Episode 194: LeBron’s 50K, Kyrie’s Injury, Wemby vs Steph & Hobby Shifts!

Kyrie’s injury update and what it means for the Mavs

• LeBron hits 50K total points! 🏀🔥
• Ja Morant fined again—what’s the latest?
• Wemby vs Steph
• Wemby vs Steph: The showdown we needed
• Wemby vs Steph Facebook
• Wemby 1/1: Donruss 
• Hobby talk: Hoops Hobby Blasters, Market Movers, and Downtowns shifting to Optic
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• Kobe Kaboom, SGA Auto, Tatum, and Sun's Future Picks
• Diana Taurasi's legendary career

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Adz
We are 194.

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Adz
Settings and we are broadcasting.

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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 194 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson, coming to you a little early this weekend.

00:00:43.12
Adz
For those on the live.

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Russell Gibson
Just social butterflies that we both add, you know, too much on.

00:00:45.88
Adz
That's it. Look, we've got it we've got a long weekend down here and we want we want to enjoy it. So we thought we'd get things rolling a little bit early, but there's plenty to talk about.

00:00:57.56
Russell Gibson
i I was actually thinking to myself, there's not much to talk about this week, but then we look at the run sheet and I don't think we're going to get through it all. So, yeah.

00:01:05.51
Adz
There's just lots in the news. Like, it's just not all of it's hobby related, but but there's news everywhere.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Not always good news. Shall we start off with ah with some bad news? Because I think it's funny bad news. ah Are the Dallas Mavericks cursed?

00:01:24.56
Russell Gibson
ah they're not cursed. They're just managed by an absolute goose.

00:01:27.93
Adz
Not for long. I feel like you made a bold prediction when we yeah when we did our Luka trade summary that Nico Harrison was going to get fired. I'm i'm sure that move's not far away.

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Russell Gibson
You DM'd me that, but I've got to be honest with you I kind of feel like it's like the most obvious the thing in the world. But you know, the funny thing is, actually, I wonder if the owner put him up to it.

00:01:48.70
Russell Gibson
It was a cost-saving measure, right?

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Adz
Yeah. Interesting.

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Russell Gibson
So actually, now he's got a job for life.

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Adz
Interesting.

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Russell Gibson
So they're going to be the new Washington wizards of the the West basically.

00:01:58.16
Adz
They're pretty cooked and they've they've got bugger all draft picks there.

00:02:00.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:01.61
Adz
And for those that aren't aware and have their head in the sand this week, Kyrie Irving's now out for the season. Yeah.

00:02:06.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Sorry. we We don't do a good job of actually getting to the facts, do we?

00:02:09.78
Adz
yeah It's like, oh, well, why are they cursed? Yes. They traded away Luka Doncic. Yes. They traded away Chris Stapps, Posingas, Jalen Brunson, you name it, they'll get rid of it. Don't you worry.

00:02:20.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:21.17
Adz
um But in addition to that, Anthony Data Davis is, only played one game to date and Kyrie Irving is out for the season.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
So...

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Russell Gibson
Which is, just it's really, really unfortunate. Torn ACL.

00:02:34.71
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
The commentary around it, though, that i really hated was that, you know, the ESPN heads were saying, oh, that they ground Kyrie down into the ground. Like, he definitely hadt he definitely had an uptick in his minutes.

00:02:43.04
Adz
No. No.

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Russell Gibson
I think that's absolutely, you know, you can't deny that. Like, the the numbers are there statistically.

00:02:48.10
Adz
Sure. Yep.

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Russell Gibson
But at the same time, he's a professional athlete.

00:02:51.07
Adz
So they're suggesting like, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
A very small number of increased minutes is not going to make him to his ACL. And also, too, it was a contact injury. It wasn't like he was just running down the court and it happened. So it's like there's a you know a bit of bad luck to it.

00:03:03.47
Adz
Yep.

00:03:05.75
Adz
It wasn't his body breaking down, yeah.

00:03:05.84
Russell Gibson
The other funny thing to to think about this too is that it's a very similar injury. So you remember when Giannis bent his knee backwards in the finals and he was out for like four or five days and he came back with that knee wrap that was like three times bigger than his knee?

00:03:13.43
Adz
Yes.

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Adz
b Yep, and he shouldn't have played, but yes.

00:03:22.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but so the funny, not it's not funny. So the interesting thing about these athletes is like they actually have hypermobility. And so Anthony Davis is like another one that sort of falls into this category too.

00:03:33.06
Russell Gibson
And actually part of their problem sometimes actually their joints are too flexible.

00:03:33.21
Adz
Mm.

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Russell Gibson
And it's like in this instance, obviously there was too much movement in the joint and that's what's resulted in this like horrible, horrible injury.

00:03:43.06
Adz
Resulted in the, yeah. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So I think... You know I think the one thing I want to say here is that my thoughts go out to Kyrie because it's just that 12-month recovery and rehab process he now has to go back through.

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Russell Gibson
And, you know, my thoughts are out to him.

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Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
And and i think all this other stuff around it, it's just unfortunate that the commentary sort of leads to that. I don't think this is Jason Kidd's fault.

00:04:05.62
Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
i As much as I hate Nico Harrison or as much as I think he's a terrible general manager, it's not his fault. You know, these things do happen.

00:04:14.16
Adz
This particular one is not his fault.

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Russell Gibson
No, these things happen.

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Adz
trading chia like Injuring Kyrie Irving is not part of his agenda.

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Russell Gibson
But...

00:04:20.70
Adz
Trading Luka was. Trading Brunson was.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:23.24
Adz
You know what I mean? like the the the the The moving of pieces has been, but not the...

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Russell Gibson
But to gamble on the health of Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis and trading away Luka, like, to me, that is, like, a recipe for disaster. And this is probably the worst possible outcome, you know, for all of this scenario. So...

00:04:40.65
Adz
Well, we go back a month, right? when When Nico did the trade, he was very adamant that Anthony Davis was the piece they needed and this was it.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
This was their, they were going to start ascending to the top of the mountain.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
And since that has happened, Anthony Davis got injured. chi Like the Mavericks haven't been great. They've got all their bigs are injured and they just, they've been on this downward spiral and it's sort of,

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
the the huge explosion has been the the finale of Kyrie being out as well.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Poor Clay Thompson must be going, what the hell did I sign up to?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that was a bit unfortunate. So we're going to talk about another team today in terms of their future draft assets, and that's going to be the Phoenix Sun. So we'll save that for later, but just really quickly.

00:05:24.31
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So actually, Dallas isn't as bad as Phoenix. So they've got their own pick this year.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Next year, they've got their own pick.

00:05:33.00
Adz
Yeah, for the next couple, but...

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Russell Gibson
In 27, it's protected pick one and two.

00:05:35.39
Adz
27 to 30, I think they cooked.

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Russell Gibson
Otherwise, it's going to go to Charlotte Hornets.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
In 2028, they've got a pick swap with OKC. Of course, OKC is going to get in on the action, right?

00:05:47.22
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
In 2029, Houston holds their draft right. So that's the other dark horse here. Houston Rockets have now got a really good young team, but actually they've also got quite a few future assets up their sleeve.

00:05:56.70
Adz
Some draft picks.

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Russell Gibson
In 2030, the Spurs also how hold their draft swap right. And so that's, again, the other one. San Antonio's got a good young team, but they've also been stockpiling draft picks. so I think the Western Conference is going to be very exciting the next couple of years.

00:06:13.67
Adz
I reckon everything by 2030, I think they and we're going to see the league sort of flip as far as...

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Russell Gibson
Sorry, hang on a second. There's one more. No, wait, that's a second round pick. I can't say that. Oh, for a second, it said 2031 unprotected pick, but that's a second round pick. That's okay.

00:06:26.15
Adz
A second round, okay.

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Russell Gibson
We can we can let that one go. That's all right.

00:06:30.91
Adz
like You can pick up second round picks at the um at the local convenience store, that's fine.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Did you watch the Kyrie injury?

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Adz
No, no.

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Russell Gibson
Don't watch it.

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Adz
I struggle.

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Russell Gibson
It's one of those ones where you're like, yeah.

00:06:40.78
Adz
I struggle with um but with the with those those injuries where things hyperextend and yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It's just, it actually is disgusting. i hate those. Like I watch it once and I'm like, that's it. Never again. No, I'm done with that.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Hey, um should we talk Kyrie Irving cards for two seconds? Because I think we should.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I think that's the the whole point of the show, isn't it? Let's look at this card here. so we're going to talk about Kabooms a little bit today. 2013 Innovation Kyrie PSA 10.

00:07:06.81
Russell Gibson
Population on this is eight. ah Last sold price on this is $2,000. Interesting on this, the card ladder price ratio or the grade ratio value $1,300. So...

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Russell Gibson
so

00:07:21.62
Adz
Which one was this? The innovation PSA 10.

00:07:24.52
Russell Gibson
2013 innovation. Kaboom. Yeah.

00:07:26.50
Adz
I will just.

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Russell Gibson
This hasn't sold for a very, very, very long time.

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Russell Gibson
Very limited sold data on this, but it is absolutely skyrocketed.

00:07:37.84
Adz
pop Pop is eight.

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Russell Gibson
So for years, it was sitting around less than 200.

00:07:42.47
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It's now gone right up to 2,000. Look, it's kind of funny. There's so many of these like little niche cards like floating around, but it's cards with cards like that that I think are you know really good pickups.

00:07:46.66
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Look, I think Kyrie's value it in general, and we're going to talk about this in the next segment on the show in terms of proven vets versus prospects,

00:07:53.24
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

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Adz
oh

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Russell Gibson
I actually think Kyrie's a pretty safe bet. Even if he never comes back and he never contributes again, you know what his career is. He's got enough there in terms of, you know, he's won his championship. He's got all that sort of, what's the, how would you describe his career?

00:08:14.83
Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
He's got like a lot of kids love him. He's got like all the handles.

