Episode 190 - Wemby OUT for the season

 In episode 190 of You Can’t Comp This, Adam and Russell discuss Victor Wembanyama’s season-ending injury due to a blood clot in his shoulder. They analyze the condition’s severity, comparing it to cases like Chris Bosh and Brandon Ingram, and speculate on Wemby’s long-term recovery.

The hosts dive into the implications for the San Antonio Spurs, especially after acquiring De’Aaron Fox. They humorously explore conspiracy theories about strategic tanking for a top draft pick and discuss Coach Gregg Popovich’s departure for the season.

With Wemby out, the Defensive Player of the Year race is now wide open. Candidates like Dyson Daniels, Jaren Jackson Jr., and Nikola Jokić are considered, with Daniels' steal numbers standing out.

The discussion shifts to the impact on Wemby’s card values, which have dropped significantly. Comparing this to Zion Williamson and Ja Morant, the hosts offer insights on market trends and potential buying opportunities.

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00:13.54
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 190 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:25.27
Adz
And we're not going to start off on a positive note at all. We're going start on a negative note. Victor Wembenyana is out for the season.

00:30.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

00:34.14
youcantcompthis
Bit of a Debbie downer, really, isn't it, to start off the show?

00:36.28
Adz
That's... That's... Is that more shocking than Luka going to the Lakers?

00:44.36
youcantcompthis
think Luka going to the Lakers is more shocking because, you know, a professional athlete getting a injury, that's not that shocking.

00:44.93
Adz
This year's the gift that keeps on... Yeah, true.

00:51.98
Adz
I think the type of injury is the one that's that's shocking me and and has me unnerved.

00:56.76
youcantcompthis
Okay.

00:57.62
Adz
um

00:57.66
youcantcompthis
What makes you feel unnerved by that?

01:00.33
Adz
I don't think it's an easy stay-at-home-it'll-get-better kind of fix. that's that's my That's my concern.

01:05.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:07.73
Adz
um This could plague him for his whole career.

01:10.82
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:11.84
Adz
um yeah, it's, and it's one of those, don't know, not like a silent assassin, but it's not really, it's not a broken leg that that's blatantly obvious. you know what I mean?

01:25.17
youcantcompthis
Yeah. That'll just heal itself.

01:26.91
Adz
Yep.

01:27.13
youcantcompthis
You know, when is this problem going to pop its little head up again? Yeah. I get that a hundred percent too.

01:30.65
Adz
And it, yeah, and, and, and look, we've, we've been down the, and I'm not comparing, oh this is, this is chalk and cheese, but we've been down the Zion path,

01:31.89
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

01:41.24
Adz
where we've had this great prospect, dominant and then just injured, and how that's impacted things. And now we've we've had a season and a bit of Wemby. Like, the guy was just an all-star and i just, yeah, i don't I don't like this. I don't, it doesn't feel good.

02:00.67
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So maybe we should take two steps back and just summarize.

02:04.70
Adz
What's actually happened to him? Yeah.

02:06.10
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Cause I think sometimes we, we do sometimes get the, get ahead of ourselves sometimes, but that's okay. This is how we roll here.

02:13.69
Adz
We can catch everybody up. It's fine.

02:16.91
youcantcompthis
ah Alrighty, so he's got a blood clot in his shoulder.

02:19.55
Adz
Yep.

02:20.29
youcantcompthis
And so there's different names for blood clots, but one of the names you can use and has been used for this is deep vein thrombosis. So um that's probably something that people might be familiar with if you if you're flying on a plane, that's you know one of the risks that you can get from that.

02:27.26
Adz
Yep.

02:34.95
youcantcompthis
i was talking to a couple of people about this, asking them, you know what's the cause of this?

02:35.02
Adz
Yep.

02:38.35
youcantcompthis
Because in my head, this is not the first time we've seen it for an NBA athlete. So there's been a couple, ah there's been Chris Bosch,

02:42.76
Adz
Mm.

02:46.05
Adz
That's the concerning bit for me.

02:46.37
youcantcompthis
there's been Brandon Ingram and there's been one of the, the Thompson twins, which is pretty sure it was a zoo that had it.

02:54.59
Adz
Yeah.

02:55.04
youcantcompthis
and And so, It can really go two ways. you know You get treatment for it and then everything's good. Or in the instance with Chris Bosch, he actually needed to be a blood thinners long term.

03:08.11
youcantcompthis
And then the problem for he that he had and that what really slowed down his career was that he couldn't fly anymore because that was just increasing his risk of having it reoccur.

03:15.23
Adz
Yeah. That's, that's, that's where my concerns lie, I guess.

