Episode 199: Timeless Moments How to Conduct a Trade – Strategies, Tactics & Pitfalls

Episode Title: How to Conduct a Trade – Strategies, Tactics & Pitfalls

Trading cards isn’t just about swapping one for another—it’s an art. In this episode, we break down the strategies and tactics every collector should know when making a deal.

We cover:
 ✅ Managing emotional attachments to cards
 ✅ Building a solid trade box
 ✅ Using comps to find fair value
 ✅ Factoring in auction house prices
 ✅ And much more!

Whether you’re a seasoned trader or just starting out, this episode will help you level up your trading game.

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00:00.44
Russell Gibson
Sounds good.

00:01.30
Adz
Cool.

00:07.17
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 199 of the You Can't Comp, this NBA trading card podcast, where your host, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson, back with another timeless moment of

00:12.41
Russell Gibson
So close.

00:22.87
Adz
And today we are going to really wind back after our um trade day at Fastbreak trading cards.

00:32.96
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:33.05
Adz
We're gonna really simplify it this week. It's, let's talk about conducting a trade. Something easy or something simple.

00:39.58
Russell Gibson
Great.

00:41.68
Adz
Something that appears to be simple. How's that?

00:44.60
Russell Gibson
Well, in theory, it's simple, isn't it?

00:46.44
Adz
Yeah, I want a card.

00:47.27
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:47.96
Adz
They have cards.

00:48.87
Russell Gibson
That's right.

00:50.21
Adz
We should trade those cards.

00:51.79
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:53.98
Adz
It doesn't always work that way though, I feel.

00:59.69
Adz
Yeah.

01:01.08
Russell Gibson
I will let you kick this one off, man.

01:03.22
Adz
um yeah

01:03.25
Russell Gibson
I think you're far more passionate about this than I am.

01:06.34
Adz
Oh, look, um it's it's funny because I'm i'm um'm not a trader myself. i I struggle in the trading space and and and maybe i've I've selfishly put this on the timeless moments run sheet for my own benefit.

01:21.73
Adz
But I do, I turn up to trade days, i go to I go to card shows and I try and have my little box of of trades and things that I'm prepared to part with in the in the hope that somebody...

01:33.64
Adz
ah wants to to sort of get a deal done. And um yeah, I'm sort of, I struggle and I don't know about the the listeners out there, but but I struggle with the, I want something that somebody else has, but what happens when i have nothing they want?

01:36.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:53.83
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:54.14
Adz
um For me, it's it's a just deal with it and offer the money for it ah generally. but But what happens when you you're sort of you're not in the same space? what How do you find it? you You do a lot of trades from what I've seen.

02:09.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I think...

02:12.12
Russell Gibson
I think you can approach trades in many different ways. So I think the best way and the way that I enjoy approaching trades is that I basically have a dedicated trade box.

02:23.11
Russell Gibson
So what i mean by that is they're all cards that I've picked up basically for the the sole purpose of trading them. And my sort of goal is, um you might've seen those sort of videos online where people are doing like the trade up trade. Well, basically,

02:39.94
Russell Gibson
That's my sort of whole idea is that, you know, I've got a $10 card and I trade it with something else to get a $20 card or I trade a $10 card with $10 of cash.

02:46.80
Adz
Yep.

02:49.14
Russell Gibson
Now I've got a $20 card. And that's my sort of, my whole idea to keep rolling it up until eventually it's something, it's good.

02:50.91
Adz
Okay.

02:56.20
Russell Gibson
And then I want to put it into my collection and then, then the sort of the process begins again. So that's the way that I approach it. And I think the reason why I do that, it's very deliberate because I think, in my opinion, part of the problem of trading cards is sometimes you have an emotional attachment to the card and then you have too much sentimental value attached to that card and then you'll often be

03:12.64
Adz
Okay.

03:19.90
Russell Gibson
over emotional about the card and or attached to higher value to what the card is worth. So I think that's a really like big barrier for me to sort of step through and and make it just really simplified.

03:25.15
Adz
Interesting.

03:29.46
Adz
Hmm.

03:30.56
Russell Gibson
So it's like, here are the cards I've got.

03:31.03
Adz
Yep.

