Episode 248: The Data Breach That Shook the Hobby, Fanatics Pricing, Fantasy Surprises

In Episode 248, Russell and Adam tackle one of the biggest wake-up calls the hobby has seen — a major data breach affecting collectors, marketplaces, and the way personal information is handled across the industry.

We also break down:

•  Should the Grizzlies keep Ja or their coach?
• Fanatics pricing on Topps Chrome
• Fantasy Surprises this year and hobby pricing. 
• Gamestop banning customers

It’s a serious one — but an important conversation every collector needs to hear.

Transcript

00:00:11.58
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 248 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:24.98
Russell Gibson
Hey, hey, everybody.

00:00:26.58
Adz
Here to talk about all the goings on in the hobby. And I guess this week, where we're going to get stuck relatively quickly into it. We're covering the big news because we're not shying away from it.

00:00:40.18
Adz
but then it's all pretty much, it's all stuff that we, like the the rest of the show will be relatively straightforward, won't it?

00:00:48.65
Russell Gibson
It's so funny. I feel like I talk to people, you know, trying to explain to them that we do a basketball podcast, you know, it's about cards. And I feel like the average response I get is like, how do you find enough stuff to talk about every week?

00:01:02.86
Russell Gibson
But like, this is the classic week of the hobby, isn't it? Where something comes up and like the sheet's completely full.

00:01:07.83
Adz
yeah

00:01:10.02
Russell Gibson
There's no way we're going to get through everything this week. So yeah.

00:01:11.77
Adz
No, no, there'll be carryover topics for sure. And I think there's plenty of organic topics like hobby-wise to talk about. But yeah.

00:01:18.52
Russell Gibson
Beckett's had a data breach. Probstein's had a data breach. We're going to talk about autograph goats. We're going to talk about Fanatics pricing on their Topps Chrome product that's going to be coming out.

00:01:28.41
Adz
got Chrome, yeah.

00:01:28.42
Russell Gibson
We've got our own organic Memphis Grizzlies. We're going to talk about fantasy rises this season. So we're going to talk about who are the people that have surprised us this year. And we might even check in on a couple of their basketball cards.

00:01:41.72
Russell Gibson
I finally finished my complete set of NBA at 75.

00:01:45.82
Russell Gibson
Kobe Logam and Chris Paul retired. Like, Chris Paul retiring is that far down the list.

00:01:48.50
Adz
There's a bunch of stuff out there. Yeah, Chris. Well, we've got the rest of the season to announce that. It's fine.

00:01:55.06
Russell Gibson
True, we can hold that. But at the same time, it'll be good to talk through that. And if we do get time to this, I really want to break this down, actually. it's because the Thunder have the Clippers unprotected pick.

00:02:07.03
Russell Gibson
And so, i think that's going to be a fun one for us to, like, have a bit of a shoe over.

00:02:08.15
Adz
Oof.

00:02:12.06
Adz
Sam Presti's broken the NBA. Okay.

00:02:14.78
Russell Gibson
Literally. It'd kind of cool if they took some pics off them to like...

00:02:20.25
Adz
yeah yep

00:02:21.62
Russell Gibson
Even the...

00:02:24.30
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's start with Beckett. spec to Beckett Collectibles um have not actually released an official statement on this, but it has been confirmed by literally multiple sites at this point.

00:02:35.93
Russell Gibson
And this happened two days ago from the time of recording. 500,000 email addresses have been affected and basically this it's been compromised in terms of names, email addresses, um addresses and also passwords. So it's a pretty significant data breach.

00:02:56.36
Adz
It's huge. Like it's they're claiming like that you've got people's full names, addresses, phone numbers, shipping like shipping and living addresses.

00:03:02.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:05.45
Adz
So the amount of data it there is in is insane.

00:03:05.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:03:09.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And whether this is true or not, it's also saying that it's like famous people have registered on the database. so

00:03:15.47
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:15.86
Russell Gibson
you know, maybe Drake's in there, maybe Jake Paul's in there. So now they've got the details of, you know, these young men.

00:03:21.45
Adz
Post Malone.

00:03:23.24
Russell Gibson
Post Malone. Yeah, maybe. Yep.

00:03:24.79
Adz
Yeah. It's, i don't know, it's one of those, like you understand when a data breach occurs, like the the severity of the sensitive data that people can put together and utilize. Like it's it's terrifying to think about.

00:03:41.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So basically from here, allegedly the data has been sold on, on the dark web. So i think the practical thing, if you are a member and you haven't heard about this somehow, and you're hearing it first with us, I do apologize for this inconvenience for you, but um just change your password and make sure you know it's a complicated password. That's the only real thing you could do at this point in time. There's not much else you can really do about it. um Do we move on to the next Data breach.

00:04:13.34
Adz
Yeah, i mean I mean, there's not much other, with regards to Beckett, like there's not a lot you can, yeah, there's not a lot with regards to a data breach.

00:04:14.52
Russell Gibson
Anything else you want to talk about with that? Yeah.

00:04:23.91
Adz
We all know how serious it is. um It's an interesting one though, because you think about it, if if people in these databases, their addresses, there's like, there's plenty of thieves that could get a hold of this data and then they targeted addresses.

00:04:38.98
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:04:39.67
Adz
Like look up suburbs and or suburbs, it's cities that, that have high density of collectors and you've got a, you've got actually got a shopping spree for, for criminals. It's, it's terrifying anyway.

00:04:49.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. um I think I can say this and i think i I think I can say it in a way that's not endorsing or giving people financial advice.

00:05:00.44
Russell Gibson
But um I went to a barbecue today and i was talking to a guy and he was saying about how his credit card had been compromised recently and like the things he'd been doing around that.

00:05:06.84
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:08.14
Russell Gibson
And I've had that very unfortunate, like, it you know, it happens and it's it's happened to me. um so I, when I went away on holidays, because I suspect that that's where my data got breached was when I was away on holidays.

00:05:20.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:05:21.11
Russell Gibson
um I signed up for this particular financial institution. I'm not going to say the name of it because that's not important, but what they offer you is they offer you a physical card, but also a digital card. And that digital card, you can discard each day.

00:05:31.55
Adz
Wow.

00:05:32.79
Russell Gibson
So if you're using it in a place or,

00:05:35.19
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:35.45
Russell Gibson
you know, onto a service that you think like might not be that fantastic. So I feel like when I hear about stuff like this, it's more makes me think of how actually valuable that having that credit card is. So you can just like, okay, you've had a data breach, you know, get rid of your credit card.

00:05:48.90
Russell Gibson
that's It's as simple as that and sort of move on to the next one.

00:05:49.52
Adz
Uh huh.

00:05:51.06
Russell Gibson
So

00:05:52.14
Adz
That is crazy.

00:05:52.38
Russell Gibson
It's so, yeah, this, don't think this article is actually saying this is from valueaddedresource.net that you can um put on the multi-factor authentication. I think that's a cookie cutter copy and paste email because you can't do that on Beckett.

00:06:06.29
Russell Gibson
I'm almost certain of that. They don't, they don't have that baked into their stuff yet.

00:06:08.25
Adz
Yeah, I mean, two factor authentication is is is definitely something that's being introduced globally to to many platforms to to protect from this stuff.

00:06:16.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:17.67
Adz
But yeah,

00:06:18.34
Russell Gibson
I'm a convert of that, to be honest. I actually think it's a really like, anyway. right, let's move on.

00:06:21.62
Adz
It's important.

00:06:22.18
Russell Gibson
This is getting boring at this point, isn't it?

00:06:22.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:06:24.10
Russell Gibson
Let's talk about the good stuff. So Probstein, they've also been compromised. And um it's really interesting the way this Probstein stuff's been reported because what people are focused on is that they've compromised the website.

00:06:36.32
Russell Gibson
They've obviously hacked the database and they've exported all the data out.

00:06:39.98
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:06:40.09
Russell Gibson
And I was talking to my mate about this because I didn't properly understand it, but basically how they got through is through the API and the API is built into the website so that legitimate sites can access that information.

00:06:52.66
Russell Gibson
But what they didn't do was close the, like the door on the part that would sort of give them access to the rest of the webpage.

00:06:55.45
Adz
was yeah.

00:06:58.58
Russell Gibson
So apparently.

00:06:59.26
Adz
To explain that to explain that that API stuff that is that's, that's how sorry, our friends at 130 point lane, that's how they access all that data and things like that.

00:07:06.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

00:07:09.12
Adz
Correct for the sale completed listings and things.

00:07:09.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, and again, I don't really understand this, but again, my buddy who does will explain it to me, he's basically saying like, there had multiple doors that you could walk through. Three of them should have been left unlocked with no keys. And one of them should have been locked with a deadbolt, but they didn't be bothered to lock that one. So essentially they've built this new website, but it's not to put the security onto it.

00:07:31.80
Adz
And this is the this is the new Probstein um driven snipe.

00:07:32.09
Russell Gibson
Um,

00:07:35.66
Russell Gibson
Snipe webpage.

