Episode 246: Luka LogoMan, Panini Lawsuits & Hobby Legends Rising

In this week’s You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adam unpack one of the wildest weeks in the hobby.

They dive into Panini’s latest courtroom battle with Wildcard, the gambling scandal updates, and the eye-watering pull of a Luka Doncic 1/1 Logoman in Lakers colours. Plus — underrated legends finally getting their shine, from Hakeem to Duncan, and the rookies shaking up the season: Vijay Edgecombe, Derek Queen, and Dylan Harper.

Is the hobby entering a new golden age, or just a wild west of lawsuits and Logomen? Tune in and check the pulse of the market!

🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/70w10XxmGviovd5T0LUFFc

Transcript

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Adz
is And there we go, we're live.

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Russell Gibson
Thank you.

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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 246 two hundred and forty six of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast, where you host Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

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Adz
You've got a huge smile on your face there, Russell.

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Russell Gibson
I'm trying to look more presentable.

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Adz
Oh, nice. Nice. You're happy about the start of the show.

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Russell Gibson
It hurt my face actually.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
These people that go on TV and smile for like two hours straight are just beyond me.

00:00:44.21
Adz
It's the, I don't know, plastic smiles, I call it. I don't know. You can see by the eyes, that the, the, Crows feet in the eyes if a smile is genuine.

00:00:53.72
Russell Gibson
Right. That's how you do it, is it?

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Adz
Apparently, apparently. I just think it's me getting old.

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Russell Gibson
How I, yeah

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Adz
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Good. Hello, everyone out there. Thank you so much for tuning in This week's show is going to be a bit of a mixed bag. I think we could call this the um the summary episode of what's been going on in the league.

00:01:12.33
Adz
Getting up to speed with what with with with what's been going on in the league.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
How's that? Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
We are going to quickly touch on the gambling because there's an update in that space. There's some crazy lawsuit between Panini and Wildcard. We're going to go over some questions that we ran out of time for, for the last question and answers episode.

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Russell Gibson
So thank you to everybody who did chip in for that.

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Adz
Nice.

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Russell Gibson
We had a fantastic time doing questions.

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Adz
Hmm. yeah That was

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Russell Gibson
We're going talk about Derrick Queen because I'm currently obsessing over this guy at the moment and the Pelicans. So I'm going to um spend a bit of time on that. And then there's also some new sort of like news around Vijay Edgecombe, Jared McCain, Dylan Harper, Walker Kessler, Keontae George.

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Russell Gibson
So we're going to you know do a bit of sort of stuff like that too.

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Adz
Yeah, yeah. News around the leg kind of thing. Yeah, sure.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think without too much sort of Much more further ado, let's just get straight into it.

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Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

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Russell Gibson
This comes from Sports Cards Nonsense. They're now becoming a breaker of news of sorts, even too now. So they're on Sports Illustrated. So those guys are just absolutely killing at the moment.

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Adz
Oh.

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Russell Gibson
Congratulations, Jesse and Mike. um Panini weaponizing its dominance to choke off wild cards, emergent trading card brand. Panini is leveraging its market power to coerce essential downstream distributors and essential upstream specialized manufacturers. so So essentially to spell that out a little bit further, Panini was contacting um people that had accounts and also distribution companies to basically tell them we won't give you any more pinini product if you're purchasing or on selling the wildcard stuff.

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Adz
o

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Russell Gibson
So that was their strategy around that to sort of, you know, choke it down.

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Adz
Strong arming them.

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Russell Gibson
And then, and then the other one, was which is about is the printing press.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I mean, that one for me is a little bit of an interesting one because it's like, you could imagine in some ways how that they could almost say, well, that's fine.

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Russell Gibson
We're happy to lose your business. you're You're leaving anyway, almost imminently.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And good luck finding another printing press at volume at such short notice when you're already under the pump in terms of, you know, they had to be out by October in terms of pinning his license.

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Russell Gibson
They weren't allowed to you know keep making license MBA cards after that. So I think that's a really interesting one of almost like they're bluffing as opposed to like, you know, genuinely threatening a company like that.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
Look, I think this story is going to go away very quickly because Panini is leaving us almost imminently.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
And i kind of get the feeling Panini could outspend them in court too. i couldn't imagine Wildcard has got to as much equity in the bank as Panini have got.

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Adz
ah Probably, but I'll tell you what, like, the, the, I don't understand with all that goes on. And I, well, I do understand to an extent, but it seems ridiculous that there's so much nonsense and it's ironic, I guess, that it was, this has been reported by sports cards nonsense, but there is so much sports cards nonsense nonsense that goes on in the courts.

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Russell Gibson
Sports cards nonsense, yeah.

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Adz
Like, it's like, I'm going to take you to court. I'm going to stop you from doing this. And it's just, I don't know. like

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Russell Gibson
It's a very American thing to be litigious, though.

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Adz
Yeah, it's true. I just, I don't understand the point of it. and None of it's really in previous things. There's David Goliath stories, there's Panini versus Fanatics, there's Fanatics versus some other Fanatics joint in Australia. that It's always just lot legal things and nothing seems to be resulted or um nothing major comes from it. So I don't know.

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Russell Gibson
I get the feeling though that in terms of who's the dirtiest fighter between Panini and Fanatics, like Panini is a lightweight in that space.

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Russell Gibson
So I think if wildcarders think they're getting a hard time off Panini, I think they really need harden up just a little bit.

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Adz
ya Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
What?

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Adz
All I think is the only the only entity that's winning out of this is whoever the the um legal represent.

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Russell Gibson
the lawyers are.

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Adz
Yeah, the the lawyers of both companies are going to get paid in a big way.

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Russell Gibson
They're going to get paid.

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Adz
Yeah, for sure.

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Russell Gibson
Look, wildcard sucks anyway, so I really hope that they do just go broke and go away. Like, seriously, like, what a what are we talking about here?

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Adz
they they not They're not the best cards, let's be fair.

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Russell Gibson
All right, let's move on.

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Adz
Let's be fair.

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Russell Gibson
Gambling update. Look, I think these are going to be coming almost every week or every second week at this point. So we'll just do this really briefly.

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Adz
Well, it's shams, isn't it?

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Russell Gibson
This is from, yeah, from Shams and ESPM, United States Congressional Committee is meeting with NBA officials on Wednesday in Washington, DC, in wake of the indictments of Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier and Damon Jones.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So what does that mean? it just means we're not going to get any more information, you know, for weeks or if not months. I suspect that's what that probably tells us.

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Adz
Yeah, well, i i'm goingnna I'm going to say that's probably the most interesting thing basketball-wise that's happening in Washington, though.

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Adz
Sorry to all the Wizards fans out there.

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Russell Gibson
I watched a bit of the wi the Wizards today. They weren't that bad, were they?

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Adz
No, they're definitely not my um not on my ah league pass radar, that's for sure.

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Russell Gibson
like Okay.

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Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
I mean, ironically for the Wizards... Sorry, you got the Wizards in my head now. The Blazers, they've been playing really well.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
They've strung a whole bunch of wins together since Billups has walked away. They're currently 5-4, which just puts them in 7th in the West.

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Adz
boom I wonder if anyone...

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Russell Gibson
So...

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Adz
um maybe Maybe the reason they've sucked is is because they' like the young ones have sucked as Billups was trying to get some results out of it.

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Russell Gibson
I don't think they were trying to win last year.

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Adz
No, no. I don't think anyone was gambling on them to win either. So I don't think it was a...

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Russell Gibson
i bet you there was some Degens out there, man.

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Adz
You bet you bit me, do you? well Well, we could get in trouble for that, so let's not. There'll be no betting on the Blazers.

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Russell Gibson
Can we get into trouble for that?

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Adz
and I don't think so.

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Adz
Betting on a terrible basketball team is not so it's not a good.

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Russell Gibson
I've got the feeling our sponsors won't have any problem with us gambling at all, to be honest.

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Adz
No, that's pretty probably fair. They'll probably be able to give just a few tips, let's be fair.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

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Adz
Teach us how to do it properly.

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Russell Gibson
Exactly. Yeah. All right. I think that's all we need to do on that, isn't it? That's done.

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Adz
it.

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Russell Gibson
what

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Adz
That's that's the all the updates for the for the week on on that nonsense.

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Russell Gibson
What I think we can segue into, though, is a huge win for the Blazers. Denny Ajava. has re-signed for four years, $55 million. I actually had to read this story three times because i thought that it was either a misprint or there was something wrong with like my internet or whatever. That's an absolute bargain.

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Russell Gibson
I've got a lot of respect for this guy. I think he's got an incredibly high motor.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
i think he genuinely cares about his his game and his teammates and and playing winning basketball.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And to get him for that type of contract, I actually don't understand

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Adz
Quite impressive.

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Russell Gibson
like how it got to that point.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
And so I'll put this, I'll put this almost to like, to the, okay, maybe not the best contract in the whole league, but this has to be at least, like taking out the rookies, this has to be the best contract in the league. I think that's pretty fair to say.

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Russell Gibson
Like who you're getting for four years, 55 million at the moment.

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Adz
Okay.

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Adz
Yeah, true.

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Adz
That's true.

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Russell Gibson
I think,

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
So huge, huge congratulations to the Blazers. And I think when you do stuff like that, it really does set you up for other moves on your roster to make your team better.

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Adz
Mm-mm.

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Russell Gibson
So it's easy.

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Adz
Four years 55. um Austin Reeves is on four years 54, but anyway. But that contract's about to be extended for a lot more money. But Austin Reeves is on that kind of money.

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Russell Gibson
what What would you expect Austin Reeves to get on his next contract?

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Adz
A lot more. I mean, a lot more.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah. Austin Reeves is looking at not not max money, but first, second stringer type money, not role player money. That's for sure.

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Russell Gibson
All right, let's go back and do some questions from last week. David Lindsay, what was the first trading card that really meant something to you and why?

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Adz
Yes, that was a good one.

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Adz
Do you want to go first? Do we want to do this where we both answer the question or do you want to?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's fine.

