You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 210: Big Balls, Big Buckets & Big Sales: Playoffs & the State of the Hobby
From Coach Pop’s legacy to the rise of Will Hardy and Mike Brown — we look at the real power behind the bench.
NBA Playoffs Update:
- Cavs vs Pacers: Big plays, big… energy
- Celtics vs Knicks: Mikal Bridges goes off, Tatum stays steady
- Warriors eliminate Houston: Steph’s hamstring + Thompson card sale
- Nuggets vs OKC: Aaron Gordon showing up
- Bucks' outlook + Beal trade rumours
- Booker extension buzz
State of the Hobby:
- @bostoncardhunter highlights 9 straight quarters of growth
- Kobe Kaboom + Jordan Thrill Seekers
- “Do you believe this guy??” moment of the week
Fast takes, market heat, and playoff pulse — all in one.
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Russell Gibson
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Adz
He's 210.
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Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 210 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
And the NBA playoffs, ah ah series? A series? I was told, well, I was told you it's not a series until someone loses at home.
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Russell Gibson
Series is.
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Adz
I figured the struggle in this series has been winning at home. So we've got some series thiszzors going on.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
It's just been good basketball.
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Adz
It's been great to watch. Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
For sure. not Not if you're Boston though.
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Russell Gibson
And yeah, even if it's not your team, I think you could just still sit down and just like watch some good hoops.
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Adz
Oh, no, I like watching Boston lose. It's great.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. think skill level has been high. I think it's like ultra competitive. I mean, the playoffs are always a lot more competitive than the regular season, but I love that sort of high energy. It's like Michael Porter Jr. playing today with like 16 centimeters of tape wrapped around his shoulder. You know, like you just don't see that stuff in the regular season.
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Russell Gibson
Like, I love that.
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Adz
Yeah, I think it's, that's some pretty special stuff for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, hello, Adam. I hope you're well. Hello to our friends in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, Germany, and any other countries that we have missed.
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Russell Gibson
Thank you so much for tuning in.
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Adz
What? Yeah, wherever in the world you are from, welcome. Welcome and thanks for tuning in.
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Russell Gibson
And of course, to our friends on the interwebs, the Central Coast Radio crew. So hello, hello. Hope you're well. Hopefully you enjoyed today's show and I think we should just get straight into it, Ed. And kick off from last week where we spoke about Coach Pop. I think just two weeks in a row we're going to start off with that on the show just because we can.
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Russell Gibson
Just again reiterating that he is retiring from coaching and going into the Jefe role. hope I pronounced that properly for the Spurs. He did an amazing video with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili at his side where he took off his jacket
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then had the El Jefe t-shirt on. And if you're someone like myself who does not speak Espanol, that translates to the boss or the chief.
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Russell Gibson
So I'm loving this older version of Pop where he has like a very wicked sense of humor.
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Adz
No.
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Russell Gibson
And he he deserves like every moment of this. We're not going to go through all the card talk like what we did last week.
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Adz
nine
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Russell Gibson
But I did want fill out more... of the coaching tree. Because last week, I think I named them maybe two or three. And really, that doesn't do it justice.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So Will Hardy, Steve Kerr, Doc Rivers, Quinn Snyder, Hugh Doker of the Houston Rockets, Mike Brown, Budenholzer, which we spoke about last week, Taylor Jenkins.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I forgot about Taylor Jenkins. Brett Brown, we mentioned. PJ Calissimo. So this is after he got choked by Sprewell. My recollection was he was a bit sort of ostracized around the league and then he came back into Pop's system.
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Adz
yeah
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Adz
ye
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Russell Gibson
James Borrego, Jack Vaughn. You forget about all these guys. Jim Boylan.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So he was the Chicago coach that put his arms around that player's neck. I think that's what I'm mostly going to remember Jim Boylan for.
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Adz
Oh, wow. Yeah,
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Russell Gibson
And then Joe Putney, which is probably... one of the lesser known people, but he's still kicking around the league. I think he's in like in a front office capacity now. So, all right, that's enough of that. But I still wanted to, you know, do that justice and just, I think we should.
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Adz
Oh, look, giving giving time to give poppies flowers for sure.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, the guy's an absolute living legend.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So the next link here is about the playoffs. So Ad, why don't you choose a series to talk about? i think we should talk about all four series today because there's been a lot going on in and every series.
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Adz
Oh, there's so much happening.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
So much happening. um Look, let's go with...
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Adz
Should we start on a on ah high note? Yeah, let's go straight. Let's go into the East and let's go to the 1v4 matchup.
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Russell Gibson
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
Sure.
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Adz
That is Cleveland versus the Indiana Pacers.
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Russell Gibson
All right, great. I've got ah fair bit to talk about on this one, but I would love you to go first though, because otherwise i'm just going to hog the mic.
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Adz
No worries.
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Russell Gibson
So where are you at with this?
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Adz
i really i I love watching the underdog like throw haymakers in the beginning of a series like this.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I think we can all say we've been absent on the Tyrese Halliburton train this year. i think I think he sort of dropped off radars a little bit.
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Adz
he He made a couple of appearances, but since the Olympics he sort of wasn't on people's radars. And this is the coming of, of Tyrese, I think.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, I think we've spoken about Halliburton more than other media outlets have.
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Adz
Agreed. But in general, i think he is, he he is, he is gone.
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Russell Gibson
To be fair. Yeah, yeah.
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Adz
And he's like, yeah, yeah, correct.
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Russell Gibson
Are you talking about just in the general media, not many people talk about him? Sure.
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Adz
Correct.
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Russell Gibson
Okay, yeah. Okay, that's a fair call. Yeah.
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Adz
um But I think that being like two zero up on the Cavs, that was, that's pretty, it's pretty crazy.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think where we should probably go from that is that where he misses the free throw, gets his own rebound, dribbles it back out and hits that absolute dagger three and then does the Sam Cassell big balls dance.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
And I put that up as our profile picture for a couple of days, literally just to celebrate that shot.
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Adz
i did say that Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
It was absolutely epic. And I loved it from the guy. And also too, I loved it how he didn't care. Like he knew he was going to get a fine. And he's like...
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Adz
but Whatever.
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Russell Gibson
that was worth That was worth every bit of it.
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Adz
Two up to the game.
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Russell Gibson
And so...
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Adz
And it's by the way, yes, correction. They are they are currently leading 2-1. ah They did drop that home game yesterday.
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Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.
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Adz
It
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Russell Gibson
Big balls dance, put them up 2-0. Yeah.
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Adz
ah did. It put them up to zero and And I think that was at that point it was...
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
hu Maybe Indiana do have a crack at this thing.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
that Maybe they're sneaky a lot better than people give them credit and they've been building this roster and tuning it for a while.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, they've absolutely.
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Adz
Go
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Russell Gibson
All right. So I've got three points to run through with this. So the first thing is that while we have the James Harden, who is an amazing regular season player, but always seems to be a little bit flaky in the playoffs, is Tyrese Halliburton the anti-James Harden, where he's
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Adz
good for it.
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Russell Gibson
very, very good in the regular season, but actually is better in the playoffs. And I think the the knock on him a couple of years ago was that he wasn't taking clutch shots or he couldn't make clutch shots.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Whereas this playoffs already, he's already hit two... clutch slash game winning shots. So I think that that's something clearly it's been on his mind and he's put you know a lot of work into that.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So I think that's the first part for me.
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Adz
For sure.
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Russell Gibson
The second part is other pace is just a really lucky team. Cause remember last year they went to the Eastern conference finals. And if we're being honest, that was really based on injury issues.
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Adz
injuries. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
misfortune to their opposition. And they've had that a little bit this year again, like with Damian Lillard being out, I don't think Giannis was like a hundred percent.
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Adz
A hundred percent. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. You know, to like the peak of his ability.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then this year the same thing game two, like that Cavaliers team that was gutted of what three of their starters. And so, you know, you do have to acknowledge that, but at the same time, being healthy in the NBA is also ah skill is not the right word, but you have to be healthy to like go out and win games.
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Adz
sure True. True. True.
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Adz
But that's part of list management is keeping a healthy roster, yeah?
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Russell Gibson
So
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
And then i think the third and final thing for me about this series, which is really... becoming apparent in my mind a lot is that and you spoke about this just a second ago with them building a team but I think when you're building a team around Halliburton he makes everybody better and so like a couple of weeks ago I was talking about Obi Toppin I was saying look I'd really like to see him be a starting four in this league but then when you think about it then he wouldn't have Halliburton setting him up so maybe he wouldn't be as effective as maybe I'm anticipating
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Adz
yeah yeah
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Russell Gibson
And then you think about Myles Turney. Like, well, look, Myles Turney is a fantastic player and and he would be successful in other systems, but pairing him with Halliburton is an amazing one-two punch.
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Russell Gibson
Maybe that's something they need to tap into a little bit more, but at the same time too, like he is really good at setting up his teammates and just making a team offense.
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Adz
yeah um
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Russell Gibson
and And this might be a little bit sacrilegious because of how good Jokic is, but Maybe Halliburton is in that conversation of like the top five playmakers in the league. So you've got Jokic, you've got LeBron slash Luka.
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Russell Gibson
Then maybe is it Halliburton after that?
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Adz
Well,
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Russell Gibson
Like who else would you put in that conversation for playmakers at the moment?
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Adz
that's a really good question. um
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Adz
Yeah, i think I think you're right. um
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Adz
The playmaking ability is is is probably the standout and and that's – Funnily enough, the the fact that I can't put SGA in that conversation is is the reason that I've got Jokic as MVP in my eyes.
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Adz
um
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. You don't think he play makes enough?
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Adz
and Do you know what i mean? Like, no, he just scored.
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Russell Gibson
but No, no.
