You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 181: Panini Pump And Dump Is Here, LaMelo All Star Snub, Evan Mobley, Jalen Green, Detroit Pistons Basketball
Adam Amy and Russell Gibson have more Hobby and NBA content than we can get through this week.
Lamelo Ball All Star snub.
LaMelo on the rise -
One and One Downtown chat.
- National Treasures International, Impeccable International, Revolution Winter Tins: Hobby Impact.
- Evan Mobley; Eastern Conf: Defensive Player month Mobley comps
- Jalen Green.
- Detroit pistons love
- Mailbag
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Russell Gibson
Yep, 181.
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Adz
oh that's perfect time to talk about the eighty one point game
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's almost fate.
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Adz
how would it
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 181 of the You Can't Comp this NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson. Coming to everyone a little bit early on the live this week, we've we've gone even further forward because it's Australia Day weekend. It's Saturday.
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Russell Gibson
We're reorganizing our social life, aren't we?
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Adz
were testing we're We're testing engagement. See if we can hide from the listeners. Are we? but an I don't know. No, there's a lot going on, and I suppose, with the public holiday this weekend, so we thought we'd get things done nice and quick.
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Adz
There's lots going on in the NBA.
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Russell Gibson
A lot.
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Adz
The All-Star voting's in.
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Russell Gibson
Let's just get straight into it. ad What do you say?
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Adz
Yeah, well, um we can get into it, but there's there's a couple of players that won't be getting into it straight or away. They've been snubbed.
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Adz
that a good is it ah Is that a good way to explain it?
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Russell Gibson
That's a clickbait headline if you've ever heard one.
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Adz
Oh, don't worry. We'll clip that and turn it into a clickbaity reel.
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Russell Gibson
All righty. So what you're specifically referring to is LaMello ball getting 1.9 million votes, but that's from the the fans.
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Adz
It's a lot of votes.
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Russell Gibson
But when it came from the media and also the players, they then decided that Jalen Brunson should be the starter instead of him. So that's what you're specifically referring to, isn't it?
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Adz
Nice of them to override those 1.9 million votes. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. How many votes did Brunson get?
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Russell Gibson
1.2.
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Adz
Hmm. Hmm. Quite a significant number less.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Hmm. Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
So basically, the fans get 50% vote, media get free sorry, the media get 25% and the players get 25%.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Is it the players or the coaches? The players.
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Russell Gibson
It says players, but I thought that the coaches used to but I also heard stories about the head coaches would never have time or come be bothered doing it. So they would just throw the ticket to like the intern or the lowest ranked assistant coach.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So it was never, you know, from the coaches anyway. So I think they were kind of like, this is silly, you know, let's get rid of this.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, so let's just give it to the players who who might have a bit of fun with it.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
Look, I don't mind that the media and the players get a say, but at the same time, we then have to be prepared for that type of scenario where you've got someone who's, you know, leading the pack.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's, pretty fair to say that in terms of the guard voting for the East.
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Adz
Yeah, and there was a lot there.
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Russell Gibson
And even in the West, he would be second in guards.
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Adz
and And this is no shade against Brunson, but surely, like with Kat as as the starting, already starting, shouldn't the players and the and the media be like, hey, let's balance this out and I don't know, throw Kate into the mix.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
If they're going to give their magic million votes that is going to throw it over the line, like make it fair, make it a little bit more fair rather than giving all the love to New York.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think if there was some type of narrative there, it would be, I would have preferred to see two Cavaliers in the starting lineup than two Knicks. And I think for that to happen, in my mind, it's Evan Mobley, but 480,000 votes total, which puts him in sixth place in the front court for the East.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You know, that's never going to happen.
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Adz
and so But I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's really tough to overcome.
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Adz
They just have put a magic two million votes in then, don't they?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
The media, they just swing it their way. i just i'm not I'm not overly impressed by the fact that the players get... Lamello Ball's a legitimate player. He's putting up legitimate numbers.
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Adz
It's not a...
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
People want to see this guy. And then the players in the, and the media have said, no, we don't, we don't agree. It's a bit, it's a bit unfair. Give the people what they want.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think the irony of that is that I would say the reason why the commentators and the plays don't take him serious is that he has too much playground game in his game.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
shooting those one footers, like this, they're so insane, those shots, like everything against, you know, fundamentals and, you know, good basketball mechanics that, you know, you get taught at a very early age, you know, he is just like throwing that into the wind.
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Adz
ah ah I completely agree.
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Russell Gibson
He just doesn't care at all. And then I think also to his team success, I think that is going against him too, but
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You know, I think the irony is that that type of play is perfect for the all-star game. So what I'm hoping for is that he still makes the roster in, you know, some capacity.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then we get to see him for 20 minutes just doing some awesome stuff, you know, throwing alley-oop, setting up people, playing at breakneck pace and, you know, making the game fun.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think that would be cool. I think my personal preference is that Banchero would have been a starter this year because
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, I would have liked it.
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Russell Gibson
I think he has that all-star starter talent, but I think without stating the obvious, he's had a lot of injury problems this year and you know he's played, what, 10 games or something.
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Adz
10 games is something it's not.
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Russell Gibson
So, you know, I don't have a problem that Carlton in towns, you know, squeaked in under that sort of circumstance, but, you know, looking at the other two guys who are kind of like, who else could be in the conversation for starters?
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
It's Jalen Brown.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's the other obvious one.
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Adz
ye
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Russell Gibson
He just doesn't have the popularity there. And, you know, you can equate that to his hobby popularity too, and that he's an awesome player.
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
He's a champion. He plays both sides of the court, but, you know, just media wise, I don't think he's fantastic. And he does.
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Adz
the Well, the image in in Boston as well, you think about that, right? Like, Tatum is number one and Brown's number two.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And I've even gone on the record to say how underrated Jalen Brown is in the hobby and in the media. Like, he's a very good player, but Tatum's the guy.
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Russell Gibson
Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
So and the vote and the votes reflect that. So that that's fine. And you're not going to, you're not going to take Giannis out of the equation. So there's not much wiggle room, I guess.
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Russell Gibson
I think after all that, we actually didn't announce who the starters are. So in the Eastern Conference, it's Giannis, Tatum, Kyle Anthony Towns, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, in the West, Jokic, LeBron, Kevin Durant, SGA, and Steph Curry.
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Russell Gibson
So I think in the aggregate, yeah, look, in the aggregate, I think that's like, that's an awesome Western Conference team.
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Adz
There's no surprises there at all.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think they're going to absolutely thrash the East. You know, it's in my head.
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Adz
Well, no, it's, it's, it's the, they're all going to, who's picking team. There's, there's, it's a tournament where we recap this the other week.
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Russell Gibson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Adz
It's going to be 40. They're picking three teams of eight. And then they're playing against the kids that in the rookie game and they're playing a tournament.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I forgot that. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So it's crazy, isn't it, in the Western Conference, how good they are.
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Adz
The in all star tournament.
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Russell Gibson
So in the West, there's four people just in the West Front Court that got to more than two million votes.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So when be at 2.2 KD at two point, nearly 2.5 LeBron at 2.5 and your kick at 2.9. That's awesome. I actually think that's really cool that your kick got that many votes.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yep. It shows that he's really on the radar.
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Russell Gibson
All right.
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Adz
Like the guy's averaging a triple double. He's on track for his fourth MVP.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
He's a freak of nature. It's great.
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Russell Gibson
What else did you want to talk about this before we move on?
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Adz
Um, do we want to look at Lamello?
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Russell Gibson
I reckon.
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Adz
Let's go onto Lamello, like his actual pricing in the, in the hobby.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
Um, cause I do think, I think the media has subbed this guy and like looking at the trends, he's on the rise.
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Russell Gibson
Let's do that.
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Adz
People want to see this guy and people in the hobby, uh, starting to see that too, by the look of it.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yes, I think hobby wise lamellos are like a bit of a tricky one for me because my gut feeling with this guy was that he was really hyped coming out of that draft class. And, you know, if somebody saved the 2020 draft class, it was lamello ball because there was no one really in that product that people were you know, really going crazy about.
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Russell Gibson
And then for me, it was a bit of a sort of a came out of nowhere, everyone was like chasing this guy and going pretty hard on it. And probably my personality type is well, that scares me away a little bit in terms of that pump and dump that you can sort of get into.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So yeah.
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Adz
So I've got the card letter visuals up at the moment.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, so we're
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Adz
And what I've what i've noticed is there's a pop count of 412 on the silver.
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Russell Gibson
just not insane, is it when we talk about other cards?
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Adz
Correct.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
But that, he he came it was like 2021. Do you know what I mean? When the data starts to come out.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Now, because of that COVID period,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
We're in that everybody losing their mind, but the grading companies were shut. So 400 on the pop count makes sort of makes a bit of sense.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
People had stopped grading because PSA and like BGS and that had stopped accepting submissions.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
The price point though, he started off at six and a half K. Like, yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, i I actually think there'll be data before that. But it just hasn't been collected by card ladder. So you are 100% right in what you're saying. But I wonder if there was a few more points before that.
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Russell Gibson
But that's fine. now Nevertheless, yeah, let's keep going.
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Adz
But you look at 2022, he was trading in and around that two and a half to $3,000 mark, right?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Right.
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Adz
This is over the silver PSA 10.
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Russell Gibson
So the peak was six and a half.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And where where and then 2022 people started, it started to, I suppose, mellow out a little bit. I wanted to use the word mellow. So anyway, ah then we got to 2023 and he...
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Russell Gibson
I like what you did there. It was over my head though, like the movie. Mega Polis. Have you, have you seen that?
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Adz
No.
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Russell Gibson
Oh God.
