Episode 213: Timeless Moments📝 WHO TO PC? CHECKLIST TOOL 🔥

 Building your PC but don’t know where to start? Use this point system to figure out if your guy is Tim Duncan… or heading straight to a Kobe auto 🔥
 ✅ Position
 ✅ Draft Status
 ✅ Excitement
 ✅ Market Size
 ✅ PSA 10 Pop
 Add ‘em up and see where you land!

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00:01.06
Adz
100. There we go. Sorry, I was trying trying to get things so they

00:08.36
Adz
look. All right. what ah What's the that's the theme? Oh, just a who do you PC?

00:18.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so, like well, yeah, who to PC? That's probably, yeah.

00:23.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:23.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24.32
Adz
Yeah, that's fine. We can name it in a sec.

00:35.74
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 213 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson, and we are back.

00:49.66
Russell Gibson
Hello, hello, everyone. Hope you're well on this Wednesday day.

00:54.19
Adz
Yes, we've got another timeless moment for you all. And and what's what's this week's timeless moment, Russell?

01:00.88
Russell Gibson
So I think we should thank our listener, Jamie Perchevsky, for his DMs to our Instagram account.

01:05.19
Adz
yes

01:08.48
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much, mate. It's always good for a chat with people who are like-minded of the hobby. And his question was, maybe...

01:20.22
Russell Gibson
So Jamie's question was...

01:25.84
Adz
Where's the question?

01:26.78
Russell Gibson
Take three.

01:29.46
Russell Gibson
So the conversation went along the lines of what other topics do you think that we could do for Timeless Moments after he enjoyed a previous episode?

01:36.30
Adz
Yeah.

01:37.49
Russell Gibson
So when the question went, who do you guys think to PC and why and what next players should people get into and might be cool?

01:37.91
Adz
Yep.

01:42.05
Adz
Yep.

01:46.61
Russell Gibson
And so... Whoever that you PC is a very personal question. I think the best way to answer that is collect somebody that you enjoy watching.

01:58.44
Russell Gibson
And I think if you do that, it's a very enjoyable way to embrace your collection.

02:00.30
Adz
Mm-hmm.

02:03.96
Russell Gibson
Because if he has a good game, you can go look at your cards.

02:06.26
Adz
Yeah.

02:07.25
Russell Gibson
Or you can be sorting your cards as you're watching him play on TV or, you know, something along those lines. Like I genuinely enjoy doing stuff like that.

02:14.84
Adz
Yeah.

02:17.04
Russell Gibson
And I think if you then choose somebody that also happens to ascend into NBA all-star or all NBA, you know, that's really exciting too.

02:26.89
Adz
Then it's ah a bonus.

02:27.21
Russell Gibson
Cause then that's right. You have that potential of also your collection going up. And so, you know, I think that's the best way to look at it.

02:32.03
Adz
Sure.

02:34.59
Russell Gibson
And I think that's the way to answer your question. And,

02:37.44
Adz
Yeah.

02:38.66
Russell Gibson
However, what I did do is I came up with a tool that I put onto social media and I think that it wasn't that well received by people. And I think the reason it was, and and quite correctly so, is because then people kind of like, oh, well, are you saying that my collection's worth nothing now or it's worth less?

02:56.61
Russell Gibson
And it's like, well, actually that wasn't the reason I put this tool together.

03:00.64
Adz
Mm.

03:01.08
Russell Gibson
It was more, to be honest, this is something I've had in the back of my mind for a little while and I wasn't too sure how to get it out.

03:08.01
Adz
Yeah.

03:08.07
Russell Gibson
And so on socials, I've labeled it as who to PC checklist, but maybe what it should be is um

03:15.23
Adz
I think you you got the letters confused. Should be how to PC.

03:18.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. How to PC or it should be actually how much money should I spend on somebody that I don't like? Because I think that's the best way.

03:26.26
Adz
Mmm.

