You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 226: SGC Shake-Up, $660K Caitlin Clark Card, & Summer League MVP Picks
This week on You Can't Comp This, Russell and Adz dive into the big headlines shaking the hobby:
– The sudden resignation of SGC CEO following PSA’s acquisition – was it voluntary or a corporate casualty?
– A $660,000 sale for Caitlin Clark’s 1/1 Flawless card – hype or long-term value?
– Summer League MVP chatter: is Filipowski a legit spec or just the next dollar-bin special?
– Jonathan Kuminga wants a bag from the Warriors – but has he earned it?
– Boston Card Hunter's PSA submission fiasco through GameStop sparks deeper grading trust issues.
Plus, shoutouts to our mates at @fastbreaktradingcards and ussportscardsaustralia.com.au, and the usual blend of hobby talk, hot takes, and umble roasting.
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Adz
We're live. We're good.
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Russell Gibson
We're
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Adz
Yeah. Okay.
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Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 226 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
Russell, how are you?
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Russell Gibson
Good mate. How are you today? Hello everyone at home. Hope you're very well.
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Adz
Yes. Hello to the masses, those on the internet listening in their cars on a variety of platforms, watching the video, commiserations.
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Russell Gibson
Sometimes on YouTube.
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Adz
If you, yeah, on YouTube, get to see our beautiful faces or be traumatized by our beautiful faces, whatever, whatever, really listening on um Central Coast Radio,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
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Adz
Spotify, Google Podcasts. Does Google Podcasts still exist or is it YouTube Podcasts now?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it's YouTube now.
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Adz
Oh, so you watch all this on on YouTube. the option the
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Russell Gibson
They've got it all worked out.
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Adz
the The options are just everywhere anyway.
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Russell Gibson
Speaking of Central Coast Radio, we had an absolute banger of a show last week. People tuned in from Canada, Switzerland, India, Germany, Brazil, France, Japan, Hong Kong, Ireland, Singapore, Chile, UK, Belgium, Israel, Indonesia, career Korea, South Africa.
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Adz
Nice.
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Adz
Nice.
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Russell Gibson
That's...
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Adz
From the central coast of all of those countries.
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Russell Gibson
From the centralcoastradio.com of all those countries.
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Adz
that's That's right.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
That's right.
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Russell Gibson
yeah Anyway, enough about people around. the Well, actually, it's always good to talk about people around the world, but let's talk sports cards.
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Adz
ah
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Russell Gibson
What do you say, Ad?
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Adz
Let's do it. what's What's top of the docket today?
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Russell Gibson
I think there's a lot, again, going on this week. it's We actually had to sort of move things up and down the list this week as usual, but I think the top one is the CEO of SGC has stepped down.
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Adz
Yes.
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Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
And I think you can speculate and read into this on so many different ways, honestly.
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Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
So i think that why don't we just go straight to the speculation? i don't think we need to read his statement or anything like that because that's just kind of...
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Adz
Peter Steinberg's, well, it's like a manifesto, really. Just going going.
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Russell Gibson
It's a very, very, very mini manifesto, and and an Instagram manifesto.
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Adz
Yeah, but it's just like, if it goes for three pages, it's an IG manifesto. How's that?
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Russell Gibson
All right. So this is my speculation here.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
As he said, effective immediately, I made the difficult decision to resign from my position at SGC. My understanding of the effective immediately resignation letters is that you were pushed. You didn't choose to go onto your next project.
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Russell Gibson
I think with the PSA...
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Adz
I don't think there's another project. I think it's yeah we don't want you you cannot be here anymore.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think for me, like this is not like a controversial thing either. It's just with the PSA buyout of SGC, they're going to be streamlining.
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Adz
You're not the services are no longer required.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, you don't need two CEOs, right?
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Adz
We don't need you to innovate. we've We've got Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
We've got that sorted out. So you know I think when companies do get bought out like that, on there's always some casualties when those type of things happen.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
And I think SGC Pete was one of the... the top ones to go.
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Adz
Mm hmm.
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Russell Gibson
i would also imagine he was also the highest paid person at the company. So then there's that there too.
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Adz
Bit of a saving. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
i think the other thing too is about, i think young CEOs that are out there, you know, doing fantastic things. Cause I think if we're being honest about SGC, they had a better run the last few years than BGS did.
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Adz
Hmm. Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
And I think they moved up the marketplace when other you know companies were going backwards again, referring to BGS. So I think you know he will go on to bigger and better things. I don't think there's any... you know theres He's not walking away with controversy. He's not walking away with egg on his face or you know being accused of anything bad.
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Russell Gibson
I think this is, for me, simply just a money-making or money-saving venture by PSA. Yeah.
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Adz
ah it's part of the the moving forward, um what the company structure looks like with the move.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
I suppose like, you know, as a collective, how does this affect us? I think that's probably the next question to, to dwell on or to debate, I suppose, because is this good for people in the hobby? Because now literally you have just one overlord over these two massive companies.
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Adz
it it it i Look, I'm i'm of the ah um of the view that competition was good in the hobby.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's the,
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Russell Gibson
yeah.
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Adz
I think competition in in business is makes things healthy. It ensures innovation and and and change.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
i don't I don't know how I feel about PSA being the overlords of the hobby.
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Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
I... I don't know. I've voiced it before that there needs to be some level of regulation. And I'm sorry, but who's watching PSA do what they do?
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Adz
Do we just trust them? and the And the answer is currently yes, we do. um But as as I suppose we we segue to when we recap in the next the next topic, and look what that level of trust can get you.
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Russell Gibson
So I've just really quickly gone over to our ah friend Ryan at GemRate. Ryan, I hope you're well, mate, and life is treating you well. And I think looking at the daily numbers is like a little bit of a, you know, it's very up and down depending on how they submit the numbers each day.
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Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
So I'm just looking at the last weekly submission, which was July 21st.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
PSA, items were graded.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
cgc a hundred and thirteen thousand SGC, 26,000 and Beckett, 14,000. So it's still talking huge numbers here.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
um But then if you make that 432,000 for and SGC combined, CGC with 113,000 and then Beckett in third place at 14,000.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's the other way to look at it then too. It's just like, just making the top one even, you know, bigger and bigger again.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. it's It's, I don't know. I think there's such a front running.
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Adz
Yeah. Trend.
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Russell Gibson
All right, final thoughts on this bad boy.
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Adz
um sit back um and watch. We don't really have much of a choice in the matter. let's Let's see what the future brings.
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Russell Gibson
PSA is king. Mr. Man Cave update. So last week we talked about the $500 million dollars worth of fakes scandal. His then suicide note, an unfortunate finding by the FBI of his body with a self-inflicted
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Okay.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
And so there's really not a lot you know to update this. I think we were looking before the show at some news articles, which basically gave a few more details around how the scam came unwound.
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Russell Gibson
And it sounds like somebody made a report to their local deple police department, who then escalated to the FBI when they found a few more people also complaining about fakes that they'd purchased from Mr.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Mancave.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
um And so that's, you know, it's not really new information. I feel like that's just, you know, something, you know, we might not have known last week, but now we do, but it's not really anything sort of.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
um What it did say, though, is that they seized a whole bunch of stuff. And so Steve Grad was talking about that last week. He's like, I want access to that stuff so we can look at it and so we can actually break it down and analyze it
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Steve has also been doing the rounds a lot this week. i Like I noticed him on my socials this week a little bit more than, well, a lot more than I usually would. But interesting, I was saying this to you off air too. It's like, i feel like this CGC story has really taken the Mr. Man Cave out of my Instagram feed.
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Russell Gibson
So I'm not getting the same amount of posts from it this week. Like it's amazing how quickly you know the stories can change and and we just move on to the next the next thing.
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Adz
That we move on. We move on news wise. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
so
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Adz
Yeah. For sure.
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Russell Gibson
And Steve again touched on that. He's like, even if we're not talking about this, this issue is not going away. so and he sort of touched on previous scams that would happen in the hobby.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
All that scammy stuff is still out there too. So it's like, I think that's something that I'm really interested to see how this folds out and see how this changes.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
the hobby or even how we perceive it because
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Adz
i'll i'll I'll throw a spanner in the works.
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Russell Gibson
yeah, yeah, hit me.
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Adz
How I know collectors are much more better informed, I guess, these days.
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Russell Gibson
Well, some is yes, some is no.
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Adz
But, and this is where I don't think there will be a change at the market level, right?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Hmm.
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Adz
On the and on on the hardcore collector side, there's more awareness.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
But when you're talking about buying fake autographs, jerseys, photos, whatever, what about the mum and dads that are going buy presents?
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Adz
What about the the partners that don't have any interest in collectibles whatsoever that are going to stores blindly thinking they've purchased a legitimate a bit of memorabilia for for their partner, their loved one, their their children?
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
And they're going in completely naive, not doing any research and think they've scored themselves a bargain. They're the ones that get ripped because then a collector receives this item. And the first thing you're not going to tell your your your parents or your your partner that thanks for buying me a fake, but it's going to go through your mind. You have to wait for it. I think that's where the impact lies.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And it's, it's, and they're not,
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Russell Gibson
And you think that risk will still be there? is that what you're saying?
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Adz
ah What I'm saying is now now the risk is still there.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
The partners of collectors aren't listening to podcasts like this. They're not on socials doing research like this, right?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
They're supportive of of the hobby saying, oh well, my my son, my my husband, my wife collects, but I don't do research on it.
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Adz
I'm just supporting their hobby and getting them a Christmas present.
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Russell Gibson
Here's my budget.
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Adz
Yep. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
You trust the person who's selling it to you. A hundred percent. Yep.
