Episode 212: The NBA Script Drops Again: Jordan’s Back, NBA Draft Rigged & Tatum Falls

In this week's episode of You Can't Comp This, we dive headfirst into one of the most dramatic weeks in both the NBA and the hobby.

🚨 Michael Jordan returns to NBC? The GOAT is stepping back into the spotlight — but not on the court. We unpack what this broadcasting bombshell means.

🏀 Was the NBA Draft rigged? The Dallas Mavericks leap to the #1 pick under highly unlikely odds, prompting flashbacks to past coincidences and conspiracies. We break down the numbers and the narrative.

🃏 Card talk:

• Tatum’s Game 5 injury and the shock 1/1 sale
• The Celtics win without him — how does that affect his card market?
• Jalen Brunson’s 1/1 heats up the hobby
• Card Ladder insights and what’s trending

📈 NBA Playoffs:

• Pacers’ incredible run — and Andrew Nembhard’s historic 3-point percentage
• Nuggets vs OKC Game 7
• Jokic’s dominance and stat line greatness

🎙️ Side stories:

• Jordan Patch Auto from Chronology resurfaces
• Lebron’s Downtown insert collection
• Players showing clear awareness of gambling lines
• Could the offseason bring unexpected trades?

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Transcript

00:00:12.86
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 212 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:26.67
Adz
I guess we get to just start it off by saying hopefully we've got a new listener because he's not going to have much else to do for the next 12 months. Jason Tatum is cooked.

00:00:35.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, hello Jason Tatum, hello our friends in America, hello Adam, hello our friends in Canada, Germany, Philippines, New Zealand, and of course our home and host Aussies, thank you everyone for tuning in.

00:00:40.69
Adz
Good evening.

00:00:50.20
Russell Gibson
And we should probably say hello to peeps at Central Coast Radio, hello to Angelica and Adrian.

00:00:57.69
Adz
yeah Hello. tell her And hello to listeners on Central Coast Radio. People watching us live on YouTube.

00:01:02.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hello. Hello.

00:01:06.71
Adz
Awesome.

00:01:07.59
Russell Gibson
Who else do we need say hello to?

00:01:07.73
Adz
Let's get... Well, i look, look out Adam Silver.

00:01:10.33
Russell Gibson
Adam Silver?

00:01:12.21
Adz
where Maybe if we do say hello to Adam adam Silver, he could drop some um some draft picks our way, some number one picks.

00:01:18.95
Russell Gibson
I'm just worried he would start controlling things behind the scene though. Try manipulate the outcomes of events.

00:01:24.74
Adz
It's true. It's true. in our favor, of course.

00:01:26.74
Russell Gibson
Change our run sheet.

00:01:28.19
Adz
Yeah, that's it. You might. Never know.

00:01:31.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All righty. This week, we're going to talk about the Jason Tatum injury. We're going to talk about Adam Silver fixing the NBA draft. We're going to talk about the Pacers series, which I think they absolutely deserve some flowers.

00:01:43.10
Russell Gibson
We're going to talk some Michael Jordan today, and this is actually not us just frothing on some old school cards. This is actually new up-to-date news on Michael Jordan. Nuggets OKC. Now, depending when you listen to this, we're recording this Sunday night.

00:01:57.01
Russell Gibson
The Nuggets OKC series is ending tomorrow morning at 5.30 a.m. Australian time. So

00:02:04.08
Adz
However you like its ending.

00:02:06.81
Russell Gibson
i am primed. i am primed to this.

00:02:07.72
Adz
It will be but yeah. Okay.

00:02:09.69
Russell Gibson
I'm not a morning person. I'm pretty sure most people out there know that of me by now. And I'm genuinely thinking about getting up early to watch this game. That's how excited I am for it. I think without much further ado, we we get into the Tatum injury. Unfortunately, he has torn his Achilles.

00:02:26.05
Russell Gibson
It was a non-contact play, which is very characteristic of that type of injury.

00:02:26.58
Adz
yeah

00:02:30.81
Russell Gibson
i actually thought maybe it was a ah bone break because he sort of looked to me, he was grabbing the front of his leg, not the back. And he also did look to you like he was in a lot of pain. He did.

00:02:42.96
Adz
Oh, yeah. It was like pain in one foot and the other foot, just pushing him around in circles. he was not He was not feeling pleasant at all.

00:02:52.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, okay.

00:02:52.18
Adz
Like he was actually like spinning on the – like just – he was – oh, it was –

00:02:55.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I suppose. I ah was more thinking about his like initial reaction. It didn't look like he was... Anyway, look. It's really, really unfortunate news for him. I'm actually... Sad is probably not the right word, but I just think this NBA playoffs has really been influenced by injuries, and I think that the Celtics were absolutely you know the favorite, or at least the second favorite, at at the very worst, you know depending on

00:03:11.69
Adz
yeah

00:03:20.32
Adz
for that's Before this series started, the Celtics would have been heavily favoured.

00:03:24.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Depending on where you look at it, you'd probably say either OKC or the Celtics. And now it just seems to me that we've got three teams that could genuinely win the whole thing.

00:03:34.67
Russell Gibson
And maybe from one perspective, you say, oh, actually, that's more interesting because it's more fun when there's you know more teams available to win it. But at the same time, you know.

00:03:42.63
Adz
Yeah. Well, there's five in in the running still.

00:03:47.22
Russell Gibson
OK.

00:03:48.16
Adz
Well, denver Denver could win at 5.30 in the morning tomorrow.

00:03:51.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I definitely think that Do you know the funny thing? I actually think the person who's benefit or the team that's benefited the most from this is Denver.

00:04:00.10
Adz
Interesting. Interesting, interesting.

00:04:01.10
Russell Gibson
They don't, I just feel like they don't now need to do anything special. They just need to sneak past OKC.

00:04:06.22
Adz
and They need to do something pretty special to beat OKC at home.

00:04:10.19
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:04:10.34
Adz
But, but yeah.

00:04:10.93
Russell Gibson
They just need to sneak past them.

00:04:11.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:12.87
Russell Gibson
You would then assume they can handle the Wolves.

00:04:17.71
Adz
i'm I'm on a different wavelength here. I actually think the Wolves are the best poised team to take it all.

00:04:24.14
Russell Gibson
Sure. And that's a fun storyline too, isn't it?

00:04:24.59
Adz
So, mmm.

00:04:25.90
Russell Gibson
Which is also, you know, they've benefited from it. And then I think the Nuggets could then handle, I'm going to assume the Knicks are going to come out, but imagine if the Pacers just out and outrun the Knicks.

00:04:28.43
Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
Paces.

00:04:35.16
Russell Gibson
So for me, there's so many now more interesting scenarios that's going to play out. Yeah.

00:04:39.32
Adz
There's a lot of narratives at play. I'm on the part i'm on for a Pacers-Wolves final, but I'm also on i'm also can you can you Can you imagine this?

00:04:41.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:47.95
Russell Gibson
I think that's an upset finals, to be honest.

00:04:51.61
Adz
Knicks versus Timberwolves. That's the ultimate who won the trade. Steven

00:04:58.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay.

00:05:01.22
Russell Gibson
i

00:05:01.33
Adz
Chansoe and Randall versus Cat. Who won the trade?

00:05:05.67
Russell Gibson
i feel like we talk about Adam Silver controlling a narrative. He would want the Knicks in there for obviously the massive market.

00:05:13.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:14.87
Russell Gibson
I don't think he really wants the wolves in there.

00:05:16.79
Adz
Why not? It'd be the ultimate underdog. They beat the Lakers. They've they've they've sort of, they've done their work. They've got rid of the Warriors.

00:05:23.87
Russell Gibson
Can you,

00:05:24.99
Adz
They're, they're, come on.

00:05:26.57
Russell Gibson
Imagine the bravado of Anthony Edwards if he wins a championship this year.

00:05:31.51
Adz
It would be awesome.

00:05:35.17
Russell Gibson
I just cannot imagine the things that will come out of this guy's mouth after that happening.

00:05:35.58
Adz
It would be awesome.

00:05:38.58
Adz
But think about the Minnesota Timberwolves have had a week off, right, to recuperate, to recover.

00:05:44.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:05:44.22
Adz
And Denver and Oklahoma City have been beating the absolute snot out of one another.

00:05:49.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:05:50.08
Adz
Whoever comes out of that series is going to be exhausted versus a very fresh Timberwolves, and they're very well balanced. So I don't know. Anything could happen. Same in the East.

00:05:58.51
Russell Gibson
He

00:05:59.16
Adz
Like this is a Thibodeau-led Knicks team that has six players on it, and he's run all down.

00:06:05.29
Russell Gibson
was playing their starters when they're up 20 points. Why was he doing that?

00:06:08.90
Adz
They're exactly right because he plays everyone to death and they're not quite there yet.

00:06:12.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:12.93
Adz
But this Indiana team, on the other hand, will run them off their feet and that could be the narrative.

00:06:18.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:19.51
Adz
It could go any way. It's crazy.

00:06:21.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:21.92
Adz
like it. It's different to Celtics versus Lakers.

00:06:23.09
Russell Gibson
It's fun. It's definitely interesting to me. All right. So let's...

00:06:28.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Let's do predictions from here, though. Who do you think is going to make it to the finals and who do you think will win it?

00:06:35.61
Adz
i

00:06:35.64
Russell Gibson
Just for a bit of giggles.

00:06:36.39
Adz
I actually think Indiana will try and run New York off their feet and I think they might catch them.

00:06:40.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:41.71
Adz
So I'm going to have um'm goingnna go with the Indiana versus Minnesota um finals matchup.

00:06:42.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah, okay.

00:06:45.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:48.53
Russell Gibson
Okay. I think Knicks are the better team. So i'm going to go with the Knicks from that series. And then just going to stick with the Nuggets just for the fact that for me, they're the most known current quantity that's left in the playoffs.

00:07:03.62
Adz
Most recent champion.

00:07:03.96
Russell Gibson
And I would also say, now that you've said everything you've just said, this could look like a terrible prediction in two weeks time. So, but I'll live with that. I'm totally fine with it. um This is from ESPN PR.

00:07:15.76
Russell Gibson
NBA playoffs on the platforms are up 15% from last year.

00:07:20.64
Adz
Mm hmm.

