Episode 216 – Hobby Hangout Recap & Changing of the Guard

In this week’s episode:

🎟️ Hobby Hangout Recap – Zion charges, 1/1 Haliburton, and wild moments
 🏀 Haliburton snubbed for EC Finals MVP? We dig into the 1/1 and his Game One explosion
 🔥 Pacers and OKC in the Finals – is this the death of the superteam?
💸 Neither team in the luxury tax – are we seeing a new model for success?
⛹️‍♂️ Tom Thibodeau fired – will Metta World Peace coach the Knicks? Odds and theories
💥 Kabooms and Mosaic Update – USA vs World parallels
🧢 Luka: “Aidos Uchos?” – a listener’s spicy question
📺 Why is MJ returning to NBC?

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Transcript

00:00:11.21
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 216 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:27.00
Adz
Wow. what have we What have we got this week?

00:00:29.64
Russell Gibson
Not much at all, really. It's a bit of a dull, boring, empty sheet, really, isn't it?

00:00:34.23
Adz
there's There's nothing happening at all, is there? Anybody?

00:00:36.08
Russell Gibson
There's no allegations brought against players. There's no upsets in the Eastern Conference Finals or Game 1. There's no coaches being fired.

00:00:45.24
Adz
There's no random card shows. There's no, yeah, no, nothing.

00:00:47.57
Russell Gibson
No. There's no Hobby Hangout XL to talk about.

00:00:49.96
Adz
Nothing.

00:00:50.62
Russell Gibson
We might as well just end the feed right now, really.

00:00:50.69
Adz
I don't even know why we're we bothered recording this week. There's no news.

00:00:55.95
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:00:56.08
Adz
Oh, wait, that's not, that's that's not that no, the run sheets.

00:00:56.51
Russell Gibson
what's...

00:00:59.44
Adz
No, there's a little bit there. Maybe we should start with, God, a spinner wheel. There's a lot going on.

00:01:05.88
Russell Gibson
I think we should start with the ho hobby hangout. Let's, you know,

00:01:09.17
Adz
Let's recap what what I found to be an incredible, incredible weekend.

00:01:13.76
Russell Gibson
I was going to say, let's talk about ourselves, but it's not really about us, is it? It's about the the collecting hobby and the community in Melbourne.

00:01:17.52
Adz
It's the hobby.

00:01:20.55
Russell Gibson
And i think we should congratulate Andrew for putting on a fantastic show.

00:01:25.55
Adz
It was a massive show. It was a monster effort. And I tell you what, it impressed

00:01:29.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:32.96
Adz
it impressed It was definitely an increase from the the previous venue, which was the ah hobby hangout, and it wasn't given a designation of of size. But if this is what Excel looks like, let's stay with stick with Excel because that was that was incredible.

00:01:45.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:50.61
Russell Gibson
So what was your top five or top two or three positives?

00:01:55.79
Adz
but top

00:01:56.72
Russell Gibson
And then well then we'll talk some negatives and then,

00:01:56.86
Adz
Positives out of the weekend. Yeah. Oh, look, it was a positive for me was the space. It was it the the the walkways. It was easy to navigate for me.

00:02:08.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:08.96
Adz
It was, I felt like I could breathe when I walked away from vendors and walked to the next area.

00:02:14.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep.

00:02:15.74
Adz
It was so, it was so spacious. It was great. um

00:02:19.32
Russell Gibson
And I heard vendors saying the same thing too.

00:02:19.45
Adz
But it was, yeah.

00:02:20.88
Russell Gibson
They had more space than what they were anticipating. Yeah.

00:02:23.53
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Oh, the physical table size. There were some um very happy vendors there.

00:02:27.47
Russell Gibson
And I was looking at photos of a different hobby meet that was on the same weekend. It looked to me like the vendors were almost back to back, whereas they had had their own lane in between all the vendors too.

00:02:33.95
Adz
Sardines. Yep.

00:02:38.00
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:38.38
Russell Gibson
It's just like little things like that, that I ah think that they've definitely reflected on in the past and sought to improve it.

00:02:40.54
Adz
Yep.

00:02:44.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:45.35
Russell Gibson
So definitely the spacing was absolutely improved.

00:02:45.80
Adz
Yep.

00:02:48.17
Adz
On the flip side to that, with the with the spacing in the corridors to walk around and navigate the entire show, the the really positive thing was that I didn't really see any empty space at the tables.

00:02:59.24
Adz
There were so many people there that we were –

00:02:59.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

00:03:02.48
Adz
we will

00:03:02.88
Russell Gibson
It's a bit misleading because I think like when I was taking some photos, I actually felt like, oh I'm just taking pictures of empty rooms.

00:03:03.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:08.55
Russell Gibson
Like it didn't really capture it that well. You sort of needed to almost angle the camera towards the tables, not so much just taking pictures of the corridors.

00:03:15.47
Adz
We couldn't even see what was going on because there were just people, like as a wall of people around the tables, which is great.

00:03:18.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:21.78
Adz
thought it was fantastic. What else was there? A lot of variety. A lot of variety. We had yeah were the the AFL player players signing signing autographs and doing photos.

00:03:34.75
Adz
There was ah Magic the Gathering tournaments happening and like the drafts on demand, I think, some casual play.

00:03:34.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:03:42.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So that, for me, that part of it was the most aesthetically a pleasing part to look at because you had all these people just sitting at tables, either opening boxes or playing magic.

00:03:49.74
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:03:54.28
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:03:55.11
Russell Gibson
I don't know how to play magic. So whatever that they were doing, they were doing.

00:03:57.69
Adz
Well, they had the they had the tournament play for Magic the Gathering, but they also had like the the trade zone for the Pokemon people.

00:03:58.03
Russell Gibson
And yeah.

00:04:04.30
Adz
There was a trade zone for other air like for for other TCG and also for for trading cards.

00:04:04.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:09.62
Russell Gibson
But they just had tables also where people could just sit down and open boxes together.

00:04:09.78
Adz
like General, yep.

00:04:13.22
Russell Gibson
And i I don't know, that type of stuff for me is, I just really like to see people interacting on that level. So,

00:04:20.72
Adz
And it was it was in the right, but it was in the right vein. Like it was, yeah, there was a comfortable train trade zone.

00:04:23.83
Russell Gibson
yeah.

00:04:26.02
Adz
It wasn't a dark corner of the of the area. It was right out in the open and really, yeah.

00:04:29.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And that's something they've definitely not capitalized on in the past. So again, I think that to me is a massive improvement in that space.

00:04:36.16
Adz
And then obviously the other zone, which I have to admit i was a little bit of a favorite of mine, was the stage.

00:04:37.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:04:42.03
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:04:45.01
Adz
There was a stage, it was it was it was out, it there was seating there um and there was a ah banner that looks very similar to to to the screen ah to my to my left on the if you're on the YouTube with ah with our banner on it.

00:04:49.17
Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:05:00.09
Adz
That's right. um We got to host a panel and then we interviewed Eric from Whatnot and

00:05:04.89
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:05:09.24
Adz
eric from whatnot um

00:05:11.36
Russell Gibson
So I think, yeah, um let's talk about what not because we had two sessions planned and unfortunately the second guest either cancelled or wasn't available.

00:05:18.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:21.62
Adz
Wasn't available. Yeah.

00:05:23.28
Russell Gibson
Whatever happened, we don't know. and so And the point of the story is we literally walked around to tables begging for people. Not begging is not the right word, but at the very last minute,

00:05:31.75
Adz
i was going to say that's ah like trying to find ah an alternative guest.

00:05:36.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And also I think like, and being fair, I think sometimes people don't want to come up onto the stage.

00:05:36.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:42.36
Russell Gibson
They don't know what they're going to be asked. Are they going to be put on the spot? Are they, are we going to try and make them look silly or try and talk about something, you know, they i't want to talk about? Like I, I get it.

00:05:51.70
Adz
We're not clickbait content creators. We're we're not out.

00:05:54.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But I think if people don't know who you are and your brand and to be fair, whatnot had no idea who on earth we were.

00:05:57.80
Adz
True.

00:06:02.93
Adz
Well, they do now. Let's hope they weren't disappointed.

00:06:04.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:06.23
Adz
I

00:06:07.66
Russell Gibson
And look, he was really generous with his time. And I think that he answered his questions, you know, really thoughtfully and genuinely.

00:06:11.18
Adz
like agree.

00:06:15.83
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:06:16.91
Russell Gibson
And we did have a conversation before we went on stage, what he wanted to talk about and what he didn't want to talk about. And look, I will admit there was one thing i really wanted to ask him that he just point blank said, I won't talk about that.

00:06:30.49
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:30.56
Russell Gibson
And so we rephrased that question in a different way. So we still sort of addressed the issue at hand, but we didn't um address it.

00:06:37.11
Adz
But i think it's respecting your guests. Yeah.

00:06:39.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And so, you know, I think that was like, for me, i I really enjoyed that, you know, that part of the show.

00:06:41.96
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:44.91
Russell Gibson
And I think that probably leads us into the other part is our other guests that we had. So we had the lads from Unboxed come up.

00:06:51.85
Adz
That were awesome.

00:06:52.94
Russell Gibson
And again, they gave their time so generously to us. So they gave an hour of their time to come up and answer questions.

00:06:55.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:58.26
Russell Gibson
And this podcast hasn't been released yet, but I've edited it quite extensively this week. So I've really...

00:07:05.80
Adz
to get To get the live feed from the stage, yeah.

00:07:08.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So look, there's going to be a bit of ambient noise in the background there, but at the same time, I think the actual content is worth trying to polish up and trying to listen to because like some of the stuff that they said on the day, to be honest, I didn't really pick up on it.

00:07:17.17
Adz
Mm.

00:07:22.51
Russell Gibson
It was a little bit hard to hear exactly what they were saying and all the nuances of it, but there was a few things that they said in the podcast. I'm like, actually, that's really interesting. So I think, you know, guys, when that does come out, please, you know, give your time to the lads from Unboxed.

00:07:30.63
Adz
Mm.

00:07:35.35
Russell Gibson
And the other person obviously too is is Lane Pierce. And

00:07:37.98
Adz
ah he's he I will say it right now. Lane is one of the flagship and ambassadors of our hobby.

00:07:46.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think of our hobby in general, but very much as an Australian too. I think he's waving the Australian flag very proudly for us.

