Episode 186: NBA Trade Deadline Special: Every Deadline Deal Broken Down

 Russell and Adam break down every trade from the NBA deadline—who won, who lost, and what it means for the hobby! Plus, which players are now a buy, sell, or hold? Don’t miss this deep dive! 🎙️💰🏀 

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00:00:00.01
Adz
I'll hit our go live button.

00:00:06.59
Adz
We're good.

00:00:17.61
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 186 of the You Cart Comp, this and NBA trading card podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:29.43
Adz
I'd lost track of the episode numbers there for a sec with the amount of emergency pods we were doing last week.

00:00:34.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:35.83
Adz
I'll tell you what.

00:00:36.94
Russell Gibson
And then because we did an extra emergency pod, it changed the order that we recorded it in. So it's all over the place.

00:00:41.81
Adz
It's pretty fun.

00:00:42.26
Russell Gibson
But don't worry this week.

00:00:43.77
Adz
We're back to normal.

00:00:44.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah, people who have extreme OCD, we apologize for what we did to you, but it's going to be okay.

00:00:49.65
Adz
Sorry, not sorry, it's the NBA. it's the The NBA did it, really.

00:00:53.49
Russell Gibson
It's Adam Silver's fault if you wear a tinfoil hat.

00:00:56.37
Adz
That's it, that's it. It's all for the it's all for the greater the the the future of the league. Speaking of the future of the league, shall we kick it off with some WNBA this week?

00:01:04.86
Russell Gibson
Please, you know how much I love WNBA at the moment, so let's go to it. So this story is from at run good life. He is on Twitter. It actually does some really cool stuff. I have no idea what his affiliation is. I probably should deep dive into a little bit further. um Basically, he just called everybody clowns. And the reason he called everyone clowns is because the entire allocation of Prism WNBA first off the line sold out at 2000.

00:01:33.87
Russell Gibson
$200 a box. And for people at home in the land of Oz, that's around $3,500 a box. The exchange rate at the moment is effing horrendous.

00:01:44.10
Russell Gibson
And so I think if you're doing a comp on this, you can say, well, that's actually far more expensive than what WNBA currently is sitting at at the moment.

00:01:44.26
Adz
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Pretty bad.

00:01:55.73
Russell Gibson
And I think, you know, from a practical standpoint, it just makes it almost impossible to break.

00:02:02.38
Adz
Mmm.

00:02:03.14
Russell Gibson
I think in terms of, you know, getting your, I'm very reluctant to say get your money back, but let's use the phrase getting some value out of it. Cause I think that's what WNBA has been famous for the last few years is I feel like you go into the WNBA breaks, actually it's a bit of fun.

00:02:16.84
Russell Gibson
You actually get a little bit of value back out of it. But I just think if you don't hit a massive Caitlin Clark, you've just spent 3,300, 3,500 on a box and got a sweet cup of coffee out of it.

00:02:26.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:29.22
Russell Gibson
So it's, it's really tough.

00:02:29.92
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it' it's, it's annoying that this product and and let's, let's let everybody that is playing at home and not completely sure with the WNBA product.

00:02:43.51
Adz
This is, am I right in saying, um, is it Caitlin Clark's rookie year stuff? That is that the reason it's, so this is the rookie year, Caitlin Clark, WNBA Jersey, like.

00:02:48.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, this is her rookie stuff. Exactly. Yeah.

00:02:56.05
Russell Gibson
It's a good year. It's just other rookies in there too. Cameron Brinks in there and there's the girl from Chicago who's also a bit of a gun. Like it's not just sort of a one, you know, person box, but probably a half or a third of that.

00:03:03.80
Adz
Alright, but if if kate if Caitlyn Clark's not in this set, does it sell out at $2,200 a box?

00:03:11.48
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.

00:03:12.01
Adz
Yeah. Like, I mean, I'm not discrediting the other the other players, but I feel like Caitlyn Clark put it...

00:03:13.66
Russell Gibson
Prism. Yeah, so pretty some of the last couple of years has been between 200 and 300 AUD a box. So basically it's 10x.

00:03:20.86
Adz
Yeah. Crazy.

00:03:23.27
Russell Gibson
It's yeah.

00:03:24.85
Adz
It's insane, and like...

00:03:25.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:27.10
Adz
and And look, I understand... um the the post here and it's like, thanks for calling everybody a bunch of clowns. They've just made it impossible for the average collector um to to get in on this product by just buying it out.

00:03:36.83
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:03:41.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I suppose. So my two takeaways from this, and we could even use this as a closing statement if you wanted to, is that I think this legitimizes WNBA. I think that it's gone from maybe something that was a fringe product or a fringe interest to, you know, clearly now this has established itself as something that people want to get into.

00:03:50.00
Adz
Hell yeah.

00:04:01.03
Russell Gibson
But also too, it also says to me that Boxes aren't really for collectors any anymore, they're for breakers. I think that's the really like big thing that's like coming through to me so clearly on this, because again, this is also what was great about WNBA.

00:04:09.87
Adz
That's sad, isn't it?

00:04:15.66
Russell Gibson
You could get a box of this and not stress about it. If you hit, you hit, if you didn't, you didn't, and it and it was like not a massive deal. Whereas with this, I think this almost takes it back to what you would be doing for select NBA, iMac, it's in that sort of same price range now, or more expensive.

00:04:22.07
Adz
No.

00:04:30.49
Adz
It's insane. It's actually, it's, yeah. And I don't know, I don't know if I ah like that. I still think the everyday person would like to experience opening packs of cards and it's sort of taking that away and and forcing people into a different area might backfire for the for the hobby.

00:04:44.23
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. This is the, this is the Caitlin Clark effect in full swing.

00:04:53.25
Adz
That's the impact. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:04:56.21
Russell Gibson
All righty, it is and NBA trade deadline week, which is my favorite day of the year.

00:05:01.38
Adz
We were busy, we were so busy this week.

00:05:01.61
Russell Gibson
ah it In my BC years, ad I would actually schedule myself for a day off from my normal shift work so I could just sit there and all day just watch the trades roll through.

00:05:12.71
Adz
Betrayed them, yeah, yeah.

00:05:13.64
Russell Gibson
Obviously, my life is ah never going to be the same after obviously, you know, conceiving children. I'm not asking for sympathy, but you know, it is what it is.

00:05:21.84
Adz
But it's it's very interesting, yeah.

00:05:22.59
Russell Gibson
I still enjoyed the deadline, but I just didn't take the day off to to soak it up. So we're going to go through every trade today.

00:05:27.33
Adz
ah But we'll pre-podcast, we could just sit back and enjoy it and have a chat about it. Whereas it was emergency pod, emergency pod, we were it was it was busy.

00:05:32.08
Russell Gibson
For real.

00:05:36.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for real. All right. We're going to do every trade today, so let's get started. Marcus Smart is going to the Wizards with Colby Jones, Alex Len, and a 2025 first round pick by the Grizzlies. This is a really interesting one to me because actually the Wizards have really upgraded their talent here Colby Jones, I was actually pretty excited about.

00:06:00.43
Russell Gibson
I'm a little bit surprised that they've given up on him so early. He kind of looks like a decent prospect. I think Marcus Smart is going to be suffering in hell in the Wizards because this guy ah has the reputation as being ultra competitive to the point of just like literally being a maniac.

00:06:16.78
Russell Gibson
so

00:06:16.98
Adz
Do they let him go? Do they just let him go?

00:06:20.06
Russell Gibson
I don't think so. I actually think for the Wizards, this is a really good cultural like pick up because the other thing that the Wizards, and we're going to touch on this a little bit later, is they got rid of Kuzma, who's sort of um one of the league's leaders in coasting on their talent and not fulfilling you know what they could do.

00:06:28.74
Adz
Yep.

00:06:35.93
Russell Gibson
So I think moving Kuzma out, getting Marcus Smart in, that's a really big deal for me.

00:06:38.75
Adz
Yep. Making a change.

00:06:40.76
Russell Gibson
so Yeah, good you know good for them.

00:06:41.77
Adz
Yep.

00:06:43.43
Russell Gibson
Good for the the Wizards.

00:06:43.91
Adz
Hmm.

00:06:44.47
Russell Gibson
This is a massive get for them. The Grizzlies get two second round picks. mar Marvin Bagley, he's just going around the league at this point in time. And Johnny Davis, the Kings get Jake Lavaria.

00:06:52.79
Adz
Hmm.

00:06:55.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look,

00:06:57.64
Adz
I mean, it's it's not a deep trade as far as as far as moves being made around the leg, but yeah, I think they're moving pieces, second string pieces where they need to go.

00:07:07.35
Russell Gibson
I think the Wizards are the clear winner here. and it's When was the last time that we said that about the Washington Wizards that they're a winner in all of this?

00:07:09.94
Adz
Yep.

00:07:15.00
Adz
Maybe they're just trying to accumulate some peaks and I don't know, build a future.

00:07:18.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Marcus Smart PSA 10 Silver population on this is 19. This is his 2014 rookie.

00:07:25.68
Adz
Yep.

00:07:25.99
Russell Gibson
This is down crazy. If you look at this the last couple of months, this is just a straight downhill. This is trading at $40 USD at the moment, down from $185, which is almost the max actually that it got up to.

00:07:37.06
Adz
Really?

00:07:38.85
Russell Gibson
so ah Look, at $40, I've got no problems with that. Actually, I think that's a really tidy little pickup. You would hate hate to be the person who paid $185 for it, and the next sale was $40, so that's for sure.

00:07:48.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:50.50
Russell Gibson
so ah The Toronto Raptors get Brandon Ingram.

00:07:55.52
Adz
Now this is, this is an interesting trade. I don't think hobby wise we're looking at crazy stuff, but branded Ingram finally on the move.

00:08:05.27
Russell Gibson
So this one is very head scratching for me because in my head, I'm like, the Raptors are trying to lose games. They're trying to get the Cooper flag state as many, you know, ping pong balls as what they can. Then they go and get Brandon Ingram.

00:08:17.29
Russell Gibson
Maybe Ingram's not going to play this year at all. So that actually fits into their.

00:08:20.01
Adz
Mmm, that fits in with, if they get flag an ingram, do you know what I mean?

00:08:24.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:25.15
Adz
Like they' maybe they're planting some seeds.

00:08:27.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah, ah the Palakans get Bruce Brown, Callie Olenek, a first round pick and a second round pick. Look, I actually have no problems with this at all. They're getting two pieces of draft equity out of this.

00:08:37.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:38.24
Russell Gibson
They're getting a piece who's Callie Olenek. I don't know what his contract is, but I don't think it's anything crazy. And Bruce Brown is on a very friendly deal that even if they like him or they don't like him, they can move him on for another asset.

00:08:44.39
Adz
Yep.

00:08:48.93
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
I think that's fine. Ingram wanted out. He wanted 50 million a year. The interesting sort of narrative for me though, is that the Raptors now have to pay this guy and how they're going to pay Scotty Barnes.

00:08:52.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:59.64
Russell Gibson
And they just signed a manual quickly to an insane deal in the off season, which I think that's actually going to cause a little bit of salary cap stress for them.

00:09:04.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:07.52
Russell Gibson
So that's going to be interesting one for me. I'm a bit confused about what the Raptors strategy is here though. So for me, this is very much a wait and see type deal, but they definitely

00:09:17.09
Adz
Yep. But he's been, he's been injury prone quite a lot Ingram. So yeah it wouldn't be a surprise if they'd wrap him up in cotton wool. Do you know what I mean?

00:09:23.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure. This, this year might be a write off for him. You know, absolutely.

00:09:26.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:28.65
Russell Gibson
um His base PSA 10 just last sold for $15. His silver just last sold for $60.

00:09:35.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:35.77
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 203. I've actually I've got no problems with that. I think for a buy low opportunity. um That's really cool.

00:09:42.85
Adz
He's fine.

00:09:44.09
Russell Gibson
At its maximum it sold for 1300.

00:09:47.14
Adz
The silver actually sold for two and a half thousand.

00:09:47.29
Russell Gibson
Look, I think

00:09:49.42
Adz
Yeah, remember this guy was drafted by the Lakers. So there was a lot of hype early. So yeah.

00:09:53.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah, an insane amount of hype there. but I think the Raptors win this trade. I don't think they gave up a lot to get increase their talent level.

00:09:59.60
Adz
Yep.

00:10:01.21
Russell Gibson
I just don't know what they're doing with their sort of overall um prospectus.

00:10:04.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:06.45
Russell Gibson
All righty, Jimmy Butler trade, we covered this in depth.

00:10:06.90
Adz
Yep.

00:10:09.91
Adz
So last episode.

00:10:10.06
Russell Gibson
If you'd like to listen to 185, please go back and check that out because we've done that for 15 minutes.

