Episode 236: Alvaro O'Hehir, Card Shows & Caitlin Clark Market Watch

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In this week’s episode of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adam are joined by Alvaro O’Hehir from Fast Break Trading Cards. We talk about the huge year he’s had — from organising CollectFest Melbourne with Topps to preparing for Macau. Alvaro shares shop stories, lessons learned in prospecting, and why Pokémon and One Piece are taking over cabinets.

Then, we shift gears to Caitlin Clark. With her injury sidelining her season, what happens to the value of her cards? From $175K blockchain Kabooms to PSA 10 silvers, we break down recent sales, compare them to Zion and Wemby trends, and ask the tough question — should collectors be panicking or patient?

We round things out with a look at Steph Curry’s Select gold vs. green pricing, plus some market oddities that just don’t add up.

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00:00.00
Adz
yeah

00:00.85
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:01.97
Adz
I'll hit the

00:01.96
Russell Gibson
Just means we'll might end because I think what'd be better to do is end it and then start again when over is on here just for the editing afterwards, it'll be heaps easier.

00:09.34
Adz
that's alright I can i can um yeah we we did the live stream on um on YouTube is relatively unedited but ah as soon as i hit the go live button we that's when we just go and then cut it down a little bit to clean it up there we go

00:10.39
Alvaro O'Hehir
So this is obviously yeah obviously edited, you guys and then you guys put it put it through.

00:23.01
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

00:26.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26.81
Alvaro O'Hehir
No worries, man.

00:30.66
Russell Gibson
Tell me when you're ready, man.

00:31.93
Adz
And we are live.

00:46.64
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 236 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson, joined today by one of our of our sponsors.

01:02.46
Adz
It's Alvaro from Fast Break Trading Cards. Welcome aboard.

01:07.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07.46
Alvaro O'Hehir
Thank you, gentlemen. Nice to finally be here. We've been talking about this for a while, haven't we, boys?

01:12.15
Adz
It's been a work in progress for a while.

01:14.58
Russell Gibson
I'd say at least 12 months really.

01:17.12
Alvaro O'Hehir
it has there's been a lot going on the last 12 months though so apologies for not getting on here sooner um but yeah don't know yeah we definitely we'll definitely uh we'll definitely make it a regular a regular visit looking forward to jump on

01:20.05
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:25.15
Adz
a lot.

01:29.39
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

01:30.90
Russell Gibson
Tell us about the top two things you've done in the last 12 months and it's kept you so busy.

01:36.09
Adz
busy. Yep.

01:36.24
Alvaro O'Hehir
well to be honest i think collect fest was was massive um that was um as you've you've always known

01:36.47
Adz
Yep.

01:46.20
Alvaro O'Hehir
I suppose a lot of your viewers and listeners would probably have been there.

01:48.65
Adz
yeah

01:49.35
Alvaro O'Hehir
We did, we did collect first Melbourne. We didn't, we didn't venture into state. That'll be next year, but we, yeah we tried to put on as big a show as we could for, for the Melbourne show. And it took a lot of planning.

02:00.29
Alvaro O'Hehir
It was a lot of work, but it was well received and and we're glad we did it because people had a fantastic time.

02:01.02
Adz
yeah

02:07.83
Alvaro O'Hehir
We had an absolute ball. You know, we had, you know, Archie Thompson join us on the Sunday and Lenard Copeland join us on the Saturday and, I think the enjoyment that a lot of people that came to the show got out of those two fellas being there was, yeah I think it made the whole weekend for us really.

02:22.87
Alvaro O'Hehir
Um, and yeah, just being able to do it with tops, you know, that was, that was, that was amazing. You know, they were fantastic. They, they, you know, they wanted to get a bit of a footprint into Australia and, uh, they allowed us to, to be the ones to, to do it.

02:36.87
Alvaro O'Hehir
And, uh, it was, it was amazing.

02:36.96
Russell Gibson
To represent them.

02:37.56
Adz
Awesome. Yeah.

02:39.92
Alvaro O'Hehir
It was, it was really was, it was, um, And the boys from CollectFest, what a show. Like for a first-time effort, but was that was incredible.

02:44.82
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

02:47.56
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know, and I think that's – how amazing is it to see the strength of the hobby with shows like that? Even the hobby hangout at, the you know, the cult and the new venue, which was awesome, awesome.

02:56.45
Adz
The hobby hangout Excel. Yep.

02:58.63
Alvaro O'Hehir
They're announced for next year as well, so we'll be there. and

03:00.95
Russell Gibson
Yep.

03:01.81
Adz
Yep.

03:02.01
Alvaro O'Hehir
and And the boys this weekend coming up at Marble Stadium, which last year, we what a show that was as well.

03:06.40
Adz
Talk about Talk about venues though.

03:07.47
Alvaro O'Hehir
We had't we had such a good time.

03:09.55
Adz
Like look at this. Like go back two years ago, we were at the pavilion for the Hobby Hangout and that was it.

03:10.15
Alvaro O'Hehir
Man, it's a killer, absolutely killer.

03:14.38
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah yeah

03:16.13
Adz
And now all of a sudden we've got Royal Exhibition Building, we've got the Exhibition Centre with CollectFest and then we've got Marvel Stadium with the National. Like the hobby is

03:26.59
Russell Gibson
They're not, they're not garages or small basketball courts anymore, are they?

03:26.77
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah it's or town halls but it's and i'm not bagging town halls because when i was young that's what we used to go to you know the collectible shows at town halls you know but

03:29.97
Russell Gibson
They're actual proper.

03:30.05
Adz
not at all.

03:31.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

03:33.02
Adz
That's it.

03:37.19
Adz
That's where you'd go, yeah.

03:40.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
I think that's that's the growth of what we're doing and and and and, you know, the hobby that we're in, that we can actually fill out, you know, these venues.

03:44.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

03:47.61
Alvaro O'Hehir
And over the course of two days, you know, now it's becoming a norm to do it over a couple of days, which is unbelievable.

03:51.32
Adz
They're

03:54.51
Adz
two-day shows, here yeah.

03:54.49
Alvaro O'Hehir
But when you think about it, you know, John went to the yeah to the National 100,000 people, you know, Fanatics Fest, 100,000 people. that's

04:01.93
Adz
yeah

04:02.19
Russell Gibson
It's bananas numbers, isn't it?

04:02.60
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's it's um it's a amazing.

04:03.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

04:04.60
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's big numbers. Yeah.

04:05.53
Adz
ah hobby The hobby is certainly healthy, that's for sure.

04:05.97
Alvaro O'Hehir
But it's definitely

04:09.12
Russell Gibson
It's bigger than sporting events and concerts.

04:09.36
Alvaro O'Hehir
amazing.

04:11.08
Russell Gibson
When you say a hundred thousand people, like that's yeah.

04:13.63
Adz
And well, I think i think and to to sort of loop this in as well, we're not talking about just having big shows.

04:13.67
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's crazy.

04:20.66
Adz
there are there If you look up on your calendar, normally there's something going on somewhere. and And it can be a small swap meet.

04:27.64
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, there is.

04:29.70
Adz
It can be a store having a trade day. There's something happening every weekend. And it's it's it's fantastic to see in the hobby.

04:34.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Used to be once or twice a year. It's the the calendar is quite packed now.

04:37.83
Adz
Yeah.

04:39.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

04:39.82
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Just I randomly was at the Queen Vic Market the other week and they decided to try and slate a trade day thing on there to sort of capitalize on the influx of Pokemon interest.

04:40.78
Alvaro O'Hehir
and And there was one way that...

04:44.56
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

04:51.66
Adz
But it's nuts.

04:52.92
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, that's, yeah. we've had a couple of We've had a couple of trade days ourselves alone.

04:54.60
Adz
It's

04:56.88
Alvaro O'Hehir
We had the anniversary, the the one in March, which was fantastic.

04:57.42
Adz
Yes.

05:00.70
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's a bit hard, especially where we're at, you know, with the outdoor venue that we've got as well. We'd love to host more, but we're dependent, you know.

05:07.37
Adz
Yep.

05:09.20
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, yeah, but we'll get more done in the future.

05:13.44
Adz
Yeah, but it's...

05:13.85
Alvaro O'Hehir
but the other one is we've got Macau, we've got Macau coming up as well, which we're,

05:16.70
Russell Gibson
Talk about Macau because that's kind of a big deal, man.

05:17.73
Adz
You're going international.

05:18.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

05:19.21
Adz
This is this is is awesome.

05:21.69
Alvaro O'Hehir
ands good yeah. And a lot of, a lot of the Aussie guys do, um, you know, it was, it's a last minute thing for us.

05:25.00
Adz
ye

05:27.43
Alvaro O'Hehir
We only, you know, really organized it a month, a month ago, but, uh, we went last year for the first time and it was unbelievable. Like it's, you know, it's the first time I've ever been to Hong Kong and Macau and, um,

05:39.42
Alvaro O'Hehir
they do it really well as well. You know, I think this, this year they got Jalen Green and I've, you know, they've got a preseason NBA game, which would be good.

05:41.68
Adz
Yeah.

05:46.75
Adz
That's nice.

05:49.62
Alvaro O'Hehir
um Yeah. So yeah, we're looking forward to it.

05:54.19
Russell Gibson
What's your objectives in Macau?

05:54.32
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's a massive market, isn't it? Yeah.

05:55.94
Russell Gibson
What are you going to do man? Because that's that's a huge entry point for you guys to go to

05:59.17
Alvaro O'Hehir
Well, last year, yeah, definitely. But last year, I think it's to stabilize us in one point because last year we spent eight hours on the show floor the first day, just,

06:08.63
Adz
Well,

06:09.99
Alvaro O'Hehir
just literally just dealing. and And then, um, then the second day we did the same and time goes so quick.

06:12.13
Adz
yep.

06:16.90
Alvaro O'Hehir
bit like the national, when when we were, went to the national, uh, three years ago when it was at Atlantic city. And I'll tell you what, you, you lose yourself in what you see, you know, and the, you know, and, but I think the beauty about McDowell is, you know, these, these are our Asian partners in a way when it comes to the hobby, you know what I mean?

06:25.60
Adz
Yep.

06:28.04
Adz
Mm.

06:32.80
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

06:34.73
Alvaro O'Hehir
And a lot of them actually, I actually got a, a lot of feedback that a lot of, a lot of fellas actually get on our pages and purchase because it's, you know, we actually do have some decent cards here that they pick up and, and sell at the show.

06:46.16
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, you know, there's a lot of guys there on the, on the, 100, 100% it is.

06:46.94
Russell Gibson
Exchange rate's pretty favorable for them too, so... Yeah.

06:51.76
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's lost to me.

06:52.85
Adz
I was going to say that's – it would be – it's something, I suppose, relationship building is one aspect. But I suppose getting new pieces for but the shop or for, like, expanding internationally is is a place where you do – you pick up a bigger variety of cards.

07:04.80
Alvaro O'Hehir
Hmm.

07:12.38
Alvaro O'Hehir
Definitely. And last year, I took a couple of bigger cards that I sold there and rolled that into a lot of mid-range, let's say $500 cards, including my biggest card at the time that I had at the shop was the Kobe um Flawless to Five.

07:15.50
Adz
Yep.

07:19.71
Adz
Okay.