00:07:50.52
Adz
Yeah. Yep. Proud.

00:07:53.98
Russell Gibson
And and I'd probably also say too, as a friend of the podcast, that's now his third time on the pod.

00:07:54.37
Adz
Yep.

00:07:58.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:01.36
Russell Gibson
He's given out his time to us.

00:08:01.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:02.88
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know Lane, if you are listening to this, thank you so much for your time because ah we love talking to you and you know hearing your insights, which are very insightful to the hobby.

00:08:03.24
Adz
Yep.

00:08:07.43
Adz
Yep.

00:08:12.66
Russell Gibson
So it was just it was great.

00:08:13.39
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. i know

00:08:15.62
Russell Gibson
So I think we can...

00:08:16.81
Adz
Yeah. but It was, it well, obviously the stage wasn't just us. Um, whatnot. We're doing some live breaks on there. There was some, some content that was being made.

00:08:27.54
Adz
um yeah. And

00:08:30.71
Russell Gibson
So we can talk about that. And then I think we can then talk about to what Andrew has got in hopes for us in the next 12 months.

00:08:37.04
Adz
stuff, like stuff leading up hobby hangout wise. Yeah, for sure. Um,

00:08:40.02
Russell Gibson
We can drop the, I feel like we can drop this ad. I'm excited to talk about it. So,

00:08:44.26
Adz
Yeah, okay. Well, I'll drumroll. Let's let the listeners know.

00:08:47.57
Russell Gibson
but Wait a second.

00:08:48.71
Adz
Have you got a drumroll?

00:08:49.20
Russell Gibson
Wait. I do. Hang on.

00:08:56.33
Adz
All right. Well, thanks, everyone, for listening to our drumroll.

00:08:57.07
Russell Gibson
Right.

00:09:01.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:01.29
Adz
um We will be back at the Hobby Hangout in 12 months' time with, I think, a a bit larger scope, a bit more bit more time to prepare, I think, would be the the best way to...

00:09:05.62
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:09.76
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:14.55
Adz
to explain to the listeners where, we'

00:09:16.25
Russell Gibson
I think what Andrew said to us is you've got the stage for eight hours. You have 12 months to prepare, get to work.

00:09:23.32
Adz
Something along those lines.

00:09:23.43
Russell Gibson
That was my takeaway of the conversation.

00:09:24.40
Adz
That was that was pretty much, he goes, yeah, do what you like.

00:09:25.75
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:27.56
Adz
You've got 12 months to plan it. I'm keen to see what you guys can do, um what content creators you can work with, what we can do with a stage for the for the whole show.

00:09:29.71
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:09:38.58
Adz
So definitely keen to hear from listeners if there are any suggestions. I've i've put forward things like a que and ah collector's Q&A, a bit of live card versus card stuff.

00:09:50.89
Adz
Yeah. maybe some collabs with with other content creators, getting into other hobbies such as Pokemon and and other sports cards and things. So maybe a couple of different panels.

00:10:02.90
Adz
But yeah, love to hear some feedback.

00:10:03.01
Russell Gibson
I think for me, eight hours of content seems quite daunting. Do you remember that episode of the Simpsons when can't remember what like either the TV goes down and then Krusty works out, he can go onto the emergency broadcast and he's like, I've got a hundred percent of the ratings.

00:10:17.56
Russell Gibson
And he's just like on the air for 24 hours straight.

00:10:19.29
Adz
For everyone. See, this is going to bring out my idea of us doing a 24-hour stream again. can do that in lead-up as as a warm-up.

00:10:27.74
Russell Gibson
Oh, great.

00:10:28.78
Adz
yeah Yeah, I know how excited you were the first time I mentioned it. That's it.

00:10:32.63
Russell Gibson
ah can't wait. No.

00:10:33.51
Adz
For charity, we'll do it. We'll do a 24-hour stream. I don't reckon we'd be able to stay awake for that long, to be honest. Too old. But, yes, we're looking forward to that. And and also, um yeah we're we're really excited to be working with the the Hobby Hangout ah in in the future, yeah.

00:10:51.07
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:10:51.16
Adz
want to talk about the negative of the day?

00:10:53.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so look, I think I will read from a post on Sports Cards Addict Australia. I won't say the person's name. My hobby hanger rundown. Pokemon, that is all.

00:11:04.20
Russell Gibson
So i my takeaway from this is like, no matter what you do, people will bitch and moan. You just can't please everybody.

00:11:11.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:11.37
Russell Gibson
And I think particularly people in the hobby, you know, we just love a good whinge.

00:11:11.56
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:15.77
Russell Gibson
So look, there was definitely Pokemon there, but like that wasn't all that was there for me.

00:11:19.90
Adz
No, it wasn't. It was a...

00:11:20.97
Russell Gibson
So i I have no interest in Pokemon at all. Like i just walk past, if I see Pokemon on a table, I literally just like, I just keep walking, going to the next one. There was heaps of sports cards to look at.

00:11:31.63
Adz
Stacks.

00:11:32.33
Russell Gibson
In addition to sports cards, they had like little knickknack toys and they had key rings and they had card protection.

00:11:35.58
Adz
oh i I bought some Pokemon knickknacks.

00:11:41.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. What'd you get?

00:11:42.30
Adz
I got, well, I got these two, this little ball. They were doing the little Pokemon in the ball in the little environment. i got a little Pikachu one.

00:11:48.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I actually think they were doing a roaring trade because i saw i saw a lot

00:11:52.35
Adz
Awesome. They're local. they're they're melbourne They're Melbourne locals, yeah.

00:11:55.87
Russell Gibson
I saw a lot of people at that table and walking away with their products.

00:11:59.34
Adz
Alvaro got one as well from Fast Break when we we both saw them.

00:12:00.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, ah

00:12:03.81
Adz
i got I ended up getting three, so...

00:12:04.49
Russell Gibson
yeah. i I don't know what numbers they did, but I i bet you they did very, very well.

00:12:10.72
Adz
Yeah, they're they're local and they um actually have local contacts and stuff.

00:12:12.95
Russell Gibson
Good for them.

00:12:14.50
Adz
and They do custom orders. It was great. ah got like a

00:12:16.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:17.39
Adz
They also did like other characters. So I got a Pikachu in the ball, like in the little garden in the ball, which is a plastic ball, little figurine, great. Then there was a – I got a baby Yoda, little Grogu, in the little environment as well.

00:12:33.19
Adz
And I also got a – what's his name? le Stitch, the little Disney guy. in in a thing, not for me.

00:12:39.93
Russell Gibson
So you put you bought three?

00:12:41.07
Adz
three Three of them. Well, they're not for me. One of them's for me.

00:12:45.51
Russell Gibson
sure the Sure they're not, sir.

00:12:46.37
Adz
that the The Star Wars one is for me. The Pikachu and the Stitch are definitely not, so.

00:12:52.46
Russell Gibson
That's like the joke about the person who's buying the Switch 2 for their nephew, you know?

00:12:57.56
Adz
Oh, there's no hiding that. If I get a Switch too, it's for me.

00:13:03.55
Russell Gibson
um the The negatives, look... I actually feel like I missed a whole bunch of stalls because I couldn't navigate my way around.

00:13:10.47
Adz
I kept thinking, i yeah, I kept going to the same bits and going, and then I went to another bit and went, I haven't seen this bit yet.

00:13:11.68
Russell Gibson
So, ah

00:13:16.72
Russell Gibson
yeah. So, look, literally that's how big it was that you could get lost in this. book like I'm bad with directions anyway. I feel like I'm pretty sure I asked you for directions like multiple times that day. Yeah.

00:13:27.01
Adz
Yeah, I think there were twice where you're like, where's the stage?

00:13:29.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:29.83
Adz
I'm like, over there. Okay. Yeah.

00:13:31.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:31.48
Adz
but um

00:13:32.75
Russell Gibson
It's that big. But look, all jokes aside, actually think, you know, look, if you're going to a hobby show like that and you still got complaints, I'm like, is there actually any pleasing you?

00:13:43.72
Adz
i I was, um and I don't know if it's a negative, I just wasn't overwhelmed by Golden's presence, to be honest.

00:13:55.74
Adz
i found I found it underwhelming.

00:13:55.85
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.

00:13:57.94
Adz
fit For someone as big as Golden Auctions to be at a show like this, they seem more interested in obviously just taking the consignments rather than actually doing any any investigative work as to to what the hobby looks like in Australia.

00:14:14.60
Russell Gibson
So to answer that, actually, I can answer that specifically because I i spoke to both Whatnot and also Goldens for a reasonable amount of time.

00:14:20.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:23.04
Russell Gibson
The guy from Goldens is literally, he just flies from card show to card show doing consignments. That's it.

00:14:28.56
Adz
Yeah. That's all he does.

00:14:30.07
Russell Gibson
So to answer your question,

00:14:31.76
Adz
That's literally it.

00:14:32.82
Russell Gibson
That's it. Yeah. Whereas the guys from what not are actually trying to establish a footprint in Australia and they've flown over the team from New York to help the Australian guy set up.

00:14:44.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:44.90
Russell Gibson
So they're the ones who are doing like the deep diving and the digging.

00:14:45.06
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:47.90
Russell Gibson
And, and so for example, and they spoke about that on the podcast, he's like, we now are going to be having an Australian football cards category.

00:14:51.53
Adz
yeah

00:14:56.37
Russell Gibson
Cause they understand, they understand the Australian market and, you know, trying to get into that.

00:14:56.70
Adz
That's crazy. Yeah,

00:15:00.56
Russell Gibson
So yeah.

00:15:01.37
Adz
yeah. And I think that but that's that's the, um for me, someone building a business with the hobby in mind rather than just the the the numbers side of it.

00:15:13.67
Adz
and and And obviously, I mean, Golden Ox, they have their place, obviously, but That didn't impress me that just coming in for numbers. Show us your good stuff. That's all we care. Like we didn't want to talk to people. And that said, I think they went home with a couple of very cool consignments from what I saw.

00:15:32.14
Russell Gibson
I suspect for them that was a successful day at the office.

00:15:36.29
Adz
Yeah, I'll tell you what, if I if I had the money, the the the cash available, I would have made a very large purchase on that day.

00:15:37.14
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:44.33
Russell Gibson
Oh, what was the card that you were...

00:15:46.20
Adz
The set of cards.

00:15:48.95
Russell Gibson
The Nicola Yoki Kwan?