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Adz
I know Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant is worth a lot of money. So you know what? It's a milestone birthday. I'm going to spend a thousand dollars on this bit of memorabilia.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And we find out it's fake. um And, and, and look, I feel bad for the, the, the ones that um get sucked into these scams.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
And I also feel really bad for the partners, children, receivers of these gifts that have very calmly go, thank you, that is so thoughtful. And in the back of their mind going, thanks for the fake, this is bad.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
do you know what I mean? Like it's it's it stained our hobby.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
It's staining collecting and and memorabilia. you've just got to be really, really cautious moving forward.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Moving on to our next piece of hobby related chatter is the Caitlin Clark flawless platinum rookie logo woman.
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Russell Gibson
Patch Auto 1 of 1 with their autograph and the inscription on it 769 points and counting. Beautiful card. I like the logo design of what they've done to it.
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Russell Gibson
I think the flawless design is as always simple but effective.
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Russell Gibson
I'm glad it's got that 1 of 1 logo on it too. That's my personal preference for the 1 of 1 logo.
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
It's sold for $660,000 USD, bids on that
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Adz
Yoinks.
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Russell Gibson
I want to add this into this too, though.
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Russell Gibson
It's interesting to me that Fanatics Collectibles is promoting a Panini product.
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Russell Gibson
Have you ever seen Panini promoting...
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
anything other than their own content on their thing. Like, I think the way that I know, i'm I know I'm segueing here, like straight away, but we can go back to Caitlin Clark in a second, but it's really interesting to me, the way that fanatics approach the hobby, they definitely do have a different view through the kaleidoscope than what Panini does.
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Adz
That's interesting. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
Well, did it sell on their platform though?
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Adz
Do you know what mean? Like,
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Adz
where did it sell for?
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Adz
in any sorry I'm just reading the no
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Adz
surely it'd be on a fanatics platform if they're boasting about it it's like backyard breaks breaking a card
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, you're right. The Fanatics Collect auction. Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah. So they're they're just they're just they're just raving about it because they're the ones that held the auction for the that sold the highest-selling grossing card for Caitlin Clark.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, look.
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Adz
they're They're drawing attention to the player and the price tag, not not to the fact that Panini made the card.
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Russell Gibson
You're probably right, but i just I've just noticed a few things that fanatics have put up. like they're not
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Adz
They do different.
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Russell Gibson
yeah They just do it a little bit differently. I think also, too, they're just promoting the hobby in general.
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Adz
That's true.
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Russell Gibson
And I think it's just a different...
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Adz
That's very true.
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Russell Gibson
like And I think, obviously, it's very early days when we're talking about you know fanatics taking over. And look, there's been some bad stuff that's come out. But like I'm just scrolling through the Panini Instagram now.
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Russell Gibson
I could just never imagine them promoting... Like anything other than their own little agenda.
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Adz
Yeah, true. Yeah, you're you're probably right. But yeah, I don't know. Panini haven't really ever had their own, ah aside from like Panini Instant and stuff like that. they don't They don't have like the auction house style sell other people's product.
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Russell Gibson
yeah that's true. Anyway, let's go back to Caitlin Clark, because actually this is what I did want to talk to you about.
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Adz
Yes, Caitlin Clark.
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Russell Gibson
At $660,000, is this a buy, hold, or sell? I think this is the the appropriate time to play this buy, hold, sell game.
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Adz
I'm selling.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. mean, that's literally a house. it's you know It's a million dollars Aussie.
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Adz
Like it's, yeah, it's it's selling. um
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Adz
Yeah. I don't, I don't, I'm, yeah. I don't have a lot of faith in WNBA cards at the moment until I see other players start to escalate.
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Adz
And every time it's Caitlin Clark, it gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Russell Gibson
Why does it give you hibby-jibby zone?
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Adz
Do you know what I I want to see someone else sell for big money.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I want to see... you know what I mean?
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Russell Gibson
i I don't feel that way. i think that it's totally fine if you just have one person who is the exception to the rule. And I think that's what we've got in the WNBA.
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Russell Gibson
you know Maybe there's going to be somebody else that you know does come along that's big, but that that to me is not a big deal.
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Adz
Yeah. Can you imagine if the NBA was just LeBron James? There was no Steph Curry. There's no Jason Tatum. There's no Luka Doncic. There's no SGA. No Nikola Jokic. There's no stars.
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Adz
It's just LeBron. Do you know like how polarizing that that is? It's just, I don't know. I feel like the WNBAs, they've taken a step. They need to take another step.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. And I think that she is very polarizing. I think there is a lot of of the pros there that maybe have given her like a really hard time because of that.
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Adz
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
like in Including, which we've spoken on the previous episode of them excluding her from the national team. Right.
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Adz
True, true, true.
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Russell Gibson
So i think that is a real thing. But at the same time, my analogy for this card is the Zion Williamson one of one that sold. So that sold for 750,000.
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Adz
Yeah. Okay.
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Russell Gibson
And it's like, you have this guy who has all the talent in the world and all the hobby hype in the world.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
And he's like, you know, the young hot prospect at the time. So that's like, you just ticked all the Caitlin Clark boxes and then becomes like this huge injury risk.
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Adz
True,
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Russell Gibson
um I think the only difference between like Zion and Caitlin Clark in this particular thing is like Caitlin Clark's not knocking up all these like really hot Instagram models.
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Russell Gibson
It's like in this hypothetical.
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Adz
yeah But but if she if she goes off the rails, the WNBA, but no, if she goes off the rails, can you imagine?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Maybe she could.
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Adz
Like that just blows up the hobby for WNBA.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
It's got a lot of pressure on her shoulders only.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, from a hobby perspective, I doubt she cares. I feel like that's the type of pressure that they don't care.
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
I think it would be just more entertaining that people would spend that much money on her card.
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Adz
Oh, what?
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Russell Gibson
I think that would be the, yeah.
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Adz
Hang on. is it I was going to say, you've also put up the top WNBA card prices.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, really quickly.
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Russell Gibson
yeah yeah. So, we'll run through that quickly. Yeah, go go through that. ah Yeah.
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Adz
All right, so Caitlin Clark is obviously number one at $660K.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um How do I pronounce Paige's surname?
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Russell Gibson
Well, I would say it Bukas, but yeah.
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Adz
Bukas? Bukas?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Buchers at 16.5K.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So she's not in the league yet.
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Adz
cat
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Russell Gibson
So she's like the then next, she's the next one to come along.
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Adz
she She's the new Caitlin Clark.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Then we've got um Cameron Brink, 16.3K.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
um sabri ah Sabrina Ionescu, is it?
00:18:54.63
Russell Gibson
So I would like to say she's kind of like a um Steph Curry maybe, and she's already won a championship too.
00:18:59.52
Adz
Okay. Yep.
00:19:01.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:01.76
Adz
and then And then we've got, who's that? um
00:19:04.71
Russell Gibson
Aja Wilson, again, won an MVP, won a championship.
00:19:04.91
Adz
Aja Wilson. And
00:19:09.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:09.58
Adz
And then, so what's that? Two, three, four. Oh, wait, Diana.
00:19:12.70
Russell Gibson
So they're all still in the league.
00:19:14.54
Adz
Yep.
00:19:14.71
Russell Gibson
Tarossi is like one of the goats, one of the original OGs.
00:19:14.82
Adz
Tarassi.
00:19:17.47
Adz
Sure. So there are five other players that have sold for more than 10K.
00:19:18.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:22.45
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:19:22.70
Adz
Then we've got like Angel Reese, Sue Bird, Cynthia Cooper, Candice Parker.
00:19:24.70
Russell Gibson
Reese's, which everyone loads on. That's who that is. Yeah.
00:19:28.37
Adz
Okay.
00:19:28.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:29.27
Adz
So it's, yeah, I feel like there's got to be that. There's got to be growth in that section.
00:19:33.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:34.62
Adz
um Bukas, maybe there's there's there's a chance there.
00:19:38.92
Russell Gibson
No, don't, Adam, don't mortgage your house for a page card.
00:19:39.12
Adz
Like, do you know what mean? There's got to be some...
00:19:42.96
Russell Gibson
That would be not a great outcome.
00:19:44.32
Adz
No, no, but she's got to do something.
00:19:46.85
Russell Gibson
Oh, okay, okay, yeah.
00:19:47.75
Adz
What I'm saying is there's got to be some hype around these other players if it's just Kaitlyn Clark we're cooked.
00:19:51.68
Russell Gibson
Look, maybe that, look, um again, really heavily speculating right now, but I would actually say if people do take that Caitlin Clark enthusiasm into page, um maybe that's where people could get really badly burnt.
00:20:03.55
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:07.02
Adz
Yeah, that's true.
00:20:07.58
Russell Gibson
Because, like, you know, she doesn't wash out. She doesn't do well. People spent, you know, like 10x overs at the start.
00:20:10.56
Adz
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:20:15.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:16.24
Adz
But then you've got you've got players like Brink that are still in the league.
00:20:16.25
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:20:22.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:23.60
Adz
Do you know what I'm saying? You've got other players, so maybe some investment.
00:20:24.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:28.27
Adz
There needs to be some some hype. The league needs to grow anyway.
00:20:31.42
Russell Gibson
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00:21:24.54
Russell Gibson
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00:21:36.68
Russell Gibson
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00:21:47.41
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Summer League MVP Chatter.
00:21:52.77
Adz
The summer league's over, is it?
00:21:56.09
Russell Gibson
but umm Part of it is there'll be other leagues that come up, but this particular league is...
00:21:58.84
Adz
I'm sure there will be. um'm I'm sure ah this is how much attention I don't pay to the summer league.
