Episode 198: Wemby 1/1 Sales, MJ Topps Chrome, and Fastbreak Trading Cards Turns 1!

You Can't Comp This Podcast - Episode 198

This week on You Can't Comp This, we cover a massive week in the hobby!

• Fastbreak Trading Cards celebrates its 1-year anniversary—congrats! 🎉
• Wemby mania continues with two 1/1s selling this week.
• The mystery of the MJ Topps Chrome—what’s the story?
• SGA and Jokic—how do they stack up in the market right now?
• Mailbag time! We tackle:
  • Double-listed cards—what’s the deal?
  • Duncan Jambalaya—underrated or properly valued?
  • Moses Moody—buy, sell, or hold?

Tune in now! 🎧

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Welcome everybody to episode 198 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your host, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:40.05
Adz
And we saw each other in person today.

00:00:43.29
Russell Gibson
We saw each other twice this weekend.

00:00:45.58
Adz
this is This is unheard of.

00:00:47.51
Russell Gibson
Unusual. Yeah.

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Adz
It was like, yeah, like so like we've spoken three times in a few days.

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Russell Gibson
And now a third time today.

00:00:53.79
Adz
that That's not unusual. um I mean, we've recorded back-to-back days and done stuff like that. But yeah, dinner on dinner on Friday night, that was lovely.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
And then we werere at the we are and then were at the trade day our sponsor Fastbreak trading cards today, which was a lot of fun.

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Russell Gibson
Social butterflies. Look at us. Yep. Yep.

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Adz
Like, i think I think that's just the best place to start.

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Russell Gibson
I think we start there. Let's recap.

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Adz
Like, we we had an um amazing day.

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Russell Gibson
Let's recap the trade day. Yep.

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Adz
and it was it was their one-year anniversary. So the congrats to the guys at Fast Break. It was, geez, they put on a show, don't they?

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Russell Gibson
That was fantastic.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It really was. They just, they just knew how to do it. And I was thinking about it today afterwards, when I came home, i'm like, if you sat down and had a meeting and said, okay, what do we want from a trade day? You know, what do we want to achieve here?

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Russell Gibson
I feel like they ticked all those boxes. They had, you know, lots of people coming through the door.

00:01:44.47
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

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Russell Gibson
They had things on special. So they had 10% singles, 20% off sealed. Yep.

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Adz
Which was huge, by the way. That was like, yeah, the seal product moving.

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Russell Gibson
yeah

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
giveaways for the kids. The first 50 kids went through the door, got a little prize, which was like really cool.

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Adz
That was.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
And the kids enjoyed opening the packs and they had like chockies in there for the kids and a sticker.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Then they had a raffle and they had a giveaway for that. And then they had people cooking food.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
i had people giving out drinks for people, non-alcoholics, of course.

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Adz
Ah, there were cans, there was sausage sizzle.

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Russell Gibson
And it was just ah

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Adz
It was it was awesome.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Then they had tables set up so people could put their cases out.

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Adz
Why don't...

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Russell Gibson
And there was a few notable people there. So Darren from the Melbourne cartel was there. So Darren, g'day. And my kids played with Darren's kids for probably two or three hours.

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Russell Gibson
And it was just a really, they had a great time.

00:02:34.45
Adz
Yeah, that's awesome.

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Russell Gibson
And, you know, they're hoping to catch up with him again. And then Jonah Michaels was there and he had his

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Adz
Jono Michaels was there. That was a grand entrance with cases galore.

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Russell Gibson
He had his suitcases.

00:02:44.20
Adz
i Ready to wheel and deal.

00:02:44.95
Russell Gibson
i thought he was staying over the night, to be honest. Yeah.

00:02:48.06
Adz
Yes.

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Russell Gibson
He's having a sleepover. That was the impression I got when he turned up.

00:02:51.98
Adz
Yeah. We ran into...

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Russell Gibson
So, yeah, it was great.

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Adz
to Joe Fu was there. That was good. we had we had a good chat.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Adz
and obviously he had dinner dinner with Joe the other night. That was that was pleasant. A really interesting catch-up.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:03:04.29
Adz
That was fun, but I mean... Yes, I did get one bit of feedback from from Darren with regards to he couldn't believe that he saw what he saw when he met me today. And for those playing at home on YouTube, that's right. I'll be the bullet.

00:03:20.64
Adz
I have my Luka Doncic jersey. um That doesn't mean I'm buying any Luka Doncic cards, but he plays on the team I go for.

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Russell Gibson
but Just a matter of time, Ad. You've already crumbled to get a jersey, so i think it's just a matter of time until you start buying some RPAs.

00:03:33.55
Adz
I'm on the train. I'm on the train. That's all right.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:35.63
Adz
ah ah I don't want him to disappoint me anymore.

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Adz
But it was. It was a lovely day. We had a lot of fun. It was great to see kids just trading cards and opening packs and flicking through the the the the bargain boxes looking for for Pokemon cards, for footy cards, for basketball cards.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:55.98
Adz
it was It wasn't just any one hobby. It was just kids enjoying the hobby.

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Russell Gibson
The energy was absolutely fantastic today.

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Adz
It was lovely. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:04:03.67
Adz
Yeah. As I said, these guys how to put on a show and, and yeah, we'll, we're looking forward to the next one already.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, fastbreaktradingcards.com. Check out the guys. They've been supporting us now for a really long time. We're very grateful for it. 75 Tulip Street in c Cheltenham.

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Russell Gibson
Friday, 12 to 6. Saturday, 9 to 5. And Sunday, 10 to 4.

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Russell Gibson
um what I was looking at some football stuff. When I say football, I mean soccer. I picked up a box of Tops Chrome last week and this week.

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Adz
oh

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Russell Gibson
Here it is here. Top's finest. Bundesliga soccer hobby. So that was for $165. But I think they've it's $165 on their website, but I think it was around the $130 mark today.

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Russell Gibson
So thank you so much, guys, for the for the great deal.

00:04:59.38
Adz
ah yeah it was the deals galore it was awesome

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Russell Gibson
And, yeah, it was just absolutely fantastic. Yep.

00:05:04.90
Adz
lot of giveaways.

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Russell Gibson
but

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Adz
Yeah, there were even, there were door prizes. It was, was like a a free entry raffle. Everybody was, that was there got a, got an opportunity to, to win something.

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Russell Gibson
Hmm.

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Adz
So it was awesome. It was really, can't speak highly enough of the, of the guys there at at fast break.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, and that was really, really good.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're absolutely killing it. And yeah, good on them, honestly.

00:05:23.48
Adz
Yep.

00:05:24.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we just, I think we're just more proud of them. I think that's the best way I've been thinking about it.

00:05:28.24
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:05:29.33
Adz
Yeah. Happy first birthday is ah to the store. Yep. That was awesome.

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Russell Gibson
Alrighty, first thing in our run sheet ad is a Wemby card sale comparison. So this is from Slab Stocks. Follow these guys on Instagram. They just do some really good content and not over-the-top sort of nonsense stuff like other stuff you see out there.

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Adz
Mmm.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Which do you think was a better buy for the money? Last night at Fanatics Collect Auction had two huge Wembys one-of-one sell, the NT Rookie Logam and one-of-one PSA 9. And the Mercury Game Worn logo patch auto inscribed one of one BGS 9.5.

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Russell Gibson
So obviously without pointing out before we talk about prices, the first thing we need to point out is one is um

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Russell Gibson
authorized and one is not authorized. And I'm sure I'm saying the wrong word here.

00:06:23.46
Adz
No, no, one's licensed, one's unlicensed, right?

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Russell Gibson
Licensed and unlicensed. Thank you very much. Yep. that's the That's exactly the word that I was looking for.

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Adz
The unlicensed one has an autograph on it. Isn't that great?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So i think if you said that you've got one that's unlicensed with a patch, game worn patch, and then autograph on it, and it's one of one, would it sell for five times less than the the non-autographed?

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Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure if that's game worn or not, but I'm going to tip that it's not game worn.

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Adz
Just a random NBA logo. might not even know. I'd be up for Jersey. who

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, and it sold for $528,000.

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Adz
Let's be fair.

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Russell Gibson
So it's it's a really interesting like comparison, actually, because I think there's like there's two parts of this. Obviously, there's the unlicensed and licensed component, but then there's the huge like divide there, despite the much better value for money.

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Russell Gibson
I think you're getting at that $78,000 mark. But I think at the end of the day, you know, if you sort of keep going back to like Prism Draft Picks or you go back to you know, to Mercury and you go back to Leaf products that come out, you just do not get the same return on those cards, even if they are comparable cards on what you get from a fully licensed card.

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Adz
Can I...

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So I think this is a really good, almost like a teaching moment and a really good example for people to make it, you know, as crystal clear as you possibly can. how important that licensing actually is to a card and to a card sale.

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Russell Gibson
So i think for me, you know,

00:07:51.31
Adz
How do you think that'll look down the track though? Like, do you think it'll, it'll, that'll change?

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Russell Gibson
look, it might change a little bit. And i think the person who paid $78K for that, look, I actually think that's a pretty savvy purchase.

00:08:04.39
Adz
Mm.

00:08:04.57
Russell Gibson
i think I think, you know, my problem with obviously the one of one is from NT is you know, it doesn't have that autograph on it, but, you know, clearly...

00:08:13.98
Adz
Well, i've got I've got a big problem with it because it should have the Don Russ no autograph inscription on it. I think they really missed the window and the opportunity to have that no autograph, which has become so synonymous with all this rookie product for the people that aren't signed with Panini.

00:08:31.86
Russell Gibson
I'm glad they've stopped doing the non-autograph. Like I, I didn't like that.

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Adz
The nautograph.

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Russell Gibson
yeah I sort of found that almost.

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Adz
Tacky.

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Russell Gibson
distracting and it was sort of like, it was a very negative sort of connotation attached to the card. Whereas I think doing what they've done here, it's it's just a really nice, you know, nicely laid out card.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
um To answer your question specifically, no, I don't think so. i I think to me, this, what this demonstrates is this is what collectors want. Collectors want authentic licensed product as opposed to something that's unlicensed.

