You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
192: Mailbag, Wemby Update, Caitlin Clark, Jokic, Steph Curry, PSA
This weeks show covers a huge range of topics:
- Mailbag
- Wemby's Nebula 1/1
- Caitlin Clark
- Aidos Uchos Jokic Kaboom Auto
- Real Guy: 300k scam
- Steph curry flawless Logoman -
- Bol bol
- PSA changing grading guidelines: Reddit PSA response
- Prizm vs Flawless
- Coach Popp
- Why was Luka traded?
- Josh Giddey on a heater Card Ladder
- Veriswap Lebron vs Jordan
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00:00:12.39
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 192 the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
00:00:24.33
Adz
And I guess we get straight into it. let's We put up a mailbag, so shall we open the bag and get stuck into it?
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Russell Gibson
Absolutely. It's just two or three weeks late, but that's okay.
00:00:36.70
Adz
Look, it's not as bad as some people on a variety of selling pages or eBay and things. So at least we're getting rounds of the mail, hey?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty. Scotty James. KD is one of the all-time greats and perhaps a bit unheralded due to who his career has overlapped with. If you were to pick up a KD card for your collection,
00:00:58.66
Russell Gibson
What error would you go with Thunder Warriors, Nets or Suns? Fantastic question, Scotty James. Adam, I'll let you do the initial beatings.
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Adz
o
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Adz
All right. um I think it comes down to two. I think it's either Warriors or Thunder.
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Russell Gibson
Sure.
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Adz
um MVP with the Thunder, finals MVP with the Warriors. Like, that's Pete Kevin Durant right there.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Really? Is it you the real MVP? Warriors? Thunder? I don't know. I don't think I could give him the Warriors one, I have to say Thunder.
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Russell Gibson
yeah So I think for me, if I want his rookie stuff, you know obviously it's going to be in Thunder uniform. I think that's great. But I think if I was looking for a card of KD's, I would want game-worn finals material.
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Russell Gibson
So I'd be going flawless for that, which would be Warriors. So they're the two cards I'd be chasing for KD.
00:01:53.31
Adz
Ooh, okay, okay.
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Russell Gibson
Yep. Rookie patch autographs plus a game-worn finals piece of... Jersey. So that's where I'm going with that. I mean, the Nets and the Suns one, I think we can forget about those errors altogether, can't we? I think the best thing he did for the Nets was give them an enormous amount of draft foliage is the the right way to say that. And what are the Suns going to be when Katie leaves?
00:02:18.06
Adz
All right, how about I throw one at you?
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Russell Gibson
An absolute hot mess. Sure.
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Adz
What about a net Kevin Durant kaboom?
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Russell Gibson
I mean, that's a different thing altogether, but I would be collecting that for the Kaboom, not that it's a Kevin Durant card.
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Adz
Not the not the Kevin Durant. Okay, fair, fair, fair, fair. Very, very true.
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Russell Gibson
Lachlan Blunt, Thunder, in my opinion, but for value, I think there'll be some great buys for Nets. And that kind of makes sense a little bit too, if you're looking for a cheap autograph.
00:02:41.70
Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
Well, I think that's why I touched on the Kaboom factor. I said there's going to be lots of value because no one wants the net stuff, but it clearly is Kevin Durant's worth with something in the in the grand scheme of things.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
This is from James Gregory. Vince Carter is so... No, for his, no, and thank you for his time with the Raptors.
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Adz
Known.
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Russell Gibson
But how does his cards in other jerseys hold up price-wise? And this is a little bit similar question to the KD question, isn't it here? So James has very kindly put in a snapshot of all the teams that VC played for, Raptors, Nets, Magic, Phoenix Suns, Dallas Mavericks, Memphis Grizzlies, the Sacramento Kings. I'd forgotten about that.
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Russell Gibson
And then of course he had his little cup of tea with the Atlanta Hawks at the end.
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Adz
Yeah, it's going to be the Raptors, right? Like it's...
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
I mean, maybe there's some Nets thought there.
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Russell Gibson
There's definitely Nets stuff floating around because i had some in my own collection for a little bit.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
But I think if you are looking... I think this is really, to me, this is exactly the same question as the KD one. If you want the rookie stuff, you go in the Raptors.
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Adz
Mm hmm.
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Russell Gibson
If you want his prime stuff, the finals patches, again, that's going to be in Nets material, isn't it? So i think...
00:04:02.33
Adz
That's very true.
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Russell Gibson
I think at the end of the day, though, if you're just talking about pure value and, you know, what's the cost of cards, it's just going to be Raptors stuff because that's where people will remember him by at the end of the day.
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Russell Gibson
Like those, the dunk competitions and really he was at the, he's absolute athletic peak at that time too. So for me, it's just Raptors all the way and the rest of it's a bit of nonsense, frankly.
00:04:21.81
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
Yeah, great. Great.
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Russell Gibson
Yep. Just looking at some values over here at the moment though. So there's a 1999 Skybox premium autographics PSA 7 for 160 USD.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
There is a 2122 Prism. This is just a sticker autograph, but it's actually still a nice looking card.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
It's got VC in that purple Raptors uniform. That's for 70 USD. Look, I think the card aesthetics on that is actually pretty good. It's a sticker autograph. I think the price on that is very reasonable.
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Russell Gibson
This is not terrible, this stuff actually, terms of pricing.
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Adz
can i um Can I offer my thoughts on what card to chase if you're going after Vince Carter?
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Russell Gibson
Of course.
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Adz
And given given his history, the Dunkin' Go Nuts.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Surely, surely, given his victory in the Dunk Contest.
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Russell Gibson
I actually have the feeling here that a lot of this stuff is going under is what I was expecting. So this is a rookie Fresh Inks PSA 8.
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Adz
Really? Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
This sold for a hundred USD.
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Adz
Really?
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Russell Gibson
Honestly, I think that's very reasonable for his resume and the impact that he had on the NBA.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I'm on board with that.
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Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So this next one, I'll do Isaiah Thomas. You do Terry Porter.
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Adz
Is Terry Porter on um Card Letter?
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Russell Gibson
James Gregory, please do a UConn comp this on Terry Porter versus Joe Dumas. I loved watching Terry Porter when he was with the Trailblazers and teamed up with Clyde the Glide. Yeah, that was ah he was an awesome floor general, wasn't he? Like super savvy.
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Russell Gibson
i don't really remember him being particularly athletic though.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And he had a pretty slow release on his shot. Yeah.
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Adz
was going to say it's it it might be in my junior in my junior rear view as far as um
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
the opinions go.
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Russell Gibson
So Isaiah Thomas, actually, the reason I want to do Isaiah Thomas, because I've been looking around a bit of Isaiah Thomas stuff at the moment, because my impression was he hasn't been signing for quite a long time.
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Adz
Okay.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Now, the last couple of years, we're starting to see a lot more stuff coming out of here. So clearly he's back signing again.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And a lot of this stuff is is really nice. So iMac... Court Kings autographs I'm looking at here. There's a Spectra autograph that we can quickly touch on.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
um This is an impeccable one for $57 USD. The Spectra is going for $36 USD. Court Kings is a sticker. That's $23. twenty three bucks I think that's a fantastic buy at that price point.
00:07:04.54
Russell Gibson
But this is probably the best one to talk about, the the iMac one. On-card autograph, number to $75, $51.74. Look, I think for someone that won two championships,
00:07:16.15
Russell Gibson
was you know competing head-to-head with Jordan in a very competitive era. you know I love this a lot. I think that's a really cool card. And they've done a really good job of bringing back those sort of retro photographs with Isaiah in it.
00:07:30.07
Russell Gibson
So, um I mean, let's not talk about his personal affairs while he was a Knicks executive.
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Adz
Fair.
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Russell Gibson
We can skim past that. And I think he's a decent commentator. He's okay on NBA.com, NBA TV. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
All right. What do he you got for me for Terry Porter?
00:07:48.73
Adz
got nothing. I've got the 1987 Fleer PSA 10 that was on card letter last sold. That's actually not bad. Base card from 1987. Um... um Pop on that's $47, and the last sold price is $398.89. So bit of love there.
00:08:05.58
Russell Gibson
Is that the one that's got the gray banner at the top?
00:08:05.65
Adz
bit of love there. Yeah, grey banner at the top, Fleer.
00:08:08.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. You know what's funny about a card like that? Some of those have been peaking really hard at the moment. I actually wonder if buying something like that in a PSA 10 would be a really savvy buy, just like waiting waiting for the spike to come and just you know flipping it out.
00:08:19.08
Adz
Savvy, yeah.
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Adz
Well, yeah, there' ah is it has sold as high as $498, so $500.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. Yeah.
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Adz
So yeah, interesting though. Steady cut.
00:08:34.92
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. The next mailbag type segment we've got is around all-star weekend. So ah basically just asking listeners to reflect on what they thought went well with the all-star weekend. Mark Cahill. I think the only real competition for the weekend is the three point shootout. As far as the all-star game goes, there's no one's breaking a sweat on defense and the slam dunk contest should be the rookie season plays with no props.
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Russell Gibson
Love watching Steph three point shooting, but he, what he does in the warmup every day anyway. Yeah.
00:09:04.05
Adz
Yep.
00:09:04.34
Russell Gibson
So just to answer that question, i think I've finally, I've got actually a good suggestion of what to do for this. Did you see the highlights from the USA Canada ice hockey game?
00:09:15.57
Adz
The what?
00:09:16.78
Russell Gibson
The USA-Canada ice hockey game.
00:09:19.10
Adz
No.
00:09:19.75
Russell Gibson
Okay. When we finish potting, go and watch that.
00:09:22.73
Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Now, I'm not advocating for violence, and I definitely don't want that. However, there was three face-offs or punch-ons, whatever you want to call it, before the game even started. They were literally just like waiting to like line each other up.
00:09:32.32
Adz
Okay.
00:09:34.37
Russell Gibson
So I actually wonder if that's what they could do for basketball. Do USA versus the world or USA versus Europe.
00:09:40.37
Adz
ah liar Look, i' i'm on I'm on board with USA versus the world.
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Russell Gibson
Definitely, I don't want them to be facing off and like punching at each other's teeth. um That's not what I'm advocating for.
00:09:46.18
Adz
Sure, sure.
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Russell Gibson
However, I do wonder if putting that jersey on would get a bit more of the competitive juices flowing and bringing it back.
00:09:52.39
Adz
a little, yeah, a little bit more of the sense of pride to it.
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Russell Gibson
Because clearly, you know with the way that people are moving around these days, they do not care about the East versus West thing. So that's my suggestion for that. Paul Stahl, All-Star Weekend should really be moved to a week after the season ends. I'm sure this would encourage some of the top NBA names to enter the slam dunk competition.
00:10:15.49
Russell Gibson
Games are also too short. I wasn't shocked that LeBron pulled out, but he should have done it earlier. Yeah, look, it would have been better if LeBron pulled out earlier. Did they replace him at the last minute?
00:10:23.72
Adz
No, they didn't.
00:10:24.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah, see, that that sucks. Like, I think give the younger kids an opportunity to get in there and... Yeah.
00:10:30.34
Adz
I don't know. I just... ah is it Is it done? is it Is it really... don't know. I like US versus the world.
00:10:40.81
Adz
i don't know what you do. I don't know what you do. But I know you've got to shorten It's got to be shorter than three days.
00:10:44.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:10:46.83
Adz
That's ridiculous. No one cares about All-Star Saturday.
00:10:47.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:10:50.16
Adz
Nobody. Nobody. The only thing we care, we tune in for 10 minutes to see who won the dunk contest and who won the three-point contest. Like, it should just be the halftime show of the All-Star game is the three-point contest.
00:11:05.30
Adz
And the halftime show of the the Rising Stars Challenge should be the dunk contest.
00:11:05.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:11:12.16
Russell Gibson
It's kind of one of those things where I'm very reluctant to criticize the league about trying new things because clearly it was stale already if they just kept running it back. Are you then expecting...
00:11:23.75
Adz
How about you get picked for one thing and one thing only?
00:11:28.84
Adz
so if you're in the drat in the dunk contest, you can't play in the game.
00:11:33.84
Russell Gibson
I mean, if Anthony Edwards was an all-star and also was in the slam dunk competition, I would be all aboard that.