00:08:21.55
Adz
Accolades. he's got ah he's got's He's got enough accolades as far as pedigree for the Hall of Fame. He's got enough. um His highlight reel, I guess, is.

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Russell Gibson
Highlight reel, but also, too, he's got that sort of social media presence and the connection to fans.

00:08:34.03
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
like I think he's done that really, really well.

00:08:35.46
Adz
um the The Uncle Drew personality.

00:08:36.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. ye Yeah.

00:08:39.72
Adz
Yeah, the the the definitely. he's He's got that rapport with the community.

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Russell Gibson
From bad news, let's go to good news. Lakers star LeBron James surpasses 50,000 combined points in the regular season and playoffs. I'm not going to read this whole article to you.

00:08:56.93
Adz
Oh, look, he got an assist from Luka and he hit that three to go over 50k total points.

00:09:02.98
Russell Gibson
That's an insane number though, isn't it? So I think, so there's two things to talk about here. The first thing is, is anyone going to beat this ever?

00:09:11.95
Adz
Oh, I know. But it's like, du have you looked at the list?

00:09:19.08
Adz
Have you seen the list of all-time scorers? Like how crazy that is?

00:09:21.23
Russell Gibson
No, talk to me about it.

00:09:23.36
Adz
um I'm trying to find it now. I was watching this the the stats on the – well, I was watching the game. and And basically it's LeBron and then it's ah obviously Kareem, Malone, Kobe, Jordan, right?

00:09:39.35
Adz
But they've got their –

00:09:39.45
Russell Gibson
You literally called it. It's LeBron, Kareem, Karl Malone, Kobe, Jordan, Dirk, Wilt, KD.

00:09:44.82
Adz
yep.

00:09:45.88
Russell Gibson
KD's at 30K, so he's got another 20,000 to catch up on.

00:09:49.98
Adz
And he needs to make the playoffs to do that, to really add some extra games to it.

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Russell Gibson
So that's actually what I was going to say, was that I can't actually imagine anyone who's currently playing the NBA getting to 50,000. So it's going to be, in my head, the next generation coming along.

00:10:06.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:06.63
Russell Gibson
I don't think Luke is going to get there. i can, I think he's going to be pretty sturdy in his career, but I don't think he's going to get to 50 K. I don't think Wemby is going to get to 50 K and, you know, obviously he's interested at the moment as an injured at the moment.

00:10:17.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:20.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:20.86
Adz
it's it's It's a lot of points. There's nothing oh I just...

00:10:26.85
Adz
It's and ah like trying to put it into context.

00:10:34.59
Adz
It's so difficult. So Kareem combined scored 44,149 points. front Kareem.

00:10:41.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:42.59
Adz
so lebron's already five thousand points in front of

00:10:46.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:47.20
Adz
karraim

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Russell Gibson
Somebody who played for an insane amount of time.

00:10:50.57
Adz
Malone only got 41,000. Kobe didn't even get to 40,000 at number four.

00:10:55.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:57.46
Adz
And that's combined. So, and Michael Jordan sitting, yeah, as I said, fifth on that list, 38,279 points. And that is combined regular season and playoff. That's crazy.

00:11:10.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:10.45
Adz
The craziest part is the number one spot keeps going up. Like he's at 50,064 at the moment. He just had two 30-point games.

00:11:22.39
Adz
Like, he's not slowing down and he's 40 years old. It's insane.

00:11:25.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so Topps have acquired his shooting sleeve from that game, and that'll be put into a card and released out for collectors.

00:11:34.22
Adz
Just the whole so the whole sleeve?

00:11:34.45
Russell Gibson
I'm pretty...

00:11:35.66
Adz
Or you reckon it'll be a series where there'll be a number to 10 and then the one of one will have the tick in it?

00:11:41.64
Russell Gibson
The post that I saw was pretty limited. It just had one card on it, but I'm assuming they're going to go down the route of what you were talking about. It doesn't make sense for them to purchase a sleeve and just make one card.

00:11:50.17
Adz
big big piece of material, just like chop, chop, chop, chop.

00:11:52.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:53.02
Adz
chop let's Let's butcher this thing so that we maximise money with it for sure.

00:11:58.24
Russell Gibson
So the the way they could do it, and I'm, yeah, so it's a tops now card. So what they're gonna do is they're going to release ass a tops now. So what they could do and what they should do is they do the one of one, which has got his autograph on it.

00:12:08.51
Adz
Yep.

00:12:09.58
Russell Gibson
And he's also got the 50 K points on it, which is like, it's delicious. We were talking in group chat about this, that the aesthetics of it, you know, wasn't that fantastic.

00:12:19.63
Russell Gibson
There's not that much contrast to it. I definitely agree with that. But at the same time, I do like the concept of this. I think tops really know how to do these tops now cards immaculately.

00:12:30.24
Russell Gibson
What they then could do is do all the other numbered stuff with other parts of the patch and then fill that right out. So it's going to be that same thing where people put in their orders.

00:12:35.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:38.02
Russell Gibson
You buy as many packs as you want to purchase.

00:12:40.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:40.62
Russell Gibson
They'll make the base cards to that number and then everyone gets a pack.

00:12:44.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:45.78
Russell Gibson
Maybe this is the future of trading cards. Like it,

00:12:48.26
Adz
I think we we touched on this before. I actually i actually think they are going to... that that um that this route is where they're going. Oh, okay.

00:12:59.81
Adz
Top's now issued $11.99.

00:13:00.01
Russell Gibson
It's so clever too.

00:13:01.94
Adz
One random order. We'll also get an autographed and scrub one of one with a color parallel. These will include. So they're going to release it. Remember the the Olympic card. Apparently there's going to be a 99 green, 75 blue, 50 number to 50 gold, 25 orange.

00:13:14.73
Russell Gibson
ah perfect. Great. Yep. Perfect. That makes sense. Yep.

00:13:18.67
Adz
Yeah. I don't know what the, ah with the the bit of sleeve in it, if there's multiple, um, stuff. It doesn't go into too much, but yeah, lot of excitement around about this.

00:13:28.24
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:13:30.67
Adz
Um, and it's the tops now cards being sold for 12 bucks.

00:13:35.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:36.31
Adz
Do you know i mean Like it's that whole Olympic buzz.

00:13:37.50
Russell Gibson
That's what's so clever about it.

00:13:39.44
Adz
Yep. And they can print as much as they, yeah.

00:13:39.88
Russell Gibson
Everyone can buy in at $12. Yeah. yeah And then if you want to get a hundred packets, if you're a big spender, you just get a hundred, you know, like it's, it's, it's really clever, you know, good for them.

00:13:51.08
Adz
And, and I look up the accessibility concerns me at times.

00:13:51.77
Russell Gibson
Good for collectors.

00:13:56.71
Adz
Do know, and you know what I mean, where it's like, can, if they sell out, well, they're not going to sell it. they do they They do a run for a certain period of time. You just have to be in the window. The secondary market, what we saw with the one-of-one for the Olympics, but it creates demand.

00:14:05.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:13.02
Adz
And that's what this hobby, that's what trading cards is. It's a supply and demand industry. So everyone buys in and then in the future, they won't print anymore. So that's the pull.

00:14:24.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:25.43
Adz
We create our own pool of demand and then that people see seek that card and want the the parallels and they become even more valuable.

00:14:33.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:34.15
Adz
So really, really clever. I like it. um I don't think all trading cards will come out this way, but I think milestones and and special events will be celebrated with their own card.

00:14:45.26
Russell Gibson
I think we're going to see a lot more of this.

00:14:46.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:48.58
Russell Gibson
I think this is going to be a very regular occurrence for tops.

00:14:48.63
Adz
I bet... All right, so so on this just a quick hitter on the spot. What you know like generic ah points in time through the season do you think they could do this for?

00:15:00.74
Adz
My first one is instantly and NBA champions.

00:15:04.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:05.04
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like in July, here's a card run for the and NBA champions.

00:15:10.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:12.14
Adz
Here's the finals MVP. here It's ah award winners.

00:15:14.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, Rookie the Year.

00:15:19.38
Adz
ye Yeah, yeah.

00:15:21.02
Russell Gibson
And even too, so I think they do this in baseball a little bit, and I've no idea what it's called, but basically you could do it for the rookies too. So he's here's a piece of their jersey from their first game.

00:15:32.54
Russell Gibson
So I think that would be, to me, like really interesting.

00:15:35.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:35.85
Russell Gibson
Because then you could date it to particular game. Well, this is the game they got 30 points even.

00:15:41.65
Adz
Wow. Does that solve the, um, does that solve?

00:15:43.99
Russell Gibson
I like that type of stuff. I'm interested in that stuff.

00:15:45.22
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:15:46.75
Russell Gibson
And I like the game worn memorabilia too. And specifically when it's done to a date, like that really interests me.

00:15:52.09
Adz
So that could be the way, cause you know, obviously we've got the, the, the ongoing battle with regards to not game one stuff.

00:15:58.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:58.71
Adz
Um, being put into product and everyone being unhappy about it, but having a ah limited release where it's like, here is your rookie class with their first Jersey.

00:16:01.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:08.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:09.18
Adz
Now that's a, yeah, that's a very unique and very eye catching sale. I would say.

00:16:14.85
Russell Gibson
I'm sure that would take a lot of time and effort to do it, but I i would also assume too the business side would be there for them to get their percentage on their return on investment. I can't imagine they wouldn't do well for them.

00:16:23.55
Adz
I can pull. Yeah.

00:16:24.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:25.15
Adz
I think it would be a ah standout for, yeah.

00:16:29.26
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go to our first break.

00:16:29.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:31.00
Russell Gibson
As usual, we've probably gone off topic just a little bit, but that's that's fine.