03:26.30
Russell Gibson
So then you're just being like ruthlessly objective about it. It's like, okay, I don't like this guy, but should I be spending money investing into his card? So this is the checklist you would use for that situation.

03:37.17
Adz
Collecting versus investing, right?

03:39.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

03:39.62
Adz
Yeah,

03:41.12
Russell Gibson
So it's like, okay, so for me, like Jalen Green is the perfect guy. And actually that's the guy who's in the picture. It's like, should I be spending money on Jalen Green? So this is the checklist. And people who are smarter than me will work this out really quickly.

03:54.13
Russell Gibson
it says 10 to 15 points. It should be 10 to 12 points. So obviously this is like ah a first or a second draft that I've rolled out here.

04:01.16
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:01.59
Russell Gibson
ah Position, center equals one point. Forward is two points. Guard is three points. So um Tim Duncan would get one point in this example.

04:12.15
Adz
Yep.

04:12.41
Russell Gibson
Kevin Durant would get two.

04:13.97
Adz
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

04:14.22
Russell Gibson
and And Michael Jordan would get three. Draft status, were they a high upside player? So you can think about all the ESPN coverage and they talk about high upside, long wingspan.

04:20.35
Adz
yeah

04:26.42
Russell Gibson
You can interchange those words. You know, that's totally fine. um Were they 21 years or younger or are they 22 years or older? So the easy one to think about there is...

04:37.36
Russell Gibson
um

04:40.95
Russell Gibson
for the Indiana Pacers, Chris Duarte. So when he came into the league, he was older than 22 he's already out of the league.

04:47.17
Adz
hmm.

04:48.88
Russell Gibson
So he came in, he played really well for a couple of years, but then basically he was squeezed out.

04:51.75
Adz
Yep.

04:54.08
Russell Gibson
um And I actually think it's almost a little bit of bias that the NBA has. I think they really maybe overvalue younger players because I think Duarte could play in the league. but he got more money offers outside of it.

05:06.16
Russell Gibson
So, you know, that was fine.

05:06.38
Adz
Yeah.

05:06.96
Russell Gibson
and um And then the other one who would get two points in this example, 21 years or younger, is Pat Williams for the Bulls. So you have to give him a little bit more potential or higher points for that.

05:19.67
Adz
Yeah.

05:19.85
Russell Gibson
um Is his game exciting? Actually, i think I laid this one out really well. The example is Tim Duncan. Amazing player, but shoots shots off the backboard. That was his calling card. Tyrese Halliburton, really good player, but...

05:33.19
Russell Gibson
not particularly that highlightable. And then the obvious highlight machine the moment is Anthony Edwards. He would get three points.

05:39.46
Adz
and John Morant, Anthony Edwards.

05:40.77
Russell Gibson
Jamarank. Zion Williamson, yeah, all those guys that came out of college and you knew they were exciting straight away, you know.

05:42.26
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

05:46.26
Adz
Mm-hmm.

05:46.87
Russell Gibson
So market size, this is a little bit of a tricky one, ah but actually I found this on, just on Google.

05:47.05
Adz
Yep.

05:53.78
Russell Gibson
I just Googled what are the m NBA markets. The problem with most of the hits you get at the start actually will blend in old NBA teams and then also like NFL teams.

06:04.10
Russell Gibson
So to find like a specific NBA list, maybe was like the fifth sixth hit down the list, but it lays it out really well.

06:11.40
Adz
Yeah.

06:11.41
Russell Gibson
New Orleans and Memphis are the two smallest markets. In the middle is Denver and Cleveland, almost smack bang at like 15, 16. Then right at the top, you've got New York, LA, Chicago.

06:18.85
Adz
Yeah.

06:21.94
Adz
Big markets. Yeah.

06:22.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Brooklyn and the Clippers Lakers is in that same thing, which I thought was really interesting.

06:27.01
Adz
Yep.

