You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 221: Thunder Are Champs, Hali Goes Down
This week we break down Games 6 & 7 of the NBA Finals—Thunder take the chip, but Haliburton’s injury changes the tone.
We talk SGA’s 8/27 Game 7 stat line, and how Jalen Williams + Chet stepped up.
Is the Pacers’ core legit? What comes next with Turner chasing $30M per year?
Plus: hobby watch on Hali, SGA, Nembhard, and Ben Sheppard.
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Adz
watched all the games live it was at 7 30 a.m yeah it was just like wake up 7 30 a.m m basketball's on go for breakfast go for a swim it's lovely anyway we're live
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Russell Gibson
you're and You're on holidays, right? It's like delicious.
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Russell Gibson
Let's go. Yeah. Living the dream.
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Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 221 of the You Can't Comp This Training Cup podcast.
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Adz
We're your hosts, Adam Amey and Russell Gibson. I'm back. Hope you didn't miss me too much.
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Russell Gibson
Welcome back, mate.
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Adz
um I haven't listened to the episode with with you and GTI. and um No, it's queued up.
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Russell Gibson
Oh, boo. Boo.
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Adz
i've ah I was too busy listening all the other basketball stuff that's going on.
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Russell Gibson
Outrageous.
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Adz
It's crazy, I'm trying to play went a bit longer than the usual hour.
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Russell Gibson
Look, it's a good episode and you won't have to listen to me talk too much.
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Adz
looked like i went for about an hour 10.
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Russell Gibson
I had to cut him off, I think. He was, he had a great, I think he had a great time. That was my impression of it. So Comron, thank you so much, mate.
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Adz
Excellent.
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Russell Gibson
It was, it really was an absolute pleasure having you on and he's keen to do some, stuff yeah, you're right.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
An hour and 10 and that was edited down. So I reckon, I think we'll probably on, yeah, I think we'll probably online together for about an hour 40 and hour 45 because we were talking before and afterwards too.
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Adz
You guys had a good old chat. Yeah.
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Adz
could.
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Russell Gibson
So yeah, look,
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Adz
I might not have got a gig this week. It could have been a two-parter.
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Russell Gibson
That's right. Fired, mate. Fired.
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Adz
That's it.
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Russell Gibson
um Yeah. Like, honestly, though, thank you so much to GTI. That was a really good episode.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think the other thing too is it's sometimes it's hard to get people to come on to talk and then to talk with honesty and discuss all the issues that they're like encountering.
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Russell Gibson
And so I, that was my takeaway from listening to that episode afterwards is that he really did,
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
um Yeah. Anyways, that's that. All right. So I think what we should probably do at is just lay out what we're going to be doing this week and then what we're going to be doing next week. So this week is going to be and NBA finals game six and game seven.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
And if you're paying attention at home, I did a not timeless moments and I said it was game five and six. In fact, it was games four and five. So that's what happens when you're not around to fact check me.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
I even said game six, even though game six hadn't happened at that point. Like it was one of those things I was like, do I pull the episode? I just left it up. So look,
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Adz
but Look, it's a very exciting series overall. i think the back and forth, the way that the needle shifted um from all the drama in game one to to the fight back in game four, it's...
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Russell Gibson
yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it was good.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
It was good basketball. Anyway, let's just hold that for thought for two seconds.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Then we'll do some WNBA. We'll do some general NBA card talk. And then next week, we're going to do all the NBA trades. And then we'll do some NBA draft, which I'm not too sure how you're sort of sitting with this.
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Russell Gibson
I'm still not got my head around who won this and who won that and all that type of stuff.
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Adz
Oh, look, I tell you what, if you've drafted me to Utah, I'm not playing.
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Russell Gibson
But
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Adz
I'm done.
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Russell Gibson
So there's that story. I think we'll definitely talk about that. And then we'll also talk about some of the other stuff that Danny Ainge did. I heard some funny clips today about how he's sort of normal hijinks of like tricking teams into taking people. So he gets the dude he wants, all this type of stuff. So, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So that will all be next week. So this week is and NBA finals. Let's start with game six.
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Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
What was your takeaways from game six?
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Adz
ah
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Russell Gibson
And yeah.
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Adz
Oh, game six was Indiana announcing we aren't going quietly into the night and we are here to play.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
and And I think that was that it was their statement game. It was their we are not going to be bullied into submission. we are not giving up and we're we're forcing a game seven. And God, did they do They dominated.
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Adz
They dominated.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So when I was watching the game, I felt really uneasy because they started off really slowly. And then they made a ah substitution change and the momentum just really went with the paces.
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Russell Gibson
And my sort of gut feeling was the Thunder didn't really look like they were ready to compete fully or maybe they expected to win the game and the paces would just sort of roll over.
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Russell Gibson
like i was It was a really weird feeling for me. just didn't seem like the Thunder was all there.
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Adz
Yep. Yeah. Maybe they were like, it's okay, our home floor will be fine for game seven.
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Russell Gibson
think that's such a weird...
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Adz
I don't know. it's It's the NBA finals though. Like why would you give that up?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
It's not easy to win on someone else's floor though.
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Russell Gibson
Look.
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Russell Gibson
no definitely not. Look, I think for me, even though they might not have the best stats around it, I think obviously Halliburton was really good, but Obi Toppin was just fantastic off the bench. I think...
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Like I said a few weeks back, I'd really like to see him as a starting four. He's a really funny guy. Like if you sort of look through all the teams in the league, where he would be a starting four, there's probably not a spot for him, but geez, he's good coming off the bench and sort of giving him almost starter level minutes.
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Russell Gibson
Like maybe that's his sort of, his peak OB-ness of, you know, where he'll be.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
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Russell Gibson
But that's my takeaway from from that particular game.
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Adz
That's a good point.
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Russell Gibson
It's just like, you know, where can we get more opportunity for OB Toppin?
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
And then just i just made a small comment here about the nice sort of core they've got of Siakam, Halliburton, and Turner. So we can sort of hold that thought for a little bit as we... but Why don't we just go into game seven now?
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Adz
Of course, of course. um
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
Well, that was it. Like game six was, I ah i was on a holiday.
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Russell Gibson
Not much to talk about, is it? Yep.
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Adz
i was watching the game and it was like, oh, don't worry about the fourth quarter. I don't need to watch this. Like let's go for a swim.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it was over, wasn't it?
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Adz
We're good.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
But game seven, hey, you can begin.
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Russell Gibson
All right. So my theory about game seven is that he was actually pretty badly injured. Yeah. Before the game even started.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So I think he was like severely limited by his injury. And then for those of you who don't know, he then went on to Terry's Achilles very early in the first quarter.
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Russell Gibson
So I actually, was it seven minutes in?
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Adz
seven Was it seven minutes in?
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Russell Gibson
I thought it was only like about five minutes in, honestly.
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Adz
set Seven minutes in, um he he
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
tore his Achilles. He was three from four from the field.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Three three-pointers.
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Russell Gibson
Right. So if you just hold that thought for two seconds. So my theory about this is he was actually quite badly injured and he was limiting how much movement he was taking.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Because if you, I went back and actually watched him move. He was not really moving around the court much at all. And I think the reason why he had three, three point attempts is because he didn't have the mobility to like get to the free for a line to get to the basket. And one of them was actually like a super deep three. Like he was,
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Russell Gibson
you know, really not into the, in the play at all. He was more like as a, an outlet or like a valve release type thing, but he just put that shot up. So, yeah.
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Adz
i i think there's I think you're right to an extent. I think he was learning to play with his injury. But i also, if you watch the way Halliburton played through through the entire final series, getting feet into the paint, he was not good.
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Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
He was not aggressive at the basket. And i think he needed to adjust. It may have been a health health-related,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, this is...
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Adz
But he wasn't he wasn't driving and attacking at all. So he he had to re-figure out how he can be an offensive threat because no one believed it when he drove.
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Adz
Lou Dort had his number, but maybe it was an adaption.
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Russell Gibson
I think Dort is a really bad matchup for Halliburton. And I said that at the start of the series and that nothing that I saw, you know, changes my mind on that.
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Adz
Agreed. Yeah. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Like the Thunder made a lineup change at the start of the series. I actually thought they should have put Caruso or Dort or both of them into the starting line. That's to me, they were the worst matchups for Halliburton, you know, just absolutely hands down.
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Adz
I think when they when they went back to Hartenstein and Chet is when they were the scariest.
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Russell Gibson
But yeah, I,
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Adz
But you needed both bigs.
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Russell Gibson
yeah, interesting. I don't know. I just like Dort on Halliburton.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
It's just like a nightmare matchup. Anyway, look, I think what you're saying is is correct. But for me, it's just all to do with his mobility and his lack of mobility for me.
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
It's just just so hard for him.
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Adz
Yep. think the worst part is we'll never know what we were going to get out of Halliburton on that day.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, you know, we're going to talk about more about this later on down the show, what it's going to mean for the Pacers, what it's going to mean for Hella Burton. So I think we now just congratulate the Thunder. So for me, I think they're a fantastic champion.
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Russell Gibson
I think you have a differing opinion on this.
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Adz
Oh, look, they were the obvious champion.
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Russell Gibson
I think they're...
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Adz
um
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
i I'm not going to give them the kudos of saying they're a generationally great team.
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Russell Gibson
I...
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Adz
Statistically on paper, yeah, they had a good season. They had this amazing all-time level performance, but I think as the experts of all nitpicked, give Give a bunch of recent teams.
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Adz
Just give us a team that they are going to go and take this to seven games with and not get swept with.
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Russell Gibson
I don't think they're a generationally good team, but what I think we should point out at this moment in time is they're the youngest and NBA champion in 13 or 15 years.
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Adz
A long time. as it's ah It's a long time.
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Russell Gibson
So for me, they don't have to be a generationally good team.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
They're a young championship team. So in my head, where I'm going with this is like, are they going to win again next year? And then even if they don't win next year, they'll be back the year after that to you know to compete again.