03:33.28
Russell Gibson
Do you want these cards? Yes or no? No, you don't. Okay, great. And then you sort of just move on. And so just to sort of tease that out a little bit more too, I think,

03:37.76
Adz
Hmm.

03:42.51
Russell Gibson
because it is so difficult to trade cards with people, you know, sometimes I think you have to sort of go in with expectation of just let somebody have a look at your cards, let them enjoy the experience of flicking through your cards.

03:51.43
Adz
Yeah.

03:53.44
Russell Gibson
There might be something in there that they want.

03:55.67
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

03:56.94
Russell Gibson
And so then you can do that because otherwise, not that, you know, you're going to take it personal, but, you know, there might be that sort of element of, oh, you know, why don't you want my cards?

03:57.04
Adz
Okay.

04:04.26
Russell Gibson
Or, you know, it's just it's just really hard to do that. And I think if you're comparing that to, say, eBay, where you might get a few hundred people looking at your card before someone purchases it or bids on it or whatever.

04:07.93
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

04:16.54
Russell Gibson
So if you've only got, say, five or six people, you know, flicking through your box, like it's sort of unreasonable to think, someone's going to want that card sort of, you know, straight away. So that's something else that I'd like to comment on.

04:25.92
Adz
Interesting one. Yeah. Yeah. that That's different for like from, from my side, I, I struggle to start the process because I look at other people's stuff and there's stuff I don't want.

04:39.83
Adz
Um, but I guess from your situation, it's more of a just trying to get the next something, something above what the current card you value that card out.

04:48.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah, because like real, so just say you've got a list of cards that you want and there's 10 cards.

04:49.56
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

04:54.02
Russell Gibson
And again, like what's the chance you're going to find one of those 10 cards in someone's box? And that's the other thing too. Like, I think you have to be super, in my opinion, you have to be super flexible about, you know, picking up trades and sort of, I'm not saying pick up stuff that you don't want, but yeah.

05:00.17
Adz
Yeah,

05:08.81
Russell Gibson
you know pick up stuff that maybe you wouldn't put into your PC. And the main idea of picking that up is to trade it on in the future. I think as long as you're getting you know ah good price or a good trade value for it, you know it makes it easy to move that on into the future.

05:22.97
Russell Gibson
So you know maybe a classic example of that is ah I purchased a LeBron James so base PSA 10 on the weekend.

05:23.90
Adz
okay

05:31.73
Russell Gibson
And I can tell you where that's going. That's going straight into my trade box. You know, that's not something I particular particularly want in that, but I can almost guarantee you someone will come along and be like, oh, a LeBron 10.

05:35.49
Adz
Of course. Yep.

05:42.33
Russell Gibson
Great. You know, would you be interested in a trade for that? And I feel like that's the type of thing that we, you know, would do really well for trade.

05:45.33
Adz
Yeah.

05:49.17
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

05:49.94
Adz
Okay, okay. Because that was going my thing. mike and And this is the amateur version, I guess, coming out of me. I've got on my target list of things that I want to trade for, um I've got my PC, obviously.

06:04.96
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah yeah

06:05.26
Adz
I've got i've got the players that I collect. So a nice piece, um Kobe, Scotty Pippen, like Julius Randle. Then I've got the notables, obviously the big players like Yaluca, Steph,

06:20.71
Adz
Ja Morant, the the LeBron, Jordan.

06:24.04
Russell Gibson
yeah

06:25.04
Adz
You see a nice Jordan, you go, yeah, cool. Can we get a deal on that?

06:28.27
Russell Gibson
yeah

06:28.77
Adz
And it's not, my appetite gets somewhat lessened. And then I suppose the third part is something that you, yeah, see, that could be tradable.

06:39.52
Russell Gibson
yeah

06:40.46
Adz
Okay, okay.

06:41.47
Russell Gibson
And so i think to add on to that and sort of take that one more step forward, I think the other thing that people covered is on-card autographs and then game-worn patches.

06:47.96
Adz
Hmm. Interesting.

06:51.68
Russell Gibson
So I think that's something else you can sort of target and make a little bit of strategy out of. and so And that's probably something I picked up off of guys who are, if you want to call them card flippers or you know repack makers, that's something that as they're building up their repacks, that's how they sort of target and that's how they look at things to

07:03.38
Adz
Yeah.

