Episode 204: eBay Reports Billions in Collectibles, Sports Cards Nonsense, Denver Nuggets

This week, we break down the 2023 eBay State of Collectibles Report, which claims millions of Aussies are turning passion into profit. But is that the full story?

We respond to Sports Card Nonsense’s hot take:
🗣️ “If you’re not Jordan, Kobe, or Curry… you’re nothing.”

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 🏀 Nuggets clean house
 📈 Luka returns to Dallas & big SGA sale
 💸 Scottie Barnes buy of the week
 💥 PSA prices are up again
 🚨 Pump & dump on Shaq?

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Transcript

00:00:02.54
Russell Gibson
Talking too much shit.

00:00:05.15
Adz
We've done our post-show chat pre-show.

00:00:09.00
Russell Gibson
Pretty sure.

00:00:11.77
Adz
It's going to start video transmission. Let's do it.

00:00:15.73
Russell Gibson
Tell me when you're ready.

00:00:29.22
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 204 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:41.95
Adz
And we're almost at the end of the regular season.

00:00:46.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. What's up, mate? Hello, everyone. I hope you're a well. Thank you very much for tuning in. Nearly the end of the regular season.

00:00:54.01
Adz
is. What's happening?

00:00:55.21
Russell Gibson
Not that I think anyone's really watching NBA at the moment. I feel like the final four is what everyone's talking about. and

00:01:02.28
Adz
Final four what?

00:01:04.54
Russell Gibson
the

00:01:04.73
Adz
No, mark we're in April now. I don't know.

00:01:09.68
Adz
I actually completely missed um March Madness this year.

00:01:15.56
Russell Gibson
I know nothing about it, honestly. It's one of those things of like, I feel like can barely keep up off with the NBA anymore, so I don't need something else to sort of slow me down.

00:01:24.59
Adz
don't know. I've got the AFL, so...

00:01:26.48
Russell Gibson
But the Houston game was pretty good when they came back and won, and yeah.

00:01:32.07
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true, true, true. And I don't have my head in the sand.

00:01:34.74
Russell Gibson
And now now that we've segued, so Cooper flag is reportedly not going to go into the NBA draft.

00:01:35.52
Adz
I've heard about that one, but...

00:01:42.06
Russell Gibson
I feel like whole bunch of teams this year have been tanking

00:01:44.48
Adz
Unfinished business.

00:01:46.36
Russell Gibson
tanking really hard for this kid and now he's going to go back to college. There's a little bit of shade and forehead comedy on on that one.

00:01:53.82
Adz
ah you Do you reckon he you reckon he's full of it? you reckon it's just it's just an emotional reaction? you reckon he's going do another year in college?

00:02:03.14
Russell Gibson
I just assumed that if Utah got the first pick, he would want to go there.

00:02:08.38
Adz
Interesting.

00:02:09.39
Russell Gibson
i mean, that was my assumption. Anyway.

00:02:13.42
Adz
I don't know.

00:02:14.98
Russell Gibson
Let's talk hobby.

00:02:16.22
Adz
Yeah, let's let's go.

00:02:16.39
Russell Gibson
So we've got a bit to talk about today.

00:02:17.94
Adz
We do.

00:02:18.11
Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about a sports card nonsense segment that they did. We're going to talk about an eBay report that came out and it's basically like a summary of all things collectible, which I thought we could just really quickly weigh in on.

00:02:29.94
Russell Gibson
If you wanted to hear a more targeted or pointed perspective, Grayson from Cherry Collectibles has already done a video on this.

00:02:38.72
Adz
Nice.

00:02:39.07
Russell Gibson
And I think for whatever you want to say about Cherry and all the rest of it, look, Grayson knows the business inside and out. And actually, his videos are generally quite... raw and i feel like sometimes he gives away more information than you would expect him to.

00:02:53.84
Russell Gibson
And I would say the same thing about this video.

00:02:54.34
Adz
Interesting.

00:02:55.44
Russell Gibson
Like he was quite insightful on it.

00:02:55.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:57.04
Russell Gibson
So we're going to talk about the Denver Nuggets. We're going to about Scotty Barnes. We're going to about PSA again, then changing up their pricing and their, their return times. I was going their delay times, but it's a bit of a bit of a mix up of words there, but it's kind of also true.

00:03:08.19
Adz
Mm.

00:03:12.05
Adz
that's ah It's okay. There's going to be plenty of Freudian slips ahead. I've looked through the run sheets.

00:03:15.48
Russell Gibson
yep And look, we might actually run out of things to talk about today. And if we do, we'll just do some comps on card letter. I feel like that's the best way to fill time. and

00:03:25.64
Adz
Well, that's the best way, especially with our title. It's probably poetic that we but comp this at the end of the show.

00:03:30.73
Russell Gibson
That's right.

00:03:34.76
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, so let's talk eBay reports because I think this is interesting and just a little bit of back-end. eBay actually didn't do the report. So what they did was they gave all of their back-end data to Deloitte, which is like this lawyer slash consultancy agency that go and do a whole bunch of work.

00:03:50.02
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:03:53.93
Russell Gibson
You might have heard them in the news recently. i think they're up to some pretty dodgy business with them doing some negotiations with some banks and the Australian government, but you know, I'm sure what they did for eBay was all above board and there was no dodgy reporting there.

00:04:09.23
Russell Gibson
So there's a few like different sources. You can go straight to the source. There's a 36 page report. um Hopefully they're going to release a more graphical one because looking back at previous years, they did these really beautiful like, you know, 10 or 12 page summaries that just had like graphs and tables and stuff.

00:04:22.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:24.27
Russell Gibson
I couldn't see anything as beautiful as that. um But there was some stuff on LinkedIn you can find. There's an article that's actually really well written from a website called MI3.

00:04:34.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:35.61
Russell Gibson
if you want to Google MI-3 and then the eBay report, you'll find that on the internet really easily.

00:04:38.14
Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
So I thought I'll just open the table, put this to you. you know, what did you think about reading through some of this stuff? You know, what were the things that popped out to you?

00:04:51.15
Adz
Well, well but to to to to give a brief overview ah to to the listeners, this article is pretty much, or sorry, this report, I'll read the title, Millions of Aussies Turning Passions to Profit by Investing in Collectibles, ah reveals eBay State of Collectibles Report 2023.

00:05:13.30
Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Adz
So basically, people are turning their hobbies into um obviously we we play a part in a hobby of sorts, but there are a lot of people, a lot of different people that collect a lot of different things.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:05:26.98
Adz
um It can go from shoes to handbags to anything that you think someone else may want to purchase off you is is would be deemed a collectible of sorts.

00:05:37.91
Adz
So, yeah, a lot of very interesting insights, a lot of very, I don't know, That's data-based reporting as well.

00:05:49.29
Adz
So it's not that we suspect people are investing in things they like as literally investments um and putting a lot of money into into things that they think will will' appreciate in value.

00:05:58.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep.

00:06:06.74
Adz
Yeah, I just think it's a very interesting state of play, I guess, post-COVID.

00:06:06.83
Russell Gibson
yeah

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Russell Gibson
yeah

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Adz
um I think a lot of this was identified within, and I don't like to sort of target society in a way, but I think the the world of collecting really opened up to the to the mainstream when the world shut down for COVID because we we had a lot of time on our hands. We were like, what do we do?

00:06:36.74
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:06:36.85
Adz
Yeah. Collecting things became really mainstream.

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Russell Gibson
Yep. Yeah. And look, I think to take your point, think a lot of these things were happening anyway, but COVID pushed people with a much greater focus into that.

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Adz
Mm. Mm.

00:06:51.36
Russell Gibson
So yeah, I would definitely agree with that sort of sentiment there.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
What was the biggest thing that took you like a number or a sentence out of this? You know, what was something that surprised you? I think that's probably the big one thing to really talk about here.

00:07:06.93
Adz
Um, it was, the well, I, had I had, just only glanced over it, but the LinkedIn one that you sent through, the editor's pick, the total value of Australians collectibles has soared to an estimated $16.8 billion.

00:07:23.59
Adz
dollars And that one in three adults now actively participate in collecting.

00:07:24.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:32.24
Adz
I'm not like the odd guy in the office anymore. I'm kind of a ah one in three statistic.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:39.31
Adz
That's, that's, yeah.

00:07:39.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I would i definitely agree with that too. I think that total number says a lot. And I think that, you know we're talking about huge amounts of dollars here.

00:07:47.50
Adz
Yep.

00:07:47.72
Russell Gibson
I think the, probably the caveat to add to that is that it's not just NBA cards that we're talking about. Like that's, it's all collectibles. And I think that's probably good and bad for our podcast.

00:07:57.84
Russell Gibson
I think it's obviously it's bad because it's not just talking about basketball cards, but on the good side, it's actually good to sort of sometimes look outside of your hobby and sort of see what else is going on.

00:08:02.67
Adz
me

00:08:07.20
Adz
yep

00:08:07.79
Russell Gibson
And so I think obviously, i think the really big one for me is sneakers. I think that sort of, that angle of collecting is something I'm not, I've got no knowledge of at all, but just to see the scale of that and to see the impact on that.

00:08:20.35
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

00:08:24.02
Russell Gibson
And I think the other one that they were talking about too, that it's really caught me by a surprise. I think toys is a pretty obvious one. And that's the type of one I think,

00:08:31.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:33.02
Russell Gibson
I think obviously people are buying them, but I feel like the people that are selling toys might not be actually people who are hardcore into, you know, flipping toys. Like that could be something that's sitting in garage.

00:08:43.51
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:08:43.85
Russell Gibson
You've come up on hard times. Then you need to sell some stuff to get a bit of money back. And then, you know, you're very happy to sell like, you know, something that's now collectible, right? I kind of, I get that.

