Episode 183: Backyard Breaks, NBA All Star Reserves, Mailbag, Caitlin Clark, BGS vs PSA

Adam and Russell are back with another episode of You Can't Comp This! This week, they dive into:

🏀 Backyard Breaks controversy – what’s the latest drama?
🏀 NBA All-Star reserves – who got snubbed, and who got lucky?
🏀 Mailbag: A Facebook discussion worth unpacking!
🏀 Caitlin Clark declines the 3PT shootout – why?
🏀 Season over for Dejounte Murray and  Jalen Johnson – what’s next for the Hawks?
🏀 Adam’s card discussions – what’s caught his eye this week?
🏀 Suns and Jazz trade   – impact and implications
🏀 Jimmy suspended again  – what’s going on?
🏀 BGS v PSA – who’s the real grading king?

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00:00:00.00
Adz
And we are already on.

00:00:14.65
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 183 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your host, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:27.25
Adz
All recovered from the yeah from the emergency emergency pod.

00:00:30.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we should probably announce a trade that Marky Morris has been traded to the Lakers. It's a, it's a huge, huge trade.

00:00:35.86
Adz
Yeah, massive, massive deal.

00:00:37.88
Russell Gibson
And, um, the, the Mavericks had to include Luca Doncic to unload his crappy contract that no one wanted basically.

00:00:44.61
Adz
And maxi cleaver.

00:00:47.75
Russell Gibson
So congratulations to the maps for unloading Marky Morris.

00:00:47.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:00:51.82
Russell Gibson
That's what I say about all this.

00:00:52.89
Adz
Good job, good job. Yeah, exciting times.

00:00:57.54
Russell Gibson
All righty. If you haven't heard our. emergency podcasts, go back one episode and check that out. We did a full breakdown on the Luca Doncic Anthony Davis trade, so that's probably all we're going to say about that.

00:01:08.01
Adz
that Yeah, mini therapy session for me, really.

00:01:11.15
Russell Gibson
Not probably, that is all. That's right.

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Russell Gibson
If you don't know, we are on the radio, centralcoastradio.com, Tuesdays 10 a.m. Sorry, Tuesdays 11 p.m., Thursdays 10 a.m.

00:01:27.07
Russell Gibson
and Saturday night 3 a.m. if you're

00:01:30.43
Adz
Saturday night, 3am. Is that Friday night or Saturday night, as in Sunday morning?

00:01:32.11
Russell Gibson
Upraging Saturday night. Yeah, Saturday night.

00:01:36.50
Adz
Okay, so Saturday night, Sunday morning, 3 a.m., okay.

00:01:38.66
Russell Gibson
Correct. So if you're upraging Saturday night and you want a bit of, you can't comp this at 3 a.m. Central Coast Radio dot com is your source for all good things.

00:01:49.75
Adz
for For all things basketball cards.

00:01:52.21
Russell Gibson
All right. We just spoke about good things. Let's talk about bad things. Backyard breaks went.

00:01:58.00
Adz
How are we gonna lead this? They're a pack of flogs.

00:02:00.54
Russell Gibson
I I think that's a really good way to lead into it. I think we just sort of tip tiptoe around what they said. They basically just made a whole bunch of inappropriate and very black jokes in a very public forum that could have and most likely had children in it listening.

00:02:17.30
Adz
Yeah, there's stuff, yeah there's stuff, there's lines you don't cross. It's as simple as that. And we all get it that they try to be controversial and yeah.

00:02:22.41
Russell Gibson
I think there's a time and a place for yeah there's a time and a place for all types of jokes and all types of um

00:02:27.22
Adz
I don't know if you...

00:02:30.98
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
things to be said.

00:02:33.06
Adz
Yep.

00:02:33.32
Russell Gibson
And I, I'm not defending them in any way, but I actually don't think they're sex offenders or pedophiles or, you know, some of the stuff that's been sort of floated out there about all that.

00:02:40.83
Adz
That's for you.

00:02:42.90
Russell Gibson
I do know that they were, I'm assuming they said it in jest. However, the part that I do agree with the sort of the general blowback from all of this is that there's no place for it in that forum and there's no place for it in the hobby per se.

00:02:55.71
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Like, I don't think that that's the culture we all endeavor for this you know hobby to be.

00:03:00.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:02.77
Russell Gibson
And I think, look, whether they like it or or not, they are at the forefront of the hobby, even though Jeff Wilson thinks he's like

00:03:04.05
Adz
Yeah. I agreed.

00:03:07.93
Adz
Yep.

00:03:13.50
Russell Gibson
the head of the hobby and, you know, people consult him for his opinion about all this. Jeff Wilson, no one asked you about your opinion on backyard breaks, mate. No one cares. like No one cares at all. So don't tell people that you've been asked about it.

00:03:26.62
Russell Gibson
And so maybe his kid did.

00:03:26.65
Adz
Maybe his wife asked him. Yeah.

00:03:31.67
Russell Gibson
Anyway, so one interesting thing that did actually come out of this though, is that there was a petition formed about it. And this is to me is the really interesting part.

00:03:41.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:42.22
Russell Gibson
From my perspective, sort of looking at you know sort of a more global reach is that people actually did feel strongly enough about it that they tried to do something about it.

00:03:45.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:50.98
Russell Gibson
And I'm all for peaceful protest. So this is like my line of of work here.

00:03:54.58
Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
So whoever did do that, I think that's just a really positive you know way to go about it.

00:04:00.54
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:04:01.95
Russell Gibson
Whatnot removed them from the platform. what nott Yeah, it wasn't a very long suspension.

00:04:05.07
Adz
What, for 24 hours?

00:04:08.79
Russell Gibson
And then backyard breaks. issued an apology and they said that it doesn't fit their values of their company.

00:04:17.80
Adz
Well, don't say it in the first place.

00:04:19.39
Russell Gibson
But my understanding was, well, my understanding was the guy that said it was actually one of the ah owners.

00:04:20.52
Adz
I mean, oh, yep. Yeah.

00:04:27.80
Adz
Yep. i

00:04:33.68
Adz
How do I say this? I expect this kind of crap from people like that. They've made ah they've made a name for themselves being controversial, pushing boundaries and and being controversial.

00:04:48.19
Adz
They do, they get reactions out of people, right? They knew exactly what they were doing when they did this. And the thing that I'm most disgusted about is what not banned them for what, 24 hours?

00:04:59.55
Adz
there's no There's no actual accountability and repercussion for what they've done because they're too big in the hobby, whatever the reason is.

00:05:04.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So so my my rep my reply to that is that Whatnot couldn't afford to keep them off the platform.

00:05:10.27
Adz
The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

00:05:19.47
Adz
and that's But that's scary, isn't it? You got people like this that, don't need to be censored because they're going to do what they want to do anyway.

00:05:35.98
Adz
Do you know what I mean? like when When they're like, nah, we can't afford to have them off the air, that's a problem. And they need to fix that problem.

00:05:46.35
Russell Gibson
It's a really interesting dilemma because I think that removing them for 24 hours definitely makes a statement, but also putting them back on equally makes a statement about it too.

00:05:58.32
Russell Gibson
Does that make sense? It sort of says, well, we value their money more than we value upholding values of, you know, of an upstanding platform.

00:05:58.99
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. And this is, I think about it like, say if it's a workplace, and we're gonna say these streaming platforms are people's workplaces.

00:06:07.96
Russell Gibson
and so

00:06:18.17
Adz
It's what they do for a living, right? If I was at work and I said something like this, I would be sacked.

00:06:27.44
Russell Gibson
So you're saying that it's not up to what not, per se, it's more up to backyard breaks to sort him out and give him a punishment.

00:06:35.06
Adz
Both, I think, i i think i think what not, not having any real repercussions and showing no accountability is actually suggesting that it's okay for Backyard Breaks to say whatever they want.

00:06:35.11
Russell Gibson
Is that what you mean? Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
yeah

00:06:50.69
Adz
And they are enclosed with fanatics, they are enclosed with tops, they are they have ingrained themselves into the hobby.

00:06:59.84
Russell Gibson
Oh, the,

00:06:59.97
Adz
And to come out like this and not be reprimanded to, to any real extent.

00:07:03.43
Russell Gibson
but when you say ingrained, when you say ingrained, what you're really saying is they've got spend more than, like, I i would say that these days, they would break more than Leighton's cards, and Leighton's used to be the kings of breaking.

00:07:09.15
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:07:18.78
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, I think for me, this is where it just all lies.

00:07:19.07
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:07:22.76
Russell Gibson
It just all lies down with money and that influence that you talk about.

00:07:25.24
Adz
ye Yeah. Yeah.

00:07:26.57
Russell Gibson
But in my head, when you say influence, I just think cash basically.

00:07:29.65
Adz
cash Yeah, yeah, but I just I just don't think that's um Yeah, I really I really think it's very disappointing from the Especially from like whatnot and and like there's no sort of top-down It's like get big enough as a breaker and you can say whatever you want is the message they're sending out It's

00:07:29.77
Russell Gibson
so yeah

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Russell Gibson
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:54.58
Adz
just disappointing anyway

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Russell Gibson
So what do you think is an appropriate punishment for this type of scenario?

00:08:04.29
Adz
I'd have the per the the the people that make comments like that, I just wouldn't, they'd have to do some kind of, A, there'd be a suspension rather than you're off for a day, um like a proper suspension, and then some form of of actual rehabilitative

00:08:20.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:26.54
Adz
action where it's like, you need to understand why the concert, what why what you said was so inappropriate. So you need to go to some form of counseling so that you actually learn and go, oh, well, whatever.

00:08:34.78
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah.

00:08:37.87
Adz
I said that annoyed a few people. I'm gonna go back on air and do the same thing again.

00:08:44.41
Adz
yeah It just, it doesn't, it doesn't mesh up and it doesn't, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

00:08:44.45
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:08:50.50
Russell Gibson
So so I think that what they should do is is increase their fee for a particular time. So, for example, whatnot's take is 20 percent or whatever it is.

00:09:01.00
Adz
Yep. Make it fiscal.

