:52:39.11
Russell Gibson
Look at $574 for an MVP ah rookie card with a population of 11 on it. You know, I actually think that's, um I think that's a really good buy.

00:52:51.70
Adz
Hmm. It's an interesting one.

00:52:53.40
Russell Gibson
And probably what we should do now is also look at the BGS. There's actually no BGS data on this one.

00:52:59.14
Adz
Hmm.

00:52:59.79
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah, you're right.

00:52:59.96
Adz
Well, the next one down there, there's a little bit more on the, the, the nine PSA nine.

00:53:04.95
Russell Gibson
There's a lot more sales data. You want to run through that?

00:53:06.21
Adz
Pop 82. There's 30 sales that are um going from like $18. Most recent is $200, which was on the 7th of January this year.

00:53:13.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:53:17.17
Adz
So that that may have sparked like a recent, a recent, um, Couple of sales, around the $200 mark for PSA 9.

00:53:23.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it looks like they're sort of floating between 80 and $175.

00:53:28.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:29.32
Russell Gibson
And then so to answer James's question specifically, yes, there has been a bit more activity on this card um since his retirement thing.

00:53:34.18
Adz
Yep.

00:53:36.34
Russell Gibson
But I'd probably say for me, the big thing about Derek Rose is that his character recovered after that legal case that he had, because I really think that

00:53:44.00
Adz
Mmm.

00:53:45.57
Russell Gibson
there was a little bit of a cloud hanging over his head. So in terms of a redemption story, and you know, someone sort of getting their life and their act back together, I think, you know, that's that's a good one on that.

00:53:47.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:55.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:56.47
Russell Gibson
I do actually think this is an interesting one for us to keep in mind for future serves. And so in terms of comps ad, it's like, if this is a former MVP of the league, with a low population like this, and this is what his current prices are, do you almost use that as like a measuring stick for say,

00:54:10.25
Adz
I think his career was very different to the trajectory, like early MVP, but then nothing really, do you know, like the big, the fall from grace, you'd call it.

00:54:25.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:54:26.62
Adz
um

00:54:27.15
Russell Gibson
So where I'm going to with this is like Tyrese Halliburton or let's, or Cade Cunningham. Like Halliburton hasn't had an MVP and neither is Cade Cunningham, but still their cards are like a lot more expensive than what you're paying for for a Derek Rose.

00:54:44.13
Russell Gibson
And so do you know where I'm sort of going with this?

00:54:46.13
Adz
Yeah, well you got someone that's won an MVP and then never won again.

00:54:46.25
Russell Gibson
It's like, actually,

00:54:49.53
Adz
You got Russell Westbrook. Is he a comparison?

00:54:53.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Westbrook is funny. There's like, I would say the population on Westbrook stuff is probably about the same as Rose though. It's, you know, it's super low. So actually Halliburton is down, man. So the Last Ale on Halliburton is $159 for a silver PSA 10. Pop on that's $422. So that's actually relatively comparable, isn't it, to a Rose? But using that metric, I'd probably prefer to have a ah Rose then. Oh, it's a PSA 9 though, isn't it?

00:55:21.35
Adz
Right. 2008 Top's Chrome Russell Westbrook Pop 4.

00:55:26.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:26.76
Adz
Last sold. $1,920.

00:55:30.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think the big thing on that's the population though, isn't it?

00:55:35.37
Adz
Yeah, probably.

00:55:35.84
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:55:36.61
Adz
um Pop 4 on that. Yep. Yep. Last sold November 2024. So it's not. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

00:55:43.88
Russell Gibson
Alright, Sean is vomiting about my comments about the Houston Rockets before then he went on to say, that's a good price just to have even if you never sold the Derek Rose rookie just having your collection would be so damn cool.

00:55:54.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%.

00:55:55.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:55.31
Russell Gibson
I think there's nothing wrong with sitting something like that in your collection. And I also think too, you know, we talk about the long term hold on, you know, very particular cards. I think if you're picking up something like that, that's, you know, a former MVP of the league is ultra low pop, it's pretty unlikely that the population on that is going to spike up to 200 or 1000.

00:56:14.98
Russell Gibson
It's never never going to get to 1000, but even say 100 or 200.

00:56:19.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:20.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's like a, you know, it's a nice little long term hold. So early sports cards, he highly spent the offseason reading his own press and he's suffering from this season. and Yeah, look, I mean, is Halliburton suffering this year?

00:56:32.85
Russell Gibson
Or is just like,

00:56:33.21
Adz
I don't think, I think he's just enjoying the bus ride just like he did at the Olympics.