00:11:34.52
Adz
You space it out.
00:11:39.91
Adz
Okay.
00:11:40.48
Russell Gibson
If Steph Curry's in the competition and also in the three-point shootout, I think that's a good thing, right? Like, I kind of get what you're saying to make it, you know, specific. But at the same time, I feel like that would sort of limit the names back.
00:11:51.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:11:52.13
Russell Gibson
i I got to be honest with you. i actually wonder if you don't invite the players. You say that you are going to it. So, for example, what I mean by that is the league says LeBron, Edwards,
00:12:02.53
Adz
You're going there.
00:12:05.56
Russell Gibson
you're in the slam dunk competition. The three-point shootout, Karl-Anthony Towns, Steph Curry, you're going to be in it. Like, there's none of this would-you-like-to-come nonsense. You know, I think that would be, you know, good, particularly for the slam dunk competition.
00:12:17.06
Adz
Ah, there's a lot of fake injuries that happen after that.
00:12:19.59
Russell Gibson
Ugh.
00:12:20.90
Adz
It's, ah it's, it's, yeah, you take it.
00:12:22.01
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:12:23.40
Adz
There's too much choice these days. It's ridiculous, but I don't know. You need something to make it more competitive. It was nice to see when we actually cared about it. Um, I don't know. The problem is at the mo moment, the world team, the best player internationally is Jokic and he doesn't care for the game.
00:12:33.23
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:12:40.36
Adz
Do you know what mean?
00:12:41.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's a...
00:12:41.88
Adz
Like i can't imagine Jokic and Luka really caring if it was USA versus the world. Giannis on the other hand cares. SGA cares.
00:12:50.11
Russell Gibson
I'm really reluctant to say that Jokic doesn't care. I think he cares deeply about his craft and what he does, but it's just the way he comes across. He just seems very nonchalant. I will give you that.
00:13:00.40
Adz
i I don't think he cares about All-Star Weekend.
00:13:02.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:13:03.48
Adz
I think he sees it as a disruption to the business that he does during the year.
00:13:07.43
Russell Gibson
But he walz also wasn't excited about winning a championship either. But like he has to care about that. You know what I mean?
00:13:12.01
Adz
True, true.
00:13:12.23
Russell Gibson
like He wasn't like...
00:13:12.53
Adz
That's his job. That's his job.
00:13:13.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it was so weird. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Let's move on. So the next thing we're going talk about is Wemby. So this whole segment now is basically um listener responses to our posts about Wemby that we've put up.
00:13:24.84
Russell Gibson
So I've just been trying to map this out of my head. So... One date that I want everybody to remember is the 20th of February. And that was the day that Wemby got injured. So when we talk about the sales, so for example, this first one, we're going to talk about the Nebula one of one that got sold.
00:13:40.36
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
00:13:40.75
Russell Gibson
That sold two days after the injury. So that's the final bid on that was the 22nd of February. So you would assume that if you're bidding that much money, you're at least following Wemby's injury history at that time. So that was one thing i was like, did this sell before the injury or did it sell afterward? Because if it's sold before, you know that's terrible timing.
00:14:03.05
Russell Gibson
It does make me think if it's sold for this that much after the injury...
00:14:08.24
Adz
Yeah, then it's it's like, what the hell?
00:14:08.58
Russell Gibson
What would this have sold for if he wasn't injured?
00:14:10.32
Adz
Yeah, okay.
00:14:11.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So let's, I'll get your response first. Where are you at with this card? This one of one Nebula sold for $860,000. You know, this is huge dollars. Clearly the hobby is dead.
00:14:20.28
Adz
But that's at scale. the the the ne The nebulous side of it. Yeah, well, obviously, the hobby's dead.
00:14:25.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The hobby's dead, right?
00:14:26.73
Adz
there's no There's no money in it whatsoever.
00:14:27.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah. but Break out the t-shirts.
00:14:29.64
Adz
Yeah, that's it. the The hobby is rest in peace. Sorry, but...
00:14:32.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:34.83
Adz
I don't know. Like 860 is a reasonable price for, and I'm scaling it based on previous sales, right? We talked about what the Brandon Miller would go for.
00:14:41.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:43.64
Adz
We talked about what the Jalen Brunson went for.
00:14:46.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:46.14
Adz
but we're We're theorizing about all these cards, but like this is the Wemby. Wemby's one of one, right? Rookie card. So I think this is a really good price.
00:14:58.53
Adz
I had it between half a mil and a mil. and And we're just over that in but right in the middle of it at 860. So...
00:15:05.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think all my hesitation in my head now is all around what's currently happening with him. It's just that I just feel like when you're paying so much money on these cards on pure speculation, you're
00:15:18.84
Adz
This is on the basis that he's healthy.
00:15:19.08
Russell Gibson
And also he was injured two days before, you know, and it could go the Chris Bosh way. It could go the Brandon Ingram way. You know, I'm definitely not trying to, you know, create controversy in that space.
00:15:29.36
Russell Gibson
Like you just don't know yeah that's going to play out, but that's the part that's really stuck in my head. It's just, I think people that buy this stuff have just got the hugest balls in history.
00:15:34.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:38.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:39.44
Russell Gibson
I think that's the way I'd probably view that. So yeah, I think that,
00:15:44.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:48.02
Russell Gibson
That's probably my response. i don't really have really too much more to say for that. So why don't we move on to what some of the listeners have been talking about?
00:15:54.89
Adz
yeah
00:15:55.21
Russell Gibson
We then put up another post on our Facebook page and it just showed a graph. um That graph actually actually demonstrated the 12-month trend. sorry the twelve month trend And now's probably a really good time for us just to check his current results.
00:16:08.17
Russell Gibson
CardLadder pricing, because again, let's keep that 20th of February date in our mind. Because when we zoom into CardLadder, we can go through every single sale since the 20th of February.
00:16:19.10
Adz
Hang on.
00:16:19.24
Russell Gibson
So the 20th of February, if you're looking at the one month graph, it's basically just at the end. that was 817, 800, 772, 728, 700, 709, 712. Now we're starting drop down a little bit 690, seven seven two
00:16:27.72
Adz
No ketchup.
00:16:28.83
Russell Gibson
seven twenty eight seven hundred seven ah nine seven twelve now we're starting to drop down a little bit more six ninety $7.17, $6.93, and $7.12.
00:16:39.96
Russell Gibson
So clearly the card has found a new baseline for what collectors are willing to pay.
00:16:45.76
Adz
But it's not a huge drop, it's less than 10%.
00:16:49.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so in the last month, he's down 8%. and You could probably zoom in a little bit.
00:16:53.56
Adz
15% over the last two weeks.
00:16:54.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, there you go. That's probably the the more accurate number, isn't it?
00:16:56.37
Adz
From February 17th to March 1st, yeah, yeah, okay.
00:16:57.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Which perfectly encapsulates that 20th of February thing. Yeah. so
00:17:02.03
Adz
Down to 15, okay.
00:17:02.54
Russell Gibson
So I think i think if we're if we're talking about all time, and I think let's use Tatum as our measuring stick here. So let's really quickly comp Tatum.
00:17:13.56
Adz
Sorry, I'm just reading comments. Anthony Milne just put in the, he's definitely not the the worst buyout there. A banana stapled to a wall got sold for 2.5 million. It's fun.
00:17:26.75
Russell Gibson
Okay, this is delicious. Jason Tatum at the moment is trading at $705. Population on that, however, is $912. So Tatum's got a championship. Yes, he wasn't the finals MVP, but I still would give it to him.
00:17:41.58
Adz
fun
00:17:42.05
Russell Gibson
um i i think Tatum is the right price. And I think Wemby is the speculative price. Plus, you've also got all of that extra population, you know, four and a bit extra.
00:17:53.23
Adz
I mean, we we talked about this a little while ago. we talked about this with regards to to Tatum and and him being the the most what correctly priced card in in the market.
00:17:56.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:02.71
Russell Gibson
Stable, safe. Yeah.
00:18:06.88
Adz
um
00:18:07.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:08.06
Adz
And it is. It's this. He seems to be the benchmark.
00:18:11.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Riley Fortin buying window. Don't tell anybody though. Yeah. So I am a hundred percent on board with this. I think that's exactly where everybody's head should be. I don't think your head should be panic sell.
00:18:24.85
Russell Gibson
It should be waiting for the right time for this stuff to bottom out and jumping into the market and, and having a go, because i think there's so many different examples. particularly in ultra modern where people have like bottomed out.
00:18:37.98
Russell Gibson
Cade Cunningham is ah he's probably the most recent and relevant one where basically for not the right reasons, he's bottomed out.
00:18:42.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:18:47.35
Russell Gibson
yeah Look, I think the Wemby reason is a little bit different to the Cade Cunningham reason, but it's, it's the same premise. When things start to look good again, that card will just trend back up. So I think that's totally fine.
00:18:58.85
Russell Gibson
Amir. Hello, Amir. I hope you're well, mate. Yes, I'm panicking.
00:19:05.48
Russell Gibson
So
00:19:06.16
Adz
Did you get clarity on this comment?
00:19:09.22
Russell Gibson
he did. He did reply back. I think it was a genuine... um it was it wasn't a sarcastic response, if that's what you... Yeah. So he's actually...
00:19:18.74
Adz
Oh,
00:19:19.35
Russell Gibson
What he's posted down here is a ah player breakdown his collection. Okay. So...
00:19:26.95
Adz
oh okay.
00:19:29.39
Russell Gibson
So he's got 65K worth of Wemby's. So that would make a lot of sense why he's definitely on the more anxious side.
00:19:35.98
Adz
Yep. That would make sense.
00:19:39.11
Russell Gibson
Fair, fair, fair. Alrighty, what are we up to next, Dan?
00:19:43.42
Adz
What have we got next? That's a Wemby... I think it's time we took a break actually. That's probably, we've been going for about 20 minutes.
00:19:48.58
Russell Gibson
Is it really? oh geez. All right, when we come back, we'll go through some Instagram responses and then we will... Be right back. Thank you very much to Sports Cards Australia.
00:20:03.71
Russell Gibson
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00:20:21.77
Russell Gibson
Water pistols are the big one at the moment in this hot summertime. Now, I really quickly touched base with Ross this week, but what did Ross want it to be pushed on? Ross needs more cards to be sent in.
00:20:33.54
Russell Gibson
There's plenty of cards going out to people who are purchasing them. The problem he's currently got now is people aren't sending in enough cards. So guys, if you've got boxes of cards sitting around, go onto US Sports Cards Australia, fill out the submission form, post off your cards to Ross. He'll take care of the rest.
00:20:52.12
Russell Gibson
It's as easy as that. Reach out to Ross, get your cards sent in, get them sold on consignment. The money just comes back into your account. It's the best way to be. Thank you again to Team US Sports Cards Australia.
00:21:12.67
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?
00:21:14.14
Adz
We are good. We are were we're trucking along. We just got sidetracked with all the Wemby talk, I guess.
00:21:20.04
Russell Gibson
That's not like us to get sidetracked, is it?
00:21:20.45
Adz
Almost. my But there's there's more Wemby talk. We had this post on Insta and on on the Facebook. So maybe we should she wrap up the Wemby discussions.
00:21:28.89
Russell Gibson
Let's get to it.
00:21:31.82
Russell Gibson
Flip it collectibles. Personally, I think prices have been way too high for hype and necessary correction was well due with or without their injury. Look, I do... Okay, that's fine. And if that's your opinion, you know, I respect that.
00:21:43.86
Russell Gibson
But I'd probably say to...
00:21:45.34
Adz
Hmm.
00:21:45.54
Russell Gibson
Like, if you look at the graphic that we've got up, there was already a correction happening before the injury. So I think...
00:21:50.57
Adz
Agreed.
00:21:51.71
Russell Gibson
um If your opinion is that even at $700, it needs further correction, I'm not too sure about that because I feel like we've already seen a new floor get created and we just outlined that a second ago. So look, you know that's fine and who knows what it will go down to. you know We never know that.
00:22:07.54
Russell Gibson
Chromie underscore G. Unfortunately, injuries happen part of the game, 100%. Too much dollars are invested into Wemby now to stop the hype train. Pop count, however. Yeah, and look, I think that's...