00:08:52.81
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And people identified with that.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So that was one of the statistics that I did want to sort of meld in here.

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Adz
Okay. Yeah.

00:09:00.27
Russell Gibson
40% of surveyed collectors have a financial objective when collecting. And so you're like, i need to get back X amount of dollars for this. And that sort of 40% versus 60% of collectors, I actually think that's a really good way to look at them.

00:09:08.96
Adz
Hmm.

00:09:16.20
Russell Gibson
But I also think too, if we're being, I think that's a very gray number. I think that's fine. You know, a number is a number and it's good to talk about.

00:09:23.73
Adz
Sure.

00:09:24.07
Russell Gibson
But at the end of the day, unless you're only selling, you're always going to be collecting a little bit. And of course you need to keep the dollars in mind because then you need to know what you need to sell it for in the future.

00:09:32.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:35.58
Russell Gibson
If you are going to make, try and make a profit.

00:09:38.11
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
um And also to make sure your budget is right. Like you can't just go willy nilly spending your thousands of dollars you don't have. Like I think, yeah.

00:09:44.04
Adz
Yeah, correct.

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Russell Gibson
So yes, that number is important, but I also say too, like, i think that is a very gray number for me.

00:09:51.47
Adz
Yep. I mean, i could have I could have probably gone, I reckon we could have gone a whole show on this topic.

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Russell Gibson
um

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Adz
I could very easily go down a number of rabbit holes on this on this topic.

00:10:01.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:10:02.90
Adz
I think it's...

00:10:03.65
Russell Gibson
Well, let me bang this out and then I'll send it back over to you and you can go down a rabbit hole. How does that sound?

00:10:07.69
Adz
Uh-oh, this is going to be fun.

00:10:08.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:08.98
Adz
Yep.

00:10:09.26
Russell Gibson
So the thing that, okay, this is, we definitely need to talk about this. So the most commonly collected items of coins, 36%, Lego, 33%, toys, 26% and sneakers, 22%.

00:10:20.41
Russell Gibson
And I think that for me, that's really interesting because obviously bo basketball cards aren't even mentioned at all.

00:10:21.10
Adz
Yep.

00:10:23.91
Adz
Where are the trading cards? Yeah. Well, trading cards in general. Like, ill granted, as a, yeah.

00:10:29.85
Russell Gibson
That's where I was leading to next. And we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago in terms of scale and what's happening in terms of sales. Pokemon is, you know, yeah, and far ahead of NBA at the moment.

00:10:39.07
Adz
Exploding.

00:10:42.57
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:10:43.14
Russell Gibson
So i that in that sentence there, you know, that doesn't get mentioned at all. And so I think that's really interesting, suppose, to keep context of whilst, well, but maybe it's just my own perspective here, whilst I think basketball was the most important thing.

00:10:57.64
Russell Gibson
And we get so caught up on like PSA, slow return times and da, da, da, da. Actually, like it doesn't even factor into the top five.

00:11:03.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:07.61
Adz
Yeah, no.

00:11:07.78
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, I think that's a really interesting one. What did you want to go down a rabbit hole on?

00:11:14.99
Adz
Well, ah for me, it it's one of those things that until you understand the broader point in collecting, um you don't know how how how effect how much of an effect it has

00:11:27.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:33.55
Adz
on on the bigger community, like you like handbags. How many of us would have thought the handbags would be considered collectibles? But like the the eBay report there talks about ah like different brands of of Louis Vuitton handbags and how much they were worth in 2019 versus what they're worth in 2022 and the the increase there.

00:11:52.50
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:11:53.72
Adz
We obviously have seen the explosion of Pokemon cards, basketball cards.

00:11:56.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:58.55
Adz
And when you we talked about that numbers of, people that were just in it for for monetary gain. We experienced this in COVID with the the sports cards investors.

00:12:09.92
Adz
And we've said recently in in the lull of the hobby that they've jumped ship to an extent.

00:12:16.84
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:12:17.01
Adz
um but But it was, and i'll I recall a lot of these videos through COVID and I guess that's where the most Gary V content I watched was um was around that time of COVID.

00:12:29.88
Adz
pre-COVID, post-COVID, but it's when he kind of exploded. But it was the going to garage sales and finding what, like looking for bargains for things that are collectible to resell.

00:12:44.19
Adz
um it's But it's interesting to see how much people have got invested.

00:12:49.56
Russell Gibson
I think that's a different type of collecting to what we do on this podcast because we're so, we're so MBA centric, but I think people that go to say garage sales or they go to op shops,

00:12:53.87
Adz
um most most definitely. But like,

00:13:02.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:03.27
Russell Gibson
they have sort of a more broader general knowledge of what sells and what this could be worth on the secondary market.

00:13:08.24
Adz
Mm.

00:13:10.64
Adz
Yep.

00:13:10.86
Russell Gibson
And so I think that's a completely different skill set again to what we do, because I feel like what we do on this podcast is talk about what's happening in the current and NBA landscape and then try to reflect.

00:13:21.44
Adz
ah Under that umbrella. Yeah.

00:13:23.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And then try to reflect that back on, you know, how that might influence the hobby.

00:13:27.04
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:13:27.17
Russell Gibson
i think that's in one sentence, if that's how we summarize our podcast, I think that's what we do.

00:13:33.86
Adz
Yeah, we we report we report on a very niche aspect.

00:13:34.14
Russell Gibson
And so,

00:13:38.52
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:13:39.40
Russell Gibson
yeah, so I think what you're talking about there is, ah by the way, I think that's really relevant to the conversation, but I also, what I'm trying to comment here is I think that's just like, it's two separate things. And it might be that there are some people in MBA that also, you know, do go out and do that. In fact, no doubt they do. Because I think...

00:13:54.93
Russell Gibson
There is that sort of flipping, collecting sort of like element to it.

00:13:57.36
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:58.91
Russell Gibson
But I really think that's like a different sort like kettle the fish altogether, unless you're going to a garage sale and you find basketball cards.

00:13:58.99
Adz
yeah

00:14:05.65
Russell Gibson
But again, like we just pointed that out with like how like niche this is, you know, it's not that often it's going to be happening, is it? Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:12.71
Adz
It's although might it, that's that's the other part, you know what I mean? Like maybe it is something that um is growing and and look, yeah, sure. it's It wasn't named in the top few, but I don't think,

00:14:26.25
Adz
um

00:14:28.86
Adz
I think there's is there's the biggest growth in in our space and the numbers of the scale. Like to bring it back to what we do in our hobby, it's it's the percentages.

00:14:38.17
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:14:41.07
Adz
right we We see gradual growth of collectibles over time. And and you're right, like in the broader sense, the garage sale garage salepeop the the ones that buy handbags and things, they're this slow burn, this slow return.

00:14:54.84
Adz
Our market, and Pokemon cards are the the most recent example, basketball cards in 2022 were the other example, was things where where you're seeing between 800 over cards.

00:15:03.66
Russell Gibson
An exponential.

00:15:09.85
Adz
increases in carbons

00:15:10.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. On some things. Yeah.

00:15:11.74
Adz
Yeah, rather than something going, oh my God, 200% increase on this coin, that's unheard of.

00:15:12.66
Russell Gibson
And

00:15:17.55
Adz
And we're sitting here going, there are things that are a bit like 1,500 to 2,000%.

00:15:23.01
Russell Gibson
well, the example this year is SGA, isn't it? He's the one who's had that like exponential growth in the last 12 months. Yeah.

00:15:29.30
Adz
Yeah, that eBay report shows that

00:15:30.39
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:32.90
Adz
speaking broader broader still um that ebay report shows that While we might be a niche industry in basketball cards, collecting as a a as i something to do with a purpose in mind is a lot more broad and a lot more spread out and common than you might give it credit.

00:15:54.56
Russell Gibson
yeah Hey, I just got a question for you about COVID.

00:15:59.83
Adz
Hmm.

00:16:00.07
Russell Gibson
You said that people in COVID were sports cards investors. But do now that you look back on it, do you actually think that's what people were? were they just like spending money a little bit willy-nilly because they didn't have like too much better to do Seemed like a pretty fun thing to do. You might be able to make a bit of money out of it.

00:16:18.94
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? as opposed to hardcore. like How many actual hardcore investors do you know? in the hobby space. Cause I feel like I could probably name, say maybe two or three.

00:16:31.00
Adz
yeah

00:16:31.73
Russell Gibson
I feel like I'm, I know enough people within the hobby to do that, but i' would say most people that I sort of know or associate with, yeah, of course like they're buying and selling cards, but mostly they're collecting. Do you know where I'm going with this?

00:16:44.30
Adz
That's interesting because i because my memory of the, and we'll call it the sports card investor space, and I use that very broadly, but it i can't buy I couldn't buy product because bots were buying it because the the the groups of investors were taking everything.

00:16:45.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:50.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It is a very broad term, isn't it?

00:16:54.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. That was,

00:16:58.03
Russell Gibson
It was insane, wasn't it? It was absolutely insane. Yeah.

00:17:01.12
Adz
And it was, they were they were they were investing and and reselling it to make profit.

00:17:04.03
Russell Gibson
So, yeah. And those days are officially over too. So there's been posts post online about this recently, like people going to Walmarts and going to Targets and the aisles are just filled of stock, just like, you know, top to bottom.

00:17:08.58
Adz
For sure.

00:17:16.81
Adz
Yeah, with product. Unless it's Pokemon products, in which case everyone's punching on for it, but.

00:17:20.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Actually, they are punching on, yeah. Hey, in this eBay report, they've actually got a couple of cards in there, so we might well read through these ones. So this is the average prices and price growth for the selected trading cards.

00:17:28.49
Adz
Yes.

00:17:32.13
Russell Gibson
There's actually Pokemon in here, but we'll do it. 1999, base set Charizard, unlimited holo. Average price in 2019 300.