00:22:05.58
Russell Gibson
I've watched some highlights. I watched a couple of game recups and that's it. And I've actually enjoyed having a break from it because I watched a lot of playoffs and um I really enjoyed the finals.
00:22:14.15
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:22:17.61
Russell Gibson
I think that's also my issue I have too, is like going straight from the finals where the quality is 11 out of 10 into Summer League where it's all um enthusiasm and effort, but not a lot of skill.
00:22:23.36
Adz
Into the summer league.
00:22:26.81
Adz
Yeah, makes sense.
00:22:31.91
Russell Gibson
it's It's a tough... So our Summer League MVP was Kyle Filipowski. And I think we should probably talk about him because this is not his first year in the league. So we'll be able to find some comps on him.
00:22:46.40
Russell Gibson
And then the other people that were in the first team was Nick Clifford of the Kings, David Jones Garcia of the Spurs, Jordan Miller of the Clippers, and then Terrence Shannon Jr. for the Wolves. So was there anyone out of that group that you were maybe looking at, maybe going to buy some cards of?
00:23:04.38
Adz
um ah The only only comment I made is that that Nick Clifford looked like Max Christie.
00:23:05.64
Russell Gibson
speculating on?
00:23:09.99
Adz
um But,
00:23:12.68
Russell Gibson
That wasn't really the question that i asked, to be fair, but yeah.
00:23:15.10
Adz
yeah, no, no, no. um Looking at them, I actually looked at Filipowski and went, is it just like Walker Kessler Jr.?
00:23:21.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:26.89
Russell Gibson
He does look Walker Kessler-esque, doesn't he?
00:23:29.74
Adz
Like they're about, I don't know, they they they're an inch, like he's an inch shorter than Walker Kessler. um Both play center.
00:23:40.74
Adz
No wonder the Lakers went after Kessler then. If the the Jazz have recruited the same player two two years in a row kind of thing or three.
00:23:47.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:48.34
Adz
Anyway, we know we know teams do that.
00:23:49.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:51.40
Adz
um i was I was looking at this MVP ballot, trying to to to find some comps or where there'd be some value.
00:23:58.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:59.04
Adz
My thought is I don't think Terrence Shannon's going to get much opportunity. so So I'm looking at teams that are contenders, right?
00:24:11.73
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:24:12.87
Adz
I'm like, I'm looking at the Minnesota roster. I'm like, does he fit? Does he get it does he get a shot this year? The Sacramento Kings, yeah, probably does get a shot.
00:24:22.96
Russell Gibson
The Kings are so cooked though, man. Like even...
00:24:25.12
Adz
but that's but that But that gives a ah young player a chance to make a name for themselves.
00:24:29.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but the thing is they'll they'll play vets.
00:24:30.33
Adz
um
00:24:32.23
Russell Gibson
Like they'll do something Kings-y, like play vets but in front of a good young player. Do you know what i mean?
00:24:36.71
Adz
Yeah, true.
00:24:36.94
Russell Gibson
Like that's the type of stuff they'll do.
00:24:37.88
Adz
But but george Jordan Miller, I mean, he'll probably get some minutes when they're load managing all of their their aging, their nursing home roster in the Clippers, which is fine.
00:24:48.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:51.16
Adz
um Actually, David Jones Garcia might get a ah bit... with the The Spurs have ah of a tendency to sort of plug in and have it and and put a bit of trust in people, give them a bit of a... plug them into the system, but they might hide him for most of the year.
00:25:08.79
Russell Gibson
So I agree with you on the point about the Clippers in terms of him getting some minutes because of how old the Clippers are, but I'm looking at the ESPN depth chart. He's not even on their roster.
00:25:18.34
Adz
Correct.
00:25:18.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:19.02
Adz
That's what I mean. like it's it's this these These players aren't really going to get a lot of opportunity.
00:25:27.41
Russell Gibson
yeah Oh, look, this is definitely a deep cut and I think it's, you're absolutely, like, you know, we're speculating at this point, but at the same time, it's also fun to
00:25:28.52
Adz
um
00:25:36.67
Adz
Filipowski might get some might get some run like get some run for for Utah. That's probably...
00:25:41.95
Russell Gibson
I'm looking at Filipowski because I think for me, that's the obvious one to go for. I think, you know, if someone's emerged now that the Summer League MVP, I think that's a really good thing.
00:25:50.70
Adz
yep
00:25:50.78
Russell Gibson
My issue with him is actually he's not dollar bin cheap. He's actually more than like a dollar.
00:25:56.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:56.68
Russell Gibson
So $7.69 USD for a silver, $3 USD for a select silver, and
00:25:57.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:59.97
Adz
Yep.
00:26:00.86
Russell Gibson
three dollars usd for a select silver
00:26:04.54
Adz
Okay. so there's no.
00:26:05.32
Russell Gibson
A patch in select, which is you know not game one. and It's literally a napkin patch. 7 USD. Now, going down to this one, which this is probably my favorite card out of all of these that I'm looking at here. This is the orange.
00:26:17.11
Russell Gibson
The Decker, which Decker was a really nice release that they did last year.
00:26:22.59
Adz
yeah
00:26:23.03
Russell Gibson
Numbered to 49. That sold for 31 USD. Like...
00:26:26.64
Adz
Okay.
00:26:27.39
Russell Gibson
Of all those, that's probably the best considering that you're paying $10 for a silver. Like if you bought that and it graded a 10, so that would say cost you 50 or 55 USD to get that done.
00:26:42.37
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:43.06
Russell Gibson
And he's a good prospect.
00:26:43.24
Adz
yeah
00:26:43.90
Russell Gibson
Like, I think that's totally fine. But honestly, there's not much here ad that I'm like, just frothing over.
00:26:48.87
Adz
honest
00:26:49.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:50.17
Adz
Honestly, it's I'd be looking into the second team. i mean, you've got you've got players two players from the Hornets in Konkanapal.
00:27:00.48
Russell Gibson
Man, I think the Hornets are more messed up than the Kings though. That's, yeah.
00:27:03.77
Adz
if a But what I'm saying is opportunity to see them in the actual regular season.
00:27:08.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:08.83
Adz
So they get run and play for the Hornets. Maybe they grow quicker. They develop. Yeah.
00:27:14.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:16.96
Adz
I don't know. Like, OKC's pretty well settled.
00:27:20.60
Russell Gibson
All right, I tell you what, the question, let's just move away from cards for two seconds. Do you think Con Canapal will mesh well with LaMelo Ball? I think that's ah that's a really good question.
00:27:33.79
Russell Gibson
Because I feel like looking at the draft boards,
00:27:33.99
Adz
Ooh.
00:27:37.58
Adz
Mm-mm.
00:27:39.62
Russell Gibson
maybe Canapal didn't have to go that high. Sorry,
00:27:42.22
Adz
Yeah. Maybe he's a fit. Maybe he's a fit. Yeah, yeah.
00:27:45.57
Russell Gibson
yeah I'm giving the Hornets credit here, but did they pick him? Because they're like, you know we think he can...
00:27:48.73
Adz
Did they pick him because they wanted that partnership? They wanted that.
00:27:50.94
Russell Gibson
And he can fit in well with the rest of the squad. you know is that Is that why they would do that?
00:27:56.05
Adz
I mean, they've gone from being an absolute train wreck for ages to now having common sense. I don't think so, but sure.
00:28:01.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that does seem a bit out there, doesn't it?
00:28:03.30
Adz
they're They're going to try something bold and actually look at chemistry now and try and build a builder team. who said Who knows? This could be an improvement year from Charlotte. Who knows?
00:28:12.70
Russell Gibson
So then you've got LaMelo, Knoppel, Brandon Miller.
00:28:16.71
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:18.65
Russell Gibson
You've got Miles Bridges. You've got Josh Green. It's not terrible, is it?
00:28:25.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:26.12
Russell Gibson
Grant Williams will be coming back hopefully this year. Who's going to play their center position though? They need Mark Williams back.
00:28:34.90
Adz
That is a really, really, really good point. Maybe they're the ones that are sneaky going to, um,
00:28:43.65
Russell Gibson
Mason Plumlee is your starting center. I mean, that's
00:28:48.37
Russell Gibson
That's not great, is it?
00:28:48.51
Adz
maybe, maybe Al Horford's going to Charlotte.
00:28:56.81
Russell Gibson
All right. I think we've milked this segment as much as we can.
00:29:00.67
Adz
Yeah, fair.
00:29:02.03
Russell Gibson
All righty. This next one is from our friend, Boston Card Hunter. I should probably qualify this. I'm not too sure he realizes that we think that we're friends with him.
00:29:12.90
Russell Gibson
the The friendship is one way at this point in time. um
00:29:15.08
Adz
It's a one-dimensional friendship at this rate.
00:29:15.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:17.84
Adz
least one of ah At least one side thinks they're friends.
00:29:20.72
Russell Gibson
That's right.
00:29:21.56
Adz
That's it. We'll find out.
00:29:23.04
Russell Gibson
ah
00:29:23.85
Adz
given him the right of risk We've given him the right of response.
00:29:23.91
Russell Gibson
He's done another...
00:29:25.93
Adz
If he wants to reach out to us and confirm or deny whether or not he wants to validate this friendship or denounce it, it's up to him.
00:29:26.37
Russell Gibson
That's He did another great video again this week, and he was talking about someone who sent in cards to GameStop to be submitted to PSA, and when the cards came back, they were just completely the wrong cards.
00:29:42.77
Adz
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:29:47.75
Russell Gibson
And so... the way he um created the content, it was around what is the process that happens to your cards once they get submitted.
00:29:58.91
Adz
Wow.