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Adz
lober But I think he playmakes, but not enough. I think he's a scorer, not a playmaker.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
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Adz
um And that's, to me, what differentiates.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
But that this isn't the Jokic discussion. But um you're right. but This guy... To me, it's the comp of ah of one of those, like, he's like that that Stockton level facilitator, Tyrese.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And it's, yeah, i think I think he's underrated in that skill.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
You have a 20 assist game or three 20 assist games or something. Was that last season? It's a while back, but.
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Russell Gibson
Look, um I'll be shocked if he hasn't had, yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah. He's had some insane assist games, but then he's clutch scoring.
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Russell Gibson
I haven't, i haven't got those numbers in front me.
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Adz
Like, don't know, he's taken it he's taken another step, but it's come it's wait we've waited until the playoffs to see it, which is the right end of the season to be doing it, by the way, unless you don't make the playoffs.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think for sure. I think that's definitely like something for me that stood out too, is that he
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Actually, watched a decent amount. I wouldn't say I watched a lot of them, but I watched a decent amount of paces.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You see, like, they've been always, like, a fun team for me to watch. But I think he – and maybe it's just that his minutes have gone up a little bit and they're running more plays for Maybe that's all it is.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
But at the same time, I think he's definitely producing at a lot higher level.
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Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
So, yeah, Nicole Jokic I think we have to talk about in terms of playmaking. I think we have talk about Jalen Brunson.
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Adz
Oh, yeah, Brunson.
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Russell Gibson
SGA sda is actually definitely up there in terms of the assist to turnover ratio and then like the assist percentage.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Actually, Giannis is at 6.6 assists a game this year, which is like quite high.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
What else we got here? Cade Cunningham at 8.7 assists a game.
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Adz
He's probably one of the other ones in that that that sort of upper echelon as well.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we have to acknowledge that, don't we?
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Adz
And I think that's a, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And James Harden is at 9 assists a game, so we can't really like look past him.
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Russell Gibson
Halliburton's at 10 assists a game.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
What else have we got? Yeah, I think putting him in the top five playmakers in the league is like is very reasonable. So,
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Adz
Oh, without a doubt.
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Russell Gibson
Now, let's talk card value because if you look at him for the last three months, he's up 79%. So he was basically at 150. He's now nearly up to 300 at the moment.
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Russell Gibson
And let's just shorten that interval just a little bit more. yeah so he's shortened that down to a month, he's plus 49%. So I think this is 100% directly related to the playoffs.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And I'd probably say what we should do is look at the last two years and
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Adz
Oh, wait. Sorry, I was looking at the base card. I'm like, what? It's not a very expensive card at all. Here we go.
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Russell Gibson
So I think what we're seeing in the last two years, so he was up to 500.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Then he went down all the way down to basically 150. Now he's coming back up again. So what I was going to say was, you know, maybe let him settle back down again, you know after the playoffs are finished. Because maybe he's that type of guy that does just is a little bit volatile going up and down, depending on sort of his high end performances. But even still, like looking at that,
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Russell Gibson
He really came off the boil, didn't he?
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Adz
Yeah, it's been a bit of a journey. Yeah, yeah, he dropped right.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Where there was a lot of hype around him with that sort of 500, but then he really fell off. So look, he might've.
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Adz
I'm still surprised you could get him but you could pick him up for less than 200. Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um yeah
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Russell Gibson
Look, I think that if you're buying him for that sort of $150 to $200 mark, even up to $250, I think actually that's a very safe purchase. I can't imagine him going less than $150. That would be my you know gut feeling on this card.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
But I have to like say, ah i really feel like this is the type of card that you would want to like before you purchase it. I don't think this is like a guaranteed flip. but This is not like a Luke or an Anthony Edwards. This is sort of ah a bit of a tear down.
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Adz
Yeah, it's definitely not Ant.
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Russell Gibson
As much as we're frothing over this guy at the moment, I think.
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Adz
Look, I think there's a big difference between his level of play and his hobby love. That's for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, and he might be just one of those guys that is a little bit overlooked.
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Adz
Yep.
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Adz
And we all know, well what about Indiana as a big market team?
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Russell Gibson
Just really quickly.
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Adz
like So we've got to think about that from a hobby perspective. So, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Just really quickly before we move on to the next series, Kenny Atkinson is also the coach of the year.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So congratulations to Kenny. 100% deserves that. Yeah. deserve that
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Adz
Yep. No arguments here. That's...
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
Yeah, there's nothing about that decision, that that award that, um like he's earned it. there's a few There were a few contenders there and everyone was deserving. So, yeah, congrats to Kenny Atkinson.
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Russell Gibson
Celtics Knicks is the next series we should talk about. Knicks are currently up two games to one. I don't know how much we should talk about this, but I found a couple of funny tweets on this. So... um I can't read this word for word because it's a little bit racially insensitive, but this is from crackcobain underscore underscore.
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Adz
ah
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Russell Gibson
My N word, Steve Kerr, really saved the USA from Jason Tatum in the Olympics. Remember that was that whole thing of like, oh, Jason Tatum's not getting time, you know, da, da, da, da.
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Adz
Because he got benched. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
I think that was an amazingly timed tweet there. So that was like, well played, sir.
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Adz
Very well played.
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Russell Gibson
ah Bridges stat line. This is a, I love these type of stat lines where it actually like tells you nothing, but actually says everything. This is from the Dunk Central, not Dunk Centel. 51 minutes, elite defense.
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Russell Gibson
Give him his flowers. A hundred percent. I think that the Knicks paid an insanely high fee.
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Adz
Damn right.
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Russell Gibson
for bridges Like you actually can make the argument they paid more for bridges than what the Lakers paid for Luka in terms of draft equity and actual players going across the table. But when he played the game that he did the other night, he like that, that's why they brought him into that system for that.
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Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.
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Adz
this is This is literally, this is the series they brought him in for.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
It was to beat Boston and that's what they're currently doing.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. So I think let's just really quickly look at Jason Tatum at the moment, because I think that we have been struggling with his value the last 12 months in that. So we've said two things about Tatum, that he's probably the most underrated person in the league.
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Russell Gibson
And the other thing that we've been using Tatum for is essentially like a measuring stick for everybody else.
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Adz
Agreed.
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Russell Gibson
So we're like, okay, if we call Tatum the measuring stick, are you above or are you below Tatum? And then we'll sort of, you know, comp it out like that. And I actually feel like for me, I felt very comfortable with this.
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Adz
ah It's funny.
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Russell Gibson
But then when a huge blip, yeah.
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Adz
There was a blip.
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Russell Gibson
So look, that could be a real sale or it could be a fake one. But at the same time too, it's not.
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Russell Gibson
Oh, it is pretty high, isn't it? It's basically up to like nearly 1200 bucks.
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Adz
But that's a one-off sale and in April, and then from then on it's back to between 780 and 820.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
you know what mean? Yep. Well... know a mean
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So let's go to the last six months because for me, this is probably the most telling part of this. He's basically flat. He's minus 0.39%. point three nine percent
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Adz
yep
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Russell Gibson
you know i I would be expecting hear that Tyrese Halliburton type raise going into the playoffs.
00:16:35.80
Adz
but
00:16:36.47
Russell Gibson
you know He's the leading guy, but really there's been so little buzz around the Celtics. And if anything, they're only down one game in the series.
00:16:44.48
Adz
All right, this is this is crazy.
00:16:46.66
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
00:16:47.33
Adz
You go in the two weeks, growth of point plus 0.92.
00:16:49.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:16:52.34
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:16:52.85
Adz
You go out to a month, minus 6%. Oh, wow, the the needle's moving less than 10.
00:16:58.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:16:59.41
Adz
Right? Ready again?
00:17:00.12
Russell Gibson
He's very, very steady, isn't he?
00:17:01.82
Adz
Three months plus 3%.
00:17:01.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:03.40
Adz
so right three percent Six months like you said.
00:17:04.78
Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.
00:17:07.65
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. three nine
00:17:08.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:09.82
Adz
like like you said
00:17:10.12
Russell Gibson
So that's the floor of a Tatum card, isn't it? The floor is so like basically 800, you know?
00:17:12.55
Adz
yeah twelve
00:17:14.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:15.28
Adz
12 months plus 4.3.
00:17:19.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:23.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:23.83
Adz
If that's not just steady,
00:17:27.01
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:17:29.33
Adz
and we're not saying that the hub, there's been no real explosions in the hobby. um The market, like market's been very stable, flat,
00:17:38.33
Russell Gibson
I think some cards have been stable. I think some cards have gone up a lot, but I would also probably say too, a lot of stuff is probably still going down. and
00:17:45.89
Adz
Yeah, but I feel like that I think the things that are going down are going down to where they should be maybe.
00:17:46.17
Russell Gibson
Like we,
00:17:50.39
Russell Gibson
yeah, sure. Yep.
00:17:51.34
Adz
And this is what Jason Tatum is the is the level.
00:17:51.68
Russell Gibson
Definitely.
00:17:55.37
Adz
Sure, there's a blip every now and then, and that's just that that showed you that $1,200. That's someone probably paying overs because they can see it will eventually track up.
00:17:59.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:04.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:04.18
Adz
But that 12 months plus 4%, it's like a steady investment really.
00:18:11.84
Russell Gibson
Very, very, very steady.
00:18:13.39
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:13.47
Russell Gibson
um Really quickly before we go to a break, your favoured green in the last six months is up 15%. That's actually trading at nearly $1,800 and the population on that's $196.
00:18:22.13
Adz
That's yeah.
00:18:25.48
Russell Gibson
those greens are... those greens
00:18:27.75
Adz
Still my favorite. That's still my favorite. Yep.
00:18:30.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So the population on that, I suspect actually is going to be low forever. And the reason for that is that 17, 18 green prisms were all off cut. So I don't think you need to be too scared about the population, you know, 10Xing on those at any time or fashion.
00:18:46.51
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:18:46.65
Adz
Yep. Yep.
00:18:49.47
Russell Gibson
Alrighty.