00:17:38.16
Adz
No,

00:17:38.66
Russell Gibson
Average price 2022. Am through an old report? Yep. average price in twenty twenty two am i reading through an old report

00:17:46.11
Adz
no, no this is this is the price increase. this is This is stuff from the 2023 report. So the 2023 report takes in into consideration the jump from 2019 2022.

00:17:53.84
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:17:56.63
Adz
That's massive. $300.

00:18:01.86
Russell Gibson
ah seven hundred and ninety

00:18:04.42
Adz
it's massive three hundred

00:18:04.67
Russell Gibson
seven hundred and ninety percent increase ye

00:18:06.74
Adz
300 bucks to 2,400.

00:18:09.20
Russell Gibson
86 Fleer PSA 7, which I think from our podcast show perspective, that's a good one because that shows price point, um accessibility, 2,000 to 10,000, 400% increase.

00:18:14.66
Adz
Yep.

00:18:19.36
Russell Gibson
725% increase. That's two thousand and sixteen evolutions boost a box two hundred to one thousand three hundred seven hundred and twenty five percent increase

00:18:26.92
Adz
That's crazy. i i was I had a local game store that had those and they were dime a dozen.

00:18:28.42
Russell Gibson
that's a

00:18:33.04
Russell Gibson
That's a juicy flip.

00:18:34.26
Adz
Yep.

00:18:36.20
Russell Gibson
2003, 2004, tops LeBron James rookie card BGS 9.5, 600 to 220, 245%. So I think my next comment on that is probably going to start link us into our next segment, which is the sports card nonsense, guys.

00:18:49.33
Russell Gibson
And essentially that was their pitch is that unless you're LeBron, Kobe or Jordan, everything else is dog shit at the moment. So i think that's ah that's an interesting one too at the top of list.

00:18:57.68
Adz
Wow. Yeah, yeah.

00:19:02.05
Russell Gibson
Um, final thoughts on this eBay thing, Adam, we'll go to a break, mate. What do you reckon?

00:19:06.08
Adz
Yeah, it's a good idea. we' probably We've probably gone for for a little longer than normal on it. um

00:19:11.68
Russell Gibson
What's your takeaway?

00:19:11.90
Adz
But yeah, I like it.

00:19:12.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:13.41
Adz
One in three people is a collector. So people, as as quirky as collecting sports cards might be,

00:19:15.30
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:19:20.12
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:19:21.65
Adz
Maybe when it just comes to general collecting, people understand a bit more.

00:19:26.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think for me, this is really positive because it actually shows like the true total numbers. And this is pure analytics. Like this is not some influencer spruiking these numbers, like saying this, saying that. It's like, okay, there's $16.8 billion dollars of collectibles in Australia.

00:19:45.46
Russell Gibson
And so for all these like knuckleheads saying, you know, the the hobby is dead and all this type of stuff. Well, hang on a minute. $16.8 billion dollars is not dead. And I think I'm going to carry that sentiment onto our next segment where we're going to talk about what sports car nonsense was talking about. It's like, well,

00:20:03.42
Russell Gibson
I think it's a very simplistic way to look at the hobby if that's just what your like initial reaction or your last reaction is. And so I think this is the type of stuff where it actually like reinforces that we should be happy in this space and we should be enjoying it.

00:20:17.51
Russell Gibson
you know So, yeah.

00:20:18.23
Adz
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. All right, let's let's let's take a quick break.

00:20:25.80
Russell Gibson
Game Time International. Thank you very much for your ongoing support. Go to GameTimeInternational.com. You will find the world's best magnetics there.

00:20:39.06
Russell Gibson
Now, at the moment...

00:20:43.47
Russell Gibson
Game Time International has been putting up a whole bunch of content. They've been hitting hobby shows. They've been cracking slabs left, right, and center, which is probably something I need to talk to you a little bit about, Ad.

00:20:55.48
Russell Gibson
How do you feel about Game Time International cracking slabs and then putting them into one-touches?

00:21:03.07
Adz
How do I feel about it?

00:21:04.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:05.74
Adz
Are they my slabs?

00:21:10.38
Adz
Are they other people's slabs?

00:21:10.86
Russell Gibson
They're other people's slabs.

00:21:12.97
Adz
Oh, that's fine. I don't have a problem.

00:21:13.95
Russell Gibson
Obviously, they're doing it with consent.

00:21:15.56
Adz
I was going to say, is it is this with or without consent? Because that concerns me a little bit. But, you know, if people want them cracked out of the slab safely and put into these very, yeah very appealing one touches. Yeah, that's cool.

00:21:31.33
Russell Gibson
My OCD is what happens to the the tags afterwards. Do they get returned back to BGS or PC? Okay.

00:21:38.72
Adz
Ooh.

00:21:38.87
Russell Gibson
I might even follow that up with him, to be honest.

00:21:40.97
Adz
Burnt.

00:21:43.72
Russell Gibson
How do we get onto this? Let's get back to the ad.

00:21:45.00
Adz
Anyway.

00:21:45.83
Russell Gibson
Anyway, so the ad is, so at the moment, they've got, ah actually, they' got an excellent video up. So they've got a John Stockton card in a in it different type of OneTouch. It doesn't matter like what brand it is.

00:21:57.82
Russell Gibson
And they're showing how the the card is moving up and down inside the OneTouch. And I think that is um that is a massive negative about OneTouch's And then they go on to show how it goes into their sleeve.

00:22:09.41
Russell Gibson
It sits into the magnetic perfectly. And then it demonstrates how there's no shake at all in the cards. Look, again, I think this is another really good example of just the quality of their products, understanding what collectors need, how to actually protect cards,

00:22:24.83
Russell Gibson
um And again, the finish on them is just absolutely amazing. So they've got the the piece of plastic that goes over the OneTouch. When you pull it out, you remove that protective layer so that your OneTouch is absolutely flawless.

00:22:39.18
Russell Gibson
Guys, check them out. If you haven't seen GTI OneTouches, do yourself a favor, get out there, pick some up, put them into your collection. They're just absolutely amazing stuff. So thank you very much to team GTI.

00:22:56.02
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How are you doing?

00:22:57.59
Adz
We are. I'm great. I'm great.

00:23:00.47
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Sports cards nonsense. Shout out to the guy. Shout out to Jesse. Shout out to Mike Gio. We love you. So whatever we're about to say,

00:23:09.23
Adz
yeah your your your Your cousin, Jesse Gibson.

00:23:15.20
Russell Gibson
We are absolutely related. um We just have never met and we live in separate countries, but that's okay. You know? Yeah. all Alrighty.

00:23:26.30
Russell Gibson
So they had a guest on recently on their podcast. So I actually found this on YouTube shorts and I'm sure they said this to trigger people.

00:23:32.02
Adz
Okay.

00:23:35.17
Russell Gibson
And they've got a reasonable amount of um responses on their Instagram page about this 100%. And there's some really good responses, by the way, too, not just like um hate responses coming back.

00:23:47.35
Russell Gibson
But essentially what their guest said was, if your name is not Michael Jordan, Steph Curry or Kobe Bryant, everything else in the market is just absolutely awful.

00:23:58.58
Russell Gibson
So I think that we should take this very short sound bite and we should actually break it down and answer it appropriately.

00:23:58.83
Adz
yeah

00:24:07.24
Russell Gibson
So just say you were part of this conversation. What would you add to this conversation? How would you respond to that?

00:24:14.38
Adz
I would say we've been here before in the hobby.

00:24:21.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:22.52
Adz
And I mean, we touched on obviously sports card investors earlier, but, but it's, yeah, if you're looking for something that's liquid, that's,

00:24:28.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:34.69
Adz
um that's like quickly movable, you're right. Like, I get it. ah get it. But if you want to flip after three days and your money, those days are gone.

00:24:49.01
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:24:49.57
Adz
And yeah, you get the FOMO element release day pulls and that's where there's spikes, right?

00:24:54.53
Russell Gibson
COVID was an aberration that couldn't continue.

00:24:57.62
Adz
Sure.

00:24:57.69
Russell Gibson
So let's, yeah.

00:24:57.86
Adz
But before COVID, there was still, there was value in the hobby, but it just wasn't 10x. and And I think people need to change the the lens with which they look at the trading card world.

00:25:11.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:14.01
Adz
um yeah, you're not going to be able to spend $50 and make $5,000.

00:25:19.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:20.59
Adz
You're going to get, for $50, you're probably going to get a $20 card and some other stuff, and then maybe that $20 card becomes a $60 card. But if that if you're there for the magical lottery ticket flip, then you're here for the wrong reasons.

00:25:37.83
Adz
That's my thought on it.

00:25:40.29
Russell Gibson
Yep. No, I think you've covered it in a different way to what I would have like gone on about it. So I actually think that was a good answer. And I think you also covered it in a different way. So when you said that $50, are you saying that you were going to buy a pack or a blaster box?

00:25:53.28
Adz
Pack a blaster. A blaster, yeah.

00:25:55.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:56.25
Adz
Yeah. I'm going to buy blaster. I'm not expecting to a $2,500 Wemby rookie or something. Well, there's no Wemby in this draft class, right?

00:26:02.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:04.22
Adz
So...

00:26:07.10
Russell Gibson
yep

00:26:07.83
Adz
they they're They're alluding to like this reel or this short is talking about you buy your $50 blaster and you're going to get a $40 Stefan Castle because the draft class is trash.

00:26:08.09
Russell Gibson
yeah's

00:26:18.45
Russell Gibson
All

00:26:21.07
Adz
Sure, in their rookie year, they haven't been amazing.

00:26:26.29
Adz
There's a guy named Cade Cunningham that was And we're now in 2025 and everyone's like, oh, let's get on Cade.

