You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 200: Celebrating Our Journey & Talking Historical Card Values
We've hit a huge milestone—episode 200! This week, we take a moment to thank everyone who has supported us along the way, including our listeners, sponsors, and the great people at Hobby Hangout.
After that, we dive into card values using the Card Ladder Market Cap tool. We break down:
✅ The GOATs and their place in the market
✅ Ultra-modern players climbing the ranks
✅ What the data tells us about long-term trends
Thanks for being part of our journey—here’s to the next 200!
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 200 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
200 episodes.
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Russell Gibson
G'day Adam, hi everybody at home, hope you're all well.
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Adz
That's a lot of episodes.
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Russell Gibson
And thank you to you and congratulations to you, Ad. Like this is a a mini milestone we should celebrate, I think this is great.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, it goes both ways. Thank you for for for being such a great co-host. I think we've done well over over this stretch.
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Russell Gibson
Thanks.
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Adz
And you're right, we've got other people to thank aside from one another, but we should take the time to give each other a pat on the back. There's been a lot of people with us over the journey.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we should definitely name a couple. I think the easy ones to my sort of head is The guys at Fastbreak, that's been a wonderful blessing for us.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's the best way to say it. And then we looked back on the spreadsheet tonight and the other one that actually probably surprised both of us actually now we were talking about it was Amir and the Bang Man.
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Russell Gibson
So huge thank you to Amir.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, it's
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Russell Gibson
He's no longer you know with us, but at the same time, you know we wanted to take this opportunity to look back and you know thank the people that had really reached out to us.
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Adz
really positive.
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Russell Gibson
And I think the other really obvious one is the Hobby Hangout because...
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Adz
Yes, they've been with us for for the whole lot for the whole stretch.
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Russell Gibson
they They supported us when we were just, not that we're a big fish in the pool now, but at the same time, we were minuscule in terms of our numbers and stuff like that when we first jumped, when when they first approached us.
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Russell Gibson
So think that for us was a really big one in terms of you know also...
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
I think the way I felt about it too, Ad, was that it just maybe gave us a bit of positive confirmation of we're heading in the right direction. That was how I felt about that at the time too. And that gave us a lot of exposure.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So that was, you know, they've just been just very supportive of us just for, and ah really for no reason. I think that's other thing too, with the guys at Hobby Hangout. So yeah, massive, massive, you know, shout out and thanks to them.
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Russell Gibson
Obviously,
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Adz
Well, I think that the one that we should probably thank the, I mean, the sponsors that have been on board, amazing. but But I think the ah the real ones are the the ones that stop us from thinking or the the initial thought I had that we were just talking to each other and no one was listening.
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Adz
um And it's the listeners.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
They're the big one. It's...
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Russell Gibson
think I think the obvious one for me is Anthony Milne. That was the one that we were talking about offline.
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Adz
Yep. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
It's just every day in the chat. So Anthony, we hope you're well. Thank you for your support. We're so flattered that you enjoy our content so much.
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Adz
I think we've got ADOS as well would be would be one that's always active ah active in the chat.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
Very, very, very much so. Commenting on things, putting things up and and putting opinions forward.
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Russell Gibson
Scotty James.
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Adz
Yes, yes, Scotty James. Yes, very loyal listeners. We've got a lot of people that have tuned in over the years.
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Russell Gibson
James Gregory is currently on holiday in Portland and was talking us up to a local card shop owner. So James, same to you, mate. Thank you so much for your support over the time.
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Adz
Yeah, it's fine well, the last I heard, I think he'd actually tied up the store owner and Mayton forced him to listen to our entire outside library library of episodes.
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Russell Gibson
That's right.
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Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.
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Adz
He might still be in the process of listening.
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Russell Gibson
and Couldn't leave the house.
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Adz
That's it.
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Russell Gibson
Couldn't leave the house until it was all listened to.
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Adz
Yeah, just the whole the whole catalogue.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
200 episodes is a lot to listen to.
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Russell Gibson
That's a lot. Ryan from Gemrate, you know, I've even went over to America and he was kind enough to hang out with me. Like that's the type of, you know, relationships were built with people over time.
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Russell Gibson
And, you know, again, he's been fantastic to us, you know, building content for us and giving us statistics and explaining things to us, teaching us the back end of the hobby.
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Adz
Yep. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
That's been, you know, absolutely fantastic.
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Adz
and We've had a lot of people on the show, like guests, and and and they're not they're not local by any stretch. um Can't forget our friends across the ditch over in New Zealand, the Card Codex boys.
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Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, absolutely.
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Adz
Had them on a few times. Probably overdue for another catch-up.
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Russell Gibson
Shout out, guys. We need to get this sorted out and get you guys back on.
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Adz
Carl and Paris. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
Yep. Yep. lot local...
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Russell Gibson
Sports cards nonsense, Matthew Yuga. Of course, we can't forget EJ's. They're also a very earlier adopter and sponsor for us. so
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Adz
Yeah, lot of people.
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Russell Gibson
Anyone that we haven't mentioned... We do apologize, but at the same time too, thank you everyone who has listened to our show and engaged with us, sent us messages, commented on our posts, yada, yada, and all of the sponsors who have you know kept our lights on.
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Russell Gibson
It's been been great.
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Adz
Yeah, true, true.
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Russell Gibson
It's been a wonderful 200 episodes. so
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Adz
Oh, look, and look, special shout out, I guess to Al and to Joe Fu as well, who have been that have had the pleasure of giving us their time in person, um as well as, yeah, discussing many things hobby and not hobby related.
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Adz
So yeah,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, so shout out to Al for the artwork too. If you do want some street looking logos for your podcast or walls, yeah, just reach out to Al or ah to us and we can hook you up with Al. That's no troubles at all.
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Adz
All right. All the, all the, that's the pleasantries.
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Russell Gibson
That's enough, isn't it?
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Adz
That's the celebration. i'm I'm sure it'll, it'll sink in in a couple of days. Wow. We've got part where we're, yeah, 200 episodes.
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Russell Gibson
200 is, yeah, I think we should take five minutes out to enjoy the moment. So I think whilst we are taking five minutes out to enjoy the moment, we are going to be very self-indulgent this episode.
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Russell Gibson
All we're going to be doing, except for two new stories, is just talking about cards, basically.
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Adz
It's comping.
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Russell Gibson
Card values and just us just frothing over cards. We... even though, yes, it is a very self-indulgent thing, the reason why we're doing this is we're going to go through card ladders, total market cap um from number one until until the end of the show. So basically we're going to be talk about some absolutely massive players and massive cards.
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Russell Gibson
And I think from sort of a zoomed out perspective, this is going to be really good because it's going to give us an idea of where the old timers are, where maybe some of the, you know, the eighties and nineties players lie. And then also that ultra modern,
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Russell Gibson
how that sort of goes into there. And I think this would probably be the perfect episode to get someone like Ryan to come in and sort of give us like a bit more sort of even higher higher sort of overarching.
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Adz
For sure.
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Russell Gibson
So after this episode is done, I'm going to reach out to Ryan and get some feedback from him because I'm sure there was so things we missed or things that, you know, we should have included in So that will be, you know, fantastic.
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Adz
Bit scope.
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Adz
Yeah. but Well, we obviously we we had the episode where we looked through GemRate. Ryan has showed us how to use that, his website.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
um We're going using Card Ladder this week and we're going to try and dig deeper into into the way Card Ladder spits out data, really. you We're on the hunt for cards. So what better way to do that? Do we want to hit the news first and then and then dig
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Russell Gibson
Let's do the news really quickly because I think this one's a little bit of an interesting one for me. i'm always fascinated by coaches firing.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
So Taylor Jenkins has been fired from the Memphis Grizzlies. Super weird timing, I think, because the playoffs are what, just eight or 10 games away.
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Adz
Not long at all. It's bizarre.
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Russell Gibson
And my my gut feeling with, well, most coaches being fired is it's a pretty simple recipe. It's either that they were grossly underperforming or there was a coach killer.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And I don't think Taylor Jenkins was underperforming. i Actually, I think that team has been pretty injury riddled over the years. I think it's a good assortment of talent, but i I don't really think that he has underperformed in his capacity.
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Adz
Hi. ah It shocks me because Memphis have had a ah sneaky good year.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um Yeah, baffled. Baffled.
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Russell Gibson
So, and then basically within less than 24 hours, a story came out that Ja Morant didn't like the offense. He was having some sort of motivation issues, you know, coming to work each day and sort of going through the drudgery of this guy's offense.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And so I think if you dig a little bit deeper into that is that So he's the type of coach that would um allow other coaches in his coaching staff to to do the offense.
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Russell Gibson
So actually Taylor wasn't the the offensive. Of course he like he has the final say, but he wasn't the offensive coordinator per se.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So that's the part that I'm sort of a little bit interested in. And actually the coach that they did appoint ah allegedly was in charge of the offense. So that' that's also part of it you know that I don't really understand. So maybe...
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Russell Gibson
Jaros is saying, look, I didn't like the offense, but really what he was, the underlying mean is, look, he just really didn't like Taylor.
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
I actually thought he seemed like a pretty straight shooter and he seemed to defend his players. And, you know, I... Look, I'm not in the locker room day in and day out.
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Russell Gibson
So it's, it's obviously, it's incredibly hard for me to, you know, put all the pieces together, but yeah, I'm really, you know, shocked by this actually.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
i would love to see them like hire someone like Doc Rivers and then, you know, a Jar has to go public and say, look, I wish Taylor would come back. Honestly.
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Adz
That would be very, yeah, be very interesting.
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Russell Gibson
you know what i mean? Yeah.
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Adz
don't know.
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Russell Gibson
Where are you at with this?
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Adz
I hope it turns Memphis into a dumpster fire because we're playing them currently in the standings, the Lakers. So I'm shocked. i Like, i I don't see it being a reason to sack a coach.
