You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 214 – SGA MVP, Denver’s Future & Who’s Next?
This week we spotlight SGA’s MVP season, his massive contract extension, and how that’s shaping the hobby. We talk All-NBA teams, the Nuggets’ early exit, and which young stars are primed to take off next.
- 🏀 SGA vs Ant-Man: who’s the better long-term hold?
- 🧢 All-NBA & All-Defensive team impact
- 🏔️ What’s next for Denver? Braun? MPJ?
- 🔥 Who’s the next SGA? Rookies we’re buying
- 📈 Card Ladder: Tatum tracker
- 🎤 Listener Shoutout – Jamie Percevski
Jamie asks a big one: Who’s the next after SGA & Ant?
We discuss upcoming rookies and rising stars who could explode in value next. - 👑 MJ of the Week
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 214 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
Good evening. Good evening. Welcome to all of our listeners on on YouTube, out at Central Coast Radio,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um Spotify, Google Podcasts, which whichever podcast platform you're listening to us on.
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Russell Gibson
We don't care.
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Adz
yeah We're glad to have you.
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Russell Gibson
As long as you listen.
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Adz
We're glad to have you on board with us.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
And boy, what a week in basketball.
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Russell Gibson
Just doesn't stop, does it?
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Adz
Well, it's ah it's the playoffs. It's all the awards get announced, all of the excitement.
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Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
um Yeah, there's there's there's a lot happening. we are We now are down to the best of the West, best of the East, playing one another.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um Two very different conference playoff pictures. But some awards have come out recently. Do we want to talk start with?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. i was going to say, it's so funny to me. You started off with like the playing on the court. Whereas for me, that's almost been a bit secondary. Like MVP or MVP got announced.
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Adz
Really?
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Russell Gibson
That's really big deal.
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Adz
it's a big farcical award in my eyes at the moment. It's ridiculous. So the second the second best player in the league got ah got given an award.
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Russell Gibson
All NBA players.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, it's not the first time or the last time it's going to happen.
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Adz
ah It's the second time it's happened to this guy. Poor Jokic. Anyway.
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Russell Gibson
Happened to Jordan twice, I think. Happened to Kobe. It's just the way the the world or the the way the and NBA works, really, isn't it?
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Adz
yeah well, the more modern times we'll call it the Joel Embiid rule and it's been applied to Nikola Jokic twice now.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So anyway, congratulations to SGA. I think he's a good winner. Like it's, I agree with you. I think it's Yoki could have won it, but at the same time, it's not a total trash bag.
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Adz
I'm going to start by saying I think he had a really, really good season, probably the best season he's ever played.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
This is about the most valuable player. Jokic is the best player in the world, and when he plays for Denver, they win.
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Russell Gibson
Thank you.
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Adz
When he doesn't play for Denver, they lose. He is more valuable to Denver than SGA is to to to the Thunder. I'm not going to steal SGA's thunder anymore but by being bitter about the award.
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Adz
I just think the most valuable player should go to the most valuable player, and Jokic should have five of these awards by now. Anyway, he doesn't. SGA wins. Congrats.
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Adz
He had a brilliant season. Let's see how he does in the playoffs. Anyway.
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Russell Gibson
So to take your point, it's a regular season award.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And I actually wonder if the NBA and the media needs to do a better explanation of how they come to their voting. Because like for me, it's like clearly it also has baked into that the team performance.
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Russell Gibson
And I think that's maybe where it gets a little bit confused or it gets a little bit kind of like, the narrative does change a little bit. So like just to put all the facts onto the table, the Thunder won 68 games this year and the Nuggets 50.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Awesome. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And so, you know, it's really muddy to unpack all of that as like a direct correlation. Like you can't say, oh, well, they're the better team. So therefore they get the MVP. Like it isn't as clear cut as that. But I think in this instance, I think a lot of that was definitely, you know, baked into that. And then looking at third place, it was Giannis.
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Russell Gibson
The Bucks had 48 wins and then Tatum was fourth, but Boston had 61 wins. And I think that's where it even gets a little bit more complicated again, you know, like, and so.
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Adz
We know the Tatum problem comes down to Jalen Brown, right?
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Russell Gibson
yeah I think just the overall depth of Boston, like they were just really good this year. And maybe also too, it's a little bit that Cleveland was better than them in the East and that was a bit unexpected, wasn't it?
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Adz
Sure, sure.
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Russell Gibson
So Cleveland clocked in at 64 wins. So look, I don't want to oversimplify this and just make it, we're just looking through the numbers of how many teams won what, but I think we should at least acknowledge that because
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Adz
and
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Russell Gibson
And maybe that's what we need to do is actually you know try and find out you know how do people vote for it. Like, Zach Lowe used to do a really good column. And I'll be honest with you, I've lost track a little bit of Zach Lowe because I think he's back doing independent media again.
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Adz
he's Zach Lowe. No, no, I think, isn't Zach Lowe back?
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Russell Gibson
So he's not with ESPN anymore.
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Adz
No, no, he's gone back.
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Russell Gibson
He's...
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Adz
He's gone to the ringer.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
He's we built with Bill Simmons, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
so And he used to do... Every year, he used to do a column about why he voted for this person for All-NBA and why he didn't.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And he would break it down and go into advanced stats. And he used to put you know so much detail into it. So I wonder if that would be really helpful for us to actually understand you know why does it happen?
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Russell Gibson
Because I think at a very superficial level, it does seem like that, doesn't it? So...
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Adz
Yeah. True, true, true.
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Russell Gibson
So think, look, let's tie this back to basketball cards as we always try and do to it. I think we have to congratulate people that saw this coming because, you know, we've been talking about this for six months now saying that there's and there's an event on the horizon, you know, is he going to win MVP and and all the speculation around that.
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Adz
That's true.
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Russell Gibson
So this peaked at 1-1-5-0. one one five o
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Russell Gibson
maybe even higher than that.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Let me have a look at this. It's a little bit hard because I'm on the all-time data. It's actually nearly 1,560. It's currently trading 1,338. So if you're looking at the last six months, it's up 108%, another way saying you've doubled your money. so If you're looking at it the last 12 months, it's up 123%. So just an absolute huge uptick here.
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Russell Gibson
or another way of saying is you've doubled your money if you're looking at for the twelve months it's up a hundred and twenty three percent so ah just an absolute huge uptick here
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
look, I think I was very wrong about this, and but it doesn't change my underlying concern about this guy.
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Adz
Bye.
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Russell Gibson
of you know Where is this going to end up? like Is this going to be back at $600 in 12 months' time? you know i really don't know about that because I think winning a single MVP doesn't mean that you're going to be a collecting darling. And we've seen that with
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Russell Gibson
Probably the easiest example to think about with that is Jokic. Sorry, not Jokic, Embiid, where they win one MVP, but it doesn't then mean that they're going to be a $1,000 card. it's you know It's almost quite the contrary to that.
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Adz
This is true.
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Russell Gibson
Now, just stepping ahead and getting ahead of so ah ourselves here, which is kind of a fun thing to do is it fair to say that they're the favorite to win right now?
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Adz
just stepping
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Russell Gibson
Because without spoiling future segments of the show, the Knicks are down two games to the paces at the moment.
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Adz
Is it going say you're to for it now? 20 ready for the Pacers finals. I win Pacers.
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Russell Gibson
And assuming that the Thunder gets past the Wolves, I think they'll beat the Pacers. So that would give them a championship.
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Adz
It's, um...
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Russell Gibson
Which is a funny one for me because, look, I think the Thunder are good, but I don't think they're great champion. Again, I'm getting my head of myself here. But so anyway, the narrative is, or the question is, the hypothetical question is, are we about to see a dynasty happen?
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Adz
Sure, sure, yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
They're so young. They've still got a lot of draft equity coming towards them.
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Adz
I...
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Adz
i'm not I'm not sold on them. I'm probably... I'm in the minority. I've been told I'm in the minority. The Wolves, it's not a series until, and and like the Wolves are not written off.
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Adz
I think there's a chance.
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Russell Gibson
No, they're not. And they won today.
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Adz
They won by by thirty but by a big way.
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Russell Gibson
so they won game three.
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Adz
They dominated that game on their home floor.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Which is a very m NBA thing to happen, isn't it? Like there are blowouts in NBA games, which is why we have seven game series. So, yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. So there's a there's a chance that the the Thunder are anticlimactic and don't make it, but they're in a good seat at the moment.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
But you're right. they they've They've been the best you so team all season, maybe. maybe Maybe it's time to give them some flowers.
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Russell Gibson
But let's do sort of a first take approach here.
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Adz
don't know.
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Russell Gibson
We're looking at a dynasty for the next five years. What do you think this card goes up to? Or you don't see a dynasty.
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Adz
I don't think it goes over. I don't see a dynasty. um I think the data shows that the last dynasty we had was sort of the the Warriors and no other no no other team has been able to establish a dynasty.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Steph Curry was our last dynasty. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Adz
Everyone wants to be a dynasty. We've had a different NBA champion for the last five years.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
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Adz
So I don't...
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Russell Gibson
Which is solely based on the way they changed the c salary cap rules to create parity within the league.
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Adz
Yeah, so we we're actually we're reaping what we've sown here.
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Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
ah There is going to be a new and NBA champion this year. Like the the Celtics aren't getting back to defend their title. Thunder have never won it. Timberwolves have never.
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Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like Indiana's, it's going to be either Indiana or New York, and they haven't won recently.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like it's going to be at the the only certainty is it's going to be a new champion. So I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I would take Dynasty off the table and I i would be even going back to back tricky.
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Adz
Or two in three, like the Nuggets couldn't do that.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And they've been built.