00:08:59.34
Adz
Hmm.

00:09:02.21
Russell Gibson
So yeah it's a like this to me is a really interesting case study, you know, for that exact reason.

00:09:03.36
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:08.25
Adz
And to be fair, it's a licensed autograph. It's just the NBA jersey stuff is not licensed. So... we We don't want to tread on the wrong.

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Russell Gibson
And clearly they've, you know, they've botched.

00:09:16.37
Adz
Yeah. Because they've got, they're the ones that are authorized to use his auto.

00:09:20.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure. But they're not allowed to use the NBA stuff. And I think if you're looking, if you're looking at the jersey there, it's, you know, it's a terrible Photoshop that they've done too. So.

00:09:32.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:32.90
Adz
Oh, it's, it's woeful. Like it's actually, it's gross. Like it's like, he's at training. It probably is like, he's taken from him being at training.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
It's, but it's like, what, what are they, what do people value more? The licensed card with whatever the logo patch comes from, the manufactured patch, actual game worn, some other guy that isn't Victor Wembe-Niana's jersey, whatever.

00:09:56.87
Adz
But the licensed card from Panini, which is obviously being sold for half a million dollars or Wembe's autograph with some white, white bells and whistles on it.

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Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:10:02.94
Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:10:07.51
Russell Gibson
So if you could purchase either of those, which would you choose?

00:10:14.86
Adz
I'm with the the the one that sold half a million dollars. like um ah But I like the Logo Man. The Logo Man is, it's a Logo Man. It's the Logo Man one of one.

00:10:22.93
Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:10:24.87
Adz
i mean, it's sad that it doesn't have an autograph on it, but it's still a Logo Man.

00:10:27.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:28.95
Adz
um Really interesting question from our friend Anthony Milne was, should unlicensed cards ah let be allowed to be graded?

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Russell Gibson
G'day Anthony.

00:10:39.31
Adz
Like, should the unlicensed one, should that be should Beckett have graded that?

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Russell Gibson
Why can't they grade it?

00:10:45.97
Adz
It's not a licensed card.

00:10:49.29
Adz
So it's the NBA license that they don't. It's a licensed basketball card. Tops are allowed to produce them.

00:10:53.53
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:10:57.73
Adz
So I guess we've got to be careful on what we, how we team it.

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Russell Gibson
I think my answer to that is, I think it depends what you're grading. So where I'm going with this is, we know it's from Topps, which is a very reputable company. You know, Topps do baseball.

00:11:09.55
Russell Gibson
Topps have done basketball, obviously, in the past, you know. So I don't think, I actually don't think there's a problem with it because it's coming from Topps. If it's coming from leaf

00:11:17.78
Adz
Yep.

00:11:19.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I've got some problems with that. And without going too much into that, they've had problems in the past with the authenticity of their autographs. And I think that for me is a very dark cloud that sort of hangs over the leaf stuff.

00:11:27.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:30.39
Russell Gibson
And so whether that should be authenticated, I don't think so. But I think in this instance, that's okay.

00:11:34.17
Adz
Mmm.

00:11:37.26
Russell Gibson
um And particularly when you see the price point difference. So you went for the... the logon, and actually I'll go for the patch autograph. I actually think for dollar for dollar spend, I think you're getting a lot more, you know, back for your money.

00:11:49.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:49.56
Russell Gibson
i also think too, that maybe that's a little bit under for the RPA one of work. Whereas I kind of feel like the NT, maybe that's a fraction over ads.

00:12:01.17
Adz
Yeah. Oh, look, look the NC one might be overs. I just don't like the aesthetic of the of the RPA. Like, it just doesn't feel like an RPA.

00:12:07.18
Russell Gibson
Hmm. Hmm.

00:12:10.10
Adz
And for the amount of words on there that it's it's just like, they have to be careful not to use NBA on it. It's...

00:12:16.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:17.32
Adz
I mean, National Treasures, it doesn't say NBA National Treasures and stuff on it, but at least it says NBA on the card.

00:12:17.79
Russell Gibson
No, all those things.

00:12:23.03
Adz
Do you know what i mean?

00:12:23.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:23.51
Adz
Like it just says 23, 24, Tops, Mercury, Autograph, Relics, Foil, Refractors, War II, Victor Wembenyana, Inscription, Verified by Fanatics.

00:12:25.22
Russell Gibson
I probably think...

00:12:33.85
Russell Gibson
It does have his rookie card emblem on it in that bottom left on the Fanatics card.

00:12:37.59
Adz
Yep.

00:12:40.12
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:12:40.35
Russell Gibson
and Look, at probably at the end of the day, I think you're right. I think you've chosen the right card. I think probably what I'm trying to struggle is just the price point on that. But, you know, I think we were talking about this the other day, you know, keeping in mind the timeline, you know, da-da-da-da-da.

00:12:47.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:53.55
Russell Gibson
Like, this is clearly post-injury. So maybe that's something else that's, you know, that's a really positive thing that's come out of this.

00:12:57.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:00.25
Russell Gibson
Okay, so this is two massive cards that have sold post-injury and to put, you know, half a million dollars into a card, like that's, like to me, that's like honestly quite risky. So I think that says a lot to me about what's going on you know with his sales.

00:13:14.47
Russell Gibson
So in lieu of all of that, let's really quickly check out his silver PSA 10s, last sold for 7.19.

00:13:19.60
Adz
o

00:13:21.64
Russell Gibson
So the last three months, he's actually up 2%. Let's just zoom into the last month. He's down just 1%. So despite all of this, Actually, he's been incredibly stable.

00:13:34.88
Russell Gibson
um The lowest in the last six months that he's been down to is 673. Like this, I would actually say, considering what he's been through, that is insanely stable. I was expecting um fireworks shooting down to the ground, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

00:13:53.92
Adz
I'm looking, I'm just looking into the pop report. um

00:13:58.48
Adz
Just because, because that's, yeah, no.

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Russell Gibson
I mean, that's a separate podcast altogether. How much time have we got to go through 4,388 these?

00:14:02.50
Adz
No, just, I'm just trying to see what the numbers are.

00:14:02.78
Russell Gibson
So total 7,000. Yeah, right.

00:14:06.11
Adz
Yeah, there's a lot.

00:14:06.55
Russell Gibson
ye

00:14:07.53
Adz
There's a lot. um

00:14:09.06
Russell Gibson
so total

00:14:09.27
Adz
for

00:14:10.08
Russell Gibson
is seven thousand

00:14:12.78
Adz
Yeah, I'm looking at the pop and I'm and i'm like, you know what? There's five black labels. BGS. BGS.

00:14:19.99
Russell Gibson
yeah right

00:14:21.17
Adz
Just, just got it in my mind there because the 9.5.

00:14:24.08
Russell Gibson
Which is a huge number though, Ad, because actually when you think about it, they're so tough to get a black label.

00:14:25.31
Adz
yeah

00:14:28.79
Russell Gibson
So you know I think all the, you know, it's really funny. I think the perception at the moment is that Prism or Panini product isn't produced that well. I actually think the last couple of years, the quality control has been much improved.

00:14:43.67
Russell Gibson
And I would say gem rate of 66% demonstrates that. And in addition to that, five black labels. like

00:14:49.91
Adz
yeah

00:14:50.79
Russell Gibson
You tell me what other card has got five black labels on it. Look, I'm sure there's one out there, but to me, that's like it's quite amazing. There's a Wemby. Well, there's five of them, basically. Alrighty.

00:15:02.84
Adz
Yeah, well, five black labels is is pretty is pretty impressive.

00:15:06.92
Russell Gibson
Yep. I just noticed you put the eye-catching sale in there. I think that's exactly the same card that we were just...

00:15:10.86
Adz
That's the 528, yeah, were just talking about.

00:15:12.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we're just chewing the fat on so we can um we can skim through that bad boy. And then what have we got here?

00:15:17.49
Adz
But there were there was a previous one that they talked about because they were they were talking about that card specifically, where will it end? I think it was bidded up to a couple of hundred K and everyone's like, when is it going to end?

00:15:23.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:27.30
Adz
So for it to hit 500, that was...

00:15:30.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's huge.

00:15:30.76
Adz
pretty impressive, especially the injury.

00:15:31.35
Russell Gibson
That is insane. There must have been a few.

00:15:33.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:34.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. There must have been a couple of guys beating on that pretty hard. Like that's insane.

00:15:37.72
Adz
yeah

00:15:38.65
Russell Gibson
Sports card investor. Victor Wembenyama surpasses Zion as the most graded Prism card by PSA, according to our friends at GemRate.

00:15:50.61
Russell Gibson
So there is 42,500 Wembes and

00:15:57.81
Russell Gibson
um I actually think it's the perfect time for us to segue into a little gem rate conversation. We have not done gemre numbers gem rate numbers for a very, very long time. So Ryan, if you are out there listening, ah we send you the warmest wishes from Australia and hope that you're well made.

00:16:18.03
Russell Gibson
Grading recap from the 10th of March to the 16th. Total items graded. $332,000 minus 1%. CGC coming second $52,000 minus 30%. SGC, $38,000 minus 14%. And Beckett, $3,000. minus one percent c gc coming in second at fifty two thousand minus thirty percent sgc thirty eight thousand minus fourteen percent and back it Coming in last of the big four at 10,200 cards minus 6%.

00:16:47.90
Russell Gibson
um Just insane numbers, isn't it? Like, I think we've, we haven't gone through this for a little while.

00:16:52.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:53.88
Russell Gibson
and And it really feels like to me that the juice is just getting squeezed on this grading market hard right now, isn't it?

00:17:01.38
Adz
It's pretty insane when you think about it. It's, some yeah, it's just, it's nuts. Can you think about what we used to, like what happened pre-COVID, like the amount of cards that were graded, like it was a lot, but it wasn't, it wasn't as regular like this.

00:17:18.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Are you surprised that Beckett is down so low?

00:17:20.41
Adz
It's interesting.

00:17:23.99
Adz
No, I think they're they they just putter along at their at their pace.