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Adz
There's been success. Obviously, Jarrett adapted. Like, I get it. If he really wants to be a coach killer, he can be one. But I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah,
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Adz
I just don't think it's the right time. Ten games out from the playoffs.
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Russell Gibson
it's weird timing, isn't it?
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Adz
um
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Russell Gibson
Like difficult, awkward timing.
00:10:04.99
Adz
It's – that makes little to no sense. And you can't just – Oh, we changed coaches. That's why we didn't go deep in the playoffs. Whatever.
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Adz
and I just... I'm sure something will come out in the near future.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. hundred percent
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Russell Gibson
What was the other news thing we want to talk about this week? That's right. It's not so much about basketball per se. It's more about the hobby in general. So the Hobby Hangout XL have just announced. It came into my email literally in the last 12 hours.
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Russell Gibson
We're thrilled to announce that Golden, as in Ken Golden from the USA, will be joining us at the Hobby Hangout XL in Melbourne, their first time in Australia.
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Adz
Special.
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Russell Gibson
Founded in 2012 by the star of the hit Netflix docuseries, King of Collectibles, The Golden Touch. Golden is internationally renowned leader in trading cards, collectibles and memorabilia.
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Russell Gibson
It's funny they dropped the Netflix show in there in that first sentence when... I feel like really they could have just said, you know, he's one of the the biggest guys in collectibles.
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Adz
Golden.
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Russell Gibson
Like that's it.
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Adz
Golden auctions.
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Russell Gibson
and and in And in addition to that, he also has his own TV show.
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Adz
It's like literally it's golden auctions.
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Russell Gibson
So yeah, look, I think this is crazy news. so I think in terms of collectible royalty, if that's the right word to use, which I probably think is appropriate here.
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Russell Gibson
Like who could you get that's bigger
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Adz
war um Yeah, you're right.
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Russell Gibson
like maybe Maybe a bigger name in terms of clicks would be like someone like Gary Vee.
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Adz
I was going to say Gary V would would be a big one, but I think he's been, Gary V has been non-existent in the hobby space though recently.
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Russell Gibson
But...
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, but my thing about Gary Vee is like he's more an influencer and market swinger than a true person who's like bull balls deep in it.
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Adz
Like a hobby in, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Whereas this guy, is like you know he's built his own platform and he's buying his own cards and building up his own collection. You know what I mean? like I actually feel like
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Adz
I'm actually, i would rather this guy. than your best mate, Jeff Wilson.
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Russell Gibson
Oh, God.
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Adz
Could you imagine?
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Russell Gibson
i I would be praying that doesn't bring security. I think I'll just be like throwing eggs at that dude. That would be like delicious, honestly.
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Russell Gibson
um
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Adz
You know, you know it's interesting though?
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Russell Gibson
i would never do that, people.
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Adz
i That's okay, the eggs won't hurt or smell, but whatever.
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Russell Gibson
I'm not a violent person. It's jokes. It's jokes. Yeah.
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Adz
um It's interesting though that you've got these competing shows, big shows in in Melbourne, in Australia, and they're all trying to just hit with something different.
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Russell Gibson
Look, obviously we're biased in this place. They're giving us some sponsorship. But irregardless of that, like this is hobby this is actually hobby news.
00:13:05.43
Adz
Oh, I'm glad for all of it. I think like I'm... Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I i think when Ken Golden or Golden Collectibles is coming to Australia, like that is actually a big deal.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
that's That's news. That's actually, yeah, that that's news for sure.
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Russell Gibson
yeah Particularly a hobby nerd like me that digs this stuff.
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Adz
I think that's going to be awesome. Yeah. is it Is it Ken? Is Ken coming or is someone from – because it's going to be some random representative from Golden Auctions that we haven't even seen on the Netflix show.
00:13:24.25
Russell Gibson
Well, it doesn't specifically say, does it,
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Russell Gibson
His daughter, you know? yeah
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Adz
No, please no. But you know i mean? Like it's not even his number two or his number three. It's some random apprentice is like, yeah, sure, we'll go down and look at Australia.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Actually, ah I got to mention this to you. This is was kind of funny. So this is is it towards the bottom of the email. Stay tuned for exclusive hobby hangout activations. You were asking about that the other week. Like, what does that mean?
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Adz
They're exclusive. That's all I know so far.
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Russell Gibson
What activations do we get for goldens? Maybe we get like a ah discount coupon on these auctions or something.
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Adz
Never know.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, guys, look, get your tickets. Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton, 9 Nicholson Street, Carlton, 10.30am to 5.30pm, thehobbyhangout.com.au is where you go to get your tickets.
00:14:22.15
Adz
be fun.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
um You can also get them on AusTix, but it's the same thing that will take you there. The tickets are currently Hobby Hanger Subscriber Loyalty 12+. Oh, I think that's because I've got a link out of the email.
00:14:42.50
Russell Gibson
so if you' good if you're So if you've signed up for the the list, the tickets are just $25. $25.
00:14:49.32
Adz
That's cool.
00:14:50.92
Russell Gibson
which is actually, that's a nice little activation, isn't it?
00:14:52.89
Adz
Yeah, bonus. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. If you go onto the website, they're $29. Yeah. So you get five bucks off. That's a nice little perk, isn't it? So that's definitely worth mentioning too.
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Adz
Can you activate an activation? don't know. I need to understand this term better.
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Russell Gibson
We do. We've already been waffling on for 15 minutes ad. So why don't we do one quick card and then we'll go to our first break.
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Adz
I was going to say we've just done a promo for for one of our sponsors. Let's go and take a break and go to another one of our sponsors. But how about we're right. We'll probably do one card. this it let's let's um Let's do a bit of a pre preview for after after the ad.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, Introduction.
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Adz
that will All right.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
So I'm going to open up. We've got to card ladder. um and And I've actually...
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Russell Gibson
We've gone to players.
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Adz
I've added a level here. So I've gone players and we've sorted it by total market cap. So if you're in card ladder, I don't know if you can do it on normal.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
If you've got pro, you can go down. We've gone players and I've excluded every other sport and I've filtered it in the search bar. Next to the right of the search bar, there's a filter and I've filtered it by basketball.
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Adz
By total market cap, which has Michael Jordan at the top, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Luka Doncic, Magic Johnson, Kareem, SGA, the list goes on.
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Russell Gibson
Great.
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Adz
I'm going to click Michael Jordan because he's at the top of the list.
00:16:17.52
Russell Gibson
He's number one. Yep.
00:16:19.52
Adz
The one thing I did differently whilst we were chatting. So when you bring up the player, it's got your index data and your sales volumes. This is how many cards have been sold and like...
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Adz
the daily turnover of Jordan cards. And so this is this is huge. um You then have a list of cards and we've sorted that by value. But what I'm going to do is I'm actually going to go into the filter and the last filter is condition.
00:16:49.49
Adz
And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna click PSA 10 gem mint and apply. So we are just gonna look at the most valuable PSA 10 Michael Jordans.
00:17:01.41
Russell Gibson
okay
00:17:02.22
Adz
What do you reckon, Russell?
00:17:03.51
Russell Gibson
Sure, I think that changes the list actually quite dramatically, and I think that'll make it a bit more interesting. So that's fine, yeah.
00:17:09.21
Adz
It makes it unique cards because I was seeing PMGs repeat. So i can we can change that filter and I can go PSA 10s and BGS. I can add...
00:17:18.99
Russell Gibson
No, that's fine. No, i'm I'm happy to roll with but that, mate. I think the only thing for me is, just means I have to put that filter on every time. That's the only thing, but I'll be able roll with this filter.
00:17:30.11
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
live change. And I think it's a good idea, man. So let's do that. So we'll start with the Jordan 1998 Skybox Molten Metal, correct?
00:17:33.32
Adz
Okay. so
00:17:37.70
Adz
Let's do it. That's the card we are looking at.
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Russell Gibson
Great.
00:17:40.34
Adz
So yeah, 1998 Skybox Molten Metal. Number to 40, the Fusion Titanium PSA 10. It's hell of a card.
00:17:54.16
Russell Gibson
Yes, I feel like these first, say, 10 or so cards, I'm more going to be looking at them in terms of pure artwork and aesthetics because this is the type of card where the idea in my brain doesn't even come in that I could possibly own one.
00:18:09.70
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? with With a card value of $360,000 these cards...
00:18:15.00
Adz
there only There's only two of these in the pop count.
00:18:15.14
Russell Gibson
um so yeah i just find these cards I'm not too sure if I'm explaining myself properly, but I really associate with these cards on a different level to what I do for a silver, raw, current, know, ultra modern rookie card. Do you know what I mean? do Which I can pick up for 10 bucks.
00:18:35.17
Russell Gibson
Like these cards, I almost find them like a unicorn of some sort.
00:18:38.77
Adz
They're unicorn cards for sure.
00:18:40.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:40.81
Adz
For sure.
00:18:40.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:43.56
Russell Gibson
Look, I don't mind this card. So if we're just talking about pure aesthetics, look, I think this is fine. Where I sort of sit with this is like, would I really drop 360K on it?
00:18:54.19
Russell Gibson
I think that this is the real thing that I sort of keep on going back to. And and maybe this is the right word or not, but I'm going to use it as just you know value for money.
00:18:58.29
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:02.46
Russell Gibson
So for example, when you scroll down just a couple of cards out of this list, I'm looking at the 1998 SP Authentic. or Even that, like I find this more appealing because... p s a ten It's PSA 10, it's die cut, and it's got an on-card autograph on it.
00:19:17.24
Russell Gibson
I just feel like, you know, that card in itself is just more interesting to me.
00:19:21.26
Adz
yeah
00:19:23.02
Russell Gibson
And it's one third of the price or, you know, even cheaper than that. So, um
00:19:27.74
Adz
Let's go to this.
00:19:30.31
Russell Gibson
yeah, look, awesome start to the show though with that molten metal skybox. Please, guys, if you are listening at home, i think this episode will be far more interesting if you're, you know, checking out the cards as we're going through. so
00:19:41.02
Adz
and have ah Have a look at the the YouTube.