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Adz
the the The Nuggets are built to to do it. And I think there's, yeah, there's question marks over that. We can talk about that later.
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Russell Gibson
But I think as the current roster stands, the Thunder a better position moving forward than the Thunder are.
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Adz
For longevity.
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Russell Gibson
Sorry, the Nuggets are.
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Adz
there' willll be
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
the the the The Thunder are in a there and about position and have the draft stock coming to maintain that.
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Russell Gibson
future. Yeah.
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Adz
You're right. yeah You're very right.
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Russell Gibson
All right. I've got to tell you something though. I'm just having a bit of a moment. So I'm looking at Giannis. I'm going to do a direct comp to him because single MVP winner.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
No, sorry.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Giannis has won two MVPs, hasn't he?
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Adz
Two MVPs, yep.
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Russell Gibson
Two MVPs and one championship.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And so his current price is $5,675 for a silver PSA 10. So even though i think my stress has beaten up my stress, like my concern about SGA is that it's overpriced and it's all being baked into future stuff.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
But now that we're starting to see actual results coming, that still has like $4,000 up its sleeve for movement. If you're comparing it to somebody who's got a very similar resume, yes, I'm getting ahead of myself, obviously, but at the same time, i feel like this narrative in my head is actually slowly beginning to change now. So I'm gone from something that I'm a bit concerned about,
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Russell Gibson
It's almost sort of starting to see the potential for it. Actually, it's got a long way to go.
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Adz
I'm going to give you some relativity on the the PSA 10 because I'm looking up ah for our our viewers at home. I've looked up SGA and I've also got Yarnus.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
PSA 10 Silver, sorry.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
the The pop on the Yarnus is 87 and the pop, 691.
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Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah. What's the pop on the SGA, man? Oh, yeah. Right. Okay.
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Adz
So there's a little bit of a discrepancy.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um But you're right for that, it's it's five grand. i don't know what the, let's see what the BGS is. 9.5, that's still two and a half grand and that but that's pop 130. So there's not a lot of them.
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Adz
What's the silver full pop?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, so
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Adz
I'm just trying to it's hard to bring relative relativity to it.
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Russell Gibson
so actually maybe that's relatively similar in terms of price and comp then on a ratio.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah. So I look, yeah, you're right. but Maybe it's, maybe it's, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
All right. We have absolutely gone off the rails here, but that's what we do on this show. Really quickly, let's just skim through a couple of these things. This is from Twitter. This is actually from Collect Media.
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Russell Gibson
SGA gave all of his teammates a Rolex each. That's a beautiful, beautiful gift there. This is from the mighty Zach Lowe. Once a day or so, I remember the Thunder have Nicola Topic just waiting to play his first NBA minutes next season. Again, that just talks about the future viability of the Thunder.
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Russell Gibson
We got a comp here. This is from Card Ladder.
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Russell Gibson
Adam, I might put this to you, mate. I feel like you'll enjoy this one far more than me.
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Adz
Oh, I can see it. I've got it. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Anthony Edwards, black gold BGS 9.5 versus an SGA black gold BGS 9.5.
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Adz
Hit me.
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Russell Gibson
And they're virtually exactly the same price within two days of each other. ah Which would you prefer?
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Adz
I'm taking the Anthony Edwards.
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Russell Gibson
OK.
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Adz
I'm taking the Ant. my and There's two reasons. One is I do like Ant more than I like SGA. I think he's got he's going to have the more prolific career at the end.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
He beats anybody on the confidence scale. But secondly, he's got at least at least his rookie card's got a rookie shield on it.
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Russell Gibson
True.
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Adz
But yeah, no.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
um Yeah, it's it's interesting that you comped SGA to Giannis because I was going to comp him to another MVP winner in James Harden.
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Adz
For those that...
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Russell Gibson
I don't think...
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Adz
Well, Doris Burke did just to compare his his level of play to that of James Harden. So let's see if he chokes in the playoffs the same way James did.
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Adz
And they both played for the Thunder. What a coinkydink. Anyway.
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Russell Gibson
Look, we've seen the changing of the guard this year in the NBA. So if we talk about the last four teams that are left, the all young upcoming players, or you could say, you know, players getting very close to their prime.
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Adz
We have...
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Russell Gibson
Look, I think if I'm taking a card right now where everything is currently laid out as it stands, I think SGA is a safer bet.
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Adz
true yep
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Adz
ye
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Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying about Edwards moving forward, having the better career, but I'd also probably say too...
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Russell Gibson
I think there's a lot of bravado with this guy's game and I'm a little bit reluctant to sort of get sucked into all of that. But in saying that too, if you look at the Wolves' success the last couple of years, so if you sort of zoom out and go, okay, what's the normal trajectory that an NBA player or an NBA star takes?
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Russell Gibson
It's like they go to a bad team, they make that bad team better, they get to the playoffs, they advance through the playoffs.
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Adz
Yeah. a
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Russell Gibson
So last year the Wolves got to the Western Conference Finals. They're there again. Like there's kind of that fun narrative. And this is what Boston went through a couple of years ago. you know, they got to the Eastern Conference finals, then they made it to the championship and they won the championship.
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Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? Like sort of where I'm going with this, like maybe this is actually the Wolves year and they'll they'll bounce back and they'll get to the,
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
They'll learn from last year's. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Right. They'll get to the finals this year and then you know the year after that, they'll win the championship.
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Adz
and i
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Russell Gibson
I kind of like that fun narrative there. I actually think we've overlooked the Wolves a little bit in that sense too because they've had so much sort of roster turmoil with that sort of Karl-Anthony Towns, Rudy Gobert pairing, which was kind of super weird.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then they had the ownership takeover. And so you know i think we have overlooked them a little bit in some senses, but...
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Adz
True, true, true.
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Adz
wait we got well We can talk about who the the who won the trade scenario stuff that's being ta being um voiced around now. There's a lot of people that are arguing.
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Russell Gibson
Which trade? Sure.
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Adz
The Knicks, cat for Randall and DiVincenzo, there's a lot of talk now that maybe the Wolves did win the trade after after taking taking their first win at home against the the Thunder.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, look, the and NBA is such an interesting, and we could think of, you know, heaps of examples.
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Adz
We can say they both won the trade, but yeah.
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Russell Gibson
But just like bear with me for two seconds. like So game one of the Pacers series, Kyle Hittingtown's actually played really well. but he He just played a fantastic game of basketball.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
And, you know, look, this is the why I don't gamble. Because it's like, if I was betting, live betting during that game, I would have put whatever I had, you know, a stupid amount of money on the Knicks to win.
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Adz
On New York.
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Russell Gibson
See, like, this is easy money, right?
00:16:35.88
Adz
Yeah. Well, I was disappointed. I thought I was going to have a ah miserable lunch break, not being able to watch any exciting basketball. Turned out to be one of the most exciting lunch breaks I've had in a long time.
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Russell Gibson
it's like, it's an instant classic. And you could watch that game five times and still find something new in it.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Like it was a great, great, great game of basketball.
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Adz
That patch was insane.
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Russell Gibson
Right.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Then Halliburton gets that lucky role. Okay. It's not lucky. That's a terrible thing to say.
00:16:57.71
Adz
The lucky bounce.
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Russell Gibson
well, they're professional athletes. so I don't like to call them lucky, but like um he gets a very fortunate bounce. Like let's call it that. And so that could be completely different if,
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Russell Gibson
they'd won that game one. Then you would actually be saying, well, Towns played you know really well.
00:17:13.67
Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
And so my, my other, like most recent, what if moment was that Kevin Durant shot where he had his foot on the three point line and they went on to lose that game.
00:17:22.90
Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Like to me, the NBA is like, it's virtually a game of centimeters, and which is for me, it's why it's so dynamic.
00:17:23.55
Adz
Well, that was that that could have been the Halliburton. Yeah, yeah,
00:17:30.16
Adz
That's brutal.
00:17:30.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:31.79
Adz
um While we were discussing this, I've done some Googling, say Googling, um some card letter research.
00:17:36.31
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:17:38.96
Adz
And i'm not going to look at the last year. I'm gonna go all time. But James Harden, 2009, Topps Chrome, rookie card, currently selling for $1,140.
00:17:50.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah, okay.
00:17:51.79
Adz
So maybe my comp on SGA isn't too far off. um
00:17:56.42
Russell Gibson
I just don't
00:17:56.75
Adz
That said, the pop on that is 63. But anyway. but anyway
00:17:59.49
Russell Gibson
I don't like that comp because I feel like Harden's a fantastic player and he's going to be in the Hall of Fame, but I think he's going to be what I would call a little bit of an empty numbers guy where he he was a scoring champion, but then he was not that not that great in the playoffs. Whereas for me, I feel like Shea is a little bit of the opposite of that. He's a good regular regular season player, but he plays really well and in the playoffs.
00:18:23.73
Russell Gibson
He doesn't suffer from that same step back that Harden has.
00:18:28.47
Adz
We'll say. Time will tell. Time will tell. He's very young. and It's very early in his career ah to who knows.
00:18:34.01
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:18:35.21
Adz
He could become a superstar. He could be the next Kobe. He could be the next Harden. We don't know yet.
00:18:40.82
Russell Gibson
Really quickly, we've got to get to a break. This is from Kent Sports 24 on Instagram. He's talking about the SGA extension, which he's now eligible for after he's won the MVP.
00:18:49.93
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:18:50.43
Russell Gibson
$65 million, 70, 75, 81.2 and million a year,
00:18:52.67
Adz
Sheesh.