00:17:28.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:29.25
Adz
and And I really feel like they've drifted off the off the planet, so to speak, with regards to... to

00:17:40.93
Adz
Yeah, to to the way they way they operate. I think Beckett are just this line that's their own little wave.

00:17:44.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:48.72
Adz
you know what i mean? But it's like... That said, i also think PSA is this unassailable juggernaut at the moment. And I don't know.

00:17:56.99
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:17:57.80
Adz
I touched on this. I actually have a chat with somebody about this today. and And I said, I don't know if the gap is healthy for the hobby. But that's just a view. There's no...

00:18:09.49
Adz
um

00:18:10.01
Russell Gibson
What do you think is unhealthy? So I'm looking at the the graph items graded by week.

00:18:13.44
Adz
big

00:18:14.47
Russell Gibson
What do you think iss unhealthy about that?

00:18:16.42
Adz
about ah you mean the separation from but between PSA and, um, and next.

00:18:24.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:25.37
Adz
you know what mean? Like it's, I just don't, I think because it's so, so my problem is, yeah.

00:18:28.43
Russell Gibson
But what about it? do you know what I mean? Like just sort of like pad it out a bit. Yeah.

00:18:33.18
Adz
So, so my issue or or the thing that I have raised concerns with and we've over the years, i believe this is exactly what's happened. Um,

00:18:42.73
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:18:43.87
Adz
A smaller grading company makes a minor mistake and they're out because everybody turns on them. PSA make mistakes and everybody's reaction seems to be that they're huge.

00:18:57.38
Adz
Little things are going to happen.

00:18:59.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:59.77
Adz
So they're not being held accountable for the the screw-ups that happen. And the less accountability they have, the more they can exploit the the consumer.

00:19:11.64
Adz
i just I just feel like... there's less oversight in the grading world now because of the dominance of PSA.

00:19:21.69
Adz
It's actually their brand, not their quality that that we're that we're trusting.

00:19:28.13
Adz
and that And that's purely conjecture.

00:19:30.15
Russell Gibson
So you don't trust the overlord.

00:19:31.00
Adz
i

00:19:31.59
Russell Gibson
Is that, is that what you're saying?

00:19:33.16
Adz
Pretty much. I'm saying i'm saying they're going they're writing their name. It's not about the quality of the output.

00:19:40.98
Russell Gibson
Sure. You're paying for the brand.

00:19:41.60
Adz
There's no way to cross check. Yeah, but you're not able to verify that the PSA 10s you're getting are actual PSA 10s.

00:19:43.75
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:19:49.28
Adz
Like there are errors that happen and I don't know. I have concerns. I feel like there's no oversight.

00:19:56.19
Russell Gibson
So think,

00:19:57.11
Adz
There's no one watching PSA to see what they dish out and how their quality how their quality control is done.

00:20:03.53
Russell Gibson
yep

00:20:04.40
Adz
And I think when it comes to something like grading, there needs to be some level of

00:20:07.83
Russell Gibson
yep

00:20:10.04
Adz
And I'm not saying it needs to be legislative oversight. Like it doesn't need to be like a defined in like government regulated policy.

00:20:20.52
Adz
What I'm saying is it needs to, there needs to be some oversight or watchdog that say, what happens if PSA get lazy and start dishing out tens to all the nines just to make people happier?

00:20:31.19
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:20:33.67
Adz
Who's going to have the oversight? not saying it happens. I'm just saying who does it if it does happen that way. And I think we, yeah as a consumer, tend to let them off the hook for a lot of stuff too.

00:20:48.24
Adz
Whereas Beckett, nobody lets off the hook these days because they've shrunk into non-existence. Any other smaller grader, they make one mistake and no one ever wants to grade with them again. Like PSA are a snowball that's just rolling down a hill and can't be stopped.

00:21:06.64
Russell Gibson
So don't

00:21:06.99
Adz
I'm like, what would it take what would it take to to get people to not trust PSA?

00:21:13.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So don't quote me um what I'm about to say, but I'm pretty sure that I was reading a while back that they're going to be implementing a system so you actually can now see what the grading flaws are on the card.

00:21:18.04
Adz
Sure.

00:21:27.76
Adz
Okay, I know that would there were some changes in transparency.

00:21:27.86
Russell Gibson
And I think that's something that's, yeah. So I think that's that's a long time coming. So I think you're talking about, you know, who's checking up on them. Like, I think that's a really good way to start to get that transparency.

00:21:36.89
Adz
Yeah. Who's checking the checker?

00:21:37.48
Russell Gibson
So it's really it's really easy to then understand, you know, what the problem is.

00:21:42.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:42.32
Russell Gibson
They actually do keep records or the cards are graded because i I definitely know of an instance when um there was an expectation a card was going to be sent off and come back as a nine or a 10. The card came back as a five or six.

00:21:52.33
Adz
Yes.

00:21:53.94
Russell Gibson
It was significantly less than what they were expecting. the the sub person actually contacted PCA and they got back to them said, look, here here is where the mark is. when they looked at it under a microscope, they actually, they could see the mic that PSA was talking about.

00:22:08.00
Adz
Beautiful.

00:22:08.84
Russell Gibson
So, you know, there is some feedback there. um I actually got a card back myself from PSA today.

00:22:11.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:14.38
Russell Gibson
I come back as a nine and 10 on the autograph.

00:22:16.48
Adz
Okay.

00:22:18.07
Russell Gibson
So it's a crown Royale card. um Obviously they're,

00:22:22.00
Adz
This is one you're talking about on on Friday. Yeah.

00:22:24.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I'm really happy with the result that I got. And then i was actually just reading the PSA grading um standard. So PSA 9 is nearly perfect with only one minor flaw.

00:22:37.06
Russell Gibson
And I think sometimes we get so caught up on if it's not PSA 10, you know, it's worth nothing.

00:22:37.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:42.86
Russell Gibson
But like, think in this instance, particularly when it's the Crown Royal card with all those extra edges on it,

00:22:49.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:49.92
Russell Gibson
um and and the card is numbered to just eight i'm actually and now that i've read that i kind of feel like doubly happy if that makes sense so i think this is a really long-winded answer of how i'm replying back to you but i agree like i understand what you're saying when there's no you think you feel like there's no oversight but i think there is processes on their back end um and then for example so the one

00:23:12.34
Adz
but ah But it's not about their internal processes. what What I mean is who's looking at their processes?

00:23:22.43
Russell Gibson
Well, sure.

00:23:22.60
Adz
This is what I mean about about about this this particular business being regulated because everyone puts so much, there's so much money invested on a grade.

00:23:26.88
Russell Gibson
Look, I don't think...

00:23:32.54
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:23:34.28
Adz
But that's all, like I'm not, yeah, I'm just, I'm i'm being a bit cynical about it, but i I see a lot of people blindly trusting PSA.

00:23:34.61
Russell Gibson
Look, I probably... Hmm.

00:23:43.92
Adz
get they've got the guarantee and look, like I understand they're they're they're the best at it.

00:23:47.12
Russell Gibson
Well, they've got their guarantee, the market share, but also to the aftermarket resale price. Like that's the, they're the three really big things that, you know, I think that influences people to go to.

00:23:55.06
Adz
But therere there are, all right, so there are PSA counterfeit Jordans. there were there there Every time there's a screw up, it's brushed under the rug and we still trust PSA wholeheartedly.

00:24:01.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:05.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:06.07
Adz
That concerns me, that's all.

00:24:08.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. No, fair. All right. Let's go to a break. We're somehow, we're already up to 24 minutes. i think we've, um we've segued pretty hard here.

00:24:17.89
Adz
We love a chat, come on, we love a chat.

00:24:20.33
Russell Gibson
All right. We'll be right back.

00:24:31.81
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how are you, champ?

00:24:35.47
Adz
I'm good. I'm very good.

00:24:37.27
Russell Gibson
Great. so All right. MJ tops Chrome. Let's talk about this because this is in a wizard's uniform. You don't see a lot of these.

00:24:46.27
Adz
Ooh, an MJ in a wizard's uniform.

00:24:47.35
Russell Gibson
I don't think you see a lot of these for basically for two reasons. I think the first reason is because anyone who thinks about Jordan, um they fantasize about him in that sort of beautiful red colored uniform that he was wearing.

00:25:00.17
Russell Gibson
Not this wonky looking wizard's blue, right?

00:25:02.57
Adz
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:25:04.61
Russell Gibson
But he did play for the Wizards, and it seems to me like there is now becoming a collector's um market for this.

00:25:07.28
Adz
He did indeed.

00:25:11.81
Russell Gibson
So look, this has actually got the old time sales on this. So this is going back to 2007, if my old man eyes can read that properly. This sold for $40 back then.

00:25:19.82
Adz
Yep.

00:25:21.61
Russell Gibson
it's just progressively come up. So but nearly sold for about the current comp. I think that sold for, it looks to me, like about $3,600.

00:25:29.76
Adz
Mmm.

00:25:29.96
Russell Gibson
It trended down and across for a little bit, and then it spiked back up again. So, this sold for $3,800. Population on this is just $48,000. So, i think I think that's a major part of what's driving the sale up on this.

00:25:44.37
Adz
Pretty crazy.

00:25:45.83
Russell Gibson
I've got to tell you, I'm not like doing cartwheels over this sale in any form, but I think what this just hits home for me is that people love MJ. people love refractors or prisms.

00:25:57.57
Russell Gibson
what However, you know, you would like to label this card as, and, um,

00:26:01.35
Adz
Well, Tops likes them as we call them refractors. Panini likes to call them prisms.

00:26:07.81
Russell Gibson
But in my head, it's just a shiny card that's a parallel, right? So for me, if you want to call it a refractor or a prism, like, I actually, I could care less, honestly.

00:26:11.89
Adz
Yeah, the parallels. Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:16.52
Russell Gibson
um It's the beautiful shiny looking one that looks insane. ah Yeah. So, you know, that's sort of my, I don't have a deep analysis on this card, you know? People have shiny stuff, people have Jordan, people have PSA 10.

00:26:27.07
Adz
yeah

00:26:29.15
Russell Gibson
So, you know, maybe... ah What we should be doing is looking these ones up and buying them on the on the low.

