Episode 241: Wondershine Strikes Again, Holiday Stories & Topps Debut Patches

In Episode 241 of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adam are back from holiday and hitting the ground running — covering a wild week across the hobby.

They unpack the latest Wondershine Index drama, including the $4.7M Luka Doncic sale and renewed questions around transparency in the market. From there, it’s onto the Topps debut patch announcement, why it could rival Logomen in collector appeal, and the growing excitement for official game-used NBA memorabilia.

The lads also chat Kabooms as the modern-day PMGs, Steph Curry’s “night-night” card sales, WNBA champions like A’ja Wilson, and rising prospects Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey. Plus, Russell shares stories from courtside in the US — including a few surreal moments from behind the bench!

🎧 Listen now: https://open.spotify.com/show/70w10XxmGviovd5T0LUFFc

Transcript

00:00:01.38
Adz
That's helpful. And it's 241 is it?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, the number's right.

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Adz
Excellent.

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Russell Gibson
I'm not even going to check it.

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Adz
Okay.

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Russell Gibson
I'm just going to like be confident in the work that I've done.

00:00:10.35
Adz
Cool. I'm sure.

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Russell Gibson
Don't try and sow dissent, Adam. Yeah.

00:00:13.34
Adz
i was just questioning i'm just curious. Yeah, yeah.

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Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 241 the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

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Adz
You're back in your office, Russell.

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Russell Gibson
I'm back. I'm very sad to be back. I'm not going to lie to you.

00:00:48.87
Adz
Nice trip abroad.

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Russell Gibson
People have been saying to me like, welcome back when I've been seeing people. I'm like, I'm not really happy to be home.

00:00:55.98
Adz
You're welcome, though.

00:00:59.93
Russell Gibson
I had such a, ah, not happy to be home I had such a good time.

00:01:00.24
Adz
Welcome back. Welcome back.

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Russell Gibson
I love America.

00:01:05.90
Adz
It was, um, I don't know. I watched a couple of those games you're at and yeah, there's some, some fun stuff happening.

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Russell Gibson
Did you see me on TV?

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Adz
No.

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Russell Gibson
I need to go back because a couple of the games, I reckon, ah like I'm certain to be on telly.

00:01:17.64
Adz
wait which, which game I've got league pass. I'll, um,

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Russell Gibson
So the Memphis-Utah game, i was behind the bench and the San Antonio, um who did the Spurs play?

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Russell Gibson
God, my memory is terrible.

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Adz
but the Utah was Memphis Boston.

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Russell Gibson
Maybe it was, sorry, maybe my memory is foggy. It was San Antonio-Utah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And then i sat behind the bench for Memphis and...

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Adz
It was Boston. I'm pretty sure it was Boston.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, there was also the Detroit game, though. I reckon it was the Boston game. I had the better seats, though.

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Adz
They're really good seats.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
It looked like you were behind like you were right where the players were.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it was...

00:02:01.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:01.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Actually, i might start with that story now. i know I've got that later into the show, but then we can keep it a bit slicker.

00:02:07.49
Adz
yeah

00:02:08.24
Russell Gibson
So this is a little bit of a personal story. I bought seats... tickets from SeatGeek. This is my strategy. So like this is my strategy that I've worked on for a little while now.

00:02:16.25
Adz
Nice. Yep.

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Russell Gibson
If the the game is a popular game, you buy them outside of the game as far as you can.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
If people aren't buying the tickets, you wait until as close to tip off as you can to buy the tickets, even buying them like as the game is tipping off.

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Adz
Okay.

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Russell Gibson
And And I learned that in Chicago. That's the best way to do it. um Also too, like if you get to a point like, you know, one or two hours before, because people start to dump off the tickets. Like once it gets, you know, closer to the game, people actually actively reduce the price down.

00:02:45.17
Adz
Ha

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Russell Gibson
So until you you just buy something to you happy. So I bought a ticket in row which was like, great row C. When I got down to my seat, the usher was like, oh, you know that you don't need to use the bathroom up the top. You can go out the back.

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Russell Gibson
I was like, out the back. I've never been out there. So just, I was like, great. going walk down the back. Also, there's your own bar out the back.

00:03:12.60
Adz
ha ha ha!

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Russell Gibson
There's the V there's the VIP area, which I tried to get into, but my ticket wouldn't let me get into that. So I was like, okay, that's cool. But I got to stand at the tunnel. So if you saw some of the pictures on Instagram of where was like underneath, like that's what that ticket was there.

00:03:22.80
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So,

00:03:26.43
Adz
That is so cool.

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Russell Gibson
um And look, I'm going to, you know, sort of confess my feelings, you know, to the world. I felt a little bit choked up at the time because i was like, part of it was I didn't know i was buying that when I bought it.

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Russell Gibson
So the surprise of it was one thing.

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Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And then i also, I would love to have that experience, but i i never thought I would have that experience because typically, you know, you would sort of associate with something, being you know big price tag, you know, la, la, la.

00:03:48.43
Adz
Big price tag. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
But actually Memphis is, it's very cheap. It's like, reckon only half of the stadium was sold out to be honest with you. the The feeling, the vibe I get in Memphis is it's a bit like the Pelicans vibe where it's not a basketball town.

00:04:05.05
Russell Gibson
I think they're football towns and they're college football. tip You know what i mean?

00:04:09.03
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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Russell Gibson
Like it's, they're an NBA town, but that's not the primary ticket, you know, in town. So

00:04:14.34
Adz
It's not the big sport in town.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, and it also could be too that it was the preseason and Jar wasn't playing and all that type of stuff.

00:04:16.52
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
But i I just kind of get the vibe there that it's, yeah, it's not super popular. Anyway, thanks for listening.

00:04:25.55
Adz
Nice.

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Russell Gibson
I definitely was having a moment when I was under there. I'm not going to lie to you though. It was pretty sweet.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
That's cool.

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Russell Gibson
ah This week's show, we're going to about the Wondershine. We're going to talk about the Topps debut patches. We've got some amazing Warriors ah championship cards with Klay Thompson and Steph Curry.

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Russell Gibson
We're going to announce the winner of our giveaway. We've got um a Wemby recap. We've got an ad from Neon Trading Cards. We're going to talk WNBA, which we should have done last week, but we just run out of time.

00:04:57.80
Russell Gibson
Kevin Durant, Topps Retro, Topps Downtown cards. I've called them that. It's just a rip off of that.

00:05:02.24
Adz
I know. I've seen that. I actually like the look of those cards anyway.

00:05:05.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's okay. I still think it's a rip-off. Anyway, there's a bit more stuff to go through, but we'll see if we get to it. I won't do what we did last week in outs at all and not talk about it. so

00:05:14.55
Adz
Fair, fair, fair. All right.

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Russell Gibson
All right, we're going to start off with Jared Begg's message that he sent to us. Hey, mate, just listening listening to episode 238, card or cards for the Wondershine Index. There is a set of PSA Fleer MJ rookies that is personally signed and left a little note on each card.

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Russell Gibson
I think it's a set of 10 different autos or something similar to that, and Golden had them for auction, I'm pretty sure. I think that is a fantastic suggestion for the Wondershine sheet.

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Russell Gibson
And I don't think he's bought and purchased them because my recollection of those sales, it was much earlier than when he you know publicly declared himself creating this Wondershine index.

00:05:52.83
Adz
Mmm.

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Russell Gibson
However, I think we should put it onto the sheet. We're building a spreadsheet at the moment of speculative and confirmed Wondershine cards. At the moment, we've only got three cards confirmed on it, but I'm going to keep building that up and we'll share that publicly at some point.

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Russell Gibson
um Let's get onto...

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Russell Gibson
a speculative card to the Wondershine index. It is a Steph Curry National Treasures Horizontal RPA.

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Adz
Is this, is hang on, is this going to be one of those things where every time a card sells for like half a million dollars or more, we're going to speculate that it's Wondershine?

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Russell Gibson
It's number...

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Russell Gibson
So... So my analogy on this is like, I don't know how you're feeling. it So we both live in Melbourne. And if you guys are following the news in Melbourne, it's not great when it comes to crime reporting and also home invasions.

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Russell Gibson
Every time I hear like little feet or people walking around my house at night, 50% I'm like, is this a home invasion or is this my kid wet the bed again? Do you know what i mean? Like, so every big card that I'm currently seeing at the moment, I'm like, it's 50-50 chance it's a Wondershine card, right?

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Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
It's Wondershine. That's it.

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Adz
It's gotta be a Wondershine, right?

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Russell Gibson
At 675K, you would make the argument this is not high enough end or it's not low numbered enough to be Wondershine.

00:07:01.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:07:09.57
Russell Gibson
However, I actually think this is a really good buy at this particular price.

00:07:15.13
Adz
Number 299 though. Like it's not a, it's not like a number to 10.

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Russell Gibson
So do you think it's overpriced in that case then for 675?

00:07:23.04
Adz
Maybe. Well, maybe maybe it's correctly priced, but I just think as far as a a Wondershine investment, I think a number to 10 or lower would be one of those.

00:07:26.74
Russell Gibson
yeah

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Russell Gibson
Okay. Look, I actually thought that...

00:07:37.10
Adz
But it might be it might be. It might be the Wondershine version of pocket change.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:42.57
Adz
That's insane.

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Adz
that's insane

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Russell Gibson
I just thought that it was like a really good value card in that...

00:07:48.39
Adz
Do you reckon it's the curry? It'll be one of the curries? Because I think curry's got to go in there some at some point.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, maybe you're right. Maybe this is not a Wondershine card. It's just a really good pickup at the price point.

00:07:58.38
Adz
Mm, mm. But private sale does give you the Wondershine.

00:08:02.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. the And the wire transfer. Yeah. ah The next one that broke last week, and this is confirmed that he's a Wondershine card.

00:08:07.58
Adz
mm.