00:26:33.59
Russell Gibson
all right. So actually I think they were speaking about three different things. So I think I'll address the first one, which was the, if you're not Kobe, Michael Jordan,

00:26:39.47
Adz
Jordan. so

00:26:45.34
Russell Gibson
You're nothing. So I think the first thing to answer but back to that is if that is what you think, I think that you're not looking at the market hard enough. And so we've been speaking about, so does the two that come straight to my head straight away is Jokic.

00:27:01.34
Russell Gibson
Like we've been talking about him um being a slow burn, getting onto the train now, because this is going to be good in a couple of years.

00:27:04.74
Adz
Yep.

00:27:09.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:09.77
Russell Gibson
And they essentially that couple of years became 12 months. And so now almost feel like I did not get onto the train.

00:27:15.12
Adz
People are on the train. Yeah.

00:27:17.34
Russell Gibson
you know, I've missed that train. So that's someone who's gone up. That's not named Michael Jordan. Yeah. The other one that's gone up a lot this year to the point that I'm actually worried about it is our boy SGA.

00:27:29.34
Russell Gibson
So that's, that's two people. Okay.

00:27:32.32
Adz
I'm concerned that's a a potential bubble that will burst but

00:27:36.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So the other one we could talk about too is LeBron James, because he's also not mentioned um in his top three. And I probably think that was a mistake on him because it's,

00:27:50.98
Russell Gibson
what he was doing was a very, very short take. So let's just say he intended he intended to mention LeBron, but but he didn't.

00:27:54.16
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, yeah.

00:27:59.27
Russell Gibson
So I have to then mention LeBron James because I think at the moment um LeBron is not cheap, but at the same time, I think if you're going to be putting someone away for the long term, I think that will be totally fine.

00:28:12.57
Adz
Yes.

00:28:13.71
Russell Gibson
I think the LeBron market is going to change over the next 12 to 24 months because he'll be signing with Fanatics.

00:28:19.43
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:28:20.64
Russell Gibson
And I think we're going to be seeing a lot more LeBron autographs. So you do have to keep that in mind as you're purchasing LeBron autographs today. But that's a separate issue for today.

00:28:29.13
Adz
Again, separate. Yep.

00:28:30.73
Russell Gibson
Luka Doncic, I think, is a very strong buy at the moment because... for as stupid as Nico Harrison is for trading him away for um an injured NBA player and no future draft equity, Luka Droncic is probably, if he's not going to be a top two or three player for the next 10 years, it's going to be very much surprising me because he's just that skilled.

00:28:54.57
Russell Gibson
He's in Los Angeles. He's going to have the media around him.

00:28:56.14
Adz
Yep.

00:28:57.95
Russell Gibson
He's going to have a good team around him. look Los Angeles always does it. So we've got that.

00:29:02.16
Adz
Yeah, they rebuild very quickly. Yep, you're right.

00:29:04.07
Russell Gibson
Then we had Wilt Chamberlain with a $1 million dollars sale of his rookie card this year, which was then immediately resold at private sale and graded with PSA. So you could make a very strong argument that in a month or so on one Wilt Chamberlain card, about $2 million dollars rolled through it.

00:29:26.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah?

00:29:27.58
Adz
Yep, I would agree.

00:29:29.71
Russell Gibson
Wemby is probably holding up the hobby at the moment, despite having clot in his arm.

00:29:36.64
Adz
Yep.

00:29:36.95
Russell Gibson
And we've highlighted this the last couple of weeks. We were expecting a large dip on this guy. Let's buy the dip. We haven't seen a dip as of yet. He was down about, what, 4% the last time we looked.

00:29:46.04
Adz
Yep.

00:29:49.32
Russell Gibson
Moving outside of that, we've also got Caitlin Clark, who has sold for the highest woman's trading card in history. So she outsold Serena Williams.

00:30:01.09
Adz
do we Do we include WNBA in the in the NBA trading card space though?

00:30:05.74
Russell Gibson
um I think you can, because if he's saying, if you're not Jordan and Kobe and Steph, well, actually, there is a new player in the game, and that's Caitlin Clark.

00:30:13.51
Adz
they're They're in, yep.

00:30:14.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:15.45
Adz
Yeah, fair. Fair guy.

00:30:16.50
Russell Gibson
um Stepping outside of that. Now, this is this is the next tier down or the next two tiers down, but this is just, you know, to my own heart.

00:30:23.89
Adz
Yep.

00:30:24.34
Russell Gibson
I think Hakeem Olajuwon is a very good long-term purchase at the moment.

00:30:28.88
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:30:29.74
Russell Gibson
And I think a lot of people disagree with me on that, and I think that's totally fine. And then one step further down is Polo Banchero. i think in terms of his size, his skill, what he's already shown, how good he's made that Orlando Magic team in a very short period of time, in addition to his current pricing.

00:30:47.65
Adz
Yep.

00:30:49.83
Russell Gibson
Look, I i don't think his current pricing is dirt cheap, but I also think, too, if you're looking to make a medium-sized

00:30:58.21
Adz
Mm.

00:30:58.36
Russell Gibson
purchase with a higher upside. You know, I think like what I'm trying to say is if you're not looking to bargain basement to try and prospect on something, you want something that's a bit more solidified.

00:31:00.39
Adz
Mm.

00:31:08.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:08.05
Russell Gibson
I think Banchero is a really good place to start. So, you know, just off the top of my head, we've just named eight people.

00:31:10.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:14.87
Adz
You named a fair few there.

00:31:16.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think that, yeah.

00:31:17.44
Adz
You've taken a couple off the list that I would have given, but...

00:31:20.16
Russell Gibson
So who would, so who would you add to that list outside of what I've just said?

00:31:24.10
Adz
So you um you Luka and Jokic, I think, were pretty obvious.

00:31:26.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:27.51
Adz
SGA, I would take off the list because I think it's ah it's going to be an up-down for me, and that's my prediction.

00:31:27.66
Russell Gibson
I mean,

00:31:32.47
Russell Gibson
sure.

00:31:34.01
Adz
so that's But at the moment, he's going through the roof, so you're spot on.

00:31:34.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:31:36.96
Russell Gibson
But he's been ah I still think that's a counter argument to what he said though, right?

00:31:38.75
Adz
Spot on, yeah,

00:31:40.54
Russell Gibson
Because you kind of say, oh, all these people are nothing compared to that.

00:31:40.78
Adz
Exactly right.

00:31:44.17
Adz
um we've seen, i think I touched on Cade because I think Cade is evidence that that resurgence, that thirty year three, year four, there's a leap.

00:31:51.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:53.12
Adz
So don't don't rubbish out on the draft class in year one, right?

00:31:55.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and he's done very well these last 12 months. yeah

00:31:58.25
Adz
So I think Cade's back on the rise.

00:32:00.46
Russell Gibson
He's done really well, yeah.

00:32:00.69
Adz
um

00:32:01.46
Russell Gibson
And that has actually exceeded my expectations.

00:32:04.21
Adz
one One that I'm, and and this is where we talk about, mean, I'll go back in time and I'll say, I think Shaq's got a lot of presence still.

00:32:04.38
Russell Gibson
yeah We're going to talk about Shaq later in the show.

00:32:13.01
Adz
in the collecting space.

00:32:14.81
Russell Gibson
Yep, so you can shoot your shot now or hold it till later.

00:32:15.10
Adz
So I'll hold it till later, but I think he's definitely not one that is zeroed out in the hobby and is beloved amongst, heit has had his impact on the league and still does to this day, right?

00:32:17.76
Russell Gibson
That's up to you. Yep.

00:32:29.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:30.32
Adz
He's in the media, he transitioned to the media. So he's still a very big presence um in in the hobby, so to speak.

00:32:38.55
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:32:39.69
Adz
ah But to go to come back to the the current generation, the torch has always passed. There is always a new face to the league. And and one name that I think cannot be discounted, well, two names.

00:32:47.94
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:32:54.13
Adz
I'll say Anthony Edwards and I'll say Jason Tatum. these are These are players that may not be the instant impact players that you think they are, but we saw the the the spike from Ant last year.

00:33:13.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so look...

00:33:14.09
Adz
That kid, that kid has the personality to be the next, and this is why he spiked. He was the next Kobe slash Jordan, right?

00:33:24.15
Russell Gibson
Man, i okay, look, without going into his um current paternity situation um and child support payments, I think that he...

00:33:35.01
Russell Gibson
ah

00:33:35.13
Adz
Suffers with too much confidence?

00:33:36.56
Russell Gibson
He has a lot of confidence and a hell of a lot of personality. I will i will grant you that. My concern with him, though, look at his market cap and look at the people who are below Anthony Edwards.

00:33:48.39
Russell Gibson
They have done a lot. And so my concern with Anthony Edwards at the moment, so if you're buying to Edwards now, I'm like, honestly, I feel like you've got a 50-50 chance. You've got a 50% chance it'll go up, but you've you might even have a 60% chance that it's going to come down.

00:33:59.24
Adz
Sure.

00:34:04.41
Adz
my critic ah i'll I'll segue quickly to my criticism of market cap because the SGA market cap, no one spent that money on SGA.

00:34:04.41
Russell Gibson
You know, that's where I'm at with him. Yeah.

00:34:08.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:12.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:14.87
Russell Gibson
Well, some have.

00:34:15.56
Adz
so a couple of people did and took all of the other cards with it.

00:34:17.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

00:34:19.94
Adz
So the the real picture there

00:34:20.12
Russell Gibson
but But I think market cap is good at, like, I agree with you, but you also can't discount it. Like, look through market cap and sometimes you're like that guy shouldn't be up there.

00:34:28.63
Adz
Sure. But then you've got pop count, right?

00:34:29.05
Russell Gibson
That guy's too low. Yeah.