00:07:21.31
Russell Gibson
Now, Knicks Celtics on May the 12th had 6.1 million viewers and peak audience was 8.5 million viewers, which is up 50% from last year.

00:07:30.41
Adz
That's not.

00:07:33.22
Russell Gibson
Most watched program of the day across television and in all key demographics. So I think why that's important is because in the last 12 months or let's call it the last two years, there's been a lot of chit chat around how the viewership for the NBA has been down.

00:07:47.85
Adz
hmm.

00:07:48.18
Russell Gibson
And I think where, in my opinion, where they've struggled a lot with this is like, now they're on so many different platforms. Like you can watch them on YouTube. You can watch them on NBA.com. You can watch them on all the different cable channels that they've got. And I think also to people consume content in pieces.

00:08:03.91
Russell Gibson
So for example, on Instagram, where people are now just posting up you know short clips and

00:08:08.42
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:08:08.76
Russell Gibson
And not that we're ah you know a media entity in any form, but very occasionally I'll take a video of my of my screen and post that up of like you know a guy doing a dunk.

00:08:17.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:20.22
Adz
yeah, yeah.

00:08:20.42
Russell Gibson
Those videos get, I would say, more, if not to the top of our views in terms of clicks.

00:08:26.37
Adz
engagement.

00:08:26.48
Russell Gibson
So people love those really short videos.

00:08:26.85
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:30.84
Adz
consumable consumable highlights.

00:08:30.86
Russell Gibson
Highlights of of basketball. Yeah. Yeah.

00:08:33.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:33.81
Russell Gibson
So I think that's really interesting to me. the Also, what I think is a little bit interesting, and we're going to talk about this a little bit later, they've just signed a huge new television deal. NBC is coming to the table.

00:08:44.87
Russell Gibson
I'm really excited. I'm going to hold that for later on though. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:08:48.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:49.04
Russell Gibson
I think that we should also talk about cards, which is at at the end of the day, eight minutes into the show. This is what we're here to talk about. Let's talk Jason Tatum. Silver his Prism, PSA 10.

00:09:03.37
Russell Gibson
All time, he's down 40%, which is a very interesting one.

00:09:07.38
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:09:08.38
Russell Gibson
In the last month, he's down 45%. So he peaked a month ago. he peakqued ah month ago up to $1,200. In that meantime, every sale has been down and he's had three sales in the last couple of weeks and they're all on a very steep downhill, 772, 700 and 656.

00:09:21.33
Adz
Mm.

00:09:29.65
Russell Gibson
We've been using Jason Tatum the last 12 months essentially as a ah measuring stick for the hobby in terms of someone who's generally quite reliable

00:09:32.85
Adz
Oh.

00:09:38.74
Russell Gibson
He's got an excellent, excellent resume. ah And now we need to turn that into he's an injured star that's going to be out for effectively all of these playoffs and all of the next regular season. Because if we call this a 12-month injury, he's not going to be back until the start of the playoffs, you know, at the best case scenario.

00:09:58.16
Adz
best ah get Best case scenario, worst case scenario, like he's not touching the court all next season and you're probably not going to risk him in the playoffs. um So probably do another preseason.

00:10:09.70
Adz
um

00:10:10.41
Russell Gibson
I don't know.

00:10:10.50
Adz
mike My question is with the card value side of it what are your thoughts on ah leading up to the injury, there were already concerns about him choking in the playoffs?

00:10:11.44
Russell Gibson
I don't know, honestly. Yeah.

00:10:25.07
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like he'd already two games in a row, first two games of the of the game series against the Knicks, they gave up a 20-point lead.

00:10:31.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:33.01
Adz
So they're already question marks over Tatum and then he does his Achilles. Does this put his cards the toilet? cards in the in the toilet

00:10:41.86
Russell Gibson
So all that stuff about him not being clutch and all this stuff, I really don't buy into that. like I think that the reason why the NBA is an 82-game season and then series have seven games as it is so that the best team eventually wins.

00:10:56.80
Adz
ah

00:10:57.01
Russell Gibson
And basketball is a little bit of a hit-and-miss type sport. And so...

00:11:01.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:02.52
Russell Gibson
I really hate that sort of like ultra short overreactions that we sometimes get to like one game of a series or, or even two games to a series. You know what i mean? So um I'll give him a bit of ah a pass on that.

00:11:16.37
Russell Gibson
I, so I've actually earmarked this in the run sheet. So this is a probably a good time for us to, to thread this in.

00:11:22.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:23.68
Russell Gibson
I was really keen to see how they would play without Jason Tatum. And i'm like,

00:11:27.00
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:11:28.82
Russell Gibson
All you idiots who were like, oh, the MVP of the finals last year wasn't Jason Tatum. It's actually Jalen Brown. Okay, great. Jalen Brown, now you're the number one. Like, take this team to a championship.

00:11:39.81
Russell Gibson
They won one game and they lost one game. I think it's incredibly unfair of me to say, oh, because Jason Tatum didn't lead into the championship, he's a failure. but No, that's not what I'm saying. Like, you know, and I would never say that, but at the same time,

00:11:53.20
Russell Gibson
You know, he then, he had the opportunity.

00:11:53.46
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:55.19
Russell Gibson
Okay, so this is a game five box score. Nine of 17, three from five from three, five of eight free throws, eight rebounds, 12 assists. That's actually a damn good stat line, isn't it? oh

00:12:06.05
Adz
It's crazy, isn't it?

00:12:06.64
Russell Gibson
Two turnovers, two personal fouls, 26 points, plus 28 in the um overall plus minus.

00:12:12.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:13.26
Russell Gibson
um Look, if any team was actually going to win a championship with without their number one, actually, I'd say the Celtics, they are so deep.

00:12:19.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:20.13
Russell Gibson
I actually think the person who let them down was Paul Zingas because to me, he's got a lot of talent.

00:12:23.63
Adz
ah Yeah.

00:12:25.15
Russell Gibson
He's got a lot of talent, that guy. And it's like, you know, if someone was going to step up and put 25 points up on the board, it should have been him. He finished the game with one point minus 12 and the plus minus.

00:12:32.29
Adz
Agreed.

00:12:35.24
Russell Gibson
So I think actually to me, that says a lot um how this game played out.

00:12:38.94
Adz
Mmm. Pretty, yeah.

00:12:41.35
Russell Gibson
Look, I watched about half of that game and I turned it off.

00:12:41.54
Adz
Pretty ordinary.

00:12:44.63
Russell Gibson
It was, there was nothing in it for me that was like, you know,

00:12:48.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:12:50.92
Russell Gibson
It was a blowout. The Celtics won by 20 points.

00:12:54.45
Adz
Not like game six, which was the opposite.

00:12:55.12
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So let's talk, let's, can we just go back to Jason Tatum for a second?

00:12:59.53
Adz
Jason Tatum.

00:13:00.77
Russell Gibson
So i think the question is, is where is he going to dip down to?

00:13:00.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:05.40
Adz
Mmm.

00:13:05.94
Russell Gibson
and I think the perfect comp for this is actually to Wemby. So let's look at Wemby for the last three months, because this is an injured star that is basically, you know, that was a season ending injury.

00:13:19.06
Russell Gibson
um I think there's a lot more speculation on Wemby. So if I was expecting a big drop from somebody, to me it was Wemby. The last three months he's down just 15%. So um I will take that every day of the week and then some.

00:13:34.54
Russell Gibson
So if we say that Tatum drops 15%, let's just take it back a little bit so it's not so... So he was trading at like 7.72. Let's go back before the big sort of rise. Okay, so he was trading around 650.

00:13:50.01
Russell Gibson
So why don't we say minus 15%. Does that sound reasonable?

00:13:59.67
Adz
That sounds reasonable.

00:14:00.63
Russell Gibson
So that takes us down to 552 USD. I think he's he's going to drop down to around that 550 mark.

00:14:04.07
Adz
Okay.

00:14:06.74
Russell Gibson
I don't think he's going to go anything.

00:14:08.60
Adz
Lower than that. Yeah, you know that's where it'll plateau.

00:14:09.74
Russell Gibson
No. ye

00:14:11.56
Adz
Like, I'm not saying it's going to tank. ah There's no way... Like, i don't there's no way I see Tatum tanking out, and there's no way I see Wembenyana tanking out.

00:14:23.18
Adz
But until they return to the court,

00:14:23.74
Russell Gibson
The one that I thought was going to tank, though, was Wemby, though, Ad, because I think Wemby attracts all those guys who come into the hobby and they just want to flip the current hot thing.

00:14:30.22
Adz
flip fli flip, flip, flip, yeah.

00:14:31.62
Russell Gibson
know mean? Whereas to me, Tatum is a bit more like you're a bit more of a connoisseur of the NBA.

00:14:35.37
Adz
Tried and tested.

00:14:36.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:36.98
Adz
Yep, yep.

00:14:37.62
Russell Gibson
And also, yes. And also he's tried and tested and obviously he's won the championship.

00:14:41.67
Adz
Yep. He hasn't won finals MVP.

00:14:42.35
Russell Gibson
And the finals MVP.

00:14:44.54
Adz
He hasn't won a finals MVP yet.

00:14:44.56
Russell Gibson
Didn't he? i mean, he won it. He just wasn't awarded it. Like, let's let's keep that. So.

00:14:53.27
Adz
ah

00:14:53.42
Russell Gibson
um All right. The other thing we should probably talk about if we're talking about Knicks and Celtics is this Jalen Brunson card, the one of one Nebula that's recently sold for $97,000. There's been a lot of buzz around this card because people have dug up an old sale post of this.

00:15:09.59
Adz
That's funny.

00:15:09.79
Russell Gibson
When someone will blow it sold it for $300 delivered.

00:15:10.63
Adz
Branded Box.

00:15:15.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, this is the ultimate, you know, what if in basketball card collecting, isn't it? Where you can buy something for $300 and then sell it at a later time for nearly 100K. Look, honestly, rest in peace to the person who bought that.

00:15:27.88
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to read out his name, even though it' was posted on there.

00:15:29.33
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:32.37
Russell Gibson
Um, my question to you is when do you sell one of ones and when do you keep them? Cause I think actually that's the real hobby related question right now.

00:15:41.90
Adz
Whoa.

00:15:42.58
Russell Gibson
What motivates you to sell a one of one? Particularly that, like, why would you sell that nebula one of one for $300?