00:26:41.52
Adz
Well, I think there is a ah market for that. like finding But what about finding the PSA 10 equivalents? What about finding actual PSA 10s?

00:26:52.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:53.11
Adz
Like, if you see these cheap, these superstars of the game, and and there's not many of them, um I don't think LeBron's quite there yet.

00:26:59.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:01.65
Adz
But I'm literally, like, you see old MJs and Kobys. Those inserts from, like, the late ninety s maybe PSA 10 and you're paying less than a hundred or 200 bucks, get the card.

00:27:15.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:17.51
Adz
Just get the card. Cause there's a chance it goes up.

00:27:19.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:23.59
Adz
Spikes like crazy.

00:27:24.02
Russell Gibson
We were talking about, yeah, we were talking about two of those cards last week. We were talking about the Steph Curry and the Giannis and I agree with you.

00:27:29.61
Adz
Yeah, but it's, it's, it's, are there any other players like that?

00:27:31.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:33.37
Adz
Like it, is it Because I reckon there's is is's there's only a handful in history kind of thing. Like Magic Johnson, you don't say much.

00:27:40.87
Russell Gibson
So who's your who's your handful of people that you would include into that bracket then?

00:27:46.29
Adz
I would say Jordan.

00:27:47.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I agree with that.

00:27:48.07
Adz
i was I would say Kobe.

00:27:50.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:51.45
Adz
I think LeBron.

00:27:53.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:27:54.29
Adz
Once he retires, that will start happening. I'm an R with regards to other 90s superstars like Shaq, Hakeem and played like players like that. I just don't think...

00:28:05.48
Russell Gibson
Nah. Steph is bigger than those two combined. So...

00:28:08.15
Adz
Yeah, yeah,

00:28:09.77
Russell Gibson
So that's four.

00:28:10.25
Adz
I think, I think, I think, so whoever got, I've got Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Steph.

00:28:10.34
Russell Gibson
So he's got one more.

00:28:16.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:23.14
Adz
Number five is TBD.

00:28:26.34
Russell Gibson
Come on.

00:28:26.40
Adz
I don't, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say Giannis.

00:28:29.16
Russell Gibson
Come on, man.

00:28:32.92
Adz
Um, I don't know. I actually i actually don't know. Like I would have said someone like a, but it's not, yeah you've got anyone before before Jordan doesn't have the variety of inserts.

00:28:43.17
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.

00:28:49.09
Adz
And after Jordan, it's,

00:28:53.59
Adz
I keep trying to think, but I don't know.

00:28:58.05
Russell Gibson
All right, I'll give you a bit of a hand because sometimes you can get a bit blocked. Shaq, Magic, Larry Bird, Kareem, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robinson, Charles Barkley, Hakeem, Dr. J, Baylor, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Jerry West, Tim Duncan, Moses Malone, Scotty Pippen, Walt Fraser, George Mike and Isaiah Thomas, Drexler, Koozie.

00:29:13.62
Adz
None of those have inserts. Sorry, chuck Charles Barkley has inserts. Shaq has inserts.

00:29:24.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, now we're sort of getting down to like a bit more like mid sort of stuff.

00:29:26.37
Adz
But do you know, you are like I thought Shaq was probably at the top of that. Like I'm a Pippin collector, but I'm not putting Pippin in that pile. Shaq, I'm like, oh, maybe, but that's probably because I hang out, like I talk to Joe Fu more than other collectors, so I know a Shaq collector. You know what i mean? Like,

00:29:42.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:43.55
Adz
I don't ah don't think anyone, but and I still, there is a limit to the the the players of today that you put up. Like, I think Steph, for me, is a lock. Steph's the next man up on that mountain.

00:29:54.88
Russell Gibson
Oh, definitely.

00:29:58.01
Adz
But um not I can't Jokic there. Like, he's got, yeah.

00:30:02.97
Russell Gibson
I was going to say, that's that's my pick.

00:30:05.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:05.22
Russell Gibson
My pick is Jokic. I just think that...

00:30:08.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:09.24
Russell Gibson
um he's like a he's a here and he's also a future guy. And I think that's what I've been betting on this last 12 months. Okay, so this is actually the perfect time to segue into our next segment and just sort of watch the slight tears come down my eyes as we start to talk about this card.

00:30:19.39
Adz
Sure.

00:30:24.56
Russell Gibson
So this is the blue number 299. It last sold $11,750. If you look the all-time sales on this, it was trading $100.

00:30:28.49
Adz
Yep.

00:30:32.66
Russell Gibson
if you look at the old-time sales on this it was trading at like ah hundred dollars ah In early 2020. So that card has just exponentially gone up.

00:30:42.90
Adz
ah

00:30:44.56
Russell Gibson
So it hit 4,000 in COVID. That's sort of like mid 2021. Obviously, it came down a little bit after COVID. So it was trading around the $6,000 mark. And that has just gone on a steep uphill ever since. So...

00:30:59.37
Russell Gibson
Um, yeah, it's just, this is just reinforcing like what I said last week where I just didn't have the testicular fortitude to buy a card. And this is just, it really, it gave me indigestion when I saw the sale on this.

00:31:11.83
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to lie to you. had like a bit of bile in my mouth, sort of like, like feeling, uh, God, it's just rubbing salt in the wounds at this point.

00:31:15.46
Adz
It's like, I can't do this anymore. Sorry.

00:31:21.42
Russell Gibson
And last week we did a player versus player Jokic and SGA.

00:31:25.12
Adz
Yes.

00:31:26.85
Russell Gibson
We're not going to do that again this week, but there was another massive SGA card sold this week. It is his Blue Ice. and This is numbered to 99. This to me is is fascinating.

00:31:39.49
Russell Gibson
ah This sold for $9,000.

00:31:39.67
Adz
Wow.

00:31:42.79
Russell Gibson
And the same thing with this card here. This has just exponentially gone up. So, you know, I feel like this has doubled in... a couple of months, frankly. So this sold this year for a little bit less than 5,000. Then there's been another, it looks to me like there's two little dots there.

00:32:01.45
Russell Gibson
So two more sales.

00:32:01.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:02.33
Russell Gibson
And then this most recent sale of that population on this is 35 the PSA 10.

00:32:09.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, this is just like, for me, this is, I find this really troubling because i'm like, that's just pure speculation. um You're buying it at the hype time, you're you're buying when everyone else is sort of jumping on this train, so to speak. And then but I suppose at the same time, if I be a bit more rational about it, even though my initial reaction is that this is numbered to 99, whereas the Yoki one is numbered to 199.

00:32:36.15
Russell Gibson
So you could look at at that.

00:32:37.32
Adz
Yeah, it's different.

00:32:37.67
Russell Gibson
it's You could say it's twice as scarce.

00:32:38.64
Adz
It's different.

00:32:41.72
Russell Gibson
But also, too, there's a lot more parallels when it comes to this particular year. Like if you're comparing apples to apples, I think you do have to factor that in a little bit.

00:32:48.80
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:32:50.90
Russell Gibson
And then also the total pop count on the Yo-Kick rookies versus the SGA.

00:32:53.09
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:32:55.14
Russell Gibson
There's a lot more total SGA rookies there is in the Yo-Kick one. Yeah. But still, this this to me, is it's tough. i'm I feel like, to me, this is a very much like a buyer beware type card.

00:33:06.58
Russell Gibson
And you know if you are purchasing this, I just feel like there's a lot more risk that comes along with it. It's this Yoki Kwan, I'm kind of like, this is almost the natural progression i was expecting to happen at some point with this card.

00:33:15.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:19.84
Russell Gibson
It's probably happened sooner than what I was expecting. I'm not going to lie to you, but... Yeah, it's it's definitely here.

00:33:24.58
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:26.56
Russell Gibson
So but what's your thoughts on these two cards? You can sort of roll it into one if you'd like.

00:33:31.32
Adz
It is. It's, um, the Jokic, I feel like it was naturally going to happen.

00:33:36.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:33:37.06
Adz
Um, and I feel like it's a delayed reaction. I feel like this spike is well and truly overdue. um

00:33:42.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:44.60
Adz
I'm surprised it wasn't up over 10k sooner. um The light blue, any of the Jokic rookie stuff that's light blue, I was very big on as far as the color match side of things.

00:33:58.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:58.63
Adz
um I think the select die cut was a light blue that I was like, if I had a rookie, I'd want that one.

00:34:04.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, ah yeah right.

00:34:05.53
Adz
And that's a very beautiful one. But yeah, this light blue, perfect. Interesting that OKC's got a light blue colour match as well, and that's the one that spiked for SGA. So...

00:34:15.23
Russell Gibson
You reckon it's a, it's a thing around the color match.

00:34:18.67
Adz
Yeah. ah Like, it might be. Like, it just might be the popular colour. um Like, I know Lakers stuff in the purple is thin because of the colour match.

00:34:27.48
Russell Gibson
It's hot. Yeah.

00:34:28.53
Adz
Yeah, it looks great. and And it does, especially it's not only numbered, but it's colour matched to the team. So as we were talking, but we actually touched on it last week with the green so much with um Jason Tatum versus a green numbered is even is escalating and yet again.

00:34:34.89
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah sure

00:34:48.67
Adz
So, yeah. I mean, i i maybe I put too much stock in colour matching, but um the numbered side of it, Like, I think it's a smart move. Crazy.

00:35:00.11
Russell Gibson
no Just really quickly, the Kia MVP ladder at the moment, this is off NBA.com. This article is written by Sean Powell. It's his projected rankings for the MVP. He's got SGA at number one.

00:35:14.19
Russell Gibson
He was last week at number two. Jokic at number two. Last week was number one. His number is 29.1 points, 12.8 rebounds, and 10 points. He's actually averaging a triple-double this season.

00:35:25.98
Adz
crazy

00:35:26.08
Russell Gibson
The guy's just a basketball machine. Number three is Giannis at 30 points a game, 11.9 rebounds and six assists. Like that's... Maybe we're actually in the mints of a...