00:07:36.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:07:37.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So he's left the eBay platform, gone to build his own platform so he can compete with the likes of Fanatics and Goldens and Heritage, all that type of stuff.

00:07:45.27
Adz
Excellent. he's lift the keys He's left the keys open.

00:07:46.01
Russell Gibson
and Allegedly, it was yeah it was very well received at the start.

00:07:47.71
Adz
Yeah,

00:07:50.14
Russell Gibson
He put very appealing and very low commissions onto the site. So that's what was attracting people to come across to it.

00:07:55.77
Adz
and yeah yeah

00:07:58.23
Russell Gibson
um all that data is now being put onto the the dark web. and And I think at this point, this is where we just put the huge asterisk onto it and say, this is all just alleged at this point.

00:08:06.65
Adz
Yeah, we haven't got the confirmations.

00:08:07.03
Russell Gibson
um But they were saying, allegedly, there's an account on there that's put on 11,277 bids. When you trace that back, it it's somehow traced back to Probstine, which I think, i this is why I'm saying allegedly too, because I feel like this is kind of one of those crimes. It's like,

00:08:23.99
Russell Gibson
if he did create an account, would he actually be doing it? Wouldn't he have like an employee to do it? or You know, something like that.

00:08:29.88
Adz
someone does a...

00:08:30.72
Russell Gibson
Like I kind of find sometimes this stuff, like, you know, it's very convenient, this information, but it's also like, is it actually believable?

00:08:35.51
Adz
ah ma ma

00:08:37.17
Russell Gibson
You know?

00:08:37.43
Adz
but maybe Maybe it's a customer service feature.

00:08:40.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure. Right. Yeah. Look, I'll let you reply to this. Cause I've, I've had ah like a lot to say so far and then I'll sort of put my two cents in after that. I think.

00:08:48.22
Adz
Look, um another data breach.

00:08:48.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:50.54
Adz
it The fact that it's incriminating evidence takes one of my conspiracy theories out. You know how like,

00:08:58.12
Russell Gibson
What's your conspiracy theory?

00:08:59.38
Adz
Well, I was going to say maybe maybe they just wanted to sell the data themselves. So they talked about a leak and now they can distribute the data as they see fit.

00:09:09.53
Russell Gibson
um Okay. I mean, that's a wild conspiracy theory, but okay.

00:09:12.92
Adz
Why not? Why not? you can go to You can go to big auction houses with with with um information and say you acquired it through other means.

00:09:21.78
Russell Gibson
I mean, you would generally want to keep your customers, not piss them off.

00:09:25.66
Adz
True, true, but... I don't know.

00:09:27.83
Russell Gibson
Anyway, that's fine.

00:09:28.33
Adz
that is it it is a it is it it's a pretty

00:09:28.53
Russell Gibson
That's a cool conspiracy theory. I didn't think of it.

00:09:31.62
Adz
It's a crazy world we're living in right now. But the the um the shilling stuff is, I mean, everyone knew it's been happening anyway, really.

00:09:33.85
Russell Gibson
It is a crazy world.

00:09:39.32
Russell Gibson
I was going to say, this is like the so interesting thing to me. It's like, why aren't people talking about the data breach? Oh, they're talking about him shilling, which we already effing knew that. Like, this is not news.

00:09:47.58
Adz
We know the guy, the guy is written that's what he's renowned for is shilling.

00:09:51.19
Russell Gibson
he He literally invented shilling and made a ah business out of it.

00:09:51.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:55.51
Russell Gibson
And everyone now, and by the way, everyone and every single auction house copies his behavior, by the way.

00:09:55.72
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:00.98
Adz
Yeah, we yeah, yeah.

00:10:02.82
Russell Gibson
I'm not kind i'm not condoning this, but this is now like, this is the world we live in.

00:10:02.90
Adz
It's common practice. We're not condoning it here.

00:10:07.26
Russell Gibson
So why people so outraged?

00:10:07.27
Adz
We've gone from a world where people put reserves on cards to the point where they're like, oh, in order to save a couple of cents on insertion fees and whatever, we're going to shill the auction.

00:10:15.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:17.15
Adz
You're like, whatever.

00:10:17.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:10:18.88
Adz
It's ridiculous. But I agree with your your point where why is everyone focused on the shill stuff?

00:10:25.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:26.97
Adz
Like there's a bunch of data that's just been hacked and leaked.

00:10:30.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I personally think that's the bigger issue. And I i mean, personally, as a if I was a customer, which I'm not of them, I just feel like that to me is the bigger and the more important part of this story. But um I think at this point too, we just sort of just quickly go back and just touch on the alleged issues that Probstein has had in the past.

00:10:53.89
Russell Gibson
So there was actually a class action lawsuit taken against him in 2020, along with PSA, PWCC, and essentially what the class action was about was them, yeah, incorrectly or inappropriately inflating the final listing prices of cards that were on their platforms.

00:10:57.62
Adz
Yep.

00:11:14.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:14.49
Russell Gibson
um The suit alleges misrepresentation, consumer fraud, racketeering, um breach of warranting, and more. and And I actually spent a fair bit of time trying to find the outcome of this, but I couldn't find anything like that was, you know, factual about it, which makes me think that they allegedly um settled out of court on this one.

00:11:26.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:34.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:36.50
Russell Gibson
So as much as, you know, we sort of say that, and maybe this is why it's actually so important. So just like taking this full circle now. So maybe we actually do have evidence that, that he does have practices of shilling because technically he's not ever been prosecuted. he's He's never, he's never been brought in front of a court of law. There's no evidence that he's ever settled with anyone.

00:11:59.96
Russell Gibson
So maybe this is the smoking gun that people are, you know, trying to get their hands on for that.

00:12:03.99
Adz
Yeah, this might be the actual, the the grounds to to move forward. Yeah.

00:12:09.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:09.66
Adz
Yeah, that makes sense.

00:12:11.45
Russell Gibson
Before I put on my tinfoil hat, did you want to say anything else about this?

00:12:15.93
Adz
No, I'm looking forward. I think I'm sure there'll be conspiracies out there. I know that, I don't know, I think in this day and age, I think it's really important that we're protecting our data and um knowledge is power. so So this kind of data getting out there, there's so much ah you can take from from this. So if you've got open access to people's bidding histories, trading, their users, like you can actually target marketing to these people.

00:12:44.22
Adz
You know what kind of cards they collect. There's a lot of stuff.

00:12:47.38
Russell Gibson
I actually agree with that. I think that data is very valuable. Yeah.

00:12:50.68
Adz
yeah Yeah. Can you imagine someone like Golden?

00:12:53.69
Russell Gibson
Someone one will buy that.

00:12:55.04
Adz
semi Golden. Golden Auctions. i another Another auction house. Here's a list of all the all the people that are prepared to...

00:13:01.65
Russell Gibson
I mean, Dr. Evil at the moment is fanatics, right?

00:13:02.91
Adz
move

00:13:05.29
Adz
Fanatics collect.

00:13:06.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%.

00:13:06.68
Adz
Yeah, fair.

00:13:07.12
Russell Gibson
I

00:13:08.09
Adz
Yep.

00:13:10.84
Adz
Maybe, maybe it's a, maybe it's a props team play to get in bed with Fanatics by selling the data. They did their own, orchestrated their own data breach and now he's going to sell the data.

00:13:21.30
Russell Gibson
i don't know, man.

00:13:22.46
Adz
Well, he already knows he's shilling, so it's not like anyone cares about the evidence there. See, we go.

00:13:27.11
Russell Gibson
All right, I got my tinfoil hat on. So my thing about this is I actually wonder if someone's targeting these companies. Because for me, this is like two hacks in very close succession.

00:13:36.18
Adz
Yeah, 100%.

00:13:37.50
Russell Gibson
So for me, I'm like, who would most benefit from these two hacks happening in the same week? For me, it's obvious it's the remaining auction houses that are still around. I think eBay is too big to even like care about all this stuff.

00:13:52.22
Russell Gibson
So that, for me, limits it down to Heritage, Goldens, and Fanatics. And ah and again, I'm going to call them the Dr. Evil of the of the hobby at the moment. So I'm going to allegedly, or so I'm going to suggest that Fanatics is behind these two hacks.

00:14:08.60
Adz
Wow.

00:14:11.77
Russell Gibson
I don't even feel bad about saying it, to be honest.

00:14:14.02
Adz
We're going to get cancelled. We're to have to do a show on Panini cards only at this rate.

00:14:15.62
Russell Gibson
Nah. Can we get cancelled?

00:14:18.87
Adz
I don't know. But it's an that's an interesting theory.

00:14:22.55
Russell Gibson
Just my tinfoil hat theory.

00:14:23.66
Adz
It's not what not. It's not what not.

00:14:28.56
Russell Gibson
Nah, they're a different platform, man. They're not really an auction house.

00:14:31.00
Adz
can you but Can you imagine the marketing to these people explicitly to try and get them into their platform? As I said, this data is way too valuable.

00:14:39.89
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:14:40.66
Adz
It can be repurposed and and and used for targeted marketing, a bunch of other stuff.