00:15:52.02
Adz
I actually don't know what would motivate me to sell that, like at that stage. It's not like you're selling it for a couple of thousand. right. could be so Could be personal circumstance. He might've been strapped for cash and $300.

00:16:01.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

00:16:05.89
Adz
Surely there's a better option to sell than a one of one. Yeah. I don't know. It must've been personal circumstance and that was the only asset he thought he could move.

00:16:17.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, look, obviously we're looking backwards in time with the foresight of what's happening now.

00:16:19.91
Adz
Retro, retrospective. Yeah.

00:16:22.08
Russell Gibson
and I think, to be fair to the seller, at that time he was on the bench behind Luka and there was not a clear pathway to him having playing time.

00:16:27.55
Adz
Yeah. ke

00:16:31.25
Russell Gibson
so

00:16:32.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:33.40
Russell Gibson
I do kind of get that. I think I'm just genuinely asking you, like taking this out of a side, like when do you keep one of ones and when do you move them on?

00:16:38.85
Adz
when Yeah. When do you move them?

00:16:40.99
Russell Gibson
Because, you know, I've got a couple of, yeah.

00:16:42.07
Adz
I think it's also different because this is a rookie card, right? How often do you get a rookie one of one?

00:16:48.64
Russell Gibson
Well, Prism in particular, I think in other sets, it's a little bit easier. Like for example, Select is a little bit easier.

00:16:55.24
Adz
Sure, sure. But still, like,

00:16:56.76
Russell Gibson
Recon, all those sort of lower end products. It's a little bit easier to get one of ones, but,

00:17:00.73
Adz
coming across a rookie card one of one of a decent player is not something you experience every day.

00:17:03.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:06.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:07.63
Adz
So...

00:17:07.68
Russell Gibson
don't know. Look, I think the answer for me is you, you probably hold it on until it spikes, even if you then hold onto some cards for too long.

00:17:12.33
Adz
yeah

00:17:15.33
Russell Gibson
And I think I'm definitely guilty of doing that a lot.

00:17:18.71
Adz
Holding for too long.

00:17:19.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:17:20.56
Adz
Yep. Yeah,

00:17:21.91
Russell Gibson
But at the same time too, I think that's probably what's in the back of my mind of like, I don't want to see happen is you know, something go exponentially up. And so

00:17:30.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:31.39
Russell Gibson
You know, I think probably for me, it's like, when am I happy to sell one of ones? think when they're retired.

00:17:37.67
Adz
Yep. Yep. I mean, and and that's the thing though, after their first three or four years, but bit but you think about it, it's that it's that after five years, what's the likelihood a player is going to lot like blow up and and break out?

00:17:42.81
Russell Gibson
And it can be too late then. So, yeah.

00:17:53.50
Russell Gibson
You mean like Jalen Brunson?

00:17:55.05
Adz
five years

00:17:56.28
Russell Gibson
I think it was about five years he was on the bench for, yeah.

00:17:58.25
Adz
Like five, I'd say after five years, you're probably safe.

00:17:58.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:02.42
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:18:03.76
Adz
Relatively. um Most players are expected to to to take a leap but on year three.

00:18:10.21
Russell Gibson
So he played four years in Dallas and then it was his fifth year that he was then traded and then, yeah.

00:18:10.27
Adz
And that's where

00:18:13.82
Adz
broke out. Okay. So after year five, then maybe you start thinking.

00:18:16.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Why don't we call it six just to be safe?

00:18:20.96
Adz
But it is. It's one of those things. But Ant's done in year three. ah Cade was injured for a year and now all of a sudden is Cade. He's a one a number one pick, of course. But I'm saying everyone everyone wrote Cade off after year two.

00:18:36.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't...

00:18:36.62
Adz
Two or three. do you know what I mean?

00:18:38.35
Russell Gibson
I think that's a bit more clear-cut, though. I feel like people still know in the back of their minds he was the number one one overall pick.

00:18:44.78
Adz
So is Markel Fultz, let's be fair.

00:18:44.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Oh, boy. Poor Marco.

00:18:47.74
Adz
And Anthony Bennett? Yeah.

00:18:51.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty, let's go to a break.

00:18:53.65
Adz
God.

00:18:57.86
Russell Gibson
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00:19:01.12
Adz
Let's do them first.

00:19:01.15
Russell Gibson
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00:19:15.80
Russell Gibson
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Russell Gibson
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00:19:40.18
Russell Gibson
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00:19:58.58
Adz
roll.

00:20:02.50
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much to the guys at Fast Break Trading Cards.

00:20:23.43
Adz
tre

00:20:27.37
Russell Gibson
It was.

00:20:29.87
Russell Gibson
Where is my cursor? 2040. Alrighty. Adam, we are back. How are you feeling? twenty forty all alrighty

00:20:39.42
Russell Gibson
adam we are back

00:20:40.99
Adz
We are.

00:20:41.05
Russell Gibson
how are you feeling

00:20:42.42
Adz
umm I'm feeling good, refreshed.

00:20:44.83
Russell Gibson
All right, this next one, I'm actually pretty keen to talk to you about because we can talk about it in terms of a a news story. And we can also talk to to this in terms of ah previous coincidences that have happened and also the conspiracy theory um component of it too, which if you guys are listening at home, you all know how I enjoy a fantastic conspiracy theory when it comes to anything related to basketball and the Egyptian pyramids. So,

00:21:13.44
Russell Gibson
This is my second favorite thing to talk about in terms of conspiracy theories is the NBA. The Dallas Mavericks, with just a 1.8% chance at the top pick, won the and NBA draft lottery Monday night, earning the chance to select projected number one pick, Cooper Flagg, next month.

00:21:30.22
Russell Gibson
There was some scuttlebutt that he was going to not come back

00:21:33.47
Adz
Heh heh.

00:21:33.98
Russell Gibson
Da-da-da-da-da. It's been confirmed now that he's coming out and that the Mavericks have said that they are going to choose him. So I think there was also some funny memes going around that, you know, Nico would trade him or Nico would pass him up to to draft somebody else.

00:21:49.47
Russell Gibson
All of that can be put to rest. um The Mavericks have actually publicly stated that he will be ah Maverick. So that's that's kind of crazy to me. It's very exciting. um Where are you at with the Mavericks having a 1.8% chance to win and getting the number one pick?

00:22:06.57
Adz
I'm going to be the logical one here and say there was a ball in the bucket.

00:22:14.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:14.29
Adz
The fact that the ball dropped, so be it.

00:22:15.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:22:18.27
Adz
That's why there's a lottery, right? like

00:22:20.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:21.02
Adz
X amount of balls go in and there's an equal chance of one ball being pulled out. Some teams have more balls than others.

00:22:26.34
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:22:27.81
Adz
But the end of the day, it's ah it's a lottery. That's what happens.

00:22:31.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:33.28
Adz
um Coincidence? Maybe. Conspiracy also maybe.

00:22:38.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah,

00:22:38.72
Adz
um But yeah, it's that's what happens.

00:22:43.22
Russell Gibson
yeah I think... So the conspiracy part of it, let's just feed into that for a second. So this is from and NBA at ESPN. LeBron signs with the Heat.

00:22:54.41
Russell Gibson
In 2011, the following year, the Cavs win the lottery with a 2.8% chance of winning, and they choose Kyrie. In 2011, Chris Paul was traded from the Pelicans to the Clippers.

00:23:05.54
Russell Gibson
In 2012, the Pelicans win the lottery, get Anthony Davis with a 13.7% chance. In 2019, Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers and the Pelicans win the lottery with a 6% chance. In 2025, Luka was traded to the Lakers. The Mavericks win the lottery with a 1.8% chance. So I think where the probabilities reduce down is when you go 2.8. Yeah, 13%.

00:23:32.49
Adz
1.8, 2.8.

00:23:34.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. thirteen percent

00:23:35.21
Adz
13% chance is fair.

00:23:36.11
Russell Gibson
yeah And there there are some extreme coincidences there. I feel like you can't

00:23:42.25
Adz
Sure, the the Pelicans the pelicans go they get rid of get rid of yeah yeah get rid of Anthony Davis, move on from Davis, and bang, they get Zion.

00:23:43.18
Russell Gibson
You can't not have this conversation without mentioning that. Yeah.

00:23:50.89
Adz
I see the narratives. i Like, I do.

00:23:53.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:53.63
Adz
I do. But...

00:23:54.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's an interesting one because that does imply that if you trade ah massive player into a big market, then you would then be compensated with draft equity.

00:24:05.71
Adz
have you have you heard Have you heard the Shaquille O'Neal story?

00:24:05.79
Russell Gibson
So whether it,

00:24:10.00
Russell Gibson
I've heard stories, but I'm happy to hear your story in this context.

00:24:12.82
Adz
So I was watching an Instagram reel and Shaquille O'Neal was like, I'm not going to tell you things are rigged.

00:24:13.54
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Yeah.

00:24:18.87
Adz
I'm going to tell you 1991, when I nominated for the draft, it was David Stern, wasn't it? At that point, that was head of the league.

00:24:26.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Stern was still in power at that time.

00:24:27.71
Adz
Stern was in power and it goes, so Shaq, you're coming to the draft?

00:24:28.48
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. yep

00:24:31.94
Adz
Yep. you want to go to ah do Do you want to play somewhere cold or somewhere hot? And I want play somewhere hot. And that year, Minnesota didn't get the number one pick.

00:24:43.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:45.11
Adz
Orlando. No, it wasn't Charlotte. It was Orlando. Orlando, Florida ended up with the number one pick in the draft after Shaquille O'Neal said he would prefer to play somewhere warm.

00:24:57.04
Adz
So, and that's what that was the Shaq story, right?

00:24:57.85
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah.

00:24:59.64
Adz
Like, but maybe.

00:25:05.65
Russell Gibson
So I think, so that's the conspiracy theory part of it. Now let's talk the more, um logical part of it. And one thing that I have done the last couple of years is they've flattened out the odds.

00:25:19.33
Russell Gibson
So even if you are the worst team, you only actually have like 14% chance to win or 14.8 or whatever it is.

00:25:20.38
Adz
That is true.

00:25:27.68
Russell Gibson
But another way of looking at that is, well, actually you have 85% chance of not getting the over on overall number one pick.

00:25:27.74
Adz
Sure.

00:25:36.16
Adz
Also.