00:35:39.71
Russell Gibson
Actually quite a remarkable season, but we just, but you know, yeah when you know, in in the moment, you don't realize it. Like if you read out the third place person in the MVP race and they're averaging 30, 12 and six, that's nuts.

00:35:46.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:54.08
Russell Gibson
Number four Tatum at 27, 8.7 rebounds and six assists. Donovan Mitchell at five.

00:36:00.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:00.44
Russell Gibson
And then the next five is Steph Curry, Cade, LeBron James, Evan Mobley and Jalen Brunson. ah So myra reflection on this list is you can see the the youth, like the next generation coming through. so you've got Evan Mobley there.

00:36:13.39
Adz
yeah

00:36:13.87
Russell Gibson
You've got Cade Cunningham there. You've got Donovan Mitchell. You've got Jason Tatum in the top five. like This is, to me, it's really exciting. you know Obviously, SGA at number one. So happy days.

00:36:23.92
Adz
Yeah, it's true. There's a new wave. there's There's definitely, there's a changing of the guard happening. And I think I've been sharing some funny memes about Steph Curry and LeBron getting old.

00:36:33.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:33.56
Adz
And it's just these new guys are coming. They're coming hard for them. They're really, they're full steam ahead.

00:36:37.54
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:36:40.54
Adz
OKC is top of the and NBA right now. um After the Cavs dropped a couple of games, OKC is the number one team in the league.

00:36:49.43
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:36:50.24
Adz
And the youth, it's, the new The next wave is here.

00:36:55.18
Russell Gibson
That's right. We don't need just talk about the Lakers like what Charles Barkley says. All

00:37:01.98
Adz
No. No, we don't.

00:37:04.16
Russell Gibson
right.

00:37:04.21
Adz
mean, the Lakers will be there. Don't worry. We know it's going to be ah a Boston-LA finals, it's but it's nice for the young ones to think they've got a shot. Yeah.

00:37:13.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty. Advertisement time Game Time International. Thank you very much for your sponsorship and your support.

00:37:25.50
Russell Gibson
We are very flattered that you would like to work with us on some sponsorships, so thank you very much. The reason why we've reached out to you is because of the quality of your product. You make these beautiful magnetic one-touches that just display cards in a very, very beautiful manner.

00:37:47.33
Adz
Me too.

00:37:49.57
Russell Gibson
Now, last week, I was in search of words that I couldn't think of what it was. So basically, when you take the OneTouch out of the packet, it comes in a removable plastic film.

00:38:02.51
Russell Gibson
Now, the whole purpose behind that is when you take it out of the packet, you then remove this plastic film. The surface of your OneTouch is absolutely flawless. You put it into the penny sleeve that's provided.

00:38:13.33
Russell Gibson
And again, somehow the penny sleeve just sits in there perfectly. There's no bubbles, there's no air pockets. There's no ah blemishes on your product and your card is just put onto perfect display.

00:38:25.59
Russell Gibson
That's the other reason why i really like these products because of the penny sleeve that's inside of it It's just fantastic. Superior display, no flaws, best in the hobby.

00:38:31.32
Adz
Yep.

00:38:34.94
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much to GTI. Now go to their website. GameTimeInternational.com. They will ship international to you. There is no problems at all.

00:38:47.02
Russell Gibson
Australians who are getting tired of dealing with customs, I would say it's going to be very unlikely that you'll be purchasing more than $1,000 of magnetic, so you will not have a problem getting these over the border.

00:39:01.21
Russell Gibson
Shout out to our friends in um taxation and border control. Hope you're all very well today.

00:39:11.61
Adz
But yes, they've got a pretty good range of of of products too. Top players a whole lot.

00:39:15.70
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:39:21.50
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. Adam, how you doing, champ?

00:39:24.19
Adz
I'm great. I'm great. Aside from being trolled about how badly the Lakers did in the chat, but that's fine.

00:39:29.50
Russell Gibson
You deserve...

00:39:29.58
Adz
Anthony Milne wanted to know, well, Josh Giddey almost got a quadruple double today.

00:39:34.05
Russell Gibson
You deserve all of the nonsense that people give you about the Lakers. Let's be honest, the Lakers are just player-stealers. I think it's simple as that.

00:39:41.83
Adz
Player Steelers? it was It was Nico that delivered Luca to our door?

00:39:46.96
Russell Gibson
and I mean, to be fair, that's actually the right question. Why on earth did... No, I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

00:39:51.11
Adz
heavy there was a

00:39:52.93
Russell Gibson
I'm not doing it.

00:39:52.93
Adz
they've real anthony anthony dave and Anthony Davis has got a new shoe out. It's called a moon boot.

00:40:02.04
Russell Gibson
How great would it be if he actually released a shoe that was called that?

00:40:05.38
Adz
He should to have his own range of medical supplies. How is the Dallas Mavericks should, let's be fair. Welcome.

00:40:12.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Oh, God. All right. Mailbag. Thank you, everybody who submitted your questions. We love talking about people's mailbag questions.

00:40:24.60
Russell Gibson
Tin Lamb. Tin, I'm not sure that you have messages before, so welcome to the show. Thank you for listening.

00:40:30.06
Adz
Welcome.

00:40:31.79
Russell Gibson
With cards being lost and stolen in postage or taxes charged on higher-end cards, is vaulting an option? Or do we still want to hold cards in our possession? So...

00:40:43.41
Adz
Yep.

00:40:43.54
Russell Gibson
ah The answer is vaulting is a very, very good option. And it's also something that people do to avoid taxes. So to answer your question, ah this is something that is being done currently. And yes, people are sort of aware of this loophole.

00:41:00.40
Russell Gibson
um There's multiple competing vaults out there at the moment. There's obviously the PSA vault. There's the eBay vault. There's the Fanatics Collect vault.

00:41:08.14
Adz
ye

00:41:08.61
Russell Gibson
um You can use ComSea as a vault to a degree if you're sending cards over for sale and then you know they never sale. um You can also purchase cards on ComSea and then leave them over there until you send them out.

00:41:22.51
Russell Gibson
I think there is a fee at some point in the line on that, so don't quote me on the ComSea one, but that's also one.

00:41:27.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:29.03
Russell Gibson
um So, Tin, yes, that is absolutely something to be done and there's information out there um available on that.

00:41:37.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:37.56
Russell Gibson
Andrew Suter Hewitt, would you do the honors, my friend?

00:41:40.59
Adz
Yeah. ah How about with Panini ending its contract with the and NBA and Fanatics taking over, ah design a product that you would like Fanatics to start the rain with.

00:41:52.47
Adz
Okay. Give me a Frankenstein type products of anything past present or what do you guys think um something in the hobby needs not wants?

00:42:05.96
Adz
It's an interesting one. Kind of Frankenstein product.

00:42:07.74
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.

00:42:09.15
Adz
Would you?

00:42:10.42
Russell Gibson
So, is he saying, like, so, for example, high-end chronicles where it's flawless, NT?

00:42:15.96
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like what's, what's maybe like, what are we launching it with?

00:42:17.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:20.35
Adz
Like instead of, It like, look, seriously, the low hanging fruit for for fanatics was to launch with Topps Chrome, right?

00:42:29.82
Adz
And Panini, obviously their flagship became Prism. um

00:42:39.51
Adz
I'll let you take this one first because um my my my my brain's ticking.

00:42:40.99
Russell Gibson
all right. So I've got two answers, okay?

00:42:42.55
Adz
It sounds like you've got an idea.

00:42:43.15
Russell Gibson
so

00:42:43.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:44.54
Russell Gibson
So my first answer is what you just said, the low-hanging fruit. I think the obvious thing that they're going to do is just go straight to Topps Chrome. I think there's a whole bunch of...

00:42:52.69
Adz
ah They've already released Hobbs Chrome without a license. Of course you get a launch it with it.

00:42:55.52
Russell Gibson
Sure. Sure, sure, sure. But I mean, when they're licensed and and it comes out, right? So that's that's the first scenario.

00:43:00.02
Adz
Yeah,

00:43:01.41
Russell Gibson
The second scenario, which I'm going to continue on with Andrew's hypothetical here. So let's just say hypothetically that Panini and Fanatics' lawsuit ends in a draw.

00:43:13.44
Russell Gibson
And they're like, okay, now what you actually have to do is work together.

00:43:13.66
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:43:17.98
Adz
Ooh, okay.

00:43:18.42
Russell Gibson
So then Upper Deck sees that they have to work together. So now they've got Panini, Fanatics, Topps, and Upper Deck all in this laboratory together. And they just released this product, which is like Chronicles, but it's the new Flawless. And so what they do is they just put all of these the best of all of these products into like, you know, one thing.

00:43:39.64
Russell Gibson
And they just draw all these autographs in together too. So then you've got LeBron, you've got Jordan, you've got Wemby, you've got Luca, you've got Ja, KD.

00:43:49.62
Adz
Yeah, okay.

00:43:49.80
Russell Gibson
And it's just like this mega product that comes out. That's my hypothetical for this, which is never going to happen, but this is my utopian world.

00:43:56.88
Adz
Yeah, yeah. yeah It's interesting. um Anthony Milne again in the chat um helping out.

00:44:03.13
Russell Gibson
You asked for a Frankenstein product, Andrew, and I feel like I gave you the biggest Frankenstein possible.

00:44:03.60
Adz
yeah

00:44:08.78
Adz
I think I'm going to piggyback on some ideas because ah Anthony Milne's put redemption with a personal auto with the person's name in a like name on it.

00:44:12.32
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:44:18.10
Adz
Like when you get your redemption, person that gets it redeemed gets it personalized, personalized autos.

00:44:20.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:24.62
Russell Gibson
Oof.

00:44:27.04
Adz
Can you imagine?

00:44:27.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:27.79
Adz
I don't think the secondary market will like it. I think collectors will love it. My, my product or my,

00:44:33.86
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second, but you could also ask them to write you could ask them to write something. So for example, right, so you're a Steph Curry guy.

00:44:38.65
Adz
Custom scripted. Yeah. Good point.

00:44:42.17
Russell Gibson
You you go up 40,000 three-pointers or the best three-point shooter either.

