Episode 201: Timeless Moments: 2014 NBA REDRAFT

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In episode 201, we're taking it back to 2014 and redrafting the NBA's big names with a fresh perspective! 🏀💥 Who should've gone higher? Who gets the #1 pick?

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27:46.34
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 201 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson back with another timeless moment.

28:00.64
Russell Gibson
What's up? How you doing, Ed?

28:02.10
Adz
I'm great.

28:02.16
Russell Gibson
Hello, everyone.

28:02.80
Adz
I'm great. It's, um, now this is an idea we had a little while ago. we thought this might be a bit more timeless than initially thought. So today we are going to go back through um a draft class.

28:18.53
Russell Gibson
Mm hmm.

28:19.61
Adz
Now, what year did I pick? I think I picked the 2014 draft.

28:25.33
Russell Gibson
I'm glad you said that because that's the draft board that I've got open. So that's, that's good.

28:28.13
Adz
thank Thank goodness.

28:29.20
Russell Gibson
We're on the same page, right? yep

28:30.71
Adz
that's That's great. um I was going to say 2015, but I meant 2014 slash 15 product-wise.

28:37.11
Adz
product-wise

28:38.24
Russell Gibson
Yep.

28:38.93
Adz
um and the reason I decided to go with that, not only are we over a decade um removed from that draft, um but I suppose the the biggest diamond in the rough, Nikola Jokic, was ah selected during a Taco Bell ad um at pick 41 in the second round.

28:53.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

29:04.38
Adz
That was, um yeah, yeah.

29:05.16
Russell Gibson
Insane. And I'm sure it's going to happen again too, by the way. i don't think that was just a one year thing. You know, it's, I think it's one of those things where it's a, an inexact science and more of an art than a science to be perfectly honest.

29:18.74
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.

29:19.60
Adz
ah Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. um I do think pick 41 and three MVPs is is pretty rare air, but...

29:26.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's a statistical outlier. That's for sure.

29:29.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

29:30.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

29:30.74
Adz
So the reason we're sort of doing this is to to sort of put out some value um ideas and give you an idea some of the players that ah ah are active and still about.

29:41.86
Adz
So if you are at a, i don't know, at a ah local trade day or made mainly at like a trade show or looking for old product, what players you could...

29:53.57
Adz
you could be looking for.

29:55.27
Russell Gibson
yeah

29:55.42
Adz
And I think the two thousand and fourteen fifteen ah NBA product, which, I mean, there is still some some of it about, some of it at very reasonable prices, um could yield some very interesting rookie cards.

30:11.70
Adz
um I guess I stole the the thunder with Nikola Jokic off the bat. um Who would you say is is a yeah ah pick from from that that you'd be you'd be looking for?

30:25.01
Russell Gibson
Well, I'm not too sure we actually hammered out the details on this, so I can probably edit this out.

30:30.23
Adz
Brilliant.

30:30.77
Russell Gibson
Just put in a note. um So what we should do is we do actually a redraft. If you take pick one, you get pick four. So if you take pick one, I get picks two and three.

30:42.32
Adz
Okay, so we're going to snake it.

30:44.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but then after we've done the first four picks, then you just just take turns.

30:49.17
Adz
Okay.

30:49.88
Russell Gibson
Yep.

30:51.24
Adz
So did I just cut did i cut you out by taking the number one pick and taking Nikola Jokic?

30:51.29
Russell Gibson
All right. Do you...

30:54.93
Russell Gibson
No, you can take the number one. I'll take two and three. That's fine. I'm not stressed.

30:57.46
Adz
Awesome.

30:57.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

30:58.38
Adz
Awesome. Okay.

30:59.94
Russell Gibson
All right.

31:00.14
Adz
Well,

31:00.92
Russell Gibson
So for the number one pick ad, who are you going to take?

31:04.56
Adz
I don't think there's any argument. I am a Julius Randall collector, but I'm um i'm taking Nikola Jokic.

31:07.64
Russell Gibson
i was going to say, you're going to choose Julius Randall, aren't you? I'm sure that's what you're going to um I can't believe it.