00:18:49.52
Adz
yeah
00:18:50.12
Russell Gibson
Let us go to a break.
00:18:54.68
Russell Gibson
What ad should we do first today, Ad? How about Game Time International?
00:18:58.10
Adz
Uh, yeah, let's go with let's go with GTI first up, first and foremost.
00:18:58.96
Russell Gibson
I think last week they went last. so Thank you very much, Game Time International. We very much appreciate your support. You will find them on Instagram. You'll also find them at gametimeinternational.com.
00:19:12.48
Russell Gibson
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00:19:28.00
Russell Gibson
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00:19:41.51
Russell Gibson
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00:20:00.36
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. Let's get to the Western Conference playoffs.
00:20:01.74
Adz
We are.
00:20:05.47
Adz
We've done the East. East is done. Now we can get stuck into the West.
00:20:07.71
Russell Gibson
That's pretty good for us, to be honest.
00:20:11.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:12.57
Adz
You can choose you can choose this one.
00:20:12.68
Russell Gibson
So let, well, let's do Thunder and Nuggets because the question I've got for you is who is your surprise player from this series so far?
00:20:24.21
Adz
Aaron Gordon. that's
00:20:25.39
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:20:26.18
Adz
that's That's all I got. Aaron aaron Gordon. but Without Aaron Gordon, the Nuggets aren't up 2-1.
00:20:33.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:34.19
Adz
Jokic is doing what Jokic normally does. Aaron Gordon has gone to another level. That's...
00:20:41.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:20:43.80
Russell Gibson
yeah he Yeah, I think he has been very, very consistent for them.
00:20:47.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:20:48.33
Russell Gibson
And I think the other thing for me is so that stood out was his three-point shooting. He hit that really clutch shot at the end of the game of game three.
00:20:55.52
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:56.98
Russell Gibson
And that's not something I really associate with him. Like he can shoot threes, but I don't associate him with being like a knockdown clutch three-point shooter. Like if that was...
00:21:04.25
Adz
More like a dunk contest guy than a three point guy. Yeah.
00:21:07.10
Russell Gibson
I more think of him as like a glue guy. He sort of, you know, does a bit of rebounding and defending and just sort of like, you know, fits him with the best player in the world. Right. So for me, when he hit that shot, i was like, that was, you know, insane.
00:21:16.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:18.57
Russell Gibson
i was really loving that. I think my surprise of this series has been Jalen Williams, because I think if we're being honest about the Thunder roster is that they really made it a decision around Josh Gideon that probably,
00:21:28.36
Adz
Yeah, Yep.
00:21:33.46
Russell Gibson
it was going to be addition by subtraction with him is that I don't think they thought Josh Giddey was a bad player, but I think that they thought if they took him away, that would give SGA the ball in his hands more.
00:21:44.22
Russell Gibson
it would also give more shots to people like Jalen Williams. And I think what's really played out this year is that he probably is a better scorer than Josh Giddey. And the ball was better off to be in SGA's hand than Josh Giddey.
00:21:54.25
Adz
yeah
00:21:56.48
Russell Gibson
So I think in that sense, it was like a true win-win. And this is not me hating on Josh Giddey, by the way.
00:21:59.38
Adz
True.
00:22:01.13
Russell Gibson
Like, I'm just trying to like, you know, play this out. But the thing that is really, it's actually taking me back a little bit. And to be honest, I should have like picked up on this already. Just the size of that kid.
00:22:12.44
Russell Gibson
So they were talking about his wingspan on the broadcast that they're saying. It's like seven four two seven foot three Like, that is insane.
00:22:17.57
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:18.55
Russell Gibson
and And I think that one thing I really like about the Thunder is how much they switch and they just play all over the place.
00:22:19.49
Adz
True.
00:22:24.16
Russell Gibson
And I'll put Chet in this conversation too. That kid is just like, go, go, gadget, you know?
00:22:29.03
Adz
Out of this, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:29.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And look, and he's skinny and he still is skinny, but like his versatility around the court, it's just like having three or four guards out there just all playing this like really fluid catch and shoot.
00:22:42.41
Russell Gibson
pump fake, you know, drive to the basket.
00:22:42.61
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:43.85
Russell Gibson
Like, it's just such good basketball. And so... um
00:22:48.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:49.40
Russell Gibson
I would actually like to talk to Andrew Bogut about this.
00:22:50.18
Adz
Look,
00:22:51.60
Russell Gibson
Because, like, he was saying the other day, oh, every team plays the same. But it's like, hang on a minute.
00:22:55.18
Adz
it's nonsense, absolute nonsense.
00:22:56.11
Russell Gibson
you You contrast the offense between Denver and OKC. Like, those are, like, incredibly different offenses. You contrast that to the Lakers, to the Cavs, to the Celtics.
00:23:05.89
Adz
Well, you look at Golden State versus Minnesota.
00:23:09.33
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:23:10.44
Adz
you know what I mean?
00:23:10.62
Russell Gibson
I left...
00:23:10.88
Adz
like this
00:23:12.06
Russell Gibson
I left Golden State on purpose just for the amount of three-pointers they shoot because I think that was Bogut's point.
00:23:14.94
Adz
True, true, true.
00:23:15.94
Russell Gibson
It's like every team showed so many three. It's like, well, I think the Thunder offense is just really cleverly created and and put together, honestly.
00:23:24.88
Adz
Hmm, hmm.
00:23:25.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. What else have you got for this series, man?
00:23:28.40
Adz
This series, this this could be, this could in me, this defines, this is going to either make or break the case for MVP, but surely it'll be announced.
00:23:29.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:38.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:40.27
Adz
do would Do you think MVP will be announced after this series or while this series is happening?
00:23:40.32
Russell Gibson
So my understanding...
00:23:45.55
Russell Gibson
MVP is normally at the end of round two. So it can be sort of like game six or seven. It depends on how the, you know, how the games play out.
00:23:53.45
Adz
Imagine if this goes to seven and they announce the MVP before game seven.
00:23:56.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So I think my understanding though, is that the playoffs shouldn't impact on the voting.
00:24:04.92
Adz
But it won't. The vote has been done.
00:24:05.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:07.04
Adz
the they
00:24:07.04
Russell Gibson
It's done, isn't it? Yeah.
00:24:08.08
Adz
The award has has been decided.
00:24:09.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:11.83
Adz
The point I'm going to make is the Nuggets take this. That's really Nikola Jokic going, what else do I need to do to prove that I'm the most valuable player in the league?
00:24:24.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. Yeah. yeah No, I get what you're saying with that. And I've got no no dispute there.
00:24:28.35
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:30.65
Russell Gibson
All right. So the obvious thing for us to do is to talk about SGA and Yoke in terms of the pricing.
00:24:30.99
Adz
And...
00:24:35.75
Russell Gibson
And we are going to do that.
00:24:35.88
Adz
yeah
00:24:36.79
Russell Gibson
Everyone at home, don't worry. But I think we also need to mix it up a little bit. So this week, we're going to talk about Aaron Gordon. I think in terms of hobby love, this guy is just like grossly overlooked.
00:24:49.29
Russell Gibson
And he...
00:24:49.82
Adz
Grossly overlooked.
00:24:50.90
Russell Gibson
i I think so. In terms of talent and in terms of resume, like he's really quietly just building up a really nice resume. So
00:24:57.16
Adz
I wonder if his prices ever spiked when ah when he won dunk contests.
00:24:57.41
Russell Gibson
oh
00:25:01.04
Russell Gibson
i don't think so. i I think he's the type of guy that, no one cares about. do you know what i mean So look, you know, are you going out to buy this as an investment? No, I don't think you are. Are you buying this because you collect and NBA players?
00:25:14.03
Russell Gibson
And okay. So for example, me, I do a hall of fame collection, which is a really fun one because you can pick up a lot of like old school vets that no one cares about.
00:25:18.20
Adz
Sure.
00:25:21.88
Adz
Mm. Yep.
00:25:23.21
Russell Gibson
and it's like, well, why am I buying these? Okay. Well, it's going into my hall of fame collection. You know, that's, that's kind of cool.
00:25:26.96
Adz
Mm.
00:25:27.99
Russell Gibson
So I think maybe you could speculate on that. He might be in the hall of fame one day. Look, I'm really trying to draw on strings here, trying to convince people to buy this guy. But look at this. So I found two comps, 1415 rookie card. It's a sticker autograph from Prism, but it's this beautiful color match blue, numbered to 349. That's sold for 27 USD.
00:25:50.10
Russell Gibson
This is an Excalibur dual patch. And this is one of the ones where i had the ball in it.
00:25:54.97
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:55.09
Russell Gibson
Again, sticker autograph that sold for $54. I really liked that card. Again, funnily enough, also numbered to 349.
00:26:02.34
Adz
Yep.
00:26:02.81
Russell Gibson
Look, I think that's frankly just delicious. I think that's a you know a really nice little pickup. Do I think that's going to spike or do I think you're going to lose all your money? No, I don't. I think that's going be a very, very safe purchase.
00:26:14.69
Russell Gibson
All right, now let's get to the big boys.
00:26:14.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:17.13
Russell Gibson
SGA has absolutely just spiked this year insanely. I think every TikToker, Instagrammer, YouTuber is talking about this kid, so we didn't we don't need to go on about this very much.
00:26:30.78
Russell Gibson
In the last six months, he's up 96%. he started at 600. He's currently trading 1,200. You huge, huge growth here.
00:26:37.08
Russell Gibson
you know just huge huge growth here
00:26:40.51
Adz
and it's And it is, it you're right. It's over the last six months and it and it seems to have, it's stabilizing.
00:26:46.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And for all those keeping track at home, i absolutely blew the call on this.
00:26:47.53
Adz
It's, yeah.
00:26:51.79
Russell Gibson
I was kind of like, look, I don't see this. i you know, I'm not liking where this is going. dada da And yeah, it just kept going up and up and up. So guys who did jump on, um congratulations.