00:10:11.11
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:10:15.54
Russell Gibson
I don't think we even need to mention it again other than go back and listen to that.

00:10:19.71
Adz
There's only one change to the the announced trade on that day, and that is Dennis Schroeder didn't end up with the Pistons.

00:10:23.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:25.77
Adz
Well, oh no, he ended up with the Pistons, not the Jets.

00:10:28.25
Russell Gibson
I'm really confused about all this.

00:10:30.17
Adz
They're just trying to get Dennis Schroeder to every team in the NBA, slowly.

00:10:34.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? Hey, maybe we should reread this because actually this trade is probably bigger than what we talked about the other day.

00:10:39.67
Adz
It's a lot more complicated than, um

00:10:39.84
Russell Gibson
So yeah, the Warriors get Butler to second round picks and cash. The Heat get Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, a second, i sorry, a protected first.

00:10:50.18
Adz
Yep, from the, yep.

00:10:50.48
Russell Gibson
The Jazz get Josh Richardson, KJ Martin, a 28 second, 2031 second. God, with that going that far into the future and Cash, Pistons get Lindy Waters, Schroeder, a second.

00:10:57.00
Adz
More cash considerations, yep.

00:11:03.15
Adz
From jazz fire wizards.

00:11:04.69
Russell Gibson
The Raptors get PJ Tucker from the Jazz.

00:11:05.60
Adz
Or is.

00:11:07.17
Russell Gibson
So he, I think that means he's been traded twice in the trade period too, right?

00:11:08.38
Adz
Yep, yep, true.

00:11:12.23
Russell Gibson
26 second and cash. So yeah, really interesting one there.

00:11:16.42
Adz
Very complicated trade for sure.

00:11:16.65
Russell Gibson
All right. This, this actually one, I want to talk to you, if we can talk on this one for like five minutes, this would make me happy.

00:11:21.78
Adz
Good job.

00:11:22.89
Russell Gibson
The Cavaliers get DeAndre Hunter, um the Hawks get in return, Karis Lavert, Georges Niang, three second round picks and two pick swaps.

00:11:33.50
Russell Gibson
This is really interesting because The hawks actually owe their pick out this year, so it's in their best interest for them to try and win more games. And I would have said the best player in this trade is John Dre Hunter. He's a legitimate three and D guy. Um, and the other thing that they would be trying to do is get under the tax, but actually they've increased their total taxable salary. So for me, this just makes no sense at all for the Hawks on any, on any, any level. So if you said to me, Oh, they're ducking the tax, they're saving some money. Okay. Fantastic. You know, you've just saved yourself $25 million. dollars That's fine. But to then.

00:12:09.70
Russell Gibson
go more salary and get a worse player back. like I don't think Caris Lavert's going to help them. For me, that skill set is a little bit crossover with Trey Young. The guy needs the ball in his hand a lot. You know, he can get buckets, but is that really what that team needs?

00:12:23.26
Russell Gibson
it's <unk> For me, this is just really, really confusing. So I'd love to hear your opinion on this because like, what are they doing?

00:12:30.17
Adz
Feel I feel like there's maybe they're just trying to

00:12:36.60
Adz
I think Hunter to the Cavs is good.

00:12:39.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:39.47
Adz
The Cavs is good. The Hawks are spreading their options, but the Hawks might be testing different options.

00:12:40.82
Russell Gibson
Really good for the calves, right? Yeah.

00:12:44.78
Adz
They might not see Hunter as a long-term. They might not be able to afford him down the track, downgrade his pieces and get some extra real estate.

00:12:47.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure.

00:12:51.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:52.05
Adz
Extra second picks, pick swaps, it gives them flexibility.

00:12:56.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:56.55
Adz
I think is what the Hawks are looking for. And they might be doubling down in different areas. So Hunter might be someone they really couldn't afford down the track and afford to offer something big.

00:13:07.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:07.37
Adz
Um, I mean, there's a lot of talk around the trade period about teams trying to be smarter with regards to how much tax they're paying as well and hitting different aprons and things.

00:13:17.04
Russell Gibson
And look, maybe that's the Hawks long-term plays.

00:13:18.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:19.82
Russell Gibson
They're actually going to set save money in the long-term because Hunter is still under contract contract for two more years.

00:13:22.43
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:26.44
Russell Gibson
21 million this year, 23 next year, 24.9. So basically 25 million.

00:13:31.25
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:13:32.43
Russell Gibson
next year. you know that Look, that is a lot of money, but at the same time, I actually think the Cavaliers have almost had a revolving door of people at the starting three.

00:13:35.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:41.19
Russell Gibson
you know Who is actually their starting three? For me, Hunter is going to be their starting three man for the next at least three years. There's no reason in my mind he's not going to be their starting player.

00:13:49.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:51.10
Russell Gibson
He'll be 27 this year, 28, 29 the next two years. like That's NBA prime. so You know, I, yeah, this one is just such a, I think the absolute win here is the Cavs because also too.

00:14:04.21
Adz
Hell yeah, they're really consolidating and building on what they want for the um for their look for the fight for the playoffs.

00:14:06.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:10.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He actually, like he definitely fits what their team needs. I think the other thing too is to add is that no one expected the Cavaliers to be so good this year. And so to add another piece to the team that actually is going to help them.

00:14:23.60
Russell Gibson
right now and also fill in needs that they have, you know, I think this is just absolutely a home run.

00:14:23.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:28.76
Russell Gibson
I don't think they even overpaid for him, you know, in any sort of bit.

00:14:31.00
Adz
No.

00:14:32.00
Russell Gibson
So yeah,

00:14:32.22
Adz
I think they wanted to give the impression they were prepared to overpay. Do you know what I mean? Like they they they offered all this extra stock and stuff. Maybe maybe they didn't really play as hard ball as they want. They're like, oh, if that's what he we can get for him, this is great.

00:14:45.28
Adz
And the Hawks wanted to play ball. It's great.

00:14:47.65
Russell Gibson
yeah maybe. So yeah, Giondre Hunter this year, 19 points a game, 2.63 made per game on 39% clip, 85%.

00:14:58.11
Adz
He was like the fourth pick overall.

00:15:00.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you look, he probably hasn't been the best pick ever, but at the same time, he's not a bad NBA player.

00:15:05.46
Adz
But he's a sneaky, it's been a few years now and now.

00:15:07.66
Russell Gibson
Four rebounds a game, 1.5 assists, 0.8 steals, let's call that one. He doesn't get any block shots, just 0.1 per game.

00:15:15.31
Adz
Mmm.

00:15:15.48
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm all in on this. This is probably one of my favorite sort of, you know, nerd trades, if you wanna call it that.

00:15:18.15
Adz
Seems good.

00:15:21.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:22.03
Russell Gibson
I'm just, you know, really all in on this trade, so.

00:15:22.08
Adz
Yeah. Well, to make it hobby relevant, the last time Karis, yeah, Karis Levert's rookie card sold, it's 20 bucks. Silver PSA.

00:15:33.39
Adz
There we go, last sale, last sold.

00:15:33.63
Russell Gibson
I mean, what does that say? yeah

00:15:36.75
Adz
It doesn't say what the date was, does it? Oh no, May last year for 20 bucks.

00:15:40.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:15:41.11
Adz
Yep, yep, so at least it's sold. That's 12 transactions in the last two years.

00:15:44.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:48.47
Adz
Probably 11 more, 12 more than I thought there would be.

00:15:51.50
Russell Gibson
So DeAndre Hunter, population on that is 978.

00:15:51.71
Adz
um

00:15:54.70
Russell Gibson
That last sold for $23. I'd probably rather have a Hunter at this point.

00:15:57.09
Adz
Yeah, I'd take a Hunter for sure.

00:15:58.64
Russell Gibson
look Look, it probably will tick up a little bit considering he's going to a winning team, maybe going to go to the finals, but at the same time, I wouldn't load up too much on this guy.

00:16:03.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:08.17
Russell Gibson
The population on that is really high.

00:16:10.25
Adz
Maybe it's from ah from a very high year, true.

00:16:12.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:16:12.63
Adz
Very, very true.

00:16:13.71
Russell Gibson
He's a complimentary piece. I don't think there's a lot there.

00:16:15.06
Adz
Yep.

00:16:15.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:16.71
Adz
How about we go through this trade quickly, then we go to a break and then we can break it down after it.

00:16:20.53
Russell Gibson
Sure, mate.

00:16:21.67
Adz
So the Los Angeles Lakers acquire Mark Williams from the Charlotte Hornets.

00:16:21.97
Russell Gibson
Let's do that. What do you got for me?

00:16:28.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:28.96
Adz
In exchange, the Lakers will be giving up Dalton Connect, Cam Redish, 2031 unprotected first round pick and 2030 pick swap. So um quite a bit of real estate there. How about we go to a break, our first break of the show, and then we can really unpack this while while Dalton connects off in Charlotte, unpacking his gear and, you know, getting settled into Charlotte life, we can have a quick break and then we'll talk about it after the break. What do you reckon?

00:16:56.31
Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:17:56.97
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much to the guys at Fastbreak Trading Cards. Adam, we're back. Let's keep going with this Lakers trade.

00:18:04.65
Adz
with oh with with that big that big trade. um Yeah, sorry, I was just on the Fast Break website looking for a Luca Doncic jersey. um Anyway, um so so um unfortunately, I just got some news while we're on our break.

00:18:11.56
Russell Gibson
yeah In their fanatics memorabilia, yeah.

00:18:19.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:19.48
Adz
It looks as if the yeah ah Mark Williams didn't actually pass his his Fitness there, so Dalton Connect and Cam Reddish, hope you enjoyed your your brief holiday, um paid trip to to to Charlotte just to look around.

00:18:34.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:34.94
Adz
um We'll need you back in l LA as well as our unprotected first round pick.

00:18:38.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so look, if I'm wearing my tinfoil hat right now, I reckon the Lakers just got a little bit of the heebie jeebies about giving up an unprotected first.

00:18:48.10
Adz
for and For injured goods.

00:18:50.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:50.68
Adz
Well, the the whip worry is his injury history, right? So maybe maybe it was like a, oh, he needs to putt, maybe the lake, well, it sounds like the lake has had it written into the contract that he had to be ah at a certain level and there were too many undisclosed issues with the guy.

00:19:09.29
Adz
So maybe.

00:19:09.66
Russell Gibson
I find that a little bit ironic really. They've just managed Anthony Davis for the last few years. So it's not like they can't tolerate a big guy who's got some injuries. Look, I'm sure that he is an injured guy and all the rest of it, but I would also say too, they paid a lot for this kid. Like I think what they gave up for Mark Williams was an absolute overpay. And if they've worked out a way to get out of that and maybe they're going to pick up a veteran big off the waiver wire.

00:19:34.53
Adz
Well, you know Dwight Howard keeps tweeting out.

00:19:37.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:38.13
Adz
So, yeah, Daniel Theis and Bamba, yeah.

00:19:38.54
Russell Gibson
Look, Mo Bumber's going to be on the wave of why Daniel Theis he's allegedly being released to this week. Like, I think those two guys are just as good as Mark Williams. I mean, look, anyway, who knows? Should we move on?

00:19:51.39
Adz
we we We shall, I'm just glad that we've got, ah the Lakers got their pick back and their new little draftee, it's good, good.

00:20:00.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty, so this is a bit of a long one too. It's a very complicated trade. You could say that the Bucks received Kyle Kuzma, Jericho Sims, 25 second and a 26 second.

00:20:11.66
Adz
second yep pick

00:20:12.54
Russell Gibson
The Wizards get Chris Middleton, AJ Johnson, a 2028 first round pick swap.

00:20:18.30
Adz
swap yep okay yeah yeah

00:20:19.52
Russell Gibson
Knicks get Delon Wright, the riots to Hugo Besson. and cash. The Spurs get Patrick Baldwin Jr. via the Wizards and cash consideration. So I think realistically here, the two main pieces that got moved was Chris Middleton and Kyle Kuzma. So why don't we talk about that? I think we should talk about Chris Middleton first, just and in terms of and NBA, uh, the ladder in terms of going from top to bottom.

00:20:45.16
Russell Gibson
I think Middleton's a champion. He was a massive part of the bucks winning their chip. And for me, this is a little bit of a sort of a sad goodbye or, you know, the long kiss, good you know, good night.

00:20:51.08
Adz
yeah Yeah.

00:20:56.70
Russell Gibson
I suppose in that sense, it's a bit like watching the worries. The last few years just sort of deteriorate in front of our eyes.

00:21:02.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:02.22
Russell Gibson
Look, I think the issue with Chris Middleton has been his injuries the last couple of years. He's been very much Um, unreliable. I think that's the best way to, you know, really summarize him.

00:21:11.20
Adz
It's a good bite to put it.