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Adz
So at the end of 2023, he then, uh, actually Christmas, uh, 2023, December 24th, 20, uh, end of 22. Sorry.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
He entered the 23 year with ah at a thousand dollars.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
So he really cooled, cooled off.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And then he sort of sat at that thousand dollar to 500 and he kept dropping, dropping, dropping, uh, over the last couple of years though. Yeah. He's plateaued down to about the $200 mark, but in the last six months, starting at $300, he's now sitting at 350.
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Russell Gibson
All right, so I'm just going to just jump in real quick. So all time, he's down 94%. So depending on when you bought this guy is how badly you've been burnt and how badly you feel about this card. So I think there's going to be a lot of people out there with hurt feelings. I think we should just, you know, just really quickly touch on that. The second thing is it really does depend on when you jumped into this guy. So, for example, where I'm going with this, if you bought him $200,
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
that could have that could be one of the best purchases that has been made you know in a really long time. So there was you know sales here in the last two years at 275, 265, $300.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Dan, if you're zooming into the last 12 months, this is to me like where it gets a little bit more interesting. So up 8% for the last 12 months, the last six months is up 15%.
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Russell Gibson
the last, well actually interesting, he's down the last three months, minus 6%. So I think maybe we we stay at this the last three months, because actually maybe that's the most relevant graph where he's coming back down again, you know, he's hit his peak and maybe that's where yeah, collectors sort of feel that he's at.
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Adz
A sitting rail, he's sort of balanced, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So currently at 345, look, I think my thing with this guy is that I probably think he's a really good buyer at that sort of high twos to low threes mark and anything above that is more you're sort of treading into you know risky water slash
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Adz
ah Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
uh, pumped up hype sort of thing. But I think he's the type of guy that can spark because he has had those huge prices before. He does have all that, you know, social popularity.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
He's brothers, the famous rapper now, which I think we should probably play that track on this week's radio show actually, man.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
ah ah
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Russell Gibson
So shout out to central coast radio.com for having us on.
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Adz
Nice, I like that, I like that.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Actually, looking into the population of this card, he was graded quite a bit.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um His gem rate is only 12.2%.
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Russell Gibson
It's just insane, isn't it? Like how bad that product was for a couple of years.
00:12:13.51
Adz
That prism run was pretty awful. So maybe there is some value in there.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
That low pop count isn't just from quantity graded, people have had a crack at grading it.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's just a bad print run.
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Adz
It's, cause there's eighteen hundred almost 1,800 nines.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like it's, yeah, it doesn't gem at the 10 very, very easily. So.
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Russell Gibson
So you can pick up a nine for 60 bucks and that actually makes sense, doesn't it? With the pop count.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. So maybe, maybe the, uh, 350 for the PSA tens, not bad value. I do agree with the, the low market team because he plays in Charlotte, right?
00:12:52.76
Adz
And they're, they're pattern for success at the moment. But I think the mellows personality is the break the mold.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
He's got that X factor.
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Russell Gibson
I think that, you know, Lonzo Morning, Larry Johnson team, I don't think Charlotte's a small market per se, like that in my head, like they're not the Spurs or OKC.
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Adz
Indiana.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You know, I think there's enough juice there to squeeze out of that in terms of his market. that That doesn't stress me out at all.
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Adz
Okay. Okay.
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Russell Gibson
So, all right, let's just sort of step back for a second. Right now where he's sitting at, is this a buy hold or a sell for you? Because I think that's the most important part out of all of this.
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Adz
It's definitely a hold. It's not a sell.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, okay.
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Adz
um I don't know, like um and we've spoken about this, it's all personal preference with regards to, for this amount of money, um are there people that you would rather purchase and invest in?
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Adz
cause Because I think Lamello is buyable, and I think he does, he has got a a good ceiling.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's liquid too, right?
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Adz
He's just not my, yeah, he's liquid.
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Russell Gibson
You can flip him when you need to. I think that's, yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, but for me, I'm i'm on the Cade train at the moment, so.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I actually think that's what was going through my head.
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Adz
And that's a similar price point.
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Russell Gibson
It's like, so you can get a Fox for 150 at the moment, you can get a Cade for about the same price.
00:14:10.89
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You know, realistically, you can get a Jalen Brown for cheaper.
00:14:13.65
Adz
Hmm.
00:14:18.74
Adz
Yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
And probably that's where I settle a little bit in terms of, you know, where are we going with this kid? But at the same time, if he is volatile, you know, maybe actually this is one to keep an eye out for, because if it does drop back down to that sort of mid to high twos, actually, that's a very good purchase.
00:14:36.64
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
And, you know, long term, you know, the population is pretty low on this, you know, yes, it will definitely go up. But at the same time, you pointed out the gem rate on these cards, it's it stinks.
00:14:45.79
Adz
I just
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Russell Gibson
So yeah.
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Adz
think, so getting a 10 is actually, yeah, like it might be actually a sneaky good investment.
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Russell Gibson
Um, let's go, let's just do one really quick one and then we'll go to a break.
00:15:01.24
Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So I'm just going to skip down the sheet a little bit.
00:15:05.78
Adz
Yeah, grab grab something a little off there and we'll...
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Russell Gibson
All right. I just want to give a little bit of love to one-on-one. So this year's one-on-one have come out and true that.
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Adz
One and one, not one. Not our our criminal friend one. Well, he's not a friend. On the on the run in Melbourne, one.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Different one. One, O-N-E.
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Russell Gibson
I probably need another coffee before I come on this early in the morning, right?
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Russell Gibson
All right, so there's a lot of cards in this product that is chaseable. And just for the record, I'm a big fan of one-on-one. Downtown's in particular for me, are just you know an important card in the hobby, and that's where you get them out of this product.
00:15:49.39
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So this year, they've in my mind, they've really taken a big risk with the design on these cards. And ah the aesthetics,
00:15:57.19
Adz
The downtowns in particular.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. And also to the, I feel like they've tried to make them a bit more fun and, you know, they're taking a bit more risk with them. So and I love it. I know that there's some people out there that, you know, won't like it. You know, they don't appreciate that all that type of stuff. And I think that's fine. But on the back of those cards, they actually explain to you, you know, the narrative of them and sort of give you like a bit of a rundown. So it's kind of a fun one too, in terms of if you enjoy cards for their story and Maybe you could even call it the art of it.
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Russell Gibson
You know, so for example, let's just look at the Nicole Yochik one.
00:16:35.28
Adz
I've got the yo-kit, yeah.
00:16:35.50
Russell Gibson
It's got the mountains in the background. It's got the, the wild cats there. It's got some guy in a ah mink jacket with, you know, like bling and jewelry on, like it's just kind of weird, but fun.
00:16:47.69
Russell Gibson
There's a gold pan there with some, you know, some gold in it.
00:16:50.79
Adz
Oh, the nuggets, the nuggets.
00:16:51.08
Russell Gibson
The Anthony black one has got, yeah, it's got a dragon there. You know, that's the, the magic sort of touching on that.
00:16:57.63
Adz
Oh yeah, because Disney Castle, Orlando, Florida, yeah.
00:16:57.90
Russell Gibson
The Kevin Durant one has got, Yeah, it's got the Phoenix dragon behind him. But it's just okay, it's probably that one is probably not the most creative, but ah so the Jordan Hawkins one, I think that is a um paying homage to the New Orleans area.
00:17:07.04
Adz
explain Explain Jordan Hawkins to me.
00:17:16.94
Russell Gibson
So you go there and and the um the shrimp there is like
00:17:17.76
Adz
Food.
00:17:22.08
Russell Gibson
It literally is like Forrest Gump, how they have a thousand different types of shrimp you can go there and eat.
00:17:22.49
Adz
Okay.
00:17:26.38
Adz
Okay.
00:17:27.65
Russell Gibson
um That's a ah po' boy, I'm pretty sure that's what that is. And then the dish at the bottom is gumbo.
00:17:30.76
Adz
Mm.
00:17:33.23
Russell Gibson
So our American friends, if I'm getting this wrong, um please correct me, but I'm pretty sure that's what that is. The one underneath the donuts is, um we would call that a scone, but over there, they call that a biscuit.
00:17:45.82
Russell Gibson
And the white stuff on the top, I'm pretty sure is actually, that's like their own gravy.
00:17:45.84
Adz
Yeah.
00:17:50.39
Adz
Okay.
00:17:51.12
Russell Gibson
We have a more traditional sort of like brown gravy, but they have like a sort of a, you can get a white gravy over there.
00:17:55.83
Adz
Like more of a mayo type gravy.
00:17:57.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:57.75
Adz
I don't know, weird.
00:17:58.08
Russell Gibson
Uh, and that's obviously coffee there. And from my perspective, the, the coffee in America is, um, maybe average at best, but so they do like sort of ah a poor or a filtered coffee over there.
00:18:09.09
Russell Gibson
And, um, if you go to a restaurant or cafe, they, they just come around and keep topping you up.
00:18:09.12
Adz
Yeah, most of it is the same, yeah.
00:18:12.99
Russell Gibson
So it's like, it's bottomless coffee over there, you know?
00:18:13.34
Adz
with the filtered coffee rather than actually ground. Yep, yep, yep.
00:18:16.35
Russell Gibson
So look again, you know, that's.
00:18:18.20
Adz
Like having instant coffee everywhere you go. Awesome. Anyway, don't get me started, uncle.
00:18:22.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Oh, it's a bit better than instant, but.
00:18:24.72
Adz
It's Saturday morning. I don't wanna discuss how bad the coffee is in America.
00:18:29.39
Russell Gibson
It's better than instant, but not as good as espresso. It's somewhere in between there, but it's more about the customer service. You know, the customer service in New Orleans is unstoppable.