00:27:03.92
Adz
gra yeah well Yeah, I'll say congrats.
00:27:04.78
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:27:06.50
Adz
I'm still i'm still out on the
00:27:11.52
Adz
I think if they lose this series, there are question marks over this card.
00:27:18.98
Adz
It goes back to Tatum.
00:27:19.18
Russell Gibson
I think it'll go down.
00:27:19.83
Adz
It goes back to Tatum.
00:27:21.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. So I think there's a strong argument to to be made that you should sell it now. i think the more interesting conversation, though, is what what does his card look like in five years, right?
00:27:25.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:28.71
Adz
What happens if they win?
00:27:30.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:30.93
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:31.58
Russell Gibson
Or if he loses issue, but then he wins two chips in the next five years.
00:27:32.75
Adz
What?
00:27:34.82
Russell Gibson
And I think that's a really interesting conversation.
00:27:37.59
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:37.63
Russell Gibson
and I think if you make that call, and that's why you're buying into him now at $1,000, I think that's actually very reasonable.
00:27:45.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:45.81
Russell Gibson
you know I think you might be able to wait for a dip and then jump back into the market. like I don't think you need to rush into this, but if you sort of sit me down and explain that to me, I'll be like, look, I can't fault that. like That's actually like a really fun prediction and you know I hope it works out for you.
00:27:59.41
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean?
00:28:00.21
Adz
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:28:00.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. All right, YoKick, again, let's just do this really quickly. Population on this is 185. His silver is currently trading at 3,700.
00:28:11.82
Russell Gibson
Clearly ah much, much stronger resume at this point in his life and also in terms of team success. Last six months, he's up 44%. The last 12 months, he's 15%. the last twelve months he's up fifteen percent The last two years,
00:28:21.42
Adz
Yep.
00:28:24.80
Russell Gibson
up twelve percent so it's actually
00:28:26.62
Adz
It's just a steady climb with Jokic.
00:28:26.87
Russell Gibson
when you Yeah, when you spread it out over that two years, that's actually, for me, a more interesting one. Because I think I was kicking myself not that long ago that you know I didn't jump on, which is it's still true. i'm I'm an idiot. But at the same time, um it's not that bad, is it, Russ?
00:28:43.92
Adz
That's actually not that bad at all.
00:28:45.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he was up to 6,000 at one point.
00:28:48.34
Adz
Yep.
00:28:49.55
Russell Gibson
All righty. Why don't we start the next series and then we'll sort of halfway through go for a break? Because i don't think we'll get through the whole Warriors series before we finish off here.
00:28:58.70
Adz
Yeah, that's that's fair. Let's, yep.
00:29:00.53
Russell Gibson
We'll do half. All right. Warriors, the Wolves are currently winning two games to one. The question I'm going to ask you is this. Currently, Steph Curry has an amtro hamstring problem.
00:29:11.47
Russell Gibson
I said hamstring problem. I meant to say hamstring. Do you think he will be A back for this series?
00:29:18.22
Adz
I think this could be, is good this this, unfortunately,
00:29:24.16
Adz
this was This was set to be an epic um one of those battles.
00:29:27.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:28.07
Adz
And i and i I think we're about to be disappointed
00:29:28.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:31.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:33.36
Adz
because of the absence of Steph Curry. Now, i don't know if it's an age thing or what, but I can't see his hamstring being right.
00:29:35.55
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.
00:29:45.46
Adz
But even if they get through this, it's like to leave the till the end of May, i can't i just i don't see Steph Curry being someone they can rely on.
00:29:53.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:54.89
Adz
with that injury.
00:29:57.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:57.29
Adz
ah yeah what And I watch a lot of AFL and and the the shortest turnaround for a hamstring two, three weeks.
00:30:05.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:06.70
Adz
you know what mean? Like ah hardwood, I don't, I just, I don't. and And that's heartbreaking because they, they, they died, like what they did against the Rockets was phenomenal.
00:30:13.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
00:30:18.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:19.14
Adz
Um,
00:30:19.38
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:30:21.06
Adz
and And I really had them as constructed before the Steph injury. I had them as a sneaky chance to take it all.
00:30:29.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I agree.
00:30:33.51
Adz
And I think we're, yeah, I think we're going to be, wait wait we're going to be denied an awesome series because of an injury.
00:30:40.56
Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.
00:30:41.52
Adz
Yep.
00:30:42.00
Russell Gibson
So I think it's an absolute nut punch for the guy because you, I heard an interview where he said, and he was really emotional.
00:30:44.66
Adz
Yep.
00:30:48.02
Russell Gibson
And I think he's not the type of guy to say something like that. So I think for him, he clearly had put in everything, you know, that he had into this series, you know, getting himself to this point.
00:30:56.75
Adz
He knew what was happening. Yeah.
00:30:58.34
Russell Gibson
I also kind of feel like the Warriors got their shit together because there's always this kind of thing with Draymond where it's like he's living on the edge or he's living like one step over it. Yes, he's been out of control a little bit this playoffs, but for the most part, he's been very good.
00:31:10.88
Russell Gibson
I think Jimmy Butler is actually a really good pickup for them.
00:31:11.07
Adz
Yeah.
00:31:14.04
Russell Gibson
They've sorted out Kaminga. Kaminga coming off the bench is excellent. I think they've still got a little bit of problem like with their five. like Who is their starting five? I think they actually haven't got that sorted out, but... that hasn't been ah death sentence for them either. And I feel like they've sort of been almost playing like, you know the center by committee almost add.
00:31:33.76
Adz
Yep, agreed.
00:31:34.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:31:35.63
Adz
Agreed.
00:31:35.90
Russell Gibson
Anyway, I think in terms of his legacy, this is probably not going to be anything too much. I think he's cemented himself in terms of him being an old timer, but,
00:31:43.91
Adz
Look, legacy-wise, there's no... Yeah, yeah,
00:31:47.00
Russell Gibson
I think it would have been cool if he put one more chip to his name, though. Like, being honest with you. And I think after this, like, what's going to happen? This team's going year older. Are they going to be a year better or a year worse? I probably think they're going year worse.
00:31:57.29
Adz
More consistency with Jimmy Butler, sure. But Steph's older.
00:32:01.52
Russell Gibson
he's a so He's a year older. Draymond's a year older. Steph's a year older.
00:32:04.04
Adz
Yeah, don't.
00:32:04.64
Russell Gibson
Like, it's...
00:32:04.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:06.47
Russell Gibson
Unless they add another player into the mix.
00:32:10.35
Adz
Definitely an option.
00:32:10.49
Russell Gibson
Now...
00:32:11.03
Adz
Definitely. Oh, look, they can retool in the offseason.
00:32:13.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And that's the thing.
00:32:13.49
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:14.47
Russell Gibson
I think that would have to add, you know, someone else significant because at this point, you know, they're running on fumes.
00:32:18.35
Adz
yeah Yeah, I like that.
00:32:19.63
Russell Gibson
I think that's like really apparent to me. Why don't we go to a break and then we'll talk about the wolves. how about that?
00:32:24.71
Adz
I like that.
00:32:25.08
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:32:25.27
Adz
Let's do that.
00:32:29.04
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Let's talk about the hobby hangout because we have had multiple announcements about this now.
00:32:31.98
Adz
It's coming up.
00:32:35.44
Russell Gibson
So I think we should definitely break this down a little bit more. The hobby hangout XL is in Melbourne.
00:32:42.92
Adz
It's in Melbourne, that's in our town.
00:32:43.22
Russell Gibson
it is That is our town. Sunday the 1st of June 10.30am. If you would like to get tickets please go to the hobbyhangout.com.au
00:32:55.82
Adz
Now, just to just to interrupt you there, this event is heading towards a sellout.
00:33:03.52
Russell Gibson
Interesting.
00:33:03.80
Adz
So, yeah, get your tickets. If you haven't done so already, yeah, jump online to to the hobbyhangout.com.au and get those tickets.
00:33:11.54
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:33:12.23
Adz
Lock them in because this is going be huge.
00:33:13.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, so far they've had announcements of Goldens. Ken Golden is not confirmed, but actual Goldens is coming down.
00:33:19.03
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:33:23.55
Russell Gibson
Andrew Bogut is doing a meet and greet slash signing where you can bring all of your memorabilia in and cards to get him to sign. So that's that's a really cool one for for Aussies.
00:33:31.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:33:35.12
Russell Gibson
They've also announced just this week about CGC grading and also BGS grading. The discount is either 20% or 25% off doing drop off on the day.
00:33:44.65
Adz
Nice.
00:33:46.19
Russell Gibson
So I think you know people that don't want to pay those high prices for PSA and they're happy to go with a different grader, this is your time.
00:33:54.07
Adz
Yep.
00:33:55.53
Russell Gibson
So guys, if you're ever waiting for a deal to come up, This is the day to bring your cards in, do a bulk drop off, collect that nice little discount and you know everyone's happy. So that's great.
00:34:08.44
Russell Gibson
They've also got a stalls update. The Social Club Collectors, Hobby Lock Cases, DG Collectibles, Pokey Collective, Warriors Down Under, Bearded Fat Guy TCG. That is a male middle-aged...
00:34:22.26
Russell Gibson
name for a card shop if I've ever heard one. Card Traders Australia, the Trader Bros. One thing I forgot to comment on last week was that Matthew Uga is so good looking. He just has a picture of his face where other people have like a logo.
00:34:35.64
Russell Gibson
It's just Matthew Uga and then like a picture of his face.
00:34:36.29
Adz
Or a shop. It's just did Matt's card shop is just Matt. Yeah.
00:34:40.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That's actually unreal, isn't it?
00:34:42.37
Adz
And next to that, what not's coming.
00:34:45.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. We probably should have mentioned that. And so last time we we met the lads from Whatnot, and they gave us their email address and then I lost it. So this year, my ah my resolution is to not lose their email address when I um have a chat to them.