07:31.01
Alvaro O'Hehir
That was a bit hard to get rid of. But because people come to the shop and ask, hey, what's your PC like? I haven't got a PC because everything's at the shop.

07:36.84
Adz
wouldn't be Wouldn't be difficult these days, I reckon. Yeah.

07:39.96
Alvaro O'Hehir
everything's at the shop You know what I mean? i And I'd rather, yeah you know, and it's it was hard to do, but to be honest, it was, you know, bringing back 60 cards back to the shop made it it made it a lot easier because it was inventory that we needed at the time.

07:41.95
Adz
Yeah.

07:48.96
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

07:51.77
Adz
Yep. Fills those cabinets up.

07:54.76
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, yeah.

07:55.01
Adz
Yep.

07:55.72
Alvaro O'Hehir
So...

07:55.75
Adz
So ah that was going to be my follow-on question for that.

07:57.44
Alvaro O'Hehir
it

07:58.19
Adz
When you go to these shows, um what's the objective? Is it is it normally to to turn over particular cards? is it too Do you target specific players, cards, anything like that when you go?

08:12.09
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, you have to you have to you have to.

08:13.61
Adz
Yep.

08:14.01
Alvaro O'Hehir
You have to. You have to target cards and plays that are liquid at the time because if not, they're sitting at the shop and that's money that we could have invested elsewhere that we bring into the shop where it gives people the opportunity to buy, you know, the plays that current at the time.

08:17.68
Adz
ye

08:23.27
Adz
Yep.

08:27.74
Adz
Mm-hmm.

08:27.98
Alvaro O'Hehir
And that's why when people come to the shop and they want to sell cards, you know, so look we don't know why we can't buy everything, you know. and and And everyone that comes to this shop now, they they understand that because we have to be able to,

08:34.68
Adz
No.

08:39.05
Alvaro O'Hehir
buy cards that we know we can move and and the money keeps flowing. Cause if not, you stagnate with your inventory and you just build up the, you know, these cards at the shop that you can't get rid of, you know, and, um, and that means we can't buy more cards from other people that come into the shop.

08:49.97
Adz
Yep.

08:55.19
Alvaro O'Hehir
So it's, it's a turnover process. That's, that's important. Um, so.

09:00.41
Russell Gibson
So I think this is a ah fun sort of almost subheading for what we could talk about next is like, what's some of the mistakes that you've made when you've been purchasing inventory or what's some of the, like the successes you might say it like that of picking up pieces from people.

09:14.55
Alvaro O'Hehir
I think I'm a prospector. um And i like to I like to buy rooks, you know. um So that's your Jared Culvers, your Sekou Doumboyas, those kind of cards that you bought at peak, you know, 19, 20.

09:31.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

09:32.16
Adz
Yeah.

09:32.45
Alvaro O'Hehir
They're the Burns. Even looking at Zions, I haven't brought out...

09:35.09
Adz
ah

09:36.00
Alvaro O'Hehir
la Zions are sitting sitting at home because I'm too scared to bring them to the shop.

09:40.27
Russell Gibson
yeah

09:41.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
um But ah think you know you know I think that ave even two weeks ago, there was a young fellow who came into the shop and I had a yeah ah yeah and Luca Optic Choice Mojo sitting there for a couple of thousand dollars and the last comp was 4,000 and I hadn't checked comps for a while on that card. And he came in, he said, oh, you know, that's a $4,000 card. I said, mate, it says 2,000. If you want it for 2,000, you take it for 2,000.

10:05.98
Alvaro O'Hehir
Once you walk out of that shop, um I'm going to have to change the price.

10:08.38
Adz
the tickets the The ticket's changing, yeah.

10:09.28
Alvaro O'Hehir
But he... Yeah, was going to have to. No, he took it and congratulations. Good on him. He did his research.

10:15.84
Adz
Yep.

10:16.11
Alvaro O'Hehir
It was a pop 14, you know. um I always knew was a good card. that was That was, you know, for years, the last two years, it was a $2,000 card. But there was a recent sale for $4,000.

10:24.30
Adz
Yep.

10:26.07
Alvaro O'Hehir
But good on him. That's, you know, that's that's him doing his research and he and he did well.

10:33.30
Russell Gibson
So just talk a little bit more about that because we're talking about that offline with like the population counts and comparing that to Pokemon and how that sort of plays out.

10:39.77
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

10:41.03
Russell Gibson
Like how do you manage that sort of buying and selling in that type of space? Because Pokemon is so big at the moment. We can't not talk about it.

10:48.50
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah hot Yeah, so Hodgie's the Pokemon expert at the shop.

10:49.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

10:53.94
Alvaro O'Hehir
I'm still getting used to it. Ads and I have spoken about this.

10:56.60
Adz
Yeah.

10:56.71
Alvaro O'Hehir
it's But it's a phenomenon. Like, when we first opened the shop last March, um I don't think we had much Pokemon, if any. um

11:05.03
Adz
Yep.

11:05.57
Alvaro O'Hehir
We were getting boxes. um But singles, we didn't have any. And now it probably makes up, probably makes up, I'd say, 40% of our inventory.

11:17.36
Adz
Wow. That's a huge shift.

11:19.08
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. Yeah. Graded that is, you know.

11:22.71
Adz
Yep.

11:24.07
Alvaro O'Hehir
ah Inventory sitting in the shop, I'd say, considering we've got NBA and all the sports, um it takes up one full cabinet and we got three cabinets in the store.

11:29.57
Adz
Yep.

11:33.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

11:34.87
Adz
Wow.

11:35.29
Alvaro O'Hehir
ah Okay. So, and even today, you know, Kobe, but i I went to the shop today to give her, Kobe's a bit of a hand. He said, elves, we need more.

11:42.78
Adz
Yep.

11:43.87
Alvaro O'Hehir
We need more inventory. You know, we're we're running out of slabs. um We're running out of boxes. um We just can't get enough of it.

11:50.31
Adz
Wow.

11:51.80
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

11:52.22
Adz
Yeah, poker Pokemon...

11:52.79
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. It's it's it's crazy.

11:54.84
Adz
is is there Is there any concern because it's not like I feel like Pokemon versus Topps, Panini, whoever's producing them the NBA stuff?

12:05.75
Adz
Because at its heart, it's a TCG.

12:08.80
Alvaro O'Hehir
Hmm.

12:09.50
Adz
Is there just the problem that they'll just overprint it to keep up with supply? will will that Will that flatten the market?

12:16.80
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, but... I don't, it's hard to say. I thought, I think it's overprinted. You know, we've and we've spoken about, you know, some pop reports coming up with 14,000, you know, you look at it, for they don't.

12:24.35
Adz
Yeah.

12:27.04
Adz
Well, they don't number any of it. They don't serial number anything. So you don't know how many of a card has been printed. So that to itself is

12:35.40
Russell Gibson
I think once you're into the 14,000, that's all you need to know though, isn't it? Like that's that's too many.

12:40.39
Alvaro O'Hehir
Well, I'd look at that and I'll look at, you know, let's say a shack. you know, Shaq rookie cards. And that's their, you know, that's their pop numbers, maybe even more, you know, and and we called that the junk wax era and that's people, yeah older, older collectors come into the shop they said, help me.

12:48.26
Adz
Yeah.

12:53.08
Alvaro O'Hehir
Why is this Shaq rookies, you know, so cheap? I said, mate, have a look at the proper report. There's so many of them out there.

12:58.12
Adz
There's thousands of them. Yeah, literally.

13:00.42
Alvaro O'Hehir
A hundred percent. But you look at, yeah I think that, you know, there was a magic cup that, um, that I looked at recently and, uh, was it eight, if I'm not mistaken, 8,000 10s. And,

13:11.43
Alvaro O'Hehir
and um

13:12.19
Adz
Wow.

13:13.11
Alvaro O'Hehir
8000 PSA grade but anyway it's 4000 $4000 card as a PSA 10 unbelievable it's crazy it's crazy yeah

13:14.62
Adz
Yeah. that's and that's That's just nuts. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah, I keep um want to dip my toes in.

13:26.19
Adz
like um i really I like Pokemon. like I've played po and Pokemon games over the years. I enjoy Pokemon, but I'm terrified to jump in because I just ah don't understand it the way I understand basketball cards.

13:38.16
Russell Gibson
I'm the same. I've got such a knowledge deficit.

13:39.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah yeah

13:40.28
Russell Gibson
I just don't want to touch it almost. It's yeah.

13:42.35
Adz
Yeah. I mean, ah it's ah it's okay to buy a little bit of it to go, let's let's have a look at it and put it in some top loaders, but as far as slabs and everything goes, it terrifies me.

13:43.17
Alvaro O'Hehir
what my young

13:53.16
Alvaro O'Hehir
I'm around it all the time and I've come to love it. I just i just think it looks amazing.

13:56.13
Adz
Yep.

13:57.46
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know what I mean? And it's a bit like the one at the moment that's really, really gaining a lot of steam is One Piece.

13:58.43
Adz
Yep.

14:04.05
Alvaro O'Hehir
My young fella, he's all over his young, well, not two years, 25, but

14:04.11
Adz
That's interesting.

14:07.78
Adz
that because of the TV show? Is that like because One Piece, is they've got a live action one on Netflix or something? Yeah.

14:12.93
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, so he's my he's my but my young fella's been watching the anime for for years, and um and there's you know there's it's been going for a long time.

14:18.20
Adz
Yep.

14:22.24
Alvaro O'Hehir
He said, Dad, you can't watch the one on Netflix. And I said, mate, I can't watch the other one. ah that's it's it's it's too this There's too many episodes. But I started watching the Netflix one to get it a gauge of who the characters are and who the more important characters are.

14:31.55
Adz
Yep.

14:33.76
Alvaro O'Hehir
But it's a massive following. It's huge. it's In Japan, it's massive.

14:36.83
Adz
Wow. Yep.

14:38.83
Alvaro O'Hehir
When we went to the Makao Show last year, there was there was there was a lot of One Piece.

14:39.27
Adz
Wow.

14:43.14
Alvaro O'Hehir
um I've had people come into the shop that are, the Star Wars collectors. And then I said, mate, check out one piece.

14:49.39
Adz
Yep.

14:50.85
Alvaro O'Hehir
He came back, bought one box and came back and bought, I think the last three boxes that we had, he goes, Elby, these are fantastic. You know, we've got NBA collectors that, you know, started the started the hobby when we opened the shop and they were buying NBA.

14:57.73
Adz
well yeah

15:03.78
Alvaro O'Hehir
um And then they're like, mate, when the hit rates are too hard. They started buying one piece and Elby, we make our money back nearly on every box. You know, it's, um,

15:12.07
Adz
Wow.

15:13.25
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's huge. Yeah, because you can still get it.

15:13.99
Russell Gibson
That is definitely a problem with the NBA at the moment.

15:14.73
Alvaro O'Hehir
You still...

15:15.75
Russell Gibson
Like breaking even is just a really difficult concept. Yeah.

15:22.15
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:24.30
Adz
Yeah, wonder, that's going to be an interesting, yeah, moving forward, I think, yeah.

15:30.83
Alvaro O'Hehir
But but the the thing I have noticed in the last year, and it's obviously because, well, no, it's probably because the the big rooks haven't been signing. theres There's a lot more hits in retail product than there was previously.