00:16:37.77
Russell Gibson
All righty. This first ad break is going out to our friends at Fastbreak Trading Card. We have a massive congratulations for them. It's their one-year anniversary for their shop at Cheltenham. So lads, congratulations. I'm sure you've had...

00:16:51.98
Russell Gibson
A few late nights or you've been lying in bed trying to solve some problems in your head to try and you know make things work. I'm sure you've had a lot of you know late nights doing packing and parceling and doing all the logistics.

00:17:03.63
Russell Gibson
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00:17:15.19
Russell Gibson
One year anniversary, Fast Break Trading Cards, 75 Tulip Street on the 23rd of March, 12pm to 4pm. Now guys, we did a timeless moment about preparing for the Hobby Hangouts trade days.

00:17:26.65
Adz
for For trade days, yeah.

00:17:29.69
Russell Gibson
Listen to that before you go to the trade day. Get yourself organized. Also consider it a bit of a dry run before you go to a bigger

00:17:38.00
Adz
A bigger event, yeah, yeah.

00:17:37.99
Russell Gibson
trade day or hobby event. That's right. You know, use this to sort of practice on. They'll be perfect. Thank you again to the guys at Fastbreak Trading Cards.

00:17:52.33
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, and we're back. How you doing?

00:17:54.56
Adz
I'm great, I'm great. ah looking forward to Looking forward to that trade day.

00:17:59.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So this next one is about Jammerant getting fined $25,000 for throwing the ball into the stands. Look, I think this is a very soft fine. I think what you should have done was just kick that thing, like booted it into the stands, get your money's worth, mate.

00:18:14.42
Russell Gibson
Don't half-ass these suspensions and fines, you know.

00:18:15.68
Adz
Maybe next time. maybe Maybe next time he'll do that. he's like If I'm going to get fined that much, but I'm going to boot it in.

00:18:19.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:22.23
Adz
like Whatever.

00:18:23.23
Russell Gibson
It was a funny one too, because the way he threw it, he almost seemed like, oh, was he actually having a shot at the basket? It went way over the basket. So obviously he wasn't.

00:18:30.04
Adz
Really?

00:18:30.70
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, yeah, if you're going to do it, get your money's worth. Really good time to actually check out jar prices. I'm very intrigued by this. So looking at the last three months on his silver PSA 10, he's down 21%, nearly 22%. His last sale was 280. considering that Wemby's out...

00:18:42.95
Adz
really

00:18:43.22
Russell Gibson
his last sale was two eighty yeah considering that wes out Even though Zion is back and actually playing pretty well, I would have thought a bit more cash would be going into JAR at the moment, but it's the polar opposite.

00:18:56.38
Russell Gibson
At 280, population is 1,753. If we're using Tatum as our measuring stick, that's two and a half Tatums. I actually ah quite like this at this price point.

00:19:09.90
Adz
$280. That just baffles me.

00:19:10.96
Russell Gibson
ah very liquid It's a liquid card. He's playing well at the moment.

00:19:14.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:16.38
Russell Gibson
This to me is a buy.

00:19:18.09
Adz
That's a buy at that price. some Sub $300 for Jar. Yeah, for sure.

00:19:21.11
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:19:21.92
Adz
I mean, I get the high pop count, but yeah, $300. Does he need to more present?

00:19:25.61
Russell Gibson
I mean, still a lot less than 4K than Wemby's.

00:19:26.23
Adz
does he does he need Does he need to be does he need to be more present does he need to be playing more games? what what What's what's holding ja back as far as hobby hobby love

00:19:38.69
Russell Gibson
I think it's to do with news cycle.

00:19:40.76
Adz
Okay. Yeah, he's out out of focus.

00:19:41.82
Russell Gibson
He's really fallen out of the news cycle.

00:19:43.64
Adz
Out of focus.

00:19:43.94
Russell Gibson
The...

00:19:44.08
Adz
Well, hopefully he doesn't whip out another gun because that that we didn't want him in the news last time. You know what I mean?

00:19:50.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean,

00:19:52.49
Adz
Maybe he just needs, maybe the the Grizzlies just need a bit of love in the media and that'll happen.

00:19:55.82
Russell Gibson
LeBron's been a bigger story this year. Luka's been a bigger story.

00:20:00.33
Adz
Yeah, well.

00:20:00.39
Russell Gibson
Obviously, Wemby's been in the news ah a lot in terms of hobby-wise, so...

00:20:06.46
Adz
a lot of Okay, that's a good point. What about limited time in the spotlight does impact your hobby? Especially with someone like Jar. Like early in the season, he was dunking on people. He posterized Wemby.

00:20:19.98
Adz
That was news. But yeah, I don't know. i think, I don't know.

00:20:28.52
Russell Gibson
I'm looking at his game log at the moment.

00:20:28.73
Adz
There's only so much Hobby Lob.

00:20:30.58
Russell Gibson
He hasn't missed that many games this year.

00:20:35.29
Adz
Interesting.

00:20:35.95
Russell Gibson
Like, he's had a few games off.

00:20:36.05
Adz
Okay.

00:20:37.31
Russell Gibson
I'm not saying he's not missed a game, but he's been here, so it's not like he hasn't been playing.

00:20:42.05
Adz
ah yeah i just maybe it's like Maybe it's like the whole Memphis thing.

00:20:42.05
Russell Gibson
His numbers have been pretty good.

00:20:44.81
Adz
Maybe because it Memphis are this whole evenly spaced out, spread out team. There's no standout from JAR.

00:20:49.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:51.96
Adz
And ah they're sort of not in the spotlight. Like the Lakers' recent win streak. Cleveland's ah giant win streaks. Do you know what I mean? there's there's

00:21:01.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:01.77
Adz
Memphis is sitting there up and around the top of the West. And nobody's talking about them.

00:21:06.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:07.49
Adz
which is um which baffles me. But yeah, maybe maybe it is ah it's a buy for that very reason that they're going under the radar and if they make an impact in the playoffs, everyone's going to remember that Ja Morant's a very good basketballer.

00:21:20.33
Russell Gibson
So, actually, this is kind of good to recap back through. So, just going back to his rookie year, he played 67 games. The following year, 63, 57 games.

00:21:31.21
Russell Gibson
61, and then last year just nine games, and this year 38.

00:21:32.07
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:36.49
Russell Gibson
So when you say it like that, he hasn't he hasn't been that robust, has he?

00:21:40.77
Adz
he He's been more robust than Zion, but same draft class, but yeah.

00:21:44.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:47.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:48.66
Adz
Yeah, he should be he needs to be a bit more present in the league. That's all. that That would be my thought.

00:21:51.95
Russell Gibson
I think what you said also too is I think is right. Like it does turn people off with the gun stuff. So maybe that's also part of it too, where people are just like, look, I've done my, I've done my thing with jar.

00:21:58.13
Adz
Yep. Taking time.

00:22:02.76
Russell Gibson
I don't want to go back in.

00:22:04.16
Adz
Not risking it.

00:22:04.35
Russell Gibson
All right, let's move on. This is what I really want to talk about today. All that was just warm up stuff for us to get ourselves talking a bit.

00:22:10.84
Adz
got got ah Got a few reps in?

00:22:13.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So this is content from last week, but I wasn't ready to let it go. I wanted to keep talking about this. This is the whole comp that we did about the Wemby one of one that sold for $860,000.

00:22:25.30
Russell Gibson
And then we spoke about the Steph Curry Logerman horizontal number to five with the sticker autograph that wasn't that clear, but still it is a sticker Logerman.

00:22:35.08
Adz
That was a very interesting um very interesting comp, though, like as far as, yeah, i liked that.

00:22:40.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I think it's worth getting more people's opinions on this.

00:22:42.10
Adz
i thought

00:22:45.90
Russell Gibson
It's not just ours. So we did that. We put up a post about it. Let's go to to Facebook first. Ryan Jewell, Steph and it's not close. So much risk with Wemby. We are seeing it already. Steph is cemented already.

00:22:59.21
Russell Gibson
And so I think that's, we're going to go through a whole bunch of opinions, but this is where my head is really at at the moment. I just feel at the moment, so when you've got someone like Steph Curry, and we talk about sure things, and we were talking about Tatum being like a good buy and something that's got very low risk, but maybe someone who has even less risk again is Steph Curry because...

00:23:15.30
Adz
Mmm. Yep.

00:23:22.12
Adz
Oh, for sure!

00:23:23.67
Russell Gibson
If you look at his resume, you look at what he's already achieved and he's still got more to come and his pricing is relatively cheap.

00:23:28.25
Adz
oh

00:23:31.00
Russell Gibson
So again, I'm using the word relatively. We're still talking about $168,000 but it's still much much cheaper than the eight hundred and sixty thousand

00:23:39.94
Adz
relatively Relatively, relatively is a very big, yeah, yeah very, very, um.

00:23:41.63
Russell Gibson
relatively Yeah, but do you know where I'm going with this? It's like, okay, so yeah, you could spend 860K on that Wemby, but that comes with an insane amount of risk. or you can go this 168, which is, i think, my personal pick anyway.

00:23:58.10
Russell Gibson
Even if they were the same price, I'm probably still going for the logo. and im I'm going to get an niade annihilated for that commentary. But at the same time, like I think I would still rather that. Plus, it's also got that price difference.

00:24:07.57
Adz
Mm.

00:24:08.88
Russell Gibson
So, Yeah.

00:24:11.61
Adz
I, I, I've knocked back in the Wemby here. I'm, I'm in team Steph. I think everyone knows, I think Steph is one of the more underrated and I think he'll be the next one on the mountain as far as in the, in the all time greats.

00:24:25.40
Adz
I think Steph Curry changed the game of basketball and has had a, such a big impact that his hobby love will continue for many years to come.

00:24:30.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:36.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:36.65
Adz
There are, there generation of, people our age, the obviously the Jordan wave, then the Kobe wave. I think Steph's the next, that's that next one. i think LeBron will be in there somewhere, but I think Steph is more influential hobby-wise.