00:15:50.12
Adz
Yep. The Nicola Jokic revolution rainbow.

00:15:56.29
Russell Gibson
Rookie Rainbow, wasn't it? Yeah.

00:15:57.60
Adz
Rookie rainbow, yep.

00:15:59.10
Russell Gibson
Did it have the one of one in it?

00:16:00.41
Adz
Every variation. I wanted to know that. if there a pretty It'd have to, wouldn't it?

00:16:04.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:04.84
Adz
I don't know if it had a one-off one.

00:16:04.90
Russell Gibson
Otherwise...

00:16:06.78
Adz
I haven't got the checklist, but can you imagine that? Like, it's Jokic.

00:16:10.57
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:16:12.67
Adz
Yeah, i reckon I reckon that'll fetch a pretty penny when Golden shows that off, if they can sign it.

00:16:16.70
Russell Gibson
There was a couple of like really nice Steph autographs that I saw and there were some MJ autographs.

00:16:21.39
Adz
Yep.

00:16:21.63
Russell Gibson
I just, you know, I think this is one criticism that was probably floating around a little bit. was like some of the pricing there and then trying to negotiate with people. um And particularly, so I think ah one thing that was mentioned by more than one person was like, they bought the card in peak COVID and it's moved down.

00:16:32.13
Adz
I actually didn't have a problem negotiating with people.

00:16:43.70
Adz
Significantly.

00:16:44.41
Russell Gibson
30 or 40% and they don't want to go backwards by a couple hundred dollars or $500 or whatever.

00:16:45.93
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:50.04
Russell Gibson
So then they're like, I'm just going to hold tight.

00:16:50.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:16:52.53
Russell Gibson
So I think people offering comps and then that was sort of, you know, creating some sort of like, um I mean, for me on sort of a more, you might say humorous, but also a very much, much smaller scale.

00:16:57.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:04.32
Russell Gibson
I bought an Admiral Schofield.

00:17:06.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:06.58
Russell Gibson
And the seller literally said to me, i paid X amount of dollars for this. And if I sell it to you for like what you're asking for, I'm to backwards.

00:17:13.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:14.91
Russell Gibson
Like, but I'm like, who else is going to buy this card?

00:17:16.63
Adz
You're not going to make any money. Yeah. You actually, you found the only Admiral Schofield collector in Australia.

00:17:18.61
Russell Gibson
Like,

00:17:21.23
Russell Gibson
You find me another Admiral Schofield collector and then you know then we can have a bid off.

00:17:21.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:25.39
Russell Gibson
But until that time, here is my offer.

00:17:27.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:17:28.39
Russell Gibson
like And we did come to a deal. It was all fine. But I think it's the same sentiment, but it's obviously on a much smaller scale.

00:17:33.58
Adz
It's the mindset, right?

00:17:34.75
Russell Gibson
yeah um

00:17:34.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I guess i I wasn't getting any big cards, so yeah. Did you pick up make any did you pick up anything good at the Hobby Hangout?

00:17:41.95
Russell Gibson
Look, i I did. And I picked up a Giannis RPA, which...

00:17:49.41
Russell Gibson
I'm super weird about cards because i can spend, say,

00:17:55.96
Russell Gibson
I don't know, $50 feel terrible about it and ruminate and go like, why did I waste my money on that $50? And then other times I can spend, you know, what I spent on the Yarnus and feel totally cool about it.

00:18:06.81
Adz
who

00:18:08.30
Russell Gibson
So, you know, when you just sort of, you get a good deal and you feel happy and you're like, I'm pretty sure this is going to be trending in the right direction.

00:18:12.04
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:18:15.93
Russell Gibson
You know, he's down at the moment and, you know, I'm i'm totally fine with that.

00:18:16.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:20.73
Russell Gibson
And so I think also too, I sold a bunch of cards that,

00:18:21.77
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:25.63
Russell Gibson
I was kind of happy to move on from and I was hoping to buy something bigger. And then when I saw this opportunity, I was kind of like, look, this is this is pretty good.

00:18:32.55
Adz
Grab it.

00:18:33.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:34.23
Adz
Bull by the horns.

00:18:34.38
Russell Gibson
And it's kind of one of those things of like, I could have bought that or I could have bought a lower grade PSA, say nine or an eight silver rookie card.

00:18:44.62
Adz
Yes.

00:18:44.80
Russell Gibson
And it's like, well, what would you want for that same price? And I'm like, this came in at a BGS 9.5. Yeah. yeah It's a sticker autograph, but it's got that old school auto that he's got.

00:18:54.88
Russell Gibson
And yes, it's a patch. Like, and do you know what i mean?

00:18:56.43
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:57.00
Russell Gibson
It was just kind of like, I just, it was really interesting too, because like there was veteran patch autographs of him there that was far more expensive than the rookie patch autograph.

00:18:58.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:06.35
Russell Gibson
And I was like,

00:19:06.39
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:07.93
Russell Gibson
Is this just like one of those purchases where it's a bit cuckoo and, you know, it'll come good one day? Like, so anyway.

00:19:12.40
Adz
Maybe. It depends on the runs. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird.

00:19:15.20
Russell Gibson
Anyway, who knows?

00:19:16.55
Adz
I picked up a couple of interesting cards.

00:19:17.23
Russell Gibson
Anyway, I feel good about it. Yeah.

00:19:19.12
Adz
I thought it was i thought it was a good opportunity. um ah made a decision at the start of the day that if I see a raised a something that I can get but i off my list, I'll do it.

00:19:30.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19:32.63
Adz
So the first card I bought was, I think it was a PSA 6. Yeah, I think it was a PSA 6.

00:19:37.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay.

00:19:38.18
Adz
Larry Bird 1981 Fleer. So the reason I wanted that is because that's the first appearance on a solo card of Larry Bird.

00:19:48.46
Adz
I actually wanted the magic, but you don't see these cards every day at shows.

00:19:52.15
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:19:52.99
Adz
So yeah, it cost me like 80 bucks, but it was a Larry Bird, what I would call a Larry Bird rookie card.

00:19:55.63
Russell Gibson
okay

00:19:59.56
Adz
It's the first for single card appearance of Larry Bird, rather than that triple card that they all called the rookie card. I call it the rookies card, but whatever.

00:20:11.05
Russell Gibson
I think that the rookie's card is the real rookie.

00:20:15.44
Adz
i I disagree. I disagree because it's got multiple cut players on it. And it's pay PSA 6. Look, I'm happy with it and I want the magic that goes with it.

00:20:22.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm not trying to like, I don't think it's a bad purchase. I'm just saying like, I think, yeah,

00:20:27.42
Adz
Yeah. I just, I don't know. the the

00:20:30.56
Russell Gibson
it's Larry's first card.

00:20:30.58
Adz
the league lead The league leaders, yeah, I get it.

00:20:32.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:33.58
Adz
It's the first card, but it's the first card he's on, but it's not his first card.

00:20:37.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:40.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:40.98
Adz
Because it's his and magic and and Dr. J, isn't it?

00:20:46.57
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:20:46.67
Adz
Anyway, the other card I got was it was finally a Steph Curry rookie.

00:20:46.93
Russell Gibson
Anyway, look,

00:20:51.14
Adz
It wasn't the the the biggest one.

00:20:51.26
Russell Gibson
congrats.

00:20:52.73
Adz
It was the Davidson in in the Davidson. Well, actually, is it a Davidson uniform? No, it's a Warriors warm-up uniform, but it's a prestige.

00:20:58.96
Russell Gibson
Yup.

00:20:59.45
Adz
So it's not a Warriors uniform. It's a training uniform, but that's, yeah.

00:21:02.78
Russell Gibson
Yup.

00:21:04.29
Adz
So I was happy.

00:21:04.29
Russell Gibson
Good one, man. Congrats.

00:21:05.58
Adz
I was happy. um

00:21:07.65
Russell Gibson
I feel like that's, that's sort of a fractional card, just like my Giannis RPA, right?

00:21:12.20
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. But it was like, you know what?

00:21:14.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's not the big boy, but it's like something that you like. Yeah.

00:21:17.76
Adz
Well, I now have a Steph card that when I get another rookie card, I can upgrade to that one.

00:21:23.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

00:21:24.56
Adz
So I'm on the track, so to speak, right?

00:21:26.87
Russell Gibson
You're moving up. Yeah.

00:21:28.29
Adz
so to speak right

00:21:28.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. On the treadmill.

00:21:30.25
Adz
Yeah, yeah. So that was – that was – that were the two two highlights for me card-wise. I thought it was a good day. um I'm really looking forward to the next one.

00:21:38.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:38.82
Adz
I think the guys – Andrew did ah an amazing job putting it all together.

00:21:42.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he did.

00:21:42.93
Adz
It's good to see everybody. We spoke – we saw Cherry. We saw we saw our our sponsor, Fastbreak. We saw Lane in the Hobby Australia.

00:21:53.03
Russell Gibson
We saw Shaq Fu, Card Fever.

00:21:54.56
Adz
Shaq Fu. We saw Matt Yuga. Card Fever.

00:21:57.49
Russell Gibson
Yep. Peter Georgie. Yep.

00:21:59.96
Adz
Yes, we saw the boys from Double Coverage. We we we saw a lot of people.

00:22:04.43
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:22:04.55
Adz
i met I met, I think it was four or five different listeners, which was which was lovely. Good to like just randomly running into people that that listen to the show.

00:22:16.28
Adz
It was fantastic. It was a really good day and yeah, heaps of fun. Cannot wait to the next one.

00:22:21.86
Russell Gibson
You sound pumped, Adam. That's all I can say about this.

00:22:23.42
Adz
I'm excited. I'm excited. It's good to see the hobby alive and people having a good time at a show.

00:22:28.99
Russell Gibson
Oh, the hobby is very much alive. And I think we've spoken about this before of like, as many people say the hobby is dead, then you go to a card show and it's sold out and people are heaving all over each other, you know?

00:22:36.72
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:22:39.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:39.70
Adz
Yep.

00:22:40.09
Russell Gibson
Hey, um I think what we should do is we should put up a post for the listeners and they can post what was good, what was bad.

00:22:45.68
Adz
Yeah, hell yeah.

00:22:46.42
Russell Gibson
what pickups they did. And then we can sort of get people's feedback on that. And then we should go for a break because we are well and truly over time.

00:22:49.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:54.88
Adz
Of course.