00:14:45.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Really quickly. This is from Oivin Holland on NBA Card Market Australia. Who is your autographed goat? He's put up Kelly Tripitaka, who has an absolutely fantastic.

00:14:57.98
Russell Gibson
I'm pretty sure you know which one I'm going to say straight away. For me, it's Admiral Schofield.

00:15:01.21
Adz
Emerald Schofield.

00:15:02.40
Russell Gibson
Kareem is also one of my favorites. And Ash Peters put one i'm up here of Ronaldo Blackman. that's I would say that's my top three. Where are you at, man? What have you got?

00:15:11.61
Adz
Me? I do like me a Kareem.

00:15:15.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:16.06
Adz
And I do like ah Magic Johnson.

00:15:19.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Magix is pretty good.

00:15:21.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:22.60
Russell Gibson
There's a couple more here.

00:15:22.79
Adz
I like...

00:15:23.32
Russell Gibson
in the Sorry, after you, man.

00:15:23.57
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, no, they're they're they're the ones that like the nice... long script ones, I guess.

00:15:30.65
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:31.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:32.43
Russell Gibson
Kenny Skywalker is another good one that was put up by Lucas Gallen. Jamie Wyatt put up Louis Dampier. The funny thing for me about Louis Dampier is like, I'd never heard of this dude before. And when I saw it come out of a break, i actually went back and like did a bit of a deep dive into him.

00:15:44.31
Adz
Yeah. yeah

00:15:45.79
Russell Gibson
He should not be in any products. That's just my two cents on that. Damo Winterbond. G'day Damo. ah Rick Fox. He's put up him, which is, it's a pretty nice autograph.

00:15:55.42
Adz
Do you know,

00:15:55.46
Russell Gibson
It's arty.

00:15:57.09
Adz
artsy. I like that. I was gonna say, do you know, do you know, given because we had dinner the other night, I'm going to make my criticism.

00:15:58.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:03.72
Adz
Clyde Drexler. I don't like the autograph. It looks like Clyde Dreffler.

00:16:09.42
Adz
There's no x, it's an f. It looks really weird. Just flashing back to that to that.

00:16:14.07
Russell Gibson
Come on. Come on, Clyde. Get your act together, mate.

00:16:16.73
Adz
Come on.

00:16:17.21
Russell Gibson
um We should probably do that another time. What's our worst autographs of all time?

00:16:21.11
Adz
Worst autos.

00:16:21.41
Russell Gibson
All

00:16:21.87
Adz
Yeah. Okay. Okay.

00:16:24.38
Russell Gibson
all right, let's go to a break. And when we come back, we're going to talk some fanatics pricing. Or should I say Dr.

00:16:30.75
Adz
Oh.

00:16:31.44
Russell Gibson
Evil pricing?

00:16:33.88
Adz
Dr.

00:16:33.88
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:16:34.01
Adz
Evil.

00:16:36.29
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Thank you, Neon Trading Cards, for your ongoing support and sponsorship of our show. Go to neontradingcards.com. There you'll find a whole host of breaks.

00:16:49.50
Russell Gibson
We asked the lads about Topps Chrome in terms of the pricing. They said, unfortunately, they don't have any information for that that at the moment. However, as soon as the shipping has been confirmed,

00:16:57.71
Adz
Mm.

00:17:01.99
Russell Gibson
They're going to be releasing the breaks onto their website, so keep an eye out for those. They've got a huge amount of Topps releases that are being headlined before Christmastime. NBA Chrome, MLB Chrome Update with the MLB debut patch autographs in it, UEFA Merlin Chrome, F1 Chrome, Neon will be breaking cases of all of these.

00:17:24.79
Russell Gibson
as they are the authorized top supplier and breaker in Australia. In addition to that, there are many other releases that we haven't mentioned. However, do keep an out eye out for them because you can buy them from neontradingcards.com and use them as stocking stuffers to make sure that all of your husbands, friends, wives, children have got full stockings when St. Nick comes. Thank you so much to Neon Trading Cards for your ongoing support.

00:17:56.50
Russell Gibson
Adam, how you doing, buddy?

00:17:58.67
Adz
I'm good, we're back.

00:18:00.10
Russell Gibson
We're back.

00:18:01.49
Adz
what's What's next on the docket? What are we gonna talk about?

00:18:06.22
Russell Gibson
All right, I think we need to talk about Fanatic's website and the pricing of Chrome. I went on there to have a look at it to see what it was going to cost me. Hobby and Jumbo are both sold out, so that's done and dusted.

00:18:18.55
Russell Gibson
If you now want to purchase some of it, you now need to go to resellers.com. which as we know is a little bit of a problem because you can often be hijacked on that. What they are currently selling is hangers for 20 USD, megas for 85 USD and blasters for 50 USD.

00:18:28.57
Adz
Yeah, 100%.

00:18:37.53
Russell Gibson
So I actually thought

00:18:42.10
Russell Gibson
we don't know the price of hobby and jumbo at the moment, right? But what we do know is the prices for blasters. So why don't we sort of build our conversation around that? Because

00:18:54.61
Russell Gibson
I think traditionally Panini never had any blasters for that price ever. So correct me if i I'm wrong about that, right?

00:19:01.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:03.80
Russell Gibson
And what I'm referring to by that is when they're selling them at retail places that you could get your hands on them. So I'm not talking about resale afterwards.

00:19:14.14
Russell Gibson
Like we all know that that was inflated. And then for our Aussie friends back home, they have to pay for, you know, duties and international shipping.

00:19:20.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

00:19:21.12
Russell Gibson
So taking taking all that stuff out of it. But I can categorically say i was in America recently. I bought blasters for 25 and 30 USD.

00:19:31.46
Russell Gibson
That was the two highest prices I paid. And you can obviously get them for less than that. So, you know, I think, I think there's three things to be like discussed about this.

00:19:35.22
Adz
Yeah.

00:19:40.86
Russell Gibson
i think that fanatics paid a huge amount of money for the licenses. So I think this could be the new normal where this the the baseline has you know risen. The second thing is distribution is like is a massive problem, even though that they want to be the the the producer and also the distributor. So, for example, what I mean by that, if you go to an unnamed Australian um huge player in the market, you go onto their website. I'm not going to name their name because they don't sponsor us.

00:20:12.02
Russell Gibson
but they have still got flagship as a pre-order. They they haven't got it delivered yet to get into customers' hands. So we're moving on to the second product already and they haven't even got delivery on on the first product, right?

00:20:24.12
Adz
of the first either that or the website's just like it's on back order a bit yeah the the supply that the supply stuff with this is terrible yeah

00:20:29.85
Russell Gibson
whatever it is, like,

00:20:33.02
Russell Gibson
I feel like in my opinion, the supply chain is been interrupted, right? And I personally am putting that down to Fnatic's model. And I personally think this is what they want.

00:20:41.02
Adz
yeah

00:20:42.29
Russell Gibson
They want all of it to come through them, but this is like the ripple effect they're already seeing. So it's already sold out on the website. Now it's just going to be, you know, at reseller's price. I also think too, like that price is high.

00:20:54.58
Russell Gibson
And I personally think they're doing that that on purpose because they know if they put it lower, then the middleman is going to make more money.

00:21:00.31
Adz
And everyone will make their correct, correct.

00:21:01.88
Russell Gibson
Right.

00:21:02.35
Adz
So they want to make money out of it.

00:21:02.46
Russell Gibson
And they want they also want to be the middleman on it too.

00:21:03.99
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:06.22
Russell Gibson
So i personally think that's done deliberately so that the next person in the chain isn't going to make as much money. So I'm a little bit interested to see what happens in that space because like how do people price this on the flip market do they do it on 50% on 20%?

00:21:23.32
Adz
They mark it up though. But that's the, that's the thing in, in, ah in in

00:21:24.66
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I mean? I'd like, so is it is it just going to make everything more expensive down the line? That's where I'm sort of in a long winded way.

00:21:29.91
Adz
that's But that's exactly right, right? like there Fanatics think they've they've cut an element out by being the middle got middleman. No.

00:21:39.82
Russell Gibson
It was in the manifesto, right?

00:21:40.63
Adz
they jet Yeah, but they've changed they've just changed the the pricing point because regardless when the Panini product was there, if you got blasters in, the flippers would just buy them at whatever the retail is and then and they would flip them at a markup.

00:21:41.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:53.14
Russell Gibson
100%. they flip them out. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:56.79
Adz
So all that's going to happen is the flippers are going to pay the inflated price from from Fanatics and put their markup on. Like it just sets the the bar higher.

00:22:09.51
Adz
there's no

00:22:09.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:10.84
Adz
There's no rescaling of like the money distribution. The money distribution remains the same equation. The consumers are the ones that just pay more.

00:22:21.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.

00:22:22.97
Adz
and And I think that's that's not good for the hobby long term.

00:22:27.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I'm not too sure how this plays out. so i think we just have to wait and see on it and And maybe also, too, their banking on this product is being so coveted and so highly anticipated that they know they can price it for more inaudible sales.