03:17.75
youcantcompthis
and Yeah, yeah, for sure.

03:19.60
Adz
Yeah.

03:20.21
youcantcompthis
And this is the thing, isn't it? So it's kind of like the fork in the road. So he you know he gets treatment for it and then they sort him out and then he comes back just like Ingram's done. you know There's been no recurring issues for him and it can be a freak thing.

03:31.99
youcantcompthis
It can just be like a one-off thing or it is the Chris Bosh thing where they're on blood thinners for the rest of their lives. They can't fly. And then the other thing I'd probably worry about too is like they're playing this high octane, high impact sport. So what would the impact on your body be of being on blood thinners, you know, for the rest of your life? So that's probably where I'm sitting with this at the moment. So it really is, you you know, a wait and see situation. And, know,

03:59.06
youcantcompthis
And if you're sort of looking even you know bigger picture, again, it's a real time of transition for the Spurs at the moment because Coach Popp has just said that he's going to be stepping away from the Spurs also and he won't be returning this season.

04:11.12
youcantcompthis
So it really is like a changing of the guard for the Spurs.

04:13.44
Adz
It is. Yeah. There's a lot happening.

04:15.76
youcantcompthis
Yep.

04:16.28
Adz
A lot happening.

04:17.86
youcantcompthis
Yep.

04:19.31
Adz
don't know. I feel like it's sad news, one, in the fact that you've seen what the Spurs have been doing. And then through the trade period, they kind of pushed their chips into the middle by acquiring Fox.

04:29.85
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

04:32.44
Adz
Because that was a real we're ready move

04:35.89
youcantcompthis
yeah

04:36.37
Adz
And then to have this happen, I think, is bitterly disappointing. mean, the conspiracy theory is they're just trying to really mega tank to get themselves back into the Cooper flag sweepstakes. but

04:47.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah, 100%. So let's take that sort of cup half full view because, and I've got something else to support that in two seconds, but let's dive into that conspiracy theory about them getting ping pong balls.

04:58.23
youcantcompthis
They've done it before with David Robinson, where they held him out, even though he was healthy to come back and that got them Tim Duncan.

05:03.76
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

05:05.86
youcantcompthis
And so I would definitely not put it past the Spurs to do it to Wemby so they can get Cooper flag and that line up.

05:12.79
Adz
Well, you look at their record at the moment, right? There's 30-something games left in their season, and they're below 500.

05:17.83
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

05:18.57
Adz
Yep.

05:19.60
youcantcompthis
Yeah. but I feel like, to me, the Spurs are in the worst possible place where they're not good enough to be a genuine finals team or a genuine playoffs team, but they're definitely not good enough to get...

05:28.29
Adz
yeah

05:30.32
youcantcompthis
Sorry, that's not the right wording.

05:30.92
Adz
Not bad enough to get the, yeah.

05:32.08
youcantcompthis
They're not bad enough to get the number one pick in the draft. However, the way that they've flattened out all the draft odds now, you don't have to be the worst team in the league to get the most amount of ping pong balls.

05:40.33
Adz
Just one of them.

05:41.63
youcantcompthis
You said you'd let your top three worst teams. So...

05:43.84
Adz
Yeah. yeah

05:44.82
youcantcompthis
you know That's kind of good. So this is coming from the current head coach of the San Antonio Spurs. Now, I think we should probably introduce this gentleman too. This is Mitch Johnson. The Spurs remain optimistic Wembeniata will make a full recovery by the beginning of the twenty five twenty six season.

06:01.79
youcantcompthis
said the team's medical staff have said that the Frenchman's long-term health won't be affected by his setback. The medical experts and the people that are smarter than everybody in the room have said and confirmed that he'll be done this year.

06:14.79
youcantcompthis
And there is no concern for Victor's long-term health personally or anything related to his basketball activities. So I think a statement like that is actually, it's very strong, isn't it? I feel like that,

06:24.56
Adz
It's a very, it's very strong statement.

06:26.33
youcantcompthis
yeah that to me puts a lot of things to bed in terms of they've consulted all the right people. This is not just something that's coming you know internally.

06:33.87
Adz
Yeah.

06:36.43
youcantcompthis
And this is something also too, that they can move on from and start planning for you know the right pieces. And so, And again, if we're going back full circle, so you know zoom out a little bit, this is where the Quai Leonard relationship went bad with the Spurs because he was getting internal doctors to assess him and look at him.

06:55.09
Adz
Yeah.

06:55.29
youcantcompthis
And allegedly, they asked him to come back before he was right to. And that's sort of what has created some of his long-term injury things. Google the Quai Leonard-San Antonio Spurs riff, and a lot of that was to do with their inside and

07:02.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

07:07.59
youcantcompthis
and him not being able to use outside doctors. so actually for me, I think that's a really interesting one where they're like, we're not going to use inside doctors.