00:25:36.17
Russell Gibson
And so when you think of it in that sort of capacity, that to me makes more sense that there is a chance for a team to jump up, I suppose. And so it's actually so funny for me because ah part of me is outraged that this Nico Harrison guy is an absolute clown, trades away a generational talent and then gets another one back. Like that actually really annoys me.

00:26:00.11
Russell Gibson
But on the other hand, what also really annoys me too is when teams are bad on purpose and And then they also get rewarded for it. And so if I had to choose between the lesser of two evils, I probably prefer that he goes to the Mavericks.

00:26:06.73
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:26:12.73
Russell Gibson
Then he goes, for example, to the Washington Wizards, who in the last 10 years have only demonstrated, um repeat and complete ineptitude and just absolute atrociousness when it comes to everything related to the and NBA. Like, you know, if there was a relegation system in the NBA, I genuinely wish that the Wizards just were relegated, honestly. Like, they have just been so terrible the last few years.

00:26:39.90
Russell Gibson
And so do you really want Cooper Flag going to them and being rewarded for being so bad? So i feel like this is my own sort of hypocrisy here.

00:26:48.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:49.71
Russell Gibson
It's like, how can I complain about Dallas getting the number one overall pick when I also don't want these bad teams to get it? So for example, Utah, I don't think that they deserve to get the number one overall pick. They were losing games on purpose last year.

00:27:01.51
Russell Gibson
Like that's that's bad for the product.

00:27:02.93
Adz
Mm.

00:27:03.52
Russell Gibson
I don't like that. And so maybe actually these guys flattening out the lottery odds really is going to change the way that, you know, teams looking at it because I haven't got these numbers in front of me, but the worst team getting the number one overall pick the last few years. Like, I don't think it's happened for six or seven years now, Ad.

00:27:22.14
Russell Gibson
Or maybe it's once in the last seven years.

00:27:22.35
Adz
Yeah, no, no, it's been a like, it's crazy.

00:27:24.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:24.71
Adz
It's nuts.

00:27:25.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:25.99
Adz
um

00:27:29.19
Adz
I'm trying to actually look up how many balls go into the machine.

00:27:32.93
Russell Gibson
So you can actually watch it. So the whole thing was broadcast on NBA.com.

00:27:37.35
Adz
Mm.

00:27:37.86
Russell Gibson
And I don't know, am I ashamed to admit this? I'm going to admit it. So my TV watching for that day, I didn't watch a basketball game that day. i actually watched them take the ping pong balls out. Because I'm genuinely interested in all that sort of behind the scenes mechanics and minutiae because it's like...

00:27:53.61
Adz
Sure, like it's it's it's it's pretty crazy.

00:27:53.75
Russell Gibson
um

00:27:56.48
Russell Gibson
I'm sort of looking for ways how they can um like manipulate the system too. um And it looks a pretty secure thing. I think there's times when the um envelopes are only with particular people.

00:28:08.07
Russell Gibson
So maybe they can manipulate the top three draft picks at that time. But other than that, I think the system um is pretty robust. We put up a post on Sports Cards Nonsense, our Instagram and our Facebook.

00:28:21.22
Russell Gibson
We got a whole range of responses. So maybe we could just read out a couple of the funny ones.

00:28:26.77
Adz
let's ah let Let's do it. we where Where do we want to go first?

00:28:30.71
Russell Gibson
So I think if we go to the Sports Cards Nonsense one, James Hoffman, the loty the lottery is rigged every year. Too many coincidences. And that's what I was talking about. It's like, how many coincidences do you need to then say, actually, this is an occurrence?

00:28:41.28
Adz
How... yeah

00:28:42.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Picks down behind closed doors. Well, that's kind of... Not true, but that's okay. um We aren't that stupid. Things like this is why the narrative of the NBA being fixed stays relevant. Yeah. And so to take in that point is we've got referees being accused of knowing what the lines are. So Draymond Green literally called them out on...

00:29:03.12
Russell Gibson
national TV about that the day he got fined 50k for that um in the past we got Tim Donahue um known for fixing games that was the referee that did that so there is some like fix allegations when it does come to the m NBA and then yeah Patrick Ewing they allegedly there was a frozen envelope because they used to pull it out by hand out of the out of the basket yep

00:29:12.81
Adz
yeah

00:29:23.04
Adz
yeah could be worse could have been a coin flip right

00:29:28.00
Russell Gibson
So that's the other interesting thing. So the Mavericks and the Chicago Bulls had a coin flip earlier in the day. The Bulls lost and the Mavericks won to get them into that spot that won them the lottery draft.

00:29:40.72
Adz
crazy is it is isn't it's um yeah no it's ah i don't know i just yeah

00:29:40.95
Russell Gibson
that's a That's a sliding doors moment for the Bulls. Yep.

00:29:51.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so Joe Rothke here, it's really not as crazy as it sounds. They flattened the odds so much that the worst teams with the best chances still only have a 14% shot at the top spot. Dallas at 1.8% is not some sort of astronomical long shot compared to teams with the best odds.

00:30:07.60
Russell Gibson
Atlanta had the 10th best odds last year and they jumped up to number one pick. Yeah, so that's that's right.

00:30:13.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:14.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:14.62
Adz
Well, what's ah Devin so so say? There's no such thing as a coincidence. 1.8% lottery chance here. I call shenanigans, especially after they revamped the odds after 1993 when Magic hit a 1.66 chance Shaq. So it's 66 balls, is it?

00:30:29.23
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:30:32.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:32.83
Adz
but is so it's sixty six balls is it one

00:30:36.28
Russell Gibson
They did it differently back then.

00:30:37.29
Adz
yeah yeah

00:30:38.18
Russell Gibson
These days they they do it. It's a four number combination that comes out and then the number combination then goes to the team.

00:30:42.95
Adz
Ah.

00:30:46.86
Russell Gibson
So and changes the odds yeah again.

00:30:46.98
Adz
Corresponds.

00:30:50.25
Adz
So easier to rig it.

00:30:52.72
Russell Gibson
I think it's harder to rig it now. Yeah.

00:30:55.67
Adz
Looks flashy.

00:30:55.84
Russell Gibson
cause So the person who does the timer is facing away from the balls and he puts his finger up when the ball comes out and that's based on a ah stopwatch, basically.

00:31:00.58
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:31:05.34
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:31:06.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:06.89
Russell Gibson
ah

00:31:07.16
Adz
Okay.

00:31:08.01
Russell Gibson
Norberto Tomasini. No, it's called odds. The Cavs getting the three number one picks was a bigger coincidence. i think But that' that's the same conspiracy, though, isn't it

00:31:19.83
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:20.01
Russell Gibson
but it's just It's the same conspiracy that the NBA can actually influence the outcome.

00:31:20.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:24.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:25.53
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

00:31:26.12
Russell Gibson
All right. let's um Let's go to our Instagram and read out our own listeners because I think that's that's pretty good. Watto211, 100% with a laughing emoji. card paints a thousand words. That is a fantastic Instagram handle.

00:31:41.56
Russell Gibson
Unlikely does not mean impossible and it does not need a probability theorist to get that. Toyn... Toss a coin a hundred times and you might have the same side nine consecutive tosses.

00:31:52.78
Russell Gibson
Would be interesting though to see a full list of teams who got their number one pick and their respective chances to have a closer look. Yeah.

00:32:00.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:00.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:03.27
Adz
Yeah. 45 cards. It does scream rigged. 1.8% chance. I personally think the live ball draw should be made publicly available like it used to be.

00:32:12.09
Russell Gibson
Well, Well, it is. you You can actually watch the whole thing these days. So, yeah. ah Prime 110, 100% boys.

00:32:21.07
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:21.54
Russell Gibson
And then going to our Facebook. Oh, we got a few on here. This is nice. Thanks, everyone. um If we sort this by all comments, we've got Sean Collins. Same thing happened when the Pelicans traded AD. Yep.

00:32:33.24
Russell Gibson
Anthony Milne, nothing is coincidence. And we actually referenced that earlier on the podcast.

00:32:40.44
Adz
All comments, hang on a second.

00:32:42.80
Russell Gibson
ah Ryan Miller, 1.8% isn't exactly miracle stuff.

00:32:44.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:46.07
Russell Gibson
Like most conspiracy theories, they fall apart when you consider how many people would need to be involved this.

00:32:52.84
Adz
Yeah, exactly. If it was rigged, where are those New York numbers? It's picking you. fair, fair. Yeah, look, I agree with a lot of this stuff. This is just the the lottery changes working as expected.

00:33:06.64
Adz
um shaman Shame for the Chaz so blatantly tanking. Disrespect the fans of the lottery. The lottery gods will go against you. Now we've got Ryan Jewell. Actually feel sorry for ah for the kid.

00:33:22.03
Adz
Going in undue criticism comparison due to the front office. If it were true Nico style, he won't even drag flag. It'll pick somebody else. Well, we know that's not true.

00:33:36.62
Russell Gibson
Anyway, thank you everyone for contributing to that. That was very, very fun. And I think any final thoughts on this ad before we go to a break?

00:33:46.44
Adz
ah Yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting to see if Cooper Flagg is worth the price Nico paid by selling his soul to get that ball come up that that bowlder fall.

00:33:58.76
Russell Gibson
You think he did like a devil's advocate sort of soul selling, do you?

00:34:01.08
Adz
That's it. like it's Like on that supernatural, sold he sold his soul to to get the number one pick.

00:34:01.59
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:34:10.08
Russell Gibson
Actually, i tell you what, I'm going to finish this off here with a um hypothetical trade.

00:34:17.32
Adz
ah Sure.

00:34:18.86
Russell Gibson
So this involves the Philadelphia 76ers. They've got the third pick. So this fits into...

00:34:23.52
Adz
Oh, they're not going to do the false thing again.

00:34:25.76
Russell Gibson
So this is how they and why they basically tanked out the rest of because they didn't want to give their pick up. So lucky that they didn't.

00:34:32.91
Adz
ah that's like, is that another conspiracy coincidence?

00:34:35.70
Russell Gibson
That's not a conspiracy. They tanked. There's no a conspiracy.

00:34:38.05
Adz
To get the number three.

00:34:39.66
Russell Gibson
Yep. Philadelphia receives Kevin Durant. Phoenix receives Paul George and the number three pick. Who says no?