00:21:14.38
Russell Gibson
Um, I mean, in saying that he's actually been playing this year, but he just has been on a ah pretty severe sort of minutes restriction. So, um, it looks like the most minutes he's actually played this year is about 31 minutes.

00:21:22.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:30.09
Russell Gibson
Is that it?

00:21:31.06
Adz
Yeah, he's he's been on a minute's restriction. His health hasn't been great. um All the talk with the Bucks has been wait until minutes and Middleton's back, wait until Middleton's back. And they have righted their season, don't get me wrong.

00:21:41.63
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:21:41.78
Adz
But I feel like they're they're so dependent on keeping him healthy that um maybe they just, it was time to sort of change direction.

00:21:51.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:53.69
Russell Gibson
Look, maybe he's more washed than what I sort of had that image in my head of him.

00:21:56.92
Adz
Hmm.

00:21:59.34
Russell Gibson
Like I sort of still remember him as the, the champion from a couple of years back.

00:21:59.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:03.51
Russell Gibson
So it's a bit of a tough one for me, because I don't think he's a worse player than Carl Kuzma.

00:22:03.98
Adz
Yep. Agreed. Okay. Yeah.

00:22:10.40
Adz
Yeah. But maybe Kuzma just stays healthier. Do you know what I mean? Like maybe they just need that consistency.

00:22:13.30
Russell Gibson
Hmm. Yeah, maybe he can give them 30 minutes or not instead of 24.

00:22:15.14
Adz
um I'm actually surprised that Eddie's sold prices. Look, Silver Prism hasn't sold for over a year, with the last sale being January 14th, 2024, but the last sold price was $255.

00:22:27.22
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:22:30.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:34.47
Adz
It was actually not a terrible price.

00:22:41.36
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:22:42.18
Adz
for like i thought I didn't think it was highly of him in the in the scheme of things, but Yeah.

00:22:48.22
Russell Gibson
Well, I'll probably add two things to that. The population on it is extremely low. It's 29.

00:22:52.01
Adz
29 true.

00:22:52.76
Russell Gibson
And then also too, if you look at the old time data, he's down 85%. So at one point he was actually more than 2000 bucks. So I think it depends, you know, when you got on or off the the Middleton train.

00:22:59.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:04.02
Russell Gibson
Look, I think for me at 255, you could put that money towards something else that might have a bit more pop.

00:23:09.03
Adz
Yeah. Someone with a bit of potential to go up rather than down.

00:23:11.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, or just like a really nice autograph of, you know, you can get half a Yo-Kik autograph for that much at the moment.

00:23:13.99
Adz
Hmm.

00:23:17.44
Russell Gibson
Like Yo-Kik autos, you can pick up even on card for around $400 Aussie at the moment.

00:23:18.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:22.73
Russell Gibson
Like I'd probably rather have that than a Middleton rookie to be perfectly honest, but that's just, you know, that's just me, obviously.

00:23:30.63
Adz
So my question now transfers to Kuzma.

00:23:33.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we have to talk about Kuzma in this spot because I think hobby wise, he's probably the guy that's got the most potential to to get the the rise here just for the fact he's going to a relevant team, I think.

00:23:43.50
Adz
He's going to ah to a strong team rather than

00:23:46.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:48.17
Adz
Do you know what I mean?

00:23:49.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:23:49.33
Adz
This is...

00:23:51.89
Russell Gibson
Look, I think that the the Bucks have got ideas of winning the championship. My issue is that Is Damien Lillard a championship point guard and is Kyle Kuzma a championship small forward?

00:24:03.46
Russell Gibson
I think you're asking for a lot of...

00:24:04.71
Adz
Well, he's won a championship as a small forward.

00:24:10.66
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:24:11.52
Adz
ah

00:24:14.45
Russell Gibson
But do you think that he will be that again? Is that what you're saying?

00:24:18.21
Adz
No, no, no, no. he's they're both go he's got But he's he knows how to win. It was on the 2020 Lakers.

00:24:25.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:25.26
Adz
He got to win a chip. um He's been around veteran leadership like LeBron. So being with Yarnas now might be a good thing. He might've taken some of those lessons. He might take them across to Milwaukee.

00:24:35.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:36.03
Adz
um That said, I'm not gonna say that it's been a huge spike. He, although he is up over 50% on Cardletter, but that's up from $20 or $25 to 40.

00:24:48.59
Russell Gibson
So he averaged 8.5 points, 2.8 rebounds and 0.5 assists in six games in the 2020 NBA Finals.

00:24:49.05
Adz
His silver PSA 10.

00:24:56.33
Adz
That's exactly, he did nothing. he But he watched, he was near around LeBron.

00:24:59.94
Russell Gibson
So the question is, is can he do that again and can the Bucks win a championship?

00:25:02.23
Adz
He can watch Yarnas. He can watch Yarnas and Lillard go to work.

00:25:03.62
Russell Gibson
ah

00:25:06.06
Russell Gibson
So probably my recollection was that the Middleton did a lot more than that when they won the championship.

00:25:14.13
Adz
I feel like Coosma will have to do more, and will probably do more given

00:25:15.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:20.61
Adz
If you look at that team, a lot of the scoring would have come from Bronn.

00:25:21.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:24.99
Adz
Do you know what I mean? AD and LeBron take a lot of the shine off what you're able to do. Cozma probably underperformed there, but yeah, they wanted him to do more scoring.

00:25:31.91
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:25:33.79
Adz
I think he'll be given opportunities though as a third string scorer.

00:25:36.69
Russell Gibson
So versus Middleton who got 24 points, 6.3 rebounds and 5.3 assists in six games in the NBA finals.

00:25:43.90
Adz
but But that was without Lillard.

00:25:45.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:46.18
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like he was the second string option there. If Kuzma is the second string auction option, he'd clearly be scoring 20 plus points.

00:25:54.61
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:25:55.34
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like he's now the third option. Because it's Jarnas, Lillard, and Kuzma.

00:26:00.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:01.43
Adz
Or maybe not even Kuzma is the third option. Like he's just a position now. Like the dynamics change.

00:26:05.92
Russell Gibson
I just think

00:26:07.04
Adz
What's Middleton done this year though? He doesn't average 20, has he?

00:26:10.35
Russell Gibson
No, no.

00:26:12.54
Adz
That's what I mean. That that dynamic with Lillard on the floor, maybe maybe he doesn't fit into that.

00:26:20.56
Russell Gibson
I just think that Kyle Kuzmer's the American Ben Simmons in that they have so much talent and they just haven't been able to maximize and and use the gifts that they've been given.

00:26:33.18
Russell Gibson
like I don't want to over dramatize this, but you know he has you know the size of Magic Johnson and he's maybe got the talent of say, Vinny Johnson from back in the day with Detroit.

00:26:45.08
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:26:45.67
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? It's like Kyle Kuzma shouldn't be

00:26:47.53
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:50.35
Russell Gibson
averaging eight points a game and in the finals. So that's that's my that's my gripe about Kyle Kuzma.

00:26:52.98
Adz
Like, yeah, right, yeah. Fair, fair, fair.

00:26:56.16
Russell Gibson
I just feel like he's one of those guys that just never does enough and has never been able to maximize his talent.

00:26:59.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:01.27
Russell Gibson
So how this helps the Bucks, I'm really reluctant about this. And i I just think that, look, maybe the Bucks had to shake shake their roster up.

00:27:12.26
Russell Gibson
They had to do something. And this is the the piece that they, would they have been better to get DeAndre Hunter?

00:27:17.62
Adz
Mm, yeah, probably, probably.

00:27:19.31
Russell Gibson
A three and D dude that can just come in and yeah.

00:27:19.87
Adz
You know what I mean? Friends eager, yeah. Well, they had Grayson Allen doing that and they got rid of him too.

00:27:24.29
Russell Gibson
Look, Jericho Sims, I think he's just going to be a bench guy.

00:27:24.37
Adz
um Yeah.

00:27:27.98
Russell Gibson
He might give them eight or 10 minutes a game, whatever on that. You know, maybe the other one we should really briefly talk about is AJ Johnson, because the sort of the, not the word, but the, the conversation that was had around this guy is that they give me up with him too soon.

00:27:44.86
Russell Gibson
The 23rd pick from the 2024 draft.

00:27:47.07
Adz
By sending into Washington, that's giving up on someone too. So because there's no way being in Washington is gonna help your hobby value.

00:27:50.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:54.39
Russell Gibson
Six point six foot five guard, 20 years of age, you know, why are they giving opinions and so soon? That's probably like also i'm I'm a little bit in that camp there.

00:28:03.98
Adz
I think theyre they're trying to go in now. they want they They want to try and win it this year.

00:28:06.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:07.62
Adz
And I don't think i think it's Middleton's inability to stay healthy, which is why they've gone for someone that scores similarly. Kuzma this season is averaging more than Middleton.

00:28:14.41
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:28:16.77
Adz
and And I think they just need the extra firepower maybe.

00:28:20.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:22.08
Adz
But everyone's saying defense wins championships, and Milwaukee are trying to disagree with that.

00:28:25.56
Russell Gibson
No. Clippers Hawks trade. Bogon Bogdanovich is going to the Clippers. The Hawks are getting Terrence Mann, Bones Highland, 25 second, 26 second and a 27 second. So obviously,

00:28:28.39
Adz
Because Kuzma is not a ah stopper, that's for sure.

00:28:30.92
Russell Gibson
no

00:28:33.47
Russell Gibson
ah clip is hawks trade boon bogonnoitch is going to the clippers the hawks are getting terence man bones highland

00:28:38.74
Adz
a pretty simple trade, isn't it?

00:28:41.53
Russell Gibson
twenty five second twenty six second and twenty seven seconds so obviously the Hawks are getting some future assets here. Bones Hyland was released today. That's not in this press release, but I definitely know that that's what's happened.

00:28:52.65
Adz
Hmm.

00:28:54.73
Russell Gibson
So basically Terrence Mann and three seconds for Bogdan. Look, clearly to me, the Clippers are in win mode now. So they've picked up Bogdan, which I think is an upgrade over both Bones and also Terrence Mann.

00:29:05.90
Adz
Yep, true.

00:29:07.18
Russell Gibson
I like Terrence Mann, but Bogdanovich is

00:29:07.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:10.74
Russell Gibson
like a serious competitor who can hit big game shots. I actually think he'll work really well with James Harden. I think defensively those two together are going to be a bit of a problem, but ah offensively they're going to be actually quite good together.

00:29:20.11
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:29:24.23
Russell Gibson
And I probably also say too, this is a little bit of, okay, bones Highland. You have a lot of talent. You're a crazy dude. Uh, you've got charisma, but you're almost a little bit too crazy to be in the NBA.

00:29:35.33
Russell Gibson
So I kind of hope this is a bit of a wake up call for him.

00:29:37.17
Adz
ah Yeah.

00:29:38.85
Russell Gibson
So this is, you know, he's what he's third stop in the league now, isn't it?

00:29:42.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:43.24
Russell Gibson
I kind of hope he gets his act together. He is a good, he's a good kid.

00:29:45.67
Adz
You'd like to hope so, wouldn't you? Yeah.

00:29:47.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Speaking of people that you hope to get their act together, the Bucks are going to receive the Kevin Porter Jr. and in return the Clippers will receive March on Bo Champ.

00:29:59.45
Russell Gibson
So my take on this is that the Clippers getting back a professional scorer here. I think Bo Champ can put the ball in the hole um with all without all of the baggage that comes along with Kevin Porter Jr.

00:30:05.25
Adz
Yep.

00:30:10.34
Adz
And the box are getting a wildcard.

00:30:10.52
Russell Gibson
on the flip side to this. Yeah, that's right. So the Bucks here, you know, Porter could come off the bench one game in the playoffs or in the finals and get 30. Like he has that much talent.

00:30:19.11
Adz
Yeah, fair, fair, fair.

00:30:20.45
Russell Gibson
He only has to do it one game in the playoffs, you know, win the one game, win the one series, and the risk is absolutely worth it. So I actually like this trade a lot for the Bucks. I think in terms of them getting the most absolute talent, they've got that.

00:30:32.69
Adz
Yep.

00:30:33.83
Russell Gibson
I also think too that Somehow the bucks locker room is probably a bit more stable to handle someone like Kevin Porter Jr. And I think that's really important if you bring in a like a known knucklehead.

00:30:42.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:45.82
Adz
yeah Yep.

00:30:46.68
Russell Gibson
So yeah, kind of, I'll give this one a plus to the bucks.

00:30:49.46
Adz
Yep.

00:30:49.74
Russell Gibson
I think that's a huge risk, but at the same time, you know, very much worth taking. I think now's a really good time to look at Kevin Porter Jr stock too, because people put some money into this kid.