07:12.68
Adz
Yeah.

07:14.27
youcantcompthis
We're going to use the smartest people we can get our hands on and then, you know, get this taken care of properly.

07:16.95
Adz
Mm-hmm.

07:18.99
youcantcompthis
So, yeah.

07:20.38
Adz
It's... Yeah, i'm I'm very curious about injuries like this. And i called ah ah we'll call it an injury. But ah any any medical condition like this, it's the management of it.

07:35.71
Adz
So my question my my question becomes, what work can he do?

07:35.75
youcantcompthis
Yeah, of course.

07:40.19
Adz
what work can't he do while he's not playing competitive, like playing on the court?

07:42.16
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

07:47.36
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

07:47.71
Adz
Is he allowed to train to an extent? Is he allowed to keep him healthy? with other areas or is it a lay off everything for a period?

07:53.57
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

07:55.76
Adz
Are you, do you know what I'm like, it's, how do you, how do you treat this?

07:58.68
youcantcompthis
Yeah, no, I get what you're saying hundred percent.

08:00.91
Adz
Cause, cause any kind of, yeah, like, yeah, like we, ah yeah.

08:05.08
youcantcompthis
No, I've got no, I've got zero insights on that at all. Yep.

08:08.13
Adz
I mean, God, even it doesn't matter what what kind of experiences you've had around it, as we've just identified, they're all different treatment. pathways and it can go it can go different so the question is when is he back on the court is it it might not affect him long term but not can do any conditioning for 12 months might actually be have a huge impact on him i mean sure for the next sure so what are we we're in february now so it's eight months

08:18.15
youcantcompthis
yeah

08:30.90
youcantcompthis
So it's going to be less than 12 months because they said he's going ready for the start of next season. Yeah, yeah. yeah

08:37.24
youcantcompthis
Can I cannot be honest with you? I actually don't think that's an issue at all. I think they'll space him out for you know for the right amount of time after his surgery.

08:44.59
Adz
I don't think the Luca the the luca weight discussion is going to come into things, but do you know what?

08:44.92
youcantcompthis
They'll keep an eye on his bloods.

08:50.29
youcantcompthis
I mean, it's the opposite, right? You kind of wish he would put on a bit of weight.

08:52.35
Adz
You wish you would put out a couple of kilos, but it's the it's the it's the being match fit.

08:53.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

08:56.26
Adz
It's the conditioning. It's the, but when do you go?

08:57.49
youcantcompthis
Sure.

08:59.00
Adz
When can you go?

09:00.40
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Yeah.

09:01.54
Adz
um

09:01.56
youcantcompthis
Now I think, I feel like that, something like that, they'll be able to manage pretty good.

09:04.79
Adz
and be interesting to see.

09:05.40
youcantcompthis
So I think the two, so the first thing we've covered is obviously the conspiracy around the ping pong balls. I don't think we need to go into that, but there is a little bit of other fallout that's going to happen here.

09:12.39
Adz
No.

09:14.48
youcantcompthis
So the next one to talk about is defensive player of the year.

09:17.79
Adz
Yeah, that's that's league-wide. That's not just the Spurs organization.

09:20.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah, so absolutely.

09:21.07
Adz
That's...

09:22.66
youcantcompthis
So we can probably throw this into the conversation now.

09:23.13
Adz
Yeah.

09:24.94
youcantcompthis
So how that works in terms of league awards, you have to play X amount of games to get that award. He doesn't now qualify for that because he won't be playing for the rest of the season.

09:30.13
Adz
Yep.

09:33.09
youcantcompthis
So initially so you would argue that he was an absolute shoe in to win the award. And if he had to played the the number of games, I would have absolutely voted for him as defensive player the year.

09:43.43
youcantcompthis
Like I actually think

09:46.90
youcantcompthis
it's so hard for me to actually comprehend who is the second best defensive player in the league. Now he's so, in my head, he's so impactful on the defensive end. Like as much as Luke can change a game offensively, and you know, same as LeBron and, and Jokic, Jokic, I should definitely say that too.

09:55.39
Adz
Yeah.

09:58.91
Adz
Yeah, yeah,

10:01.25
youcantcompthis
I feel that's how I feel about Wemby on the defensive end. He's so intimidating and and scary. I think is the best way to say it. So, so why don't we talk about that?

10:08.82
Adz
yeah.

10:10.45
youcantcompthis
Why don't we thread that in next? So who could be the, who's going to win defensive player of the year now instead?