00:34:54.03
Adz
We might need to engage with them a little bit.
00:35:00.79
Adz
It's good plan.
00:35:01.04
Russell Gibson
Anyway, guys, get your tickets. ah There'll be activations. There will be stalls, trader zones, ah card game competitions we will be there.
00:35:11.37
Adz
We will definitely be there.
00:35:12.27
Russell Gibson
in some capacity, but we will be there. And yeah, we hope to see you guys there.
00:35:27.06
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we're back and we're going to talk about the Minnesota Timberwolves. What do you want to talk about with the Wolves? What is pressing you in terms of the Wolves?
00:35:38.52
Russell Gibson
Why do you think they're so successful at the moment?
00:35:41.54
Adz
I think they've got a lot of balance. I think they've they've they've got... is There's that balance of role players off the bench, the the scoring... Well, the scoring off the bench, the defence.
00:35:52.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:52.51
Adz
um And they're they're led by Anthony Edwards, who's really taken a step up. That man... There is no ceiling to that man's confidence.
00:36:02.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:03.75
Adz
um And look, it could be a good thing, it could be a bad thing. The Wolves...
00:36:11.58
Adz
will follow that man into the trenches and their future success or failure may rest in his hands, but they they will not die wondering what what went wrong because they will give it their all.
00:36:20.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:36:25.77
Russell Gibson
He's the alpha dog of that team, 100%. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:28.03
Adz
Yeah, and but but he's also got the dogs with him.
00:36:28.38
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:36:31.22
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:36:31.52
Adz
Julius Randle, hungry.
00:36:33.28
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:36:33.59
Adz
Offensive rebounder, Gobert, an absolute monster on defense and on the boards.
00:36:38.35
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:36:38.82
Adz
Like they've got, they just seem to have... They've put the right pieces together.
00:36:43.99
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:36:44.72
Adz
and and And I think um the trade that they orchestrated,
00:36:51.08
Russell Gibson
You literally just took the words out of my mouth. Yeah. I want to hear your take on this because I've, I've absolutely got a take here. Yeah.
00:36:55.58
Adz
when this trade happened, this is what I foresaw.
00:36:57.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay.
00:37:00.02
Adz
They got Dave Vincenzo as that extra
00:37:03.65
Russell Gibson
Shooter.
00:37:04.40
Adz
That extra shooter, that, but that, that.
00:37:05.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:07.50
Adz
In the Lakers series, there were many, many expletives spoken because I think he's a dirty little X, Y, Z.
00:37:13.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.
00:37:14.37
Adz
But he's that dog that will get in your face and get in your head. And he's not one of the number one guys. He's just one of the support cast and he's perfect.
00:37:23.58
Russell Gibson
I don't think he's dirty though, Ed. I think he just competes and he he competes very hard. Yeah.
00:37:27.95
Adz
I know, but Luka did get a very hard whack and fall on his back. I was not impressed with that play. I still think it should have been a flagrant. I'm not going to go on a segue that where I get upset and disgruntled.
00:37:42.24
Adz
Anyway, Dave Vincenzo was a good inclusion and the reason I think Minnesota won that trade.
00:37:45.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:48.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay.
00:37:49.86
Adz
So Randall is a good piece to put on, like, for as a starter piece.
00:37:55.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:55.90
Adz
Like I like Randall for Cat in the – I think he fits better in this system than Cat did.
00:38:02.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:03.05
Adz
and And I think Dave Vincenzo is the bonus piece off the bench, and that and that's and that's sort of coming to coming to fruition now because Julius Randall seems to have fit in.
00:38:06.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, interesting.
00:38:10.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:12.90
Adz
It's taken the season to get there, but I feel like they've they've ticked a lot of boxes, and it might be a lack of experience in Edwards' leadership.
00:38:15.27
Russell Gibson
Mm.
00:38:23.98
Russell Gibson
Mm.
00:38:24.59
Adz
It could be other pet other factors, but but I think Minnesota have put themselves in the best possible position they have, they can, to succeed.
00:38:34.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think for me about this trade was I didn't know if it was going to work out. And whereas now I feel now, i think the Wolves have done really well. I think that Randall fits.
00:38:44.81
Adz
Yep.
00:38:44.89
Russell Gibson
And actually I quite like Kat in New York. And so, yeah ah genuinely like there are some trades where it is a win-win and and I really like this for that instance.
00:38:47.21
Adz
Win-win. Yep.
00:38:51.13
Adz
Yep.
00:38:52.74
Russell Gibson
And I think that the part of the game I don't like about Randall is how he can just hang on to the ball for like 16 seconds and literally pound the ball into the court.
00:39:00.60
Adz
Yeah, he's done that since he was in l LA.
00:39:02.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but
00:39:02.84
Adz
It's literally what he does, yeah.
00:39:04.23
Russell Gibson
I feel like he is not doing that as much in Minnesota and that sort of so small, well, actually it's quite a large adjustment when you say that if you've been doing that for the last 20 years, but he's really, I feel like he's really cut that down a lot to the point that now he just sort of blends in and he moves the ball a bit better and he's still, you know, he's still dribbling, but now he's like just doing things a little bit quicker.
00:39:12.49
Adz
He's a team guy, he is a team guy, yeah.
00:39:26.42
Russell Gibson
So I really liked that about his game now.
00:39:27.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:29.00
Russell Gibson
In fact, I would say i didn't like his game before, whereas this sort of version in Minnesota, I quite like it. Look, the DiVincenzo part, to be honest, I can sort of take or leave that with DiVincenzo.
00:39:35.08
Adz
Fair. Mm-hmm.
00:39:38.70
Russell Gibson
But I think in terms of today's game with three-point shooting, you need shooters out in the court. So that's fine for me. I think the part for me that I think is most intriguing about the Wolves is...
00:39:51.82
Russell Gibson
I think their offense is sustainable and I think it's in the regular season.
00:39:54.44
Adz
huh
00:39:56.23
Russell Gibson
You can't, okay, fine. You can score 110, 120. Can you do that in the playoffs? And that's one thing they've actually shown, you know, quite comprehensively, you know, when they're on that, you know, they're really good.
00:40:05.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:05.84
Russell Gibson
And I think,
00:40:06.38
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:07.96
Russell Gibson
like Being pragmatic about this, I kind of feel as though they've got a little bit of an advantage at the moment because I think for this rest of the Warriors series, it's going to be a tough series, but I don't think it's going to be as tough as the Denver OKC series.
00:40:23.45
Russell Gibson
So what I think is going to happen is Nuggets and Thunder are going to beat the crap out of each other and then the Wolves are going to be sitting at home for two or three days like resting up and getting a few little injuries like under control.
00:40:26.60
Adz
ah yeah. Yeah. ye
00:40:35.34
Russell Gibson
So...
00:40:37.43
Adz
That's a good point.
00:40:37.54
Russell Gibson
You know, yeah, like moving forward, like looking to the next series, like I'm really liking Minnesota's chances at the moment. And I kind of think they match up pretty well with OKC. And I think they match up really well with Denver.
00:40:51.40
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:52.39
Russell Gibson
ah
00:40:52.49
Adz
ah look As I said, I think they're the most balanced team at the moment as far as role playing and being able to move their pieces into different formations.
00:40:55.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:00.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:01.57
Adz
So,
00:41:01.81
Russell Gibson
So yeah, look, it's kind of exciting. So I think let's leave that there.
00:41:04.65
Adz
yeah.
00:41:05.21
Russell Gibson
Anything else you want to talk about on that series or we good.
00:41:08.57
Adz
Yeah, i think I think we're good. um I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Steph. Like, the the best of Steph, yeah.
00:41:15.65
Russell Gibson
High level Steph Curry. Yeah, I agree with you.
00:41:18.26
Adz
I hope he doesn't start wiltering away after this.
00:41:18.36
Russell Gibson
Um,
00:41:21.06
Russell Gibson
Really quickly, this is actually going back to the previous series, the Rockets and Warriors series.
00:41:25.86
Adz
Mmm.
00:41:26.28
Russell Gibson
This is from Kevin O'Connor. The Rockets are plus 53 with Steven Adams on the floor this series and minus 39 without him. So that's just like a completely useless random piece information, but I felt like it belongs on you can't comp this.
00:41:37.00
Adz
Well, but maybe mean with he's ah he's actually an unrestricted free agent in in the offseason, and I think he might land himself a bag.
00:41:44.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:47.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't know about a bag, but he'll be employed again next year. I think that's absolutely for sure.
00:41:51.15
Adz
ah give give it Given what he's done this year for Houston, even even I think he'll be on the Lakers' radar because I, for one, know that the Lakers need a centre.
00:42:02.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:02.51
Adz
um One of three people. I'd say Capella and Lopez are also on the Lakers' radar. But, yeah, I think Adams is ah is also, yeah, someone that runs in good pick-and-roll stuff.
00:42:09.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:14.45
Adz
So...
00:42:15.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's a big boy. ah This next one is from Instagram, at Boston Card Hunter. If you do not follow this guy, i would absolutely give him a follow, give him a couple of likes on his page.
00:42:27.45
Russell Gibson
I feel like if you had to summarize his content into one sentence, what he likes to do is like just call out the bullshit in the hobby. So he will take people's videos and he'll break them down and say, look, this is what I actually think is going on here.
00:42:39.52
Russell Gibson
It's not so much that he highlights people's scams, but he just sort of tries to explain to you, this is what this person's trying to do.
00:42:42.54
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:44.71
Russell Gibson
And maybe like mislead you, or maybe they're trying to say this. And so in this particular video that we're going to bring up now, um he's talking about the growth of the hobby. And so he stated that in nine quarters, we've had constant growth.
00:42:58.99
Adz
Yeah,
00:42:59.07
Russell Gibson
And when he he means quarters in terms of like quarters of the year. So this is like more like a a finance sort of term that you use, but he's like applying it to cards.