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Adz
Okay, yep. um What was the first trading card that really meant something to me and why?

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Adz
um

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Adz
ah Shaq and Anthony Hardaway, Thunder and Lightning. because it was the first quote unquote big hit that I pulled from a pack.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. sure.

00:10:09.30
Adz
um That I remember pulling from a pack. ah Like it was a card that that was sought after at the time. Shaq was obviously a big deal. ah Penny was new on the scene.

00:10:20.65
Adz
it was ah it it was kind of one of the big hits from that set of Skybox. and And yeah, that that ah really stuck with me. And to the point where I remember it so fondly that I've acquired it again.

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Russell Gibson
ye

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Adz
um because it's one of those cards I just want to have for the memory of it, because because there's a nice story behind it.

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Russell Gibson
yeah for sure

00:10:38.67
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

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Russell Gibson
The first card, I think for me, would have to be a NBA Hoops Chris Webber rookie. And when they made that set in, I think it was from series two, think it was one card in every pack had a gold stamp on it.

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Russell Gibson
And I got one that had a gold stamp on it.

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Adz
yep, ye yep.

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Russell Gibson
And for some reason, I i just felt like,

00:11:04.12
Adz
92, 93, the anniversary set. I know which one you're talking about with the the embossed.

00:11:06.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't know. There was something about that card.

00:11:07.50
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
It just felt really, really special. And it's probably worth like $2 or something like that. But at the time, was just like, oh my God, you know, this fantastic.

00:11:12.42
Adz
Not, yeah, yeah. It's insane.

00:11:15.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:16.34
Adz
First card that was given to me that made some, that had significance was one of the Dream Team set, the Redemption set.

00:11:16.67
Russell Gibson
oh

00:11:23.64
Adz
My friend gave me the Scotty Pippen out of that.

00:11:26.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:11:27.40
Adz
But that was just more card that was given to me rather than...

00:11:30.43
Russell Gibson
What's that worth now, that redemption?

00:11:32.43
Adz
ah don I don't know, was a redemption set from Upper Deck from because of the 92 Dream Team.

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Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:11:37.03
Adz
So yeah, it was I don't know, I had the Pippin was great.

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Russell Gibson
Nice. Yep. Question two, has grading made collecting feel more serious, less fun, or somewhere in between?

00:11:49.50
Adz
I would say it, it's definitely somewhere in between. I think that's a that's a really

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Russell Gibson
a loaded question, isn't it?

00:11:56.38
Adz
it's a It's a very loaded, well, it is a loaded question, but it's not so in a bad way.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Adz
I think grading adds an element and you don't have to be involved with the grading process or graded cards. You collect how you want to collect. And if you want to collect raw sets, then it means nothing to you.

00:12:14.15
Adz
you If you want to get involved with slabs, then you you need to do your homework a little bit.

00:12:14.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:18.11
Adz
So I just think it adds an element and it's changed the way... aspects of the hobby are viewed.

00:12:26.99
Russell Gibson
yeah I think for me, none of those really apply to me. So I'm going to go with somewhere in between. The two things that I get from grading is that if I'm buying a very particular card and I want some assurances on it, it gives me that insurance and it also you know lets me search for it on the database.

00:12:42.24
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
and Because I think at the moment I'm very um very wary of fakes that are going around

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Adz
hundred percent 100%.

00:12:52.89
Adz
Oh, as you should be.

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Russell Gibson
And I also think too that in my opinion, the fakes are so good at the moment, I'm just waiting for that day for me to get stung.

00:13:02.09
Adz
Yeah, 100%. Yep.

00:13:03.18
Russell Gibson
So I kind of feel like in some ways I'd rather pay that little bit of extra money to get that sort of reassurances.

00:13:03.44
Adz
Hmm.

00:13:09.48
Russell Gibson
And the second note I'll tack onto this is that my hit rate on PSA 10s from me subbing my own cards has been very, very poor.

00:13:20.46
Russell Gibson
So i don't I don't take it that serious.

00:13:20.61
Adz
ye

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Russell Gibson
I almost know now that like I have so low expectations when I send cards off to PSA. It's almost like I i don't care. like I have to be very particular about the cards that I send off and and for the reasons why.

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Russell Gibson
like It's more about me getting my cards encapsulated

00:13:34.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:13:38.73
Russell Gibson
as opposed to me doing it to flip on.

00:13:39.36
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
That's how bad I am at picking cards to be sent off. So question number three, if you lost your whole collection tomorrow, which single card would you miss the most? I know the answer this straight away. I'll let you answer first, but this is easy for me, this one.

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Adz
There's one of, one of my cards. Um, I don't know which one of it. It'd be one of my top 10 Kobe's. Um,

00:14:02.60
Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.

00:14:03.35
Adz
because they they're they're practically irreplaceable. um I don't know if it would – I always default to, like, the Topps Chrome, but no, I think there's a – it's almost like the closing statements is the because I was at the game.

00:14:20.20
Adz
That's probably my favourite, favourite.

00:14:20.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:23.13
Adz
But, yeah, it's it's definitely one of one of my Kobys or my Kobys as a group.

00:14:28.98
Russell Gibson
Great. I think I do have a Kobe auto and Actually, I hadn't thought of that until you said it, so I will throw that into the mix. But the first card I thought of was a Bill Russell autograph that I've got.

00:14:40.33
Russell Gibson
I just feel like, yeah, I just feel like it would just be, even if I did get another one to replace it, just wouldn't be the same.

00:14:40.34
Adz
Once again, not replaceable. Yeah. 100%.

00:14:47.02
Russell Gibson
like There's something about that card that I just really enjoy having my collection.

00:14:48.98
Adz
Sure.

00:14:50.14
Russell Gibson
so

00:14:51.19
Adz
sure

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Russell Gibson
um Last question. We're going to go for a break, man. Has collecting changed the way you enjoy watching the NBA? And if so, how?

00:14:59.99
Adz
Not really. ah Part and parcel of it, not really. I guess it a little bit to the point where When a player gets injured, I consider its impact to its hobby value.

00:15:11.29
Adz
um

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:13.17
Adz
Just same way, I guess there's a prospecting element to things about keeping an eye, a finger on the pulse. But I mean, I just love to get the the game of basketball anyway. So I don't think the collecting is has directly impacted it.

00:15:23.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:26.68
Adz
I think when a player goes down injured, if they're a superstar, that really, the the first thought is, oh my God, their hobby value, aside from how long they're going to be out and stuff. But

00:15:35.27
Russell Gibson
yeah And their wellbeing.

00:15:35.59
Adz
Oh, wow. how yeah Correct. Well, I mean, we already think about that, but as as far as the...

00:15:40.29
Russell Gibson
I'm just rasing you, man. I'm just rasing

00:15:42.59
Adz
Well, it depends who the player is real anyway.

00:15:46.04
Russell Gibson
you.

00:15:47.55
Adz
Yeah, what about yourself?

00:15:51.28
Russell Gibson
It definitely has, but I would actually preface this with that I think where I really got into and what changed the way I looked at the NBA was fantasy.

00:16:03.41
Adz
Mmm...

00:16:03.42
Russell Gibson
Because i was into fantasy before I got back into collecting. Does that make sense?

00:16:11.18
Adz
100%. Yeah. No, no, that makes a lot of sense to me.

00:16:14.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. And so I feel like I've really started to follow some like obscure players because they were just so important to my fantasy team. And I think in a lot of ways, actually, Darren Fox was like, he either I...

00:16:25.24
Adz
Really?

00:16:26.54
Russell Gibson
Well, I think I was into him and then I think I started to pick him up in all of my fantasy teams. And then it sort of became this like, you know i mean? Like I enjoyed watching him play, then I got into my fantasy teams and then he became my main piece.

00:16:37.36
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:16:38.61
Russell Gibson
So it's all just sort of like rolled into one. But I think absolutely, I also say for myself too, I've never been somebody that has true fandom, like like you yourself, you're a Swan supporter and you're diehard and you know you get upset when they lose.

00:16:51.59
Russell Gibson
Whereas I've never had that sort of emotional attachment to sports teams. So I think this is the first time.

00:16:56.60
Adz
yeah yeah so my love of the lakers love of my afl team yeah okay like connected yeah

00:16:59.79
Russell Gibson
I don't have that. I don't have that. And this is the first time in my life I have experienced that. so Well, the reason I bring this up is when Fox got traded, I really felt like the Kings were dead to me. so I was like, okay, right.

00:17:12.72
Russell Gibson
This is the first person or the first thing that I'm sort of attached to in that sort of emotional sort of sporting way.

00:17:17.47
Adz
yeah

00:17:19.31
Russell Gibson
So yes, I think to answer his question in a very long-winded way, the answer is yes.

00:17:23.26
Adz
It does. Well, it's interesting you mentioned fantasy. I think fantasy, to segue slightly on the um on the question, I think fantasy basketball has given me a newfound empathy for players I don't particularly like.

00:17:37.34
Adz
So speaking of Karl-Anthony Towns at this point, but yeah.

00:17:37.58
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah.

00:17:41.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:44.13
Russell Gibson
right. Let's go to a break and then we'll come back and we'll talk some Luca one-on-one logo, man. u s Sports Cards Australia. Thank you so much for your ongoing love and support. Go to us sports cards, Australia.com.au.

00:17:58.70
Russell Gibson
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00:18:13.12
Russell Gibson
He's Comp CA, which is a consignment service. Send all of your cards into Ross. Write on it. You can't comp this. You'll get a free submission. Ross has been PMing me a lot this week about what's going on on his page.

00:18:27.14
Russell Gibson
He thinks at the moment about 90% of his cards are actually hockey on there.

00:18:31.12
Adz
Oh, wow.

00:18:31.28
Russell Gibson
So he's, he's calling out to and NBA fans, Please send in your cards. He really wants to get more and NBA onto the page.

00:18:41.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:41.29
Russell Gibson
One big card that's being listed this week is a Carl Anthony Towns Logerman, Patch Logerman, I should say.