00:56:36.43
Russell Gibson
Or is this some of the shine come off, you know, a little bit of the Halliburton like hype train that people are on. I actually don't think he's playing badly this year.

00:56:42.08
Adz
I think Indiana are just going under the radar. You watch. There could just be a force to be reckoned with come off, come the off season.

00:56:54.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe.

00:56:55.02
Adz
Who knows?

00:56:56.60
Russell Gibson
um Alrighty, so we did a segment a while back called the sooks of the NBA. um Al Keynes has answered this one. He said, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, James Harden and Joel Embiid.

00:57:09.25
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the reason why I put Embiid up as the picture on that post is because Embiid is just my most hated sook at the moment. I think someone else as an honorable mention has got to be Luca.

00:57:22.17
Russell Gibson
That's my, my big one to Ben.

00:57:23.15
Adz
Ha ha ha. Here's the the new new LeBron winge, yeah.

00:57:29.11
Russell Gibson
Like Ben Simmons shouldn't get a mention. The guy barely plays anymore. And does he suck that much? I mean, he more sucks in terms of like getting himself onto the court and, you know, getting his act together.

00:57:37.39
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

00:57:39.55
Russell Gibson
So listeners in the chat, who do you think your biggest sucks are in this, in this league? And Adam, who do you think you're, you're most at least give me three.

00:57:45.57
Adz
Oh, look, I'd say Luca. Luca for sure.

00:57:49.66
Russell Gibson
Cause I feel like Lucas just easy pickings for you.

00:57:52.42
Adz
Luca and then Luca Senior, LeBron James.

00:57:58.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:59.15
Adz
And then um maybe it's maybe they're the three.

00:58:00.47
Russell Gibson
I thought Lucas Sr. was James Harden though.

00:58:06.51
Russell Gibson
to

00:58:07.22
Adz
But LeBron is, come on, you've got to say since that um J.R. ah Smith moment, I think that that meme of LeBron just like, he does that to the refs all the time.

00:58:17.77
Russell Gibson
Like, hang on a second, oh I'll defend LeBron on that. If you've got a teammate who's a professional athlete who's dribbling literally the opposite end of what they should have been, when they should have been getting up a shot instead of milking the clock down. Like that is, he deserved that, um, the look that he got. Yeah.

00:58:35.49
Adz
Yeah. is is Oh, no, I was going to say, oh I was going to say, is Yanis becoming a Suk, but not really.

00:58:42.75
Russell Gibson
I think.

00:58:42.81
Adz
i feel like those I feel like those big players that don't get calls because they're physical, they don't deserve Suk status.

00:58:49.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:54.38
Adz
Because I think there's a they they are refereed slightly differently.

00:58:57.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think the stars get more leeway than anyone else should get.

00:59:02.43
Adz
But there's also players that are very physical and get in there and get smacked around, but because they're stronger, they need to be fouled harder for anything to be called, which is...

00:59:12.43
Russell Gibson
That was the Shaq argument, wasn't it? though Like that guy took an insane amount of punishment.

00:59:14.07
Adz
It was.

00:59:17.70
Adz
Embeds just to soak yet.

00:59:18.10
Russell Gibson
Just. Yeah.

00:59:21.80
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so Sean Alloway, Luca for sure, he's so frustrating to watch, wants to call every play. Yeah, 100%.

00:59:27.39
Adz
Hmm.

00:59:27.95
Russell Gibson
He does, doesn't he if he?

00:59:29.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:29.07
Russell Gibson
If he could get a foul draw on every play, he'd be like, he'd be very happy with that outcome, wouldn't he?

00:59:34.45
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:37.45
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, have we got time for one more quick thing, do you think, Gar?

00:59:37.82
Adz
and bade Yeah, for sure. Um, do we want to finish off with Evan Mobley or is that too big a topic?

00:59:41.18
Russell Gibson
Alright.

00:59:44.92
Adz
You want to do that next week.

00:59:48.48
Russell Gibson
We could probably deep dive into a little bit more on that. This is a fun one.

00:59:52.45
Adz
Okay.

00:59:53.37
Russell Gibson
This is one I put up. This is the John Stockton autograph. Remember the players you idolized as a kid. Now you can earn a piece of their legacy.

00:59:58.44
Adz
Is this the legit, is this the legit post versus the troll post that we talked about last week?