00:22:57.07
Russell Gibson
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00:23:14.55
Russell Gibson
Let's randomly click on Baseball. Alrighty. The lads have got on pre-order 2025 tops baseball series two hobby box was 175.

00:23:25.78
Russell Gibson
They've got the value boxes for 55 on hand. They've got 2024 select MLB hobby box for three 50. I feel like these prices are kind of like NBA before it spiked. Isn't it?

00:23:38.18
Russell Gibson
2025 tops heritage baseball mega for 95 heritage baseball value box for 50.

00:23:39.88
Adz
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:23:45.21
Russell Gibson
Okay. As always, the guys will sort you out and take care of you, give a great deal to you. Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com. Otherwise, go down to their shop.

00:23:58.01
Russell Gibson
Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays, 75 Chilip Street, Cheltenham, 3192. Thank you so much for the support, guys. We appreciate

00:24:13.54
Russell Gibson
righty, we are back.

00:24:14.83
Adz
We are. Yeah.

00:24:15.95
Russell Gibson
Right, we're going to do this in two minutes. I'll put the the clock on now. Zion is allegedly... He has been accused of rape and physical abuse charges. There's also some kidnapping slash locking people into rooms, all this type of stuff.

00:24:33.97
Adz
yeah

00:24:34.36
Russell Gibson
um So I think without going into all the details, you can go online and and find it. there's There's actually the court documents have been somehow leaked. I have no idea how on earth that happens. But I think what we should probably do is just talk about him in terms of his hobby value because Obviously he's taken of the biggest dips in, well, maybe not sports cards history ever, but he's got to be in the top 10.

00:24:56.26
Adz
mean

00:24:59.38
Adz
Well, it was hyped up beyond beyond anything and then was, yeah.

00:25:03.86
Russell Gibson
He was hyped up and he also was in the middle of the craziest time

00:25:07.10
Adz
Yeah. True. But hot it was one of those hype, hype, injured, injured, injured, unfortunate events. Yeah.

00:25:17.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And also to a team that had other unfortunate injuries too. So, all righty, let's go to his PSA 10 silver because that's what we do at this show.

00:25:23.33
Adz
It's a bit unfair.

00:25:28.57
Adz
Well, it's a good barometer, isn't it? Yeah,

00:25:31.72
Russell Gibson
There's usually a large amount of data points.

00:25:34.73
Adz
let's see.

00:25:35.02
Russell Gibson
All right. So he's currently trading at 200 for silver 10.

00:25:40.76
Russell Gibson
So in the last three months, he's down nearly 40%. Now all time, he's down 91% because at one point in time, he was trading at 6,300.

00:25:44.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:53.15
Russell Gibson
So

00:25:53.88
Adz
That's insane.

00:25:58.40
Russell Gibson
I mean, look, the last time that I was in this situation was Josh Giddy and I was like, get off this guy. This is just like a ah bad disease you don't want to catch. Stay away from it. And then Giddy's actually come back and done really well. so

00:26:13.02
Adz
I also don't think Giddy's in the same realm as the hype that went around Zion though. Like you look over the last two years, even two years ago, he was trading at 5,600.

00:26:20.29
Russell Gibson
But if you're...

00:26:25.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but if you're someone like me who literally doesn't own a single Zion card and you're asking yourself the question, do I buy in at 200? Like, it's actually, i mean, I mean, I feel like you're in for six to 12 months of pain.

00:26:36.27
Adz
It's a legitimate question, right? Like is it a good buying point now?

00:26:47.30
Adz
Yeah. I mean, anyone if anyone believes the um the the real or what is it the whatever the the social media, the memes that go out, um there was ah there was an NBA funny meme about Rob Polenka.

00:26:48.39
Russell Gibson
Honestly.

00:27:03.88
Adz
like And Zion Williams is like, is this really the only way I'm going get to the Lakers? It's like, sorry, man, we don't have enough money to trade for you. So we need to create a scandal so they'll trade you for cents on the dollar.

00:27:18.31
Adz
And then it's like Luca Dante's is like, yeah, they saw they told everybody I was fat so Nico would get rid of me.

00:27:26.73
Russell Gibson
Have you seen the photos of him?

00:27:28.38
Adz
Luca is looking slim now.

00:27:30.29
Russell Gibson
He looks so good, man. Like in shape.

00:27:32.70
Adz
Man on a mission.

00:27:33.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right.

00:27:35.62
Adz
Likes the beach. Yeah.

00:27:36.52
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts on Zion Williamson before we move on. Cause we did say we're going to keep this short and sweet.

00:27:41.34
Adz
Yeah, four minutes on. um Yeah, we i would I would not buy in at 200 US for Zion.

00:27:49.21
Russell Gibson
Okay. So what are you waiting for?

00:27:51.69
Adz
I'm not. I'm probably just not buying Zion.

00:27:53.22
Russell Gibson
Never.

00:27:53.87
Adz
Yeah, um I'm like, nah.

00:27:53.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:56.63
Adz
Can't trust it. It's a stay away from me.

00:27:59.62
Russell Gibson
I just find this guy so polarizing. Like, I know this is like a trash segment that we're doing.

00:28:02.07
Adz
Hmm.

00:28:04.70
Russell Gibson
i know it's almost like a trash story now, but this is... You know, some people just really interest you and intrigue you. Like, as much as I know this is...

00:28:10.69
Adz
The what next? Oh, I'm happy to grab popcorn out and watch what happens next.

00:28:13.19
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah, for me, Zion is like doom scrolling at two o'clock in the morning. I just can't... I just can't stop, you know? But it's like, I know this is bad, but there's also that part of me I'm like...

00:28:20.90
Adz
But yeah, and he'll end up on a team and do something. He'll do something amazing.

00:28:25.09
Russell Gibson
There's also...

00:28:26.38
Adz
He'll give people hope.

00:28:26.47
Russell Gibson
But also, too, is I'm just kind of like, is there goingnna is he going to get back to 2K at one point? Do you know what he's still that, like, still that guy.

00:28:34.14
Adz
I'm like, what does he need to do to get back to 500? Anyway, yeah.

00:28:36.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right, let's move on.

00:28:38.76
Adz
anyway yeah

00:28:40.27
Russell Gibson
The Indiana Pacers defeated the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals. i Did I enjoy that series or not? Look, I thought the basketball was actually pretty high quality.

00:28:52.24
Adz
hu

00:28:54.84
Russell Gibson
I'm not sure that the Knicks were outcoached other than being outplayed, if that makes sense. And I'm saying that very deliberately because Thibs got fired and we're going to talk about that in a second too.

00:29:01.85
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:06.64
Adz
Fair, fair.

00:29:09.25
Russell Gibson
i Look, why do I think the Knicks one sorry the knick's lost and the Pacers won in the end? It's

00:29:19.65
Adz
I have a thought.

00:29:19.91
Russell Gibson
really hard to... Sure, you you go, yeah.

00:29:22.23
Adz
I think the Indiana Pacers have been significantly underrated, and I will say I've been one of those people, for the majority of this season. and their east they their Their appearance last year in the Eastern Conference Finals was brushed off to luck, and this team is actually quite – it might not be the flashiest version of it, but it's quite well constructed.

00:29:37.71
Russell Gibson
An injury. Yeah.

00:29:46.57
Adz
understand.

00:29:47.76
Russell Gibson
Oh, they, they understand the NBA and how the NBA is played. And they also understand the, the analytics of what good shots are.

00:29:56.39
Adz
there was some there was some trash talk There was some trash talk after the series talking about that they're just the cheap version, the no-frills version of the Thunder.

00:29:58.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:08.83
Adz
And I have a differing opinion to that.

00:30:09.14
Russell Gibson
Like, I don't... I don't actually think that's offensive to say that.

00:30:12.12
Adz
but

00:30:13.71
Russell Gibson
I think that's actually quite a complimentary thing to say.

00:30:14.38
Adz
No, no, I think the Thunder have built to ah to a formula and they're did just a crappy version of it.

00:30:17.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:18.66
Adz
I'm like, well, actually, think they're a lot better than people give them credit for.

00:30:19.17
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:30:22.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:24.44
Adz
Yeah, so...

00:30:25.32
Russell Gibson
Look... To be honest with you, I love the Pacers and I feel like I've been on a pro Pacers thing for few months now. So I don't really feel like I'm jumping onto a bandwagon at this point.

00:30:33.57
Adz
For sure.

00:30:36.32
Russell Gibson
But my gut feeling was there was going to be two games where they would get 140 or 150 points and would win.

00:30:41.66
Adz
Yep.

00:30:43.27
Russell Gibson
And then probably at the end of the day, the Knicks would be the better team and grind them out. But like the part that I'm sort of, this is what I'm really stuck on. This is like, actually think Cat played well. I thought Brunson played pretty well.

00:30:55.97
Russell Gibson
And it's like, where where did the Knicks fall down? And, you know, why did the Pacers beat them?

00:30:59.79
Adz
up

00:31:00.32
Russell Gibson
And probably at the end of the day,

00:31:00.72
Adz
I'll tell you why the next the Knicks won games because they actually went to their bench.

00:31:06.22
Russell Gibson
Well, I was actually going to say, i wonder if like where they actually needed a little bit more output was like from OG. And they needed a bit more output from Bridges.

00:31:12.04
Adz
Maybe.

00:31:14.12
Russell Gibson
And I mean, Cat played well, but he could have played better. And I probably think maybe this is where they're going to have to get a little bit better on his life. Brunson needs to have the same amount of output that he has, but using less possession time. So what I mean by that is...

00:31:30.46
Russell Gibson
look, I don't know the stats on this. Let's just say he dribbles the ball 600 times a game. He needs to do the same amount of points, but with like 300 dribbles. Cause like, that was the thing that I really feel like maybe actually made them a bit unstuck is like, you know, where the ball is going every single time.

00:31:38.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:46.94
Russell Gibson
And it's quite easy to plan, you know, a defense around that.

00:31:47.77
Adz
True.

00:31:50.56
Russell Gibson
And maybe at the end of the day, that's what, it you know, it came down to is their predictability.

00:31:53.64
Adz
the The Nick...

00:31:55.25
Russell Gibson
And that's something that

00:31:55.45
Adz
The Knicks don't have a pinch hitter. They don't have that random X factor that just someone that steps up from the bench, someone that that so takes you by surprise and you have haven't got your guaranteed matchup for.