06:28.30
Russell Gibson
I kind of assumed that like Brooklyn would be like further down the list, but actually they're right at the top.

06:28.39
Adz
Interesting.

06:32.40
Russell Gibson
So that's really interesting.

06:33.24
Adz
yeah

06:34.37
Russell Gibson
ah Five points PC only. six to nine points some are upside to your PC and 10 to 12 points you'll be rolling to a Kobe auto in no time at all so um I think there's a ah few exceptions to this Nikola Jokic would score really poorly on this but he's been amazing

06:51.85
Adz
oh

06:54.69
Russell Gibson
um because maybe you could say he's got high upside or maybe you could actually give him like How old was he when he came into league? I don't think he was 22. I think he was less than 21.

07:05.57
Adz
But yeah, but you'd go what?

07:07.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

07:08.03
Adz
Center, one point.

07:09.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Is his game exciting?

07:09.91
Adz
High upside, three points.

07:11.43
Russell Gibson
Tim Duncan, one point.

07:11.52
Adz
One point. Yep.

07:12.55
Russell Gibson
Did he go into a large market?

07:12.68
Adz
say So he's seven.

07:14.05
Russell Gibson
Okay, two points. So he'd be around like six points. Yeah.

07:16.52
Adz
Some upside to your PC. So he's definitely not rolling rolling to it.

07:18.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

07:20.32
Adz
Yeah.

07:20.93
Russell Gibson
Giannis was two points for a forward. I think he had pretty high upside, but yeah he was like also very high risk.

07:25.21
Adz
Yeah.

07:26.80
Russell Gibson
So you could give him like a two or three.

07:27.33
Adz
Yeah.

07:29.30
Russell Gibson
Was he exciting? Yeah. He was probably like a two.

07:30.52
Adz
He's probably a Halliburton. Yeah, he's a Halliburton.

07:32.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. At the time. Yeah.

07:34.05
Adz
And he's in a low he's definitely in a small market in Milwaukee.

07:34.37
Russell Gibson
And he, yeah, I think probably you'd give them one to be fair for that. So again, you know, that's like PC only for Giannis. So I think that's, you know, where it would go really wrong. um

07:44.52
Adz
So maybe the scale needs adjusting. But yeah, I like i like the the points side of it.

07:48.20
Russell Gibson
Well,

07:49.90
Adz
Yeah.

07:50.48
Russell Gibson
I brought those two up specifically because I think that's where they this tool definitely doesn't work.

07:55.53
Adz
Yeah.

07:55.84
Russell Gibson
But actually for some of them, so we've got some listener um submissions that they put in that we can quickly run through, which I think was like pretty good. Marvin Williams from James Gregory. um So that's an absolute five and that's where the tool is absolutely spot on.

08:10.23
Adz
Yep.

08:10.90
Russell Gibson
um

08:11.39
Adz
Pace,

08:12.18
Russell Gibson
Maybe he should be minus five. Yeah. Keontae George for the Utah Jazz. So Luke James has got him down at seven or eight points.

08:21.59
Adz
Yep.

08:21.99
Russell Gibson
He plays guards. That's three. High upside, three. So he's up to six. Is his game exciting?

08:26.25
Adz
Yep.

08:27.40
Russell Gibson
You'd probably give him like two. um Market, you'd give him one. So yeah, he's kind of like in that some upside to your PC. And actually, I think that's perfect for him. um Bill Davidson, thank you so much for your contribution.

08:41.83
Russell Gibson
bill that's fantastic or collect hall of famers that haven't been accused of rape pedophilia or convicted felons so i think he's talking about avoiding gilbert arenas and carl malone at the moment is that what he's referencing there but buying into jordan kareem bill russell um

08:52.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

08:57.19
Adz
Oh, look, yeah, I was going to say having the criminology yeah ah category might be, yeah.