00:18:35.58
Adz
Fair it's the the experience I think really really well good save there um oh there was a there's a comment on the the yokich one from our our friend Joe Fu so let me get this right there's a lion wearing a fur coat made from its own fur or another lion's fur I'm a little confused by this it
00:18:38.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:41.48
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:18:56.52
Russell Gibson
I mean, art, art can be confusing, you know, I think that's okay.
00:19:00.31
Adz
Interpretive, um my biggest concern with this this run of downtowns is I don't see any towns.
00:19:09.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:10.20
Adz
they've given
00:19:10.39
Russell Gibson
I mean, there's a mountain in the Denver one.
00:19:11.51
Adz
and
00:19:12.91
Russell Gibson
There's the castle in the Orlando one.
00:19:13.98
Adz
There's the castle, maybe there's a town in front of the castle, who knows?
00:19:14.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:17.58
Adz
The food one, well, yeah, anyway.
00:19:20.60
Russell Gibson
yeah So.
00:19:21.10
Adz
Yeah, I feel like they've sort of gone off script with what the the card is. It's like having a kaboom with no sparkle.
00:19:29.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe. I mean, the Kaboom's they've done really well this year.
00:19:31.10
Adz
I don't know.
00:19:33.82
Adz
They've gone back to the, I think they're going back to the the more animated anyway.
00:19:35.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:37.55
Russell Gibson
Al Kain's dropped some napalm on the designs this year. I mean, ah am I shocked that Al has got a negative connotation on this? Like, not really, but we love you, Al.
00:19:45.58
Adz
That's fair.
00:19:47.61
Russell Gibson
Anyway, just a quick one on that. I don't think we need to do too much more of it.
00:19:51.41
Adz
No, that's a fun little one. I think, yeah, those that they're interesting for sure.
00:19:56.95
Russell Gibson
So I've lost.
00:19:58.18
Adz
And Anthony Milne has just popped into the chat and said one on one is the value set for collectors.
00:20:03.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:05.92
Adz
Extra, extra extra value to be found.
00:20:06.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think.
00:20:08.20
Adz
Interesting.
00:20:08.63
Russell Gibson
So there was a sale this week on NCM for someone literally just put up their whole set of downtowns. There was a lot of interest around that. Like people love downtowns. I think they're long term, something you can hold, trade, sell all the rest of it.
00:20:18.18
Adz
Yeah. Yep. For sure.
00:20:23.98
Russell Gibson
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00:20:48.11
Russell Gibson
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00:21:32.02
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back.
00:21:34.47
Adz
We are back.
00:21:35.53
Russell Gibson
How are you?
00:21:36.08
Adz
I'm crying. That was a good start. Very good start to the show.
00:21:40.41
Russell Gibson
We um definitely didn't talk about the weather, which was nice.
00:21:47.21
Adz
The weather is nice or not talking about the weather was nice.
00:21:48.85
Russell Gibson
No, we didn't talk about it. We just got straight into cards.
00:21:50.35
Adz
Okay.
00:21:51.37
Russell Gibson
It's like, it's my own pet peeve about.
00:21:51.50
Adz
That's true. That's true. i did i i I didn't talk about it, but I did talk about Australia Day.
00:21:57.27
Russell Gibson
and That's okay. It's not weather.
00:21:58.70
Adz
That's fair.
00:22:00.64
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so this next one sort of bear with me for a little bit while I lay down the groundwork on this. So I want to talk about Impeccable International, NT International, and then finally Revolution Winter Tins. And the perspective I want to talk about this is the quality of the cards, the the aesthetics of the product, the price point.
00:22:21.65
Russell Gibson
and also why is Panini releasing all of these products. So let's start with Impeccable NT. It's basically about 60% price of the full Impeccable hobby box. And I think Impeccable is a ah really tricky one for me because I think the aesthetics of the cards is really good.
00:22:41.58
Russell Gibson
I think the quality of the cards is actually better made than noir. You can almost argue in some instances, they're just as nice or if not nicer than NT.
00:22:52.72
Russell Gibson
But in terms of collectability, I think sometimes people, despite all of you know the aesthetics, how nice the cards look, people who are a little bit reluctant to put a thousand dollars plus into these cards in the aftermarket.
00:23:05.44
Russell Gibson
So, you know, I think that it's kind of one of those products of like
00:23:06.08
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:11.19
Russell Gibson
Maybe it just comes down to there's only so many products you can pay a you know a really high premium for. And I get that. you know something has to be Someone has to be a winner. Someone has to be a loser. And maybe out of all of the products they've made, you know unfortunately Impeccable is that sort of loser.
00:23:21.08
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:25.27
Russell Gibson
So it's kind of like, well, why do you then need another branding of Impeccable?
00:23:25.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:30.84
Russell Gibson
And I think the very short answer to that is that Panini is losing their license very soon.
00:23:36.03
Adz
Yep.
00:23:36.67
Russell Gibson
they want to do something to basically squeeze as much you know blood out of that stone as they can and so you know this was
00:23:43.37
Adz
They try to get value for their money, right?
00:23:46.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. So maybe this was like the first example of us, you know, really seeing, you know, we've always said that Panini have been making cash grabs over the year, but this is like the, maybe the biggest one, you know, that we've seen out of that as we're getting towards the end.
00:23:47.03
Adz
the
00:23:58.09
Adz
Hmm.
00:23:59.51
Russell Gibson
But actually for me, the irony is I think the price on that product is, is really nice. I think the cards themselves, you know, are actually fantastic.
00:24:10.04
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:10.25
Russell Gibson
They're still on card autographs in the product. Um, and then actually when it breaks down. the pricing on it for breaking. I didn't say that very well, but you know what I'm trying to say on that.
00:24:22.06
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:23.62
Russell Gibson
Actually, it's not a terrible product, you know, to jump into.
00:24:25.43
Adz
Mm.
00:24:27.85
Russell Gibson
And so then we flip over to NT. This is probably the one where I'm probably less complimentary on because it's like, for me, flawless, NT, Prisma, almost like the the sacred grounds of of basketball cards.
00:24:33.89
Adz
Mm.
00:24:42.20
Russell Gibson
So it's like, why do you need to mess with something that actually is really important because You know, we've talked about this before, but the vertical NT RPA numbered to 99 is one of the biggest cards that you can purchase in our hobby, despite the fact that it's numbered to 99.
00:24:54.52
Adz
Correct.
00:24:57.64
Russell Gibson
People, you know, really pay overs on these. So, yeah, so why do you need to, you know, do it again, you know, and come back?
00:25:00.53
Adz
This doesn't look like national treasures. is It doesn't...
00:25:06.41
Russell Gibson
You know, last week we spoke about, and I was defending it and actually saying, well, traditionally, Actually, there's been sticker autos in NT for you know for the longest time, but it's sort of something that you know people are critical of in the last couple of years, but actually, that's not the case.
00:25:21.50
Russell Gibson
you know They've always been there, so let's sort of move past that for a second.
00:25:23.88
Adz
ah Yeah.
00:25:24.66
Russell Gibson
but you know Look, I think the pricing on NT International has been really competitive, so it hasn't blown out in any proportion. I think actually it's been relatively well received from people because I think traditionally NT going into breaks and and buying single boxes of it, like it is a huge chunk of change.
00:25:45.35
Russell Gibson
Like sometimes the prices have been up to even 8,000, 10,000 AUD. So to get something in that much, much, much lower price point, but still it feels like a you know ah higher end box.
00:25:51.65
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:57.76
Russell Gibson
you know I think from that perspective, it's been you know relatively well received.
00:25:58.23
Adz
Yep. Yeah. yeah
00:26:04.52
Russell Gibson
But I just think for me, it's really tricky because I wish they almost hadn't done this product in particular.
00:26:11.75
Adz
Agreed.
00:26:12.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:14.80
Adz
I don't know. It's sort of, yeah, turning something sacred into into sort of something that it's that's definitely not, I guess.
00:26:23.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:23.84
Adz
Yep.
00:26:24.72
Russell Gibson
Now, I think the last one is the the Revolution Wintertin. So the narrative I want to paint about this is that
00:26:27.98
Adz
Yeah, let's let.
00:26:31.55
Russell Gibson
So there was some thought that fanatics were going to make cards on demand. So when you place an order, you know, they don't have all these cards sitting around.
00:26:40.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:42.08
Russell Gibson
you could purchase as much as you want. And the benefit of that is that it would keep the price flat and you wouldn't have the the incidence of people stocking up on cards, running down to Walmart, fighting with people.
00:26:53.81
Russell Gibson
So, for example, we probably actually this is a fun little segue. So have you seen the videos in the last couple of weeks of people punching on with each other, trying to get the new
00:27:01.75
Adz
The Pokemon.
00:27:02.77
Russell Gibson
Pokemon stock.
00:27:03.20
Adz
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:27:03.33
Russell Gibson
you know So the benefit of having stock on demand is that you never have that incident. So if anyone wants to go online, you go online, you purchase the box that you want at that low retail price and it gets shipped out to you.
00:27:08.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:15.13
Russell Gibson
know So my problem with that is that then how do you put into the the case here hits?
00:27:15.58
Adz
yeah
00:27:20.56
Russell Gibson
How do you put into it the autographs and the numbered cards? And probably the answer is realistically is that, well, there's no numbered cards in this stuff.
00:27:29.88
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:30.22
Russell Gibson
There's no case hits. There's none of that sort of ultra short print. And so in my mind,
00:27:34.38
Adz
is this um Is this what they did with, and not even, but they don't even have a different parallel in here. Cause the the um Chinese new year release of revolution where they didn't have any autos.
00:27:45.52
Russell Gibson
Well, that's different again, because you do so you still get the short prints in that and you can get autos in it, but you don't get autos in every box.