00:32:07.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:07.66
Adz
They lack, and and this is a ah Tom Thibodeau special, right? He uses five guys. He doesn't understand how to use a bench.

00:32:16.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:17.39
Adz
it's And it became their downfall, I think. And that said, i think there is some weird, I don't know, I'm not a spiritual person, so I don't know how it all works, but whatever sacrifices Tyrese Halliburton has made to the basketball of gods, they are listening.

00:32:21.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:39.27
Adz
Because that that that first one, the game one, when it bounced straight up and went in the ring, was the sign. That man, there are screenshots out there that says, screenshots of with a couple of minutes to go.

00:32:52.50
Adz
and it says, thanks Tyrese Halliburton. The Pacers won all of these games.

00:32:59.54
Russell Gibson
I mean, look, I do agree he's had some luck at the end of games.

00:33:06.43
Adz
That man, he's clutch.

00:33:08.33
Russell Gibson
But the irony of that is that just two years ago, we were criticizing him because he didn't have end of game play. So I think we need some...

00:33:15.26
Adz
It's all right. the listener but The listeners, the community was criticizing him less than a year ago because he was the most overrated player in the league.

00:33:22.25
Russell Gibson
Well, that was just like two months ago.

00:33:23.83
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:24.02
Russell Gibson
But I think like you need to like sort of have some context for that. And the other thing too is like the professional basketball players or how much luck goes into it. And one thing I hate about basketball a little bit is like because you make a shot at the start of the game or the end of the game, those are still two points that win you the game, right?

00:33:40.67
Adz
That step back two, because it was three mil away a centimeter away from being a three, the choke shot where that bounce straight up and went in.

00:33:40.77
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean?

00:33:50.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:50.81
Adz
Now that is a lucky shot. Lucky bounce, sorry.

00:33:55.78
Russell Gibson
Okay. Anyway.

00:33:58.59
Adz
You can hit back iron and it can just go out of bounds.

00:33:59.91
Russell Gibson
all right. Okay. One thing I actually, my gri like my gears are a bit grand on this one is he didn't win the Eastern Conference MVP. You cannot tell me.

00:34:09.99
Adz
But he only hit those he only hit those couple of shots.

00:34:10.11
Russell Gibson
the NBA.

00:34:12.81
Adz
Pascal Siakam did the lion's share of the work.

00:34:15.29
Russell Gibson
The NBA has a legit problem with the way they give awards out. Like this is like for me, Jason Tatum in the finals all over again. It's just opening up old wounds for me.

00:34:23.22
Adz
The media vote for it. you know i mean?

00:34:26.54
Russell Gibson
But generally,

00:34:26.88
Adz
Like there's no actual, here are the criteria, this is how it's measured. You get celebrities to vote on things. Of course you're going to get weird results.

00:34:36.59
Russell Gibson
ah still think they should be watching the games.

00:34:39.73
Adz
they should They should actually have some serious people that are watching the games and and vote on it that impact things, you know, like the All-Star break.

00:34:43.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:49.88
Russell Gibson
This is from three days ago from Golden's Ataris Halliburton black one of one rookie card, PSA 9, that sold for $119,000 USD. u s d All-time highest public sale for Ataris Halliburton card.

00:35:04.44
Russell Gibson
The other thing we should really quickly talk about is his spiking, exponentially spiking,

00:35:14.10
Russell Gibson
card value. So he's currently at 375.

00:35:15.65
Adz
All right.

00:35:16.78
Russell Gibson
The last three months, he's up 117%. he Even in these uppers, which he is definitely on the uppers, he's still got a little bit of up and down sort of happening there, which is very, if you look at the all-time value on Tyrese Halliburton, he's very much up and down.

00:35:34.58
Russell Gibson
Look, At one point, do you say that, do you mint somebody or do you crown somebody that they're now in the top 10 or they're in the top 20 of the NBA players and you know they're a safe purchase at 375? I think now he's made it to the finals.

00:35:50.77
Russell Gibson
That's it. I think you can buy this guy very confidently you're buying him at...

00:35:55.35
Adz
I don't think he's disappearing into nowhere land.

00:35:57.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I mean, this is a fun question, but maybe we can do this when come back from the break. And it's my thought piece around the changing of the NBA guard. So it's no more LeBron James and Steph Curry.

00:36:11.53
Russell Gibson
Like we're clearly got a new wave of, so how about we hold that thought.

00:36:13.37
Adz
starting to see that. Yeah, it's coming through.

00:36:16.34
Russell Gibson
We'll go to a break. We'll come back and we will, we'll talk a little bit of that.

00:36:18.72
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

00:36:20.02
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:36:22.36
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, guys. So at the moment, we just have two sponsors to support the show because unfortunately, GTI have dropped off and of course, Hobby Hung Out is finished. So that's all done and dusted. However, we do still have Fast Break Trading Cards and US Sports Cards Australia. So go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au.

00:36:40.72
Russell Gibson
There you will find a whole range of products available for your purchasing needs, sports breaks, hobby boxes, sports memorabilia. Ross also sells some toys, which is kind of good, particularly if you are in the summer periods and you're looking for a water pistol.

00:36:55.10
Adz
o oh

00:36:58.78
Russell Gibson
ah In terms of memorabilia, let's have a look at what he's got from memorabilia.

00:37:04.81
Russell Gibson
alrighty He has got a Steve Francis autographed jersey. He also has the official hockey pucks from Hit Parade at $152.

00:37:16.94
Russell Gibson
He's got a couple of those there. He's got a hockey jersey for $450.

00:37:18.24
Adz
Very nice.

00:37:20.32
Russell Gibson
So that's probably something worth mentioning. So Rascal is more interested in NHL than basketball. So a lot of the stuff up there is going to be NHL focused.

00:37:29.42
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:37:29.89
Russell Gibson
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00:37:44.19
Russell Gibson
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00:37:55.29
Russell Gibson
He's trying his hardest to get cards in because they're going out quicker than he can put them into his inventory. Thank you so much to Team US Sports Cards Australia.

00:38:10.27
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So we really quickly touched on Thibs being fired. We should probably also just mention to some sort of other subsidiary posts around that meta world piece would like to coach the Knicks.

00:38:17.65
Adz
Mmm.

00:38:20.79
Russell Gibson
That's from sports center or ESPN reported that. And the other one, I think we should really quickly talk about too. I found this on Twitter. From the dunk, sorry, the NBA Central, not Centel.

00:38:33.53
Russell Gibson
Nick's next coaching odds, Johnny Bryant at plus 240, Kenny Atkinson at plus 400, James Borrego at plus 950. That's my personal favorite, to be honest.

00:38:44.75
Russell Gibson
I think he's a gun of a coach.

00:38:45.46
Adz
Mmm.

00:38:46.73
Russell Gibson
Budenhauser at 950, Patrick Ewing at 950, Sam Cassell. That dude needs to be given a team, even if he flunks out. He's paid his dues. Frank Vogel at plus 1,100.

00:39:00.07
Russell Gibson
Chris Quinn at 1,400. So he was a Miami Heat assistant for a very, very long time.

00:39:03.17
Adz
Yep.

00:39:05.70
Russell Gibson
Jay Wright, Mark Jackson at plus 1,400. No way. Mike D'Antoni at plus 2,000.

00:39:10.01
Adz
Huh.

00:39:11.79
Russell Gibson
Where is Mike D'Antoni these days?

00:39:14.29
Adz
Not in the NBA, that's for sure.

00:39:16.13
Russell Gibson
Becky Hammond at plus 2,500. I'm assuming he's an assistant coach somewhere.

00:39:20.54
Adz
Maybe.

00:39:20.76
Russell Gibson
I'd like to see Becky Hammond.

00:39:23.16
Adz
I'd love to see Becky Hammond. I don't think it it'll happen, but...

00:39:28.31
Russell Gibson
Adrian Griffin at plus 2,800. Why is that guy? He was one of the best coaches in the league when he got fired from the Bucs.

00:39:33.59
Adz
it's it's It's a, nah, you can't. They're just putting names out to to to make it click-baity. I saw Derek Rose is goingnna is on the is on the block for it.

00:39:45.89
Russell Gibson
If Derek Rose gets employed by half of the before half the people in this list, that's an absolute outrage, honestly.

00:39:52.55
Adz
Sam Cassell's a good call for mine. I like it. and And you know what?

00:39:54.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:55.31
Adz
I always go back to the Mark Jackson well, but he's the man that built that Warriors team.

00:40:02.83
Russell Gibson
Alright, do you want to do the changing of the guard?

00:40:06.56
Adz
can do the the the changing of the guard.

00:40:08.92
Russell Gibson
Who is your top five young players in the league at the moment?

00:40:14.92
Russell Gibson
because actually naming five is quite difficult.

00:40:18.73
Adz
Top five.

00:40:19.93
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:40:21.17
Adz
Take some of the MVP race and sprinkle some other stuff. ah Nikola Jokic. 2015, 16, he's just 10 years.

00:40:29.46
Russell Gibson
Do you call him young?

00:40:33.89
Russell Gibson
All right, fine. Okay, that's fine. It's a little bit too old to me, but that's fine. That's fine. Yep.

00:40:37.87
Adz
10 years. ah

00:40:38.68
Russell Gibson
That's fine.

00:40:39.37
Adz
Jason Tatum.

00:40:40.37
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:40:41.09
Adz
We'll see him in a couple of years. He'll be a bit older after he gets back from his Achilles.

00:40:42.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I'm going to take him off my list for that reason.

00:40:44.21
Adz
yeah and take Take Tatum off.

00:40:45.99
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:40:46.89
Adz
Okay. So, Luka.

00:40:48.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:50.86
Adz
SGA.

00:40:51.85
Russell Gibson
Definitely SGA.

00:40:54.07
Adz
like ah Like, I think they're they they obvious. I'd say Anthony Edwards. Yeah.

00:41:02.80
Russell Gibson
Definitely, I've got Edwards on my list too. I've got Halliburton on my list now too.

00:41:07.96
Adz
i Yeah, I would squeeze Halliburton into there, to the fifth spot, yeah.

00:41:13.17
Russell Gibson
Like, for me, it's so ironic that he was called an overrated guy, but for me, he's overachieved more than anyone in this league this year.

00:41:14.48
Adz
So, yeah.

00:41:20.44
Adz
But you be

00:41:20.51
Russell Gibson
Taking that team to the finals is absolutely insane and unbelievable.