00:43:04.33
Adz
yeah.
00:43:07.13
Russell Gibson
PSA have sold 500,000 cards on their platform, which is absolutely huge.
00:43:11.82
Adz
Mm.
00:43:12.23
Russell Gibson
The sale, the cost dollar has gone up, but so has the number of cards.
00:43:16.60
Adz
yeah
00:43:18.39
Russell Gibson
And I think that's really interesting because I think that a lot of negativity um let me rephrase this. I think that the posts that garner attention in the hobby is often posts that focus on negativity.
00:43:35.40
Adz
The clickbait, I guess you'd call it.
00:43:35.50
Russell Gibson
And so, Correct. Right. And so when you when you read this sort of stuff, you like it almost it's like, is there a conspiracy happening here?
00:43:42.91
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:44.43
Russell Gibson
But it's like, it's no, it's not. It's just that the stuff that comes into your feed more regularly is often that really negative stuff that you know just seems to so get people's juices flowing.
00:43:50.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:53.47
Russell Gibson
And so um the Golden's platform has also had growth.
00:43:57.38
Adz
Yes.
00:43:57.38
Russell Gibson
And I think the thing that he didn't say specifically in here, but what I would like to remind all of our listeners Golden's bought eBay. And so not only has the golden platform had growth, you know, eBay is the biggest platform in the world when it comes to card sales. And so, you know, I think that's a really interesting piece to sort of, you know, keep in mind for everybody. And I think,
00:44:21.45
Russell Gibson
when I heard him talk about this, i I don't know how you feel about this. I'm going to turn this over to you in two seconds, but I felt a surprise, but I also felt very reassured because if you think about like product at the moment, it's probably not the greatest.
00:44:26.15
Adz
Joe.
00:44:37.74
Russell Gibson
If you go and look through like the rookie signing checklist of who is signing for Panini and who isn't, there's more knots than is. And so,
00:44:47.69
Adz
That's a good point.
00:44:48.83
Russell Gibson
That's a tough market for me. And so despite all of that, there's still these you know huge sales going on in terms of volume, but also you know true dollar value.
00:44:55.32
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:57.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:58.56
Russell Gibson
And so obviously not all the cards are just like rookie cards being sold, but like, I think a large proportion of those cards would be, but then it also takes me back to, to, you know, what is collectible. So then, you know, last week we were talking about different case hits is out there. You know, we did like this, maybe that was two weeks ago now where we did the Steph Curry one, but I think that is translatable to actually, you know, what is happening, you know, within the hobby. And so
00:45:24.34
Adz
Correct. Correct.
00:45:25.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like, where are you at with this?
00:45:25.95
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:26.76
Russell Gibson
Because I think this is worth talking about for, you know, a couple of seconds.
00:45:30.66
Adz
um I think it's easy to to create um negative press, to to to stir up fear in other people.
00:45:37.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:39.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:40.65
Adz
um
00:45:40.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:41.92
Adz
And those kind of emotions get people to act impulsively.
00:45:47.34
Adz
Right? it's It's annoying that...
00:45:51.19
Russell Gibson
By act impossibly, do you mean, like, reply to the the video? Yeah.
00:45:54.89
Adz
Yeah, like it ah ah it elicits these these reactions. People want to watch these videos. They panic. They're like, oh no, I have to sell my cards.
00:46:03.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:03.38
Adz
It's...
00:46:04.90
Russell Gibson
Oh, that's why there's 500,000 sales, because like Dan the Codman has been razzing everyone.
00:46:08.86
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:10.02
Russell Gibson
is that what you're saying?
00:46:10.76
Adz
but that but like But that's it. People trying to induce panic in a market like this. Oh no, the hobby's dying. I better get rid of my stuff.
00:46:18.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:19.64
Adz
Oh wait, it's not dying. I sold that easily. Oh...
00:46:23.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:24.32
Adz
Like we're going to card shows like it's easy to just listen to what's going on on ah social media. It's easy to take hearsay and go, oh, this is the state of things.
00:46:39.57
Russell Gibson
then actually collect objective facts and then make your own interpretation of that. Yeah.
00:46:44.21
Adz
Go to your local store. Go to a trade show. go Go online and interact with some of these people online in the it on the Facebook groups.
00:46:46.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:50.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:46:53.69
Adz
Go in.
00:46:53.82
Russell Gibson
Online's tricky though, man, because like, again, it's like scamming posts, like light up my feed.
00:46:58.20
Adz
Agree, yeah, yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair.
00:46:58.82
Russell Gibson
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:00.13
Adz
Yeah, but but go out there and have a look.
00:47:04.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:47:04.27
Adz
Don't listen to what other people are saying about the hobby.
00:47:07.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Don't listen to Jeff Wilson 24 hours a day. Yeah.
00:47:10.56
Adz
it don't Don't let the hype train or the fear mongering to get you to make a a um
00:47:23.15
Adz
but a reactive decision.
00:47:25.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:47:26.87
Adz
rather than an educated decision. I think the hobby's fine. Yep, as i as I said with the Tatum thing before, I think we're in a flat were we're on a plateau.
00:47:34.67
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:47:35.87
Adz
But there's also a lot of positive happening. in there There's people interacting. It's great what's happening.
00:47:40.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Oh, the hobby is killing it at the moment.
00:47:43.11
Adz
The hobby is strong at the moment.
00:47:43.34
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. Yeah.
00:47:45.89
Adz
Yeah, you can't go in, buy a $10 repack and strike it rich.
00:47:53.54
Adz
But when could you? realistically
00:47:57.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think there was probably a bit more value in sealed maybe back in like 16, 17, 17, 18.
00:48:01.95
Adz
Sure.
00:48:03.48
Russell Gibson
I think,
00:48:03.64
Adz
Yeah, but then you go through COVID and the and and the everybody loses their mind phase and god gone are the days when it was 20 bucks to get a cat card graded by PSA, comes back a PSA 10 and the $200 you've spent on buying a card and getting it graded becomes $1,000.
00:48:04.65
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:48:08.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that wasn't fantastic.
00:48:22.30
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:23.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:25.18
Adz
These days, it's a grind. I'd actually be be interested to know anybody in like in financial circles, like investment circles, that we talk about steady growth. And and I joked about um Tatum being up 4% over 12 months.
00:48:41.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:42.04
Adz
Like good solid investment would be 5% to 8% return. It'd be awesome over a year.
00:48:46.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:48.87
Adz
But we've got a lot of these people that are like, if I can't flip a card and make 25% on it, the hobby's dying. No, it's not. The hobby's fine.
00:49:00.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:03.88
Russell Gibson
Well, I think we should go to a break.
00:49:07.43
Adz
Yeah, so I can calm down and have a drink.
00:49:10.26
Russell Gibson
don't need to calm down. You should fire up for the last segment, to be honest.
00:49:12.30
Adz
or I might.
00:49:13.42
Russell Gibson
Just warm up, mate.
00:49:13.60
Adz
You never know.
00:49:16.21
Russell Gibson
ah Thank you very much. Fastbreaktradingcards.com. Go there for all of your hobby needs. Just a quick shout out to the lads. They have re-upped for another 10 episodes or 11 episodes of sponsorship.
00:49:28.72
Russell Gibson
So I'm excited.
00:49:28.79
Adz
It's great having them on board. Yeah. Yeah. Huge thanks.
00:49:32.62
Russell Gibson
Obviously, they're happy with the arrangement, how it's all going so far. So this is very exciting for us.
00:49:37.84
Adz
You know, we need to get, we need to get them on the show.
00:49:38.02
Russell Gibson
They recently...
00:49:40.32
Adz
That's what we need. We need these boys to.
00:49:41.55
Russell Gibson
We need more public pressure to get them on. The lads have said they will come on, but it's just a matter of getting our time together.
00:49:46.93
Adz
Yeah. Well, actions speak louder than words.
00:49:49.29
Russell Gibson
Oh, geez, Adam, calm down, mate.
00:49:51.31
Adz
ah Told you was fired up.
00:49:53.21
Russell Gibson
You are fired up. um Yeah, look, they've won university recently. They had a fantastic party and trade day. i love those late trade days at hobby shops. Honestly, I think they're just an absolute win.
00:50:02.63
Adz
Mm.
00:50:04.41
Russell Gibson
They've also been announced as a direct partner of CollectFest. So guys, that is just absolutely huge. It's going to put you on the map even more. like We're just very proud of you.
00:50:13.91
Adz
Mm.
00:50:14.43
Russell Gibson
Looking through the website, I'm going to talk about sealed product this week in terms of sales, I'm going to specifically talk about 2425 Prism Retail because we did that highlight of a show on of of a card recently with the manga cards.
00:50:31.39
Russell Gibson
ah
00:50:31.55
Adz
Mm.
00:50:31.92
Russell Gibson
They're actually retail exclusive. So retail box for $240, a blaster for $70. This is all AUD prices, by the way.
00:50:42.99
Russell Gibson
Prism Megabox. It's got the green ice Prisms in that. That's for $150.
00:50:48.50
Russell Gibson
Look, it's not like the old days where you could, you know, pick up a box for much cheaper. But at the same time, I think Prism have done a really good job of making the chase there on this product. Prism Fast Break for $6.50.
00:51:00.96
Russell Gibson
Prism Choice for $6.95. That's so funny. Like Choice used to be like $1,000. Yeah,
00:51:06.28
Adz
Yeah, it's nuts, isn't it?
00:51:08.18
Russell Gibson
yeah that's really come right down Choice has. Choice is where you find the nebulous though. So if you want to go that one of one hunting, that's where you need to go to.
00:51:16.24
Adz
Yep.
00:51:17.50
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much, lads. At fast break trading cards.
00:51:28.93
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, and we are back. This is the last quarter of this week's show, and this is all just bits and bobs, so we'll just sort of whip through this.