00:34:31.51
Adz
So you've got a pop count that's high. So as soon as there's a – if the card doubles in price.

00:34:33.87
Russell Gibson
Totally. The number of cards matters. Absolutely.

00:34:37.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:37.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:37.82
Adz
Yeah. but But I think Anthony Edwards um is Yeah.

00:34:41.06
Russell Gibson
And Tatum's a good one for the opposite reasons. I think he's undervalued. I really do. You know, I think if we're looking at total career, yeah and like that guy is as being good.

00:34:50.67
Adz
And he's been around – he's almost been – he's pushed –

00:34:53.25
Russell Gibson
And no one is talking about the Celtics this year, which to me is a really good thing for that. All right.

00:34:57.61
Adz
there's ah There's a lot of Lakers Celtics talk being doused about.

00:35:01.89
Russell Gibson
But the other thing they touched on really quickly then was ah what they were really alluding to was flipping boxes and breaks.

00:35:08.34
Adz
Of course. And that's once it, and I, yeah.

00:35:09.09
Russell Gibson
Okay? And so I think the optics of that to me is really poor because I think break is crying poor and we've seen it, you know, on people have made reels about it on whatnot and all this type of stuff.

00:35:21.15
Russell Gibson
And look, it is frustrating. Like if you are not getting an outcome that you want, I get that 100%.

00:35:23.52
Adz
That's fine.

00:35:26.34
Russell Gibson
But I would also say too, going on a massive media podcast and, you know, complaining about the flip is no good at the moment. But yeah, that's to me no good.

00:35:34.13
Adz
yeah

00:35:36.28
Russell Gibson
and Then they really quickly talked about autographs too. And I think that's a completely separate argument altogether. But so I think there's world finances that are happening at the moment that's impacting the hobby and the ability to sell breaks and flip boxes.

00:35:51.44
Russell Gibson
And that's what he's talking about there.

00:35:51.53
Adz
Sure.

00:35:53.05
Russell Gibson
I would also say too, It's very fragmented at the moment within the hobby space because, for example, the easy one for us is Wemby.

00:35:59.51
Adz
We're position of...

00:36:03.05
Russell Gibson
Wemby didn't sign with Panini. And that has absolutely impacted a collector's ability to get licensed NBA autographs of Wemby, right? When that, if you take the trickle down of all the other guys, so say the top, what, 15 people from this year's drought, apart from Reed Shepard and the Bazzullis kid, who else signed?

00:36:24.52
Adz
can i can i Can I ask a counterpoint to this?

00:36:27.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:27.80
Adz
i've i mean I don't know if it's a new take.

00:36:30.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hit me.

00:36:33.46
Adz
the a lot of their A lot of cards, and we're talking bigger cards and we're talking history.

00:36:41.13
Adz
Years down the track, something happens and a card spikes. Do you think the history books are going to give a fat rats who owned the license to Wemby's autograph back in 2025 when we're in 2037 and Fanatics has been the overlords for the better part of a decade?

00:37:03.95
Russell Gibson
um So I think what you're saying is, so a couple of weeks ago we spoke about, it was either a was it Logomen?

00:37:11.41
Adz
Yeah, yeah, there's the Logamen versus the auto.

00:37:12.36
Russell Gibson
NT that sold for five times more than the other one.

00:37:13.93
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:37:15.81
Russell Gibson
I think that's what you're you're trying to get to, isn't it?

00:37:17.03
Adz
yeah

00:37:18.01
Russell Gibson
So what you're trying to say is that the unlicensed, not game worn patch is overpriced, but the RPA is underpriced and it's five times cheaper than the non-autographed piece of non-game worn memorabilia.

00:37:18.14
Adz
yeah

00:37:33.68
Russell Gibson
Is that what you're is that what you're saying?

00:37:34.51
Adz
that I'm alluding to that. And I'm also, and i'm also well, you've got this you've got the star Jordan rookie now.

00:37:36.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Okay. So let's take this as an example.

00:37:42.33
Adz
That's a different a slightly different take on it

00:37:44.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but sure.

00:37:44.65
Adz
But it was that was denounced years ago. and Now everyone's like, no, that's the rookie card.

00:37:48.33
Russell Gibson
It's actually more valuable, yeah, than the Flea. um Look, I think that people are always going to want licensed product over unlicensed.

00:37:57.09
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:37:57.12
Russell Gibson
So I think there's always going to be ah disparity between those rookie cards, like no doubt. But to take your point, which is I i think what you're trying to say is is actually is it a good buy to buy Wemby autographs at the moment?

00:38:10.33
Russell Gibson
Look, probably. Probably.

00:38:13.26
Adz
yeah there

00:38:13.87
Russell Gibson
But I'd also say, too, I think you need to further temper your return on investment expectation.

00:38:20.55
Adz
Expectations.

00:38:20.99
Russell Gibson
And that we've been talking about that tonight with eBay and all the rest of it.

00:38:22.37
Adz
that's that That's funny because I when we remember when we had drinks and ate chicken after the hobby hangout and my thing about repacks was at what point

00:38:24.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:28.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:33.05
Adz
of buying a repack, are you upset? Like it the ah ROI, like when I buy a repack and if I spend a hundred bucks, at what point do I feel like I've been ripped off?

00:38:44.42
Adz
They're actually applying this to the general product.

00:38:44.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:48.18
Adz
They're like, we're opening product and we're not seeing any value with what we're opening because unless your name is Kobe, Jordan or Curry,

00:38:52.59
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:38:57.52
Adz
There's no value. And that's it. They're they're they drum they're being a little bit dramatic for for for effect.

00:39:04.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:05.29
Adz
But that's what they're saying. Like if I it find if i but but i it's it's the i i spend $50 on a product and I'm not normally upset that I only got $20 of value because there was a chance I got $1,000 of value if I popped a Kobe auto.

00:39:07.15
Russell Gibson
There's no Kobe in this. There's no Jordan. There's no LeBron. Well, there's yeah, LeBron, but no autographs. Yeah.

00:39:24.41
Russell Gibson
Look, I think that Pini definitely were presented with a very difficult problem of not having autographs signed in their products.

00:39:35.26
Russell Gibson
And to their credit, if you want to say that, or you know you have to give them some acknowledgement, is they they pivoted pretty quickly.

00:39:42.90
Adz
ah cra

00:39:43.69
Russell Gibson
So for example, and this is a terrible example, but this is what they did, the Donruss No Autograph.

00:39:48.95
Adz
The Nordo.

00:39:49.22
Russell Gibson
And that that was relatively collectible.

00:39:51.98
Adz
I love it. I still want a Wemby Nordo.

00:39:54.13
Russell Gibson
Right. And so then let's move forward 12 months. So for example, and this is the card we spoke about last week, the manga card. So that doesn't have an autograph on it, but that is, what is that?

00:40:04.81
Adz
Prismania. Oh, another the manga one.

00:40:06.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:06.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:07.00
Russell Gibson
No, the manga one, right? So what are they selling for now? okay, let's just save somewhere between three and $7,000 USD.

00:40:12.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:14.81
Russell Gibson
Right. And so, yeah, like we don't, okay, we don't have rookie autographs anymore.

00:40:15.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:20.02
Russell Gibson
That is absolutely true. And it's not fantastic, but they've also then gone about, you know, Kabooms are already there and all that type of stuff like that's all true. But I think they're now more focused on chase cards and,

00:40:32.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:32.51
Russell Gibson
numbering cards you know in different parallels so they've done other things you know to keep things in so to answer your question about not getting value look i agree it's so sometimes when you go into breaks you don't get a lot back you know you can also get some stuff back to i don't want to go into that and defend that but what i'm trying to say is like they've done different things to keep people interested in the product yeah

00:40:56.21
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going through um some recent eBay sales of Wemby autos.

00:41:02.92
Russell Gibson
we We need to go for a break.

00:41:05.45
Adz
We do, we probably need to take a breather.

00:41:06.23
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep. ah Alrighty. Thank you very much to the boys at Fast Break Trading Cards. Just to summarize some of their recent achievements, they had their 12-month celebration at their shop.

00:41:20.53
Russell Gibson
They had a trade day, which was amazing. It was a fantastic day. And they're also now the named and sponsoring partner of CollectFest. So guys at Fastbreak Trading Cards, congratulations on your ongoing success. Now, if you would like to go to a real hobby shop that has fantastic customer service, go down to 75 Chilup Street in Cheltenham, Friday 12 to 6, Saturday 9 to Sunday 10 to 4.

00:41:51.22
Russell Gibson
You can take your cards in to sell them. To trade them, you can buy cards out of the shop. You can also send your cards off for grading. You can buy sealed product. You can buy supplies to protect your cards. I'm not too sure if they've got GTI, but they'll need to get on that and get some.

00:42:08.75
Russell Gibson
You can also do your pre-orders there and also gift cards. They really focus on the collector's experience. They are collectors themselves. I know that for a fact.

00:42:17.78
Adz
yeah

00:42:19.81
Russell Gibson
And they are providing you with a fantastic collector experience. Also check them out online at fastbreaktradingcards.com.

00:42:34.29
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?

00:42:36.27
Adz
I'm great. I'm great. I was just looking up some deals on fast break.

00:42:39.96
Russell Gibson
What did you find?

00:42:40.88
Adz
No, just a couple of bits and pieces. and so When you said supplies, I realized I needed some more sleeves. Okay.

00:42:47.82
Adz
Just Googling.

00:42:48.04
Russell Gibson
You should, I'm sure the guys will hook you up, honestly.

00:42:51.05
Adz
I'm sure they will. I might pop in.

00:42:53.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:53.90
Adz
See if they're open over Easter. um before the break

00:42:56.27
Russell Gibson
This next one is.