00:08:11.80
Russell Gibson
This just broke after we did the podcast.

00:08:13.79
Adz
That's right, because we recorded in the ah the Sunday morning when when you and I spoke.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:18.53
Adz
And then I think, yeah, we were talking about it and i'm like, what, another one?

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Russell Gibson
I think this broke literally just after the podcast. Yeah. 2018-19 flawless Luka Doncic Logerman autograph one of one sold for $4.7 million. dollars verified by the buyer with a screenshot of the invoice and the wire transfer.

00:08:37.94
Russell Gibson
So again, that's you know very similar to the the purchase details of the previous one.

00:08:41.97
Adz
Mm-hmm.

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Russell Gibson
And so let's just hold that for a second before we start celebrating too much because Darren Rovell commented on a post that was put up by the Collectibles Guru saying,

00:08:55.83
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:56.27
Russell Gibson
basically just saying exactly what we just said then. and I'm going to read word for word what Ravel said. is So question. So I believe the last known owner of this card was Shine, who was one of the three principles of Secure or or the Wondershine Index team, right?

00:09:11.27
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:09:11.98
Russell Gibson
Yep. Did Secure sell it to themselves for $4 million dollars plus? The last known offer on this card was in the $2 million dollars range. Can we get some attempt at transparency, Team Secure? I'm here to chat.

00:09:25.67
Russell Gibson
There's no reply from Team Secure on this.

00:09:28.06
Adz
Of course not.

00:09:30.25
Russell Gibson
what

00:09:30.36
Adz
Does that mean we if this is true, are we calling them Wondershield?

00:09:34.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. So what's what's your take on this? Your take is it's like a shill purchase essentially.

00:09:38.07
Adz
Well, ah but all right. So i think there's two sides to it. I do believe that it makes sense if I own a card. So say, don't know, one of the friends of the show, say Joe, you and myself start the Oz version of Wondershine and we're going to start buying cards up, right?

00:09:57.52
Russell Gibson
What would our buy-in to this syndicate be?

00:10:02.13
Adz
$100, we're not going to be big spenders. We're going to go and have dinner, break a couple of boxes of cards and, yeah, invest minor amounts of money.

00:10:07.34
Russell Gibson
yeah oh

00:10:10.20
Adz
um but But it is, like, say, exactly exactly right.

00:10:11.97
Russell Gibson
Exclusively though, it's a very exclusive club. Yeah.

00:10:14.49
Adz
well then We'll make four because Al comes along as well and we'll break cards and more we'll all put equal amounts in.

00:10:14.69
Russell Gibson
yeah okay

00:10:21.90
Adz
Now, in this imaginary little conglotation,

00:10:24.73
Russell Gibson
Less exclusive club. Yeah.

00:10:26.52
Adz
somewhat less exclusive than Wondershine Club that we're starting, right?

00:10:31.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:31.65
Adz
If if I want to contribute a card to the pool, how do i how do i how does that get recorded as far as if we've got equal share? If we're all contributing fiscally, 25% each, there are four of us, and I have a card that's worth $1,000, what happens?

00:10:46.36
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:10:53.43
Adz
Does the group buy it off me for $1,000?

00:10:56.82
Adz
And then it becomes the group's card.

00:10:56.82
Russell Gibson
I think that's, I think that is what's happened in this particular scenario if you're recreating it.

00:11:03.25
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:03.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:03.51
Adz
And that's, that that's the hypothetical, right?

00:11:04.43
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:11:05.29
Adz
Or is shine gone?

00:11:05.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:06.89
Adz
Oh, well, this is, this is the price I want for it. Is the group happy to pay for it? 25% of the vote says yes.

00:11:12.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:13.67
Adz
Like, and then they'll say, yeah, cool, cool.

00:11:13.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:11:15.27
Adz
So then they pay from, from the joined, the the joint funds, they pay out. So then it's a co-owned card.

00:11:24.69
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. Yeah.

00:11:25.59
Adz
So, I think that little little bit of transparency is is completely reasonable and rational. However, the price and the previous price are something that I think does warrant that bit of regulation because that could be perceived as shilling.

00:11:46.92
Adz
It's setting a new price for the card.

00:11:47.01
Russell Gibson
Yes. ah So my take on this is that if you're going to be spending this amount of money, you need somebody consulting for you that's going to give you good advice.

00:11:57.85
Adz
Spot on.

00:11:58.04
Russell Gibson
And so that that is worth something, right? So I'm just making, this is completely hypothetical and i' this is all speculative here, but I think if you would then try and repay somebody for that,

00:12:01.06
Adz
Sure.

00:12:05.30
Adz
Of course.

00:12:10.59
Russell Gibson
one of the ways you might pay him for his services is to overpay for a particular card that he owns that's going to the index.

00:12:15.18
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:12:16.57
Russell Gibson
So that's one way. the other benefit that doing that for them too, is that might also increase other Luka Doncic's out there in the community at the moment. So I'm putting a very positive spin on that on a negative way.

00:12:26.60
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:12:28.10
Russell Gibson
Then you can also say then that it false inflates the value of other Luka Doncic cards currently out there in the market. So, you know, I don't think it's a great thing, and I agree with you. I think there should be some transparency on there. But I would also say, too, like Shine has to be getting paid somewhere along the line here, and if this is how they're doing it, it kind of makes sense in a weird sort of way.

00:12:50.49
Russell Gibson
This next part, I think we should probably also add into it, too. And I'm going to read from, well, two sources on this. I have the screenshot of him after he was incarcerated from his prison stay.

00:13:05.89
Russell Gibson
So there there is that to add on to it too. And then I'm going to say allegedly here at MWJ5596, known config shine laundering money, selling cards to himself at 2X value.

00:13:18.59
Russell Gibson
There is a story here, but it's got nothing to do the sports cards. So I think it's not outside of the realms of what this you know a man is known for it too. So this is not exactly you know outrageous in any sort of stretch of the thing.

00:13:32.10
Russell Gibson
i would hope that Mr. Wonderful knows what he's getting himself into here while he's doing business with this gentleman.

00:13:39.54
Adz
There'd have to be a level of of due diligence done, knowing, knowing, surely, surely.

00:13:44.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:13:47.60
Russell Gibson
All right. I think we've said everything we need to say here and we without flogging a dead horse. Yeah. Final thoughts on this

00:13:52.38
Adz
but I'm sure every every time a card that goes for more than a million dollars pops up, we are we it says private sale.

00:13:59.51
Russell Gibson
this. 50% of us is like, yes, this is the one shine.

00:14:00.99
Adz
Wondershine.

00:14:01.99
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:14:02.12
Adz
one Another Wondershine, a potential Wondershine sale will be the new the new tagline for um all all million dollar sales.

00:14:05.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:10.32
Russell Gibson
This is from at tops breaking this season. All NBA rookies will wear a debut patch on their Jersey after player makes their on court debut. The patch will removed from the Jersey and placed into a one of one autographed trading card.

00:14:23.51
Adz
Nice!

00:14:24.56
Russell Gibson
These cards will be randomly inserted into sealed packs releasing in 2026. All right. So i am going to roast tops as hard as I can, whenever I can, I'm also going to compliment tops when they do something good.

00:14:37.46
Adz
Yeah, it's pretty good.

00:14:38.58
Russell Gibson
This is effing amazing. I don't know a lot about this other than I know they currently do it in baseball already and it's very well received. They're very collectible cards.

00:14:49.60
Russell Gibson
I think this is going to go down in a very meaningful way in the NBA space. I think people are going to want these. They're going to chase them. I think that in the context of let's go back to the Wondershine,

00:15:01.36
Russell Gibson
where they're buying Logoman patches and they're rating these cards, you know, as a very collectible commodity. i think these debut patches will be considered not as meaningful as a Logoman, but I think um very close to it.

00:15:17.52
Russell Gibson
Does that make sense?

00:15:18.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:19.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So this is my interpretation of how they'll be ah received. i think it's fantastic. Where are you at with these, Ed?

00:15:28.33
Adz
um I like it. I like the idea of the the debut patch. it gives it It actually is a tangible,

00:15:39.49
Adz
functional, addition to the to the to the collecting roster.

00:15:44.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:44.98
Adz
um We talk about, we've we've talked about Game Warn and all the rest of it, right?

00:15:49.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:49.87
Adz
Like there's all, and and ah and and there's, yeah, and and that that's always that's always been problematic with regards to, ah yeah, that's a bit of the the letter here.

00:15:50.51
Russell Gibson
Game one to a date and a game. You can, you know, label it down to that. i love that stuff. Yeah.

00:16:02.44
Adz
or This is like, this is from their debut. You know it's from their debut.

00:16:05.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:07.27
Adz
And the jersey itself can be, can be,

00:16:07.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:10.72
Adz
cut up and and used. That whole jersey can be like, they can have a one of one, they can have a number to 10 and a number to, de you know what mean?

00:16:18.20
Russell Gibson
I'm sure they will. Yeah, yeah I'm sure they will.

00:16:19.58
Adz
Like they can they can make a lot of patches out of one jersey.

00:16:22.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:23.44
Adz
So yeah, I think this is good. the other The other little bit to this, I believe there was a thing about the award winners also getting a special logo on their jersey as well.

00:16:36.19
Adz
So that might also be used.

00:16:40.10
Russell Gibson
I think that was MVP, wasn't it?

00:16:42.33
Adz
yeah award Anyone that got a named award, um MVP, finals MVP, Eastern Conference, Western Conference MVP, ah scoring leader, steel defensive player, sixth man of the year, all of those players, I think the major award winners that have got named awards will have a...

00:16:44.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:58.77
Russell Gibson
Almost sounds like army lapels in some way. So if you won multiple awards and you'd have like multiple like patches on your Jersey, that's kind of sick actually.

00:17:01.43
Adz
yeah. Yeah.