00:22:41.43
Russell Gibson
So just going...

00:22:42.26
Adz
well, flagship flagship is Hoops, right? Sorry, Hoops.

00:22:45.53
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, hoops on Don Rust. That was the general consensus. Yeah.

00:22:49.27
Adz
the The baseline, right? Like we're we're using flagship as your Donruss and Hoops release.

00:22:51.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:22:55.64
Adz
So obviously Chrome is Prism when you're hitting the parallels, right?

00:22:55.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:01.34
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:23:02.71
Adz
So this is literally the equivalent of getting Prism by the end of the year, hopefully.

00:23:08.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:09.20
Adz
Or start of next year, end of this year. Like it's, out quicker than bloody Panini's ever done it. um but but But it is, they're trying to get that parallel. So they they're going to say, well, look at historically what Prism did and sold for. So we're going to make it that price point.

00:23:27.54
Adz
But then the flippers are going to add even more to it and send it through the roof.

00:23:27.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:31.19
Russell Gibson
Maybe that's what they did do, man. Maybe they saw what the after sale market was on prism and that's what they priced it on.

00:23:36.63
Adz
And that's where they've priced it at.

00:23:37.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:38.17
Adz
Because the other thing with the supply demand industry like any so anything supply demand, it's very much based on what the customer and the consumers are prepared to pay.

00:23:45.06
Russell Gibson
That's a good take, man. Yeah.

00:23:52.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. And there's evidence of that.

00:23:53.21
Adz
And there's a demonstrated history of people paying that.

00:23:55.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:23:57.24
Adz
So unless, and this is, it's hard to give advice in the hobby like this, but the only way this changes, if if the consumers speak with their wallets and and you and don't buy the product, correct.

00:23:57.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:06.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, no one buys They'll adjust the price 100%.

00:24:11.50
Russell Gibson
just going back full circle to Australian prices.

00:24:13.71
Adz
Yep.

00:24:14.85
Russell Gibson
So Neon, Fastbreak, an unnamed major player in Australia have no information on pricing on Chrome at all.

00:24:22.90
Adz
There is nothing locally available in Australia yet.

00:24:24.38
Russell Gibson
Fast Break, we reached out to Fast Break and Neon. Fast Break just said at the moment they got nothing.

00:24:30.15
Adz
Yep.

00:24:30.93
Russell Gibson
Neon said same thing. They got nothing at the moment. However, they did say, interestingly, it's going to be disgustingly priced, unfortunately. So I think we need to sort of hold on to our chairs with that.

00:24:40.60
Adz
but I think that's based on the information that we've we've already got, right?

00:24:40.76
Russell Gibson
Dave and Adams.

00:24:45.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but I ah i personally, i mean, the way that I look at those boys, they are collectors themselves too. So I think like,

00:24:51.74
Adz
yeah. Yeah.

00:24:53.82
Russell Gibson
I mean, the way I would look at that is for me, a nice price on a hobby box of Prism will be like a thousand Aussie. So if it's – I'm assuming it just means it's going be more than that. That's the way I would interpret that.

00:25:05.37
Russell Gibson
But um' that's completely my own take on that.

00:25:07.82
Adz
Speculation, yeah.

00:25:08.63
Russell Gibson
Dave and Adams have got Blasters for $54, so that's $4 more than Tops, and Megas for $95, so that's $10 more than Tops were selling them for. So that's – yeah, that's about the same.

00:25:17.59
Adz
Not a huge markup.

00:25:20.89
Russell Gibson
it's you know But you know I think I've actually – Maybe one of the bigger winners out of all this is going to be David Adams, someone like that who's got that huge you know catchment of resale.

00:25:28.98
Adz
Probably, yeah.

00:25:32.57
Adz
Yep.

00:25:33.40
Russell Gibson
Mike Gio and Boston Card Hunter, they were early on this. So they they did this probably two or three days ago. Now, there basically, their take was they were showing eBay listings that were the asking prices, and all of the asking prices were $1,000 plus.

00:25:41.05
Adz
Mm.

00:25:50.78
Adz
Yeah.

00:25:50.87
Russell Gibson
i I personally, I don't agree with that take, just pure and simple, because... We all know with eBay, everybody asks for at least double or triple what the actual card is worth. So it's no different when it comes to sealed.

00:26:04.70
Russell Gibson
I think what we really need to see on eBay is the sold pricing.

00:26:04.82
Adz
Yeah. Hmm.

00:26:08.10
Russell Gibson
So at the moment, I could only find one box that was sold and that was sold for 514 USD. And that's a pre-order. So that means that the person has to pay for it now, wait for that person's fulfillment to get done, and then they're going to post it out. But I personally think that's a better comp than what the asking prices are, if that makes sense.

00:26:35.17
Adz
Yeah, that makes sense.

00:26:36.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah um I don't actually think there's much more we can glean from eBay because a lot of the eBay...

00:26:48.56
Adz
it's all speculative stuff, is it isn't it?

00:26:50.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but ah also a lot of the prices after that are just break prices. I could only find one from Hobby Boxes. So yeah, that's what I sort of think about that. What's your closing thoughts on this before we move on and do the Memphis Grizzlies?

00:26:59.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:03.03
Adz
I think ah Honestly, I think this this Chrome release is going to set the new normal for what our what our what the equivalent of Prism release.

00:27:09.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:12.70
Adz
And, yeah, obviously we're living in this whole this is the first iteration of what the world under Fanatics looks like, but I think this is what pri the Prism release will look like.

00:27:23.96
Adz
you know like This is the equivalent thereof. So Topps Chrome, we're about to find out what the baseline and the new normal is for this product. Unless there's a tanking draft class, Expect prices to be up.

00:27:36.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I mean... I'll say this, and I think this is a very negative way to look at the hobby. And if I do get flack on this, I'll take it. But I would actually like them to see one product that's printed on demand.

00:27:49.78
Russell Gibson
So...

00:27:50.01
Adz
I still feel i will not print it on demand, but they're doing though.

00:27:52.63
Russell Gibson
No, no.

00:27:52.97
Adz
The the tops now stuff.

00:27:52.99
Russell Gibson
So, like hobbies and jump like, Hobbies and Jumbo have got all the numbered stuff in it. like And that's, like, limited to a million boxes.

00:27:57.67
Adz
Hmm.

00:28:00.93
Russell Gibson
Whatever they make, right? But then at any time, you can go onto the Fanatics website and you can buy a Mega for $85.

00:28:09.40
Adz
ya it Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:10.28
Russell Gibson
And they literally print those out on demand. You know, maybe one in every 20...

00:28:13.67
Adz
Junk wax style.

00:28:14.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. And you know that. like there's There's no lies about it. There's no ultra-rare this and that. These are just basketball cards. If you want to rip a box, you can get one for $85. Maybe one in every 20 boxes has got an autograph.

00:28:27.46
Russell Gibson
You know, something like that.

00:28:27.96
Adz
yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:28.52
Russell Gibson
Right.

00:28:29.08
Adz
I would almost do that with the unnumbered parallels and just call it like um top starburst or something.

00:28:29.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:34.94
Adz
And then what you're doing is you're getting all these different colors and it's just random color...

00:28:35.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:39.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:40.12
Adz
There's no quantity known and and kids get inserts.

00:28:40.41
Russell Gibson
Because...

00:28:43.36
Adz
so So that that product is available.

00:28:45.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's what I mean. But that's also my takeaway too from my time with Panini. It was like, i really feel like the worst thing that happened for them was everything sold out because that's what really made prices go crazy.

00:28:56.50
Adz
That killed it.

00:28:57.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:57.37
Adz
Yeah. And it was ah was the aftermarket.

00:28:58.26
Russell Gibson
So having something available for people to rip, I actually think

00:28:59.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:03.10
Russell Gibson
is a good thing. And look, guys, if you're out there listening and you disagree with this, please let me know and like, you know, send us a message, you know we'll, we'll fire this back on next week's show because I'm sort of of the opinion that actually keeps the hobby like accessible for everybody.

00:29:08.79
Adz
an interesting discussion, yeah.

00:29:16.90
Russell Gibson
And then people can still get their hobby and all that numbered and short printed stuff. Yeah. All right, let's do this really quickly.

00:29:25.24
Russell Gibson
My Memphis Grizzlies take is this fire the coach fire Tomas. Immediately hire Tom Thibodeau.

00:29:35.48
Adz
ah like it I like it. It's a very calculated move.

00:29:38.81
Russell Gibson
Bring back the Grizzlies grit and grind, run everything through Ja Moran and implement all of the Derrick Rose Chicago Bulls dribble drive, penetrate and kick sets that they put in for him.

00:29:54.07
Russell Gibson
Play Ja Morant 40, 42 minutes a game. Maybe he's MVP next season. Maybe his legs fall off and then we never see him again. But I honestly, I feel like this Memphis Grizzlies thing at the moment, it's just like a slow train wreck that we're just driving past and just like watching all the carriages burn at this point, man.