00:42:57.55
Adz
Before the break, we were touching on the the the next day auto. God, I just lost it. I had i had recent sales of the Wemby next day auto that has no auto.

00:43:08.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:10.08
Adz
ah think it was last sold. Well, they've got some up on um Victor. Wembenyana. By the way, there's a lot of auto selling that are unlicensed and they're all fetching decent amounts of money.

00:43:23.83
Adz
But,

00:43:24.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:28.09
Adz
um yeah. don't know, the Next Day Auto is being, there's buy it nows for like $1,000 Australian, but I'd like to see some some sold listings. Yeah, 680 AUD the lot most recent sale of a and Next Day Auto. So they're not cheap.

00:43:50.22
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:43:50.27
Adz
That's the Wemby I want. So note the

00:43:52.32
Russell Gibson
It's actually crazy, isn't it, when you say like that? Anyway.

00:43:55.24
Adz
the Nordograph.

00:43:58.67
Russell Gibson
All righty. Now, this next story is not a joke, and I thought it was a joke. I actually thought this was a joke similar to when I heard Luke was getting traded. So the Nuggets have fired general manager Kelvin Booth, and they've also fired their coach, Michael Muller.

00:44:07.53
Adz
I like that joke. That was a good one.

00:44:13.05
Adz
Yes.

00:44:14.95
Russell Gibson
Now, my understanding the situation is that Calvin Booth had been investing into young plays in the draft and wanted his coach to start playing them more with the idea that they would have a young, cheap bench to put around their very expensive veterans and staffs, which I think in

00:44:21.44
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:44:33.37
Adz
hu

00:44:35.75
Russell Gibson
um in the ideal world, that makes a lot of sense. And if you're building a team, I'm with Calvin Booth on this one.

00:44:42.60
Adz
so

00:44:42.61
Russell Gibson
Now, the Michael Malone experience was that he wanted to play veterans and he wanted to play maybe one or two young players, but not five young players coming off his bench.

00:44:52.83
Russell Gibson
So i think the crescendo was playing Russell Westbrook um in too many minutes.

00:44:53.20
Adz
Fair.

00:45:02.17
Russell Gibson
And then there was a incident where he turned the ball over, missed a shot and the Nuggets lost. And look, if we Westbrook is a very, he is a very known quantity.

00:45:09.59
Adz
Westbrook's done that a lot of times in his career, let's be.

00:45:12.60
Russell Gibson
You know that he wants to take that mid range shot. You know that he's going to turn the ball over. It's like Westbrook is what he is. I think it's like Popeye, honestly, like we're not getting surprises here. So look, allegedly they, they weren't communicating.

00:45:23.34
Adz
Agreed.

00:45:26.97
Russell Gibson
They weren't, you know, both on the same page and ownership basically just let both of them go. The thing that really surprises me on this is that, I genuinely thought that the Nuggets were a dark horse or a step above a dark horse to win the championship. I think when you have the best player on the planet on your team, you should probably do things like not firing the coach, um you know a week before the playoffs. I don't see how that is going to help their cause.

00:45:55.95
Adz
Mm-hmm, agreed.

00:45:56.79
Russell Gibson
So I wonder if there's something else going on in the background that um contributed to this outcome so for example what i'm getting to here is that Michael Malone did a power play and said, either fire that guy or you know I'm not coming back.

00:46:12.19
Russell Gibson
And the owner was just like, I don't want to deal with both of you idiots anymore. like just you know both of you You're both just fired.

00:46:16.36
Adz
You're out, you're done.

00:46:17.77
Russell Gibson
so um The replacement of David Adelman, who is the son of Rick Adelman, if you remember him from the 80s and 90s, he was an offensive genius who was, in my mind, in the same conversations like Don Nelson.

00:46:31.83
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:32.18
Russell Gibson
So in terms of pedigree, i like this a lot. I just, I'm just really concerned with that, you know, very much late season change. So this helps your team, for example, this helps the Celtics, this helps the Thunder and the Thunder been the model of consistency this year. Like they have a genuine identity.

00:46:51.54
Russell Gibson
They know all their roles. Whereas now you're like, is a new coach going to come in and establish a new set of roles and a new rotation? Like to me, I'm not all about this. So look, I'm, I'm very sad for all Nuggets fans out there. I think this is a terrible outcome for you.

00:47:06.16
Adz
can i can i Can I allude to, there was another slide when we were talking about card values and players that aren't named Kobe Jordan and things like that. On the run sheet, there's a link to a card price change.

00:47:16.82
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:47:17.41
Adz
um And there might be a bit of ah a Freudian fact in there because it's got Nikola Jokic, 16.3% increase, but had a photo of Luka Dantic.

00:47:29.20
Adz
Is there a chance that they're alluding That maybe they may be on one and the same team in a very, in a near point in the future.

00:47:41.07
Russell Gibson
I don't know. I'm not too sure if I made that mistake or someone else online did it.

00:47:45.56
Adz
I'm, I'm hoping, ah did I send you the Instagram reel where it said how the Lakers can organize the next best three? And it had um Nico Harrison going to Denver. That's the next GM.

00:47:59.75
Adz
All of a sudden, Jokic to the Lakers.

00:48:02.86
Russell Gibson
We've barely talked to any card prices today, Ad. We've got to do this. Nikola Jokic last sold for $3,355 for his silver PSA 10. Population on this $184. This is the last three months up 4.8%.

00:48:15.18
Russell Gibson
So, yeah, he's still trickling along really nicely at the moment. The last six months, he's up 22%. The last year, he's up just 9% actually, so...

00:48:25.97
Russell Gibson
just nine percent actually so

00:48:29.53
Russell Gibson
Should we go for a break and then we'll come back and we'll do the last 10 minutes or so?

00:48:34.27
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

00:48:35.22
Russell Gibson
It was quick.

00:48:36.22
Adz
That was quick.

00:48:38.25
Russell Gibson
we We are way off track tonight, but it's all good.

00:48:41.63
Adz
The next one will be a good run.

00:48:41.96
Russell Gibson
We...

00:48:42.67
Adz
The next one will be quick hitters.

00:48:46.00
Russell Gibson
The Hobby Hangout.com.au. Go there to get your tickets to the show. Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025, in the greatest capital city in the world, Melbourne, 9 Nicholson Street, Carlton, 10.30am to 5.30pm.

00:49:02.40
Russell Gibson
I think we can say this live. We're going to be there.

00:49:06.51
Adz
We are

00:49:08.31
Russell Gibson
We're going to be involved in some capacity, whether we're doing podcasting up on the stage, we don't know all the final details, but watch this space. We will be there.

00:49:17.21
Adz
It's extra large this time. It's bigger. The venue is bigger and better.

00:49:21.73
Russell Gibson
Goldens is going to be there. Australian and international guests, exclusive speakers sharing insider knowledge and tips. They must have other people coming other than us, Adam. Sports cards, basketball, NFL, MLB, soccer and more.

00:49:31.80
Adz
Wilbur.

00:49:35.02
Russell Gibson
Massive selection of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and more. Trading zones, trading card game tournaments, amazing giveaways, interactive brand activations.

00:49:43.57
Adz
Plenty of brand activations. Plenty, all of them.

00:49:47.33
Russell Gibson
That's right. Casual play areas.

00:49:48.59
Adz
I'm looking forward to break the trading card tournaments might be interesting though.

00:49:52.58
Russell Gibson
Now, this is actually called the Hobby Hangout XL this year. It has been moved to the Melbourne Exhibition Building to make sure that everybody can fit in this year. This is going to be very exciting, people.

00:50:06.41
Russell Gibson
ah cannot wait to see this. I think that this is the hobby day that people need and people want it. So I'm really, really looking forward to this.

00:50:13.91
Adz
is

00:50:21.02
Adz
I'm excited. um That's all I've got is I'm excited.

00:50:33.49
Russell Gibson
Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to you, Adam. How are you doing?

00:50:38.55
Adz
I am fabulous. I'm ready to hit the ground running. i know.

00:50:42.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:43.29
Adz
i knew we were going to go over time today without with our big topics.

00:50:47.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we did. That's okay.

00:50:49.61
Adz
It was bound to happen. It was bound to happen. But there is still plenty of news to go through. So o let's strap in.

00:50:55.43
Russell Gibson
I think we talk about Luka Doncic. Yeah. so we talk about his return to Dallas. I thought that the Mavericks organization were very nice to him. I think the video tribute that they did to him was amazing.

00:51:07.64
Adz
This is lovely.

00:51:09.75
Russell Gibson
And also him sitting there with tears in his eyes is absolutely cemented to me that he did not request a trade. um He was essentially forced out of Dallas. So yeah.

00:51:22.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:23.44
Russell Gibson
I'm, um I just don't, I still don't understand this trade. I'm still in the, in the shock phase of of grieving here. i don't, I don't understand what's going on in this space at all.

00:51:35.49
Russell Gibson
He went out and absolutely torched them. And for a guy who's out of shape and all the rest of it, he, he really, I wasn't picking up him being deconditioned.

00:51:47.07
Adz
No. No.

00:51:49.53
Russell Gibson
It's almost like Nico Harrison isn't a basketball guy and he doesn't understand what is important in basketball.

00:51:58.08
Adz
It was, yeah. Yeah, he does it. you' You've hit the nail on the head. The thing with Nico Harrison is we we get we we get the mistakes being made, but the the Dallas fans, all credit to them. They are they are heartbroken.

00:52:13.12
Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:52:13.25
Adz
um And they just wanted to, they came out to that game to show their love and respect for Luka.

00:52:17.62
Russell Gibson
Mm.

00:52:18.18
Adz
um The shirts they wore were like, thank you, Luka in Slovenian or something like that.

00:52:23.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:25.49
Adz
um They all brought out their Luka jerseys, be them in purple and gold, like my one or ah or the the classic Dallas.