00:31:01.51
Russell Gibson
People sold him in an absolute panic when, and rightfully so, when his legal case was happening. And then there was also a bit of buzz around this kid when he came back.

00:31:12.11
Russell Gibson
And then there was a bit more people, you know, buying Michael. Sorry, Kevin Porter Jr.

00:31:17.06
Adz
Kevin Potter Jr., yep.

00:31:17.10
Russell Gibson
again. So PSA 10 Silver, there's a thousand and fifty six of these. So there is a lot of them at last sold for 20 bucks. Look, I've got to say.

00:31:28.40
Russell Gibson
This is almost a stay away for me.

00:31:30.45
Adz
Right, you've got $50 to spend. Do you buy two of these? Do you buy two Caruso Laverte's or do you buy a Kyle Kuzma? Or do you keep your money? Don't lie to keep your money, actually, you gotta buy one of these.

00:31:42.83
Russell Gibson
Oh, geez.

00:31:44.41
Adz
yeah

00:31:45.12
Russell Gibson
Can I look at some of the other trades we've talked about?

00:31:48.03
Adz
ah Now, these are the three picks. It's like a, look, it's a kiss, kill, marry scenario.

00:31:55.49
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second. What about Deontre Hunter?

00:31:58.43
Adz
Hunter, is he 40 bucks as well?

00:32:00.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I could get a Hunter for around that price.

00:32:01.36
Adz
All right, done, done, Hunter's the call, easy.

00:32:02.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Hunter for me is also sort of a personality match too. Like ah I quite like that guy, you know,

00:32:08.20
Adz
Yeah, yeah Hunter, Hunter's not on card ladder, is he?

00:32:11.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he is. It's just you need to be DE apostrophe. That's a bit of a trick. So if you just do Hunter, he's there. So population on the Hunter is 978, last sold for 23. I could almost get two of those out.

00:32:23.08
Adz
Oh, there he is. I just spelled differently on this thing.

00:32:24.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:25.69
Adz
like Okay.

00:32:26.24
Russell Gibson
Bit of a bugger.

00:32:27.66
Adz
Ah, stupid website. I mean, it's a great website.

00:32:30.08
Russell Gibson
Technology. It's great when it works horrible when it doesn't.

00:32:33.67
Adz
Yeah. Oh, you're right.

00:32:34.61
Russell Gibson
already The Raptors receive PJ Tucker a 26 second and cash. The Heat get Devion Mitchell. Look, this is a Heat guy through and through. he I think he's going to excel in this environment. This is huge for Devion Mitchell. I think if you are holding and collecting Devion Mitchell, it is actually important

00:32:55.66
Adz
You're gonna show the Davion Mitchells that you're holding.

00:32:57.99
Russell Gibson
As an ex-King supporter, of course I've gone into King's Breaks and picked up some stuff. So look, he has some really nice cards. He's got a blank slate.

00:33:06.48
Adz
Ha, ha, ha.

00:33:06.80
Russell Gibson
There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of other like nice Davion Mitchell stuff too. So I wouldn't particularly discount this move out as a, as a nothing.

00:33:14.85
Adz
And now that he's gone to the heat, that blank slate is white hot. Get it?

00:33:18.53
Russell Gibson
Oh, absolutely.

00:33:19.42
Adz
Load it? Yeah.

00:33:20.93
Russell Gibson
Look, I think Mitchell is good and I've sort of been saying this for a while. I also would say he's the classic. You need to put him into the right situation to succeed. I actually thought Raxus would be good for him, but I think when they paid quickly, that wasn't fantastic for him.

00:33:35.99
Russell Gibson
I think that was really tricky.

00:33:36.15
Adz
Yeah, true, true, true, true. He might do well in Miami, might be good.

00:33:38.11
Russell Gibson
So look, anyway, see what happens. I think it's going to fit his play style. It's going to fit his personality type. I like that a lot. That's a really good pickup for the heat.

00:33:47.31
Adz
Yeah, I mean, we, we, Pistons acquire Schroeder, that's, that's, but this is, this is tying into the Butler trade.

00:33:48.14
Russell Gibson
peace

00:33:50.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you do this one. Yeah. Sure.

00:33:55.47
Adz
So the Dennis Schroeder, Lenny Waters, the third, and the future second round for KJ Martin and a future second round. So that's actually, that's the remaining part of the other trade.

00:34:04.02
Russell Gibson
It's so complicated, isn't it? It's like a trade and another trade. Yeah.

00:34:07.58
Adz
So that's why it switched from the jazz to the pistons.

00:34:09.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:10.33
Adz
So this trade was done after the first lot was sort of done. So that's why Schroeder ended up on the pistons.

00:34:13.82
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:34:16.77
Russell Gibson
Dennis wrote a From Jazz Via Warriors. Yeah, it's complicated, isn't it?

00:34:19.41
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:34:19.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:21.19
Adz
And then we've got there we've got an actual, I guess you could call this an actual trade um And then that was Yusuf Nurkic, he's leaving the Suns and off to Charlotte. This one didn't get rescinded. For Yusuf Nurkic and a 2026 first round pick going to the Hornets, Suns received Cody Martin, Visele, is it Mesich?

00:34:52.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's a hard one, message.

00:34:54.04
Adz
message and a 20-26 second round pick.

00:34:56.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:57.30
Adz
So we all know Nurkic wasn't happy in Phoenix.

00:35:01.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And they weren't going to play me.

00:35:01.90
Adz
We had a disciplinary action.

00:35:02.40
Russell Gibson
That was the other thing. He'd been he'd been put out of the rotation.

00:35:03.41
Adz
They weren't playing him.

00:35:05.22
Russell Gibson
So.

00:35:05.60
Adz
I'm surprised they didn't try and manufacture something to get him to l LA, maybe being a center and all, but it's probably the, it's probably not the type that Luca would want to play with.

00:35:13.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, not sure on that one.

00:35:14.76
Adz
So.

00:35:18.92
Adz
Hmm. Hmm.

00:35:20.74
Russell Gibson
Maybe a bit too much salary for the Lakers to take on.

00:35:20.89
Adz
Interesting. Yeah, possibly, possibly.

00:35:23.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:25.25
Adz
um I mean, and I can quickly cover off the next one because of the Pistons, like KJ Martin for a bunch of picks and six and cash considerations.

00:35:35.61
Russell Gibson
So I think KJ Martin is a professional basketball player.

00:35:41.18
Adz
That's a good, that's very accurate.

00:35:42.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and I think that's what the Pistons need at this point. They just need to keep hitting singles.

00:35:47.69
Adz
Maybe after the after the success of Tobias Harris, they're like, what else have you got for us, Philadelphia? Yep, yep.

00:35:56.31
Russell Gibson
So six is just clear a bit of cap space. You know, I think that's totally fine.

00:35:58.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:00.61
Russell Gibson
but Let's go to a break ad.

00:36:01.53
Adz
Yeah, let's let's take a break and then we'll get back to just some more trades.

00:36:06.38
Russell Gibson
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00:36:26.59
Russell Gibson
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00:37:09.86
Russell Gibson
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00:37:11.67
Adz
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Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:37:34.67
Russell Gibson
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00:37:37.08
Russell Gibson
We're back.

00:37:37.74
Adz
We are back. Ready for some more trades?

00:37:40.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just wanted to really quickly just go back a little bit. I actually, before the Lakers rescinded their trade, I thought they had the best off season in terms of collecting future assets, because if you look at it, they got no kick and also a first round pick.

00:37:50.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:54.39
Russell Gibson
They would have got Dalton Connect, an X first round pick, plus also another first round pick from the Lakers.

00:37:55.21
Adz
Wait. Oh, the Hornets. Yeah, the Hornets. Yeah.

00:38:01.80
Russell Gibson
Like that's a really good return.

00:38:02.86
Adz
But they keep getting, they keep getting draft picks. They don't keep much. Like they've got ball. You know what I mean? Like it seems like they, they're a breeding ground to ship people off down the track.

00:38:12.84
Russell Gibson
I just think that if you're doing as poorly as what they are, there's no point trying to bring in pieces to win. I think you're better off just trying to, that's right, like take some future assets back.

00:38:19.63
Adz
They've just got to build something.

00:38:23.88
Russell Gibson
So that's probably my two cents on the, I actually think the Hornets did well.

00:38:26.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:28.37
Russell Gibson
I just think that they were a little bit unlucky with that trade being rescinded.

00:38:28.54
Adz
yeah Yeah.

00:38:31.37
Russell Gibson
So anyway, it is what it is.

00:38:32.51
Adz
Yeah. Fair. Fair.

00:38:35.61
Russell Gibson
paces deal away James Wiseman. The Raptors get him back also with some cash and the Pacers get a second round pick.

00:38:41.51
Adz
Nice.

00:38:44.30
Russell Gibson
Now really interesting on that, the cash considerations is basically going to be covering the waiver fee for him. So he's been released already.

00:38:51.00
Adz
That's hilarious. Yeah.

00:38:52.35
Russell Gibson
Look, I think this is a little bit of a ah sad sort of ending for James Wiseman. I'm not too sure how many teams are going to be queuing up to sign this guy.

00:39:00.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:01.94
Russell Gibson
It's, it really is a bit of a fall from grace from this kid. And I was hoping that that would change after he was released from the warriors and that, you know, I thought the paces were actually a good landing spot for him.

00:39:08.83
Adz
yeah

00:39:12.91
Russell Gibson
I think they, they treat bigs quite well there and with their exceptional guard play of Halliburton.

00:39:14.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:19.67
Adz
We can't even, yeah, I don't know. He's not a rebounding big, that's the problem.

00:39:22.15
Russell Gibson
So yeah, look, do you float him out to the Lakers?

00:39:27.79
Adz
No, can't rebound.

00:39:29.92
Russell Gibson
Huge body.

00:39:33.11
Adz
I don't know, he just doesn't, yeah, I don't know.

00:39:37.71
Russell Gibson
This is a really tough one because a lot of people put money into this guy. A lot of people spent a lot of money buying the Warriors in breaks. And now he's raw silver is selling for a dollar.

00:39:44.45
Adz
To get Wiseman, yep, yep.

00:39:48.07
Russell Gibson
You know, really is a cautionary tale of, you know, paying large money for raw, unverified prospects.

00:39:52.82
Adz
Well, it's a very, it's a big lesson about like, yeah. Yeah.

00:39:56.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:56.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:57.04
Russell Gibson
And also big guys. I think, you know, the the hobby can be very cruel to big guys.

00:39:58.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:01.10
Russell Gibson
I think that's a, it really is a takeaway for that too.

00:40:03.40
Adz
One to note for sure.

00:40:04.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but this is a funny one. Actually, I haven't heard of this dude. The Rockets received Cody Zallop and a second round pick and the Hawks get Alpha Cabo.

00:40:14.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:14.99
Russell Gibson
And this guy doesn't even have a there's no hyperlink.

00:40:15.40
Adz
The fact when it doesn't know if there's no hyperlink under the player's name.

00:40:18.91
Russell Gibson
He literally took the words out of my mouth on that one. Yeah, that's that's a tough one. Should we Google who Alpha Cabo is and then read his Wikipedia or something like that?

00:40:25.47
Adz
Yeah, hell yeah, I'm in.

00:40:29.09
Adz
There you go.

00:40:32.45
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, a French Gideon, professional basketball player.

00:40:34.87
Adz
29 year old.

00:40:39.65
Adz
He's a big.

00:40:40.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's a big guy. Originally drafted in 2016.

00:40:48.41
Adz
Yep. There's not much about him.

00:40:51.98
Russell Gibson
and then withdrew, put his name back into the draft for 2017. And he was the final pick in the draft by the Atlanta Hawks. And the Houston Rockets acquired his draft rights.

00:41:04.16
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:41:06.08
Adz
Wow.

00:41:07.34
Russell Gibson
Oh well.

00:41:09.41
Adz
You ever know he might make an appearance in the league yet?

00:41:11.88
Russell Gibson
A 30 year old rookie.

00:41:17.13
Adz
Strange days.

00:41:18.16
Russell Gibson
It's kind of a cool story for him though.

00:41:20.46
Adz
If he gets a game, he'll be great. The Hawks just like need him, need, yeah.

00:41:21.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah. They need a big guy.

00:41:25.26
Adz
That's it.

00:41:25.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty.

00:41:29.34
Adz
Ooh.

00:41:29.37
Russell Gibson
This one's a funny one for me too. The Wizards get Reggie Jackson. I actually think Reggie Jackson's one of those guys that is a little, he's a good, but just gets passed around like a bag of potato chips.

00:41:35.25
Adz
Sneaky. Yeah.

00:41:40.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:42.27
Russell Gibson
And the Wizards.

00:41:42.30
Adz
I find it, yeah, well, I was gonna say, oh my God, Jay Butler got traded.