31:14.63
Adz
Shocked?

31:16.47
Russell Gibson
All right. I think I have to go in beat. I think even though... we now know how much injuries he's got. I still do think that there's the lightning in the bottle moment for his career.

31:28.98
Russell Gibson
If he doesn't get one championship, that will definitely shock me.

31:29.14
Adz
Sure.

31:32.98
Russell Gibson
I think the really interesting part from now is actually like pick three, who is actually going to be number three.

31:38.15
Adz
Who is pick three in the redraft? And i think I think hobby-wise, we're looking good if we've got one of these cards each.

31:40.60
Russell Gibson
so

31:44.04
Russell Gibson
are we doing this from a hobby perspective or from a player's perspective?

31:45.98
Adz
I feel like from a hobby, but from I think a hobby perspective is sort of where the players are, right, as well.

31:55.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

31:55.29
Adz
Because the next the next couple, I think, are... um

31:58.67
Russell Gibson
I think I have to go Aaron Gordon. I think that's if, if I don't take him, that's a little bit sacrilegious. And then also too, i feel like my, I'm, I'm not shocked.

32:05.01
Adz
I'm taking Randall, you know that, don't you?

32:10.35
Russell Gibson
Yep.

32:10.46
Adz
i'll take i' I'll take Randall and I will take Wiggins.

32:14.87
Russell Gibson
No, no. So after that, then that's it. Then that's my pick.

32:16.64
Adz
What?

32:17.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So you get one, you get one and four.

32:18.96
Adz
Oh, then it goes to you One and four, you get five.

32:21.25
Russell Gibson
yeah

32:22.46
Adz
Oh, you get you take Wiggins then, fine.

32:22.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So I definitely, going to take Wiggins. Thanks. Thanks for like pointing that one out to me.

32:28.16
Adz
no no No problem at all.

32:28.26
Russell Gibson
That's great. Cheers.

32:30.20
Adz
You're you're welcome. um Oh, I'm lost now. Who am I going to...

32:36.40
Adz
Oh, well, I get two picks, don't I?

32:37.98
Russell Gibson
No, no. Now we just go like left and right.

32:39.57
Adz
Oh, we just alternate.

32:40.39
Russell Gibson
Yep.

32:40.53
Adz
Alternate because we're out of the lottery.

32:40.86
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.

32:42.66
Adz
Okay. um I am going to take... Oh, this is a tricky one.

32:52.94
Adz
I think I... I think I take Zach Levine.

32:56.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Well done.

33:01.66
Russell Gibson
um

33:05.31
Russell Gibson
It gets in pretty quickly from here, doesn't it?

33:07.01
Adz
It does, doesn't it?

33:07.80
Russell Gibson
It really, it really slows down. So I think I have to go Marcus Smart. I need someone that can match up with Levine at least and annoy him a little bit.

33:16.25
Adz
um I'm going to stick to the the Aussie side of things and I'm taking Dante Exum.

33:21.79
Russell Gibson
Oh, wow.

33:24.70
Russell Gibson
Do I take Stauskas at this point? That's the the real question. When does Stauskas come off the board?

33:30.15
Adz
When does Stauskas come off the board? I feel like Taco Bell ad. taco bellad

33:40.01
Russell Gibson
I'm going to go a deep cut here. I'm going to go Jeremy Grant at number nine.

33:44.33
Adz
Wow.

33:45.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so he has risen now 30 spots to go to number nine.

33:51.74
Adz
That's pretty crazy, isn't it? Well, not as much as the 40

33:53.94
Russell Gibson
Yep.

33:58.59
Adz
spots that Jokic went up. um Oh, that is that is it Who am I going to take?

34:09.34
Adz
I was gonna take Doug McDermott.

34:13.45
Adz
I think I am.

34:16.37
Adz
I'll take Dougie McBuckets.