00:17:08.02
Adz
so And that's the thing. like you've If you're the scoring leader from last year, you go every uniform you wear this year, goes but the it's like that I'm the scoring leader.

00:17:17.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool.

00:17:18.86
Adz
It's a badge of honour.

00:17:19.13
Russell Gibson
the The way I saw it was almost like a patch on the back of the Jersey though, Ed, is that how you saw it like that?

00:17:23.08
Adz
um am might yeah um i'm not I'm not sure.

00:17:24.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:25.40
Adz
it It probably helps the referees um give the MVP treatment to SGA and call all the or non-calls with the fouls.

00:17:25.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:33.42
Adz
It's just so in case they get confused, they go, oh, you've got to treat him specially.

00:17:38.15
Russell Gibson
You sound salty.

00:17:39.25
Adz
A little bit.

00:17:40.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Let's go to a break. Neon Trading Cards, thank you very much for your sponsorship and willingness to work with us. We are very grateful for you. Go to neontradingcards.com.

00:17:58.40
Russell Gibson
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00:18:13.27
Russell Gibson
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00:18:25.66
Russell Gibson
Listing Topps flagship for a midnight break this Thursday. So guys, we are recording this on Sunday Australian time. These breaks are coming this week.

00:18:38.28
Russell Gibson
If you want in, go to neontradingcards.com where you'll be seeing midnight breaks. You can get them immediately.

00:18:46.77
Adz
Midnight breaks.

00:18:47.90
Russell Gibson
yeah As soon as they can break it, they will be breaking it. Bit of V drink, maybe a C4 for the lads. Get them going through the night. Thanks again to Neon Trading Cards. We appreciate it.

00:19:05.50
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we're back. How are you buddy?

00:19:07.29
Adz
We're back. I'm good. I'm good. Trying to figure out different ways um we can incorporate those patches into the jerseys.

00:19:15.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep. Alrighty.

00:19:18.19
Adz
Short top to capitalize.

00:19:19.74
Russell Gibson
This is from my friends at Card Letter. I want to talk to you about this one ad because this speaks to my soul. Clay Thompson, 2018 Panini Kaboom, green one of one, recently sold for $110,000.

00:19:32.37
Russell Gibson
previous sale,

00:19:32.60
Adz
Nice.

00:19:35.55
Russell Gibson
of this Now, where did I see this?

00:19:42.23
Russell Gibson
I haven't got it written down. This card has gone up exponentially. I think the sale before this was something like 10,000. ten thousand like It's literally 10x in cash.

00:19:50.61
Adz
Really?

00:19:53.09
Russell Gibson
so um Why did I want to talk to you about this? like For me, I kind of find like this, hey like Tim Duncan, Quai Leonard, Clay Thompson, guys who are NBA champions,

00:20:04.80
Russell Gibson
It's a bit unfair to put Clay into the same sentence as Tim Duncan, but you kind of know what I mean. Like they're they're not getting the hobby love.

00:20:08.75
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:20:10.58
Russell Gibson
So for me to see this card go for a hundred plus thousand US dollars, it's just music to my ears. I absolutely love this. I also think too, we need to put the crown on the head of what Kabooms are at this point in time.

00:20:23.36
Russell Gibson
Like these cards, it's not even saying they're going to be the next PMGs for me at this point.

00:20:27.76
Adz
They're modern PMGs.

00:20:29.08
Russell Gibson
They are the PMGs of this era. Like, that's it.

00:20:31.94
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:20:32.12
Russell Gibson
Like, there's nothing else to be said about that. I think Kabooms are absolute kings. um If you can afford a Kaboom, buy it and just put it away. It's a long-term investment. Buy the cheap ones. Buy the expense. You know what i mean? Just buy them and put them away.

00:20:45.95
Adz
Just biker booms.

00:20:46.38
Russell Gibson
but Buy them and flip them. You know, that's totally fine. But Kabooms are where they're at, honestly. um What else would you like to add to this card, Ed?

00:20:55.38
Adz
Nothing. I couldn't have put it better on myself.

00:20:56.88
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:20:58.49
Adz
it's These are modern-day PMGs, and the numbered ones especially.

00:21:01.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Yeah. so this next card is a bit of ah a funny one, but I want to bring this up and talk about it anyway.

00:21:13.29
Russell Gibson
I put these two cards together because they were the backcourt teammates in their championship years.

00:21:17.19
Adz
ha, ha, ha.

00:21:17.21
Russell Gibson
And even though Klay plays for Dallas now, I almost, like I can't believe it still. It's like he's you know no longer a warrior. It's just kind of weird. This is the 2024 Donruss Optic Steph Curry Slammy Gold, numbered to 10, PSA 10. sold for about card because...

00:21:36.16
Russell Gibson
look i'm really indifferent about this card because I think these are really cool low end inserts that, you know, the artwork is great.

00:21:44.47
Adz
Mmm.

00:21:47.08
Russell Gibson
The concept is fun, but am I paying $38,000 to have a little bit of joy in my pocket? I, I don't know about this. That really came out weird and wrong.

00:21:59.06
Russell Gibson
ah Would I, would I pay 38,000 to put a card like this into my super special um card collecting box? Like, and I don't think so. Like it's,

00:22:09.64
Adz
Yeah, some of the comments are pretty brutal on this.

00:22:09.66
Russell Gibson
No. Oh, is it? Okay.

00:22:12.68
Adz
is Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we are in a bubble.

00:22:15.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:16.44
Adz
So many other curry cards one could spend on. Yeah. ye

00:22:20.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah, i agree. Yeah, I think there is other Curry rookie card you might be better off trying to get one.

00:22:24.70
Adz
I feel like the most diplomatic comment there, whoever paid that deserves the card. Be careful.

00:22:31.76
Russell Gibson
so So let's just break this down then. why Why did somebody pay this much money for this card?

00:22:38.41
Adz
ah because it says PSA 10 on it.

00:22:43.25
Adz
Grades of 10. It's Steph Curry. um

00:22:48.82
Adz
Yeah, it hits ah it's a couple of key triggers for for future investment, I guess.

00:22:53.23
Russell Gibson
So the narrative that we've been pushing the last couple of years with Steph Curry is that he's undervalued. So is it possible that, and I don't think,

00:23:03.30
Adz
Wait, this is a gold to 10. It's a number to 10 Curry.

00:23:06.85
Russell Gibson
yeah, but still 38K, that's that a lot.

00:23:11.44
Adz
Okay.

00:23:11.62
Russell Gibson
And by the way, I don't think we're exclusively, like we're not breaking news by us saying that Curry's undervalued, but let's just stick with that narrative that that's what people think. Do you think that now actually people are on board with that and maybe the pendulum was swung too too far in the other direction?

00:23:26.67
Adz
Maybe.

00:23:28.35
Russell Gibson
Like, is that something that's now happened?

00:23:30.94
Adz
i think they I think this is more of an an an exception than the rule. I don't i don't think... I think people might be and on the lookout and if they've got more dollars than cents, then they might just buy something that's a little bit off.

00:23:41.92
Russell Gibson
Well, the only... i I kind of agree with what you're saying, but I also push back at the same time because this is the second Steph Curry we've had in today's show that have had quite strong sales.

00:23:53.20
Adz
Yeah, but like, yeah obviously there's the, yeah. But I mean, you've seen the strong performance from the Prism ones, like the number to 10 Prism stuff going for ridiculous money makes sense. It's Prism, right?

00:24:04.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:05.71
Adz
So maybe someone, the person that bought this just went, oh, it's numbered to 10. It might not be the most premium of set, but it's an insert set. It's numbered to 10 and it's got, do you know the one thing it's got going for it?

00:24:22.73
Russell Gibson
What's that?

00:24:23.20
Adz
And there's not a lot of the cards around. It's the night-night pose.

00:24:26.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:27.43
Adz
you know then Do you know how much you have to pay for a timeless moment, Steph Curry, with the night-night?

00:24:33.53
Adz
And it's not numbered to 10.

00:24:33.72
Russell Gibson
Well, probably not thirty eight k

00:24:34.65
Adz
It's numbered to a lot more. 20.

00:24:37.62
Russell Gibson
so

00:24:38.26
Adz
No, it's a $20,000 card. And it's numbered a lot higher. So that said, I probably would want the timeless moment.

00:24:45.39
Russell Gibson
Just really quick comp though. 2009 Topps Chrome Steph Curry refractor numbered to 500. PSA 9, that last for 25,000. 9.5, that's 100. That last sold for 51,000. Like, the PSA 10 expensive. That's nearly $100,000.

00:24:59.25
Russell Gibson
So, know, in that

00:25:05.22
Russell Gibson
like the pai ten is expensive that's nearly a hundred thousand dollars so you know in in that same budget

00:25:12.17
Adz
Fair, fair, fair.

00:25:13.38
Russell Gibson
like would you like to The PSA nine with $13,000 in change.

00:25:20.24
Adz
Always nice to have a bit of change. Go and buy some some other bits and pieces.

00:25:25.34
Adz
don't know.

00:25:26.18
Russell Gibson
I'm doubling down. I think that's a really weird purchase. ad

00:25:29.12
Adz
I still think it's a weird purchase, but I like the fact that it's got the night-night.

00:25:30.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:31.76
Adz
I do like the night-night.

00:25:32.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah. That's fine. Uh, we're going to talk about our own promotion. Now we put up a promotion in the last week or so on our Instagram for a giveaway.

00:25:44.15
Russell Gibson
Thank you, everybody who did participate. That was, in my opinion, it was a very successful giveaway for us. It got a bit more traction onto our Instagram. We had 100 or so people commenting, 93 comments in total.

00:25:58.34
Russell Gibson
So that's you know that's fantastic for us.