00:09:02.43
Russell Gibson
Now they say for the next three months, your take is now 30 percent.

00:09:03.13
Adz
Okay.

00:09:06.00
Adz
Yep.

00:09:06.66
Russell Gibson
So essentially they've got like a 10 percent penalty.

00:09:08.96
Adz
So they pay extra.

00:09:10.30
Russell Gibson
Right.

00:09:11.04
Adz
It's like a fine, I guess.

00:09:11.56
Russell Gibson
So I think we're pretty well established that

00:09:11.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:15.56
Russell Gibson
um, they can't afford to have them off the platform.

00:09:18.74
Adz
Sure.

00:09:18.81
Russell Gibson
So then at least they're still sending that message that, you know, yes, you've 24 hours off. Um, and then in terms of actually the, what they said, either they need to look at their T's and C's and, you know, improve their behavior code because backyard breaks argument could be, well, what do we say wrong?

00:09:30.62
Adz
Yeah, they need to.

00:09:33.73
Russell Gibson
There's nothing in the terms and conditions that says that, right?

00:09:35.35
Adz
Yep.

00:09:37.18
Russell Gibson
So I reckon that's the other thing too. That's, that's the two things that I would probably suggest like to say, All right. We didn't want to do a long time on this. We've already done nearly eight minutes on it. What's your final thoughts before we move on?

00:09:47.70
Adz
um

00:09:47.72
Russell Gibson
Anything else have we missed?

00:09:48.91
Adz
Classic, classic American money talks. Disappointing. That's all.

00:10:00.06
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's finish. Let's leave that behind. And ah I've just realized that the article I put into link is behind a paywall.

00:10:04.93
Adz
Yep.

00:10:09.43
Russell Gibson
So that's super annoying.

00:10:10.06
Adz
Ha ha.

00:10:13.22
Russell Gibson
So we will need to really quickly Google this and I'll probably go back and edit this out, but that's okay.

00:10:28.39
Russell Gibson
I'll just link it to, it's in the Zencaster chat.

00:10:34.40
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:10:37.75
Adz
Ah, the um the player pool for the All-Star game.

00:10:41.17
Russell Gibson
Yep. alrighty 2025 NBA All-Star Game. Who got snubbed? Who made it that shouldn't have? I'll quickly read through the rosters and then you can fire back.

00:10:55.23
Russell Gibson
Yarnas, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Jason Tatum, Carlton in Towns, that was revealed last week.

00:10:59.26
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:11:00.10
Russell Gibson
Reserves, Jalen Brown, Spicy P, Darius Garland, Cade Cunningham, Lillard, Evan Mobley, Tyler Hero. Coach is Kenny Atkinson. Western Conference, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, SGA, Joachim announced last week, reserves, Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, or do we say the man traded for Luca Doncic, James Harden, Triple J, Jalen Williams, Shen Goon and Wembley.

00:11:28.24
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, who is your biggest surprise omission or addition?

00:11:33.25
Adz
Ball. Ball is the omission for sure.

00:11:38.64
Adz
You know what I mean? Like, Lamello Ball was one of the highest vote getters and should have been a starter.

00:11:41.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:45.07
Adz
Should have been a starter over Brunton. We know this.

00:11:47.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:49.27
Adz
And this is where we're not talking about when people were just voting for Taco Fall to try and get him into the All-Star game.

00:11:58.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:59.12
Adz
Like, Lamello Ball is having a really good season.

00:12:02.50
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:12:04.29
Adz
Um, I just, I don't, I don't think it's fair on, on someone like that to, to be, to get snubbed. Um, and then obviously in the Western conference, I'd say, um, the, the other, the other clipper.

00:12:16.42
Russell Gibson
So can I just hold you up there for two seconds?

00:12:18.62
Adz
Yep.

00:12:19.23
Russell Gibson
So I think that Tyler Harrow made it instead of Lamello Ball. The Heat record is 24 and 23.

00:12:23.68
Adz
ye

00:12:26.77
Russell Gibson
And Jimmy Butler is arguably their best player and has missed a lot of games. On the flip side, the Hornets are 12 and 34.

00:12:35.03
Adz
Sure.

00:12:35.19
Russell Gibson
So I think, in my head, the narrative there is that's who they chose between.

00:12:41.02
Adz
Good. Well, the league are doing the good player, bad team, but the funny, the funny thing is right.

00:12:41.87
Russell Gibson
And they went for, yeah.

00:12:46.39
Adz
The reason we have the votes, the reason we have the votes is so that the people get to see the players they want to see.

00:12:54.84
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:12:55.01
Adz
Now the Hornets might be an absolute train wreck this season, but they want to see Lamello ball and the All-Star game is the perfect platform for him.

00:12:58.36
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:13:01.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I completely agree on that one.

00:13:04.82
Adz
Like, I think, like going into the West, I think Norman Powell probably deserves a spot, but they picked Harden. Whatever, they picked the other guard.

00:13:14.42
Russell Gibson
That's a really interesting one for me, actually. I was so that's my biggest surprise. I did not expect Hardin to be in because also if you look at these numbers, too, they're not

00:13:22.34
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:13:23.44
Russell Gibson
You know, for him, he's scoring numbers a way down, 21.5 a game.

00:13:26.43
Adz
Yeah. 21-8-5.

00:13:27.52
Russell Gibson
8.4 assists a game is he' excellent. I mean, you can't turn your you know nose up at that.

00:13:30.39
Adz
Yep.

00:13:32.52
Russell Gibson
And, you know, maybe, I mean, he's been moving into the second phase of his career for a couple of years now.

00:13:35.93
Adz
I just.

00:13:39.12
Russell Gibson
He's slowing down all the time, but maybe that's where he's going to be as someone just sets everybody up in the future. I don't know.

00:13:45.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:46.11
Russell Gibson
James Harden's got old man game. If he's still playing at 38, I'm not going to be shocked.

00:13:49.92
Adz
You probably don't. Yeah, not surprised.

00:13:52.18
Russell Gibson
38, 39, you know. Um, at 28 and 20, the Clippers, maybe that's what it is. They, they wanted someone to be there from the Clippers and look, they've had an amazing season when you say it like that, haven't they?

00:14:02.30
Russell Gibson
So, all right.

00:14:03.00
Adz
Yeah, they're doing really well. And it's just, ah yeah, I just don't think it's fair on lamello. That's all.

00:14:08.65
Russell Gibson
So my, my big shock is Shingoon. And the reason I'm shocked is because, well, there's three reasons why. The first reason why is the Rockets are 32 and 16. You know, I would not have said that.

00:14:23.08
Russell Gibson
What's more unlikely, the Rockets?

00:14:23.38
Adz
Are you youre surprised that he made it?

00:14:26.37
Russell Gibson
So yeah, so the Rockets are 32 and 16. That was a surprise for me. I will put that as as surprising as Luca getting traded to the Lakers. like Honestly, I didn't see either of these things playing out.

00:14:33.39
Adz
like Okay.

00:14:35.43
Russell Gibson
And so then for them to put someone from the Rockets team in, I kind of feel like sometimes what happens is that Even if a team has a good year, they'll say, oh, well, you haven't been good for two years. So you need to have two years of sort of good behavior before you make to the All-Star team.

00:14:50.01
Russell Gibson
Whereas that didn't happen this year.

00:14:50.95
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:14:51.09
Russell Gibson
They so said, you guys are playing great. Someone has to be in and it's Shen Goon. So that was our thing too. Should've Jaylen Green been instead of Shingoon, you know, maybe that's what should have happened. But at the same time, I actually don't care.

00:15:03.52
Russell Gibson
Like what's really more important to me.

00:15:03.58
Adz
I like this. I like this for the rockets. I had Shingoon in my pick, yeah.

00:15:05.52
Russell Gibson
I love this for the Rockets. I think this is so cool. And then the other thing is probably my second surprise is Jaylen Williams. I think that's a really...

00:15:14.45
Adz
That's a hat tip to the Thunder's performance, right?

00:15:16.56
Russell Gibson
It really is a hat tip to them, but also, too, that's not the second person who I thought would have been on that team. So I think this is the one that we we probably need to talk about card wise, you know, straight away.

00:15:23.89
Adz
Interesting. Okay.

00:15:28.23
Russell Gibson
like like Let's just get into it because, you know, we have spoken about Jalen Williams in this podcast. It's not like we've never mentioned the kid's name, but I also feel as though we haven't been on him or supporting him or saying he's someone we should be buying and I really think we've dropped the ball on this and that's fine, you know, we can't catch every prospect that's coming through. Silver PSA 10 rookie card population is 620, last sold for $180.

00:16:00.23
Russell Gibson
so

00:16:02.80
Adz
as Yeah, I mean, that 180 for a silver, isn't it?

00:16:03.68
Russell Gibson
It's not cheap as chips. People have clearly been onto this, you know, way before, you know, what we have in the last six months, he's actually down 9%. In the last 12 months, he's down 6%. So, you know, you can make a really strong argument that his hobby value has been quite strong for a long time, for more than 12 months is what I'm trying to say on that.

00:16:29.85
Adz
Isn't, um...

00:16:29.98
Russell Gibson
I think that's what's put me off a little bit too. I don't think he's a $180 card at this point, so clearly the people who are buying into him saw these All-Star games in the future, saw the all-MBA potential, all that.

00:16:34.87
Adz
Okay. Mmm. Yeah.

00:16:44.06
Russell Gibson
Look, if he spikes around around his All-Star selection, my gut feeling is to say sell, because I don't see this kid as a as a huge prospect and potential.

00:16:49.69
Adz
Yup. That's a long term. Yup.

00:16:58.16
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, if you have a differing opinion to me, don't actually listen to what I say.

00:17:00.97
Adz
Oh, I agree.

00:17:02.30
Russell Gibson
like that's It's just my bias around that card. I'm just not super high on this guy. so Yeah, he's good.

00:17:08.12
Adz
Look, I'm um'm super proud of of what Jalen Williams has done this year for the OKC, but I've still got him as the number three guy in OKC, and I think Chet's probably the other one that you look at in addition to SGA.