15:42.65
Alvaro O'Hehir
Like, if you have a look at Mosaic, know, you've got Stain Glass, you've got Genesis, and you've got Micro Mosaics in Blasters.

15:44.04
Adz
Mmm.

15:49.39
Alvaro O'Hehir
Fantastic. And you still get those.

15:51.02
Adz
Yeah.

15:52.49
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know? So there's something to chase. um Downtown's in in Optic, you know, and even in Donruss. um

15:59.62
Adz
Yeah.

16:01.10
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know, you've got the Mangas in Prism. Massive cards. And, yes, they're very scarce, but there's something to chase. Whereas previous, man, like, what were you chasing?

16:06.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely.

16:06.70
Adz
Yeah.

16:07.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

16:09.76
Alvaro O'Hehir
Silver Prisms?

16:11.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they've worked that out, definitely.

16:11.21
Alvaro O'Hehir
and You know, it's

16:12.82
Russell Gibson
And particularly when Panini lost all their autograph rights, like that's something they really pivoted quickly and they they figured that out really well.

16:13.62
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

16:16.69
Adz
Yeah. Perfect.

16:19.25
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

16:19.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

16:20.73
Alvaro O'Hehir
But we've noticed it in tops as well.

16:20.83
Russell Gibson
Hey, let's let's take a break and then we'll come back and we'll talk some product review and then we'll well get you out of here.

16:24.17
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. All

16:27.42
Russell Gibson
How does that sound?

16:28.55
Adz
perfect

16:28.91
Alvaro O'Hehir
good. No worries at all.

16:29.67
Russell Gibson
Great.

16:39.20
Russell Gibson
And we are back. We are back with Alvaro from Fastbreak Trading Cards. And of course, Adam's with us today.

16:48.04
Adz
I am, I am, and I'm hydrated.

16:51.15
Russell Gibson
And let's talk about some some product that's coming out, Alvi, because I think that was one thing we definitely wanted to talk to you about today and we just haven't gotten around to doing it. So what what product's coming out soon?

16:59.19
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, for sure. For sure. So...

17:02.89
Russell Gibson
What's on the horizon? What are you excited for? What should we be looking out for?

17:07.32
Adz
Anything that's gonna be in the spotlight next week at the National, maybe?

17:12.24
Alvaro O'Hehir
ah Well, we're but we're bringing some boxing. ah that was That's new. and First time since 1951, I think, that Topps has released a boxing product.

17:20.09
Adz
Oh.

17:20.23
Alvaro O'Hehir
So that's it's different. it's it's And the thing about, I suppose, because i um you know I'm a big NBA and NFL collector, but it's nice to, once you know once we're just being in the shop, it's it's it's nice to see that we've got something for everyone.

17:28.27
Adz
Yep.

17:35.21
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know, there's Star Wars, NBL nbo released two weeks ago, and that that product's been fantastic, to be honest.

17:36.04
Adz
Yeah.

17:41.68
Alvaro O'Hehir
ah You know, we've got June, SpongeBob. Disney's a massive one. Disney Tops Chrome. That's coming up probably a couple of weeks' time.

17:48.95
Adz
Disney tops Chrome.

17:51.07
Alvaro O'Hehir
Disney Tops Chrome. I think there's there's the Hobby Megas and um Value Boxes coming out.

17:57.26
Adz
Wow.

17:57.66
Alvaro O'Hehir
June's another big one. Like, um if you're a fan of the the movies with the third one coming out,

18:01.49
Adz
Is it going to be the the whole franchise or is it just part three?

18:06.28
Alvaro O'Hehir
we don't know yet. But i'm I'm hoping it's the whole franchise because of's some serious characters, you know, actors in the first one, you know.

18:10.98
Adz
Some big names in this.

18:11.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

18:12.02
Adz
Some Chalamet, some Momoa, Zendaya.

18:14.18
Alvaro O'Hehir
the Well, i you'd think there would be. So, but once again, yeah haven't got the checklists there.

18:20.29
Adz
Yep.

18:20.95
Russell Gibson
You never want to say for sure they do, you right? Yeah.

18:23.71
Adz
Oh, look, we can have our wish list.

18:23.81
Alvaro O'Hehir
No, no.

18:24.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

18:25.19
Adz
but

18:26.00
Alvaro O'Hehir
And know and i've and i've I've already had people hit me up about SpongeBob, you know. it's um Yeah, so it's all happening.

18:31.43
Adz
Wow.

18:31.84
Alvaro O'Hehir
And that's the beauty. You know, we've got some more Star Wars coming out. Yeah. You know, there's one piece that released last week. There's another there's another release coming out soon.

18:41.49
Adz
Yep.

18:42.02
Alvaro O'Hehir
There's a massive Pokemon release coming out in November. So there's – you know what, the guys? there's There's something coming out every every week, really. um

18:50.46
Adz
Yeah.

18:50.53
Alvaro O'Hehir
And it's just, yeah. For us, the um but baseball and the yeah and the soccer stuff, we've got EPL coming out, I think, this week. um

18:59.06
Adz
Okay.

18:59.33
Alvaro O'Hehir
So Topps got their licence for EPL. Yeah.

19:03.31
Adz
Jesus.

19:03.66
Alvaro O'Hehir
So they'll be releasing that next week. So it's maybe it's all happening. And the one that we're really, we can't wait is NBA. It's not far away, October. But we just we just don't know what's coming out just yet.

19:15.30
Adz
No, well well, we'll have to get you back for ah for the the range of NBA products that come out and when it drops.

19:21.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it. When it actually has dropped down and yeah.

19:23.23
Alvaro O'Hehir
hundred percent 100%.

19:24.36
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

19:25.30
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. Well, if it's anything like... You'd say they're going to release what they've released this last year, which has been unlicensed.

19:33.51
Adz
That makes sense, right?

19:33.55
Alvaro O'Hehir
you know Inception you know released this week, actually. that was and Inception's a bit like Court Kings. So I'm really looking forward to that um you know once it is licensed because I'm a big fan of Court Kings.

19:44.54
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

19:50.22
Alvaro O'Hehir
So if that's if that's going to be a similar kind of product. I think we've got Royalty, which I think yeah on Decard World might be and there might be a ah preview on it.

20:01.44
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, which that's going to be a real a massive product.

20:02.23
Adz
yeah

20:04.88
Alvaro O'Hehir
We've, you know, we've seen ah tennis royalty and we've seen UFC and that's been absolute fire. I think six autos in it. um Amazing product. You know, so, but now I'm excited for it. Yeah. Topps Chrome, Topps Fire and a stadium club. If, if there is a stadium club release, there has been in soccer in the past, um has been baseball as well.

20:25.48
Alvaro O'Hehir
um So yeah, it's, um, Mate, we're pumped. We're so excited. Yeah.

20:31.44
Adz
I think we're all pretty excited to see what come what what actually, yeah, once it hits hits the shelves.

20:37.87
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

20:38.17
Adz
we We got a taste last year, didn't we?

20:38.83
Alvaro O'Hehir
And once the...

20:40.01
Adz
like we got it we Obviously, we got Topps Chrome last year, but it wasn't licensed.

20:44.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

20:44.83
Adz
So we've seen, yeah we we've seen what the unlicensed version looks like and wave we've definitely had a little critique about how the unlicensed product looked.

20:45.00
Alvaro O'Hehir
Topps, top finest we got. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cosmic Chrome. We got my teeth. Yeah.

20:57.04
Adz
But now the license is in this.

20:59.98
Alvaro O'Hehir
Well, the thing about the analysis, what you did get to see is the RPAs, which look unbelievable. There was a release ah resurgence for NFL and some of those some of those patches at next level.

21:12.11
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know, you guys you guys had a conversation, discussion about the Logo Man, which was not player worn compared to the Wemby.

21:12.19
Adz
Yep.

21:21.41
Alvaro O'Hehir
Was it the was it the yeah the Jordan um that was actually player worn and he had his signature?

21:23.12
Adz
That's right.

21:27.35
Alvaro O'Hehir
You know what I mean?

21:28.33
Adz
Yeah.

21:29.08
Alvaro O'Hehir
i You know, the player-worn stuff, I've always, you know, I've always been a big fan of the player-worn.

21:34.38
Russell Gibson
You prioritize that for sure.

21:35.54
Adz
Yeah.

21:35.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

21:36.27
Adz
Yeah.

21:36.27
Russell Gibson
ye

21:37.16
Adz
yeah

21:37.24
Alvaro O'Hehir
100%. And on card. You know, a lot of the stuff that we've seen, a lot of it's been on card. The redemptions are 10-year redemptions. We've had people at the shop open up five-year boxes, got fans.

21:46.85
Adz
ye

21:47.52
Alvaro O'Hehir
Like, there was a ah Steph Curry order that come out. The customer got points. You know what I mean? Whereas with tops, you open something up and you've got the next 10 years to be able to to redeem it.

21:57.71
Adz
You've got time to redeem it.

21:57.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
That's massive.

21:59.11
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true.

21:59.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Some of the stories coming out of like redemptions in the moment are not great with Panini, like not great at all.

21:59.88
Alvaro O'Hehir
That's huge. No, no, it's unfortunate to be honest.

22:06.02
Russell Gibson
And points is worse than.

22:09.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
And look, as a business owner, you know, people, they spend, it's, you know, it's not cheap to buy product.

22:16.21
Adz
Yeah.

22:16.34
Alvaro O'Hehir
And for you to get a redemption the u can that no, not at all, man, not at all.

22:17.07
Russell Gibson
Hobby boxes are, you're not mucking around. Yeah. Yeah.

22:21.97
Alvaro O'Hehir
um You know, and kid comes in with his parents for, you know, for his birthday, gets a hobby box, pulls a redemption and gets points. Come on, you know,

22:28.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

22:29.36
Adz
And it's just such a it's such a feels bad moment because you expect to hit a big card and a redemption is just like, oh.

22:29.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
That's 100% it is. 100% it is.

22:38.08
Adz
Like you just, yeah.

22:38.19
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's an exciting, and then yeah and then you realise that you can't redeem it, and it's like, yeah, that's, yeah.

22:43.08
Adz
It's just a nightmare. Like you'd rather just pull the card out of the pack, but to have to go through a redemption process and then when the process says that, oh, by the way, we can't redeem this, here's here's some compensation.

22:44.08
Russell Gibson
pretty shit yeah

22:56.62
Adz
It's not, it doesn't feel good.

22:56.70
Alvaro O'Hehir
I did get one feel-good story out of a box of Spectra,

22:58.83
Adz
Yep.

23:00.38
Alvaro O'Hehir
which you know how expensive Spectre is. twenty twenty one 2021, when we first opened the shop last year, ah so it was March 24, one of our customers pulled out of the one box a Lomelo RPA and then a Lomelo and Wiseman dual auto out of the same box, both redemptions.

23:21.20
Alvaro O'Hehir
They offered him points, he called up, no, I'm not taking points, ended up getting both cards.

23:24.14
Adz
Not taking points.

23:25.77
Alvaro O'Hehir
They had both cards.

23:28.68
Adz
so So they offered points, but they offered they wanted...

23:32.46
Alvaro O'Hehir
He refuse refused the points and good on him.

23:34.71
Adz
But they had the card, so...