09:02.78
Russell Gibson
yeah i mean are they a knucklehead example gilbert arenas

09:05.56
Adz
but we What about you yielding, what about guns? What about sawing guns all over Instagram?

09:11.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

09:11.66
Adz
Yeah, all right, yeah, true.

09:13.51
Russell Gibson
ah Ados Yusha, Shen Goon might be 16 plus. So ah one point for center. I'll give him two points for draft status. I don't think he was like crazy high upside.

09:23.88
Russell Gibson
Is his game exciting? No, one point. Market size, ah Houston is actually three points for that. So what's that?

09:31.12
Adz
Yeah.

09:31.28
Russell Gibson
Three.

09:34.54
Russell Gibson
Four, he's seven, seven.

09:37.13
Adz
Alright.

09:37.48
Russell Gibson
So that's actually not bad. Some upside to your PC. That's some upside there.

09:42.09
Adz
Okay. Cade.

09:44.16
Russell Gibson
Nine or a 10. I agree with that.

09:45.46
Adz
Yep. Agreed.

09:46.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

09:46.45
Adz
Agreed. Yeah. Yep. I like it. Yeah.

09:48.28
Russell Gibson
So this tool is actually not entirely useless.

09:52.49
Adz
True.

09:53.28
Russell Gibson
um Yeah, it definitely could use a little bit more tweaking, but I think, yeah.

09:57.88
Adz
ah Could do with a bit of work, but I think it's...

09:59.98
Russell Gibson
What about, what about a play that you want to run through it at? Who would you put into this?

10:03.34
Adz
who would Who would I run through? ah we'll we'll stick withz we'll We'll stick with Ja Morant.

10:05.06
Russell Gibson
yeah

10:09.85
Adz
There we go.

10:09.88
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yep.

10:11.56
Adz
so what have we got? He's a guard, so three points.

10:14.68
Russell Gibson
Yep.

10:15.12
Adz
ah High upside, three points.

10:16.13
Russell Gibson
Very high upside. Yep.

10:17.45
Adz
ah Three points for exciting, but then I get one for for small market, Memphis.

10:19.96
Russell Gibson
Yep. you're up to nine.

10:23.82
Russell Gibson
So that's 10 points still though. so But I do think you need to put a negative multiplier in him for the knucklehead rule, which we haven't put onto this, which is minus 20%.

10:33.02
Adz
Okay, so it would become an A. All

10:34.64
Russell Gibson
So that takes him down to some upside to your PC, which actually he's absolutely perfect.

10:38.33
Adz
right. That's fair. That's fair.

10:40.62
Russell Gibson
Yep.

10:41.38
Adz
um well ah What about someone more recent? um I don't want to go Anthony Edwards. That's boring.

10:50.26
Russell Gibson
So what about Bob Carrington for the Washington Wizards?

10:53.66
Adz
Sure.

10:55.23
Russell Gibson
All right.

10:59.23
Russell Gibson
He... Mostly plays forward. Actually, he can play guard. Let's give him the better for the doubt. Three points for guard. He was young. um And let's just give him the high upside of three sets. Six.

11:11.61
Russell Gibson
Is his game exciting? Let's give him a one for that. He's not he's not overly exciting. Market is small to mid.

11:21.50
Adz
know Okay.

11:22.13
Russell Gibson
Let's give him a one for that. So what does that take us up to?

11:27.20
Russell Gibson
8. Some upside to your PC. Yeah. so But him being 8 and then Cade being 9 to 10, that is a bit of a problem though, isn't it?

11:30.77
Adz
All right. Rui Hachimura is a good one.

11:37.29
Adz
So there's a glaring thing about the, okay, so then then maybe you need to expand the scale in some different areas.

11:38.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

11:42.73
Adz
So there there's only a minor impact on the position, but a major impact for a game, exciting game.

11:45.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

11:48.05
Russell Gibson
But also too, there's a big difference between a 10 and an 8. That's probably the other thing to point out too.