00:27:46.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:52.40
Russell Gibson
So that's that's somewhere in between.
00:27:53.17
Adz
Okay. So it's a reduced rate. Yeah.
00:27:55.44
Russell Gibson
It's like in between hobby and you know what we're about to talk about.
00:27:55.57
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:58.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:59.25
Russell Gibson
And so but in my mind, I almost feel like this is what Pinini have done and. Look, you can make the argument this is overdue or you can make the argument this is just an absolute cash grab.
00:28:09.69
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm probably somewhere in between on this. So they've just basically made this product that has no numbered cards, it has no autographs in it. So in my head, I'm kind of like, what's the difference between this and Pokemon?
00:28:20.14
Russell Gibson
But, you know, Pokemon does have the short printed cards and all the cards you chase. So then you can't even make that comparison.
00:28:24.75
Adz
Mmm.
00:28:26.49
Russell Gibson
You know, it genuinely is just just printed cardboard with, you know, pictures of NBA players on it.
00:28:31.85
Adz
It's base cards.
00:28:32.61
Russell Gibson
So
00:28:33.18
Adz
buts It's base cards.
00:28:34.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but every, sorry, they've made it that every card is a parallel, but at the same time, once you make every card a parallel, the parallel becomes, yeah, becomes a base card.
00:28:41.41
Adz
No cards are in parallel.
00:28:44.13
Russell Gibson
So look, I'm really taught on this product because there's an avalanche and there's a blizzard card.
00:28:48.07
Adz
Winter 10 exclusive, base winter, base avalanche, base blizzard, rookie winter.
00:28:52.69
Russell Gibson
And look, actually the avalanche and the blizzard looks really nice.
00:28:53.26
Adz
ah
00:28:57.42
Adz
Sure.
00:28:58.21
Russell Gibson
But I think the aesthetics of the cards also got quite ah reduced after the cards were damaged in transit because of the way they packed them into the tins.
00:29:06.05
Adz
That's, that's probably the talking point on this, right?
00:29:08.17
Russell Gibson
So that's something else to talk about too, you know, I think. You know, look, I actually think we're going to see this again in the hobby because fanatics have already raised this topic of doing it, you know, essentially making a product that's going to be, you know, on demand or another way of saying on demand is just infinitely printed.
00:29:20.13
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:28.13
Russell Gibson
And so I suppose it's like, you know, how do you feel about this?
00:29:29.50
Adz
they Well, if they can if if they've got the if they've got the capacity to print it until they lose the license, then good luck to them. like and just makes For collectors, it makes the set less chaseable.
00:29:36.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:41.19
Adz
Sorry, less desirable. It's very chaseable because you can just keep buying it until you get the whole set.
00:29:43.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:48.61
Adz
But there's no value there because the supply is over overdone. In fact, there's no limit to the supply, which makes it even worse.
00:29:52.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think this
00:29:56.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think the collectability on this stuff is going to be incredibly low. And in terms of the resale on it, you know, I would guess that these are going to be five or ten dollar cards probably at the max for like a Luca for a Steph.
00:30:09.69
Adz
worthless, yep.
00:30:12.54
Russell Gibson
Look, I think that the Wembley's will do really well.
00:30:15.73
Adz
Oh yeah, cause there are, are they, Wembley's the, no, but there, Wembley's the second year, are there?
00:30:15.83
Russell Gibson
And this is
00:30:19.13
Adz
Oh no, are they RC?
00:30:20.28
Russell Gibson
It's rookie. Yeah.
00:30:21.03
Adz
It is rookie, okay, so it's rookie Wembley.
00:30:21.08
Russell Gibson
So it's rookie Wembley's, but, you know, and this is like a really sort of sick, like almost like morbid thing to say, but because they are coming out of the tins damaged, the number of PSA tens on the blizzard and the avalanche, I think actually would be pretty small.
00:30:34.17
Russell Gibson
You know, it's the same thing.
00:30:34.29
Adz
So you've got this tiny room for getting a bit of value.
00:30:37.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Same thing as like lamello, you know, PSA tens on his silvers, right? It's the same thing. Like it was a terrible, you know, print year. Okay.
00:30:44.61
Adz
Yeah, the print run, yeah.
00:30:45.45
Russell Gibson
These were printed well, but they'll package horribly, you know, so.
00:30:49.28
Adz
ready Ready for my conspiracy theory, given the unlimited supply and the losing of the license.
00:30:51.13
Russell Gibson
Hit me. yeah Yeah.
00:30:55.13
Adz
You know, you're talking about cash grabs.
00:30:57.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:57.50
Adz
With three months before they aren't allowed to print anymore, they'll release the the full set as a box set.
00:31:05.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they do that already.
00:31:06.41
Adz
because they could print the full set. So you you could buy all the tinge you want, and then all of a sudden they go, oh, but if you want all the blizzards, here's a box, a $1,000 box, buy it, it's got all of it, a whole set.
00:31:17.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so those products are available already. They did that for Flux last year. They've done it for Donruss Optic for a very long time.
00:31:23.89
Adz
Will they do this for this Revo set, do you reckon?
00:31:26.73
Russell Gibson
Probably not Revo. I think they've, I don't think there's a massive demand for Revo. So that's actually my sort of like, my talking point on this is like, why didn't they do it with Prism?
00:31:38.73
Russell Gibson
Because for me, the one that actually I think would sell
00:31:41.96
Adz
Would you flood the market with Prism? and that would But that would hurt so much, like supply demand was.
00:31:46.07
Russell Gibson
I mean, it's already been flooded, but at at least it's the one that people like.
00:31:50.12
Adz
But if you if you say there's no limit to the reprint on Prism, that would that I think that would have a very adverse effect globally.
00:31:53.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So if fanatics do this and, you know, maybe I need to refresh my manifesto reading, but.
00:32:05.52
Russell Gibson
I reckon they'll do it with top's chrome because that's the most logical one in that they would actually be, despite the fact that it's being printed to the end of the earth, I still think there'll be actually demand for that.
00:32:08.80
Adz
Hmm.
00:32:16.48
Russell Gibson
I think actually if Panini made a mistake in all of this, obviously the packaging needed to be done better.
00:32:16.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:21.71
Russell Gibson
Like that's, I don't even need to say that, but I actually think it's the product that they chose.
00:32:26.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:26.10
Russell Gibson
Like why Revo? Why not Prism? Why not Optic? You know, I i think that would be,
00:32:31.25
Adz
Maybe it's a test? but I don't know what they're testing though.
00:32:33.90
Russell Gibson
I mean, testing at the end, but yeah, look, I think this was a product designed for kids.
00:32:35.85
Adz
Yeah. Do you know, like it it makes no sense. Probably.
00:32:39.65
Russell Gibson
um Yeah, that's right.
00:32:39.77
Adz
I mean, let um I think the the tins is a great idea, but you've got to have packaging inside to protect the packs.
00:32:46.14
Russell Gibson
They muck that up. Definitely.
00:32:47.77
Adz
Yeah, like fuck like I know different collector tins in the gaming world have foam inserts or or plastic inserts that that hold the packs in place.
00:32:56.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It sort of sits in a cradle. Yeah.
00:33:00.15
Adz
Yeah, so they're they're actually protected and don't get damaged in transit.
00:33:00.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:03.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:04.39
Adz
Yeah, I don't know. the The name Avalanche is pretty funny given that they're just dumping all their stock before the end.
00:33:12.59
Russell Gibson
And avalanche of products.
00:33:13.92
Adz
Literally, it's an Avalanche of product before the end and they lose their license.
00:33:18.16
Russell Gibson
So, you know, what else are we going to see before they tap out?
00:33:23.53
Russell Gibson
I think there's going to be more of this stuff. I actually don't think that this is the this is the end of it.
00:33:26.85
Adz
All right, so I'm not even gonna put the conspiracy hat on for it, but it's, it's
00:33:32.03
Russell Gibson
Now, put your tinfoil hat on. You know, I love a good conspiracy.
00:33:35.78
Adz
but it's the they they're going to release these unique products before they lose the license. Can you imagine how fondly new people to the hobby will be for Panini?
00:33:42.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:47.84
Adz
So when they want the license back, everyone's gonna go, bring back Panini, remember when they did this, this, this,
00:33:55.09
Russell Gibson
Look, so Top's cosmic is out. I don't know if you're trying to like trigger me on purpose, but it doesn't look good. I actually, and this is my whole thing and i'm so I'm going to die on this mountain most likely.
00:34:10.92
Russell Gibson
I actually think when Panini is gone, people are going to be like, we want Panini back. I am a hundred percent in that camp.
00:34:16.94
Adz
There will always be people, like it's, but it's, do you know what I mean? Like I, i we grew up with tops, like tops, upper deck, like there was hoops, there were there were different, there was competition.
00:34:27.40
Russell Gibson
Upper deck and hoops was like the big one for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:32.64
Adz
Do you know what I mean?
00:34:33.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:34:34.81
Adz
And I, look, going full circle, even back to last week's chat about regulation, the fact that if they're gonna reprint products, that goes to the lack of transparency, right? You don't know what the print the print runs of these things are. And if now they're going, oh, they might be infinite.
00:34:51.88
Russell Gibson
I mean, for this winter tint, you don't need to know.
00:34:52.07
Adz
you
00:34:54.50
Russell Gibson
There's nothing in it that's chaseable.
00:34:56.44
Adz
There's nothing in it to chase yet.
00:34:57.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:58.04
Adz
There's no limit. There's no numbered cards. So it doesn't matter. They can print as much as they want.
00:35:01.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah, literally.
00:35:03.73
Adz
It's terrifying.