00:18:57.10
Russell Gibson
thirty one thirty two so that's just absolutely bananas numbers isn't it
00:19:02.15
Adz
Yoikes. That is a lot of money.
00:19:05.94
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, sponsorship for this week. GameTime International have ended their sponsorship deal with us. So I'm just going to just shout out to them. Thank you so much.
00:19:15.76
Adz
Yeah, thank you.
00:19:16.37
Russell Gibson
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00:19:29.14
Russell Gibson
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00:19:47.91
Russell Gibson
They'll also take your cards, send them off for grading. You can pre-order trading cards.
00:19:51.42
Adz
Yes.
00:19:52.80
Russell Gibson
They've got gift cards for sale. Entertainment and TCG. Locana Pokemon One Piece Star Wars. Fanatics Authentic Memorabilia. certified dealer official partner also the official partner of the collect fest all right what do we got here for pre-order ah okay it's pretty much all out of stock but they had pokemon tcg scarlet and violet 10 destined rivals check lane blister 18 out of stock magic the gathering fantasy collector booster boxes out of stock pokemon tcg scarlet and violet destined rivals booster bundle
00:20:08.38
Adz
Yes.
00:20:29.96
Adz
They've sold out on all of their pre-orders. That's awesome.
00:20:32.69
Russell Gibson
It's crazy. Yeah. Pre-order Pokemon TCG s Scarlet and Violet 10 Destined Rivals Elite Trainer Box.
00:20:33.61
Adz
hey Yeah.
00:20:38.08
Russell Gibson
That was $150. That's all out of stock. So guys, congratulations on your ongoing booming business. I think that's the best way to put it.
00:20:45.94
Adz
Yeah, yeah. these two ah ah These guys are some of the best in the business. They've been around for a while and yeah, happy to have them on board for even longer.
00:20:50.35
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:20:54.29
Russell Gibson
They'll also be at the Hobby Hangout. So go down to the boys and tell them that Russell and Adam...
00:20:57.25
Adz
Yes.
00:21:01.89
Adz
said hi and spoke highly of you.
00:21:03.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and sent you down. Absolutely. yeah
00:21:14.73
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we are back. Adam, how are you doing?
00:21:17.77
Adz
um good I'm good, I'm good. um um I've calmed down after my my SGA rant.
00:21:24.74
Russell Gibson
You could have fired up a bit more.
00:21:26.23
Adz
I could have, I could have. We'd still be going if I'd done that.
00:21:29.62
Russell Gibson
It's not an SGA first take response, really. it was pretty.
00:21:32.76
Adz
I feel like I've just been, I've found my new target now that Luke is a Laker and it's SGA. He's on my radar. But he might win sooner rather than later.
00:21:41.58
Russell Gibson
i mean, you need you need someone to hate on, don't you?
00:21:44.72
Adz
Correct. I need someone to rag on. and And I'll tell you what, if they don't win the chip, SGA, I'm sorry, you're my boy. but but
00:21:52.35
Russell Gibson
All right. All-NBA, who is your biggest surprise addition to the All-NBA team? Giannis, SGA, Jokic, Donovan Mitchell or Jason Tatum?
00:22:02.73
Adz
I don't have any surprises to the top five. They're exactly who I thought would be first all first NBA all team.
00:22:09.46
Russell Gibson
I didn't pick Donovan Mitchell there at all.
00:22:11.86
Adz
Really?
00:22:12.86
Russell Gibson
No, not at all. I'm genuinely surprised by that.
00:22:16.16
Adz
i um hang on, I've got, oh I'll i actually have an old, because on a friend's podcast, we we did the predictions.
00:22:23.81
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:22:24.81
Adz
Podcast stuff. NBA team. had, i had Well, actually, no, I, I, I ambitiously put Austin Reeves in my all NBA team. Let's not go there.
00:22:38.03
Adz
Um, but yeah, everybody I'd picked, but ah Halliburton's the surprise for me.
00:22:44.86
Russell Gibson
okay
00:22:45.75
Adz
Um, I didn't expect Halliburton to, to, to make it. I was wrong.
00:22:50.16
Russell Gibson
yep
00:22:50.41
Adz
Um, but yeah, my two of my selections went in the top 15, but they were the next two and that was Schengen and triple J, but.
00:22:58.61
Russell Gibson
Okay, sure.
00:22:59.82
Adz
Yeah, pretty much everybody. I saw a lot of it coming.
00:23:03.99
Russell Gibson
Look, I thought maybe Edwards or Steph would be first team.
00:23:04.18
Adz
um
00:23:09.05
Adz
I thought Curry was third team, actually. But...
00:23:11.56
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.
00:23:14.02
Russell Gibson
So then second team was Jalen Bronson, Steph Curry, Edwards, LeBron James, and Evan Mobley.
00:23:19.43
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:20.09
Russell Gibson
My surprise on that was Evan Mobley. I really didn't see him getting picked for that.
00:23:23.30
Adz
Really? Yeah.
00:23:25.16
Russell Gibson
And I think we were talking about the team success and, you know, what you get for that. Like for me, but Those two being first and second team is just nothing more than them, you know, winning 60 games, which is fine.
00:23:37.21
Adz
Yep.
00:23:37.24
Russell Gibson
Like I don't have a massive problem with it, but at the same time, is Evan Mobley really an all NBA second player?
00:23:42.45
Adz
i Yeah.
00:23:44.87
Russell Gibson
Like I'm not so sure about that.
00:23:47.12
Adz
Is defensive player the year?
00:23:50.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But like, is that all NBA? Do you know what i mean?
00:23:53.70
Adz
Yeah, true.
00:23:54.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:54.64
Adz
True. Well, the Cavs didn't make the Eastern Conference Finals, so maybe maybe theyre maybe that's due to...
00:23:55.82
Russell Gibson
And,
00:24:03.66
Adz
They're not as good as they they've been touted to be.
00:24:06.62
Russell Gibson
i look, there's a part of me that really likes it because I like those type of players that Evan Mobley is, who's very cerebral, who does all the dirty work, and a lot of his things aren't going to show up on the stat sheet.
00:24:17.55
Adz
Agreed.
00:24:18.19
Russell Gibson
18 points a game, 9.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 55% from the field. Look, I actually don't think this is going to be peak Evan Mobley, so... And so like, yeah, okay, this is going to be my case in point.
00:24:29.59
Russell Gibson
So next year, if the Cavaliers drop off their wins a little bit and Mobley keeps getting better, which is what you would expect him to do. Like someone with his type of game, it's a skill and finesse game.
00:24:37.77
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:39.22
Russell Gibson
He's going to become more skillful as time goes on.
00:24:41.94
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:41.99
Russell Gibson
He's 23 years of age.
00:24:43.83
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:44.29
Russell Gibson
but then he doesn't get named to all NBA second team. Like, does that mean he didn't play as well and next year? Do you know what i mean? Like that's, that's what I don't like about this sort of naming.
00:24:50.96
Adz
It's a tough one, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:53.84
Russell Gibson
It's like, who is actually the the second team? like
00:24:58.28
Adz
But it's the it effectively, it's the top 15 players in the league.
00:24:58.30
Russell Gibson
So
00:25:05.54
Russell Gibson
yeah So that's going my next point. Is LeBron James a top 10 NBA player still at the moment? I,
00:25:12.04
Adz
i think so I think so. Actually, I had LeBron in my CMY.
00:25:15.75
Russell Gibson
Like, with all due respect, I don't believe he is.
00:25:19.16
Adz
Okay.
00:25:19.43
Russell Gibson
Because he he's just slowed down so much. so Like, it's a huge name. I get that. But at the same time...
00:25:25.21
Adz
But it wasn't like he was putting up 10 points a game and getting two rebounds.
00:25:28.25
Russell Gibson
No, know Definitely not.
00:25:28.81
Adz
of like the he was he was He got first-team MVP votes. He got first-place MVP votes.
00:25:39.26
Russell Gibson
Like, in my...
00:25:39.29
Adz
That's how good LeBron was this year.
00:25:41.39
Russell Gibson
but It might come down the way that the vote ballot is. But for example, for me, I would like to see Cade on the second team.
00:25:47.86
Adz
I had Cade in my second team, yeah.
00:25:47.94
Russell Gibson
And if I was going to move... Yeah. And if I was going to move somebody out, would probably be LeBron or maybe even Mobley. So then, you know, maybe that's actually what the problem is here is, okay, so then Edwards would be like at the four spot. And then what? Who's going to play the three? Jalen Brunson. Like, that doesn't work.
00:26:04.38
Adz
Yeah, the first team is ah is a legitimate, um you've got an actual making of a team, but the second and third team, I'd say the positions are a bit skewy.
00:26:04.95
Russell Gibson
So look.
00:26:10.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:13.41
Adz
I personally wouldn't, ah James Harden, I wouldn't have had in there. I would have had Shingun.
00:26:17.86
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:26:18.11
Adz
um And I think the Rockets deserve to to have Shingun in there.
00:26:22.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it, isn't it? like I think that's a really big one for me too. like If you're talking about rewarding people because of their team success, well, the Rockets did get done a little bit dirty there.
00:26:26.64
Adz
Hmm. Yep.
00:26:32.56
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:32.81
Russell Gibson
So maybe that's the way you look at it. You say, look, Carl Anthony Towns goes into the second team.
00:26:37.54
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:37.55
Russell Gibson
i would take LeBron out or I'd take Mobley out and that would give you room for Shen Goon to slide in there.
00:26:42.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:43.08
Russell Gibson
All right, so third team, Cade Cunningham, Halliburton, Harden, Kyle Anthony Towns, Jalen Williams. Who is your surprise addition or omission?