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Russell Gibson
So... That's what
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Adz
that's so That second apron can be pretty daunting. We'll see if they are back.
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Russell Gibson
That's what's scary for me, though, is how young they are. And also, too, they've still got more draft assets coming in. So, like, what you're alluding to there is how they're going manage their cap.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
But I think they've got a really good opportunity to have a well-managed cap because they've got a good general manager. But he also has a lot of assets he can bring in, which are going to be low-cost, you know, high-quality assets.
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Adz
That's fair.
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Russell Gibson
so that that to me is very scary for the rest of the league. And then I can't be the only person who feels like that.
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Adz
Oh, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
if you're If you're working in the league, like, that's a scary, you know, proposition.
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Adz
Like no, no doubt. No, no doubt.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. So my takeaways from game seven was that the Thunder was just too much for them. I thought they handled the injury, you know, like really good sports.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
It's like when when the injury happened, the way that the Thunder behaved, I thought was like really good sportsmanship.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
There's footage of SGA going into the locker room afterwards. Halliburton was like um clapping his teammates off the court, like all around for me.
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Adz
He was there in the car corridor when TJ McConnell was in tears.
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Russell Gibson
Like that's like, yeah.
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Adz
Reggie Miller gave him a hug in his Chris Mullen jersey, which was pretty funny. But Halliburton was there in the corridor being, I'm there with you.
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Russell Gibson
But that that to me is like,
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
you know, I think sometimes people look back on the league with rose-coloured glasses. So where I'm going with this is this. Remember that series where it was the Pistons and the Bulls and the Pistons walked off the court without even shaking hands with them?
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Adz
Bad sports. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, whereas now you've got guys who are like getting injured, you know behaving you know really well, even going in afterwards.
00:11:05.50
Adz
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
like To me, that's what sports is about, is that like compete as hard as you can and then shake their hand at the end.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
like To me, that's like where my heart lies. so ah But look, my takeaway from the last game was that SGA was just gunning for points.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I just felt like a few of the shots that he attempted were like not the best shot attempts.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And it seemed to me like they had the game one and he was like, can I get 30, 35 points here and like get MVP? That was the sort of like the feeling that i had from that eight from 27 from the field.
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Adz
He already had it. Like it was... Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
um But I actually thought Chet was by far the best player in that court. He was just so well-rounded.
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Adz
For game seven, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Defensively, I thought his rotations were just like really good. And he had, ah again, like just like very, like protecting the basket really well. And then obviously Jalen Williams was just like creating, you know, shots in transition.
00:11:59.59
Adz
william William's played out of his skin. So for for for a few games there, and I think he's probably one of the keys to then getting back, coming back in game four.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So I think, I think what we should probably do now is just do like a championship. You can't comp this card letter comp. I think we should at least do the big three of SGA Chet.
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Russell Gibson
um
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
The reason why I think we should do this is because, you know, we've spoken about this in the past with people actually will go down at the finals.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
And I really think that there's going to be some... um uncertainty with Shea because like, because it went out to seven games, I wonder if people got a little bit scared and, you know, sold off.
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Russell Gibson
And then now that they've won and now he's the MVP, now people are, okay, you know, do we actually need to sort of like buy back?
00:12:41.78
Adz
Oh, okay.
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Russell Gibson
So if we see a bit of uncertainty in the last couple of weeks, that is not going to surprise me, you know, at all.
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Adz
Interesting.
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Russell Gibson
And I think we should definitely look at Chet. I definitely think we should look at Jalen Williams because, you know, we spoke about him a little while back and we're kind of like, you know What's going on with this guy? Is he a good buy? Is he a bad buy?
00:13:05.64
Russell Gibson
i wonder if he's absolutely spiking hard at the moment. All right, so SGA is at $1,000 for a silver PSA 10. Let's just zoom in into the last month.
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Adz
Hang on, let's, there's silver. Oh, God, I'm terrible at navigating.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, he's been a little bit up and down, but nothing crazy.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
So he's been at the lowest point. He's been at 905. At his peak, he's been 1,300. So look, that's i mean that's a $400 variant, isn't it? Last price.
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Adz
There are. thousand dollars He's only, yeah, $1,000. He's been here, there, and everywhere. So how's it going in the last month, then?
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Russell Gibson
So the last month, minus 8%, which is you know what we'd sort of be expecting.
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Adz
Well, flat.
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Adz
Yep, flat-ish.
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Adz
Two weeks, 10%.
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Russell Gibson
All right. Buy, hold, or sell SGA.
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Adz
It's, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Okay.
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Adz
so i always never buy it
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Russell Gibson
okay I'm not as convinced about that anymore.
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Adz
I was never buying him, to be fair. um
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
But,
00:14:03.86
Adz
yeah. Like, i
00:14:07.32
Adz
like I would be selling. I'm not sure. I don't know what next season looks like. And you've probably got a very valid point with –
00:14:15.87
Adz
with what you say about the Thunder having beat having a hat in the ring for the next few years.
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Russell Gibson
ah
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Adz
And obviously we'll we'll we'll go into what our predictions or what the what the landscape looks like, because I think there are some teams that have decided to blow it up. But I think the West is going to be a very hard fought battle for the years to come.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Jalen Williams is trading at 198. Population on that's 659. That to me is an A plus buy. There is just nothing about that card. um That worries me like at all, like nothing. There's nothing you can say to me about that card at that price point.
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Russell Gibson
With the future prospects that that team has, you know, I think that's really good. Let's go to Chet. Now Chet, just remember a couple of weeks back, I put an A++ plus plus on this in terms of a buy.
00:15:04.49
Adz
huh
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Russell Gibson
which is really interesting because I want to go to the last three months for Chet. All right. So the last three months, Chet has been basically between 111 and 220.
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Russell Gibson
and two twenty And if you then zoom into the last month, he's actually down 25%. All right. right I am going to double down on this. This is an A triple plus buy. 150, that is effing ridiculous.
00:15:27.27
Adz
A triple plus buy.
00:15:31.51
Russell Gibson
that's
00:15:31.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:32.24
Russell Gibson
that is
00:15:32.32
Adz
Yeah, I'm i'm like...
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Russell Gibson
that is effing ridiculous
00:15:35.83
Adz
I think we said this before we went to the Hobby Hangout. it was like buy it.
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Russell Gibson
Buy the dip.
00:15:39.21
Adz
Under $150 US for this man, buy. Yeah.
00:15:40.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:15:41.44
Adz
Yeah.
00:15:44.95
Adz
buy
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Russell Gibson
The only, the only thing now, this is a very weak like thing for me to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. I just wonder if some of these prices have been passed in and then relisted and all that type of stuff, because I was bidding on like not heaps on eBay, but definitely on a few.
00:16:03.39
Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
and I, I had a few problems with getting payments in and all that type of stuff. So
00:16:07.42
Adz
Okay.
00:16:09.58
Russell Gibson
But that's, I mean, usually that happens.
00:16:11.02
Adz
Yeah.
00:16:13.76
Russell Gibson
People don't take your purchases when they're low, not when they're high.
00:16:17.69
Adz
it's ah it's ah it's ah It's an odd one.
00:16:20.66
Russell Gibson
Because I reckon the last time we were talking about this, it was around the sort of $110 mark.
00:16:26.18
Adz
I think we'd we'd seen one of those dips for the, the no, no, 10th of June, no. Would have been the 138 the end of may because I'm looking at the previous sales, that May 26th sale for $138 would have been the one we looked at before the Hobby Hangout in the first week of June.
00:16:41.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:16:45.92
Adz
And that's where i was like, if you can get it for $150, that's a sweet spot.
00:16:46.12
Russell Gibson
Anyway. Yeah.
00:16:51.12
Adz
let's like i would go I would go in at that price for sure.
00:16:53.72
Russell Gibson
I just think with all the hype that's in the league about, you know, prospects that have, you know, like they're juicy and they're all that type of stuff, but you know, what have they really done?
00:16:57.32
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:17:01.64
Russell Gibson
Then you've got someone like Chet, like he was a really important cog to that team. Like, for me, there's nothing moving him from, let's just call him the third best player on that team at the worst.
00:17:15.58
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:17:15.61
Russell Gibson
You can make an argument he's the second best for a hundred, less than $150 for a silver PSA 10.
00:17:24.83
Russell Gibson
Even myself, I struggle with the hobby sometimes.
00:17:26.19
Adz
Yeah.
00:17:27.11
Russell Gibson
Like things just don't make sense. Anyway. All right. Let's go for a break. Then we'll come back and we will talk more Pacers Thunder.
00:17:36.67
Adz
probably need ah Probably need a whole segment to break down the the analysis of what the Pacers players look like.
00:17:43.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we can do that.
00:17:43.88
Adz
to find a number one. Let's do it.
00:17:45.58
Russell Gibson
We can work through this. Fast Break Trading Cards. Please go to fastbreaktradingcards.com for all of your trading card needs. Now, we're not going to talk so much about their selling on their websites at the moment.
00:17:58.26
Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about CollectFest, which is actually next weekend. So Melbourne, the 5th and the 6th of July.
00:18:03.28
Adz
Mm hmm.
00:18:13.50
Russell Gibson
Go to collectfest.com.au. Use the promo code TOPS20 for 20% off your tickets. T-O-P-P-S 20 will get you 20% off their tickets. That is through our friends from Fastbreak Trading Cards.
00:18:31.40
Russell Gibson
Also, last week we announced Leonard Copeland will be at the Fastbreak Trading Card booth, doing autographs, doing pack battles, meeting all of his fans.
00:18:44.14
Russell Gibson
Then also this week... The lads have announced Archie Thompson, the former Socceroo and Melbourne victory legend, will be joining the Tops and Fastbreak stand on Sunday between 12 and 2.