23:34.78
Alvaro O'Hehir
So he ended up pulling up and said, mate, they had the cards. So, but anyway, it's, we don't have to worry about this anymore.

23:42.01
Russell Gibson
That's just a shit effort though, isn't it?

23:43.41
Alvaro O'Hehir
It's, it's not ideal, man.

23:43.77
Russell Gibson
Like that's, that's just really bad.

23:44.95
Adz
Yeah.

23:45.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

23:46.51
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. People pay good money, you know.

23:47.38
Russell Gibson
Let's, let's stay in this vein. I've got some stuff in the run sheet from this week that was going to be later on the show. So let's bring this forward. So this is a, um I've got a positive and a negative story on this exact topic, which is,

23:58.78
Russell Gibson
People now getting their redemption.

23:58.83
Adz
Oh, the redemptions. Yeah.

24:00.33
Russell Gibson
So this is from Sports Cards Nonsense.

24:01.38
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

24:02.36
Russell Gibson
Very bittersweet moment today. After waiting since December of 22 for the redemption, and after six months of waiting on a white box, I finally decided to settle up before Panini doesn't hold any licenses and I get completely screwed.

24:14.66
Russell Gibson
Was told I'll be getting 15 Sparkle 2024 Mosaic football packs and some extras. I'm finally... I'm happy to finally have it resolved as packs should be here on Monday, but sad because I feel like I got extorted into accepting something lesser, which is actually quite similar to the story you just told then, Alvaro.

24:32.97
Adz
Yeah.

24:33.62
Russell Gibson
um And he was waiting for a Luka Doncic autograph from twenty one twenty two ah Panini Select.

24:39.66
Alvaro O'Hehir
think I think because I think I saw this. Yeah.

24:41.61
Russell Gibson
So i I wouldn't want to take Sparkle packs for that.

24:42.16
Adz
Yeah.

24:45.95
Russell Gibson
like That to me is

24:47.49
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

24:48.12
Russell Gibson
That's extortion either way you look at it, like in my very small opinion.

24:50.56
Adz
That's just crap.

24:52.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Especially with someone like that who is you know, he's still on the license moving forward.

24:53.32
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

24:56.82
Russell Gibson
Like ah i would take a ah different Luca autograph instead of the sparkle packs, if that makes sense.

24:58.15
Adz
Yeah, that's true as well.

25:04.07
Russell Gibson
Like just give give me any Luca autograph.

25:05.60
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. 100%.

25:06.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:07.04
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

25:07.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:08.19
Alvaro O'Hehir
Look, there's been other stories where we've had a customer buy 21, 22 fast break, and he got a Jalen Johnson to 50. It had a massive crinkle. all the way down the card.

25:19.53
Alvaro O'Hehir
He did get sparkle packs, but at least he got something. He got two sparkles and then ended up getting a Brandon Miller in red sparkle. So that wasn't too bad.

25:26.21
Adz
ka

25:27.11
Alvaro O'Hehir
At least they did something about it. But I went to try and um ah put in put in a ticket for it and they said after a year, they won't generate tickets for it for a damaged product.

25:31.25
Adz
Yeah.

25:39.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're they're clamping down on like everything.

25:39.63
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, yeah.

25:41.26
Adz
I really...

25:41.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they're really putting down limitations on it.

25:42.71
Adz
They're just...

25:43.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

25:44.53
Alvaro O'Hehir
But what my suggestion is if you get something like that, just call them. Because if you go through the process of jumping online, you're not going to get anywhere.

25:49.27
Adz
Yeah.

25:52.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, interesting.

25:52.70
Alvaro O'Hehir
Give them a poll. They've actually, from this from those two stories that we've had customers call up, it was favourable, you know.

25:59.46
Adz
Yeah.

25:59.51
Alvaro O'Hehir
um But the the one the customer that did get the Steph Curry, he just got offered points online and just accepted it because he wasnt it it was new to the hobby. So didn't know how it worked. But the two the two customers that we've had call up have actually had good outcomes.

26:10.28
Adz
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

26:12.45
Alvaro O'Hehir
So...

26:12.56
Russell Gibson
yeah I've got a positive one here too. This is from Phil Richards on NCM.

26:17.82
Adz
ye

26:18.36
Russell Gibson
um How do you think I went with this Panini Redemption after waiting for eight years? While Damar, and that would be Damar DeRozan and Damari Carroll.

26:26.56
Adz
yeah

26:27.24
Russell Gibson
um is a possible Hall of Famer, but not exactly a superstar player. But the fact he rarely has signed any products suggests this might have been worth a decent amount if this redemption was fulfilled.

26:36.15
Alvaro O'Hehir
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

26:38.44
Russell Gibson
The third player was intended to be Valanciunas, I believe, and it should have been numbered to 25. So in replacement for that, he got a Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton, jewel on card, Immaculate Auto.

26:51.68
Adz
Nice.

26:51.72
Russell Gibson
i I personally think he won that getting the Rasheed Wallace and Richard richard Hamilton. But I'd also say too, like these athletes need to fulfill their contracts.

27:00.68
Adz
Yeah.

27:02.95
Russell Gibson
Like I don't always blame Panini for this, by the way, too. Like this is also to do with like the players.

27:08.50
Adz
Not signing stuff and yeah.

27:08.79
Russell Gibson
but And DeRozan is known for this type of like, you know, bad behavior, basically.

27:10.07
Alvaro O'Hehir
You

27:13.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

27:14.89
Adz
Yeah.

27:17.53
Adz
Well, let's just let...

27:17.78
Alvaro O'Hehir
you know, there was a time there we didn't know Lavella was going to sign, did we?

27:22.11
Adz
Yeah, there's a delay on the mellow.

27:22.94
Alvaro O'Hehir
the ended He ended up coming to the party, which was good.

27:24.93
Adz
but But that was COVID related, wasn't it? Like getting the, yeah.

27:27.09
Russell Gibson
So the story on that was that he missed or there was some misinterpretation with his contract.

27:27.27
Alvaro O'Hehir
i think that was Kevin Millay.

27:32.38
Russell Gibson
He thought it was just for the the draft product, but actually it was for his MBA.

27:35.32
Adz
Yeah.

27:37.12
Russell Gibson
And then what he ended up doing was holding out and they paid him a lot more money.

27:37.78
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

27:41.23
Russell Gibson
And then once they paid him more, then he went and opened the floodgates and he signed everything.

27:45.69
Adz
and start Yeah.

27:45.69
Russell Gibson
So as far as I'm aware, there's nothing unsigned with the Mello now.

27:46.25
Adz
Yeah.

27:46.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah Yeah, definitely.

27:48.95
Russell Gibson
Yep.

27:49.20
Adz
yeah

27:49.24
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, that that was great. Yeah.

27:50.63
Russell Gibson
Yep.

27:52.42
Adz
positive. Yeah, I don't look, it's it's just, it's not a feel good moment, I guess getting redemptions, especially with the the idea that you might not be able to get it filled.

27:54.60
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

28:04.21
Adz
um

28:04.41
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah

28:05.68
Adz
But yeah, at least with tops coming into the picture, there we're having that 10 year sort of guarantee on those redemptions. Let's hope that's um Yeah, let's hope that changes the the narrative a little bit on the redemption story.

28:21.09
Alvaro O'Hehir
And the speed of the Redemptions too. So we had one our customers pull a LeBron James Finest Gold Auto.

28:23.08
Adz
Yep.

28:29.66
Adz
Nice. Yep.

28:31.69
Alvaro O'Hehir
um He pulled it in the shop actually.

28:35.27
Russell Gibson
yeah right.

28:35.54
Alvaro O'Hehir
And it was just it was great to see.

28:35.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

28:37.68
Alvaro O'Hehir
and And I think within three months he got that card back.

28:40.91
Adz
That's awesome. That's really that's really responsive.

28:42.43
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, that was fantastic.

28:43.85
Adz
Yeah, that's huge.

28:45.51
Alvaro O'Hehir
amazing. twenty three twenty four yeah so it was yeah that was that was amazing So, mate, if they if they're getting them if they're getting those signatures back that quick, that's yeah know that that's that's a fantastic effort.

28:59.05
Russell Gibson
yeah

29:00.33
Alvaro O'Hehir
And hopefully there's not too many ah redemption cards out there.

29:00.56
Adz
but

29:03.87
Alvaro O'Hehir
But the fact that they've got 10 years to redeem it, that's a big win.

29:06.85
Russell Gibson
It takes a lot of pressure off the system, doesn't it? Yeah.

29:08.71
Adz
It really sounds like the the big cards are the ones that that require redemption. We're talking on signatures from LeBron James and such, so like I guess.

29:18.85
Alvaro O'Hehir
Well, LeBron's live in Topps Chrome.

29:21.37
Adz
Yeah.

29:22.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, um and most ah most of, I'm pretty sure most of Wemby was in the product last year.

29:30.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

29:32.43
Alvaro O'Hehir
So, yeah, wla I guess we'll find out sooner rather than

29:34.85
Russell Gibson
I think that is important. It's more aesthetically pleasing to get an autograph instead of redemption out of it. Like that's, yeah.

29:39.99
Adz
Oh, it feels way better to pull a card out of a pack and go, oh my God, here's the actual card.

29:42.10
Alvaro O'Hehir
later. Definitely.

29:43.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

29:45.35
Alvaro O'Hehir
Well, if i if I judge it on, let's say, baseball and soccer, which um which way you know tops is not full range there's not many redemptions you know it's most of them you get out of the boxes so if that correlates to what they're doing with with the basketball i think we're going to have some really happy basketball collectors

29:54.06
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

30:02.39
Adz
Yeah.

30:05.80
Adz
Yeah, I think so.

30:06.13
Russell Gibson
That would definitely make me happier. All right. My final thought on this is that I would love a Canelo Alvarez autograph. Even a Terrence Croft would be fantastic. I'd also like a SpongeBob, maybe a Patrick autograph. That would be fantastic.

30:19.10
Alvaro O'Hehir
Right, just one thing. There's no Canelo and there's no Crawford in the new boxing.

30:26.14
Russell Gibson
Okay.

30:27.83
Adz
All right.

30:27.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
it's believe

30:28.17
Russell Gibson
Slightly disappointed, but that's okay.

30:29.02
Alvaro O'Hehir
Mike Tyson. and yeah

30:30.90
Adz
but

30:31.17
Alvaro O'Hehir
ah checked it i I checked it before, and especially the Terence Crawford because I thought that would have been a good one.

30:31.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

30:36.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

30:36.51
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah

30:37.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

30:37.72
Alvaro O'Hehir
But if they're going to be releasing them in every year, then you know I think there's everyone will be jumping on board.

30:43.12
Russell Gibson
Why aren't they?

30:43.28
Alvaro O'Hehir
So we do have.

30:43.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Tell me why aren't they jumping on board these boxing guys? Like pay them money and they'll sign, right?

30:47.40
Alvaro O'Hehir
i've got no I've got no idea.

30:48.32
Russell Gibson
Surely.

30:48.52
Alvaro O'Hehir
like we

30:48.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

30:49.54
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, well, we didn't – you know, it's one of those products we didn't have the checklist for before before before it came out.

30:55.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

30:56.74
Adz
Yeah.

30:57.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
But you've got Tyson. You've got Mike Tyson.