00:29:59.66
Russell Gibson
And so they're trying to, and look, and again, that that's just the way he looks at the hobby. He's very objective. He breaks things down in a very logical sort of way. And so, you know, I think this is not an advertisement, but this is, again, something that,
00:30:15.34
Russell Gibson
We talk about when we partner up with people. So for example, the guys at Fastbreak, they do submissions directly with The Hobby Australia. And so all of that is just you know absolutely rock solid stuff.
00:30:29.79
Russell Gibson
processes.
00:30:29.98
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:30.19
Russell Gibson
They've got everything sorted out on their backend. ah Look, I would say for a company like GameStop with the liquidity that they have and the volume that they're doing, they'll just compensate this guy and then it'll be like, it'll all be done.
00:30:43.34
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:45.94
Adz
Yeah. But it but the the actual GameStop support response is the one that does my head in.
00:30:46.49
Russell Gibson
I find it
00:30:53.13
Adz
know
00:30:55.32
Russell Gibson
I would say, yeah, but I would say that um this this is not the end of the story.
00:30:55.41
Adz
Do you know what?
00:31:00.48
Russell Gibson
I think when when something like this happens, it just sort of highlights it.
00:31:01.08
Adz
Oh, for sure, for sure.
00:31:04.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so just fill fill people in about the response from, yeah.
00:31:08.76
Adz
um So we're not at limited to send photos. i keep The video keeps flicking. But yes, basically, um i' not limited to...
00:31:20.30
Adz
ah send further cards being accepted on a submission. We also don't take photos of pickup. um The photo you sent over confirms that a pickup was processed for a submission through our system. Because there are no photos or documentation, um that there was a Kobe card, we can't confirm it was a Kobe card.
00:31:36.06
Adz
I'm just paraphrasing the last bit because the video flicked over. But it's um we are unable to help further. It's one of those...
00:31:48.05
Adz
is it wouldn't taking a photo of the submission be part of the process?
00:31:51.93
Russell Gibson
Well, reading the comments here, people actually say that it's a complete lie.
00:31:54.93
Adz
It is part of the process, yeah.
00:31:56.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it is a process. They've got a tablet dedicated to it. They take the photos. It's all, it's all done.
00:32:00.80
Adz
One of the comments there says, not every, not every GameStop follows the same procedure.
00:32:05.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:07.60
Adz
Like, it's not a set procedure. So... Maybe, I hate to say maybe because we we obviously don't know. They don't do this at EB Games yet, thank goodness, over in Australia.
00:32:19.00
Adz
um I'd like to know what the process is. You'd expect with them with the with with but that kind of model where there's stores everywhere that they would have a common practice.
00:32:27.43
Russell Gibson
yeah I just think like really for me, this is where Even if someone does charge, and I'm not saying that the hobby charges more or they charge less.
00:32:39.87
Russell Gibson
I'm just making sort of a broad statement here. But it's like, even if people do charge a little bit more, for me, it's more just about the reputation space and also that relationship you built the person with.
00:32:45.39
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:32:51.28
Adz
Peace of mind.
00:32:52.56
Russell Gibson
and then the peace of mind that you get that night because you know that all your stuff's going to be safe. Because like there's been a couple of other scams in Australia where the exact same things happen.
00:32:56.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:33:01.11
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:33:01.40
Russell Gibson
People have gone to their local card shop, handed over, let's just call it $10,000 worth of cards.
00:33:07.29
Adz
Yep.
00:33:07.74
Russell Gibson
Where are the cards? Six months later, because you know at the time, that's how long it took for the submission process to you know go through. Excuse after excuse after excuse. you know And so like go on to the Australian...
00:33:21.15
Russell Gibson
card scammer pages and read up about these stories. Like we don't need to like rehash all that now, but it's like, you really need to like, you know, know the person that you're subbing with and and know their reputation.
00:33:25.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:33:31.75
Russell Gibson
It's like, yeah.
00:33:32.05
Adz
but But even though, if you're going to give tens of thousands of dollars worth of cards to somebody,
00:33:32.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:39.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:40.85
Adz
and and trust that this process is going get done, have some foresight to to at least track it to some extent.
00:33:51.92
Adz
Do you know what mean? Like
00:33:52.88
Russell Gibson
yeah Yes and no, though, Ad, because it's like, at the end of the day, once you put them over the counter, like, they're out of your hands.
00:33:58.71
Adz
if I go to a reputable store in in in Melbourne, one of the ones that one of the stores that I know and trust, where I know i know the owners, I know the staff, et cetera, right?
00:33:58.83
Russell Gibson
There's not...
00:34:04.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:07.92
Adz
Right. I know they follow certain procedures. So I have trust that that's gonna get done. I'm also gonna make sure everything's documented to make sure that what I've sent off is correct.
00:34:20.17
Adz
Because part of the the grading process is you document what the card is.
00:34:20.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:24.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:24.81
Adz
Part of the submission, right?
00:34:25.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:27.02
Adz
But I'm not going to have that same level of trust and I'm and i'm para i'm creating the parallel should this ever happen in in Australia with um EB Games being the equivalent of GameStop, right?
00:34:36.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:39.28
Adz
If I walk into an EB, there's no way I'm going to have that same level of trust. In fact, I'm going be super paranoid that I'm saving myself 50 bucks and potentially losing thousands of dollars in value.
00:34:51.89
Adz
Like you've got to have some ownership of what you're doing in the process.
00:34:56.47
Russell Gibson
Oh, I see what you're saying. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and Anyway.
00:35:01.77
Adz
Anyway, um I think it was a pretty standard rubbish response from GameStop and I don't think it's common practice, but.
00:35:10.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Who knows? Maybe we could reach out to um
00:35:15.67
Russell Gibson
Boston card. See if he's got an update for us. Hmm.
00:35:18.96
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Good idea. I'd love to have him on the show.
00:35:23.84
Russell Gibson
We'd love to have our friend on the show. Yeah. Thanks to us sports cards, Australia.com.au go to their website for sports breaks, singles, collectible protection, hobby boxes, sports memorabilia, and of course Ross's lovable water pistols.
00:35:42.10
Russell Gibson
Also Ross's current baby.
00:35:43.38
Adz
Are they branded now? Are they Ross's ross's lovable water pistols?
00:35:46.96
Russell Gibson
that's That's what I've called them, correct.
00:35:47.04
Adz
Please. Okay.
00:35:48.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:48.62
Adz
Fair enough.
00:35:50.59
Russell Gibson
Ross's current baby is his Checkout My Cards Australia page, where he has created his own submission service and consignment service. Post all your cards to Ross, he'll take care of all the sales.
00:36:03.69
Russell Gibson
And ah when you check when you click onto the website and you go to check out my card submission, please write You Can't Comp This anywhere on the form and you'll get a free submission.
00:36:15.07
Russell Gibson
Ross is really trying hard at the moment to get some more submissions in because his current issue is having more cards sold than being submitted. Thank you again to our friends at ussportscardsaustralia.com.au.
00:36:41.16
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how are you doing?
00:36:48.07
Adz
I'm doing great. doing great.
00:36:49.45
Russell Gibson
Great.
00:36:51.15
Adz
what's next on the What's next on the docket?
00:36:53.87
Russell Gibson
I would like to talk about Jonathan Kaminga. And this is a little bit of a nothing story. So I won't lie to you. This is really for for old Rusty. um And basically it's about Kaminga holding out and not signing his contract with the Warriors because he wants more money, which is not exactly anything of revelations.
00:37:13.53
Adz
o
00:37:14.10
Russell Gibson
But I thought it would be a good time to talk about Kaminga. We could speculate where he might end up if he doesn't stay with the Warriors. Yeah. And then we could talk about some of his card prices too, because I think that would be, yeah.
00:37:23.14
Adz
Yeah, well. Yeah, I was gonna say, card prices might be an interesting one too, hey.
00:37:31.28
Russell Gibson
so where do you think old mate Jonathan Kaminga will end up if he doesn't re-sign with the Warriors?
00:37:39.83
Adz
Hmm.
00:37:42.73
Adz
I don't know. I actually i actually with the Clippers is where all the rejects go, but he's not old enough. He hasn't met the age bracket for the Clippers yet. That was another opportunity for me to Have a go with the Clippers.
00:37:58.21
Adz
um No, i don' I actually don't know. I think he will end up for for playing for the Warriors. I hope so.
00:38:07.59
Russell Gibson
But there's a piece of me that I would love to see him say go to the Kings where they've had a massive loss of talent the last couple of years.
00:38:15.75
Adz
Okay.
00:38:15.82
Russell Gibson
If they could sneak in and pick up a nice little piece that would fit their otherwise sort of young core, think that would be really nice.
00:38:15.88
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:22.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:26.91
Russell Gibson
something like say Brooklyn Nets where they've got a lot of assets that they can move around.
00:38:31.61
Adz
Hmm.
00:38:33.88
Russell Gibson
And I think they're one of the few teams in the league that actually got the cap space to accommodate his wild request.
00:38:34.27
Adz
True.
00:38:41.03
Russell Gibson
My thing with the Golden State Warriors is that every dollar they spend on Kaminga is $3 they can't spend on somebody else to actually bring in and give that team a little bit more depth because...
00:38:53.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:57.09
Russell Gibson
You know I really think that, um, I haven't looked at their, their cap situation.
00:39:02.52
Adz
Yeah. We were talking about Charlotte before. He could play in Charlotte.
00:39:06.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:09.58
Adz
He could be a building piece. i just um Is he overvaluing himself?
00:39:16.33
Adz
Like is he being unreasonable trying to get a bag without – like rather than being paid ah big – getting a big payout, is he demanding is demanding one or quietly demanding one the wrong thing to do?
00:39:34.44
Adz
Like, I get his agent will want to get the most for him.