00:22:19.51
Russell Gibson
um That's a very reasonable thing to say, frankly. it's The pop count is insane.
00:22:23.50
Adz
that Yeah.
00:22:25.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:22:25.61
Adz
The popcorn is definitely something to be kid all to take under consideration.
00:22:30.96
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:22:31.46
Adz
I'm not going to say that we should be fearful of it but it is something to be to yeah to um like to be mindful of because it it's ah it's a big deal in this day and age.
00:22:48.23
Russell Gibson
And this next one, I wasn't too sure if it was from Al Cain's, but this one is from Patrick Ewing Collectibles underscore 33. The one thing keeping the current market on by a thread is crumbling.
00:22:59.04
Russell Gibson
I mean, there's a little bit more going on in the market than just Wemby, isn't there, Ad?
00:23:04.18
Adz
It's a bit funny.
00:23:06.40
Russell Gibson
I think in the ultra modern, it's absolutely been a huge, huge part of it.
00:23:11.84
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:12.06
Russell Gibson
And I'd probably also say too, it's one of the guaranteed liquid cards that is or was in the market. I think you can't deny that.
00:23:20.04
Adz
Agreed, agreed, completely agreed.
00:23:20.22
Russell Gibson
So maybe the point he's trying to make here is, okay, it's it's a terrible rookie class coming up. He's now injured. What are people going to be rolling their cash into?
00:23:31.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, maybe that's not as crazy as i initially sort of first read that comment as.
00:23:31.21
Adz
Yeah, goodby good point, good point.
00:23:35.75
Adz
But when you think about it, it's just, yeah, yeah. Okay.
00:23:40.57
Russell Gibson
All right, Ad, what have we missed?
00:23:40.85
Adz
You've got, guess you've got to be mindful. What have we, what have we missed? We've got instant.
00:23:43.66
Russell Gibson
I think that's everything. Did you want to add anything else into the Wemby conversation before we move on?
00:23:45.23
Adz
That's
00:23:48.62
Adz
look, um, it's a wait and see at the moment for me. I definitely don't want to tell everybody. Don't be concerned about it, but I'm not telling everybody to, to run and panic.
00:24:01.66
Adz
Um,
00:24:02.61
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.
00:24:02.86
Adz
If you've got them, hold them. but This will work out. I don't know. I think Wembe will be fine, but but it's one of those but you need to be mindful, especially we're talking big dollars as far as the pie goes with regards to the the part of the market this guy occupies.
00:24:20.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think for me, my strategy moving forward is is check card letter once a week.
00:24:25.22
Adz
Yeah, good point.
00:24:26.20
Russell Gibson
And then just jump into the market when you feel like it's gone down to you can swallow it, you know, the loss.
00:24:29.04
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:31.73
Russell Gibson
Honestly, that's where I'm at. I just think this is a very interesting sort of time, you know, moving ahead.
00:24:33.64
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:37.73
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, Caitlin Clark is the next thing. So last week we touched on this, you know, very quickly. i wanted to see a few more comps come out before we deep dived into it. And I found a whole bunch of comps.
00:24:47.73
Adz
Nice!
00:24:47.79
Russell Gibson
butre talking about We're talking about liquid cards. It's a really interesting thing for me because WNBA has not been popular at all the last couple of years. And now Caitlin Clark has come onto the scene and arguably it's hotter than NBA at the moment.
00:24:57.94
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:25:00.83
Russell Gibson
So I think we should definitely talk about this.
00:25:03.34
Adz
Yikes. Yep.
00:25:03.89
Russell Gibson
Caitlin Clark Sales. Alrighty. Cracked Ice, silver rookie card from Panini Prism, $150 or $152. A straight silver sold for the blue variation to one hundred and ninety nine sold for eight hundred and ninety USD.
00:25:21.89
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:25:22.60
Russell Gibson
All these prices in USD. I'll just say that so I can whip through it. The red fearless, 99 for 300. The green for 189. fractor, 86 out of 99 was the numbering that. $167. This just straight base cards. $34, 55, 57, 47, 54 and 55.
00:25:33.99
Russell Gibson
hundred and sixty seven dollars
00:25:34.43
Adz
Okay.
00:25:36.38
Russell Gibson
this is just straight base cards thirty four dollars fifty five fifty seven forty seven fifty four and fifty five
00:25:42.76
Adz
Yep.
00:25:43.51
Russell Gibson
Silver horizontal variation for 22.9. That's probably my favorite purchase out of all of these, frankly. The blue laser for 136. Monopoly red for 63.
00:25:54.13
Russell Gibson
A checkerboard for 500. A collegiate kaleidoscopic, which is a insert set. Hyper for 56.
00:26:02.96
Adz
Yep.
00:26:03.02
Russell Gibson
If I had to summarize all of these purchases into one sentence, it is, this is the correct time to sell. and
00:26:10.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:12.46
Russell Gibson
these people who are selling them now, i honestly think that even if she is the greatest of all time, in between now and then, there's going to be a dip in the market where you could just jump back in and pick up this stuff.
00:26:23.78
Adz
Definitely, without doubt.
00:26:24.95
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
00:26:25.25
Adz
Okay.
00:26:27.31
Russell Gibson
The only one where I'm a little bit... I'll just sort of eat my hat a little bit is maybe the blue to 199. I mean, if that comes back as a PSA 10, you know, maybe that's the type of card that actually, you know, is something you just put into your vault and keep forever.
00:26:38.67
Adz
okay
00:26:43.40
Adz
huh
00:26:43.38
Russell Gibson
And also you're not going to particularly be able to buy it that easily. But for example, the base cards, the silvers, the cracked dices, the greens, You know, they're relatively easy to pick up on the secondary market.
00:26:55.10
Russell Gibson
I wouldn't be too worried about, you know, moving on from those in the future.
00:26:56.12
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:58.48
Russell Gibson
So look, you know, really interesting one. I think, again, we have to give our little bit of ah roses to Caitlin Clark. So maybe she's the one who's going to be holding up the hobby for the next few months until Wemi comes back.
00:27:11.51
Adz
Oh, look, I think there are plenty of players to to hold up the hobby.
00:27:15.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:16.33
Adz
um Like, again, Wemby was the new the new shiny, the new hotness, whatever you want to call it.
00:27:22.40
Russell Gibson
He was shiny.
00:27:23.50
Adz
He was definitely shiny, and he was and it was the real deal.
00:27:24.96
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:27:26.86
Adz
So the injury is a bit sad. But you're right, in the WNBA space, Caitlin Clark for sure, for sure ah is is the real deal.
00:27:35.44
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:27:37.23
Adz
and It's good to see that spotlight stay on on on the WNBA.
00:27:41.96
Russell Gibson
So, I don't think I've ever asked you this. Now that Prism's out, would you consider buying a Caitlin Clark?
00:27:50.25
Adz
Maybe. But it's still not for the prices they're going for.
00:27:51.50
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay. Okay. Yep. So you're not into WNBA at all, but you would still maybe consider it.
00:27:57.04
Adz
Not personally, no. No.
00:28:02.03
Adz
She's definitely an iconic player, for sure.
00:28:03.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:04.61
Adz
Yep. Yep.
00:28:06.97
Russell Gibson
right.
00:28:07.12
Adz
that would be That would be my view on that, yeah.
00:28:09.78
Russell Gibson
Let's move on This is from our listener, Ados Uchos. And if you are following along from last year in our summary, he was our second highest rated guest of last year. So Ados, we need to get you back onto the show.
00:28:24.62
Adz
Me too.
00:28:24.94
Russell Gibson
Now, he's posted about Nicole Yokeek kaboom with an autograph onto it. Card grading versus auto grading. Here's a tricky one. After looking through eBay searching for Yokeek kabooms, as I do often, ah found this certified Yokeek auto on one.
00:28:40.37
Russell Gibson
I was pleasantly surprised until the confusion on whether the card is graded 10% or the auto-graded a 10, whether it is a real kaboom, or just a signed proxy or something along those lines.
00:28:51.34
Russell Gibson
I 100% understand the question you're asking. You're basically saying, what the hell does this mean? I think that's the best way to say it. If it was a true kaboom, then why wouldn't you just get the card graded as well? Anyway, just a bit of a noodle scratcher.
00:29:07.03
Adz
Oh, this is, is is this triggering or what for me?
00:29:11.75
Russell Gibson
i mean, I can let you... answer that if you want.
00:29:15.92
Adz
I, i ah well, you mean me or no, my Kaboom story, but I think this is not a legitimate card.
00:29:16.24
Russell Gibson
If you're triggered, yes.
00:29:26.20
Adz
It's a fake card, isn't it? With an autograph on it. So the, pi that they so the auto is, is, is certified as a legit thingo?
00:29:39.85
Adz
ah just I just don't know if it's a real card. Because it says trading card, Nikola Jokic. It doesn't say anything about the actual card.
00:29:49.18
Adz
I have concerns. That would be my thing. I have concerns.
00:29:54.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:56.62
Adz
I don't know. I worry about that one.
00:30:01.06
Adz
But yeah, that's misleading. If you get a card that and it's the autograph that's being graded, not the actual integrity of the card, then it's that's very concerning.
00:30:09.23
Russell Gibson
yeah So to answer the question specifically, it is actually an invitation to boom.
00:30:17.81
Adz
It's imitation Kaboom.
00:30:17.93
Russell Gibson
Because looking at a PSA 10 of that card, which it's basically ripping off, it says 2020 Crown Royale.
00:30:29.18
Adz
Correct.
00:30:30.16
Russell Gibson
So that's that part of it.
00:30:34.63
Adz
So it's a fake card with an autograph on it.
00:30:36.85
Russell Gibson
I think that answers the question.
00:30:40.95
Russell Gibson
But somehow they've given the card a 10 and then they've certified the autograph.
00:30:43.91
Adz
Uh huh.
00:30:45.59
Russell Gibson
That's the way i would read that.
00:30:48.36
Adz
Oh, the actual...
00:30:51.84
Adz
Yeah, that's that's misleading. The fact that it says trading card, it hasn't been verified as the Crown Royale one, though.
00:31:08.83
Adz
Auto grade. The auto is graded 10. I think this is terrible. PSA should not do this.
00:31:22.58
Russell Gibson
Reading through the post, actually, George, who is a very frequent contactor and I'm going to say, I'm assuming listener of the show, and is more well known for his Patrick Ewing experience.
00:31:30.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:36.08
Russell Gibson
ah collection and he spends a lot of time getting Patrick Ewing to sign his own personal cards and then send them off to PSA. So he's very like well experienced in all this.
00:31:42.69
Adz
Yep.
00:31:44.63
Russell Gibson
He actually summarizes it really well. um Easy determine trading card is issued by PSA DNA. They only authenticate the auto as one option or option two is auto grade with PSA is either C AAA card authentication, auto authentication. And this is just really complicated, isn't it?
00:32:02.93
Adz
keeping
00:32:03.11
Russell Gibson
C-A-A-G card authentication auto-grade card-grade auto-authentication C-G-A-G dual service.
00:32:09.97
Adz
mine.
00:32:12.21
Russell Gibson
Keep in mind, once done via PSA, we'll display the details of the card on the ticket. Also, the answer your question at the end is to auto-grade via PSA DNA is cheaper.
00:32:17.50
Adz
And
00:32:22.33
Russell Gibson
Also, waiting time is half. Normally, a card signed in this instance would be a low-grade. 7-8 would probably look at this avenue. I've already been looked at, so...
00:32:34.28
Russell Gibson
I feel like despite George laying it out to us perfectly, it's still very confusing, isn't it?
00:32:34.39
Adz
um
00:32:41.33
Adz
So the... ah the the every every we Have we got... It's a fake kaboom, isn't it?
00:32:51.86
Adz
I don't even care about the autograph, of them but the fact that it's autographed at the moment, I'm wondering if the card's genuine. I'm pretty sure that's what ADOS was alluding to.
00:33:01.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:01.53
Adz
Like, it's all well and good to have a Jokic autograph, but is the card that it's on legitimate? Or is it just like getting a ticket stub signed?
00:33:13.09
Adz
Do you know what mean?