30:58.70
Russell Gibson
Tyson's always happy to put his name on something, isn't he?

31:00.35
Alvaro O'Hehir
Tyson Fury.

31:01.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

31:01.53
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah, yeah.

31:02.52
Russell Gibson
Tyson Fury. That's pretty good.

31:03.10
Alvaro O'Hehir
You've got – yeah.

31:03.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

31:04.67
Alvaro O'Hehir
And look, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but there's, you know, Jake Paul rookie cards in there. um You know, you've got Floyd Mayweather. um So there's 100% that will, man.

31:12.66
Russell Gibson
Dude, people will froth over Jake Paul. like He's one of those polarizing guys. you know Even if you hate him, you'll probably still get one for your PC.

31:18.47
Alvaro O'Hehir
yeah

31:19.78
Russell Gibson
like

31:20.48
Alvaro O'Hehir
And those the cards that are coming out of those boxes have the RC label. So that's I think that'll make it big for a lot of for a lot of people. um But I'm just excited to see Tyson autos, Tyson Fury autos.

31:32.85
Alvaro O'Hehir
um

31:33.63
Russell Gibson
So what, the Tyson autograph also has got the rookie card logo on it?

31:33.95
Alvaro O'Hehir
Who knows what we're going to get. yeah No, no, just the poor.

31:42.23
Russell Gibson
right. I'll just, I'll let that one for me. I'll just let that go through to the keeper. That makes no sense, but that's okay. Yeah.

31:48.69
Adz
It's the first time it's been released in a long time.

31:49.58
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah,

31:50.33
Adz
Just let it be. All right.

31:51.49
Russell Gibson
That's right. I'm just going to just smile, smile and nod.

31:52.02
Adz
All right.

31:52.80
Alvaro O'Hehir
there we go.

31:54.28
Adz
I'm going to do some re research and I'm going to find some Pokemon to collect.

31:54.53
Russell Gibson
whatever

31:56.68
Adz
That's what I'm going to do.

31:57.66
Russell Gibson
Thank you for coming on, mate.

31:58.48
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah. It's all good.

31:59.18
Russell Gibson
Thank you for all of your support. Thank you for everything you've done for us. And um yeah, this is great.

32:02.71
Alvaro O'Hehir
Not a problem all

32:03.66
Russell Gibson
We'd love to do this again. We've turned 15 minutes into 32. So I think we've done pretty well.

32:08.04
Alvaro O'Hehir
at all.

32:08.17
Adz
In usual, you can't comp this style.

32:08.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

32:09.02
Alvaro O'Hehir
No, it's always a pleasure catching up with you guys.

32:09.68
Russell Gibson
That's it. Yeah.

32:13.00
Alvaro O'Hehir
We'll see you next weekend at the...

32:14.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

32:15.07
Adz
See you at the National.

32:15.22
Alvaro O'Hehir
at the the Oz National. And if it anyone in Melbourne hasn't bought their tickets yet, get your tickets because they I think they they're selling out. i think Saturday sold out.

32:23.22
Adz
They sold out Saturday and they put a special limited release out for Saturday.

32:23.62
Russell Gibson
Saturday's already sold out. Yeah. Yeah.

32:26.06
Alvaro O'Hehir
Yeah.

32:28.16
Adz
But, yeah, you might just be able to get snagged a ticket for Sunday. Nice.

32:32.00
Alvaro O'Hehir
I think they've got half-day tickets as well now.

32:34.61
Adz
Nice.

32:35.52
Russell Gibson
Yep.

32:36.30
Alvaro O'Hehir
So get there because it's fantastic.

32:36.49
Adz
Nice.

32:38.99
Alvaro O'Hehir
Last year was amazing. It was the first year. was a cracking show. ah Amazing venue. And um hopefully some nice cards here.

32:48.08
Adz
Yeah, hopefully a lot of fun. um Good to see a lot of familiar faces. And yeah, we'll definitely catch up next week at the Oz National.

32:55.93
Alvaro O'Hehir
Fantastic. Thanks, guys. i really appreciate your time.

00:01.31
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how did you enjoy having a chat with Mr.

00:06.51
Adz
I thought of but it was awesome.

00:07.46
Russell Gibson
Alvaro?

00:08.83
Adz
It's going to be great to see John and Alvaro next week at the, at the Oz national. It'd be, it'd be good to catch up with everybody actually at that event.

00:16.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:19.02
Russell Gibson
So I think the part that I enjoyed the most talking to Alvaro is like stories from the shop.

00:25.10
Adz
Yeah.

00:25.15
Russell Gibson
And I think we need to, we need to nail him down better about that.

00:29.07
Adz
let's get some Let's get some concrete stories.

00:29.12
Russell Gibson
so um

00:31.65
Adz
This pester.

00:31.71
Russell Gibson
That's our responsibility too, you know, but I think maybe the other thing we could do too is actually put this out to the listeners. Like, you know, what but questions would you like to ask a shop owner?

00:40.83
Adz
o

00:41.41
Russell Gibson
What are some of the things?

00:41.63
Adz
Or they could write and tell us about their experiences in their shop, their local shop.

00:46.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We can do it both ways, can't we?

00:48.61
Adz
That's it.

00:50.65
Russell Gibson
But yeah, no, it was really, it's, look, it's not easy to come onto a podcast, particularly with two other guys.

00:52.05
Adz
That was fun.

00:55.22
Russell Gibson
Alvary, you did well, mate.

00:56.71
Adz
No, we appreciate it. We really do. It's good.

00:58.73
Russell Gibson
For the rest of today's show, we're going to talk about Caitlin Clark just because.

01:03.05
Adz
Because she's injured and we've got nothing else to talk about. No.

01:05.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so last week I did go light on this and there was a couple of reasons I went light. Honestly, um and this is a little bit like kind of funny in some ways.

01:09.94
Adz
Yeah.

01:12.90
Russell Gibson
It's like actually was worried I was going to be centelled.

01:16.54
Adz
Okay.

01:16.71
Russell Gibson
but actually she wasn't injured. Then we do this huge, you know, breakdown about Caitlin Clark and the hobby's dying.

01:20.57
Adz
Oh, no. Yep.

01:22.17
Russell Gibson
And then it turns out, you know, she's actually not injured and la la la. And last week I did say that I'm like, look, I can't find a lot of information about her injury. There is more information out about it, but there's not a lot out there.

01:34.32
Russell Gibson
So I think that also was sort of planting seeds and in my mind that I was being sent out.

01:36.12
Adz
Well, it it was also very um it was also very interesting because i know, obviously, the Fever of got into the playoffs, but I don't think they're in a great position.

01:38.52
Russell Gibson
So

01:52.56
Adz
like So I don i actually ah don't think there's any value in trying to rush her back from injury. So they're probably going to be out pretty quickly.

02:01.45
Russell Gibson
I think when you've got...

02:01.59
Adz
Is it like lebron LeBron when he's carrying a niggle and goes, nah, I'm done this season? And sits back and goes.

02:06.13
Russell Gibson
Oh, 100%. I think I would say that's the same as like Wemby, Tim Duncan, any big dog that's out there that you want to look after the long term, 100%.

02:09.66
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Tight. Yep. Yep.

02:15.71
Russell Gibson
All

02:16.13
Adz
Stick a fork in it. We're done for the season. Let's um move on to next season. I like it.

02:21.22
Russell Gibson
right, so this is my Caitlin Clark take. It's very interesting to me that essentially... The most money that's spent on current NBA players, I think if you had the top three, would be Wemby.

02:37.87
Russell Gibson
Excluding that Jordan-Kobe autograph because they're not current. And I would say LeBron is second. And then I think Caitlin Clark is next. And I think the fact that we're even talking about Caitlin Clark being more expensive than NBA players, like to me, that's just it's backwards.

02:54.27
Russell Gibson
There's heaps of stuff in the hobby that doesn't make sense to me, but let's just add that to the list.

02:58.66
Adz
Interesting.

02:59.04
Russell Gibson
And then we're going to talk. So I thought what we'd do today is talk about 10 Caitlin Clark cards that have sold recently and just sort of get an idea behind it and then sort of say, how badly should these people be panicking?

03:05.54
Adz
Okay.

03:10.96
Russell Gibson
Because case in point, let's talk about Zion Williamson. And this is an this is an easy example to like to get your head around just for the fact that he went up so much and then you know went down so much. Okay.

03:27.81
Russell Gibson
So if we look at his silver PSA 10, just because this is our benchmark that we always just look his all-time growth, he was up to $6,300. He's now currently trading at $233.

03:38.80
Adz
Yeah.

03:40.71
Russell Gibson
So that's all-time. all-time, down 89%. you look at the last two years, he's down 63%. last 12 months, he's down 47%.

03:46.86
Adz
Yeah.

03:47.86
Russell Gibson
if you look at the last two years he's down sixty three percent

03:52.37
Adz
It's pretty scary.

03:53.46
Russell Gibson
the last twelve months he's down forty seven percent

03:56.71
Adz
Yeah.

03:57.07
Russell Gibson
And the last six months, let's look at this, he's down 30%, which is a lot, but also too relatively stable for Zion, which is a crazy thing to say.

04:08.24
Russell Gibson
So I think what I'm trying to say here is like these people who go up to the tippy top, it doesn't mean that you're guaranteed to buy it at the top and then it's going to stay there.

04:14.77
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:18.11
Russell Gibson
It could also very much um go down quite quickly.

04:21.48
Adz
Like it's a bog and ride just like down to the bottom. Yeah.

04:23.91
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. And I think, you know, the thing that's really been in my head this week is like, why aren't other influencers and other people in the hobby talking about this?

04:24.99
Adz
Yeah.

04:31.94
Russell Gibson
Like, I really feel like there's a void in terms of content here because like, for me, this is a massive story and and just no one's sort of picking it up. So i think how I wanted to talk about this is...

04:41.99
Adz
what ifs about Caitlin Clark if she is, if it if it becomes something problematic.

04:47.14
Russell Gibson
Well, actually, i mean, the problematic stuff, I think that's too early to say that, but I'd also probably say too Like, have we actually lost perspective on what's going on with her?

04:58.07
Russell Gibson
So I think what we should do is is talk about 10 cards of hers.

05:01.54
Adz
Sure. Yep.

05:03.48
Russell Gibson
Let's try and get this done in the next 10 minutes. We're already five minutes into this segment. So um' I'm going to start at the top of the link here, Adam.

05:07.24
Adz
Sure.

05:09.87
Russell Gibson
Caitlin Clark, blockchain sale. Now, this just sold in the last couple of days. This sold for $175,000. It's the green kaboom one of one. Now, there were some funny stories out around this. And basically, it was saying like...

05:24.29
Russell Gibson
um this is another way of money laundering, essentially.

05:27.78
Adz
The blockchain stuff.

05:29.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. and You can take this for what you want.

05:30.05
Adz
Yeah.

05:32.37
Russell Gibson
Maybe they're just laundering money into a high-end piece. Look, I've got no comments on that. I just, you know, I was actually saying on last week's show just how much of a spectacular failure blockchain has been.

05:43.89
Russell Gibson
And then this happened, you know, literally two days afterwards. So, you know, I think that's a classic Russellism. But I'd also say, too, I'm not holding my breath on this stuff.

05:53.82
Adz
It's a digital card. I'm just yep.