00:41:25.79
Adz
but but think about this, right? At the beginning of the season, we talked about the Olympic team experience.

00:41:33.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:34.63
Adz
Is anyone surprised that this guy did the class project, joked about doing the class project and just sitting back? Do you not you think he just went and took photos at the Olympics? He learnt from some of the best players in the world how to play high-level basketball.

00:41:47.53
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:41:51.34
Adz
He is a very, very – some of the numbers, I joked about it when – was it game five against the Knicks? Well, one of them, he put up, well, game four, he put up Magic Johnson level stats with zero turnovers.

00:42:06.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

00:42:09.27
Adz
It wasn't just a big triple-double. The guy didn't turn the ball over.

00:42:13.42
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:42:15.31
Adz
It was insane.

00:42:15.47
Russell Gibson
Nice nuts.

00:42:15.91
Adz
So he' he's, yeah, overrated's a bit funny, but sure.

00:42:18.50
Russell Gibson
All right. Honorable mentions, Cade Cunningham, Wemby, Evan Mobley.

00:42:23.23
Adz
Yep. Yep. And those names will rotate as Jokic gets older, as Luka gets older, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:25.76
Russell Gibson
Like,

00:42:32.37
Russell Gibson
I just think for me, I was still hanging on to hope that maybe the Warriors would make it or maybe the Heat would make the one more finals appearance, you know, something like that.

00:42:39.98
Adz
Yep.

00:42:40.37
Russell Gibson
And to see o OKC and also Pacers in the finals, like to me, this is, I had that real moment of like, wow, the NBA literally just changed in front of our house.

00:42:46.17
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:49.51
Russell Gibson
So that's kind of, I'm not sad about it.

00:42:50.39
Adz
can but We go back to the Warriors, right? But we go back to the Warriors.

00:42:53.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:53.99
Adz
they they As the – was it the seven seed? They beat the Rockets. if they if If Steph hadn't got injured, that series could have looked different.

00:43:07.66
Russell Gibson
Definitely.

00:43:08.70
Adz
So I don't know. i think there is still some – the vets are still there. be it a bit banged up a bit slower, they do need to be complemented by some of these young and up and coming players for sure.

00:43:22.58
Russell Gibson
But I think that's where my mind has now changed. It's like the worry is that, yeah, they're still going to be there. I'm using air quotes for people at home, but they're not going to be seriously contending anymore.

00:43:30.40
Adz
Sure.

00:43:34.21
Russell Gibson
Same as the Lakers. They're not contending anymore of LeBron. And so...

00:43:37.57
Adz
What about skinny Luca?

00:43:39.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe. If he's the number one and LeBron you know just does a little bit here, that's fine. But do you know what i'm trying to say? Even the Nuggets now, it's like, you know, have we actually, has the window closed on that?

00:43:45.99
Adz
i know I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah. I know. You can't do it with one or two big names. Yeah.

00:43:50.92
Russell Gibson
Has the windows closed on the Celtics? Like, that's a crazy thought. Can you imagine saying that three months ago?

00:43:56.93
Adz
yeah I think the thing that has become abundantly clear now...

00:44:02.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:03.17
Adz
is there is a formula in a depth chart that needs to be adhered to. You can't put your eggs in a big three basket, hope to get a couple of random vets off waivers after the trade deadline, and then run to the finals with your big three.

00:44:08.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:18.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:18.96
Adz
I think you need to build a solid team of role players that have very specific roles and do their job well.

00:44:29.39
Adz
So...

00:44:29.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Which is exactly what both of these teams that have made the finals have done. Right.

00:44:34.03
Adz
I think ah exactly exactly right.

00:44:34.08
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:44:35.79
Adz
um but I wouldn't i wouldn't ah wouldn't say it's it's the end of the era, but you're right.

00:44:37.71
Russell Gibson
So just really quickly,

00:44:42.13
Adz
I think there is a new guard coming.

00:44:44.41
Russell Gibson
What's here?

00:44:45.52
Adz
Yeah, we're we're living in it.

00:44:45.58
Russell Gibson
but For me, it's like, that's it.

00:44:46.80
Adz
We've been living in it, though.

00:44:48.45
Russell Gibson
It's done. Yeah. This is the news.

00:44:50.04
Adz
We started that year with ah with the Celtics because it was. It was the the Tatum and Brown show last NBA finals.

00:44:56.15
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:44:57.21
Adz
So, yeah.

00:45:00.25
Russell Gibson
So Luca is currently trading at a thousand even population is still 2000 plus on that Anthony Edwards.

00:45:04.10
Adz
Yep. Mm-hmm.

00:45:18.15
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, population is 2,100. He's trading at 800. That's actually quite interesting for me. So in the last three months, he's plus 15%. That is very, very interesting for me because I feel like they sort of bombed out in the playoffs, but he's still up.

00:45:33.46
Adz
did they they They made the Western and they ran the western Conference Finals, Ant. So I wouldn't call that bombing out.

00:45:38.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:40.53
Adz
I'd call that it wasn't the best of performances in the Western Conference Finals, but they made it through two rounds.

00:45:47.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, no, it's like, and I don't think they played badly, but for me, I didn't think Edwards, I thought they had more team success than what he had individual success. Let me put it to you that way.

00:45:56.99
Adz
Okay. Yeah, yeah,

00:45:58.64
Russell Gibson
I was expecting a little bit more from him in the Eastern Conference Finals, sorry, the Western Conference Finals. but Anyway, that's that's a side note.

00:46:03.50
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:46:04.99
Russell Gibson
All right, let's move on. Do we go for a break? I feel like we're...

00:46:09.62
Adz
Have we, no, no, 46.

00:46:09.84
Russell Gibson
was

00:46:12.63
Adz
We got a little bit of time. Like we don't have to. um you want to do one more thing and then go to a quick break and then we can, yeah.

00:46:19.82
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:46:20.79
Adz
Okay.

00:46:21.48
Russell Gibson
I'll just put in a footnote so we can edit this out.

00:46:23.77
Adz
Sure.

00:46:25.88
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's talk about Mosaic basketball then.

00:46:28.77
Adz
Yeah, let's do it. This is going to be exciting.

00:46:31.49
Russell Gibson
All right. This is a good one for me because I've always been a big fan of Mosaic. I just, I just like it. It's just one of those products for me. I just like the design.

00:46:40.02
Adz
The confession is also on our other timeless moment. If anyone hasn't listened to that already about the evolution of mosaic, just thought I'd plug us.

00:46:47.68
Russell Gibson
We literally did a whole episode dedicated to Mosaic.

00:46:50.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:51.66
Russell Gibson
And I think how I got into it and what it's become now is is two separate things, but I still enjoy it as a product. So think what we can probably discuss today is the continued evolution.

00:47:04.58
Russell Gibson
So it's it's changing again. So now they've got Logoman in it, which I don't really understand that because

00:47:08.74
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:13.78
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the not the appeal about Mosaic is it's just a card stock product.

00:47:16.79
Adz
Mm.

00:47:19.46
Russell Gibson
So now they've changed that up too and included that into it. So, you know, one thing that does happen when production companies lose their licensing is they can really pump up the remaining products because they've got all this memorabilia lying around that they can't use again.

00:47:23.06
Adz
Pretty cool.

00:47:34.45
Adz
I've got extra things to play with, yeah, for sure.

00:47:36.66
Russell Gibson
They've got more stickers. Like, so for example, the classic one for this or the easy one for me to remember is like Manu Ginobili. So clearly they've had all these stickers just sitting in a vault somewhere for the last however many years.

00:47:47.73
Russell Gibson
And like, okay, great.

00:47:48.05
Adz
release them all.

00:47:49.12
Russell Gibson
We need to get rid of these. You know, that's it now. So now, you know, Ginobili is into products.

00:47:51.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:52.28
Russell Gibson
So look, maybe this is what it is. They've got too many Logaman patches lying around in this and their stock. I don't know. Now they're, okay, great. We need to get them into Mosaic. So

00:48:02.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:02.86
Russell Gibson
Um, the other really big one to talk about too, is the color blast. So that's now been moved from spectra into mosaic. I, how do I feel about this?

00:48:15.32
Russell Gibson
I actually thought that spectra on its own was a good enough product. However, suspect what's happened is that Spectra is being cut because of the timeline.

00:48:26.77
Russell Gibson
Because remembering they've had to condense things into a very, very short window. So instead of losing the color blast, they've just moved it across into mosaic. And I would rather that than...

00:48:36.50
Adz
Yep.

00:48:39.18
Adz
Lose.

00:48:40.03
Russell Gibson
losing it. I mean, I'd rather see Spectra because obviously i think there is some value to be had in that. But at the same time, you know i think that's fine. Now this one, the next one here, sorry, this is from, we should have probably just said this at the start. This is from Pac-Man cards.

00:48:55.08
Russell Gibson
So go onto Pac-Man's Instagram and you'll find this post on there.

00:48:55.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:58.87
Russell Gibson
It's got a season ticket. Now traditionally they're in contenders.

00:49:02.67
Adz
Yeah, maybe Contenders is being cut as well then.

00:49:06.34
Russell Gibson
I don't,

00:49:07.79
Adz
You're sure that it is, yeah.

00:49:08.62
Russell Gibson
I think guaranteed this is actually it's even got a contenders optic sticker on it. Sorry. What am I talking about? um This is interesting for me though, because almost now I'm getting the feeling this is almost like a Chronicles, like a high end Chronicles.

00:49:24.83
Adz
Mosaic's gone full Chronicles.

00:49:26.54
Russell Gibson
where you put in RPAs, you put in Color Blast, then you put in the season tickets.

00:49:28.57
Adz
The lot.

00:49:32.87
Russell Gibson
You know, I think that's a really, that's an interesting wrinkle. Then you put all the other stuff in that Mosaic is known for. So that one there, the Dalton Connect, that was actually released after Kobe Bryant passed away.

00:49:45.36
Russell Gibson
They did like a snakeskin

00:49:48.24
Adz
Oh, wow. That's hot.

00:49:50.03
Russell Gibson
For the black mamba.

00:49:50.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:50.99
Russell Gibson
So then instead of giving, because they couldn't give people their autographs, they gave them these redemption packs, which were mosaic mamba imprints.

00:49:56.37
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:50:00.21
Adz
Yep.