00:34:47.52
Adz
Ooh.

00:34:48.26
Russell Gibson
Tell me that is not delicious.

00:34:53.50
Adz
Phoenix says no. They want more.

00:34:58.65
Russell Gibson
I don't know. I think considering what Mavericks got back for Luca...

00:35:01.99
Adz
KD, yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true.

00:35:04.87
Russell Gibson
They get a decent player and also a very good pick.

00:35:08.11
Adz
Pick, yeah, okay. An injured decent player that plays in a position that they need, which is fair.

00:35:13.14
Russell Gibson
ah Yeah, I think the problem for them is going to be the salary of Paul George.

00:35:15.53
Adz
um

00:35:18.24
Russell Gibson
That's going to be the the dead weight. So maybe you're right.

00:35:20.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:20.67
Russell Gibson
Maybe another pick needs to go across too.

00:35:22.35
Adz
Another couple of pics or something, yeah.

00:35:22.55
Russell Gibson
Maybe two picks.

00:35:24.14
Adz
Give them a couple of pics back.

00:35:25.91
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:35:26.39
Adz
I like it.

00:35:28.74
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's do our next ad break, Adam. And I think we should do the Hobby Hangout.

00:35:34.04
Adz
Yes, the Hobby Hangout is rapidly approaching.

00:35:34.67
Russell Gibson
And I think it is absolutely approaching Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025, 9 Nicholson Street, Carlton at the Royal Exhibition Building.

00:35:45.98
Russell Gibson
It is not called the Hobby Hangout this year. It is called

00:35:50.18
Adz
A hobby hangout Excel.

00:35:51.79
Russell Gibson
XL. Exactly.

00:35:52.42
Adz
Extra large.

00:35:53.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And Adam, I think we can now make our little announcements.

00:35:58.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:59.19
Russell Gibson
It is now confirmed.

00:35:59.31
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:01.78
Russell Gibson
We've kind of known about this last couple of weeks, but we were asked to hold it under wraps for a minute or so.

00:36:08.71
Adz
Yes.

00:36:09.92
Russell Gibson
we will be doing the panelling of the She's Hobby Hangout.

00:36:13.37
Adz
going to up on stage chatting with people. Yeah.

00:36:16.86
Russell Gibson
which very, very excited about. And we would like to thank Andrew for the opportunity. We we can't wait for this. We're absolutely pumped for it. And just looking through their social media announcements, they've made more announcements.

00:36:28.65
Russell Gibson
So Dane Swan is going to be there, Zach Merritt, and also Brent Harvey.

00:36:30.94
Adz
Yes.

00:36:33.89
Russell Gibson
So that is a huge, huge pool for the Hobby Hangout. Autographs and also photo opportunities for the guys there. So if you're a footy fan...

00:36:43.07
Adz
They're organizing that. that's Yeah, that's cool.

00:36:46.09
Russell Gibson
That is absolutely huge for you. Other announcements um and also vendors that are going to be there on the day. Plenty of games are going to be there on the day.

00:36:55.41
Adz
you're running running

00:36:55.55
Russell Gibson
Player one.

00:36:56.45
Adz
they're running They're running magic drafts, aren't they? They're doing magic the gathering drafts or something like that. So there's going to be all kinds of stuff there, yeah.

00:37:02.57
Russell Gibson
Yep. Interactions and innovations. Pikachu picks palms off on the cards.

00:37:06.96
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:37:11.14
Russell Gibson
Much, much, much more. Get your tickets. Go to thehobbyhangout.com.au to get your tickets. According to Andrew, he anticipating it's going to be completely sold out. He said the tickets are selling very, very strongly at the moment. So he's very excited about how everything's panning out at the moment. So

00:37:33.16
Adz
I'm excited.

00:37:34.27
Russell Gibson
Not long to go, guys. Yeah, pick up your tickets. Come and see us on stage. We'd love to come down and say hi to you all. That'd be fantastic.

00:37:40.99
Adz
be great.

00:37:50.74
Russell Gibson
Welcome back, everybody. It is time for our next segment, which is going to be basically just NBA.com playoff brackets. I think we picked the next series to chew over at.

00:38:06.22
Russell Gibson
We can talk about paces and calves.

00:38:07.77
Adz
kind Oh, give us the paces. Give us the paces.

00:38:12.32
Russell Gibson
All right. I think there's two things to talk about when it comes to the Pacers. Halliburton is obviously someone we have to talk about. I think that we you know we can't go past this.

00:38:24.64
Russell Gibson
And the other one too is ah Aaron Naismith. So if you could do me a massive favor, could you just break down Halliburton for a second and I'll pull up this next story about Aaron Naismith.

00:38:28.89
Adz
Mm.

00:38:36.64
Adz
All right, where are we, Pacers? it

00:38:41.25
Adz
Tyrese Halliburton. Well, look, I think there were um i think there were questions on on good old Tyrese at the beginning of the site season.

00:38:53.89
Russell Gibson
unfairly to be honest at the start of the season i think when he was deemed the most overrated player in the league

00:38:55.26
Adz
We came out of the we start of the season, midway through the season.

00:39:04.24
Adz
that was That was there. That was definitely.

00:39:06.50
Russell Gibson
I think that's when people maybe overlooked him in a pretty massive way that would be my takeaway from that honestly yeah

00:39:14.03
Adz
Okay. Okay. my my My view on on Hallie at the moment is that he was phenomenal last season and I forgot, I think after the Olympics and sort of he didn't feature heavily in the Olympics, came back and he it was kind of,

00:39:31.45
Adz
Just to going on about his business this year would be the way I would describe it.

00:39:34.32
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:39:36.44
Adz
um Went about his business for the season and then come playoffs, he has just exploded. And it is you've got that, you're right. The over most overrated player tag.

00:39:50.07
Adz
um

00:39:51.13
Russell Gibson
Which I think is a bit unfair, to be honest.

00:39:51.28
Adz
Maybe I think he's quite fairly rated. um In fact, we might be underrating that man's talent. I mean, a year ago we were comparing him to John Stockton.

00:40:05.44
Adz
So, don't know. I feel like people forget very quickly um the impact a player can have. And and i'm I, for one, am very glad that he's sort of stood up come playoff time with this very, we're going to stick with the overrated, underrated, very underrated Indiana lineup.

00:40:25.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:27.97
Russell Gibson
All right. So I think from my perspective, he didn't deserve to get that most overrated player. I think that's the best way to say it. like just I think I'm just going to move on from that.

00:40:36.47
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:38.84
Russell Gibson
And I think for me, what's really interesting is how quickly the narrative can change on somebody and not always for the right reasons. And I think maybe in card collecting,

00:40:46.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:48.60
Russell Gibson
that's actually the best time to be looking at their price and looking at their values and saying, actually, what's going on here?

00:40:52.91
Adz
Mm.

00:40:53.94
Russell Gibson
Because sometimes people change prices for the wrong reasons. So they might not be injured. They might not be even out of form and their prices are going down. And I think you know Darren Fox was someone that was like subject to that a while ago.

00:41:08.75
Russell Gibson
Cade Cunningham, um was injured and went down. And then when he came back and played well, his prices didn't recover until he was in the all-star conversation.

00:41:16.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:19.67
Russell Gibson
And so there was this really long window on Cade where, you know, you could have picked him up, you know, really cheaply.

00:41:19.89
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:41:26.19
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, there's that part of it.

00:41:26.87
Adz
For sure.

00:41:28.29
Russell Gibson
Jaron Fox at one point, silver PSA 10s were like a hundred bucks. There was a point in time where he was sub a hundred and that's post Gary V, you know, spruiking him up.

00:41:31.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:36.42
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, people who took advantage of the down, know,

00:41:37.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:41.79
Russell Gibson
period in Halliburton, you know, you've probably done really well. i think let's look at the last two years for Halliburton because for me, this is the most relevant part.

00:41:45.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:51.25
Russell Gibson
And then we will zoom in to the last month.

00:41:52.00
Adz
That's a roller coaster.

00:41:53.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so at the very start, he was in that sort of $300 range. He went all the way up to $500.

00:41:58.73
Adz
Yep.

00:42:01.04
Russell Gibson
And my recollection was we spoke about him at 500 and we're pretty okay with it. All the way down to 300, a single price up at 345. Let's just ignore that for a minute.

00:42:12.16
Russell Gibson
And then basically just slowly dribble down. There is nothing in my mind here that um explains this in any sort of shape or form down to $180. Let's just call it 180.

00:42:24.47
Russell Gibson
That's the easiest way to do it. Zooming into six months, he then has 56% growth. Zooming into three months, he is exponentially up. So he's up 75%.

00:42:34.98
Russell Gibson
So he's trading $200 March,

00:42:36.52
Adz
Mm.

00:42:39.40
Adz
Yep.

00:42:39.46
Russell Gibson
yeah he's up to four hundred look Yeah, look, this is really tough for me because where I'm sort of at with Halliburton is I think he's a very volatile asset at this point.

00:42:50.74
Russell Gibson
I think there's nothing that you can tell me looking at his numbers that's going to convince me otherwise.

00:42:50.94
Adz
Yep.

00:42:54.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:55.65
Russell Gibson
And so i think buying him at the moment is probably not the best idea.

00:43:01.12
Adz
yeah

00:43:01.69
Russell Gibson
And I'll probably wait this out. So what's the flip side to that argument, though? He goes to the finals and they win the championship. what What's he going to sell for then? thousand?

00:43:11.49
Adz
Is it? Oh, don't know about the thousand. Maybe that Tatum all-star, that Tatum all-star level 700. Yeah. 7, 750.

00:43:20.24
Russell Gibson
700. Okay. Yeah.

00:43:22.01
Adz
The base, the the benchmark. um

00:43:25.20
Russell Gibson
But ah the reason why I say a thousand is because SGA is currently trading at a thousand and 77.

00:43:29.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true, true.

00:43:33.11
Russell Gibson
He was up to not that long ago.

00:43:33.16
Adz
Yep.

00:43:36.17
Adz
So when when the Denver Nuggets end up winning that series, is he going to be the most overrated player in the league and the MVP at the same time? Imagine that.

00:43:45.43
Russell Gibson
but no idea

00:43:46.79
Adz
Most overrated MVP. There we go.