01:00:00.06
Russell Gibson
This is a, this is a legit one. Yeah. I look, I genuinely bought this card because I wanted it not to actually troll people on, on sports cards, nonsense. ah You know, I think it's a I love John Stockton as a kid, I thought he was just a good basketball player. So ah who's your least to collect? Obviously, John Stockton, I've just spoke about that Hakeem, a large one, I've got some really nice um patch autographs of Hakeem, that was a really good one. And probably another one that actually is less so, but definitely on my hit list is Tim Duncan.

01:00:31.86
Russell Gibson
I really want to get some patch autograph stuff with Duncan now that he's starting to come out to more products, but I've been looking at some of the resale on that stuff and and it is really, really high. So I'm kind of hoping that as more products come out, as more Timmy D stuff gets hit, it'll sort of even out a little bit just because, um yeah, I definitely want to get my hands on some Duncan.

01:00:47.22
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:53.02
Russell Gibson
So what about you, mate?

01:00:53.96
Adz
Some Timmy D.

01:00:54.56
Russell Gibson
What have you got on your hit list?

01:00:55.79
Adz
On my hit list, I'm just expanding my my my but Scotty Pippen stuff.

01:01:00.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you love your Scottie Pippen.

01:01:01.81
Adz
love and Loving the Scotty Pippen, got a jersey for Christmas, picked up, um didn't get the Kobe, but that's one of those razz, I got a Pippen in a razz.

01:01:05.66
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:01:11.77
Russell Gibson
Huge shout out to your better half, by the way, too. I think she didn't get enough like recognition for that purchase.

01:01:14.33
Adz
Yeah, I know.

01:01:17.01
Russell Gibson
That was amazing.

01:01:18.86
Adz
Yeah, no, that was um it was a quality pick up.

01:01:19.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:22.20
Adz
And yeah we we I don't mind going for a walk past the NBA store nowadays, realizing how how how attentive um she was to the to what I enjoyed.

01:01:32.25
Russell Gibson
ye ye Yeah.

01:01:33.76
Adz
um So I went on a razz for a Kobe soul of the game the other day, but it was a top three. And and um when two of the three players you're going into a Raz, players you collect, Scotty being the other one, um I think the top three was, Kobe gets the first, second gets to pick between Rodman and Pippin, and third gets whichever card isn't chosen.

01:01:55.31
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:01:57.86
Russell Gibson
Did you win something?

01:01:57.97
Adz
ah I got the Scotty Pippin.

01:02:00.27
Russell Gibson
Oh, nice.

01:02:00.85
Adz
So yeah, yeah, yeah, shout it.

01:02:01.67
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah, cool. So do you know much of the history of that card? Do you want to explain that out to people?

01:02:07.23
Adz
No, no, I'm not a historian.

01:02:08.43
Russell Gibson
Okay.

01:02:09.35
Adz
I remember it was sought after.

01:02:09.68
Russell Gibson
All right. So why don't we, we should do a segment on that too and do like a bit of a, a deep dive into it.

01:02:15.78
Adz
They've made a bit of a resurgence. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:17.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:17.69
Adz
Maybe, maybe.

01:02:18.17
Russell Gibson
Cause that's a fun one to look at. Cause the art in that is really cool.

01:02:22.00
Adz
Yes.

01:02:22.06
Russell Gibson
It's a, it's a fun insert. It's original.

01:02:25.86
Adz
It's very original.

01:02:27.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:28.00
Adz
And, um, it's a hell of a, hell of a set list too.

01:02:31.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:32.44
Adz
Cause we've got some greats. There's a Jordan, there's a Kobe. They're probably the biggest two in that set.

01:02:37.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:37.78
Adz
There's a Shaq. There's a lot. Yeah.

01:02:40.63
Russell Gibson
Any listener contributions to this one? And while we're waiting for those questions, the answers to come back, so early sports cards and beat hasn't played in Denver since 2019. He's a silk. I mean, that's very targeted.

01:02:52.79
Russell Gibson
I'm skipping games, but at the same time, too, I think and be the number of games that he skips. I mean, it could be a coincidence. He doesn't want to play against your kick or it could just be that he's load managing himself, you know, basically forever.

01:03:05.12
Adz
Is it low is is KD a low-key suck?

01:03:09.25
Russell Gibson
I don't think so. I think Katie just gets a lot a lot more crap than what he deserves, to be honest. like

01:03:15.23
Adz
I don't know, he started sucking when he created a bunch of burner accounts and since then he's learned his lesson after a few trips ah around the league.

01:03:22.74
Russell Gibson
It's kind of fun that the fact that he's like an NBA star who has burner accounts to talk to people online though. Like, I think that to me is the more, the funnier storyline there.