10:15.02
Adz
Yeah. I think we've both got a couple of um interesting options.

10:20.12
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Who do you think is going to win?

10:22.33
Adz
I made ah a bit of a quip and and suggested that ah Australia's own Dyson Daniels would be thrust into the arena.

10:28.15
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

10:29.93
Adz
Look, he hasn't been as um he hasn't been the great barrier thief that he was yeah aptly nicknamed earlier in the season and as things have progressed.

10:40.34
Adz
But yeah, definitely a defensive player of the candidate, I think, for quick consideration.

10:44.98
youcantcompthis
He is absolutely going to be a candidate. So if you look at his steals totals at the moment, like the difference between first and second is 50 steals. And another way of saying that is he is 50% ahead of the second closest person.

10:52.72
Adz
Yeah, he's he's a pest.

10:58.44
youcantcompthis
So it's...

10:59.27
Adz
That's the where it's what Wemby is in blocks. Dyson Daniels is in steals.

11:03.42
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So Daniels has got 152 steals. SGA second with 101. And third is Nikola Jokic with 91.

11:12.26
Adz
That's hilarious.

11:12.74
youcantcompthis
Like the difference there...

11:13.57
Adz
The fact that Jokic is in the top three there is terrifying, right? Yeah.

11:18.04
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that just says so much about how he just reads the game. and

11:21.17
Adz
Yeah, true.

11:22.08
youcantcompthis
yeah And so there was another statistic floating around that when Chris Paul led the league in steals, he didn't have that many steals at that point in the season.

11:34.17
youcantcompthis
like That's how far ahead Dyson Daniels is you know compared to everyone else.

11:36.15
Adz
Wow.

11:38.32
youcantcompthis
so i think that

11:38.87
Adz
Okay.

11:39.24
youcantcompthis
Look, that's a really good one. I think he should be considered absolutely in...

11:42.79
Adz
He's in the conversation, yeah.

11:44.81
youcantcompthis
you know, top, then, yeah you know, this is really difficult too. So it's, how do you measure? It's so hard to measure people's defensive ratings. You can't just go by blocks. Like, so number one in blocks is Wemby at 176. Number two is Brooke Lopez, 106. I don't think anyone is going to be voting for Brooke Lopez as defensive player. The you know third is Walker Kessler.

12:06.34
youcantcompthis
Then you're going down Daniel Gafford, Anthony Davis, and probably the one that I had off the top my head was Jaron Jackson Jr.

12:08.34
Adz
yeah

12:13.14
youcantcompthis
I think defensively, you know, he's really solid, but does he have enough numbers to sort of support that ah unless people are going to look at those, the, the deep stats.

12:22.64
Adz
But it's team impact, right? like there's there's There's team defense and and and and anchoring anchoring a team defense.

12:26.31
youcantcompthis
Yeah, of course there's, there's advanced stats you can look at too.

12:30.36
Adz
i I think you've got a very um a very very good point there about ah Triple J.

12:30.78
youcantcompthis
Definitely. Yeah.

12:36.69
Adz
Like, i think Dyson Daniels is is is a great candidate because he is the he's that far ahead, Wemby level ahead when it comes to steals, which is the obviously the other metric.

12:43.96
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

12:48.05
Adz
But if you look at how good the Memphis Grizzlies have been this year, and i and for a team that's sitting so high up, they they've gone right under the radar. And he is here's ah he's a definite reason for that.

13:03.61
youcantcompthis
I think the radar thing is an interesting one just because are they that under the radar or is it just that they haven't had the same amount of clicks this year because Ja Morant hasn't been there?

13:09.98
Adz
Everyone for...

13:15.30
Adz
Jar has been there. He just hasn't been threatening to shoot people.

13:21.90
Adz
Wielding guns on IG and all the rest of it. That said, going back, looks like Jar has learned his lesson to that extent.

13:27.86
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

13:28.36
Adz
And as a result, we've got this Memphis team.

13:28.74
youcantcompthis
Look,

13:31.00
youcantcompthis
I mean, we haven't done a heap of prep on this, so I think this is a pretty superficial conversation. But at the same time, i think your Dyson Daniels call is actually spot on, isn't it? Like, the more I look at this list and then you look at the steals list, like that is just insane.

13:44.12
youcantcompthis
And now Wemby's out of the conversation. It's like... it makes it really tough not to look at Dyson Daniels straight away, doesn't it? So look, not that we advocate for gambling and, you know, how many gambling ties at all, but geez, you have to look at the odds for Dyson Daniels at this point, don't you, for a Defensive Player of the Year?

13:51.30
Adz
Yeah.