00:33:16.61
Russell Gibson
I feel like I'm on the record now with this. So I have to like, I have to actually say something. Okay. I'm going with, this is not a genuine card. And the way I would read that is because I'm looking at a genuine one on the PSA register and it actually says 2020 crown Royale, kaboom, like that exact same card.
00:33:25.30
Adz
Agreed.
00:33:33.73
Adz
Yeah, so so george George's thing says what comes off the ticket that's lodged to PSA.
00:33:34.41
Russell Gibson
This one doesn't.
00:33:39.56
Adz
So trading card Nikola Jokic is what was on the ticket raised.
00:33:44.11
Russell Gibson
Right.
00:33:44.27
Adz
So in order to circumnavigate the legitimacy of the card, they haven't put it through as Crown Royal
00:33:56.87
Adz
2020, 2021, kaboom. They've put it as trading card, which it looks like a trading card.
00:33:58.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:34:04.58
Adz
Tick, Nikola Jokic, PSA certified auto.
00:34:08.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:34:11.35
Adz
Grade is gem mint 10. Because that's the auto that's been graded.
00:34:16.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:17.46
Adz
But it's just the autograph that's been great. It has nothing to do with the card. So my thought here is that he's yeah in agreement with yours, it's not a genuine card at all.
00:34:23.89
Russell Gibson
yeah It's just a stay away, isn't it?
00:34:26.80
Adz
it's ah it's It's a 10 out of 10 autograph.
00:34:32.98
Adz
i would I would be, and and it's not just because I've been bitten by fakes, but I would just stay away from this.
00:34:39.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think that this is a really good example of how sometimes complicated things can be within the hobby and also how clever a some people can be to create that sort of diffusion, I suppose, away from the truth.
00:34:52.22
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:55.97
Russell Gibson
And I think the other thing that... you know, it's probably worth also mentioning now, it's just the support that is out there. So what are the resources out there to help you solve these problems? I think talking to the right people. So in this instance, George was the right person to answer this question.
00:35:10.97
Russell Gibson
You know, not me.
00:35:12.05
Adz
Explained it.
00:35:12.14
Russell Gibson
i'm I'm not an expert on this at all. However, you know, the tool that I did use is the PSA registry. And that's the thing that helps me go, okay, look, this doesn't look the same as that. This is the different wording on that. That helps me sort of say, this is not, you know, a true kaboom.
00:35:25.31
Russell Gibson
So, and look, I feel like,
00:35:26.13
Adz
Yeah. Agreed,
00:35:29.69
Russell Gibson
That's my opinion. Even if I'm wrong, I would still roll with that anyway. I wouldn't be putting my cash into that card just for the fact the way it has been laid out. So I think for me, and look, maybe I'm being too conservative, but that's just the way I sort of you know view this thing.
00:35:45.26
Russell Gibson
ah Final thoughts on this.
00:35:45.31
Adz
ah great agreed.
00:35:46.14
Russell Gibson
and We're going to go to our next breakout.
00:35:47.61
Adz
Yeah, look, final thoughts on that is, yeah, buyer beware. they You are very, it's easy to read something once, be suckered in by it.
00:35:50.92
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:35:55.76
Russell Gibson
Hmm. Yep.
00:35:57.63
Adz
Take a second look and absorb everything. If something doesn't look right, i.e.
00:36:02.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:03.19
Adz
the word trading card instead of what set it's from, that's a red flag.
00:36:08.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:08.70
Adz
it doesn't look right, it probably isn't.
00:36:12.62
Russell Gibson
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00:36:41.88
Russell Gibson
Gift cards, grading services, pre-order trading cards. Let's have a look at what they've got on pre-order. 2425 Topps Liverpool Palatial Hobby for $1,400.
00:36:55.07
Russell Gibson
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00:37:08.00
Russell Gibson
Actually, both of those last two are out of stock. So the lads are doing really well at moving some stock out the door. Let's look at one more thing before we move on. I'm in a FC 25 mood at the moment.
00:37:19.99
Adz
Ha ha ha.
00:37:20.21
Russell Gibson
I wouldn't mind opening some soccer cards.
00:37:24.45
Russell Gibson
$24.25 Tops Argentina Soccer Team Setbox for $110. That sounds more in my price range instead of the $1,400 for the play show. Again, thank you so much, guys, for supporting us.
00:37:37.29
Russell Gibson
Couldn't thank you enough for all the support that you've given us. Thank you very much.
00:37:48.40
Russell Gibson
Welcome back to segment three of today's show. Adam, are you hydrated?
00:37:53.15
Adz
I am very hydrated. I i have a trusty yeah water great way to to to voice it, yeah.
00:37:58.17
Russell Gibson
Great. This next segment is going to be focusing on a video that at the real 27 guys has put up on his Instagram. If you don't follow Adam Graham, Insta, please do.
00:38:10.20
Russell Gibson
He just makes good content. I think that's the best way to talk about it.
00:38:16.06
Russell Gibson
I will quickly summarize this video here. Basically it's about a mega collector of Tom Brady who'd done a bunch of deals with one particular guy
00:38:23.50
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:26.70
Russell Gibson
the person who he'd normally been doing deals with essentially then acted as a middleman. for a huge deal, which was a one-of-one Tom Brady, which the collector wanted for his collection.
00:38:32.37
Adz
Okay.
00:38:38.49
Russell Gibson
They came to a deal of approximately $600,000. The deal was $300,000 upfront. The card would be delivered, then you'd pay the second $300,000.
00:38:48.00
Adz
Hmm.
00:38:49.56
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately, when the card was delivered, it was just an empty one-touch in a FedEx bag. So unfortunately, he'd been scammed out of it. So I think the thing I want to talk to you about it is The whole part about using a third person essentially as a ah middleman for negotiations, I really do feel as though that is a red flag absolutely for me. Some of the other red flags I was speaking about too is that the card coining didn't look correct.
00:39:19.34
Russell Gibson
Someone else also suggested in the comments that why didn't you do a video call with the person so you could actually you know visualize the person, visualize the card you know in sort of that real-time setting, and which is better than coining.
00:39:29.76
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:32.66
Russell Gibson
Another person said, why would you deliver a card for $600,000 via FedEx? Wouldn't you use a courier or wouldn't you pay for a plane ticket, go out, get it from the person, pick it up, you know come back?
00:39:46.11
Russell Gibson
I think that's all very reasonable and relevant suggestions, by the way.
00:39:49.37
Adz
yeah
00:39:51.49
Russell Gibson
I think my feeling about this though was that he'd done so many deals with this guy that he did feel comfortable to spend the 300k up front. And I think that's my sort of lasting thought about all this is that you spend so much time in the hobby building up relationships and trust with people for then something like this to happen. I i think it's very sobering for me because there's I've got a handful of people I'll send out stock to them before I get cash.
00:40:21.04
Russell Gibson
I will run breaks for people before I've got the money.
00:40:23.49
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:25.08
Russell Gibson
You know, after a you know a certain number of years, you really can get comfortable with people. So I think that's the real one for me. That's not shaking me, but it makes me does really think about it.
00:40:36.69
Russell Gibson
So what about yourself?
00:40:37.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:38.27
Russell Gibson
Where are you at with this post?
00:40:39.95
Adz
Um,
00:40:42.86
Adz
I've just sort of read through a few of the comments, but the biggest thing that sticks out to me is using third parties, they need to be like verified and I don't know, you need some level of trust and guarantee.
00:41:00.03
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:41:00.32
Adz
Like we talk about, well I mean, obviously the other week we talked about regulation, but there's got to be a way to facilitate these things with some level of um integrity.
00:41:13.00
Adz
for the transaction. Like you're talking over half a million dollars. This is insane. why would you Why would you treat it like it's a $2,000 card at a trade, at a card show?
00:41:25.65
Adz
This is serious money.
00:41:27.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think that's real like a real hindsight thing though. I think in hindsight, when this has all been summarized and played out, you're like, why on earth would you do that? But at the same time, if it's something that you really, really want and you've dealt with someone, you know, multiple times and also you're a high-end dealer, like maybe for regular people, maybe this is the equivalent of us doing like $1,000 deal. Yeah.
00:41:55.05
Russell Gibson
Or a $2,000 deal. Do you know what I mean? Like for them, that's just a wheelhouse that they deal in.
00:41:59.77
Adz
So the guy that brokered it is in the comments on the Instagram post. This um B Feldman 80.
00:42:09.03
Russell Gibson
Which is an interesting little side note to it all, isn't it?
00:42:11.63
Adz
Yeah, it's like, I saw the card and held it. At least what looked like the card, those photos were on sent to me and I forwarded them to Steve. I am not the seller. I just brokered the deal.
00:42:23.38
Russell Gibson
He is the broker.
00:42:23.44
Adz
And I did, yeah, I did not receive any of the funds.
00:42:24.26
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.
00:42:26.74
Adz
The seller gave me the package and I put a shipping label on it and dropped it off at FedEx. That's what happened. also Also, there was an 86 Fleer Jordan that was shipped to another buyer from this seller and was also not in the FedEx box.
00:42:43.44
Adz
Wow.
00:42:44.60
Russell Gibson
I still think if you're the middle man, you do have some accountability.
00:42:48.09
Adz
Own it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:49.16
Russell Gibson
I don't think he is twofold. So just taking what you're talking about. So this is many episodes ago, but we had the owner of Veriswap come onto the show.
00:42:58.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:59.45
Russell Gibson
So there are actually platforms out there that you can do this.
00:42:59.53
Adz
Long time ago. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:43:02.71
Russell Gibson
You go onto the platform, you pay them a percentage of whatever it is.
00:43:03.20
Adz
Agreed that. Mm hmm.
00:43:07.14
Russell Gibson
They receive the cash.
00:43:07.36
Adz
And they broker the deal.
00:43:08.38
Russell Gibson
They receive the card. When everything's clears, they then forward it on. It's done. 100% insurance. datadadada So actually, this is not like we're living in the 80s where there isn't platforms and stuff like that out there for it. So I think that's the other thing when you talk about these things too. like Obviously, we're using hindsight here. We're just...
00:43:28.19
Russell Gibson
we're being podcast is just commenting on the thing, you know, like, what are we talking about? But, you know, I think that, yeah, definitely should have been avoided.
00:43:38.82
Adz
Are there questions, arian are there integrity and questions around the guy that brokered the deal? Is he part of it? Is he in on it?
00:43:47.36
Russell Gibson
I wouldn't question his I wouldn't question his integrity, but I would question his common sense.
00:43:47.51
Adz
I mean, it's all it's all speculation, right?
00:43:52.96
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:53.27
Russell Gibson
Like if you're brokering for someone, you're also essentially vouching for them.
00:43:56.86
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:58.98
Russell Gibson
Wouldn't he have checked the parcel before he put into the mail?
00:44:01.73
Adz
It's a 500, it's a half a million dollar card.
00:44:04.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That's at least you can say he didn't do his due diligence. All right, let's move on because I feel like we've um we've overcooked this one.
00:44:10.19
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:11.86
Russell Gibson
And I want to talk about this card more than I want to talk about what we just spoke about. This is a Steph Curry Flawless card that sold this week. The reason I want to talk to you about this is because of the sale price that it sold for.
00:44:23.23
Russell Gibson
It sold for $168,000. It is a sticker autograph. The sticker isn't clearly visible. I will... Agree with that. And I think that is a major detractor of this card.
00:44:35.06
Russell Gibson
However, it is numbered to just five. And we were just talking about a card today, Nebula one of one that sold for, you need to help me out here, Ad, was it?
00:44:47.64
Adz
$860,000. $860,000. that a question?
00:44:49.40
Russell Gibson
I was going to say $868,000. Okay, you're right.
00:44:52.03
Adz
eight sixty yeah
00:44:53.48
Russell Gibson
So would you rather have this Steph Curry number to five, Logerman autographed from his rookie year, or would you rather have this Nebula for $860,000?
00:45:05.05
Russell Gibson
Like, I was, I wanted to, no, I wanted to slide this in when we talk about the Nebula before, but I'm kind of glad that I waited because it's it's such a fun like question you know for us to break down and talk about.