00:19:42.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:43.14
Adz
where We're trying to show the cards where we can. um We're navigating through. if if if you're If you're at home listening and you're not on YouTube, When you're listening, jump on to's to CardLadder, look on these things if you if you do have access to them.
00:19:56.76
Russell Gibson
Mm.
00:19:59.96
Russell Gibson
I think we should probably mention this before we go into our first break, though, but the total market cap for Jordan is $862 million. The second highest is LeBron at $288.
00:20:11.02
Russell Gibson
I just feel like if we didn't mention that before we moved on, we'd be neglecting just how...
00:20:16.12
Adz
it Looking at what the might how how big the difference is,
00:20:21.12
Russell Gibson
just how big the goat is. I think that's the best way to say it. You know, we talk about goats of this and goats of that, but I think if we're talking about just straight hobby, Jordan is so far apart from everybody else, you know, it's just not funny.
00:20:25.58
Adz
We talk about Mount To give some context, your top three being MJ, LeBron and Kobe Bryant are the only ones with market caps in hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:20:50.35
Adz
And then it it it it dwindles very quickly.
00:20:53.31
Russell Gibson
Very quickly. Very quickly.
00:20:55.92
Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like, like um no no shade at all. Steph Curry is at 81 million and Luka is surprisingly at 73.
00:20:59.68
Russell Gibson
No, it's not shade. It's not shade. It's fact. It's it's not throwing shade if you're talking facts and that's literally, yeah.
00:21:03.81
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:06.56
Adz
So there's the top five players and then it's if all of it's under 50 million. Magic and Kareem doing very well. They're SGA, I'm surprised.
00:21:17.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. let's Let's hold that conversation until we get there. Hey, what do you reckon?
00:21:20.12
Adz
But yeah, let's take a break.
00:21:20.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We'll be right back.
00:21:32.36
Russell Gibson
Adam, how are you, buddy?
00:21:33.78
Adz
I am good, i am good, i am good.
00:21:36.56
Russell Gibson
So i think the goal I had in my head was we're going to do 100 comps this show.
00:21:36.60
Adz
What do we but are we looking at next?
00:21:40.90
Russell Gibson
So, so far, I think we've spoken about two cards in 20 minutes. I think we're going to fall short of this 100 card plan that I had.
00:21:49.61
Adz
Know what we should do? we should do a 20, one of those, you know how they do those 24 hour streams?
00:21:50.93
Russell Gibson
What's that?
00:21:55.15
Adz
We just comp cards for 24 hours.
00:21:57.91
Russell Gibson
I think we would actually find a way to still not somehow get to a hundred cards. ah
00:22:02.41
Adz
yeah And we'd have like a comp counter. How many cards can we comp in 24 hours?
00:22:09.70
Adz
That's like it.
00:22:11.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That's a good idea.
00:22:12.62
Adz
Yeah, that's that's one that's one to write down and not do for a while. feel like, yeah.
00:22:21.16
Russell Gibson
2003 Topps Chrome LeBron James card number 111 gold refractor to 50. Are we on the same page?
00:22:29.21
Adz
Well, I haven't opened LeBron yet. I'm still in Jordan.
00:22:31.73
Russell Gibson
Come on, mate.
00:22:32.66
Adz
Still in Jordan.
00:22:34.33
Russell Gibson
All right. I will start talking about this card while you're opening it up.
00:22:38.71
Adz
i'm ah You're right, have to do the PSA 10 filter.
00:22:42.84
Russell Gibson
You have to put apply the filter every time now. and you This is the grave that you dug, mate.
00:22:47.59
Adz
Oh, far out.
00:22:48.16
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:22:48.64
Adz
What have I done? What have I what have i done
00:22:51.13
Russell Gibson
All right. So this card to me is is very important. I love this card so much. I'm really glad that this card somehow you know went to the top because actually I thought it was going to be maybe one of his exquisite RPAs or you know something along those lines.
00:23:04.25
Russell Gibson
I think what's you know incredibly special about this card is the numbering on it. So this is number 250.
00:23:09.57
Adz
Yep.
00:23:10.38
Russell Gibson
It's gold. This doesn't fit my OCD. So in my mind, gold should be number 210. So fanatics, can you please keep that in mind as you're building...
00:23:18.48
Adz
Tops are gonna mess with you on this.
00:23:20.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:20.95
Adz
Yep.
00:23:21.45
Russell Gibson
As we're moving into the next couple years, I'd really appreciate that you could comply with that, Michael Rubin.
00:23:26.11
Adz
Yep.
00:23:27.13
Russell Gibson
um And then so, yeah, population on this is nine and it last sold for $645,000. So it's just insane sort of cash that's going around. The funny thing about this one though, I can actually justify this. So that last purchase that was just sort of like, it's it's not a random insert, but let's call it a random insert.
00:23:47.04
Russell Gibson
um that for me is a real struggle in my head. And then I'm just looking at with the settings where this one here, on the other hand, I'm like, actually, I really see the value in this and how the numbering, the low pop.
00:23:57.30
Adz
i'm I like this.
00:23:59.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:59.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, look. And and we i know it was through the the quote quote unquote COVID crazy period. However, Sold for 1.2 million in a private sale in August, 2022.
00:24:12.92
Adz
Sold in February, 2023. And sold for 640, October, 2024.
00:24:14.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right.
00:24:17.60
Adz
in february twenty twenty three
00:24:20.28
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:24:21.42
Adz
and then recently sold for six hundred and forty like october twenty twenty four
00:24:25.85
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:24:26.41
Adz
So that 650K might actually be a very, very good investment knowing that it previously has sold for 1.2 mil. that's the That's potentially the future, the 10-year price on that car.
00:24:40.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:41.76
Adz
And Popcannon 9.
00:24:45.73
Russell Gibson
So the one that I'm looking at, which I think is so for me maybe a bit more interesting because the price is still insane, but it's a bit more reasonable. It's the X-Fractor to 220.
00:24:58.70
Russell Gibson
That last sold for 81K and the population on that is just seven.
00:24:58.71
Adz
Mm.
00:25:01.94
Russell Gibson
So i think when I sort of put those two things together, like the pricing, the the population, it's still numbered.
00:25:03.06
Adz
Okay.
00:25:09.12
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:09.45
Russell Gibson
It's still LeBron. And then when we go back to that total market cap we're talking about, with LeBron being four times less than Jordan, the way I interpret that is that maybe Jordan is a little bit overinflated. I'm not trying to say this to bait people, but actually also too, maybe LeBron's got a little bit more room to grow.
00:25:30.16
Adz
For sure, given given given the way that the um the way that market cap works, the way that market cap works is if there is a value shift, the market cap will will expand or retract.
00:25:31.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, as crazy as that sounds, yeah.
00:25:43.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I actually think that you know there's a reasonable chance that that card could still keep going up.
00:25:44.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:51.29
Russell Gibson
ah Let me rephrase that A very, very good chance that this card could still keep going up. so
00:25:55.92
Adz
yeah
00:25:57.26
Russell Gibson
I think we should move on to Kobe Bean Bryant. And looking at the list here, is going to be the 1996 EX-2000.
00:26:00.92
Adz
After Kobe.
00:26:05.98
Russell Gibson
two thousand I'm just going to introduce this card and then you're going to take over credentials numbered to 499.
00:26:11.48
Adz
Nice.
00:26:16.03
Adz
I feel sick thinking about this.
00:26:18.60
Russell Gibson
PSA 10 population is just four on this and it last sold for $617,000. ah Why? Why do you feel sick about this?
00:26:27.56
Adz
Because I owned a BGS seven of this.
00:26:30.36
Russell Gibson
Oh God. It should be, should be comp it live on air or is that just going to cause you pain and suffering?
00:26:32.87
Adz
I have
00:26:36.90
Adz
more and more pain and suffering. Uh, no, no, no, let's, let's do it.
00:26:40.22
Russell Gibson
Actually, well, the BGS eight sold for 9,000
00:26:40.46
Adz
Um,
00:26:44.52
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:26:46.26
Adz
yeah, like it's the fear the, the, the, this card, I obviously not the P the, the PSA 10 version, but I've held this card in my hand, not this particular one of the BGS seven 7.5 or something like that um yeah Yeah. Yeah, it's a beautiful card. It's obviously the the white or silvery version, the credentials of that green um EX.
00:27:15.89
Adz
Have you seen that it the normal EX green Rookie?
00:27:27.59
Adz
But yeah, very, very beautiful. The white, um I suppose the the white background, very, very elegant. um And while Russell turns the camera into two atoms, there we go.
00:27:50.83
Russell Gibson
Hi, mate.
00:27:51.98
Adz
that was...
00:27:55.09
Russell Gibson
That's okay. So the last thing I heard you say was you hold it in your hand.
00:28:01.12
Adz
Yep, cool. Held it in my hand as I was explaining to to the Void and to the to our live listeners. um
00:28:09.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:10.59
Adz
Yeah, it's a very elegant card. it's the it's ah it's a The number to $4.99 is the white or the the the sparkly, the silver-ish version of the of the base, which is the green in the EX series, which really, really...
00:28:21.97
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:28:27.37
Adz
um Really nice looking piece. I do like the ah credentials.
00:28:31.38
Russell Gibson
Yep. alright. This is where I'm sitting here.
00:28:38.48
Adz
But yeah, I don't know.
00:28:39.20
Russell Gibson
I'm looking at
00:28:39.32
Adz
i Once again, it's it's another it's another rookie card for me.
00:28:43.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But looking at this card here, why why do you think that that one sold for double the price of the 2003 Exquisite? Because... Excuse me. Because... excuse me because Like, looking at those two cards, my preference would be straight to the exquisite with the patch, the autograph.
00:29:04.85
Russell Gibson
Like, that card in PSA 10, like, that that to me, that's wild. So, for someone who's a non-COBE lover, and also maybe who's not that in tune with Skybox EXs, like, why is that worth so much at...