13:59.38
Adz
Get on Dyson. Yeah, for sure.

14:01.52
youcantcompthis
Yeah. All right. We haven't talked about card values yet, which is very much against the um the vein of this podcast. So let's just do one or two minutes on this. Then we'll go to an ad. And I think we should come back and talk a little bit more when be ad because I think this is a really big deal and we should probably break this down as as much as we need to.

14:20.59
Adz
Yeah, agreed.

14:21.97
youcantcompthis
Alrighty, his silver PSA 10 population on this is 4,294.

14:24.37
Adz
Yep.

14:28.69
youcantcompthis
That is just on PSA. That doesn't include BGS and all the rest of it. It last sold for 728. Now, if you zoom to one year, it is down significantly. It's down 67%. So we're already seeing, before all of this happened, we're already seeing a massive downturn.

14:49.20
youcantcompthis
Now, also part of that is it exponentially went down. So at one point, it was trading for 2,400. And then trended down to 9,500. and then it trended down to about nine thousand five hundred And it was pretty steady along that. If you zoom into the last three months, actually it's been very steady minus 5%.

15:01.96
Adz
Yeah.

15:04.04
youcantcompthis
Yes, it's down a little bit, but it was also up in that time period to zoom to two weeks. This is where it's really interesting. So it's down 13% in the last two weeks. But if you zoom in even closer to that, so you look at the last six sales.

15:17.22
Adz
Yeah.

15:17.65
youcantcompthis
So it was $849. So that's not that far away from that 950 that we were speaking about. Not that long ago.

15:24.15
Adz
Yeah.

15:24.64
youcantcompthis
yeah Sold for 849, then 817, 800, 765, 728, and now 700.

15:33.10
Adz
Yeah.

15:35.50
youcantcompthis
So that is a very steep downward decline in a very short period of time.

15:39.45
Adz
is that But that's a stabilizing impact for us. Surely it's just about the the card stabilizing and finding its spot.

15:42.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah. but Let's take a break and then we'll come back and we'll break this down further.

15:49.54
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

15:52.40
youcantcompthis
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16:04.23
youcantcompthis
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16:10.35
Adz
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16:56.55
Adz
Having a ah Luke Longley into the future.

16:56.99
youcantcompthis
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17:21.41
youcantcompthis
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17:30.55
Adz
yep wow

17:34.55
youcantcompthis
And the the Wolverine, ah with the red background, I still remember that vividly. So I'm not going lie to you. I'm not the biggest like tops X-Men fan in the world, but there's also that nostalgia for me, even for me.

17:47.12
youcantcompthis
So I feel like these are going to go absolutely crazy.

17:47.87
Adz
yeah yeah the x-men are huge

17:49.33
youcantcompthis
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17:59.65
Adz
I thought that was a Star Trek product then.

17:59.73
youcantcompthis
Interesting though. It looks Star Trek-ish, doesn't it? Two of their pre-orders completely sold out. Magic the Gathering sold out and also the Final Fantasy Magic the Gathering Commander Deck Display Collector Edition sold out. So congrats, lads, for selling out your allocation on that on pre-order. That is absolutely fantastic.

18:19.16
youcantcompthis
Again, thank you so much to Fastbreak Trading Cards for your support.

18:27.40
youcantcompthis
Adam, we're back. are you doing? Part two.

18:29.94
Adz
um god I'm great. I'm great. I'm ready to talk some card values and some... some some Let's deep dive this.

18:36.11
youcantcompthis
We were breaking down the Wemby PSA Silver 10. We were just saying that the last six sales six sales are on a steep downward decline.

18:44.36
Adz
Yep.

18:44.86
youcantcompthis
And you were saying that it's too soon to talk about it. I would 100% disagree with that. I think these are panic sales. And I think we're going to see i think we're going to see a lot of this, man.

18:53.21
Adz
Really? Hmm...

18:55.83
youcantcompthis
because what Okay, this is how I view this. I put this into the same bucket as Ja Morant. I put this into the same bucket as Zion Williamson, right?

19:04.75
Adz
Zion, okay.

19:05.86
youcantcompthis
So these aren't particularly people who are PCing them. They aren't people who are um collectors per se, they're more, the piece of the hobby parcel that I talk about here is you want to call them flippers.

19:13.80
Adz
Agreed.

19:18.71
youcantcompthis
You want to call them people who are in for selling, buying and selling liquid cards, investors, a hundred percent.

19:22.59
Adz
Investors.

19:25.33
youcantcompthis
And by the way, I'm not saying this to dis on people. It's just basically, they're all part of the hobby community, the hobby pool.

19:27.78
Adz
No, we're not. No, no, no, no.