00:30:14.14
Russell Gibson
I just feel like...

00:30:14.28
Adz
But it's a train wreck that's down the bottom of the standings. No one cares about it.

00:30:19.10
Russell Gibson
I...

00:30:19.34
Adz
Jar Morant is delusional.

00:30:20.79
Russell Gibson
I care. I care, actually. i And I also, i feel like the ownership is going to side with the coach and they're going to scapegoat this kid.

00:30:31.89
Adz
reckon Jar's going to get moved somewhere that he's going to actually have an impact.

00:30:32.01
Russell Gibson
I

00:30:36.81
Adz
the Grizzlies going to suffer for ages.

00:30:38.52
Russell Gibson
i just don't think you bet on a coach instead of like a potentially star player, though. And that's why I say just go all in on Jar. Get that coach. He's available.

00:30:48.56
Adz
You're right.

00:30:51.02
Adz
Thibodeau. Do it. I like it.

00:30:52.66
Russell Gibson
anyway

00:30:53.75
Adz
You know, Jar's still holding firm through all this. I say holding firm. He's fluctuating between. all right. Now he's dropped a little bit recently. He's down 10% over the last six months. So I don't know. As long he's there between two and 300 bucks.

00:31:08.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:08.57
Adz
and might be some value in Jar if he gets moved. if they If they do what you've suggested, maybe he does go up again. Maybe he's MVP level Jar Moran again.

00:31:18.65
Russell Gibson
Maybe.

00:31:19.74
Adz
Who knows?



00:32:22.20
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back.

00:32:24.28
Adz
We certainly are.

00:32:25.74
Russell Gibson
We're going to talk some fantasy basketball. Actually, before we go on to the actual topic, I'm going to just have a bit of casual chit-chat with you. Who is your best fantasy player so far in your team this year?

00:32:39.51
Adz
my Well, my my first pick was Carl Anthony Towns.

00:32:44.47
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:32:45.02
Adz
And my second pick, so I picked tenth in the draft in mine at a 12th player league, like 12 participants.

00:32:51.70
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:32:53.14
Adz
So I had I think it was 14th or 15th pick. So I took Josh Giddy with my second pick.

00:32:58.23
Russell Gibson
Not terrible.

00:32:58.52
Adz
And I think Giddy's been really good as has Kat to start the season.

00:33:05.85
Russell Gibson
Currently Giddy is 10th in my league overall. So you've done very well for that.

00:33:09.75
Adz
Very nice.

00:33:13.08
Russell Gibson
You'll actually, you'll like this. Technically the best fantasy player in my team at the moment is Austin Reeves.

00:33:20.15
Adz
Nice.

00:33:21.59
Russell Gibson
but sorry I was not expecting that. I've also got Donovan Mitchell and I've got Scotty Barnes. So I'm not doing too badly this year. They're doing pretty good. ah In saying that, my league is insanely competitive at the moment.

00:33:33.03
Russell Gibson
So I'm getting my ass kicked most weeks, frankly. So anyway, what I did want to talk to you about this week was keeping fantasy in mind in overall, so not just in your team, in the league, who are your biggest surprises from this year?

00:33:51.38
Adz
I mean, my my biggest one would have been Tyrese Maxey.

00:33:54.71
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:33:55.67
Adz
that that Like, he was on my radar. he was It was him or Giddy.

00:33:59.08
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:33:59.19
Adz
And I thought I had a good pick in Giddy, and I do. I've got faith in Josh Giddy.

00:34:02.70
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:34:03.51
Adz
But I think maybe I could have, I should have picked um someone different.

00:34:08.32
Russell Gibson
Maxie was mine too. So I think what I was planning to do with you, mate, let's just, we'll pick out a couple of guys and we'll go through their prices on card ladder and just sort of see where they're at. Because I feel like also for me, like video games, fantasy, that also influences like the way I collect cards.

00:34:17.02
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:34:23.20
Russell Gibson
so

00:34:24.14
Adz
yay Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah.

00:34:24.92
Russell Gibson
I sort of love to like tie all this in. So looking at Maxie the last three months, he's up 81%. So he started at sub 200. The peak this season, he was up to 425.

00:34:36.86
Adz
oh wow

00:34:37.82
Russell Gibson
So i think my thing about Maxi where I had some reservations, it was like, I didn't really see where he fit into the pecking order of Philadelphia.

00:34:47.35
Adz
yeah

00:34:47.93
Russell Gibson
I always felt that he was behind Embiid and you know rightly so, like Embiid's been the MVP. And I so was like, how much money do you really want to set spend on a second stringer? And his pricing has been up to the 200th before. It's not the first time it's done this, but I was sort of joking with you about this a couple of weeks ago.

00:35:06.58
Russell Gibson
When are they going to get rid of Embiid and Paul George and just build around Maxi and Edgecombe?

00:35:12.15
Adz
I think I think that's a smart move though.

00:35:14.99
Russell Gibson
He's an absolute beast at the moment. and At $335,000, mean, I'd rather have bought that at $200,000, but actually I think this is a good buy.

00:35:17.35
Adz
He's killing it. He's actually killing it.

00:35:25.24
Russell Gibson
And moving forward into the future, i quite like this.

00:35:25.40
Adz
yeah

00:35:27.28
Russell Gibson
Pop on this $596,000. Are you buy, hold, or selling that that much?

00:35:35.62
Adz
It's a tough one. I think I'm... um

00:35:42.97
Adz
I think he's still a buy.

00:35:45.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:46.39
Adz
I think Maxie is one of those... it could be one of those 500-plus players.

00:35:51.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:52.47
Adz
I mean, it's obviously dependent on how well Philly go because if things blow up, but he's the guy there.

00:35:58.45
Russell Gibson
No.

00:35:58.90
Adz
No one's overshadowing him. So maybe he is. Maybe I think there's still room to to grow with Maxie. um Obviously, he's not a ah bargain basement price now because of the the spike, but

00:36:08.86
Russell Gibson
no

00:36:14.49
Russell Gibson
All right, the next one's Josh Giddey. You've already highlighted that. If you go to the last two years of Josh Giddey and then put your mouse to November 24, you can literally take your mouse up and then down, up and then down, up and then all the way down, all the way up, all the way back down again. Now, all the way back up. I've got to tell you, that is how the emotions for me and Josh Giddey have been because when all that alleged ah interactions that he had with a girl under the age of 18 surfaced, his card pricing absolutely plummeted.

00:36:50.97
Adz
Mm-mm-mm. 100%.

00:36:53.38
Russell Gibson
And that's how I felt. i was like, get out from this guy.

00:36:55.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:56.06
Russell Gibson
You don't want nothing to do with it. And then it went down to a point where i was like, oh, it's too good to pass up. and then I was like, okay, i'm now i'm back on the Josh Giddey thing. Then the charge the charges went away, so then I was feeling good about it.

00:37:07.43
Russell Gibson
But then i was you know the prices went too high, then I was off it. And so honestly, like when I look at this graph, like that's literally my feelings to an absolute T there. But the way he's been playing this year, i think the fit in Chicago is actually really good.

00:37:16.25
Adz
yeah

00:37:21.00
Russell Gibson
i you know i don't think...

00:37:22.27
Adz
100%, yeah.

00:37:23.61
Russell Gibson
I don't think Billy Donovan is the world's best coach, but he's also not the worst coach either. Do you know what i mean? And I think he's been given a lot of time in Chicago. and And, you know, the really funny thing for me about the NBA is actually continuity does matter.

00:37:37.78
Russell Gibson
And maybe what we're seeing this year with Chicago is like, you know it's a pretty young team.

00:37:38.04
Adz
hundred percent

00:37:42.66
Russell Gibson
They've got a lot of continuity and Giddy has gotten better. I think that's the easiest way to, you know, really summarize this.

00:37:49.17
Adz
Yeah, Giddy's playing very well. He's matured a lot.

00:37:51.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:37:51.93
Adz
And um the scoring, I've been impressed with his scoring.

00:37:56.79
Russell Gibson
I agree.

00:37:57.85
Adz
I think that was the one element of his game that I that i had concerns about.

00:38:03.81
Russell Gibson
That's essentially why he was traded though too.

00:38:03.99
Adz
um Yeah, yeah, because he didn't have that dog in him, that, that um correct.

00:38:05.37
Russell Gibson
ah

00:38:08.41
Russell Gibson
He couldn't catch and shoot the ball. Yeah.

00:38:10.78
Adz
Like it was, he didn't have the the the desire to be the go-to scorer.

00:38:11.03
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:38:17.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:17.75
Adz
um or put the team on his back and score the but the ball. Facilitating was his go-to. So the fact that he can take on that responsibility now is huge.

00:38:23.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:28.75
Russell Gibson
We just have to skip back to Maxi for a second because I forgot to mention this before. Maxi is also getting a Topps now card after his 54-point game.

00:38:38.71
Adz
Very nice.