00:25:59.55
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:26:00.10
Russell Gibson
We don't get a lot of engagement on Instagram. Our winner he is jdrip.au. So if you own the account jdrip.au,

00:26:12.08
Russell Gibson
DM us on Instagram. Say hello. Give us your address. I will post you at that blaster box this week. My week is looking pretty good this week. There's no reason I can't get to the post office.

00:26:24.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it. I think we're going to do a couple more giveaways, Ed. I think that was pretty fun.

00:26:27.61
Adz
That was good, yeah, it was good, was good.

00:26:28.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:26:29.25
Adz
i was good um

00:26:30.43
Russell Gibson
I think we might do some singles. I think we might do some sealed boxes and just sort of mix it up you know every couple of weeks. I think that's a

00:26:36.16
Adz
Got any Donruss Optic slammies?

00:26:40.61
Russell Gibson
I mean, I might, but definitely not numbered to 10 Steph Curry's.

00:26:43.50
Adz
What about jam? You said you had a lot of jam masters.

00:26:47.48
Russell Gibson
I got a lot of Jam Masters.

00:26:49.66
Adz
ah

00:26:51.52
Russell Gibson
I've definitely got a fair few Spud Web Jam Masters just lying around.

00:26:54.57
Adz
Nice, very nice.

00:26:55.17
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Tales from America. i did get to see Wemby. It was amazing. Do I put it into the same category as seeing LeBron James in person in terms of the aura?

00:27:10.24
Russell Gibson
No, not quite. I didn't see Wemby's aura. um I swear to you, I saw an aura hovering over LeBron James though. And I'm going to stick with that narrative until the day that I die.

00:27:23.17
Russell Gibson
um How do you compare seeing Wemby to LeBron? They're they're both freakish. So like, and i think we can talk about this a little bit now in that he's allegedly now he's seven foot five. Some people are suggesting he's seven foot six.

00:27:36.18
Russell Gibson
So seeing a man with that much size and agility and the way that he has to now dribble the ball and sort of bend right down. Have you seen him dribble now? He has to like bend over the ball.

00:27:46.05
Adz
A little bit of, yeah.

00:27:47.40
Russell Gibson
It's, it's weird, man. He's so tall, but so agile. It's, it's this really strange combination. i think the whole,

00:27:55.15
Adz
It's weird. I don't know. I worry about his height. I do worry that it's going to cause health problems.

00:28:01.32
Russell Gibson
What do you think about his highlights so far from this season? Like, cause you've seen like the dream shake, you've seen the up and unders, you've seen the three points in transition.

00:28:05.64
Adz
He's, yeah.

00:28:08.08
Russell Gibson
Like he's looking good, isn't he? Right?

00:28:10.38
Adz
um there are some There's some some early buzz that he's going to be in the not-just-the-defensive-player-of-the-year conversation.

00:28:18.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:19.61
Adz
there's there's There's genuine um rumblings that this man is going to be in the MVP discussion. In fact, I did an NBA fantasy draft this morning.

00:28:29.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:29.68
Adz
This guy's a top-five pick.

00:28:32.53
Russell Gibson
I've got no problem with that.

00:28:33.73
Adz
hey the ah well I was going to be a real smartass and go, was actually considered as the number one pick. He was taken a second, but yeah.

00:28:41.62
Russell Gibson
So who, okay, so fine. Give me your top five in the league at the moment.

00:28:47.94
Adz
Nikola Jokic.

00:28:48.92
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yep.

00:28:50.80
Adz
Wemby. I'll put Wemby in there.

00:28:52.68
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:28:53.35
Adz
I'll put Wemby in there.

00:28:53.81
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah, that's fine.

00:28:55.51
Adz
Luka Doncic.

00:28:57.18
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:28:58.31
Adz
SGA.

00:28:59.75
Russell Gibson
Definitely.

00:29:00.32
Adz
And This this is considering Halliburton and Tatum are both injured, right?

00:29:00.36
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:29:02.77
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's a...

00:29:10.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:29:11.30
Adz
they' So Tatum isn't a factor.

00:29:12.58
Russell Gibson
It makes it a little bit easier, doesn't it? Yeah. um Do you know what?

00:29:16.59
Adz
Scary though, isn't it?

00:29:17.92
Russell Gibson
It's fun, though. I think the league at the moment is in a really fun place because, you know, we haven't touched on Ja Morant. We haven't touched on Zion.

00:29:25.27
Adz
He's not a, at the moment, Ja Morant's not a top 20 player though.

00:29:28.94
Russell Gibson
And my algorithm at the moment is just going crazy for Zion. I don't know if the NBA is actually paying to put all these Zion clips out there to sort of like get the buzz going again with that guy, but.

00:29:38.92
Adz
We had, we had a couple of jokes this morning where like, instead of, you know how the all-stars going to be the world versus America?

00:29:45.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:29:45.79
Adz
The follow-up next year, if they hadn't already done that for this year, next next All-Star game should be the Ozempic All-Stars. And we're going to have Zion, we're going to have Joel Embiid, we're gonna have Luka Doncic, and then we'll find a couple of others that have that have dropped some weight.

00:29:56.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:58.91
Adz
You know who won't be on that team?

00:29:59.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I love it.

00:30:00.37
Adz
James Harden. He will not be on that team.

00:30:05.91
Adz
Or Westbrook, apparently. he's been He was left out of the Sacramento game for conditioning reasons because he's only just signed on.

00:30:12.21
Russell Gibson
Well, I mean, you get you give him a pass on that.

00:30:12.71
Adz
Anyway.

00:30:15.39
Adz
Fair.

00:30:15.56
Russell Gibson
like Yes, I mean, you haven't mentioned Embiid, Cade Cunningham, Edwards, Booker, Anthony Davis. like There's a lot of talent in the league at the moment. I think it's really fun.

00:30:24.74
Adz
There's a lot.

00:30:26.00
Russell Gibson
I think it's fine.

00:30:26.01
Adz
I think the league is in.

00:30:26.56
Russell Gibson
I think this year is going to be really, this is going to be a good year.

00:30:26.98
Adz
There's a lot of changing of the guard, though.

00:30:29.16
Russell Gibson
so

00:30:30.48
Adz
I think the the likes of the Stephs and the LeBrons and things are starting to drop drift just out of the spotlight in this new.

00:30:37.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Into their twilight. A hundred percent.

00:30:38.99
Adz
Correct, correct.

00:30:39.70
Russell Gibson
yeah so Wemby silver PSA 10 currently trading at $925. The population this wild though. 4,779. That's just on the silver PSA four thousand seven hundred and seventy nine that's just on the silver ps a ten so

00:30:56.37
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:56.92
Russell Gibson
um Looking at the total population of the card, it's up to 8,000 with 5,000 total gems. This data is as per card ladder slash gem rate.

00:31:05.69
Adz
Card letter.

00:31:07.40
Russell Gibson
Obviously, gem rate is doing all the back end hard work for this.

00:31:11.44
Adz
Still growing.

00:31:12.36
Russell Gibson
Ryan, if you're out there, mate, we love you Hope you're well, mate.

00:31:16.93
Adz
So from the end end of the season, it's actually gone up another couple of hundred.

00:31:21.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I was just looking at the last four weeks or one month, it's up 32%. I think that that buzz is warranted. i think the hype around this kid is real.

00:31:33.18
Adz
Oh, yeah, but in addition, i meant I meant the population's gone up a couple of hundred, I meant. um

00:31:39.38
Russell Gibson
Sorry, I misunderstood.

00:31:39.81
Adz
No, no, sales sales growth data.

00:31:41.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:42.28
Adz
Sales growth data in the last six months, it's actually up 38%. Yeah, you're right. It was it was ah back in April this year, it was 667. Last sale 925.

00:31:54.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:31:54.93
Adz
last sale was yeah nine hundred and twenty five

00:31:57.47
Russell Gibson
Okay, well, that's that's good buying for the guys that picked them up at that spot.

00:32:01.16
Adz
But that's like, look at that growth off season. Now, pay be bear in mind he he was injured. He got that injury and that was probably the low point. Six, yeah.

00:32:10.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:12.12
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. So.

00:32:15.35
Russell Gibson
Look, I just think you need to be really careful with buying Wembees, and I think there's two things to really quickly touch on before we go to a break. the population is damn outrageous.

00:32:27.42
Russell Gibson
And then his rookie autographs are all unlicensed. so do I know the, the answer to this?

00:32:32.92
Adz
Crazy, isn't it?

00:32:34.40
Russell Gibson
You know, I think numbered prism cards is probably your best bet at this point.

00:32:41.83
Adz
For genuine rookie stuff.

00:32:43.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:43.41
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:43.58
Russell Gibson
Because also too, like i think a lot of that flawless stuff that came out, I'm not even sure. And maybe not flawless, but the NT, don't think any of it was game worn. So like for me,

00:32:55.90
Russell Gibson
it's yeah, he's, you know, I think he's a fantastic prospect. This is not what I'm touching on. It's more just like, what is the right card to buy?

00:33:00.97
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.87
Russell Gibson
i think that's, what's really going through my head at the moment. I think that's the, you all right, let's go to a break and we will talk about our friends at fast break trading cards.

00:33:22.39
Russell Gibson
Fast break trading cards. Thank you so much for your ongoing support. We are very grateful for everything that you've done for us. The lads are currently in Macau or coming home from Macau.

00:33:34.96
Russell Gibson
It's probably the the best way to be saying it.

00:33:35.55
Adz
that's say they They've just just returned from Macau.

00:33:38.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I hope you had a fantastic trip over there. We can't wait to hear about your travels. Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com for all of your sealed product, singles, protection, and grading needs.

00:33:53.21
Russell Gibson
Also go down to 75 Tulip Street, c Cheltenham, Victoria. Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays now. Fridays 12 to 6, Saturdays 9 to Sundays 10 to 4.

00:34:07.18
Russell Gibson
And the Thursday trading hours is actually not on this page that I'm currently looking at, but I definitely know that they are open. um The guys are a fantastic at customer service. They genuinely care about people in the community.