00:45:07.81
Adz
is that a trick question
00:45:18.97
Adz
Oh, I'm like every day of the week taking the Steph.
00:45:24.20
Russell Gibson
I know. as much as I think that that Nebula is overs,
00:45:30.29
Adz
If that's the highest price, I'm taking all five of those Stephs.
00:45:33.70
Russell Gibson
yeah.
00:45:35.27
Adz
You know what i mean? Like that's insane.
00:45:36.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. As much as the Wemby went for overs, I feel like this Steph Curry's has gone for unders.
00:45:43.68
Adz
yeah
00:45:46.19
Adz
That's insane.
00:45:46.18
Russell Gibson
I'm actually a little bit confused as to why it went so on. Look, ah lovely it's a sticker autograph. The autograph isn't that visible, but even for a Steph rookie Logoman.
00:45:51.47
Adz
yeah
00:45:54.36
Adz
But it's... But it's stiff. It's rookie Logoman.
00:45:58.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:01.47
Adz
Logoman. it's
00:46:04.67
Russell Gibson
What do you think the future value of this card actually is?
00:46:13.41
Adz
I think this card... I'd be interested to see what the others look like. Um...
00:46:22.12
Adz
I think this card in 10 years time is worth more than a million dollars.
00:46:26.49
Russell Gibson
Okay. I was going to say it at least doubles, maybe triples. That was my sort of gut feeling.
00:46:30.69
Adz
um I'm giving it some time, but I'll post there for kind retirement.
00:46:32.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:35.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:35.61
Adz
so It's a million dollar card in my eyes.
00:46:36.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. This is not a quick flip.
00:46:37.17
Adz
It's a logo, man. It's not It's a good buy.
00:46:38.21
Russell Gibson
Hold hold onto it. Yeah, exactly. So just two people. This is from, sorry, by the way, this content is from Card Ladder. Thank you so much Card Ladder for your support too. ah The two comments are SplashBrotherSHK.
00:46:51.19
Russell Gibson
It was criminally cheap, 100%. ah This one is Tupac Collection, which is a play on words of Tupac, I believe.
00:46:58.43
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:58.46
Russell Gibson
And he said comical steal. um a plus to both of those comments. I could not agree with you more.
00:47:03.68
Adz
Yeah, it's amazing.
00:47:05.01
Russell Gibson
um What else have we got here in the quick hitters? Let's do one more and we'll get our last break in, Ad, because we've we've been absolutely all over the place with...
00:47:12.72
Adz
With the breaks today, yes, this is true.
00:47:14.66
Russell Gibson
Let's do bowl bowl as our quick hitter, and then we'll go for a break, and then we'll come back and we'll talk about PSA changing their grading guidelines.
00:47:22.68
Adz
Right.
00:47:22.68
Russell Gibson
So the Phoenix Suns are absolutely all over the place at the moment. They've got KD. Basically, they've agreed to trade him at the end of the year.
00:47:29.60
Adz
Wow.
00:47:29.83
Russell Gibson
They've got a very veteran-laden team with no future draft picks. They've got Bradley Beal coming off the bench, getting paid $50 million dollars a year. Now he's back in the starting lineup. It's just a hot, hot mess over there.
00:47:41.39
Russell Gibson
ah There was another story of the Suns this week saying that the coaching staff took Devin Booker into the coach's office and said, you're too vocal on the court and you're too vocal in huddles and the coaching staff can't get a word in.
00:47:54.32
Russell Gibson
I think this just sounds like...
00:47:56.77
Adz
wow
00:47:57.85
Russell Gibson
um Yeah, waiting for Coach Budd to get fired, frankly. Anyway, Bol Bol, 25 points, five three-pointers and two blocks. The talent has always been there.
00:48:10.23
Russell Gibson
ah The joke during COVID was, you know, how much Bol Bol are you holding?
00:48:13.25
Adz
Hmm. It's
00:48:14.90
Russell Gibson
He was literally the hottest commodity that maybe wasn't Ja Morant and Zion Williamson. I haven't looked at Bol Bol prices for a very, very long time.
00:48:21.46
Adz
it's true.
00:48:25.73
Russell Gibson
I'm actually excited to do this, Adam. Silver PSA 10, the population on this is only 1,073. So that's four times less than a Wemby. ah It last sold for $41.
00:48:38.65
Russell Gibson
Let's look at the all-time sales of this.
00:48:40.48
Adz
Oh my goodness.
00:48:40.57
Russell Gibson
This is actually...
00:48:42.04
Adz
This is going to be...
00:48:42.28
Russell Gibson
So the peak, this sold for $546, and then there was another sale above $712. There was one there. So um look, I think he's found his floor, hasn't he? He was at $11.50 at one point.
00:49:00.77
Adz
Wow.
00:49:00.83
Russell Gibson
Are you buying a bowl ball at $40 ad? That's the real question.
00:49:03.94
Adz
No, I'm not.
00:49:03.95
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.
00:49:05.78
Adz
I'm not. I'm not. I'm sorry. I'm not. Last sold 41 bucks.
00:49:14.10
Adz
But it's better than the people that paid like 500 bucks for it.
00:49:17.01
Russell Gibson
Oh, geez. Yep. All right.
00:49:20.49
Adz
That was funny.
00:49:20.78
Russell Gibson
we We do not have a sponsor for this last ad break. ah We said ah very beautiful goodbye to the Melbourne cartel last week. We do have some sponsorship news, though.
00:49:33.01
Russell Gibson
Our Timeless Moments episode is going to be brought to you by our good friends at the Hobby Hangout. So we'll be talking more about that over the next couple of weeks.
00:49:41.07
Adz
Yeah, good.
00:49:42.65
Russell Gibson
But let's go get a quick cup of tea ad and then we will be back.
00:49:45.95
Adz
Back for the final stretch.
00:50:00.47
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. Adam, how you doing?
00:50:02.72
Adz
I am fabulous.
00:50:04.75
Russell Gibson
Are you hydrated?
00:50:06.03
Adz
I'm always hydrated. Look after to myself, and make sure
00:50:07.56
Russell Gibson
Right.
00:50:10.02
Adz
so wouldn't wouldn't want Wouldn't want to be um caught dry. That
00:50:14.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So,
00:50:17.00
Adz
sounded wrong.
00:50:18.66
Russell Gibson
A little bit, but that's that's okay. We can move on. It's it's not a problem. All right. There was a story coming out this week about PSA changing their grading guidelines. And I was definitely interested in reading more about this.
00:50:31.60
Adz
Hmm.
00:50:33.41
Russell Gibson
And the most informative thing that I actually found was on Reddit. And the answer came from a customer who had emailed PSA to get a response from them.
00:50:44.93
Russell Gibson
And basically what they were talking about was the the percentage on the centering change.
00:50:49.90
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:50:51.02
Russell Gibson
And what the response was, actually, it's already been in their PSA guidelines for quite a long time, but now they're just emphasizing this more emphasizing It's been brought into the public knowledge. So I suppose the other way you can say this is that influencers have caught onto this and made it a bit of a story this week. So actually the truth is somewhere in the middle.
00:51:15.46
Russell Gibson
It's already been something that PSA have implemented.
00:51:17.43
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:51:18.91
Russell Gibson
It's already been on the website. And so... Yeah. So just to really quickly read through, not the whole, all the responses, but update. I asked for more clarification after this email.
00:51:31.33
Russell Gibson
Thank you for your reply as well. In regards to the verbiage, the reason why we updated the website is to make sure the standards are clear. The 55-45 tolerance has always been the norm, but at the greatest discretion,
00:51:43.51
Russell Gibson
they can allow up to sixty forty I sincerely apologize for any confusion regarding this. I can definitely see where you're coming from. yeah and and and So I think where I sort of sit with this is, that and what I don't like, I would prefer something that's a lot more objective.
00:52:00.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:01.16
Russell Gibson
And also, why do you leave it up to the greatest discretion you know for that? Because if you if you're already allowing, if you already have an allowance, why do you need an allowance plus also
00:52:05.60
Adz
That's concerning.
00:52:13.20
Russell Gibson
at the greatest discretion. Like to me, that's where, you know, I don't like this at all. And so I, I do think this does raise some interesting points though. So there was a video that was released um and I actually haven't heard of this Instagrammer previously at we the hobby underscore cards and
00:52:33.96
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:35.00
Russell Gibson
His point he was trying to raise is that does it actually increase the value of nines? If tens are going to be so much more difficult to get now, would that sort of create a bit of bump on when it comes to nines?
00:52:48.07
Russell Gibson
Look, I think the answer is no. And the reason I say that is is because that... People don't value nines. They don't value eights. They want tens. I think it's as simple as that.
00:52:58.29
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:59.41
Russell Gibson
The only thing where this does become a little bit more, maybe not complicated, but intricate is the grading on the numbering of cards. So where I'm coming from, that is is the population. If there's hundreds and hundreds of nines, well, no, the value is not there.
00:53:13.38
Russell Gibson
If there's two nines, so the example for that is a kaboom.
00:53:18.64
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:19.51
Russell Gibson
right?
00:53:19.92
Adz
This this is very pop.
00:53:20.33
Russell Gibson
When all of these cards, the centering is off or it's a low numbered card.
00:53:21.67
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:24.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:25.15
Adz
Yep.
00:53:25.58
Russell Gibson
PSA nines can become valuable, can become very collectible. And also too are a landing point for people that want to get into that particular card and can't afford a 10.
00:53:34.14
Adz
Agreed.
00:53:35.30
Russell Gibson
You know, that's where nines become, you know, super interesting. But yeah, I think just for the regular Wemby PSAs, Jamarant, LeBron 20th year silver PSA 9s. No.
00:53:49.40
Russell Gibson
Like there's no.
00:53:49.51
Adz
i don I just don't i don't see it, yeah.
00:53:51.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:53.11
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:53.64
Russell Gibson
um
00:53:53.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:55.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah Look, I think, do we need to talk more about this or is that enough?
00:53:59.09
Adz
No, I think you've hit the nail on the head pretty pretty well.
00:54:01.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:02.95
Adz
um it's It's interesting, and I agree with you. it needs to be very straight down the line rather than this nonsense of the greatest discretion.
00:54:10.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:12.47
Adz
We need to know what we're sending off.
00:54:12.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:15.43
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like if, if there needs to be black and white guidelines on how to grade a card.
00:54:20.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I feel like there's also too, there's already enough public perception that PSA is a little bit variable on their grading. So I feel like saying, using the words, you know, greatest discretion, I feel like that creates more variation, which I would like to see less of.
00:54:35.20
Adz
Yep. And I think that's, yeah, that's fraught with, fraught with danger.
00:54:37.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:38.95
Adz
I feel.
00:54:39.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah We're going to do two Adam Gray posts in one show. Look, again, i think if he's got good content, he's got good content.
00:54:44.33
Adz
Oh, whoa.
00:54:48.10
Russell Gibson
I'll summarize this really quickly.
00:54:49.95
Adz
Yep.
00:54:50.27
Russell Gibson
Adam Gray at one time was speculating that the flawless base set numbered 20 was going to be hyper collectible. And he went out and purchased the whole lot. But in fact, when he looks back at this time,
00:55:02.56
Russell Gibson
the 2012 Prism set became king. So I think this is a really good one for us to talk about because in my head, Prism is king.
00:55:10.12
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:55:13.66
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, it doesn't mean that there isn't other stuff that is collectible. And, you know, we did a segment a while back, you know, what would I do if i started my collecting again from today and I didn't have done all the things that I've done?
00:55:18.20
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:26.71
Russell Gibson
I would only buy flawless NT and that high-end stuff. And I would say buying a full base set of that is an insane purchase. Yes, he probably hasn't made as much return on investment if he had put that same amount of money to Prism. like I get that 100%.
00:55:43.19
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:43.20
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, in terms of collectability, that stuff is it's beautiful. that They're proper 130-point trading cards. The artwork is fantastic.
00:55:54.64
Russell Gibson
you know or does's The whole thing, it's just they're flawless.
00:55:56.01
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:55:57.22
Russell Gibson
you know So,
00:56:00.32
Russell Gibson
it's a really interesting dynamic within the hobby, you know, this whole flawless versus prism thing. So I'd love to hear what you've got to say about it.