00:51:37.42
Adz
All right.
00:51:37.63
Russell Gibson
I'm going to start you off with an Instagram video where it's Steve Nash interviewing LeBron James.
00:51:43.79
Adz
God, I know this interview.
00:51:46.31
Russell Gibson
And the question he asks is, what supplements are you taking?
00:51:55.23
Russell Gibson
And the look on his face is, i would call it wide-eyed. And I have a ah four-year-old son, and whenever he doesn't tell me the truth, his eyes kind of go about as wide as LeBron's went. So I'm just going to leave it at that.
00:52:12.67
Russell Gibson
He also denied taking creatine.
00:52:15.71
Adz
Okay, which is, yeah.
00:52:17.27
Russell Gibson
He just said, his answer was he takes everyday, normal, natural things like so like vitamins. That was his answer. I on this mountain.
00:52:27.95
Russell Gibson
am absolutely convinced he's taking HGH, which they don't test for in the NBA.
00:52:30.68
Adz
Something to...
00:52:35.41
Adz
Okay, yeah.
00:52:37.28
Russell Gibson
I am convinced that the day he retires, they'll start testing for HGH.
00:52:41.98
Adz
Interesting.
00:52:43.65
Russell Gibson
It's interesting to me that he even denies taking just like regular supplements. Like why? Why? Like this is the man who said a while ago he spends a million dollars a year on his body on supplements.
00:52:52.85
Adz
Well, all right, so but but but is it on supplements or is it on treatments? Is it on maintenance?
00:52:58.53
Russell Gibson
Well, that's what he said.
00:52:59.24
Adz
Is it, ah, look, if you if you're if you spend a million dollars on your head on your on your body maintenance,
00:52:59.84
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:53:10.01
Adz
do you really think he's dipping into the steroid side of things or he's looking at other treatments? Do you know what mean? Like, has he got physio like a team of physios,
00:53:23.68
Adz
I don't know. um um'm i'm i'm gonna I'm going to be the glass half guy. Of course, I'm the i'm the Lakers homer, right? I'm going to die on that hill and I'm going to say, no, this man has too much integrity to do all those other things.
00:53:32.60
Russell Gibson
You are now. Yeah.
00:53:41.23
Adz
And I think he is his body is a temple.
00:53:45.51
Russell Gibson
Look, I don't think you can get to that point without your body being a temple. And believe me, I'm not saying that he does. Like, I'm not saying he just juices and eats Maccas. Like, clearly, that's not what I think.
00:53:57.43
Adz
No, no, no, no. i don't I don't think he's helping himself with extra things that aren't ah legal in the sport.
00:53:58.81
Russell Gibson
But...
00:54:03.25
Adz
Is my
00:54:03.46
Russell Gibson
That is the most unconvincing answer I've seen in a very long time.
00:54:07.25
Adz
is that as bad as LeBron answering the question on the on the interview?
00:54:13.85
Adz
i I don't. think he I think he's invested a lot of money into not into...
00:54:19.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, he has. Yeah.
00:54:21.55
Adz
not into performance enhancing substances, I think he does everything within the regulations of the sport.
00:54:29.29
Russell Gibson
All right, here we go. This is in the comments. He's talking too much. He's lying. Born eyes get big when he lie. He's effing lying. Soon as he said things of that nature, immediately knew it was BS.
00:54:40.63
Adz
On this podcast, he's drinking wine. It could just be, it just could be buzzed. he
00:54:46.48
Russell Gibson
Peptides, yes. Growth hormone, yes. Stem cell therapy, yes.
00:54:48.92
Adz
Oh God.
00:54:49.76
Russell Gibson
TRT, yes. Steroids, no.
00:54:54.37
Adz
God.
00:54:55.18
Russell Gibson
Things of that nature. Creatine is natural.
00:55:00.29
Adz
Oh, goodness. i Look, I've...
00:55:01.20
Russell Gibson
LeBron doesn't believe LeBron. The man's piss could melt steel.
00:55:08.14
Adz
God. Stacks on the 40-year-old? Jeez, leave him alone.
00:55:13.96
Russell Gibson
He deserves that, mate.
00:55:15.26
Adz
Steve Nash is in his 50s now.
00:55:15.31
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:55:18.35
Adz
Leave him alone.
00:55:19.44
Russell Gibson
I've had my fun. All right. This one's for you, buddy. This is from Card Ladder. 2019 Panini Crown Royale, Kobe Kaboom. This is an insane card. This is him celebrating after hitting a game winner.
00:55:29.73
Adz
I love this card.
00:55:32.71
Russell Gibson
Now, this is up crazy. So, if you are hoping to get onto the Kobe Kaboom train, it's possible that that train has left the station.
00:55:38.52
Adz
That ship has sailed.
00:55:40.90
Russell Gibson
Last sold for $19,000, nearly $20,000. That is up dramatically. The previous sell before that was $12,000, maybe $13,000.
00:55:49.92
Adz
Makes me sad.
00:55:50.00
Russell Gibson
So yeah, congratulations to the Kobe owners. We have another Kobe here. 1998 Ultra.
00:55:56.88
Adz
It is. And this is a 98, isn't That's a... 20... Yeah. Yep.
00:56:00.56
Russell Gibson
ninety ninety eight ultra him doing that very Kobe-esque reverse jam with his feet up near his bum, this has exponentially got up.
00:56:05.20
Adz
ah don
00:56:12.55
Russell Gibson
And this hasn't sold for a long time, though. This sold last in 2019, nearly 2020.
00:56:15.96
Adz
twenty
00:56:18.37
Adz
yeah yeah
00:56:19.53
Russell Gibson
So that went from 2000 all the way up to 11. the reason why I put this card in, because this is giving me like Jordan vibes right now of just like random cards are just like popping off.
00:56:29.94
Adz
we spoke about We spoke about this some a little while ago with will this start happening with Kobe?
00:56:35.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:38.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:39.07
Adz
Is it possible it could happen with Shaq or someone else?
00:56:41.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:42.36
Adz
But I think it's it's the big three. It's Kobe, LeBron, and and and Jordan.
00:56:46.13
Russell Gibson
I do wonder though, if to me, the more logical one to go off next is Kobe because yeah, well, what I was going to say was like, I wonder also part of this too is like the scarcity of it because
00:56:51.77
Adz
Yeah, in order. Yeah.
00:57:00.30
Russell Gibson
since he's passing, he hasn't been in any more card sets.
00:57:03.16
Adz
True.
00:57:04.08
Russell Gibson
I don't imagine that he's a state.
00:57:06.90
Adz
What's the rule with that? Sorry, but sorry to say no, but they're not allowed to print a player once they're passed.
00:57:10.33
Russell Gibson
So my my understanding is that it's the players who are currently under the CBA agreement with the NBA. So now that he's no longer in the league, they can't put his images in there without his like direct consent.
00:57:25.17
Russell Gibson
So for example, yeah so for example, like,
00:57:25.22
Adz
And given that he's passed away, he's, he can't give consent.
00:57:29.45
Russell Gibson
Tim Duncan. So he's had an agreement to come into the current sets.
00:57:32.45
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:57:33.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And then they like remunerate him individually.
00:57:37.17
Adz
Do they, God, um I mean, obviously we don't know about it, but they cant they they can't reach out to Vanessa Bryant and say, can we put him in a card set?
00:57:43.45
Russell Gibson
They, they can, but my feeling is that she's not interested in doing that type of stuff.
00:57:45.07
Adz
Okay.
00:57:48.17
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah, I think it's more like,
00:57:48.44
Adz
Yeah, she's like, I've got shoes, I'm good. Yep.
00:57:52.89
Russell Gibson
she wants to preserve more of the Jordan legacy where it's like, if you associate yourself with less things, actually your value increases more.
00:57:56.68
Adz
Shoes, yep.
00:58:00.80
Russell Gibson
And so i don't see, yeah, I don't see this being like a future endeavor.
00:58:01.98
Adz
Yeah, fair. Okay. Top.
00:58:08.04
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:58:08.90
Adz
You wait for tops to get the deal.
00:58:13.30
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Let's talk about the Bucks future. Cause I think this is a very interesting tweet. This is from,
00:58:19.04
Adz
That'll be a quick topic, won't it?
00:58:20.94
Russell Gibson
I don't know. I can i could do at least two minutes on this. At six rings of steel. But the L is not an L. It's a capital I. Whatever you think about the Bucks' future, it may be worse.
00:58:34.01
Russell Gibson
Dame is 34 and may not play until 2027. They don't own their first in this draft.
00:58:37.93
Adz
I think, uh...
00:58:40.66
Russell Gibson
Least favourable first-round swaps in 26, 28, and 30.
00:58:40.70
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:58:45.08
Russell Gibson
They do not own their 27 or their 29 pick. They don't own their first-round pick until 2031.
00:58:53.50
Russell Gibson
Brooks, Bobby Portis, GTJ, Prince, Kevin Porter Jr., Rollins are all free agents. So that is that's actually a really interesting one because I could imagine two of those guys being snuffed away.
00:59:08.49
Adz
Yep.
00:59:09.03
Russell Gibson
And actually, Kevin Porter Jr. is an interesting one because I think he redeemed himself this year.
00:59:13.34
Adz
ch Sure, sure.
00:59:15.05
Russell Gibson
Because if you think about him 12 months ago, he wasn't even in the league.
00:59:18.27
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:59:18.58
Russell Gibson
Whereas now he was playing on a playoff roster, right?
00:59:21.09
Adz
Yep.
00:59:21.87
Russell Gibson
Who wants Kyle Kuzma right now? That guy is untradeable. I would say he is as untradeable as Bradley Beal. His playoff performance was absolutely appalling.
00:59:29.51
Adz
Yep. Rubbish.
00:59:31.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Their young core in air quotations, Tyler Smith, Chris Livingston and Andre Jackson.
00:59:35.21
Adz
Is it wouldn't call it a call.