00:35:04.72
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go to our next.
00:35:05.59
Adz
What if it's not popular? Does they under print it and then it becomes valuable?
00:35:11.40
Russell Gibson
Look, I actually think some of this stuff, people are going to hold on to and probably do quite well out of it. You know, despite all of this, you know, the stuff that
00:35:17.92
Adz
one wimpy blizzard just psa 10 it'll be a gem rate of like course
00:35:20.32
Russell Gibson
There's going to be some, yeah, so I think, okay, with that stating the obvious, prism hobby, prism choice, all that prism stuff. I think people are going to be putting that away and they're going to do really well out of it. Like, you know, when be rookies, like no question about it, you know, I think the question is kind of like after that, you know, what else is going to be, you know, worth holding? Is it going to be court Kings for the case hits out of that? Is it going to be?
00:35:48.26
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:49.81
Russell Gibson
I mean the slammy case hit, the comps on that are absolutely insane.
00:35:54.96
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:55.06
Russell Gibson
Like I was looking at one the other day, it was 350 for a raw Keontae George. So what's a Wembley slammy case hit selling for? What? 2K?
00:36:05.74
Adz
At least. Yeah.
00:36:08.46
Russell Gibson
I mean, it's a it's a lot to hold on to a product just for potential on a wimpy case hit.
00:36:09.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:13.47
Russell Gibson
But you know what I'm trying to say, like, I think people are going to be still stashing this away as much as they're like slamming panini of how bad it is.
00:36:15.05
Adz
yeah
00:36:20.44
Russell Gibson
It's like, yeah.
00:36:21.99
Adz
There's some good there.
00:36:24.44
Russell Gibson
Anyway, all right, let's go to a break before we we delve too deeply into something that we can't circle back from.
00:36:28.22
Adz
Too deep.
00:36:32.27
Russell Gibson
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00:36:57.35
Russell Gibson
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Adz
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Russell Gibson
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Adz
Yeah.
00:37:35.69
Russell Gibson
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00:37:44.77
Adz
The Australian Open's about to wrap up. Let's look at some tennis cards.
00:37:46.91
Russell Gibson
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00:38:10.18
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, and we're back. This is part three. I'm actually really enjoying today's show. I actually just felt like a casual sort of basketball cards conversation.
00:38:15.60
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:19.15
Russell Gibson
And I feel like we've um we've done that so far today. It's been pretty chilled.
00:38:23.60
Adz
mean Yeah, yeah, that's good.
00:38:24.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:25.87
Adz
That's good.
00:38:27.08
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, now last week we did some listener interaction and we spoke about Evan Mobley very briefly.
00:38:33.75
Adz
We did.
00:38:34.60
Russell Gibson
um My feeling was that we should talk about this young man on a deeper level because he's probably not getting enough hobby love. So let's, let's do it.
00:38:45.06
Adz
Probably probably not yeah, you're right I had a lower ceiling on him and well, I had a lower ceiling on Cleveland overall.
00:38:48.45
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:38:51.12
Russell Gibson
In one sentence, how would you summarize Evan Mobley?
00:39:03.44
Russell Gibson
Okay. in In what way? Talk to me.
00:39:18.44
Adz
So um yeah, not to throw a shade.
00:39:18.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:22.63
Adz
I just didn't, I didn't see this being what Cleveland was going to bring this year. And and it's got a lot to do with Mitchell and Mobley.
00:39:31.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:33.13
Adz
And it is, it's finding that Mobley, I think my question was, I thought they were going to have to pick between him and Allen.
00:39:40.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:40.40
Adz
I didn't think they could play together.
00:39:40.95
Russell Gibson
So you didn't, you didn't think they could play together. Yeah, sure.
00:39:43.45
Adz
Yeah, and and and there's a level of maturity there, I think, that I didn't expect.
00:39:43.60
Russell Gibson
and And that's a reasonable thing, by the way. Yeah.
00:39:50.24
Adz
And they've found a way.
00:39:54.03
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, is he's very difficult. Because i I think it's one of those players where his pricing is a lot less than what his talent is.
00:40:04.14
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:04.85
Russell Gibson
But I think the the realistic, you know, the end of the day, you know, the conclusion of this conversation is that it's really difficult to to buy into big guys and and do really well out of it. And I think the other part of this for me too is that I think this is a really good conversation to actually zoom out because I think sometimes where we speak about the ultra-modern all the time but so now you go okay where does he compare to the all-timers to the top 50 or the top 100 players of all time you know can you actually be finding the same value or the same amount of money you'd be spending out for an Evan Mobley and putting that into like a Charles Barkley to a Karl Malone
00:40:24.83
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:46.92
Russell Gibson
to a career, but actually, you know, for the one for me, it's for the Tim Duncan.
00:40:48.23
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:52.88
Russell Gibson
I think that to me is like the the perfect comparison because I think I actually have. So I'm sitting here like trying to think of what does Evan Mobley's voice sound like? And I've definitely heard him speak, but You know, there's no real like sound bite that I remember him from or some interview that's, you know, that memorable, something like this, you know, he's not front and center at the, the post-game press conferences.
00:41:10.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:15.30
Russell Gibson
So I think there's that part of it.
00:41:17.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:18.44
Russell Gibson
And I think where his game lies and I think where his brilliance is on the court is just, he's so nuanced at basketball and he's just such a good team player. I think he's the type of guy that he might not actually put up the numbers you know, statistics, but if you looked at his on off numbers, like the plus minus when he's on the court versus off, I reckon he would be like in the top of the league.
00:41:40.59
Adz
Yeah, he's overall plus minus.
00:41:41.77
Russell Gibson
Because he's just really good defensively.
00:41:44.54
Adz
the and And it's the defensive impact, I think.
00:41:44.75
Russell Gibson
He's a great team player offensively.
00:41:46.94
Adz
I think it's a defensive impact.
00:41:47.58
Russell Gibson
What's that?
00:41:48.38
Adz
I think it's his defensive side, but that's what makes him such a well-rounded player.
00:41:50.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.
00:41:55.67
Adz
It's amazing how the defensive prowess is what sort of drives the offensive.
00:41:55.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:01.97
Russell Gibson
yeah I just think it's really, look, you know how much I love D, but I just think also too, it's how much do other people in the hobby value a good defensive player and that then becomes collectible.
00:42:16.40
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's also really part of this conversation too.
00:42:17.30
Adz
Mmm.
00:42:19.18
Russell Gibson
so I would say, look, this probably says a lot about his collectability. He's not on CardLadder. He's not in the CardLadder profile. I actually think he deserves to be there.
00:42:29.23
Russell Gibson
So CardLadder, please fix that. Uh, if you go to 130 point, there's heaps of sales for him recently. And there's look, there's a few to talk about. 2122, Panini Flawless, patch autograph number to 25.
00:42:42.98
Russell Gibson
It's a lovely three colored patch there. It's sold for 1,280.
00:42:47.84
Adz
Yep. Yeah.
00:42:48.20
Russell Gibson
Look. I think that's a PC purchase and I think that's fine, but I also say too, that's not a home run for it to hold value for the next 20 years. um Evan Mobley, Donrass Optic, Fastbreak, Red, number 285, that sold for 51.
00:42:58.98
Adz
yeah
00:43:05.45
Russell Gibson
So probably where I'm going here is I think a lot of this stuff is maybe going a little bit over as to what I was expecting. 2021 Recon Evan Mobley rookie signature numbered to 35 PSA 10 that sold for $199.
00:43:18.33
Russell Gibson
Look I don't mind that just for the fact that I think Recon is a pretty tough grade so to get PSA 10 plus the load numbering on that that's actually not a bad purchase which is ironic considering I was just like throwing shade at the flawless.
00:43:19.02
Adz
Okay. Yep.
00:43:26.81
Adz
Hmm.
00:43:33.42
Russell Gibson
Here we go this is what I want to talk about Evan Mobley blue ice prisms numbered to 125, PSA 10, that's sold for 227. So that's cheaper than a lamellobol silver, despite it being PSA 10 and it's numbered to 125.
00:43:49.18
Adz
And it's numbered to what?
00:43:54.07
Russell Gibson
And that's probably the perfect you know way to sum this up. You can get numbered cards cheaper than you can get a card that's printed in the thousands of lamellobol.
00:44:02.85
Adz
Hmm. Well, it's interesting with the, um, cause I was, I was just showing on the screen the defensive player of the year, uh, the month, sorry, defensive play, cause defensive player of the year for the next decade is Wembley.
00:44:13.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:15.44
Adz
So, but.
00:44:16.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:17.83
Adz
Defensive Player of the Month was Mobley and Triple J.
00:44:22.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:23.77
Adz
Now, I'm not gonna use it as a parallel, but look at how collectible someone, and I i think um Triple J is a is ah an amazing player, but I just don't think the hobby love's ever gonna be there for someone like that.
00:44:38.70
Russell Gibson
yeah I mean, I think triple J and Mobley, there's actually, that's really fun. Cause they're a lot the same.
00:44:45.22
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:46.69
Russell Gibson
I think triple J has probably got a better three point shot, which is important in today's game.
00:44:53.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, like and he's offensively improved a lot for the Grizzlies. He had to, especially with Jar out and things like that. But but yeah, like I just see that he doesn't get that hobby love.
00:44:59.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:04.52
Adz
And there's only so much love to go around in in with regards to how players are valued.
00:45:08.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Definitely. It's like the impeccable argument isn't, you know, someone's got to be the loser, right?
00:45:12.53
Adz
and Well, I didn't want to buy a lamello because i've been I would rather get a Kade.
00:45:14.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:18.73
Adz
That was literally what i I'm like, ah I would buy him, but I'd rather buy a Cade Cunningham.
