Episode 206: The Playoffs Are Here 🔥

We break down:
 🏀 Bucks vs Pacers
 📊 Lillard’s come back plan + Kuzma's Box Score
 🧨 How to crack slabs – Shyne style
 🗞️ Pelicans’ crazy week: Dumars in, Griffin out, Grading Griffin
 🧢 Suns have no coach, no pick & paying someone not to coach
📉 Market talk: Pop count, Jokic Blue PSA 9, Kobe & MJ 1/1
🎴 Ant vs LeBron, Ja vs Steph, Vintage heat: 1996 E-X2000 MJ 🔥

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00:00:00.03
Adz
Just like, earth.

00:00:14.18
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 206 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast, where your host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson, and the playoffs have arrived.

00:00:27.59
Russell Gibson
They are. How are you today?

00:00:29.32
Adz
I'm great, I'm great. um That play-in tournament was very quick. was a couple of days and then, bang, the playoffs are here.

00:00:34.68
Russell Gibson
Blinked, blinked and you missed it.

00:00:36.56
Adz
Yeah, pretty much. Pretty predictable. I mean, the zombie heat wasn't obviously, wasn't predicted. First time a 10th seed's got in, but so I think most of the other results pretty much standard and can't see it going any other way. so

00:00:50.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:51.03
Adz
But yeah, the actual playoffs started today.

00:00:53.54
Russell Gibson
I think we should say hello to our listeners.

00:00:56.00
Adz
Yeah, everybody will Live around um more around the world on YouTube. um Hello to everybody listening on...

00:01:06.14
Russell Gibson
In Philippines, we've had a lot of new listeners come across from Philippines recently.

00:01:06.26
Adz
Well...

00:01:10.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:10.99
Russell Gibson
USA, Canada, Germany.

00:01:12.61
Adz
Yeah. but And our friends at Central Coast Radio. Don't forget and you get our listeners there.

00:01:15.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Thank you for tuning in everyone.

00:01:17.90
Adz
People are in in the States, we try and talk a bit slower every now and then so the people in the US can understand us.

00:01:30.45
Russell Gibson
Don't we speak slow for Americans?

00:01:31.26
Adz
No, no, we speak quick. We speak way quicker than people in the US.

00:01:35.92
Russell Gibson
Is that true?

00:01:36.64
Adz
I feel like that anyway.

00:01:37.83
Russell Gibson
Okay. I'm not too sure Ryan would agree with me on that. He's always saying to me, I speak so slowly.

00:01:43.35
Adz
Really?

00:01:44.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:44.24
Adz
Okay. Well, next time we've got Ryan and we'll have to ask him about that one.

00:01:45.04
Russell Gibson
He thinks I'm always pretty sure Ryan thinks I'm just slow in general, to be honest.

00:01:46.87
Adz
That's, I'm curious. I thought we spoke faster. Yeah, that might, that might've actually just been a personal dig at you. Um,

00:01:57.47
Russell Gibson
Anyway. All right. Let's talk about Bucks paces. What do you reckon?

00:02:01.25
Adz
Bucs pace is good place to start. Let's do it.

00:02:03.15
Russell Gibson
Wow.

00:02:03.45
Adz
What's the

00:02:03.50
Russell Gibson
Look, let's start with the Kyle Kuzma box score. 22 minutes, zero points, zero rebounds, zero assists, zero steals, zero blocks. ah Ultimate win on this trade, giving up Chris Middleton for someone that they thought was going to be a little bit younger and maybe a tad more athletic.

00:02:23.43
Adz
best of seven sees it but series? Then maybe he'll score in another game. Maybe he'll get aced that.

00:02:28.75
Russell Gibson
Sixth time in playoff history, a player has played 20 minutes and recorded zero points, rebounds, assists, deals, or blocks. It's quite an achievement, really, isn't it?

00:02:38.59
Adz
it's It's pretty good. And given the pedigree he's come from in Washington, um he was the right man for the job. To get bad stats.

00:02:50.45
Russell Gibson
you just can't wash that stink off like fast enough, can you?

00:02:53.45
Adz
Pretty much, pretty much.

00:02:55.39
Russell Gibson
All right, card ladder, Kyle Kuzma. We spoke about him a couple of weeks ago, so this is going be an interesting one.

00:03:00.08
Adz
was gonna say, is he even on card ladder?

00:03:02.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, um at the time when he was drafted, he was a big thing.

00:03:06.80
Adz
Fair, fear fair, fair, fair, yeah.

00:03:08.61
Russell Gibson
So April 13th, he was $13. And then he shot all the way up to $21.50. So not quite 100% increase, but ah you know a significant rise. I'm not too sure what the next comp after that's going to be. I do wonder if it's going to go back down to that $13 again.

00:03:25.07
Adz
Yeah, it's it's not great. It's not it's not looking...

00:03:28.52
Russell Gibson
what a shame. Honestly, i had a lot of optimism for that.

00:03:30.66
Adz
And the last... Yeah.

00:03:32.29
Russell Gibson
I thought there was some chance there to, you would come good, you know, put into the right situation, all that type of stuff. But Yeah, it's really tough. So good news for Bucks fans though, is that Lillard has been cleared to come back this playoffs, which I'm, I don't really understand all of that. I suspect that he is pushing really, really hard to come back.

00:03:55.22
Russell Gibson
I feel like with a younger player who wasn't at the end of their career that, you know, wanted to win a championship, you'd be ultra conservative and you would just sit on the shelf.

00:03:55.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:00.82
Adz
Yep.

00:04:04.94
Adz
Maybe they think they're in with a crack if they if they turn things around.

00:04:05.40
Russell Gibson
But,

00:04:08.34
Adz
I mean, if...

00:04:08.89
Russell Gibson
I definitely think that team thinks they're in contention. Absolutely. That's their whole...

00:04:12.25
Adz
Yeah. If Lillard's healthy and Kuzma actually, I don't know, scores more than zero and contributes something, are they in the Yeah.

00:04:24.39
Adz
I don't think you can write him off with Giannis on the team.

00:04:27.36
Russell Gibson
I don't think you should write them off, but I'll probably make a comment that the matchup of the Pacers for them is really bad. I think... Really, you could almost make an argument that the Pistons would have been a better matchup for the Bucks.

00:04:44.24
Adz
I wouldn't disagree with that.

00:04:44.30
Russell Gibson
Maybe, maybe even the Cavs, like being honest about it.

00:04:45.22
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:48.32
Adz
Mm. Mm.

00:04:50.26
Russell Gibson
think just the way that their paces play and they really stretch people out and they, geez, they're so fast, man. Like the pace that they get, and that's a pun, but the speed that they get up and down the court is actually, it's quite breathtaking really.

00:05:02.84
Russell Gibson
but you

00:05:03.13
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:03.59
Russell Gibson
Just imagine the cardio on those boys. Just amazing. Anyway, So, look, good news for Lillard fans, good news for the Bucks fans. I think you have to be optimistic about that. Look, I've watched most of the of Game 1.

00:05:17.24
Russell Gibson
I thought it was a pretty good game, to be honest. It was relatively entertaining.

00:05:20.87
Adz
yeah

00:05:21.24
Russell Gibson
Obi Toppin was my... He's the one I'm most curious about, honestly. but When i look at the Pacers team, I would really like to see him start and or I would like to see him traded.

00:05:30.89
Adz
yeah

00:05:34.12
Russell Gibson
So he has the opportunity to start. I would really, really like to see that happen.

00:05:40.84
Russell Gibson
So I think this is a good time for us to check out some of his card prices. He doesn't have any PSA tens in the registry, which could mean two things that he's not properly put into the registry or there's no silver PSA tens.

00:05:49.86
Adz
Okay.

00:05:56.72
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to check the PSA numbers from the official site. I'm just looking at card letter.

00:06:00.94
Adz
I'm looking at the raw numbers on Card Ladder and, um well, he's definitely, you you pay less for Adobe Toppin than you would Kyle Kuzma.

00:06:01.40
Russell Gibson
I suspect it's,

00:06:09.30
Adz
That's all I'm going say.

00:06:10.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, he's really up and down, but when we say up and down, he's between $1 and $3. So I think that's pretty normal, natural sort of variation.

00:06:17.57
Adz
He's peaked at $5, think. Hmm. Hmm. okay

00:06:20.76
Russell Gibson
you know, I don't think anything really to like worry about there if you paid $1 or $3. But

00:06:27.63
Russell Gibson
look, this is a very soft recommendation, but I think he's a buy at the moment. I'm just really high on him. I think he's a really, really good athlete. And I think the thing with his game was that his skill level just had to fill out and sort of, you know, match that athleticism. And then obviously opportunity, of course, you know, it's the m NBA, but yeah, I like him a lot. I think there's a lot to like there.

00:06:48.73
Adz
There's a lot of sales, funnily enough, in the last three months of his card.

00:06:48.91
Russell Gibson
ah Final.

00:06:51.93
Adz
They're $1 and $2, but that's a lot of movement for a cat for cat for a player that doesn't really attract a lot of value.

00:06:53.74
Russell Gibson
I'm not surprised.

00:06:57.38
Russell Gibson
I'm not surprised.

00:06:58.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:58.78
Russell Gibson
You know, I think the problem with the pace is that they're a pretty deep cut out. They like, they're a true league past team.

00:07:03.72
Adz
They are.

00:07:03.84
Russell Gibson
They're not.

00:07:04.20
Adz
They are.

00:07:04.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:05.01
Adz
They're not going to get a lot of coverage on on Disney+, plus that's for sure.

00:07:05.20
Russell Gibson
Not going to be

00:07:07.91
Russell Gibson
On yeah ESPN and all the rest of it.