00:34:18.81
Russell Gibson
They'll give you good, honest advice. If you go down to their store, they've also got really well-curated singles boxes, $1, $5, $10, $20, stuff in the cabinets.

00:34:26.46
Adz
Always. Yeah.

00:34:30.16
Russell Gibson
They'll buy and sell cards off you too. They'll do trades with you. They're all about it. They they know what's up. Thank you guys at Fastbreak Trading Cards.

00:34:43.13
Russell Gibson
All righty. My next one on the list is Dylan Harper. He is the rookie from the San Antonio Spurs. Very small sample size for me, but you know the way I would describe this guy is a true NBA point guard. He knows how to just play.

00:34:58.12
Russell Gibson
He's a floor general.

00:34:59.52
Adz
Mm.

00:34:59.80
Russell Gibson
He's really good at setting people up. I thought that he had NBA pace and speed in game one. And I think to see a rookie having that much composure, even at high speeds,

00:35:12.53
Russell Gibson
um was really, really good to see. I'm really excited about Dylan Harper on the court. The only thing I'm a bit confused about with the Spurs is like, how do you fit in Darren Fox, Stefan Castle and Dylan Harper?

00:35:26.46
Russell Gibson
um i was having a conversation about this with an Uber driver and he was saying,

00:35:31.11
Adz
As you do. As you do.

00:35:32.82
Russell Gibson
So his opinion was, Dylan Harper should come off the bench, Castle and Fox should start, and Harper should earn his spot. And so my response to that was, well, in one month or two months' time, Harper's going to be the starting point guard.

00:35:46.37
Russell Gibson
They're going to be playing Fox as the sort of hybrid combo two guard. And Castle's going to be either traded or he's going to be coming off the bench. I actually hope that they... make a trade for that team and sort of just unblock that log jam.

00:36:00.46
Russell Gibson
Because I think particularly with young players who just want to come out and play, I think sometimes having that log jam, particularly, you know, behind someone like Darren Fox, who they've just basically paid a supermax to,

00:36:10.57
Adz
Hmm.

00:36:13.86
Russell Gibson
it can be very disheartening. Like this is not a good comparison, but think about like Darko Milicic. So he's drafted, he's playing behind Rasheed Wallace.

00:36:19.19
Adz
Joe.

00:36:21.60
Russell Gibson
He's playing behind Ben, Ben Wallace. And who else did they have at that time? Like they had, you know, a whole bunch of really good veterans on that Detroit team. And I kind of feel like,

00:36:28.96
Adz
Sure.

00:36:31.34
Russell Gibson
Maybe in a different scenario, Darko would have worked out you know much differently. And I feel i very much agree with that sort of you know rule in principle, whereas you want to let people have their role their role and and their time on the court. So that's what I'm pushing for in that space there. Please um free Stefan Kassel.

00:36:49.47
Russell Gibson
That's my hot take for the Spurs.

00:36:54.67
Adz
I think they'll work it out.

00:36:54.86
Russell Gibson
All righty.

00:36:55.47
Adz
I think they'll work it out gradually through the year. And just to clarify, Fox is going to be is injured for the first couple of weeks of the season.

00:37:03.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I mean, it gives you fantastic injury protection, doesn't it?

00:37:06.92
Adz
True.

00:37:07.21
Russell Gibson
And an insane depth on your team, like,

00:37:09.49
Adz
Hmm.

00:37:10.66
Russell Gibson
You know, it's pretty wild. All right, Ace Bailey. Ace Bailey was drafted by the Jazz. If you didn't read about him in the offseason, he didn't report to the Jazz because he didn't want to play there. He wanted to play in a major market.

00:37:23.70
Russell Gibson
He held out signing his rookie contract in the hope that the Utah Jazz would trade him. They were also very public about this, and basically Danny Ainge called their bluff and drafted him anyway.

00:37:36.26
Russell Gibson
He has now reported to Utah. He's signed the contract. He's been on the court.

00:37:42.19
Russell Gibson
I personally think that Ace Bailey is already better than 75% of the talent in the NBA. Now, the things that he can do on the court in terms of catching and shooting, um rising up over screens, using the ah the the penetration to go around screens and in and and again, creating space was fantastic.

00:38:03.10
Russell Gibson
I think that he probably needs to put on a little bit of weight um so he can,

00:38:07.84
Adz
Or, ah yeah, at least a bit of muscle to go around Yeah, yeah.

00:38:10.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah, like and get a bit stronger and attack the basket a little bit more.

00:38:11.58
Adz
I know what you mean.

00:38:14.18
Russell Gibson
But for me, it's such a minor thing because he can do so much more around the court. I think his three ball is going be fantastic once he settles in.

00:38:21.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:22.17
Russell Gibson
um this Yeah, in game two of his NBA career in the preseason, they drew up a game-winning play for him.

00:38:22.42
Adz
He looks good.

00:38:30.60
Russell Gibson
he can create and NBA offense at an elite level. He didn't make the shot. but I was literally behind their bench as he was walking back to it. And he wasn't phased by it. You know, some people like sort of get down on themselves and sort of, you know, beat themselves up. This kid is like even, even keel as they come. I think that demeanor,

00:38:50.80
Russell Gibson
can take you a really long way in the and NBA. You know, I think hopefully he'll have a bit more emotion like every now and again, but I was really, really impressed by him.

00:38:53.81
Adz
Yeah.

00:38:59.16
Russell Gibson
The other thing that I thought he was very coachable too, like he was listening to his head coach. He was listening to the assistant coaches. He was listening to the other veterans on the team they were trying to teach him and all that stuff. I really like all that. Like I find that,

00:39:13.58
Russell Gibson
yeah, it's just really reassuring. He's currently injured.

00:39:16.87
Adz
yeah looks good. Yeah.

00:39:17.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's currently injured now. Look, you know, if you haven't seen any Ace Bailey highlights, just, you know, go onto YouTube and just put in Ace Bailey. you'll You'll see some stuff on there. I think the other thing to look at too with Ace Bailey is like, you know, what's the NBA comp on this guy?

00:39:37.42
Russell Gibson
I mean, Devin Booker easily. i think he's,

00:39:41.79
Adz
He's a bit bigger than Booker, right?

00:39:43.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but I think their game, like there's some sort of similarities there or um I think he's better than Trae Young probably already.

00:39:47.12
Adz
Okay.

00:39:52.85
Adz
Wow.

00:39:52.90
Russell Gibson
Tyrese, yeah, Tyrese Maxey is a different type of game, but I think overall and NBA talent, he's already more than that.

00:39:53.37
Adz
Okay. Okay. ah

00:39:59.73
Russell Gibson
Is he going to be better than Donovan Mitchell?

00:39:59.88
Adz
okay

00:40:02.08
Russell Gibson
Hell yes.

00:40:04.34
Adz
See, I've got him i've got him i've got more of a yeah forward comparison.

00:40:04.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:07.40
Adz
I was like a younger Brandon, a Brandon Ingram type, but Brandon wasn't as wasn't as versatile.

00:40:10.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:13.40
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:40:14.38
Adz
Unfortunately, when you tar someone with those feathers, like Brandon Ingram was tarred with the Kevin Durant comp early, and I think he suffered as a result from it. I think Bailey's got to kind of let him develop his own character up before he...

00:40:29.29
Russell Gibson
I think Baylees is an absolute like hooper though.

00:40:31.36
Adz
But he's a gun. Like he just wants the he just wants the ball.

00:40:32.38
Russell Gibson
like

00:40:33.84
Adz
Yeah, you're right.

00:40:34.63
Russell Gibson
Maybe the fun comp on that would be Kevin Durant actually because like you know KD just like lives and breathes basketball and just doesn't care about anything else.

00:40:37.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:43.21
Adz
Legit. Legit.

00:40:45.22
Russell Gibson
That very even-keeled demeanor out there on the court. like Yeah, that maybe that's actually like a really fun one. yeah Anyway, in terms of me prospecting somebody, I'm saying just go all in on this guy. I am so high on Ace Bailey.

00:41:00.45
Russell Gibson
i I just can't sort of like say it enough. It's going to be real weird, though, because I think like traditionally Utah, no one really collects Utah that much. So will that negatively affect his value significantly?

00:41:12.41
Russell Gibson
um in the sort of in the short term, like in sort of two to three years.

00:41:13.74
Adz
In the short term, yeah, i was gonna say.

00:41:16.68
Russell Gibson
like I think in the first year, because it's rookie stuff, people will be frothing over it. They'll want to buy it. But then you know once that sort of rookie value comes off a bit and then you know people start looking at other prospects, I actually wonder in, say, two or three years' time, you'll be able to pick up your stuff really cheap.

00:41:32.28
Adz
Maybe.

00:41:32.45
Russell Gibson
ah And then you know potentially down the line, that's when you can – get a bit more value out of it. Yeah. Anyway, look, please watch out for Ace Bailey. Just see what you think. If you disagree with me, let me know online. If you agree with me, yeah, please always let me know. I'd love to hear about that.

00:41:48.50
Russell Gibson
WNBA Kaboom. We have to talk about this. Congratulations to the champs. Aja Wilson. I think I should have done this last week, but I just didn't get around to doing it.

00:41:57.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:00.17
Russell Gibson
third NBA WNBA title. ah She's been the WNBA MVP. She's been the scoring leader, defensive player of the year. It's real funny, isn't it? Because we spend so much time talking about Caitlin Clark when in fact we've got a champion like right in front of our eyes.

00:42:20.83
Adz
yeah

00:42:21.99
Russell Gibson
And so i reckon we should go on to Card Learner and give her the respect that she deserves. And I'm enjoying looking at this. All righty. 2018 Rittenhouse, Aja Wilson, card number 48, 2018 Rookie, PSA 10, sold for $3,000. I love this.