00:52:32.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:33.18
Adz
But it was, they chanted every time he shot, they cheered everyone in Dallas.

00:52:37.15
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:52:38.65
Adz
and And it just got weird at one point there. But I tell you what, if you want to see Luka Doncic drop 45 on your team, just make him cry before the game. Done.

00:52:50.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, Luka Doncic, rookie silver PSA 10, the last three months is up 35%.

00:52:58.41
Adz
It doesn't surprise me.

00:52:58.69
Russell Gibson
He is absolutely spiked hard. Actually, the peak was up to 1,800, last sold for 1,400. So collectors are obviously very bullish about his move to the Los Angeles Lakers, and I am too.

00:53:14.87
Russell Gibson
ah We need to talk about this sale because i don't want to talk about this for a long time, but we can't do the show without it. SGA, this is from our friends at Card Ladder. Green Pulsar, numbered to 25. PSA 10 sold for $8,700.

00:53:30.79
Russell Gibson
I think that that is a very, very, very strong sign of what we're starting to see here from SGA. ah You were talking about how the...

00:53:42.83
Russell Gibson
not every card is selling like that.

00:53:45.02
Adz
Yeah,

00:53:45.52
Russell Gibson
But you're spot on, mate. Like what you're saying is 100% true, but also too, when you see sales like that, like that's a legit sale.

00:53:53.62
Adz
yeah yeah.

00:53:53.77
Russell Gibson
So

00:53:54.06
Adz
But a lot of them sold for that $1,000 to $3,000 mark.

00:53:54.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:56.86
Adz
And now all of all seven in that pop count are accounted for at $8,700.

00:53:59.97
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:54:00.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:01.92
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:54:02.68
Adz
yeah

00:54:02.75
Russell Gibson
Correct. Correct. That's exactly what happens with the market cap numbers. Yeah.

00:54:06.48
Adz
yeah

00:54:06.95
Russell Gibson
But um like, that's not a ah small number on someone.

00:54:11.77
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like a, whoops, I made a mistake when bidding on a card.

00:54:12.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. he's He's moved on to the the next step up the pyramid in terms of, you know, being collectible and and yeah.

00:54:20.83
Adz
Is everyone pulling the trigger on him already winning the MVP? Because I know some betting agencies have got him as a overwhelming favourite, but i

00:54:27.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:30.43
Russell Gibson
100% that is absolutely baked in. It's baked in. yeah

00:54:33.92
Adz
I still think there's a there's an outside chance that Jokic get, that all the media people go, oh my God, Jokic. actually probably deserves this.

00:54:42.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So we are not a betting show. So we are going to talk about odds, but in the context of what's happening in the, you know, in the real world, SGA is 275. Tatum is at 330.

00:54:55.71
Russell Gibson
Donovan Mitchell. No, so that's finals MVP. Where is the MVP?

00:54:59.20
Adz
i was going to say finals MVP. is that It's him and I know um

00:55:04.02
Russell Gibson
Oh, do you know what? The market will be down because the season's finished.

00:55:05.86
Adz
it'll be closed. Yeah.

00:55:06.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:07.26
Adz
Oh, no, the season finishes tomorrow.

00:55:08.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:09.82
Adz
But the NBA, you're right.

00:55:09.96
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:55:11.01
Adz
it's it's It's crazy though.

00:55:12.61
Russell Gibson
Please disregard what I just said. That actually demonstrates how much I don't know about gambling.

00:55:19.40
Adz
That's true.

00:55:19.43
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Now this, this next one is about buy, hold and sell. So this is from our friends at slab stock. Actually, they're not really our friends. either They're more of our, um, someone we follow on Instagram.

00:55:31.26
Russell Gibson
Where is the 2021 NBA drive class at now? We looked at the most recent prism silver PSA 10 rookie cards and compare them to two years ago at the top four picks. um What stands out to you? I'm not going to go through the other ones. I just want to talk about Scotty Barnes here.

00:55:45.38
Russell Gibson
ah In 2023, this sold for $185. His silver PSA 10, it last sold for $74. All right. So let's deep dive into this relatively and break this down as to what and why the price has gone down so much.

00:56:01.66
Russell Gibson
So the first price of $185 was probably a little bit too high just based on it was like new stock.

00:56:07.55
Adz
sure

00:56:08.34
Russell Gibson
Scotty Barnes was a very exciting rookie. Fast forward, they've broken up the core of that team. They've traded away Kyle Lowry. They've traded away whole bunch of their veterans. And essentially, they've just called that team out.

00:56:24.10
Adz
a

00:56:25.58
Russell Gibson
They absolutely overpaid on Emmanuel quickly.

00:56:29.76
Adz
sure

00:56:31.40
Russell Gibson
They picked up RJ Barrett and actually he's been very steady for them. He's been very good.

00:56:38.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:39.30
Russell Gibson
And I think the objective of the Raptors this year is to lose games, not win games. Scotty Barnes has been injured this season, not overly injured, but that's definitely like played into it.

00:56:48.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:49.58
Russell Gibson
um they then went

00:56:49.80
Adz
Then they got Ingram, didn't?

00:56:51.11
Russell Gibson
They then acquired Brandon Ingram, which is, to me, a little bit confusing about, like, you know, what's the direction of this team?

00:56:51.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:56.67
Russell Gibson
Are they rebuilding? Are they not? But Ingram's never played a game for them. So you could also say it's a it's a strategic pick up this year.

00:57:02.10
Adz
They got an injured Ingram. Yeah.

00:57:05.50
Russell Gibson
Keep him on the bench, rest him out, get a good draft pick, and then he comes back next year and he's 100%.

00:57:06.71
Adz
Tank play. Yeah.

00:57:10.85
Adz
it's it's not It's not going to be Cooper Flagg.

00:57:13.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:13.70
Adz
He's stayed in college.

00:57:14.76
Russell Gibson
Well, that's right. as Yeah. Which is painful, isn't it? It's it's so painful. All these teams that, but actually I've got no sympathy for these guys. If you want to deliberately lose games, I say like, I literally say eat a dick to these guys because like, they're like, just compete.

00:57:23.31
Adz
To get a high draft pick, you still get... But it could still be a good draft class.

00:57:30.80
Russell Gibson
But not this whole thing about not competing actually drives me crazy.

00:57:31.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:34.04
Russell Gibson
You know, I've got six year olds that I coach that compete harder than some of these teams.

00:57:34.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:38.48
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:57:39.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Um,

00:57:40.46
Adz
you know there's There's a floor. See, I can see where the value is different. I mean, it's if there's ah there's a there's a hint on the card. It says Toronto there.

00:57:49.46
Russell Gibson
but

00:57:50.60
Adz
so

00:57:51.36
Russell Gibson
I think that does influence it a little bit. but So where I'm going with this, at $74, that is a very strong buy for me because, okay, I should add this in at some point too. So I've actually seen Scottie Barnes in person play and I would describe that

00:58:04.89
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:58:07.27
Russell Gibson
it's a similar experience to like seeing LeBron James play like him out on the basketball court. He, he's an, he's a physical presence and, and he can do everything.

00:58:12.80
Adz
Whoa. Okay.

00:58:16.54
Russell Gibson
He can rebound, he can dribble, the offense can flow through him and he can do everything in between, he you know, he can shoot hit shots and facilitate.

00:58:19.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:25.51
Russell Gibson
So I, I really love Scotty, Scotty Barnes. And I think that he can influence a game,

00:58:33.64
Russell Gibson
potentially say 85% or 90% of what Kauai Leonard can do. And I'm saying that that's a huge compliment for me because I love Kauai Leonard when he's fit and well and out there playing basketball.

00:58:45.80
Russell Gibson
So

00:58:45.90
Adz
Can I give you a buy, hold, sell, or what would this card be worth?

00:58:49.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:50.14
Adz
Hypothetical universe that right this year, the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Toronto Raptors are swapped.

00:58:51.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:57.76
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:58:57.94
Adz
The Toronto Raptors are up the top, looking the best in the East.

00:59:01.48
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:59:02.19
Adz
All of these players out of nowhere are playing out of their skin. I guess it's the Donovan mit he's don the donovan Mitchell or

00:59:08.54
Russell Gibson
I think you just flip you flip these numbers around, honestly. Yeah.

00:59:11.94
Adz
ah ah Is it selling for $300, $400, or is it still less than $200 because he's in?

00:59:15.34
Russell Gibson
I think it's still been that 180 and that sort of 210 range.

00:59:19.06
Adz
Okay.

00:59:19.72
Russell Gibson
So, okay. So yeah, I said 210. So Donovan Mitchell is currently trading at 220. Yeah.

00:59:25.46
Adz
Okay.

00:59:26.10
Russell Gibson
yeah So actually, I feel like that's spot on then.

00:59:28.53
Adz
Do you think that success, if Toronto was the team that was succeeding, not Cleveland, that it'd be a $200 sale?

00:59:29.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:32.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:33.82
Adz
yeah, okay. Okay. so yeah okay

00:59:35.06
Russell Gibson
i think I think comping Donovan Mitchell to Scotty Barnes is pretty reasonable at this point.

00:59:39.81
Adz
okay

00:59:40.51
Russell Gibson
I think Donovan Mitchell has got a lot more high-end game-time, game-finishing talent than Scotty Barnes does.

00:59:49.29
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:50.76
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, I think that his overall popularity, when I say he, I'm saying Donovan Mitchell, he's just not that popular.

00:59:58.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:58.95
Russell Gibson
I think it's as simple as that. It's one of those things you just have to accept it. Yeah.

01:00:02.74
Adz
I do think that below... Sub 100 for Barnes is a really, really solid buy.

01:00:09.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I love that so much.

01:00:10.21
Adz
I also...