00:38:40.25
Russell Gibson
Again, we did the Topps thing last week for our Top 10. I'm all about this. I think these are amazing. I'm going to look in on the pricing on these. If these are reasonably priced, I'm actually going pick one up because I think Maxi's cool. I think these Tops Now stuff is really cool.

00:38:59.26
Russell Gibson
Closing the loops on that top 10 list that I did last week, I had some listener feedback on this.

00:39:04.59
Adz
Oh, nice.

00:39:05.27
Russell Gibson
Joe Dennison said that I should have just done a top one. He said that it was... This is too much to do a top 10. And Oivind Holland had the best take on this from, and frankly, I dropped the ball on this and I really wish Oivind, I had him on the show for us to get this. He said, I missed the autographs, the LeBron, all the guys who are coming back into it. And he's hundred percent, right?

00:39:28.06
Adz
Yep.

00:39:29.24
Russell Gibson
So yeah, i completely missed that.

00:39:29.54
Adz
Yep.

00:39:31.77
Russell Gibson
I was wrong. Oivind, you're a smart guy. And thank you for your fantastic feedback.

00:39:37.23
Adz
Does that mean we we we we don't have to worry about that last category? yeah that That last insert said that we didn't really...

00:39:44.11
Russell Gibson
Well, according to Joe, we would have just done one tops now and that's it. Finish the show.

00:39:48.69
Adz
The 8-bit ones were great, anyway.

00:39:50.52
Russell Gibson
yeah um Segwaying back to our fantasy conversation, honorable mention to Jalen Duren, Shen Goon, Jalen Johnson and Denny Ajava. Ad, do you want to pick one more before we move on?

00:40:04.58
Adz
Fantasy-wise this year, ah

00:40:06.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:07.64
Adz
I've also, oh no, that's that's, oh, Julius Randall has been solid. did you Did you say Julius?

00:40:15.45
Russell Gibson
We can talk about Randall if you want, but um

00:40:18.71
Adz
I like Julius Randall. You know I PC Randall, so.

00:40:20.75
Russell Gibson
know you do. i know you do. Yeah. Okay, fine. let's Let's talk Julius Randall. All right. Julius Randall PSA 10 base is selling for 20 bucks.

00:40:33.37
Adz
Savage.

00:40:34.38
Russell Gibson
I can't.

00:40:34.44
Adz
There's nothing. There's actually nothing.

00:40:36.28
Russell Gibson
I actually can't find any silver data on this guy.

00:40:38.96
Adz
There's none. There is none.

00:40:42.49
Russell Gibson
The population, it's 218. i I honestly think, man, at this point, this is a PC-only card.

00:40:50.31
Adz
That's why I named him. Because I PC him.

00:40:51.63
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:40:55.90
Adz
Maybe that's why we haven't got the data because haven't been selling the cards. I'm the only Julius Randle collector out there.

00:41:02.30
Russell Gibson
Just wait till you unload your stash, right?

00:41:04.12
Adz
That's it. I'll just start.

00:41:04.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:04.96
Adz
Yeah. All-star weekend. I'll just start.

00:41:07.06
Russell Gibson
I mean, you joke, but wait till I start unloading my Schofields.

00:41:12.80
Russell Gibson
And the data is really going to come pouring out.

00:41:15.60
Adz
That's it. That's exactly right.

00:41:17.46
Russell Gibson
All right. This next segment is 100% self-indulgent, but I don't care. i'm really happy slash proud about this moment. I finally got together my set of 75 years of the NBA.

00:41:28.89
Russell Gibson
I thought i thank you.

00:41:29.50
Adz
Congratulations.

00:41:30.37
Russell Gibson
i i thought I had this finished three months ago, but then like I got all my cards into my hand. I realized I'd i'd missed one. So had to go back on the comp scene, and get another delivery done, but that's all good. These things happen.

00:41:39.96
Adz
What was the card that was missing?

00:41:41.91
Russell Gibson
It was Kyrie Irving, actually.

00:41:44.27
Adz
Slippery sucker.

00:41:45.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah, he's a slippery little guy. He's got a smooth handle, too.

00:41:47.23
Adz
It does. It does.

00:41:49.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, go onto our Instagram, go onto our YouTube. You'll find the video on there. I put every single, i went through and did a video and showed every single card on there.

00:41:59.46
Adz
That's awesome.

00:42:00.06
Russell Gibson
Did you get a chance to watch it, Ed?

00:42:01.74
Adz
No.

00:42:02.33
Russell Gibson
Well, I can't really ask you any questions.

00:42:05.17
Adz
yeah

00:42:05.59
Russell Gibson
i was going to ask you, was there any cards that caught your eye? Look, I like the Duncan card.

00:42:09.14
Adz
I like the set. oh yeah.

00:42:10.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's a good set.

00:42:10.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:12.18
Russell Gibson
It's a fun set. It covers a whole bunch of different guys. It's got, you know, the ultra modern guys. It's got the current veterans. It's got the old school, you know, Kareem, Bill Russell, Kevin Garnett.

00:42:22.36
Adz
There are actually some nice shots. some nice shots you know I mean?

00:42:27.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:28.41
Adz
Like the action shots are great. I think the the the very simple way that the card looks, yeah.

00:42:34.95
Russell Gibson
It's super clean.

00:42:37.66
Adz
Like it's not a ah crazy background. It's just a plain silver background. I think that's really as's really clever. Yeah.

00:42:44.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think my only criticism of this set is that I would actually like to see the actual 75 years in it.

00:42:54.26
Adz
Yeah, yeah. The logo, you mean?

00:42:58.10
Russell Gibson
Well, because, you know, remember when they did the 50 years, then they did the 75 years and they actually, they named 75 players as part of that celebration.

00:43:00.12
Adz
The diamond, yeah.

00:43:07.51
Adz
ah so that the actual 75 players were the...

00:43:07.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, yeah, I would actually like to see the top 75 in a set like this. So instead of having, you know, the current crop of rookies in there, then you just have like, you know, the OGs in And I think that would be, in my opinion, that would actually make this set even better again.

00:43:17.37
Adz
Yep.

00:43:24.11
Russell Gibson
But

00:43:24.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

00:43:25.82
Russell Gibson
I still liked it. It was just a fun fun set to actually, you know, to get through. All right. Can we do one more thing before we go to a break? What do you reckon?

00:43:34.24
Adz
Of course, one more. We'll get one more in.

00:43:35.38
Russell Gibson
All right. Kobe Logerman is next on the run sheet, my friend. I'm going to let you break this down because I feel like this is this is your boy.

00:43:46.49
Adz
is my boy. Kobe logo, man. I'm just going to bring it up on the screen for everybody at home.

00:43:52.25
Russell Gibson
Fantastic.

00:43:53.90
Adz
PSA 10 logo man selling nine years apart. This is, so there was a sale on Kobe day, I guess the day after his birthday, the 24th of the 2016.

00:44:05.16
Adz
This man for $7,999. Oh, they would have got extra price. They reckon they made an extra $1,000 because they it on that day.

00:44:07.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:44:10.30
Adz
nine hundred and ninety nine dollars

00:44:12.86
Russell Gibson
I bet you the person thought they were real smart selling it the day after his birthday too, right?

00:44:16.66
Adz
ah like they would have got extra price ah like

00:44:19.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:20.09
Adz
they were again they made like an extra thousand dollars because they sold it on that day Yeah, yeah.

00:44:25.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:44:26.06
Adz
It's like, oh, i wouldt ah got so I got eight grand instead of seven grand.

00:44:27.26
Russell Gibson
At least 10%. That's right.

00:44:31.14
Adz
I'm so good.

00:44:32.31
Russell Gibson
but

00:44:33.08
Adz
Nine years later. Now you guys can do the maths on this and whether or not this is a good investment.

00:44:38.34
Russell Gibson
We're not maths people, are we?

00:44:40.22
Adz
Sold on the 20th of November, 2025 $456,000. I'll just leave there.

00:44:49.83
Adz
umll just leave that there

00:44:51.14
Russell Gibson
think that's all you need to say, really.

00:44:53.75
Adz
Literally, like they just made an extra out of that in nine years.

00:44:53.82
Russell Gibson
um

00:44:58.82
Adz
it's fifty thousand dollars a year that card's gone up

00:44:58.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:01.97
Russell Gibson
It's amazing. i I actually don't see the value in this card. And I'm saying this respectfully, by the way, too. i think at that price, you need at least an autograph in it.

00:45:12.57
Adz
one hundred percent

00:45:15.32
Russell Gibson
And I also wonder, too, who is buying this at that price, man? I'm pretty sure.

00:45:21.72
Adz
Well, it's not a round number, so it's not the Wondershine group.

00:45:24.25
Russell Gibson
oh okay. I was going to say, like why is this not Wondershine?

00:45:27.48
Adz
The flat 500 for Wondershine purchase.

00:45:28.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's true. Or just $450, right? Yep.

00:45:31.54
Adz
Yeah, yeah, there'd be there'd be there's no change in the Wondershine purchases. But yeah, that's that's insane. i do I do have a level of agreement with you on the lack of an autograph. I think that that price tag probably warrants an autograph on it.