00:18:46.59
Adz
Taking hat. Yeah.

00:18:48.24
Russell Gibson
So he is starting to get more NBA onto the page and some bigger boys are going on.

00:18:49.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:52.81
Russell Gibson
So if anyone is interested out there, in getting their hands on a Carl Anthony Towns logerman, go onto to Ross's Comca site to check it that out because he is running a very good business in that space.

00:18:55.69
Adz
yeah

00:19:07.52
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much to Team US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing love and support.

00:19:08.42
Adz
Very much so.

00:19:13.94
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back, Ad. How are you doing?

00:19:16.07
Adz
I'm good. I'm very good.

00:19:17.87
Russell Gibson
Good. I put this into the run sheet because I just wanted to froth over it, basically. It's just as simple as that. There's nothing really um too complicated about what we're about to talk about, other than it's a Luka Doncic, one of one Logerman with an on-card autograph in a Lakers uniform, which I thought might interest you.

00:19:38.29
Adz
Mmm, this is juicy.

00:19:40.05
Russell Gibson
From the Collectibles Guru, um this was pulled on Rip Hamilton's Rips on Instagram.

00:19:46.38
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:46.98
Russell Gibson
says a couple of nights ago, and this was from October the 27th, so that's a little while back.

00:19:51.15
Adz
About a month ago, yep.

00:19:53.03
Russell Gibson
This card is extremely unique in that it's only one of two licensed Logerman autographs produced by Panini of him wearing a Lakers uniform. With Doncic being a Panini exclusive athlete for the foreseeable future, we may not see any more now that Topps has taken over the basketball licensing.

00:20:09.01
Russell Gibson
If you pulled this card, feel like he's taken from our podcast now, would you sell now or hold in hopes of a Lakers championship and all Luka MVP? Ad, what do you reckon?

00:20:19.45
Adz
It's a hold. um I think this, given Luca's exclusivity with Panini for now, there is ah there's going to be a right time to sell this, and I don't think it's now, and I think it's going to be a very valuable card.

00:20:21.07
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:20:33.72
Russell Gibson
Definitely not.

00:20:36.32
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:20:37.35
Adz
It's like the first logo man of him in the in a Lakers uniform. The biggest thing, obviously, were just talking before the break about um how I'm a very passionate player, Lakers fan rather than following players and things.

00:20:49.00
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:20:50.54
Adz
the the The Lakers are one of those franchises and I think will draw attention. This is the first real Luka logo man in purple and gold.

00:20:58.93
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:20:59.12
Adz
And I think as such, it will carry weight for a very long time.

00:21:02.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think it's easy for me to say what I'm about to say, but I really feel like you hold this card until you can no longer afford to hold it anymore.

00:21:13.09
Russell Gibson
And what I mean by that is you sell this card and then you pay off your mortgage or you sell this card and you buy a part of a business.

00:21:18.08
Adz
Yeah,

00:21:22.10
Russell Gibson
do you know what i mean? Like something that will genuinely set yourself up for, you know, basically the rest of your life because, I feel like this is sort of one of those cards that you if you sell it too early and you sell it when the market isn't right, you will just be looking at those pictures of people, you know like the the Jalen Brunson rookie nebula that sold for $300 and then sold for $100,000.

00:21:36.03
Adz
You kick yourself.

00:21:39.28
Adz
you kick

00:21:47.49
Russell Gibson
That's the type of card this will become.

00:21:48.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:49.81
Russell Gibson
So look, absolutely beautiful card. i love the internet some days because you see stuff like this on it. like If we didn't have Twitter, you know we wouldn't have this. There's some parts of Twitter that I hate, but

00:22:00.42
Adz
Ha. There's some parts that you.

00:22:01.22
Russell Gibson
God, I love the internet sometimes. Hey, um can we just really quickly segue backwards? I just found out other people that are earning roughly the same amount as Denny Arjava.

00:22:11.59
Adz
Okay.

00:22:11.95
Russell Gibson
And actually the list is better and worse than probably what I was thinking. So Naz Reed is earning, to be honest, a bit more than that. He's probably earning another 20 million bucks.

00:22:23.39
Adz
Okay.

00:22:24.09
Russell Gibson
No, actually not even close. on, need to edit this out. I'm so wrong.

00:22:35.35
Russell Gibson
Let's just get rid of that. Don't worry about it. Alrighty. Our next card in the run sheet is this for me out of this is only for me to froth over.

00:22:42.98
Adz
Only for you.

00:22:45.23
Russell Gibson
Hakeem Olajuwon. This is from at calling shots TV. True or false. Hakeem Olajuwon is the greatest center of all time.

00:22:54.03
Adz
False.

00:22:55.10
Russell Gibson
Who is the, who is better than Hakeem?

00:23:00.78
Adz
have Have you heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain?

00:23:03.68
Russell Gibson
He was pretty good.

00:23:03.79
Adz
have you heard Have you heard of a guy called Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

00:23:07.17
Russell Gibson
He was pretty good.

00:23:08.10
Adz
Have you heard of a guy called Shaquille O'Neal? And I know ba baby Shaq got dominated by Hakeem, but veteran Shaq would not have been dominated by Hakeem.

00:23:11.12
Russell Gibson
He was pretty good.

00:23:18.75
Russell Gibson
Man, well, that happened. So, you know, yeah.

00:23:19.80
Adz
So there's a debate to be had there. I'm not saying he's like, i've I've had this discussion. I think he's in the top 10 for sure.

00:23:26.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Top 10 centers or top 10 players.

00:23:29.55
Adz
Top 10 centers.

00:23:30.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So look, yeah, even though i had his life-size poster on my wall as a child, um I actually answered to this on Twitter and I said, Kareem Wilt and Bill Russell were better.

00:23:42.92
Russell Gibson
And I know the Bill Russell one's a little bit controversial because of the time difference, but I also think considering his resume, it's okay to be kind of wrong about it.

00:23:46.81
Adz
Hmm. Hmm.

00:23:52.40
Russell Gibson
So yeah. um And just for the for this segment, I found some Hakeem card porn. So let's just go through a couple of these cards on here.

00:24:01.36
Russell Gibson
This one here is sold on Golden in 2025, actually, so not that long ago, in June 29th.

00:24:07.78
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:10.01
Russell Gibson
Upper Deck Exquisite Collection Dual NBA Logo Autograph, David Robinson and Akeem Olajuwon, one of one Logoman. This sold for $43,000.

00:24:21.83
Russell Gibson
There's a couple of things about this. I think these two had some fantastic battles over the years.

00:24:24.32
Adz
yeah

00:24:26.36
Russell Gibson
And and they the year that Robinson won the MVP, Hakeem knocked him out of the playoffs. And it was almost a bit of like revenge because Hakeem thought he should have won the regular season and MVP, la-di-da.

00:24:33.85
Adz
yeah

00:24:37.28
Adz
100%, yeah.

00:24:38.19
Russell Gibson
And then to put them onto their own cart, I think that's a really cool thing. I would also say too, the timing of that sale is quite, that's before the Wondershine

00:24:49.39
Adz
Index thing.

00:24:50.69
Russell Gibson
put themselves together. So I actually wonder if this was resold today, would you actually make a really quick flip, nice little profit on it just for the fact that there's a lot more push for people buying LogoM at the moment?

00:24:59.89
Adz
Oh, yeah, would it?

00:25:04.77
Adz
Okay, yeah, yeah, true, true. Maybe. It's an interesting price, like given the the prices of ultra modern.

00:25:07.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:11.49
Adz
100%, 100%. 100%. 100%.

00:25:11.90
Russell Gibson
I think that's a great purchase.

00:25:13.10
Adz
What? Yeah, without doubt.

00:25:13.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:14.44
Adz
and

00:25:15.30
Russell Gibson
Another athlete who I think probably deserves a little bit more time in the sunshine. And our next card we're going to talk about is Tim Duncan. The reason I'm putting this into the run sheet is because I'm just happy to see Duncan stuff sell above a thousand bucks.

00:25:30.47
Adz
ah hundred percent what yeah without a doubt

00:25:32.45
Russell Gibson
So this sold for 9,000. This is the 1997 ultra Tim Duncan platinum edition PSA nine. That's his rookie card.

00:25:42.43
Russell Gibson
Duncan's rookie cards have been very up and down the last couple of years. Like after COVID, all the vintage stuff went up a lot and then it's come back down since then.

00:25:47.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:52.43
Russell Gibson
But actually we're seeing a little bit of a resurgence in that space again.

00:25:56.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:56.41
Russell Gibson
And someone like Tim Duncan...

00:25:59.83
Russell Gibson
I think he's probably the ultimate example of this where the talent that he has and his hobby prices just aren't, they don't equate. Like his talent is far above his hobby prices. So i think like the example of this I think about is, and the most common example of this now is Shaquille O'Neal.

00:26:18.56
Russell Gibson
I think for a really long time, his cards were undervalued and you can pick them up, you relatively cheap considering the resume that he has.

00:26:24.16
Adz
Yep.

00:26:24.80
Russell Gibson
But the last 12 months Shaq stuff has really caught up. So, I think this is maybe like a fun conversation for us to have one day at, like who's the next veteran guy who's going to like pop next?

00:26:33.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:37.52
Russell Gibson
Like, is it going to be Clyde Drexler? Is it going to be Charles Barkley? Is it going to be Tim Duncan? Is it going to be Bill Russell?

00:26:43.42
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:44.37
Russell Gibson
You know what i mean? Like there's a few guys out there that you can pick up this stuff, in my opinion.

00:26:48.55
Adz
How do you? Yeah.

00:26:50.08
Russell Gibson
It's a bit less than maybe, you know, what it should be. So look, that's a really fun card.

00:26:53.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:55.10
Russell Gibson
I think the artwork on it is pretty basic, but at the same time too, I don't mind sometimes just cards that are, you know, a little bit plain and, you know, there's not a whole bunch of stuff going on. I think the the design and the aesthetics of this card, you know, works really well. So.