00:39:40.85
Adz
But, yeah. I don't know.
00:39:44.63
Russell Gibson
So according to spotrack.com, the Warriors have got $250 million dollars in cap allocations. $22 million of that is a cap hold for Kaminga.
00:39:58.41
Adz
and Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:58.57
Russell Gibson
And $17 million is a cap hold for Gary Payton Steph Curry is going to get paid basically $60 million next year. Jimmy Butler, $54 million.
00:40:06.30
Adz
Yep.
00:40:06.49
Russell Gibson
Draymond, $25 million.
00:40:07.86
Adz
Yep.
00:40:07.96
Russell Gibson
Moses Moody, $11.5 million.
00:40:11.20
Adz
Mm.
00:40:11.56
Russell Gibson
Buddy million.
00:40:12.96
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:14.00
Russell Gibson
Brandon Podsimeski is 3.6.
00:40:16.95
Adz
Okay.
00:40:17.48
Russell Gibson
Trace Jackson is 2.2. Like, you know, that team is, I think they're going to be, i think they're going to be above the first apron, which basically means they pay, it's like a, it's like a double tax basically.
00:40:27.44
Adz
There's gonna be, yeah.
00:40:31.56
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:35.29
Adz
Yeah. i And no offence, but has Kaminga really earned his bag of cash?
00:40:37.02
Russell Gibson
I think when you're paying someone 59 and 54 million, there's not that much money left over for the next guy to eat.
00:40:54.16
Russell Gibson
I get why he's asking for it because other young players have paid been paid the same, if not more.
00:40:58.78
Adz
Yeah, but other other other young players are getting paid for it on on much more...
00:40:59.67
Russell Gibson
You know what i mean? Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:07.61
Adz
cap friendly rosters.
00:41:10.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:11.54
Adz
Right? i can I can guarantee if Dalton Connect wants his bag, he's not getting it. Do you know what mean?
00:41:17.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:18.86
Adz
you've got You've got other players that are going to get paid first. He hasn't done a terrible job, but he hasn't set the world on fire.
00:41:25.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:26.59
Adz
And the Warriors are like, mate, wait your turn. Like if you are what worth what you're what you're claiming you're worth, wait. Just wait. You'll get paid. Steph will retire there'll be some money in the budget.
00:41:40.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:41:41.19
Adz
But i don't know. i feel like I feel like it's a bold move. It's a bold claim to be really pushing the Warriors like that. And they're a pretty legit organization.
00:41:51.55
Adz
They're not afraid to spend. Through the, through the um you call it the dynasty era of those, those like the the teens, um that was they They were prepared to spend on Clay, Steph, and Draymond.
00:42:08.89
Adz
Do you know what i mean? like And they and they they had some pieces.
00:42:09.92
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:42:11.85
Adz
Hell, they just they they sold everything off and tried to bring KD into it all.
00:42:16.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So just a really quick refresher. Kaminga is the same draft year as Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, Scotty Barnes.
00:42:23.99
Adz
Yep. Mm-hmm.
00:42:26.73
Russell Gibson
shenguon right So then let's just filter that down a little bit. Let's take Shen Goon and Cade Cunningham out of the conversation for a second.
00:42:34.53
Adz
right
00:42:35.36
Russell Gibson
um But let's add Franz Wagner to that. So Jalen Green is in a three year $106 million dollars extension. So let's just round that off and call it $33, $35 year.
00:42:42.80
Adz
Yep.
00:42:45.66
Adz
Yep.
00:42:45.93
Russell Gibson
Scotty Barnes, five years, 224.
00:42:49.30
Adz
Yep.
00:42:49.80
Russell Gibson
So starting at million. going average $44 million.
00:42:53.00
Adz
Okay.
00:42:54.08
Russell Gibson
And so when those numbers, fiveyear two hundred and twenty four million dollars deal
00:42:59.32
Adz
Yep.
00:43:00.84
Russell Gibson
which is going to average forty four million dollars and so when you hear those numbers
00:43:07.46
Adz
yeahp
00:43:07.89
Russell Gibson
I kind of get why he might be holding out. Like, is Jonathan Kaminga any worse than Scotty Barnes at this stage? Like, I've got a complete hard-on for Scotty Barnes. And, like, I way overrate him, would probably say, than almost anyone.
00:43:22.70
Russell Gibson
I think he's an amazing player. But, like, I can imagine how Jonathan Kaminga is just, like, sitting there eating his bowl of Froot Loops, just, like, steam coming out of his ears.
00:43:27.99
Adz
But the Raptors, the rap
00:43:31.38
Russell Gibson
Like, you know, that motherfucker. He's not better than me. Like, you know.
00:43:34.73
Adz
but the but But the Raptors aren't leveraged up to their eyeballs.
00:43:38.82
Russell Gibson
Well, they are.
00:43:40.36
Adz
But bit bit they can afford... But they're factored paying the young one money. If Jimmy Butler hadn't come to the Warriors...
00:43:47.46
Russell Gibson
hang on Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Do you know what the salary, total salaries on the Raptors are?
00:43:54.65
Adz
No, I wouldn't actually.
00:43:56.50
Russell Gibson
I am...
00:43:57.32
Adz
ah they They're not over an apron though.
00:43:59.40
Russell Gibson
they're like They're in the top five in the league.
00:44:01.90
Adz
No!
00:44:03.22
Russell Gibson
Hang on a second. just Just wait.
00:44:08.93
Russell Gibson
Their team payroll $188 million, is.
00:44:09.17
Adz
that they're not paying any They're not paying aprons, are they?
00:44:14.04
Russell Gibson
They're $66 million over the
00:44:16.27
Adz
Are they over aprons?
00:44:16.66
Russell Gibson
over
00:44:17.39
Adz
are they like Are they busted on the salary cap?
00:44:20.36
Russell Gibson
the first apron.
00:44:22.27
Adz
is there Is there an app yet that shows us how how this thing works?
00:44:24.92
Russell Gibson
that probably is
00:44:25.64
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:26.18
Russell Gibson
probably is there's sixty six million dollars over the tap the over the first apron
00:44:38.98
Russell Gibson
They're 8 million away.
00:44:39.05
Adz
the The salary cap's been s- Okay.
00:44:42.76
Russell Gibson
They're over the tax too.
00:44:44.25
Adz
Okay.
00:44:44.50
Russell Gibson
for For the team, like I think they're going to be you know pretty hard-pressed to make the playoffs.
00:44:48.66
Adz
Okay.
00:44:49.59
Russell Gibson
so
00:44:50.13
Adz
hundred
00:44:50.22
Russell Gibson
Scotty Barnes at 38. Brandon Ingram at 38. Quickly at 32. RJ Barrett at 27.
00:44:56.29
Adz
and- Okay.
00:44:56.80
Russell Gibson
Yaka Pertle at 19. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:00.02
Adz
Oh, well then, screw that theory, I just think.
00:45:01.80
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:45:02.93
Adz
But the Warriors are- But I'm saying-
00:45:03.16
Russell Gibson
Sorry. Sorry to cut you off, but like yeah. So i think that's why. That's why he's holding out, right? Yeah.
00:45:08.14
Adz
But but but there a team like the Warriors are trying to make another push. They acquired Jimmy Butler to make another push, right?
00:45:12.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. that yeah
00:45:14.31
Adz
And if they pay this man a bag, there's no way they're making a push.
00:45:14.65
Russell Gibson
Exactly. Yeah.
00:45:18.62
Adz
They're actually costing Jimmy Butler the opportunity and Steph the chance of winning another championship.
00:45:22.96
Russell Gibson
Maybe getting another veteran to the team. Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
00:45:26.46
Adz
So he needs to exercise a little bit of maturity, I think. But if he wants to go, maybe Toronto will take him.
00:45:34.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. right. Let's go over the the next apron.
00:45:38.34
Adz
It is happy to pay.
00:45:38.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:39.26
Adz
Cha-ching!
00:45:40.66
Russell Gibson
I found a couple of good cards Kaminga-wise, though. 2021 National Treasures Rookie RP8, numbered to 99 on card order.
00:45:48.16
Adz
Okay.
00:45:49.75
Russell Gibson
That sold for $83. I actually think that's a really good pickup.
00:45:54.65
Russell Gibson
Now, this one here, this is a bit of a tricky one because it's from a Chinese site. It is the red ice PSA 10 that sold for $27 USD.
00:46:06.22
Russell Gibson
usd I think that's a really good pickup. So i I would say looking at those two sales, but there's a bit going on here.
00:46:08.48
Adz
yep
00:46:12.49
Russell Gibson
I think that he is definitely out of their rotation. Warriors are a little bit out of the spotlight. It's the NBA off season. So maybe we need to do a topic on this next week, Ad, and say, look, it's the NBA off season.
00:46:20.60
Adz
yeah
00:46:24.68
Russell Gibson
This is the down season. This is when you make your big purchases.
00:46:26.85
Adz
where Where you make it, where you well, all right.
00:46:28.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:29.53
Adz
So ah I think we do make this into a bit of a topic because I don't think Steph Curry's going down in the offseason.
00:46:32.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:35.68
Adz
I don't think LeBron's are going down in the offseason.
00:46:36.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. We can talk about that too.
00:46:38.12
Adz
But there's mid-level players that that could, yeah, but it's the the the offseason dip if you're not a superstar.
00:46:38.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:46:45.78
Adz
Yeah, good good point.
00:46:47.22
Russell Gibson
All right, we've segued hard. Let's just do this really quickly and then we'll go to our last break and then we'll come back and we'll finish off. um This is from FindYourTrove on Instagram.