34:17.94
Russell Gibson
All right. You can take duck McDermott. I am going to take

34:24.46
Russell Gibson
Spencer Dinwiddie. And the reason I am is because I've actually got quite a long sort of lengthy team and I've only be relying on Marcus smart for my ball handling. And I think that's not going to be a great, uh, outcome. So I think, yeah, Dinwiddie will come in and give me a little bit of ball handling there.

34:41.66
Adz
Nice. I think I need some shooters, so I'm going to get Joe Harris.

34:42.40
Russell Gibson
Yep.

34:45.19
Russell Gibson
Okay.

34:46.13
Adz
text and enjoy Take some Joe. Oh,

34:48.32
Russell Gibson
and He's out of the league now. So I don't know. Are you technically allowed to keep drafting him?

34:52.26
Adz
yeah ah can I take him? I can't take him because he's out?

34:54.91
Russell Gibson
No, you can. of course you can. That'd be fine.

34:56.68
Adz
Oh.

34:56.68
Russell Gibson
But like, um you know, it helps me out.

34:59.29
Adz
True, true.

35:00.69
Russell Gibson
you if I've got like a So Jordan Clarkson is still here. He's low-key a bit of a baller, isn't he?

35:07.19
Adz
I was tempted to take Clarkson.

35:07.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm going to go Clarkson at 13.

35:12.32
Adz
Clarkson. Very nice.

35:13.25
Russell Gibson
yeah

35:13.64
Adz
Very nice. um I'm going to have a backup big. Actually, no. Am I going to go back up big?

35:24.07
Adz
No, I'm going to go Bogdan Bogdanovich.

35:26.70
Russell Gibson
Oh, good pick. Yeah, he's he's a good player.

35:30.07
Adz
Yep.

35:31.86
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, so at 15, am going to actually go back up to the top of the draft and get... Oh no, you've taken McDermott already. That takes him off the board.

35:42.07
Adz
Yep.

35:43.30
Russell Gibson
I will go Gary Harris. He's been a little bit quiet lately, but then after Gary Harris, is definitely a bit of a slippery slope. What do you reckon?

35:50.65
Adz
Alright.

35:50.87
Russell Gibson
Two more picks and we're done?

35:52.12
Adz
Yeah, two more picks. I'll take Clint Capella.

35:53.12
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep. Clint, good choice. And then I think I will round out my draft with the Bosnian bear, Jusif Nurkic.

36:04.69
Adz
God, there's gonna be some scuffles in your locker room. I'll tell you what.

36:09.55
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so I finished up with Embiid, Aaron Gordon, Wiggins, Marcus Smart, Jeremy Grant, Dinwiddie, Clarkson, Gary Harris, and Bosnian Bear.

36:09.62
Adz
um

36:17.13
Russell Gibson
You finished off with Jokic, Randall, Levine, Dante Exum, Dougie McBuckets, Joe Harris, Bogdan Bogdanovich, and Clint Capella.

36:25.66
Adz
Nice.

36:26.59
Russell Gibson
That actually would be a pretty decent game, wouldn't it?

36:28.79
Adz
I think that'd be an interesting little game. It was it was nice to redraft it and and see that there are, there's a few interesting, cat like hobby-wise, um i mean, we're but sort of we've done the draft.

36:40.89
Adz
Do you think there's, in in your status, you think there's much? Like, I mean, obviously Jokic is the card you're looking for in this draft class.

36:48.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so i think I think if we're putting this into sort of categories or stratas, you know, Jokic is an absolute you know right at the top.

36:54.03
Adz
Hmm.

36:58.44
Russell Gibson
I think probably second would still be Embiid, and I would put him into his own little category. And then after that, it's like to me, it's quite grouped together. You've got Aaron Gordon.

37:05.87
Adz
It's a bit PC. Yeah.

37:07.89
Russell Gibson
You've got Julius Randle, you've got Aaron Wiggins who are, you know, nice pieces. But i think in terms of expecting them to spike up quite high, you know, I think that's that's unrealistic these days.

37:18.77
Russell Gibson
And then sort of that next step down, you've got Zach Levine, Marcus Smart, Exum.

37:19.17
Adz
Agreed.