00:24:52.34
Adz
As I said, every coaching junior basketball, you still see more Golden State Warriors Steph jerseys than pretty much every, and I get the the jersey sales, you you see things fluctuate, but Steph Curry is what every player

00:24:59.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:07.68
Adz
young kid wanted to be. And that's, that doesn't happen very often.

00:25:09.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:12.55
Adz
Sure. Wemby kids might start wearing Wemby, but you can't teach height. So kids can't go out and become seven foot four. Right.

00:25:19.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:20.51
Adz
But they can Jack threes all day long.

00:25:23.33
Russell Gibson
I mean, maybe Wemby grew up wanting to be Steph anyway, the way he plays, but that's another conversation altogether.

00:25:26.67
Adz
True. But what I'm saying is the, you aspire to be able to shoot threes from wherever you like anywhere on the floor.

00:25:28.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:31.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. No. 100%. I think he's very relatable. i think he's a good dude. All that stuff. I've got no troubles with that. I just really think where my head has gone these last couple of weeks is just how much low risk Steph is.

00:25:47.13
Adz
Oh, yeah.

00:25:47.26
Russell Gibson
That's where where my head is really at at the moment.

00:25:49.43
Adz
Talk about liquid.

00:25:49.56
Russell Gibson
It's like, yeah, liquid and low risk.

00:25:50.63
Adz
Steph Curry.

00:25:54.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:54.58
Adz
Well, what's what's the chance it's going to go down?

00:25:54.97
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.

00:25:56.54
Adz
There were a lot of ah good comments good comments in the in Facebook.

00:25:59.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Do you want to do Joe Foos?

00:26:00.95
Adz
Joe's, yeah. Steph Logo Man can really only go up as he gets closer to his farewell tour. Wemby, although promising as it seems, it screams potential loss in value, then going up.

00:26:05.70
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:26:13.56
Russell Gibson
A

00:26:13.93
Adz
So yeah, what was the the end of it? ah He's selling way too high for room to grow value-wise. Yeah, everyone's paying futures on Wemby.

00:26:20.72
Russell Gibson
hundred percent. Where does this go from here? Yeah.

00:26:24.05
Adz
And we've talked about that, that future pricing. That's my biggest criticism of Luka.

00:26:26.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:28.44
Adz
um It's my biggest criticism criticism of a lot of in the spotlight young players.

00:26:33.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:33.75
Adz
The people are paying the overs on it. So there's no prospecting and waiting for it to grow. You're paying the growth price, which defeats the purpose.

00:26:40.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:42.35
Adz
This step on the other hand is only going to go up.

00:26:45.38
Russell Gibson
Well, I mean, does it doesn't defeat the purpose. Like that's the thing about the hobby, isn't it? There's a million different ways to immerse yourself in the hobby. Maybe this was that one person's grail card. I mean, who knows?

00:26:55.81
Russell Gibson
But i I'm very reluctant to go down that thought path.

00:26:56.62
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:00.31
Russell Gibson
I have to think that the person who bought that was high risk investing. Surely. Yeah.

00:27:04.52
Adz
Sure, yeah.

00:27:05.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:05.32
Adz
But what I mean by defeat the purpose is it's if you're looking for growth in a card, you've paid for the card with the growth included.

00:27:09.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:11.92
Adz
So there's there's less likelihood of it growing to a to an amazing potential.

00:27:11.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%, yeah.

00:27:17.72
Adz
It's not like a Kaboom that you picked up for 200 bucks that is going to be now worth three or four grand.

00:27:20.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

00:27:23.18
Adz
You pay 860 for it straight up.

00:27:26.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:26.28
Adz
the

00:27:26.30
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:27:27.25
Adz
Yeah, $860,000.

00:27:29.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:29.82
Adz
It might be a million dollar card in 10 years.

00:27:32.32
Russell Gibson
sure

00:27:32.64
Adz
The room to grow percentage-wise is so much lower. That Steph could be a $500,000 card in in five years, 10 years.

00:27:35.58
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:27:39.29
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:27:40.33
Adz
Anyway.

00:27:40.35
Russell Gibson
David Newell, too many cards printed these days, unless it's numbered. I don't think this modern stuff will hold up in price. We're going to talk about this a little bit later on the show with the Hoops Hobby Blasters.

00:27:48.52
Adz
o

00:27:50.16
Russell Gibson
For investment, I'd go Steph all day.

00:27:50.22
Adz
Yep.

00:27:51.68
Russell Gibson
Plus with Wemby's injury, there's no guarantee. Steph is already a legend. Yep, 100%. Yep.

00:27:56.34
Adz
Yep. Yep. um James Gregory. But if I had to, I'd buy three or four steps.

00:28:03.04
Russell Gibson
Anthony Mill, Our top contributor, I'm going with Wemby on this one. How many Logoman has there been in the million dollar range? The Steph might take years to get up there with Wemby. Still fresh in people's minds. Any achievement from here on it is only going to push it just higher. For example, Lucas Logoman's first up sold for $3.5 million and then was resold for $1.5. Bought by the original seller.

00:28:29.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, ah look, I think it's great to get different opinions on this, and it's good to hear that.

00:28:29.71
Adz
Interesting.

00:28:35.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:36.39
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, you know that Luka one was really problematic. It sold in COVID, and then with the you know the COVID sort of crash, the originals, that is true. He's actually 100% right about that.

00:28:46.80
Russell Gibson
So um I think that's the classic thing of someone playing ah chess when we're all playing checkers, though.

00:28:47.20
Adz
Yeah. Yeah,

00:28:52.08
Russell Gibson
So ah James Gregory.

00:28:52.90
Adz
yeah this is true.

00:28:59.45
Adz
oh Oh, yeah. James Gregory didn't just... I'd rather buy 10,000 PSA 10 Marvin Williams RPAs and you use those slabs to build an extension to the house.

00:29:11.98
Russell Gibson
That would be a very unique house.

00:29:13.67
Adz
But if he had to choose, he'd buy the three or four steps. We know.

00:29:18.38
Russell Gibson
This is from Instagram. Melbourne Cartel. Darren, I hope you're well. I'm taking Curry all day long. His card isn't going to drastically bottom out. A lot to play out for Wemby. Curry's a proven start. Yep, 100%.

00:29:30.27
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:29:30.91
Russell Gibson
And our last one here is from Lift Off Cards. Steph's market would have to be way less volatile. Surely it just takes a steady increase from here. And at those prices, logoman of the greatest shooter ever could really be a no-brainer.

00:29:43.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, beautifully said.

00:29:45.22
Adz
yeah yeah

00:29:46.79
Russell Gibson
think that summarizes it quite nicely.

00:29:51.01
Russell Gibson
Wemby-wise, what else do we need to talk about here? We have a Donruss 1 of 1 that just recently sold for $26,000.

00:30:01.31
Adz
What do you think's gonna happen with it?

00:30:01.47
Russell Gibson
Black Choice.

00:30:02.39
Adz
What do you think's gonna happen? This is an interesting little sale, but what what do you what do you think the market's looking at with Wemby's injury? Is everyone still optimistic or are we, should there be a wim should there be a Wemby check-in at this at some point?

00:30:12.99
Russell Gibson
So that actually sold...

00:30:16.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so that's an interesting one. So actually, this is a little bit of an old sale. So just going back to the timeline, Wemby was injured on the 20th, and that's card sold on the 16th.

00:30:21.35
Adz
16th of Feb.

00:30:25.19
Adz
Okay.

00:30:26.93
Russell Gibson
So that was the pre-injury date, to be fair.

00:30:29.23
Adz
Okay.

00:30:30.18
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, actually, i don't have a massive problem with this because it is the black.

00:30:34.81
Adz
oh

00:30:35.38
Russell Gibson
It is the one-of-one.

00:30:37.87
Adz
i love I love a good colour match and and the black being the one of one.

00:30:38.18
Russell Gibson
Look, it's...

00:30:41.19
Adz
Yeah, Wemby one of one's always ah always going to look amazing.

00:30:41.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:44.83
Adz
I like that card.

00:30:44.88
Russell Gibson
I mean, what could this go down to?

00:30:45.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:47.57
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:30:48.33
Adz
No way. It's not dropping below 20.

00:30:50.92
Russell Gibson
okay

00:30:52.32
Adz
Oh, sorry. It could. But I don't know. I think it's a very...

00:30:58.21
Russell Gibson
This is from our friends at Card Letter. Only one comment on this post, AndyZang7908. Why does that feel criminally cheap? I have to o admit, I'm sort of in that sort of mindset, to be honest.

00:31:09.40
Adz
Hmm.

00:31:09.72
Russell Gibson
And it could just simply be that it's Don Russ.

00:31:12.10
Adz
Don Ross one of one. That's that's the reason.

00:31:13.55
Russell Gibson
It's a little bit of the ugly sister in the in the equation, isn't it? But you know where do we rank product in terms of huge base ones?

00:31:26.05
Russell Gibson
What have we got? Prism at the top, Optic second, maybe Donruss third.

00:31:30.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:34.39
Russell Gibson
Maybe it's as simple as that. It's just the third-rung product.

00:31:37.47
Adz
It's just one of those things. um I just thought i'd I'd do a quick check.

00:31:38.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:40.75
Adz
you know It's going to be a week-to-week thing for me, I think, for the time being.

00:31:41.59
Russell Gibson
Hit me.

00:31:44.57
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:31:45.83
Adz
Wemby's holding firm. Last sold price, $709.

00:31:47.24
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:31:48.00
Adz
lastol price seven hundred and nine ah He's actually up So he's literally holding firm.

00:31:54.27
Russell Gibson
Great.

00:31:55.52
Adz
is is the last sale.

00:31:56.98
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah, good. I think we should be week to week in Wemby at the moment.

00:31:57.62
Adz
um

00:32:00.58
Adz
at the moment to see what the market does with regards to him being absent

00:32:00.67
Russell Gibson
Definitely.