00:07:08.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:09.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But anyway, ah it's final thoughts on Pacers, Bucks.

00:07:11.55
Adz
Hmm.

00:07:13.37
Russell Gibson
Who do think is going to get up and win that series?

00:07:15.48
Adz
um Part of me thought this year was going to be a Bucs revenge tour, but I think the only thing Bucs are going to get out of this is is some terrible Bucs scores. It would nice if Kuzma could actually get on the board, stats-wise.

00:07:28.63
Adz
That's about it.

00:07:29.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:32.36
Russell Gibson
Do you think we should talk about Giannis prices before we move on just really quickly?

00:07:37.63
Adz
Ooh, yeah, well, maybe maybe this year is going to...

00:07:43.50
Adz
Yeah, Giannis might be worth a revisit, given like he's the big... the

00:07:47.98
Russell Gibson
I'll make this quick, really quick.

00:07:49.03
Adz
ye

00:07:49.66
Russell Gibson
Silver PSA 10 rookie card, population 86. Looking at the last 12 months, I think for me, this is the most relevant stat at this point in time. He's down 30%. At the start of the year, he 8,600. His last sale was 5,900.

00:08:00.06
Russell Gibson
Let's call it 6,000. If you go two years though, he is down lot. He's 55%. let's call it six thousand if you go back two years though he is down a lot he's down fifty five cent The highest sale that is documented on that is 13.6 and 13.3.

00:08:18.76
Russell Gibson
So he's actually down a lot. So this is actually this is actually more interesting than what I was anticipating. So, okay, I'm going to put this into an absolute wait and see.

00:08:32.96
Russell Gibson
So this was trading at 42,000, obviously.

00:08:36.19
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:36.62
Russell Gibson
um' look I'm not going to say when that traded at 42,000, but that was yeah that was quite high, wasn't it?

00:08:40.63
Adz
it's in ah It's in a holding pattern this year. um I feel like the the Bucks have been off the radar this year. But yeah, that that all-time data where through 2020 2022, where as you said, 40K. Okay.

00:08:53.53
Adz
where as you've said forty k

00:08:55.80
Russell Gibson
Let's block that out though and sort of like, so where I'm leading with this, so I feel like this is an all-time hold card, very similar to what Yoki Kicks. I think, you know, you buy that now, you put it away and in 10 years you get it back out again. So for me, looking at the data from the last two years, I say wait another 12 months, then look to see what you should do with this purchase.

00:09:15.34
Russell Gibson
Like for me, this is very much a wait and see thing, but this is really appealing now because I would put this type of card into the position of this is just too expensive.

00:09:15.50
Adz
okay

00:09:24.10
Russell Gibson
You know, I'd, don't want to spend that much card on that much coin on that particular card. But if I'm waiting another 12 months and it keeps trending down, like that completely changes the equation.

00:09:33.38
Adz
All right, so i'll I'll just quickly ask the question.

00:09:34.31
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:38.75
Russell Gibson
I still like Yokey more.

00:09:40.59
Adz
Okay, 5,900, so we'll say six grand, right?

00:09:44.27
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:44.96
Adz
um let's Let's remove, let's let's let's say this goes down another thirty ish percent to to to the mark. Are you tempted?

00:09:59.16
Russell Gibson
I would be directly comping it to Jokic and Jokic, I think has got a better resume at this point is 3,300 at the moment.

00:10:04.20
Adz
And Jokic is headed up.

00:10:07.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:07.74
Adz
Okay. So Giannis drops below three, are pulling the trigger?

00:10:12.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That changes it again. So if Jokic is more and Giannis is less, then you'd have to you really look at it then, but, but still I,

00:10:14.14
Adz
Yeah. like Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

00:10:19.84
Russell Gibson
you know, probably going full circle here, your kick again is really tough for me to go past. However, there's double the amount of your kicks than your answers. 184 your kicks.

00:10:27.21
Adz
Mm. Mm.

00:10:28.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. four your kis

00:10:29.99
Adz
Yeah. i do I do like the idea that Giannis might move into buy territory based on a really bad playoff run this year.

00:10:38.94
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:10:39.82
Adz
you know I mean? So the Pacers knocked them out in in the first round. This is a bad year for the Bucs then.

00:10:45.67
Russell Gibson
It's a bad year for the bucks, but I think there's a lot else going on in the hobby ad.

00:10:45.87
Adz
Like, it...

00:10:48.89
Russell Gibson
I think that's also part of it.

00:10:50.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:50.09
Russell Gibson
You know, people sort of fall out of flavor and, you know, fall out of the spotlight and there's a lot.

00:10:50.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:53.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah, but um but like I feel like it ah that compounds it. I think that the the the fall escalates if the Bucs are clearly out of contention. If the Cavs have taken that kind of top four spot away and there's other people, ass New York, there's Boston, there's Cleveland, and they get nudged out of out of the top three.

00:11:09.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:12.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. And we're not talking about Giannis as much anymore. We're talking about Luka again and LeBron's back in the spotlight and Wemby's been spoken about a lot lately.

00:11:15.14
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:11:18.96
Adz
yeah

00:11:20.53
Russell Gibson
so All right, this is from directly from Shine's Instagram.

00:11:21.38
Adz
Mm-hmm. Could be a window closing. Could be opportunity knocking. Who knows? Cool.

00:11:29.24
Russell Gibson
I think you have to watch this. Now, this is actually a little bit, I wouldn't say hard to find, but it's not instantly obvious. So go back one week in terms of his posting history. You'll see 2003 history.

00:11:42.03
Russell Gibson
ten upper deck exquisite Michael Jordan.

00:11:46.85
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:11:47.32
Russell Gibson
If you click on the arrows in going onto the arrow to the next picture, it willll actually take you to a video of him cracking it It was slabbed in a BGS slab and he literally took a kitchen knife to it, smashed the top of it and then just took it out. Like the balls on this guy,

00:12:03.88
Adz
I'm laughing because normally, obviously, in Australia, the term cracking it is um associated with them having a temper tantrum. But he's literally cracking the slab.

00:12:13.60
Russell Gibson
He's got some steady hands. oh I'll give him that.

00:12:15.17
Adz
All right. I'm hitting the slide button on Instagram.

00:12:20.49
Russell Gibson
It's unbelievable. he He literally just takes the knife to it And anyway, look, I've got to say the

00:12:25.27
Adz
Wow. um um Yeah, I'm playing this on... I'm playing the video. It's like he's sitting with a...

00:12:31.32
Russell Gibson
the testicular fortitude on this lad.

00:12:33.80
Adz
He's got the giant knife.

00:12:34.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:35.08
Adz
He's not like a little knife. This is a big knife.

00:12:38.32
Russell Gibson
So Our friends at GTI put a lot of videos up about taking cards out of slabs and they use pliers and they've got this, you know, special tool to to cut them out.

00:12:50.60
Adz
Wow. That's literally cracking a slab, all right? He's just cracked it on the top.

00:12:56.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's wild, isn't it? I feel like they're quite, GTI are very particular about it. It seems to me like they've got a very set formula and they take it out all carefully. That to me was just brute strength.

00:13:06.87
Adz
Nat wasn't careful at all.

00:13:07.41
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:13:07.76
Adz
He actually cracked it with the big knife and it put a split down the BGS slab. That's, ah yeah, you're right. i think ballsy is the the right term.

00:13:18.74
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, next one on the list. This is very self-indulgent, this next one. And I wanted to talk about this. So I've done a little bit of research here. So just hear me out. David Griffin was fired by the Pelicans. And then almost instantly there was rumors about Joe Dumas joining the Pelicans. And then literally a day after that, it was announced he's been signed. So I think there's a little bit of history here in terms of Joe Dumas. He is from...

00:13:45.90
Russell Gibson
New Orleans or, you know, from the South. So he's he's going home. i think that's important for somebody.

00:13:51.27
Adz
Big narrative.

00:13:52.87
Russell Gibson
i think also too, we have to remember that he was the architect of that Pistons team that won the championship, the bit that built, that built and then beat that really powerful Los Angeles Lakers team.

00:14:03.83
Russell Gibson
Yes, it was an old l LA team, but it had Kobe, it had Shaq, it had Karl Malone, it had Gary Payton.

00:14:09.51
Adz
Harry Payton, yeah.

00:14:11.17
Russell Gibson
Like that was a really, you know, good team that that,

00:14:12.81
Adz
That was built to win a championship. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:14.85
Russell Gibson
That Pistons team beat them with...

00:14:16.33
Adz
It was built to win Malone a championship.

00:14:19.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace was picked up, and he was just amazing.

00:14:23.37
Adz
Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:14:26.11
Russell Gibson
I used to love Rasheed Wallace. Ben Wallace. I mean, obviously, his draft pick of Darko Milicic has probably gone down in infamy. And then after the ah team did get older, he i don't think he did a very good job at retooling the Pistons.

00:14:39.94
Russell Gibson
I think that's very fair to say that, but you can't take away from him

00:14:40.60
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:44.55
Russell Gibson
what he did for that Pistons team. So I think, you know, a big get there for the Pelicans.

00:14:46.73
Adz
oh

00:14:49.75
Russell Gibson
I do think that David Griffin probably had a little bit of bad luck in his tenure there. Like he had a lot of problems with injury this year.

00:14:56.91
Adz
Yeah, injuries seem to be the the bane of their existence in most of the time in New Orleans. We're talking, i mean, New Orleans is probably cursed as far as injuries go. You think about Anthony Davis, um career has been riddled with injury.

00:15:08.58
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:11.41
Adz
Zion is ah has been a huge injury cloud.