00:18:56.72
Russell Gibson
Now, for this one, it's the same as Leonard Copeland. Bring in your memorabilia that you want Archie to sign. He will sign it for you on the day in person. So cards, clothing, any other memorabilia that you've got.
00:19:09.26
Russell Gibson
If you don't have anything and you would like to sign something,
00:19:09.47
Adz
yep
00:19:13.32
Russell Gibson
The lads at Fastbreak Trading Cards have got photos of both Archie Thompson and also Leonard Copeland to get signed too. So guys, congratulations on your joint sponsorship and partnership with the CollectFest.
00:19:25.17
Russell Gibson
You absolutely deserve it and well done for all these amazing announcements and activations that you have for your stand.
00:19:33.82
Adz
um i'm looking for I'm looking through it's gonna be huge
00:19:39.20
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:19:39.87
Adz
um I cannot wait to see the guys from Fast Break there, but there's there's going to be everything. You've got coin collectors. You're going to have shoe collectors. You're going to have comic collectors.
00:19:51.38
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:19:52.25
Adz
If you're a collector, this is the place to be. That's, yeah, yeah.
00:19:56.20
Russell Gibson
Time to collect.
00:19:59.98
Adz
Collect yourself and off to the, off to CollectFest.
00:20:04.33
Russell Gibson
That's it.
00:20:09.89
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we are back.
00:20:13.03
Adz
We are.
00:20:14.05
Russell Gibson
Right, I would like to know what is happening with Halliburton prices.
00:20:20.97
Russell Gibson
Because
00:20:22.78
Adz
can i Can I do the is it too soon? don't
00:20:25.91
Russell Gibson
nothing is too soon for this show, mate.
00:20:29.20
Adz
know. feel so bad for the guy.
00:20:30.78
Russell Gibson
Just say it.
00:20:32.16
Adz
I'm just heartbroken for the guy.
00:20:32.38
Russell Gibson
it's a Yeah, it's bad. it's It's really bad. It's a really bad outcome. outcome And I think other thing that was going through my head was he was in a world where he could have walked away as a world champion.
00:20:46.55
Russell Gibson
And then he wakes up the next day where he's not the world champion. And now he's got a 12 month injury.
00:20:50.92
Adz
Yeah, it's messed up.
00:20:51.03
Russell Gibson
Like, as what I think as much as, you know, sports are the, you know, the best thing, other they can also be, you know, the most heartbreaking thing ever too.
00:21:01.06
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? It's just like, he's just literally experienced both ends of the spectrum in one day.
00:21:02.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:05.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:07.80
Russell Gibson
so we've previously spoken about Halliburton being a very, very volatile asset.
00:21:12.81
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:21:13.92
Russell Gibson
this is what I wanted to tune in and look at is just see what he's now doing at the moment. So in the last month, he's down 33%. currently...
00:21:22.43
Adz
Mm hmm.
00:21:24.12
Russell Gibson
he's currently
00:21:24.14
Adz
Trying to figure the the best visual but I think I think three months is probably the best visual on card letter.
00:21:28.67
Russell Gibson
Currently trading at 285, yeah, the highest in the last month is 450.
00:21:30.00
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:34.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:35.49
Russell Gibson
And then if you go back to six months, that to me is probably the most interesting thing because at six months ago, he was trading in that 150 range and then he had this huge spike up to 450 and now you can see it coming back down again.
00:21:42.67
Adz
Mm hmm.
00:21:45.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:47.41
Russell Gibson
So look, I i do wonder in the next six months if he doesn't go back down to 150, 125,
00:21:57.70
Russell Gibson
We already know he's volatile. Then for him to experience something like that, I i cannot see anything else than the downward spectrum.
00:22:01.63
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:04.63
Russell Gibson
um The really ironic thing about this is that if you go back to the last six months, he's still plus 80%.
00:22:05.76
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:22:11.45
Russell Gibson
So
00:22:12.77
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:13.83
Russell Gibson
luck it really does depend when you hopped onto this Halliburton train.
00:22:16.74
Adz
When you look at it. Yeah.
00:22:19.59
Russell Gibson
I'm holding a lot of Halliburton because he was a Kings guy. I would just generally go into Kings breaks.
00:22:25.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:26.24
Russell Gibson
So I've got a lot of it. And actually some of my mates, my drinking buddies were razzing me about how much money I just lost on Halliburton because I'd been tossing up. i was like, do I sell it or do I just wait a couple of years and sell it off later on?
00:22:39.10
Adz
Mm-mm-mm.
00:22:39.43
Russell Gibson
So they've been basically just teasing me about that. All right, let's move on from that.
00:22:43.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:43.24
Russell Gibson
What else do we need to talk about? If we click on the next link ad, we've got a lovely card ladder comparison. We have got the Tyrese Halliburton PSA 10 Gold Prism Rookie Card, which sold for $34,000.
00:22:57.65
Russell Gibson
Comparing that to the SGA, also gold, number to 10, Gem 10, and also Auto 10, sticker autograph on that one, that sold for $36,000.
00:23:09.05
Russell Gibson
I think now that we've had the injury and we're comparing the two, it's just laughable because obviously the SGA is far more valuable at this point in time than the Halliburton one.
00:23:19.24
Adz
I would have loved to say I'd take the Hallie. I'd love to say it, but I can't. It's the SGA.
00:23:26.97
Russell Gibson
I think if he didn't have a torn Achilles, you would take the Halliburton
00:23:30.96
Adz
Agreed.
00:23:32.14
Russell Gibson
Because I think that's just a more desirable, like a true gold is more desirable than a, like Prism autographs just don't move the needle that much.
00:23:35.62
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:23:40.40
Russell Gibson
And it's also a sticker. But in saying that, a gem, it's a gem 10 and also the sticker is a 10.
00:23:43.59
Adz
It's gold to 10, though.
00:23:47.02
Russell Gibson
So there's not a lot that's actually, you know, taken away from this card.
00:23:50.45
Adz
Yeah, it's pretty flawless card.
00:23:51.47
Russell Gibson
So I think the question for me is, which I probably think is the most relevant at this point in time, where does that card, what's the value of that card in 10 years time?
00:24:00.64
Adz
It was the SGA.
00:24:01.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:03.76
Adz
That depends on what happens in the next three to five, hey? And I'm not wishing anything bad, but Tyrese Halliburton just had the next 12 months of basketball stripped from him.
00:24:17.31
Adz
SGA could do this in game two of the – or halfway in the lead-up to next year's all-star break, Snappies-Archilles. And um obviously, let's touch wood that doesn't happen.
00:24:28.04
Adz
um This year was a record for Achilles injuries. so So it's – yeah.
00:24:32.77
Russell Gibson
we We could definitely talk about that.
00:24:37.82
Adz
I mean, if they win if they do go on this trajectory where the Thunder win – I hate using the dynasty stuff, but they build they've got this this continuity continuity plan where they win and they win and they're in the finals and they win one, they lose one.
00:24:48.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:52.85
Adz
It's the Cavs and the Warriors all over again, right?
00:24:55.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:55.92
Adz
Awesome.
00:24:58.54
Adz
This card goes up. um um'm I'm not denying that. But what happens if next year's the year Wemby takes over? What happens if the Thunder don't make it to the finals for for another five years because they can't get past the Spurs, because the Lakers have done something, because the Nuggets have retooled?
00:25:20.02
Adz
The West is scary.
00:25:21.83
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, It's pretty stacked.
00:25:23.46
Adz
and and And there's obviously that inherent risk. And I just, yeah.
00:25:26.20
Russell Gibson
And a lot of high-end what-ifs. Like, I don't think the Spurs are going to make the finals next year, but I think they're going to be good.
00:25:28.71
Adz
Oh,
00:25:32.30
Adz
oh yeah. Yeah.
00:25:32.83
Russell Gibson
You know, I don't think the Lakers are going to make the finals next year, but I think they're going to be good.
00:25:33.59
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:36.04
Russell Gibson
You know, and same as the Nuggets.
00:25:36.82
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:37.44
Russell Gibson
It's like, but they all could make the finals too. So that's the other thing. It's like, I think it's going to be tough.
00:25:41.11
Adz
Yeah, they one ah every every team is one injury away from from having to rebuild.
00:25:47.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:48.19
Adz
and And so being able to predict that 10-year, 20-year price is so hard, especially with his age. um But if the trajectory is on, he's going to be a multiple, like perennial all-star, multiple finals appearances.
00:26:07.45
Adz
he's He's on the right trajectory, that's for sure.
00:26:09.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. And I think without going into this too much, Boston's not going to be the next year.
00:26:16.82
Adz
Well, they blew it up. We can talk about that next week.
00:26:18.94
Russell Gibson
The Pacers are definitely not going to be the next year. So that's going to be tough. Alrighty. Our next card.
00:26:23.16
Adz
Well, my my question is, are the paces going to be there next year?
00:26:27.23
Russell Gibson
No, I hope they've got their pick next year. That's what I hope. Cause I think they're going to be an absolute stinker with that Halliburton.
00:26:32.64
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:34.06
Russell Gibson
That team is going to be, and they're going to be hard to watch too. you
00:26:39.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:39.28
Russell Gibson
82 games of TJ McConnell as a starting point guard no thanks i want I won't be watching a single pace I'm going to be watching 40 games this year to 0 games next year let me put it to you that way ah yeah Chippy fine respect Chippy do I want to watch it day in and day out no thanks
00:26:45.42
Adz
in True, true. but that But you look at...
00:26:53.43
Adz
It's the the paces. I don't know. They're still chippy.
00:27:02.98
Adz
don't know. I like the fact that they're versatile. They're a Swiss Army knife that's just lost the knife or just lost the hilt.
00:27:06.64
Russell Gibson
fine Fine.
00:27:10.34
Adz
One or the other. i don't know.
00:27:10.94
Russell Gibson
It's fine. You can watch them. ah I respect you.