07:08.61
Adz
Yeah.

07:09.44
Russell Gibson
put things into their products. so I think that's something that's another really good way to look at building up your trade box and stuff like that too.

07:11.11
Adz
Totally.

07:13.70
Adz
Okay.

07:16.05
Russell Gibson
So,

07:16.25
Adz
Yeah. and Okay. And, and on the flip side, so I think um you've made some great points about what to look for when you're engaging in a, in a trade, when you're building that, that box, what, what would you recommend to people?

07:33.79
Adz
Cause I just jam anything. I think that a, that I'm not wanting to keep, but people that I think might want, but I, I have a variety of, of ah values and,

07:38.66
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

07:43.95
Adz
And when I go to a trade date, like it's different if I go to the Hobby Hangout for argument's sake, like a big trade show versus ah the local card store.

07:48.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

07:51.84
Adz
Because if a local card store, I bring a lot of lower end stuff for the kids in case there's a kid there that collects, don't know, that collects Steph Curry. So I can always reach into the box and I've got a like a $5 Steph that I could just go, here you Like, here's something to get your collection started if you you don't have cards.

08:05.88
Russell Gibson
yeah

08:10.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I've got cards in there that I think are you know really nice. So for example, i think maybe the biggest card I've got on my trader box is a Dame Lillard on card autograph, which I think is a very nice card, but I am not emotionally attached to that card.

08:20.20
Adz
Nice. Mm-hmm.

08:24.71
Russell Gibson
So I personally think I'm better off trading that, selling that you know at the right price to the right person.

08:25.78
Adz
Yep.

08:32.15
Russell Gibson
for something that actually probably fit into my collection better or something with a little bit more higher value that I could, you know, roll or flip onto something else.

08:32.22
Adz
Mm-hmm.

08:35.76
Adz
Okay.

08:39.41
Russell Gibson
So that's, I sort of look at it like that.

08:39.42
Adz
Roll it, yeah.

08:41.59
Russell Gibson
So it's sort of stuff that I'm not emotionally attached to. Silver PSA 10 rookie cards, I think are always, you know, really good. You might pick them up cheaply off eBay.

08:50.84
Adz
Okay.

08:50.99
Russell Gibson
You know, you might've got them off, you know, a different thing. um The other thing that I think that I was doing for a while, and I have to admit, I haven't done this for a little, it's been a minute, but just going into eBay and picking up cheap vertical NT RPAs, number to 99.

09:05.97
Russell Gibson
I think you'd be really surprised sometimes how cheaply you can pick up some of those.

09:06.38
Adz
Really?

09:10.48
Russell Gibson
And you never know when someone's like, oh, I'm a Cavs collector, I'm a Bulls collector, and they'll want that particular you know RPA.

09:16.13
Adz
Okay.

09:16.74
Russell Gibson
And so that's a nice little trading piece because again, you can sort of pick them up for say, let's just say,

09:17.47
Adz
Yeah.

09:23.13
Russell Gibson
plus or minus 50 bucks. So you're looking at sort of 40 to $60, but actually, you know, in hand it's now, I think that's the other thing too, about trades. All the cards are going to be in hand and looking at a vertical NT RPA in your hand.

09:35.56
Russell Gibson
Like it's a really nice little piece to, to feast your eyes on.

09:37.32
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

09:39.33
Russell Gibson
So I think that makes it easier to trade with guys too. So, yeah.

09:42.81
Adz
Yeah, and look, I think high graded anything like PSA 10 draws attention, right? Like it's it's it's a it's got that brand recognition um with the PSA 10.

09:49.13
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

09:53.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

09:55.59
Adz
PSA 10. So if if it's a card that someone's after, it's in the highest grade it could possibly be, which is which is great.

09:58.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

10:01.17
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. and you've you've raised the emotional attachment. I like that. I like the idea of your trade box being stuff that you're not attached to.

10:10.46
Russell Gibson
yeah

10:11.64
Adz
but that's, yeah, I think that should be the thing that emotional attachment creates some difficulties with with the pricing side of things and the valuing.