00:15:14.44
Russell Gibson
So that was one of the first things that he did when he went there it was actually traded Anthony Davis away. And I think that wasn't so much of his own choice. It was more about he was given the instruction from Anthony Davis's agent on that.

00:15:24.31
Adz
the time had come.

00:15:29.24
Russell Gibson
So I actually, um put together a small list of his six, in my opinion, six most important moves that he did while was at the Pelicans.

00:15:29.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:36.02
Adz
hmm. Sure.

00:15:36.97
Russell Gibson
I left off Anthony Davis because my feeling was that his hand was forced.

00:15:40.24
Adz
That was that was sort of a forced opening move wasn't really his decision.

00:15:43.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So going back to 2019, he drafted Zion Williamson.

00:15:44.54
Adz
Fair, fair, fair.

00:15:48.46
Russell Gibson
If you go back and look at that draft list, even if you have the power of hindsight, I probably still think you would draft Zion Williamson today, just based on the fact of he's overwhelming available talent, even though he's not always available, but you might make an argument that he could have drafted Jamarant instead of Zion, but no one was doing that coming out of college.

00:16:03.02
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:16:11.58
Russell Gibson
So I'll give him a pass on that. oh I'll say that move is a B. He drafted Herb Jones in the second round, which I'll give him an A.

00:16:16.64
Adz
yeah

00:16:20.79
Russell Gibson
And then he signed him to a four-year contract of $53 million. And we also give that an A+. plus So, so far, he's doing not too bad.

00:16:28.60
Adz
yeah

00:16:29.02
Russell Gibson
CJ McCollum, he acquired in a reasonably large trade. um The Pelicans got CJ McCollum, Larry Nance, and Tony Snell. They gave up Josh Hart, Tomas Zataransky,

00:16:38.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:41.98
Russell Gibson
Nikkel Alexander-Walker, a first round pick was protected and two future seconds. Again, I would give that a B plus to an A. um The DeJounte Murray trade was terrible. So he gave up Larry Nance, Dyson Daniels, and two first round picks.

00:16:59.87
Adz
yeah

00:17:00.06
Russell Gibson
That is an absolute fail just based on Dyson Daniels alone, plus the draft equity. Like that's a lot to give up for somebody that didn't really fit that well.

00:17:10.13
Russell Gibson
And then He was injured.

00:17:10.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:11.29
Russell Gibson
You can't really, you know, he drafted Trey Murphy, which I think was a good draft pick, but he then signed him to a four year, $112 million dollars contract extension. I'm going to give that a C, but I'd also say that's very much pending.

00:17:24.78
Russell Gibson
And I think the next move is directly related to this is him trading away Brandon Ingram, because I think Ingram was requesting $50 million dollars a year.

00:17:33.81
Adz
Yep.

00:17:33.91
Russell Gibson
so essentially, instead of spending that 50 million on that, he's now put that money into Trey Murphy. And then what he got back for Ingram was Bruce Brown Kelly Olenek and a future conditional first round pick from Indiana, which is not going to be great because the Pacers want to make the playoffs, even if it's the first round every year.

00:17:51.67
Russell Gibson
That's their objective.

00:17:52.30
Adz
Do you think he he moved too slow on Ingram?

00:17:56.40
Russell Gibson
I think that

00:17:57.50
Adz
Should they have looked to move Ingram while he was healthy?

00:18:00.37
Russell Gibson
I think that the contract negotiations clearly went to a place that they weren't expecting. And then he, his hand again was forced and whether that's his fault or it's Ingram's fault, look, I'm not too sure about that, but I would say in the hole on that, the Raptors aren't a better team for paying Ingram $45 million dollars a year or $40 million a year, whatever they're paying him.

00:18:05.78
Adz
Yeah. Forced, yeah.

00:18:11.68
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:22.14
Adz
No, no, no, no.

00:18:22.33
Russell Gibson
Like, so that's the part where I'm actually like, yeah, actually he's come out of it.

00:18:23.26
Adz
That's managing your assets, right? Yeah.

00:18:26.61
Russell Gibson
Hopefully with the first round pick Bruce Brown, look, I think he's a good player, but, I don't think he's really changing things. So what's really going to make the difference here is Trey Murphy. Like if this kid doesn't emerge and you're paying him, what, 30, yeah, $30 million dollars a year.

00:18:38.04
Adz
Big. Yeah.

00:18:41.92
Russell Gibson
would I think I might've said 40 before.

00:18:41.98
Adz
Yeah, yeah you're you're paying overs for someone that's not worth it.

00:18:45.43
Russell Gibson
That's going to be really bad. Yeah. And then you've left that to Joe Duma. So, you know, anyway, look, yeah, look, I don't think he probably deserved to be fired per se, but I also, it sounds to me like managed,

00:18:52.05
Adz
an interesting one.

00:19:00.18
Russell Gibson
or ownership had had enough and they wanted a change. So the NBA is cutthroat, man.

00:19:02.51
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:19:04.64
Russell Gibson
Honestly, it's it's a tough, tough league.

00:19:08.16
Adz
Yeah, completely agree.

00:19:08.18
Russell Gibson
They don't take prisoners at all. All right, let's take a break and then we'll come back.

00:19:12.42
Adz
Yeah, of course we've run long to start the show.

00:19:13.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:16.62
Russell Gibson
It's not too bad. It's not too bad for us. All righty, let's start with the Hobby Hangout this week. We have a small teaser slash announcement that we can make We will be officially at the Hobby Hangout XL this year.

00:19:33.61
Adz
Yes.

00:19:33.64
Russell Gibson
We'll be on the bill. We haven't confirmed all of the details to tell you exactly what it is, but what we can tell you is that something is coming. Hopefully next week we'll have more news to tell you.

00:19:46.69
Russell Gibson
I can say that it is the most exciting thing I think we've ever done. I'm not too sure how you feel about it, Ad.

00:19:53.63
Adz
think it's pretty exciting.

00:19:54.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:55.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:56.39
Russell Gibson
So to add to already Goldens, which have been announced and will be coming to the podcast, they've got other international guests. We've got exclusive speakers sharing insider knowledge and tips, sports cards, basketball, NFL, MLB, soccer, massive selection of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh! more trading zones, trading card game tournaments, amazing giveaways, interactive brand activations, casual play areas.

00:20:22.35
Russell Gibson
It's this year going to be

00:20:23.91
Adz
Well, this is a supersized hobby hangout.

00:20:24.14
Russell Gibson
ah

00:20:26.71
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:20:26.80
Adz
this isn't This isn't just ah where we used to have it. This isn't the Royal Exhibition Building. This is literally extra large version of what we normally do.

00:20:37.02
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep. You've lit took the words out of my mouth, but you said it much better than I could have. Tickets are currently, well, the first release is sold out. So now tickets have gone up to $35.

00:20:48.45
Russell Gibson
If you're on their mailing list, you do get a discount still kids under 12 need a ticket, but it's free. doors from 10 30 to 5 30, 400 tables are going to be set up with.

00:21:00.06
Adz
That is eight hours of show. That is a lot longer than we normally experience. Not only is the size of the show extra large, that's right, the the the length of the show is extra large. It's awesome.

00:21:14.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty. Thank you so much to team hobby hangout. We can't wait to collaborate with you again. It's going to be fantastic.

00:21:27.08
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. Adam, how you doing?

00:21:30.30
Adz
i'm i'm I'm good, I'm good. we' we' we've We've sidetracked long enough. I think it's time to talk about the playoffs and I'm ready.

00:21:38.83
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:21:39.40
Adz
um um but I've braced myself.

00:21:42.03
Russell Gibson
So let's start with Memphis Golden State. How does that sound?

00:21:46.00
Adz
Yeah, that was the the play-in game, wasn't it?

00:21:48.35
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:21:48.96
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, that was a battle for the seventh seed.

00:21:50.49
Russell Gibson
Let's do that.

00:21:53.95
Russell Gibson
Did you see the game? What did you think?

00:21:55.43
Adz
I did, I thought... um The Warriors with Jimmy Butler, I may have underestimated how good their run has been, and I haven't watched enough of them.

00:22:05.83
Adz
But now that I have, I'd be interested. Like there was obviously this bugger all that that separates that play-in tournament from someone that that ends up in the the fourth or fifth seed.

00:22:15.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:20.19
Adz
So, yeah, I think the Warriors are still a threat is is what I came away with.

00:22:26.91
Russell Gibson
The NBA is so funny like that, isn't it? that There's 82 games that don't mean that much. And then the teams then come to play at the playoffs.

00:22:34.97
Adz
um

00:22:36.05
Russell Gibson
Like for example, the Warriors, like that team is built for the playoffs.

00:22:37.85
Adz
Yep.

00:22:40.12
Russell Gibson
And so

00:22:41.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:42.28
Russell Gibson
You know, they can, not that they didn't try during the season, but they can sort of just get through, you know, scrape themselves in and come in and turn it off, turn it on for the playoffs. And then, you know, here we are. Do you think that they're a risk or a threat to win at all? So I think that's the interesting narrative here.

00:22:57.67
Adz
I think playoff Jimmy Butler is not someone to underestimate. And I don't think Steph Curry I think he's still got a few tricks in the bag. So definitely, I don't think you can write the Warriors off at all.

00:23:09.72
Russell Gibson
Hmm. And just the amount of experience that team has in terms of winning big games, getting to the championship.

00:23:12.74
Adz
Yeah. they They know how to win on the biggest stage.

00:23:16.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:16.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:17.22
Russell Gibson
All This is an interesting card. This is from our friends at Card Ladder. Jar Morant, BGS 9.5. Gold. So number to 10. Prism rookie card. Sold for $51,000. Curry. year this? 1314 Prism. Again, gold. 9.5. Sold for $48,000. Yeah.