00:32:03.22
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:32:07.99
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Let us go to our second break.

00:32:19.38
Russell Gibson
Sorry, I'm just going to need to pause here. Adam, I got something very exciting to talk to you about. We have a new sponsor of the show. And this might be our first international sponsor.

00:32:30.35
Russell Gibson
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00:32:31.02
Adz
Ooh.

00:32:33.98
Russell Gibson
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00:32:45.22
Russell Gibson
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00:33:02.73
Russell Gibson
And they produce these magnetics, which are just basically, I think the best way to say it is just immaculately produced and also presented.

00:33:11.02
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:11.26
Russell Gibson
What they've actually worked out is how to get the card into a sleeve, into a magnetic, and just having it basically seamlessly presented. It's just the small details. So for example, when you take them out of the packet, they've actually got a piece of plastic wrapped around it. so when you peel that off, all of the front plastic is just immaculately presented. There's no minor scratches on it.

00:33:34.71
Adz
yeah

00:33:35.04
Russell Gibson
Then when you open it up inside, the little feet at the bottom is all perfectly machined off. I've had different products over time. Sometimes they're a little bit rough at the bottom. You need to break it off to get it into the thing.

00:33:45.82
Adz
Yep.

00:33:45.90
Russell Gibson
None of those issues with GTI.

00:33:45.96
Adz
yep

00:33:48.06
Russell Gibson
GTI are based in America. However... And I confirm this with the lads at GTI. They will ship anywhere internationally. There's no troubles with that at all. So please, guys, go on, check them out. GTI, they are the best one-touchers out there.

00:34:04.23
Russell Gibson
They are just absolutely amazing. So thank you so much, guys, at GTI for your support. And we look forward to this ongoing partnership.

00:34:23.11
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Ad, we're back and we're going to do a bit of a product review, which is going to be Hoops Hobby Blasters. Now, this is a little bit of a, not a long story, but I'll make it really quick.

00:34:36.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:36.61
Russell Gibson
Chris Hubbard posted on Sports Cards Addicts this week with a ah basically like a box reveal.

00:34:42.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:42.19
Russell Gibson
When I messaged him about he actually said, well, I make content on YouTube. So guys, check out Stumpy's cards. You'll find there his reveal and and box opening of these Hoops Hobby Blaster Boxes.

00:34:56.05
Russell Gibson
So it's something different. It's something new that we're seeing from Panini. And I just wanted to do a quick review. You know, we don't need to do 10 minutes on this, just a quick sort of two minute thing on it. We both have watched the video for a little bit.

00:35:09.30
Russell Gibson
Basically what Panini have done here is for a much lower price point buy-in, you're getting the same type of hits that you would get out of hobbies.

00:35:09.31
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:18.71
Russell Gibson
And so you can get autographs in them, but in each box, you also get four numbered cards.

00:35:24.22
Adz
yeah

00:35:24.36
Russell Gibson
So in terms of value and and people enjoying the rip, there's 90 total cards in this. So this is not a product for somebody that wants to get just one or two good cards. It's for somebody who enjoys, you know, building out the sets, looking at the pictures, looking at the artwork, the photography.

00:35:40.76
Russell Gibson
Now, the other thing that I really love about hoops too, is actually they put a lot of like time and effort onto the backs of the cards.

00:35:40.77
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:46.38
Russell Gibson
So if you're somebody that likes to put cards into a folder, turn them over and then read all the backing, which is is me. like That's one thing i actually you know quite enjoy from it.

00:35:55.98
Adz
yeah

00:35:56.05
Russell Gibson
yeah I think this is ah a really good product. It's a really good buy-in. I think this is a good example of price point. So if your price point is $50 to $100, this is absolutely something that you know you should be looking at.

00:36:09.55
Russell Gibson
They've also got the Hoops Premium cards in it. So it makes me think that

00:36:12.57
Adz
Yep.

00:36:14.61
Russell Gibson
We're not going to see that as a standalone product as we have seen the last couple of years, which I'm fine with. I think sometimes products coming, products going is not a problem.

00:36:22.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:23.90
Russell Gibson
An earlier comment, i just want to tie this back in, was talking about how that only numbered cards are going to have value in the future. So I think this is an example of where numbered cards aren't going to have value though. I think the value on hoops, the value proposition on hoops isn't really there.

00:36:38.34
Russell Gibson
I think this is for the true collectors where people just enjoy trading cards. They enjoy having some cards in their hands and looking at them as opposed to, you know, getting a massive, massive hit out of it, if that makes any sense.

00:36:49.40
Adz
ah great Agreed. Agreed.

00:36:50.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:50.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:51.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:51.25
Adz
Yeah. Look, hoops. Yeah. Yeah. Having having ah a numbered hoops card is probably going to be worth more than having a base hoops card, but it's not like we talk about silver prisms and the alternative being collect the number to 299 and things like that.

00:36:59.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:04.36
Russell Gibson
Right. Correct. But maybe we need to do a Prism review too in the future.

00:37:07.47
Adz
It's relative.

00:37:09.96
Russell Gibson
andd Actually, we definitely, we absolutely should. it's the

00:37:12.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:12.86
Russell Gibson
It's the Starship product. But I think that's an interesting one too. So even Prism this year, like how many variations has it got? I think it's 80.

00:37:19.21
Adz
Yep. The number of Power LLs just keep going up. It's insane.

00:37:22.78
Russell Gibson
Just in hobby, let alone all of the other peripheral products that they put out.

00:37:23.99
Adz
Yep.

00:37:26.40
Russell Gibson
So...

00:37:27.05
Adz
Yep.

00:37:27.71
Russell Gibson
You know it could be 130 different types of parallels that come out of Prism in the end.

00:37:31.97
Adz
Yep, for sure.

00:37:32.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, which is like select numbers, really.

00:37:34.79
Adz
It's crazy. It's, yeah.

00:37:36.07
Russell Gibson
um Would you buy one of these products? What do you think of it?

00:37:38.89
Adz
I like hoops. I don't know if I buy it these days, but I like looking at it. um

00:37:43.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:44.13
Adz
it's It's definitely... for For product to rip, it's got a great, the inserts are great. They're cool looking insert sets.

00:37:53.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:53.37
Adz
They remind me of the 90s. That's probably been i met my best comparison. And I loved all the insert sets in the 90s.

00:37:58.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:00.82
Adz
So yeah, I guess I come from a different time where where where insert chasers were the thing. and and And seeing the very the variety that Hoops put out and the thought that goes into curating those are insert sets.

00:38:15.22
Adz
I think they look pretty cool.

00:38:15.65
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:38:16.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:17.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I really like hoops. It's got a very warm spot on my heart for me. And the thing I like about it at the end of the day, it' is a price point. And I think if you're a hobbyist and you're a collector and you're looking for a pocket of value, I think Chris is right on here.

00:38:31.05
Russell Gibson
I think these boxes are loaded and for what you pay for and what you get, you know, it's really good.

00:38:33.15
Adz
Yep.

00:38:36.07
Russell Gibson
And I think... that's a bit of a contrast in comparison to when sometimes we're saying we're paying all this money and we're getting nothing back for it. You know, this is actually an example where Panini is sort of, you know, loading these boxes up.

00:38:43.56
Adz
Yep.

00:38:48.15
Russell Gibson
and And so, you know,

00:38:48.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:52.36
Russell Gibson
At the end of the day, probably where this conversation ends, though, is the conversation around what's the after sale going to be like. And so I think that's where be a little bit careful of, you know, you can't say you're going to buy a case of this and get your money back.

00:38:59.71
Adz
Well, I think, yeah.

00:39:04.92
Russell Gibson
You know, I don't think that's probably going to happen. You need to enjoy the rip, collect some sets.

00:39:09.16
Adz
I actually, actually have a very, ah well, I think I can tie this up in a little bow.

00:39:09.34
Russell Gibson
That's where these are at. Yeah.

00:39:14.38
Adz
Um, um

00:39:15.13
Russell Gibson
Go, mate. Go.

00:39:16.92
Adz
I just said how much this reminds me of my childhood and growing up in the 90s and getting the chasing those insert sets.

00:39:21.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:23.35
Adz
If anyone wants to understand completely what the the purpose of Hoops is, especially with regards to value and long-term value and things like that, the kids of today, the grassroots collectors, if you're looking to get your children into a product, Hoops is where it's at.

00:39:23.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:39:36.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. And these hoops, hobby blasters is a great place to start.

00:39:38.21
Adz
It's loaded. They...

00:39:40.88
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yep.

00:39:42.03
Adz
Yep. People in their 20s, 30s, 40s are probably not going to see value, long-term value and investment in hoops.

00:39:47.82
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:39:50.74
Adz
But I tell you what, a 12-year-old child after their weekly game of basketball that gets a hoops blaster for playing a good game is going to absolutely lap this stuff up.

00:40:00.82
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:40:01.63
Adz
It's the perfect entry-level product.

00:40:07.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:08.54
Adz
I think that's...

00:40:08.88
Russell Gibson
All right. Market Movers app. This next post is most sold cards. Number one on the list is Stefan Kassel. Rookie from the Spurs.

00:40:18.20
Adz
agree.

00:40:19.61
Russell Gibson
Bronny James is second. Wemby is third. Reid Shepard. Bazoulis. Dalton Connect. Richer Shearer. LeBron James. Zach Eadie. And Jared McCain. So I think what we should do is give Stefan Kassel a little bit of love. I don't think we've talked too much about this kid.

00:40:38.44
Adz
hi great

00:40:38.55
Russell Gibson
I'm middling on him as a prospect. i'm I'm not all in on this kid by any stretch of the you know imagination in saying that. I think he's fun to watch. So definitely, you know, watch this space.