05:56.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah, at all. All right.

05:56.78
Adz
Yep.

05:57.16
Russell Gibson
So I think let's chalk that up to an L straight away. um This next one is called a Caitlin Clark Gold. So this is her gold rookie card number to 10. Remembering there's two variants. There's the finger up variant and there's the jump shot variant. This is the jump shot variant.

06:10.64
Adz
fifty k Yeah.

06:11.51
Russell Gibson
This sold for $50,000. Look, I'm probably, um of all the cards we're about to talk about today, I'm probably worried about this one the least. We're going to talk about golds later on the show a little bit more, but Golds will often outsell numbered to like fives or numbered to say threes.

06:27.22
Adz
Yeah.

06:27.29
Russell Gibson
You know, the gold is very, very popular. only thing I'm a bit worried about...

06:30.25
Adz
go gold Gold stands for first, right? Like it's it's it's it's ah one of those shiny colors.

06:35.23
Russell Gibson
If you're an Olympic athlete, that is correct. Yeah.

06:37.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

06:38.46
Russell Gibson
um The only thing I'm worried about this though is the PSA 9. Like what happens when the PSA 10 comes up and only sells for say 45 or, you know, $35,000.

06:46.44
Adz
Yep, reasonable.

06:47.79
Russell Gibson
ye The next one is the silver PSA 10. This is the shooting card. I think this is really interesting. And you know we're talking about Jason Tatum as a benchmark at around $700. So let's just keep that in mind.

06:58.87
Russell Gibson
She's trading at currently at $2,000. Now, the last six months, she's down 20%.

07:01.64
Adz
Yep.

07:04.08
Russell Gibson
When I keep saying she, I'm talking about Caitlin Clark.

07:06.19
Adz
Yep.

07:07.00
Russell Gibson
um This was actually up to $5,000 at one point. So this is down like a lot.

07:12.79
Adz
Yeah, okay.

07:13.98
Russell Gibson
It's, you know, if we shorten this down, we'll go to the last three months. It's actually down 40%.

07:19.95
Adz
Yeah.

07:20.80
Russell Gibson
um

07:22.34
Adz
But maybe that's a settling, like the Wemby spike and then Tempest comes in for landing.

07:25.11
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. This is before her injury, but now we're also adding injury into this too.

07:28.15
Adz
Yeah.

07:30.37
Russell Gibson
You know, I really think if this is a thousand dollar card in 12 months, that that's going to be quite an achievement.

07:37.61
Adz
Yeah, fair. 49. Yeah,

07:38.78
Russell Gibson
The only thing that's going to hold this, I think, is it's saving grace is the population cannot the population is at the moment is just 49.

07:44.63
Adz
forty nine yeah true

07:46.71
Russell Gibson
And also, too, she is the you know the bright spark of the WNBA. You would assume face of the league is going to be coming back.

07:51.25
Adz
She's the face of the league. come yeah

07:55.11
Russell Gibson
There's sort of no qualms about that.

07:57.44
Adz
Yeah.

07:57.95
Russell Gibson
um The pointing up, this is a Pulsar number to 499. WNBA is configured differently to NBA, just sort of keeping that in mind.

08:05.57
Adz
Okay.

08:06.45
Russell Gibson
Population, this is 30. um This sold for $1,000. actually really like this as a purchase, even if she's interest.

08:12.82
Adz
Yeah.

08:13.00
Russell Gibson
Cheaper than the silver. Obviously, the population control is going to be much tighter on this long term.

08:17.76
Adz
Yeah.

08:19.82
Russell Gibson
I do think that the Pulsar makes it a bit busier, so it sort of takes away from the aesthetics.

08:19.96
Adz
don't like that.

08:24.06
Russell Gibson
I get all of that, but at the same time, it being numbered gives you some protection there.

08:26.77
Adz
Yep.

08:29.72
Adz
Okay.

08:30.07
Russell Gibson
Now, these next two, I'm going to put these into the catastrophic category. um These are the Bowman University Chrome, and these were selling for absolutely, in my opinion, bananas at one point. So the highest sale on this was $800.

08:45.69
Russell Gibson
sorry, 799. This is the silver university or they call it refractor.

08:50.57
Adz
Refractor.

08:51.46
Russell Gibson
The fancy tops people. That's what they call it. Population. This is 350. So it's not insane, but it's also not low. Um, the last sold on this was 270. So we've already had a very large decline on this already.

09:04.46
Russell Gibson
This is the type of stuff where I could imagine this bottoming out to like less than a hundred bucks.

09:05.74
Adz
that's yeah

09:08.39
Russell Gibson
Um, And even if you sell it for $100, you'll be kind like, oh, geez, i I'm glad I sold that for $100. Like, even though it's Caitlin Clark, you know, the only sort of, you know, flip side on that is there is some Kobe Bryant cards that are out there, like that really lower end.

09:13.52
Adz
hundred yeah yeah

09:24.10
Russell Gibson
It's like that sort of central face shot of Kobe. And that was down to like 20 bucks at one point.

09:27.16
Adz
yeah

09:28.95
Russell Gibson
That shot up to $100 recently. So

09:33.52
Russell Gibson
Look, that might be your play. you know Long-term, if you're looking to hold buy and hold these long-term, if you're picking these up for dirt cheap and putting them away, you know if you're buying them for $20, maybe that's fine.

09:43.66
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, purchasing that for $800, I think that's catastrophic.

09:44.91
Adz
Yeah.

09:48.66
Russell Gibson
The next one I've got on here is the yellow to 75.

09:51.87
Adz
Yep.

09:53.03
Russell Gibson
That is currently trading at $1,280. one thousand two hundred and eighty

09:57.47
Adz
That is tanked.

09:59.25
Russell Gibson
That was at 2,699 at the high point. I would probably just get the number to 499 of the Pulsar in her NBA uniform instead of a university uniform, unless you're a diehard Iowa fan that needs this in your that needs this in your PC.

10:14.57
Adz
Yeah, that's a fair point.

10:17.06
Russell Gibson
like Again, this for me is just like tread carefully.

10:20.76
Adz
it's

10:20.83
Russell Gibson
um

10:21.43
Adz
it's the It's the college thing, right? You know what i mean? Like it's, yeah.

10:24.54
Russell Gibson
yeah So if you go to the last six months on this, this is down 45%. Let's just round it up to 45%.

10:30.71
Adz
Mm-hmm.

10:30.95
Russell Gibson
I think that line keeps going that trajectory. There's nothing in my mind that's going to hold this up.

10:34.75
Adz
Yep.

10:35.95
Russell Gibson
All right. We scooted through that pretty quickly and I did that on purpose because if we go to the next link, add, and everyone at home will be able to do this. Go onto Card Ladder, click on sales, search for Caitlin Clark and organize it by price and you will be presented with

10:50.81
Adz
Yeah.

10:54.30
Adz
A lot of money.

10:54.42
Russell Gibson
Let's just call this outlandish. All right, so number one on this list for $660,000 US dollars, and this sold very recently on July 25th,

11:07.80
Adz
That's the same.

11:08.00
Russell Gibson
The Platinum Caitlin Clark Rookie Logo Woman Autograph 1 of 1.

11:12.20
Adz
Yeah.

11:12.61
Russell Gibson
So, look, obviously, if you're buying one card and you can afford it, this is the card to buy. It's flawless.

11:17.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.

11:18.89
Russell Gibson
on-card autograph. It's the Logo Woman. You know, I've got no problems with that. What do you predict that this card could or will be going down to next?

11:32.04
Adz
that's a tough one isn't it um yeah i think but that's the that's that's got to be the pinnacle of caitlin clark cards um flawless even the one below at the national treasures they're they're both like those one of one crowning pieces being one of ones um

11:44.56
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.

11:56.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

11:59.71
Adz
I think they'll they'll they'll keep their 500K benchmark, which is obviously the the second one. But I think that 500K is a good floor for it.

12:12.48
Russell Gibson
So the Luca Logaman, that fluctuated five hundred k if my memory's right.

12:18.76
Adz
Mm-hmm.

12:18.82
Russell Gibson
That sold for a million, didn't it? Then it sold for 500,000. And then like, why couldn't that go down to 300 or 200 and then maybe come back up again, maybe, you know, stay down low.

12:27.40
Adz
I might... Well, it depends.

12:30.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

12:30.62
Adz
i' like It could go down. If if Caitlin Clark has an injury-riddled next season, man then that card could go down a lot.

12:38.16
Russell Gibson
So what you're saying is it's too soon to panic.

12:40.93
Adz
Yes.

12:41.75
Russell Gibson
Okay.

12:42.82
Adz
So they've stuck a fork in it for the end of this season. If the start of the next WNBA season is there are injury concerns, I think that's when panic buttons will start getting hit.

12:53.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. um So we've talked about the first two. You mentioned the National Treasures. The next one on the list is the Gold Vinyl 1 of 1 PSA 10.

13:01.71
Adz
Mm-hmm.

13:05.59
Russell Gibson
So that's a sticker autograph, unfortunately, because it's a Prism card.

13:09.37
Adz
Yeah.

13:09.46
Russell Gibson
That's sold for $366,000.

13:14.73
Adz
Wow.

13:15.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that that for me is really tough because i think the gold vinyl is fantastic.

13:17.85
Adz
Yeah.

13:19.76
Russell Gibson
I think the card looks beautiful. They've done a fantastic job with the finishing. It being a sticker autograph hurts my head at that price point.

13:28.79
Adz
Mm-hmm.

13:29.45
Russell Gibson
It really does. But at the same time, too, clearly the market dictated you know where that card was going.

13:33.93
Adz
Where it's at, sat yeah.

13:35.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I actually like this list a lot because you can really see like a delineated tiers. This is actually a really good like teaching tool in some ways to say like this product is worth the most.

13:43.65
Adz
To show.

13:44.78
Russell Gibson
This one's worth, you know, the next. So next we've got the the Kaboom. This is in BGS.

13:48.87
Adz
that This is the physical copy of that one of one.

13:51.21
Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah, that's right. So 340K that sold for just comping that to the digital, which sold for 175. So it's almost exactly double, isn't it?

13:59.36
Adz
Yeah.

14:00.09
Russell Gibson
Interesting that went to BGS, though. I suppose that saved the sub a couple of thousand dollars, I suppose, doing that.

14:06.50
Adz
Probably, probably.

14:10.12
Adz
don't know.

14:10.16
Russell Gibson
um Next on the list is iMac. Again, Logo Woman on Card Autograph. This one is inscribed, though, with Rookie of the Year 24. That for $317,000,000. that sold for three hundred and seventeen thousand k

14:22.65
Adz
That's a good, I reckon that's actually, um yeah, that's a good good price point for that one.

14:28.37
Russell Gibson
What do you like better, the Kaboom or the iMac? Because that's a very, very similar price point.

14:35.81
Adz
Ooh. i would I would go the logo.

14:41.42
Adz
Patch auto.

14:41.70
Russell Gibson
ive I really do like the patch autograph part, but I think there is a part of me that also says Kabooms.

14:50.02
Adz
i I would say things going well with Caitlin Clark, not going the other way and the panic buttons don't get hit, that that um that iMac card goes up, not down.