00:29:24.41
Adz
So that the 96 Skybox, that's a rookie card.
00:29:29.22
Russell Gibson
So it's a rookie card.
00:29:30.55
Adz
that that That's one of the sought-after rookie cards.
00:29:32.08
Russell Gibson
It's highly collected.
00:29:33.79
Adz
That's all the the like not the super-fractor, like the pristine.
00:29:34.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:37.93
Adz
Yeah. Pop pop count.
00:29:40.41
Russell Gibson
Pop count. Yeah. PSA 10.
00:29:41.87
Adz
All right, so $4.99 is the the numbering. there There are four of these.
00:29:46.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:48.79
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:49.74
Russell Gibson
So tough to
00:29:50.32
Adz
Yeah. PSA 10, which is, it's not. Like, if you look at the we look deeper into the pop It's very tough to gem. So there's a there ah there are no p BGS 10s.
00:30:04.26
Adz
ah No BGS 10s, which means there are no black labels.
00:30:09.25
Adz
um There are nine BGS 9.5s.
00:30:15.13
Adz
So, yeah.
00:30:15.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so that that probably does play it into a little bit.
00:30:17.06
Adz
it's ah it's it's a very It's a very difficult card to get that gem in. Yeah.
00:30:23.72
Adz
And the fact that it's rookie year, I think, is the is the is the pushing factor there.
00:30:28.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:28.26
Adz
um The exquisite is interesting because there there is there's only one of the PSA 10s, but it's not rookie year. and
00:30:39.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, interesting. So I feel like for me, this is like the value is... ah It's obviously...
00:30:43.58
Adz
Yeah, this one last sold in, when was that?
00:30:50.45
Russell Gibson
I think obviously the value is in the card. Like I'm not trying to downplay this, but I feel like for me, the the value is really driven on this card in terms of the scarcity of the quality of the card. And I think if we sort of take this back a little bit to what we say about, you know, buying the card and, you know, not the grade, I do...
00:31:08.95
Russell Gibson
Like these type of purchases, i actually, I'm using quotations here, i actually worry about them. It's like, well, how long is that card going to hold its value at 600k for?
00:31:19.33
Adz
Yeah.
00:31:22.76
Russell Gibson
I just struggle a little bit when I see these kind of, yeah, like lower end cards that are
00:31:25.25
Adz
What do you mean? You mean like this Kobe?
00:31:31.31
Russell Gibson
Nice cards, but like $600,000. Do you know what I'm trying to say here? I just find that the string attaching those two pieces of data just so flimsy. I'm just like, don't know.
00:31:44.80
Russell Gibson
but We talk about buying cards at you know the very top. I just feel like that to me is just...
00:31:48.58
Adz
you want to run the pop count? you want to run the pop count of... um
00:31:57.37
Adz
Yeah, I don't know. I think that the pop count of 500 on a rookie card, that that's a very low pop count given. Like, look at the Michael Jordan rookies, like the available Michael Jordan rookies.
00:32:03.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:07.26
Adz
And we're we're we're talking like for like to an extent with the fact that Kobe is in that top three. I know Jordan's well and above, but but but Kobe's number three on this list and he's got ah his market cap is in triple figures as well.
00:32:21.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Yeah, exactly. All right. Let's, um, should we move on final thoughts before we go to Steph Curry?
00:32:38.54
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts before we go on to Steph Curry?
00:32:43.75
Adz
Sorry, go, ah Steph Curry is the next one or?
00:32:51.18
Adz
Is there another Kobe card we wanted to compare it to? We've already looked at the exquisite, so it's probably best to go on to Steph.
00:32:59.62
Russell Gibson
Yep, let's do that.
00:33:02.94
Adz
Let's go to Steph. All right, so applying the lovely PSA 10 filter. um Actually, he just comes up with his Bowman.
00:33:13.33
Adz
Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, no. 2009 Bowman 48 rookie is the is the one that comes up as number one, which is the number to 48.
00:33:25.54
Adz
But the top two are obviously his rookie cards.
00:33:26.65
Russell Gibson
All right. i I'm going to go on the record.
00:33:28.28
Adz
Interesting that the National Treasures is the third place.
00:33:30.51
Russell Gibson
I don't want to talk about this Bowman 48. Yeah.
00:33:35.73
Russell Gibson
yeah So for me, i don't want to talk about the Bowman 48 at all.
00:33:39.87
Adz
Why is that?
00:33:39.92
Russell Gibson
So for me, I'm more interested in, well, I don't think it's a pro card.
00:33:52.50
Russell Gibson
That's it
00:34:01.52
Adz
Interesting.
00:34:08.38
Adz
So it's but the same it's the same year.
00:34:12.84
Adz
So you're going to say you don't want to talk about Wemby's unlicensed stuff?
00:34:13.16
Russell Gibson
but it. easy these
00:34:16.67
Russell Gibson
But it's it's a collegiate card, isn't it
00:34:19.84
Adz
Like it's 2009. Is this the is this the the licensed unlicensed debate?
00:34:28.36
Russell Gibson
like I'm happy to talk about the 2009 Topps Chrome, but I just find that Bowman one. Yeah, I just want to say like it's. Yeah, I just don't think I think comparing that to his and NBA one, the 2009 Topps Chrome one. I just don't think that's right. It just doesn't.
00:34:49.22
Adz
ah
00:34:49.53
Russell Gibson
It just doesn't sit with me well at all.
00:34:57.49
Adz
Interesting. I suppose with Steph, i'm I'm curious to know how the the NT rookie patch auto is the one that just miles, miles below.
00:35:00.66
Russell Gibson
Anyway, let's...
00:35:11.08
Adz
you know what I mean? Like it's
00:35:12.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:15.22
Adz
these number to 50 rookie cards or number to 48.
00:35:26.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it doesn't make sense at all. I wonder if that's related to the the time that it last sold, though, too.
00:35:32.15
Adz
Yeah, possible.
00:35:36.01
Adz
Very possible.
00:35:37.21
Russell Gibson
All right, why don't you go through the Bowman 48, and I'll go through the Topps Quorum. How does that sound?
00:35:42.24
Adz
Sure. Well, the Bowman 48 sold enough, August 24th, 2024.
00:35:43.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:45.48
Adz
Yeah. for two hundred and ten thousand dollars and that last sold in on on kobe day finally enough august twenty fourth twenty twenty four
00:35:54.91
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.
00:35:56.30
Adz
um a big difference from the previous sale, which was 120K. So now we're now over 200K.
00:36:04.52
Russell Gibson
yeah.
00:36:05.08
Adz
um
00:36:07.75
Adz
And the previous sale before that was 2016. So it had been a while since it had seen the light of day. It's gone from 5,000 120 in 2022. count on the 10 though one. So yeah, it's...
00:36:16.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:17.66
Adz
um pop count on the psa ten though is one
00:36:24.85
Adz
so yeah it's
00:36:28.36
Russell Gibson
So, okay. So let's talk about the order of these sales then. Okay. So the Bowman's Chrome, sorry, bowing the Bowman, the Bowman 48 sold in 2024.
00:36:34.65
Adz
hmm. Bowman 48. Mm
00:36:39.82
Russell Gibson
So a very recent sale and that sold for $210,000.
00:36:40.29
Adz
hmm.
00:36:44.16
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:36:44.35
Adz
Mm
00:36:44.36
Russell Gibson
This is starting to make a bit more sense in my head. The National Treasures RPA, which is third on the list last sold in 2014. Okay.
00:36:52.74
Adz
hmm.
00:36:53.42
Russell Gibson
So this last sold for $1,700. one thousand seven hundred dollars So my gut feeling on this card is that this is going to be closer to a million dollar card than $10,000 card. So, Hmm.
00:37:05.34
Adz
Yes.
00:37:05.45
Russell Gibson
like so yeah
00:37:07.48
Adz
It's interesting that Card Ladder's got it on the list, though, ah in third spot, right? Because there are cards that have sold for more.
00:37:16.85
Adz
Interesting.
00:37:17.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't think their data is always like perfect all the time.
00:37:20.34
Adz
Accurate.
00:37:21.09
Russell Gibson
And there's a few things that can definitely sway.
00:37:21.57
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:37:23.77
Russell Gibson
particularly when we're talking about, you know, we're narrowing the filters down a lot here at this point.
00:37:27.07
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The last salt versus card ladder value, they reckon it's a hunt that that gold tops chrome is ah is a $150,000 card. And the National Treasures is also that $140,000 mark.
00:37:36.43
Russell Gibson
That's right.
00:37:39.05
Adz
so
00:37:39.86
Russell Gibson
There's no way that goes for 140, man.
00:37:41.76
Adz
um You know which one I want to talk to Yeah.
00:37:42.90
Russell Gibson
I suppose saying that, we were talking about that his RPAs not that long though, were we? And we were really surprised how low it went for.
00:37:49.27
Adz
Low they were. Yeah, low they were.
00:37:50.17
Russell Gibson
But I think this one is better than that last one we spoke about. Like that sticker on that previous card, that was just too unclear.
00:37:56.09
Adz
The sticker, yeah, yeah.
00:37:58.62
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So the 2009 Topps Chrome, that's last sold in 2019. So again, that explains the reason for the sale price being what it was.
00:38:04.17
Adz
The, correct, correct.
00:38:06.86
Russell Gibson
What a pickup though in 2019 for Like that's 10X'd? twenty five k like that's what ten x
00:38:12.25
Adz
Yeah, that's that's insane.
00:38:14.87
Russell Gibson
We got Wemby stuff going for,
00:38:17.88
Adz
Half a million dollars.
00:38:19.14
Russell Gibson
yeah which is not nearly as good as what Steph Curry is.
00:38:23.35
Adz
Yeah, the um the notable out of the Steph Curry list, rookies aside, because I've just gone through these the the value list.
00:38:31.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:31.75
Adz
um There's one in gold down there that sold last sold for $62K that I'd like to quickly touch on.