00:17:14.33
Russell Gibson
He's a good player.

00:17:20.91
Russell Gibson
Well, maybe what this actually says, though, is that he is the more reliable number two.

00:17:25.82
Adz
That's true.

00:17:26.04
Russell Gibson
And Chet is going to be your sort of filly and who's when he's healthy, he just, you know, chips in and he's a really good third option.

00:17:31.59
Adz
Mmm.

00:17:34.65
Russell Gibson
And I think that's totally fine. But, you know, what that says to me about Chet is you can't put a whole bunch of money into that guy and you buy him on the low, you don't buy him on the high and you sort of just be very conservative with Chet.

00:17:40.51
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

00:17:47.45
Russell Gibson
let's Let's do buy, hold, sell for Jalen Williams. I think we need to give this kid a bit more you know time and respect, mate. This is huge for me. I think we need to, if someone's been an all-star in this fashion, you don't buy at 180, what do you buy?

00:17:54.52
Adz
I don't buy at 180.

00:17:58.25
Russell Gibson
it What's a good buy for this kid?

00:17:59.76
Adz
Probably below sub 150.

00:18:01.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's what I was thinking in my head too, sort of the 150 mark.

00:18:03.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:04.42
Russell Gibson
But in saying that, I think this is a very good indicator moving forward for this guy. so if you're if you're high on jelly jalen williams you know stick to your guns don't listen to what i've got to say What if you've never got any Jaylen Williams is now a good time to buy.

00:18:12.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:21.40
Russell Gibson
you know looking into the next five years

00:18:25.53
Adz
Depends how long you want to hold him for.

00:18:25.89
Russell Gibson
you could spend money on worse stuff

00:18:27.94
Adz
Yeah, true. True.

00:18:29.60
Russell Gibson
I think the Thunder are going to be very successful in the next couple of years. My thing is, though, is that if he does get traded or, you know, something happens to that team, SGA goes, I don't think Jaylen Williams is going to be a number one on a good team.

00:18:41.19
Adz
That's what I mean, like, yeah.

00:18:42.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's where I really struggle with this kid.

00:18:43.07
Adz
I think he's a number two, maybe a number, like, he's a number three, and then some days he's a number two.

00:18:45.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:47.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:48.01
Adz
He's never the main guy. That's, that's probably my concern.

00:18:51.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's where I really struggle is that it's just really hard for me to sort of say, you know, uh, okay.

00:18:54.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:57.47
Russell Gibson
Jaron Jackson Jr. We spoke about him either last week or the week before. I won't do card values on him again.

00:19:03.06
Adz
Yep.

00:19:03.30
Russell Gibson
From memory, his card was around the sort of the 60 a la mark. I like this because it's an analytics pick.

00:19:09.10
Adz
Yep.

00:19:10.77
Russell Gibson
He's not a numbers guy per se, six rebounds a game, two assists, 22 points, which is nice, but, you know, he's all about facilitating, being in the right spot at the right time.

00:19:11.49
Adz
Analytics pick.

00:19:20.67
Russell Gibson
He just does everything right. So I kind of like this for a basketball pick.

00:19:24.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:25.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Let's have a breakout and when we come back, we'll talk wimby because we have to talk about wimby.

00:19:30.85
Adz
It's got an All-Star debut.

00:19:32.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:33.60
Adz
Pretty cool.

00:19:36.79
Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:20:14.47
Adz
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00:20:15.95
Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:20:32.52
Adz
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00:20:34.53
Russell Gibson
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00:20:36.70
Adz
Nice.

00:20:38.99
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much, Darren and team.

00:20:51.77
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?

00:20:53.83
Adz
I'm good, I'm good. It's time to talk about some debutantes in the All-Star game.

00:21:01.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we should talk about WMB because It is a big deal that he has been named. He probably should have been an All-Star last year. And it's just good to see the right people get picked for the game.

00:21:15.51
Russell Gibson
I think it's as simple as that. Sometimes I feel like in the NBA it's too complicated and they sort of overthink it. Just put the best players in.

00:21:20.92
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:21:22.85
Russell Gibson
Put Wembley in.

00:21:24.99
Adz
Hang on, you what about, what about, yeah.

00:21:28.76
Russell Gibson
Lomelo.

00:21:32.45
Russell Gibson
Oh man. Alrighty. Silver PSA 10 population 4218. It has been a while since we've spoken about this.

00:21:42.58
Adz
Oh my god, Vic.

00:21:43.77
Russell Gibson
Alright, so my recollection was the last time we spoke about this I was making a joke but half serious about it that it's gonna get to 10,000. I'm kind of feeling good about this 10,000 call.

00:21:57.02
Adz
it's it's It's slowed down a little bit, but you're far out. It's a lot of PSA 10s, isn't it?

00:22:05.16
Russell Gibson
There's 6,300 that have gone to PSA, 212 from BGS. Thanks BGS for your for your contribution to the grading community. 243 from SGC, 10 from CGC. I mean, CGC is going to be dead pretty soon. I'm assuming we're going to talk about that at some point. ah

00:22:23.55
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:22:27.36
Adz
That's a lot of, yeah.

00:22:27.52
Russell Gibson
I mean, this is

00:22:29.00
Adz
A gem's pretty well too though. 65% gem rate.

00:22:33.56
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah compared to some other cards we've spoken about, a hundred percent. Alrighty. So I think the question for me is, this is a bar. This is to me, the really interesting one about Wembley.

00:22:47.65
Russell Gibson
We know how liquid this card is.

00:22:48.07
Adz
i we know how over the Well, over the last year, it's down 66% starting price of $2,500.

00:22:53.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:56.12
Adz
It's currently sitting around that $800 mark though. So, you know what I mean? like Is that the right the the right price point for him?

00:23:02.86
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:23:03.00
Adz
I actually think he's probably a $1,200. Do you know what I mean? like he's

00:23:09.71
Russell Gibson
So what do you think this card could trade at 1200?

00:23:13.48
Adz
Yeah, I think I think he I think he's $1,000 card maybe overs on that.

00:23:14.26
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:23:17.94
Adz
um The thing is, I believe he's as good as claimed.

00:23:18.62
Russell Gibson
Okay. So I will very politely disagree with you on that.

00:23:27.84
Adz
Sure.

00:23:28.77
Russell Gibson
And the reason I say that is just because there's so many of them, like a population, the population

00:23:33.18
Adz
So population, hang on, have we just swapped hats? Because normally I argue about the pop population.

00:23:38.84
Russell Gibson
But the population of 4,000 is insane.

00:23:42.02
Adz
It is.

00:23:43.21
Russell Gibson
Okay, so, okay, let's talk about this. The orange ice, population 848, is currently trading for $400.

00:23:50.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:54.01
Adz
Okay.

00:23:56.09
Russell Gibson
I think that is a significantly better purchase than a silver.

00:23:59.41
Adz
What a bear.

00:24:00.82
Russell Gibson
I'm actually trying to find, there's nothing numbered on here on CardLena, so it's really hard to actually make a call on this in terms of that.

00:24:04.07
Adz
Hmm.

00:24:08.44
Russell Gibson
So the pink ice is 3000 of those.

00:24:12.87
Russell Gibson
They're trading for 300 bucks. So it's not a home run to buy an orange, but at the same time, you know.

00:24:16.99
Adz
Hmm.

00:24:21.51
Adz
What about that pink one, pink eyes?

00:24:21.84
Russell Gibson
So in terms of an indication of what a numbered would sell for, let's talk about the tiger stripe. We don't know exactly how many of those there are, but they're very difficult to get your hands on.

00:24:33.93
Russell Gibson
They they are a true, you know, sp SSP, blah, blah, blah.

00:24:35.56
Adz
Pop six, yeah.

00:24:38.49
Russell Gibson
PSA10 is POP6. Sale price on that is 15K.

00:24:42.21
Adz
What about the white sparkle?

00:24:43.46
Russell Gibson
And so...

00:24:45.08
Adz
It's the other one it's it's the same thing, like these low pop, if it's not 4,000 and it's in single figures or double figures,

00:24:50.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so the white sparkle ones, though, there's more of those than what you would think. So for me, That's upside down. I think that the tiger should be more expensive.

00:25:00.06
Adz
Oh.

00:25:01.61
Russell Gibson
I think people who've paid that much into a white sparkle are going to come upside down on that.

00:25:06.77
Adz
See, the white sparkles the color match though.

00:25:11.79
Russell Gibson
Maybe that's what it is. It does look pretty delicious, doesn't it?

00:25:15.77
Adz
It's like that because it's, because spurs are like gray, white, black, like it's, it's the color match.

00:25:19.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you're right.

00:25:22.36
Adz
And it looks, it looks pretty, it looks pretty dope. I don't know.

00:25:24.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:25.16
Adz
Like it's 12 cards. um or six cards in in consideration of the Tiger Stripe versus 4,000 or 3,000 pop counts.

00:25:35.08
Russell Gibson
ah So I'm saying that lower pop and cheaper for the tiger.

00:25:35.73
Adz
like you you ma You've hit the nail on the head, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:37.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:39.00
Adz
You've hit the nail on the head, for sure.

00:25:40.11
Russell Gibson
Look, if I i want to get me some wenby, what would I be buying? Just looking at that, those five cards to choose from in my price bracket. And also in terms of population, I'll just go for the orange.

00:25:49.32
Adz
What about a base?

00:25:51.74
Russell Gibson
I think that's a very, I think that's a very stable purchase.

00:25:52.75
Adz
That's almost at 25,000.

00:25:57.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:57.47
Russell Gibson
I think that even if the population on that goes up, I think it's going to be okay.

00:26:02.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:03.16
Russell Gibson
Honestly.

00:26:06.48
Adz
Yeah. So you're, you're, you're, you're, you'd be on the orange, would you?

00:26:10.21
Russell Gibson
just from what we can choose from here and, and pricing.