00:27:10.62
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:27:14.37
Adz
know, I like it.

00:27:14.39
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. um um I might just change the run sheet up a little bit because the next thing on the run sheet is Derek Queen, but i want to spend a bit more time with that.

00:27:24.48
Russell Gibson
So why don't we do,

00:27:25.15
Adz
That's all right. we've got We've got a few minutes before the next break. Let's do something small and then...

00:27:29.18
Russell Gibson
Let's do Vijay Edgecombe because I know you're really impressed with him.

00:27:33.31
Adz
ah have been early early days, yep.

00:27:33.39
Russell Gibson
And I put up a clip of yours actually this week on socials of a previous show and that i did really well. So this is for you actually, to be honest, mate. Vijay Edgecombe becomes the first guard in NBA history to average this stat line through the first three games, 25 points, five boards,

00:27:51.62
Russell Gibson
five assists. He did that with 34 points, seven boards, three assists, 15 points, six rebounds, eight assists, and then 26 points, four rebounds and seven assists.

00:27:56.43
Adz
that's

00:28:03.60
Russell Gibson
Have you been watching much Philly this, like the last couple of weeks? Have you seen much more of his game?

00:28:06.23
Adz
I haven't.

00:28:07.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:07.84
Adz
I haven't seen a lot more of it. um But it's, yeah, I mean, the the the the kid's special, very special, which is good.

00:28:17.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:18.24
Adz
It's nice to see someone sort of hit the ground running the way he has.

00:28:22.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:28:22.55
Adz
But 25-5-5 is not something to be and to turn your nose up against. And I think, yeah, hopefully, hopefully the young fella can continue it.

00:28:35.54
Russell Gibson
i I think that it can be sustainable. ah Maybe not at the level that he is currently doing it at. And we can probably segue into this next story too, just very quickly.

00:28:43.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:47.01
Russell Gibson
Then we'll come back at Edgecombe because Jared McCain has come back now. So, you would think he would at least get 10 shots per game, which is going to definitely bring his numbers back a little bit.

00:28:58.04
Adz
It changes the balance a little bit, but it's...

00:28:59.37
Russell Gibson
think Maxi's numbers are going to come back a little bit. I would also say, too, it probably takes even more pressure off Embiid.

00:29:05.41
Adz
yeah. I think the big the the big factor there is Embiid will get the rest that he needs um from the the workload, and I think it'll be shared between the three of them.

00:29:11.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:17.05
Adz
And I think on any one night, having to watch all three of those players is going to be crucial with regards to how people deal with Philadelphia. Right.

00:29:27.02
Russell Gibson
It's so weird for me because of how dominant Embiid was, like how long ago, what, two years ago.

00:29:31.21
Adz
o

00:29:33.73
Russell Gibson
and now it just feels like if he's the fifth if he's the fifth or the sixth best player on that team, they could probably still do really, really well.

00:29:39.38
Adz
True.

00:29:41.76
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean Like it's and such a weird.

00:29:43.47
Adz
i I think it was really important that they learnt to play without him, though. if that makes sense.

00:29:49.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:49.79
Adz
du Like the actual absence of Embiid helped the whole team grow. And Paul George practically being non-existent there has forced that young talent to sort of step up earlier.

00:30:02.78
Adz
And I think it's benefited Maxi.

00:30:03.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:05.23
Adz
It's obviously bennet benefited McCain and now Edgecombe. So it's good.

00:30:08.94
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:30:10.27
Adz
It's good to see Philly sort of have that young core that's developing

00:30:14.20
Russell Gibson
i think that I think that is true, but you also need talent to go into those spots. And I think like i think McCain has been better than what we were expecting. I think Maxie is...

00:30:23.14
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:24.04
Russell Gibson
Who would have thought Maxie was that? And then they just got so lucky. Okay, maybe lucky is not the right word, but I think for them to get that number three pick after what they're expecting to do last year, like again, who would have thought that's how their season would have ended up with them getting the number three overall pick?

00:30:40.32
Russell Gibson
like I think...

00:30:41.41
Adz
A hundred percent, yeah.

00:30:42.76
Russell Gibson
Maury is good, but he's also lucky sometimes a little bit too. All right, let's go to some basketball card talk. Vijay Edgecombe, this is some sales. Number to 68. It looks to me like it's it's black. I really hate this from tops.

00:30:56.67
Russell Gibson
Black is one of one, guys, not number to 68. That sold for $400 USD. Vijay Edgecombe, Pinini Prism Penmanship, number three draft pick.

00:31:02.18
Adz
Okay.

00:31:06.68
Russell Gibson
That sold for $80. I'm really surprised about that.

00:31:10.16
Adz
Okay. Yeah,

00:31:11.63
Russell Gibson
Is that just because it's... Oh, do you know why? That's a college one. That would be why.

00:31:16.20
Adz
yeah yeah, It'll be, it'll be because of the, yep.

00:31:16.31
Russell Gibson
That's totally fine. Totally fine. That's totally fine. That's, in fact, exactly.

00:31:22.12
Adz
I think understandable really.

00:31:24.61
Russell Gibson
2025 Panini Instant Draft Night.

00:31:25.88
Adz
Yep.

00:31:28.77
Russell Gibson
So this is like an instant card from Panini. That's sold for $35.

00:31:32.89
Adz
Yep. Cool.

00:31:34.69
Russell Gibson
I would have thought you could have just bought that cheaper off the website directly. Like, why do you need to buy that on

00:31:38.78
Adz
Oh, it depends if people bought them or or bought them out. Remember?

00:31:42.15
Russell Gibson
That's it. Old mate from Blair Sports Cards did that, didn't he?

00:31:44.41
Adz
Please? Yep.

00:31:45.96
Russell Gibson
All right, last one, and then we will move on from this. VJ Edgecombe Rookie 2526 Tops tip-off card.

00:31:53.83
Adz
Okay.

00:31:53.85
Russell Gibson
I don't mind that the design on that. looks to me like it's a black and white ah silhouette of a basketball ring and net. That's kind of cool. It's original.

00:32:03.64
Russell Gibson
Good photograph with him on it. The Rookie logo, i've still haven't got my head around that ad. Are you accepted that in your brain yet are you still not too sure?

00:32:13.71
Adz
I'm, I'm,

00:32:17.66
Adz
yeah, i'm it's it's a it's an adjustment period, okay?

00:32:21.55
Russell Gibson
I think that the actual design of it is lame, but let's just say that that's fine. But actually now I can actually put my finger on this. There's too much color contrast there. So for example, this one here, it's orange and it sort of sticks out against everything else that's sitting on that card quite nicely.

00:32:32.77
Adz
ye Yep,

00:32:39.22
Russell Gibson
Like everything else on that card sort of blends in well together. then you've got this bright orange lump just sort of sitting there.

00:32:46.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:49.00
Russell Gibson
Anyway. All right, let's go to a break.

00:32:55.20
Russell Gibson
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00:33:14.69
Russell Gibson
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00:33:36.17
Russell Gibson
all righty we are back and how you doing buddy

00:33:38.69
Adz
Good, I'm good, I'm good.

00:33:40.59
Russell Gibson
Good. Derry Queen. Do you have any thoughts about Derry Queen before I go off for a 20 minute rant?

00:33:46.23
Adz
Go on for your go for your rent.

00:33:51.04
Adz
Go for your rent.

00:33:51.13
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:33:52.68
Adz
I keep forgetting that the pelicans exist. So

00:33:57.02
Russell Gibson
I randomly had the Pelicans Hornets game on the other day.

00:34:01.42
Adz
that's obscure, but sure.

00:34:01.46
Russell Gibson
I wasn't really paying attention. It was more like background noise until the fourth quarter when it got really, really interesting. And basically, Derek Queen played about 12 minutes consecutively.

00:34:16.06
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:34:16.86
Russell Gibson
And his stat line was just insane. And he played... I don't think it's even fair to say that he played out of his mind, but he played a fantastic, he played 18 minutes in total for 12 points.

00:34:30.17
Russell Gibson
He had eight rebounds. He had seven assists. He had four steals. He had three turnovers, but that's fine. He's a rookie. Five out of seven field goals.

00:34:40.73
Russell Gibson
66% of the free throw line, three fouls, and he was plus 13 in the minutes that he played. He just played a fantastic game. And I'm trying to think of who he plays like in terms of his game.

00:34:56.67
Russell Gibson
And if you think about all the good things that Boogie Cousins used to do without all the nonsense and his behavioral stuff,

00:35:03.32
Adz
Mucha. Yeah.

00:35:03.72
Russell Gibson
I feel like that's a really complimentary way to talk about Derek Queen, like that really big body. he can set really good screens. He's got a really good touch.

00:35:12.98
Adz
yeah

00:35:13.15
Russell Gibson
And I also think his movement around the court is just really good. Like i probably think, in my opinion, the thing that's going to hold him back on this roster is the point guard play, because I think if you put him with a point guard that could run the pick and roll or the pick and pop or, you know, whichever you want to talk to it about,

00:35:30.46
Adz
which yeah

00:35:31.78
Russell Gibson
he would be really, really effective. So for example, if you put him with, okay, this is a bad example, but I'm going to go the easy way out with Chris Paul. Like those two guys would just like carve up teams, you know, for,

00:35:44.17
Adz
better use of it.

00:35:44.52
Russell Gibson
15, 20 minutes at a time, right?

00:35:45.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:46.01
Russell Gibson
If you put him with LaMelo Ball, I think those two would be fantastic together. you You know, Dylan Harper of the Spurs, he would be, you know, great.

00:35:51.03
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:35:53.68
Russell Gibson
Those two would just play fantastic together. You know, something like that. like I kind of look at this Pelicans roster, I'm like, I don't really see where that is, but that's okay. So that's that was the first thing. Like, he played, you know, really, really well.

00:36:06.44
Russell Gibson
I just want to revisit this of how he got to the Pelicans though, because I really think that people are starting to talk about this online just because of the Pelicans record.