00:44:46.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:48.60
Russell Gibson
Or if you've got a Dominique Wilkins, the best dunker ever.

00:44:53.37
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:53.93
Russell Gibson
Or you should have won the dunk competition versus Jordan.

00:44:54.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:56.20
Russell Gibson
Something like that. Like how great would that be?

00:44:57.41
Adz
yeah

00:44:58.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:59.01
Adz
Gold medal game, night, night, best, all all the best, Steph. Like, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

00:45:03.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. I'm piggybacking off your piggyback there.

00:45:06.31
Adz
I like that, I like that a lot.

00:45:08.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:08.72
Adz
That was good. I do, I think, I actually think experiences are... something they'll use in the product. and And we talked about Frankenstein. So I'm like, I know we talked about the concept a while back with NFTs coming with extra stuff where it's just like, if you rip this, you get invited to an event.

00:45:25.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:28.52
Adz
I think they tried to do that.

00:45:29.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:45:31.04
Adz
That's cool.

00:45:32.26
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:45:32.31
Adz
And I'm like, that seems... like something they they've trialed and they might explore in the future.

00:45:35.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:39.39
Adz
i Actually, my butt my product would be that um Tops do a buyback every year and release a buyback pro product and they jump into the repack market.

00:45:48.29
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:45:52.26
Adz
That would be...

00:45:53.86
Russell Gibson
So be a bit more specific because there's already a buyback program with Topps already where there's a particular

00:45:54.46
Adz
a buyback

00:45:58.40
Adz
but ah but a buyback product...

00:46:00.99
Russell Gibson
there's a particular player and then I think if they make the finals in baseball or whatever, the World Series, whatever it's called, then you can take those cards into the hobby shop and they give you $5 a piece for them or you know whatever.

00:46:03.43
Adz
huh

00:46:07.83
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:46:13.46
Adz
Something like that. Yeah, So this would be...

00:46:14.77
Russell Gibson
So what are you talking about with a buyback? yeah What do you mean?

00:46:17.07
Adz
So they they they would... So Tops would put their hat into the ring with a repack product.

00:46:22.27
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:46:26.61
Adz
So they'd buy stuff back and repack and redistribute.

00:46:32.18
Adz
I don't know how that's going to work.

00:46:34.20
Russell Gibson
um Can I be honest with you? i actually feel like we should edit this out because I feel like that's something Topps would actually do and just mess with all these huge breakers and repackers out there and just try and take something else out of the market, right?

00:46:47.36
Adz
Well, it's not our idea that we're... Look, if they cut if they come up with it, we're not taking credit for it anyway.

00:46:54.72
Adz
It's fine. It's fine.

00:46:56.78
Russell Gibson
I'm sure Topps is listening to our podcast every week religiously, but...

00:46:57.26
Adz
Tops, if you want to... And if Tops are listening and want to want to ah reach out and take me on board as an ideas guy, I'm happy to happy to so discuss and negotiate.

00:47:07.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. As a consultant.

00:47:09.99
Adz
That's it.

00:47:10.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:10.79
Adz
That's it. Some ideas down here in the land the land of oz

00:47:16.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:16.77
Adz
We've come up with some pretty good ideas in Australia. We've got thirty one 30 point. we've got some We've got Tyson Beck. Why can't we be the next big brains that come out and hide by tops?

00:47:28.56
Adz
Easy.

00:47:29.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:29.90
Adz
We've all already called our set our other segment, Timeless Moments, and asked Panini to come at us. So why not like go both of them?

00:47:39.87
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.

00:47:41.00
Adz
Alan Ginter already have the have the keep car to open the back. Yeah, yeah, true. Just reading a couple of... But I do... i don't know. i think they'll I think there'll be some some play space.

00:47:55.09
Adz
As far as a flagship product go, um

00:48:00.40
Adz
i don't know what it'll be, but I hope that i hope they don't go the One Trick Pony with Topps Chrome. I think they're mucking around with ideas for for names of the flagship product at the moment.

00:48:05.66
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:48:12.33
Adz
Do you know what mean?

00:48:12.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:48:12.76
Adz
Like, I think these these little... um

00:48:17.75
Adz
eminence and stuff like that that they're trying to come up with a name that becomes their highlight product so when it when it comes out um i don't know just bring back the proper rookie shield don't like this crappy new one you've got

00:48:21.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:25.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:48:33.78
Russell Gibson
We have to cope with all that stuff, mate. It's going me all new artwork that we're going to hate.

00:48:36.46
Adz
i know i know there was uh was there one one other answer

00:48:37.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:40.30
Russell Gibson
Anyway. All right. Let's...

00:48:44.18
Russell Gibson
ah Mark Schmidt, in March Madness fashion, an NBA product breock bracket, Sweet 16 Knockout style, Prism, Hoops, Revolution, Flawless, NT, Quark, King Flux, iMac, Imac, Imac, Noir, Select, Spectra, Donruss, Optic, Mosaic, Origins, Knockout bracket.

00:48:50.12
Adz
Bracket.

00:49:01.29
Russell Gibson
I'll let you do the seedings and replace anything I left out. I think this sounds fun.

00:49:04.75
Adz
All right. Yeah, let's do that. Do you want do it? Should we do it next week?

00:49:09.52
Russell Gibson
Well, I think we put it to the listeners and let and let everyone vote.

00:49:09.96
Adz
ah do we just do it on socials over? Yeah, put it on socials and all right.

00:49:15.35
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:49:16.25
Adz
And do it every couple of days. Have ah have a vote for a new bracket. Okay. Head to head.

00:49:24.29
Russell Gibson
I'll put a couple to you just to sort of get us warmed up.

00:49:24.40
Adz
Let's do it.

00:49:27.63
Russell Gibson
Prism versus Hoops. Who have you got?

00:49:29.78
Adz
Prism.

00:49:31.07
Russell Gibson
Revo versus Flawless.

00:49:35.06
Adz
Flawless.

00:49:37.07
Russell Gibson
yeah Come on.

00:49:37.15
Adz
like Revo.

00:49:38.26
Russell Gibson
NT versus Court Kings.

00:49:40.68
Adz
NT.

00:49:42.20
Russell Gibson
Flux versus Immaculate.

00:49:44.43
Adz
Immaculate.

00:49:45.92
Russell Gibson
Impeccable versus Noir.

00:49:48.01
Adz
can you Can you put the high-end product against the high-end product?

00:49:51.63
Russell Gibson
I'm just reading it off the list.

00:49:53.34
Adz
Okay, i'm like I'm like, you can't put... You go Court Kings versus Revo, maybe.

00:49:58.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:49:58.95
Adz
in in t v NT versus Flawless.

00:49:58.96
Russell Gibson
But, I mean, eventually, the it it'll get weeded out by the time we get to the end, i think.

00:50:06.17
Adz
Yeah, but I just feel...

00:50:07.26
Russell Gibson
But Impeccable versus Noir interesting. That's not...

00:50:11.70
Adz
Alright, so but um a Mosaic versus Select. Select.

00:50:19.84
Russell Gibson
I'll take select even though I love mosaic dearly.

00:50:21.48
Adz
Same. I was trying to get, I was prior i was i was i was egging you on there because I was waiting for you to say Mosaic because I would have selected select.

00:50:26.19
Russell Gibson
i think as an overall product. Yeah. And also it just opens so nicely with those three hits out of select. It's yeah.

00:50:33.19
Adz
um Spectra versus Noir.

00:50:36.98
Russell Gibson
I think Noir for me with the, like the sneaker spotlights and the on-card autographs.

00:50:40.09
Adz
Okay.

00:50:42.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:43.51
Russell Gibson
And I find Spectre a little bit too sparkly for me. As much as I actually quite like those cards, but if you're putting me down to those too.

00:50:49.33
Adz
Hmm.

00:50:51.62
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:50:51.94
Adz
But i think I think you've got to go like like for like, right?

00:50:52.22
Russell Gibson
Optic...

00:50:56.19
Russell Gibson
I think eventually, but ah then also too, as you go through the brackets, it's going to get weeded out and it's going to even out.

00:51:00.42
Adz
It'll get weighted. Yeah, yeah,

00:51:01.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so...

00:51:02.13
Adz
But surely the first bracket can't be.

00:51:04.30
Russell Gibson
To be honest, I actually think this would be best if you just put it in a ah bracket randomized.

00:51:10.33
Adz
We'll do it. Okay. Okay. We'll do it randomised.

00:51:11.89
Russell Gibson
I'm sure there'll be a piece of software out there for you. um Mark, thank you so much, mate.

00:51:15.53
Adz
We'll be able to do it.

00:51:16.59
Russell Gibson
That's a really fun one. And that will give me something to do tomorrow night after work. So beautiful.

00:51:21.96
Adz
yeah yeah

00:51:22.75
Russell Gibson
All right. I think if we go to a break now, that'll give us 10 or 15 minutes for the last segment. And then we'll be back on track.

00:51:28.04
Adz
so little quick hitters and then we're done sweet done

00:51:29.62
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep. US Sports Cards Australia. Thank you very much for your ongoing support. Ross has got a major problem at the moment. He's launched this product called Check Out My Cards Australia or ComCA as Ross likes to call it.

00:51:46.26
Russell Gibson
And the problem that he's having is not enough cards are coming in. All the cards are being listed and sold. He needs your card. So please go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Click on the three little noodles.

00:51:58.15
Russell Gibson
Click on Check Out My Cards Australia. Then click out the submission form tab. Once you click on that, it will just take you through... A very simple process.

00:52:10.40
Russell Gibson
um How that you do it, fill out the form, all that type of stuff, it's all on the website. Otherwise, just send a message to Ross directly and he will take care of all of your customer service needs in the true US Sports Cards Australia way.

00:52:24.03
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much to Ross and Michael for your ongoing support.

00:52:53.24
Russell Gibson
Okay, Adam, we're back. How are you doing?

00:52:55.66
Adz
I am fantastic. Ready for the final stretch.

00:52:58.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so this one, we'll try and do this quickly, although I don't reckon we're going to do it quick. This is from Anthony Milled. How do you feel about this as a buyer? I'm bidding on a RJ Barrett numbered to 99 on eBay and stumbled across it on sale on Facebook as well.