19:32.07
youcantcompthis
And they're very important to the pool, by the way, too. You need people buying and selling cards.

19:34.59
Adz
Yep.

19:36.38
youcantcompthis
um But i also think too, the people that do that are also the people to more likely to sell the cards when they do see some bad news coming up too. So that's the way I perceive this card.

19:43.74
Adz
Yeah, true, true, true.

19:46.61
youcantcompthis
And I think what we probably could do too, Ad, is actually just go and have a look at some of the sales of Zion Williamson because he had those injury reports. He had those times when he went down a lot too.

19:59.11
youcantcompthis
And so I think that's a really good one for us just to quickly you know touch on too.

19:59.21
Adz
Yeah.

20:02.54
Adz
Is Zion good? Yeah, Zion. There's Cade.

20:04.33
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

20:06.34
Adz
Cade got injured. They wrapped him up for the year.

20:07.81
youcantcompthis
So, yeah, so, okay, with the um with the, let's do the Zion one first, because I think the narrative behind Cade and Zion is actually two completely different stories.

20:09.06
Adz
Yep.

20:18.29
youcantcompthis
So, and we can do both.

20:19.04
Adz
Mm.

20:19.61
youcantcompthis
I think that's really cool. Yeah.

20:22.16
Adz
Hell yeah. All right.

20:23.04
youcantcompthis
right.

20:25.48
Adz
and Got the prism up.

20:30.13
Adz
What are we looking at? The... Silver.

20:37.39
Adz
Silver prism.

20:37.49
youcantcompthis
all alright So if you go to Zion's old time, obviously he had that insane high of $5,800. And then you can see this incredibly steep downhill all the way down to $900.

20:49.49
youcantcompthis
And so that basically took about two years to happen. And then from there, he had a further decline down and he's really flattened out. So he's currently trading at $250. And so, you know, I probably think what we're going to see, dan we're going to see a decline here.

20:59.04
Adz
Yeah.

21:04.90
youcantcompthis
So it went down to 1,500 and then it went further down again, around to 670. So probably where my head is going with this is, okay, so currently we're trading at actually not that far away from 670. We're already down to 700.

21:19.11
youcantcompthis
Maybe this is going to go down to like 600, even to 550, and then it'll flatten out and then we'll see what the next pricing is going to go to after that. But the really interesting for me to thing to think about here is that also the timing of this card too.

21:32.46
youcantcompthis
So it's going to go down as the season progresses. Then we're go to go into the off season, which you often see a further down decline.

21:38.92
Adz
speculat

21:39.99
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

21:40.10
Adz
But the speculation of him returning,

21:43.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah, and as it gets closer to the season, then we start to see the injury reports.

21:44.45
Adz
i think that will...

21:46.99
youcantcompthis
Yes, he's coming back. He's training again. datadadada Yes, you'll start to see an uptick then. But I think in terms of timing this card and purchasing it, it would be around the finals. I think that's when you should be starting to look to purchase because that will be like you know the trough.

21:56.16
Adz
Mm, mm.

21:59.26
Adz
Yeah.

21:59.27
youcantcompthis
And then it'll start to pick back up again. And so,

22:01.12
Adz
End of the season.

22:02.12
youcantcompthis
yeah

22:02.17
Adz
I think we missed the boat. I think i think if if you wait too long after the announcement that he's resuming training, that's when the uptick's going to happen.

22:12.30
youcantcompthis
You'll definitely get an uptick there, but at the same time, i wouldn't that wouldn't stress me out a lot though, like missing out.

22:17.05
Adz
Okay.

22:18.70
youcantcompthis
And the reason I say that is because the period of time to now, to when that change will occur, but that's that's ah that's a long time.

22:23.62
Adz
Mm, mm.

22:27.11
youcantcompthis
so And actually, that might be the better time because in terms of you reliably being able to know, okay, great, this guy is coming back.

22:27.27
Adz
Yeah.

22:34.23
Adz
Yeah.

22:35.69
youcantcompthis
I feel more confident you know putting cash into this guy.

22:38.97
Adz
Yeah, true.

22:39.77
youcantcompthis
That's the way i would sort of look at that two ad. So you actually might say that's the best time to purchase. Yeah.

22:45.41
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, very true. Very true. I know.

22:48.17
youcantcompthis
So I think if you think about it too bad, because like if you look at the old time for Wemby, so what he started off at 2,500.

22:48.51
Adz
It's...

22:54.45
youcantcompthis
If you can pick that up for 400, 450, 500, 550 USD, that's kind of exciting too. Like this is probably the way I'm looking at this. You know my sort of perception of this is we kind of know what's going to happen here.