00:36:15.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:17.84
Russell Gibson
The Pelicans at the moment are the worst team in the West. And so generally when you're the worst team in the West, you would then get the top pick or the second pick or maybe the third pick, right?

00:36:31.33
Adz
and yeah yeah

00:36:31.51
Russell Gibson
So currently the Pals are two and seven. trading up for Derek Queen, they traded away their own first round pick to Atlanta unprotected. And we have spoken about this on the pod, but like, you know, those things that you sort of like, you, you probably don't do this.

00:36:43.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:36:49.32
Russell Gibson
Maybe I'm just talking about myself here. I'm really like fascinated by this and I'm thinking about it way more than what I should be. So that's what's happened there in that space. And then again, let's just revisit the actual trade.

00:37:02.16
Adz
yeah

00:37:03.75
Russell Gibson
The Pelicans were at pick number 23. They traded up to 13 to take Derrick Queen, so they moved up 10 spots. The Hawks took Asia Newell, and they also get the Pelicans pick unprotected next year.

00:37:16.82
Adz
um Next year.

00:37:17.63
Russell Gibson
Like, seriously, what an absolute home run. But in saying that, Derrick Queen does look good. But would you trade away an unprotected pick in a draft that's allegedly supposed to be significantly better than this draft? So what they're saying is...

00:37:31.61
Russell Gibson
like Next year, there's going to be like five foot like five number one picks in the draft. That's the how people are currently talking about it.

00:37:38.00
Adz
having been Having it. I don't know. I really get stuck on this whole giving up something that you know for a pick.

00:37:50.26
Adz
That said, they didn't know about this guy, but they've they've seen him play. Obviously they wanted him. um

00:37:57.48
Russell Gibson
They better have, I mean, surely that they they had to have scouted, and yeah to to give up what they gave, yeah.

00:37:59.58
Adz
Surely they've scouted him. they They had to have scouted him. But it's one of those, if if you think you've spotted a diamond in the rough and you are like, this guy could be our future.

00:38:09.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:14.82
Adz
I want this player future.

00:38:19.75
Adz
you give it up. Do you know what I mean? Like the Lakers went all in for a 17-year-old kid at Lower Meriden High School and went...

00:38:23.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:31.54
Adz
Do you know what I mean? There was a lot given up for Kobe. And they they saw something. I'm not saying this guy's Kobe Bryant, by the way. I'm saying people identify talent and see others seeing downside where scouts see upside.

00:38:49.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I think probably what history has shown us is that Jerry West was a better general manager than Joe Dumas.

00:38:58.69
Adz
That that i i will I will agree wholeheartedly. um Rest in peace, Jerry West.

00:39:04.28
Russell Gibson
But...

00:39:06.51
Adz
Hope you're not turning over in your grave.

00:39:08.84
Russell Gibson
No, I mean, that was a compliment to Jerry West, not...

00:39:10.35
Adz
It was, it was, it was.

00:39:12.52
Russell Gibson
Look, anyway, if we are going to have a bright spark out of this season for the Pels, I really hope it is Derek Queen because, I mean, what I saw in a very short sample size small sample size is very, very, very promising.

00:39:27.26
Russell Gibson
And he's skilled.

00:39:27.31
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:39:29.29
Russell Gibson
Look, it was against the Charlotte Hornets, so maybe it doesn't mean that much, but it was it was a great period period of basketball. So if you do want to go back and watch a good quarter of basketball, you've only got time to watch 15 minutes, and you watch want to watch something obscure, Hornets Pelicans from last week, fantastic quarter of basketball. Yeah, you won't regret it. All right, let's move on.

00:39:48.40
Russell Gibson
We don't need to dwell on this too much. Let's talk about some other rookies. ah Let's talk about Derek. Sorry, Dylan Harper. it

00:39:56.78
Adz
let's talk about Let's talk about Derek Harper's son.

00:39:56.92
Russell Gibson
And again,

00:40:04.20
Russell Gibson
Ron Harper's son.

00:40:05.10
Adz
Ron Harper's son.

00:40:06.12
Russell Gibson
So we've actually.

00:40:06.74
Adz
Derek Harper played for Dallas, didn't he? No.

00:40:12.64
Adz
We just mixed up people.

00:40:14.99
Russell Gibson
So we, um we actually haven't picked up on this yet. So this is Ron Harper's son, Dylan Harper.

00:40:21.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:21.22
Russell Gibson
And there's also another Harper boy.

00:40:23.48
Adz
Derek Harper played for Dallas in the ninety s

00:40:26.13
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah. That real hard nose guy. And then he played for the Knicks for a little bit. Is that who you talking about?

00:40:29.48
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:40:30.17
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:40:30.46
Adz
yeah Yep, yep. Yep.

00:40:32.89
Russell Gibson
And then Ron Harper jr is currently contracted to the Lakers. Sorry, to the Celtics. He's just signed on with them as a two-way contract.

00:40:39.55
Adz
Whoa.

00:40:41.19
Russell Gibson
And actually, when I was at the in the States watching him play, I actually had to check on my phone. I'm like, my God, I'm old. This is when you start to realize how old you're getting.

00:40:50.53
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:40:51.56
Russell Gibson
But I completely missed that, that this is also his son too. So yeah, they've got two kids in the league. Congratulations to that family. That's crazy success. That's like the ball family type success, really, when you think about it.

00:41:04.35
Adz
That is very true. Yeah.

00:41:05.50
Russell Gibson
but Back to cards. a one-of-one gold vinyl has shown up with an on-card autograph on it from Topps Chrome. It sold for $40K.

00:41:20.01
Russell Gibson
Buy, hold, or sell at $40K, Ed.

00:41:22.10
Adz
So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be critical of

00:41:23.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think whoever...

00:41:31.51
Adz
Like, I'm not saying Dylan Harper isn't good because I think he is, but I think there's a bottleneck in San Antonio and how this plays out is going to be very interesting.

00:41:43.89
Russell Gibson
Well, especially how well Fox played today.

00:41:46.34
Adz
Yeah. So you've got Fox, Harper and Castle.

00:41:51.50
Russell Gibson
I personally think Castle is the odd man out, not Harper, but that's just my two cents, you know?

00:41:51.75
Adz
and i

00:41:56.10
Adz
No, I don't know.

00:41:57.00
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:41:57.27
Adz
I have a feeling Castle's done enough. to to stay in. So, and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be um out of character for the Spurs to do something a little bit different and may maybe have something in mind for this, whatever this looks like.

00:42:10.98
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:42:17.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Look, I don't know, to be honest.

00:42:22.25
Adz
You've got an eight foot tall alien in the middle of the key. So maybe three guards is viable.

00:42:30.84
Russell Gibson
I mean, you could do it Like if you wanted to rotate like those three guys around and only play those three guys as guards, I mean, I suppose you could do it.

00:42:40.42
Adz
there'd be There'd be a way to stagger it.

00:42:42.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's not impossible.

00:42:44.92
Adz
No, it's definitely not. But Phoenix tried it and screwed it.

00:42:45.95
Russell Gibson
Anyway, look, I agree with you. I think that's a sell 100%. And I think if you hit that card and you sell it for 40k, you just go and buy some really nice LeBron's or really, yeah, some really nice curry.

00:42:55.77
Adz
Or a Yoke, it's a curry. or Or if you're a San Antonio, if you're a San Antonio guy, buy Tim Duncan, buy a by David Robinson, buy Wemby.

00:42:58.88
Russell Gibson
Yep. you know

00:43:04.02
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:43:05.28
Adz
You know what I mean?

00:43:05.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:05.88
Adz
Like, yeah.

00:43:06.85
Russell Gibson
And actually at the moment, probably buying Duncan autographs is not a bad thing because Duncan autographs are coming out now of eminence at a flawless and they're all for sale on the secondary market.

00:43:14.58
Adz
Mmm.

00:43:16.74
Russell Gibson
So yes, you could you could definitely do that. ah This one's a little bit of a sad one. This is Walker Kessler. Unfortunately, he's out for the rest of the year, undergoing season-ending left shoulder surgery for a torn labrum.

00:43:27.26
Adz
It's rough.

00:43:31.99
Russell Gibson
Sources told ESPN that's reported by Shams. I think actually this is really bad because I think he was clear, like by far and away, their best center they've got on that roster.

00:43:44.48
Adz
Is that because Utah have been playing above themselves and they shouldn't be playing so well and they need to play worse so they've just wrapped Walker Kessler up in cotton wool?

00:43:52.46
Russell Gibson
I mean, the conspiracy theorist in me actually agrees with you, but at the same time, what do they do? Like, hold him down on the ground and hit him with, like, a pole on his shoulder?

00:43:57.50
Adz
Yeah, I know. No,

00:44:00.01
Russell Gibson
Like, I don't know.

00:44:02.18
Adz
no, no.

00:44:03.23
Russell Gibson
Seems unlikely, doesn't it, really?

00:44:04.68
Adz
But you're not trying to rush the guy back. You're going to look after him and make sure that you take care of it

00:44:09.06
Russell Gibson
They're not rushing that guy back. No, definitely not.

00:44:10.61
Adz
no

00:44:11.44
Russell Gibson
Keontae George sticking with the Utah Jazz.

00:44:14.30
Adz
While we're in the jazz, yeah.

00:44:17.72
Russell Gibson
One of one Nebula sale, PSA 9, sold for $16,000.

00:44:23.39
Russell Gibson
537. Let's do this game again. Would you buy, hold, or sell this ad?

00:44:27.47
Adz
I'd hold it. I like that price. I like that price a lot.

00:44:29.49
Russell Gibson
Really? Okay.

00:44:32.01
Adz
um No, but between 15 and 20K for a rookie that's shown some real potential, And I would say his play had started the season quite well.

00:44:46.14
Russell Gibson
He definitely has played well. Yep.

00:44:48.22
Adz
um i don't know if Utah's going to be the the place where he makes a name for himself, but he's definitely for though one of those one of ones. you know what i mean Like we've seen Brandon Millers go for like 30K and I'm like, oh, maybe that's a little bit high.