00:26:52.03
Adz
ah The omission, as I said, was Shingun, but the the addition was James Harden or Halliburton.
00:26:54.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:57.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:57.75
Adz
Halliburton, I think it was underrated. I think mid-season I hadn't really clicked, but Halliburton seems to just build. And tell you what, maybe it's a regular season award, but Halliburton is built for the playoffs.
00:27:10.69
Russell Gibson
So I think, I think with Halliburton is, you know, we talk about market and how that impacts people's hobby and dah, dah, dah, dah.
00:27:16.74
Adz
Indiana's little.
00:27:18.73
Russell Gibson
And I think this is the perfect example for Halliburton, right? So was talking to my wife today about the Pacers and she's like, who are the, who are the Pacers?
00:27:25.31
Adz
Yes.
00:27:28.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:28.97
Russell Gibson
So the the last four teams in the league, look, my wife's not an NBA buff, but i talk I bore her with conversation about basketball you know pretty much every day.
00:27:36.79
Adz
I do that.
00:27:37.10
Russell Gibson
So she knows like who the players are now and she knows who the teams are.
00:27:37.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:40.75
Russell Gibson
But I think case in point, she doesn't know who the paces are. And I think that directly comes back to market size.
00:27:47.17
Adz
Agreed.
00:27:47.69
Russell Gibson
And so I think, like for me, this is this is what a part of the NBA I kind of hate a little bit.
00:27:48.29
Adz
Agreed. Hmm.
00:27:53.45
Russell Gibson
even This actually for me is like, it's super annoying. So it's like people who are paid to watch the NBA every single day will still overlook the paces a little bit.
00:28:03.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:04.03
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's like, that's pretty annoying.
00:28:06.08
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:06.70
Russell Gibson
um All right. Jalen Williams, that is my absolute surprise. I'm genuinely, genuinely surprised that he got named.
00:28:11.47
Adz
Really?
00:28:14.43
Russell Gibson
And I think also too
00:28:16.98
Adz
Is that reward for effort or?
00:28:19.52
Russell Gibson
It's just, I think for me, this is just like reward for their performance, honestly. like and I'm not like...
00:28:24.52
Adz
i don't under, I still don't understand. There's enough guards in there. Why James Harden's there?
00:28:30.00
Russell Gibson
I'm not outraged by this. so I'm not going to be jumping up and down. It's like, you know, the dude shouldn't have been there, all that type of stuff. But at the same time, like let's just let's just look at the numbers like really quickly. Shen Goon versus Jalen Williams.
00:28:41.79
Russell Gibson
So Jalen Williams at the moment, 21.6 points, five rebounds, five assists, 48% from the field. Shen Goon, 19, 10, and five, basically.
00:28:51.69
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:28:52.92
Russell Gibson
Like, it's very, very comparable, isn't it?
00:28:53.07
Adz
They're comparable.
00:28:56.37
Russell Gibson
like You know, you could almost say... Shen Goon's got the better numbers. I think getting 10 rebounds a game, that is not an easy feat to do, honestly.
00:29:06.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:08.07
Adz
I just, yeah, I don't like it. I don't, yeah.
00:29:11.89
Russell Gibson
Hey, why don't we pick out one of these players and talk about their values? Because again, like this is really what we're here for is to talk hard value.
00:29:17.40
Adz
This is true, this is true.
00:29:18.99
Russell Gibson
Who do you want to talk about?
00:29:20.25
Adz
Um... Probably not Shingun because he's not in the teams.
00:29:24.93
Russell Gibson
Well, while you're deciding, I'll quickly do Cade Cunningham because that's who I want to just really quickly check in on.
00:29:28.72
Adz
Cadewatch?
00:29:29.58
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:29:29.79
Adz
Yeah, why not?
00:29:30.82
Russell Gibson
And then the other one is probably for me, Donovan Mitchell too. So it was really quickly.
00:29:36.55
Russell Gibson
all right. Cade's currently trading at 435. If you zoom into the last three months, he's up 5%. So he's in basically a holding pattern at the moment.
00:29:47.43
Russell Gibson
I think that's a very, very healthy spot for him to be. Everything's tracking in the right direction. If you're Cade Cunningham holder, hold. Keep holding.
00:29:56.92
Adz
Hold Yep.
00:29:57.56
Russell Gibson
Things are looking good for you. Donovan Mitchell currently trading at $205. Now, if you look at him for the last two years, he's basically exactly where he was. So minus 15%. If you zoom in a little bit to one year, he's up 8%.
00:30:15.66
Adz
yeah
00:30:15.87
Russell Gibson
If you zoom into six months, he's down minus 5%. So he's $200 card. I think he is as pretty much as unpopular as an old and NBA first team player can be, honestly.
00:30:29.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:30.35
Adz
Yeah, this is true. um
00:30:33.88
Russell Gibson
Who do talk about?
00:30:35.57
Adz
Tyrese Albert, of course.
00:30:37.27
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:30:38.10
Adz
Let's... some the well call Are we calling him...
00:30:40.33
Russell Gibson
What?
00:30:42.42
Adz
what was that I saw a clip on one of those reels and they're like, Jalen Brunson was in hospital and like you just got attacked by the New York Strangler.
00:30:56.39
Adz
ah Recovering. Oh...
00:31:00.73
Russell Gibson
I mean, yeah.
00:31:01.92
Adz
Yeah, and they they said we haven't seen anything this bad since Killer Miller, but...
00:31:11.04
Adz
Oh, goodness. It's...
00:31:13.05
Russell Gibson
Currently trading at 355. So more than Donovan Mitchell, less than Cade. Population is 433. Look, for me, this is the ultimate up and down asset.
00:31:25.41
Adz
Yeah. I mean, we talked we've talked about him recently.
00:31:26.04
Russell Gibson
I think you, yeah, we have, we have.
00:31:29.26
Adz
Where does he settle? Where does he settle?
00:31:31.24
Russell Gibson
We've been ahead of like the national media on Halliburton and also Naismith. We spoke about Naismith last week and he was like throwing fire yesterday.
00:31:36.24
Adz
Yeah, we did. We did.
00:31:38.94
Russell Gibson
so
00:31:39.79
Adz
he was He couldn't miss in game one.
00:31:43.14
Russell Gibson
Look, Halliburton has been up and down. I think for me, this is how you summarize him. 486, 238, 499, all the way down to he's now back up to three eighty like if you if you want to jump onto something that's volatile
00:31:55.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:31:59.22
Adz
This is your man.
00:31:59.57
Russell Gibson
well Walk this way. Yeah.
00:32:03.35
Adz
he's um He's been on a bit of a roller coaster. He plays in a smaller market. Look, if he played for a big team, that's not a 355, that's 655. You know what They're still in the chance.
00:32:15.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I think at the end of the day, there's a lot of distrust for the paces. People believe that the Lakers are going to win a championship and before the paces, even though you might make a very correct argument, the paces are in a better spot.
00:32:30.46
Russell Gibson
i think that's the, but that's the narrative though.
00:32:30.63
Adz
they're still in the they're still in the with the chance
00:32:34.75
Russell Gibson
I think that's what's deep seated into people's minds.
00:32:34.93
Adz
Yeah, of course. Yeah,
00:32:37.26
Russell Gibson
And so it is what it is.
00:32:37.97
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, true, true.
00:32:39.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:40.78
Adz
But yeah, Tyrese. Well done. Have some flowers.
00:32:45.42
Russell Gibson
were going to talk more about Halliburton in a second. Right now, though, we are going to a break. US SportsCards Australia, thank you so much for your ongoing and re-upped ah pledge to our show.
00:32:56.21
Adz
Support.
00:32:57.22
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Now, if you go onto Ross's site, he's got basically everything covered. Hobby boxes, sports memorabilia.
00:33:09.44
Russell Gibson
He's got some breaks listed on there. But the thing that Ross has been dedicating a large portion of, I think, of his life to, frankly, is his site that he's currently building called Check Out My Cards Australia.
00:33:22.22
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:33:22.51
Russell Gibson
Go to the Three Little Noodles, click on that, go to Check Out My Cards Australia, sell a login, check out my card submission. And also the policy is there for you to have a bit of a browse through. If you go to the submission page, anywhere that you write down, you can't comp this, you will then get free submission. It's normally $0.06 per card.
00:33:42.22
Russell Gibson
Ross is trying to get people's cards to come in. The current issue he's having is he is definitely getting cards coming in, but he's getting a lot more cards going out. So he needs to build up that inventory just to basically have more cards up onto the site.
00:33:54.76
Russell Gibson
So if you've got a whole bunch of cards that are sitting at home, collecting dust, post them over to Ross. He will do all of the backend work for you. There'll be cross posted bunch of whole different load of different platforms, including eBay,
00:34:10.42
Russell Gibson
All the rest of it. It's all done for you. He'll sell them for you. Put the money into your account. Done and dusted. ussportscardsaustralia.com.au Thank you so much for your ongoing support.
00:34:33.42
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back.
00:34:35.02
Adz
We are back. have i Have we completely destroyed the run sheet yet or are we on track?
00:34:39.28
Russell Gibson
We haven't destroyed it, but we're not going to get through everything today. that We're going at a glacial pace.
00:34:44.66
Adz
We're... We're plodding through it. Fair.
00:34:48.47
Russell Gibson
That's fine. That's how we roll.
00:34:49.23
Adz
Yep. Just taking our time.
00:34:52.55
Russell Gibson
So look, basically, I want to talk about Denver just for two seconds, because unfortunately they were eliminated. The question I've got for you is what happens next to their roster? What do you think they're going to do?