00:26:12.10
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:13.47
Russell Gibson
I just think there's too many of the silvers at like 4,000 is like, we're moving into Jordan esque numbers here in terms of rookie cards.

00:26:20.12
Adz
Hmm. It's true. But the hype is very real.

00:26:22.01
Russell Gibson
And unless he is the next, but unless he's the next coming of Jordan, and I don't see any way that that goes anything but down.

00:26:23.58
Adz
The hype is very real.

00:26:27.68
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:29.50
Russell Gibson
Like, why does it go up? You know, sort of tell me that. And then, you know, I'll jump on board. Like I love Wembley. This is not me like, you know, peeing on his parade.

00:26:35.48
Adz
Hating on Wembley, it's the, well it's me, it's the same argument, yeah, same same argument I make about the Luke at pop counts, right?

00:26:36.99
Russell Gibson
Absolutely not. Congratulations, Wembley.

00:26:42.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:43.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:45.07
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, Caitlin Clark was invited to the three point shootout keeping in the All-Star theme. Allegedly, she's disinclined to participate. due to the way you have to pick up the balls from the rack and shoot the shots.

00:26:58.49
Russell Gibson
And so this is actually not a complaint that's only from Caitlin Clark. So it's really hard from shooters to get the ball from there because normally they're getting the ball from the middle, not from sort of like down low and to the side.

00:27:09.46
Russell Gibson
So it's something they actually need to get accustomed to and get used to.

00:27:09.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:12.80
Adz
Mmm.

00:27:14.04
Russell Gibson
From my perspective, I'm actually a little bit shattered because

00:27:18.44
Adz
It'd be so good to see.

00:27:19.76
Russell Gibson
To see Caitlin Clark shoot against Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, Kyle Anthony-Townes, that would be insane.

00:27:26.36
Adz
Yep.

00:27:26.54
Russell Gibson
And I'd also like to take this time to point out to people that Caitlin Clark's average shooting distance from the ring is actually a step further back than Steph Curry's.

00:27:36.61
Adz
That's so crazy, isn't it?

00:27:37.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think she would do really well on a shootout, to be honest. So I hope that she doesn't have a sulk about this and, you know, comes back and actually does something really cool.

00:27:42.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:49.82
Adz
Find a way to get it done.

00:27:51.57
Russell Gibson
All right, let's do a couple of mailbag and then we'll go to another break just to sort of get this show back on track.

00:27:56.79
Adz
Let's do it.

00:27:58.13
Russell Gibson
Who do you view as a top three potential for the Rookie of the Year for 2025? That is from Paul Stahl.

00:28:07.33
Adz
i Do you want so who do I have as a as the top three or I Reckon I've got well, I reckon the Stefan castle from the Spurs um I like Dalton connect because I'm a Lakers fan and um

00:28:13.42
Russell Gibson
Look, if you can tell me three, that's great. If you give me one, i I'll accept that too, because this year's Rookie class has been pretty bad.

00:28:27.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:31.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:35.35
Adz
Yeah, you're right. He's the young fella that was in Philly, but he got injured, didn't he?

00:28:38.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's out for the season. Yeah.

00:28:40.09
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:28:44.05
Adz
So... Yeah, the guy... Oh, who's the one that's in Memphis?

00:28:49.49
Russell Gibson
Zack Edie.

00:28:49.75
Adz
He was going all right. Yep, yep.

00:28:51.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay. So. You've already said Stefan Castle. I think that's totally fine. The other one that people have been talking about is Jalen Wells. Look, I'm not super high on this kid.

00:28:59.57
Adz
Okay.

00:29:00.94
Russell Gibson
I think that that Grizzlies team is stacked and at some point someone else is going to come into the rotation and just push him out. That's sort of my feeling on that. I don't think he's going to be a lock for Rookie of the Year.

00:29:09.63
Adz
Mmm. Yep.

00:29:13.12
Russell Gibson
Look, I personally love Yves Messi, that one who I would like to see get rookie of the year, that would be my perfect personal preference, but my deep down belief is going to be Alex Tsar. He started off the year really badly, but actually you can see the improvement there. And I also think too that numbers aren't everything for the rookie of the year race like they sort of do tend to look at numbers spread across the board a little bit better and I think that will benefit Saab because he gets blocks he gets steals he gets a little bit of assists he actually like a little bit of doing everything and I also think too if the Wizards are clever they'll do this like deep dive

00:29:48.74
Russell Gibson
um analytical thing into his defensive prowess, publish that to the league, spend a whole bunch of money getting that out on socials and sort of bump him up. I kind of hope the Wizards do that for this kid just to, you know, have some type of bright spot.

00:30:00.84
Russell Gibson
And the other one too is Zach Edie. Like if I was going to pick someone from the Grizzlies who was in this sort of, you know, um rookie competition.

00:30:03.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:06.48
Adz
Mm.

00:30:08.57
Russell Gibson
I actually, I love Edie more than I love Jalen Wells actually.

00:30:12.46
Adz
I'll execute it. Yeah.

00:30:13.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think he's a beast and he is going to be giving people problems for a very long time.

00:30:13.78
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:30:20.52
Russell Gibson
I think he's what like what an absolute killer draft pick for the Grizzlies, honestly.

00:30:20.77
Adz
Fair.

00:30:25.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:25.30
Russell Gibson
I love it a lot. um Mailbag number two, pick up goals for the year, Adam. This is actually a really fun one.

00:30:33.44
Adz
pick up goals for the year.

00:30:34.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:35.83
Adz
um

00:30:38.62
Adz
Yeah, that is ah that's a good one. I think I wanna add something big in the way of Steph Curry this year.

00:30:45.16
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:30:46.84
Adz
For me, that's my, yeah.

00:30:47.80
Russell Gibson
Cool.

00:30:49.01
Adz
And to to just keep working on my um my other little PC ventures, but yeah.

00:30:51.66
Russell Gibson
Yep. ah For me, this is easy, honestly. but So thank you very much. It's a really good question. So last year, I spoke about doing the 75 years of the m NBA set.

00:31:06.16
Adz
Yep,

00:31:06.54
Russell Gibson
I finished that maybe one or two weeks ago, which I'm really happy about. So I'm going to give my set chases a bit of a rest for a bit. And last year, I still haven't got my big thing from last year was a Nicola yo kick.

00:31:18.28
Russell Gibson
So I definitely want to get a Nicola yo kick. And I think for this year, it's going to be a kaboom. I'd like to get a really tasty kaboom.

00:31:25.22
Adz
Nice, nice.

00:31:26.01
Russell Gibson
In lieu of that, a Darren Fox case hit maybe the micro mosaic.

00:31:31.44
Adz
Yep.

00:31:31.73
Russell Gibson
I'm hoping the prices on that will come down a little bit this year. um

00:31:38.69
Russell Gibson
Maybe like a spot like signatures, something like that. Just something really nice just to put into the PC and put it away.

00:31:42.48
Adz
Hmm.

00:31:44.42
Russell Gibson
So that will be my three that I definitely enjoy to look at. Thanks for that great question, Brad. That was a really cool one. Scotty James, what is your grail card or cards? Is there a card in your collection that still wows you every time you pull it out of storage?

00:32:00.60
Adz
I've got a couple of Cobies.

00:32:02.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:04.45
Adz
Oh yeah, the two Cobies. I've got the number, 10 National Treasures. ah the Manufactured Logo Man patch with the auto on it, which ah which I really love.

00:32:16.86
Adz
But the um the one that really gets me is the closing like is it closing statements from Grand Reserve, Kobe Bryant, because that I was at that game. So that's always ah yeah thats that's sort of one of my so nearest and dearest cards to me.

00:32:27.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:32.79
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:32:36.13
Russell Gibson
Hmm. I've got some timeless moments that

00:32:43.21
Russell Gibson
I'm not even going to call them good purchases, but I really am glad that I've got them in my collection.

00:32:48.35
Adz
Mmm Yeah Yeah,

00:32:48.99
Russell Gibson
Like I think timeless moments actually overvalued and I do worry about paying some of the prices that you see for them going like at the moment. I sort of wonder how they're going to hold up their value going to the future. But when you get them in hand and it's somebody that you like, like I've got a Bob Coosie timeless moments.

00:33:02.83
Adz
yeah, I feel that I feel that

00:33:04.54
Russell Gibson
It's just an amazing card. So I think that's what I'm going to say on that.

00:33:08.08
Adz
yeah yeah i feel that i feel that

00:33:10.39
Russell Gibson
Just, yeah.

00:33:13.59
Russell Gibson
Anthony mill, Anthony, thank you so much for all of your contributions, mate. It's just amazing.

00:33:18.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:18.85
Russell Gibson
Do you reckon Adam silver is good for the and NBA making moves for the future of the league or just for the money?

00:33:26.76
Adz
I think Adam Silver really cares about the the ah the future of the league for sure.

00:33:31.31
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:33:32.16
Adz
I don't think it's just about um sort of how profitable the league will be and stuff. I think it's, yeah, I think there's some genuine care about the the growth and the,

00:33:41.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:45.27
Adz
impact the league has worldwide and its global reach.

00:33:47.31
Russell Gibson
Hmm. Yeah.

00:33:48.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:49.47
Russell Gibson
So I think Adam Silver is a very contrasting manager as compared to David Stern. I think that's the first thing you have to say because the word on the street was that Stern just dictated and Adam Silver is more of a communicator and a listener and I think some of the criticism that he gets is around he listens too much and he tries to cater to people too much but actually I don't agree with that.

00:34:06.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:13.40
Russell Gibson
I think he makes decisions for everybody you know he sort of does it that way.

00:34:18.23
Adz
Yep.

00:34:18.81
Russell Gibson
The really interesting one for me is the gambling one because The best contrast on this is you look at the Premier League jerseys and all of them are sponsored by gambling agencies or online gambling websites, right?

00:34:31.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:32.12
Russell Gibson
The and NBA can't do that because they've got their own gambling league or their own gambling platform.

00:34:36.89
Adz
Ah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

00:34:38.53
Russell Gibson
right

00:34:39.15
Adz
That makes sense.