00:42:38.21
Russell Gibson
two thousand and eighteen rookie psa ten so for three thousand bucks i love this I love this a lot. I think this is a really good price for a card.

00:42:46.90
Adz
okay

00:42:48.84
Russell Gibson
I don't think this is like insane value like what it is for Caitlin Clark, but this is like an established, proven veteran in this league who has achieved a whole lot.

00:43:00.40
Russell Gibson
And that's a very fair and reasonable price for this card.

00:43:02.23
Adz
yeah agreed agreed and i think we need to see more of that like they're ah If it's just the Caitlin Clark league, we're in trouble. So I think refocusing the spotlight onto some very, very incredibly talented basketballers is important.

00:43:21.19
Russell Gibson
But we've spoken about this, I feel like on previous shows where we say like the truth is right in front of our eyes, but we're like, we're not looking at it. We're not seeing it. I feel like this is the truth right in front of our eyes, you know, right here, you know, Aja Wilson, she's got all the accolades and her card prices are what?

00:43:32.86
Adz
Sure.

00:43:37.44
Russell Gibson
10 times cheaper than maybe not 10 times, but three or four times cheaper than a Caitlin Clark. You know, it's wild.

00:43:42.73
Adz
yeah and yeah but that's the Yeah, and that's the problem. Like that's where the market needs to identify that these women need some respect as far as the hobby goes.

00:43:53.53
Adz
And hopefully we get some people collecting.

00:43:58.11
Russell Gibson
I'm really intrigued by this though, though. So population on this is 68. Like that's, that's good. That's low. i don't reckon.

00:44:04.64
Adz
It's relative though.

00:44:07.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But if you've got thousands of the Caitlin Clark, right.

00:44:09.62
Adz
Yeah, true, true, true, true. But i'm but um'm what I'm talking about relative to collectors. So population of 100 is low on Kobe's because there are thousands of Kobe collectors.

00:44:14.32
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:44:23.40
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:44:24.39
Adz
Right? The question is how many people are collecting? um Caitlin Clark to start with, I mean, everyone's got Caitlin. But when you go into the WNBA, it's like Arja Wilson,

00:44:37.55
Adz
um

00:44:41.19
Adz
how many collectors are actually targeting it. That's the so if this pop 68 is that high because there's less collectors in the WNBA space.

00:44:44.20
Russell Gibson
Well,

00:44:50.06
Adz
And I think we need to grow that space as a hobby before we see growth.

00:45:01.27
Adz
I don't know how to do that, by the way, um ah if if anyone Any bright ideas? I mean, I think it all starts at grassroots collecting, so I'm not going segue, but do you know what mean?

00:45:11.74
Adz
Like this product needs to be made available at junior wim junior women's basketball.

00:45:12.65
Russell Gibson
who

00:45:18.48
Adz
You need to inspire the young girls of the world that do play basketball. dick Like we do. We played ball. I played basketball as a kid and I collect basketball cards and I love the game.

00:45:29.81
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:45:29.96
Adz
So ah any women that love the sport, see if you can get them to fall in love with the hobby attached to it.

00:45:37.30
Russell Gibson
Well, I mean, pre-Kaitlin Clark, you could do that. You could pick up WNBA product cheap and you, to be honest, you could probably give, you could give kids a pack, right?

00:45:42.80
Adz
Well, I think there'll be a market correction. There would be, I think there'll be a market correction soon enough where, WNBA sales speak for themselves and they'll have to clear product and then they become affordable again.

00:45:52.24
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:45:53.96
Adz
And that's when you can focus on the grassroots. That's where if Panini had any common sense, they would they would have a ah lower end product that really targets women in sport and kids to to to bolster their numbers.

00:46:08.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I'll really quickly address that. I think the issue Panini has had with WNBA the last couple of years, it's it's all gone. And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago when I was like, yeah, but it's not just Caitlin Clark, right?

00:46:17.61
Adz
that's the Caitlin, the Caitlin Clark problem, right?

00:46:21.65
Russell Gibson
Like I told you I couldn't buy any hobby at all from like five or six different shops at.

00:46:22.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:27.02
Russell Gibson
It's still the same this week. It's still the same, right? So I think in general... um And I'll loop that back into the age of Wilson. So if you think about the age of Wilson rookie card ad, this is much before Caitlin Clark.

00:46:39.86
Adz
Yeah, yeah, true, true.

00:46:40.26
Russell Gibson
And so I think the population numbers on that is actually a true organic number because so no one's submitting that stuff to, to PSA unless they're collectors.

00:46:45.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:49.61
Russell Gibson
Like it's as simple as that, right?

00:46:50.06
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:46:51.13
Russell Gibson
Like,

00:46:51.99
Adz
For sure.

00:46:52.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So um I think it's actually a really interesting one. So just really quickly, I ah pulled up the Caitlin Clark silver PSA 10. This is the active jump shot one population. This is actually 49. So it's less than the age are and it's selling for 2,134. That actually surprised me. So technically the age are selling for more than the Caitlin Clark at the moment.

00:47:14.85
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:15.76
Russell Gibson
That's kind of like, this is kind of cool to me. Like this speaks to my soul.

00:47:23.09
Russell Gibson
I think overall there's a lot more Caitlin Clark. So, cause like even on this part alone, there's the, there's the pointing up, there's the action, there's the number, there's a la la la.

00:47:26.73
Adz
Yeah. There's multiples. There's the finger. Yeah.

00:47:32.02
Russell Gibson
So I think overall is yes. I pulled up one particular number that's, you know, less than the Asia, but I think overall this, you know, there's much more Caitlin Clark out there than Asia.

00:47:41.05
Adz
yeah

00:47:42.34
Russell Gibson
um

00:47:42.50
Adz
yeah

00:47:43.35
Russell Gibson
It's time for us to go to a another break. US sports cards, Australia.

00:47:50.99
Russell Gibson
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00:48:04.13
Russell Gibson
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00:48:14.50
Russell Gibson
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00:48:34.62
Russell Gibson
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00:48:46.24
Russell Gibson
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00:48:59.87
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, Adam, we're back. This is the last quarter of this week's show.

00:49:04.01
Adz
The final quarter drawing up some plays now for the final quarter.

00:49:04.06
Russell Gibson
we are going

00:49:06.73
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Let's get the the chalkboard out. We're going to talk about Kevin Durant. This is from Alt XYZ Official. What has caused this spike in Katie's market over the last year?

00:49:19.02
Russell Gibson
So we've traditionally spoken about Kevin Durant in the way that He seems to be undervalued. He's not very collectible. la la. So now we've got a fair bit of data to show here that actually it's gone up quite a bit.

00:49:32.10
Russell Gibson
2012 Panini Prism was 921, now trading at 1,386. His Kaboom from 2013 was trading $5,000, now at 10,751. one thousand three hundred and eighty six his could boomm from two thousand and thirteen was trading at five thousand dollars is now ten thousand seven hundred and fifty one His black 2007 Topps rookie card was $667. It's now trading at $800.

00:49:55.32
Russell Gibson
I think this is the one that's the easiest to say that you know you've let it get away because all that rookie stuff was trading for like $100, $200 at some point. It was just dirt cheap.

00:50:07.44
Russell Gibson
two thousand and seven topps chrome refractor Card number 131 was trading at 3,600, is now at 4,800. 2007 Fleer, 86 rookies, was at 258, is now trading 465. Adam, what you think has caused this increase value on the Durantula Slim Reaper.

00:50:20.83
Russell Gibson
eighty six retro rookies was at two fifty eight is now training at four sixty five adam what do you think has caused this increase in value on the tarantulaica

00:50:34.42
Adz
um reckon kevin durant I reckon now Kevin Durant's created a bunch of burner eBay accounts and has been bidding on his own cards.

00:50:34.93
Russell Gibson
<unk>m reaper

00:50:43.18
Russell Gibson
So you think he shined his own cards, do you, man?

00:50:45.03
Adz
He's shining them. Yeah, he's wonder shining them. No, no, look.

00:50:48.43
Russell Gibson
i didn't No, no, I didn't say one to shine. I said shine. and S-H-I-N-E.

00:50:52.60
Adz
Oh, sorry. Wonder shilling.

00:50:56.32
Russell Gibson
Allegedly.

00:50:56.37
Adz
<unk> what He's allegedly won to Schilling. um Who knows? He's got a lot of burner accounts. Maybe him and Anthony Edwards are having a competition about who can get the highest card.

00:51:07.05
Adz
Anyway, he does.

00:51:07.26
Russell Gibson
He has many burners. um

00:51:09.38
Adz
um Look, i look i think the I think there's exceptions.

00:51:10.50
Russell Gibson
oh What do you think?

00:51:12.46
Adz
I think there's the rookie stuff. Yeah, like it goes up. Rookie stuff does gradually. It's not a massive trend. um KD in Houston.

00:51:28.48
Adz
Oh, well, that's even, oh, is that August? August to August?

00:51:38.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's the last, it's basically in 12 months.

00:51:39.68
Adz
that's august it's It's August to August, right?

00:51:41.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:42.40
Adz
Okay, so movement movement to to the rockets, maybe. um Kaboom is just natural.

00:51:51.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:52.21
Adz
Like it could you could be an Anthony Bennett kaboom and it would be worth lots of money.

00:51:57.47
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:51:57.48
Adz
Let's be fair, right?

00:51:58.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:58.44
Adz
Ben Simmons, it could be anyone. um

00:52:01.04
Russell Gibson
There's a few data points though. you can So even if we take the kaboom out.

00:52:04.10
Adz
I agree. You take the kaboom out.

00:52:04.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:06.18
Adz
I think it's just gradual. There's also that new team hope and Houston might actually be, there's a lot of hype around how good Houston are going to be.

00:52:14.47
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:52:15.12
Adz
And I don't know if we get on thelo i get on and see any of Kevin Durant. Let's have look on Card Ladder at the history.