00:35:02.94
Adz
They need to... do something, they need to either move some pieces to to get better pieces, um but they need to or they need to sign some low-cost vets, something, or young or or talent, because they need to fill some some gaps, and the gaps are are becoming bigger.
00:35:11.40
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:35:19.25
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:35:25.15
Adz
Do you think Westbrook stays?
00:35:28.77
Russell Gibson
Look, i
00:35:29.86
Adz
I think Westbrook should stay.
00:35:32.15
Russell Gibson
I'm saying in the most respectful way possible. I don't like Westbrook as a championship player.
00:35:39.56
Adz
I think Nikola Jokic loves him as a teammate. So he's a good piece.
00:35:42.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I understand why people would love him. Like he comes to play every day. He puts his body through, you know, a large amount of stress.
00:35:48.79
Adz
ah Yep.
00:35:52.40
Russell Gibson
he He's the type of guy that would play injured. Like, you know, he's everything that you want.
00:35:55.05
Adz
He's not, but we need to, the starting point guard needs to be Jamal Murray, not Russell Westbrook.
00:36:03.47
Russell Gibson
I just think they need to do something to their roster. And I think they need to do something pretty drastic. So I think for me, the Peyton Watson experiment,
00:36:13.21
Adz
Go on.
00:36:13.42
Russell Gibson
i I think they need to move on from that.
00:36:15.67
Adz
Yep, I think I agree.
00:36:16.04
Russell Gibson
But they do have some some bright sparks there. like So, for example, I thought Julian Strother played really well in game it game four.
00:36:24.29
Adz
Four, I think.
00:36:24.40
Russell Gibson
He came off the bench and won that game for them.
00:36:26.73
Adz
Yep.
00:36:27.31
Russell Gibson
I think it's pretty obvious to me that he's an NBA scorer. It's just whether he can do enough of all the other things you know to earn that court time.
00:36:34.29
Adz
Mm.
00:36:37.83
Adz
Yep.
00:36:38.13
Russell Gibson
Christian Braun is someone else that we have to talk about.
00:36:41.51
Adz
They're going to extend him, aren't they?
00:36:43.12
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah. So this is from Instagram at Hooper.
00:36:46.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:47.29
Russell Gibson
His extension is reportedly expected to be worth $30 million dollars a year. And I think my problem with that is what's the other roster expense or the roster cost that it has. So do you then do you lose someone like Julian Strother? Do you have to get rid of Michael Porter Jr.?
00:37:04.07
Adz
Yeah, OK.
00:37:05.50
Russell Gibson
So ah that's kind of like where my head is at. And so like, well, particularly when you sort of look through the rest of the roster, they took a big reach on Zeke Nagy.
00:37:08.68
Adz
Mm.
00:37:13.52
Russell Gibson
I don't think that's really played out. i think the problem for me with Zeke Nagy is like, you're competing for minutes at the same position with the best player in the world.
00:37:18.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:21.65
Russell Gibson
And so it's like, why are you investing that much into that in the first place?
00:37:26.03
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:26.74
Russell Gibson
Look, I think Aaron Gordon is an amazing NBA player, but it's like, can you turn that into something better?
00:37:35.80
Adz
True.
00:37:36.55
Russell Gibson
I mean, he's only 29 years of age. Like, he's still got three more really good years, hasn't he?
00:37:41.26
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:41.34
Russell Gibson
And he's been good for them.
00:37:42.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:46.51
Russell Gibson
I don't know. Yeah, it's just tricky.
00:37:47.86
Adz
Murray needs to step up.
00:37:49.73
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. He underperformed the last two years, frankly.
00:37:51.66
Adz
He did, but but but there are a couple of Murray, bubble Murray games in that series with Denver and the Thunder where you thought, oh, wow, if bubble Murray shows up, Thunder are in trouble here.
00:37:52.68
Russell Gibson
He's been injured. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:02.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:03.52
Adz
So my question is, who's the piece that you move? Is it Michael Jr.? get of Aaron Gordon. think going to be in trouble.
00:38:11.17
Russell Gibson
I'm not sure. I actually think that they need to do something pretty dramatic because if they trade one or both of those guys, I'm totally fine with it. I think they should trade Peyton Watson too while they're at it. I really think that that experiment is over.
00:38:23.79
Adz
I think the core of Murray, Gordon and Jokic needs to stay together and they need and brawl and Brown needs to stay there.
00:38:24.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:30.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:31.82
Adz
um Yeah, I think i think the piece the the starting piece anyway that needs to be looked at is and Michael Porter Jr.
00:38:41.54
Russell Gibson
I think my concern with that would be is like, where do your points come from? Because the thing about Porter Jr.
00:38:45.85
Adz
No, no, but you can get a scorer though.
00:38:46.06
Russell Gibson
is like, but when he's on, he's like, he's really good.
00:38:47.47
Adz
Getting scored...
00:38:50.54
Russell Gibson
And I think that's probably why I'm also kind of like, well, are you sure that trading Porter is going to fix it?
00:38:50.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:57.92
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? It's like, because Aaron Gordon is good, but you know, he's not a 25 point a night guy anymore.
00:38:59.34
Adz
I think they can fabric.
00:39:04.61
Adz
But if you get if you get Porter Jr., you put some other pieces involved and you get a few pieces back, then you put your scoring, then you put your spread together so you're not running five guys out, the same five guys, and unintentionally running a Thibodeau offense because you haven't got a bench.
00:39:11.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:17.84
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:39:23.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's... Look, I think that's something they need to work out too because I think that the the previous general manager absolutely had an idea of you know giving these young players more time.
00:39:26.53
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:30.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:32.29
Russell Gibson
But I think that's the thing.
00:39:33.16
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:33.99
Russell Gibson
like Young players get...
00:39:34.01
Adz
The depth chart wasn't there.
00:39:35.64
Russell Gibson
They get so exposed in the playoffs. I think that's the thing about NBA basketball too. It's like if you are a defensive liability, like that's it.
00:39:41.13
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.
00:39:42.89
Russell Gibson
The offense will just go to you 20 straight possessions.
00:39:44.13
Adz
Mm. Yep.
00:39:46.08
Russell Gibson
It's as simple as that. So...
00:39:47.37
Adz
True.
00:39:48.38
Russell Gibson
ah The other news for the Denver Nuggets is that their head coach, who was the interim head coach, is now their permanent head coach. I could have said that a whole lot better.
00:39:54.64
Adz
Woo.
00:39:56.35
Russell Gibson
David Adleman has been re-signed. Look, I like this. I think sometimes you need to give young guys a go.
00:40:02.24
Adz
Yep.
00:40:02.28
Russell Gibson
i hope that he then stays there for five years because that's my thing about the Nuggets, what I really like them.
00:40:03.43
Adz
Let's see what happens, hey?
00:40:09.55
Russell Gibson
I think that
00:40:10.56
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
00:40:11.79
Russell Gibson
They had a coach that was there for a long time. and And I think sometimes in the NBA, they get rid of coaches too quickly. It's like, are you actually sure the coach is the problem? You know, it's like, anyway.
00:40:23.90
Russell Gibson
All right. Do we want to really quickly talk about Yo Kick? values before we move on. I think we have to just very, very quickly. Silver PSA 10 population 185 last sold for 3,599. If you bought this in the last six months, you are up 30%. If you bought this in the last 12 months, you're up 30%.
00:40:48.62
Russell Gibson
If you bought this in the last two years, it's actually down 4%. So basically we're back where we started two years ago. Interesting one.
00:40:57.30
Adz
I don't know. Jokic is ah is an it's always going to be an interesting one.
00:41:01.91
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts before we move on to the paces.
00:41:06.78
Adz
Yeah, let's hope the Nuggets haven't ever sort of um faded early.
00:41:13.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, me too. I hope the Nuggets come back and retool.
00:41:16.14
Adz
Oh, look, I just hope Jokic ends up in l LA, let's be fair.
00:41:24.09
Russell Gibson
I don't like this at all.
00:41:26.14
Adz
Don't you like it when they announce Luka and Jokic teaming up?
00:41:31.69
Russell Gibson
Look, as much as I hate the Lakers for stealing players constantly, that would actually be a really good one-two punch. Like, really good.
00:41:39.05
Adz
That would be amazing. Yeah.
00:41:40.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:40.70
Adz
And then they get Laurie Markkinen as well, just so it's a full European.
00:41:44.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:45.19
Adz
Yeah. Why not?
00:41:48.90
Russell Gibson
I love that how he said European and not all white front line, by the way, too. That was very PC of you.
00:41:54.22
Adz
Very correct politically correct of me.
00:41:54.25
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:41:56.58
Adz
Yes.
00:41:57.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty, this is from Lamime James. Collecting Pacers cards then.
00:42:07.70
Russell Gibson
Collecting Pacers cards now. So Halliburton, after hitting that amazing game winner, did the Reggie Miller choke celebration and then pointed directly at Reggie Miller, who was commentating the game.
00:42:23.16
Adz
This is his last series, isn't it, Reggie Miller? So this is great.
00:42:27.49
Russell Gibson
So where are you at with this? I didn't like this like one bit at all, frankly.
00:42:33.15
Adz
All right. So to give some context, and Halliburton did address this.
00:42:37.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:38.06
Adz
He thought he'd hit a three to win the game.
00:42:41.88
Russell Gibson
Which he did.
00:42:43.52
Adz
hit a two to tie the game when he did the choke.
00:42:47.92
Russell Gibson
um did he really? I thought he did that after he...
00:42:48.83
Adz
Yeah, so no, it was on the line and he was going around with the choke because he thought he was three millimeters away from being behind the line.