00:34:39.37
Russell Gibson
so then and This is almost like the running joke with the NBA jerseys. Who are all these companies who are on the NBA jerseys? You've never heard of these companies before. like you know Who are they? and so I think that's one of the things that maybe he dropped the ball on.

00:34:53.09
Russell Gibson
Yes, he's got his own gambling platform and and they get a percentage out of every bet that goes online and all that type of stuff, but they also lose all that revenue money coming in.

00:34:56.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:01.76
Russell Gibson
so Is that actually, I'll be really interested to see the bottom line on that. Did that make the money or cost the money by doing that?

00:35:07.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:09.69
Adz
Or did it did it redistribute the money better that Jersey sponsorship? do You know what I mean?

00:35:13.23
Russell Gibson
That's right.

00:35:13.57
Adz
Does it go back to the club?

00:35:13.67
Russell Gibson
Exactly. Yeah. What's better for the league?

00:35:15.13
Adz
Does it go back to the organization?

00:35:15.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, exactly.

00:35:17.05
Adz
And that might, but that might be good for the smaller franchises.

00:35:20.44
Russell Gibson
Maybe it's better to be centralized than it gets distributed out to the league.

00:35:22.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:23.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:35:23.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:23.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think, you know, and and talking about that too, I think gambling is a big thing for the league they have to manage and whether he just caught a bad egg with this one or he's made it worse because he's actually said, oh yeah, we can gamble now.

00:35:32.02
Adz
Mmm.

00:35:39.39
Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure about that because we had that Dante Jones scene that's come up and then the other one that says come up too is the the guy from the Miami Heat, Terry Rozier.

00:35:39.44
Adz
Yep.

00:35:47.08
Russell Gibson
So allegedly, he took himself out of a game when there was huge money for him to go on unders, right?

00:35:47.11
Adz
Okay.

00:35:50.02
Adz
Yep.

00:35:52.91
Russell Gibson
So I am definitely keeping an eye on that. I don't think we talk about that anymore, that until the story comes out and is done. Because otherwise, we're just, you know, just projecting and just trying to guess at what's going on.

00:36:03.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:36:04.13
Russell Gibson
but But look, I think he's really good for the league. I think he's trying new things.

00:36:07.82
Adz
Yeah, I've i've enjoyed it.

00:36:08.50
Russell Gibson
You know, they've got the in-season competition. He's talking now about um reducing down the quarters to 10 minute quarters to, you know, come in line with fever and make the games shorter and quicker. I would not like to see that I prefer them to to make the actual games shorter. So what I mean by that is, is reducing down the time between, you know, the time it's making sure there's not 15 minutes.

00:36:31.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:32.07
Russell Gibson
of real time elapsing for two minutes in of the fourth quarter. That's the type of stuff I like to see. But in the aggregate, I think he's a gun. The last question is from Eddie Ferguson. But actually, we've already answered that. How do you think Luke will go in LA? If you would like to hear the answer to that, listen to our emergency podcast, Episode 182. And you'll hear all of that. Adam, let's go to a break.

00:36:51.92
Adz
Let's do it.

00:36:54.12
Russell Gibson
Fastbreaktradingcards.com. Thank you so much John and Alvero for all of your support. Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com. Right, this week we're going to look for some 2122 product on the website. So go to fastbreaktradingcards dot.com. Click on sports trading cards and basketball and let's scroll through and see what we can pick up here. Here we go.

00:37:15.65
Russell Gibson
Donrass Optic Basketball Retail Box for 180. 2122 Optic Blaster for 65. Wheel Froffing over 2122 product um on last week's podcast.

00:37:28.16
Russell Gibson
So I thought that'd be a really good opportunity for us to go through and try and pick up some product off their page for that.

00:37:33.80
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:37:34.13
Russell Gibson
What else have they got for 2122? That actually might be it.

00:37:39.18
Adz
Well, they got it.

00:37:40.15
Russell Gibson
Here we go. Hoops Packs.

00:37:42.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:42.71
Russell Gibson
$8 for a hobby pack. and $7 for a retail pack. Look, if I was choosing between that, I'll definitely go $8 for a hobby.

00:37:50.32
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:50.48
Russell Gibson
Here we go, $440 for Prism Fastbreak.

00:37:55.06
Adz
Nice.

00:37:55.84
Russell Gibson
That's not a bad little purchase. And then also too, they've got 2122 Prism Basketball Mega Boxes. I have to admit, I'm a fan of that for $140.

00:38:02.87
Adz
megaboxes ah yeah yeah yeah the megaboxes are awesome

00:38:04.94
Russell Gibson
That's not bad at all. Alrighty, guys.

00:38:11.00
Russell Gibson
Check them out, 75 Chulip Street in Cheltenham. Hours 12 to 6 on Friday, Saturday 9 to Sunday 10 to 4. Thank you so much. Fast break trading cards. Alrighty, let's get to some quick news and then we are going to do some Adams cards.

00:38:32.48
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, bad news here. Jalen Johnson, who is one of my honeys of this season, is unfortunately out for the year.

00:38:42.02
Adz
Mmm, that's a happy new story.

00:38:44.32
Russell Gibson
That is not happy news story at all. And actually, I think I've got the links wrong on this. Don't worry. They're just back to front. It's all good. He's averaging 19 points and 10 rebounds and five assists this year, which is like sweet numbers.

00:38:55.76
Russell Gibson
Look, I really love this kid. I think it's going to be awesome. Anyway, hopefully he's better soon. Shoulder surgery. He is undergoing as we speak. Then we've got here for the Pelican.

00:39:06.40
Russell Gibson
So just another injury for these guys to John Tamari season ending torn Achilles, which is really a three year or two year injury for that type of thing.

00:39:14.29
Adz
It's going to be a long, long recovery.

00:39:17.11
Russell Gibson
I think for the pelicans that's really bad too in terms of trying to trade and break up the team and move him on so essentially they're gonna be paying his contract out with not much going on there so that sucks for everyone involved there.

00:39:17.66
Adz
up poor

00:39:22.37
Adz
That's not good at all.

00:39:27.66
Russell Gibson
Best wishes to you sir.

00:39:45.74
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately, we've skipped Adam's cards the last couple of weeks. So Adam, you've got a little bit of catching up to do this. Now three Cobies in the run sheet for you to go through.

00:39:52.00
Adz
I was gonna say there's there's Kobe's everywhere in the run sheet. So um it it it's that time of the year, right?

00:39:56.78
Russell Gibson
Look, if Cobies are on, it's Adam's cards.

00:40:01.22
Adz
So like around, well, a week or so ago, it was the 19th anniversary this year of the 81 point game.

00:40:10.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:40:11.81
Adz
So yeah, next year will be a ah big anniversary for that. Seems like players seem to put up big performances surrounding that date, which is interesting.

00:40:20.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:20.92
Adz
um So, all right, let's...

00:40:24.71
Russell Gibson
I'm just going to sit back and be entertained here.

00:40:26.13
Adz
Oh, good.

00:40:26.35
Russell Gibson
So guys, if you're listening at home, click on the links in the description. You'll get to see all these cards.

00:40:30.73
Adz
um I've clicked on them in different orders, ah so I don't know if I've done one, two, or three. But the first one I'm gonna talk about is... Oh, that's the one that I sent. The 96, 97 Bowman's Best Atomic Refractor.

00:40:49.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:50.31
Adz
that last sold BGS 10 for $28,800.

00:40:57.21
Adz
I think that's a, ah yeah, that's actually a pretty good price for a...

00:41:03.30
Russell Gibson
0.5 off a black label on that one too which is an absolute shame.

00:41:06.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah, could you imagine that being a black label?

00:41:09.58
Russell Gibson
That'd be like 100k at least.

00:41:10.89
Adz
Yeah, at least. um Yeah, wow, I like that. I've got ah i've got a refractor in my in my PC. And it's a pretty, it's a beautiful card.

00:41:21.25
Adz
So the Atomic Refractor is a yeah ah work of art, I would say, definitely.

00:41:27.27
Russell Gibson
So I was actually going to say that for people at home, if you don't have an atomic refractor in your PC, just go into eBay and pick up a cheap one for a couple of bucks and just get one in hand.

00:41:37.11
Adz
They are, yeah.

00:41:37.19
Russell Gibson
Um, they're excellent. Yep.

00:41:39.99
Adz
ah The next one I will talk about is the Thunder and Lightning 1997 Skybox Premium, population 9, PSA 10, last sold for $19,200.

00:41:49.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:58.98
Adz
this This card has been sneaky exploding over the last few years.

00:42:03.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:05.45
Adz
um Can you imagine there was a time back in the early, so I don't know, 2012?

00:42:09.59
Russell Gibson
2012. Yeah.

00:42:11.92
Adz
Yeah, 2012, 2013, when you could pick this card up for less than 200 bucks. That's nuts.

00:42:17.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:18.17
Adz
In fact, in 2016, you could pick this up for $80.

00:42:26.13
Adz
Yeah, I would have one of those.

00:42:27.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it.

00:42:27.80
Adz
um And look, lucky lasts, yep.

00:42:29.51
Russell Gibson
We need. We need a DeLorean to go back, right?

00:42:33.80
Adz
to to get all these cards. And the last one is a very chunky um eye-catching sale. That patch there is is is beautiful. This is from 2011 Panini Preferred. It's a Silhouette Prime number to 10, BGS 9 Auto 10 patch autograph. That is, that's not cut off a purple roll, that patch.

00:43:04.22
Adz
That's a legit jersey right there.

00:43:06.34
Russell Gibson
I bet you it's game one too.

00:43:07.70
Adz
luck Yeah, and last sold for $87,000. So yeah, I would but like a few of those.

00:43:13.78
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so my commentary on this is that I don't generally consider Crown to be a premium patch. So I really like to see Crown getting some love because actually over the years they've put out some really nice cards.

00:43:23.50
Adz
Yes. Mm.

00:43:29.40
Russell Gibson
Another way you could look at this and say, actually you can get really nice cards out of Crown for maybe unders of what the market might elsewhere be going for, you know, compared to Noir, compared to NT, iMac.