01:00:11.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:11.92
Adz
And not to sound pessimistic, but I think we are coming to, there's going to be a changing of the guard coming with LeBron retiring. Steph's not far off.

01:00:22.63
Adz
Like there are some of these players are starting to age out and there needs to be the next generation.

01:00:25.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:28.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:30.04
Adz
So yeah, i'd look I'd be, I'd be trying to find those diamonds in the rough and You don't have to stay in Toronto your whole career. So he may change and end up in the the spotlight and be a superstar.

01:00:42.22
Adz
So interesting one.

01:00:42.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:46.67
Russell Gibson
So we're going to just touch on this very briefly. I don't think we, well, we don't have that much time left in the show, but I did want to do 20 or 30 minutes on this. This is PSA updating their turnaround times for submissions.

01:00:57.71
Russell Gibson
So they're just lengthening out the submission time. So value is now 65 business days. Value bulk is 65. TCG bulk is 65. Value plus bulk dual service is now 75. So when they say dual, they're talking about card and also autograph grading.

01:01:15.52
Russell Gibson
And they've also increased the price of the TCG bulk price to $18.99. Now, in addition to that, Australians are affected by PSA in a different way. Well, actually, they're affected by Donald Trump because with his tariff

01:01:30.08
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:31.29
Russell Gibson
There just has to be a way. So PSA is currently not accepting international submissions at the moment.

01:01:36.83
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:37.54
Russell Gibson
And that's just because they don't know how to manage the tariff situation. Now, BGS, on the other hand, have just put that price back onto the consumer.

01:01:47.66
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:48.41
Russell Gibson
So BGS have already worked it out. So maybe what we're going to see from PSA very shortly is that, you know, the really interesting thing though, is like, if a card is printed in America, will it be exempt from the tariffs?

01:01:53.47
Adz
Is is a bit of an announcement. Yeah.

01:02:01.22
Russell Gibson
And how do you demonstrate each card where it was printed from? You know, without an agent looking at every single card, there's going to be an element of trust or, you know, something that goes into this process. So how are they going to work it out?

01:02:13.82
Russell Gibson
It's not too sure. i I suspect there's going to be more information coming onto this you know really quickly. I do wonder if it's one of those things where either Trump goes away, the tariff goes away, or they work it out on charge it, or we see submissions going to Japan sooner than what PSA was maybe expecting to.

01:02:34.02
Adz
Planning to yeah, yeah, true.

01:02:35.45
Russell Gibson
Because we talked about that on a show a few weeks ago where

01:02:37.76
Adz
Yeah, about that opening opening a ah great outlet.

01:02:39.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, which is very timely for this type of you know situation playing out here.

01:02:45.42
Adz
For sure.

01:02:45.81
Russell Gibson
um What would you like to talk about for our last topic of today?

01:02:49.24
Adz
Well, we we alluded to it. So let's talk about Shaq quickly, shall we the golden?

01:02:52.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, let's talk about Shaq.

01:02:53.61
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:54.14
Russell Gibson
That's a really fun one to to end on. We've given this one the title of Pump and Dump.

01:03:01.00
Adz
Yes.

01:03:01.30
Russell Gibson
This is from our friends at Golden Co., which, fingers crossed,

01:03:04.30
Adz
Now, friends that are coming that a coming to the to the Hobby Hangout.

01:03:06.99
Russell Gibson
Which, fingers crossed, they will be in Australia and we've reached out them to come onto to the podcast. So it'll be great to have someone on from Golden.

01:03:13.93
Adz
Yeah, it would be it would be great, yeah.

01:03:14.16
Russell Gibson
Come talk some cards with us. Do you collect Shaq? Let us know below. We're not going to do that. just going to talk about on the show. All these amazing Shaq cards are available now in weekly auctions.

01:03:25.56
Russell Gibson
um Is Shaq undervalued in the hobby? Adam, what do you think about that?

01:03:31.51
Adz
I think he is a little bit. Maybe he's appropriately valued. I don't know. There's a lot of cards. That's the thing. And this is where ah probably Shaq's where my pop count argument begins.

01:03:46.47
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like there's a lot of Jordans out there, but there's a lot of Jordan fans. And there's a lot of Shaq fans, but there's a lot more Shaq cards.

01:03:55.23
Russell Gibson
Mm.

01:03:55.69
Adz
So I think, yeah, I think the supply and demand is

01:03:56.06
Russell Gibson
Proportionately. Yeah.

01:04:01.38
Adz
He's maybe out of whack, but maybe you focus it in.

01:04:03.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:05.12
Adz
Like I really like Shaq and I like picking up Shaqs where I can.

01:04:09.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:09.84
Adz
um Like I like Jordan, i like Pippen, I like Shaq.

01:04:15.19
Adz
I don't think he's ah i't think he's overvalued and I think he's maybe a little bit undervalued.

01:04:18.88
Russell Gibson
Mm.

01:04:21.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So just to take your point then, you named two people immediately before you mentioned Shaq. And i I think that's where he sort of fits into the hobby landscape. There's always going to be one or two or three people ahead of him.

01:04:35.00
Adz
See, Pippen's my PC, but Shaq's the the second player, I would say, from that era that I identify.

01:04:41.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:42.43
Adz
So

01:04:42.58
Russell Gibson
But again, that still just reinforces what I'm saying, though. I don't think he's ever to be like a true top tier number one in the hobby.

01:04:45.75
Adz
it's the Jordan era. He's not the hes not Jordan. Yeah.

01:04:49.25
Russell Gibson
You know, he's sort of, he's a second place. He's a very good second place.

01:04:52.33
Adz
Just like LeBron is in the Curry era. Sorry.

01:04:57.39
Russell Gibson
Well done. I think Koi Leonard would have. I quite like that one too. Yeah. So I think that my feeling about Shaq is that he signed a lot. I put him into the Magic Johnson conversation on this.

01:05:11.19
Adz
true

01:05:11.29
Russell Gibson
It's not difficult to get your hands onto a Shaq or a Magic autograph. And so i really look at this from sort of two perspectives in that he's done a lot of good for the hobby because he signed so much and it makes it affordable for people to get their hands onto stuff. So I think that's really good.

01:05:29.50
Russell Gibson
And I think the other thing too about this guy is he also fits my other rule of his prices of his cards as cheaper than what the total amount of talent that he has is.

01:05:40.96
Russell Gibson
And so you can look at that in two ways. You can say, look, he's probably a little bit undervalued, but this is where I'm going to twist this one around a little bit, maybe be a bit manipulative, my own rule. I feel like he had so much talent that he didn't execute on.

01:05:53.23
Russell Gibson
And he's also like very publicly spoken about this.

01:05:53.65
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:55.55
Russell Gibson
And so actually wonder if, like sort of subconsciously, does that sort of get into people's head? Like you find him a little bit hard to like because he's sort of admitted to being lazy and he just wanted to go out in there and have a good time.

01:06:06.54
Russell Gibson
It's like, I don't know.

01:06:07.38
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, true.

01:06:09.31
Russell Gibson
ah Look, I don't own, I would say almost, I might have a couple of Shaq cards in there inadvertently, but I definitely don't have an autograph or anything like that. Like I just personally, I just don't find him that collectible.

01:06:18.03
Adz
I got a couple of rookies. Yeah.

01:06:21.33
Russell Gibson
That's just sort of my own personal preference. But, you know, I think there's a lot out there, you know, to look at.

01:06:23.82
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:26.59
Russell Gibson
Look, I think if you're really going to, you know, buy something, um You might get like a jambalaya, but go and get a ah badly not badly graded a lower graded card. So you might get like a five or six.

01:06:39.64
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:39.77
Russell Gibson
And we but we heard that on today for the eBay stats, where you've got those big jumps on those lower end cards because you know the quite they're very difficult to get those cards.

01:06:47.43
Adz
yeah

01:06:52.62
Russell Gibson
And then you can get them at a cheaper price point and you sort of get that higher you know return on investment for your you on your percentage there. i I wonder if that's actually the play for someone like Shaq. I think there's so many autographs out there.

01:07:03.84
Russell Gibson
Like how collectible are his autographs now?

01:07:04.06
Adz
Agreed.

01:07:07.41
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts, Adam. Let's go.

01:07:09.37
Adz
Final thoughts. um I'm going to go and start identifying collectors. One in three adults as a collector. Let's let's figure it um not it's more like um I'll be asking the Panini question.

01:07:16.88
Russell Gibson
You're going to be like the Terminator walking down the street, just like scanning everyone.

01:07:23.60
Adz
but but More like, what do you collect? Because people will be able to relate. It might be different.

01:07:28.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:29.57
Adz
I collect basketball cards.

01:07:30.02
Russell Gibson
You've got a one in three chance. Yeah.

01:07:31.55
Adz
Exactly. It's like opening packs of cards.

01:07:32.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:34.21
Adz
Pack odds are back.

01:07:38.04
Russell Gibson
One in three chance that you better talk to someone lunchroom about collecting.

01:07:38.14
Adz
Get yourself.

01:07:41.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, actually, that's a good to good point.

01:07:43.16
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:44.30
Russell Gibson
i mean, sometimes you get caught up talking to people. You're like, oh God, what am I going to talk about? Yeah, you're right. I like those odds.

01:07:52.39
Adz
Yeah. But thanks for a good show.

01:07:53.54
Russell Gibson
thank

01:07:54.11
Adz
That was that was good.

01:07:54.49
Russell Gibson
Thank you everybody for listening.

01:07:57.17
Adz
Thanks, everybody on the YouTube. Thanks, everybody at Central Coast Radio.

01:08:01.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:02.13
Adz
um Yeah, it's been a great show. Looking forward to the next one, and we'll catch you in our next episode, which is a timeless moment.

01:08:10.34
Russell Gibson
But...

01:08:11.01
Adz
Ciao.