00:43:49.44
Russell Gibson
Look, this is probably a good time for us to segue into SGA, and that's probably fully legit. So what this is actually an interesting stat. This is one player that is now selling at or above their COVID peak. So in COVID, SGA peaked at 1,475.

00:44:05.90
Russell Gibson
He recently was up to 1,292.

00:44:06.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:10.97
Russell Gibson
That is incredible. How many players can you say ah actually selling at the same price as what they did during COVID? That is incredibly unusual.

00:44:21.11
Adz
That is not.

00:44:22.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:24.81
Adz
Yeah.

00:44:27.17
Russell Gibson
That is very unusual. um All right. um For all the people that say they hate PSA and all the rest of it, here is a flip that actually could work out for you. You can buy a raw SGA for $250.

00:44:42.16
Russell Gibson
The prices are a little bit up and down between $200 and $250 at the moment. Send that off to PSA.

00:44:50.03
Adz
Get a 10.

00:44:50.34
Russell Gibson
PSA 10 currently trading at $1,000.

00:44:51.89
Adz
Just get a 10.

00:44:53.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. How do you explain to people why they should use PSA in 10 seconds? I feel like we just did it.

00:45:01.54
Adz
PSA is the most, the only real recognized brand for getting maximum value.

00:45:09.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. We just segued from Halliburton.

00:45:11.06
Adz
PSA 10 though.

00:45:13.10
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's go back to the Pacers series. In true, you can't comp this fashion.

00:45:16.93
Adz
All right, we're back with Tyrese Halliburton. Mm-hmm.

00:45:18.84
Russell Gibson
Actually, i was going to say, let's do Andrew Nembrand. So we're talking about why are the Pacers so successful. Their pace is absolutely amazing. Their defensive versatility amazing.

00:45:32.20
Russell Gibson
They've done a really good job of understanding the current rules of the NBA and how to work within those confines. And they've also got shooters. Andrew Nambrand is currently shooting at 51.1% from the three-point line.

00:45:45.53
Russell Gibson
And that puts him at number one all-time of all shooters. This is wild.

00:45:51.67
Adz
So he turns literally turns in turns into Steph Curry when he gets into playoff mode.

00:45:56.85
Russell Gibson
Well, or Seth Curry. And Seth Curry's at number five at 46.8.

00:46:00.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:00.89
Russell Gibson
Myers Leonard at four. Myers Leonard is the guy who was ranting anti-Semitic stuff on Fortnite or Call of Duty or whatever it was.

00:46:02.97
Adz
bit crazy.

00:46:09.51
Adz
Goodness gracious.

00:46:10.46
Russell Gibson
He's out of the league now. And your boy, Rui Hachimura, actually turns into Steph Curry at 48.5.

00:46:11.65
Adz
Look.

00:46:14.05
Adz
Rui.

00:46:18.13
Russell Gibson
I don't own a Bob Hansen in my collection.

00:46:18.35
Adz
like it.

00:46:20.13
Russell Gibson
i couldn't even tell you who that gentleman is, to be honest.

00:46:23.16
Adz
I know he shot 50% from three.

00:46:26.33
Russell Gibson
We've spoken about Nembrand on the show before, so I think now's a good time to check in some of his values. This is from 130point.com.

00:46:34.34
Adz
I'm guessing he's not on.

00:46:37.81
Russell Gibson
He's not on card letter, mate.

00:46:38.01
Adz
He's not on, he's not card that I'm.

00:46:38.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah Red Prism Signature, obviously that's a sticker PSA 9, that sold for $22. A Prism Draft Picks numbered to $75.

00:46:52.78
Russell Gibson
So that's a college, collegiate uniform, that sold for $22.

00:46:55.74
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:46:57.80
Russell Gibson
So that pickup of the Prism Red for $22 is...

00:47:03.21
Adz
Not a bad, uh, not a bad, not a bad.

00:47:04.63
Russell Gibson
that's That's way better than a Collegiate at $22, yep.

00:47:08.64
Adz
Fair.

00:47:08.99
Russell Gibson
Nembrand Optic Autograph Fast Break Variant for $25.

00:47:13.40
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:14.33
Russell Gibson
Mosaic Blue Autograph for $24.

00:47:17.72
Adz
Okay.

00:47:18.38
Russell Gibson
And this is probably my favorite so far, the Contenders Autograph, 46 out of 99. That is the horizontal card. PSA 9, $79.99. So... seventy nine dollars and ninety nine cents so

00:47:30.71
Adz
Hmm. Okay.

00:47:33.07
Russell Gibson
Look, a very middling um prospect there. i think the prices are pretty reasonable at the moment. I think at the end of the day, it comes down to market. Honestly, this is something that... Yeah, just people aren't watching this guy's game. I think it's really as simple as that.

00:47:49.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:50.15
Russell Gibson
Are you a Pacers connoisseur, honestly?

00:47:52.31
Adz
Not really. um i have seen them play a little bit.

00:47:53.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:54.83
Adz
I do. I enjoy watching them play though. I don't know. At the beginning of the season, I thought they they' um they'd added by not subtracting, basically, or adding to their list. I thought they were, they they they came out in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. They went out to the Celtics, very admirable performance, and then they'd run it back.

00:48:18.80
Adz
So the paces are actually, i don't know. I think they're, There's a lot more legitimacy to their their claim than and people have given them credit.

00:48:28.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:30.03
Adz
to They've landed the fourth seed and now they're playing like like they've um like they've earned it.

00:48:36.04
Russell Gibson
Like the Charles Barkley comment about yeah ESPN only talking about the big teams. I think this is where the paces fall into that.

00:48:40.98
Adz
Bugger

00:48:42.40
Russell Gibson
It's like how much exposure over the last 12 months of the paces had. And now they're in the last four teams.

00:48:47.16
Adz
Bugger all.

00:48:47.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And so I think that's my part where I'm kind of like, maybe the major media does need to do better every now and again, because they're,

00:48:57.05
Adz
got to acknowledge good performances, right?

00:48:59.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like they've they've been there and they've been good.

00:49:01.73
Adz
Yep.

00:49:02.24
Russell Gibson
So yeah, it's a bit of a tough one. I can't believe it. We're already up to our next break. Did that just go really quickly or is was that me?

00:49:10.12
Adz
Very quickly, very quickly.

00:49:11.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. All right. Let's go to our last break and then we'll finish off for 10 minutes or so.

00:49:21.23
Russell Gibson
US Sports Cards Australia, thank you very much for your ongoing and also re-upped support. Please go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au.

00:49:32.28
Russell Gibson
I recently had a phone conversation with Ross and we discussed at length some of the challenges that and successes he's currently having with his project, which is ComCA. If you're not aware of it, and it's a card consignment service where you send all of your cards to Ross.

00:49:49.75
Russell Gibson
He'll put them up for sale. He'll have them listed over multi-platforms.

00:49:54.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:55.31
Russell Gibson
He'll sell them, package them, post them out. The money goes into your account. It's simple as that. His selling point is that within three business days, people will have the cards into their hands.

00:50:03.58
Adz
It's

00:50:05.54
Russell Gibson
That's what he's trying to achieve.

00:50:07.86
Adz
a good promise.

00:50:08.00
Russell Gibson
And if you contrast that, yeah, if you contrast that to ComSea, which is the American company, and might take you a week or two weeks to get the cards into your hands.

00:50:08.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:16.33
Russell Gibson
So, you know, that's the difference.

00:50:17.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:18.41
Russell Gibson
So the challenges that Ross is currently having is that he can't get cards in quickly enough. He needs more inventory. So at the moment, he's running a promotion. If you use the promo code, you can't cop this. So on your submission sheet, just write that down anywhere.

00:50:33.68
Adz
Yep.

00:50:33.72
Russell Gibson
Ross will do your submission for free. There's normally a don't quote me what the price is. I think it's 10 cents a card, something along those lines.

00:50:40.23
Adz
Yep.

00:50:42.39
Russell Gibson
ah Currently Ross is waiving that fee so that he can encourage more people to get their cards in.

00:50:47.45
Adz
To upload, ah send it all in.

00:50:47.87
Russell Gibson
So yeah. Get your submissions into ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Click on the three little noodles.

00:50:55.80
Adz
hmm.

00:50:57.27
Russell Gibson
ah Then you need to click on Check Out My Cards Australia. And then there's a submission form. Yeah, there you go. It's six cents a card, actually.

00:51:08.67
Russell Gibson
But that's being waived at the moment when you write, you can't comp this onto to your thing.

00:51:12.15
Adz
Nice.

00:51:15.19
Adz
Brilliant.

00:51:16.17
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much, US Sports Cards Australia, for your ongoing support.

00:51:31.91
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we're back. This is our last segment. Let's get fired up.

00:51:35.10
Adz
we're in the We're in the final stretch. Let's go. Let's go. Let's cap but keep it going into the final term, even though, well, we've got one more series, haven't we?

00:51:41.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Let's see.

00:51:45.28
Adz
And like, oh, oh.

00:51:46.94
Russell Gibson
We've got a few things here. Let's try and do these quick hitters. All right. eBay automatically recently charged my account. This is something that's been coming for a little while. I think this is a very positive thing. if you are now bidding on cards with the intention of not paying for them, basically you can't do that anymore.

00:52:02.49
Adz
Hmm.

00:52:04.18
Russell Gibson
So your account gets charged automatically.

00:52:04.84
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:52:07.25
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, the pros of this are it's fantastic because that hopefully will stop people from bidding up cards. They're not gonna pay for also to, for someone like me who doesn't check eBay every day,

00:52:20.35
Russell Gibson
It might be one or two days before I've made payment, whereas now it's all sorted out for me. That's the pro. um The cons are you have to make sure that your postage address is set the right time every time.

00:52:31.76
Russell Gibson
So you now need to check that as you're putting your bids in.

00:52:35.90
Adz
yeah

00:52:36.46
Russell Gibson
So for example, for me, if I'm buying from someone in US, I'll use my US address. In Australia, I use my Australia address.

00:52:42.19
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:52:43.20
Russell Gibson
And so normally that's something in my head i would process that at checkout as opposed to like,

00:52:47.61
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

00:52:48.98
Russell Gibson
bidding, right? So that's something i I'm going to need to get to.

00:52:49.85
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

00:52:51.87
Russell Gibson
um Where are you at with this? What do you think about it?