00:45:48.22
Russell Gibson
Like for me, at even 50 bucks, I want a patch autograph, you know, let alone 450 Yeah.

00:45:52.12
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:55.00
Adz
yeah. And I think the Logo Man as ah as a card is one of those ones where you expect the auto as well. But

00:46:01.82
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:46:04.60
Adz
yeah, it's still a nice card. Beautiful card.

00:46:06.65
Russell Gibson
That's amazing. Yep.

00:46:08.26
Adz
I would have rather paid eight grand for it.

00:46:11.44
Russell Gibson
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00:46:27.46
Adz
Thank you.

00:46:32.85
Russell Gibson
Don't forget, com.ca is Ross's card consignment service, which is currently building at an exponential rate at the moment. Ross has got a lot more sales happening on the page. He's getting a lot more submissions. He's putting cards on daily.

00:46:48.71
Russell Gibson
He's very, very happy with the progress of the site. We mentioned a Karl-Anthony Towns Logerman last week or the week before. That card has finally been listed. So if you're looking for some Karl-Anthony Towns Logerman, go on CheckoutMyCardsAustralia.com.

00:46:58.41
Adz
Nice.

00:47:06.08
Russell Gibson
And pick up that bad boy right there. Thank you so much to Team US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing support. All right, Ad, this is it.

00:47:16.31
Russell Gibson
This is the fourth quarter. We're just going to...

00:47:18.87
Adz
Oh, things are going to get wild in the fourth.

00:47:22.59
Russell Gibson
We're going to get through some news stories right now. i think we should talk about Chris Paul retiring.

00:47:28.70
Adz
Yes.

00:47:29.83
Russell Gibson
I'm a little bit surprised in the timing of this. I would have thought he would have gone through to the end of the season. So... I am expecting more news to come out around this. So whether it's an injury or there's something, you know, going on in his personal life for this to happen, or it could just simply be that the Clippers suck and he doesn't want to hang around with these guys anymore.

00:47:50.07
Adz
No, no, but he's, he's, he's, it's the end of the season. He's playing until the end of the season.

00:47:58.01
Adz
This is his farewell tour.

00:48:00.38
Russell Gibson
I've read a couple of different stories that,

00:48:02.68
Adz
es paul I'll go to the ESPN one from Instagram. Breaking Chris Paul will be retiring after the end of the ah end of the season. His 21st campaign in the NBA.

00:48:09.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:11.96
Adz
Sources tell Shams.

00:48:13.91
Russell Gibson
I think, yes, that is true. But I think there's a bit of other stuff going on Let's call it alleged at this point. right. Let's check it back on this week. I feel like we might be too early for this. So we might have a bit more news.

00:48:26.23
Russell Gibson
What I thought we could do is like, what's your favorite Chris Paul memory?

00:48:26.28
Adz
Mmm.

00:48:29.11
Russell Gibson
Because I feel like he's kind of one of those guys that was just like a serial agitator at you know one point in his career.

00:48:35.26
Adz
There was a time where he almost became a Laker. That's probably my favorite.

00:48:38.68
Russell Gibson
That was a pretty good time. Yeah.

00:48:41.08
Adz
And then we got 100%,

00:48:41.21
Russell Gibson
Do you think that would have, did that work out better for the Lakers that he didn't go there? Or do you think it would have been?

00:48:46.30
Adz
I think.

00:48:46.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:46.86
Adz
um ah Yeah.

00:48:49.06
Russell Gibson
Cause what was the closing doors moment with that?

00:48:49.34
Adz
Because Powell.

00:48:50.74
Russell Gibson
They got Paul Gasol.

00:48:52.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:52.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:54.07
Adz
Well, they were going to give up Powell, weren't they, to get.

00:48:58.49
Adz
Was the trade? What was the?

00:48:59.94
Russell Gibson
You're the Lakers fan, man.

00:49:00.04
Adz
Anyway.

00:49:00.78
Russell Gibson
I feel like you should know this better than me.

00:49:00.95
Adz
Yeah, i'll I'll get the finer details of the the trade.

00:49:02.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:03.75
Adz
But, yeah.

00:49:04.66
Russell Gibson
I think my favorite memory of him was the, actually, well, it's the Clippers version of him, but when he played with Blake Griffin and they had that sort of like alley hookup shows happening and then they had DeAndre Jordan and then he made DeAndre Jordan good.

00:49:15.87
Adz
Lob City.

00:49:19.54
Russell Gibson
And I think that's probably the other thing about Chris Paul too, that He's made a lot of people money. Like David West was the go-to guy on that Hornets team when he was there.

00:49:30.13
Russell Gibson
And respectfully to David West, he didn't look quite as good when he didn't have Chris Paul throwing him the ball.

00:49:31.61
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:36.53
Russell Gibson
So um while you're looking up that trade, I'll keep going on with the next segment and just interrupt me and we'll segue back to it, man.

00:49:44.66
Adz
i've got i've got I've got the – it was Pau Gasol was the key piece.

00:49:46.07
Russell Gibson
You found it? Yeah.

00:49:50.93
Adz
Arena's claiming the NBA earned it.

00:49:54.74
Russell Gibson
I mean, in that case, I would personally rather have Paul and Kobe than Kobe and Chris Paul.

00:49:55.64
Adz
Yeah. Mm, 100%.

00:50:00.75
Russell Gibson
I feel like that big guy with Kobe is like far more valuable.

00:50:06.68
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, I just think that was –

00:50:11.93
Adz
Yeah, thell like that like it was an interesting move. But the other thing about Chris Paul, I guess for me, is his, that like Lob City, great memory. What I've noticed is he makes teams he made teams better wherever he went, however bad they were.

00:50:28.28
Adz
They always improved with Chris Paul.

00:50:30.37
Russell Gibson
100%.

00:50:31.03
Adz
The Thunder, right, he spent time in the Thunder.

00:50:32.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:34.38
Adz
They became better. He taught these young young guys how to play ball.

00:50:37.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:50:38.30
Adz
His time in Phoenix, right?

00:50:40.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:50:41.30
Adz
They got to the big dance in Phoenix. Like he's he's really, he's he's a floor general.

00:50:47.08
Russell Gibson
He's a pro.

00:50:50.30
Adz
he is the the the what ah the definition of a point guard being that leader in the locker room as well as on the court.

00:50:50.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The definition of a point guard. Yeah.

00:50:58.94
Adz
So I really think he's led by example and he's made those around him better, um which is why I think, and I don't know who in the organization wanted it but I know there's a big strong push from the San Antonio Spurs to get him last year.

00:51:17.34
Adz
And that's why that's why he spent that time in San Antonio. Because if you're going to teach Victor Wimbenyana how best to get into the pick and roll, this is the man you want teaching it.

00:51:28.12
Adz
Simple as that.

00:51:29.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:30.42
Adz
So I think he's, ah yeah, and but he might have a future in coaching. Who knows?

00:51:36.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's a funny one. I feel like he's the type of guy where he's got all the knowledge, but is he got the personality type to communicate with people and teach?

00:51:44.89
Adz
Mmm, mmm.

00:51:46.08
Russell Gibson
I don't know. i this There's kind of a few funny guys like that. like I mean, Jordan's probably not the best example, is it? But maybe maybe someone like Paul Pierce. like I actually think the amount of knowledge that that guy's got, he'd be a fantastic coach, but...

00:52:03.86
Russell Gibson
I couldn't imagine he would ever do that. I'll be actually surprised if Chris Paul coaches.

00:52:09.37
Adz
It'll be interesting.

00:52:10.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:10.18
Adz
and He might be a couple of years out and then he might jump in.

00:52:11.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:12.70
Adz
i wouldn't I would not be surprised if he goes back to the Spurs to coach.

00:52:16.22
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:52:18.04
Adz
i know. The Spurs always bring people in and do stuff like that.

00:52:20.76
Russell Gibson
I thought that's what they were doing when he was there. And when he left, yeah, it sort of changed my mind a little bit on that, actually. All right.

00:52:27.58
Adz
I reckon when he left, it was because of the the coaching change and there was few things because I think he wanted to be under Popovich. But anyway.

00:52:33.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:36.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:36.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. 2009 tops. Steph Curry gold. PSA 8. Population on this is 119. Last sold for

00:52:46.23
Russell Gibson
If you look at the beautiful card ladder graph that they've got here, it's got a nice flat line, an extremely high spike, relatively stable for a bit, and then just straight line going up again.

00:52:58.07
Russell Gibson
ah Ryan from Gem Rate. Ryan, I hope you're well, mate. And he's been... waxing lyrical for a long time that Steph Curry is one of the most underrated guys in the league. So I feel like this type of data just further reinforces Ryan's point on that.

00:53:13.85
Adz
Yeah, 100%.

00:53:14.23
Russell Gibson
I personally think this is, even though this is obviously a very steep line upwards, I think this is a fantastic purchase.

00:53:14.78
Adz
hundred percent

00:53:21.05
Russell Gibson
And now this just establishes a new baseline for, you know, for cost. And you know I think in the past, we've used Jason Tatum as a comp between the rest of the league. Maybe what we actually need to start doing is using...