23:09.32
youcantcompthis
but We know that heaps of people have bought these cards.

23:10.37
Adz
Yeah.

23:11.60
youcantcompthis
We know that, you know, it's going to go down and people do panic sell. And, you know, what's more important to me is like, is he going to be coming back?

23:18.33
Adz
Yeah.

23:23.19
youcantcompthis
And when is the next time to purchase back into him? So why don't we talk about Kate a little bit Because that was the other one that that you were talking about.

23:28.55
Adz
ah did I did, did. did. Cade was wrapped up in cotton wool early on, so...

23:32.43
youcantcompthis
Yeah. So if you look at Cade and really Cade dropped, I actually think Cade dropped for the wrong reason. So I think that,

23:39.65
Adz
Completely agree.

23:40.78
youcantcompthis
The speculation around Cade was that he was the number one pick and he was on a terrible team. And I think that's the thing that, you know, did influence him. Yes, he did have an injury, but there was nothing there was nothing to be said that that injury wasn't recoverable and that he was coming back.

23:48.42
Adz
Yeah.

23:55.17
youcantcompthis
So there was that window of time when he, you know, he dropped down. So his silver PSA 10 at one point was selling for $220. So if you look at his all-time sale, it's basically like it's a u

24:01.52
Adz
Yeah.

24:04.71
youcantcompthis
ah Yes, it's a small U on the right-hand side. like It hasn't come up that much, but it's now trading for 426. So if you pick that up for 220, that's a pretty decent uptick.

24:11.20
Adz
Yeah.

24:13.84
Adz
That's a huge gain. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:15.07
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

24:15.36
Adz
That's a huge gain. Yeah, you're right. You're right. And I think that's the, this is the glass half full side that we're talking about. with

24:22.74
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

24:23.26
Adz
If Victor Webignano is out for a little bit for the end of this year, they wrap him up in cotton wool.

24:26.54
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

24:28.36
Adz
They they make sure he rehabs correctly. does all the medical stuff he's supposed to.

24:32.84
youcantcompthis
yeah

24:32.88
Adz
And everything is good. He will uptick naturally.

24:37.39
youcantcompthis
yeah

24:39.76
youcantcompthis
But if we are tying that back to Cade, so actually Cade dropped down to 220.

24:43.73
Adz
yeah

24:43.90
youcantcompthis
So I was saying before, like 450, 500 is a good buy. So is there some reality but where Wemby goes down to 220, 280? Yeah. Yeah. to eighty

24:52.04
Adz
I don't think there's enough time for that. I don't i honestly don't think the height that Wemby got to versus the the the the area Cade was in, probably not as as a bigger scale.

25:02.49
youcantcompthis
yeah

25:05.94
Adz
I also think there's a lot more people with money invested in in Victor. Because you look at the pop count on Cade, 322 versus 4294. True. True. Do

25:18.87
youcantcompthis
Yeah. Okay. So probably my counter argument to that though is, is the billions of dollars that was lost on Zion.

25:25.68
Adz
true to people just dump stock now then?

25:26.53
youcantcompthis
Right. Cause I think, you know, I think, Yeah, that was the problem with COVID, wasn't it? Is that people were buying in at astronomical prices into, you know, arguably...

25:34.41
Adz
Yeah.

25:39.06
Adz
Because we were never going to have cards again. I don't know why.

25:41.74
youcantcompthis
That's right.

25:42.06
Adz
Yeah.

25:42.06
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that's right. And also, like, buying into people that, you know, was A, it was high risk, but you could also make the argument, too, that he was the wrong person to buy into. Like, I think if we if we go back and look at that class, actually, Ja Morant was probably the better purchase.

25:49.25
Adz
Spot on. Yeah, yeah, true.

25:55.01
Adz
Yep, definitely.

25:56.24
youcantcompthis
And then, you know, we were so...

26:00.18
Adz
Blinded.

26:00.89
youcantcompthis
We were blinded. I was trying to think of the right word. i was going to say mystified, but blinded is probably the better word. You know, COVID was just such a horrible time, wasn't it? Like it it's just, it really, um you know, shook things up in a really negative way.

26:08.09
Adz
Yeah, it was pretty bad.

26:13.78
youcantcompthis
All right.

26:14.06
Adz
The dark times.

26:15.77
youcantcompthis
What else do we need to talk about with Wemby? Actually, there is something else I want to talk to you about with Wemby. So I found this on Twitter at GameInjuryDoc.com.

26:20.89
Adz
Yep.

26:25.46
youcantcompthis
ah two players Two NBA players have upper extremity DVTs, Brennan Ingram in 2019, and Azur Thompson. I think I said Eamon before.