00:43:38.08
Adz
Very true. and Yeah.

00:43:42.20
Russell Gibson
So that for me is, I feel like that's a little footnote for me. It's like, actually that's really good for Crown and, you know, giving that a little bit of love.

00:43:49.84
Adz
Very much so.

00:43:50.12
Russell Gibson
The other thing to me is

00:43:50.52
Adz
it's ah's ah it's ah it's but It's a well laid out card.

00:43:53.56
Russell Gibson
It's beautiful.

00:43:54.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:55.55
Russell Gibson
The other thing too, is so we're just talking about what, $20,000 cards.

00:43:58.39
Adz
Yep.

00:44:00.22
Russell Gibson
And where I feel a bit conflicted on this is, yes, I know this is what, nearly four or five times more expensive than those other cards, but I still feel like you're getting a lot more bang for your buck out of this card compared to those other ones.

00:44:12.55
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true, true, true.

00:44:13.59
Russell Gibson
And I could be wrong about this in terms of, you know, the return on investment. And look, that's a, that's an insane purchase, like 87K for that.

00:44:18.55
Adz
Oh look, the atomic refractor I think he's under personally, cause that's, that card's a, that's a rookie card. That's a Bowman's rookie. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, I don't know.

00:44:27.53
Russell Gibson
Okay. No, that's fine. Look, I could, I'm not the Kobe connoisseur here, but I just feel like you're getting a lot more for your money for this crown than what you're getting for those other two.

00:44:29.55
Adz
If that was PSA 10, the patch, yeah, true, true, true.

00:44:37.80
Russell Gibson
I think particularly with the auto on that, you know, ah I don't want to, I'm not making jokes about this.

00:44:40.66
Adz
That's it.

00:44:42.08
Russell Gibson
Like there's no more Kobe autos coming. You know, I think I was actually thinking about this offline, just, this is the stupid stuff I think about as I'm walking down the street.

00:44:44.36
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:44:50.85
Russell Gibson
I actually wonder long-term in the hobby, is there anything safer at the moment than buying a Kobe auto?

00:44:58.86
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:44:59.66
Russell Gibson
Like if you're getting a Kobe auto for say one, two, two and a quarter AUD, we're talking thousands.

00:45:06.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:09.20
Russell Gibson
I just think you've just hit a home run, honestly.

00:45:12.09
Adz
Yeah, you're right. And they, they, they, they're not making it anymore.

00:45:14.12
Russell Gibson
And I'm talking a long-term sale here. I'm not talking a quick, like, you know, rip and flip.

00:45:16.33
Adz
Yeah. Quit riffing flip.

00:45:18.29
Russell Gibson
if I'm talking, put it into the vault and pull it out in 20 years.

00:45:19.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:21.98
Russell Gibson
I just honestly, I don't think you can just beat Kobe autos at the moment.

00:45:22.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:26.21
Adz
yeah No, definitely. And yeah, it's, it's, I guess it's, it's now five, it was five years on from his passing last week as well. So, so it's been a, it's always the 81 point game and then the the anniversary.

00:45:35.62
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:45:41.55
Adz
Um, of Coby's passing. So there's been a big, a big couple of Coby weeks here in the background and some.

00:45:44.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:47.50
Adz
Yeah. But next year will be the 20th anniversary that 81 point game, which I think will probably warrant some, uh, attention.

00:45:57.78
Russell Gibson
Anytime you want to talk Kobe Baint, I'm happy to do that with you. It's no troubles at all. Alrighty, we have absolutely run over and run out of time.

00:46:07.91
Russell Gibson
So what we're going to do is we're going to do two quick news items, then we're going to have a break.

00:46:12.36
Adz
Yep.

00:46:12.47
Russell Gibson
Then we're going to come back and we'll finish off with a BGS versus PSA conversation, which I've been trying to get going on socials and it finally kicked off.

00:46:21.09
Adz
Nice. yeah did Did you make up stuff and put it on sports cards and nonsense and talk about the time that that BGS pretended to be PSA or something?

00:46:32.28
Russell Gibson
No, I did. I did not.

00:46:33.52
Adz
Masquerading. You should have done it that way. It would have got a reaction.

00:46:36.97
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, trade alert. The Phoenix Suns and the Utah Jazz traded. So Phoenix has traded to the Jazz. They're 20-31 unprotected first round pick. No protections on that at all. In return, Phoenix gets a 20-25 first round swap.

00:46:56.75
Russell Gibson
a 2027 first round swap and a 2029 first round swap. So the way I interpret this is that Danny Ainge is very secure in his job and he's looking towards the future.

00:47:07.72
Adz
Yep.

00:47:08.01
Russell Gibson
I think that the Phoenix Suns in six years time will have completely gotten rid of this team and rebuilt again. So he's banking on them being pretty bad.

00:47:18.21
Adz
yep Yep.

00:47:18.98
Russell Gibson
I interpret this for the Phoenix Suns that they're gathering assets to try and make another trade for this year, just to try and do something to get something out of Booker and KD.

00:47:24.44
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:27.51
Russell Gibson
That's how I interpret this.

00:47:28.80
Adz
I think Danny, I think Phoenix have fallen for a Danny Ange special. I don't know.

00:47:32.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're going to absolutely get their pen.

00:47:32.16
Adz
I just, yep.

00:47:33.92
Russell Gibson
this is the This is the Jason Tatum trade all over the game with the Philadelphia 76ers where Boston got Jason Tatum from Philadelphia, honestly.

00:47:41.27
Adz
Yep.

00:47:44.22
Russell Gibson
so I think you have to be very careful dealing with Danny Ainge.

00:47:45.59
Adz
True.

00:47:48.23
Adz
Yep.

00:47:49.00
Russell Gibson
With his track record, you'd have to be almost like...

00:47:50.20
Adz
There's probably already, like with the Luca trade, it's not like they called Utah and were like, Luca's on the block. Do you want to get a deal done?

00:47:57.83
Russell Gibson
I kind of feel like before you accept the trade from him, you almost have to say, look, I'm going to talk to my mum and call you back and just make sure I'm not getting tricked here. You know what I mean? It's almost like you're a little kid again where you you can't really think for yourself or something like that.

00:48:06.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Yep.

00:48:09.96
Russell Gibson
All right. ah The other thing I really quickly put in here too is Jimmy Buckets. This is an old story, but he's been suspended indefinitely now.

00:48:18.34
Adz
He's indefinite, isn't it? Like he's just...

00:48:19.49
Russell Gibson
So of all the people who I thought were going to be traded the issue, it was going to be Jimmy Butler, number one. But look, we were talking about this before, you know, we went through all the players. Who would you trade Luca for? Jimmy Butler wasn't even in that conversation. And he's asking for 50 million a year. He has to be traded for one of those top 20 players at least. Right. I don't see how this is going to play out in a good way.

00:48:43.66
Adz
I just, I don't know, Jimmy just needs to, he needs to go.

00:48:47.24
Russell Gibson
Where's Jimmy going to be traded to? a

00:48:50.90
Adz
I think Phoenix is the destination.

00:48:53.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that would be actually juicy.

00:48:56.98
Adz
I think it's a Phoenix, but maybe,

00:48:59.04
Russell Gibson
Maybe he'll be traded for three swaps.

00:49:04.89
Adz
maybe it'll be an interesting trade, that's for sure, yeah.

00:49:05.64
Russell Gibson
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00:49:54.21
Russell Gibson
All righty, Adam, we're back. Are you ready for the final stretch?

00:49:56.20
Adz
We are. I am very ready for the final stretch.

00:49:59.82
Russell Gibson
primed Primed.

00:50:01.95
Adz
Primed and rearing to go.

00:50:03.45
Russell Gibson
All right, great. BGS versus PSA. Who do you prefer? I think I'll start with you, Ed. Who's king?

00:50:11.67
Adz
All who's king PSA?

00:50:12.65
Russell Gibson
PSA or BGS?

00:50:13.66
Adz
PSA is king. However, I like this the the BGS slabs. There, I said it. um and ah i'm i'm I've been in the hobby long enough to see BGS when they were at their at their peak of their powers, and they're the the slabs that I...

00:50:31.27
Adz
I don't know, they look like a better quality slab to me.

00:50:34.44
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:50:36.31
Adz
And I like the the gold and the label, you know what I mean? like It's i don't a level of prestige to get that gold, that 9.5 or above.

00:50:44.61
Russell Gibson
So you like the slab aesthetics better in BGS, but you think PSA is king. Why do you think they're king? Like let's sort of break this down a little bit more.

00:50:52.71
Adz
um they ah Since we came out of the the the grading the great grading pause of the pandemic, um yeah I think BGS has been chugging along and just doing the same old same old and PSA has been making moves and monopolizing this industry.

00:50:58.39
Russell Gibson
Pandemic.

00:51:02.00
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:51:17.04
Adz
and look, they wanna grow, they wanna be profitable, and they've done exactly what they need to do to become the best at what they do. um Where I've concerns at times about it um with regards to to every time there's been an integrity concern about PSA, it's been brushed aside very quickly because everybody has so much faith in the brand.

00:51:41.13
Adz
So you can see what they' they they're the king.

00:51:41.25
Russell Gibson
what in

00:51:43.92
Russell Gibson
What intent integrity concerns are you referring to there?

00:51:46.63
Adz
Quality checks, yeah any any problems with quality that just slip through?

00:51:51.28
Russell Gibson
The inconsistency of grading.

00:51:51.41
Adz
Everything, yeah, yeah.

00:51:52.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:51:53.74
Adz
like if If it was a smaller grader, and and this isn't to throw a shade at PSA, but if it was a smaller grader, we'd be tearing them apart and we wouldn't trust them ever again.

00:52:03.04
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:52:03.16
Adz
When it's PSA, they're like, oh, well, they grade too many cards. There's bound to be one that's stuffed, but there's always one. like it's yeah there's There's a lot of little,

00:52:14.95
Adz
problems with their their quality control.