00:45:23.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:24.28
Adz
And they're it like at the same price. But you you sort of look at Mobley and you're like, where does he rank in that? The hierarchy in the Cavs. So if I'm an avid Cavs supporter, who am I investing in?
00:45:32.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:37.17
Adz
Am I getting like, who's my number one guy? And I don't think he's going to be the number one for any collectors.
00:45:40.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:44.90
Adz
Like if they're fans of the team.
00:45:44.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and that's it. I think it's a PC only thing. It's, if you really love the guy, you know, you buy his cards and you keep them for yourself.
00:45:47.64
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:51.46
Russell Gibson
I don't think it's, yeah.
00:45:51.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:53.11
Russell Gibson
And there's nothing wrong with that, by the way. You know, that's totally fine.
00:45:55.08
Adz
Yeah. I think me i think Cleveland is, it the Donovan Mitchell's the one that might be the spike guy, but we can talk about that another, yeah.
00:45:56.14
Russell Gibson
So, Jaren Jackson,
00:46:01.09
Russell Gibson
the spark. Yeah. We've got that in the list to talk about. I think the way, the speed we've been talking about today, and I don't think we're going to get to it, which is fine by the way.
00:46:08.51
Adz
No, no, I think he's ah definitely a discussion for for maybe next week.
00:46:09.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:13.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Uh, triple J's PSA 10 silver is currently trading at $65. Look, if Mobley trades at that same price point, maybe a little bit higher just because of the current success that the calves are having.
00:46:25.18
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's totally fine. So let's just say a Mobley is trading at 75 or maybe even $80.
00:46:27.66
Adz
I think it's a really good. Yep.
00:46:30.98
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's actually a very reasonable comp there. So that's kind of fun. Look, I think we should keep talking about this particular draft class because actually this is something I'm interested to talk about.
00:46:41.10
Russell Gibson
So the 2122 draft class.
00:46:42.60
Adz
Mm hmm.
00:46:44.65
Russell Gibson
You can buy products very, very cheap. It has Kate Cunningham. It has Jalen Green, who's on the rise. Evan Mobley, we just spoke about Scotty Barnes, who I can definitely get a bit of a chubby for.
00:46:51.29
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:55.50
Russell Gibson
Jalen Suggs, who's playing a lot better. Josh Giddy is on a career resurgence slash what's the word there when you rescue yourself. Kominga, who's definitely going on the upwards.
00:47:07.23
Russell Gibson
Franz Wagner, who's awesome.
00:47:09.10
Adz
I actually think there's a lot of value in that draft class.
00:47:09.43
Russell Gibson
um
00:47:10.90
Adz
Yeah, you're right.
00:47:11.55
Russell Gibson
It's insane, but no one cares about collecting that particular product. You can pick it up. Uber cheat.
00:47:16.80
Adz
Find it on fire sale and and get yourself some value.
00:47:16.97
Russell Gibson
You got Shen goon.
00:47:20.73
Russell Gibson
Trey Murphy, Jalen Johnson. There's one more. Oh, there's two more here. Cam Thomas. um The other one I'm trying to think of is is her here we go. Herb Jones. He was in the second round.
00:47:31.20
Adz
Yeah.
00:47:31.30
Russell Gibson
So yeah.
00:47:33.10
Adz
There's a lot of value in that set in that set for sure.
00:47:33.70
Russell Gibson
Anyway. Yeah, so let's really quickly touch on Jalen Green. I think this is someone that we should be talking about. The Houston Rockets are absolutely killing it, doing way better than we would ever have expected.
00:47:46.11
Adz
I, yeah, it's an eat my hat scenario there. I thought Houston would be at the opposite end of the Western Conference this year.
00:47:53.70
Russell Gibson
No, I don't think you need to say eat your hat. I think this is the case of like, this is a genuinely good news story. it's They've way exceeded all expectations.
00:48:00.35
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:03.27
Russell Gibson
I don't think that's like, yeah.
00:48:04.76
Adz
Oh, I definitely, I didn't have them in in the, in the playoff picture at all.
00:48:08.60
Russell Gibson
No, definitely not. Absolutely not. Yeah.
00:48:11.82
Adz
And now they're looking at a home court, a home court at the moment, halfway through the season.
00:48:12.25
Russell Gibson
So this is from
00:48:15.70
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.
00:48:16.38
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:16.78
Russell Gibson
This is from our friends at CardLadder. This is the 2021 Prism Rookie White Sparkle PSA 9. This sold for 1,575.
00:48:24.46
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:26.88
Russell Gibson
Population on this is Uber Low. It is 13. So, you know, look, do I think that's a good purchase? I think that's still very high risk, but I think what we're starting to see now is, you know, the upside of this guy coming out to shine.
00:48:43.75
Russell Gibson
and You know, he is a go-to scorer on one of the better teams in the Western Conference. He's also in control. If you could say that, that's probably going a little bit too far. He's a main contributor to one of the best teams in the league who's also in one of the youngest teams in the league.
00:48:55.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:59.01
Russell Gibson
So, you know, I think there's a lot to like in that space.
00:49:02.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:49:02.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:06.54
Adz
Yeah, I don't know. I've, I've seen, I've talked about this before the the year's rookie year. You see a little bit of a player second and and third year is sort of that, that they grow, they find their place in the league.
00:49:20.24
Adz
And then years three, three, four is that's your opportunity to.
00:49:20.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:25.88
Adz
explode. That's your that's the time to take that step.
00:49:27.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:30.22
Adz
And and I feel like that particular draft class that we're talking about, we've got Mobley, we've got Cade, we've got like, yeah, Jalen Green, all of these players this year is taking that step.
00:49:42.64
Russell Gibson
Huge steps.
00:49:42.78
Adz
You know what I mean? Like, it's it's
00:49:43.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, except Scotty Barnes. Scotty Barnes, you've let me down.
00:49:47.16
Adz
Scottie Barnes, well, I feel like Scottie took half a step previously and then, yeah, it hasn't done a lot since. Maybe it's the situation he's in, but it's that it's that breakout year.
00:49:55.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:58.85
Adz
And maybe there is value to find hobby wise in picking the players that that are a bit slow to bloom and breakout.
00:50:07.26
Russell Gibson
Oh, yeah, definitely. And that is that's absolutely a ah strategy on prospecting, isn't it? But I think the really interesting thing for me is just the price point of that product from that year.
00:50:17.66
Adz
Mm.
00:50:18.36
Russell Gibson
It's just so much cheaper than everything else that's out there.
00:50:19.52
Adz
Yep.
00:50:20.64
Russell Gibson
So it's a really interesting sort of paradigm for me. I think it's ah a small hole in the hobby at the moment. So on the On the PSA 10 of the white sparkle, the population of that is just seven. There's no sales data on this in the last three months, but the last sale was 3,500.
00:50:36.19
Russell Gibson
I think that's an interesting little one.
00:50:37.78
Adz
yeah.
00:50:37.84
Russell Gibson
ah The silver PSA 10, the population of that is 670. So that's 50% more than the lamello ball that we're talking about.
00:50:42.98
Adz
Yep.
00:50:44.64
Russell Gibson
So actually that's for me is a little bit, that's a surprise. ah That last traded at 190. So for me, that's in that price point of
00:50:50.51
Adz
Wow.
00:50:54.54
Russell Gibson
That's still in a pretty reasonable price point. The population on it isn't too high. Do I think that this could spike and double up to 400, 500, 600? I absolutely do.
00:51:05.74
Russell Gibson
So if you feel like you want to take a bit of a risk on something and I'm going to say the word gamble, you know, I think that's actually a fun little gamble there because we're really seeing um a lot of upside out of this Houston Rockets team.
00:51:06.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:51:19.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's ah yeah.
00:51:21.53
Russell Gibson
Let's go to a break and feel like our times today are just all over the place. But when we come back, I still want to keep talking about this draft class. Let's do some Detroit Pistons love. I think we should do some Kade and then actually let's go through the Pistons roster a little bit and just talk some Pistons. So.
00:51:36.29
Adz
Yeah, but they've done well this year and I actually think that yeah, playing gonna play playoffs. So yeah, for sure.
00:51:40.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:51:40.45
Adz
Let's do that.
00:51:41.80
Russell Gibson
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00:52:36.89
Russell Gibson
Adam, are you ready for our final run?
00:52:40.09
Adz
i am I am ready, very ready.
00:52:43.58
Russell Gibson
All right, I might let you lead this one off. I feel like your love and um praise for Cade might be higher than mine, so I'll let you lead this one.
00:52:55.23
Adz
Which is interesting, because you you you were a little Kate obsessed about a year ago, and I think it rubbed off on me.
00:53:01.71
Russell Gibson
Oh, okay. So I'm literally just like, inception planted the seed into your head.
00:53:04.14
Adz
So i yeah, you've influenced my, yeah. And then you went cold on Cade and I'm like, no, no, no, this is the year.
00:53:09.17
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:53:13.49
Adz
um I would...
00:53:14.16
Russell Gibson
I think for a period of time, I was like, look, this is going to be like a 12 to 24 month, you know, prospecting thing. You know, what I was wrong about was how quickly the timeline came forward.
00:53:23.65
Adz
i I, in hindsight, and I did, ah I thought the right time to buy Cade was when everyone went cold on him about a year ago.
00:53:24.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:30.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:31.07
Adz
And it was like, he was injured, there were question marks. I'm like, but this guy's ceiling seems higher from what we'd seen.
00:53:37.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:38.20
Adz
So i I tried to pick up a couple of caves. I got a red, white, and blue, which I was happy to get, because I thought it was a nice little color match.
00:53:40.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool.