00:38:37.83
Russell Gibson
You talking about the Kaboom?
00:38:38.78
Adz
The Kaboom, gold Kaboom,
00:38:40.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:43.32
Adz
ah sold um via private sale June last year for sixty two
00:38:52.21
Adz
PSA 10, 2018, Gol Kaboom.
00:38:56.29
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:38:58.52
Adz
I think it's a nice card. It's interesting that looks like he's dunking because he's not really renowned for that.
00:39:02.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:05.33
Russell Gibson
I remember when that came out, i was like, that doesn't actually make sense why they would do that to that card. It should have, but at the same time, actually think the design on that card is really clean. I understand why that card is so popular.
00:39:18.54
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
00:39:20.34
Russell Gibson
In saying that, I think we should really quickly comp that back to the Jordan PMG because the top Jordan card that we were originally going to talk about before we put the PSA 10 filter on was the PMG to 10.
00:39:33.96
Adz
Yeah, that's an interesting one, actually. Let's, um
00:39:35.92
Russell Gibson
So the Metal Universe, 1997 Metal Universe, which is number to 10, very conveniently, that last sold $900,000.
00:39:40.44
Adz
yeah.
00:39:46.01
Russell Gibson
You cannot tell me the dude that bought that didn't have in the back of his head that this card one day will be up at that $900,000, $600,000, $700,000 mark. Yeah. Yeah. think that's that classic.
00:39:56.85
Adz
Oh, for sure, without doubt.
00:39:57.77
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:40:01.14
Russell Gibson
i think that's that classic when you're playing chess against people who are playing checkers, right?
00:40:06.70
Adz
Yeah, I mean,
00:40:07.05
Russell Gibson
Hey, you don't know who bought that in private sale, do you by any chance?
00:40:10.62
Adz
no, no, no. Be nice to know.
00:40:14.97
Russell Gibson
Very lovely. All righty.
00:40:15.92
Adz
We can ask the, we can ask Goldens when they come over to visit.
00:40:20.07
Russell Gibson
That's right. All right. We've just had your boy, Kobe. So let's move on to your next boy. We're going to talk about Luka Doncic. And i think considering i think considering how close you are to Luka now, i think you should kick this one off and and do the honors.
00:40:29.17
Adz
My new boy.
00:40:37.11
Adz
I'm putting the PSA 10 filter on. Can I put the pop count filter on?
00:40:41.62
Russell Gibson
No.
00:40:42.36
Adz
Damn it.
00:40:43.57
Russell Gibson
That's too complex, mate. don't you start adding filters on top of filters on top of filters? It's too hard for the listeners at home to keep up, you know?
00:40:50.09
Adz
I'm like Luka Doncic. All right, fine. So do you know the top four cards under Luka are? That damn rookie card. The gold to 10, the nebula of one of one, the the red shimmer, and the the fast break green.
00:40:59.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:05.47
Adz
So a number to 10, one of one, number to seven, number to five. They all sold for a lot.
00:41:11.87
Russell Gibson
Actually, once you go past it, though the list is actually really interesting. cause Then you've got an optic autograph. You've got another prism. You've got a revolution galactic.
00:41:18.65
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:41:20.56
Russell Gibson
You've got a kaboom, a mojo, next day autograph, a courtside zebra, and then an orange to 49.
00:41:27.51
Adz
i I think the next day the next day auto is a good one.
00:41:28.27
Russell Gibson
That's a fun list.
00:41:31.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, at that point. So why don't we do number one, then we'll do the next day auto. How about that?
00:41:35.98
Adz
Beautiful. Okay, so number one is the...
00:41:36.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:39.63
Adz
It is a 2018 Prism rookie card to in February down... that last sold for three hundred and forty one thousand six hundred dollars and that was on the twenty second of february down
00:42:00.36
Adz
as it sold for 780K in January 2021.
00:42:06.07
Russell Gibson
Oh my God.
00:42:10.55
Adz
Pop count is four, which means 40% of these are PSA 10.
00:42:15.99
Russell Gibson
Oh, or they've just resubbed them.
00:42:19.00
Adz
Yeah, it's interesting because there's 15 have been in the population report.
00:42:23.37
Russell Gibson
But if you've got a 10, why would you resub it?
00:42:23.39
Adz
Yeah, and I know.
00:42:25.92
Russell Gibson
ah Okay, just disregard what I said then, actually.
00:42:26.17
Adz
Oh, I reckon in the debate yeah BGS 9.5s upgraded to 10s.
00:42:33.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I suppose. But yeah, that wouldn't influence that popcat.
00:42:34.46
Adz
I would.
00:42:36.45
Russell Gibson
Honestly, please, and I might even go back and delete that out.
00:42:39.75
Adz
Ha. ah Oh, God. Yeah, no, it's ah it's some interesting interesting sales, that's for sure.
00:42:47.19
Russell Gibson
All right, so I think for my points on this, this is just, you know the iconic card of my generation in terms of the photography on this card. ah The numbering to 10, which is in gold, ticks a lot of OCD boxes for me.
00:42:59.29
Adz
Yeah,
00:43:00.29
Russell Gibson
That is, like, absolutely delicious. But I got to tell you, like, you know, we've been talking about cards, and again, I think this is really good context, isn't it? Like, would you rather have that Steph Curry Kaboom to 10, or would you rather have this for the price disparity?
00:43:13.38
Russell Gibson
I would probably just go with the Steph Curry, to be honest.
00:43:16.02
Adz
yeah that's true.
00:43:16.16
Russell Gibson
then Then we looked at le LeBron before the X Factor, which was cheaper than that. That was eighty k wasn't it? So you can have the that or you can have this.
00:43:23.79
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:43:25.69
Russell Gibson
you know I think, you know look, I love Luka I'm so glad that you know he's going to be the next generation's Jordan or you know the next generation's
00:43:36.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:37.22
Russell Gibson
Steph, however you want to say it, you know, I think he's a great basketball player and I'm sure now that he's playing for the Lakers, you you think that too. i just think some of this stuff is definitely, particularly it's higher in stuff like that to me, that's pumped up to the moon, you know, even at 300k, I think there's a degree of risk on that one too.
00:43:50.45
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
00:43:54.49
Adz
Yeah. No, i think the um I think the rookie card factor is big, but it's finding...
00:43:55.13
Russell Gibson
Um, Nick,
00:44:00.96
Adz
I mean, it goes this this literally goes with what advice you normally give. Don't go the silver, go for the numbered stuff. So the number to 10, obviously a big, big, big price point there.
00:44:13.87
Adz
The Nebula, one of one.
00:44:18.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but 300k yard, you know, like that's, like some of that, that's higher than Jordan Exquisite and Kobe Exquisite. It's like, i think that's that's my struggle point.
00:44:25.27
Adz
Mm. Mm.
00:44:29.55
Russell Gibson
I think this is why I'm enjoying this exercise so much because it really does give you
00:44:33.40
Adz
Some context.
00:44:34.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that ultra modern versus you know sort of other guys. 2018 Next Day Autograph. Population on this is just four. This is actually like a really fun one for me out of a relatively low-end product, but a super, super collectible card.
00:44:51.33
Russell Gibson
I don't particularly like the photography on this card that much, but at the same time, you know he's a young kid, you know first fresh.
00:44:55.47
Adz
He looks skinny in that.
00:44:58.82
Russell Gibson
you know He's got that fresh face look on him.
00:45:01.32
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:01.42
Russell Gibson
This last sold for $20,000. This has sold a lot, this card. If you go back and look at the all-time data on it, there is a lot of different data.
00:45:06.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:10.06
Adz
I like this card ladder value on this though.
00:45:10.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:16.07
Adz
Card ladder values this card quite highly, don't they? Oh no, unless they're valued at 20k. I think this is a really good smart card.
00:45:24.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:25.40
Adz
I mean, we've talked about the next day autos and the value in the next day auto.
00:45:31.08
Adz
This is literally the first rookie card as a professional Luca Dontic signed.
00:45:36.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely is.
00:45:37.93
Adz
So, yeah, the next day auto has some value to it.
00:45:38.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:42.67
Adz
um God, there's a lot of that Prism rookie card in the variations.
00:45:50.83
Adz
I just keep scrolling down the list and it's just every different variant of that Prism 2018.
00:45:50.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look,
00:45:54.59
Russell Gibson
just keeps going. Do you want to talk about one more before we move on?
00:45:55.69
Adz
Yeah. ah What else is on the Luca list here? Not particularly. i just I'm just noting that there's just so much of it.
00:46:05.16
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:46:05.33
Adz
um
00:46:08.13
Adz
Yeah, that's why i like the Next Day Auto. It's so unique compared to the others. um None of the RPA kind of stuff. so But they're more graded as authentic than um looking for a PSA 10 on them.
00:46:22.99
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:25.08
Russell Gibson
And we've completely blown out the structure of this show. We're already up to 46 minutes. So i don't know where the time has gone.
00:46:30.74
Adz
Next break.
00:46:32.97
Russell Gibson
So let's just go to our next break and we will be right back. But before we do go, we are going to hear a word from our sponsors. So thank you to the lads at fastbreaktradingcards.com.
00:46:48.68
Russell Gibson
Congratulations on your first birthday recently. Congratulations on your partnership with CollectFest as being one of the main sponsors for the show. It's just insane news.
00:47:00.45
Russell Gibson
So that's fantastic, guys. Go to their website, fastbreaktradingcards.com. You will find Tops, Basketball, Football, Baseball, Soccer, Formula One, Tennis, UFC, WWE, Fanatics, Authentic Mobiliar, Entertainment, TCG, Disney, Locana, Pokemon, One Piece, Star Wars.
00:47:18.34
Russell Gibson
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00:47:32.00
Russell Gibson
ah You will get very good customer service face-to-face. Great advice. They will also buy your cards from you too. They offer a grading service. You can drop off your cards. They'll take care of everything on the back end.