00:40:49.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:50.48
Russell Gibson
If you're watching Spurs games, which I absolutely am at the moment, even though Fox looks like it's going to be out for the rest of the year, um you know, the Spurs are a good out. it's You know, you're not going to be too bored watching the Spurs.

00:41:00.85
Adz
yeah

00:41:01.26
Russell Gibson
So just going to 130point.com, I've just searched for Stefan Kassel to see what would come up. We've got a lack of the lottery to 125 $124.99 USD. for a hundred and twenty four dollars and ninety nine cents usd A lot of inserts on here.

00:41:15.92
Russell Gibson
I'm not seeing a heap of like prism numbered cards and that type of stuff, which i was kind of hoping to see to be perfectly honest. Stefan Castle, rookie NBA hoops insert Funkadelic in a one touch.

00:41:27.11
Russell Gibson
I hope that's a GTI one touch. That sold for $26.99. I'm surprised by that actually.

00:41:31.37
Adz
Nice.

00:41:34.17
Adz
But bonus plus the value of the one touch. Yeah.

00:41:37.13
Russell Gibson
That's right. Bowman Chrome, wavy gold to 50, sold for 168.

00:41:39.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:44.55
Russell Gibson
Sorry, USD. That's really interesting to me. So I think what that says to me is moving into future products when he is signing.

00:41:52.49
Adz
oh

00:41:52.53
Russell Gibson
I think he's going have a lot of value there. If you've got a university product selling for that much, that to me is either overs or there's a lot of collectability on this kid.

00:41:57.65
Adz
yeah

00:42:01.64
Adz
so So question of this of this rookie class, obviously Stefan Castle is the standout.

00:42:03.65
Russell Gibson
Talk to me. Yep.

00:42:09.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:09.45
Adz
um do you Do you think this is going to be one of those sleeper products where rookies are going to start popping up in future years? Or is this this is just going to be one of those very ordinary draft classes where not a lot of value gets outside of a few key players?

00:42:24.51
Adz
Obviously, we've got players that have sort of been in and out with injuries. um Obviously, you've got your your McCain and there's a few others there that are already at the bottom of that list, but they're still there.

00:42:32.47
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:42:35.25
Adz
um Yeah, I don't...

00:42:37.42
Russell Gibson
I mean, how many actually true bad draft classes have there been where there hasn't been a single prospect in it? We'll probably have to go back and and look at this from a negative like connotation.

00:42:46.88
Adz
Deep dive. Yeah, no, no.

00:42:48.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:48.52
Adz
We can deep dive some draft classes to see where value.

00:42:50.34
Russell Gibson
We could do a timeless moments on this ad, just go back through like the last 10 years of draft classes. But look, I think there's enough here to kind of be like, there's going to be at least two or three kids in this draft that you're going to be like, you know I think they're going to be o okay.

00:42:55.14
Adz
Draft class value. Yep.

00:43:02.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:04.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:04.34
Russell Gibson
So just looking at the this draft class, I think Alex Saar can be okay.

00:43:09.91
Adz
Okay.

00:43:10.15
Russell Gibson
I think Richer Shear is going to be okay.

00:43:12.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:12.94
Russell Gibson
Reid Shepard, he's going to be a funny one because as much as I like his talent and potential, he might be a bit log jammed just like the kids in OKC are where Houston have got a really loaded, you know, young team that's good.

00:43:17.47
Adz
Yep.

00:43:24.17
Russell Gibson
Look, Castle, we've already spoken about him.

00:43:24.38
Adz
Yep.

00:43:26.34
Russell Gibson
Ron Holland, same thing. Like he's actually in a bad situation where the Pistons are good now.

00:43:29.23
Adz
e

00:43:32.89
Russell Gibson
Clinigan, I'm not holding on to hope for him. Moving down the board here, Cody Williams.

00:43:37.16
Adz
Well, Bozzelli's in the top five here. is it Bozzelli?

00:43:43.55
Russell Gibson
Pazilius, I'm not crazy on, to be honest, and the Bulls are a hot mess. And also, too, after they drafted Pat Williams and then paid him, I mean, how much um draft credit should you be giving them?

00:43:51.53
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true,

00:43:54.86
Russell Gibson
And then moving down, look, I think it's going to be tricky.

00:43:54.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:58.26
Russell Gibson
So look, maybe there's not that much in this draft, but there's always someone that will you know pop up and do a Giannis at some point, do a Yoki.

00:44:03.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:05.19
Russell Gibson
or

00:44:05.87
Adz
Yeah, it and that's the thing. it Some of these, yeah, some of these things are down the track.

00:44:07.26
Russell Gibson
It's too soon to call.

00:44:10.39
Adz
So maybe there is some value, maybe there's not, who knows?

00:44:10.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. We need to deep dive that. I think that we should put that onto the timeless moments.

00:44:17.76
Adz
i will I will add that to the list of potential timeless moments as we speak.

00:44:23.28
Russell Gibson
All right, so actually, so Castle is not selling for super crazy. So Prism, this is a green that sold for five USD.

00:44:30.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:31.26
Russell Gibson
All right, if he's selling for five to $10, if you can get a silver for sub $20 USD, I think that's a buy. I think that's worth a crack, honestly. Luck of the lottery silver for $23.49. There's one of those per box.

00:44:47.78
Russell Gibson
I've got no problem with that.

00:44:51.67
Russell Gibson
Honestly, I think that's fine. All right, let's move on. We'll do one more really quickly and then we'll go to a break. All right. I am not a sneaker person, but I'm all aboard this.

00:45:02.05
Russell Gibson
The Adidas Harden Volume 9 is a Darth Maul crossover that looks absolutely sick.

00:45:06.86
Adz
Oh, this Cardi. this These shoes are hot.

00:45:10.65
Russell Gibson
I am A plus frothing for this. And again, I don't even buy sneakers.

00:45:13.11
Adz
They...

00:45:15.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:15.88
Russell Gibson
Would you buy a pair of these, Ad?

00:45:17.44
Adz
I wouldn't, but I really... I like them. I like them a lot.

00:45:20.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think in true Ucom Comp this fashion, we have to then at least talk about one James Harden card. 2018 Crown Royale Kaboom Raw, last sold for $390. PSA 10, last sold for $750.

00:45:38.92
Russell Gibson
Population on that is just five. Let's look at the BGS 9.5. That's interesting. Last sold for $630. Let's see when that last sold though, because that does make a big difference.

00:45:51.49
Adz
Which Kaboom is this?

00:45:51.69
Russell Gibson
Actually, that this is the 2018 Crown Royal James Harden.

00:45:55.86
Adz
Oh, I've got the 2013.

00:45:59.78
Russell Gibson
um That last sold actually not that long ago, january sorry July the 7th in 2024. So that actually is a bit of a shout out to all those people that say that 9.5 sell for more than 10s.

00:46:12.34
Russell Gibson
So the 10 sold for 750 in 2023.

00:46:17.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, pretty it's pretty close in value, isn't it really?

00:46:18.49
Adz
Goodness gracious.

00:46:22.10
Adz
It is. It's actually not a bad card as far as, you know what i mean? Like it's, you normally, yeah, yeah.

00:46:28.34
Russell Gibson
The aesthetics is beautiful. Yeah.

00:46:31.27
Adz
Yeah, interesting one. I know that the the artwork of the Kabooms have changed over the years, so ah don't I don't dislike this.

00:46:35.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:41.20
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. US Sports Cards Australia, thank you so much for your support and ongoing care and love. Shout out to the lads at US Sports Cards Australia and also to all of our friends who are trapped in this hurricane.

00:46:53.36
Russell Gibson
We should have said this at the start of the show. We are thinking of you sending us...

00:46:55.62
Adz
In Queensland, yeah.

00:46:56.94
Russell Gibson
your best wishes up there and particularly to Ross. so Ross needs your cards. Please go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Click on the three little noodles. Go down to check out my cards, Australia, and then check out my card submission. Fill out the form, send your cards to Ross.

00:47:14.92
Russell Gibson
He will sell them for you. He is selling more cards than he's putting into his inventory. That is now the problem that he's got. If you want to get rid of a whole box of cards, it's just sitting in your office collecting dust. You want to move them on, roll that cash into more hobby cards for your own little collection.

00:47:32.15
Russell Gibson
This is a way to do it. Thank you so much to team US Sports Cards Australia.

00:47:42.01
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, this is our last segment of today. are you doing?

00:47:44.77
Adz
I am great, we're in the home stretch.

00:47:46.82
Russell Gibson
We are. Now, looking at this little list here that I've got lined up for us, what would you like to talk about first?

00:47:54.72
Adz
Let's, well, I've got, can I get the low hanging fruit?

00:47:58.40
Russell Gibson
course she can.

00:47:59.38
Adz
Kobe kaboom.

00:48:00.65
Russell Gibson
Let's do it. Kobe Caboom, let's go. I'll let you run this one out.

00:48:03.28
Adz
Even though, even though this card does, this is the actual gold version of the anyway, I'm not even going to start.

00:48:09.01
Russell Gibson
Don't start. just Just enjoy it, mate.

00:48:12.46
Adz
ah Note, eye-catching sale from Card Ladder, 2018 Panini Kaboom, Kobe Bryant Gold to 10, sold by Golden for $93,330 on the 22nd February.

00:48:17.17
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:48:26.19
Adz
That is a card. twenty second of february that is i sexy cards That's all I can say.

00:48:36.69
Russell Gibson
Insanely.

00:48:37.41
Adz
It's gold.

00:48:37.76
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:48:38.38
Adz
if The only only criticism I had is Kobe should be in the purple jersey.

00:48:47.61
Russell Gibson
And then you get more contrast in it.

00:48:49.39
Adz
Yeah, then it's literally purple and gold.

00:48:51.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Ah, right.

00:48:52.41
Adz
Because it's the gold to 10.

00:48:52.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I'm with you.