10:20.30
Russell Gibson
yeah

10:21.79
Adz
Yeah, for sure. I like that a lot.

10:24.38
Russell Gibson
I think one thing that I was maybe a bit anxious about or, you know, i was worried about was maybe people going to be rude, you know, declining my cars or, you know, I've never had that experience. I would say,

10:33.79
Adz
Hmm.

10:35.73
Russell Gibson
99.99% of people are like actually ultra polite and they'll, you know, go out of their way to sort of say those little, you know, niceties, oh, you've got a nice collection.

10:37.45
Adz
Yep. Wow.

10:43.52
Russell Gibson
Oh, you've got a nice box or, you know, whatever. But really what they're saying is I don't want any of your trash. Right. And so i think that's kind of ah like a really cool, you know, thing about our community.

10:48.65
Adz
Yeah.

10:52.83
Russell Gibson
So I think that's really good.

10:53.47
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

10:54.82
Russell Gibson
ah probably think, Maybe the it's not the last thing i'm going to say, but one thing I think I should have added in a little bit earlier too. i think this is one of the really good ways to keep involved in the hobby when you're on on an ultra budget.

11:08.37
Russell Gibson
Because if you've been collecting for two or three years, you must have...

11:08.41
Adz
Okay.

11:13.07
Russell Gibson
at least 10 cards that you'd be very happy just to move along. And I think that's the perfect thing to, you know, go to it go to the Hobby Hangout XL, go to CollectFest, you know, whatever.

11:16.75
Adz
Yeah.

11:24.77
Russell Gibson
Take them to the table, see if you can get some cash for them.

11:24.92
Adz
Yeah.

11:27.01
Russell Gibson
Okay, no, you can't get some cash for them.

11:29.37
Adz
Trades.

11:29.97
Russell Gibson
let's go and do some trades with people. And then maybe you've sold one or two at the tables. Now you've got cash and trade in and that makes things so much easier to, you know, to move forward. Cause I think that's what really motivates me. I think sometimes to, um to do trades with people is because I've got so many cards sitting around. I need to do something with them, you know, move them on And I just think trading them is so much more fun than like, there's nothing wrong with selling cards.

11:52.55
Adz
ah

11:56.00
Russell Gibson
Like, don't get me wrong. I love getting a sale, but yeah,

11:58.55
Adz
That's, that's fine. Yeah. But but I think, yeah.

11:59.72
Russell Gibson
I think the trades are good to do too. So yeah.

12:03.03
Adz
So you would you, and and this is more of a, to, to sort of get to the end and wrap things up a little bit, but preparing for your first trade box, um is there a minimum? Is there a maximum?

12:13.46
Adz
What, what do you think?

12:14.14
Russell Gibson
No, no minimum, no maximum, but I do think that the sort of the middle to high stuff goes a little bit easier.

12:14.22
Adz
You think there's a, yeah.

12:21.39
Adz
Okay.

12:21.48
Russell Gibson
Whereas, you know, low end stuff, I think most people have sort of got the feeling that, um, you know yeah, that's right.

12:27.66
Adz
um Diamond Dozen kind of.

12:29.29
Russell Gibson
You can get them sort of anywhere.

12:29.50
Adz
yeah.

12:30.73
Russell Gibson
And then it might be more something that you would throw in as a trade with somebody, as opposed to like, you know, building a trade out of a low end card.

12:31.24
Adz
Okay.

12:35.93
Adz
okay

12:40.00
Adz
Yeah, I like that.

12:40.72
Russell Gibson
Whereas.

12:41.48
Adz
um

12:41.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:42.21
Adz
Yeah, that that makes sense to me. Like, when I'm mentally trying to build a trade box at the moment, I'm like, yeah, cool. All right. So my next trade box is going have predominantly graded stuff, um stuff in one touches that is if it hasn't been graded, because it'll be of ah of a relatively high end.

12:52.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:55.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:58.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:59.20
Adz
I don't think there'll be any not i wouldn't a High and low end is bit tough one, but like no $2 cards. it'll be It'd be like, okay, stuff that's going to be value so I can trade for something of value.