00:47:44.82
Russell Gibson
um Unofficially, they're also working towards a model of taking your cards and sending them off to the high-end auction houses in the US. So talk to John and Alvaro about that.
00:47:56.22
Russell Gibson
They will sort that out for you.
00:48:04.44
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back. are you doing, buddy?
00:48:06.92
Adz
I'm good. I'm good. I'm ready to to to keep processing down the list.
00:48:11.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we actually lost track of time then and we're just genuinely enjoying ourselves. I think this is you know the sign of a good show. have been keeping account of how many cards we've comped today. We're up to 14.
00:48:23.34
Adz
Oh, that's better than none.
00:48:25.12
Russell Gibson
Just a few short of our 100 goal that we um set for ourselves. So the next person to talk about is Magic Johnson. This is going to be a fun one.
00:48:33.13
Adz
can can can i Can I do a calculation just quickly? If in 45 minutes we did 14 comps,
00:48:36.88
Russell Gibson
Yes.
00:48:40.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:43.23
Adz
it's five comps every 15 minutes roughly.
00:48:46.28
Russell Gibson
It's not bad. it's not It's not terrible, is it?
00:48:49.52
Adz
that's an ah In a 24-hour stream, we would be able to comp 200 cards.
00:48:54.63
Russell Gibson
Easy.
00:48:55.50
Adz
Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't get much sleep, but
00:48:58.05
Russell Gibson
I don't think it would take us that long.
00:49:00.22
Adz
yeah, 24 hours would be great.
00:49:01.81
Russell Gibson
I feel like this is a challenge for us in the future.
00:49:03.20
Adz
It's going to be it's going to be a future challenge.
00:49:03.79
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:49:04.96
Adz
I don't.
00:49:05.47
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:49:05.95
Adz
Yep. We might need partner permission. And and a lot of caffeine.
00:49:11.99
Russell Gibson
philip Sounds like you're laying down the challenge, frankly.
00:49:16.16
Adz
Could be interesting. Okay.
00:49:18.23
Russell Gibson
ah Alright, Magic Johnson. So, applying your filtering rules. I've already done it. We're going to talk about the 1980 Tops Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Julius Irving.
00:49:23.40
Adz
ah Beautiful.
00:49:30.45
Adz
The triple
00:49:32.01
Russell Gibson
Alright, so just before even, like, my first thing about this, I'm very mid on this card.
00:49:37.92
Adz
good
00:49:38.09
Russell Gibson
I...
00:49:38.40
Adz
I have a thought. i don't i don't like that as a rookie card. At all.
00:49:42.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:44.98
Russell Gibson
i mean, I get it that it is what it is and you just have to sometimes, you know, accept it. But at the same time,
00:49:50.82
Adz
The card below it's the rookie card, surely.
00:49:53.85
Russell Gibson
i just don't actually understand why this card is so collected.
00:49:58.21
Adz
Yeah. That's what I don't get.
00:50:00.99
Russell Gibson
I think it just comes down to straight to the year.
00:50:04.64
Adz
I get that.
00:50:05.80
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:50:05.86
Adz
But the first... card exclusively with him on it is not this one. It's the 1981.
00:50:18.81
Adz
Either of them, the 109 or the,
00:50:19.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hmm.
00:50:25.01
Adz
I think the number 21, that's the rookie card. In my view, 1981 tops, that's my rookie card, but it's not the one we're talking about.
00:50:31.59
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:50:33.82
Adz
Look, it's, I don't know, scoring leaders, Magic Johnson,
00:50:42.71
Adz
It's an insert, isn't it?
00:50:47.70
Adz
Or a subset, like it's not a player's card.
00:50:50.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:52.87
Russell Gibson
So I feel like the place where we start with this is actually the all-time data on this. So filter it down to all-time data. So if you go back to 2007, this sold for $6,000.
00:51:02.88
Russell Gibson
As you move into 2020, of course, we all know what happened during that time.
00:51:03.50
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:51:07.54
Russell Gibson
We're selling for around 100K.
00:51:09.64
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:51:10.24
Russell Gibson
And then it spiked all the way up to 700. And then there was a couple higher, 800. eight hundred
00:51:16.46
Adz
840 Jesus.
00:51:18.59
Russell Gibson
Actually, the thing I'm more interested and in about this card is it's definitely come down post-COVID, but it hasn't come down as much as you would expect it to.
00:51:30.03
Russell Gibson
Because, you know, there's some cards where it's a straight line up and it's a straight line down. So you're basically back to where you you know were before you started.
00:51:35.19
Adz
Yep.
00:51:37.60
Russell Gibson
Whereas this card...
00:51:37.69
Adz
Mm hmm.
00:51:39.72
Russell Gibson
Yes, it's it's definitely down.
00:51:40.55
Adz
Has had a journey.
00:51:41.22
Russell Gibson
If you filter it down to that last couple of years, okay, that's you know it's down 50%. But at the same time, if you look at the all-time data, and I think this is what's more interesting to me. So this card is trading at 432.
00:51:54.77
Russell Gibson
you know We talk about missing the train on cards and I'm still kicking myself over this Yo-Kick thing. But for me, this is the the classic one of if you don't have this card already, i don't really see the genuine...
00:52:09.89
Russell Gibson
purpose of, you know, getting on and getting it unless you just value it so highly you have to get it.
00:52:11.29
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:15.60
Russell Gibson
So the other two guys on the card we probably should mention is, yeah, Larry Bird and Dr. J.
00:52:21.17
Adz
Well, this is this is my one counterpoint to it. i mean, aside from the card is a subset, not an actual player card. But it's kind of, if you're going to call it a a um a rookie card, it's a dual rookie card because it's it's Larry Bird's and Magic Johnson's rookie appearance.
00:52:38.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:39.95
Adz
which is i suppose what puts extra value on it.
00:52:42.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:43.03
Adz
ah still think it's the 1981 card, but anyway.
00:52:45.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, I just, yeah, definitely. I feel a bit perplexed by some of these cards, to be honest. And, you know, I think that's fine. If this is what you collect, it's it's wonderful. yeah
00:52:58.02
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:58.32
Russell Gibson
ah All right. Let's really quickly touch on this. The 1986 Fleer Magic Johnson, number seven. ah This is another one where I feel like this is the...
00:53:08.76
Adz
It's the sticker.
00:53:09.90
Russell Gibson
So I call these ones the lightning in the bottle. So you i i think it's good to have...
00:53:14.18
Adz
Trying to make people angry here. This is a sticker, not a card.
00:53:17.30
Russell Gibson
Sure. ah Either way, though, so the way I look at this is that you pick up PSA 10s and you put them away and you hope that you catch lightning in the bottle. And I honestly feel like with these ones, this is an absolute sell.
00:53:29.68
Adz
Jesus. Yeah.
00:53:31.14
Russell Gibson
So if you're talking about you know the buy-hold-sell equation, for me, this is just like to sell this as quickly as you can at 6,800.
00:53:38.37
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:53:40.75
Russell Gibson
roll it into something bigger and better that you, you know, you genuinely want. And, and you just take the value that's just come back to you because the really interesting thing about this, actually, this is quite relatively frequently traded.
00:53:52.55
Russell Gibson
So if you filter this down to the last year, this has been sold one, two, three, five times in the last 12 months.
00:53:56.35
Adz
Yep.
00:54:00.20
Russell Gibson
So for relatively unknown, you know, high value card, interesting one.
00:54:07.51
Adz
It's an interesting turnover, yeah.
00:54:10.18
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so, and Kareem. Alrighty, Kareem is our next gentleman. And I can't wait to talk about this one. I'm probably going to change the the card we talk about, even though we do have a recipe that we need to follow.
00:54:25.75
Adz
yeah
00:54:26.56
Russell Gibson
i really want to talk about, ah it's come up on top anyway. Alrighty, this is the card I want to talk about, 1969 Kareem.
00:54:35.59
Russell Gibson
Lou Alcindor, correct? All right. The reason why this card is so significant is because of the shape of the card. It's locked.
00:54:44.01
Adz
tall card.
00:54:44.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, tall card. It's a very long and narrow card. ah In addition to that, you will see a lot of these cards um that have been aftermarket signed by Kareem.
00:54:56.67
Russell Gibson
And he seems to be the type of gentleman that is very um willing to work with collectors and and write special inscriptions on them and and stuff like that.
00:54:58.26
Adz
oh Oh,
00:55:08.16
Russell Gibson
And so... you can get lower PSA graded cards of this, which actually I would call very, very affordable. So let's let's just roll this down to PSA 5.
00:55:21.38
Russell Gibson
five So the the last slot on this is 1,100. um And then you can get an autographed one in that sort of you know PSA 5, PSA 6 for around 2K.
00:55:34.50
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:34.67
Russell Gibson
And so I find those cards super interesting and and very enticing because I'm like, in my head, I'm like, yes, I can afford that.
00:55:39.49
Adz
oh
00:55:44.02
Russell Gibson
It's a very unique card to begin with. Plus the, well, he's not the number one scorer of all time, but let's at one point he was that number one scorer.
00:55:48.04
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:53.88
Russell Gibson
And also he does these beautiful inscriptions onto them too. And so yeah just for these cards, I just sort of, ah find there's a lot to like on them. And again, the other thing I really like about this card too is that it does actually cater for all different price points as a collector.
00:56:10.87
Russell Gibson
So, you know, you you're going from a PSA 4 up to 10, of course, there's a big difference in that, but at the same time, so the price difference is also big.
00:56:11.35
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:20.20
Russell Gibson
You're up to $240,000. So it caters to that ultra high-end collectors and down to sort of, you know, you're guys with a more, you know, day-to-day budget, if you want to talk to it like that.
00:56:31.33
Russell Gibson
So, yeah, look, I actually looked at these, you know, for quite a long time. i didn't pull the trigger on it because I probably moved on to something to something else. But at the same time, this has been or is a card that's on my, you know, one day it's on my bucket list type thing.