00:41:48.35
Adz
It's the wrong Jay Butler.

00:41:50.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Different one.

00:41:52.83
Adz
Jared Butler.

00:41:54.33
Russell Gibson
The Wizards get a first round pick out of this. Again, that's this is what the Wizards need. They don't need to be doing anything crazy.

00:41:59.92
Adz
They don't want a bunch of, they've traded a bunch of their second rounds to upgrade to a first round pick. I think that's very clever.

00:42:05.23
Russell Gibson
Get first round picks in, get good veterans in. This is what the Wizards need. They're an absolute mess at the moment.

00:42:09.33
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:12.06
Russell Gibson
Jared Butler is a 3 and D guy. He actually, I think will help the 76ers. He's very much a Daryl Morey guy. I see that.

00:42:18.00
Adz
Okay.

00:42:19.15
Russell Gibson
I get that 100%. a 27 second, 28 second and two second round picks in 2030.

00:42:27.28
Adz
Cool.

00:42:27.46
Russell Gibson
I mean, yeah, Daryl Morey again, he loves second round picks, doesn't he?

00:42:28.23
Adz
Yeah. They're just extra chips. Just chips. Throw them in.

00:42:32.13
Russell Gibson
He just absolutely loves it.

00:42:33.92
Adz
They're just playing with extra poker chips. They sweeten deals with second round picks.

00:42:39.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The Houston Rockets received Jaden Springer a 27 second, a 20-30 second and the Celtics get a 20-31 second round pick back.

00:42:41.17
Adz
This is a funny one.

00:42:50.66
Russell Gibson
So essentially this is just a salary dump for the Celtics.

00:42:53.26
Adz
Yup. Yup.

00:42:55.48
Russell Gibson
He was a 20-21 first round pick, pick 28. The problem with the Celtics is they are absolutely loaded. It really is a ah a blessing and a curse, I think, playing on the Celtics.

00:43:08.99
Russell Gibson
This kid actually could be good, and we'll never know, basically.

00:43:09.00
Adz
For sure.

00:43:12.47
Adz
Well, yeah, that's true. <unk> We're never gonna know.

00:43:15.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:16.72
Adz
We're never gonna know.

00:43:17.08
Russell Gibson
ah Who won this trade? How much more do we break this down? I don't know.

00:43:21.26
Adz
That's not a one to really break down. I think we go to the next one.

00:43:23.17
Russell Gibson
Let's move on.

00:43:23.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:24.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:43:25.51
Adz
turn The Jaden Springer trade into an episode of Jerry Springer, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

00:43:31.00
Russell Gibson
No.

00:43:31.41
Adz
um We'll move to the... Now, Valon Shunas, this is an interesting one. Your old team, the Sacramento Kings,

00:43:35.52
Russell Gibson
All right. What? What are you talking about? They're dead to me.

00:43:40.69
Adz
Your former team, yeah, dead and buried, they got to light the beam today, um receive Jonas Valentunis and the Wizards received, is it, Citi Sisoko and two future second round picks.

00:43:42.17
Russell Gibson
ah Okay, okay.

00:43:52.08
Russell Gibson
So good. Yep.

00:43:58.05
Adz
Why didn't they just take Gabe bin gabe Vincent from the Lakers?

00:44:03.40
Adz
Why couldn't the Lakers have picked up Valentunis?

00:44:05.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. This is a really funny one for me because do the Kings actually need another big guy? I'm actually not convinced that they do.

00:44:13.88
Adz
So bonus is there, like, ah yeah, To bonus, you can stretch the floor with him, it's just fine.

00:44:16.39
Russell Gibson
If you go into King's Twitter, okay, maybe I haven't fully dumped the Kings yet. And there's some good King's podcasts out there too. So they're actually saying that ah the King's actually going to play big Uranus and also Sabonis at the same time. There's actually a little bit of legs for that because technically the best three points during the league at the moment is Sabonis.

00:44:37.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And actually Jonas will also step out and shoot that corner three a little bit too. So it's not as if you put out two big guys and then you lose all of your spacing.

00:44:41.54
Adz
It's 11 and eight, yeah.

00:44:45.22
Russell Gibson
So look, maybe there are some legs to that. Maybe he's just going to be a really good backup five, but at the same time for me, I just think there's too much overlap there.

00:44:51.85
Adz
Okay.

00:44:54.83
Russell Gibson
And wouldn't you be better off seeing what city Sisoko has got having like another athletic wing there?

00:44:59.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:01.19
Russell Gibson
I don't know. Like, so.

00:45:02.60
Adz
It's a strange one. I don't i don't see where it came was coming from. I feel like the the Wizards were just trying to even further clean up their image. Because I don't think the thirty the the someone in their early 30s is where the Kings are headed.

00:45:11.58
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:45:16.69
Adz
Sorry, the Wizards are headed.

00:45:18.45
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Why did they get him in the first place? that like That's what I would say to that.

00:45:20.38
Adz
They want some youth, they wanna, yeah.

00:45:22.57
Russell Gibson
Look, I think this is a good recovery for the Wizards. I think getting two seconds out of it, that's fantastic.

00:45:26.69
Adz
Yup.

00:45:27.90
Russell Gibson
Getting another young prospect to come in there and, you know, look, that's

00:45:29.65
Adz
Draft stock, it's all about their draft stocks, like actual tickets to play with, yeah.

00:45:34.07
Russell Gibson
I'm totally fine with that, man. Honestly, like I think it's just like, that's what they should be doing.

00:45:35.61
Adz
Mm, mm, for sure.

00:45:38.72
Russell Gibson
Maybe also the Kings didn't want the Lakers to get Jonas. Maybe they did it out of spite. I wouldn't put that past the Kings.

00:45:45.31
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's fair. See what happens.

00:45:48.02
Russell Gibson
I mean, who knows?

00:45:49.23
Adz
Yeah, no, no, that's true. Yeah, fair. The next one is, we've we've talked about this earlier. Daniel Tice has been traded to the Thunder for for cash considerations and ah actually the Pelicans gave up Tice and a second round pick for these cash considerations.

00:45:59.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:07.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:08.01
Adz
And then they and then the Thunder proceeded to to wave Tice. sorry

00:46:11.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So actually and that that's being confirmed. I'm just reading that story now.

00:46:14.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:15.17
Russell Gibson
So the other way you could look at this is that the Thunder bought a second round pick.

00:46:20.33
Adz
Yeah, they've just paid cash for your second roundut a Easy.

00:46:21.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And that is very much a ah Thunder thing to do. They very much take people into cap space, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:46:27.21
Adz
Yep.

00:46:30.04
Russell Gibson
Do that. That's fine. Yeah.

00:46:31.74
Adz
And then this is probably the last one that that that we haven't talked about. um And that was ah it was a reaction, I guess, that the second move the the Mavericks have made, First one was a little bigger, but um the Mavs received Caleb Martin from the sixes in exchange for Quinton Grimes and a 2025 second rounder.

00:46:50.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:50.73
Adz
That was, that was on the fourth of Feb. So yeah, an interesting one there.

00:47:01.74
Russell Gibson
So all right, let's let's actually summarize this trade first and then why don't we look a little bit big picture. So what's what's your sort of breakdown of this trade before we move big picture?

00:47:12.08
Adz
it I don't know why they were going into, I think they're trying to construct a very specific roster now. they're into They're definitely into win now territory and they're looking for those people with a little bit more experience. So Grimes is a bit young.

00:47:33.14
Adz
I just think Caleb Martin fits what they want what they want to do in Dallas.

00:47:36.86
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:47:37.43
Adz
They're actually trying to build a specific roster. I don't know how well that works, given Anthony Davis gets injured by imaginary stuff, if you've seen his debut.

00:47:49.47
Adz
um

00:47:53.19
Adz
But yeah, I don't know, I feel like there's a plan in Dallas, and I don't know, maybe, maybe there needs to be some kind of psych assessment.

00:47:56.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:02.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So looking at 76 is rated. is that actually these moves are for the future and it's clearing up. So now they've got $18 million dollars of cap space for next year.

00:48:14.86
Adz
Is that for the sixes?

00:48:16.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah, which looking at their cap sheet, I don't understand how that's going to work.

00:48:16.70
Adz
Yep.

00:48:22.61
Adz
I don't, I, yeah.

00:48:26.16
Adz
I don't know, the sixes.

00:48:26.59
Russell Gibson
so

00:48:30.07
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:48:30.37
Russell Gibson
Anyway, look, maybe they're going to do a Daryl Morey and pull off some insane move.

00:48:35.53
Adz
Maybe.

00:48:35.66
Russell Gibson
And this is going to look like genius, but for me, this is like, looks like a step back.

00:48:39.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:40.40
Russell Gibson
And all of these moves seem to me actually just depleted their depth a little bit. I think Caleb Martin is an NBA pro. Why are they giving up on that? I think the Mavericks losing Luca Doncic do need to fill out their roster with a deeper roster to sort of somehow get some of that talent back that they've lost.

00:48:58.22
Adz
Mmm, mmm.

00:48:59.13
Russell Gibson
And I think if you're also trading for a guy who's Anthony Davis, Luke has been injured this year, but I think, you know, the the running joke with Anthony Davis is he's injured more days than he's not.

00:49:07.99
Adz
Anthony, every other Davis, yeah.

00:49:11.10
Russell Gibson
So you need someone to back him up.

00:49:12.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:13.23
Russell Gibson
Look, I think Caleb Martin at a pinch can be the starting four. He's probably a better suited three, but you know, that's fine. ah Look, I think the Mavericks

00:49:21.94
Adz
I don't know, I don't, I don't see, yeah. I think they're trying to plot some stuff out, but I don't know.

00:49:26.51
Russell Gibson
The Mavericks win this trade, but at the same time, did we talk about Niko getting security?

00:49:26.58
Adz
I actually don't know.

00:49:30.12
Adz
Why?

00:49:33.28
Adz
Not yet, I was gonna say, we given this is the last trade we haven't really reported in on, we could take a break now and then deep dive into the the Mavericks a little bit, if you like.

00:49:38.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:41.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. All right. So I'll just finish this off. I'll just say, look, I think the Mavs have won this trade now, but actually what we should probably be looking at is the bigger picture. Maybe the 76ers win the bigger picture trade because they carve out future cap space.

00:49:50.81
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:52.68
Russell Gibson
Anyway, yep.

00:49:53.69
Adz
Yeah, spot on.

00:49:56.87
Russell Gibson
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00:50:53.64
Russell Gibson
There is a submission form for you to fill out. Ross is actively seeking people to submit cards to. All righty. Adam, we're back. How are you doing, buddy? Are you ready for the the home stretch?

00:51:03.81
Adz
I'm, I'm, I'm ready for the home stretch. We've gone through a lot of trades tonight. It was, it was a very, it was a very active trade period.

00:51:08.50
Russell Gibson
It's been fun. This is, this is my wheelhouse. This is absolutely.

00:51:12.33
Adz
And I think there's a lot going on in the NBA.

00:51:12.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:15.08
Adz
So the second half of the season is definitely going to be interesting. Next weekend is obviously all-star weekend, which is going to be awkward for a lot of teams, but yeah, it's going to be a fun weekend and then into the season.

00:51:19.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I feel reinvigorated. Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:27.14
Adz
Sure.

00:51:28.62
Russell Gibson
Uh, hornet swap picks with the thunder a 29 second round via the suns.

00:51:36.47
Russell Gibson
is what the Hornets receive and the Thunder get a 20-30 conditional second round pick via the Nuggets.

00:51:40.78
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:51:42.17
Russell Gibson
Okay, that one is way over my head. I'm just going to let that one go. Can we actually recap the Spurs Kings trade? Because this is actually seems to be a bit more padded out than what we talked about the other day.

00:51:50.91
Adz
Sure.

00:51:54.37
Adz
Well, we were doing it on the emergency pod frequency.

00:51:57.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:57.46
Adz
um Actually, before we do that, maybe I'll give a quick plug to the the YouTube. We're still, I think we're four subscribers away from our milestone.

00:52:04.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we're so close.

00:52:06.48
Adz
it's It's so close, but those emergency pods were put up as vods as well, where we broke all that down, live and in the moment, as they happened.

00:52:07.13
Russell Gibson
We're so close.

00:52:13.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we got 146.

00:52:16.32
Adz
So i was it was, yeah, we got 146. If you haven't subscribed to our YouTube channel yet um and you'd like to support the show, we would absolutely love it um if you jump onto YouTube. You don't have to click the bell for notifications, but hitting that subscribe button really shows your support for our show and the work we do and the content we make. And yeah, we're looking forward to giving away a box of cards.

00:52:40.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:41.38
Adz
So I just thought I'd, yeah, shout that out, we're so close.