00:46:57.93
Russell Gibson
Really good Instagram content again. And basically he's doing a reporting on a feature that eBay have now built into their service where if the card is greater than $250, as you're paying for the card, you just tick an extra box and
00:47:10.18
Adz
Oh.
00:47:13.96
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:47:14.30
Russell Gibson
send it to PSA, and then the card goes from the person who you're purchasing it from directly to PSA.
00:47:20.38
Adz
Wow.
00:47:20.47
Russell Gibson
And so, yeah, I think that's a really good thing that they've built in.
00:47:21.06
Adz
Okay. Yeah.
00:47:26.70
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:47:27.07
Russell Gibson
So that's the pros. So the pros is it's great for the end consumer. It saves time. It saves handling. It saves shipping.
00:47:33.98
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:47:35.37
Russell Gibson
saves postage, all that type of stuff.
00:47:37.05
Adz
Love it. Yeah.
00:47:37.91
Russell Gibson
um I think the downside is, though, is that there's more trust built in on the cards or what I mean by that is if you're selling me a card and then actually just say it's a silver rookie prism, then you do the old switcheroo and it goes straight to PSA.
00:47:45.31
Adz
Oh, for sure, for sure. Like...
00:47:57.07
Russell Gibson
How do you then prove that, you know, that's not the card that was in the photo or whatever?
00:47:59.31
Adz
That's the one that was on the phone. Yeah, okay.
00:48:01.34
Russell Gibson
What about, maybe I'm overthinking this and there is a ah process in place for it. What about cleaning?
00:48:06.67
Adz
No, that was definitely...
00:48:07.69
Russell Gibson
Like you would want to get your card clean before, you know, you sent it off.
00:48:07.97
Adz
That was the first thing...
00:48:11.34
Russell Gibson
so um I mean, PSA is offering a a buffering service now. So maybe that's something you could also tick another box and get that sorted out for you.
00:48:19.07
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:19.40
Russell Gibson
um Look, I think this is a very sensible thing, but again, it also, you know, what's the negatives on this? It does cut out a bit of business for, you know, local businesses. For example, our friends at Fastbreak, our friends at The Hobby, you know, I don't think that's a great thing.
00:48:29.92
Adz
Sure, sure.
00:48:33.78
Adz
But on the contrary to that, just to because of the – I'll play devil's advocate.
00:48:39.31
Russell Gibson
Please.
00:48:39.66
Adz
Are these people going to buy it and then send it off for grading, are they? They might get it in hand and go, oh, no, I won't send it. So they might just be paying for the convenience.
00:48:46.91
Russell Gibson
That's right.
00:48:49.34
Adz
So that card may never get graded if it comes back, like by the local store.
00:48:49.50
Russell Gibson
but that's
00:48:53.79
Russell Gibson
But that's a good thing though, isn't it? That you don't send a card in and waste your money on grading.
00:49:01.09
Adz
Well, it's not always a waste.
00:49:05.03
Adz
Well, given the rate of um
00:49:10.99
Adz
yeah PSA, to 10s, maybe it is a waste. Who knows? But yeah, like I don't think it's really cutting out a middleman. i don't think the middleman would be utilized in the alternate scenario is what I'm saying.
00:49:23.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. OK.
00:49:24.88
Adz
I think it just gives the option if you want to do it. i Personally, i wouldn't i would not.
00:49:31.75
Russell Gibson
OK.
00:49:33.18
Adz
but Just because if I can't inspect the card up close, making a decision on it, whether or not to grade it straight away, is it's fraught with danger.
00:49:37.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:44.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:45.05
Adz
And we all know the difference between a PSA 10 and a PSA 8, let alone a 9. But anyway, if it's not a 10, you're cooked.
00:49:57.00
Adz
But still, nice to have the service, nice to have the automation.
00:49:59.09
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.
00:50:01.87
Russell Gibson
Alrighty guys, let's go to a break. We'll be right back.
00:50:12.86
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how are you doing?
00:50:17.18
Adz
Ready for the for the final countdown.
00:50:19.64
Russell Gibson
Yep. So this next few things is basically just what I would call organic material that we've got off our socials this last couple of weeks.
00:50:32.16
Russell Gibson
So the first one is,
00:50:32.97
Adz
oh Organic material sounds like compost or recycling.
00:50:37.49
Russell Gibson
well, I mean, that could be right.
00:50:41.33
Adz
Fair, okay. Yeah, good point.
00:50:42.67
Russell Gibson
This is from our listener, Travis Parker. Hello, Travis. I hope you're well, mate. Thank you so much for submitting your video. um It is a ah video of his. And he's completed a full set of 94.95 FLIR,
00:50:59.75
Adz
That is awesome.
00:51:01.03
Russell Gibson
which is a fun, good looking, I'm going to go out into a limb, call this a low end collectible set.
00:51:10.75
Adz
awesome.
00:51:11.39
Russell Gibson
And i will also add to this too, it's a very um bringing you back to your childhood set. I think this would bring you a lot of joy. So yeah, Travis, congratulations, mate.
00:51:23.21
Russell Gibson
It's always fun to finish a set.
00:51:24.76
Adz
that's awesome
00:51:26.62
Russell Gibson
um Bringing this full circle for myself, I also finished a set myself this week, the MB875 set from Mosaic, Optic, and Prism. So was not going to lie to you, kind of chuffed that I could actually complete a spreadsheet and make sure I tracked everything properly. it's usually Usually I'll do every card but one, and then it takes me another few months to get that last card.
00:51:43.97
Adz
awesome.
00:51:47.54
Adz
And then you take to get to get that.
00:51:50.47
Russell Gibson
That's the Russell thing to do, but yeah, this time I somehow... Um, you were telling me offline, you've been doing some footy card sets.
00:51:57.96
Adz
i I've done a footy card chase um and i did I did the bulk of it myself by by hand, but I did bite the bullet and do some scavenging for individual cards.
00:52:09.42
Adz
I got down to the nitty gritty. So in the coming days, I should have completed my 2025 footy card chase.
00:52:16.68
Russell Gibson
If you've done your spreadsheet, right?
00:52:18.58
Adz
Correct.
00:52:18.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:19.50
Adz
So if I'm after one card, yeah, I've done it wrong.
00:52:19.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:23.55
Adz
But we'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happens when when I receive my mail through the week.
00:52:26.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Alrighty. This is, frankly, this is a little bit old and I dropped the ball on this. I should have put this in the show the last couple of weeks, but we just ran out of time. Trade debate time. Who wins the deal? Lot one.
00:52:39.55
Russell Gibson
Colin Sexton, silver, rookie, PSA nine. Terrence Ferguson, orange, BGS 9.5. PJ Washington, silver, PSA 10. Mikael Bridges, PSA nine. Jalen Green, red, white, and blue, PSA nine. LeBron James, base, PSA 10. And a Jerry West sticker auto, number to 10. Okay.
00:52:58.73
Russell Gibson
ah The second lot is a 2005 Topps Chrome Kobe Bryant. For full disclosure, The top lot of cards came out of my trade box and I traded this with our friend of, hopefully friend of the show in the future, Josh Vitale, who I've had, to be honest, I've not had a bad interaction with a guy, just really easy to deal with, always willing to do a bit of a trade.
00:53:25.05
Russell Gibson
He's built up his infantry, I would say 20X in the last couple of years that he's been coming along to show. So yeah, he's just doing a good job. Yeah. I took the Kobe away.
00:53:37.45
Russell Gibson
i was personally very happy that I traded a whole bunch up for one card. um And then i read one of the listeners' responses, which for some reason is not on the sheet, but I pretty well remember it.
00:53:49.85
Russell Gibson
um And he was saying, well, if you had just held on to LeBron in 10 years' time, it would have been worth the value of that Kobe on its own. And then you could have just sold off the rest of it piece by piece. so But was like...
00:54:03.42
Adz
Wow.
00:54:04.61
Russell Gibson
I didn't actually think of that at the Anyway, I was actually just personally very happy that I just picked up all these little pieces and rolled it into one card.
00:54:06.03
Adz
ten of
00:54:10.65
Russell Gibson
That that was my personal sort of opinion.
00:54:13.12
Adz
is that a but is that Is that a prism?
00:54:13.29
Russell Gibson
But um no, no the LeBron is base and the Kobe is base too.
00:54:15.08
Adz
Is that like a silver? It's not a silver the LeBron, is it?
00:54:20.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah interesting.
00:54:21.45
Adz
I'd keep the Kobe.
00:54:23.11
Russell Gibson
Interesting.
00:54:24.29
Adz
I think the Kobe is fine.
00:54:27.12
Russell Gibson
I'm really happy, by the way. like Obviously, you you always get like regrets or whatever, but no, I'm really happy with how it all panned out.
00:54:28.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:31.45
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:34.11
Adz
and i'm And I'm guessing the the the West is a sticker auto.
00:54:37.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it was a sticker order.
00:54:39.36
Adz
Yep.
00:54:40.32
Russell Gibson
It's really interesting with the Jerry West. It's like, think my recollection was I paid $100 for it.
00:54:46.15
Adz
Hmm.
00:54:46.57
Russell Gibson
I didn't get anything near a $100 offer for the two years that I had it.
00:54:52.62
Adz
Funny, right? Yeah.
00:54:53.76
Russell Gibson
It was really interesting. And when I paid a hundred dollars for it, I was like, I was very happy to pay that for it. I thought number to 10, the condition of the card was like, it wouldn't have been PSA 10, but it was pretty good.
00:55:00.60
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:05.52
Adz
Yep.
00:55:05.89
Russell Gibson
um Anyway, interesting. Adam Reed. I have been fortunate to turn 200 meter LeBron's to about 10 higher end cards, rookie refractors, a PMG and autos as well. Although my, all my eggs aren't in one basket.