13:10.15
Russell Gibson
yeah

13:10.79
Adz
um Because that was one of the other things. like I look in boxes, i'm like, oh, that's a good card, but I've got nothing of value to trade for it. So I guess I need to up my trade box if I want to engage with those people.

13:18.36
Russell Gibson
yeah

13:21.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah, i think I think that's also part of the fun too.

13:22.52
Adz
Yeah.

13:25.13
Russell Gibson
It's like, okay, you might not have the trade assets now, but you can sort of keep working on that box and do these small trades here or there, you know, two for one or, you know, whatever it is to get it done.

13:28.47
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

13:33.82
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

13:34.88
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, I really enjoy doing that.

13:35.94
Adz
Yeah.

13:38.09
Russell Gibson
I think that's sort of like part of it. And and yeah that's the other thing too.

13:40.45
Adz
Yeah.

13:42.32
Russell Gibson
You don't really know what is going to be the final card in all of this too. So that's... you know i I really enjoy that part.

13:46.77
Adz
Yeah. yeah

13:48.60
Russell Gibson
I think we should talk about comping for two seconds too, because i think I think while that you need to have a bit of leeway when you're doing trades with people, I think you do need to have a ballpark idea of you know what your cards are worth.

13:59.53
Adz
Of course. Of course. Yep.

14:03.06
Russell Gibson
And I'm probably going to tie this in into what I saw on the weekend. So i saw... I would say I saw some pretty seasoned collectors doing some negotiating on the weekend.

14:13.18
Adz
Yep.

14:14.77
Russell Gibson
And what I was observing and it's some of the words that i was hearing sort of circulating round was that the card is actually worth, um, not what the comp is. You need to also factor in what the auction house fees were. So for example,

14:32.84
Russell Gibson
If an auction house is charging 17%, you need to deduct that off what the card is, the face value of the comp. so to get the card's true value.

14:41.30
Adz
Yeah, i like I like that idea.

14:42.30
Russell Gibson
Yep.

14:43.50
Adz
I do think that that in general, if you're trading, there's got to be flexibility.

14:47.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well, what I was actually just going to get to then was that maybe that's what your flex is. So you're like, if it's a hundred dollar card and you've got your heart set on that, but actually you need to flex somewhere between 80 and a hundred dollars to actually, you know, get a trade done.

15:04.05
Adz
Yeah.

15:04.41
Russell Gibson
And that's maybe like a new idea to my head that, you know, i probably need to like, you know, get my head around or so like you incorporate into like the way I'm, you know, dealing with cards. So

15:14.15
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Comp puts you into a ballpark. I think the negotiating starts there. um Yeah, that's a really good point. um

15:22.13
Russell Gibson
bit But like my point is, though, even if you're like doing 10% less than comms, you're still 10% ahead if you're going to an auction house.

15:30.44
Adz
Sure, but you're both, you yeah, but the the other thing is the person on the other end can't go 10% of comps on yours and then over comps on theirs.

15:31.07
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? Yeah.

15:38.21
Adz
Like you've got to be, you've got to have a meeting point and a level ground.

15:39.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Unless it's a Damien Lillard autograph.

15:43.43
Adz
Of course, of course.

15:44.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

15:44.85
Adz
But yeah, I mean, I guess my final thought is don't be too obsessive about what the actual card you're trading for. The experience itself about about interacting with people and seeing what they've got.

15:54.42
Russell Gibson
Okay.

15:58.79
Adz
And I did like your don't get emotionally attached to the card, but don't be emotionally up offended by the person if they don't want to get rid of it.

16:06.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I would, yeah.

16:08.78
Adz
It's their card. It's part of the, it's all part of the storytelling.

16:10.55
Russell Gibson
So I would comment to that though. I would say, don't stress about that. Cause I feel like people go out of their way to make you feel, you know, relaxed and cool about, you know, not wanting your card.

16:13.96
Adz
Yeah. No. Correct.

16:18.31
Russell Gibson
So that I would say that's kind of been a very pleasant, you know, one for me.

16:21.22
Adz
Yeah.

16:21.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

16:22.22
Adz
Yeah. Good. And and but don't be, but don't be afraid to to say no if you're not comfortable with the trade, um but be flexible. That would be my, my, my closing thought.