01:03:30.94
Adz
He's gone from hero to villain, like crying in his MVP acceptance to being

01:03:32.72
Russell Gibson
But he's like a multi, he's probably got like $500 million dollars in his bank, but then he's sitting on Twitter, like talking to some random troll.

01:03:40.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:41.12
Russell Gibson
Like that's, you know what I mean?

01:03:43.64
Adz
Like yelling at kids on Fortnite.

01:03:45.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. I'm Sean Allaway trying to move those Hakeem patch orders. I'm not trying to move them. I'm trying to collect them, Sean. I'm sorry. Thank you for the offer to try and purchase them, but um I'm definitely not trying to offload.

01:03:59.76
Adz
What about yourself?

01:03:59.90
Russell Gibson
Those Hakeem ones are staying with me.

01:04:03.67
Russell Gibson
um

01:04:03.96
Adz
Do you have any players, um any any play as your things you're looking to add to this shit?

01:04:10.11
Russell Gibson
In terms of my childhood PC, no, I i feel like I touched on those, the Hakeem, the John Stockton, I'm pretty happy with that.

01:04:12.55
Adz
Hmm.

01:04:14.91
Adz
Yep. Yep. Yeah.

01:04:16.95
Russell Gibson
Tim Duncan is definitely my hit list. But I think this year is hopefully going to be in the Koliokic rookie.

01:04:22.96
Adz
yeah

01:04:23.14
Russell Gibson
That's going to be the one I'm hopefully going to add to my collection. That's because I've been saying that for the last six months, I feel like so.

01:04:29.80
Adz
I think I need to double down on my Steph Curry um thoughts.

01:04:32.58
Russell Gibson
actually did I mention this to you I've been putting in comp offers and even above comp offers and they've been knocked back so I think at the moment people are actually holding out to sell much higher which sort of makes me think that he's trending upwards and people still think he's got a lot more legs into it like normally

01:04:36.57
Adz
Bids.

01:04:43.66
Adz
Hmm. Given the going rate is 80% on comps, I would agree.

01:04:54.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, well, I suppose on eBay, you need to make a comp offer because you get to lose 20%, you know, to eBay. So that's that's that sort of 80% offer, isn't it? But um even above comps, and then the offers are still being knocked back, which is kind of a ah good hobby take, really, isn't it, of how popular he is at the moment.

01:05:04.14
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:16.36
Russell Gibson
um Adam, I say we cut this off. I think I've had a really lovely afternoon. Thank you everybody who's been in the chat today, Sean,

01:05:26.00
Russell Gibson
Big Al, Surly Sports Cards, James Gregory.

01:05:30.43
Adz
It's good to see everybody, yeah.

01:05:30.48
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much. We hope that you've had a good afternoon. Anyone else that's currently live with us who hasn't been commenting, thank you so much for tuning in. um Guys, we're really close to that 150, so if you do want to jump onto our YouTube and subscribe to us, we're going to be giving away a box at 150.

01:05:38.37
Adz
and What year box is that, by the way?

01:05:46.02
Russell Gibson
It'll be everybody who subscribed, randomized, top

01:05:51.89
Russell Gibson
I think it's 21, 22 or 22, 23, one of the two.

01:05:55.56
Adz
Okay, nice, nice.

01:05:55.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:57.03
Adz
And yeah, I mean, you don't have to be the only ones,

01:05:58.08
Russell Gibson
But the picture that's online is the actual box is what it is.

01:06:00.25
Adz
Here's the box, yeah.

01:06:00.56
Russell Gibson
Sorry to answer your question. Yeah, that's actually the right box.

01:06:01.99
Adz
Yeah, no, I would be, um yeah, get friends to subscribe, like get somebody in your family to subscribe.

01:06:03.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:06.86
Russell Gibson
that's sort Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:08.09
Adz
Get us over that 150 so you can, so you're all in the draw.

01:06:09.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:12.31
Adz
Why not? But yeah, I mean, this isn't our normal broadcast. I'm as nice to see everybody on a Sunday afternoon for for a quick chat, but normally we're up on around about 8 p.m.

01:06:19.31
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:06:24.01
Adz
Sundays,

01:06:24.77
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:06:25.77
Adz
Eastern Australian time, Australian Eastern Standard Time or Daylight Savings Time, whatever you call it. um Yeah. But looking forward to to seeing you all online and hopefully giving away that box in the next week or so.

01:06:40.48
Russell Gibson
Cheers, guys. Take it easy.

01:06:41.96
Adz
See you next week.

01:06:47.89
Adz
And we're not like