00:23:29.64
Adz
Hmm.

00:23:29.97
Russell Gibson
steph curry what year is this prison again gold

00:23:34.81
Adz
It is.

00:23:35.05
Russell Gibson
b gs nine point five sold for forty eight thousand dollars yeah really fantastic comparison there for so many different reasons.

00:23:40.88
Adz
Whoa.

00:23:43.70
Russell Gibson
You've got someone who's very proven, but it's a vet card.

00:23:44.33
Adz
Card versus card.

00:23:47.92
Russell Gibson
It's also a very collectible card in a year that is very popular. I think the design is absolutely amazing. Obviously there's no true difference to the population of these two cards, but I think from that particular year of 13, 14, there was so much less prison printed.

00:24:01.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:02.35
Russell Gibson
So I'm going with the Steph Curry on this one.

00:24:03.06
Adz
Yep.

00:24:05.80
Russell Gibson
I think I'm at that point now where Steph has done so much on his resume. It's really hard to go past almost anything that he's putting forward at this point.

00:24:16.39
Adz
umm um I'm going to be bullish on, on jar. I still, I still think the jar resurrection tour.

00:24:19.44
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:24:23.46
Adz
Um, he he's got room to grow would be my thing. There's no autograph on the staff. Um, it's BGS versus BGS. The big differentiator here for me is that rookie shield.

00:24:34.83
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:24:35.01
Adz
Um, So I'm going to bank on Jar Morant being around and building a ah bigger resume over the years. And while I'm not discrediting Steph, it's not an auto, it's not a patch, it's just a gold 10.

00:24:46.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:47.50
Adz
So I'm going to go um um'm go to go with the Jar Rookie.

00:24:47.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, know definitely.

00:24:50.56
Russell Gibson
Okay. You're not worried about him being unable to fulfill that potential?

00:24:57.96
Adz
i think I think someone's got to back Jar.

00:25:03.21
Russell Gibson
I mean, I think his next sponsorship is going to come from...

00:25:04.15
Adz
I'm gonna go down guns blazing. Is that what I'm gonna say? I'm gonna go down guns blazing on this one, yeah.

00:25:06.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. was actually going to say, I think his next sponsorship is going to come from a military supplies company. So now his celebration is throwing bombs.

00:25:13.75
Adz
Or Nerf. If I was Nerf, I would be sponsoring that man.

00:25:19.74
Adz
Can you imagine getting him on Nerf commercials shooting like Nerf guns?

00:25:20.35
Russell Gibson
ah

00:25:23.21
Adz
It'd be perfect.

00:25:26.62
Russell Gibson
kept the feeling he would get into trouble for that.

00:25:29.02
Adz
know, but come on. The NBA's gotta have a sense of humor, it'd be great. Especially it's kids toys.

00:25:36.76
Russell Gibson
not sure how I feel about this.

00:25:41.72
Russell Gibson
ah What have we got next? ah This is very random, but I have to talk about this with you. This is from Market Movers. So this is a highlighted card that they've put forward. It's a Pokemon card.

00:25:52.96
Russell Gibson
This is not something...

00:25:53.53
Adz
All.

00:25:55.29
Russell Gibson
that we normally would talk about, but I felt I had to put this in because the population on this is 36,000, nearly 37,000. And i think for context on this, let's just do a direct comp on this back to Wemby because I'm pretty curious to see where Wemby's at this point in time.

00:26:15.99
Russell Gibson
He has to be close to that. What's the total population on a silver?

00:26:23.71
Adz
Wow.

00:26:25.09
Russell Gibson
Got to be close.

00:26:29.53
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:26:33.03
Russell Gibson
It's actually not that many, is it? It's only 7,000.

00:26:37.22
Adz
What's that? The Wemby?

00:26:38.93
Russell Gibson
On the silver PSA 10 rookie, the pop the total population, so that's, you know all of the nines, tens, the da-da-da-da-da.

00:26:41.28
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:48.13
Adz
Mm.

00:26:49.76
Russell Gibson
There's so few BGS cards.

00:26:53.70
Russell Gibson
There's five... 10 black labels. There's 17 129 9.5s. Comparing that to PSA, 4,410s, 2,009s, 235 8s.

00:27:04.72
Adz
Okay.

00:27:05.59
Russell Gibson
Yes. So, yeah.

00:27:10.54
Russell Gibson
yes so yeah So where I'm going with this though, is that there's still some value to that card.

00:27:11.27
Adz
36,000 of this Pikachu.

00:27:18.01
Russell Gibson
So it's currently trading at $800. I mean, Pokemon is going through an insane craze at the moment. So maybe this is like,

00:27:24.47
Adz
I feel like this is that 2022 spike.

00:27:26.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:27.03
Adz
um If you read the comments,

00:27:27.13
Russell Gibson
So maybe I'm, maybe I'm doing ah very bad comp here in that I'm comparing a card that is, you know very popular in NBA to something that's spiking hard through, you know, a very abnormal, you know, period of time.

00:27:39.57
Russell Gibson
Like, so definitely if people are at home, you know would like to message in and correct me, I'm totally down with that. But I think the point I was trying to make here is that there is an absolute load of these cards, but it's still holding value.

00:27:51.77
Russell Gibson
And I think that's interesting in itself because, I would say that our general mindset around populations, we're quite conservative. And that once we see population go into four figures of a thousand, like that's maybe too much for us.

00:28:05.32
Russell Gibson
So do we need to shift our mindset around high population on some cards for some players?

00:28:05.49
Adz
yeah

00:28:12.37
Russell Gibson
So for example, having 4,000 silver PSA 10s for Wemby is, is okay.

00:28:19.82
Adz
Interesting.

00:28:20.63
Russell Gibson
And it can still hold its value.

00:28:22.79
Adz
Possibly, but but this is this is where the the real supply demand side of things comes out.

00:28:22.79
Russell Gibson
So it's,

00:28:28.57
Adz
So if Pokemon wanes in popularity, the the demand decreases, which I think in effect the the supply decreases, the the demand, so the price will drop. But I think there's also a big a wider audience for Pokemon.

00:28:38.83
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:28:41.78
Adz
Yeah. Obviously, we generally talk about basketball cards, so it's not something i'm overly knowledgeable with.

00:28:47.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, correct.

00:28:48.01
Adz
But my my my my assumptions here would be um currently there is there's that heightened demand because it's in the spotlight.

00:28:48.40
Russell Gibson
100%. Yeah. a hundred percent yeah

00:28:58.38
Adz
If Pokemon dwindles and isn't the the centerpiece of trait TCG, that it won' like if it ever loses that popularity, um I think there's a risk with pop counts like this.

00:29:00.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:07.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:11.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:11.65
Adz
because Because I think there's a tank pop possibility in the market. Like it it it drops rapidly because there is so much supply. Whereas same as the basketball, if there's a ah dip in and in audience, in viewership, and then all of a sudden more people get into basketball, that 4,000 pop count becomes less

00:29:18.49
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:29:31.28
Adz
um less important because we've got more viewers and then like the price will go up because there's more people that want that card.

00:29:39.16
Russell Gibson
It seems to me that Pokemon is just very liquid or more liquid in general than basketball. And so,

00:29:44.82
Adz
I think it's ah it's a bigger it's a bigger audience for sure.

00:29:47.98
Russell Gibson
yeah So maybe that's what it comes down to is there's just more people trading.

00:29:48.50
Adz
Most definitely. You've got video games, card games, um trading cards.

00:29:51.40
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:29:54.85
Adz
like there's you can You can consume and television. um You can consume Pokemon in a lot of different ways.

00:30:01.83
Russell Gibson
Yep. All right. I think we should stop talking about this before we embarrass ourselves too much more.

00:30:07.12
Adz
Definitely.

00:30:07.28
Russell Gibson
This, This next one is from market movers again, the five biggest increases in price change percentage. Trey young at number one at 67% up.

00:30:21.10
Russell Gibson
I'm not shocked by this just for the fact that he went down so much.

00:30:25.30
Adz
Okay.

00:30:26.51
Russell Gibson
so obviously the market is correcting itself a little bit here. It's a little bit of an obscure card for me though. It's an optic shock. And I probably think what's more interesting to me or more relevant is his silver PSA 10. So let's really quickly touch on that.

00:30:43.20
Russell Gibson
So it's trading at $117.

00:30:43.82
Adz
okay

00:30:46.90
Russell Gibson
Looking at the incredibly zoomed out map, it looks very flat to me. And going to the last three months, he's still down 16%. So there's been no true increase, I don't think, in his price.

00:30:59.25
Russell Gibson
That's, that to me, it's a single card. The next two is Wemby's. I think that's interesting because he's injured at the moment and we've been talking about that. How is his injury going to be affecting his price?

00:31:10.86
Russell Gibson
I was basically saying, let's wait for the price to come down and then jump into the market.

00:31:15.37
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:16.41
Russell Gibson
But we, we really haven't seen that. That has not been reflected as I was predicting. And this next one is the perfect slide into the next series that we can talk about. Jalen Brunson, Silver,

00:31:30.06
Russell Gibson
PSA 10 is up 46%. So I think we have to talk about Jalen Brunson right now. And I think this is another card that I've just been so wrong about. And so we need to discuss that.

00:31:41.14
Adz
wow

00:31:44.80
Russell Gibson
Interestingly, the way that they measure the increase, I'm not seeing that on card letter. So on card letter, Jalen Brunson is down 23% over the last six months.

00:31:55.23
Adz
Okay.