14:50.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

14:57.42
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah Okay. I just wonder at 317,000 K, like, could you have waited a couple of years when everything dipped down and spent that 300,000 on like the and NT or the flawless?

15:11.50
Adz
Maybe. Maybe.

15:16.49
Russell Gibson
Cause that's, I feel like that's really in play now.

15:18.15
Adz
when did When did that so when that sell?

15:19.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

15:20.57
Adz
10th of August. This before the injury.

15:22.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

15:23.60
Adz
someone would be backing buying it now and hoping that she went on a murderous run in the playoffs and the Fever won.

15:30.21
Russell Gibson
100%, yeah.

15:30.89
Adz
Yeah.

15:30.94
Russell Gibson
yeah

15:31.76
Adz
Because that would send the cards skywards.

15:33.92
Russell Gibson
All right, we're up to our 15-minute mark. Let's talk about one more card. I'll let you do the picking, and then we'll go to a break.

15:39.99
Adz
this is ah This is an easy one for me. I'm not going go. um I'm just going to go to the next one down. I like the the black prism. It's a mosaic, isn't it too? Is it?

15:50.30
Adz
No. Black prism, the finite, went for Mm-hmm.

15:57.61
Russell Gibson
Again, PZ9.

16:01.12
Russell Gibson
I suppose, so if the base is going for 275, it kind of makes sense that Autograph would go for 360.

16:09.27
Adz
I like it. It's the it's the finger, isn't it? Pointing up.

16:12.66
Russell Gibson
that's the That's the finger pointing at one there.

16:14.90
Adz
Yep, one of one. like it. Don't know about the price point, but...

16:19.28
Russell Gibson
Anyway, look, people at home, if you do want to have a bit of a browse through this, for me, this is incredibly eye-opening, just like what's happening in this market, in this space.

16:26.22
Adz
Mm, mm. Yep.

16:29.23
Russell Gibson
I think we just keep keeping an eye on this, you know, moving forward. This has to be a work in progress. This is, I don't think this is the final time we're going to be talking about Caitlin Clark.

16:37.79
Adz
Yeah, i't i don't I definitely don't think it's the last time. Yeah, there's lots of cards there.

16:42.31
Russell Gibson
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17:03.10
Russell Gibson
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17:24.21
Russell Gibson
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17:40.68
Russell Gibson
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17:49.12
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy? We're into the final run.

17:51.08
Adz
i I am good. um i'm ready I'm ready to talk some more stuff. Some more stuff. What's left on the sheet?

17:59.20
Russell Gibson
ah hobby makes The hobby makes no sense to me. This is about the third time we've already said this in tonight's podcast. This is from the Market Movers app. The green number to five of a Steph Curry PSA 10 from 2013 Panini Select recently sold for $5,896.

18:18.82
Russell Gibson
The gold number to 10 sold for 15,000, nearly 16,000, 15.9,000.

18:25.96
Adz
Madness.

18:27.00
Russell Gibson
So think the reason why I brought this up is because there are just some things in the hobby that have never made sense. Like for me, the thing that really I struggle with, it's been two massive things for me is select hobby, even though the population count on almost everything in select is lower,

18:41.90
Adz
Hmm.

18:44.74
Russell Gibson
I personally find select generally more aesthetically pleasing than prism. There's some years prisms obviously better than select. I've got no problems with that.

18:52.75
Adz
Yep.

18:53.21
Russell Gibson
Um, but always the prices on select is much lower than what prism is, particularly for silver rookie cards and numbered cards.

19:01.19
Adz
Fair.

19:01.39
Russell Gibson
Um, the other one that I always struggle with too is prism fast break.

19:06.76
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

19:07.52
Russell Gibson
Even the numbered cards on that just sell way, way worse than anything that comes out of prism hobby does.

19:13.03
Adz
I don't understand that.

19:14.66
Russell Gibson
I think it's just the aesthetics of the bubbles basically. I think it's as simple as that. There's nothing else to it. Like the population counts lower, you know, everything. i was always hoping to be honest with you that eventually the fast break market would catch up with the regular market, but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

19:31.14
Russell Gibson
I think this is something else that we can just add to this list of, there are things in the hobby that happen. They don't make sense, but you just have to accept it. And this is literally shining a torch onto an example where a number to 10 will outsell 3X, a card that's much lower population than higher valued card.

19:51.08
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

19:53.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so frankly, I think both of these purchases are fantastic. I personally think the green number to five is a way better buy, just for the fact that it's numbered to five and it's, you know, one third of the price.

20:07.04
Adz
yeah

20:08.39
Russell Gibson
I just wonder moving forward though, with those really iconic cards, probably at the end of the day, the better purchase is going to be the gold to 10 just because of the actual finances of it, if that makes sense.

20:20.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But where are you at with stuff like this?

20:21.16
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

20:24.34
Russell Gibson
Like, have you got a crazy example of your own of things that just don't make sense in the hobby?

20:28.27
Adz
not ah not real not not Not in this sense, but I can see why the gold has more appeal.

20:28.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

20:35.27
Adz
um Obviously, there's the colour match factor.

20:40.72
Adz
um I'm a big fan of the colour match.

20:45.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of yellow in the uniform, but... Okay,

20:48.45
Adz
They are the golden state warriors.

20:51.37
Russell Gibson
that is true. That is true.

20:54.59
Adz
Not the green and the state warriors.

20:56.39
Russell Gibson
That is true.

20:59.00
Adz
But it is like the gold, gold Kobe's for argument's sake. Cause the Lakers are purple and gold. Like

21:06.31
Adz
um i guess a bunch of, actually, no, the green would probably still sell pretty big. Anyhow.

21:13.92
Russell Gibson
Anyway, GameStop, let's talk about that really quickly. i was hoping we'd get more comments on this, but we literally have got two comments in all of the in the posts that I put up.

21:25.51
Adz
Maybe there's just a lack of interest.

21:29.08
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm not sure. it It might be one of those things of like, this is too early.

21:34.19
Adz
Yeah.

21:34.28
Russell Gibson
But as much as Caitlin Clark has been on my mind this week, I would also say these power packs have been on my mind too. So I think if you didn't listen, what's that?

21:43.81
Adz
Did you hear the rumor? I don't know it was a rumor or it was any, that GameStop were gonna try and buy PSA.

21:52.47
Russell Gibson
I haven't mentioned that because

21:55.21
Adz
it was ah It's unsubstantiated, but...

21:58.47
Russell Gibson
like that, that to me is more like a conspiracy theory than news I mean, now you've brought it up, like I'm happy to talk about it.

22:03.64
Adz
Yeah, that...

22:06.98
Russell Gibson
so ah So the context of this is that remembering what happened with GameStop, how essentially their own fans, um they did the Reddit post and then people saved GameStop from collapse.

22:14.78
Adz
Yeah, like there was a the... It's like the buyout.

22:19.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:20.33
Russell Gibson
So that was the first thing that happened.

22:20.71
Adz
Yep.

22:22.58
Russell Gibson
that also brought in a lot of money into GameStop. So then they've taken that money and and made some investments into things.

22:25.82
Adz
And I have.

22:30.24
Russell Gibson
And then since that time, now they've floated essentially where, and and look, and companies will do this from time to time. They'll go to their shareholders and say, would you like to buy these shares at this particular price?

22:42.30
Russell Gibson
And then more money is put into the company and then they can take that money and you know and reinvest into the next thing. So they've just raised another billion dollars in cash.

22:50.52
Adz
yeah

22:52.17
Russell Gibson
can you buy a PSA for a billion dollars? I actually don't think PSA would sell them for a billion.

23:00.37
Adz
Yeah, I actually, I tend to agree. I tend to agree.

23:04.23
Russell Gibson
Maybe they'll get 40% stake or maybe they'll get a 50% stake, but I couldn't imagine that they will sell out because also why would you sell PSA?

23:13.89
Adz
Yeah, that's true. Why would why would you?

23:17.87
Russell Gibson
And if GameStop and PSA have already got this huge collaboration, which seems to be working well, like, i mean, suppose if you're GameStop, it makes you a ah better company. So that will be why you would try and buy it. But I just don't understand it from PSA's perspective.

23:32.63
Adz
That's fair.

23:33.36
Russell Gibson
I think where I'm trying to go with this is i don't believe this until I hear it from that Nat Turner or i hear it from Ken Golden or I hear it from someone like Old Mate, which I don't want to say his name.

23:40.06
Adz
Oh, look, I datet don't, don't, don't, yeah, for sure.

23:47.50
Adz
Yep, know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what mean.

23:47.61
Russell Gibson
You know what mean? Like, yeah.

23:49.61
Adz
That's, that's fair.

23:49.66
Russell Gibson
Old fucking Jeff Wilson. Yeah.

23:52.00
Adz
Jeffy boy.

23:54.23
Russell Gibson
All right. So just to refresh, if you didn't hear what we're talking about last week with the GameStop power packs, essentially you go online, you purchase a power pack. It's a digital redemption of a physical card.

24:06.65
Adz
Yep.

24:07.21
Russell Gibson
The card is physically in the PSA vault. So then you can have it shipped out to you. You can have instant buyback or you can hold it in the vault.

24:19.99
Adz
and Keep re-rolling until you get the card you want, you mean.

24:22.76
Russell Gibson
Correct. They say at the moment they anticipate the average buyer will be three times because people will accept buyback, purchase again, accept buyback, purchase again, and then tap out. That's what they're anticipating will happen.

24:36.69
Russell Gibson
um

24:37.05
Adz
Yeah. Yeah,

24:38.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I personally think there's a lot of legs in this. It's currently still in beta phasing. think they're doing Pokemon and and NFL at the moment. They're not actually technically up to NBA yet, even though they've said they will release one.

24:52.82
Russell Gibson
They're definitely going to do NBA. Like that's, it's not even a conversation if or when.

24:55.58
Adz
yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure.

24:57.76
Russell Gibson
um so look,

25:02.65
Russell Gibson
Travis Parker, I heard you guys talking about these on the recent Timeless Moments episode. They sound pretty cool to me. Definitely give them a go. Corey Gilbert, from what I heard you say about them, sound very similar to Arena Club's repacks. If so, I'm willing to give it a try.

25:15.02
Russell Gibson
i Look, stupidly small sample size, and even if I get your opinion, that takes it to three or four. But at the same time, I kind of get the feeling these are going to be very well received.

25:26.95
Adz
Yeah, I think they'll be fine.

25:27.03
Russell Gibson
where you Where are you at with these?

25:27.95
Adz
like i

25:29.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

25:29.36
Adz
I think i think we've got people have got an appetite for risk in the hobby, so I don't see it being this any different, if that makes sense.

25:38.22
Russell Gibson
yeah

25:38.79
Adz
did Do you know what i mean? like I think people will have a punt on packs like this. It's as simple as that.

25:50.83
Russell Gibson
Would you have a crack?

25:53.48
Adz
How much are they?

25:55.13
Russell Gibson
There's a price range. there's like There's like 25, 50, a hundred, think 150. I think there's a thousand dollar one too.

25:59.67
Adz
Okay.

26:01.29
Russell Gibson
So yeah.

26:02.16
Adz
and Okay. um or I might have a flutter for $100 one maybe or something.

26:06.03
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

26:06.32
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd give it a crack. I know if I'd re-roll and re-roll and re-roll.