00:52:54.19
Adz
I like it. As somebody that is has been the being exposed to the um people commit to buy and don't pay,

00:53:03.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:04.20
Adz
this is This is nice. This is this is like assuring that, oh, look, somebody pay committed to paying X amount for an auction.

00:53:12.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:13.87
Adz
they've They've committed to it.

00:53:15.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:53:17.22
Adz
it's um I think it's a it true it should have come sooner. So...

00:53:23.09
Russell Gibson
Michael Jordan is coming to broadcasting. He is going to be live on NBC on a scale of one to 10. How pumped are you for this?

00:53:32.26
Adz
I'm pretty pumped.

00:53:34.19
Russell Gibson
I'm 15 out of 10 pumped.

00:53:34.45
Adz
Pretty pumped. um um um ah I'm eight out of 10 pumped. ah no I know.

00:53:39.88
Russell Gibson
Oh, you are a hard man to please. All right. Okay, fine. So if Jordan is an eight, who is a 10 for you when it comes to ah an announcer?

00:53:48.40
Adz
I don't know. like I just, I don't know how I feel about Jordan commentating. I haven't heard Jordan before.

00:53:52.59
Russell Gibson
Okay, fine. Okay, you are in charge of NBC. You've got unlimited budget. Who are you going to put in to be a commentator?

00:54:02.20
Adz
All right, all right. That's a tough one. i get i'd get I'd literally get um recently retired players, so I don't know. I like listening to to the likes of... i' I'm looking at the coverage team.

00:54:18.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:18.17
Adz
I like Steve Nash. I really like Steve Nash.

00:54:20.66
Russell Gibson
He's a smart guy.

00:54:20.84
Adz
is that Is that Blake Griffin?

00:54:21.77
Russell Gibson
Pretty funny. yeah

00:54:23.82
Adz
I don't want to hear Blake Griffin. um Dirk's going to be interesting. I think Dirk's going to be very interesting. Is that Camelo Anthony?

00:54:31.45
Russell Gibson
Kamala Anthony, Udonis Haslam's with the black sunglasses. That took me a little minute to work out.

00:54:35.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:35.96
Russell Gibson
Dwayne Wade. Yep.

00:54:38.10
Adz
T-Wade, Steve Nash, yeah there's some there's some talent there.

00:54:42.05
Russell Gibson
So I think Jordan is going to rip people new assholes like live on air and I cannot wait. Like he's a full narcissist and who doesn't have a lot of patience for people who are not good at their jobs.

00:54:55.90
Russell Gibson
Like, I genuinely think he's going to be like, um, he's going to be like Stan, you know, so they took Stan Van Gundy off the air.

00:55:01.08
Adz
Is this gonna be detriment, potentially is this gonna be detrimental?

00:55:06.48
Russell Gibson
Cause they were basically said to him, like, you're too negative. Right.

00:55:09.10
Adz
yeah

00:55:10.20
Russell Gibson
Then they brought him back at a later time. I think Jordan is going to do what Van Gundy does, but like on steroids or on,

00:55:17.70
Adz
And it's Jordan, so who's going to argue with him?

00:55:19.97
Russell Gibson
Or on cocaine and any other substance that he may or may not partake in, right? So that's like one thing. The second thing is, why is he doing this?

00:55:29.64
Adz
Gambling fees.

00:55:30.72
Russell Gibson
Right, right. So he's recently... So this is like the scuttlebutt that's going on at the moment. He had to sell the Hornets because of like some bad debt. Allegedly. And now he's like out doing it like a paid gig.

00:55:45.47
Russell Gibson
You know? Like, I actually don't...

00:55:47.03
Adz
Do you know what? Where's the conspiracy next? He's going to start signing cards again.

00:55:51.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I feel like if he starts signing, that's when you know, like, actually he's in trouble.

00:55:54.93
Adz
Shit's hit the fan, yeah.

00:55:55.99
Russell Gibson
I actually don't believe he's in financial trouble. Like, I find that so difficult to believe.

00:55:59.09
Adz
i think he's just bored. You think he's just bored?

00:56:01.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think he wants something to do.

00:56:01.35
Adz
Okay.

00:56:02.63
Russell Gibson
Like he's now not riding the Hornets anymore. And by the way, he probably got out at a pretty good time, to be honest.

00:56:05.95
Adz
Yeah,

00:56:08.13
Russell Gibson
He made an absolute load of money off that.

00:56:10.62
Adz
yeah that's fair enough.

00:56:11.05
Russell Gibson
So like, you know, I find it so hard to believe he's got debt. All right, let's move on before we go into too much um conspiracy theories about Michael Jordan. This is from Card Ladder.

00:56:21.65
Russell Gibson
Eye-catching sale, 2007 chronology, Michael Jordan. This recently sold for $79,000.

00:56:29.10
Russell Gibson
Okay, I like this so much. This might be the best card that we've spoken about in a very, very long time. And this is actually also, too, the perfect time

00:56:42.11
Russell Gibson
um to talk about or think about some other cards that have sold recently. So we've we've spoken about some pretty big cards that have sold recently, like some ultra-modern stuff. oh Earlier in today's show, we spoke about the Brunson one-of-one.

00:56:56.83
Adz
Yes.

00:56:57.04
Russell Gibson
That sold for $97,000. So the question I've got to you, let's just comp these cards directly to each other.

00:57:02.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:03.15
Russell Gibson
What would you rather have? The Jordan Patch Autograph for $80,000 or a Nebula Jalen Brunson for $97,000?

00:57:11.27
Adz
I'm taking the Jordan every day of the week.

00:57:12.62
Russell Gibson
um Like, this is the thing about basketball cards that, and we spoke about this on our last show, it's like sometimes we get so bogged down in the ultra-modern, like we actually look,

00:57:22.90
Adz
It's getting a relativity. There's a level of relativity to it, right?

00:57:26.20
Russell Gibson
yeah, but

00:57:26.99
Adz
Okay.

00:57:29.71
Russell Gibson
Do you know where I'm going with this? Like, how can, how do people justify that purchase when you can get that Jordan card for that much when they've spent that on a Jalen Brunson?

00:57:31.42
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:57:39.20
Russell Gibson
Like, even like for me, I feel like I'm immersed in this, arguably more or less.

00:57:43.94
Adz
Yeah, but any any other player second... So and a Brunson Nebula from this year isn't going to fetch 97,000.

00:57:53.03
Russell Gibson
yeah it

00:57:53.95
Adz
There's the rookie factor.

00:57:55.65
Russell Gibson
I'm saying yes in agreeance to you, not as in, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:57.34
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. there's There's a rookie factor to it. and And I hear what you're saying. I definitely, like, as I said, I'll take the Jordan, but there there is a rookie factor to certain cards.

00:58:04.54
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:58:07.80
Adz
That's an investment for Brunson winning multiple championships, I think. Sure.

00:58:11.57
Russell Gibson
No, I just think that the ultra modern versus the 90s stuff, like, oh, okay, this is 2000s. Okay, let's just call it ultra modern to 2000s.

00:58:19.82
Adz
Sure.

00:58:20.62
Russell Gibson
I think that argument is really interesting to me because ah to me, its it's very hard for me to get my head around and comprehend it.

00:58:27.98
Adz
So the funny thing there, and I'll say that you're, I think you've got a, you you've made a really insightful point because we'll call this nebula.

00:58:28.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:34.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:37.62
Adz
That, that card is going to plateau and maybe ah go up a little bit. That Jordan in 30 years time is is going to have a five in front of it or something.

00:58:45.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:49.25
Adz
Do you know what mean?

00:58:50.34
Russell Gibson
I just think it might just sort of go up a couple of percent each year, whereas that nebula, I think that could go down.

00:58:53.47
Adz
But it's a plateau. Yeah, yeah.

00:58:55.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:56.68
Adz
What I'm saying is, like, those older cards of those absolute legends of the game a destined to track up.

00:59:01.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:03.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:04.50
Adz
Because the legend of the game is – it's not like Jordan's stats are going to change.

00:59:11.36
Russell Gibson
I don't know.

00:59:11.50
Adz
I mean, well, it depends.

00:59:11.82
Russell Gibson
Unless he does something.

00:59:13.00
Adz
what Well, it could could go down. It depends how he goes on NBC. Exactly.

00:59:16.12
Russell Gibson
That's all right. He could do something outlandish on TV, you know, like,

00:59:21.93
Adz
confessed to be for doing something that he Yeah.

00:59:24.26
Russell Gibson
No, just like, just rail on people on TV, you know, I think.

00:59:27.58
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:28.28
Russell Gibson
All right. ah So obviously we're out of kilter here in terms of our series talk, but this is a Nicola Yoke kick versus an SGA. So this Yoke kick rookie signatures, prism gold, select on-card autograph, BGS 9.5, 10 autograph 13,665.

00:59:43.60
Adz
Oh, that's not the one.

00:59:45.51
Russell Gibson
sold for thirteen thousand six six five

00:59:48.23
Adz
It's the wrong card.

00:59:48.55
Russell Gibson
versus an SGA also select autograph. That's the horizontal, not the vertical though. jem Mint 10, that sold for $12,676. Now this is getting really interesting for me because you've got somebody who's obviously done a lot versus someone who is all on projected time.

01:00:09.71
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm probably going with the Yo Kick just for the fact he's done a little bit more. Also, it's a vertical versus the horizontal.

01:00:18.00
Adz
Oh, I'm going with Jokic, doubt.

01:00:18.32
Russell Gibson
And yeah, the sale time was actually very comparable to March 28th versus April the third.

01:00:24.22
Adz
Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:00:26.75
Russell Gibson
So yeah, interesting one.

01:00:28.69
Adz
Yep, take the archage every day of the week.

01:00:29.22
Russell Gibson
Look,

01:00:31.46
Russell Gibson
Neither of those two are bad buys or sells, to be honest. I think they're both... If you sold it for that price and you bought it for that price, I think you've done really well. I don't see any you know true sort of losers on that one.

01:00:43.54
Adz
Mm.

01:00:43.96
Russell Gibson
Ah, this is the one that I was also wanted to talk to you about. So we've got a Jalen Williams Black 1 of 1.

01:00:48.87
Adz
Yes.

01:00:48.94
Russell Gibson
That sold for $4,900 versus the Jamal Murray BGS 9.5. That sold for $4,400 Black Select. ah bgs nine point five that's all for four thousand four hundred black select So that's a you know card versus card, as close as you can get it

01:00:57.74
Adz
Ooh. That is a... That's tough. What do you take here?