00:52:17.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:19.08
Adz
um But yeah, they're they're dominant. they They do the most. um Yeah, they've been, and they've they've grabbed the the the proverbial bull by the horns, I guess, in the last five years. And and that's been um very prominent in the in the game where you look at the numbers from generate every month. Like there is no, it's not even close.

00:52:44.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:48.88
Russell Gibson
So my feeling is that I'm actually very similar to you with your thoughts. I agree with you that the BGS slabs, initially I found them a lot more aesthetically pleasing, but my preferences actually now leaned over to PSA. Actually, I quite liked them.

00:53:03.73
Adz
Mm.

00:53:06.21
Russell Gibson
Even though I do like the PSA slab because it's a little bit thinner than the BGS one, I actually wonder if, in terms of card security, you're better off having a chunkier slab than it's harder for people to get them out.

00:53:09.49
Adz
Yep.

00:53:17.91
Russell Gibson
But I don't have anything scientifically to support that. It's just sort of like a gut feeling I have. All that aside, I think PSA have now put a lot more technology into the anti-cracking of slabs because it has been a problem for them at times.

00:53:32.80
Adz
yeah

00:53:32.84
Russell Gibson
As far as I know that, that's all been sorted out. so

00:53:35.84
Adz
Why is cracking a slab of problem?

00:53:39.03
Russell Gibson
So what people can do is they open it up. So just say you get a PSA 10, you take out the good card and you can either, yeah, and seal it back up again.

00:53:42.91
Adz
I put a shit card in. Okay.

00:53:49.25
Russell Gibson
So there's some, oh no, that's a separate thing altogether.

00:53:49.41
Adz
That's all right. I mean, I mean, cracking it to regrade it. I'm like, what's wrong with that?

00:53:54.80
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

00:53:55.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That's, I should have, I should have been more specific about that.

00:53:56.55
Adz
Okay. No, I, I, yeah, that's, that's malpractice.

00:53:59.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:00.18
Adz
Yeah. No, no, no.

00:54:00.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:00.64
Adz
I understand what you mean now with the cracking.

00:54:01.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:02.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:02.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:02.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:05.18
Russell Gibson
So I think if we're also being capturing the whole picture here, it was really head scratching for me why PSA pulled so far ahead in terms of getting cards graded, getting them back to people and also just keeping up with trends and innovation that's in the hobby.

00:54:14.73
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:22.63
Russell Gibson
But now that we did that breakdown on BGSC CEO a couple of weeks ago when he was

00:54:28.27
Adz
hu Yeah, you're

00:54:28.85
Russell Gibson
being prosecuted for fraud and insurance money laundering, blah, blah, blah. It all kind of actually makes sense to me where if you've got a group of people who are actually driving a company forward and making sure everything's running properly.

00:54:43.01
Adz
right.

00:54:43.86
Russell Gibson
PSA have definitely grown a lot and they've, they they definitely slowed down with a huge increase, but BGS actually shut down altogether. And that's in my head, that was their death knock because all of the good cards just came out in PSA.

00:54:51.98
Adz
They did.

00:54:56.64
Russell Gibson
So if you're looking at nice cards on eBay, on Goldens, whatever, they're all in PSA slabs.

00:54:59.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:01.17
Russell Gibson
And so I think that's where BGS really like, you know, did themselves an absolute disservice. And so plus their COs being a bit dirty, PSA then grew there.

00:55:13.97
Russell Gibson
capacity. Really interesting at the moment though, not only have they put up their prices, their return time is like really slow and again now, like almost back to sort of pandemic times. So interesting times at the moment where BGS have just gone through a sale.

00:55:29.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:30.02
Russell Gibson
reading through the comments that we've got here, it's actually really interesting to me of why people like BGS. And at the end of the day, it comes down to brand loyalty. So I think that if BGS sort of get their act back together, I think there is going to be a bit of support for them.

00:55:39.30
Adz
Is it really?

00:55:44.58
Russell Gibson
And also to think about how much money has been put into BGS cards, like we're talking

00:55:49.18
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

00:55:50.04
Russell Gibson
millions and millions of dollars. like Because there was that time when BGS was king and you know all the good cards instead of going to PSA were going to BGS. So I think we do have to remember that. But my sort of counterclaim to that is, hang on a second, guys, the next wave of collectors are going to have that brand loyalty to PSA.

00:55:58.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:04.72
Adz
PC.

00:56:06.40
Russell Gibson
They've got no brand loyalty to BGS at all. All they know is that if you put your cards into a BGS slab, it's going to reduce your return on investment by 50% or something like that.

00:56:10.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:15.53
Russell Gibson
And so I think that's something that we can't not mention too. You know, we were talking earlier about backyard breaks and money talks and how it leads away. Well, I actually think at the end of the day, that's the really simple way to explain this, the return that you get on a PSA 10 is just better than what you get on a BGS 9 and 9.5. And even in some instances, what you get back on a BGS 10.

00:56:39.00
Adz
Yeah. Well, the other, the other bit about trust there as well, but like the loyalty and all the different factors, one, one key thing for me, and it has swayed me with regards to, and I think a lot of people within, in the space of PSA, especially everything we have experienced these last five years, um, the PSA guarantee like that.

00:56:46.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:59.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:05.10
Adz
That's a very, um, that's ah That's a big stamp of um confidence, that guarantee.

00:57:12.56
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. And it does actually make you wonder why other companies don't do it too.

00:57:14.78
Adz
so

00:57:18.53
Adz
Well, BGS has been broad undone a few times, haven't they, with regards to, and they have it, it's the transparency there.

00:57:19.58
Russell Gibson
That that's how I feel about that. Yeah.

00:57:24.89
Adz
like they They're communicating, they're marketing they're PR people at PSAA definitely, yeah.

00:57:29.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely a lot better. So that this is a perfect time to go to our first listener response. And look, I'm going to say first and foremost, thank you everyone who did comment on all of these posts. It turns out we've got about five or six different posts in the end for a variety of different reasons. Anyway, if we miss your comment, I do apologize to you and thank you for contributing, but we probably won't be able to get to all of these.

00:57:51.80
Russell Gibson
However, Tin Lam, I will still remain a BGS fan. The subgrades are important to me.

00:57:56.44
Adz
Yep.

00:57:57.14
Russell Gibson
PSA is too inconsistent for my liking despite their market dominance. We'll always buy the card and not pay the PSA premium. I think that is very, very well said for the same condition card.

00:58:07.21
Adz
yeah

00:58:08.86
Russell Gibson
People need to stop pumping the whole PSA guarantee narrative. How many people do you know that have utilized the PSA guarantee? So I don't personally know anybody. However, I've read, you know, multiple stories online about that.

00:58:22.05
Russell Gibson
I don't know if it's so much about the guarantee per se, as opposed to what the guarantee means and stands for.

00:58:30.45
Adz
I agree the genuine it's like we're guaranteeing this is a genuine card.

00:58:30.99
Russell Gibson
And I think for me, correct.

00:58:34.63
Adz
And if it if it's not, you're going to get.

00:58:36.73
Russell Gibson
We'll take care of you. And I think that's the other thing too.

00:58:37.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:38.98
Russell Gibson
It's kind of like BGS won't guarantee their work. I think that's where I sort of lie with all of this.

00:58:46.55
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:58:52.31
Russell Gibson
Tin goes on to talk about the guarantee and actually what it's worth, and he talks about the money that PSA would be making of this. Absolutely. I'm sure they build something into their premiums to cover this insurance fee.

00:59:03.73
Adz
Of course.

00:59:04.47
Russell Gibson
Do insurance companies make money? Yeah, most insurance companies do, and there's a lot of money in insurance. like Let's keep it real. Yes, I think what you're saying is correct, Tin.

00:59:11.72
Adz
Spot on.

00:59:12.55
Russell Gibson
ah Andrew Dean replied, it's not just about the guarantee. Card community wants to buy a PSA, so this makes a card into a PSA slab more liquid than a card in any other slab.

00:59:18.09
Adz
Yep.

00:59:20.65
Russell Gibson
100% true on that too. If slabbing for PC purposes, it does not seem like madness to pay PSA prices. Look, I think if you're slabbing for PC purposes, you would do it for the aesthetics of the card.

00:59:32.92
Russell Gibson
unless you're planning to in the future sell your pc which you can also do too by the way so i think now's a good time to move into greg dolliver's comment poo versus poo roar for the wind so obviously greg just likes to put his cards into a beautiful one touch and which by the way

00:59:49.41
Adz
It's good.

00:59:49.60
Russell Gibson
is a perfectly good thing to do.

00:59:50.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:51.90
Russell Gibson
You can now get magnetics that you can put with penny sleeves into them, so you're effectively giving your card just as good protection as you are putting them into a slab.

01:00:00.27
Adz
This is true.

01:00:00.81
Russell Gibson
I am a huge fan of the Kangaroo OneTouches, and there's also different brands now.

01:00:02.47
Adz
This is very true.

01:00:05.59
Russell Gibson
Actually, I could probably shout out our sponsor at the same time.

01:00:06.85
Adz
I was gonna say our sponsor, Melvin Cartel.

01:00:09.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they and the ones that they sell, I can't remember the brand off the top of my head.

01:00:10.43
Adz
Yep.

01:00:13.60
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second, I got one here. GTI it's called. Look, I don't even know what brand they are. I just tried a couple. I really like them. Good product.

01:00:20.57
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:20.93
Russell Gibson
So for $5 a piece or $4.50 or $4, whatever he sells them for plus our 10% discount code.

01:00:21.75
Adz
Yeah,

01:00:27.98
Russell Gibson
Don't forget that. You know, i think I think what Greg is saying is that's legit too. I think we have to actually acknowledge that as ah as a really good answer.

01:00:35.80
Adz
for sure.

01:00:39.57
Russell Gibson
Ados Yuchos, I'm more into the conspiracy of why and how BGS is failing. My answer is PSA despite wait times, clarity behind grades and no perfect card differentiation between 10s. Someone is bringing down p BGS from the inside. They seem unable to move with the times. Trimming card scandals for black labels generate data shows the transition from BGS. Unless you get a black label, PSA is more liquid for selling.