00:27:12.55
Adz
ah will.
00:27:13.02
Russell Gibson
It's fine. Alrighty. Jalen Williams, gold vinyl from Optic. One of one, BGS 7.5. And the Andrew and Nem brand, Black Prism one of one.
00:27:26.23
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:26.53
Russell Gibson
Sold for $2,500.
00:27:31.34
Russell Gibson
Look, this is a tricky one because it's not a one for one comparison being it's Optic Continuous versus Prism. And
00:27:37.64
Adz
Mm. Mm.
00:27:38.36
Russell Gibson
The black for Prism is an insanely collectible card. Ah, I didn't actually pick that up when I... So it's actually graded authentic. It doesn't have a PC grade on it.
00:27:50.33
Russell Gibson
I'm going to go with the Jalen Williams just for the fact that it's of a much more significant player.
00:27:59.70
Russell Gibson
But I would probably say the card with the highest upside is the Andrew card just for the fact it's the black
00:28:04.33
Adz
um I think the NEM brand, it's a black one-on-one.
00:28:09.83
Russell Gibson
Jalen Williams could be all NBA eight times by the end of his career.
00:28:16.28
Adz
That's a very, very, very valid point.
00:28:18.20
Russell Gibson
You know what I mean?
00:28:18.47
Adz
um
00:28:18.72
Russell Gibson
That's like, what do you want? Do you want the better card of the, you know, the crapper player?
00:28:23.89
Adz
I don't know.
00:28:23.99
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah.
00:28:24.53
Adz
I think NEM brands underrated. And underrate and the the thing about this is they are so young.
00:28:30.61
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:28:32.64
Adz
They're so young. They're not even in, this is not even their their leap season. Next year is their leap season. Nembrand could, you know what? Nemhard could become
00:28:46.60
Adz
that guy. It could be the new, the new, the Tyrese filler makes him a better guard, makes him a better facilitator.
00:28:57.84
Russell Gibson
I actually thought Ben Shepard was going to get the lion's share of those minutes.
00:28:58.06
Adz
Nice.
00:29:02.15
Adz
Interesting, isn't it?
00:29:02.99
Russell Gibson
ah
00:29:03.21
Adz
Although, ah but but but look at the look at the job um the Nemhard did on on SGA.
00:29:11.53
Adz
Jalen Williams needed to really step up because SGA was getting towed up by Nemhard. I don't know. the The Indiana side of it for me is I really like that team and I'm sad that they've lost their engines.
00:29:28.57
Adz
the engine
00:29:30.51
Russell Gibson
So ah ESPN is actually predicting what you just said, that Nemahard will be in the starting lineup as the point guard. Mathryon will be the starting shooting guard.
00:29:40.73
Russell Gibson
Nesmith at the three.
00:29:40.99
Adz
Yep.
00:29:42.27
Russell Gibson
Drees Walker, for some reason, at the four.
00:29:42.37
Adz
Yep.
00:29:44.11
Russell Gibson
And Miles Turner. I think Spicy P will be back at power forward.
00:29:46.72
Adz
I think Spicy P will be back there, yeah.
00:29:47.29
Russell Gibson
So maybe you read into that what you want. But um yeah, look.
00:29:50.77
Adz
Well, I'll tell you what, if the Pacers won the the championship, Pascal Siakam's the one that was going to win finals MVP. Anyway.
00:29:56.96
Russell Gibson
God, that would have triggered me hard. Alrighty. So moving forward, the next 12 months for the Pacers, I want to just touch on this just, you know, very briefly.
00:30:02.08
Adz
Anyway.
00:30:07.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:09.45
Russell Gibson
What moves do you think the Pacers are going to do for the next 12 months? Can you see any trades or free agent signings that they might do?
00:30:19.60
Adz
Well, they're not getting Chris Paul because Chris Paul wants to live closer to home. Imagine that. I'm going replace Tyrese Halliburton with Chris Paul for a year.
00:30:27.73
Russell Gibson
So i don't, So the Celtics have bottomed bottom out their roster in terms of salary. i shouldn't say bottom out. They've cut costs on their roster.
00:30:35.90
Adz
They've cleaned out some some some excess things there. Apparently they're not done, but whatever. They're shopping Jalen Brown
00:30:44.09
Russell Gibson
let' We'll save that for next week.
00:30:45.26
Adz
next week.
00:30:46.42
Russell Gibson
so But the really interesting one for me is Miles Turner. So we can talk about this a little bit. He's currently a free agent. Now, this season, he was getting paid $19 million.
00:30:53.26
Adz
He'll resign. Mm.
00:30:54.85
Russell Gibson
dollars But this is like actually quite interesting, though. So in comparison, Halliburton's getting paid $42, and so is Spicy P. So I think the absolute worst case scenario he gets paid is like $30.
00:31:05.17
Russell Gibson
thirty If they pay him $30, though, that will push them right up to the luxury tax number. And considering they're from a small market, traditionally have never paid the luxury tax.
00:31:17.12
Adz
I asked this during the middle at once when Halliburton was being assessed as soon as was confirmed as an Achilles I may have messaged a friend and said turn it to LA dot dot dot too soon yeah
00:31:31.16
Russell Gibson
So really interesting. So NemHard is actually getting paid 18 million next year. Like, And that doesn't include the salary of Isaiah Jackson, James Johnson, maybe he won't come back.
00:31:41.04
Adz
hmm
00:31:43.20
Russell Gibson
Thomas Bryant, I thought he was pretty good for them, maybe. So I think they're going to be...
00:31:48.00
Adz
They struggled at the big spot. I think they're going to throw some money at Turner. I think, no, but if this is an Indiana window, they've got to spend.
00:31:55.31
Russell Gibson
But is it a window now that Halliburton's not going to be there for 12 months?
00:31:58.34
Adz
Look how young they are.
00:31:58.43
Russell Gibson
This is the...
00:31:59.18
Adz
So has Turner got two years of good good basketball in him?
00:31:59.72
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:32:02.32
Russell Gibson
He's only 29.
00:32:02.46
Adz
Spicy P got two.
00:32:03.58
Russell Gibson
He's only 29. He's one of those weird guys where it seems like he's 35. Yeah. yeah
00:32:09.39
Adz
So I do think there's an element of what do we do here?
00:32:14.17
Russell Gibson
See, okay. I think the best case scenario is...
00:32:15.33
Adz
ah don't I don't think they blow it up. I don't think they blow it up.
00:32:18.35
Russell Gibson
No, okay, that's fine. I agree with you on that. But I actually think the best case scenario is Chris Paul comes in on one year, they get like an injury exception for Halliburton.
00:32:26.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:27.39
Russell Gibson
That to me is... I think it'll never happen, but that will to me be the perfect...
00:32:31.58
Adz
Chris Paul says, i want to live closer to home and then plays in Indiana.
00:32:34.11
Russell Gibson
25 minutes, like 25 minutes a game, Chris Paul comes in.
00:32:34.82
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:38.09
Russell Gibson
You know, that's all they need. Just someone to like be good for them.
00:32:43.52
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:32:43.55
Adz
It'd be interesting to see Chris Paul to go there and teach like the likes of all the young guards had to how to play better.
00:32:50.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think looking ahead to next year, the two that I've earmarked is Ben Shepard and Matthew.
00:32:58.65
Adz
Yeah, Matherin needs to take a step.
00:32:58.71
Russell Gibson
And of these guys are on. Yeah, neither of these guys are on card letter. I had a really quick look on 130 point.
00:33:05.94
Adz
Yep.
00:33:06.06
Russell Gibson
I found a few sales here. Silver raw for 650. This is for Mathurin.
00:33:12.00
Adz
Yep.
00:33:12.82
Russell Gibson
$8 for a raw, $7 for a hyper. These are all raw, sorry. I won't just keep saying raw. $12.50 for a silver, $8 for a silver, PSA 10 61. Yep. ah ps a ten for sixty one
00:33:25.50
Adz
So it's like the, it's, it's literally the the eight to $10 mark versus plus $50 for grading.
00:33:29.00
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah. I don't mind that for 60 bucks. Actually, i think that's like a that's a nice little gamble.
00:33:34.88
Adz
Oh, I'll take that. I take that's a good. Yeah.
00:33:36.90
Russell Gibson
I think if you're gambling on someone with a bit of upside, like he had a huge game with 27 points, whatever it was.
00:33:40.81
Adz
Yeah. He can output.
00:33:43.89
Russell Gibson
so
00:33:43.93
Adz
He was one of the ones I thought in game seven that if he switches it on and starts getting hot, the paces could could really have a crack here.
00:33:48.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:51.12
Russell Gibson
Now, looking ahead to the next 12 months, this is taking into account what you said before and also what ESPN said. This is Ben Shepard.
00:33:56.90
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:57.85
Russell Gibson
Silver's at $1.45.
00:34:00.84
Russell Gibson
a select silver patch. That's a napkin patch, but it's a jumbo for $2. Another silver for $1.50, a dollar fifty ah select silver for $2, a red, white, and blue for a dollar. Like this guy's literally in the dollar bins.
00:34:14.04
Russell Gibson
I think if you're looking for some low end prospects on someone who's going to get a lot more opportunity next year for obviously all the wrong reasons, but it's still going to happen.
00:34:20.12
Adz
a
00:34:22.81
Russell Gibson
I think, yeah, Matthew and Ben Shepard, And Nemhard. And look, actually, now that I've looked at his contract numbers, I think Nemhard is the obvious one.
00:34:33.74
Russell Gibson
And I didn't have that in the run sheet, but i missed that when I was doing prep.
00:34:37.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:37.97
Russell Gibson
If you're paying someone $18 million dollars a year and your starter has just injured themselves, why why would you not play him for 35 minutes a game?
00:34:48.19
Adz
Get value for money out of him.
00:34:49.42
Russell Gibson
Right? Right?