00:53:15.16
Russell Gibson
I contacted the seller and said to me, he's only exercising the rule applied on eBay within 24 hours. If they get a better offer for the card, they will take the better price and cancel the auction.

00:53:28.51
Russell Gibson
ah My problem is people bidding on eBay don't know he's got it for sale elsewhere. ethics Ethically, I find this disturbing.

00:53:35.89
Adz
Um,

00:53:38.46
Russell Gibson
Hashtag, the hobby is alive and kicking. Anthony, as always, thank you very much for your

00:53:46.62
Russell Gibson
um ongoing comments and support for our website. Alrighty, there is a lot of ah comments and reactions to this. So obviously, this has struck a nerve not only with Anthony, but a number of other collectors.

00:54:00.21
Russell Gibson
I'll turn this over to you to hear what you've got to say.

00:54:03.42
Adz
um I feel like it's a deceptive practice. um I wouldn't be... Most people will say if they... And I'll use our Facebook groups as an example, listed elsewhere.

00:54:20.17
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:54:20.58
Adz
Be upfront and honest. I have this cut this card listed for sale on another platform.

00:54:22.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:25.19
Russell Gibson
Cross posted.

00:54:26.54
Adz
This is cross-posted.

00:54:26.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:28.30
Adz
That's all you need to do.

00:54:28.38
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:54:31.52
Adz
I think it's, and I agree. I tend to agree with Anthony. there's ah There's a level level of deception there. and And I wouldn't want to be the one on the wrong side of it.

00:54:42.31
Adz
That's all.

00:54:44.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:45.16
Adz
I just think, yeah, it just doesn't feel fair.

00:54:45.37
Russell Gibson
So I get bids canceled quite regularly. And as someone who enjoys wading through the depths of eBay and trying to find bargains and pick things up on the cheap, I i put these two things as a direct correlation.

00:55:03.97
Russell Gibson
And I think sometimes so sellers will cancel cards when they don't get the price that they want and then put some BS, you know, reason for cancellation, right?

00:55:09.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:12.10
Russell Gibson
So I think... um to to agree with your first part is that, yeah, I think the seller should have firstly said that it was cross-posted. And then the second part of this, I think at the end of the day, what what the problem is for people is they don't get the price that they want.

00:55:21.01
Adz
yeah

00:55:26.93
Russell Gibson
And so they use eBay auctions because it gets a lot of traction.

00:55:26.95
Adz
ye

00:55:30.75
Russell Gibson
Whereas if you put something up for sale for a set price, you actually might get more than that in an auction.

00:55:35.82
Adz
yeah

00:55:37.58
Russell Gibson
And I think that's the reason why, you know, people sort of go through that process. um The other thing,

00:55:41.79
Adz
But the reason you you do it in an auction is because you're you're rolling the dice on it. You can't just crack the sads about it if you don't get what you want.

00:55:49.15
Russell Gibson
um Well, no, I don't think that's what seller's perception is. I think seller's perception is that you get a lot more views on auctions than what you do on Buy It Now. And so people go, okay, great.

00:55:59.42
Adz
True, true. but But if it goes to auction and and you sell it at auction, like people are bidding on it, you can't just cancel it.

00:56:05.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. if you're a seller, you should honor the the purchase price, but I don't think everyone, that's not the culture out there.

00:56:09.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:11.89
Russell Gibson
I think what I'm trying to say is, and I'm, I think this is one thing i want to make like pretty clear.

00:56:12.78
Adz
Yeah, I

00:56:17.77
Russell Gibson
I'm not endorsing this person's thing. I'm just trying to explain to people what the, what the reality is out there in our community.

00:56:20.30
Adz
know. Oh, no. What with practices?

00:56:24.17
Russell Gibson
Right. And so i think for me, like managing my own frustrations, when I come into these things, i almost kind of go, look, this is the cost of doing business.

00:56:25.62
Adz
Mm.

00:56:32.28
Russell Gibson
And yeah,

00:56:33.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:33.74
Russell Gibson
I'm not happy that my cards get canceled, but you know, this is the reality. And so this, this is the perfect example of that.

00:56:38.04
Adz
Mm.

00:56:40.19
Russell Gibson
This guy wanted $3,000 for the card and that's what he had it listed for elsewhere.

00:56:46.70
Adz
Hang on, this is a different card, isn't it?

00:56:47.09
Russell Gibson
So the other thing he, the, I think it's the same one. So and the one, because Anthony found it for sale. And so, and so I think, you know, the other thing you can do here, if you would like to be a more ethical seller, because let's talk about this from both ways.

00:56:54.78
Adz
Oh, okay, okay, okay.

00:57:01.76
Russell Gibson
So, you know, let's point out what he didn't do, but also let's point out what he he can do. You can also set a reserve limit.

00:57:08.86
Adz
Mm-mm-mm-mm.

00:57:08.96
Russell Gibson
So then that means that, means And it will actually tell the people that, you know, the reserve hasn't been met yet, so it won't sell. You know, I think that's a very positive thing to do.

00:57:16.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:19.24
Russell Gibson
i think the negative thing, though, is that you have to then pay fees on that if you do set a reserve or it's an increased amount of fees. So there's that part of it, too. um The other red flag for me is this guy's only got 36 feedback points.

00:57:29.19
Adz
That's pretty, that's just pull.

00:57:34.40
Adz
Feedback.

00:57:35.81
Russell Gibson
So I'm just going to really quickly go into my eBay account and I am not prolific on eBay on anything. And I've got 766 points, um positive points of feedback. So...

00:57:48.91
Russell Gibson
like I think if you're dealing with people who have got you know less than 100, I think that's something you also need to sort of you know take into account. you know These people are either starting a fresh account because they've been booted or their last one's been canned and received a significant amount of negative feedback or they're very new to the hobby and they're a young person and they're probably going to be

00:57:57.08
Adz
Hmm.

00:58:01.68
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:58:10.76
Russell Gibson
a dick about some stuff and trying to get, you know, every single cent out of a deal that they can. And so, you know, that's my other perception about this too.

00:58:20.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:20.50
Russell Gibson
um And so, yeah, there's a whole bunch of questions, um comments on here and we can,

00:58:26.24
Adz
ah there's There's some... comments The comments are actually... No, no. I think there's actually a consensus with regards to the comments.

00:58:30.07
Russell Gibson
we can keep it.

00:58:32.79
Russell Gibson
Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely.

00:58:34.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:34.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think the consensus is?

00:58:36.39
Adz
um I don't... Do we...

00:58:38.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:38.40
Adz
The consensus is I don't... I think it's not appropriate practice.

00:58:40.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:43.30
Adz
Like having something up... And most of us agree, if you've got something up for sale and so and you sell it elsewhere, that's fine.

00:58:47.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:49.93
Adz
Take the sale thread down.

00:58:51.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so you can cross post things on multiple sites and also eBay too.

00:58:52.16
Adz
The biggest...

00:58:55.43
Russell Gibson
That like that actually is not ah a break of the rule.

00:58:56.28
Adz
Correct.

00:58:58.66
Russell Gibson
And that's probably something else i was I didn't get to, but I wanted to point out here. There's a difference between bad etiquette and a scam. And for me, this is not a scam, but this is also somebody that I that i wouldn't deal with again at.

00:59:06.47
Adz
Correct. Well,

00:59:11.02
Russell Gibson
And that's like the next thing I wanted to add.

00:59:11.95
Adz
oh, for sure, for sure.

00:59:13.10
Russell Gibson
I would just put this guy onto my block list and that's it. So, you know, that's the other thing too.

00:59:16.05
Adz
ah would block him.

00:59:16.77
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah, yeah.

00:59:18.49
Adz
i i the The thing I point out is it was a live auction with bids on it.

00:59:23.97
Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.

00:59:25.10
Adz
So there were 15 bids at the time that that that Anthony shared the the screenshot.

00:59:30.32
Russell Gibson
Mm hmm. Mm

00:59:32.11
Adz
So it it's not a case of,

00:59:38.19
Adz
it's not a case of, oh, it's a slow moving card. I'm just going to sell it elsewhere.

00:59:44.53
Russell Gibson
hmm.

00:59:45.04
Adz
Like the guy put a hefty price on it on the marketplace ad And it's it's currently sitting at 300, like 400 bucks.

00:59:57.02
Russell Gibson
yeah.

00:59:58.40
Adz
Like it's got bids on it. there It's not just, he's not negotiating with one or two people. There are multiple people bidding on this card. it's It's in a live auction.

01:00:09.23
Adz
People are effectively putting their hand up making bids. That's not fair. You don't put a card up for auction and then say it's for sale elsewhere. That's not even dealing in bad faith. That's just,

01:00:23.94
Adz
That's unethical. i'm I'm completely with... ah You shouldn't be able to sell it if it's on auction. If it's on the block, that's where the attention needs to be.

01:00:33.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Cause that's where the sale you would assume is going to come from.

01:00:38.61
Adz
Well, it's going to be sold there.

01:00:38.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:42.51
Russell Gibson
Unless he cancels it.

01:00:42.99
Adz
Do you know... But no, no, no, but by, do you know, what's the reason for cancelling Because he was offered, no, that's, and that shouldn't be the reason you pull it down.

01:00:44.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:48.77
Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.

01:00:51.93
Adz
You shouldn't be accepting offers.

01:00:52.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:53.25
Adz
You should be, sorry, it's up for auction here. Go and bid.

01:00:59.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:59.88
Adz
Because, and and that's the thing. So, all right, and I'm the exaggerated point. If I have a ah big ticket item and I give it to an auction house,

01:01:12.58
Adz
They're not giving me my card back to sell to somebody else mid-auction.

01:01:17.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I'm not too sure how that's managed, actually. If you can set a reserve on it.

01:01:20.02
Adz
If Golden are selling a Wemby and it's only up to $200,000 and I have a private buyer that's going to pay $3 million for it.

01:01:23.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:26.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:29.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:30.78
Adz
Hey, Ken, I'm taking the card down.