00:50:00.48
Russell Gibson
And that reminds me a lot of that. So I feel like they kind of sneakily s slipped that in there.

00:50:04.30
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:50:05.34
Russell Gibson
Of course, the stained glass. Then they got the black one of one. And then, of course, the new case hit, which we've been talking about a little bit, the micro mosaic.

00:50:14.18
Adz
They're big. Yep.

00:50:15.62
Russell Gibson
So i think if you're talking about a card that is a little bit difficult to digest in terms of the after sale price on it, these for me, as much as I love them, I really struggle with the after sale pricing on this.

00:50:23.31
Adz
Yep.

00:50:29.06
Russell Gibson
And you can, look, I'm obviously looking that from a little bit of a glass half empty sort of perspective, but as a collector, obviously that's, if you hit one of those in a break and you go on to flip it, you know, that's a fantastic, yeah, it's a fantastic outcome.

00:50:35.34
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:40.83
Adz
This is delicious though. Like like there's, they're, yeah, this is exciting.

00:50:43.75
Russell Gibson
they They're nice cards.

00:50:47.24
Adz
It's going to be an exciting release.

00:50:48.95
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, what's going to happen to this, I think this is it's going to be very similar to what's happened to Revolution. So traditionally, that's a very cheap product. The price on that is almost double what it was last year because of the Kabooms that was in Rebo.

00:50:55.68
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:00.52
Russell Gibson
And obviously, the Color Blast is going to be into that.

00:51:00.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:02.70
Russell Gibson
So that's going to be a tough one to get your hands on. Let's go to a break and we'll be back.

00:51:07.55
Adz
Let's go to a break and then let's wrap, tie this bad boy off.

00:51:13.90
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back. Let's talk Kabooms.

00:51:18.75
Adz
Let's talk kabooms.

00:51:21.38
Russell Gibson
Right. Now, I think we can talk about this pretty loosely. I just want to get your gauge on this. We just really quickly mentioned through this, Kabooms are now in Revo. They're compressing down the print cycle because of the licensing ending.

00:51:36.56
Russell Gibson
The design from this year has gone all the way back to the original hyper manga slash cartoonized NBA superheroes. I think you could put it in that term.

00:51:47.63
Adz
That's a fair way to put it.

00:51:49.82
Russell Gibson
I personally love these. i think they're very creative. I think basketball cards should be fun, but also not be like super corny. And they've just nailed these where it's just cool, but it's also not crap.

00:52:03.58
Russell Gibson
So I like this a lot. I think the real question is, is like how collectible are these cards going to be long-term?

00:52:12.14
Adz
Versus the original Kabooms.

00:52:12.18
Russell Gibson
I'm a little bit... Yeah, I'm a little bit iffy on that because I kind of feel like, you know, they've had all these different iterations and some of them for me hit that sweet spot really well of like, you're drawing a character of somebody, you're capturing all the essence, but you're not making them look like superheroes that should be in like a Marvel movie, which is, you know, I'd get that sort of Marvel-esque sort of vibe of these cards, but

00:52:33.72
Adz
Yeah, yeah

00:52:36.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:38.00
Russell Gibson
I mean, at the same time too, they could also get like a cult following if the print run isn't too high.

00:52:43.87
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:44.36
Russell Gibson
i think these could be super collectible in the long term.

00:52:47.01
Adz
Yeah. look, they're the last lot of kabooms that we're ever going to see.

00:52:47.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:50.15
Adz
So,

00:52:50.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well...

00:52:52.82
Adz
like they look they look okay. Like, ah they're not my favorite design, but they're still kabooms.

00:52:56.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:59.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:00.38
Adz
And they don't have that crazy centering stuff by the look of it.

00:53:04.49
Russell Gibson
I think in general, the...

00:53:06.32
Adz
Do remember the, I wonder what they're going to have, if they're going to come back as nines and tens.

00:53:12.82
Russell Gibson
I actually feel in general, though, the production this year has been better than previous years.

00:53:15.71
Adz
Pretty good.

00:53:18.56
Adz
It's been pretty good, not going lie.

00:53:20.07
Russell Gibson
Like, Prism has been fantastic this year.

00:53:22.75
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, it's been good.

00:53:26.45
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. That is that. Alright, this next one is speaking to my soul. Adam Silver has just announced that the next year All-Star game will be Team USA versus the World.

00:53:39.32
Russell Gibson
I've been on the record on this about the past. I think this is an absolute no-brainer. They are finally goingnna have something to play for. If you can't put on a Team USA jersey and play hard, you're never going to be able to play hard. For me, it's as simple as that.

00:53:55.34
Adz
if

00:53:59.46
Russell Gibson
I'm all for this. I think this is a plus

00:54:02.42
Adz
Well, we're not from the USA, so we're certainly on the team, the world team, right?

00:54:07.61
Russell Gibson
But I think in terms of ah product and a spectacle, and can I be honest with you?

00:54:08.00
Adz
We're back. Yeah, for sure. It's going to be amazing.

00:54:14.32
Russell Gibson
Not that this is a gambling show and frankly, I don't gamble anymore, but this makes me want to gamble. If so if there's a sports event I would want to gamble on, this is it.

00:54:25.74
Russell Gibson
like Do you know I mean? For me, this has genuine excitement.

00:54:28.69
Adz
Yeah, it's going Look, I hope they play for it. I think there will be be there'll be some desire. All right, who's your world team right now? Giannis.

00:54:40.27
Russell Gibson
Jokic, Luka, Giannis, SGA.

00:54:47.49
Adz
And? Dyson Daniels. There you go, done.

00:54:53.21
Adz
Do you know what I mean? like we we We could potentially have a Giddy or a Dyson or...

00:54:57.50
Russell Gibson
I mean, m NBA is playing for USA now, isn't he?

00:55:00.74
Adz
He's changed his papers, but we've got ah we've got a big – well, Luka's obviously the guard, but, yeah. Like, well the two guards are SGA and Luka. So who plays the the three? Giannis at the four and Jokic at the five.

00:55:16.39
Adz
Giddy?

00:55:20.82
Adz
ah like Giddy. Giddy for it sounds good. Maybe. We'll see.

00:55:28.43
Adz
I'm on team world. i'm I'm definitely on team world.

00:55:33.43
Russell Gibson
It's funny, Embiid is still listed as an international player.

00:55:36.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:38.79
Russell Gibson
I mean, yeah, Shen Goon has to be mentioned.

00:55:42.28
Adz
Oh yeah.

00:55:43.12
Russell Gibson
Franz Wagner, Laurie Markkinen, Passos Garkin,

00:55:47.69
Adz
Oh God, the US are in so much trouble.

00:55:51.11
Russell Gibson
Wemby, Jamal Murray.

00:55:53.21
Adz
Oh yeah, whoops, I forgot about Wemby. They're cooked. yeah

00:55:58.65
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. No, Team World's going to kill it, but sure.

00:56:03.48
Russell Gibson
I mean, maybe after they've gone to the finals, you have to put Siakam in there.

00:56:07.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:08.68
Russell Gibson
But then maybe for a bit more shooting, you'd have Wagner out there. But at the same time, yeah, it's going to be lit team.

00:56:12.49
Adz
So instead of East versus West, you have to vote USA versus the world. I like it. Let's get...

00:56:16.75
Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure how it's going to roll, to be honest with it, with all the voting and stuff.

00:56:18.98
Adz
Oh, I just, yeah. I think it'll be exciting. It'll be interesting. And and I think it's it'll be a fresh change. And it'll probably be a defenseless fast, but at least they're going to pit them against each other.

00:56:31.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I'm all for this. Looking at the list, I think we named most of them.

00:56:37.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:39.77
Adz
Good idea.

00:56:39.96
Russell Gibson
Paul Zingas.

00:56:40.13
Adz
i like it.

00:56:40.56
Russell Gibson
I don't think you can mention Paul Zingas. Rudy Gobert.

00:56:42.82
Adz
Nah, nah.

00:56:43.67
Russell Gibson
OG. Giddy got a mention. Yeah, we didn't miss many, mate. We did well.

00:56:48.93
Adz
Pretty good. i like it.

00:56:51.74
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty. This is a listener question from Ados Uchos. So thank you so much, Ados, for your fantastic question.

00:57:00.08
Adz
Yep.

00:57:00.61
Russell Gibson
Hey, legends. First time, long time, quick question about the Luka card market. How would you approach selling a Luka Doncic card when he's in a Mavericks jersey now that he's playing for the Lakers?

00:57:12.59
Russell Gibson
From a pure value perspective, sure, it's still Luka, but does the uniform shift change the game? Are buyers less keen on his Dallas cards now that he's gotten better sushi options in LA?

00:57:23.12
Russell Gibson
Obviously, the rookie cards will hold or improve, but this question relates to non-rookie autos, and case hits. See the picture, which is a Galactic from 2020.

00:57:32.62
Adz
and Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:34.35
Russell Gibson
From a pure value perspective, sorry, I read that already. On the flip side, who's buying that card? Surely the trade has left such a bad taste in Mavs fans' mouths that they wouldn't want Luka. Would love to hear your thoughts on this unique situation.

00:57:49.66
Russell Gibson
Keep up the great work. Thank you, Ados, for your lovely compliments and also your great question. My perspective on this is that

00:57:55.17
Adz
yeah

00:57:58.90
Russell Gibson
You have to remember with NBA collectors is that not all of them are puritanical. So what I mean by that is there's very few people that are out there collecting who are like, I ride and die with the New York Knicks.

00:58:08.53
Adz
mmm sure sure

00:58:13.37
Russell Gibson
I ride and die with the Utah Jazz and that's the only cards that I'll buy. and I won't buy anybody else if they're not in a Utah Jazz uniform. Like it's just not really how the NBA is anymore.

00:58:22.74
Adz
yeah

00:58:25.35
Russell Gibson
And part of the reason for that is because of the player movement. And I think also part of it, frankly, too, is like the way that we consume media. There's not that sort of like local cable situation anymore.

00:58:36.91
Russell Gibson
You can access and watch pretty well any game on any time around the world. So I personally believe that people more collect players these days.

00:58:42.34
Adz
Agreed, yeah.

00:58:47.28
Russell Gibson
So for example, if you believe in the Luca brand,

00:58:50.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:50.91
Russell Gibson
you will still continue to invest into it. And is him moving to the Los Angeles Lakers a positive or a negative? I would strongly argue that this is actually a positive for him and not a negative.