00:56:07.41
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:08.50
Russell Gibson
and Yeah.
00:56:09.38
Adz
um Look, I don't think I've got anything to really add to it. You know what I mean?
00:56:15.67
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:56:16.10
Adz
Like, going back, hindsight's a beautiful thing, isn't it?
00:56:19.81
Russell Gibson
Oh, hundred percent.
00:56:21.00
Adz
um
00:56:21.19
Russell Gibson
Just like that dude getting scammed 300 right? Like,
00:56:24.73
Adz
It's...
00:56:27.30
Adz
It's interesting. i think I think going back in time, all i my advice is just hold on to the big cards.
00:56:35.13
Adz
Like you pull something big and then look, how much are PMGs worth when they, you know, like kabooms now, like it's, you might see a kaboom triple in value.
00:56:41.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:48.70
Adz
It might be time to buy, time to sell. You see what, saw what happened with with PMGs. Like, du would you would you want the opportunity to, i don't know, turn a card into to more cards now? or do you want to hold it so it's one of these mega cards down the track?
00:57:07.36
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:57:07.92
Adz
I mean, I've been put in those situations before where I've sold a big Kobe to to to buy a few different pieces and and I've kicked myself ever since.
00:57:14.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
00:57:17.11
Adz
Do you know what mean? Like, it's they're cards you don't come across.
00:57:19.93
Russell Gibson
I was actually going to ask you that. what's I feel like what you're leading into here is like, sale regret. Yeah. So you've answered that question for me.
00:57:25.53
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
00:57:26.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:27.28
Adz
Yeah, like it's... um I mean, my biggest one's the the Kobe Bryant EX, the credentials numbered rookie card. And I had one and it was graded and it was a... Yep, it was a decent grade. was 7.5.
00:57:42.80
Adz
um But that that's worth pretty penny. and and And I split it to get some other pieces and it definitely wasn't worth it so
00:57:53.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:54.41
Adz
I don't know. the Some of these things, some of these bigger ticket items are hard to come by. So be be be grateful what you do get your hand on. And it doesn't always come from the biggest product either.
00:58:04.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, i I get where he's coming from with this post, but actually I'd love to see a full set of flawless too. Like, I think that is an insane chase that he's pulled off there. So
00:58:15.77
Adz
It's, yeah, I don't know.
00:58:16.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:17.69
Adz
I don't know if I could, um
00:58:21.85
Adz
I don't know if I could do it. Like it's a big chase.
00:58:24.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:27.29
Russell Gibson
All right. This next one is from Shams, the real Shams too, not the all the fake Shams ones out there that I get every morning.
00:58:31.26
Adz
Not the fake shams.
00:58:34.55
Russell Gibson
I get tricked pretty much.
00:58:35.98
Adz
is this the one i think Is this the one I think it is?
00:58:36.22
Russell Gibson
So this is just, this is about Coach Pop. So really this this is for me.
00:58:40.06
Adz
Yes.
00:58:41.25
Russell Gibson
So just huge love to Pop.
00:58:41.83
Adz
This is good story. I like this. I like this.
00:58:44.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Greg Popovich statement in part, Mitch Johnson and his staff have done a wonderful job and the resolve and professionalism the players have shown has been outstanding. I will continue to focus on my health with the hope that I can return to coaching in the future.
00:58:59.69
Russell Gibson
Popovich will not return as coach this season and his NBA future remains uncertain as he recovers. You know this is really interesting to me that of all he's been through, you would actually think, okay, now will be the time for him to retire and just enjoy his retirement, get himself well, take him out of this high pressure situation. But all he wants to do is get better and get back to that thing that he loves. Like there are some people in life that have found their thing and they are lifers and actually that's where they're happy.
00:59:32.74
Russell Gibson
whether it's, you know, being a chef or being a basketball coach or whatever it is. ah Sometimes I find actually have ah like an insane amount of, jealous I'm not too sure as jealousy is the right word, but you know what i mean?
00:59:43.26
Russell Gibson
Like where I'm coming from with what I'm saying with that. So look, whatever Pop wants to do, I'm happy for him. But, you know, I think the main thing I want to say here is, Pop, we are thinking about you and we hope that you get well as soon as possible.
00:59:58.68
Adz
We do. um My thinking, and I'm looking at this as the very glass half full approach.
00:59:59.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:05.98
Adz
ah
01:00:06.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:06.84
Adz
My thought here is coaches Coach Pop said he wants to do it again. And if the San Antonio Spurs and the league...
01:00:13.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:18.03
Adz
have any any respect for what he's done for the game, they will let him go out on his terms. And I think that's what this is about. It's I want to get healthy and I want to coach again so I can go out when I'm ready.
01:00:29.29
Russell Gibson
Ah, right. Okay. Okay.
01:00:31.72
Adz
and And he's done so much for this game and for that organization that that Coach Pop's like, no, no, no, let me get better, then I'm going out on my terms.
01:00:31.91
Russell Gibson
Okay.
01:00:35.88
Russell Gibson
Okay.
01:00:41.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. Okay. I just assumed that he's going to be like 85 years old and still be consultant for the Spurs. You know, he's got his own little office and he just kind of sits in there with his pen and paper.
01:00:49.74
Adz
That man's going to have a farewell tour. He's going to be one of the only coaches with a farewell tour, but I'll tell you what, he deserves it.
01:00:52.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:54.90
Russell Gibson
He should have a farewell tour, I think, for what he's done for basketball. Yeah.
01:00:57.82
Adz
Correct.
01:00:58.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right, this next one is also a little bit self-indulgent, but um I'm absolutely fascinated with this and I can't wait for the truth to come out. It's about a report that The Score released about the reasons why the Dallas Mavericks traded away Luka.
01:01:13.52
Russell Gibson
The Mavericks had issues with Luka Doncic's social habits like smoking hookah and drinking beer.
01:01:19.08
Adz
and Drinking beer.
01:01:21.68
Russell Gibson
I mean, I just...
01:01:21.94
Adz
Have you seen the way that man plays basketball?
01:01:24.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's just insane. I actually can't believe... they would be stupid enough to go either on or off the record and say something like this.
01:01:28.38
Adz
Can't believe I'm going to start defending him.
01:01:33.99
Russell Gibson
ah So what, Anthony Davis is out for the rest of the year, is that about right?
01:01:37.47
Adz
Something like that. you are yeah No, no, they reckon he'll be back for but it be back for the lakers the Lakers next time they face the the mavericks
01:01:45.05
Russell Gibson
I was talking to one of the dads at a kid kinder social thing today, and I looked up the injury report. You could not convince me either way of what's happening with this kid. There's nothing that says he's going to be out for for the rest of the year.
01:01:57.95
Russell Gibson
There's nothing he says he's coming back, which actually makes me...
01:02:00.04
Adz
It's Anthony Davis. Yeah, it's classic Anthony Davis.
01:02:01.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah, which makes me think he's not coming back, right? If someone's coming back, they're like, he's going to be back in two weeks. I... Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:10.48
Adz
It's classic AD. But I don't like i don't know. And look, my thoughts from of Luka have not changed.
01:02:23.30
Adz
Just before it is a
01:02:23.61
Russell Gibson
like Hang on a second. You need to tell the listeners about the the jersey you just ordered.
01:02:28.26
Adz
Well, yeah, I'm a Lakers fan and I've ordered a Luka Doncic jersey because I want to win a championship. but this the yeah na now But the fact remains, and I will say the fact remains, that until Luka Doncic wins a championship, he is overpriced
01:02:36.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:44.92
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:02:49.26
Adz
and will remain overpriced. Let's go and check in on his and his silver overpriced PSA 10.
01:02:57.84
Russell Gibson
All right.
01:02:59.37
Adz
just Just, you know, to make this show relevant.
01:03:02.16
Russell Gibson
Actually, we should definitely do that. Yeah. You're right about that.
01:03:05.68
Adz
let Let's go over the last month. He's holding.
01:03:11.84
Adz
There was a spike at the start of the month when he got traded.
01:03:15.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So is it dipped down a little bit?
01:03:16.58
Adz
And he dipped a little bit.
01:03:17.19
Russell Gibson
Has it?
01:03:17.62
Adz
Yeah, he dipped dipped a little bit.
01:03:17.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay.
01:03:19.22
Adz
um But it's it's the last sold price is $1,450.
01:03:19.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:22.07
Adz
$1,450.
01:03:25.97
Adz
So it's pretty much stayed between, it's pretty much the 1300s, all the sales through.
01:03:31.56
Russell Gibson
Adam, the last three months, he's up 48%.
01:03:32.57
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:35.83
Adz
Last month I was talking at.
01:03:37.60
Russell Gibson
If you zoom out a little bit more,
01:03:40.27
Adz
But when did he get traded? It was the, wasn't the 5th of February or something?
01:03:45.27
Russell Gibson
i would still call that a significant spike.
01:03:45.53
Adz
Was it earlier?
01:03:48.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:48.88
Adz
Fair enough. Fair enough. Look, the 1800 on the 3rd of February is a bit ridiculous.
01:03:56.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:57.41
Adz
So is the 1600. But anyway... up...
01:03:58.50
Russell Gibson
But even if you look at the evened out numbers, which is what you would factor in in that three months.
01:03:58.54
Adz
Yeah, last year,
01:04:03.52
Russell Gibson
So it would be higher if you, if you're counting that 1800, it would be more than 48%.
01:04:04.43
Adz
he's up 27%. He's up 27% over the last 12 months. see. still think...
01:04:08.25
Russell Gibson
forty eight percent Yeah. Anyway, that's all right.
01:04:09.66
Adz
he's up twenty twenty seven percent over the last twelve months
01:04:12.84
Russell Gibson
Okay. That's probably a nicer way to look at it, isn't it?
01:04:14.21
Adz
soll
01:04:15.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:16.02
Adz
we'll we'll say i still think
01:04:18.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:20.14
Adz
that this is overpriced on the basis that he still hasn't won anything his pop count looks pretty good compared to wendy's though um it looks terrible compared to most other players but compared to wendy it's a good pop count he can give him wish wish him a happy birthday just turned 26 26 years
01:04:22.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:25.78
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.
01:04:29.29
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:04:34.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for the error.
01:04:41.15
Adz
twentysix years old
01:04:42.58
Russell Gibson
Josh Giddey, the last three games, 27 points, 24 points, 10 assists, eight rebounds, 25 points, 16 boards, six assists.
01:04:42.73
Adz
um
01:04:51.57
Russell Gibson
I completely cut you off then. Did you have something else to say?
01:04:54.53
Adz
I was going to say he's only 26, but he still hasn't won anything. But yes, Josh Giddey is cooking at the moment.
01:05:00.65
Russell Gibson
Josh Giddey, the last three months, he is up 200%.
01:05:00.78
Adz
Who's he cooking for? Can we check where they are in the standings?
01:05:07.75
Russell Gibson
And I feel like we were calling Josh Giddey a buy. So I am feeling very good about this insane spike. He's last trading at $104. Adam, I still think at $100, he's a good purchase.
01:05:21.22
Russell Gibson
He was trading around the $200 mark not that long ago. ah There's no reason in my head he doesn't get back to that $200 mark.
01:05:29.84
Adz
Really?
01:05:30.21
Russell Gibson
He was at 350 not that long ago. Yeah.
01:05:34.13
Adz
Right. I...
01:05:35.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:35.29
Adz
I'm...
01:05:35.42
Russell Gibson
Josh Giddey, A plus purchase.
01:05:37.79
Adz
You reckon?
01:05:38.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:41.32
Adz
i have doubts.
01:05:41.58
Russell Gibson
all right.
01:05:42.42
Adz
I have doubts on Giddy.
01:05:42.68
Russell Gibson
Let's...
01:05:44.02
Adz
Honestly, I just... Good player, but not a great team. Like, the Bulls... I don't see a future for the Bulls at the moment.
01:05:51.20
Russell Gibson
No, for sure. The bulls suck, but that's not the point. Giddy is a ah good boy at the moment. Alrighty. We're going to finish this week's show on a little Veriswap comparison.
01:05:56.29
Adz
Giddy out.