00:45:02.40
Adz
I think this is a good sweet spot for a one of one.

00:45:04.85
Russell Gibson
go

00:45:04.99
Adz
if he If he goes Jalen Brunson on everybody in a season or two, that card's $100,000 card.

00:45:15.00
Adz
And if he goes um

00:45:18.76
Adz
the opposite way and stays in Utah, then it might be a $6 card. Who knows?

00:45:25.63
Russell Gibson
Honestly, i would probably sell that too. And yeah, probably just buy a couple of curry autographs.

00:45:27.76
Adz
At $16,000? Do what will happen? it'll it will have a bad a bad thing. It will drop. Someone will buy it for $600, and then someone will sell it again for $100,000, like Brunson.

00:45:45.03
Russell Gibson
This season, 22 points, 3.6 rebounds, 7.2 assists. Only 27% from three, but I'm sure that will come good.

00:45:54.18
Adz
he's at yeah i always yeah he's in my um He's in my NBA fantasy team.

00:45:57.79
Russell Gibson
Ah, so you'll know all about it then.

00:45:59.51
Adz
ah they i've been

00:45:59.56
Russell Gibson
What's his free throw percentage then, Ad?

00:46:01.96
Adz
He's been very good from the free throw line.

00:46:02.09
Russell Gibson
90%, nearly 91%.

00:46:03.68
Adz
That's all I know. is ah That's one of the stats.

00:46:05.35
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:46:05.65
Adz
i Yeah, I've been winning ah been winning my free throw stats. Thanks, Keontae.

00:46:12.71
Russell Gibson
All right. We're going to go for another break here. And then when we come back, we're going to talk about the Nicola Yokic. um We're going to talk about some curry manga sales.

00:46:23.24
Russell Gibson
And we've also got a Yokic manga sale too. So stick around.

00:46:25.95
Adz
Nice, nice. We've got some cleaning up the the rest of the welcome to the season chatter.

00:46:32.66
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.

00:46:36.37
Russell Gibson
All righty. Thank you very much to Neon Cards. for your ongoing support. We really appreciate it. Go to www.neontradingcards.com.

00:46:53.00
Russell Gibson
There you will find a whole bunch of breaks. Soccer, NBA, MLB, F1, AFL, NRL, WWE, UFC, Marvel, whatnot.

00:47:04.95
Russell Gibson
They also have a reward system, sealed boxes, card services, and upcoming releases you can find out about there. They are on whatnot. They also...

00:47:17.03
Russell Gibson
are a direct partner of Topps. So they're having all of the Topps basketball breaks listed through them. Also, new news for Neon Trading Cards this week.

00:47:28.31
Russell Gibson
We can call this breaking news ad. What do you reckon?

00:47:30.46
Adz
could, yeah, yeah. Call it breaking news. That's quite ironic, but yes.

00:47:33.52
Russell Gibson
They are approved as one of the three breakers in Australia to be allowed to do repacks on whatnot. So this is a huge win for fans of repacks.

00:47:42.44
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:45.69
Russell Gibson
and also fans of Neon Trading Cards, check them out at neontradingcards.com. Thank you guys for your ongoing support.

00:48:02.23
Russell Gibson
Adam, can you believe it? This is it. We're going into the last quarter now.

00:48:06.51
Adz
Into the last quarter. but or i so I'm still in shock. we We're already like 10 games into the NBA season. Like it's...

00:48:14.15
Russell Gibson
It's nearly Christmas time. Don't get me started.

00:48:16.27
Adz
It is. He's flying. All right. well What's next on the docket?

00:48:22.05
Russell Gibson
Actually, can we segue to something completely got nothing to do with basketball cards?

00:48:26.75
Adz
Oh, sure.

00:48:28.10
Russell Gibson
I'm currently watching the Kill Tony episode 741.

00:48:34.36
Adz
Okay.

00:48:34.38
Russell Gibson
Roseanne is on it, who is 70 plus years of age.

00:48:34.49
Adz
Okay.

00:48:38.79
Russell Gibson
And she is sharp as a tack and funny as anything. And Polly Shore is on there. you remember Do you remember Polly Shaw?

00:48:45.16
Adz
I, I, know I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:47.24
Russell Gibson
Like when we were kids, like watching all those crazy comedy movies.

00:48:47.28
Adz
yeah

00:48:51.68
Russell Gibson
And he still whacked out that guy. So anyway, Kill Tony, episode 741.

00:48:54.92
Adz
Some, some things never change.

00:48:58.76
Russell Gibson
Definitely worth a watch. But not you kids at home. If you're under 18, it's got too many bad words.

00:49:05.79
Adz
Bad words for sure. Yes.

00:49:09.09
Russell Gibson
All right, back to basketball cards.

00:49:10.41
Adz
Back to basketball cards.

00:49:12.48
Russell Gibson
This is from Chris underscore Hoge.

00:49:13.49
Adz
The Joker.

00:49:16.36
Russell Gibson
And he's literally just flexing his own PC here. And if I was him, I'll be flexing it too.

00:49:21.78
Adz
I'd be flexing that too. That's a one of one.

00:49:24.94
Russell Gibson
I'd probably flexing it on my way to the bank though, to put it into a safety deposit box.

00:49:29.26
Adz
Fair, fair, fair.

00:49:30.73
Russell Gibson
Immaculate collection. One of one. Logerman. On-card autograph from 2017. Not quite rookie yeah but close enough

00:49:42.46
Adz
Close enough.

00:49:45.15
Russell Gibson
what do you think that would get in a sale? I think that's the fun part to speculate on now, isn't it?

00:49:59.95
Adz
logo, man. Is that is that a...

00:50:05.34
Russell Gibson
I don't think this is,

00:50:05.41
Adz
Am I insane to say that's a $500,000 card?

00:50:10.96
Russell Gibson
ah No, I don't think it's insane. I mean, the way that high-end stuff is traveling at the moment, it's definitely not insane. I don't think it's Wondershine material, though.

00:50:20.45
Adz
You don't think it's Wondershine material. Okay.

00:50:22.80
Russell Gibson
don't think so, because I'm just reading through this now.

00:50:23.58
Adz
Is that the first logo man of Jokic?

00:50:27.96
Russell Gibson
There was one in 1516. Yeah.

00:50:31.08
Adz
Okay. Okay. Okay. So there is. Sorry. So there's been a couple of other. It's ah like the third year, second year, second third because of the second round pick.

00:50:36.87
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:50:38.54
Adz
Okay. All right.

00:50:39.18
Russell Gibson
like I say this is not Wondershine just for the fact that it's not his rookie card. And also too, as much as I personally respect and love Jokic, I don't think

00:50:49.78
Russell Gibson
it think the Wondershine is trying to get people that I love and respect, all they want is like Jordan, Kobe, Steph Curry. Do you know what I mean?

00:50:57.93
Adz
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:51:00.25
Russell Gibson
So I personally think this is around two hundred k

00:51:06.07
Russell Gibson
Maybe one day does go up to 500. I mean, who knows? But because it's not rookie, it's PSA 8, I don't think it's got that huge, huge sort of value attached to it.

00:51:09.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:19.51
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:51:19.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:21.06
Russell Gibson
um Now, this next one here is from Backyard Breaks. Old mate has come back from rehab. It's good to see him back in the mix. He is talking about a... Basically, what he's trying to do here, he's trying to pump up prison black in a really like roundabout way. And the price on prison black is exponentially has gone up on the resale market. So if you are holding prison black, probably check the prices on that at the moment.

00:51:48.16
Russell Gibson
Sealed, I should say, if you're holding prison black sealed, you should check the prices on that. Um, why is this significant? Because it just sold for $43,000. so, and so

00:52:01.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:03.16
Russell Gibson
you know I think the real question for me is, is that the right time to sell this at 43K, particularly for a PSA 10? Or is this going to be the last big case hit that we get from Panini?

00:52:16.59
Russell Gibson
In my opinion, it's an absolute banger. I think they've done a really good job with this.

00:52:20.50
Adz
I think this card will age well.

00:52:23.09
Russell Gibson
I think this is going to do very well long term.

00:52:25.72
Adz
I think it will age well.

00:52:26.19
Russell Gibson
In fact, and we can probably segue into the next card onto this.

00:52:29.82
Adz
Going back to the Joker.

00:52:31.67
Russell Gibson
So back to Jokic again, 2024, Prism Black, Nicola Jokic, Manga, PSA 10, that's all for 20K.

00:52:38.46
Adz
Love it. That's a buy.

00:52:41.46
Russell Gibson
I personally think at that price, whoever sold it at that, they're going to look back on that with a little bit of regret. Because also too, at that price at 20K, you then have to pay your eBay fees.

00:52:57.64
Adz
Mm.

00:52:58.51
Russell Gibson
like Would you have just been better off going to a card show and trying to get 20k cash out of someone for that?

00:53:02.10
Adz
Mm.

00:53:03.83
Russell Gibson
like You can't tell me.

00:53:05.55
Adz
Yep. it It's certainly ah going to be very different terrain, navigating the the the handover period between Panini and Topps and what inserts its hold value and things. But I think these manga cards are the real deal.

00:53:21.85
Adz
So, yeah. Yeah.

00:53:23.64
Russell Gibson
I think this is how people are going to remember Panini's last set as, because I think that Panini tried to make Flawless and Eminence their last two sets, but I think ultimately at the end of the day, Manga, or I think specifically Manga, I think this is what people are going to remember from Panini as their last hurrah.

00:53:35.52
Adz
Prism Black will be.

00:53:42.86
Adz
Wow. Yeah.

00:53:45.78
Russell Gibson
yeah Anyway, fantastic cards.

00:53:49.82
Adz
Very much so.

00:53:49.90
Russell Gibson
I'm sure Topps will rip it off at some point.

00:53:52.48
Adz
Ha! Probably.