00:42:58.91
Russell Gibson
Did he do the choke thing twice?
00:43:01.01
Adz
So no so when he when when he hit the three, so stepped back, was had his foot on the line and it bounced at the back of the rim straight up and went in.
00:43:09.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:10.58
Adz
That tied the game and sent it to overtime.
00:43:12.42
Russell Gibson
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I forgot the timeline of that. Yep, correct.
00:43:16.07
Adz
And then they played overtime and won.
00:43:16.22
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:43:18.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:19.02
Adz
And then, which was funny because he just gave the ball to Carl Anthony Towns. It's like, there's.2. math like It actually takes.4 of a second to release a basketball, to shoot a basketball.
00:43:29.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:31.17
Adz
So he's like, here you But yeah, the choke was when he hit it to send it to overtime.
00:43:38.01
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:43:38.67
Adz
So he preemptively thought he'd won the game and he hadn't. He goes, there's no way I would have done that if I'd known it was a two.
00:43:47.03
Adz
But still, if it was a three to win the game, like it's the same. they did I was not going to watch the end of this game because with four minutes to go, they were up like 14 or 17 or something.
00:43:59.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:00.46
Adz
It was like two minutes to go. like, it's done.
00:44:04.57
Adz
These guys are up by 17 points. What's the point? And then I flicked it back on and went, what?
00:44:11.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I think you can watch the fourth quarter just on repeat. It's just an amazing piece of basketball.
00:44:17.35
Adz
Pretty crazy.
00:44:18.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:18.32
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:19.40
Russell Gibson
So I'm actually going to quote Phil Jackson on this. So he wrote this book called The Last Season, which I have a copy of. I read it probably more than I'd like to admit to you guys. Yeah. ah And he talks about a passage of play with the Sacramento Kings where Mike Bibby hits a huge shot and is celebrating in front of the Lakers bench.
00:44:34.34
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:36.22
Russell Gibson
And he's like, you're celebrating like it's June in May, but you're getting ahead of yourself like so much here, basically. I think that quote applies here so much. It's like, why are you celebrating like that?
00:44:51.58
Adz
Cause game one, he's just one on their floor.
00:44:57.22
Adz
so to So to paint the series picture now, Indiana now have a two zero lead going back to play in Indiana tomorrow.
00:45:06.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. I think that they should be feeling happy with themselves, but I think you can also say he might have over-celebrated just a fraction.
00:45:14.60
Adz
I agree. i agree.
00:45:15.21
Russell Gibson
And also, let's just...
00:45:15.98
Adz
shot As Kobe would say, job's not done.
00:45:16.82
Russell Gibson
Hang on. Correct. Job's not done. But let's also just rewind back, what, one or two weeks when his dad was out on the floor carrying on like an absolute pork chop?
00:45:26.67
Adz
That was a bit funny. Inappropriate, but a little bit funny.
00:45:29.43
Russell Gibson
But is the link there that his family...
00:45:31.62
Adz
like fuck Like father, like son.
00:45:34.14
Russell Gibson
Right. I think we have to thread this narrative.
00:45:36.55
Adz
Wow.
00:45:38.93
Russell Gibson
We have to, like, it's outrageous.
00:45:39.72
Adz
Yeah, it is That's fine.
00:45:40.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:40.83
Adz
That's fine. i Look, I i am i amm all for a small market team getting all big and happy about themselves, especially after the Knicks just did it to the Celtics.
00:45:56.18
Adz
like took game one and two and took the series out of their hands.
00:45:59.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:00.28
Adz
And now that it's been done to them in return. So the Knicks are cursed. Let's just be, let's, let's call it how it is. The Knicks are cursed.
00:46:06.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:08.07
Adz
They're not making the finals.
00:46:12.46
Russell Gibson
Look. I feel like I'm going to say the same thing I said ah week and two weeks ago about the Pacers. This is a very well-built NBA team.
00:46:20.65
Adz
And they were there last year.
00:46:21.13
Russell Gibson
and when the And when they are on, they are almost impossible to defend against because of Halliburton's IQ, the way he makes everyone better, the speed, the shooting, and the defensive versatility that this team can put on the floor.
00:46:31.57
Adz
Yeah. He makes everyone a threat.
00:46:34.56
Russell Gibson
like
00:46:35.18
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:35.23
Russell Gibson
and We are now seeing this on national TV. So I'm like, I've got nothing else to say. All right.
00:46:40.73
Adz
I like it.
00:46:41.16
Russell Gibson
Tops. Topps WWE cards. This is just a bit of a fun side note. Halliburton and Jalen Brunson did this like wrestling skit a while back.
00:46:52.23
Russell Gibson
They're now getting their own wrestling card. I think this is super cool. I think we need more of pop culture meshing with our sports universe.
00:47:01.55
Adz
Oh, I love this.
00:47:03.96
Russell Gibson
I think this is like a really cool thing. They're also doing it as a Topps Now card.
00:47:09.19
Adz
Nice. Well, this is one of the ideas that, yeah.
00:47:09.66
Russell Gibson
So,
00:47:12.13
Russell Gibson
Capturing the moment on it, I think this is great if they've got on-card autographs on it or they've got memorabilia built into the cards, you know, something like that.
00:47:19.41
Adz
It's a level of, yeah, yeah.
00:47:22.46
Russell Gibson
If they just print this stuff out and then it's got like a couple of sealed numbers cards or some different colors, I'm not all for this.
00:47:27.73
Adz
couple of little parallels. Yeah, boring.
00:47:29.51
Russell Gibson
But if you can get a Halliburton autograph on a WWE w card and you're, I'm not a WWE fan, but if you are, like that would be a really cool piece to your collection. I'm all for it.
00:47:39.84
Adz
like it so game game four because i'm guessing there's a chance this is a sweep is it okay to do the choke
00:47:39.84
Russell Gibson
Like this is a plus Yeah.
00:47:53.58
Russell Gibson
I mean, that's that's fine, but I think isn't the end game of a professional athlete to win a championship?
00:47:58.63
Adz
to to win the championship but getting but winning but they've won the conference
00:48:04.88
Russell Gibson
I just think celebrating like that in game one is... And also, too, and I'd actually completely like missed that, that he celebrated before the game even ended.
00:48:13.16
Adz
Yeah, no, no, no. So he didn't know. He's like, ah that was so wrong.
00:48:15.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:16.48
Adz
I shouldn't have done that unless I won the game.
00:48:16.77
Russell Gibson
i you know what? Yeah, I knew it, but at the same time, I completely forgot it. Yeah, you're right. that's it's It's actually more ridiculous, isn't it, really?
00:48:28.03
Adz
know what's ridiculous?
00:48:29.42
Russell Gibson
Anthony Edwards.
00:48:29.63
Adz
Right, where where no. Where is the stat? you know how many teams have been have lost? so Sorry, have won from being down by nine or more points with a minute to go?
00:48:41.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's like one in 900 games, something like that.
00:48:42.37
Adz
One team. One team.
00:48:44.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:45.22
Adz
That was Indiana in game one. They did the impossible.
00:48:47.42
Russell Gibson
They should have celebrated. No, no, I think they should have celebrated. I just think that that was like slightly OTT.
00:48:52.32
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:52.94
Russell Gibson
That's all I'm saying.
00:48:53.22
Adz
Yeah. I agree.
00:48:53.88
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:48:54.13
Adz
I just think i just that's how bad New York choked.
00:48:59.54
Adz
that No one loses from that position except New York.
00:49:04.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:05.15
Adz
Yeah. It's all right.
00:49:07.17
Russell Gibson
um Just moving on.
00:49:07.48
Adz
It'll come out again in in game four. Don't worry.
00:49:10.24
Russell Gibson
That's all good. Moving back to the Celtics series. This is actually just a check-in on Jason Tatum. So this is
00:49:15.60
Adz
ah Do we need do a welfare check on Jason Tatum or Celtics fans? Because Jason Tatum is not going to be doing a lot.
00:49:19.75
Russell Gibson
ah No, it's more just an update about Tatum because he had surgery literally the day after he did his injury, which is a little bit unusual for that injury.
00:49:24.21
Adz
Pricing?
00:49:28.42
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:29.85
Russell Gibson
But sports science these days is moving so quickly. So this is dated the 23rd, which is two days to days ago from recording. he's now gone into rehab. This is basically what the the article is saying.
00:49:43.50
Adz
Yeah, they're trying to get him back.
00:49:44.05
Russell Gibson
This update comes from Sam Cassell and it's all just optimism. They're basically just saying that he's going to come back looking better. He's going to be looking stronger, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah.
00:49:55.70
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, the fun thing is about the Celtics is like, what are they going look like next year? Is Jalen Brown going to have 12 months of being the man? Jason Tatum then comes back and they form a genuine one-two punch.
00:50:07.36
Russell Gibson
I think if you're being an optimist, I think that's where your thoughts have to lie.
00:50:11.17
Adz
Can I speak optimism?
00:50:13.15
Russell Gibson
Go.
00:50:16.20
Adz
All right, so the last two weeks, Jason Tatum is down 11.4%. In the month, Tatum down 25, almost 25%.
00:50:20.02
Russell Gibson
I am not surprised at all. Not surprised.
00:50:21.78
Adz
He's down to 620. So yeah, last May 22nd, 620 Stable.
00:50:25.35
Russell Gibson
That is very surprising for me. Yeah.
00:50:27.20
Adz
he's down to six twenty
00:50:29.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:30.42
Adz
so yeah with a lot yeah last soul may twenty second six hundred and twenty us
00:50:37.09
Russell Gibson
I feel as though we have been very not up or down on Tatum. I think we've just been kind of like, we think he's undervalued.