00:59:40.61
Russell Gibson
That is bad.
00:59:41.30
Adz
Yeah, there's an Apple apple cause that's probably stronger than that anyway.
00:59:44.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I have no idea what they do in this off season. Yeah. Look, I think that's actually ah very, that's a very insightful tweet.
00:59:48.28
Adz
Curl up in a ball and cry, I think, is the...
00:59:52.00
Russell Gibson
And I think that that actually says a lot about the future of the Bucs.
00:59:54.13
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:55.32
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, it,
00:59:56.92
Adz
Do you think there are some franchises, though, that are headed that way because they went all in?
01:00:02.79
Russell Gibson
Oh, 100%.
01:00:04.27
Adz
Because it's you're funny funny that it's the Bucs, right?
01:00:05.78
Russell Gibson
The Phoenix Suns did it this year and it bottomed out.
01:00:07.63
Adz
Well, the Phoenix Suns faced off when the Bucs won their championship, right? So these are teams that keep going all in, trying to get to the top.
01:00:13.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:14.58
Adz
And they've I'm sorry to say it, but they failed getting to the top of the mountain. And they've they've they've sacrificed their future forte for a shot at glory, and it didn't pay off.
01:00:19.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:25.47
Adz
Well, paid off for the Bucs for one season.
01:00:25.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And the other one that went all in too was the Knicks, but they've had more team success than the Suns and also the Bucks have had.
01:00:33.42
Adz
And then while they're in a series, they're in a live series still.
01:00:33.69
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
01:00:36.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. And so you can let that ride.
01:00:37.94
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:40.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:40.66
Adz
For now.
01:00:43.44
Adz
Do you want to keep, keep going on it and talk about Bradley Beal or?
01:00:43.76
Russell Gibson
This one.
01:00:46.61
Russell Gibson
I was go say, let's do Devin Booker.
01:00:46.83
Adz
ah
01:00:48.13
Russell Gibson
So the Suns will offer Booker a two-year, you ready for this?
01:00:48.69
Adz
Yeah, fair.
01:00:52.94
Russell Gibson
$149.8 million dollar extension this year. Look, I'm not a maths wizard, but if I round that up to $150, that is on average $75 million dollars a year for Devin Booker.
01:01:01.83
Adz
That's about 75 mil.
01:01:06.51
Russell Gibson
That does not win you a championship.
01:01:10.26
Adz
No, but the caps are going up differently, aren't they?
01:01:14.05
Russell Gibson
I just think if you pay him $75 million dollars a year, you are deemed to be the Bucks. You are going to be the Phoenix Suns.
01:01:21.95
Adz
You're going to be worse than the Bucks. You're going to be worse.
01:01:24.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:25.14
Adz
You're the Suns, but you're just in a worse spot.
01:01:27.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you're going to be an older version of the Washington Wizards two years ago. Which, by the way, actually, if you look at the Wizards roster now, that's actually kind of interesting.
01:01:34.85
Adz
yeah They're headed in a better direction than all these others.
01:01:36.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, getting rid of Bradley Beal and picking up draft equity was absolutely delicious.
01:01:40.82
Adz
For sure.
01:01:41.14
Russell Gibson
All right, let's do two more really quickly. We'll do Aja Wilson next, and then we'll do we'll finish the show on a Jordan Thrill Seekers because I think that's actually worth talking about. All righty.
01:01:50.90
Adz
Okay.
01:01:52.20
Russell Gibson
This is an example of an old basketball card. 2018 on-card autograph. But this is someone who's actually loves and respects the game and has taken the time to sign an amazing autograph on this.
01:02:05.56
Russell Gibson
It's got her name. It's got her number, and she's written Go Vegas on it. I love this a lot. She's been the MVP of the WNBA. This is an absolutely huge card. And I think that for me, this is the type of stuff where you could probably still pick this up, not that expensive, but if you had to bought this three or four years ago before all this
01:02:14.26
Adz
It's
01:02:25.35
Russell Gibson
Other stuff with Caitlin Clark have been going on. He probably could have got that for you know less than $50, I would be you know saying on that one.
01:02:31.47
Adz
nuts, isn't it?
01:02:32.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, beautiful card.
01:02:33.16
Adz
It's awesome.
01:02:35.23
Russell Gibson
Congratulations to the owner. And the end of today's show, Adam, is going to be with this one here. 1996 Fleer Michael Jordan Thrill Seekers. Population on this is just 18.
01:02:50.94
Russell Gibson
And I think this is actually a good time to contrast this to the Kobe that we just spoke about. So the Kobe was numbered to 99.
01:02:56.72
Adz
Mmm.
01:02:58.33
Russell Gibson
So it's a different card, but the population on that was actually five.
01:03:00.12
Adz
Yep.
01:03:04.04
Russell Gibson
So let's just say, let's say the pop on this stays relatively stable at 18 on the Jordan.
01:03:05.18
Adz
Wow.
01:03:11.57
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.
01:03:12.12
Russell Gibson
And the Kobe stays, even if the Kobe doubles to 10.
01:03:15.48
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:16.30
Russell Gibson
so The Kobe sold for 11,000. The Jordan just sold for 28. It's really interesting to me that we can actually say, oh yeah, the Kobe just sold for this month, but it's still got a lot more room to grow. Because even if it doubles, it's still cheaper than this Jordan.
01:03:28.91
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:32.32
Russell Gibson
You know, maybe the thing that's holding back that Kobe is that it's in BGS and it's a BGS 9. Like maybe it would be double the value, if not more than that, if it was a PSA 10.
01:03:41.63
Adz
Yeah, great.
01:03:43.54
Russell Gibson
Maybe that's the strategy of the purchaser too. They're going to crack it out, send it off to old mate for you say.
01:03:48.86
Adz
Yeah, great.
01:03:51.53
Adz
Great. That's a, it's crazy seeing those spikes.
01:03:57.19
Russell Gibson
but Where are you at with all these? Because we've, we've been doing this a little bit lately. We've been talking about these Jordan cards that just keep spiking. Where are you at with all this? Like what's your sort of high up umbrella view of,
01:04:06.90
Adz
i in my I'm just like, it but it is. The the the GOAT conversation is never going any anywhere other than, i mean, ah it doesn't matter if the GOAT view as people get older changes to LeBron.
01:04:22.17
Adz
Jordan is is Jordan.
01:04:26.61
Adz
Like he's got his place. He's he's on Mount Rushmore. No one's unchiseling that face from Mount Rushmore.
01:04:32.25
Russell Gibson
Do you think that the narrative will change to LeBron as the GOAT though?
01:04:35.86
Adz
Nope. Nope.
01:04:36.66
Russell Gibson
No, I don't think so either.
01:04:36.84
Adz
milk
01:04:37.94
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:04:38.50
Adz
I think they'll always... like I think LeBron's on the... i Look, I think there's... The only other face... And I think it's Jordan, Kobe, LeBron.
01:04:50.50
Adz
And I think they're making space for Steph.
01:04:53.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:54.30
Adz
That's kind it that's that's the the hill I'm dying on at the moment.
01:04:57.50
Russell Gibson
Okay.
01:04:57.78
Adz
For now... as far as the greatest the game's ever seen. and And yeah, there are players from from before that era that I'm not mentioning, but but I feel like Michael Jordan is the one that brought basketball into the mainstream.
01:05:17.10
Adz
Kobe helped sustain it and Steph revolutionized it. And LeBron has been one of the greatest through that time period. So how can you how can you discount those guys?
01:05:25.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:29.20
Adz
Like you've got Will, you've got Magic, you've got Bill Russell. Sure, and and they have their place in the hobby, but this is the face of basketball, Michael Jordan.
01:05:37.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. That's, it's another tier, isn't it? ah Up again.
01:05:39.59
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:40.55
Russell Gibson
Look, I think, you know, when I'm prepping for the show, I've really enjoyed putting these cards in because I think sometimes we, and I'm saying this is the Royal, we were so focused on modern and the ultra modern.
01:05:52.24
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:54.56
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:55.02
Russell Gibson
And because Jordan, you know, Jordan does have new cards coming out of, you know, whatever the upper deck is putting him into the precious metal stuff or whatever.
01:06:02.06
Adz
Sure.
01:06:02.81
Russell Gibson
But I think that stuff is so bad that, you know, real Jordan collectors actually go back and look at all this 90s, late 80s, you know, early 2000s stuff because the designs are cool.
01:06:11.80
Adz
e
01:06:16.88
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:21.76
Russell Gibson
The populations are still relatively low. And then I think, you know, you have to be honest about this too. I think there is that sort of investment profile there where it is going up and you are having these spikes.
01:06:30.75
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:33.67
Russell Gibson
And so there's that part of it for me. But the other part for me too is that I feel like this is a real sort of educational journey of just going back and learning about all these other different types of, you know, inserts that are out there.
01:06:43.87
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, we tried to do this a little bit of, you know, what cards, you know, should you be looking into purchasing, you know, before the spike comes through.
01:06:50.40
Adz
Mmm. Yep.
01:06:52.62
Russell Gibson
And maybe we should be doing that more often and saying, you know, what are some like fun cards that are out there that are just an absolute, you know, diamond in the rough at the moment. So, but look, yeah.
01:07:01.75
Adz
they Yeah.
01:07:04.01
Russell Gibson
Anyway, thank you so much, Adam, for a fantastic show. Thank you to all of our listeners out there. We hope you have a wonderful, wonderful day. Well, yeah, but of wonderful month then.
01:07:13.03
Adz
Wonderful week. Hope you enjoyed the show. Hope you enjoyed listening.
01:07:19.72
Russell Gibson
Wonderful year.
01:07:19.77
Adz
um Yeah. Hope you're all just wonderful.
01:07:27.52
Russell Gibson
and we'll We'll catch you next week.
01:07:28.63
Adz
Yeah, we'll see you next time. joe