00:34:49.73
Adz
And he's guy and he showed his he showed flashes of being able to it.
00:34:54.02
Russell Gibson
Shepard is, he's two years younger though. He's going to get paid 2.7 next year and 5 million the year after.
00:35:01.01
Adz
Yep.
00:35:01.94
Russell Gibson
So look, maybe Shepard and Nemahart is what we should be looking at. All right, let's go for a break.
00:35:06.97
Adz
Agreed.
00:35:08.97
Russell Gibson
US Sports Cards Australia, thank you very much for your ongoing love and support to our show.
00:35:18.47
Russell Gibson
We are very grateful for you coming on and giving us your ongoing sponsorship.
00:35:18.80
Adz
Yep.
00:35:24.08
Russell Gibson
Now, Ross has got some exciting updates. Now, last week we spoke about the member who used the promo card, promo card you can't cop this, and that means you get a free submission.
00:35:34.95
Adz
yep
00:35:36.40
Russell Gibson
So in the in the instance we cited, it was like 600 plus cards, Six cents a card is the normal price. That was all 100% free. Now, this week, Ross has had another massive submission, and he's also been doing pretty well with the sales too. So at the moment, for Ross, he's very, very happy with how it's all going.
00:35:55.44
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.
00:35:55.71
Russell Gibson
Don't forget, when you send you and in your submission form, all you need to do is write anywhere on the form, you can't comp this, It means you get a free submission. Please take advantage of this.
00:36:06.44
Russell Gibson
What we're talking about here is all the cards that are sitting in a box in your room. They're not going to be sold. You don't want to list them. Ross will take care of that for you. Put them on to check out my cards, Australia.
00:36:17.22
Russell Gibson
He'll multi-platform list them, all that type of stuff that he does for you. It's all taken care of. Money goes into your account. Also on their page, they've got sports breaks, hobby boxes, collectible protection, sports memorabilia, and toys.
00:36:31.21
Russell Gibson
Obviously not as good collectible protection as what Comron's got at GTI, but that's okay. We can look past that. Maybe we need to get a deal between GTI and US Sports Cards Australia.
00:36:45.08
Adz
Maybe.
00:36:47.28
Russell Gibson
Ross can be the distributor.
00:36:49.59
Adz
like it.
00:36:50.42
Russell Gibson
That's a great idea.
00:36:51.87
Adz
Very clever.
00:36:52.00
Russell Gibson
um i might need to be a a middleman for something.
00:36:52.35
Adz
um
00:37:01.71
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we are back. Adam, how are you doing?
00:37:05.53
Adz
I'm very good. I'm very good.
00:37:07.08
Russell Gibson
Are you refreshed? That's the real question. Because normally about this point in the show, we start having some drinks and...
00:37:09.98
Adz
Very refreshed.
00:37:12.24
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:37:12.74
Adz
It's easy to get parched by this stage of the show, but I'm good. I'm tracking well.
00:37:18.40
Russell Gibson
Alright, so let's just do a little bit of setting the background for this segment. So we're going to be talking about WNBA product at the moment. Just for some context of what's happening at Panini, obviously their license is running out in, well, it's really three months now, isn't it?
00:37:35.41
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:35.94
Russell Gibson
October is when Fanatics will be doing their day one release.
00:37:41.51
Adz
Yep.
00:37:43.22
Russell Gibson
So that means that Panini is left with less favorable licenses. And that's what they've been doing. They've been sort of zigging while Fanatics has been zagging. They've kept WNBA.
00:37:55.53
Russell Gibson
They've got some boxing licenses. They've got some soccer stuff still of some sort of lesser leagues. And if you haven't been following the WNBA landscape, Caitlin Clark is the equivalent of Michael Jackson.
00:38:11.52
Russell Gibson
of the the world of sports and entertainment. Like she's literally 4X the attendance and also the TV views that the WNBA has been getting. And the first time basically ever the league has actually made a profit.
00:38:21.54
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:38:24.68
Russell Gibson
So, A lot of that has been attributed to Caitlin Clark, like other small things that she's done, you know, sold out all of her jerseys.
00:38:27.09
Adz
Wow.
00:38:32.82
Russell Gibson
They had to move Caitlin Clark games into bigger arenas because all the tickets sold out. Like, it's just sort of like on and on.
00:38:38.86
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:39.20
Russell Gibson
People love Caitlin Clark. Anyway, Panini also loves Caitlin Clark and she's been exclusively signed with them.
00:38:40.86
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:45.72
Russell Gibson
So they're basically just squeezing out as much juice from the orange as they can get.
00:38:49.09
Adz
Mm.
00:38:49.29
Russell Gibson
So they've done... Origins, Prism, they've done Select. They've just announced they're going to be doing Donruss. So this is not normal for WNBA. Normally it's one or two releases a year.
00:39:00.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:02.05
Russell Gibson
And now they've just released this product called WNBA Royalty. And the basically the premise of this, it's a high-end chronicles. And we're in the past, we've spoken about like what was my hobby dream.
00:39:13.25
Russell Gibson
My hobby dream was to see a high-end chronicles, which was like exquisite, flawless, all the different card types. This is obviously a fantasy.
00:39:23.10
Adz
yeah
00:39:23.63
Russell Gibson
It's a dream, but that was like, that was my dream. And actually to a a degree, Panini have done this for WNBA. It is national treasures. It's one-on-one. So it's got the downtowns.
00:39:34.95
Russell Gibson
It's got the playoff autograph cards in it. So that's out of contenders.
00:39:38.64
Adz
Yep.
00:39:39.84
Russell Gibson
It's got the vertical RPAs in it, obviously out of NT. And so
00:39:43.45
Adz
Yep.
00:39:45.58
Russell Gibson
The next thing comes to pricing. So in the last 12 months, WNBA Prism has been more expensive than NBA Prism. And again, just for some context on that, normally WNBA is about three times more expensive than WNBA.
00:40:00.70
Russell Gibson
So obviously that's completely flipped on its head.
00:40:04.38
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:04.62
Russell Gibson
And you know the normal thing with accessing product is it's you know it's it's really hard to get MBA. So this year it's really easy to get MBA.
00:40:10.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:12.37
Russell Gibson
This year it's really hard to get WNBA. Everybody wanted it.
00:40:16.10
Adz
Crazy, isn't it?
00:40:17.32
Russell Gibson
Breakers were fighting over it, you know, la, la, la. Secondary market was, you know, really high. So what Panini are doing for this product, it's being released, I believe, exclusively on the Dutch auction.
00:40:29.31
Russell Gibson
And so if you want to
00:40:30.17
Adz
Wow.
00:40:32.95
Russell Gibson
if you want to make a comparison between Panini and Fanatics, I feel like this is out of the Fanatics playbook because then that way you completely cut out all the middlemen.
00:40:35.09
Adz
Mm.
00:40:45.19
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:45.69
Russell Gibson
You sell it all on your website and you just send it straight out to people. There's no middleman, just panini straight to the consumer. Also with the Dutch auction, they're starting it at $30,000 USD per box.
00:40:59.03
Russell Gibson
And the floor of it is $3,000 a box. And keeping in mind, the format of the boxes is two cards, similar to what one and one is. So,
00:41:11.78
Russell Gibson
let's just say you get a box for 5,000 USD, which is way higher than pretty much anything that's come out of NBA, like the last 12 months, obviously with the exception of flawless, IMAC wasn't that expensive. National treasures definitely wasn't that expensive. It wasn't 5,000 USD a box.
00:41:33.35
Adz
That's insane.
00:41:33.54
Russell Gibson
Like it's insane. And i so the other thing too, is if we're making a
00:41:37.91
Adz
I'm looking good at this, this Instagram post. Like I'm just, just watching the video.
00:41:41.96
Russell Gibson
So if you look at if you look at the high-end cards and you hit one of those cards, that's fine. like ah you know you'll be You'll be happy.
00:41:51.89
Adz
can i Can I make the point that if you don't hit Caitlin Clark, you might not be happy?
00:41:55.83
Russell Gibson
This is the thing, right? And this is where I want to go to next. So if we think about what happened to one-on-one in the last 12 months, and I'm actually glad that we're talking about this because I've sort of wanted to get this off my chest a little bit.
00:42:08.64
Russell Gibson
Essentially, it was one card per box because the base card this year, it wasn't... So in previous years, it was a 130-point card, and it was a beautiful card. It was in the one touch, and it had the nice pinini seal on it, and it was lovely.
00:42:22.56
Russell Gibson
So this year, what happened was they were like 35-point cards, They went into the one-touch bend and then they were moving around during trans transport. So what would happen?
00:42:33.42
Russell Gibson
And it didn't just happen to me. It happened to other breakers too.
00:42:36.08
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:36.89
Russell Gibson
You take the card out of the box and it's like halfway jammed down the one-touch. Then you have to open it up. When you open it up, yeah, that's when you realize it's actually not...
00:42:42.00
Adz
That's ridiculous.
00:42:45.56
Russell Gibson
a one 30 point card. So essentially like it just, do you know what i mean Like, so it's a, I'm using my like air quotes now.
00:42:47.56
Adz
that's That's not on. Yeah.
00:42:51.58
Russell Gibson
It's a high end product, but then they substitute, know, the base card, like with a really badly manufactured and then distributed card.
00:42:55.58
Adz
Trash with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:00.83
Russell Gibson
And And look, and this is probably just my own like personal bias here. I actually really like the base one-on-one cards. I think they're beautiful cards in hand.
00:43:09.67
Adz
Sure.
00:43:09.77
Russell Gibson
different The photography is lovely. I think the finish of it is absolutely beautiful.
00:43:13.84
Adz
Mm-mm.
00:43:14.35
Russell Gibson
And often they're really like cheap cards. like No one gives a fuck about these cards. So you you know you pick them up out of like dollar boxes and $10 boxes, maybe like a $20 box, or you pick them up cheap off eBay. and And they're just kind of like nice to have in a box. Maybe you can use them as traders.