01:06:00.24
Russell Gibson
We actually did drop a little Veriswap before, but that's okay. $48,000 trade. Who would you prefer Trader a receives a Chrome lebron james x fractor p s a nine b receives A 2005-06 Exquisite Collection patch autograph.
01:06:22.04
Russell Gibson
Michael Jordan, numbered to 100 BGS 7.5. Why would you take that?
01:06:31.64
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:06:37.99
Adz
Ooh.
01:06:40.39
Adz
I'll take the Jordan.
01:06:41.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:06:43.75
Adz
I'll take the Jordan.
01:06:43.87
Russell Gibson
All right. get Give me two reasons why you would take it, and then... um
01:06:47.93
Adz
um um ah LeBron James. is the ex what's I want to know what the pop count is on the X-Fractor, but no. um Jordan. it's it' I'm sure that's game-worn, right?
01:07:01.68
Russell Gibson
um'm not even goingnna I'm not even going to look that up.
01:07:01.85
Adz
michael jordan it's michael jordan It's Michael Jordan's autograph.
01:07:04.18
Russell Gibson
I think from that era in the exquisite...
01:07:05.77
Adz
It's simple as that. It's Michael Jordan's autograph, and it's a bit of Michael Jordan's jersey.
01:07:07.27
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:07:12.53
Adz
B, all day, every day. This is a a patch auto, not just a variation of a card. And it is a LeBron James rookie. Yes, I get it. But in I think we've all established that um the world thinks...
01:07:29.76
Adz
that Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time, and that's not
01:07:31.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:07:35.80
Adz
that's not changing anytime soon. So we'll we'll go with the GOAT, Michael Jordan.
01:07:39.94
Russell Gibson
All right. So my three reasons for, I also choose the Jordan.
01:07:47.22
Russell Gibson
And the reason for me is because he just hasn't signed that much in the last few years. And with all this nonsense that was going on with Fanatics and the way they handled the negotiations with Panini, I just can't imagine Jordan coming to the table with them.
01:08:05.08
Russell Gibson
Like, why would he leave Upper Deck that's looked after him all these years? Because there was like a rumor for a while that that was going to be happening. Maybe Fanatics would buy out up a deck. I just can't see it happening.
01:08:16.47
Russell Gibson
So it's not like... Okay, so what I'm trying to say is, like with LeBron, if I'm waiting for a LeBron autograph, I'm just holding tight for just two more years, and then we'll start to see some...
01:08:24.09
Adz
Yeah, true, true. What about if it was a rookie year auto?
01:08:30.53
Russell Gibson
Oh, well, then it's Jordan all the way. There's no conversation. But even now, I still want the Jordan. We were talking earlier in the show about players in their prime uniforms, and this is the red, white, and black.
01:08:41.97
Russell Gibson
That, to me, is a prime Bulls jersey. That's exactly the one that I remember from my childhood.
01:08:46.83
Adz
Yep.
01:08:47.37
Russell Gibson
The 7.5 grade, look, I'm not too fussed about that in terms of a card. I think those particular cards were tough grades. It doesn't fuss me at all.
01:08:55.15
Adz
It's
01:08:55.79
Russell Gibson
And my final reason for liking this card is just that autograph. It's not like these crappy sort of like one little digit or a circle as a signature.
01:09:00.04
Adz
clean.
01:09:03.30
Russell Gibson
That is an absolutely immaculate, perfect, beautiful.
01:09:06.93
Adz
It's not stuck over a dark jersey like the Steph Curry one earlier.
01:09:10.01
Russell Gibson
Exactly. Yeah.
01:09:10.94
Adz
Yep.
01:09:11.94
Russell Gibson
You know, trying to look up the population on that, I couldn't quickly find that Instagram.
01:09:17.39
Adz
Yeah.
01:09:20.18
Russell Gibson
refractor gold refractor base, oh, X-fractor to 220. There you go.
01:09:24.56
Adz
Okay.
01:09:25.23
Russell Gibson
I lied to you. I could find it. Then number to 220.
01:09:28.67
Adz
Okay.
01:09:29.04
Russell Gibson
so So yeah, it's still not even that particularly short printed in comparison to the Jordan.
01:09:34.95
Adz
Yeah.
01:09:37.39
Adz
Yeah.
01:09:38.39
Russell Gibson
I think also too, it just comes down, like this is at this point when you're comparing, you know, goat to goat, basically, we're really, who is the better, greatest of all time?
01:09:48.59
Russell Gibson
And I think that's where also where I lean into too, it's just the Jordan thing. So, all righty, finals.
01:09:52.44
Adz
Well, it's it's interesting that the card letter value on the um on the on the LeBron for the PSA 9, card letter value is 19k.
01:10:00.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
01:10:02.55
Adz
Interesting. Yeah, the Jordan all the way.
01:10:08.64
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts on today's show, Ed?
01:10:10.35
Adz
It was good. We went through a lot of stuff.
01:10:12.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:10:13.17
Adz
it was It was a variety-packed episode.
01:10:16.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:10:16.84
Adz
Looking forward to our our timeless moment discussion.
01:10:19.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Thanks, everyone, for listening. Have a wonderful day.
01:10:23.75
Adz
We'll see you next week.
01:10:29.11
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.
01:10:29.84
Adz
And we are out from the live stream.
01:10:35.64
Russell Gibson
Okay, so one hour and 11 minutes.
01:10:46.60
Russell Gibson
Okay, you ready?
01:10:49.98
Adz
I am... Where? Oh, how can I come into that? Well, we don't have I don't have to have anything open for this, to we do I?
01:11:00.13
Adz
So we're doing... Preparing for a card show this week.
01:11:01.95
Russell Gibson
What do you do before you go to a card show?
01:11:04.01
Adz
Okay, preparing for card shows this week.
01:11:04.67
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:11:05.99
Adz
I've put some other ones in the run sheet as far as ideas for um yeah for other ones.
01:11:10.26
Russell Gibson
Offer timeless moments. Okay.
01:11:12.18
Adz
So you've got how to comp you had the other week.
01:11:15.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:11:15.43
Adz
um And I think getting a deal done. Is it another one we need to revisit?
01:11:22.24
Russell Gibson
I think one we should do is how not to get scammed.
01:11:26.71
Adz
Conduct a trade,
01:11:27.88
Russell Gibson
I think that will be like, or how to get scammed. So we could talk about all the ways you get scammed. Yeah.
01:11:34.49
Adz
Being mindful of scams or something, yeah. um How not to get scammed.
01:11:39.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I feel like that would be very good in terms of like a YouTube headline.
01:11:45.25
Adz
Yep, yep.
01:11:46.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:11:47.80
Adz
And then yeah yeah, that's the idea is I try and find trigger, right trigger words that fit to get buzz things for it.
01:11:53.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:55.95
Adz
But see how we go. But they're they're the other timeless moments. I just put those below. But yeah, preparing for a card show is today's easy peasy. um Hang on.
01:12:09.93
Adz
Can you hear those sirens?
01:12:14.92
Adz
was going say it's loud here, but... Oh, no, it's not in the background of the microphone. That's okay. Okay. There's just a lot of police driving around downstairs.
01:12:24.44
Russell Gibson
cups
01:12:25.17
Adz
Sounded loud. Anyway. Record. And we're going to 1923. Is that right? 193. Cool. All right. And we brought but we're Hobby Hangout, aren't we
01:12:38.05
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:12:38.63
Adz
All right.
01:12:38.94
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:12:39.09
Adz
Cool. We'll announce that.
01:12:44.01
Adz
Welcome every everybody to episode 193 of the You Can't Comp This and NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson back with another timeless moment.
01:12:58.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and I think we should just get straight into the sponsorship component of this episode. We are very proudly brought to you by the Hobby Hangout XL. Go to thehobbyhangout.com.au or just do what I do.
01:13:12.85
Russell Gibson
Go to Google.com. Search for the Hobby Hangout XL and that'll take you straight to the AusTigs page where can buy your tickets. They're currently on sale for $29.90. Some of the highlights from the show ah hundred and fifty plus stores The date will be Sunday the 1st of June 2025, 10.30am to 5.30pm.
01:13:37.23
Russell Gibson
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01:13:53.37
Russell Gibson
Giveaways, interactive brand activations, which is something I don't really know how to explain further.
01:13:58.19
Adz
let's sounds very um That sounds very interesting.
01:14:00.89
Russell Gibson
Impressive. Casual play areas. I think what we're seeing here though, Adam, is a hobby show war.
01:14:10.34
Adz
Ooh.
01:14:10.81
Russell Gibson
where we have different parties trying to out-hobby show each other.
01:14:14.59
Adz
Love it. Love it.
01:14:15.67
Russell Gibson
For the consumers, we just have to sit back, relax, and be entertained.
01:14:18.64
Adz
And enjoy.
01:14:20.79
Russell Gibson
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01:14:24.22
Adz
collected Yes. Hobby enthusiasts.
01:14:28.67
Adz
Melbourne. That's right.
01:14:31.10
Russell Gibson
All right, let's get into this week's Timeless Moment.
01:14:34.13
Adz
Yes, this week's Timeless Moment where, um well, with all the discussion of hobby shows, today's topic is is just that how do you get ready for a hobby show?
01:14:43.83
Russell Gibson
yep
01:14:44.50
Adz
um I know there are people like myself that have no idea what to do, grab a backpack, some money and go.
01:14:50.06
Russell Gibson
yep well
01:14:50.56
Adz
um but there are others in the world that are much more prepared like yourself. um So so what what's the number one thing?
01:14:59.54
Russell Gibson
So I actually did a very small amount of prep for this episode and I broke it down to the three C's, cash, comps, and cards.
01:15:04.24
Adz
Ooh.
01:15:09.66
Russell Gibson
So when I broke it down even further, if you're talking about cash, you need physical cash.
01:15:10.30
Adz
Cash, comps, and cards.
01:15:14.76
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:15:15.27
Russell Gibson
a way you can instant transfer somebody. So the most common ways people like is bank transfer or PayPal.
01:15:21.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:15:22.72
Russell Gibson
And there are different types of instant transfers. Like there's, you know, Facebook pay and Venmo is becoming a bit more popular. But for me, it's just PayPal.
01:15:29.56
Adz
Yeah.
01:15:30.61
Russell Gibson
I'm old school in that way. when we talk about comps, what that means is, is you've got a couple of cards that you're happy to trade with people. It's really difficult to get a trade done with somebody if you don't have at least a rough idea of what you're looking to get back for that card.
01:15:46.41
Russell Gibson
And so people will often do their own comps on a card.
01:15:46.68
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
01:15:50.48
Russell Gibson
So, but it's also really good for you just to go in there and look, I'm asking for 200 for this. I'm asking for 150 ballpark for this. For this one, I'm looking for 10 bucks on this card, you know, so then people can then work with you a lot quicker and sort of you know bang out a deal.
01:16:05.38
Adz
Sure.
01:16:05.46
Russell Gibson
and i think Then the third thing is take cards for people to trade with you. I think that sounds like a ridiculous thing, but you might not feel confident enough to do it.
01:16:10.98
Adz
Yeah, that's true. It's blatantly obvious, but yeah.
01:16:15.64
Russell Gibson
You might not feel that you've done it before. You might feel that you're a bit out of your league or whatever, but I would strongly urge everybody, do not go to the Hobby Hangout or any card show for that matter without taking cards.
01:16:29.42
Russell Gibson
It is the best way to interact with people. And actually, I think it's just my favorite part of the hobby.
01:16:33.25
Adz
Yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah.
01:16:35.96
Russell Gibson
When you actually look through someone's collection, you've got a card in there, you maybe you'll get a trade done with or without some cash on it. It's just a really fun like thing to you know to do and to get done.
01:16:43.57
Adz
Yep.
01:16:46.42
Russell Gibson
So yeah, do not go to the Hobby Hangout
01:16:47.47
Adz
Yeah.
01:16:50.08
Russell Gibson
without your cards. So that's my, that was my three things.
01:16:53.46
Adz
Nice.
01:16:53.60
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:16:54.02
Adz
I think it's ah it's... I mean, we can dive a little bit more into some of those things.
01:16:58.62
Russell Gibson
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
01:16:59.97
Adz
i'm i'm I'm very much... if I am prepared for a card show, which is not, which is not often, I, I normally have an idea of something I want.