00:52:44.25
Russell Gibson
Thank you.

00:52:44.34
Adz
um some some good Some good engagement there on on YouTube with people leaving comments.

00:52:49.05
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:52:50.64
Adz
Shout out to Anthony Mellon who loves to to to throw in a comment here and there. And yeah, it's great to see the support on YouTube.

00:52:56.67
Russell Gibson
Bit more than here and there.

00:52:58.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:58.67
Russell Gibson
He's huge.

00:53:01.52
Adz
All right, let's go back to the Fox trade.

00:53:02.24
Russell Gibson
Where were we?

00:53:03.57
Adz
The Fox trade, let's recap the Fox trade.

00:53:03.72
Russell Gibson
Right. Fox trade. Spurs get Fox, Jordan McLaughlin, the Kings get Zach Levine, Sidi Sisoko who's already been moved on, a 25 first via the Hornets, 27 first via the Spurs, a 20-31 first via the Wolves, 25 second from the Bulls, a 28 second from the Nuggets, a 28 second from the Bulls, the Bulls get Zach Collins, Kevin Huerta, Trey Jones, and a first round pick from the Spurs in 25.

00:53:36.99
Russell Gibson
So look, that that's right.

00:53:38.76
Adz
but you you you Wait, Spurs also received Russell Gibson as ah as a supporter. um And then the Kings gave up.

00:53:45.23
Russell Gibson
Go Spurs, go.

00:53:46.27
Adz
Yeah, that's it.

00:53:46.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, that's, it's not the best return for Zach Levine. Is it like only one first round pick particularly?

00:53:56.76
Russell Gibson
to The Luka traded to really change the landscape and what you should get back for a ah star player, hasn't it?

00:54:03.17
Adz
It's it's

00:54:03.28
Russell Gibson
Because then you sort of say, well, that's actually the same amount of draft equity as what the Mavs got back for Luka. Or was that just gross negligence?

00:54:08.95
Adz
Is it though? Yeah.

00:54:11.26
Russell Gibson
but

00:54:11.89
Adz
Well, there's there's a quote there's questions around that, but I think it's different to each circumstance and how bad the teams involved want it, what works for it the and the money. And I don't know, it's a bit crazy.

00:54:22.18
Adz
Cause I look at those picks and I'm like, are the Spurs picks going to be any good?

00:54:28.94
Russell Gibson
The Spurs pick this year, I think will be if that's unprotected, that will be pretty decent.

00:54:33.43
Adz
yeah Okay. But now the Spurs are starting to push in to try and win. They're not going to be in the lottery anymore.

00:54:39.62
Russell Gibson
I was actually going to say it'll be a lottery pick.

00:54:43.59
Adz
I reckon the Spurs are trying to get in. So yeah, it'll be...

00:54:49.52
Adz
ah I don't know.

00:54:49.57
Russell Gibson
All right, let's take a quick look at the standings. So in the West.

00:54:54.59
Adz
Oh, at the moment, the the Spurs aren't looking great.

00:54:57.08
Russell Gibson
Thunder, grizzlies, nuggets, Lakers, rockets. the Rockets have actually come down a little bit, but are still dominating.

00:55:02.10
Adz
They're on a seven game losing streak, aren't they?

00:55:04.24
Russell Gibson
The wolves have had a huge bounce back. So the last 10 are eight and two. Clippers, Mavericks, Kings, Suns, then the Warriors, and then the Spurs.

00:55:10.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:14.39
Russell Gibson
So I think for the Spurs, the leapfrog, the Warriors, Suns, Kings, Mavericks, and Clippers, man, that's gonna be tough.

00:55:14.40
Adz
and Okay.

00:55:23.69
Russell Gibson
that That's a huge ask, and there's still four games behind the Warriors. So that will be a decent pick add.

00:55:28.22
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:31.45
Adz
yeah guy Okay.

00:55:31.50
Russell Gibson
Let's just assume it's unprotected. So that's not a terrible pick up for the Bulls. Actually, that is redeeming in my mind. Yeah.

00:55:42.41
Adz
I don't know, i'm in interested but it is interesting, especially with picks that are, I get worried when it talks about 2027 or 2031 or, do you know what I mean? Like it's it's so far down the track, you don't know what the landscape of the league looks like.

00:55:52.32
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:55:57.29
Adz
And you are, you're literally rolling dice on these things.

00:55:59.70
Russell Gibson
Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So that the 28 second from the Nuggets and Bulls, who knows what's going to be.

00:56:04.87
Adz
Mm, mm.

00:56:06.08
Russell Gibson
like I mean, look, the 20 second from the Spurs, you're not counting on anything awesome coming back.

00:56:11.86
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fair, fair.

00:56:12.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:13.86
Adz
I mean, it's, yeah, unpacking this one's an interesting one. I'm just thinking ahead to the Luca trade and I'm like, you know what, Max Christie's actually not a bad little throw in to to to level up the

00:56:23.00
Russell Gibson
Sure. So let's talk about that. So if you want to hear more about the Fox trade, listen to episode 148. If you want to hear more about the Luka trade, listen to 182.

00:56:32.08
Adz
Yep.

00:56:32.32
Russell Gibson
So let's, let's just quickly read through the Luka trade. Lakers get Luka, Kleber, Markeef Morris. The Mavs get Anthony Davis, Max Christie, 29 first.

00:56:44.62
Russell Gibson
Utah gets Jalen Hood, Shafino, 25 second and a 25 second from the Clippers. Yeah. So I think you're the most qualified person to speak about all of this.

00:56:52.90
Adz
Um, I think that, I mean, Kleber and Morris are just pieces that Dallas needed to make the salary work. But as far as Max Christie, he's had a sneaky good season.

00:57:04.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:57:05.34
Adz
Um, so to get, obviously Anthony Davis and Luca Doncic are the key pieces here. And the question is how far a difference is it between Davis and Luca? Now, no, no, as far as value-wise on the court.

00:57:19.17
Adz
Lucas touted as one of those top three to five players that cannot be traded or untradeable. So to have, well, everyone assumed he was gonna be untradeable, but it's such a hype asset.

00:57:28.58
Russell Gibson
I assumed he was untradable. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:34.44
Adz
They've made the call to trade. Anthony Davis, he's not he's not like, Do you know what I mean? Like he's not boiled lollies. hes He's a very, very serviceable big, one of the best bigs in the league.

00:57:49.32
Adz
And on his day, he's ah a great defensive player. So Max Christie's in like year two or three.

00:57:52.57
Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:57:56.53
Adz
And he's actually showing quite putting up some seriously good numbers. He's, Dallas debut was very good, very solid game um against the Rockets as well. Like Max Christie can ball.

00:58:07.53
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:58:08.78
Adz
And to throw in another a first round pick here, I don't think it's all that off balance. I just think the the you've needed to put these three. And honestly, I wouldn't even consider Kleber and Morris part of this trade. like They don't factor at that level. But I think Max Christie is a solid role player. like I think he can be a starting guard.

00:58:34.32
Russell Gibson
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I think where my, so,

00:58:37.59
Adz
But Luca, but the the question is where, bit Luca is this one giant piece.

00:58:43.80
Russell Gibson
okay. My, my response to this is if this was in your fantasy league and it was a keeper league and you're the commissioner and it was AD for, for Lucas straight up, would you veto the trade or would you let it go through?

00:58:49.51
Adz
Mm-hmm. Would you veto it?

00:58:59.01
Adz
I'd have concerns around it.

00:59:00.48
Russell Gibson
Right. So that's, that's kind of where I'm at too.

00:59:03.44
Adz
But I think Anthony Davis Max Cristina first rounder for Luca is fine.

00:59:03.54
Russell Gibson
And then also,

00:59:09.40
Adz
It's not smart for the Mavericks, but it's...

00:59:12.62
Russell Gibson
I think they should have gotten at least five picks back. Like, look at what the, look at what the King's, Adam, Adam, look at what the King's got back.

00:59:16.85
Adz
No, no way. anthonyy date The Lakers gave up four picks to get Davis.

00:59:23.30
Russell Gibson
Look at what the King's got back for Fox.

00:59:24.00
Adz
Davis is worth four picks, but Davis is worth four picks.

00:59:26.40
Russell Gibson
A 25 first, a 27 first, a 31 first, and three seconds, right?

00:59:32.21
Adz
Wait, go back to the Anthony Davis trade.

00:59:32.38
Russell Gibson
Look at what, look at what the Jazz got back for Rudy Gobert. And then look at what the Mavs got back for Luca.

00:59:43.48
Russell Gibson
Like it's. It's criminal. So I think the second thing I have to say to this is what is this trade going to look like in five years?

00:59:47.49
Adz
Pelicans.

00:59:54.60
Russell Gibson
The argument could be made. Anthony Davis has washed up all of his little injuries have caught up with him. He's not even in the league anymore.

01:00:02.55
Adz
Right.

01:00:02.57
Russell Gibson
I don't think he's I don't think he's that type of guy who like lives and lives and dies for basketball.

01:00:03.87
Adz
No, no, but for context, but for context, what did the Lakers pay to get Anthony Davis?

01:00:09.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:13.61
Adz
Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, ah and a number of picks.

01:00:16.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:22.05
Adz
So he Anthony Davis comes with a giant price on his own.

01:00:27.96
Adz
I'm saying Lucas is only a bit higher. Look at, you take Anthony Davis out of the trade and I give four picks for him, sure. But you don't, Anthony Davis is already worth three or four first round picks.

01:00:39.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:40.95
Adz
Same thing if you put Kevin Durano.

01:00:44.68
Adz
say Say it's the Suns and not the Lakers, right?

01:00:47.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:49.24
Adz
And it's Nurkic and ah whatever, name it name a random low value Suns player and they go Kevin Durant and a first round pick for Luca.

01:00:56.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:03.78
Adz
Does that get vetoed? Anthony Davis is a top 10 to 15 player. He's not a 20 to 30, he's top 20.

01:01:10.82
Russell Gibson
just

01:01:14.36
Russell Gibson
I just, I don't have a problem with Anthony Davis per se. That's not what my issue is. My issue is that I just don't think they got enough future assets back with someone who's as young as what he is, right? Okay.

01:01:24.53
Russell Gibson
Now this is, this is a joke, but you know sometimes when jokes tell you the truth. So this is a guy called at Moneyball Memes.

01:01:31.83
Adz
Oh no.

01:01:31.99
Russell Gibson
And it's got, it's got Billy Bean sitting at the desk and it's got that amazing stats, you know, wizard.

01:01:38.71
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:01:39.51
Russell Gibson
Have you seen Moneyball, right?

01:01:40.69
Adz
Yeah!

01:01:40.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Billy, this is Luca Doncic. He's a top five player in the NBA and he can be an all time great. His defect is he gets a little bit chunky sometimes. This guy should cost us our entire roster and 10 firsts, but we can get in for just Anthony Davis.

01:01:55.73
Russell Gibson
And I feel like this is the funniest NBA meme joke, maybe of all time. And the reason why it's so funny, cause it's true. Do you know what I mean? Like it should have been AD plus 10 picks.

01:02:06.40
Adz
Right, so if Anthony Davis is being traded to another team, what does he get in return?

01:02:06.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:14.19
Adz
But that's what I'm saying. Everyone would be like, oh my God, what? you they you They only got four first round picks back for Anthony Davis?

01:02:21.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:22.51
Adz
That's insane. Like I'm saying that AD's worth has his own value in picks. I'm not saying that they got, they didn't, they did fleece the Mavericks.

01:02:28.11
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:02:33.10
Russell Gibson
The Mavericks muck this up so badly, like all they had to do was just.

01:02:36.48
Adz
Agreed, but I don't think it's three picks different. You had to orchestrate a different trade to get that kind, to get it off OKC and get, say, their bucket of 15 picks, right?

01:02:48.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:50.88
Adz
Who do they give up to do that?

01:02:53.01
Russell Gibson
Can you imagine if they somehow put Shay and Luca together?

01:02:56.52
Adz
Imagine they'd gone, ah, Chet's healthy, let's get rid of him.

01:02:59.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:00.15
Adz
Send him over.

01:03:01.02
Russell Gibson
Chet and 20 picks.

01:03:02.95
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:04.02
Russell Gibson
I actually feel like the Mavericks fans will be...

01:03:04.64
Adz
But it's, but without the quality player, that's when you get the more picks. And that's what most trades happen is one superstar goes over in a bucket of eggs with some picks on it, go the other way.

01:03:14.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

01:03:16.56
Adz
Anthony Davis isn't an egg. He's, you know what I mean? Like he's fragile. um I'll give it that, but he's true.

01:03:21.90
Russell Gibson
He's older and he's fragile. Yeah. So I think that's where my issue lies is the age difference. So let's recap this in five years and see where we're standing. Right. I think that's, that's the thing.