00:56:45.05
Russell Gibson
And, yeah, those lower, you know, PSA, it doesn't seem out of reach, you know, too much.
00:56:45.23
Adz
That's a bucket list card for sure, for sure. Yeah.
00:56:51.93
Russell Gibson
So, yeah, i think i think he's a very generous
00:56:54.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:58.24
Russell Gibson
um hobbyist too. The way, like the amount of cards that that gentleman has signed and, you know, done autographs for people. you know, I think we do need to give him a little bit of kudos in that space here. Alrighty. So this next one um with a market cap of 27 million. So just for context, Luke is at 73 million. Magic is at 49. Kareem is at 31.
00:57:18.78
Russell Gibson
And next on the list is at 27. So this is the first sort of red card ah twenty seven so this is the first sort of red red flag for me. This is the one that's, you know it's really, i find this one, you know, quite challenging to look at.
00:57:28.83
Adz
Bang.
00:57:34.15
Russell Gibson
And I think that, yeah, I do because so, so for example, so once you click onto the player page and you look at stats, look at what has happened to him
00:57:34.26
Adz
Really? Yeah.
00:57:42.18
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:45.42
Russell Gibson
since January of 25. It has just exponentially gone up.
00:57:51.67
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:51.89
Russell Gibson
Speaking of and exponentially gone up, Adam, we didn't talk about this. Let's just thread this in now.
00:57:56.57
Adz
Yep.
00:57:56.80
Russell Gibson
Thank you, everybody, who's been supporting us on YouTube. We basically, in the last seven days, have doubled our subscribers. So thank you to everyone who's been subscribing to our channel, sharing, yeah commenting, you know yada, yada.
00:58:07.98
Adz
sharing videos, watching videos, yeah.
00:58:12.54
Russell Gibson
It's finally... We've been picked up in the and the YouTube ether slash algorithm. And we basically had two years of growth in a week. So yeah, thank you to everyone to that.
00:58:25.00
Russell Gibson
So basically our YouTube subscribers look like SGA's indexed data, you know, and this is what I'm really worrying about.
00:58:29.40
Adz
that the spike?
00:58:32.81
Russell Gibson
And actually you can already start to see a small downturn. So, you know, what so this is my concern.
00:58:37.40
Adz
We better not lose subscribers, Jesus.
00:58:40.14
Russell Gibson
You've got this huge market cap on the guy. Like, it's insane. Like, if you think about what he's done and the quality of plays that we've just discussed, and now we've got SGA, that to me, it it doesn't make sense.
00:58:54.24
Russell Gibson
So SGA is higher than Will, Giannis, Bill Russell, which for me, Bill Russell is criminally low.
00:58:58.61
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:00.63
Russell Gibson
George Mikan, KD, Edwards, I can leave or take. Jason Tatum, he's higher than Tatum. Like, that's nuts. Nikol Jokic isn't as high as Jason Tatum.
00:59:12.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so, okay.
00:59:13.03
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:13.17
Russell Gibson
but but That's enough to be said, isn't it? I think that's...
00:59:15.20
Adz
But it it gives you a ah it gives you perspective. The one thing I want to add because...
00:59:21.07
Russell Gibson
Dude, please, because I'm just... I'm taken aback at this point.
00:59:24.66
Adz
Okay, so one thing market cap doesn't really account for is spikes.
00:59:24.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:59:30.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:59:33.05
Adz
So SGA has, and you look on on the list, 163 different cards...
00:59:40.18
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:59:41.23
Adz
So all of those start to spike. The market cap naturally multiplies that height that most recent sale by the number of cards.
00:59:49.19
Russell Gibson
Correct. Correct. Yes.
00:59:51.55
Adz
We live in a time, there's a reason Luka is number number five. And yeah, i'm ah he plays in the Lakers now, but I'm still going to criticize the fact that there are so many Lukas out there.
01:00:04.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.
01:00:05.82
Adz
So if the the hype of him going to the Lakers causes a spike in his cards, the volume is just going to throw the market cap up.
01:00:14.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but point being, there's 732 Lukas, but only 163 Shays, but he's still higher than Wilt, Giannis. This is what I'm saying to you, though. like So 100%, I respect what you're saying, but it's possible we just feel you know very differently about SGA.
01:00:34.22
Russell Gibson
Look,
01:00:35.00
Adz
I don't think SGA is warranted to be in the top 10. Yeah.
01:00:37.92
Russell Gibson
I think 12 months ago, he was one of the best buyers in the hobby, and i think we missed that. i think we dropped the ball on it, and we were, well, me, i can say we, but really me, I was too conservative in that space.
01:00:50.80
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:51.41
Russell Gibson
And I was worried about his pricing, you know, going up six months ago. I i was like, oh, I'm not too sure. Whereas now, this is just alarm bells for me.
01:00:58.99
Adz
But market cap and and and Anthony Mills put it in the chat.
01:01:00.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:03.05
Adz
thats That's the now market, right? So it multiplies because it's a very simplistic view. The trend is these cards have all skyrocketed.
01:01:13.19
Russell Gibson
isn it
01:01:13.26
Adz
So the cap blows up.
01:01:16.05
Russell Gibson
Correct.
01:01:16.36
Adz
What happens is as the sales start to taper off, all the cards get their recent sales, it will it will mellow down. There's no way sga is going to be a top 10 player in the at the market cap. It's just spike marketing. It's maths.
01:01:32.82
Adz
It's got to be maths.
01:01:35.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And actually i agree a hundred percent with what you just said, but that makes me concerned if you're buying into SGA at the moment.
01:01:43.69
Adz
Yeah, but you could he could go higher.
01:01:44.50
Russell Gibson
You're buying into me and like at this at this crazy inflated point in time. And in my head, he hasn't done what he needs to have done to justify that position.
01:01:56.06
Adz
My goodness, hang on a second. can we can we Can we take out all of the instances of SGA and replace them with Luka Doncic and your opinion with exactly what I have about Luka?
01:01:57.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:09.50
Adz
You've just given the Luka Doncic argument to SGA and I love it. I love it.
01:02:16.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just feel that um Luca is more of a hobby darling, but obviously that's obviously that's changed a lot.
01:02:17.04
Adz
yeah
01:02:21.96
Adz
Hobby darling, yes.
01:02:24.40
Russell Gibson
He's just popular. You know, some things are what they are in the hobby, though.
01:02:27.29
Adz
Yeah,
01:02:27.35
Russell Gibson
You just have to accept it, right? You know, Luca's popular. i still I still like Luca's resume better than SGA's.
01:02:31.58
Adz
yeah, yeah.
01:02:34.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:34.31
Adz
yeah. yeah um but I love the fact that you've put you very clearly pointed out that SGA hasn't done enough to deserve where he is on the ladder.
01:02:35.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:41.06
Russell Gibson
he He absolutely. Yeah, this is high high quality speculation here.
01:02:46.16
Adz
Neither has Luka, I will add.
01:02:46.44
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.
01:02:48.75
Russell Gibson
We've finally got an RPA at the top. So this speaks to me. So thank you very much. Card ladder. 2018 SGA National Treasures Vertical RPA number to 10.
01:03:01.27
Adz
They don't often grade very well.
01:03:01.77
Russell Gibson
PSA 10.
01:03:02.95
Adz
That's the problem.
01:03:03.09
Russell Gibson
That is crazy. Yeah, that's right. So population on this is two. This has hasn't sold for a while. So if this had sold recently, this might be a half a million dollar card.
01:03:13.29
Adz
Well, no, no, no that look Look at number three on the list.
01:03:13.47
Russell Gibson
The people...
01:03:15.97
Adz
It's the same card. It's just number 299.
01:03:19.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, this one's number to 10 though, right?
01:03:21.79
Adz
Yeah, this one's numbers are 10. But the numbers are 99 is there.
01:03:26.08
Russell Gibson
Sold for 114. Yeah.
01:03:26.91
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:28.82
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:03:29.72
Adz
So figure out.
01:03:30.00
Russell Gibson
So yeah, definitely that would sell for right?
01:03:30.89
Adz
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
01:03:33.44
Russell Gibson
Look, this is a really cool card. I think whoever's got this, you need to sell this. like You need to go to Golden's. ah You need to bring your card down to the Hobby Hangout XL, drop it into to Golden's.
01:03:40.11
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:44.64
Russell Gibson
How's that for a product placement?
01:03:44.73
Adz
to the Yeah, there we go.
01:03:48.32
Russell Gibson
and get this card sold because this is this is the peak SGA.
01:03:53.70
Adz
What happens if he doesn't win the MVP?
01:03:57.30
Russell Gibson
I think we come back in six months and he's come down 30, 35, 40%. thirty thirty five forty percent I don't think he'll crash because i still think he's got a lot of potential left in him.
01:04:03.56
Adz
Is there a way he doesn't win the MVP?
01:04:08.29
Russell Gibson
He's still on an exciting young team.
01:04:08.53
Adz
Yeah, he's a top 10 player.
01:04:10.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:11.05
Adz
Don't get me wrong. he yeah
01:04:12.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:14.41
Adz
But I think there's going to be a lot of, crap, we may have jumped the gun if we if he doesn't win the MVP.
01:04:20.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hey, ad we're already at the hour mark. Would you like to pick the last card we're going to talk about and then we'll finish up? Or the last player, the last player to talk about.
01:04:27.55
Adz
You want to last player? All right, I'll go off the list.
01:04:29.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Great.
01:04:31.67
Adz
um
01:04:35.36
Adz
You know what? I'm going to pick a Celtic. There's a lot of them.
01:04:39.63
Russell Gibson
Great.
01:04:40.57
Adz
I was going to pick Wilton B. Boring.
01:04:45.38
Adz
i Do I pick an old player? Because I was going No, I'm not. I'm picking Victor Wimbenyana.
01:04:52.97
Adz
Because, come on.
01:04:54.35
Russell Gibson
sure
01:04:54.45
Adz
It's Wemby. It's low-hanging fruit.