16:31.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

16:31.72
Adz
um Yeah. Let's, let's get around to tying this off. What are your final thoughts on, on trading?

16:36.35
Russell Gibson
No, I think I've said everything I wanted to say and yeah, thanks heaps, mate.

16:39.58
Adz
Awesome.

16:39.92
Russell Gibson
That was fantastic.

16:40.89
Adz
Now, this is a lot of fun.

16:41.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

16:41.71
Adz
ah We hope that everybody gets a little bit out of this, that, that, that you, don't know, help craft a trade box, get out there trading at your local, your local games, your local hobby store or at a trade show, maybe.

16:57.95
Adz
Um, But yeah, if if you're in Melbourne at one of the the big ones there, I'm sure we'll see you there.

17:04.06
Russell Gibson
That's it.

17:04.08
Adz
If you had any other trade tips, put them below in the comments on the YouTube. And um once again, thanks, Russell. And thanks, everybody, for for joining us for another Timeless Moment.

17:15.27
Russell Gibson
My pleasure, mate. See you guys. Not

17:20.59
Adz
17 minutes.

17:21.57
Russell Gibson
bad. All right. You want to roll into another one?

17:25.29
Adz
Easy. Do you want me to call it 201 or just

17:25.93
Russell Gibson
Yep.

17:28.58
Adz
Just start with another timeless moment so it's in the pocket.

17:30.59
Russell Gibson
Um, yeah, it'll probably be 201 because 200 is going to be this week.

17:34.84
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. So Sunday, yeah, Sunday's 200 and then we'll put this one in the back pocket.

17:37.68
Russell Gibson
Um, what do you want to do for 200?

17:42.03
Adz
Tonight.

17:42.94
Russell Gibson
I think we should do something pretty chilled or like some type of reflection.

17:43.29
Adz
Mailbag.

17:46.40
Adz
Yeah.

17:48.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

17:49.22
Adz
Yeah.

17:51.70
Adz
Yeah.

17:51.80
Russell Gibson
I was actually thinking we do a hundred comps and we call the episode.

17:52.15
Adz
I think 100 comps.

17:56.06
Russell Gibson
You can comp this.

17:58.90
Adz
100 comps.

17:59.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

18:00.82
Adz
Got anything major news-wise? Not really.

18:06.30
Adz
Could be our favourite topics from the past 200 episodes.

18:12.84
Russell Gibson
Because what I was thinking was we could um like do a list of the old time players and do like a Kareem card, a Jordan card, a Wilt card, and you know.

18:28.05
Adz
Okay. Do we want to go through the, like the NBA 75 or do we want to do a top X?

18:36.89
Russell Gibson
Just like however many comps we could do in an hour, basically. Hmm.

18:41.52
Adz
Yeah, can just do the ah top. Like go from one down

18:47.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

18:49.17
Adz
um just pick a card.

18:50.21
Russell Gibson
And I think that would be good too, because I think sometimes we get so caught up talking about like prospects and stuff like that. Actually, let's go, hey, like these are some of the biggest cards, you know, of all time.

19:00.21
Adz
Well, it's interesting to go through the top players in NBA history and where their cards sit.

19:08.36
Adz
I mean, we could go for the most valuable card of all of them, but that would be it.

19:12.56
Russell Gibson
Just do, I mean we can do whatever the hell we want, right?

19:15.22
Adz
Yeah.

19:16.78
Russell Gibson
But yeah, do you know what i mean? Like just sort of do it like that.

19:18.89
Adz
Yeah.

19:19.70
Russell Gibson
Because um just do something completely different. I mean, that's what that would be what I would want to do what would What would you want to do

19:26.68
Adz
I like that idea. I like, I like, well, if we're four, if we do, cause we normally do four, se four portions.

19:27.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

19:34.39
Russell Gibson
I was just going to, I just want to talk about cards the whole time. Because I feel like we haven't really um done this for a very long time.

19:46.64
Adz
What, oh, generationally, I was gonna, i was gonna say top 10 from each era.

19:48.90
Russell Gibson
So what we could do,

19:54.18
Russell Gibson
what we could do it's actually would be really easy. um Just go to card ladder, go to indexes, basketball cards, um sorted by value, and then just go through that.