00:31:55.38
Russell Gibson
The last three months, he's up 8%. eight percent And then if you zoom into the last month, he is up just 10%. So, and when I say just 10%, like that's, you know, that that's a lot and that's a really good outcome, but also maybe for better context, we need to look at the last 12 months.

00:32:14.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so the last 12 months, he was up all the way up to $450. And now he's basically settled back to where he was. He's pretty much exactly where he was, you know, 12 months ago.

00:32:26.48
Adz
Yeah, there's there's it's very...

00:32:30.53
Russell Gibson
So my recollection about Jalen Brunson was i was very worried about over-investing into this guy and he went all the way up to, yeah, 350 and now he's back down to 230.

00:32:41.08
Russell Gibson
Look, I think 230 is a very fine price for this guy. I think he's got a proven track record at this point. I think he's popular with people. We've established that.

00:32:52.46
Adz
Yep.

00:32:53.31
Russell Gibson
He can stay... relatively injury-free under a very taxing system that Tibbs puts them through. And I think that means something.

00:33:02.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:04.51
Russell Gibson
And the New York people love him. So I don't really see this $230 moving too much more than this.

00:33:11.26
Adz
Yeah, you don't see it dipping back below 200 like it has.

00:33:11.72
Russell Gibson
So

00:33:15.35
Russell Gibson
there's no reason for that to happen.

00:33:16.24
Adz
But I don't see it doubling and hitting 500 anytime soon either.

00:33:16.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah No, no, definitely not. Look, I think if it gets to 300, you know, you've done really, really well, but, you know, maybe you're a little bit lucky, but honestly, 230, 250, I think that's totally fine on this.

00:33:21.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:26.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:29.27
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 603, so significantly more than Yarnist and other cards were talking about earlier in the show today.

00:33:38.69
Adz
yeah

00:33:38.80
Russell Gibson
Again, just for that sort of context of, you know, where we're at with populations, but also much less than Wemby, you know, a lot less than Wemby.

00:33:46.87
Adz
Agreed.

00:33:47.56
Russell Gibson
Should we talk about the next series? Because I think you'll be keen to talk about Cade.

00:33:52.35
Adz
Yeah, the knicks ah the the Knicks versus Pistons. I tell you what, the knicks ma I think the Knicks pulled one out of the bag because the Pistons looked like they were going to roll the Knicks in Madison Square Garden.

00:34:04.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:06.20
Adz
um I think that'll be an interesting series and it'll be a very interesting, a solid learning lesson for the for for the Pistons.

00:34:16.39
Russell Gibson
I think the expectation here is that the Knicks will win this series. So if the Pistons don't win in round one, I still think this season for them has been amazing, very successful.

00:34:19.95
Adz
Yep.

00:34:28.25
Russell Gibson
They've got nothing to hang their heads about.

00:34:30.20
Adz
Agreed.

00:34:30.97
Russell Gibson
There was actually a statistic saying that they're the highest single win increase in NBA history now. So but that, that should be celebrated by the way.

00:34:39.07
Adz
wow i think the pistons have done very well to get where they yeah

00:34:39.89
Russell Gibson
i think this is something we should be you know discussing. I actually thought the Pistons were going yeah, i thought So I watched this game. I thought they were going win. that That's my gut feeling.

00:34:51.39
Russell Gibson
And then they just basically fell apart. And there's no other way to say it You can say that ah New York came back and they hit shots and da-da-da-da-da. But I think probably the reality was

00:35:02.84
Adz
yeah

00:35:02.84
Russell Gibson
um they stopped producing at the level that they needed to be. So if they hadn't played one more quarter the way they'd played the first three, they would have, I think, scraped it out, to be honest. and would have been closer than what they lost by.

00:35:12.88
Adz
Yeah. yeah

00:35:16.11
Russell Gibson
Really, really good game, though. If you'd like to go back and you've only got time to watch one game or you've only got time to watch, you know, one recap or, you know, whatever it is. Yeah, that Pistons next game was absolutely fantastic.

00:35:24.64
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:27.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:27.47
Russell Gibson
All right. We have to give Cade Cunningham a little bit of shine now, don't we? And then we'll go to a break.

00:35:32.09
Adz
Let's give him his flowers.

00:35:33.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:34.42
Adz
um he's He's seen a lot in the last six months.

00:35:38.15
Russell Gibson
I think we're pro Cade Cunningham on this show, aren't we, guys?

00:35:38.42
Adz
um

00:35:41.40
Adz
I'm very pro-K Cunningham. I think he he was he was written off too too soon.

00:35:46.43
Russell Gibson
Far out. That got to $830 at one point. That huge. Yep. All right.

00:35:49.38
Adz
Yeah. Now back on the 8th of March, yeah. sale Verified sale of 830.

00:35:54.38
Russell Gibson
that is huge yeah

00:35:56.96
Adz
I think he's being in that $500 range.

00:35:57.40
Russell Gibson
but

00:36:01.17
Adz
like he's but like We can go back. We can look back at it over the the all-time data. like When he first came out, 2023, selling up in that, that like Christmas 2022, $490. And now it's in that 486 was the last sale. So do you know what I mean? Like it it has sort of gone full circle.

00:36:28.37
Russell Gibson
So if you look at the last three months and if you look at sort of the the mountain that's there, there's the price before that's 370 and then afterwards is 450.

00:36:35.83
Adz
Yep.

00:36:38.42
Russell Gibson
So I feel like in between that sort of 370 and 450, let's call it 400 to 420.

00:36:38.51
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:36:44.21
Russell Gibson
I think that's a very, very good price for him.

00:36:47.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:47.78
Russell Gibson
I think what that spike shows is up to 830 though, i think that's his future baseline.

00:36:53.78
Adz
Yeah, I like that.

00:36:55.19
Russell Gibson
So now I think he's, he's the correct value is in that sort of $400 mark. I think that's very reasonable. If you're trading it around that, I think that's great.

00:37:02.01
Adz
Yep.

00:37:04.11
Russell Gibson
You've done very well, but so I'm sort of changing my evaluation here because at the start of the year, i was like, look, hold on to Kay for another 12 months.

00:37:05.31
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:37:12.79
Russell Gibson
Let's talk about it in 12 months. Whereas now I'm like, we've seen what he's done this 12 months. He's,

00:37:17.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:18.03
Russell Gibson
He's well ahead of schedule. The hobby markets responded to it really well. Yes, it's been up and down a little bit, but you you should expect that as cards are going up, people will want to unload.

00:37:22.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:28.25
Adz
Yeah. Oh, for sure.

00:37:31.54
Russell Gibson
I think if he has another year like this, $800 is going to be his new baseline. And then the year or two after that, we can start talking about this as a $1,000 card. I'm really, I'm quite bullish on Cade Cunningham in that sort of mid to long-term, yeah.

00:37:42.53
Adz
And and i have to say that that pop count of 330 is very appetizing.

00:37:48.41
Russell Gibson
It's not too bad.

00:37:52.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so Yeah.

00:37:54.14
Adz
um and Think about it. Think about rookies around that era.

00:37:56.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:00.13
Adz
Yeah, that that's a sub 500 pop count on the PSA 10.

00:38:01.03
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. Yeah.

00:38:05.50
Adz
And he does he only gems it at 18%. So it's not like there wasn't a lot of cards graded.

00:38:13.90
Russell Gibson
No, definitely. Okay, let's go to a break. Thank you so much to Game Time International for being our first international sponsor.

00:38:24.05
Adz
Woo!

00:38:25.67
Russell Gibson
We're very grateful for your support and also our ability to work with you. This has been absolutely fantastic. Now, the reason why we reached out to Game Time International is because they sell the best mags in the hobby.

00:38:37.46
Russell Gibson
They sell magnetics that you can put penny sleeves into that also a tight fitting penny sleeve so that card just looks absolutely seamless in there it then protects the surface of the card the back surface of the card all of the corners are obviously protected it's in a one touch the other selling point for gti is that they're a true collector's brand so you don't have to send all of your cards off to psa or to bgs you can put them into a magnetic that looks really good the other thing that i really like about the product too is that is the

00:39:09.32
Russell Gibson
plastic is ultra clear and to keep it without flaws, there is a overlay placed onto the card that you peel off when you purchase ah

00:39:18.61
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:18.80
Russell Gibson
It's a removable plastic film. You remove that off as you pull it off. The plastic underneath is basically brand new and flawless, never been touched by a person.

00:39:25.79
Adz
yeah

00:39:28.52
Russell Gibson
High tier consistency and also production quality. They ship worldwide. So guys, if you're looking to get some of these products, The other person you can key into too, if you'd like to get some, you don't want to buy from overseas, you would like to buy the product in Australia, reach out to our friend from the Melbourne cartel.

00:39:47.36
Russell Gibson
Cause I know that's how Darren introduced me to the product. He had some on the hand and I bought some they're just absolutely fantastic. So thank you so much to GTI International for your ongoing support.

00:39:53.77
Adz
I'm

00:40:05.14
Russell Gibson
Adam, how doing, buddy? We're back.

00:40:06.92
Adz
good, i'm good. Where are we at in the in in the playoffs?

00:40:11.64
Russell Gibson
All right. I want to heap shit onto the Phoenix Suns right now. Let's just enjoy this for what it is.

00:40:16.69
Adz
This is a playoffs episode.

00:40:16.86
Russell Gibson
The Phoenix Suns

00:40:17.97
Adz
How are we talking about the Phoenix Suns?

00:40:20.58
Russell Gibson
just makes me happy. This is my, like my Shaden Freud coming out right now. They have no coach. They're not in the playoffs and they have no first round draft pick. The engineering and roster construction of this team has just been fantastic.