00:50:44.58
Adz
stable
00:50:45.73
Russell Gibson
He's very stable.
00:50:45.99
Adz
Yep. Agreed.
00:50:47.68
Russell Gibson
If you want to buy into something that's not going to go up or down very much, you know, Tatum's sort of your guy.
00:50:52.05
Adz
Agreed.
00:50:52.93
Russell Gibson
I think though, in the next 12 months, you should not expect this card to go up. What you should expect to see is a steep, no, not steep, a steady downhill. Yeah.
00:51:02.91
Adz
like I agree again. Yeah, for sure.
00:51:06.25
Russell Gibson
And now that we're having this conversation, I think we have to then check in with Wemby because he's the other guy who is the steady downhill who is who has not experienced a massive dip that we were expecting.
00:51:13.76
Adz
Yes.
00:51:18.79
Russell Gibson
He's down 2.5% in the last three months.
00:51:23.46
Adz
Really?
00:51:23.83
Russell Gibson
Like that to me is goddamn fascinating. 6%.
00:51:27.36
Adz
But that is young.
00:51:27.50
Russell Gibson
six percent
00:51:28.35
Adz
He's young. He's got – it's a blood clot. We'll see what happens. If he gets out, he just wins multiple defensive player the year and a couple of MVPs and the Spurs win a title.
00:51:37.87
Russell Gibson
But, okay, this to me is like Zion 2.0 because it's like people just put money into these big cards because it's like the next big thing, right? So then when they get injured, people normally dump them.
00:51:50.33
Russell Gibson
But we're not seeing that. We are literally not seeing the the dump out of this pump, I suppose is the right word, isn't it?
00:51:57.61
Adz
The pump out of the dump.
00:52:00.23
Russell Gibson
We're not seeing the dump.
00:52:02.89
Adz
We aren't. Actually, over the last month, he's up 4.6%. over
00:52:08.04
Russell Gibson
That is...
00:52:08.80
Adz
Over the last two weeks, he's up 10%. um Last sold, 6.91.
00:52:15.29
Russell Gibson
It's crazy.
00:52:16.26
Adz
Yeah, he's been pretty steady, ah like down 2% over three months. Overall, in the last six months, he's down 6%. It's bizarre. it's bizarre
00:52:27.45
Russell Gibson
Because I was waiting for some 20-25% decrease to have a bit of a sneaky peek, but yeah, not happening.
00:52:27.68
Adz
Okay.
00:52:34.51
Adz
Yep.
00:52:35.62
Russell Gibson
All right. let us go to our last advertisement of today's show because we are nearly at the end of today's show. This is for the Hobby Hangout XL.
00:52:47.24
Russell Gibson
And we're going to talk about us because we are going to be on stage doing some panelling.
00:52:50.62
Adz
We're going to... We're there. We are.
00:52:56.25
Russell Gibson
Royal Exhibition Buildings, Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025. So if you're listening to this on release day, it's basically this coming weekend.
00:53:06.02
Adz
It's coming. There's only a few tickets left. If you haven't got tickets and you're in Melbourne, get your tickets. There's less than 500 tickets to the show left and they are selling.
00:53:12.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:14.61
Adz
So, yeah.
00:53:15.32
Russell Gibson
I think I saw an updated number sheet of that. It's down to like 350. Yep.
00:53:20.12
Adz
Okay. Yeah, get in. Quickly, make sure you don't miss out in your ticket.
00:53:25.98
Russell Gibson
We are going to do a little bit of bragging at the moment. We are going to be on stage from 1130 to 1230.
00:53:31.84
Adz
Yes. Yes.
00:53:32.84
Russell Gibson
We're going to be doing the A to Z of card grading.
00:53:35.93
Adz
Yep.
00:53:36.54
Russell Gibson
Other panelists are to be confirmed. However, we do have Ray confirmed.
00:53:44.33
Adz
Yep.
00:53:46.08
Russell Gibson
Then at 3 to 3.30, we'll be back on the stage doing a collective spotlight, talking all things hobby. Again, panelists to be confirmed.
00:53:53.39
Adz
Yep.
00:53:55.64
Russell Gibson
In between us being on the stage, 1 to 2.30 is going to be What Not. And then whatnot will be back on stage at 3.45 to 5.
00:54:02.69
Adz
They're doing some live breaks, aren't they? Yeah.
00:54:04.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:04.68
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:04.80
Russell Gibson
So they're going to be up there for a very big chunk of the day, but we are going to be up there for the second biggest chunk of the day and also the paneling.
00:54:09.69
Adz
The panels. Yeah.
00:54:12.62
Russell Gibson
So yeah.
00:54:13.20
Adz
Yeah. Come on, check us out. And in between that, ah like we will be at the Hobby Hangout. We will have we'll be doing interviews and and saying hello to people. And yeah, it should be a fun day.
00:54:24.08
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:54:25.44
Adz
It's going be exciting.
00:54:25.87
Russell Gibson
We can't wait.
00:54:27.87
Adz
And it's extra large, which means it's extra stuff to do.
00:54:31.30
Russell Gibson
Yep. Trade zones, innovations, special features for people to do. There's a photo booth. We should get our photo taken, Ed.
00:54:39.00
Adz
is it Yeah, there's a photo booth. There's also, for those that play card games, believe there's Magic the Gathering drafts being held by plenty of games.
00:54:46.12
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
00:54:47.39
Adz
there's there's There's Pokemon zones, there's sports zones, everything. So get along. We've got some big guests coming. It's going to whatnot. ah Golden are going to be there. It's it's exciting.
00:54:59.22
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Yep. Alrighty, this next question is from Jamie. Excuse my pronunciation again. i hope I got it right last week, Jamie Persevsky.
00:55:11.83
Russell Gibson
And this is really a follow-up question to our sort of ongoing chat that we've been um having.
00:55:22.49
Russell Gibson
Would like to hear who you guys think is the next up and coming as we've seen SGA and Edwards take off. Also, who you guys are buying in terms of rookies.
00:55:34.38
Russell Gibson
And the big question is, who do we buy into next? Who will take off and be the next SGA? Adam, who is piquing your interest as the next to buy person?
00:55:46.38
Adz
Hmm.
00:55:51.44
Adz
It's a watch this space for me at the moment. Like Cade was my guy.
00:55:53.77
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:55:54.95
Adz
Cade was my guy.
00:55:56.19
Russell Gibson
there's no one that's like screaming out to you at the moment to like,
00:55:59.80
Adz
To jump on board from ah from a draft class? Not really. But it's one of those it's one of those things where you see a player take that step. Yeah.
00:56:09.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:11.03
Adz
But look at the top end of the draft. Look at look at people taking that step from star to superstar. Maybe Paolo. don't know if Bancero is the the next one to take the leap.
00:56:22.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:22.92
Adz
But he's the number one pick that that has been going well but was injured. So he's a bit out of the spotlight this year.
00:56:29.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:29.88
Adz
Cade also went through a phase like that where he's out of the spotlight because of injuries. So maybe, just maybe, um he's worth a bit of ah a look-see.
00:56:37.14
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:56:40.83
Russell Gibson
So I actually had time to think about this and I threaded in something later on to the show, which I'm now going to actually bring up the run sheet.
00:56:44.89
Adz
Boom.
00:56:49.14
Russell Gibson
This is from rip and clip underscore collectibles at Instagram. And this is a post that they put up this week. High-end cards will become alternative assets. Fractional investing is just the beginning. In 10 to 20 years, Grail's like LeBron Exquisite RPA, Steph Gold Prism, Wemby One of Ones, and Caitlin Clark Golds will be treated like fine art or real estate.
00:57:12.81
Russell Gibson
All right, so i don't agree with everything that was just said there, but I will put my little spin onto that. I think any
00:57:21.00
Adz
Okay.
00:57:24.25
Russell Gibson
um
00:57:27.75
Russell Gibson
Any LeBron James rookie card is collectible. And I think you should be putting those away for the long term.
00:57:36.08
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:57:36.16
Russell Gibson
Any numbered or prism LeBron rookie card or chrome is the correct terminology. That's what my brain was like was losing.
00:57:44.92
Adz
yay Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:47.24
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Steph gold prisms also add in...
00:57:50.16
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:57:51.83
Russell Gibson
all of the Chrome rookie cards from Steph Curry, all of his numbered stuff and on-card autographs. His ultra modern autographs, I'm a little bit not too sure about just because of how many he's signed, but like, let's just keep it really simple at the moment in terms of his rookie stuff.
00:58:07.99
Russell Gibson
Wempy, one of ones, I completely disagree with that so wholeheartedly just because we it's such a speculative asset as we're currently standing.
00:58:08.03
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:16.11
Russell Gibson
So let's just leave that, in my opinion, out.
00:58:17.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:19.02
Russell Gibson
Caitlin Clark Golds. So I think that's a really interesting one because I think, and I'll thread in the next thing we're going to talk about further down the sheet. is that Caitlin Clark is selling for so much at the moment and she's ah attracting so much extra attention and also bringing so much money into the WNBA. It's almost like there's an argument to be made that she's one of the biggest athletes in the world at the moment, but...
00:58:43.58
Russell Gibson
It's almost like she's an underappreciated asset despite being that.
00:58:47.81
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.
00:58:48.01
Russell Gibson
And so, yeah, so her gold rookie card recently sold. There's the action in card shot for $63,000 PSA 9.
00:58:55.99
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:56.12
Russell Gibson
And then they did like a very, they basically with WNBA this year, they just went all in and printed it like a lot of it. So each rookie got two rookie cards and they got like a standing variation.