00:52:27.09
Adz
Because he's changed teams a few times.

00:52:31.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah. While you're finding that, oh I'll let you know my theory.

00:52:33.46
Adz
Let's see Refractor.

00:52:36.04
Russell Gibson
So basically, I think this is just a market correction. So I think he's been chronically undervalued.

00:52:40.49
Adz
Okay.

00:52:43.45
Russell Gibson
And the other one to easily loop into this and sort of emphasize it, Shaquille O'Neal.

00:52:46.93
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:52:48.50
Russell Gibson
So Shaq is also seeing quite a large uptick at the moment. And I think traditionally, so let's just call it the last, say, five or six years, Shaq has been like wildly undervalued. And I think now people are coming around to that sort of, you know, realization that actually this is quite good value and, you know, and and more and more people are sort of jumping into it.

00:53:11.12
Russell Gibson
ah This is, i would just put this into the same thing. I think Kevin Durant has just been undervalued for too long. Now people are just coming around to it. And so i think it's as simple as that.

00:53:18.90
Adz
Okay.

00:53:21.35
Russell Gibson
a I don't think there's any conspiracy. i don't,

00:53:24.37
Adz
um um I'm looking at a couple. and looks like I'm looking at the, I just want to look at the last couple of years because it's the the trend in teams. Every time he joins a new team, there's hope and then it fades and then there's hope and it fades.

00:53:36.81
Russell Gibson
I think in that sense, I think no one cares about, I don't know.

00:53:38.59
Adz
It's a rollercoaster.

00:53:41.14
Russell Gibson
don't think, I think someone like KD at this point now, you know what he is. He stays with the team for a couple years and he moves on and you know, like whatever.

00:53:48.27
Adz
and Hope at All-Star Weekend. Hope at the NBA Finals.

00:53:49.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:51.10
Adz
Hope. Well, there was there was a spike after he got traded. So, and then, ah you know, like ah it's that, I don't know. maybe Maybe there's a bit of false hope. Maybe there's just a bit of natural.

00:54:02.86
Adz
I mean, he's one of the all-time scoring leaders. He's not he's not chopped liver.

00:54:05.21
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:54:07.88
Russell Gibson
No.

00:54:08.90
Adz
So, I mean, I'm not going to give him that much disrespect, but I'm just saying that, the hope of being in Houston and they they they're favoured to be in the top two or three in the in the West as a result.

00:54:22.29
Adz
I don't see it. I see there being a few teething problems and I don't think KD's a great team mate.

00:54:25.81
Russell Gibson
I think losing Fred VanVleet is a massive blow for that team.

00:54:29.98
Adz
For sure, for sure. But yeah, once again, i just I think you're right. I think there is a bit of undervalued, but I don't know where he's truly valued in the hobby. As far as an NBA, someone that is going to figure in the history of the and NBA, he'll be there.

00:54:44.17
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:54:44.18
Adz
He's one of the most Olympic gold medals by of any player.

00:54:44.48
Russell Gibson
hmm

00:54:47.90
Adz
um

00:54:49.24
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:54:49.83
Adz
hes He's got a level of um longevity in the hobby. I just don't know what is the end of his legacy looks like.

00:54:58.38
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:54:59.63
Adz
But, yeah, I think i think we're there's a roller coaster if you're part of the Durantula Collectors Club.

00:55:08.24
Adz
um And I'm sure people will be looking out for those Garbage Pail Kids cards.

00:55:12.62
Russell Gibson
yeah ah This next one is from Topps. So this is a set that they'll be introducing. it is called 8-Bit Ballers. It's a retro-themed video game trading card.

00:55:27.69
Russell Gibson
um I like it. I think it's really cool. I think if we're comparing it to the the Slam Masters or the Jam Masters that we were talking about earlier in today's show, which I've been on the record saying I'm a massive fan of because I loved NBA Jam.

00:55:35.72
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:55:41.88
Adz
huh

00:55:41.90
Russell Gibson
In some ways, I kind of like these more because it's like... original proprietary stuff as opposed to Panini just like ripping off NBA jam and probably not giving them, you know, any like kickback for it. Like why didn't they just do an NBA jam crossover?

00:56:00.66
Russell Gibson
That would have been lit. Right.

00:56:03.52
Adz
They might be saving that they might be saving that.

00:56:05.99
Russell Gibson
my only criticism of these eight bit cards, I feel like they should have leaned into it all the way because it's like, it's an eight bit background, but then the actual player itself is like a full photograph. So why not do it as an eight bit drawing, like almost like a Minecraft drawing, just like like lean all the way into it.

00:56:23.27
Adz
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true, true. Like have the background the the backgrounds a bit airy fairy, I think in generic like it's

00:56:26.76
Russell Gibson
Somehow they they need to have enough sort of, Yeah. I reckon that's what they should do. Like, like make it more bit like, I think the photograph is too clear.

00:56:38.26
Adz
do you know but Do you know what I would have done if I was the Topps crew, the creator crew?

00:56:40.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:42.55
Adz
And look, um Fanatics, if you if you if you do want to if you do want some inspiration and come to me for ideas, I'm i more than happy.

00:56:44.85
Russell Gibson
Hi, Tyson Beck.

00:56:50.96
Adz
i I'll have a price, but I'm more than happy to collab. um I would have had this set be a the background, be a landscape.

00:57:02.57
Adz
So if you collect the set, it's like a video game in the background.

00:57:04.36
Russell Gibson
ah yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you. Yeah.

00:57:06.68
Adz
with like different basketball courts and like a digital, but like a background that looks like a video game, like they're a part of out of a game.

00:57:11.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like a Mario game that you're walking across. Yeah.

00:57:16.07
Adz
Yeah. And then if you collect the whole set, it's side scrolls for the whole game.

00:57:19.88
Russell Gibson
Sweet.

00:57:20.55
Adz
The backgrounds anyway.

00:57:23.06
Russell Gibson
I like it.

00:57:24.06
Adz
Reach out to me fanatics if you, if you need more ideas.

00:57:25.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:25.98
Adz
ideas

00:57:27.93
Russell Gibson
All right, this is also from Topps. Design reveal. Your first look at NBA home court cards. I hate these, by the way. Arriving in 2025. These are just literally rip-offs of downtowns. um

00:57:38.89
Adz
but but

00:57:39.18
Russell Gibson
They actually just look like the downtown cards just redrawn in a different way. so

00:57:45.34
Adz
I like them.

00:57:47.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you like them because they're downtowns, right?

00:57:47.51
Adz
i

00:57:49.57
Russell Gibson
like think of Think of your own stuff, Topps. You don't need to rip off Benini.

00:57:52.81
Adz
I feel like they're a hybrid. Ready for my hybrid?

00:57:55.31
Russell Gibson
Sure, hit me.

00:57:56.11
Adz
It's a downtown blank slate.

00:58:00.93
Adz
little White background.

00:58:04.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:06.01
Adz
i just, I like it.

00:58:07.75
Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, the blank slate is like blank. You know, this is like quite a, um, yeah.

00:58:13.95
Adz
It's like someone's painted the canvas a bit. I like these.

00:58:17.18
Russell Gibson
Oh,

00:58:17.44
Adz
I don i see i see the yeah IP infringement you're you're alluding to.

00:58:25.41
Russell Gibson
it's a fricking direct ripoff. Come on. Actually, now that I've listened to you talking and I'm looking at them a little bit, you're right. They are kind of cool.

00:58:33.94
Adz
They're like an elegant downtown. The downtown's got messy. I think these are more...

00:58:41.51
Russell Gibson
there's There's nothing on the back of the cards. I think that's ah the other thing I really liked about the downtowns was that they had that little story narrative on the back.

00:58:50.26
Adz
Fair, fair.

00:58:50.39
Russell Gibson
I'm a sucker for all that type of stuff on the back. i love all that. yeah

00:58:55.06
Adz
Fair.

00:58:56.03
Russell Gibson
Carl Anthony Towns has started his own YouTube channel for card collecting. I think this is a really fun story, to be honest. And I think we need more of this from the athletes.

00:59:08.73
Russell Gibson
Like we've got Grant Williams who we know is a collector. We know Giannis has been squirreling away his own one of ones for years and not 20.

00:59:16.06
Adz
did you see Did you see LeBron open a pack of cards?

00:59:18.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And coincidentally, there's like a LeBron card in there.

00:59:21.95
Adz
A LeBron in there. Oh, my God. Well, he actually couldn't rig that, but...

00:59:25.82
Russell Gibson
Yes, you can. You can scan it.

00:59:31.34
Russell Gibson
You're telling me Topps didn't scan that packet before they gave it to me? Come on.

00:59:36.16
Adz
Here's the LeBron pack for the LeBron ad. Yes.

00:59:38.31
Russell Gibson
hundred percent

00:59:39.84
Adz
Fair. I'm just trying to be naive and keep my innocence in the hobby.

00:59:44.59
Russell Gibson
Please.

00:59:45.75
Adz
Faith in humanity. Hmm.

00:59:47.89
Russell Gibson
It's like, that stuff makes me want to spew, honestly. Look. i To be honest, I didn't put that into the run sheet on purpose.

00:59:52.27
Adz
It's fame.

00:59:54.01
Russell Gibson
So now you brought it up. I'm just going to tell you. Maybe you want to spew. All right. This is from Card Ladder. A Dejounte Murray black one-of-one rookie card sold for $14,400. BGS than $1,000, Adam? I don't get What am missing here?

01:00:12.36
Russell Gibson
ah why the hell did this sell for more than a thousand dollars adam i don't get it what am i missing here

01:00:22.22
Adz
There's someone's got a DeJounte Murray PC and they, i don't know, maybe it was DeJounte Murray's mum.

01:00:27.94
Russell Gibson
How many people are bidding against each other on this card to get it up to 14K? This makes...