00:40:34.15
Russell Gibson
So for me, this is when the coach should not be fired. This is when the general manager should be literally thrown out on the street by security and just told to not come back.

00:40:40.44
Adz
Walked out of town. Yeah.

00:40:44.19
Adz
Just driven to the border and told not not to come back. Yeah.

00:40:46.98
Russell Gibson
This is an absolute joke. The other funny thing about this too, the Suns are now paying three head coaches at the same time. Mike Budenholzer is going to be paid $10 million dollars a year 2029. until twenty twenty nine

00:41:02.45
Adz
I'd like that gig.

00:41:03.79
Russell Gibson
Let's just let that settle in.

00:41:03.80
Adz
I'd like to go somewhere, be told, no, you're not doing your job, but we'll give you $10 million dollars a year.

00:41:10.78
Adz
Makes no sense.

00:41:12.99
Russell Gibson
That's such a crazy narrative, isn't it?

00:41:17.19
Adz
they should they shouldn't They should just put the call out who wants an income, like a big income.

00:41:24.05
Russell Gibson
Why don't they just make him do stuff like clean the toilets or, you know what mean?

00:41:29.17
Adz
Sweep the floor, sweep the courts.

00:41:31.96
Russell Gibson
Why pay someone to do nothing?

00:41:32.17
Adz
Like put him to work.

00:41:33.24
Russell Gibson
That to me is like, be a community coach or I don't know, do something for the city of Phoenix.

00:41:34.06
Adz
Put him to work.

00:41:38.96
Adz
The G League coaching clinics?

00:41:44.03
Adz
Yep. Yep. i I'm baffled.

00:41:47.48
Russell Gibson
Anyway, congratulations, Mike. You're winning at life, unfortunately.

00:41:50.92
Adz
You get to join, you get to join ah yeah, Monty and and Frank.

00:41:57.24
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Nuggets Clippers is the next series that we're going to have a little bit of a chew on. I'm predicting that the Nuggets going to win here. Game one was an interesting game. ah don't think there's that much really to break down.

00:42:11.77
Russell Gibson
um Actually, was a little bit closer than...

00:42:13.84
Adz
it's pretty It's pretty funny. do you hear what Russell Westbrook said? I'm just here to F things up.

00:42:18.60
Russell Gibson
don't really... ah don't really pay attention to much of Westbrook, to be honest.

00:42:22.40
Adz
Oh, ah it's so good to have russ Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. So good. Russell Westbrook.

00:42:27.38
Russell Gibson
Were you about to say Wussel Westbrook?

00:42:30.94
Adz
No. ah um Russell Westbrook is great to have in the playoffs just because here is he's going to be that outspoken, overconfident, living his best life basketball up and he's going to try his heart out and he's going to screw a few things up and a few things are going to go his way.

00:42:40.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:45.33
Adz
And he's going to make, he's going to put a random element into, into what could be a ah relatively boring series.

00:42:54.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Look, I think that's not unfair to say that, but I'd probably also say too, we shouldn't be giving that much attention to this guy. do you know what mean? There's other people we should be giving attention to like Christian Braun,

00:43:06.38
Adz
Fair. Fair. Like Kawhi, a healthy Kawhi Leonard is probably a scary thing as well.

00:43:11.30
Russell Gibson
Koi Leonard, you know, we could

00:43:16.23
Adz
He's a fun guy.

00:43:16.41
Russell Gibson
maybe give him some microphone time.

00:43:18.67
Adz
but ah

00:43:19.98
Russell Gibson
So some of the and NBA awards have been leaked. Zubach has been reported to be the defensive player of the year. I think this is going to be the first time in podcast history that we've spoken about the pricing on Zubach.

00:43:34.75
Russell Gibson
So to go back, The number of sales all time on this guy, I'm going to count this live one yeah

00:43:38.25
Adz
No.

00:43:44.89
Russell Gibson
on there. 10, 11, 12, 13 sales all time, going back to 2018. The peak sale of Zubach was in 2022 at $90. It's currently trading at $15 and 51 cents.

00:43:58.51
Russell Gibson
I'm going to put this as an A plus purchase. I think someone like Zubach is like a good guy, a good MBA guy population on this is 18. Defensive player of the year. We might have... I'm going to guess that the next price is going to be spiked up a little bit.

00:44:15.64
Russell Gibson
That's amazing. So overall, this card has gone down 34%. Let's call it 35% since it came out.

00:44:22.94
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:44:23.50
Russell Gibson
I'm not all about this. i think that should have at least held its sort of, you know, $20 to $30 price point. Yeah. Currently trading at $15. I think that can go up to $30. The other one we have to talk about from this series is Jokic Blue PSA 9.

00:44:40.83
Russell Gibson
Uh, we're talking about shade and Freud earlier, in me sort of having a bit of a laugh at someone else. This is just like, causes me absolute pain. PSA nine last sold for 3,500. The population on this is 73.

00:44:52.54
Russell Gibson
The light blue is numbered to one nine nine. Uh, this is just ah a, it's not really a straight line. It's, it's very much like an up and down line, but you could just draw a straight line from this, like from zero to the moon.

00:45:05.54
Adz
The sad part is i I remember discussing this card like two years ago, maybe two and a half years ago, and saying that this is the one that I would go for.

00:45:05.86
Russell Gibson
God, this, this gives me pain. This gives me pain. Yeah.

00:45:15.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:17.92
Adz
This is like the light blues, the 190.

00:45:19.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think so too, but also all, I think we also spoke about the nine saying this is still relatively affordable.

00:45:25.30
Adz
Yeah, yeah. But that's what I mean. Like it was like, oh I could get a blue PSA 9, either in the select or the the prism. But that light blues, like, yeah.

00:45:35.35
Russell Gibson
So I think the interesting thing for this conversation would be, is it still a buy, hold or sell? Like, where would you place this card as a buy, hold, or sell right now, even at not leaked.

00:45:47.85
Adz
Have they leaked who's they're going to be the MVP?

00:45:52.94
Adz
Oh, well, that's crap then. um He should have won his fifth MVP.

00:45:59.19
Russell Gibson
I think they're more like internet rumors that are, you know, that it's been leaked, I suppose.

00:46:00.18
Adz
No, no, no.

00:46:03.86
Adz
The people that are casting votes.

00:46:04.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:05.51
Adz
um My thought on this card is it's starting to push that, is it going to keep going up? I think he's priced appropriately now.

00:46:17.02
Adz
I think for the PSA 9, I'd be a little bit more wary. i'm um' Granted, it is light blue, which is a colour match in Nuggets fashion. um Pop count is 73 at the PSA 9, though. So you need to be a little bit more wary rather than the PSA 10. This isn't the top of the top, but I think the PSA 10 would be closer to 15K now, wouldn't it, for this card?

00:46:42.98
Russell Gibson
I think I could find that for you.

00:46:47.93
Russell Gibson
While I'm finding that, I think my sort of takeaway from this card is that but obviously it's shot up a lot.

00:46:56.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:56.71
Russell Gibson
So the PSA 10 has a population of 23. The has a pop of 73. So that basically covers about half of the total population of that card.

00:47:08.64
Russell Gibson
I do suspect, though, there's been there'll be a little bit of crossover there. um I'm sure some of those will be, you know, re...

00:47:14.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:16.75
Russell Gibson
And then the the last sold was $9,300 on the 10. So...

00:47:20.81
Adz
Yeah, okay. So so a $10,000 versus card.

00:47:21.89
Russell Gibson
Look...

00:47:26.88
Russell Gibson
I actually still think this is a buy because I think if you compare this to...

00:47:28.96
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:33.16
Russell Gibson
Like, even if you compare this... That's probably not a good comparison, but we talking about the Steph Curry 10 before. Like, that sold for $50,000.

00:47:39.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:42.24
Russell Gibson
And for this to be a rookie card of a guy who's got that many MVPs and he's got a championship, yes, we're still you know he's but still predicting he might win one more, which has not happened, obviously.

00:47:54.80
Russell Gibson
But I like this card for a lot of different reasons, if that makes sense.

00:47:56.42
Adz
yeah

00:48:00.31
Adz
All right, I'll propose something now.

00:48:00.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:02.15
Adz
I've looked at the POP report.

00:48:03.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, talk to me.

00:48:05.50
Adz
Would you buy, I'll turn this into a card versus card, the 9.5 BGS for $4,700 or the PSA 9 the $3,500?

00:48:10.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:14.22
Adz
for four thousand seven hundred dollars or the psa nine for the three thousand five hundred

00:48:23.06
Russell Gibson
I think at this point in my life, I'm so biased against BGS.

00:48:29.02
Adz
Wow, okay.

00:48:30.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I, I need to have a really, really good reason to purchase something in BGS.

00:48:37.15
Adz
Pop count 26 of the 9.5.

00:48:39.52
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:48:40.41
Adz
Look, for my I would be, i think the BGS 9.5 is a good buy because of the pop count.

00:48:45.62
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.

00:48:48.50
Adz
It's 26. I'm looking at the pop report. Obviously, some have been crossed over and things. but it's 26, 9.5. So I wonder if everybody, a bunch of people cross those over and that's how we ended up with the nines. The nines are at 73. So, no. Yeah. Mm,

00:49:02.59
Russell Gibson
I think this data won't be perfect because for people to clean that data up, they need to crack them and then send the data off the graded cart into the companies and they take it out the registry.

00:49:04.74
Adz
nine

00:49:11.51
Adz
yeah

00:49:17.14
Russell Gibson
So i don't believe that that's happened hundred percent of the time.

00:49:19.62
Adz
yeah

00:49:20.86
Russell Gibson
I just don't believe that.