26:33.32
Adz
ye

26:33.98
youcantcompthis
um They both returned. This is not the end of Victor, but will need to be on blood thinners for at least three months. Okay, there you go. So that that's basically a very quick synopsis, isn't it? um There's other people who have also had blood clots in the NBA.

26:47.84
Adz
yeah

26:47.90
youcantcompthis
Anderson Varejo, Chris Bosh, Jerome Kersey, Mirza Talatovic, who I'd forgotten about that one. Christian Koloko, he was 24 years of age when that happened.

26:54.34
Adz
Yep.

26:57.78
Adz
Yep.

26:58.03
youcantcompthis
Azul Thompson and Wemby. Oh, here you go. Yes, it's true that athletes are at high risk in general for blood clots due to their low resting heart rate, getting dehydrated during a game and hopping on long flights.

27:07.50
Adz
Mm-hmm.

27:10.51
youcantcompthis
That's the one where I'm like, and actually I find that so, yeah, but this is a bit that I find hard to work out of my head because like these these guys are like the healthiest and the fittest players on the planet, yet they're still at risk for this.

27:13.40
Adz
The travel is the concerning bit, right?

27:23.33
youcantcompthis
Like that, I find that so hard to sort of get over.

27:23.81
Adz
Yeah.

27:25.77
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

27:26.66
Adz
But it's the it's it's what they do to their body, right? So they dehydration and if they don't hydrate properly, they put themselves at risk of blood clotting and...

27:34.72
youcantcompthis
yeah that's Yeah, that's right. Coloco, Thompson, and Wemby are all post-COVID vaccines, so it's a fair question to ask if that played a role. Wow, that's a Joe Rogan-esque take there.

27:45.70
Adz
Oh my goodness, get that conspiracy tinfoil hat out.

27:46.30
youcantcompthis
um

27:50.21
youcantcompthis
I wish I had my tinfoil hat. Yeah, I find it concerning that we haven't had an increase in blood clot in young athlete over the past five years, and I don't think it's random. Yeah, I have to admit, like that does seem to me...

28:02.07
youcantcompthis
seems unusual, doesn't it? But maybe it's also just the amount of like flying that these guys do. like They do an insane amount of flying.

28:07.23
Adz
Yeah. Being under that compression so regularly.

28:09.39
youcantcompthis
Yeah. yeah

28:11.26
Adz
Yeah.

28:12.78
youcantcompthis
All right. What have we not touched on this ad?

28:15.91
Adz
I think we've we'veve we've covered, I think the timeline, we've covered a Defensive Player of the Year, ah the Spurs being in this position, the Spurs are in right now.

28:22.25
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

28:26.28
youcantcompthis
Yeah, that was fun.

28:26.73
Adz
um

28:27.67
youcantcompthis
That was a deep dive. That is a UCOMP-Compthis-esque.

28:28.89
Adz
i Yeah, i think I think we've covered a lot with Wemby and i mean, from from my view, I just hope he does recover.

28:31.93
youcantcompthis
Yep.

28:38.16
Adz
I hope this isn't everybody. ah Yeah, and we've seen how good he is.

28:47.67
Adz
Like it's not it's not um

28:58.21
Adz
Russell, have I lost you?

29:03.62
Adz
Ah, Russell's computer has crashed. So what we'll do is we'll use this opportunity to to to take a break. um

29:16.49
Adz
Those that ah that are on the live feed. Jeez, that's really weird watching me on me if you're on the YouTube live. Yeah. Russell will be resetting his computer.

29:28.55
Adz
um I don't have The Weekend at Bernie's photo up and available at the moment. um

29:37.40
Adz
So let's see let's let's just see what happens. There he is. He's back.

29:42.74
Adz
Back.

29:42.84
youcantcompthis
um My computer crashed.

29:45.44
Adz
We're still live here on YouTube.

29:48.23
youcantcompthis
Well, funnily, it actually says it's still recording. I just wonder if we should stop recording and...

29:51.87
Adz
i'm still in the great i'm I'm still in the room on Zencaster, so it would keep keep going, I reckon.

29:56.37
youcantcompthis
Well, it says to me that I'm still recording here, but I just feel like we should stop this and start a new recording.

30:01.62
Adz
Okay.

30:02.51
youcantcompthis
Yeah.

30:02.57
Adz
Okay. Well, just told all the listeners we were taking a quick break, so...

30:06.13
youcantcompthis
I mean, we technically were taking a break.

30:08.14
Adz
And now we're here, so if you are on the live watching, it's going to

30:08.44
youcantcompthis
It's not... It's not not true.