00:53:43.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:45.29
Adz
um But everyone had gone off on it, and I'm like, well, he hasn't had his breakout year yet.
00:53:50.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:52.29
Adz
And then, i I took it a step further.
00:53:53.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:54.97
Adz
I've been analyzing teams that have sort of risen over the last few years with regards to the the blueprint that the Thunder have sort of got, the way that teams like that have stuck with it, Young, who've got Orlando following in their footsteps, and now Houston sort of their young ones coming in sort of rising and you go, okay, maybe there are some teams here that are sticking with it.
00:54:04.48
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:54:10.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:20.08
Adz
and building a core. And I'm like, Detroit have been picking and choosing a lot. Like they've been, they couldn't settle on ah and a guard, but then they finally got Cayden.
00:54:25.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:29.87
Adz
They look like they've stuck with him.
00:54:31.52
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:54:32.16
Adz
And I and i saw the emergence of a few signs from Jalen Duren. And I'm like, okay, off season Tobias Harris comes across. I'm like, you know what?
00:54:43.93
Adz
Detroit are actually building that same let's stick with it philosophy.
00:54:48.03
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:54:48.50
Adz
um So they've got Ivy, they've got Cunningham, and they've got Duren, and that's actually not a bad little core to start growing with. Someone like Tobias Harris is a really good teammate.
00:54:56.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:01.53
Adz
He's just that, he not doesn't want the spotlight, he's not the superstar, but he's a good piece. And I think Detroit are now at a point where they're starting to put some consistency together.
00:55:11.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?
00:55:12.20
Adz
and
00:55:12.86
Russell Gibson
Because if you hit on draft picks, It just makes it easier for the team to have success, but at the same time, you don't know whether you've hit or missed on a draft pick sometimes for two or three years.
00:55:18.87
Adz
Yep.
00:55:23.64
Russell Gibson
So it's, yeah, it's a funny one, isn't it?
00:55:24.01
Adz
Correct.
00:55:26.09
Russell Gibson
It's like, if you stick with it for too long, you just sort of beating a dead horse, but yeah.
00:55:30.64
Adz
There's no, but there's no magic formula to it, right? So Kate Cunningham could have come back from injury and not been functional at all. Do you know what I mean? Like he could have come back.
00:55:41.39
Adz
Um, half the player he was not able to run injuries, injuries, injuries, end of career, right?
00:55:47.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:48.80
Adz
He's come back and he's putting up triple doubles. He's pushing very hard for all-star selection. And I think it'll be, I think it'll be a travesty if he's not selected as an all-star this year.
00:55:54.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I hope he makes the All-Star team this year. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they've got the the winning record too. So it's like, there's not a lot of reasons to at least have him in as an injury replacement, right?
00:56:06.10
Russell Gibson
I think that's the, yeah.
00:56:07.49
Adz
Correct. Yeah.
00:56:08.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:09.84
Adz
it's um and And yeah, so I think Cades sort of earned his dues and the Pistons are headed in the right direction, which is not something I've been able to say for a while.
00:56:09.97
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:56:19.65
Adz
and I know we've got a few listeners that the do have love for um Detroit, so hopefully they're feeling a bit better about their team.
00:56:29.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:30.82
Adz
It'd be Paris and Al, wouldn't it?
00:56:31.42
Russell Gibson
Silver PSA, 10 Kade rookie population on this is 320.
00:56:38.95
Adz
Yes.
00:56:39.72
Russell Gibson
So that's Lamello ball number.
00:56:39.73
Adz
Sorry. So lower, lower than lamella lamella.
00:56:42.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:42.65
Adz
He's like 400.
00:56:43.72
Russell Gibson
Lower than Jalen green, which is, that's actually quite interesting to me because they're same draft class, but he's been graded less.
00:56:50.17
Adz
Hmm.
00:56:52.34
Russell Gibson
Last sale on this was 399 USD.
00:56:52.42
Adz
Hang on.
00:56:55.30
Russell Gibson
There was a sale very recently for 450, so let's just say that he's sitting at 425, somewhere between 400 and 450.
00:57:02.92
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:05.37
Adz
yeah And his gem rate is actually um up a closer to 20%, but it's still not not brilliant.
00:57:11.98
Russell Gibson
God, that's that's so bad, isn't it?
00:57:13.21
Adz
It shows about the quality of Panini's um production.
00:57:15.09
Russell Gibson
ah
00:57:17.83
Adz
I don't know, the last yeah the last month he's up 50%.
00:57:23.14
Russell Gibson
So, where I'm at with this guy is like 400-450s. After that, I'm like, something really needs to happen for it to go higher for it to go to 600, 700. You need all star starter.
00:57:35.26
Russell Gibson
You need all MBA. You need MVP. So for me, I'm very happy about this. I don't get me wrong.
00:57:40.97
Adz
Mmm.
00:57:41.36
Russell Gibson
I think it's really good that this guy's, you know, there's some hobby love back into this guy, but at the same time, I'm also a little bit in the caution sort of like, you know, frame of mind too. So where are you at with this guy?
00:57:52.12
Russell Gibson
You buy hold selling him at this point.
00:57:54.31
Adz
I feel like I missed the boat I'm buying.
00:57:56.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:56.60
Adz
um I think he's in his price point now. I think that $400 to $500 mark is for someone that plays at his level. So he's still a buy, like I don't think he's he's um you're lose lots on him recently.
00:58:08.84
Adz
but
00:58:08.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:09.89
Adz
if things don't keep rising the way they are for Detroit, that could go the other way very quickly. That said, I mean, Detroit being a successful team could result in a lot of hobby love. There's a lot of Pistons fans out there.
00:58:24.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think the market is something to consider when you talk about Cade, but I think the bigger thing that's probably pushing him up is that he was a number one overall pick. I think people remember that more than him being drafted to Detroit.
00:58:33.75
Adz
For sure.
00:58:37.20
Russell Gibson
So I think that is in my head. Do you know what I mean?
00:58:39.92
Adz
Oh, in the hot.
00:58:40.35
Russell Gibson
Like that's more the narrative there.
00:58:40.93
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:41.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:42.33
Adz
But I think the team's got to succeed in order for him to be in the spotlight is where I'm going with that.
00:58:46.37
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:58:47.79
Adz
Like I was concerned and I thought Detroit are going to suck for a very long time.
00:58:48.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:51.60
Adz
This could be bad.
00:58:51.99
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, I have to admit I was in that same, I was in that same mind space too.
00:58:52.88
Adz
And then when I saw that turn.
00:58:56.11
Russell Gibson
I think that's the this surprise out of all this. All right.
00:58:59.10
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:59.78
Russell Gibson
So why don't we talk about the rest of the roster now? Because I think that's worth talking about.
00:59:02.86
Adz
For sure.
00:59:02.94
Russell Gibson
So Kate Cunningham, 23 years of age, Jalen Duran, 21 years of age. So still like growth in that space there.
00:59:08.49
Adz
Very young. Yep.
00:59:09.79
Russell Gibson
Jayden Ivey is 22 and I think that When he was coming out of the draft there was some jammer and comparisons I think that we can let go of that and maybe he's more like an Austin Reeves that would be his high point there and that's respect I'm not saying that in a this way.
00:59:26.62
Adz
yeah Yeah, now Austin raves is
00:59:28.90
Russell Gibson
Um, beef stew. Look, I don't think there's heaps of upside on that guy. He's 23 years of age. Azure Thompson though, is the really interesting one because we've seen the other Thompson t twin in Houston just literally explode.
00:59:41.94
Russell Gibson
And there's a lot of prospecting going on with the other Thompson twins. So it's kind of like, can you extrapolate that across to Azure Thompson in Detroit? Look, I'm not a hundred percent sold on that, but definitely keep your eyes peeled in that space there.
00:59:54.99
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:55.53
Russell Gibson
So let's talk Jalen Duren first. He's definitely not on card ladder.
01:00:01.87
Adz
No, he's not.
01:00:02.23
Russell Gibson
I'm just going straight to 130 point here. 2223 select Premier level light blue disco numbered to 99 PSA 10. That sold for 41 USD.
01:00:12.95
Russell Gibson
So PSA 10 low numbered.
01:00:13.58
Adz
hu
01:00:15.97
Russell Gibson
It's, you know, basically nothing here. Look, I think we've already touched on this with Evan Mobley.
01:00:18.28
Adz
yeah I think there's there's a ceiling there and it's sort a very high one.
01:00:25.95
Russell Gibson
I think that's about it, to be honest. I don't think the flip is there.
01:00:27.57
Adz
Yep.
01:00:29.23
Russell Gibson
I think this is a PC purchase type deal.
01:00:31.26
Adz
Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah
01:00:32.71
Russell Gibson
Do I think it's a bad one to buy into in terms of um him you got to spend all this money and then he's going to be out of the league and then you've sort of done it all like AKA Admiral Scofield.
01:00:44.00
Russell Gibson
No, I don't. This guy's going to be a 10 or a 15 year pro. There's no problems with that. He's big. He's skilled. He seems to have a really good disposition, which I think
01:00:52.69
Adz
yeah
01:00:53.77
Russell Gibson
Um, the pistons are actually done really well on drafting, you know, guys with a good attitude.
01:00:58.47
Adz
Yeah, the temperament.
01:00:58.81
Russell Gibson
So I think that's fine.
01:00:59.52
Adz
Yeah, they've got a lot of players with good temperament in the court.
01:01:00.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Jade and Ivy is probably the one I'm more interested to talk to you about with.
01:01:07.04
Adz
Yep.
01:01:07.40
Russell Gibson
And the reason for that is I think in terms of pure upside, I think.