00:48:53.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:53.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:54.57
Adz
The gold jersey on the gold background, Kobe gets lost a little bit. If it was a purple jersey or the black, like Hollywood Knights jersey, that would be crazy good.

00:48:58.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:03.99
Adz
But still...

00:49:04.17
Russell Gibson
I've got to be honest with you, man. I actually don't mind this, though.

00:49:06.41
Adz
I love the card, it looks great.

00:49:07.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like the the gold or the yellow and the gold or the gold and the yellow, however you want to say it.

00:49:12.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:13.28
Russell Gibson
The canary yellow.

00:49:15.00
Adz
It's definitely gold, Laker gold, my friend.

00:49:21.84
Russell Gibson
How many people at home would remember the 12th man?

00:49:24.71
Adz
i if we've if we get two listeners that remember that they knew exactly what that was from, I'd be surprised.

00:49:27.51
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:49:30.07
Russell Gibson
I feel like our listeners in, say, Germany, America, Philippines.

00:49:34.53
Adz
Yep. might Might struggle a little bit.

00:49:35.57
Russell Gibson
We might need to dig this up and put this on, just like, repost it onto socials, actually.

00:49:39.47
Adz
That's it. so Need to get something with off-white. Anyway.

00:49:45.21
Russell Gibson
some cream and some beige.

00:49:45.29
Adz
Don't Milwaukee have an off-white?

00:49:46.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:50.05
Adz
Anyway. With the beige. The cream, the off-white, the ivory or the beige. Yes, gold on gold for Kobe and it is Laker gold for sure. 93k for a kaboom.

00:50:01.10
Adz
Gold kaboom.

00:50:01.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:02.19
Adz
Is this a buy? Yeah. is this a buy

00:50:05.40
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm just going to go back to what were talking earlier with the Wemby versus Steph, right? Like this is cemented in the legacy is done. The risk is not there. You know, low numbered kabooms.

00:50:18.76
Russell Gibson
Yes, it's authentic. I got to be honest with you. I don't really care about that. I'm actually, in fact, let's just keep...

00:50:22.51
Adz
yeah

00:50:25.62
Adz
I was going to say that was my, that was my, the, the, the authentic, PSA authentic.

00:50:30.61
Russell Gibson
No, but let's stay with that though. Like it's about the card. It's not about the grade. I think I'm i'm totally down with this, you know?

00:50:34.01
Adz
Yeah, i know. I know. I'm, I'm, I'm, that's the, that was the trigger point for me.

00:50:36.03
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:50:38.88
Russell Gibson
You get the PSA guarantee. It's a beautiful card. You know, you're not worried about him, you know, any risk on it.

00:50:43.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:44.78
Russell Gibson
Like, I just think this is, um I'm going to be fixated on this idea for a long time.

00:50:45.29
Adz
Yeah. It's beautiful.

00:50:49.48
Russell Gibson
I can already feel it, but I'm totally fine with it. Alrighty. Our next topic, this is very self-indulgent, but I just really want to talk about this. We're going to recap or we're going to discuss the future status of the Phoenix Suns first round picks. 2025 Rockets unprotected.

00:51:06.36
Russell Gibson
26 Wizards unprotected swap. 27 Rockets unprotected. This is insane. 28 Wizards unprotected swap. 29 Rockets unprotected. 30 Wizards unprotected swap. 31 Jazz unprotected.

00:51:23.09
Russell Gibson
that I mean, as much as I've been raggy on Nico lately, that is a very, very close second to mortgage your future out like that in such a diabolical way. Like, just say the Lakers did that, right?

00:51:35.70
Russell Gibson
I'd be like, that's fine. People want to go to the Lakers. They'll sign with them for cheap. They can get a sign and trade, whatever. No one is wanting to give a discount to go to the Phoenix Suns.

00:51:46.04
Adz
No.

00:51:46.16
Russell Gibson
And they're going to have no draft equity. Like, nothing. Nothing at all.

00:51:50.28
Adz
Literally nothing.

00:51:51.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:52.49
Adz
Well, it means it frees up their calendar. they've got They don't have to watch the draft every year. <unk>s That's a bit of time that they've got back.

00:52:01.01
Russell Gibson
I mean, even looking at this year where i I like their roster. I actually think they've got a good roster. They're currently 29 and 33. They're not even in the play-in.

00:52:08.72
Adz
They're a train wreck.

00:52:10.23
Russell Gibson
And they're actually quite a way away. So

00:52:12.58
Adz
The Vegas Suns has been put in the comments.

00:52:12.98
Russell Gibson
ah

00:52:16.53
Adz
because they're bad gamblers. Anthony Milne put Vegas in the... Yeah, they've gambled away in their future.

00:52:23.42
Russell Gibson
I if you can take future bets about how bad a team is going to be, I'm like literally putting every... Like this to me is like the Washington Wizards of the West now.

00:52:33.07
Adz
It's going to be. They've still got Kevin Durant for not much longer.

00:52:34.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah. he's They've agreed to trade him in the offseason.

00:52:37.37
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I mean.

00:52:39.40
Russell Gibson
Like what if...

00:52:39.89
Adz
Like, does Booker want to go?

00:52:40.96
Russell Gibson
So what if Booker demands a trade too?

00:52:41.77
Adz
All right. Yeah, but then no they'll get some assets back, but you're right, they'll be the Wizards.

00:52:46.80
Russell Gibson
I mean, not that many picks.

00:52:48.43
Adz
The Lakers also give up a lot of their picks, but they but they invest in they their investments were like things for like LeBron and Luka.

00:52:55.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well, they barely gave up any picks on the Luka one. I know you're trying to trigger me. Don't, mate. Don't do it, okay? It's still too raw for me.

00:53:04.75
Adz
it Too raw? Too raw, okay.

00:53:06.63
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:53:07.06
Adz
Okay.

00:53:07.69
Russell Gibson
All right. SGA. This is from Card Ladder. Now, this an interesting one because this is a Prism autograph. We don't normally see these sort of big dollar spends on Prism autographs. So this is an interesting trend for me.

00:53:19.69
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, 2018 Prism. So that's his rookie year.

00:53:23.99
Adz
Yep. yep

00:53:24.51
Russell Gibson
Population on this is actually 61. So it's not even that particularly low pop. It's spiked up to 2,600. So what I wanted to talk to you about is my question is, is this just more a sign of the market where people are now starting to get onto SGA, trying to pick up stuff relatively lower pricing?

00:53:42.36
Russell Gibson
Or is this something that we're now going to see a trend or ah market change? Because traditionally, no one cares about prism autographs.

00:53:51.70
Adz
I think it's ah it's an SGA thing more than a market thing, personally.

00:53:54.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:56.31
Adz
um

00:53:56.66
Russell Gibson
it's fine.

00:53:58.43
Adz
But I could be, I'm happy to be proven wrong. It's, yeah.

00:54:00.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:03.35
Adz
don't know. it's It's, yeah, you're right. Prism isn't renowned for its for its autos, but it's actually a pretty, it's a very nice card.

00:54:08.88
Russell Gibson
No.

00:54:11.40
Russell Gibson
I was actually thinking that too. Aesthetically, that is excellent.

00:54:17.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I think if you're trying to find value in the hobby, this is actually a good place to start. Prism autographs are absolutely just disregarded in terms of aftermarket sales. So maybe this is actually a smart play. You're buying into something that's relatively cheap. You're getting ah you know ah big name that's going to get bigger into the future. We've already talked about this.

00:54:37.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:38.40
Russell Gibson
Look, it's a nice pickup. I think the price point for me is a little bit too high, but at the same time too, that also could just be what's happening with his market at the moment where it just is, is high.

00:54:43.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:47.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:49.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:49.63
Adz
True. True.

00:54:50.96
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Our, our market stick, Jason Tatum, eye-catching sale 2017. two thousand and seventeen So that is from his rookie here. The black one of one select

00:55:06.27
Adz
That's a very nice card.

00:55:08.38
Russell Gibson
Patch autograph. So that's the laundry tag patch. Now that to me looks like a sticker autograph, but I could be wrong. It's a little bit hard to see on that photograph. That sold for twenty five k

00:55:17.63
Adz
That's probably a sticker. um Wow.

00:55:21.23
Russell Gibson
All right. Actually, i didn't intend to do this on purpose, but we can comp this. So today we spoke about the Wemby 101 Black Donruss sold for $26,000.

00:55:30.16
Adz
hmm.

00:55:31.59
Russell Gibson
This is a joke. Actually, when you lay it out like that, would you rather have a select laundry tag patch autograph Tatum for $25,000 or the Donruss Wemby for $26,000?

00:55:42.40
Russell Gibson
That's insane. When you say it like that, like that is ridiculous. What a purchase on that Tatum.

00:55:49.36
Adz
I would, um and and as a Lagos fan, this is not easy to say, but I take the Tatum every day of the week.

00:55:53.76
Russell Gibson
ah Oh, all day. I mean, even if you even if you can't stand Tatum, just like the logic of it sitting there for you.

00:55:58.57
Adz
The logic behind it, right?

00:55:59.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:00.01
Adz
um

00:56:00.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:00.97
Adz
And it's funny that, was it the Don Russ but in the in the Wemby one of one that said someone said, is this criminally underpriced too?

00:56:09.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I was like leaning towards that. But then when you see an example like that, you're like, actually, hang on a second. and

00:56:14.65
Adz
Okay, so if we kindve we've comped these two and and we're saying that the we some people are thinking the Wemby was underpriced, this is clearly then underpriced.

00:56:15.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:22.15
Adz
So is it what would you expect this to go for? If you didn't see the price tag, what would you have said this was sold for?

00:56:35.36
Russell Gibson
I find this stuff, to be honest, like pretty hard to comp out in my head. And the reason is because I don't deal in this wheelhouse. Like for me, this is all just like fantasy money, right?