01:01:33.73
Russell Gibson
No, you sign a contract with them and then it's yeah it's it's done.

01:01:34.02
Adz
I bet you'll be correct.

01:01:37.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:37.62
Adz
And I'm sure there's something about the T's and C's that say that that's actually not appropriate practice. Surely.

01:01:45.68
Adz
think yeah I just think it's... I mean, it's too much messing around to to report and into all the to get the the the ethical outcome, but you can't.

01:01:58.78
Adz
Once it's up for bid, you can't you shouldn't be able to cancel an auction like that. I mean, you also can't have the auction go through if you haven't got the damn thing in hand, so it's a lose-lose.

01:02:05.95
Russell Gibson
No, it's...

01:02:10.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's damn annoying. Anyway, I hope, Anthony, you got the card or got something else and got it sorted out, mate.

01:02:12.47
Adz
But yeah, I wouldn't deal with... Yeah.

01:02:16.45
Adz
Yeah, i wouldn't I wouldn't deal with that person ever again. That would be my...

01:02:21.05
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:02:21.88
Adz
I would report them. I would i would i would name and shame.

01:02:25.85
Russell Gibson
Let's try and do two things quickly. we have not been We have not been quick tonight.

01:02:28.42
Adz
Ha! Good luck.

01:02:30.61
Russell Gibson
Let's see how we go. ah This is from Basketball Forever Breaking. The Philadelphia 76ers will attempt to trade Paul George if ah this offseason, according to Sam Amico.

01:02:41.47
Russell Gibson
What is the probability that Paul George is traded in the offseason, Adam?

01:02:47.51
Adz
Zero.

01:02:49.34
Russell Gibson
There is absolutely...

01:02:49.93
Adz
He's untradeable.

01:02:52.65
Russell Gibson
He has got $200 million dollars guaranteed. $49

01:02:57.44
Adz
Oh, actually, no. Would you trade? Alright.

01:03:01.43
Russell Gibson
million, $49 million, and then $49 million for the next three years after this season.

01:03:05.64
Adz
Oh, wait. Bradley Beal's got a no trade clause, hasn't he?

01:03:13.05
Adz
If i was Phoenix, i'd think about it.

01:03:14.43
Russell Gibson
i I don't think Daryl Morey would take Bradley Beal back. I think he values um defense too much. And Bradley Beal is a sieve in so many different ways.

01:03:23.59
Adz
It's true.

01:03:25.21
Russell Gibson
um

01:03:26.24
Adz
But that was like John Wall and Russell Westbrook getting traded. like they're just They're not assets that anyone's going to want.

01:03:29.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's possible to trade people. Yeah.

01:03:33.43
Adz
It's possible. You find a way. If you're Nico Harrison and you really want to get rid of your 10-year superstar, just call the Lakers.

01:03:35.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:45.54
Russell Gibson
Unbelievable. Alrighty. ah Okay, this is this one's for me.

01:03:49.53
Adz
And the second one.

01:03:50.11
Russell Gibson
tim Tim Duncan 1997 EX Jambalaya PSA 7 Pop 5.

01:03:56.13
Adz
Oh,

01:03:57.65
Russell Gibson
Sold for $3,000. Go, Tim Duncan, go.

01:04:00.72
Adz
that's a beautiful

01:04:03.86
Russell Gibson
yeah so this is the 1997 version of a Kaboom. Or this is the 1997 version of a Timeless Moment. You know, these cards are just highly collectible.

01:04:16.17
Russell Gibson
I'm not

01:04:16.30
Adz
Yeah. Skybox EX, that was just, yeah.

01:04:19.84
Russell Gibson
going to lie to you. These cards don't really blow my hair back. I like it that they're collectible and and all that type of stuff. But the reason why I wanted to talk about this, it's more because it's Tim Duncan.

01:04:27.43
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:29.58
Russell Gibson
I love the Tim Duncan factor on that.

01:04:30.47
Adz
Timmy D. The big fundamental.

01:04:33.81
Russell Gibson
um we might even be able to get one more through. Alrighty, Moses Moody. This is a good one. I wanted to talk to you about this. Moses Moody. This is from at Mr. Hack.

01:04:44.55
Russell Gibson
Moses Moody went from a fringe rotational player for the Warriors to now a key cog in their machine as they make a playoff push. Here's a deep dive into his development. We are not going to deep dive into his development.

01:04:54.74
Russell Gibson
We are going to talk about his card value off 130 point because he is not on card letter.

01:05:02.13
Adz
I was going to say because he's probably not on the... um Yeah.

01:05:06.50
Russell Gibson
He is most definitely not. Alrighty, what do we got here? 21-22 Immaculate Moses Moody RPA to 99, sold for 90 USD. There's really not much at all on here for him.

01:05:19.13
Adz
Just bugger all.

01:05:21.19
Russell Gibson
We've got a Pink Pulsar, number to 42, but that is not a rookie one, so that's a bit of a tough one to comp out. That's sold for $5. We've got Panini Prism Draft Pig Stained Glassed.

01:05:34.65
Russell Gibson
That's not and NBA though. That is a college one and that sold for 78 USD. Look, I think Moses Moody is a really interesting one because i would actually put him down to the situation of he was in a really bad situation for him.

01:05:50.44
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:50.73
Russell Gibson
based on his development, just because he was behind, you know, some really, really, really significant vets with Steph Curry and Clay.

01:05:54.88
Adz
ah Yeah, yeah.

01:05:56.97
Russell Gibson
Like that's almost impossible to get some time behind these two guys.

01:05:58.70
Adz
Mm.

01:06:01.18
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. On eBay, i found heaps more. So the silver prism signature for $8.49, contender's autograph five, $822. That is madness. That is insane. $822 of... eight hundred and twenty two dollars that is madness

01:06:12.83
Adz
Sold felt.

01:06:12.90
Russell Gibson
that is insane eight hundred and twenty two ah

01:06:14.92
Adz
Sold listing.

01:06:16.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, ah this is a Moses Moody Optic number to 10 for 81.

01:06:17.20
Adz
Fuck.

01:06:23.03
Russell Gibson
A Spectra Astral that sold for 750. That's not rookie here though. So some of this stuff is going pretty cheap. So that's the um the Prism variant. So that's the horizontal one for 325.

01:06:33.68
Adz
Mmm.

01:06:36.53
Adz
Yep.

01:06:37.35
Russell Gibson
Okay, there's a couple of rookies here. So one's a silver, and one's a red, white and blue for $4.89. Look, I think if you're waiting for a larger sample size of data,

01:06:48.48
Adz
ah You're probably not going to get

01:06:50.23
Russell Gibson
No, I was going to say, i think, you know, he's he's becoming a good player now and also he's on a good team. And I think that for me means more.

01:06:59.40
Adz
it. More exposure or?

01:06:59.53
Russell Gibson
You know, well, i i think what I'm trying to say is if you're a a good player and a bad team, I think that's pretty easy to do. If you're a good player and a good team, like that in my head means a lot more.

01:07:10.78
Russell Gibson
And so if Moody is now, and we think that the Warriors are going to go deep in the playoffs.

01:07:12.31
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:15.90
Russell Gibson
We were sort of talking about this at dinner the other night.

01:07:18.55
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:19.04
Russell Gibson
now that the Warriors have got Jimmy Butler.

01:07:20.15
Adz
They're making a push.

01:07:23.38
Russell Gibson
you know So if he's got silver selling for $2, the other one here is a red number to 299.

01:07:26.77
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:30.14
Russell Gibson
That sold for 20 bucks. Oh, that's a fantastic buy, whoever did that. Because some of this stuff is super high.

01:07:33.86
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:35.43
Russell Gibson
So this one here, the neon green fast brack four out of five, that sold for $600.

01:07:36.28
Adz
Sure.

01:07:40.38
Russell Gibson
I feel like that's...

01:07:41.08
Adz
Really.

01:07:42.28
Russell Gibson
like it's sort of It's either up here or it's all the way down here with this guy. it's it's very There's no real in-between for this kid, is there?

01:07:50.72
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm putting Moody down as a buy.

01:07:51.45
Adz
No, yeah, there's no...

01:07:54.30
Russell Gibson
Honestly, this is um this is kind of exciting. I think this is sort of the opportunity window for me where he's playing well, he's on a good team and his prices are low. This is all just like tick, tick, tick for me.

01:08:06.21
Adz
Yeah, I agree.

01:08:06.61
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:08:08.09
Adz
Positive.

01:08:08.54
Russell Gibson
All right. Final thoughts, Ad, what do you got for us, buddy?

01:08:11.64
Adz
Final thoughts. um I had a great time and at the trade day today. That was my final thought.

01:08:15.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:16.61
Adz
It's been, it's lovely to see the community side of the hobby um thriving.

01:08:17.08
Russell Gibson
It was fantastic.

01:08:22.54
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:08:24.68
Adz
And, and it's good to be involved with people like fast break trading cards. John and Alvaro are amazing people.

01:08:29.82
Russell Gibson
It's an honor.

01:08:32.56
Adz
And,

01:08:33.32
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:08:34.43
Adz
And yeah, it's very humbling to be to be to be ah welcomed so so much from them. And they've been great, great sponsors. But what they the show they put on for the kids today was amazing.

01:08:45.90
Adz
It was great.

01:08:46.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:46.89
Adz
We went grabbed a snag and a can of drink and talked about cards.

01:08:47.04
Russell Gibson
Dominate it.

01:08:51.72
Adz
And was great. it was There's just, it there aren't words. It's just, this is what, this is where the hobby begins. um for for a lot There'll be kids there today that this is their first hobby experience.

01:09:05.47
Russell Gibson
And they'll remember that day, 100%. I could not agree with you more.

01:09:07.68
Adz
Definitely. ye

01:09:08.64
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:09:08.84
Adz
ye so yeah Props to you guys. That was awesome.

01:09:13.72
Russell Gibson
Thanks, everyone.

01:09:14.17
Adz
Alright.

01:09:14.36
Russell Gibson
Thanks, Central Coast Radio. We will see you next week.

01:09:17.81
Adz
See you next week, everyone.