01:17:11.47
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:17:12.35
Adz
Right. So, so the big thing, and this is going in, cause I definitely agree.
01:17:13.07
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:17:15.79
Adz
You've got to be prepared. Have it like, if I've got a backpack on and I've got some cards to trade, uh, I've got some water, stay hydrated through the day.
01:17:25.40
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
01:17:26.81
Adz
The big thing is make sure you've got something like some, something sugary. I'm,
01:17:31.50
Russell Gibson
You love sweets.
01:17:31.54
Adz
Looking out for people. Yeah. ah Well, it's, it's just to make sure you get through the day.
01:17:35.54
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:17:35.96
Adz
I need an energy hit every now and then occasionally good. The good shows put on, there's a food truck out there.
01:17:40.92
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:17:41.00
Adz
Of course, everyone likes a good smash burger or, or a drink at the bar or a coffee or something like that, but make sure you stay hydrated.
01:17:44.20
Russell Gibson
Some chips.
01:17:47.29
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:17:48.76
Adz
Make sure you've got some water with you. um You're going to be on your feet. Wear comfortable shoes. Wear comfortable clothing. It can get, it can get very stuffy in these things.
01:18:01.13
Adz
It's got a lot of walking around. There's not many places to sit down. So, so just be ready. Wear comfortable shoes. Be comfortable comfortably yeah attired, I guess, would be my, my thought.
01:18:12.98
Russell Gibson
That's actually, i didn't think about that. You do need to wear comfortable clothes. Not always like you're going to the gym, but you need to wear, because you will be doing a lot of walking. They are quite long shows.
01:18:20.60
Adz
Yep.
01:18:21.58
Russell Gibson
That's true.
01:18:22.49
Adz
Yep.
01:18:23.09
Russell Gibson
You will be standing up quite a bit. Yeah, that's right.
01:18:26.05
Adz
I mean, you could go into having like hand sanitizer and wipes and things.
01:18:26.24
Russell Gibson
Comfortable shoes. Yeah.
01:18:29.25
Adz
You're going to be, Make sure you've got clean hands. You'll be looking at cards. You might be handling cards.
01:18:34.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:18:34.77
Adz
there's There's things like that. There's that element to it. um But yeah, like it's it's a fun day, but it's very it can be very tiring. um But going with a plan would be, but if if you if there's a particular card you're looking for, go in with a plan and do your research is where where where my next step would come from.
01:18:49.24
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:18:53.78
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:18:54.01
Adz
and that And that's where if I'm not after anything in particular, I don't do a lot of prep. I go, let's see what there is. If something takes my fancy, I agree completely. Have a box of cards or or ah something there so people can flick through. So you've got something to sort of, to show off, to trade, to to offer.
01:19:11.70
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:19:11.78
Adz
Even though others might not be interested, yeah you've got, you open those discussions.
01:19:17.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:19:18.20
Adz
um
01:19:19.22
Russell Gibson
I mean, i've I've got my list in my phone now.
01:19:19.44
Adz
But yeah.
01:19:21.52
Russell Gibson
So that's something I ah don't actively think about anymore.
01:19:22.74
Adz
Nice.
01:19:25.35
Russell Gibson
It's just something I sort of almost have with me all the time.
01:19:28.11
Adz
Yep.
01:19:28.30
Russell Gibson
And also my list is so short now that I almost don't need a list, but I 100% agree with you you. You definitely need to go there with a plan because otherwise it can be very overwhelming.
01:19:39.12
Russell Gibson
What is it that I'm looking for?
01:19:39.34
Adz
Yep.
01:19:40.58
Russell Gibson
High end, low end, medium?
01:19:42.43
Adz
Yep.
01:19:43.15
Russell Gibson
Am I looking for sealed? Am I looking for packs? Because there is just so much stuff there. And I think the other thing too is that with 150 stalls, you are going to have to, you won't be able to look at every single shop.
01:19:55.44
Russell Gibson
You're going to need to be able to cut it down real quick.
01:19:55.99
Adz
Correct.
01:19:57.24
Russell Gibson
you know
01:19:57.70
Adz
Yep.
01:19:58.21
Russell Gibson
am I looking at this? Am I not looking at this? And yeah, I actually found that even at the last Hobby Hangout where I had time. it's not that I didn't have time, but I don't believe I looked at every stall in depth.
01:20:12.65
Russell Gibson
I might've walked past them, maybe even walk past them twice, but did I stop and look at every cart they had? Like, yeah, definitely not.
01:20:18.50
Adz
Yep.
01:20:18.75
Russell Gibson
And that was probably partly because I was like, I didn't think they had what I was chasing.
01:20:19.23
Adz
ye
01:20:24.20
Russell Gibson
I had that sort of, yeah.
01:20:24.34
Adz
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. the other The other part about that, in and I would, if you've got the time to do it, um especially with your own cards, know what what they're worth.
01:20:35.19
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:20:35.77
Adz
Know what the stuff you've got is valued at as a current thing. So not three months ago, not a year ago when you bought it. What is this card currently valued at? So once you enter negotiations, you know what you're talking about.
01:20:48.10
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:20:49.07
Adz
I mean, you might not know what a card you're looking at is worth. And that's where you get your phone out do some comps, but know what your stuff's worth and what you're prepared to to part with it for.
01:20:54.95
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:21:01.73
Russell Gibson
So funny one about that, ah this is bouncing off some content that Matthew Yuga did. He reported it.
01:21:06.85
Adz
Yeah.
01:21:08.07
Russell Gibson
Was it the Sydney Hobby Hangout?
01:21:10.09
Adz
Yep.
01:21:10.23
Russell Gibson
They didn't have internet for a while.
01:21:12.21
Adz
Oh, wow.
01:21:13.00
Russell Gibson
So it made it very difficult for people to access comps, which is one of the things that people complain about the most is that
01:21:14.23
Adz
Having an idea. yep.
01:21:21.26
Russell Gibson
People spend half their times on their phones without actually looking at the card.
01:21:23.73
Adz
looking at comps, yeah.
01:21:24.40
Russell Gibson
They're just like, let's just go check comps. So that's an interesting one.
01:21:26.61
Adz
Yep.
01:21:27.23
Russell Gibson
And then also too for payments. I think that's the other reason why I was talking about actually taking some cash because in the event that someone really wants cash or in that tragic event where, you know, imagine if we didn't have internet in Melbourne, that's not really something that would happen in Melbourne though.
01:21:38.94
Adz
The Wi-Fi goes down and everybody's...
01:21:41.74
Russell Gibson
In Sydney, it would happen.
01:21:43.35
Adz
course, the the internet's better here.
01:21:43.87
Russell Gibson
Not in Melbourne, not in the greatest city in the world.
01:21:45.88
Adz
oh
01:21:45.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:21:47.75
Adz
Much better in Melbourne.
01:21:48.00
Russell Gibson
All right. What else do we need to talk about if you're preparing for a card show?
01:21:52.44
Adz
Um... You don't have to make a deal with people, I think is is something that I would touch on.
01:21:59.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:21:59.71
Adz
If you're dealing with someone and you're not happy, um you don't have to make the deal.
01:22:04.98
Russell Gibson
but What's the best way in your mind to end a negotiation?
01:22:08.81
Adz
Oh, that's a good question. ah i would I would like, look, I think we're going around in circles.
01:22:12.76
Russell Gibson
Because we're...
01:22:16.40
Adz
let's just Let's just park it. Let's forget this one.
01:22:19.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:22:20.61
Adz
You say thanks, but no thanks.
01:22:21.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yep
01:22:22.88
Adz
And that could actually that could actually engage like create an end to the loop. But it's like, if we're going to go around in circles, I'd rather go and look at the rest of the show. Appreciate your time.
01:22:33.85
Adz
polite. Don't be rude. You don't have to to to take the deal.
01:22:39.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. No, definitely. I would say most people are pretty chill in that sense.
01:22:44.62
Adz
I would say go both ways, though. Don't don't pressure somebody else to take a deal.
01:22:48.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:22:48.67
Adz
And don't expect that. Don't expect... You don't have to make the deal, but don't try and force others to to take a deal.
01:22:56.57
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:22:56.85
Adz
Like, be be fair and reasonable and negotiate in good faith.
01:23:02.02
Russell Gibson
Actually, I do have something to add to the negotiating part. So I think I'm traditionally very hesitant to try and negotiate with people.
01:23:04.80
Adz
Yeah.
01:23:10.39
Adz
Yeah.
01:23:10.62
Russell Gibson
But one thing I've definitely noticed the last couple of shows that dealers definitely want to sell. So they're very willing to negotiate with you.
01:23:16.65
Adz
Yeah.
01:23:17.89
Russell Gibson
So that would be like the first thing i' would say. The second thing I probably say too is that when you're selling to a dealer, don't expect to get comms.
01:23:24.16
Adz
Yep.
01:23:27.02
Adz
Hell no.
01:23:27.63
Russell Gibson
because that's how they get their margin.
01:23:28.80
Adz
That's how they make their money, yeah.
01:23:29.19
Russell Gibson
So I think you have to sort of go to the table. Just say you think the comp is X, you have to at least take off 10%, maybe even a little bit more, because that's how the tables make their money.
01:23:37.36
Adz
To where, look, I was gonna say, you've got they've gotta make their money.
01:23:40.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:23:41.26
Adz
They've gotta pay their fees, they've gotta make some money, they like their businesses, right?
01:23:41.80
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
01:23:45.07
Adz
At the end of the day.
01:23:45.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:23:45.87
Adz
That makes sense to me, yeah.
01:23:46.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:23:48.26
Adz
Like, people are like, oh what? They're only paying 80% of comps. You go, well, actually,
01:23:52.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:23:53.32
Adz
Bloke down the road is paying 60% comps. That's not a bad, yeah.
01:23:55.53
Russell Gibson
That's right. exactly That's exactly right. Yep.
01:23:57.80
Adz
So.
01:23:57.93
Russell Gibson
And then word does get around in terms of tables, which are the deals who are paying higher on comps.
01:24:00.91
Adz
Yeah.
01:24:03.45
Adz
Of course.
01:24:03.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. i I also feel like too, that's probably why I enjoy doing trades more. I know it's more difficult to do trades just because of that. But at the same time, i just feel like it takes that sort of the dirty cash element out of like the whole thing.
01:24:11.52
Adz
But you're right. There's there's a.
01:24:19.20
Adz
Yeah, true.
01:24:20.07
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:24:20.72
Adz
True. I like it. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting dealing wheeling and dealing with people at a trade show. um
01:24:28.41
Russell Gibson
Look, to summarize this for me, I'm actually just really excited that the Hobby Hangout is um not that they're probably even intentionally doing it, but the fact that they're trying to match previous hobby shows in Melbourne in terms of size and intensity
01:24:41.64
Adz
Well, there's a diversity, there's sneaker, there's going to be other stuff. that's It's
01:24:45.96
Russell Gibson
but I'm all aboard this. Like, I think this is the best thing. And and this is what we talk about with competition within grading companies.
01:24:52.52
Adz
Healthy conference.
01:24:52.51
Russell Gibson
It's great for the consumer.
01:24:53.24
Adz
Yeah.
01:24:53.59
Russell Gibson
This is so good for the consumer. you know, I'm all aboard this and i am I am genuinely excited. I feel like there's not much that really um razzes me up these days that much and sort of gets me out of bed.
01:25:00.00
Adz
Yeah.
01:25:04.12
Russell Gibson
But this is like, I am absolutely hanging out for this. I cannot wait.
01:25:09.22
Adz
It's going to be, it's going to be a big show going to be a big day.
01:25:09.55
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
01:25:12.73
Adz
um I like the idea of going to a card show and just looking around and taking it all in.
01:25:16.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:25:17.89
Adz
It's so much fun.
01:25:17.96
Russell Gibson
Easy to get there. Lots of public transport. You'll be able walk there pretty much.
01:25:20.58
Adz
Yep.
01:25:22.80
Adz
Yeah, pretty much.
01:25:23.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right, man.
01:25:26.33
Adz
Thanks for another fantastic timeless moment and we'll um we'll see you in the next one.
01:25:29.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.