00:53:55.60
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's go back to Wemby. Our Alien, the Rookie of the Year. This is a 2023 Tops Now, Victor Wembenyama, Rookie of the Year, Gold 1 of 1 autograph card with the custom ink inscription on of Rookie of the Year.

00:54:14.11
Russell Gibson
It sold for $48,000 via Goldens on the 1st of November, so very, very recently. It sold for $48,000. So let's just comp this out, Ad. We've got the Manga at $43,000. We've got the Yoki at $20,000.

00:54:29.21
Russell Gibson
And then we've got this Wemby card at $48. What do you think is the best buyout of all these?

00:54:36.99
Adz
I think the Wemby. It's one of one, isn't it? It's

00:54:43.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's a wonderful one of one. Yep.

00:54:45.42
Adz
a one of one. I'll take the one of one.

00:54:48.95
Adz
If Wemby works out how everyone's watching Wemby work out at the moment, even though he's as't is not is dropped a little bit over the last couple of games and and and proven to be human, um he is one of the top 10 players in the league very clearly.

00:55:05.45
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:55:06.11
Adz
And if he stays healthy, he's going to overshadow this league quite literally. um So I think the one-of-one Rookie of the Year card wins it in these.

00:55:19.61
Adz
Not to say that the mangas don't go up. But this is a one of one. Is this one to shine material?

00:55:23.49
Russell Gibson
I think i don't think it's Wondershine but i I agree with your take and actually i want to like tack on sort of a hot take onto this do you think that

00:55:27.66
Adz
Okay.

00:55:36.16
Russell Gibson
Wemby rookie cards. So at the moment, Panini is considered to be like the real Wemby rookie cards. But do you think moving forward, actually, Topps is going to be considered the Wemby rookie cards?

00:55:43.55
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:48.27
Russell Gibson
And you know how we had that transition from Jordan Fleer to Jordan Star, and then all that value sort of shifted across?

00:55:51.70
Adz
Oh.

00:55:56.78
Russell Gibson
I think that's going to be my hot take. I actually think now that I'm like the dust is settling a little bit We can already start to see Panini in our review mirror a tiny bit already.

00:56:09.25
Russell Gibson
Topps has taken over, so we're all starting to jump on board and, you know, go down on Topps and all that type of stuff.

00:56:17.13
Russell Gibson
Like, when I look at this now, I don't see this as, like, an unlicensed card. I see it as the writing is written on the card, which is the Rookie of the Year with the inscription on it.

00:56:27.46
Russell Gibson
And then that hideous orange logo is, like, you know, rearing its head again.

00:56:28.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:31.24
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. the The hideous orange logo is going to be thing. Maybe they'll make it go black and white. Maybe they'll gray scale it at some point.

00:56:39.25
Russell Gibson
I wonder if it's one of those things where they are so stubborn about stuff they will just like leave it.

00:56:43.71
Adz
That's just it. That's the they they're going to leave it.

00:56:45.72
Russell Gibson
It's going be their legacy of you know the next 20 years.

00:56:50.20
Russell Gibson
Look, I actually i think you're right. I think that probably is the buy, isn't it?

00:56:54.50
Adz
Yeah. That has to be the buy of the three. um And it's it's purely on the fact that it's a one of one.

00:56:57.68
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:57:02.01
Russell Gibson
All right, let's just do these next two really quickly because there's a one after this I wanted to talk to you about.

00:57:06.15
Adz
Cool.

00:57:06.25
Russell Gibson
Wemby Gold Kaboom, so that it's numbered to 10. BGS 9.5, no idea why the hell you would send this to BGS. It sold for $176,000. Again, via Golden.

00:57:18.30
Adz
Wow.

00:57:18.36
Russell Gibson
again via golden

00:57:21.56
Russell Gibson
look, I think if you've got that much money to spend, that's totally fine. i think that to me is a little bit risky, but at the same time, you know, absolutely what a card.

00:57:29.92
Adz
Maybe they've been listening to us talk about kabooms.

00:57:30.12
Russell Gibson
This next one. Yeah, maybe that's true. Maybe that's true. This next one, I feel completely different about LeBron James Kaboom number to 10 again, 9.5. This sold for $353,000. Adam, where are you at with this one?

00:57:44.91
Russell Gibson
adam where are you at with this one

00:57:48.55
Adz
This is a beautiful card. I wish the LeBron was in a purple or a black uniform. That's all.

00:57:53.93
Russell Gibson
okay

00:57:54.96
Adz
Do know what mean? Like I wish...

00:57:55.48
Russell Gibson
Okay. The black would really reflect in contrast of that gold. Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

00:58:00.06
Adz
Yeah, yeah. All the purple, so it's purple and gold. You know what I mean? Like like having the yellow on yellow is, yeah.

00:58:03.30
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:58:07.40
Adz
Yeah. bit bit Bit unfortunate, but it's ah it's a very pretty card. 350K.

00:58:14.93
Adz
Again, they've gone to BGS. Maybe it's the turnaround times. I don't know.

00:58:19.47
Russell Gibson
I suppose the grading and also the grading costs, like imagine the upcharge on something like that.

00:58:19.52
Adz
Reckon they're trying to get a black label?

00:58:25.84
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:58:25.98
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:58:26.75
Adz
True, true.

00:58:26.87
Russell Gibson
This is what I wanted to talk to you about. This is from the collectibles guru. We've had a bit from the collectibles guru today, so we probably should shout him out a little bit. A hundred thousand dollar bounty has already been placed on the LeBron James tops super factor. One of one autograph too low, too high.

00:58:43.58
Russell Gibson
What do you think?

00:58:48.65
Adz
super factor of brawn.

00:59:00.53
Adz
who Oh, yeah, it's tough.

00:59:02.27
Russell Gibson
I personally, so looking at the cards we've just looked at, for example, the LeBron Kaboom, the Wemby one-of-one rookie card, and to a lesser degree, the Curry Manga sale for 43K, think $100,000 is a good place to start.

00:59:03.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:24.45
Russell Gibson
But I think you'd be able to get more money from it from somewhere else.

00:59:31.64
Adz
This is an autograph. I'm just,

00:59:36.22
Adz
I don't know. Cause LeBron hasn't signed in so long.

00:59:39.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The one that's in the picture is to 10, but the person is putting the bounty on the one of one.

00:59:42.21
Adz
It's hard to gauge.

00:59:45.57
Russell Gibson
Just to quickly clarify that.

00:59:46.57
Adz
Yeah, yeah, To clarify.

00:59:47.26
Russell Gibson
That's the only thing.

00:59:47.81
Adz
But it's the one of one.

00:59:48.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:49.92
Adz
What's the coloring on the one of one? Cause the, the, the gold, the number is going to be gold. Wouldn't it?

00:59:55.20
Russell Gibson
I think it'd be like the Dylan Harper one that we looked at earlier earlier in the show, man.

00:59:58.09
Adz
Okay.

00:59:58.48
Russell Gibson
That sort of that gold super refractor.

00:59:59.83
Adz
Okay.

01:00:03.03
Adz
Yeah, I think 100K bounty on it um

01:00:07.97
Russell Gibson
I think it'll go for more personally.

01:00:08.39
Adz
it. I think the bounty is too low.

01:00:10.65
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, definitely.

01:00:10.98
Adz
um and And I i would set it 150 to 200 bounty. Someone wants to turn that money around quick. That's fine. but That's an investment card. Because this could be LeBron's last season.

01:00:24.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:26.77
Adz
Tough one. And it's an autograph. So yeah, for sure. Too low. Definitely not too high.

01:00:33.97
Russell Gibson
I think we've got time to do two more things today.

01:00:36.31
Adz
Cool. Let's do it.

01:00:37.17
Russell Gibson
So let's do Paula Banchero because I hate this story, but I think it's good to talk about things you hate. And then why don't we do something to close? So I'll let you pick the something to close out of the list.

01:00:48.07
Adz
All right. We're going to Palo first.

01:00:48.98
Russell Gibson
All right. This is from Kirk Goldsberry. This is Kirk Goldsberry's analysis and I respect him a lot. So I think it's good to listen to smart people, right? I'm going to raise the red flag over Paula Bancero Island. This is such a key moment for him.

01:01:03.65
Russell Gibson
And I hesitate to admit this, but at times he reminds me of Josh Smith. So that's the left-handed guy from the Atlanta Hawks. Came out of high school, lots of talent, was a good NBA player, but not fantastic.

01:01:15.22
Russell Gibson
He's made just five of his 27 jump shots this year, and I'm not cherry-picking. I love Paul. He's a huge part of the future of American basketball, but last season, among the 62 most active jump shooters the NBA, he ranked 60th in efficiency.

01:01:29.36
Russell Gibson
He has a jump shooting problem, and is the team's most active scorer. That's an issue. Some of the advanced numbers aren't trading in the right direction, and this start to the season has cemented in my mind he might not be improving at this key phase of his career.

01:01:38.27
Adz
o

01:01:48.11
Russell Gibson
I love it.

01:01:50.72
Adz
I don't love it. oh This is the year that we wanted Banchero to, this is his rocket year.

01:01:57.35
Russell Gibson
But I think sometimes it's good.

01:01:58.58
Adz
It could be accurate.

01:02:00.61
Russell Gibson
ah There's no doubt. Like you can't doubt that man. He's literally a walking encyclopedia of basketball statistics.

01:02:06.98
Adz
Sure. But at the start of last season, and know this is but I'm going to go in a bat for Paolo.

01:02:07.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:15.47
Adz
At the beginning of last season, everyone had Cade Cunningham written off.

01:02:19.61
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, for sure.

01:02:20.66
Adz
And if we're going to talk early season overreactions, they still they still had Cade written off. And there was a point where that that switch flipped and Cade got himself to like an all-star level performer So Paolo, I mean, I'm sure you're an avid listener of the show.

01:02:38.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:44.64
Adz
um Pick your game up, mate, and turn it around.

01:02:48.10
Russell Gibson
That's right.

01:02:48.15
Adz
it's tight It's time to flip the switch.