37:23.28
Russell Gibson
And then after that, look, it's a bit of a poo-poo platter hobby-wise, isn't it?

37:23.75
Adz
Yeah.

37:27.04
Russell Gibson
Because you've got Jeremy Grant, McDermott, Dinwiddie, Clarkson, Bogdinovich, Gary Harris, honestly, like...

37:29.30
Adz
Oh, look, you're probably not... you know

37:35.42
Adz
You're in a PC only territory, right?

37:37.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but look, I think that was actually a fun exercise actually go back and you know look at that. And I would say to have that many, like to have Aaron Wiggins as your fifth best player coming out of that draft, I actually think that's a pretty decent draft.

37:48.40
Adz
Yeah.

37:51.70
Russell Gibson
I don't think that this year's draft is going to be that strong. So I think now is the perfect time to thread in ah little bit of box comping. So at the moment, I don't think we need to say where you would blow buy this from, but let's call it Glow Out Cards.

38:01.85
Adz
Yeah.

38:07.64
Russell Gibson
You can go onto a website called Glow Out Cards. um They've actually got hobby boxes, Prism hobby boxes from that year for $5.99. I'm using inverted quotes at the moment on special from $1,249, but you know that's all...

38:20.90
Adz
It's on special. um

38:25.24
Russell Gibson
marketing sort of nonsense, isn't it?

38:25.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

38:26.88
Russell Gibson
But a direct comp to that is this year's hobby, which is currently for sale on, uh, GA card world for $499, uh, USD.

38:39.73
Russell Gibson
So it's like, actually, when you say it like that, to have the prospects

38:44.04
Adz
like, do you know what a Jokic rookie parallels worth?

38:50.47
Russell Gibson
you'd actually be better off ripping a box of the 14, 15 than the ni this year's product. it with only When I say only, with a $100 price difference, I think the upside is you know much more there.

39:01.72
Russell Gibson
Because again, even if you don't hit a yo kick, for the chance that an Embiid, a Randall or a Wiggins, you know I think that's a little bit nicer than um what's coming out of this year's prospects, I think.

39:11.29
Adz
I'm just, the yeah, part part of me just just feels that it's just like, is it worth trying to get the Jokic?

39:15.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

39:25.71
Russell Gibson
I mean, so I think that's a good question, right? i think And actually, I think that's almost an eternal question when it comes to card collectors. Are you better off buying a single or are you better off buying a

39:39.11
Russell Gibson
a sealed box.

39:39.13
Adz
Mm-hmm.

39:40.85
Russell Gibson
And so I think the problem at the moment with Jokic is that he's actually insanely expensive.

39:48.06
Adz
Yeah.

39:48.31
Russell Gibson
And even since we did our last show, which was only a couple of days ago, i actually think some of his cards have sold in the meantime, because I was watching a couple end over the weekend and,

39:59.57
Russell Gibson
And they've sold really high. So the blue number to 199, that just recently sold for 11,000, nearly $12,000 US. Obviously that's PSA 10. So, you know, the chances of getting one out of a box, I would say is, I don't know what the odds are, but it's, it's very, very low, let's talk about a silver. There's obviously more of those silver PSA 10, that last sold for 3,200. So yeah,

40:23.65
Russell Gibson
so

40:27.84
Russell Gibson
All right. So if one box is 600. Oh,

40:30.19
Adz
Hang on. He's not even in that checklist.

40:35.06
Russell Gibson
ah really?

40:35.94
Adz
So it was drafted then, but he didn't debut, so he didn't have a card? Is that the...

40:43.46
Adz
Interesting. Because he's not until 2015-16 product, his rookie card.

40:48.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. Interesting. Do you know actually what that could be? and It could simply be that um you he wasn't included in the and the checklist.

40:54.48
Adz
Because he was a second-round pick.

40:58.07
Adz
Ha, ha.

41:01.86
Adz
Yeah,

41:04.97
Adz
Wow, knowing your...

41:08.72
Russell Gibson
I think we need to go back and rerecord this.

41:11.26
Adz
Yep.

41:15.09
Adz
That's hilarious.