00:49:22.55
Adz
But looking at, I'm just looking at the prices. like I'm like, I would probably take the punt on 4,700 if I was spending that kind of money rather than three and a half on the nine.

00:49:24.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:33.66
Adz
Because the 9.5 is closer to the 10.

00:49:34.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:49:36.28
Adz
So I agree with your, I understand your your your stance on BGS.

00:49:37.83
Russell Gibson
Hey,

00:49:42.33
Russell Gibson
yeah, just really quick segue here while we're talking about PSA versus BGS. da dara dura So this is a information update from the hobby, and this is not a sponsored segment, anything like that.

00:49:52.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:57.11
Russell Gibson
They have made an update to the submission process after Donald Trump had his tariff announcement and how that was going to affect cards coming into America from Australia.

00:50:07.13
Adz
Yes. Yes.

00:50:08.75
Russell Gibson
So basically the workaround now is that they'll go to Canada for non-USA cards.

00:50:12.28
Adz
Okay.

00:50:14.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:15.85
Russell Gibson
All US manufactured cards will be sent directly to PCA USA as normal, no extra fees apply. So that's the workaround. u s a to u s a non USA non-USA to Canada.

00:50:23.10
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:27.24
Adz
And I'll just work it out from there.

00:50:27.29
Russell Gibson
And we we were projecting on the show a couple of weeks back, Japan was going to be

00:50:31.31
Adz
Japan.

00:50:32.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I suspect Japan will happen at you know some point in time. But for now, quick fix.

00:50:39.17
Adz
I like it.

00:50:41.08
Russell Gibson
All righty, let's go to our last break. And then we'll come back and we'll talk some Ant versus LeBron, Murray versus Harden.

00:50:43.17
Adz
Yes.

00:50:49.61
Russell Gibson
think maybe we should do Jordan EX2000. Yeah. All

00:50:52.43
Adz
Cool. Let's do it.

00:50:55.01
Russell Gibson
right.

00:51:03.24
Russell Gibson
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00:51:15.22
Russell Gibson
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00:51:33.37
Russell Gibson
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00:51:56.22
Russell Gibson
And just general good banter and good advice from the lads. head over to fastbreaktradingcards.com. They've also got a really well built out website.

00:52:08.17
Russell Gibson
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00:52:28.69
Russell Gibson
Adam! It's the last quarter.

00:52:32.14
Adz
The last quarter. is that That's the point that I switched off the Lakers game.

00:52:33.69
Russell Gibson
let's Let's not fade hard like the Pistons did versus the Knicks. We need to finish strong.

00:52:42.54
Adz
Like the Timberwolves did against the Lakers.

00:52:44.91
Russell Gibson
That's right. Should we talk about your beloved Timberwolves?

00:52:49.31
Adz
My beloved Timberwolves. You mean my beloved Julius Randle?

00:52:51.57
Russell Gibson
Oh, sorry.

00:52:52.47
Adz
My beloved Julius Randle who ruined the day for my beloved Lakers.

00:52:52.51
Russell Gibson
Sorry, sorry.

00:52:59.54
Russell Gibson
Do we want to talk about that?

00:52:59.61
Adz
The luckless Luka Lakers.

00:53:00.63
Russell Gibson
All right, let's...

00:53:03.38
Adz
We could, we let's let's let's let's move to the 6v3, the other 6v3.

00:53:06.96
Russell Gibson
you You give me the breakdown of the Lakers game because I'm not going lie to you. I didn't watch it.

00:53:11.94
Adz
i

00:53:11.98
Russell Gibson
um i might watch the highlights, but...

00:53:13.76
Adz
I ah watched the first quarter, I was impressed. Then by the half, I was a little bit miffed, for better use of a term.

00:53:16.31
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:53:19.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep.

00:53:20.81
Adz
And then by the end of it, I switched it off.

00:53:22.86
Russell Gibson
So what happened? Where did they fall apart?

00:53:25.09
Adz
Fast break points, simple as that. um

00:53:27.02
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:53:28.01
Adz
the the The Timberwolves got out and ran in transition and they killed us on the fast break.

00:53:32.99
Russell Gibson
OK.

00:53:33.08
Adz
um I feel like a number of adjustments need to be made, but they've exposed the Lakers biggest weakness.

00:53:39.40
Russell Gibson
Which is?

00:53:40.22
Adz
um Transition. really, really, really weak on the transition side. Plus they've ah also got the big timber with Rudy Gobert. I thought the Lakers were going to play Gobert off the gate, out of the game.

00:53:54.43
Adz
Instead, Jackson Hayes was subbed out very early um because he's ineffective against Gobert.

00:53:54.46
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:54:00.81
Adz
So I think this is probably the Lakers' worst matchup in in the playoff picture, um scheme-wise.

00:54:06.29
Russell Gibson
Interesting.

00:54:08.54
Adz
And while Ant came and did Ant things, Julius Randle really stepped up.

00:54:08.62
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:54:13.02
Adz
um and And yeah, the Timberwolves took game one, even though Luka dropped points a go-go.

00:54:23.09
Russell Gibson
What a fun game plan for the wolves. So i literally just run them off the floor like that.

00:54:28.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:28.79
Russell Gibson
It's actually genius when you laid out as simply as you did. All right.

00:54:31.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:32.59
Russell Gibson
Julius Randle. PSA 10 base. Unfortunately, i can't find the silver data on this. Population population is 216. Last traded for $23. Sorry, last traded for $40. Do we need to talk about that too much more?

00:54:44.76
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:54:45.17
Adz
Not really. um

00:54:47.64
Russell Gibson
And then the other one is Rudy Gobert. Have we ever spoke about Rudy Gobert's prices?

00:54:53.87
Adz
Probably not.

00:54:56.89
Russell Gibson
I'm actually surprised he has...

00:54:59.82
Adz
Is on card letter?

00:55:01.08
Russell Gibson
he is.

00:55:02.00
Adz
Huh.

00:55:04.26
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, silver PSA 10, Rudy Gobert rookie card. This is select, actually. I should qualify that. Population on this 22.

00:55:11.71
Adz
Okay.

00:55:13.49
Russell Gibson
1850 it sold for last. So would you rather this or a Zubach?

00:55:18.23
Adz
ah

00:55:19.65
Russell Gibson
I would probably go this, actually. I'd go Gobert than a Zubach.

00:55:26.66
Adz
oh he's won some defensive player of the year stuff

00:55:28.68
Russell Gibson
You know, he's won some Defensive Players of the Year, He'll have some French collectors, you know, chasing after him. Yep.

00:55:36.11
Adz
youi you've got a point there on the um on the on the french collectors yeah that's true um Yeah, look, he's probably got a little bit more um hobby presence than than the likes of Zubatch.

00:55:50.28
Russell Gibson
He did that COVID thing that sort of made him a bit quotable and everyone was talking about him for a bit.

00:55:56.40
Adz
Well, or ragging on him more to the point for ruining, ruining, ruining the and NBA.

00:55:59.07
Russell Gibson
Or dirty fingers, yeah.

00:56:01.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:06.35
Adz
But yeah, Gobert's probably the only person in the T-Wolves that you really would say any hobby value is is with Anthony Edwards, wouldn't you?

00:56:06.69
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.

00:56:16.96
Russell Gibson
Should we do an Anthony Edwards review? We didn't.

00:56:19.17
Adz
Well, we can look at Anthony Edwards. We can just do the the the player versus player, Ant versus LeBron, shall we?

00:56:24.86
Russell Gibson
Sure. Let's do that.

00:56:25.69
Adz
Just straight into that, and then we can and then we can look at at Anthony Edwards' player.

00:56:26.16
Russell Gibson
Let's just go straight down to that. Yeah.

00:56:32.58
Adz
a little bit more closely. But we've got a 2020 Panini Prism Anthony Edwards Gold Prism Rookie Card PSA 9.

00:56:39.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:43.46
Adz
Last sold ah August for Gold Refractor 10.

00:56:51.40
Adz
versus two thousand and eight topps chrome lebron james gold refractor psa ten

00:57:00.87
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:57:01.26
Adz
Last sold for $51,000. That is the it's the horizontal card doing the the powder toss in the Cleveland uniform.

00:57:08.20
Russell Gibson
yeah do you Do you want to go first on this one, Ed?

00:57:13.38
Adz
I'm going to take the Bron because regardless how Anthony Edwards' career pans out, the the man on the right is up in the discussion regardless if you believe he is or not as that grow one of the greatest players of all time.

00:57:29.81
Adz
and the debate will continue until I guess it's set in stone. And then the but debate will continue once the stats are set in stone. um

00:57:38.88
Russell Gibson
I think that particular card and that particular image though is iconic that 2008 tops Chrome, or even the 2008 tops card is one of those cards that you should be buying when you see that it at the right price and you shouldn't be selling it.

00:57:39.10
Adz
Once that man retires. so

00:57:42.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:47.15
Adz
Hmm.

00:57:53.73
Adz
Hmm.

00:57:54.81
Russell Gibson
You should just be putting it away. Like there's some cards that it's fine. It'll be a liquid card and, and you can buy it and sell it.

00:57:59.57
Adz
It's historic, yep.

00:58:01.80
Russell Gibson
There's also some cards that you should just sort of hang on to because they're the right cards to hang on to.

00:58:03.85
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:58:06.22
Russell Gibson
I put that into that category.

00:58:07.97
Adz
Completely.

00:58:08.87
Russell Gibson
This one's really hard for me because I think that card again is iconic, but at the same time, in terms of spike value and picking up a card that has risk attached to it in terms of being able to triple its value.

00:58:23.81
Russell Gibson
Like I think that LeBron card might go to say

00:58:24.88
Adz
Mm.