00:55:19.79
Russell Gibson
I still have some good rookies and vets as I love to trade. Yeah. Look, I think there is something to be said about that. It's just fun to trade.
00:55:24.77
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:55:25.65
Russell Gibson
And there is something to be said about trading, you know, 10 for one or, you know, whatever it is.
00:55:25.84
Adz
Yep.
00:55:30.08
Russell Gibson
um And Paul says lot too, but yeah.
00:55:30.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:34.96
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's move on from that bad boy. We've done that. Off-season purchases. Oh, well, we kind of, we've introduced this topic a little bit. I think we can do it again next week.
00:55:46.10
Adz
Maybe we do the off-season purchases stuff as ah as ah as a big one next week. What do you reckon?
00:55:54.67
Russell Gibson
Sure. I can edit this bit out.
00:55:56.53
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:57.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay. So what do you want to do instead?
00:55:58.57
Adz
Because then we just do the...
00:56:00.04
Russell Gibson
Like Dante X 5950.
00:56:00.22
Adz
Yeah, yeah, we'll go through the bits and make it the headline for next week.
00:56:04.73
Russell Gibson
Sure. I can do that. All right. all right I'll edit that out. And then we're starting again at 5608. All righty. We are just going to talk about some NBA news. This is from Shams Sharania.
00:56:20.00
Russell Gibson
Dante Exum considered two other contenders, but returns to Dallas to share ball handling duties to start the season with D'Angelo Russell. I actually think D'Lo and Exum is a really good backcourt pairing because Exum can do all the dirty work. He's not fussed at all whether he shoots or not.
00:56:40.37
Russell Gibson
And then D'Angelo Russell can just do his thing.
00:56:43.00
Adz
Shoot and screw it all up. Great.
00:56:44.74
Russell Gibson
and have someone to protect him.
00:56:44.88
Adz
Awesome.
00:56:46.02
Russell Gibson
So I think that's a really good signing. I also think too, I'm really happy to see Exum like survive in the NBA because he was out of the league for a little bit.
00:56:55.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:57.25
Russell Gibson
He was injured. And I think he shouldn't have gone that high in the draft, but I also think he's a really high IQ basketball player. He has legit NBA size and skills.
00:57:04.56
Adz
Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:57:06.45
Russell Gibson
Like, so yeah, I'm just really glad he sort of got himself back together and and got in there.
00:57:11.75
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:11.78
Russell Gibson
I'm actually curious to look at his card values.
00:57:14.89
Adz
DanteXM.
00:57:15.81
Russell Gibson
Is he even on card letter?
00:57:17.33
Adz
I doubt it. Let's
00:57:23.67
Adz
have a look at letter.
00:57:27.46
Russell Gibson
Dante XM 2015 court Kings last sold for $31.
00:57:35.70
Russell Gibson
I'm going to say this sold a very long time ago. ah no, not that long ago 2025. Yeah.
00:57:40.84
Adz
The Aurora.
00:57:41.75
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:57:43.38
Adz
Nice.
00:57:45.01
Russell Gibson
Look, yeah, I don't think there's a heap of collectability going on with Dante Exum.
00:57:48.43
Adz
No, no, no. A couple of Aussies that that that enjoy um ah side PC, I'm sure.
00:57:50.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:54.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. There's literally one card on card letter.
00:57:58.14
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:59.26
Russell Gibson
Speaking of the Kings, earlier on, I'll slag you on them saying how much of a mess they are. They've brought Dennis Schroeder in. Look, I've
00:58:05.91
Adz
Ooh, another team for Schroeder.
00:58:08.70
Russell Gibson
I've got no problems with Schroeder, to be honest.
00:58:11.34
Adz
Neither have
00:58:11.65
Russell Gibson
I would probably comment, though, there must be a reason why he's been on 15 or 16 teams that he's already been on. like
00:58:18.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:19.21
Russell Gibson
Is he one of those guys that just grinds people out and just annoys everybody in the locker room? I don't know.
00:58:26.08
Adz
I think he overvalues himself. $15 million dollars a year, I think, is is the right price. I think he was trying to hold out for more. He wanted 20 to 25 times. I know he wanted 17 or 18 at the Lakers and the Lakers are only going to give him eight to 10.
00:58:40.87
Adz
you know what I mean? Like he's just that little bit of, asked for a bit, but 15 mil year for three years at the Kings. Good. Congrats. Go to bag. Done.
00:58:51.62
Russell Gibson
I feel like he still hasn't lived down that time he rejected the $84 million dollars contract from the Lakers, though.
00:58:57.78
Adz
That's true.
00:59:00.79
Russell Gibson
I think.
00:59:01.75
Adz
Hmm.
00:59:03.87
Russell Gibson
Oh, God, that would keep you up at night for a while, wouldn't it?
00:59:06.73
Adz
Pretty bad.
00:59:08.30
Russell Gibson
Look, I think actually for me, it's obviously it's good for the Kings. There's no doubt about that. But I also think this is a bigger loss for the Pistons because but the Pistons were fun last year.
00:59:15.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:19.30
Russell Gibson
And how much, like they've already lost Malik Beasley, which for all, you know, all the stuff that's been said about his gambling and it doesn't seem like he's going to be back in the league.
00:59:30.86
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:32.20
Russell Gibson
I think that's a big loss to lose you know two of those guys. so
00:59:35.77
Adz
True.
00:59:35.99
Russell Gibson
maybe maybe what this means here is like you know who's going to step up. Like Ron Holland, for example. like I really like that kid. Does that mean now that he's got you know a guaranteed 20 to 25 minutes a game this year?
00:59:43.92
Adz
Yep.
00:59:49.34
Adz
Mm hmm. Sure.
00:59:51.45
Russell Gibson
And then the other one, obviously, Jaden Ivey.
00:59:51.86
Adz
Extra cash.
00:59:53.86
Russell Gibson
That's the other one too. so ESPN have got him projected into their starting lineup.
00:59:58.94
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:59.82
Russell Gibson
That puts a lot of pressure on him to...
01:00:02.26
Adz
Perform.
01:00:03.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and like that's it now. he's like Realistically, who else could start instead of him? Karis Levert, Duncan Robinson, maybe Duncan Robinson?
01:00:09.55
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:14.21
Adz
Yup.
01:00:15.73
Russell Gibson
I mean, that's really clutching at straws though, isn't it?
01:00:20.96
Russell Gibson
um Gershon Yubisali, hope I said that correctly. Apologies if I got it wrong.
01:00:24.82
Adz
Yubiselli.
01:00:25.75
Russell Gibson
Yubisali, thank you. um Two years, $12 million dollars with the Knicks. If Thibs had still been there, I would have said this is a fantastic signing because it's another Thibs guy, but he's no longer there.
01:00:36.28
Russell Gibson
So I'm super confused about this.
01:00:37.33
Adz
hu But he's a tough guy. No, he might just be some some some body.
01:00:42.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but like why? Why would you pay him $6 million dollars a year to do that? Like was it done...
01:00:47.33
Adz
You might need enforcer. You might need a tough player off the bench. It could be a poor man's Obi Toppin off the bench.
01:00:51.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:53.18
Adz
Do you know what i mean?
01:00:54.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But is that just done spitefully to sort of get back at the 76ers to make them a little bit...
01:01:02.33
Adz
Yeah, maybe. Maybe.
01:01:06.37
Russell Gibson
It's super weird. I don't know why they did that.
01:01:08.88
Adz
Ah, couple of bucks. couple bucks. Might as well.
01:01:12.24
Russell Gibson
Okay, fine.
01:01:12.65
Adz
He's got some bulk. He's not bad. I just remember his performance in the Olympics.
01:01:18.32
Russell Gibson
He's good player. Like, I don't think he's bad. I just, like the Knicks, like for me, are already really deep.
01:01:24.28
Adz
Yeah, that's true.
01:01:24.53
Russell Gibson
Brunson, Bridges, Josh Hart, OG, Kyle Towns.
01:01:27.20
Adz
But we've seen what a couple of injuries, a couple of injuries can do. and he's got size.
01:01:30.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:31.79
Adz
So maybe.
01:01:33.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe that's what they needed. Just another big, yep. Okay. All right, I'm wrong.
01:01:39.75
Russell Gibson
Again, from Shams, Detroit is trading Simone Fontetiscio to Miami to acquire Duncan Robinson in a side and trade deal.
01:01:49.95
Adz
Oh, that's a sign and trade.
01:01:51.71
Russell Gibson
So look, I really like this. I think this is really, really good. You know, i think for me, the irony is it's like if Malik Beasley was still there, they probably wouldn't need to do this trade.
01:02:00.09
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:03.39
Adz
Agreed.
01:02:04.14
Russell Gibson
And i think in the aggregate,
01:02:06.71
Adz
Still think it's a good move.
01:02:08.20
Russell Gibson
Like Robinson is a better shooter, but there's no way in any parallel universe that he's a better defender than Beasley is or was. So I think that's why I really struggle with this.
01:02:17.80
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:19.85
Russell Gibson
It's like, you know And essentially the reason why he was out of the Miami rotation in the end was that he just couldn't make coverages with any consistency. And I think when you're trying to you know win championships or make the second round the playoffs, for example, what the Pistons will be, it's like, when do you put him out there? but that's That's my issue with it.
01:02:41.99
Adz
yeah's fair perfect Yeah, fair.
01:02:42.69
Russell Gibson
I suppose he won't be betting on himself, so so maybe you'll sleep a little bit better.
01:02:47.05
Adz
ah Exactly.
01:02:48.38
Russell Gibson
If you're a Pistons assistant coach, i don't know All right, let's do one more. Then we'll finish off with a Kobe and then we'll get the hell out of here. What do you say, Ed?