01:02:51.48
Russell Gibson
I think I've definitely cooled off on him the last like couple of months, but I think that really spells it out in a very vivid sort of description.

01:02:55.16
Adz
For sure. Accentuates, why? Well, it puts a spotlight on it, doesn't it?

01:03:02.08
Russell Gibson
Looking at his sale prices, he last sold for $323. The population on that's sub-1000 at $893. It's not terrible. The growth on that in the last month is minus 17%. I personally think that actually reflects a lot what was just basically said.

01:03:20.90
Russell Gibson
so Look, i think it's too early to give up, but would definitely feel like

01:03:29.55
Russell Gibson
you might be able to save even more money if you're looking to pick up one of these, if you just hold on just a little bit longer. All right, man, what have you got to close?

01:03:37.84
Adz
I thought I'd have some fun to close and write because we don't have a ah Kobe or a Jordan.

01:03:43.92
Russell Gibson
We don't, and I do apologize.

01:03:44.26
Adz
I've also, hot i i I'll do something else to to round it off. But I wanted to bring this story up because I don't know. It's another bad news story. Labubu trading cards have arrived.

01:03:58.50
Russell Gibson
Is this what we're closing the show with?

01:04:00.50
Adz
No, I've got a card for the close, but I just... It's the last little... I want to touch on this and be done with it.

01:04:05.67
Russell Gibson
Sure, do it.

01:04:07.55
Adz
Labubu trading cards have arrived. That's right. Topps Chrome Labubu trading cards are available.

01:04:18.06
Adz
I'm showing everybody that's watching on YouTube the the cards.

01:04:23.20
Adz
I just... i

01:04:26.97
Russell Gibson
So I think the easy question of this is, would you buy it?

01:04:30.35
Adz
ah Hell no.

01:04:31.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:32.51
Adz
I wouldn't. But if you're all right, but say, i don't know, are your children too young for for collecting LaBuboos?

01:04:33.42
Russell Gibson
So

01:04:39.55
Russell Gibson
they know what they are and they've asked me to buy them some and I've told them categorically, no.

01:04:44.20
Adz
Okay. Okay. So if it ah I'm thinking that some of the LaBuboos parents out there that do have ah have dipped their toes in the in the collecting world may invest in a little bit of this so that there are trading cards that they can

01:04:45.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:05:00.41
Adz
sort of draw ah parallel a parallel or bridge with their children.

01:05:04.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's it's a real funny one.

01:05:05.85
Adz
i

01:05:06.34
Russell Gibson
I think the timing on this is bad because from what I know, my very limited knowledge is that the market has dropped off a lot.

01:05:12.76
Adz
it's It's definitely, yeah,

01:05:14.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. And then probably to parallel this really nicely, and so apparently Funko is closing down.

01:05:21.21
Adz
yeah it makes sense. Like, no, you can't, really you can't print everything and have a sustainable business model.

01:05:22.75
Russell Gibson
They can't sustain...

01:05:30.72
Adz
So I think tops have thrown a couple of bucks at this just to to jump on the bandwagon.

01:05:30.81
Russell Gibson
so

01:05:34.78
Adz
And I don't, I don't think they're losing money over it. Like the that is going to impact their, their long-term sales.

01:05:42.17
Russell Gibson
No, we're still going to shut them down.

01:05:42.45
Adz
That's all I can say.

01:05:44.09
Russell Gibson
Look, to be honest with you, i'm I'm not interested in this at all, but actually i think this is good for the hobby because this is how you get...

01:05:50.89
Adz
Well, this might, this might be the remember remember we were talking about at the beginning of the episode, ah the listener question. Very, very, very simple. um from from David asking what was that first hobby memory, that first card.

01:06:06.63
Adz
There'll be kids out there that get a Topps Chrome Labubu and it got them into trading cards.

01:06:13.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Or I was going to say also too, then you need to go and buy them somewhere. So then you have to go down to fast break trading cards. You go in looking for LaBouBou and then you come out with a box of baseball. You come out with a box of basketball at the same time.

01:06:23.76
Adz
Yeah, that true.

01:06:25.10
Russell Gibson
like I kind of feel like that is the...

01:06:27.96
Adz
do do Do you log on to Neon Trading Cards? Are they going to be running Lububu Breaks?

01:06:31.78
Russell Gibson
I asked them if they were doing LaBouBou breaks. They said no. So i I tried to thread in our sponsors in this space, but I couldn't do Neon, unfortunately.

01:06:34.19
Adz
No.

01:06:38.07
Adz
It's all right. We'll have to ask um Ross what what percentage.

01:06:44.55
Russell Gibson
Do you mean Ross at US Sports Cards Australia?

01:06:44.79
Adz
ah That's correct.

01:06:47.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:06:47.27
Adz
We'll have to ask what percentage of the of those cards, those singles for sale are Lububu.

01:06:56.93
Adz
Maybe you can put them with the water pistols.

01:07:00.97
Russell Gibson
That's a low blow, Adam.

01:07:02.26
Adz
Anyway, I've got a card to finish and I figured if we didn't have sort of a goat level card, we'll go back a bit of a bit of a flashback and we'll go to the Splash Brothers.

01:07:04.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:07:14.25
Russell Gibson
This is goat level.

01:07:16.18
Adz
It is goat level given given who they are. It's Steph Curry and Clay Thompson. This is a What is it? Championship tags, dual auto, one of one, sold on alt, um October 16th, 2025, $540,036. reckon that was before shipping fees, or for and to pay a little

01:07:41.36
Russell Gibson
Better be free shipping at that price, honestly.

01:07:43.32
Adz
um i just love the and thirty six dollars al thanks for the very specific data

01:07:49.48
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:07:49.69
Adz
rather than four five hundred and forty k

01:07:54.24
Adz
I like this card.

01:07:55.92
Russell Gibson
Look, how can I say this?

01:07:58.20
Adz
I'm very much about stories and narratives with cards and the Splash Brothers.

01:08:05.44
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:06.17
Russell Gibson
Like a big purchase for me is $540. So I find these cards very difficult. But if I hypothetically had...

01:08:17.29
Russell Gibson
whatever amount of money you need in your bank account to be able to like purchase that as like loose change.

01:08:19.69
Adz
Yeah.

01:08:22.45
Russell Gibson
And my boys were Steph and Clay and you went to the championship games or you know, you were there at the playoffs and that was like your thing. And like, I think having a piece like that would just be, you know, incredible.

01:08:36.41
Russell Gibson
So yeah, whoever bought that, i'm I'm just so happy for you. I really hope that's just like a special piece for you. And, and you know, you just sort of love that to death basically. So yeah.

01:08:44.77
Adz
I like the fact that it's $540,036 because it confirms it wasn't bought by Wondershine.

01:08:52.39
Russell Gibson
Why? How much would they? Oh, because they would pay a round number.

01:08:53.85
Adz
It would just be 550. Yeah. ah yeah

01:08:59.28
Russell Gibson
They're not worried about an extra $10,000, though.

01:08:59.89
Adz
That said, the story behind this card gives me, ah like, ah would you think that something like this would belong at a Wondershine exhibit?

01:09:12.06
Adz
And I think historically, I think there's there's an argument to be made that it is Wondershine worthy.

01:09:19.59
Russell Gibson
I've been to the hall of fame in America and this would be the best piece that will be there. Like that's been a little bit mean actually, but it, and you lock that's right.

01:09:28.79
Adz
But no, but this is history, right? These two, yeah.

01:09:31.00
Russell Gibson
It belongs in that sort of chamber of, yeah.

01:09:33.10
Adz
It's a bit of, it's basketball history. Yeah.

01:09:36.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:09:36.58
Adz
Championship tags too. Anyway.

01:09:38.00
Russell Gibson
all right. On that note, thank you ah to all of our listeners. Thank you to you, Adam. Thank you to our friends in Canada, America, Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand,

01:09:47.35
Adz
Yeah. Everybody that's been and checking us out.

01:09:49.05
Russell Gibson
Central Coast Radio for your support.

01:09:50.96
Adz
Yeah.

01:09:51.45
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:09:51.52
Adz
Everyone's been checking us out on YouTube. All of our, look,

01:09:52.95
Russell Gibson
Socials have been popping lately.

01:09:54.41
Adz
ah loyal loyal listeners on Central Coast Radio and everybody that downloads us on all of the the usual podcast platforms.

01:10:02.12
Russell Gibson
Actually, there is something we can spruik. We now have um the ability for people to purchase...

01:10:09.73
Adz
help about How about, well, support the show, I think would be the, yea yeah, yeah.

01:10:12.28
Russell Gibson
Support the show is a way to say it. Yep. So if you're looking for the link to, if you would like to make ah payment or donation, whichever way you would like to say it, you just click on the podcast body and in the description, it just says support the show. You click on that. It'll take you to a payment link.

01:10:31.23
Russell Gibson
Um,

01:10:31.43
Adz
you can give us little or as much as you, as you deem worthy. um

01:10:35.46
Russell Gibson
The payment is done by Buzzsprout. So if you go to a link other than Buzzsprout, you've probably been hacked. But as long as you're going to Buzzsprout, it will do it.

01:10:45.96
Adz
Yeah.

01:10:47.58
Russell Gibson
You can do Google Pay, Visa card, all that type of stuff. So yeah, we need to work in our sales pitch a little bit better on that, don't we, Ed?

01:10:52.76
Adz
um Yeah.

01:10:56.10
Adz
but It's something we've only just set up bear with us. Uh, And, and yeah yeah, there's no there's no need to to throw us any cash if you don't want to. But, yeah, any any support would be greatly appreciated um and help us produce the content we do every week.

01:11:08.68
Russell Gibson
That's it.

01:11:11.90
Russell Gibson
That's it. And go on some card field benders ad.

01:11:13.75
Adz
Yeah.

01:11:16.35
Adz
Yes, and and and go and ask the hard-hitting questions at card shows. That's it. All right.

01:11:22.33
Russell Gibson
Thanks guys.

01:11:23.30
Adz
Thanks for another great show. We'll see you next week.