20:06.02
Adz
Mm-hmm.

20:08.53
Adz
Okay.

20:10.26
Russell Gibson
The only the problem is um there's a lot of the same players in there.

20:18.33
Adz
Yeah, that's...

20:19.24
Russell Gibson
And so what I think we'd have to do to combat that is, I'm just seeing how far down this is going, but this is just going to infinity from what I can see.

20:23.62
Adz
Can you sort it...

20:28.29
Adz
Yeah, hang on.

20:28.93
Russell Gibson
um Just keep going down and then we just have to mark off on a spreadsheet. Well, I would have to because my memory is not very good. but like So the top one's joe ah LeBron.

20:40.49
Russell Gibson
The next one is George Mike and the next one's Jordan. um The next one is LeBron. So for example, we wouldn't talk about the LeBron Exquisite Collection. We just go on to the Luka National Treasures.

20:53.83
Russell Gibson
ah The next one's Kareem. So Jordan, we're done. The next one's SGA. Do you know what i mean? Like we just do it like that.

21:00.59
Adz
yay yeah.

21:01.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And actually that will be, that will take very little preparation from us. Um, I reckon you would be able to do this on the video really easy too.

21:12.29
Russell Gibson
Cause you just click on that, the list and that would just come up.

21:13.08
Adz
Oh, i do what do you want to do do you want to do player? Go into players, filter, filter by basketball in card ladder.

21:23.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

21:26.05
Adz
Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Luka Doncic, Victor Wimbenjana, LeBron James, SGA, LaMelo, Cade, Zion, Magic, Shaq.

21:32.93
Russell Gibson
But what have you got it um sorted by?

21:37.16
Adz
ah What then but the total market cap is for that player.

21:39.56
Russell Gibson
Total market cap. Yeah.

21:43.05
Adz
I think is what it's based on. Oh, 24 hour volume. Okay.

21:46.59
Russell Gibson
No, you can change it to total market cap.

21:46.73
Adz
Total market. You can, yeah, a total market cap.

21:48.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

21:50.00
Adz
So Jordan, LBJ, Kobe, Steph, Luca, Magic, Kareem.

21:50.14
Russell Gibson
So,

21:55.57
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah. So this is the same thing. It's just a different thing. Yeah. So I think actually doing it via indexes is better. And the reason I say that is because if you go indexes, basketball, then cards, um sorted by value, when you click on that card, it splits your screen and puts it there.

22:06.74
Adz
Okay.

22:12.12
Russell Gibson
So then, because you're doing the video, right? So then when we finish talking about LeBron, you just go to George Mikan and you don't need to click up a new screen.

22:19.10
Adz
Yeah.

22:20.86
Russell Gibson
It just goes to the next card. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense?

22:23.90
Adz
Okay, because

22:24.49
Russell Gibson
So I think for, I think for you, that will be really easy just to, cause otherwise on the other list, you have to keep going backwards and forwards.

22:32.37
Adz
Okay, because I'm like, and you it do it in a tab, but the list actually gives me the results, the number of unique cards they've got on card ladder, the total market cap. So Jordan's at $887 million. dollars And if I, if I click on Jordan, ah get the index data with sales volume and I can go into particular cards, which is funnily enough, all the star and rookie, but I can, what can I filter?

22:51.22
Russell Gibson
Okay.

22:54.71
Russell Gibson
All right, sure. Let's do that.

23:00.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, okay, let's do that.

23:02.65
Adz
Cause you can filter it all by other stuff as well. Uh, minimum value, maximum value, year condition.

23:11.53
Russell Gibson
Holy shit. ah Cade has skyrocketed with his market cap. um Not Cade, SGA.

23:17.13
Adz
People are getting on board. SGA.

23:19.07
Russell Gibson
Holy moly.

23:24.30
Adz
There we go. Oh, that changes Jordan cards because you can just sort it PSA 10s.

23:32.56
Russell Gibson
So tell me what you've done so I know.

23:35.34
Adz
I can't share a screen on this, can I?

23:37.27
Russell Gibson
That's right. just So you've gone to players.

23:38.59
Adz
So i've gone in I've gone into players.