01:01:13.79
Russell Gibson
You can make an argument if the hobby analogy is Cade Cunningham is Zion Williamson and this guy is actually John Moran. He's got the most upside in terms of you know moving forward, going up into the future. I'm not too sure if I laid that analogy out that well. but
01:01:31.24
Adz
No, that makes sense. i
01:01:32.74
Russell Gibson
When JAR first came out in the rookie class, it was much more expensive to buy a Zion than a JAR. that That's where, okay, look, let's just drop it.
01:01:39.67
Adz
Yeah, that's that's that's a good point.
01:01:40.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:41.35
Adz
i yeah
01:01:41.80
Russell Gibson
All righty. 2023 Prism FastBake Jaden Ivy PSA 10. That sold for 97 USD. So look, Yes, you're starting to get up in pricing now, but but that is a PSA 10.
01:01:52.11
Adz
oh
01:01:54.56
Russell Gibson
That is a rookie card. And it's also an autograph. You know, I don't mind that at all. This is a fun one to talk about the Prism rookie variation card PSA 10.
01:02:06.11
Russell Gibson
That's for 50 USD.
01:02:08.02
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:08.03
Russell Gibson
I really liked that as a purchase, actually.
01:02:10.80
Adz
Very, yeah, that's a, it's a very, um yeah, savvy purchase.
01:02:14.76
Russell Gibson
Revolution rookie autograph. Raw sold for 27 USD. Yeah, so I think in terms of upside, when I look at these numbers, I see a lot more upside there and far higher than say Jalen Duran.
01:02:23.66
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:32.65
Adz
Yes. I like that. Yeah, yeah. But this is the thing. That's the guards versus bigs, right?
01:02:37.81
Russell Gibson
Definitely.
01:02:38.44
Adz
Do you, like, it takes a lot to get hobby love for Big Ben.
01:02:43.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and you'll definitely see a lot more highlights for Jade and Ivy than Jalen Duren.
01:02:44.12
Adz
Look at... Yep.
01:02:47.72
Russell Gibson
I think that's the other thing too. You know, if these guys do have a ah deep playoff run, you will definitely see Jade and Ivy highlights of him throwing down on people, getting steals, you know, out into the open court, all that sort of, you know, very Instagrammable, you know, type content.
01:02:49.34
Adz
Yep.
01:02:55.52
Adz
Oh, hell yeah.
01:03:02.23
Russell Gibson
So.
01:03:02.79
Adz
Shooting guard is probably, shooting guards are ah are a um ah very spotlight focused position.
01:03:10.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think he can, so I think actually what's interesting for me too is I can kind of see them playing a little bit of interchange where Jaden could bring the ball down and set up Kade and you know, vice versa.
01:03:18.09
Adz
oh So he's more of a combo guard than a, yep.
01:03:23.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah. and Kind of what I feel like Atlanta have done really well this year of pairing Dyson Daniels with Trey Young. Like those two facilitate for each other, you know, really well.
01:03:31.99
Adz
quite well, yeah.
01:03:32.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I kind of liked that pairing in Detroit too.
01:03:35.87
Adz
Yep.
01:03:35.95
Russell Gibson
Look, I think Kate is going to have the ball in his hands a lot more, but there'll be instances on that. Let's wrap this up. Let's recap. What's your closing thoughts on these last three players that was, it's been talking about.
01:03:46.90
Adz
um Yeah, look, I think Jalen Duran's gonna be fun to watch. I don't know about collecting.
01:03:51.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:53.44
Adz
I think Jay Naivey is definitely one to watch. He's a bit younger than Cade, so might have a breakout next year.
01:04:01.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:01.97
Adz
So maybe there is some value there in in in Jaden Ivy, but Cade, um it's good to see Cade in the spotlight finally, in a really positive way, injury-free, playing good basketball, and I'm looking forward to seeing him in All-Star Weekend.
01:04:12.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:16.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool. I'm going to take this recap a little bit differently. I'm going to say don't be scared to buy 2122 product just because it's cheap.
01:04:23.63
Adz
Mm.
01:04:23.78
Russell Gibson
It doesn't mean it's bad. I would actually say the opposite. I think this is a hole in the market. I think we've just recapped a whole bunch of really good prospects coming out of this product and you can pick it up for half the price of other Prism products at the moment.
01:04:36.94
Russell Gibson
To me, it's an absolute no-brainer to purchase 2122 Prism products. so um I have no financial interest in that statement.
01:04:41.75
Adz
I actually yeah, if you yeah.
01:04:44.14
Russell Gibson
It's just something like, personally myself, I'd rather rip 2122 than a lot of other product at the moment. so
01:04:49.80
Adz
So maybe maybe that's it. Yeah, if you if you are if you do get the itch and want to want to crack some product, there's some value to be found in that 20 at that 21.
01:04:55.13
Russell Gibson
yeah Head down to fast break trading cards and pick up some 2122, ask them what they've got.
01:04:58.13
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:01.59
Adz
Yep.
01:05:02.30
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, I am going to suggest we finish off today's show with a listener question or a listener comment. So this came up on our Mailbag post from Instagram.
01:05:10.19
Adz
Oh,
01:05:12.93
Russell Gibson
This is from Lou Ho PC. I don't know if it's been discussed before, but as we know that the top players currently are all mostly not American, is it kind of showing a trend that maybe one day in about 10 to 15 years, the most sought after card would be an international player?
01:05:30.46
Russell Gibson
Adam, where are you at with this?
01:05:32.14
Adz
Nikola Jokic, Jana Santatokompo, Lukadontich.
01:05:34.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:36.38
Adz
Like, it's already happened. Like, the the the most the the best players in the world are not. SGA's Canadian. Like, they're not Americans.
01:05:45.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:47.94
Adz
um The international factor is is already taking over our fine game. I'll follow that up by saying there's no way on earth. that that you're gonna take the throne away from Michael Jordan as the number one collected basketballer.
01:06:04.50
Russell Gibson
Sure. Of all time. Yeah.
01:06:06.04
Adz
Correct. Michael Jordan, so do you know what I mean? Like you're never taking that title. LeBron had the biggest crack at it and he did not succeed.
01:06:12.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I kind of read that question.
01:06:18.28
Russell Gibson
ah So you read that question as in like all time.
01:06:21.96
Adz
Yeah, because if you're talking about current day, it already it's already taking effect.
01:06:22.81
Russell Gibson
Sure.
01:06:25.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I've read that it's like today, who would be the most collectible?
01:06:28.79
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:29.41
Russell Gibson
Would it be an international play? Sure. Yeah. So I suppose so you could answer that two ways. You could say if you're talking all time, it's very difficult to to knock Jordan, LeBron and Kobe off.
01:06:33.71
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:40.25
Russell Gibson
I think that's a huge ask too.
01:06:41.56
Adz
Mm.
01:06:42.01
Russell Gibson
Like that's three big Americans. But if you're talking about current day.
01:06:45.60
Adz
And Wembley's French, so yeah, sure, Wembley's got a chance at at being the most collectible.
01:06:50.51
Russell Gibson
So you actually kind of stole my answer because my answer was going to be SGA. I actually think in the next couple of years, that's the one to me is like really one to watch.
01:06:54.49
Adz
Nice.
01:06:57.98
Russell Gibson
So currently trading at, let's call it $800 USD, population 680 on this.
01:06:59.07
Adz
Interesting. 700. Okay. Yeah.
01:07:05.88
Russell Gibson
You know, there's a lot of chatter at the moment that he is going to be the best player in basketball, if not now, in the next one or two years.
01:07:10.89
Adz
Mm.
01:07:14.26
Russell Gibson
The thunder of, you know, we talked about this super young,
01:07:17.79
Adz
Exciting.
01:07:18.81
Russell Gibson
really highly rated ranked in the Western Conference. Can they win the championship in the next two to three years? It's not crazy to say that. So um what I'm going to say now is this is my like crazy sort of thing to go out on the end of the podcast with.
01:07:27.73
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:33.74
Russell Gibson
I think this is going to be a thousand dollar card very soon. I actually think this would go to one thousand one hundred, maybe even one thousand two hundred dollars. That's like how much I think we've dropped the ball on this ad.
01:07:43.95
Adz
That's how good he's really.
01:07:45.81
Russell Gibson
So if we go back the last two years, this is you know, this is crazy.
01:07:48.35
Adz
Nah, I'll keep him at Tatum status at 800 bucks.
01:07:50.41
Russell Gibson
This was trading for like $400, 375, you know?
01:07:53.01
Adz
i i Yeah, oh for sure. like I think it was definitely undervalued, but I don't think, yeah.
01:07:54.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We missed it. Yeah.
01:07:58.40
Adz
Yeah, I think I said I undervalued it at one point.
01:08:00.74
Russell Gibson
So Lujo PC, thank you so much for your excellent question. That was a really fun one.
01:08:06.11
Adz
Yeah, that was awesome.
01:08:06.25
Russell Gibson
And it was also very interpretable too. So that was, that was kind of cool.
01:08:10.17
Adz
It was fun.
01:08:11.68
Russell Gibson
Thank you for a lovely show, Adam.
01:08:13.32
Adz
It was good, it was a lovely way to spend a Saturday morning.
01:08:15.61
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Thank you everyone to listening.
01:08:16.55
Adz
But um we'll be, I think we'll be back to to to Sunday nights for those that are ah ah watching on YouTube. We've got a few people in the in the live chat, but look at it, watching in.
01:08:26.60
Russell Gibson
As long as we keep the content coming out, that's the more important thing. Thank you to all of our Central Coast radio listeners too.
01:08:29.58
Adz
That's true.
01:08:31.88
Russell Gibson
We really appreciate your love and support. Have a wonderful day.
01:08:35.98
Adz
See you next week.