01:04:57.25
Russell Gibson
We've done a fair bit of older stuff today. So I think it's fine to do, you know, a little bit of ultra modern.
01:05:02.03
Adz
I
01:05:02.65
Russell Gibson
I think we've been actually pretty good for our standards really today.
01:05:06.32
Adz
done i think we've got a lot. I was going to go quirky, but no. Victor Remignano is going to look very, very, very much like um like the Luka one, where it's all the same rookie card, just all the different variants.
01:05:20.91
Adz
Um...
01:05:24.10
Adz
There's no pricing on it, but I just want to say that the bottom card of that the Wemby list in the PSA 10 is the Prismania. So I just wanted to give that card a bit of a shout out.
01:05:33.92
Russell Gibson
so
01:05:34.82
Adz
Oh, look at that. Bowman University.
01:05:41.97
Adz
Number three. um I think Victor Wemignana's market cap is purely surrounded by this one Prism rookie card, really.
01:05:54.48
Adz
That's what it's held up on, isn't it?
01:05:54.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:56.94
Russell Gibson
So we spoke about that the one-on-one that sold, which was the unlicensed, and then we spoke about the number to five, what was it, the Logoman, and the the price disparity on that.
01:06:06.22
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:07.61
Russell Gibson
So I think that's all we need to remind our listeners about when we're talking about how the market has responded to the licensed and the unlicensed cards.
01:06:07.89
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:16.91
Adz
yeah
01:06:17.95
Russell Gibson
So I think my perspective on Wemby at the moment is that, so we're talking about the Tiger Stripe at the moment. So population on that is six. It last sold for $18,000.
01:06:26.07
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:28.72
Russell Gibson
I think probably what is more relevant right now is talking about the Silvers and then filtering down to the last three months.
01:06:33.77
Adz
Yeah, silvers.
01:06:36.37
Russell Gibson
So then that's within his injury time. And this is to me actually the most fascinating part of all this. So the highest sale in the last three months is $900.
01:06:46.16
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:46.87
Russell Gibson
And the lowest sale is 679. So, okay, that actually is a reasonable amount of variation. However, when you look at the totality of the last three months, he's only down 1.8%.
01:07:01.30
Russell Gibson
So let's just round that up to 2%, which in the hobby the world, that's just variation, you know, from day to day.
01:07:02.36
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:09.23
Russell Gibson
That's that's nothing.
01:07:10.02
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:11.07
Russell Gibson
So I was expecting people to be dumping their cards, like absolutely dumping.
01:07:15.46
Adz
No.
01:07:17.62
Russell Gibson
So despite him having this season ending injury, the hobby community is actually, you know, held together really strongly and um stayed with their boy.
01:07:28.95
Russell Gibson
So look, I think in terms of, you know, where is this going for the hobby and,
01:07:36.17
Russell Gibson
how much money have people put into it, you know, keeping in mind how much money people put into Zion and Jara and how that turned up. So sort of, you know, belly up.
01:07:45.26
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:46.07
Russell Gibson
I'm actually finding this like, you know, really reassuring. And so yeah, into a player.
01:07:49.37
Adz
Well, it's interesting though, because you think about it, because because Ryan uses the term market cap to show how much people are physically invested into a card, right? That's some ah some ah into a player, right?
01:07:59.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:01.07
Adz
So i'll use I'll use a card.
01:08:01.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:08:02.39
Adz
I'll go to the silver prism and and I'm going to do some rough numbers.
01:08:03.88
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:08:09.57
Adz
So at present, we know that the silver PSA 10 is ten has a pop count 4,392. So calculator out because gonna 4,400, rounding up.
01:08:19.76
Adz
Last sold price of $740.
01:08:20.47
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:08:20.60
Adz
That a $3.25 million market cap. Right, shall we to this time last year
01:08:23.17
Russell Gibson
It's just easier that way.
01:08:24.24
Adz
four thousand four hundred i'm rounding it up
01:08:26.73
Russell Gibson
Sure.
01:08:27.07
Adz
last prop
01:08:27.22
Russell Gibson
That's easy.
01:08:28.14
Adz
last sole price of seven hundred and forty dollars that is a three point two five million dollar market cap
01:08:35.25
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.
01:08:36.39
Adz
right shall we go back to this time last year beginning of April, 2024, when this card sold for $2,250. gonna multiply that 4,400, which gives us $10 million market cap.
01:08:56.64
Adz
i'm going to multiply that buy four thousand four hundred
01:09:00.92
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah.
01:09:01.51
Adz
which gives us a ten million dollars market cap
01:09:02.43
Russell Gibson
they probably There probably wasn't that many of them at that time. There like there might have been, say, half as many. Because remember...
01:09:11.67
Adz
But this is my this is the point I illustrate because however many there are of SGA isga silver, the market cap so the market cap is whatever the the number is multiplied by the last sold price.
01:09:24.38
Russell Gibson
Sure.
01:09:25.13
Adz
So when a card bottoms out, we're looking at ah at a discrepancy now on card ladder with Victor Wembenyana where we'll just use SGA saying he's at 27.5 mils.
01:09:27.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:38.94
Adz
five mill
01:09:42.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:42.25
Adz
but you're saying Victor Wembenyana's at 10.3 mil.
01:09:42.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:45.88
Adz
I've just shown you six or $7 million dollars
01:09:51.89
Adz
in that movement. So he goes up to George Mikan. He goes above Kevin Durant in this scenario.
01:09:59.99
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:10:06.28
Adz
Like he goes...
01:10:10.86
Adz
So this is what I mean by being a now list.
01:10:14.80
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:10:16.10
Adz
So he actually like jumped so many, he might actually be under, if he hadn't got injured or the hype hadn't died down when the hype was happening, he was high, he was up with Bill Russell.
01:10:29.21
Russell Gibson
I think initially, like if you look at that graph, initially his sales were quite high.
01:10:35.64
Adz
Yeah, so what I'm saying, yeah, the adjustment in market cap, yeah.
01:10:36.10
Russell Gibson
And then it definitely, it did definitely Peter off Yeah. And I get what you, I understand the point you're trying to make. Yeah, I just probably think the only thing that's a little bit different though is like the market cap with SGA is different now because like the total population of the cards is there and then it's multiplied up.
01:10:58.17
Russell Gibson
So that sort of drags the whole lot up. But I think backwards trying to calculate it without adjusting the population, that probably is...
01:11:00.45
Adz
Yeah.
01:11:06.52
Russell Gibson
like I get what you're trying to do, but it's probably not quite you know right in that sort of space.
01:11:10.14
Adz
So Victor Wimbignano comes out, blows it out next year, goes back up to 1,500.
01:11:11.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:11:15.35
Adz
Then you multiply the
01:11:18.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, in that present, in that time, you would correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:21.24
Adz
Yeah, but that's what I mean about SGA. He's spiking at the moment, so the market cap is seeing a spike across the board.
01:11:26.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Correct.
01:11:30.10
Adz
So his silvers are going through the roof, right? It's not just the RPAs and things like that. Every sale of an SGA is going through the roof. So the market cap is increasing in a lot of, yeah.
01:11:37.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. As the sales as the sales happen, it multiplies it by the pop.
01:11:41.95
Adz
Yeah.
01:11:41.96
Russell Gibson
Correct, yeah.
01:11:42.94
Adz
Yeah. so So that's, I feel like SGA's flavor of the month and just, exploding, whereas Wemby is now gone off the boil, injury, market stabilized, and I think it's gone down.
01:11:56.18
Russell Gibson
I do agree, but I think what I was anticipating was a much bigger drop. But actually what we've seen in the last few months is virtually nothing, like 2%. So i think that's actually a really interesting movement in the market, which people probably haven't been actually discussing because you know this could have been a lot worse for the hobby and for all these people that were you know holding you know large volumes of Wemby.
01:12:05.92
Adz
Yeah.
01:12:22.02
Russell Gibson
I think that's where I'm at with that. So-
01:12:24.10
Adz
Yeah. But I think with with high volume, it's, yeah.
01:12:25.85
Russell Gibson
um We we have to
01:12:27.82
Adz
with With high volume, it gets problematic. That's the main thing.
01:12:31.12
Russell Gibson
we have to tie this bad boy off, Ad. Final thoughts?
01:12:35.45
Adz
ah If you've got time, go through Card Ladder and have a look at all the features. It's pretty fun. um
01:12:43.10
Adz
Yeah, it was it was an interesting little deep dive for the 200s.
01:12:46.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:12:46.93
Adz
Very, very indulgent. um
01:12:49.05
Russell Gibson
But it was fun, wasn't it?
01:12:49.38
Adz
I think that...
01:12:49.85
Russell Gibson
So thanks heaps, Ad.
01:12:50.67
Adz
We didn't...
01:12:51.05
Russell Gibson
That was great.
01:12:52.42
Adz
We didn't quite get through 200 cards.
01:12:55.52
Russell Gibson
So according to my little click counter, we got to 20.
01:13:00.34
Adz
Nice!
01:13:01.34
Russell Gibson
So it's not bad.
01:13:02.10
Adz
So if we do a 24 hour stream...
01:13:05.64
Russell Gibson
I think it would take us three hours. Oh, wait, maybe a bit longer.
01:13:10.49
Adz
We can get five, reckon five, I reckon the target would be 500 cards in a 24 hour stream. Chicken.
01:13:16.23
Russell Gibson
I'm not doing a 24 hour stream. It's not happening.
01:13:18.67
Adz
Chicken.
01:13:20.30
Russell Gibson
for I'll take that. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:25.07
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Legend. Thanks, everyone, for a lovely night. Thank you, Adam.
01:13:28.05
Adz
Thanks guys.
01:13:28.16
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Central Coast Radio listeners.
01:13:28.95
Adz
Thanks. like
01:13:30.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:13:31.07
Adz
Yeah. thanks And thanks for, for, yeah, for 200 episodes. Um, yeah, it's been great.
01:13:36.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:13:37.14
Adz
Awesome.