00:56:42.83
Adz
Yeah, this is all it's all fantasy money. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:56:45.17
Russell Gibson
But where my head is at. So to answer that question in a sort of a non-specific way, it's more just about what I was talking about before with Steph. It's like, this is a card where the the risk has been taken out of it.

00:56:55.21
Adz
the relativity to it, right?

00:56:55.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:56.69
Adz
There's there's ah that level of relativity.

00:56:56.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:58.87
Adz
i think that' Personally, I think that Donruss one-of-one is about the right price.

00:57:03.17
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.

00:57:03.67
Adz
i would I would value this this Tatum closer to the 30 to forty k

00:57:11.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:13.23
Adz
Like I wouldn't have, it i I wouldn't be surprised if it said eye-catching sale, Jason Tatum, laundry tag, one of one auto sold for $38,000.

00:57:20.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:23.08
Adz
Do

00:57:23.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, probably the thing that brought it down was the BGS sticker. If that had said PSA, I think that would have been at least probably another 10K.

00:57:29.88
Adz
you reckon it's over 50? Do you reckon it's over 50 if it's got a PSA 10?

00:57:32.80
Russell Gibson
Probably. But

00:57:34.18
Adz
ah ps i ten

00:57:35.76
Russell Gibson
I wouldn't crack that to resub it to PSA. Honestly, I think the risk to reward on that is just too high. And also too, because those thicker cards are tough to grade anyway. So getting a 9.5 is actually excellent.

00:57:47.96
Russell Gibson
And so, yeah, as much as I think PSA is king, you just leave that one alone. Alrighty. This next one is an insanely deep cut, but ah this is also to do with my fantasy basketball team. So Kai Jones has been a two-way player for the Clippers for the last, say, 12 months or so.

00:58:06.71
Russell Gibson
He was released by the Clippers. He was immediately picked up by the injury riddle Dallas Mavericks. On debut, he had 21 points. He was just good. He was active. He was playing both ends of the court. He was running hard. like That's the thing that really gets me. like Watch this guy run down the court at his size.

00:58:23.92
Russell Gibson
It's actually it quite fantastic you know to sort of see that athleticism going on.

00:58:23.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:28.48
Russell Gibson
Unfortunately, he's currently now on the injured list, but 21 points, eight rebounds, six dunks, nine of 10 field goal off the bench. He's not going to do that every time he goes out there.

00:58:37.11
Adz
Nice.

00:58:37.13
Russell Gibson
But look, solid little prospect.

00:58:37.88
Adz
nice

00:58:39.23
Russell Gibson
If you're looking for a very, very, very deep cut, you could check out some Kai Jones. That's just a little bit of a fun one. ah This next one is about future releases and the downtown is next year going to be an optic.

00:58:53.33
Adz
Thoughts on this?

00:58:53.71
Russell Gibson
ah Look, this is not the first time that we see case hits move around. So the easy one to think about is Kabooms. And we talk about this every time that we talk about Kabooms. Always like, oh, it's from innovation. It's from Cornerstones. It's from, you know, this, dada da, da, da, da.

00:59:08.26
Russell Gibson
So, you know, it moves around Crown Royale.

00:59:10.75
Adz
the and the The case hit stays even though the even.

00:59:10.88
Russell Gibson
And then it's going to be in Revo coming up next year. Yeah.

00:59:15.18
Adz
Yep.

00:59:15.92
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:59:16.21
Adz
And that's one of those. The set might not exist, but the like the actual the the insert set is being kept.

00:59:23.46
Russell Gibson
The case hit exists. Yeah.

00:59:25.04
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:25.53
Russell Gibson
Lives on. Yeah.

00:59:26.58
Adz
yeah

00:59:27.05
Russell Gibson
Look, I think this makes sense because really what was in Donrass last year, and I think also too, if you think about this is like really clever because The next 12 months in product is going to be very problematic for Panini because of the signature status.

00:59:40.65
Russell Gibson
So what I mean by that is there's only a handful of rookies signing, which is the thing that people would normally be chasing. So yeah, you take that out, but you replace it with a ah very collectible case hit.

00:59:51.42
Adz
yeah

00:59:51.86
Russell Gibson
Definitely not as collectible as a Kaboom. More collectible than... i would say this to me is a very clear second in terms of case hits.

00:59:59.82
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:00:01.55
Russell Gibson
You know, I like this. Actually, this is very logical.

01:00:04.73
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:00:04.73
Russell Gibson
And then from a, I'm just trying to be a, I'm just trying to be panini for two seconds in terms of spreading out how much product they can print. This lets them just blow the shit out of optic now too. So, you know, they're gonna print heaps of hoops. We've already seen that with the hoops hobby blasters, you know, how much prism they print.

01:00:25.08
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:25.09
Russell Gibson
Now going to do it again with optic, you know, it just gives them just the license to just print this out basically.

01:00:27.07
Adz
Yep.

01:00:29.77
Adz
Yeah. yeah Would you want to wrap this up by um talking about a notable and eye-catching sale or noteworthy sale downtown wise then?

01:00:39.61
Russell Gibson
Well, let's just do Dinah Trossi for two seconds, literally two seconds. Look, shout out to Dinah Trossi. She's retiring. You know how much I'm into WNBA at the moment. So I think this is one of the one of the goats.

01:00:50.51
Russell Gibson
Maybe the, was going to say Kings.

01:00:52.27
Adz
One of the OGs.

01:00:52.53
Russell Gibson
That's not the right. Yeah, let's just say the OGs. So just shout out to her. Happy retirement. Thank you for everything you've done for basketball. I hope you make friends with Caitlin Clark once you retired.

01:01:01.08
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:03.80
Russell Gibson
That would be nice.

01:01:04.76
Adz
Nice.

01:01:06.84
Russell Gibson
All right, let's finish the show.

01:01:08.33
Adz
Let's finish this up.

01:01:08.57
Russell Gibson
Dame Downtown.

01:01:09.40
Adz
Yeah, Dame Lillard downtown given. Yeah, we're going across to be talking about downtowns.

01:01:16.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:19.23
Adz
2016 Studio. I remember when they were in it from downtown.

01:01:21.73
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:01:23.66
Adz
Damien Lillard, FD6, PSA 10, Pop recently sold for on the rise.

01:01:33.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:34.76
Adz
know that's a very notable sale for for dame lilllit

01:01:38.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so my takeaway from this is is looking at the all-time data and watching it go up and down, but also watching it go up consistently.

01:01:47.79
Adz
What do you think of this card?

01:01:47.88
Russell Gibson
This is what I'm...

01:01:49.06
Adz
like the Like the actual visuals of the card though.

01:01:53.34
Russell Gibson
I love downtowns. I love the narratives behind them. I know that the criticism the last couple of years has been that people don't like the artwork, but look, ah i enjoy I enjoy it. But what I take away from this is more about just learning about what cards are important.

01:02:03.09
Adz
Oh, this is, yeah. True.

01:02:08.69
Russell Gibson
and how that the trends can change over time.

01:02:09.23
Adz
True.

01:02:10.69
Russell Gibson
I think this is the perfect card for that. Dame is not that particularly hobby relevant. You know, this card is not one of the biggest cards out there, but at the same time too, I think this is the right purchase.

01:02:22.57
Russell Gibson
You know, it really does come down to timing though, because look at that. I think that's the other thing to talk about too, is look at the timing on this. you This ranges, you know, literally $600 six hundred dollars

01:02:32.54
Adz
You could have bought this back in 2019 for less than $100.

01:02:33.30
Russell Gibson
it

01:02:35.24
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. for less than a hundred bucks

01:02:39.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. But then moving forward, even like see the two dips that they're at, there's like that really big dip down to sub 400.

01:02:43.47
Adz
ya

01:02:45.78
Russell Gibson
And then moving forward, that's around, you know, just a little bit over 400.

01:02:49.44
Adz
yeah

01:02:49.59
Russell Gibson
So, you know, that's the type of stuff that sort of, you know, gets me interested in, and I think also keeps me bidding on eBay.

01:02:57.56
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:58.57
Russell Gibson
You just never know when you're going to get lucky sometimes and ah just get something like that.

01:02:59.19
Adz
That's a good point. That's a good point. that's Yeah, that's true. and Yeah, yeah very good point.

01:03:02.76
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

01:03:04.44
Adz
Great point.

01:03:06.63
Russell Gibson
ah That's it. We're done. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Adam.

01:03:10.50
Adz
Thank you, Russell. It's been a great great episode. Good chat today. It's just like a a lot of different topics.

01:03:13.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:16.94
Adz
um

01:03:16.97
Russell Gibson
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01:03:26.24
Adz
10am Thursdays?

01:03:27.26
Russell Gibson
Late night, Tuesday night, and then very late night, Friday night at 3 a.m.

01:03:27.39
Adz
Is that... and like

01:03:31.38
Russell Gibson
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01:03:32.15
Adz
Nice. So you could have we could have we could have listened to it um this morning if I would if i was up at 3am.

01:03:32.86
Russell Gibson
for people in Melbourne.

01:03:38.86
Adz
Oh,

01:03:39.36
Russell Gibson
Oh, sorry. That would be Sunday, 3 a.m. That would be very late night, Saturday night.

01:03:42.88
Adz
ah it's a night. So I can listen in. I can tune in if I go out and...

01:03:45.21
Russell Gibson
We can party tonight. That's right.

01:03:46.41
Adz
Yeah, if I go out and party.

01:03:47.09
Russell Gibson
Listen to our own tunes. ye

01:03:48.54
Adz
Awesome. Awesome. Also, yeah... um Check out the YouTube channel. We've had ah the timeless moments have been going up as their own episodes up on YouTube. There's new videos going up every week. um Yeah.

01:03:59.78
Russell Gibson
You're doing a fantastic job with those videos, mate.

01:03:59.87
Adz
Jump on board. Check it out.

01:04:01.69
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much. yeah

01:04:03.20
Adz
And we will see you in the next episode. See you guys.