41:18.07
Adz
Yeah, Jokic is in Prism. That's was...

41:21.36
Russell Gibson
Okay. Let's go back. 15, 16.

41:22.63
Adz
that's why i was

41:28.41
Russell Gibson
fifteen sixteen

41:30.48
Adz
Yeah. Do we want to, do we, well, do we want to just go back to the bit where,

41:35.71
Russell Gibson
That's fine. We'll just do it again. Just say, look, now's a good time to thread this in and do the comps.

41:40.35
Adz
oh, okay. We'll just start from that bit.

41:40.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

41:41.67
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

41:41.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

41:41.95
Adz
Cool. Cool. Hang on.

41:46.83
Adz
And then we, then we introduced that as now it's a good time threading comps noting don't go 2014, 15 you're after Jokic. Yep.

41:54.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

41:56.35
Adz
yeah

41:58.03
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So now I think now's a really good time for us to go back and do bit of comping of sealed hobby boxes. So ah small footnote for this episode is that if you are assuming that Yo-Kick was drafted in 2014, that he would be in 14-15 product.

42:06.51
Adz
Yeah.

42:17.57
Russell Gibson
Actually, if you're looking for a Yo-Kick rookie card, he's actually in 15-16.

42:20.00
Adz
Mmm.

42:22.39
Russell Gibson
So and need to give credit to Adam on that little pickup there.

42:26.22
Adz
Yeah, I went to get the checklist and and went, wait a second. why do Why do I want to, why do I feel like I'm looking up the wrong draft for Jokic? And it was, he was drafted.

42:36.63
Adz
It was just the cards weren't printed because even Panini didn't value him as a rookie.

42:41.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

42:43.71
Adz
um Yeah.

42:44.86
Russell Gibson
That's actually been ah an annoyance of mine over the years, if I can talk to about that just really quickly.

42:48.98
Adz
Yeah.

42:49.78
Russell Gibson
If they want to increase print runs, why don't they just put every single draft pick into them?

42:53.98
Adz
Yeah.

42:54.64
Russell Gibson
Like that to me is like an easy win. Why do they need to make 85 different parallels and just make everyone a little bit crazy or crazier, I should say.

43:02.65
Adz
yeah.

43:02.79
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So if you go onto glowoutcards.com, we are not sponsored or endorsed in any shape or form by Glow Out Cards.

43:10.01
Adz
Hmm. Mm

43:10.73
Russell Gibson
um They're actually selling sealed cases of this. So a 12-box case for $30,000 USD. ah For people at home that don't have a calculator for a brain, I have a calculator on hand.

43:21.87
Russell Gibson
That works out to be $2,500 USD per box. So the next discussion comes in, do you buy a sealed box? Or do you just go online and buy a card? And I think at those prices at $2,500, there's not even a conversation about this.

43:37.99
Russell Gibson
You can buy ah silver rookie PSA 10 $3,300. So the way that my maths brain works, I think buying the silver PSA 10, despite the fact that it's gone up so much, and I'm still kicking myself for not purchasing one in the last 12 months,

43:53.38
Adz
Yeah.

43:54.26
Russell Gibson
It's still the better purchase to buy than buying a sealed case of that stuff at $2,500 a box, honestly. um

44:01.23
Adz
That's crazy, isn't it?

44:02.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's what you just said is is the answer. It's just absolutely crazy, you know.

44:07.15
Adz
It's nuts.

44:08.47
Russell Gibson
what some of this stuff is now selling for. In saying that, I probably still think that's not the worst purchase I've ever heard of.

44:10.57
Adz
Yeah.

44:15.52
Russell Gibson
And if there's some high-end collectors out there trying to rip and get some of these great rookies, like it's not a terrible sub list. Like even if you don't hit a Yoke, if you got Embiid, if you got Wiggins, you know, look, it's not $2,500 worth of cards if you get an Embiid and a Wiggins, but at the same time, it's a nice little consolation prize.

44:24.98
Adz
You gotta invade.

44:34.32
Adz
Mmm.