01:02:55.80
Adz
Sounds like a plan.
01:02:57.50
Russell Gibson
All right, this is from Five Card Guys, and they do good sales data content. I quite like what they do. So August 2017, Anthony Davis, silver, PSA 10 rookie card, $1,200. August 2018, $1,000. August, sorry, July 2020, $9,500. January 21, $24,000. February 22, $6,500.
01:03:13.05
Russell Gibson
one thousand two hundred dollars august two thousand and eighteen a thousand august sorry july twenty twenty nine thousand five hundred january twenty one twenty four thousand dollars february twenty two six thousand five hundred June 2023, $2,750. And and may twenty twenty five nine hundred and ten dollars i will let you have the first take on this
01:03:43.82
Adz
I think
01:03:47.39
Adz
maybe maybe the 900 is undervalued. But you look at at look at and Anthony Davis's career and the trajectory, it's gone.
01:03:50.18
Russell Gibson
oo
01:04:01.76
Adz
When he was at the peak of his powers, obviously it's the the bubble championship with the Lakers. When he's healthy, he's phenomenal.
01:04:14.34
Adz
But this man has been hindered and heart like hampered by injuries his entire career. um and And I think it's impacted him in the hobby.
01:04:27.76
Adz
ah
01:04:32.11
Adz
i wish I could be be more positive about it, but I think we got very hopeful and we kept putting our our faith in Anthony Davis and he never really excelled, he he just declined over the years. And I think where he sits now in the hobby is about right.
01:04:48.82
Adz
um It's kind of like, it's a long-term Zion thing for me, except it happened.
01:04:50.19
Russell Gibson
I don't have...
01:04:55.92
Adz
It was like, bitter promise, injured, bitter promise, injured, bitter promise, injured.
01:05:01.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's definitely injury prone. Look, I don't think I have a problem with the current value. i would still actually say for me this is still a sell because...
01:05:09.97
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:11.68
Russell Gibson
I don't think going to Dallas is going to boost up his hobby value.
01:05:15.04
Adz
Does he get the Hall of Fame though?
01:05:16.97
Russell Gibson
this is the thing. i think this is when you really had that like long-term like sort of hobby conversation.
01:05:20.34
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:22.69
Russell Gibson
i'm like, i feel like for me, I'm getting it. I'm building up a new measuring stick. I'm going to go with James Worthy again. Like, I think if you compare the two resumes, you might end up arguing that James Worthy is a better NBA resume than Anthony Davis has got.
01:05:37.79
Adz
And Anthony Davis.
01:05:39.74
Russell Gibson
And I think,
01:05:42.16
Adz
Yep.
01:05:42.60
Russell Gibson
His sales aren't near what James Worthy is. What I would say about Anthony Davis, though, is look at his kabooms. His kaboom sales have been going up consistently. so the 2016 Excalibur...
01:05:58.67
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:59.42
Russell Gibson
Raw, last sold for $3.75. If you narrow that down to the last um one year, actually it's down 6%. Let's go to the last two years. It's up 23%.
01:06:09.72
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:12.20
Russell Gibson
And so if you look at old time, he's up, oh, that's probably 468%. It's literally just a straight line upwards. Yeah.
01:06:19.83
Adz
Mm.
01:06:20.08
Russell Gibson
And it's like, I wonder if the play with Anthony Davis is like low numbered case hits. Cause he's like good-ish player.
01:06:28.46
Adz
So not the rookie not the rookie card, but the standout stuff.
01:06:29.20
Russell Gibson
Like he's not a, yeah, he's not a potato so that you go, okay, look, he's a good player, but you're buying him in like the really good set.
01:06:31.38
Adz
Is that what you mean?
01:06:35.85
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:37.97
Russell Gibson
So then, okay. So then you go, okay, I can't afford potato. you can't afford a kabooms. And then you look at say a downtown or you look at, you know, some of the other case hit stuff with Anthony Davis. But, you know, I really think I'm probably beating a dead horse horse at this point in time.
01:06:56.86
Adz
No, no, I think you i think you ma you're making a very valid point.
01:06:57.19
Russell Gibson
i just think, I just think the kabooms in the longterm is like going to be something that's going to be you know very, very reliable. And if you are looking at lower end kabooms and
01:07:09.15
Adz
So which one do you which one do you go with? when Where's Anthony Davis at the peak of his powers? Are you going the 2019 Crown Royal? Kaboom.
01:07:15.84
Russell Gibson
Like, for example, I would rather say two or three of these Kabooms than one of his silver PSA 10s. Like, I think for me, the pace say the silver PSA 10 might go down more, whereas these Kabooms, I think if you hold on to them, I think you'll do really well out of them, even though it is Anthony Davis.
01:07:23.97
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:07:31.52
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.
01:07:31.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah. No, but my my my genuine question there is which Anthony Davis are you buying?
01:07:35.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:07:39.98
Adz
Are you buying new Orleans Anthony Davis or Lakers Anthony Davis? If you're not going for a rookie card,
01:07:50.10
Russell Gibson
I think if you're buying case hits, you just buy what falls into your your price point.
01:07:54.05
Adz
budget, okay.
01:07:55.43
Russell Gibson
Because that 2016 Excalibur, I actually think that's really undervalued.
01:07:58.77
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.
01:08:02.36
Russell Gibson
Like horribly, like horribly undervalued because the 2013 innovation, that's like, that's double the price.
01:08:02.38
Adz
There's a few out there that are... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:08:14.28
Adz
Okay. an interesting yeah um just ah It's an interesting one because there's the the Pelicans one and then there's the Lakers one.
01:08:15.76
Russell Gibson
All right.
01:08:24.56
Russell Gibson
And did you want to finish on the Kobe Caboom? No, you want to do the PMG.
01:08:27.91
Adz
Do we want to... I want us to do the PMG.
01:08:30.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, let's do the PMG. All right, great. You do this one, mate, and then we'll finish up.
01:08:33.63
Adz
Oh, and we'll wrap that off.
01:08:35.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:08:37.10
Adz
ah Where are we? Click, show that everyone playing at home. All right. Ladder headlines, noteworthy. 1997 Metal Universe, Kobe Bryant, number 81.
01:08:53.56
Adz
Funnily enough, almost a decade before he dropped 81 points. Anyway,
01:08:57.54
Russell Gibson
that is That's actually a little bit scary, isn't it?
01:08:59.94
Adz
Bit creepy, right?
01:09:00.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:01.13
Adz
um Recently sold for $144,000 from its previous sale um two years for 84. So earlier of sixty k
01:09:15.95
Adz
so and twenty twenty four it sold for sixty k
01:09:20.11
Adz
although back in twenty twenty three its off eighty four so still sixty k $60,000 to $80,000 increase in price. Look, it's a PMG. We know it's they're not the easiest cards to come by, and they are, i mean, they're the old Kabooms, the OGs.
01:09:43.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think this is a lot of what I base my Kaboom
01:09:50.41
Russell Gibson
optimism on is when I see stuff like this, like it's not even, ah and again, just to reiterate why the person did this is because it would have been graded so poorly.
01:09:52.66
Adz
yeah It's graded authentic.
01:10:02.44
Russell Gibson
You can see the, the damage on the card from a Photoshopped, you know, a zoomed out image.
01:10:03.35
Adz
ah You can notably see the white on the photo.
01:10:09.81
Russell Gibson
Um,
01:10:10.97
Adz
Yeah. The edges are cooked.
01:10:11.82
Russell Gibson
Do you know, like, you know, the really interesting thing but think about this is like, when I look at that, I'm like, is there a worse purchase for $144,000 at the moment than that?
01:10:12.87
Adz
Yeah.
01:10:22.64
Russell Gibson
Like, I really struggle with that. Like, to not even get like a ah two or a three.
01:10:26.83
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. There's nine of them out there.
01:10:34.32
Adz
I'm curious to know what if there's a if there are ones that are graded high out there.
01:10:36.93
Russell Gibson
Maybe it's.
01:10:38.55
Adz
Can you imagine that value?
01:10:39.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Maybe that's the thing with those cards. They were like maybe quite easy to damage. And so, cause for me, a pop report of nine is quite, that seems quite high to me.
01:10:45.53
Adz
How many? All right, so imagine if
01:10:50.68
Adz
that's in a PSA 9 or 10, is that seven figures? Yeah. is that seven figures
01:10:56.05
Russell Gibson
Oh,
01:10:59.07
Russell Gibson
like that. I mean, based on that, you could make the argument.
01:11:01.57
Adz
yeah
01:11:02.41
Russell Gibson
It's a million dollar card.
01:11:04.53
Adz
Yeah.
01:11:04.75
Russell Gibson
If it's a 10. Yeah.
01:11:07.58
Adz
Yeah. That's just.
01:11:09.04
Russell Gibson
What a cracker. Yeah.
01:11:13.26
Adz
Kobe Bryant. Now I'm looking up cards. Anyway.
01:11:16.47
Russell Gibson
All right, Ad. Thank you.
01:11:18.20
Adz
Thanks for for a great show.
01:11:20.21
Russell Gibson
As always, get well soon, mate.
01:11:22.88
Adz
Will do.
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Russell Gibson
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01:11:36.45
Russell Gibson
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01:11:37.02
Adz
Yeah. Yep.
01:11:40.31
Russell Gibson
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01:12:06.56
Adz
Yeah, we appreciate it.
01:12:07.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:12:08.03
Adz
and was it
01:12:08.31
Russell Gibson
We'll catch you all.
01:12:09.64
Adz
We'll see you next week.
01:12:10.58
Russell Gibson
Yep.