01:00:32.94
Adz
may make Maybe it was different relatives in the Murray family and they were bidding on the card. I don't know.

01:00:40.13
Russell Gibson
How...

01:00:40.66
Adz
I actually don't know.

01:00:42.16
Russell Gibson
How much of a problem is shilling? Like, honestly, at this point in time... I'm serious. Who is paying? who Who are you bidding against for this? Okay, so let's just benchmark this.

01:00:55.13
Russell Gibson
Steph Curry refractor, numbered to 500 rookie card. Yeah,

01:00:58.62
Adz
Hang on, hang on We'll go back we go back one more to that and go $14,000 for this. i I'll do you this. Or the Steph Curry Slammy for $38,000.

01:01:11.82
Russell Gibson
yeah well, I was just going to say, hang on a second. The PSA 9 is selling for 25.

01:01:17.05
Adz
yeah

01:01:17.86
Russell Gibson
So for another 11,000 on top of that, you could get a Steph Curry. Like, what ah what are people? I don't... I feel like I'm just missing, you know, when someone tells you a joke and it kind of goes over your head and you don't realize what the joke is for like 20 minutes and then eventually you work it out.

01:01:29.86
Adz
It just doesn't make sense. And you're just like, what? Yeah.

01:01:34.65
Russell Gibson
I feel like I'm in that space right now. Like what the hell is going on here?

01:01:38.34
Adz
I feel like the more you try and find relativity in in the hobby, the less it makes itself apparent.

01:01:44.80
Russell Gibson
All right. Anyway, look, people at home, if you could please explain to me why someone paid that much money for that card, it would really appreciate it.

01:01:51.67
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:01:52.10
Russell Gibson
We're going to do two more things, Adam. We're going to do the ringers clip with Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe, where Zach Lowe describes the Sacramento Kings as the Hindenburg of the NBA players.

01:02:08.65
Russell Gibson
And I think that was before Russell Westbrook's... Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook signed with them. So I think he's going to call them the double Hindenburg after that.

01:02:20.80
Russell Gibson
the The team makes no sense. Darren Fox is gone. DeMar DeRozan is there. Zach Levine. They've got Keegan Murray, which they've just paid $25 million dollars a year to. They've got DeMontis Sabonis, who's been an all-star there. They've got Malik Monk.

01:02:36.97
Russell Gibson
um Like, what do you what's the what's the high point of the Kings this year? What's the low point? What's the middle ground for this team, Ad? What do you think?

01:02:44.60
Adz
I mean, the big positive for Sacramento fans is they're going to save on electricity. They won't like to be much this season, which is nice, sort of going going green and and not worrying about energy emissions.

01:02:51.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:58.81
Adz
um No, i think I think they're in a real state of flux that they've sort of brought it on themselves.

01:03:06.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:08.02
Adz
And I think there were other moves that were

01:03:13.72
Adz
that they were relying on and things just backfired and they had to to to adjust very quickly. And I don't think, and I really, I really don't think they meant to be where they're at.

01:03:23.37
Russell Gibson
Oh, look, I think if you take Bagley instead of Luca, and there was a couple of other things they did too along the way.

01:03:30.04
Adz
But even, even recent times, even the last three or four years, right Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:30.26
Russell Gibson
had They had Halliburton, and then obviously they wanted to build their team around Fox instead of Halliburton, and then Fox demands a trade. like The whole thing's terrible.

01:03:42.00
Russell Gibson
The only silver lining I can say here is they've got their own pick in 2026.

01:03:47.23
Adz
Which is good.

01:03:47.71
Russell Gibson
They've got their own pick in 27 and a Spurs pick.

01:03:51.77
Adz
Is there any world where this... No, the roster's terrible.

01:03:56.62
Russell Gibson
But at least they've got their picks out. Like, that is like, to me, it's the least defendable.

01:03:58.36
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

01:04:00.06
Russell Gibson
So, for me, yeah, that's right.

01:04:01.01
Adz
So they're not Phoenix is what you're saying.

01:04:03.27
Russell Gibson
The high point of this team is they'll be in the NBA play-in. The low point of this team is they're going to be fighting for the number one – no, like, the the worst pick in the draft.

01:04:08.60
Adz
Lottery.

01:04:11.54
Russell Gibson
Like, for me, there's a place where this team completely, like, just goes pear-shaped bad.

01:04:15.95
Adz
Blows it up.

01:04:16.79
Russell Gibson
Like, Demetrius.

01:04:17.59
Adz
Well, Sabonis is injured already. So the question is, how bad does it come back from that?

01:04:20.48
Russell Gibson
That's right. Injuries. And then DeRozan shoots 35 shots a game and doesn't pass to anyone. And, you know, Zach Levine's injured again and, you know, sooking. And then you've got Westbrook coming in there and agitating everybody and trying to get triple doubles.

01:04:32.47
Adz
so but But Westbrook doesn't agitate.

01:04:32.83
Russell Gibson
like

01:04:34.99
Adz
Westbrook makes people better. He's

01:04:37.50
Russell Gibson
I'm not sure about that. ad I think in the...

01:04:39.68
Adz
a great teammate. I reckon, I don't know. it was something what If they go well, we'll blame Westbrook. Because they're trying not to.

01:04:49.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Actually, I'll tie this in really quickly. i know we've said we're going to finish off really soon. I was watching a clip actually just before we came on to pod tonight.

01:05:00.64
Russell Gibson
um This is from CountUpTV1.0 and they're interviewing Harden and Kevin Durant about why he left o OKC or why he was traded.

01:05:13.98
Russell Gibson
In the comments...

01:05:20.48
Russell Gibson
It's a documentary that's going to be on Netflix.

01:05:24.34
Adz
We

01:05:24.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:27.98
Russell Gibson
and I'm just going to pause the pod and then um I'll find this.

01:05:33.52
Russell Gibson
All right. I can't find the comment where it's listed at. But anyway, fingers crossed this is going to be a Netflix or it's going to be a sports documentary. We need to hear this story.

01:05:43.60
Adz
we do We need to, yeah, we're that thunder.

01:05:43.73
Russell Gibson
like we need to We need to know why this team was broken up.

01:05:46.44
Adz
Yep.

01:05:48.26
Russell Gibson
Look, you're in the camp that Westbrook's a good teammate. I'm in the ken in the camp that he's an absolute like maniac and maybe should passed the ball a little bit more than what he did in his career, but that's just me.

01:06:02.19
Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure how this is going to work out in Sacramento. I think it could go up in an absolute...

01:06:05.14
Adz
Maybe they did it on purpose. They only got it for 3.8 billion or something.

01:06:07.24
Russell Gibson
all the flames Oh yeah, look, it's a great pickup in terms of talent versus cash. I've got no problems with that at all.

01:06:12.63
Adz
Yeah.

01:06:13.31
Russell Gibson
All right. We don't have a Jordan to close tonight. However, Adam, I found a Kobe to close. This is for you. 1997 metal universe, Kobe Bryant, planet metal card.

01:06:24.32
Russell Gibson
Number three PSA 10 population 23 sold for $4,680.

01:06:26.59
Adz
Cool.

01:06:27.92
Russell Gibson
froth sold for four thousand six hundred and eighty dollars a froth away

01:06:33.92
Adz
That is a card. That is a card indeed. um Yeah, I want one. That's as simple as that.

01:06:41.99
Russell Gibson
All right.

01:06:42.76
Adz
I want one.

01:06:44.63
Russell Gibson
How good of a...

01:06:45.13
Adz
If the pop was 24, it would be even better, but...

01:06:48.14
Russell Gibson
Even better, yeah. How good of a deal is this card? Do you think that this is going to go up more? Is this sort of the higher end? Like, where are you at with this sort of stuff?

01:06:57.42
Adz
I think this is the beginning of the, the, the, the upward trajectory. I think there'll be another couple of spikes.

01:07:05.74
Russell Gibson
So you're not worried about the narrative that we're in a bubble at the moment and...

01:07:05.88
Adz
I think this is.

01:07:11.22
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:07:11.34
Adz
No, no, so so ah think there's going to be the same spike that we've seen with Jordan cards happen to Kobe eventually. And, um,

01:07:22.82
Russell Gibson
But looking at that graph, that to me looks like we're seeing the spike already.

01:07:27.79
Adz
But we've seen spikes with Jordan and then we've seen another spike, like the 4 to 24.

01:07:31.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:36.67
Russell Gibson
Okay.

01:07:36.93
Adz
So we'll see. Could be a 20K card in 20 years.

01:07:38.44
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:07:39.82
Adz
Who knows?

01:07:40.58
Russell Gibson
So in your mind, this is a buy and hold card. You don't need to panic.

01:07:47.05
Adz
Not at all. No, it's Kobe. a that ah That isn't changing.

01:07:50.74
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:07:53.95
Russell Gibson
Thank you to Central Coast Radio listeners. Thank you to our friends in Canada, South America. We had some Russian listeners the other day too, Ad, which I'm kind of happy about.

01:08:03.05
Adz
Nice.

01:08:06.05
Russell Gibson
Philippines, Indonesia, Nulls Island, of course, our friends in Australia, Canada, I said that, America, Mexico.

01:08:16.14
Russell Gibson
We appreciate you all.

01:08:17.62
Adz
We appreciate all of you. And it's it's, yeah, big, big thank you to everybody that that listens to us in their cars, that that watches us on YouTube, that that tunes in on Central Coast Radio.

01:08:28.38
Russell Gibson
Correct.

01:08:29.06
Adz
Wherever you listen, we really, really, really do appreciate the support.

01:08:32.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:33.09
Adz
um Yeah, the show wouldn't be possible without the listeners.

01:08:35.26
Russell Gibson
to

01:08:36.51
Adz
so

01:08:37.38
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam, and take care.

01:08:39.30
Adz
Thanks, Russell. We'll see you next week.