01:01:04.74
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, I actually think Jamal Murray is the better player, but this is the example of when someone is just more hobby valuable and that's Jalen Williams. We spoke about this kid last week in the exact same context.

01:01:17.75
Russell Gibson
So i think the rule, the rule also applies here.

01:01:18.70
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:21.45
Russell Gibson
Jalen Williams this is just popular and people think he's got a lot of upside.

01:01:23.19
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:25.40
Russell Gibson
I think the the question you have to really ask is, is like how much of this is upside versus true reality?

01:01:25.45
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:31.30
Russell Gibson
And so, Are you selling him at the peak now? My gut feeling is probably like these people are making very shrewd sales at the right time.

01:01:35.53
Adz
yeah

01:01:40.94
Adz
Timing is everything with with with sales like that for sure.

01:01:42.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We need to give a little bit more love to the Joker. This is from and NBA on ESPN. Nicole Jokic leads all plays in total points, rebounds, assists, and steals in these playoffs.

01:01:56.98
Russell Gibson
Do we need to say anything more?

01:02:01.15
Adz
Well, there was a post on Instagram earlier in the week after i think it was game five. or game four, and it was um it it showed the Jared Leto Joker, which is not a very good Joker for anyone that is playing.

01:02:15.85
Adz
It was like, this Joker is showing.

01:02:16.61
Russell Gibson
You didn't like him?

01:02:17.89
Adz
Well, no, and he he played like the Joker did in game game game five and didn't do so good. um And then it was which Joker is going to show up. So obviously Heath Ledger showed up for for for game six, and let's see if he shows up again for game seven.

01:02:33.44
Adz
Nicholson, Nicholson Joker for game seven.

01:02:37.71
Russell Gibson
Which is your favorite Joker?

01:02:39.40
Adz
Nicholson's my, like I love, like I love ledger, but Nicholson's the, what the first one that I saw.

01:02:40.16
Russell Gibson
Really?

01:02:44.98
Adz
So they're the, they're the, they're the creme de la creme.

01:02:49.22
Russell Gibson
So is used to collect the Batman cards and the Heath Ledger, sorry, not the Heath Ledger, the Jack Nicholson one.

01:02:54.45
Adz
Jack Nicholson, the 89 Batman.

01:02:57.11
Russell Gibson
So obviously, yeah, like that's got a soft spot in my heart.

01:02:58.20
Adz
Yes.

01:03:00.72
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, one of my favorite movies of all time is The Dark Knight.

01:03:02.44
Adz
Ledger.

01:03:04.72
Russell Gibson
Like it's crime noir, um gritty action. it just speaks to my soul. It's this dark, you know, yeah.

01:03:14.10
Adz
And that's why the Jared Leto comment was made about the previous game where he played like trash.

01:03:20.13
Russell Gibson
I didn't mind Jared Leto, though.

01:03:22.00
Adz
He definitely isn't top two.

01:03:26.46
Russell Gibson
i think my problem... Okay, we're segwaying hard right now, but how many Jokers and Batmans do you need? ah don't need three...

01:03:31.96
Adz
mine um my My number three is Mark Hamill.

01:03:32.59
Russell Gibson
I don't need three Batman.

01:03:35.58
Adz
my my My three is Mark Hamill as the Joker in the animated in the animated series.

01:03:37.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that was a sick... Okay, we are segwaying hard now. I watched that series with my kid race kids recently. I was, like, back in my childhood. It was fantastic.

01:03:47.16
Adz
they they they ri But there's there's a lot of different Jokers.

01:03:47.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:50.61
Russell Gibson
ye

01:03:50.94
Adz
Could be Adam West's Batman, like the 60s Batman Joker.

01:03:53.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. How many Batmans do we need?

01:03:55.58
Adz
How many Jokers do we need? We need... Denver needs the Joker.

01:04:01.11
Russell Gibson
All right. We've got to be quick here. ah This is from Daniel Whitehead. He posted this on SportsCard Addicts Australia. Definitely not our content, but I wanted to give this some... Some love.

01:04:12.76
Russell Gibson
i knew it would be difficult getting a family pic with these. Rude word. We can't say that. A Hunt. Years in the making. Tops. Please no more. And the horizontal downtown from this year can get effed as far as I'm concerned.

01:04:24.99
Russell Gibson
Thanks to everyone who helped along the way. If you can't see this picture at home online, he has in his personal collection, they're all PSA 10s too, LeBron James downtown from

01:04:36.14
Adz
Wow.

01:04:40.61
Russell Gibson
16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, all in PSA 10. I think the correct question now is which one would you choose yourself, Adam, to put into your PC?

01:04:53.99
Adz
Which one would I choose?

01:04:55.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:55.57
Adz
And I've got some Lakers ones too, so it's tough. Um...

01:05:02.62
Russell Gibson
The artwork on these is just mint, isn't it?

01:05:05.22
Adz
it is it is pretty It is pretty amazing.

01:05:08.41
Russell Gibson
While you're choosing, I'm going to read my favorite comment out of this. This is from Matthew Holman. Single word, moist.

01:05:15.84
Adz
ah um i am going to go with the

01:05:22.82
Adz
weny twenty two

01:05:25.66
Russell Gibson
Okay. The jump shot.

01:05:27.91
Adz
yeah

01:05:28.72
Russell Gibson
I'll go with the 20-21 because he's doing that sick dunk that he does. I like that one. I think in terms of the action shot, I like that one the best.

01:05:36.75
Adz
Okay, yeah, I like that.

01:05:36.82
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yeah.

01:05:38.39
Adz
ah I'm trying to also feature the background, like take consideration for the background, but you're right, I like that.

01:05:43.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:45.87
Adz
That's a nice one too.

01:05:48.40
Russell Gibson
All right. I was going to finish off with the Draymond Green story, but we already touched on this really quickly.

01:05:49.25
Adz
Beautiful cards.

01:05:54.84
Russell Gibson
This is from Shams. NBA has fined Draymond Green fifty k for comments, questioning integrity of the game officials, referring to the 5.5 spread number

01:06:03.86
Adz
Yep.

01:06:04.27
Russell Gibson
He was alleging at end the game they were going to make a call to give the other team the ball back to get an extra shot to to get the spread. But look, i don't know.

01:06:11.61
Adz
Wow.

01:06:11.73
Russell Gibson
That's a tough one. All right. Let's finish off with the future trade. This is kind of fun. I'll let you pick this one. There's an Instagram post there ad. We've already spoken about the Philadelphia Phoenix one. Why don't you pick a trade on there and we'll run through that and then we'll finish off for today.

01:06:25.37
Adz
i want the Giannis trade. Give me the Giannis trade.

01:06:28.10
Russell Gibson
ah right what does All right, this is pretty complicated, and I think this is probably not going to happen, but that's still fun one to talk about.

01:06:28.13
Adz
Giannis to the Spurs.

01:06:35.15
Russell Gibson
Giannis to the Spurs. Bucks get Stephon Castle, Harrison Barnes, Kelton Johnson, the number two pick, favorable pick of Milwaukee, number first-round pick.

01:06:40.07
Adz
The number two pick.

01:06:47.26
Russell Gibson
Pelicans get the 14th pick and a 27 first-round pick.

01:06:49.50
Adz
huh

01:06:54.40
Adz
And then the Spurs get Giannis.

01:06:56.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:58.67
Adz
Yeah, that's probably not going to happen.

01:07:04.41
Russell Gibson
I think my problem for the Bucks is like, there's no sort of clear stud coming out at number two this year, or allegedly.

01:07:12.21
Adz
Hmm.

01:07:12.90
Russell Gibson
I'm no like draft, but the quick look I've had, look through the draft boards, it's like, would you actually do that to not get a star back?

01:07:23.90
Adz
Yeah, true.

01:07:27.27
Russell Gibson
Unless you think Castle's got to be

01:07:27.66
Adz
I don't think you do. Nah, I don't think you do. i don't Unless you've really got high hopes on the number two pick.

01:07:34.00
Russell Gibson
See, I actually wonder if you put Darren Fox into that spot and then say you take Harrison Barnes and you take Calden Johnson out to make the salaries work and also the number two pick, that actually makes a bit more sense in my head because then you can actually say, look, but I think Castle could play Fox's minutes.

01:07:37.91
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:40.64
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different stuff.

01:07:46.37
Adz
Nah, they need the guard. They need Fox.

01:07:51.40
Russell Gibson
This is actually what I worry about the Spurs team at the moment. It's like Fox and Castle is pretty much the same player, but Fox is getting paid ah ah way lot more.

01:08:00.58
Adz
Yeah, true, true. They can probably make the money work. I still like your Kevin Durant, the Kevin Durant for Paul George one.

01:08:06.97
Russell Gibson
To be fair, just, I didn't make these up. This is from um CBS Sports.

01:08:10.36
Adz
Yeah, know. That's for the Instagram post.

01:08:11.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sorry.

01:08:13.52
Adz
But i still I still like the the posing the question because obviously Kevin Durant moving is going to be a big question this season.

01:08:16.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:21.12
Russell Gibson
Surely he's on the move this year.

01:08:22.26
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:23.38
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam. Thank you to all of our listeners. Thank you to, ah we had fan mail this week. I forgot to mention this.

01:08:31.84
Adz
Oh, we'll do.

01:08:31.89
Russell Gibson
Thank you to people who sent us fan mail.

01:08:34.21
Adz
Oh, yeah. Thanks for thanks for the the reviews.

01:08:38.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:38.94
Adz
like if And for those listening, if you're if you're listening through a platform like Spotify or a podcast or any of those platforms, well, can leave us a review. We would really, really appreciate it.

01:08:50.38
Russell Gibson
So I don't know who the person is because it's basically done enormously anonymously. But what it says is, just found your podcast and YouTube channel. Love your content. That is from Silver Spring in Maryland, USA. So thank you so much.

01:09:01.43
Russell Gibson
You absolutely made my day getting a message from America.

01:09:04.46
Adz
That was awesome. Yeah. Really humbling.

01:09:06.17
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:09:06.55
Adz
Yep. Awesome.

01:09:09.03
Russell Gibson
Goodbye, everyone.

01:09:10.43
Adz
See you guys next week.