11:52.27
Adz
True, true.

11:52.41
Russell Gibson
that's like It's a large step up between 10 and 8. Yeah.

11:56.13
Adz
Cool. I said Rui had Jamora as a forward, but he plays in a big market. Let's see.

12:01.94
Russell Gibson
yeah

12:03.48
Adz
How young was Rui when he got drafted?

12:06.09
Russell Gibson
I'll give him two for upside because I don't think he ever really came out as like a massive prospect.

12:09.67
Adz
Yeah, so 21.

12:11.19
Russell Gibson
yeah

12:11.38
Adz
Yep. So two for a forward, two for draft status. Is his game exciting at two? so it's six. And then mark it though, three.

12:19.23
Russell Gibson
Nah, he's not. whats What's exciting about his game?

12:23.81
Adz
yeah All right, so he's a one then.

12:25.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:25.66
Adz
But hes ah he also gets three points for being in LA.

12:29.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay. That's fine.

12:31.26
Adz
So he's an eight. No, nine.

12:32.57
Russell Gibson
Eight.

12:34.61
Adz
Oh, eight.

12:34.63
Russell Gibson
Right.

12:35.01
Adz
You're right. Yeah.

12:36.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So there is a big difference between like nine and 10 and eight and 10, isn't there?

12:39.91
Adz
Yeah, because he's like, you get three points for being a Laker or a Knick.

12:40.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:44.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:46.96
Adz
Okay. So who's who's someone on New York? Karl-Anthony Towns.

12:55.74
Russell Gibson
Center one, he he was pretty high upside as the number one pick.

12:59.30
Adz
Yeah, so four.

12:59.71
Russell Gibson
So that's four.

13:00.52
Adz
Yeah.

13:00.88
Russell Gibson
Is his game exciting? No, one. Five.

13:03.57
Adz
Five.

13:04.42
Russell Gibson
Market size is now.

13:05.52
Adz
Three.

13:05.70
Russell Gibson
But yeah, yeah, that's right.

13:05.93
Adz
So he's an eight.

13:09.18
Adz
Okay. Okay.

13:09.85
Russell Gibson
That's actually a good example. um Let's finish off with some Instagram comments. This is from Liftoff Cards. Jalen Green is one of my main PCs. He's been doing a good job of dunking the value out of it. I wasn't too sure about what he meant by that.

13:22.43
Russell Gibson
um And he he meant sinking. So ah i don't know. I think Jalen Green is a bit of a hold at the moment. i think there's a lot going on there. Neil Collect Cards gave Jordan a nine.

13:34.99
Russell Gibson
I would actually give him a 12. I think three for guard, three for upside, three for excitement, and three for market size. That's straight to 12 for me.

13:43.49
Adz
yeah

13:44.51
Russell Gibson
um Jokey gets a seven. Yeah, we covered that earlier and in the bit. And then Dub's cards Oz has pointed out something quite funny. Jalen's positioning in relation to the rim has broken my brain.

13:56.79
Russell Gibson
So that is exclusive to ChatTPT's creativity. But we've been talking off air. Actually, we think he's rebounding the ball there.

14:04.69
Adz
He's rebounding on getting a block.

14:06.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's not Tenet-style dunking the ball.

14:07.10
Adz
Yeah. Dunking backwards.

14:11.20
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, he hasn't just missed the dunk.

14:15.17
Russell Gibson
No.

14:17.78
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's roll that into the end. Thank you, Adam. Thank you, everyone, for listening.

14:23.28
Adz
That was great.

14:23.45
Russell Gibson
That was fun.

14:24.28
Adz
It's an interesting timeless moment. If you've got any comments to make or suggestions on how you would change your your PC decision tools, ah please drop a comment down below and we look forward to seeing you guys in the next one.

14:40.93
Russell Gibson
Thanks, everyone. Bye-bye.

14:45.83
Adz
Done.