00:43:29.83
Russell Gibson
you know, maybe you can put them in as like skunk prize.
00:43:30.37
Adz
True.
00:43:31.63
Russell Gibson
You know what i mean Like they're just kind of like nice, like super nice filler cards.
00:43:35.73
Adz
Mm-mm-mm.
00:43:36.47
Russell Gibson
Whereas now, like this year, they've just like, I really feel like it's a middle finger to the the people who are, you know, buying those boxes and stuff. All right. So anyway, so I've completely segued here.
00:43:43.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:45.47
Russell Gibson
Let's go back to, you know, WMV. So what my fear is, you don't get ah downtown. You don't get
00:43:52.73
Adz
A kaboom.
00:43:53.88
Russell Gibson
You don't get a kaboom. You don't get ah a vertical ah RPA. You get some random veteran autograph and a crappy like base card that's bent and jammed into the one touch.
00:43:57.93
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:04.42
Russell Gibson
Like that to me is, and you've, okay, let's just, let's just, you know, really doomsday this and you paid $30,000 the Yeah.
00:44:05.11
Adz
A great, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:12.30
Adz
30,000 US for a box and you end up with with ah with with crap.
00:44:13.63
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:44:16.58
Russell Gibson
Like, I think, and for me, also where the nightmare is, is like, what was so fun about WNBA was they used to be $300 boxes.
00:44:24.49
Adz
Cheap.
00:44:26.18
Russell Gibson
And it genuinely felt like... you were getting good value out of each and every box. Like, yeah, of course there's always stinker boxes. I'm not trying to sit here and be like, oh yeah, back in the day, every single box was awesome.
00:44:37.26
Russell Gibson
No, it wasn't like every single box wasn't awesome, but it was way better than $30,000 for two cards.
00:44:41.94
Adz
Yeah, exactly.
00:44:45.23
Russell Gibson
So look, I'm really, really, really torn on this. And
00:44:49.86
Adz
yeah agree. I think, um yeah, it's tough.
00:44:54.38
Russell Gibson
I did a feed during the week and I was speculating. i was like, look, what would I be happy to pay for these boxes? i was like 2000 Aussie. But if the floor is 3000 US, that's four and a half thousand Aussie.
00:45:08.56
Russell Gibson
Then you need to pay taxes and all the rest of it.
00:45:08.89
Adz
Panini dreaming. This is just an example of Panini trying to money grab.
00:45:11.04
Russell Gibson
Like,
00:45:15.84
Russell Gibson
well, I, I wonder if it's, It's of course, everything, everything that fanatics does is a money grab. Everything Pani does money. Let's just like, let's just move that out of the way.
00:45:27.74
Adz
Yeah, I get that they're trying to make money, but this is a step too far.
00:45:27.82
Russell Gibson
But I, yeah, but I wonder if this is like, no, but I think, okay. So add, no, but add, this is okay. This is what I think about that is I think they're cutting out the middleman, right?
00:45:39.28
Russell Gibson
So now they are the middleman.
00:45:39.77
Adz
Yeah, okay.
00:45:41.04
Russell Gibson
They're the distributor and they're the middleman in this particular equation. If they're doing an old, if that's a hundred percent Dutch auction and no allocation,
00:45:49.54
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:51.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's what that is there. I saw a Facebook post about this and someone was complaining, saying that, oh, Panini promised us there was going to be no other rookies for this. And that's why we spent heavily on Prism, Select and Origins.
00:46:06.53
Russell Gibson
And now they feel like their other cards are being devalued. But I don't think that's true because either it's collectible or it's not. And now they've just literally produced...
00:46:20.30
Russell Gibson
all of the really, really collectible cards for a very high end rookie class downtowns, Kabooms, vertical RPAs.
00:46:26.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:29.75
Adz
Sure.
00:46:29.79
Russell Gibson
Like that's the stuff that people want. I don't think that that devalues prism at at all. i think that's a different collectible pie altogether.
00:46:40.56
Russell Gibson
Maybe the one where it does devalue is origins.
00:46:40.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:42.80
Russell Gibson
So you've got like your RPAs out of origins or maybe your sticker select autograph, because now you've got an on card NT autograph, you know, maybe that's what you see, but I don't.
00:46:43.55
Adz
Maybe.
00:46:55.49
Adz
But i still I still double down on the fact that, and and I'm going to call a spade a spade, if you don't pull Caitlin Clark, you're not getting value.
00:47:06.07
Russell Gibson
hundred percent.
00:47:06.89
Adz
Because we we obviously, we rebutted when sports cards nonsense were talking about the only people in the NBA that are worth getting are Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James.
00:47:09.75
Russell Gibson
That's like Wemby. That's like Wemby...
00:47:17.24
Adz
Everybody else is not worth investing in. we're not We're not that extreme, but we're we're literally, it's one play up. She's rejuvenated the interest, but it's there's no market yet.
00:47:24.55
Russell Gibson
In WNBA...
00:47:28.67
Adz
You can't put the price up and make it unattainable for people when the interest has just been sparked. They're shooting them themselves in the foot.
00:47:36.44
Russell Gibson
No, but i I think that's not a bad thing to say. ah So my comment to that would be that if it wasn't for Caitlin Clark, these boxes would be $1,000, not $30,000.
00:47:48.11
Adz
i You reckon they'd be 1,000 still?
00:47:51.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, probably.
00:47:53.30
Adz
All right, do you think the WNBA would be profit profiting right now if Caitlin Clark wasn't in the league?
00:47:53.54
Russell Gibson
Like, NT, Kaboom.
00:47:57.60
Russell Gibson
No, no, definitely not. I'm just trying to say, like, you know, just for context, because there's still Cameron Brink.
00:47:59.52
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:02.53
Russell Gibson
There's Angel Reeses, which people love to hate on. you know And there's another good rookie class that you know that's going to be coming through.
00:48:08.08
Adz
Sure.
00:48:10.48
Russell Gibson
But yeah, no definitely not.
00:48:11.85
Adz
But i want I want someone to show me a and a WNBA card of one of these other players that has sold for tens of thousands of dollars.
00:48:12.44
Russell Gibson
But...
00:48:18.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:21.35
Russell Gibson
No, no, definitely not. There's there's literally nothing.
00:48:23.90
Adz
So that's what I'm saying. Like a Brink Kaboom might get you 500 bucks, but is that gonna, that $30,000 buy-in, is that worth it?
00:48:33.54
Russell Gibson
No, it's going to really tough. So I actually wonder if the play on this is you just let this let this all play out and then you hit the secondary market and you hit it hard.
00:48:42.77
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
00:48:43.29
Russell Gibson
So you're like, look, my budget was $5,000 I was going to spend on breaks.
00:48:48.02
Adz
Can I make fun of Panini and say that this is the Gary Vee Vee Friends release basically?
00:48:48.68
Russell Gibson
Okay?
00:48:56.59
Russell Gibson
Look, in my opinion, this is a million times better than Gary Vee.
00:48:56.63
Adz
Anyway.
00:49:02.85
Russell Gibson
And that that statement may come back to haunt me in the future when it comes to future purchase pricing and all this stuff that he's been talking about. He's trying to market.
00:49:14.59
Russell Gibson
Oh, no, I'm no i'm not going into that.
00:49:15.84
Adz
No, no, no.
00:49:16.39
Russell Gibson
I'm not doing it.
00:49:16.47
Adz
I don't mean to trigger I just...
00:49:17.20
Russell Gibson
we're We're going to a break. We're going to a break. Let's go to a break.
00:49:28.88
Russell Gibson
Oh man, I was about to go into the whole, because have you heard what he's going to do
00:49:33.38
Adz
No, i don't follow the guy.
00:49:34.42
Russell Gibson
So he's building card playing game and all these shitty character drawings that he's done are based on like integrity and honesty and hardworking and bravery.
00:49:34.70
Adz
I just...
00:49:43.92
Russell Gibson
It's just like a total, like,
00:49:47.34
Adz
Good luck trying to beat Pokemon, you twit. Anyway.
00:49:51.43
Russell Gibson
anyway.
00:49:56.51
Russell Gibson
We are back. Adam, are you pumped up for the last segment of this week's show?
00:50:01.44
Adz
Certainly am.
00:50:02.48
Russell Gibson
We didn't go down the Gary V rabbit hole, but that's okay. We are going to go down my favorite alleyway to go down, and that is the Shadenfreude alleyway. We're going to talk about a young man who was handcuffed and carried out of a trading card show by his arms and legs.
00:50:27.46
Russell Gibson
Young man, you're going to steal stuff, probably just fess up to it when you get caught. Have some self-respect. Let the cops put the handcuffs on you and just walk out.
00:50:39.26
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:40.49
Russell Gibson
Instead of being posted viral, millions and millions of times, from millions, unless millions is not the right, from multiple angles.
00:50:47.97
Adz
Well, the funny thing is one of the one of the one of the one of the shots, there's actually someone else recording it. somebody In the comments, it's got, this is the seventh different angle. I've seen of this.
00:50:57.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's great.
00:50:58.73
Adz
but There's someone actually in the background filming it.
00:51:00.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's fantastic. Look, I think there's so many different ways to get screwed in this hobby. And I need to be careful the way I say this.
00:51:13.84
Russell Gibson
As far as I'm aware, in Melbourne, this is not a big problem. As far as I'm aware, most people go to hobby shows. They're pretty honest.
00:51:24.35
Russell Gibson
And this type of stuff doesn't really go down, but it's always good.
00:51:27.88
Adz
Yeah.
00:51:28.66
Russell Gibson
You need to keep your faculties, you know.
00:51:31.66
Adz
I think people are aware though, right? Like people, you've got to have that level of of common sense to, yes, we have an amazing group of people in this hobby.
00:51:34.23
Russell Gibson
We should be aware. Yeah.