26:11.46
Russell Gibson
yeah

26:13.32
Adz
I'd just buy one and see what happened.

26:16.01
Russell Gibson
I think particularly if I hit on the first one, I would definitely keep real re-rolling.

26:21.49
Adz
Okay.

26:22.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

26:24.66
Adz
and But that's where the temptation is, right?

26:24.66
Russell Gibson
There's no...

26:30.46
Russell Gibson
Also that it's instant.

26:30.50
Adz
to to to Yeah.

26:34.17
Adz
Yeah, true.

26:34.47
Russell Gibson
I think that's the that that to me is you know the differentiating part for sure.

26:38.53
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

26:39.71
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Brogdon to the Knicks. This is interesting for a couple of reasons because he had been... unofficially said to have signed with the Golden State Warriors. Now, the reason he didn't sign on paper there is because of the Jonathan Kuminga contract hasn't been resolved.

26:54.88
Adz
yeah

26:55.01
Russell Gibson
So until that happened, there was all these other basically moving parts that hadn't been resolved. Obviously, Brogdon couldn't wait much longer. He then went and signed with the Knicks. So if you look at the Knicks roster now, they are literally 12 deep.

27:08.30
Adz
Okay.

27:08.47
Russell Gibson
And as much as I like Deuce McBride, I'm kind of like, I think Brogdon should play ah ahead of Deuce. I think Brogdon is one of those players that if you were measuring IQ on the court, he would be in the top five in the whole league.

27:22.14
Russell Gibson
Like Jokic, LeBron,

27:22.32
Adz
he's He's, yeah. he Wow, Brogdon up there.

27:30.35
Russell Gibson
Halliburton,

27:33.19
Russell Gibson
ah Yeah.

27:34.09
Adz
are

27:34.45
Russell Gibson
Athletically, he's not fantastic. And I think he makes up for that complete lack of athleticism with his nous.

27:44.71
Russell Gibson
I think that's the best way to say it. um Look, I don't think we even need to talk about Malcolm Brogdon cards. He doesn't comp very high, so we can probably leave it at that and just move on to the next thing.

27:52.16
Adz
No, it doesn't.

27:57.17
Adz
Cool.

27:58.41
Russell Gibson
Ben Simmons. Simmons.

27:59.67
Adz
It doesn't comp very well either.

28:02.88
Russell Gibson
allegedly was offered one contract this season offseason. It was from the New York Knicks. I'm going to say that that offer, now that Brogdon has gone there, is no longer available.

28:13.75
Russell Gibson
His agent has also dropped him, which is an interesting one.

28:13.79
Adz
Agreed.

28:19.36
Russell Gibson
I don't really recall the last time an agent dropped an NBA player.

28:25.07
Adz
Can you call him an NBA player?

28:29.22
Russell Gibson
He's more of an NBA player than I'll ever be, so I'll say yes.

28:32.56
Adz
say he's a former NBA player with back issues. Anyway, yep.

28:36.00
Russell Gibson
I think at this point in time, you can almost chalk that up to be like Ben Simmons you know might not be coming back to league, which is a crazy thing. you know

28:43.84
Adz
Didn't even make it, yeah.

28:46.55
Russell Gibson
Technically, didn't make it to 10 years.

28:46.72
Adz
That's, yeah, that's pretty, pretty, that's, yeah, it's crazy.

28:48.07
Russell Gibson
2016 rookie card, PSA 10 silver, last sold for $33.

28:59.88
Adz
Wow.

29:00.62
Russell Gibson
It's a sad, sad decline for this young man.

29:04.19
Adz
You couldn't get this card for less than 300 400 bucks when he,

29:04.23
Russell Gibson
and I think...

29:08.61
Adz
back when he when

29:09.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So his highest sold price was $3,048, mate. It's literally gone down $3,000.

29:17.13
Russell Gibson
That's a shocker.

29:17.22
Adz
you scary

29:18.39
Russell Gibson
I'm actually shocked it went, like, if that was, say, if the floor on that was $100, I'd be like, that's totally fine. I get that.

29:23.86
Adz
bit right?

29:23.95
Russell Gibson
There's enough.

29:24.75
Adz
do not the scary bit is right That sale, right three thousand and forty eight that's during the crazy period you're in covid

29:33.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:35.10
Adz
the two thousand two hundred and seventy five dollars sale was in twenty seventeen

29:41.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

29:43.33
Adz
people were paying for this guy

29:50.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So there was a bit going on around Ben Simmons and I actually can't remember all this like word.

29:55.05
Adz
Remember the process with Embiid and... yeah Anyway.

29:57.54
Russell Gibson
No, but he also refused to sign. So what it did was then people,

30:00.96
Adz
Oh, he was with Leaf and yeah, yeah.

30:04.17
Russell Gibson
so then he, people chased alternative rookie investments for, you know, the number one overall pick.

30:10.82
Adz
Yeah, yeah, fair, fair.

30:11.56
Russell Gibson
and that And actually, the market at the time, silvers weren't that popular. And so he actually, you can kind of blame so Ben Simmons a little bit for this, is that he made silver rookies more popular.

30:20.58
Adz
Oh, Chris. ah I just, yeah.

30:23.97
Russell Gibson
you You need a coffee, mate, even though it's a past night.

30:26.61
Adz
I know, look, it sea but it's it's almost the end. It's almost the end of the show.

30:30.13
Russell Gibson
We're nearly there.

30:31.06
Adz
Ben Simmons, I'm like, oh, scraping the bottom of the barrel if we're talking about him anymore.

30:36.07
Russell Gibson
All right. This is from at RTNBA. Who is the better player? Dennis Rodman, two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA, eight-time All-Defensive Player, two-time Defensive Player of the Year, five-time champ, seven-time rebound champion.

30:48.46
Russell Gibson
Draymond Green, four-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA, nine-time All-Defensive Player, one-time Defensive Player of the Year, four-time NBA champion, one-time Steel champion.

31:01.11
Russell Gibson
Who have you got?

31:05.18
Adz
I'm Rodman.

31:12.48
Adz
I'm on Rodman.

31:16.35
Russell Gibson
I

31:17.17
Adz
Yeah, I'm on Rodman.

31:21.22
Adz
Because he was so – you think about like – I

31:26.97
Adz
ah feel like Draymond's been more consistent for longer, but I think Rodman was more impactful in waves.

31:37.31
Russell Gibson
i think for me, young Dennis Rodman in Detroit was in terms of like just a lockdown defender, like that for me was... that's In my mind, that's the gold standard of how someone one can defend.

31:51.52
Russell Gibson
like Some of the footage of him defending for me just like blows my mind.

31:51.59
Adz
Yeah. yeah

31:54.46
Russell Gibson
So I'll say that first. The second thing I'll say is, I think he was a fantastic player and again, like very high basketball IQ.

32:02.24
Adz
Yeah.

32:02.47
Russell Gibson
But I actually wondered today...

32:06.05
Russell Gibson
if he would struggle to translate across because of his complete lack of offensive game and what now and NBA defenses can do to, you know, zeros on the, on the court when it comes to that.

32:16.94
Russell Gibson
So like the classic example, or actually, and using the Draymond Green reference is how that you can put Draymond Green onto the worst offensive player and let him roam around because he literally just doesn't have to defend somebody.

32:21.20
Adz
Mmm.

32:29.27
Adz
That's fair.

32:30.08
Russell Gibson
And that's like a you know, a very typical golden state strategy.

32:30.21
Adz
Yeah.

32:33.05
Adz
Yeah.

32:33.56
Russell Gibson
Um,

32:35.94
Russell Gibson
I think his rebounding, though, really does set him apart between him and Draymond.

32:41.77
Adz
Yeah.

32:42.03
Russell Gibson
And I think that Rodman is a much, much better athlete than what Draymond is. And I think in some ways, and that's even though you could say, oh, that's like criticizing Draymond, but actually Draymond to get that far being that and being the lack of athlete and being undersized, but that's actually a huge compliment to him, just ah maximizing getting everything out of his body you know that he has done.

33:04.68
Adz
Yeah,

33:05.26
Russell Gibson
I just think, and I think for me, I'm going with Rodman. And I'd also say, considering we're an NBA hobby show, we have to then also talk about the cards. And it's so clearly in favor of Rodman.

33:17.70
Russell Gibson
It's just not funny. Like there's a whole heap of Rodman stuff that goes for way higher than personally think.

33:19.05
Adz
yeah okay.

33:23.09
Adz
But I feel like there are Rodman collectors out there.

33:25.68
Russell Gibson
There are just Rodman collectors out there, but also I find all of his stuff just goes for me just like way too high. And I don't understand why it goes for so high. But again, putting that down to, you know, things that doesn't make sense in the hobby, people love Rodman and they'll pay those prices for the sneaker spotlights and the on-card autographs and all that type of stuff.

33:42.10
Adz
Yeah.

33:42.97
Russell Gibson
So whereas Draymond, no one cares.

33:43.71
Adz
It's interesting. He was the third it was the third one. It was the Splash Brothers and Draymond. Do you know what I mean? like it's He was number three in the big three.

33:55.18
Adz
In that big three.

33:55.34
Russell Gibson
Or four.

33:56.40
Adz
Or four.

33:57.65
Russell Gibson
I mean, Iguodala got finals MVP, right?

34:00.25
Adz
This is true. He was never the guy.

34:02.81
Russell Gibson
No, definitely. No, no. And he was never was. That was his whole thing. was He was just like a nuts and bolts guy.

34:05.89
Adz
Yeah.

34:08.72
Adz
Yeah.

34:08.71
Russell Gibson
Jordan DeClos from our friends at Card Ladder, the 1998 Skybox Premium Intimidation Nation. I actually don't mind the artwork on this. I don't like the title of the card, but that's totally fine.

34:21.83
Russell Gibson
It's a Court Kings-esque illustration going on here. This sold for $88,000. Population 10, the pop, sorry, PSA 10 population on this is just 11.

34:37.05
Russell Gibson
I don't have a problem with this pricing. I just would rather have paid

34:42.55
Adz
Less.

34:44.63
Russell Gibson
10K for it, like what it did in 2018, you know?

34:45.97
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

34:49.08
Russell Gibson
So,

34:49.16
Adz
yeah What goes back? It's another one of those things. We we spoke about it earlier this in the episode with Alvaro. Pop count.

34:57.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

34:58.24
Adz
And those, especially those Jordans, those low pop Jordans and, and Kobe's and such. It's where it is.

35:04.30
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts, Ad?

35:06.29
Adz
The hobby's gone completely mad, but it is very healthy. No, we haven't gone completely mad. It's some things don't make sense, but yeah, we're, we're, we're healthier than ever. There are shops that are, that you can go in and and hang out at. There are trade shows everywhere.

35:23.63
Adz
um It's times are good. Times are good. it's a fun It's a fun time to be involved in the hobby. that's That's my final thought for this week.

35:33.61
Russell Gibson
ye Thanks, Ad. Thanks, Central Coast Radio listeners. Thank you to all our podcast listeners and supporters. We appreciate you. And, of course, thanks to Alvaro again for coming on and giving us his time. We appreciate it a lot.

35:46.76
Adz
We do. we'll see you We'll see you online next week, but we'll also, we might see you at the AusNational next weekend.

35:54.49
Russell Gibson
Cheers, guys. Bye-bye.