00:59:02.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:06.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:59:06.79
Adz
Okay.
00:59:07.07
Russell Gibson
And then that also sold, PSA 9, I think that is, that sold for $29,000. So I definitely agree with that.
00:59:13.18
Adz
Mm.
00:59:14.53
Russell Gibson
I think Caitlin Clark is like ah high-end long-term um hold.
00:59:19.28
Adz
Okay.
00:59:19.58
Russell Gibson
And so that's part of my answer. the second So that's for the high-end stuff.
00:59:23.91
Adz
Yep.
00:59:23.91
Russell Gibson
And i think I think you can't look past that.
00:59:26.78
Adz
No, no, no, Yep.
00:59:26.98
Russell Gibson
because Because just because something's already high now it doesn't mean it's not going to go higher in the future.
00:59:31.81
Adz
For sure.
00:59:32.16
Russell Gibson
But particularly with just like this, you know, very, you know, exclusive small group of people. So Steph, LeBron, Caitlin Clark, that's all good.
00:59:38.92
Adz
Yeah, you've got... and Yeah, for sure.
00:59:42.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So for me, it's Cade Cunningham. I really think that he's a very solid asset. And I think that he's already been through um a lot of distress, if you want to use that. You know, he was on a terrible team.
00:59:56.14
Russell Gibson
Despite that, his prices have held together pretty well. He had the injury history at the start of his very young NBA career.
01:00:04.17
Adz
yeah
01:00:04.17
Russell Gibson
And now despite that, everything's like coming, everything's just sort of coming into place. Like that Piston team is good. think they're going to get better. i think the card, hobby love is coming there.
01:00:14.23
Russell Gibson
And I think it's a little bit underground.
01:00:17.02
Adz
there's a There is some hobby love for Detroit. That's the thing.
01:00:20.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But I also think too, it's not like um every man and his dog is getting on Cade. I still think at the moment like, it's a little bit niche.
01:00:25.86
Adz
Fair.
01:00:27.74
Russell Gibson
So I still think there is some opportunity there. And then i think I think, you know, if we want to look at what we were talking about today earlier in the show, we were talking about all NBA teams.
01:00:30.67
Adz
Yeah, for sure. um
01:00:37.08
Russell Gibson
Like, actually, I think that's a really good place to start with.
01:00:39.73
Adz
o
01:00:40.26
Russell Gibson
What's the pocket of value currently if you're looking at the all NBA teams? Look, I think Evan Mobley is really tricky. Jalen Brunson's already spiked. Steph Curry, we just spoke about. You've already spoke about Edwards today. LeBron James, we just touched on.
01:00:53.14
Russell Gibson
So that then leaves you with James Harden. Tyrese Halliburton, Kyle Anthony Townsend, Jalen Williams. Now we've spoken about Jalen Williams a couple of times. This guy is guys actually, he's a really interesting prospect, right?
01:01:01.14
Adz
J. Will might be it, yeah.
01:01:04.72
Russell Gibson
There's not a lot of data out there on him also too. So it's kind of like you have to go out and do your own research into this guy to actually work it out. Look, I was probably surprised at what his comps were going for, but at the same time, now he's just been named to All-NBA.
01:01:19.76
Russell Gibson
We just talked about the Thunder maybe being like a a dynasty team
01:01:25.42
Russell Gibson
there's a very strong argument to say, you know, he's not going away. The other one that is a little bit interesting for me is, is all NBA is Carl Anthony Towns. Like, do we actually start to look at him as being just like such an underrated?
01:01:39.17
Adz
But down given his rookie season, his card's so old. like i don't I don't see... There's been no one collecting him. i think Jalen Williams is a good one. He's actually on card ladder.
01:01:50.49
Adz
Last sold is...
01:01:51.62
Russell Gibson
oh he's on card ladder now, is he?
01:01:53.95
Adz
Yep.
01:01:54.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool. Okay, so he wasn't even two weeks ago.
01:01:57.51
Adz
um So card ladder data, 2022 Prism, Jalen Williams.
01:02:03.88
Adz
Last sold, 185.50. Population, 650. population six hundred and fifty
01:02:06.31
Russell Gibson
yeah Okay. All right. So let's just hold that thought literally for two seconds. So Carlton Thitting Towns is trading currently at 250. Population on that's 167.
01:02:18.16
Russell Gibson
So where I'm going with this, and this is a little bit of a, like we've missed the boat now. In July 24, sold for $83. Wow.
01:02:26.58
Adz
So he's done his spike. hes is what you Yeah.
01:02:29.12
Russell Gibson
Well, what I'm saying is like, he was at the point, he was so low down.
01:02:31.81
Adz
No one, wanted it was just like, yeah.
01:02:31.96
Russell Gibson
It was like, it's just, okay. So this is, okay. Maybe he's gone up a little bit too much to sort of put that same sort of spin onto it.
01:02:39.62
Adz
True, true.
01:02:39.88
Russell Gibson
But at the same time too, actually, it's not that far away from Williams though, is it really?
01:02:45.70
Adz
Williams is, all right, so maybe Williams is the is the peak because he's actually only up 9% in the last 12 months.
01:02:52.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
01:02:52.30
Adz
He's been overshadowed by SGA. Maybe he he sees a spike.
01:03:00.23
Russell Gibson
I think there's enough room for two for two people.
01:03:02.67
Adz
In the spotlight, it yeah, if they win.
01:03:04.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:04.84
Adz
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. You can a second banana. MJ and Pippen.
01:03:12.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's it's tough.
01:03:13.14
Adz
LeBron and Kyrie. Kobe and Shaq.
01:03:16.06
Russell Gibson
It's really tricky, man.
01:03:20.51
Russell Gibson
All right.
01:03:20.87
Adz
KD, Westbrook and Harden.
01:03:26.09
Russell Gibson
um Should we do one more and then we'll go, hey?
01:03:28.65
Adz
um and We can do one more. how about we do a really quick one? Do we want to do, we'll do an MJ. you want to finish me with an MJ?
01:03:33.88
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah, it's always good to do an MJ of the week, isn't it?
01:03:37.16
Adz
Let's do an MJ of the week and then we we'll, clo do you want to just close it out from there?
01:03:39.22
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Sounds great.
01:03:42.65
Adz
Done. Sounds good.
01:03:43.42
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So we're going to talk about the 1997 Ultra Michael Jordan Courtmasters. I'm middling on this. I don't think this is like a... like we've We've talked about more aesthetically pleasing Jordans the last few weeks, to be honest with you.
01:04:01.29
Adz
I don't like it as a card.
01:04:03.57
Russell Gibson
The obvious thing here is the population.
01:04:06.96
Adz
hu
01:04:07.20
Russell Gibson
It's just 27.
01:04:10.67
Russell Gibson
i feel like to me this just looks like a bit cheap, if that makes sense.
01:04:14.48
Adz
Sorry, I'm trying to look at the other way the card.
01:04:15.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, i know I know what you're doing. So basically for people who are listening at home that can't see what Adam can see, it's got Jordan up the right way and there's also one upside down. So Ad's trying to...
01:04:25.01
Adz
It's one next to each other and they're up, they're top to the tail. I don't know.
01:04:28.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:28.89
Adz
He's dunking or he's diving, one or the other.
01:04:31.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:31.92
Adz
Well, looks like he's diving because he's upside down.
01:04:34.20
Russell Gibson
think it's rebounding.
01:04:34.40
Adz
it
01:04:35.12
Russell Gibson
All
01:04:35.58
Adz
Probably. It just looks weird.
01:04:38.77
Russell Gibson
right, so why don't you like this? Why do you think it's a bad buy?
01:04:41.16
Adz
it's ah It's a messy looking card. I don't like the aesthetic of the card.
01:04:45.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I agree. There's a lot going on, isn't there? It's got the parquetry of the floor. It's got the lines, the text, two Jordan pictures, not just one.
01:04:50.28
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:54.76
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:54.91
Russell Gibson
So why do you think this has spiked so hard then?
01:04:57.67
Adz
Um, just another one of those really rare inserts that that doesn't that doesn't gem very often.
01:05:02.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:05.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's the moral of the story for me too, is i don't think you need to look for cards that are particularly aesthetically pleasing.
01:05:07.67
Adz
Mm hmm.
01:05:11.22
Russell Gibson
You need to go for PSA 10, you need to go for low pop and it has to have, you know, Michael Jordan on it. And that's, you know, we did a checklist the other week for um doing prospect cards.
01:05:20.61
Adz
Yep.
01:05:22.13
Russell Gibson
Maybe we need another one for Jordan cards. Is it Michael Jordan? Yes. Is it PSA 10? Yes. Is the population less than 50? Yes. Buy as many of these as you can afford.
01:05:33.41
Adz
Yep.
01:05:33.43
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah.
01:05:34.41
Adz
Done. Done. Sold. Yeah. Invest, clear investment strategy. Please note this is not financial advice.
01:05:46.04
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam, for a wonderful show. Thank you to our listeners in the US, Canada, Germany, the Philippines, New Zealand, Australia.
01:05:55.58
Adz
All around the world. All around the world.
01:05:59.16
Russell Gibson
We appreciate you guys tuning in. it's
01:06:01.05
Adz
Yes.
01:06:01.42
Russell Gibson
it's We appreciate it It's great.
01:06:03.28
Adz
That's nice. And we'll see a lot of you. Hopefully, we'll see a lot of you at the Hobby Hangout next week.
01:06:08.76
Russell Gibson
Face to face.
01:06:11.02
Adz
um
01:06:11.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:06:11.97
Adz
See you next time.
01:06:13.41
Russell Gibson
Bye bye.