00:51:41.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:51:44.12
Adz
But if you're carrying things that are worth a lot of money, look after them.
00:51:48.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. We don't want to like, you know, over dramatize. However, what I do want to enjoy, and I just want to sit down and enjoy, I'm just watching this video as it's like, it's going over.
00:51:56.44
Adz
It's looping.
00:51:56.71
Russell Gibson
but
00:51:57.32
Adz
I'm just, yeah.
00:51:57.38
Russell Gibson
We just need to enjoy this man getting caught and being carried out by his legs.
00:52:01.90
Adz
When you sent me the link to to Pokemon Thief Gets Caught and dragged out, I'm like, finally, the person that's been breaking breaking into all the shops in Melbourne's been caught.
00:52:07.97
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:52:11.58
Adz
And i'm like, it's not that guy.
00:52:12.27
Russell Gibson
this Just makes me happy. It really just makes me happy. Anyway, look, I hope all the owners got their stuff back. and All right, let's move on.
00:52:18.91
Adz
Agreed. Good news.
00:52:20.79
Russell Gibson
GameStop. GameStop is the EB Games of America. If you're following them, I don't know, say and maybe five years ago, there was...
00:52:28.45
Adz
Goodbye to... good goodbye to... Goodbye Goodbye to... pat Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
00:52:36.51
Russell Gibson
a huge thing where people on Reddit went through and bought up all their stock and essentially saved the company. As a result, they've got an absolute boatload of cash to spend.
00:52:42.25
Adz
yeah
00:52:48.27
Russell Gibson
And so i think as the video games market is changing, so for example, Switch 2 games now don't come in cartridges.
00:52:48.35
Adz
and yeah
00:52:57.58
Russell Gibson
you Even if you buy the the game from the shop, you get a a code.
00:53:01.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:03.57
Russell Gibson
And then you download it. So like you can clearly feel the whole market changing for GameStop EB games.
00:53:10.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:11.06
Russell Gibson
They are now going all in on trading cards. um Really interesting listening to this guy i talk about what they're doing with, you know, cards. They're doing submissions to PSAs. They're going to be buying up Pokemon cards and they're also going to be stocking a lot more cards.
00:53:29.13
Adz
Singles or...
00:53:30.68
Russell Gibson
Singles and also sealed product. EB Games has always dabbled in holding sealed product, but I've now heard that they're going to be getting allocations of hobby and they're also going to be holding a lot more retail stock on a day-to-day basis.
00:53:37.70
Adz
Mm.
00:53:42.11
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:46.64
Adz
Okay.
00:53:47.62
Russell Gibson
So I sort of wonder if, you know, if you're EB Games, why wouldn't you copy... the business model of a large chain overseas who have then, you know, they've done all the research that they can.
00:54:02.87
Adz
well Well, there are Magic the Gathering singles at EB Games.
00:54:06.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:06.41
Adz
My local EB Games has trading card singles, yeah.
00:54:08.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like, you know what they've done all the work, hard work for you. They've spent, you know, millions of dollars doing all the research, you know, why not just copy all this stuff? I also think too, that the trends are going to be very similar between us and Australia.
00:54:19.72
Russell Gibson
In fact, I would say it's going to be identical.
00:54:22.18
Adz
be a parallel, yeah, for sure. the but Like, we we we do follow, yeah.
00:54:23.83
Russell Gibson
If you believe, yeah, if you believe the Gary Vee, the fanatics thing of like the trading cards collectible scene is at its infancy and it's now going to be climbing up the hill, why wouldn't you try and get your foot into that space? Like to me, that's just absolute logic.
00:54:40.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:41.74
Russell Gibson
My question for you is is, where do you think that the hobby currently is? Let's just say there's the the hill, right? that Gary V talks about, where are we on the hill? Are we halfway up? Are we at the bottom? Are we at the top? Like, what do you think?
00:54:57.28
Adz
I have a very different view on this in a holistic sense. I think there's an ebb and flow.
00:55:00.92
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
00:55:02.92
Adz
Um, I, I do think over the years things go up. Then there is little troughs and occasionally plateaus. I think this is, we're at a stage where the hobby is evolving again.
00:55:14.55
Adz
Um, when I, I was speaking, i was speaking to boy the boys at fast break on the weekend about this very, very factor. Pokemon is, is experiencing a bit of a change at the moment.
00:55:26.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah,
00:55:26.92
Adz
Um, with, with graded cards being the big thing, right? Um, We went, we grew up or started our hobby journey in a, in, we call it the junk wax era, but there was a production of boxes of cards because like we liked ripping packs of 15.
00:55:48.16
Adz
The product has evolved.
00:55:50.00
Russell Gibson
yeah so
00:55:50.21
Adz
What's in the product then evolved. Like you've got that stage.
00:55:53.59
Russell Gibson
Can i interrupt you for two seconds? i also think that also depends on your budget because at that time, there was also exquisite.
00:55:59.04
Adz
Sure, sure. But in 1992, there were no patches.
00:55:59.92
Russell Gibson
Right? Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:03.18
Adz
It was ah a case hit was a one-off auto.
00:56:06.26
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:56:06.77
Adz
you know what i mean? Like an autograph was a one in six box chance. It wasn't, you never got autos.
00:56:12.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:13.47
Adz
And then by the end of the nineties, we had relics, we had autographs. We then had, parrot not just the one parallel, we went to five parallels.
00:56:21.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:23.77
Adz
We went to a rainbow that was seven or eight parallels. We're now at a point where there are 50 parallels. So every little bit of that evolves
00:56:28.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so, yeah.
00:56:32.03
Adz
We've got, I mean, it was short-lived, but it was an attempt at revolutionizing it with the NFTs.
00:56:37.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:38.51
Adz
Like Panini tried Panini instant. Tops have got Tops now. the the the The product keeps changing and it keeps evolving.
00:56:47.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:47.74
Adz
What I do think is there are more people getting into it these days because they see the value, the potential value um in looking after collectibles.
00:56:51.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:54.96
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah
00:56:59.07
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:57:00.27
Adz
So that's a really long-winded answer saying, I don't think it's growing.
00:57:02.36
Russell Gibson
No, no.
00:57:04.60
Adz
i think the people, more people are staying, but the actual, it's just an evolution. It's always been an evolution.
00:57:15.98
Russell Gibson
I actually, um I'm beginning to believe in the fanatics business model.
00:57:23.81
Adz
Ooh.
00:57:24.37
Russell Gibson
And I'm also beginning to believe in Gary Vee's
00:57:29.96
Russell Gibson
um opinion of it's like which is we're just starting.
00:57:34.21
Adz
Scratching the surface, a bit what it can be, I agree with.
00:57:35.25
Russell Gibson
So the reason why I'm starting but to believe that is, for example, I watch i i was i don't watch free-to-air TV.
00:57:37.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:45.00
Russell Gibson
I watch streaming services.
00:57:47.52
Adz
yeah
00:57:48.03
Russell Gibson
And I actually watch a lot of YouTube and I'm sort of not prepared to publicly admit the crap that I watch on YouTube, but I watch ah a lot of junk TV on YouTube, right?
00:58:00.77
Adz
Brain rot content.
00:58:02.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's just background noise while I'm working or tidying or whatever.
00:58:04.90
Adz
Sure, sure, sure.
00:58:05.93
Russell Gibson
Anyway, I just like, it's like the having the radio, ah what my grandma used to do, having like three AW on in the background. That's what I do with that.
00:58:11.58
Adz
Sure.
00:58:11.99
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:58:12.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:13.18
Russell Gibson
Um, yeah. I also am too tight to pay for YouTube premium. So I have all the ads and I get a range of ads between dog food, which I don't have a dog and retainer cleaning equipment.
00:58:18.74
Adz
You watch all the ads. Yep.
00:58:25.79
Russell Gibson
don't have retainer. I'm also now getting Disney, Locana trading card ads, right?
00:58:32.19
Adz
Yep.
00:58:33.19
Russell Gibson
And so very long winded of where I'm going with this. Do you remember the last advertisement that you saw on YouTube or any other streaming platform paid for by Panini in the last 12 years?
00:58:49.24
Adz
nope
00:58:50.00
Russell Gibson
Right. And so I think one of the things that Fanatics talked about in their in their book that they wrote before they took over the licenses Well, maybe they maybe they knew they had the licenses already, but they talked about doing things differently.
00:59:00.88
Adz
Nope.
00:59:05.41
Russell Gibson
They talked about growing the hobby and they talked about investing in the hobby and la, la, la, la. i think this is I think they've got a budget now for spending on advertising and you're seeing their footprint more around. So they've been in Times Square in New York.
00:59:20.37
Russell Gibson
I've seen the advertising stuff. I was driving down the freeway the other day. um, in St Kilda, they had a billboard up for ESPN.
00:59:31.85
Russell Gibson
And for, so and for some reason there was, there was some tops thing in the background on that.
00:59:31.92
Adz
Oh yeah, for Disney.
00:59:36.25
Russell Gibson
And whether that was like a combined promotion.
00:59:38.72
Adz
disney Disney had an ESPN because ESPN came to Disney.
00:59:42.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:59:43.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:44.22
Russell Gibson
So do you know what i mean? I do really think that all of that.
00:59:46.14
Adz
There's more of it in the spotlight. Yeah, for sure, for sure, definitely.
00:59:47.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And, and, you know,
00:59:50.05
Adz
Still shocked by your agreeing with Gary Vee, but...
00:59:53.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think he ruined Darren Fox for me, but I don't think he's a bad guy.
00:59:57.63
Adz
Fair.
00:59:58.26
Russell Gibson
You know what mean? So, look, i I really do think this is just the beginning, and I think they're going to find more ways to you know innovate and get in with people. And, like, for example, the Fanatics Fest, like, we didn't have a Panini Fest.
01:00:11.31
Adz
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's different.