44:36.31
Russell Gibson
So,

44:37.54
Adz
That's true.

44:38.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

44:38.25
Adz
But it's very interesting. Maybe maybe we look at the 2015-16 next episode or in a future time, this moment, do a redraft on that.

44:47.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

44:47.53
Adz
So tell you what, that product just got a bit of a boost with the likes of Kat, Booker and and now Jokic to supplement it.

44:55.20
Russell Gibson
I mean, it, Even if you did a break on that, let's just say that you were a break group and you wanted to do a 12 box case of that. Like that's, that's some really big dollars for Prism, which is still considered, you know, a relatively entry-level product.

45:05.99
Adz
Yeah.

45:10.86
Russell Gibson
think...

45:12.15
Adz
Mm.

45:13.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that to me is almost unsellable, to be honest. I can't imagine know when that would be going on sale and going to be moved on. So just really quickly comping that to this year's product.

45:24.80
Adz
Yep.

45:25.19
Russell Gibson
So this year's product is selling for $500 a box. So basically, it's 5x what this year's product is selling for.

45:29.60
Adz
OK.

45:35.77
Russell Gibson
And i mean, that's a tough one, isn't it?

45:35.78
Adz
Yeah.

45:37.63
Russell Gibson
You know, what's the better purchase? Probably at the end of the day, a Yo-Kick rookie is probably going to top anything that comes out of these boxes, isn't it?

45:47.20
Adz
Yokey ball. Yeah.

45:48.52
Russell Gibson
And just with the higher print run of all this stuff and and the lower print run of, you know, that particular year, it's a really complicated, you know, math equation, but I'm still leaning towards the Yo-Kick stuff being better to purchase.

45:56.82
Adz
Yeah, that's not

46:04.37
Adz
Yep.

46:06.66
Adz
Yep.

46:07.05
Russell Gibson
yeah

46:08.15
Adz
Not all right, I've already I've moved on to 2015 16 product already myself

46:11.98
Russell Gibson
Oh, that's it. The conversation's over, is it? All right.

46:13.61
Adz
i' like I'm like, I'm looking at 2015, 16. But the prices are different, obviously.

46:19.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

46:20.13
Adz
um I mean, you've got Booker Cat and Jokic in that product. But I tell you what, a box hobby box of Prism is not going for 600 bucks.

46:31.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

46:32.97
Adz
Yeah, box Prism is is definitely not. Cases. So a case is going for 30K. So what does that mean a box is going for?

46:43.26
Adz
Jumbo 12 box case. Yeah, there's a lot. It's crazy. And that's probably because of the the Nicola, the the yoke each factor.

46:53.10
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent.

46:54.57
Adz
Yep.

46:55.10
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. Like he's really becoming one of the all timers now. So this is actually a fun one to do just sort of that one massive prospect is, you know, basically carrying a product.

47:02.20
Adz
Yeah.

47:05.51
Russell Gibson
Like we spoke about, you know, Luca carrying the hobby for a little while. And then we spoke about LaMelo carrying it.

47:10.91
Adz
Hmm.

47:11.57
Russell Gibson
But, you know, this is another example of retrospectively somebody just holding up a product, know,

47:14.14
Adz
Yeah.

47:16.96
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

47:18.01
Russell Gibson
All right, Dad.

47:18.33
Adz
That's it. That was fun.

47:19.72
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts?

47:19.97
Adz
That was a lot of fun. Final thoughts. um Wow. What a draft class and interesting how they've snuck the best player of it into the following, the following year's product.

47:30.11
Adz
But um that was a fun draft though.

47:30.60
Russell Gibson
Cheeky buggers. Yep.

47:33.65
Adz
I still got Jokic at number one. So I'm happy with that. And got Randall as well. How good's this?

47:39.94
Russell Gibson
um Can I be honest with you? I'm glad you took Randall. I would never have drafted that guy.

47:46.60
Adz
love you Love him crashing the board. So happy to happy to have him. Awesome. All right. Well, we'll see you in the next one.

47:51.19
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, guys. Thanks heaps.