01:01:07.12
Russell Gibson
So I've already replied to this. There's no conspiracy. The CEO is an insurance scammer and money launderer, and I even put in the link for him there. Look, I love a good conspiracy theory, but I'm sorry, Ados. There's nothing there, mate.

01:01:17.49
Russell Gibson
It's just, um, yeah.

01:01:18.37
Adz
it's But it's interesting that what people used to value at be with BGS, because we'll remember BGS working, um the four T grading on your slab, right? You get in BGS 9.5. Think about it, people are just like, we just want the 10. There's no perfect grade, there's no 10 plus, PSA have 10, that's it.

01:01:44.73
Russell Gibson
So I think that they did simplify a process that people did have a bit of trouble to get their heads around.

01:01:49.72
Adz
Mhm.

01:01:49.73
Russell Gibson
And I also think, too, if you are. If we want to just flesh that out a little bit for maybe people that don't understand, what used to happen was if you had a nine point five, you would then look at the subgrades and then from that you would price the card differently.

01:01:56.93
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:05.27
Russell Gibson
Different nine point fives would have different prices. And so I think the whole thing was quite confusing for some collectors and maybe it caused some confusion, um maybe it caused some animosity and anger for some people because they weren't paying the same price for 9.5s as they were for others, right?

01:02:09.31
Adz
Yes.

01:02:21.60
Russell Gibson
So I think

01:02:21.82
Adz
Yep.

01:02:23.64
Russell Gibson
Along comes PSA, there's a 9, there's a 10, that's all folks.

01:02:26.74
Adz
Mm.

01:02:26.89
Russell Gibson
There's none of this sub-grade nonsense. So yes, to take your point, that's what that's all about.

01:02:31.64
Adz
Yep.

01:02:32.69
Russell Gibson
And Mia, hope you're well-made. To be honest, due to the value of PSA 10, Gemmute, I've always graded with them until this recent price hike again. and now the backlog for the first time I've submitted with BGS as I can't cop the price.

01:02:46.10
Russell Gibson
I've charged fees and delays with PSA anymore, not to mention roughly two years ago, a BGS 9.5 gen mint sold more in most cases than a PSA 10.

01:02:46.31
Adz
No.

01:02:54.94
Russell Gibson
So it could flip again if they get it together again. So I think what Amir is banking on there is that PSA is going to get its act together. You're buying low on BGS. Sorry, BGS is going to get their act together and that's fine.

01:03:07.60
Russell Gibson
Look, you know,

01:03:09.44
Adz
I like that. I do. I think it's good to have hope.

01:03:12.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:13.76
Adz
um

01:03:16.45
Adz
Honestly, I hope VGS do. I hope they come back. But PSA, we need healthy competition between both, between the grading companies.

01:03:20.05
Russell Gibson
We definitely need it for the hobby, but yeah, I think.

01:03:26.33
Adz
We need someone else to rise up like to the challenge that PSA, the gauntlet has been laid down.

01:03:28.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:31.91
Russell Gibson
I just think there's such a long way for PSA to drop back and also for BGS. Do you know what I mean? Like this might be a five or a 10 year thing.

01:03:39.72
Adz
Well, it's gotta start with, it's gotta to be in five years. There's gotta to be a plan that BGS up their capacity to grade cards.

01:03:46.61
Russell Gibson
Well, at the moment, i I'd be shocked if they've got any type of capacity problems.

01:03:46.86
Adz
Simple as that.

01:03:53.95
Russell Gibson
Luke Rowe, I think the standard one touch is king hashtag grading for dummies. so And then I'll go into Luke's second one. I'm going to ask the question. I think I know the answer for those that grade with PSA for personal collection or to flip at a higher premium when selling.

01:04:09.09
Adz
That's a good point.

01:04:10.35
Russell Gibson
I think the question is, are you putting your card into PSA to sell or are you doing it to PC? I think you can do both. Because I've just sent some PSA stuff off for my own personal collection.

01:04:20.22
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:26.23
Russell Gibson
Like i' I'll be honest, yeah, I'll sell it if I need to, but at the same time, I've got no intention to sell it at the moment.

01:04:31.15
Adz
Yeah, but BGS just comes, the resale does have a premium on it. It's also got the guarantee in the trust.

01:04:37.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:38.28
Adz
So, I mean, they've ticked the boxes.

01:04:42.20
Russell Gibson
George, GLRS, I hope you're well, sir. Generally for PC, BGS, the slabs look better than with the subgrades, obviously giving you more information on your card. And of course, a BGS 10 is much harder than a PSA 10.

01:04:54.43
Russell Gibson
I think that's out for debate in terms of the grading difficulty, because we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago with Ryan.

01:05:01.49
Adz
We don't know about this upgrades, do we?

01:05:03.53
Russell Gibson
No, but I think you're saying 10 and 10. But what, so my response to that is it's not actually the grading company that dictates that. I'm, I'm genuinely of the belief now that it's the, the type of card that you submit to them.

01:05:14.90
Adz
Sure.

01:05:15.07
Russell Gibson
And we saw that as you're looking through different cards that are submitted to PSA and GEM rate plays all this out.

01:05:17.91
Adz
Sure.

01:05:20.58
Russell Gibson
What are the difficult cards to GEM? What are the easy cards to GEM? It's got nothing to do with the grading company.

01:05:24.51
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:25.49
Russell Gibson
ah So I think that's like one narrative that I'd probably like to maybe push out a little bit more.

01:05:27.34
Adz
Hmm?

01:05:30.47
Russell Gibson
PSA is more for people looking to flip their cards. Their slabs look like they come out of Clint's crazy bargains with the thin plastic slabs with a Hoyt's movie ticket as a certificate. No sub grade. Tens are more important. Not making it more unique and their autograph authentication sector doesn't get me started. Side note, look out for CGC, JSA and as a merging contender for grading cards. So I think what you're talking about there with the joke about the Hoyt's ticket and the Clint's crazy bargains.

01:05:56.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's that's kind of funny. We did touch on that a little bit already there are a bit, you know, maybe people can crack them out.

01:06:02.42
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:02.77
Russell Gibson
um The CGC comment didn't age very well, unfortunately, because there's just been a huge Pokemon grading scandal with that grading company, which we haven't talked about this week, but we should probably talk about that next week or the week after.

01:06:11.82
Adz
but We'll touch on the CJ say stuff.

01:06:14.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:15.57
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

01:06:16.29
Russell Gibson
I think CGC are cooked. Do you want to pick out one more? We've probably got time for one more.

01:06:23.16
Adz
Um, All right, Travis Parker, all hail BGS. Beckett will always have a special place in my heart forever and always.

01:06:30.42
Russell Gibson
Right.

01:06:31.86
Adz
I spent a lot of time in the 90s looking up prices in their magazines um and staring in or at Beckett graded cards at my local card store.

01:06:40.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:41.28
Adz
For these reasons, I trust them more than any other grading company. um I hope collectivist holdings can pump them back up.

01:06:49.39
Russell Gibson
So this is, this is true brand loyalty, where you think back with rose colored glasses and you remember the, you know, the glory days of your youth, right? I think that's what he's saying there.

01:06:58.93
Adz
yeah

01:07:00.92
Russell Gibson
And you know what, if that's how you feel about a product, I got no problem with that. I just think that when you start to sort of look around, you know, the different corners of the hobby and the buying and selling, it's, I think the market has just changed basically.

01:07:18.88
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:19.81
Russell Gibson
Let's actually finish on this one because this is actually touching on what you're talking about in terms of innovation and moving the company forward. This is from Anthony Milled, Beckett moving in Germany. Normally it's the other way around. So this is actually you know breaking news you know relatively in the last, say, week or so.

01:07:33.81
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:35.90
Russell Gibson
Beckett will open its first international grading center in Germany. So really interesting one for me. PSA have chosen to go to Japan and BGS have chosen to go Germany. So why don't we use this?

01:07:46.24
Adz
It's a quality issue, yeah, like it's, it's per, yeah, yeah, good, good.

01:07:49.15
Russell Gibson
Why don't we use this as like a one-to-one sort of you know comp to see you know how this plays out better? I probably think that Japan is the smarter choice than Germany, but that's just me.

01:07:56.96
Adz
Yep, yep, I don't know. They both have their quality um positives.

01:08:02.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:07.10
Adz
I don't know, I think it's a good move. I think i think it's a bold move for Beckett to start looking to expand.

01:08:12.78
Russell Gibson
They're doing something.

01:08:13.65
Adz
yeah

01:08:13.66
Russell Gibson
It's better than sending cards back to people ungraded.

01:08:14.67
Adz
And yeah, that was that was gonna be my thing. I commend them for actually doing something.

01:08:17.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Putting some money back into the company.

01:08:19.71
Adz
um

01:08:20.61
Russell Gibson
So.

01:08:21.30
Adz
yeah they standard it It's not just going to sink and die, which is great.

01:08:25.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:27.68
Adz
And I think that's very good for the hobby.

01:08:29.51
Russell Gibson
Adam, thank you for a great show. Listeners out there. Thank you so much for supporting us. Please go into YouTube. We need four more subscribers that we give and give away a box. Check us out on centralcoastradio.com.

01:08:40.58
Russell Gibson
We'd love to hear you and we'll see you listening to our stream on that. That'll be fantastic. We have music, basketball talk.

01:08:47.81
Adz
bit of everything, yeah.

01:08:48.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:50.32
Adz
No, thanks for another another great show. Hopefully there's no more crazy stuff before the trade deadline, but if there is, we're ready on standby for another emergency podcast.

01:09:00.49
Russell Gibson
I'm definitely gonna need a new and NBA Jam t shirt.

01:09:02.87
Adz
You have to get a ah Lakers one with Luca and LeBron.

01:09:04.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that'll be sick.

01:09:09.81
Adz
Thanks guys, we'll see you all next week.

01:09:11.06
Russell Gibson
Bye bye.