01:00:11.91
Russell Gibson
And for all accounts and everything that I've seen on social media about the Fanatics Fest, that looked insane.
01:00:13.39
Adz
Yeah, again, yeah, for sure.
01:00:19.06
Russell Gibson
but It looked really good. You know, you can't take that away from them. If they're doing good things, we're going to give them compliments. If they're doing shit, you know, i think we should say the same thing. um Right, let's move on. Let's do our last card of the day. It is going to be our Jordan finisher.
01:00:37.97
Adz
I was going to say instead of the Jordan finisher, do we have a we have a different card or is it a Jordan?
01:00:43.34
Russell Gibson
I do have a Jordan, but if you'd like to do a different one from the list, we've got a few there.
01:00:44.37
Adz
Oh, you've got a Jordan. ah I saw i said there was there was a LeBron there. I'm like, can we switch it up and put a LeBron?
01:00:50.13
Russell Gibson
Well, okay, why don't we quick hit three and then we'll finish with the Jordan at the end. How about that? So we'll do the Steph Curry gold.
01:00:56.24
Adz
I like it. Yeah, let's do it. let's All right.
01:00:59.20
Russell Gibson
All right, cool.
01:01:00.18
Adz
Which one you want to do first?
01:01:00.20
Russell Gibson
So tops gold Curry
01:01:07.87
Russell Gibson
near mint to mint I think this is one of the best purchases that you can make in basketball at the moment. And I think this is this is the floor, as we were just talking about.
01:01:17.69
Adz
I want it.
01:01:21.29
Adz
I want it. I want it.
01:01:22.07
Russell Gibson
This sold for 5,200.
01:01:22.22
Adz
I want it.
01:01:24.92
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 171. Obviously, the maximum on this is going to be 2,009.
01:01:31.57
Adz
want it.
01:01:31.93
Russell Gibson
I think the fun thing for me is, like, what is his card going to go to? like if we've got Jordan selling for... you know, $25,000, $30,000 with population of what, at 8.5?
01:01:45.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:45.31
Adz
Yep. Mm-mm-mm.
01:01:45.85
Russell Gibson
five or six thousand
01:01:48.34
Adz
crazy, isn't it
01:01:52.03
Russell Gibson
why can't they go to twenty five thousand even at a b gs eight point five
01:01:58.83
Adz
it? Yeah, why can't that be a 50k card? Like, yeah, like, I agree.
01:02:05.36
Russell Gibson
yeah right cool. Done. Next on the list is a LeBron James Logoman NT BGS 9. That sold for $68,320 via Golden's auction.
01:02:19.72
Russell Gibson
Sold on June the 14th.
01:02:21.10
Adz
Number two five. Okay. Okay.
01:02:22.95
Russell Gibson
All right, so this one for me is interesting because it's a relatively early Logoman. You can even tell by the stitching. It's actually stitched together as opposed to kind of like the acrylic nonsense we get these days.
01:02:35.32
Russell Gibson
It's from 2012.
01:02:39.11
Russell Gibson
It's a Miami Heat logerman, which I think...
01:02:42.38
Adz
They values it.
01:02:43.64
Russell Gibson
It's a bit of a tricky one for me because I think that's where he went to become a champion.
01:02:47.90
Adz
Interesting.
01:02:49.03
Russell Gibson
However, he also left there go to the Cavs, to go to the Lakers.
01:02:52.39
Adz
Come back to the Cavs. Yeah.
01:02:53.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:57.22
Russell Gibson
Look...
01:02:57.38
Adz
I was going to say have to rank LeBron's destinations from first to last.
01:03:01.56
Russell Gibson
I actually... yeah
01:03:03.29
Adz
Where do you rank right Miami?
01:03:05.22
Russell Gibson
Well, was going to comp this to the Wemby Logoman that we spoke about recently and how much more that's sold for than his
01:03:14.70
Russell Gibson
Topps RPAs.
01:03:15.80
Adz
The auto. Yeah, okay.
01:03:17.41
Russell Gibson
And I think you need to put this into the same perspective because LeBron doesn't sign for Panini. And so if you're looking for the ultra high-end LeBron James cards, you know, really the Logoman, the flawless one-of-ones, obviously, with those like triple cards that they were doing,
01:03:25.70
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:03:28.52
Adz
Yeah, you're not gonna...
01:03:35.18
Russell Gibson
I think they're definitely up there, but like what else?
01:03:35.28
Adz
Yeah. Okay.
01:03:38.23
Russell Gibson
What's the next best card that you can get of LeBron James? Obviously, his rookie card.
01:03:43.19
Adz
Yeah, LeBron rookies.
01:03:43.42
Russell Gibson
like What else is there?
01:03:47.89
Adz
Yeah, you're right.
01:03:47.88
Russell Gibson
So maybe, actually, this is a far better purchase than...
01:03:51.56
Adz
Then has been...
01:03:52.42
Russell Gibson
we're sort of giving this credit for. I actually think this is like a very, very shrewd purchase.
01:03:54.75
Adz
Yeah, okay.
01:03:56.42
Russell Gibson
That was the main reason I wanted to put this one in.
01:03:59.33
Adz
ah like it.
01:03:59.42
Russell Gibson
All right guys, let's make this a ah listener question actually. So guys, can you please, I'll put up a post for this this week, but please comment on it. What do you think is the most desirable, the top five desirable LeBron James trading cards? Yeah.
01:04:15.41
Adz
Yep.
01:04:15.93
Russell Gibson
i Actually, let's make it top four because I think, obviously, let's take out his his rookie, you know, his top Chrome rookie cards. I think let's just get that out of the way. That's obvious.
01:04:24.13
Adz
gay Yeah, yeah.
01:04:24.20
Russell Gibson
the less The less obvious, you know, next ones. Because I really think, yeah, the Grail LeBron cards.
01:04:26.87
Adz
The Grail Chasers. I reckon we'll get a variety.
01:04:30.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like, what should we be collecting?
01:04:30.59
Adz
Yeah, LeBron.
01:04:32.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:32.48
Adz
Well, I think we've got different generations of LeBron collectors as well. We've got the Miami, we've got the Cleveland, and we've got the the Los Angeles.
01:04:36.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:38.56
Adz
so
01:04:39.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:39.25
Adz
And we've got the just LeBron is LeBron. Like, doesn't matter what who we played for.
01:04:42.76
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:04:44.39
Adz
But that'll be it'll be interesting to get in a ah variety of opinions.
01:04:47.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
01:04:48.10
Adz
So, yeah. Let us know. Anyone watching on YouTube, pop it in the comments.
01:04:51.97
Russell Gibson
What should you be buying? Yep.
01:04:53.67
Adz
Yeah. Anyone on the listening platforms, get onto Facebook, get on Instagram and and comment when Russell puts it up.
01:05:00.05
Russell Gibson
Giddy up. Alrighty. 1996 Metal Michael Jordan Molten Metal. PSA 10. Population 29. Sold for $10,800. $10,800.
01:05:10.82
Adz
It's a very dark card.
01:05:12.53
Russell Gibson
Not the best photograph on this. I think that's more to do with the photography than the actual card.
01:05:17.33
Adz
Molten metal silhouette by the look of it.
01:05:17.49
Russell Gibson
Look.
01:05:19.53
Adz
Jesus.
01:05:19.65
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, the thing is, is like, is 10,000 actually a good buy or a bad buy? going to go with a good, just for the fact that the very low population on this. I don't think the multi-metals are like the greatest insert ever, especially now we're starting to look at more and more of these Jordan inserts.
01:05:34.23
Adz
No.
01:05:37.48
Russell Gibson
I feel like I'm sort of getting my head around some of these like nineties inserts now. However, I think that's a really good purchase. I think that particular type of card, I think the design is good. I think the population is excellent.
01:05:49.33
Russell Gibson
I think, again, that's a very shrewd purchase. I would have preferred it at 1,000, that's for sure, or 200 that it was selling for in 2012, but we can let that ride.
01:05:52.39
Adz
For sure.
01:06:00.39
Adz
Nice one.
01:06:01.10
Russell Gibson
all right, final thoughts, Ed.
01:06:03.03
Adz
Final thoughts. It's going to be a busy off season. Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Well done to SGA on, I mean, I can't, ah I'm going to get yelled at by by that listener that that lost it lot lost it at us last time for having the bias. So,
01:06:23.84
Adz
um No, SGA, he's accomplished something only very few players have in getting the scoring title, the the finals MVP, the MVP.
01:06:32.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:06:33.23
Adz
He's had phenomenal season. I still think he's the second best player in the world, but he's deserving winner of all those.
01:06:41.38
Russell Gibson
Who's your number one?
01:06:42.81
Adz
Nikola Jokic.
01:06:42.95
Russell Gibson
LeBron James.
01:06:44.17
Adz
Nikola Jokic.
01:06:46.50
Russell Gibson
I can't believe it.
01:06:46.55
Adz
I actually have SGA as not my second highest, but that's for a different podcast. um Anywho, look, ah congratulations to Oklahoma City.
01:06:57.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:06:57.63
Adz
Well-earned. um Title defense teams are coming for you now. They're exposed.
01:07:03.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:07:03.94
Adz
and And I think Indiana did expose them. And and I hope ah hope the paces retool and come at the the east just as hard next season.
01:07:14.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:07:14.83
Adz
um But I'm looking forward to next week when we talk about what's happening.
01:07:19.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, me too. Yeah. Draft, trades. That's like, for me, that's the fun stuff of the year.
01:07:22.67
Adz
Yeah. And I'm looking forward to listening to to last week's episode.
01:07:27.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you should.
01:07:28.86
Adz
Yeah, I will.
01:07:29.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:07:29.73
Adz
um I will be, for sure. Good to be back.
01:07:34.30
Russell Gibson
Thanks, man. Thanks, everyone, for listening. Take care of yourselves.
01:07:37.03
Adz
We'll see you next week.