01:03:30.90
Adz
True.

01:03:32.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think this nonsense that the narrative that Nico was trying to portray was like, oh, defense wins championships and, you know, we're going to win the championship this year. Like, come on, like hold tight, Nico.

01:03:42.27
Adz
He's honestly, Niko was just, Niko was just playing games on 2K and thought, oh, you know what? I need Anthony Davis on my team traded for it. Don't know how we got it through. Cause the game didn't even allow it.

01:03:53.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:53.15
Adz
He goes, well, I'll see if I can get it done. But yeah, I don't doubt that they the the Lakers win this trade.

01:04:01.24
Russell Gibson
I think now's the perfect time to also say to people that, uh, Nico has now hired a full-time security guard cause he's been getting death threats.

01:04:07.95
Adz
He's been death threats.

01:04:09.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:09.66
Adz
That's insane.

01:04:10.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah. People have been protesting outside the Mavericks thing. They've given up this their season tickets.

01:04:16.91
Adz
Rob Polinka's not issuing any death threats.

01:04:17.19
Russell Gibson
Um, yeah.

01:04:19.64
Adz
He's quite happy with the trade.

01:04:21.19
Russell Gibson
So ESPN. Tim McMahon actually said, look, lines are being crossed. and And I think that's absolutely right. You know, I think people should not be making death threats like it's, it's just basketball guys.

01:04:29.38
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

01:04:32.31
Russell Gibson
I look, I accept you're upset all that type of stuff, but geez, enough with the death threats.

01:04:36.11
Adz
Like they're they're protesting out the side of the, the yeah, I know.

01:04:39.81
Russell Gibson
Oh man, we've still got so many more trades to get through. All right. Should we just read these off really quickly in this and then we do.

01:04:44.09
Adz
I can read the ones that are before the Luca trade are just sort of, they've already happened.

01:04:49.86
Russell Gibson
Okay. So you reckon that's it?

01:04:50.51
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, look, we can, we can recap it quickly.

01:04:51.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:53.45
Adz
Like a brief clipper, like Tucker going to the, um, jazz. He's been waved, hasn't he?

01:04:59.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's already been traded again.

01:05:00.94
Adz
um Same as Mo Bamba.

01:05:01.16
Russell Gibson
So, yeah, Nick Richards, it's gone to the Suns.

01:05:01.86
Adz
Like the jazz are just helping people. Patty, Patty Mills is going to the Clippers.

01:05:07.82
Russell Gibson
Patty Mills to the, yeah, the Hornets get Josh Okoge.

01:05:11.09
Adz
Yep.

01:05:12.29
Russell Gibson
The Lakers get Dorian Finney Smith and Shaq Milton. Dan Jela Russell goes down there. Yeah, so we're going pretty far back in time.

01:05:17.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's back to the end of the year.

01:05:18.09
Russell Gibson
So that's pretty much, that's the whole trade deadline, isn't it? look

01:05:21.04
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:22.13
Russell Gibson
Adam, thank you for a fantastic episode. Thank you for letting me go through every single trade.

01:05:24.65
Adz
That was awesome.

01:05:26.78
Russell Gibson
This has been awesome. I was actually really looking for tonight's show just to do that. So thanks everyone for listening. Thank you to our Central Coast radio listeners.

01:05:35.18
Adz
Listeners, me too, me too.

01:05:35.82
Russell Gibson
We appreciate you.

01:05:39.46
Adz
And we'll see we'll ah we'll see you all next week.

01:05:45.30
Russell Gibson
Do you want me to keep this recording? So we do

01:05:47.65
Adz
Yeah, you can keep this recording and you can, can you just split it off?

01:05:51.09
Russell Gibson
I can split it off, but if we want to...

01:05:52.40
Adz
That's fine.

01:05:54.79
Adz
No, I've already ended the live.

01:05:56.27
Russell Gibson
Oh, you've ended the live.

01:05:57.33
Adz
I've ended the live. We can keep going in this end car. So if you want to do it that way, or we can do it the other way, it's up late.

01:06:00.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's fine. Yep.

01:06:03.39
Adz
I can clip it off all.

01:06:04.73
Russell Gibson
No, that's fine.

01:06:04.76
Adz
Yeah. Cool. And do you want to just do the intro just to, yep.

01:06:08.15
Russell Gibson
So... Yep.

01:06:09.92
Adz
So we're going to call this episode 187 or are we going to, what is it?

01:06:14.67
Russell Gibson
Sorry, can I just have two seconds?

01:06:16.06
Adz
Yeah. 187.

01:06:18.48
Russell Gibson
because um

01:06:23.99
Russell Gibson
Sorry, I can't do two things at once. It's one of my it's one of my many flaws, Adam. All right, so this is going to be episode 187.

01:06:32.62
Adz
Yep.

01:06:34.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And we're going to call this a new segment called Timeless Moments.

01:06:38.06
Adz
Quick header for the, yep.

01:06:39.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And we won't even do the sound in, we'll just be like, welcome. but and Yeah.

01:06:45.76
Adz
Okay, because because we'll we so we'll do the normal episode will air tomorrow.

01:06:50.80
Russell Gibson
Mm hmm.

01:06:52.11
Adz
And then what Wednesday this will come out yet.

01:06:53.05
Russell Gibson
or tonight. Yeah, I'll just release this on yeah Wednesday.

01:06:55.86
Adz
Wednesday or something. Give it a few days and then Yeah, cool. All right.

01:06:59.78
Russell Gibson
yep

01:07:00.21
Adz
So just start with welcome to Episode 187.

01:07:03.74
Russell Gibson
yeah Welcome to a new segment.

01:07:04.74
Adz
Yep.

01:07:07.07
Russell Gibson
We're doing timeless moments. yeah No, I reckon we just like get into it.

01:07:08.48
Adz
Yep. All right. And we're not gonna play the music. Just just hit the ground running.

01:07:15.55
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:07:15.91
Adz
Cool.

01:07:16.53
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:07:17.37
Adz
All right. Welcome everybody to episode 187 of the You Can't Cop This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson, and we are here with a new segment, a new quick hitter.

01:07:36.03
Adz
It is, what do we call this? Timeless moments.

01:07:38.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:39.34
Adz
Come at us, Panini, come at us.

01:07:41.04
Russell Gibson
Suez.

01:07:43.01
Adz
Please don't invite that.

01:07:46.70
Adz
You can come for us, I don't want to sue us.

01:07:51.38
Adz
Yeah, so this this week we're gonna, it's gonna be, we're gonna start, we're gonna do, it'll be 10 to 15 minutes, won't be long, even though we do like to segue. We're gonna try to stay on topic. And today's first topic or today's topic is the the Backyard Breaks debacle. What do you wanna call it? Like it's a controversy, it's a,

01:08:15.50
Adz
Outrage, Yeah.

01:08:19.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I think just to add on to what you're saying, the idea of this segment is that it will be a bit more timeless so that you can actually go back and listen to this say in a month's time or in two months time, as opposed to our other content that we make our weekly content that's more current news up to date and in a week's time or two weeks time or three weeks time, it's what's the point of listening to what the NBA has already moved on.

01:08:34.23
Adz
Point of time. Yeah.

01:08:41.30
Russell Gibson
So that's the sort of the idea behind this segment. We'll see how it goes. The very short segments that we've been doing for the trade podcast ah have done very well. So I think that's the other reason for us to try and look at doing some shorter content in addition to our longer content.

01:08:53.03
Adz
Mm-hmm. Just some different stuff. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:57.50
Russell Gibson
So um why don't we start with just recapping what happened with with Backyard Breaks?

01:08:59.21
Adz
Definitely, definitely.

01:09:03.59
Russell Gibson
I think before we get into sort of the the second or the new news around Backyard Breaks, why don't we just recap for people that might not have heard about it and so they can sort of get their head around

01:09:09.13
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:15.18
Russell Gibson
what's been happening.

01:09:15.45
Adz
I create, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:15.66
Russell Gibson
So I think the way that I would summarize is that Izzy made extremely black remarks or and or black comedy around

01:09:27.06
Adz
It was, it was not, um...

01:09:29.67
Russell Gibson
around prostituting his daughter and getting her a OnlyFans page and silicon implants to enhance her, enhance her earnings.

01:09:37.13
Adz
Was it at the age of six or something? Was it?

01:09:41.18
Russell Gibson
And so it wasn't very well received throughout the hobby.

01:09:42.52
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:46.27
Russell Gibson
And the general consensus was is there's not there's no place in a hobby for that.

01:09:51.00
Adz
Not at all.

01:09:52.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:09:52.18
Adz
No, not at all.

01:09:53.60
Russell Gibson
And I think if we're being I think if we're being realistic about backyard breaks is that they've often been line steppers in a multitude of different things.

01:10:03.67
Russell Gibson
And I'd also say too, they haven't been afraid to step away from controversy in that they probably know that controversy brings them clicks and brings them a little bit of notoriety and increases the air time that they will then receive from people.

01:10:15.35
Adz
Yep.

01:10:20.45
Russell Gibson
So I think we should probably

01:10:21.46
Adz
Well, all publicity is good publicity, right?

01:10:23.39
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

01:10:23.62
Adz
Apparently.

01:10:23.83
Russell Gibson
And I think that is like one, if I've learned one thing from doing podcasts is that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Even if someone is saying that you're crap, it means they're listening to your content and they're either, that's right.

01:10:30.91
Adz
Yeah.

01:10:34.99
Adz
They're taking the time to interacting with your content. So.

01:10:38.27
Russell Gibson
They're engaging with you on on some level. So I think that's probably like what I've learned.

01:10:40.01
Adz
Hmm.

01:10:41.59
Russell Gibson
And I would, I would bet that's what backyard breaks is depending on in that particular instance. I think

01:10:48.01
Adz
Yeah.

01:10:48.35
Russell Gibson
Maybe the most famous one for me that they did is when they did that giveaway, they did a giveaway and when a fantastic card came out of it, they basically reneged on it.

01:10:56.49
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:57.46
Russell Gibson
And then they ran this whole, you could call it a scam or you could call it ah a shtick where they pretended to be the person who received the card and call up and then on air, try and like smooth the whole thing out.

01:10:57.57
Adz
to

01:11:10.13
Russell Gibson
Like the whole thing was just an absolute shit show.

01:11:10.34
Adz
Yeah, yeah, it was it was rubbish.

01:11:12.90
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:11:12.92
Adz
Yeah, and there's a thing like, ah like we understand it, I understand the hype, the reactions, the the ah trying to push and be a bit controversial, but there's some lines, they are, they and they're great, but the concern there is they are so like good at what they do, they're on everybody's screen.

01:11:14.01
Russell Gibson
So.

01:11:23.16
Russell Gibson
And they are the Kings, by the way. Yeah.

01:11:35.45
Adz
So there's certain lines that you just don't cross and they, and and

01:11:38.81
Russell Gibson
Well, they crossed the line and took a turd on it.

01:11:42.09
Adz
the The public,

01:11:44.10
Russell Gibson
I think if we're being realistic, that's really what happened.

01:11:45.80
Adz
they were it was deplorable behavior.

01:11:47.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:11:47.84
Adz
and i don't it's There's a difference between ah attention seeking and what they've done.

01:11:48.09
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:11:52.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

01:11:53.84
Adz
and And I think that goes beyond just random antics for for clicks.

01:11:59.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:11:59.57
Adz
and And I think that you don't make there are certain things you just don't make jokes about in that in that sense.

01:12:03.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:12:05.27
Adz
so

01:12:06.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, yeah there's a time and place for everything and that is just, that's not the right time.

01:12:12.19
Adz
Not while you've got lots of viewers and yeah.

01:12:12.51
Russell Gibson
He didn't pick his, yeah, and children's on the stream and he didn't pick his right audience.

01:12:16.09
Adz
Yep.

01:12:16.90
Russell Gibson
I think that's what we can probably all agree on.

01:12:17.89
Adz
Correct. Correct. Yep.

01:12:20.25
Russell Gibson
So yeah, but last week when we did discuss this, I think the thing that we talked about was how should this be managed and how should this be managed, you know, going into the future. And so I think we had different opinions, but you were talking about workplace behavior.

01:12:35.59
Adz
Yep.

01:12:36.49
Russell Gibson
um I was talking about a higher percentage of income to be taken away by what not to backyard breaks.

01:12:42.25
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:42.58
Russell Gibson
And then internally, backyard breaks should manage him and probably that's actually how it played out. So they got the one day, the 24 hour suspension of whatnot, which I think a lot of people sort of push back on, but then when you multiply that out by the hundred people that they employ, that's a hundred salaries you have to pay for one day without any revenue coming in at all.

01:12:51.10
Adz
Yeah.