00:59:02.63
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:03.46
Russell Gibson
And so for me I haven't looked at the numbers on this, but I think what he's kind of trying to tiptoe around here is like, I've got this really sick card, but maybe the value's gone down a little bit.

00:59:18.22
Russell Gibson
Look, if that's the case, my advice to you is I would be snapping up case hits that have dipped in value because this is what we talked about last week with Chet Holgrim. It's like sometimes cards go down in the hobby for the wrong reasons.

00:59:32.01
Russell Gibson
If a player is healthy and doing all the right things and their cards are going down, there's nothing wrong.

00:59:32.05
Adz
yeah, yeah.

00:59:37.38
Russell Gibson
It's just you found a pocket in the market and you need to go out and exploit that. So, um you know, and probably my advice to you, Ados, is like, don't panic on this card.

00:59:47.83
Russell Gibson
Just sit tight on it and it'll come good. So, yeah.

00:59:53.44
Adz
Yeah, it's a big Luka. It's going to be, it's still going to be Luka. There will be. Sure, you're going to get people to go, I want to, if it's not a rookie, I want it in a Lakers jersey. But going to get people to go, it's Luka Doncic.

01:00:06.83
Adz
That have followed him from from day dot.

01:00:08.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And people flip him, invest in him, roll in him.

01:00:11.83
Adz
Correct. Correct.

01:00:13.31
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

01:00:14.37
Adz
um I mean, there's been other scenarios where people have just waited and bided their, like, you just bide your time and... Things will pan out. um Personally, i wouldn't touch it because it's in a Mavericks uniform.

01:00:28.07
Adz
Unless it's a rookie. And I won't touch the rookie card because I think they're overpriced.

01:00:29.55
Russell Gibson
But,

01:00:32.95
Russell Gibson
yeah, but case in point, you're a Lakers fan, right? Yeah.

01:00:35.54
Adz
I bleed purple and gold, yes. I am i am ah a Laker.

01:00:37.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:39.54
Adz
i'm ah I follow a team. I don't follow a player.

01:00:42.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:43.16
Adz
um I think everybody's quite well aware, as I've been tagged twice in the comments, um with regards to my thoughts on Luka Doncic's card values.

01:00:52.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:52.87
Adz
We now have similar basketball views with regards to winning a championship. So hopefully he performs.

01:01:01.74
Russell Gibson
Now, we almost have now a tradition of ending the show with Michael Jordan every week, and we are going to do exactly that again. However, it's we are going to do a card in a minute, but the first thing we're going to is discuss a quote that Jordan had about joining NBC.

01:01:19.28
Russell Gibson
This is from Twitter, at High Note, and note is spelled N-O-T-E-E-E.

01:01:19.35
Adz
ah yeah. Yeah.

01:01:24.60
Russell Gibson
e e e This is insane. Michael Jordan told NBC that his main reason for collaborating with the network is to address the toxic energy that his own fans have brought to NBA culture.

01:01:36.94
Russell Gibson
He wants to kill the narrative that he was flawless, put an end to the 6-0 argument that they use against today's players, and get his supporters to stop disrespecting LeBron and other athletes from the modern era.

01:01:47.70
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:49.38
Russell Gibson
According to MJ, he's tired of people using him as a weapon to discredit the generations that came after him. It's shocking to hear that he doesn't echo the sentiments of his fan base, which is what many assume because of his silence about the subject.

01:02:00.11
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:03.20
Adz
yeah

01:02:03.77
Russell Gibson
I mean, it's a really interesting one, isn't it? Because I think that's a really um clever observation to make because because somebody has said nothing, we then assume what that person's thinking.

01:02:16.04
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty crazy, isn't it?

01:02:22.66
Adz
It's, um, I, if it is, if this is genuinely, I, I do believe they're also, they're they're not paying him much either. There's like, it's like 20 bucks an episode or something, isn't it?

01:02:36.01
Russell Gibson
It's 40 million a year.

01:02:37.22
Adz
ah Oh, oh, oh, oh, they're actually paying him a bucket load of money.

01:02:37.32
Russell Gibson
It's been reported. Yeah.

01:02:42.71
Russell Gibson
I think you're getting confused that you can't comp this budget with NBC, mate.

01:02:43.04
Adz
that's,

01:02:46.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:46.23
Adz
ah ah

01:02:47.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:49.29
Adz
Well, okay, so Michael's doing it out of the goodness of his heart and a little bit of his pocket change. But I applaud it. i do I do like the narrative that he's sort of hit this with, saying, no, this isn't to solidify his position as the as the GOAT.

01:03:09.14
Adz
Stop degrading other players in his name.

01:03:15.54
Russell Gibson
Look, to be fair, I had the same assumption. My take on this was that I can't wait to hear this guy come on and rip all these guys a new a-hole, right? I literally, like saying that is the same thing in a different spin.

01:03:29.16
Adz
Yeah. yeah

01:03:30.19
Russell Gibson
It's the same thought process though. So look, I'm frothing to hear this guy.

01:03:32.62
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:34.97
Russell Gibson
I cannot wait to hear this guy on broadcast. I genuinely think this is going to be

01:03:39.41
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:42.70
Russell Gibson
revenue revolutionary for NBA fans, honestly.

01:03:46.28
Adz
Imagine, imagine he's a terrible, a terrible commentator.

01:03:47.49
Russell Gibson
I can't believe we're having this opportunity.

01:03:49.90
Adz
Imagine he's a terrible commentator.

01:03:52.56
Russell Gibson
I think that he will be there as a color commentator.

01:03:52.89
Adz
um No, I think he'll be very well-spoken. He'll be fine.

01:03:55.24
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean No.

01:03:55.74
Adz
he will He'll be...

01:03:56.04
Russell Gibson
like

01:03:56.82
Adz
a Special comments.

01:03:58.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. He doesn't have to be, he just has to go in there and just talk about things that he sees intermittently. That's it.

01:04:02.65
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true.

01:04:04.50
Russell Gibson
He's not going doing the, like the game time stuff. Like they'll get a beautiful voice to come and do that.

01:04:08.39
Adz
No, ah but he and he'll go into bat for the legend the the rising legends of this game.

01:04:09.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:13.79
Adz
Steph Curry does something because I'd never be able to do that. If was me, like he would be able to break down how amazing Steph is at something, how fantastic someone like Halliburton has been finding someone.

01:04:19.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:27.06
Adz
He might poke a bit of fun at SGA for drawing fouls. Who knows? um But he'll be able to give his view rather than an assumed view.

01:04:37.99
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:04:38.92
Adz
And I think that's nice. I think i think LeBron has it's definitely copped it on that side. Because I don't like this whole, I don't, the the one aspect of the GOAT debate I don't like is that the debate is centered around putting the other party down.

01:04:55.52
Adz
We're talking about some of the greatest players that have ever played the game. So rather than putting the other down, let's talk about all the upsides and humanize both players and go, you know what, they're both pretty damn amazing in their own right.

01:05:11.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I'm keen. I can't wait.

01:05:13.69
Adz
yeah ah it's gonna be Yeah, it's going to be amazing. And you reckon like all the like, yeah, I think i think watching those live streams of the game with that commentary is going to be worth it.

01:05:25.99
Russell Gibson
I still hope he has some critique for players, though.

01:05:29.84
Adz
Oh, ah don't don't worry. he will he is he's not he's not missed He's not going to be positive vibes only.

01:05:31.53
Russell Gibson
Do you know what mean? Like, I still hope he kind of like rips into people.

01:05:37.00
Adz
He's just going to be like, don't put me up on a pedestal. i've gone I've struggled just like that player has. I've done this.

01:05:43.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:44.30
Adz
I got injured too.

01:05:44.39
Russell Gibson
Any, yeah.

01:05:45.30
Adz
yeah

01:05:45.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. So I've just put this into the sheet literally two seconds ago. It's called card to finish on. It is going to be Michael Jordan. We're going to do the 1996 Stadium Club.

01:05:58.04
Adz
Wow, there's a blast from the path.

01:05:58.94
Russell Gibson
Hashtag HR14. Now look, I chose this card because I find it aesthetically pleasing. It's Jordan in his black and red uniform. It's a beautiful little jump shot that he's pulling up for there.

01:06:10.91
Russell Gibson
And then in the background, it looks to me like the buildings of Chicago like a hologram type card.

01:06:15.33
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:06:16.95
Russell Gibson
So that's raw and it's sold to 173. 10 of this on that is 13.

01:06:19.62
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:21.74
Russell Gibson
that's

01:06:22.13
Adz
High rises.

01:06:25.78
Russell Gibson
thirteen so

01:06:27.43
Adz
crazy, isn't it?

01:06:28.55
Russell Gibson
I think sometimes I struggle a little bit in terms of how much we should be spending on these cards. You know, la, la, la, la. la I'm actually totally fine with that.

01:06:39.07
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:40.31
Russell Gibson
I am totally fine with this.

01:06:41.82
Adz
I like it.

01:06:43.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:44.40
Adz
like a lot. i think that's a great way to to to to wrap things up.

01:06:48.90
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam. Thank you, Central Coast Radio. Thank you to our listeners in United States, Canada, New Zealand, Philippines, Germany, all around the world.

01:06:55.44
Adz
all around the world, all around the world.

01:06:58.71
Russell Gibson
Central Coast Radio, Andrew from Hobby Hangout, the guys from Unboxed, Lane Pierce, whatnot.

01:06:59.14
Adz
That's it.

01:07:05.41
Adz
Yes.

01:07:05.59
Russell Gibson
Do we thank Goldens?

01:07:07.32
Adz
No, we don't thank Goldens. Let's thank our sponsors, US Sports Cards Australia and Fastbreak.

01:07:10.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and Fast Break. That's right.

01:07:12.90
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:13.13
Russell Gibson
That's who should we should be thanking. exactly.

01:07:14.93
Adz
Yes. And let's thank Tyrese Halliburton for making the playoffs interesting.

01:07:19.37
Russell Gibson
Very, very, very interesting. Yeah.

01:07:21.80
Adz
For the.3 of a second they were in front in game one, which was enough, which was enough.

01:07:25.41
Russell Gibson
That's all The only 0.3 you need. Yeah, yeah.

01:07:29.23
Adz
Thanks for another great show. We'll see everybody next week.

01:07:34.95
Adz
Well, I won't.