23:40.97
Russell Gibson
Then you've clicked on Jordan. and Then you clicked on cards.

23:43.68
Adz
and i've And I've clicked on Jordan and then I've gone to cards and then I've, in the search box, I've clicked the filter and in the conditions, And 278 results starting with the 86 Fleer.

23:45.37
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

23:58.02
Russell Gibson
Okay.

24:06.90
Adz
And then you've got the 86 Fleer sticker, 87 Fleer, Nike, 85. eighty seven flaed nike

24:11.55
Russell Gibson
PSA 10 gem mint.

24:11.70
Adz
e

24:12.91
Russell Gibson
All right. Yep.

24:15.83
Russell Gibson
So that, so for me, that then puts the skybox molten metal at number one.

24:16.15
Adz
Scoring Kings.

24:22.75
Adz
Does it? What do you sort it by? Oh, I've sorted mine by Market Cap.

24:25.93
Russell Gibson
I sort of mine by value.

24:30.39
Adz
Skybox Molten Metal, number one.

24:32.07
Russell Gibson
Okay.

24:34.20
Adz
Fleer Tradition, number two.

24:36.76
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

24:37.66
Adz
Playmakers Theatre to 100.

24:41.74
Russell Gibson
That's super weird to me. So the, like the top three there and not, well, the top two aren't rookie cards and then the top three aren't autographs. Top four.

24:53.51
Adz
But Jordan's auto was not...

25:00.07
Adz
But that's in PSA 10.

25:03.90
Adz
Autographs don't get great at PSA 10.

25:05.86
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

25:08.25
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, there's one there, but it's fifth on the list. You know what i mean? like that's That's interesting.

25:11.11
Adz
but But it's what I mean. Like, yeah.

25:12.21
Russell Gibson
that Jambalaya is not even as high as some of that Skybox stuff.

25:16.40
Adz
Chambalea last saw for hundred and twenty three k

25:19.04
Russell Gibson
All right. Yeah, look, i' I'm pretty easy, to be honest. so I'm happy to do what you're proposing. That is fine for me. i think that sounds...

25:25.45
Adz
I just think that gives us a different lot of cards because then you can, because I can see the list of players and we go like, and that's, yeah.

25:31.17
Russell Gibson
Well, I think already that's given us a different bunch of cards to talk about that we, because I think we would have just defaulted to the 86 Fleer.

25:39.36
Adz
yeah yeah, that's exactly right.

25:40.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:40.76
Adz
And I think digging into card ladder to look at the list differently, and it's interesting looking at the list, that it's, it's,

25:42.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:44.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:55.50
Adz
Save the date. of The Hobby Hangout is coming to the Royal Exhibition Building for the Hobby Hangout XL.

26:06.40
Adz
This will be in Melbourne on Sunday, June 2025.

26:11.71
Adz
So that's 9 Nicholson Street Carlton for anyone who hasn't been to the Royal Exhibition Building. ah So, yeah, they're upgraded. The Hobby Hangout XL will feature australia and Australian and international guests, some exclusive speakers sharing insights,

26:30.34
Adz
knowledge and tips. Sports cards, we're talking basketball, NFL, MLB, soccer, F1, the lot, massive selection of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and more.

26:41.36
Adz
Trading zones, trading card game tournaments. So there's gonna be actual tournaments at the event. There'll be giveaways everywhere, interactive brand activations.

26:52.33
Adz
I might have to pass to Russell to find out what the hell that means. And casual play areas. They have stepped things up. That is the Hobby Hangout XL and tickets can be purchased now. Early bird tickets at thehobbyhangout.com.au.

27:13.91
Adz
You're on mute.

27:17.94
Russell Gibson
Great stuff, mate. Well done.

27:19.78
Adz
Cheers. I don't know what interactive brand activations means.

27:24.56
Russell Gibson
ah So I think, like, for example, remember when Lane was, like, yeah, showing people stuff and, you know.

27:27.34
Adz
QR codes.

27:31.32
Adz
Such a bad way to brand it.

27:35.04
Russell Gibson
It's a huge umbrella term, isn't it?

27:37.11
Adz
Yeah, it's just like interactive activations.

27:37.85
Russell Gibson
Yep.