01:13:04.80
Russell Gibson
So that's actually, that's a very stiff penalty.

01:13:05.45
Adz
Yeah.

01:13:07.77
Russell Gibson
That could be you know a million dollar penalty, um which I think is is reasonable and you know they they had to be penalized.

01:13:11.31
Adz
Yeah, that's pretty insane.

01:13:15.28
Adz
Mm-hmm. Punishment's gotta fit the crime, right?

01:13:17.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And look, I'm definitely not sympathizing you know for them, but I would also say too, you know it's you do have to multiply it out over that sort of larger scale.

01:13:19.20
Adz
Yep.

01:13:26.99
Adz
yeah

01:13:27.47
Russell Gibson
And then the internal management part, look, I had the feeling of that's what it had to be, but did I expect that's what the outcome was going to be? Absolutely not.

01:13:35.43
Adz
Yep.

01:13:35.46
Russell Gibson
So this is from Backyard Breaks Instagram.

01:13:36.02
Adz
Yeah.

01:13:38.86
Russell Gibson
I'm just going to read the whole thing. Backyard Breaks is built around an inclusive community that welcomes all sports fans and collectors.

01:13:40.23
Adz
yeah

01:13:45.46
Russell Gibson
The recent comments shared by Grant and Bugsy do not align with the core values and principles upheld by our leadership, nor do they reflect the 100-plus team members who we proudly consider a family.

01:13:56.10
Russell Gibson
This moment does not reflect how we conduct ourselves as an organization, nor the care and professionalism our breakers consistently demonstrate.

01:14:00.63
Adz
Yeah. Good.

01:14:04.76
Russell Gibson
We are thoroughly reviewing our streaming practices and implementing new internal policies to ensure this does not happen again to our community. Please know we are taking this seriously and continue to improve every day. So I think that is a pretty decent response.

01:14:23.15
Adz
It's a good response, but I'm curious to see what that looks like.

01:14:27.82
Russell Gibson
So then that was followed up.

01:14:28.48
Adz
Because i'm I was going to say, I'm i'm used to to to people blowing smoke, right?

01:14:33.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so Grant followed that up. I would like to sincerely apologize about the comments I made on stream Tuesday. My words and actions were completely inappropriate and to say I crossed the line is an understatement.

01:14:44.76
Russell Gibson
There's absolutely no excuse for what I said. An apology alone isn't enough.

01:14:48.35
Adz
Yep.

01:14:48.52
Russell Gibson
I'll be taking some time off and stepping away from the backyard breaks to reflect on my actions and I will be seeking help. to hold myself accountable moving forward. I need to be better plain and simple. I need to be more aware of my words and actions and that my words reach many people.

01:15:04.35
Russell Gibson
to the community that is in my stream every day. You know my heart. You know this is not who I am. To those I've disappointed, I hear you. I understand your frustration, and I am truly sorry to everyone, including those who have been hurt or offended by my comments. I offer my deepest apologies. Thank you, Grant. So I'll turn this over to you. I think it's great to hear your perspective in this space.

01:15:28.22
Adz
Yeah, look, i think I think this is the very minimum that needed to be done.

01:15:33.08
Russell Gibson
OK.

01:15:33.32
Adz
um And once again, like I'm gonna double down on, I wanna see what this looks like moving forward.

01:15:42.08
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:15:42.74
Adz
um I think it's very, it's good. and It shows the accountability factor, which is exactly what I was looking for, some level of accountability to to the wrongdoing.

01:15:49.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:15:51.87
Adz
We'll see how it's handled as far as him stepping away and looking to get help and all that.

01:15:56.66
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:15:57.33
Adz
We'll see what happens when he comes back, right? And we'll see what Backyard Breaks does in that space of, if in three months time there's an incident where they've pushed the line again,

01:16:11.19
Adz
Then we go, this is all nonsense written by legal to tick a box. Do you know what I mean?

01:16:17.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah, of course.

01:16:17.67
Adz
Like you but you need to see the behavior. So you got to wait and say, okay, we hear you.

01:16:21.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

01:16:24.46
Adz
We appreciate you've handled the matter. Let's see if your content reflects that.

01:16:29.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

01:16:30.14
Adz
And and that's it. you just you just You just hope nobody does anything stupid and makes another comment like that.

01:16:36.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think if you're known as a ah perpetual line stepper, that is also the risk that you take is that you can step too far. So I think we should probably we should probably start there.

01:16:44.48
Adz
It's true. It's true. You ignore it. Yeah, but that's fine.

01:16:46.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:16:47.32
Adz
But it's if you've discovered the line and they've put a line in the sand and said, this is not acceptable, right?

01:16:48.75
Russell Gibson
But they're known for their.

01:16:53.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:16:54.23
Adz
If they come back and make another and and this is the these are the things I'll be looking for is Flip in comments to make fun of this situation, as in, the reaction is, ha ha, we gotta slap on the wrist, and making fun of the fact that, you know what, we're really still doing what we're doing, we just ticked our box.

01:17:04.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:17:12.98
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:17:13.15
Adz
And there's ways that people are smug about things.

01:17:14.59
Russell Gibson
Sure. so

01:17:17.01
Adz
You know what I mean? and it'll And it'll come out in the content.

01:17:17.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, for real. Yeah. Look, sure. So I would say I probably think in my head, this is going in a different direction to what maybe you're painting.

01:17:27.90
Russell Gibson
And the reason I said is because we've now had three responses. Whatnot has responded.

01:17:31.89
Adz
True, true.

01:17:32.84
Russell Gibson
Backyard breaks has responded. And then also Grant has to. And so that's that's different.

01:17:36.35
Adz
I feel like you're right. it's They realize how serious it is.

01:17:39.91
Russell Gibson
That's right. That's different to just whatnot responding and doing something.

01:17:42.88
Adz
Can I can i contextualize that what I'm saying is, if it a Joel Embiid like comment comes up in one of their breaks, I mean, I'll go back to what I mean by that, but in one of their breaks, then I'm gonna raise an eyebrow.

01:17:43.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:17:46.10
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

01:17:53.46
Russell Gibson
Mm.

01:17:56.21
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:17:56.82
Adz
And the Joel Embiid comment was, you looked really good today, Joel. He goes, yeah, I was scared I was gonna get traded. And this is after the Luca Doncic comment, right?

01:18:03.42
Russell Gibson
Mm.

01:18:04.25
Adz
After the trade.

01:18:05.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:18:06.15
Adz
If you know what I mean? That smart-ass tongue-in-cheek, oh, I wouldn't wanna get taken off the air for for talking about the wrong thing. If they do if they make a smart-ass jab at it, that is exactly the kind of content where you know it's a slap on the wrist and it's all public face work.

01:18:14.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

01:18:24.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look.

01:18:29.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, um what I'm about to say here is it's not supported by any evidence at all. um This is pure like conjecture for me. But I think the canceling part is probably also important too, because maybe there's something going on for the guy.

01:18:40.21
Adz
A grade, a grade, a grade, a grade.

01:18:41.81
Russell Gibson
Like it's kind of it's a pretty unhinged thing to say. So maybe he's dealing with

01:18:44.57
Adz
And, and exactly that. Yeah.

01:18:47.43
Russell Gibson
some type of illness, maybe he is dealing with some type of substance ingestion.

01:18:47.76
Adz
Sure.

01:18:51.47
Russell Gibson
Again, I'm completely speculating here. ah This is not fact.

01:18:53.75
Adz
Yeah.

01:18:55.12
Russell Gibson
I'm just saying, you know, maybe he actually is dealing with something.

01:18:56.48
Adz
Yeah.

01:18:58.34
Russell Gibson
And so this is actually the perfect time to say, look, actually, things at home for me aren't great. I need some time off. I need to go and talk to a counselor, get my shit back together and I'll come back to work.

01:19:05.05
Adz
Go and do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do that.

01:19:08.38
Russell Gibson
And so look,

01:19:09.16
Adz
ah Agreed. Agreed.

01:19:09.98
Russell Gibson
I think we can all either say either we know that's we know someone who's like that or we've been in that place ourselves. Like, you know, sometimes you just, you know, you need some R and&R from, you know, what is work.

01:19:16.44
Adz
For sure.

01:19:19.82
Adz
Yeah, you need to take just take a break from work.

01:19:22.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:19:22.20
Adz
um And and look look, I don't want it to seem like I'm like, this isn't accountable enough, all the rest of it. I'm saying, wait wait we've said, you've screwed up, you've acknowledged it.

01:19:27.68
Russell Gibson
No, no, I think it's good to paint that perspective. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:19:34.52
Adz
Backyard breaks, back on the air, all good. This guy's taking a break. All right, let's see what that looks like like. But we're watching you. And if you do think this is just a joke and to decide to take the piss out of it,

01:19:46.88
Adz
you'll be held accountable for it.

01:19:48.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think the other thing that's a little bit interesting too is that I think trading cards really is a subculture.

01:19:54.28
Adz
For sure.

01:19:54.50
Russell Gibson
And so when I say subculture, it's not something that's particularly in the mainstream. Like if you interview 100 people on the street, how many of those people are going to be collecting trading cards, maybe two to three to four to five, something in that range, like I think a very small percentage of the population collect cards.

01:20:06.95
Adz
Yeah.

01:20:10.24
Adz
Yeah, true.

01:20:10.45
Russell Gibson
And so I think that also attracts maybe people that you might describe as nerds or maybe they're not jocks or

01:20:18.47
Adz
socially awkward.

01:20:19.50
Russell Gibson
may be socially awkward. So I think also too, you know, the outrage that these people have expressed is probably a good representation of who are the people actually in the hobby. And so maybe that's something that actually, look, backyard breaks have brought a lot of people into the hobby.

01:20:34.50
Adz
Hmm.

01:20:34.67
Russell Gibson
And I think they've done a lot of good things and I'm not trying to discount that, but, you know, also to the core people of hobby are probably, uh, and I'm, I'm including myself in this conversation, a bunch of fucking nerds, man.

01:20:46.42
Russell Gibson
And so, yeah.

01:20:46.51
Adz
It's true, but there's still, for what was said, there's still no place for it.

01:20:50.03
Russell Gibson
No, no, of course, but that's what I'm...

01:20:51.28
Adz
Doesn't matter what if you're a nerd or a jock or what.

01:20:53.69
Russell Gibson
No, but no, no, no, and I agree with you, but what I'm trying to say is, of course, people are going to be outraged about this and and and come together as a community, ah create the petition.

01:20:59.43
Adz
Mmm.

01:21:02.49
Adz
To fight it.

01:21:04.71
Russell Gibson
Like, you know, most hobbyists aren't UFC fighters, they're more of the thinking kind.

01:21:04.77
Adz
Yep.

01:21:10.19
Adz
They're gonna speak with their typewriter, their their keyboards and their pens, yep.

01:21:10.83
Russell Gibson
and so That's right. hadnt how do you How do you combat peacefully something? Well, you put together a petition and try and get a guy off the air. And so the petition won. And I think, and that's also like a very powerful thing that, you know, we just sort of experienced as a hobby too.

01:21:20.96
Adz
That's a positive, yeah.

01:21:25.36
Adz
that's Yeah, agreed.

01:21:25.37
Russell Gibson
So I'm kind of, look, I think actually, you know, people say, oh, the hobby's dead and it's going down the the tubes, all that type of stuff. Like it's not, you know, the hobby's in a very healthy place.

01:21:36.41
Russell Gibson
And and also too, you know, you,

01:21:37.86
Adz
It's growing too and the and the and the community is changing.

01:21:41.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. For sure. And I think let's take this back to regulation. like Yes, there wasn't enough regulation you know to manage something like this, but also the hobby self-managed in this instance. And I i think we did you know a good job of that.

01:21:51.30
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:21:52.97
Russell Gibson
So that's my closing thought on this.

01:21:53.53
Adz
People went silent. Yeah. And that's the thing.

01:21:55.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:21:56.28
Adz
Like i'm I'm very much, let's wait and see if you heard your apology, except that you acknowledge what's wrong. Let's move forward.

01:22:03.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:22:03.29
Adz
Um, and, and yeah, we're keeping an eye out. If we see that a repeat of this behavior, we'll know that it was all, um, lip service, but we we hope it's not is my final thought.

01:22:08.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:22:13.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so thank you, everyone, for listening to our first edition of Timeless Moments. We we hope this is something that's going to continue.

01:22:19.05
Adz
Yeah.

01:22:21.14
Russell Gibson
and

01:22:21.97
Adz
Yeah, and if you like the the video, if you're up on YouTube, give us a like, give the video a like, drop us a comment, we um we respond to all the comments.

01:22:28.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah, thanks, Ed.

01:22:29.92
Adz
Awesome, thanks Russell. See you next time.

01:22:31.46
Russell Gibson
Bye.