00:58:27.25
Russell Gibson
It might go to say 70K, but that Edwards card has the potential to go to 150.

00:58:29.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:34.16
Russell Gibson
The way that the market is at the moment with some of the rookie cards that are selling,

00:58:34.46
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:39.78
Russell Gibson
there's not a lot of explanation for it sometimes other than just the market catches fire and you've got two collectors bidding each other. And then, you know, this is what happens. And so i would, you know, so if I'm going for the gamble, I'm going for the Edwards.

00:58:48.66
Adz
True.

00:58:52.39
Russell Gibson
If I'm going just for an all-time card, I'll just go for the LeBron.

00:58:55.32
Adz
Gone to LeBron.

00:58:56.30
Russell Gibson
Look, I think if I have to, you know, you're putting a gun to my head, I'm taking the LeBron just because that is such a classic card.

00:59:01.85
Adz
yeah

00:59:02.92
Russell Gibson
But that is, this is a really difficult one for me. It's actually a really great um one versus one.

00:59:06.20
Adz
yeah

00:59:09.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:09.57
Russell Gibson
Let's just change.

00:59:09.74
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. I do think, just with Edwards, that he's one of those players that I feel like he's going to be the new face of the league.

00:59:13.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:18.62
Adz
Like, he's approaching that level. I don't know if he does that in Minnesota. i don't i don't know if that's dependent on Minnesota. But this kid, this this kid...

00:59:26.70
Russell Gibson
I really, yeah.

00:59:31.31
Adz
Has a lot of self-bully. That's a good way to put it.

00:59:33.15
Russell Gibson
He is so full of confidence. I agree with you, but I also judge.

00:59:37.32
Adz
Can you overdose on confidence?

00:59:37.77
Russell Gibson
I don't think I think he has. And I think that he's off the court decision-making like that that story that came out recently with his paternity testing and then paying out all of the child support in one go.

00:59:52.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:53.04
Russell Gibson
Like the bravado on that guy is just next level.

00:59:58.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:58.89
Russell Gibson
I don't know. I just think, yeah, he's, do you know what part of this is? Is we've just had basically 20 years of LeBron and Steph who were like,

01:00:10.04
Russell Gibson
clean cut dudes with virtually not a piece of baggage attached to them. You can say what you want about LeBron, you know, not everyone sees cup of tea, but this next crop are like, John Moran's throwing bombs into the crowd.

01:00:22.69
Adz
Next level.

01:00:23.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:23.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

01:00:24.13
Russell Gibson
It's like, it's like the TikTok generations coming through to rule the world, you know, something like this.

01:00:28.89
Adz
It's pretty scary, isn't it?

01:00:28.92
Russell Gibson
Like, and maybe it's just, maybe it's just me.

01:00:29.93
Adz
a

01:00:30.86
Russell Gibson
I'm an old man and I'm 40 years old and these young kids, you know, whatever. But there's also a part of it's like, is this what we really want is Anthony Edwards is going to be the face of the m NBA?

01:00:42.51
Adz
oh

01:00:43.27
Russell Gibson
Like really?

01:00:45.13
Adz
We'll see what happens.

01:00:45.48
Russell Gibson
Or do we want, or do we want some fat guy who's out of shape to be the face of the league?

01:00:45.93
Adz
It's about what he does on the court.

01:00:51.64
Adz
He's already up there.

01:00:51.91
Russell Gibson
I mean, my preference is Luca, honestly.

01:00:54.30
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:55.94
Russell Gibson
actually think he's a good dude. And I think Nico Harrison should be like,

01:00:58.15
Adz
I think Luka is a great face of the league, but you need that... I feel like you need that personality type. You need the Tatum personality type. You need the Edwards personality type.

01:01:09.89
Adz
You need the Luka personality type.

01:01:11.20
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah, yeah, sure.

01:01:11.92
Adz
You need the mixed bag... to to present. you know So Luka might take the Steph mantle of the ah fun player.

01:01:17.30
Russell Gibson
But I still think there has to be... Yeah. he's...

01:01:24.00
Adz
Edwards might take the the Kobe mantle. We'll see what his killer instincts like like in the playoffs.

01:01:27.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:31.77
Adz
Who knows?

01:01:32.19
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:01:33.17
Adz
but like then you Or maybe that's Tatum's role. Maybe the killer becomes Tatum. That's his next step. Who knows? But they're going to take there's gonna be there's gonna be the fun guy and I think Luca and Steph have that, they work the crowd and they love playing the game.

01:01:51.18
Adz
And you're gonna have those cold-blooded killers that go out and put up stats.

01:01:54.61
Russell Gibson
Oh, God, that is such a good comp of Luka to Steph, actually, when you say it like that.

01:01:59.85
Adz
The trick shots, the fun, the, the I just love basketball.

01:02:03.15
Russell Gibson
But is he is he good as good as a leader as what Steph is being? Like, that's the other one that...

01:02:08.09
Adz
That's to be seen, right?

01:02:09.21
Russell Gibson
it's Like, for me, that's the really underrated part about Steph.

01:02:11.65
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:12.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:13.06
Adz
Yeah. I think that that that's a a um eagerly have a Luke Longley into the future.

01:02:19.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely. right, we've run out of time today, so let's just do this last card and then we'll tie it off. It's the 1996 EX Michael Jordan net assets.

01:02:31.09
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, population is 42 on this. This is from Card Ladder. It's one of their ladder headlines. Now, I put this into this week's show. there's been Actually, there's been a lot of sort of old school stuff selling the last couple of weeks.

01:02:44.42
Russell Gibson
We can't talk about every even though i find these fascinating to talk about. But for me in particular, the graphics on this is just 10 out of 10. This is an A plus card for me.

01:02:57.67
Russell Gibson
I think aesthetically, it's just very pleasing.

01:03:00.35
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:00.60
Russell Gibson
The population is just delicious. And I think what's very interesting for me though too, is look at the all time sales data on this. So flatlined from 2010 to And exponentially gone

01:03:11.13
Adz
Yep.

01:03:14.15
Russell Gibson
twenty and then from twenty twenty one it's just

01:03:19.70
Russell Gibson
And we've been talking about these cards in the context of what's the next card to pop off. And probably if I'd spoken about this card before, I would have said, well, we've missed the boat. It can't go up any higher.

01:03:31.92
Russell Gibson
And then just like, just like Jalen Brunson or just like Nicole Yorkic.

01:03:32.80
Adz
You see stuff like this, yeah.

01:03:36.41
Russell Gibson
And then it's got another kick still to go. So, um, I mean, how much more, how much more from 10,000, you know, can this card go up though?

01:03:40.84
Adz
Yeah, the market never fails to surprise us.

01:03:46.24
Russell Gibson
Like, that's my real concern with this. I feel like that's,

01:03:49.32
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:49.35
Russell Gibson
Like that has to be the top surely. Yeah.

01:03:51.36
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:53.71
Russell Gibson
Look, I think the art on that is just fantastic. And, and maybe, so how do you, how do you equate this to today's cards? Do you sit down and look at cards that are coming out and say, this is going to be the next big thing.

01:04:06.09
Russell Gibson
So for example, the manga cards that are coming out at the moment, the sales on those have been really strong, sort of that 2000 to 5,000 USD, depending on the player.

01:04:16.15
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:16.97
Russell Gibson
So do you, Can you correlate that to, you know, these type of sales and you say in the future, so, okay, so it's 2000 today.

01:04:20.34
Adz
To these.

01:04:24.57
Adz
God, it's...

01:04:24.66
Russell Gibson
Is this going to be a $10,000 card in 20 years?

01:04:25.23
Adz
it's

01:04:28.40
Russell Gibson
You know? Yep.

01:04:31.75
Adz
It's very interesting. I'm...

01:04:35.09
Adz
Look, if I was going to put my two cents out into the universe, I would be...

01:04:38.99
Russell Gibson
You better be Adam. I'm expecting you to.

01:04:41.78
Adz
i would be looking at unique inserts...

01:04:45.97
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:04:46.39
Adz
surrounding particular players, those particular players being LeBron, Steph.

01:04:50.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:53.25
Adz
They're the two at the moment, LeBron, Steph. Obviously, depending how the the careers of other people like Luka and Tatum and that evolve.

01:05:02.37
Russell Gibson
Or put them into the same sentence. So I think collecting inserts of those guys would be fine too.

01:05:06.04
Adz
Sure, i but but if they become that face of the league and that greatest of all time, they end up in that era-defining

01:05:06.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:13.28
Adz
roll and not just another superstar, then then i think it it reflects. Because I think the same thing will happy happen with Kobe.

01:05:24.23
Adz
And then LeBron. And then Steph. That's Mount Rushmore, though, in my eyes.

01:05:28.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:30.97
Russell Gibson
No, it makes sense. I think that's like a very reasonable.

01:05:32.21
Adz
big Because you're not... you You don't have it with Magic. You don't have it with Bill Russell. You don't have it with... you know what I mean? Like, they didn't have inserts.

01:05:38.84
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

01:05:42.68
Adz
So Jordan's... the first one that had all these rarities to collect.

01:05:51.80
Adz
So it's it's it's the blueprint, really. It's

01:05:55.29
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:05:57.71
Russell Gibson
I like it.

01:05:58.03
Adz
a very good very good card to finish on.

01:05:59.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, great one.

01:06:01.94
Adz
Awesome.

01:06:01.99
Russell Gibson
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01:06:14.02
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01:06:26.69
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01:06:49.18
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:49.25
Russell Gibson
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01:06:57.46
Adz
No.

01:06:58.85
Russell Gibson
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01:07:11.99
Adz
See you in the next one.