00:53:36.39
Russell Gibson
either high-end Steph Curry for higher-end stuff or lower-graded Steph for kind of like that lower-end stuff. And you say, okay, there's an $11,000 card. You can get that, you know, whatever card that is, you can get PSA 8, Steph Curry gold, you know, which is the one you'd rather have because like it's getting into sort of like crazy town sometimes, isn't it?

00:53:58.11
Russell Gibson
When you've got Steph Curry undervalued and you've got other guys going for 10 times, you know, what Steph Curry is going for.

00:53:59.11
Adz
It's nuts. Yeah.

00:54:05.15
Russell Gibson
So,

00:54:05.30
Adz
Yeah. It's insane.

00:54:08.88
Russell Gibson
I actually, I've got no problem with this at all. ah

00:54:11.42
Adz
Yeah. I mean, it's PSA 8. It's like the benchmark of a raw card now.

00:54:15.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:16.57
Adz
So basically what we're saying is if you crack that card raw, and you've got one of those raw, that's the and in good nick, PSA 8 is pretty much the benchmark.

00:54:16.90
Russell Gibson
Look.

00:54:24.80
Adz
And you're like, wow, that's an $11,000 card.

00:54:27.48
Russell Gibson
Would you crack that? Would you, if you bought that? Is that what you're saying?

00:54:30.07
Adz
Would you resub it? No, no, no.

00:54:31.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:31.83
Adz
I'm saying if, because PSA 8 is the standard, is is about the same price as raw.

00:54:36.66
Russell Gibson
Sure. Sure. Sure. Yep.

00:54:37.46
Adz
parallel wise. So what we're saying is if you've got a raw one of these, it's probably worth 11 grand.

00:54:41.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:43.58
Adz
is Is raw up on there?

00:54:47.13
Adz
I can look up that stuff, but yeah.

00:54:51.10
Russell Gibson
I, um, yeah. i ah Look, Steph Curry's not my boy, so I'm not too cut up by this. Obviously, I think when you look at that graph, it's like it's an opportunity missed, but for me, that my guy that I'm still really keen on purchasing is a Yo-Kick because obviously I've effed that up, you know, hardcore at this point, but I actually think he's also the type of guy that is getting still overlooked despite, you know, his prices are going up, but all the numbers he's putting up, ah I sort of put him in almost to the Steph Curry category of just being, you know, hideously undervalued.

00:55:25.91
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Jokic is, well, Jokic is a really good one. We can talk about Jokic the moment. Isn't he leading every stat, like all the three key main stats again?

00:55:34.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:35.10
Adz
Again?

00:55:35.91
Russell Gibson
He's ridiculous, that guy.

00:55:37.40
Adz
Like, no one talks about it.

00:55:38.94
Russell Gibson
He actually makes a mockery of basketball, yeah.

00:55:41.50
Adz
Yeah. There's a video out on Instagram.

00:55:43.03
Russell Gibson
Why don't we do a whole thing next week on Yo-Kicks and then we can say we're actually talking about the guy.

00:55:48.54
Adz
Yeah, given he's probably the best basketball player in the world.

00:55:49.24
Russell Gibson
Done.

00:55:51.38
Adz
There was a video reaction of, How he reacts to winning an NBA championship versus winning a horse race.

00:55:51.74
Russell Gibson
Done.

00:55:56.26
Adz
And he's much more emotional about the horse race.

00:55:56.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:01.69
Adz
Like lifting up the the heart, the jockey and the heart, like of the cart and just anyway.

00:56:01.90
Russell Gibson
He's a maniac.

00:56:06.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. GameStop to ban customers for drum roll weighing packs. I'm all about this.

00:56:14.84
Adz
I like it.

00:56:15.67
Russell Gibson
I am all about this.

00:56:16.04
Adz
I like it.

00:56:16.79
Russell Gibson
These guys are absolute flogs and need to go back to their mom's basements. I am 100% all aboard this. Where are you at with this?

00:56:25.40
Adz
Why would you allow a customer to weigh packs?

00:56:31.32
Adz
So just, no.

00:56:32.34
Russell Gibson
I mean, you know Pokemon better than me, but my understanding is the heavier packs have got the hollows in them.

00:56:38.36
Adz
Of course, right? So if there's a shiny card, it weighs, there's a minuscule. So they've got these little scales, these baby scales that they put on the counter, zero out, and it tells you how many, like that it rounds it to like four decimals.

00:56:43.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:55.67
Adz
Like, I...

00:56:56.66
Russell Gibson
You're just further reinforcing what I said before. These guys need to go back to their mum's basements. This is outrageous.

00:57:00.79
Adz
Correct. and bit But it was... I've seen it in game stores. People come in and they actually expect the staff behind the counter to indulge them by sharing all the booster packs with them to to do it. i'm like, you're kidding, right? They're hoping for the the Sunday afternoon casual that doesn't give a stuff about and going, if you want to weigh all your packs, go for your life, you weirdo.

00:57:22.10
Adz
It should be policy in the stores. No, you can't weigh the packs.

00:57:24.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I do. I do think it's really nice to if you're buying a pack, you get to pick your pack.

00:57:30.21
Adz
Pick pack's fine, but I'm not pulling out it you're not pulling out a scale.

00:57:31.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, no no, I'm definitely not. and

00:57:34.97
Adz
You know what? I'm going to rock in with a portable CT scanner.

00:57:42.29
Adz
It's just as bad. like It's like, ah come on.

00:57:44.44
Russell Gibson
i mean, not to fast break trading cards, or don't do it to them.

00:57:48.50
Adz
No, I wouldn't do it to them. It'd be funny.

00:57:50.13
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:57:50.70
Adz
It'd be like ah if it was a Halloween-themed event, like a costume, I'll come in with my pretend scanner and my scales.

00:58:00.07
Russell Gibson
That's your costume for next year, man. That's awesome.

00:58:02.04
Adz
That's it. We'll go to collect fest.

00:58:02.75
Russell Gibson
My thing with NBA, though, is like you can get the heavier pack and then you get a you get a patch out of It can be a napkin patch. You can get the light pack and it can be an autograph or a redemption.

00:58:13.48
Russell Gibson
And they put blockers in NBA, too.

00:58:14.20
Adz
Well, isn't that why they put the, um, isn't that why they put the little lockers in?

00:58:18.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:18.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:19.30
Russell Gibson
So, you know, it's.

00:58:19.58
Adz
So people went going, Oh, it's the thicker pack. It's the, it's the one that's got the patch.

00:58:22.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:23.90
Adz
And you'd be like, no,

00:58:24.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. um Totally self-indulgent. Again, this is basically just for me, my own entertainment. This is from Lock It or Leave It on Instagram.

00:58:34.90
Russell Gibson
Really don't know who this guy is, but yeah, check him out on Instagram. He's doing some cool content. What he's basically highlighting is is there's a pick swap that's going to happen this year between the Clippers and the Thunder.

00:58:46.04
Russell Gibson
The Clippers are at the moment, at the time I did research, 4 and 11.

00:58:50.76
Adz
Mm-mm-mm.

00:58:52.60
Russell Gibson
And allegedly this year's draft is absolutely loaded. So there's a potential that the Thunder could get another top five pick in a draft that essentially that will be like having the number one pick last year.

00:58:59.32
Adz
Uh-huh.

00:59:03.63
Russell Gibson
So imagine adding Cooper flag to this year's Thunder. That's another way of putting this forward.

00:59:08.24
Adz
That's so terrifying, right?

00:59:10.87
Russell Gibson
ah Yeah. At what point does the league step in and just kind of say, like, you guys have um you've run the tables on everyone and we kind of need to be the casino here and, you know, hold you back a little bit.

00:59:16.74
Adz
You've maxed out your picks.

00:59:23.09
Adz
call you back. Yeah.

00:59:24.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:24.25
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:25.98
Russell Gibson
LeBron James to close.

00:59:28.25
Adz
A LeBron James to close. Oh, how the times have changed.

00:59:33.97
Russell Gibson
2024 Prism Black LeBron James Color Blast. This is horizontal for you aficionados out there. Sold on Alt for $15,611. If you were the owner of this card ad, would you be disappointed or happy with this sale?

00:59:52.19
Adz
Hmm. an interesting one. I think I'd be happy.

01:00:00.06
Russell Gibson
Like, for me, this is the chalk toss combined with the color blast.

01:00:03.99
Adz
Agreed. But I also think, I i think the colour blast, for me, for me, the colour blast isn't up there yet.

01:00:04.89
Russell Gibson
And it's PSA 10. Yeah,

01:00:15.38
Russell Gibson
yeah I think the criticism of this card is that it's from Prism Black.

01:00:19.18
Adz
Mm.

01:00:19.90
Russell Gibson
And so, essentially, this was like the you know the last hurrah and...

01:00:24.08
Adz
Chuck all the...

01:00:25.46
Russell Gibson
The comps on the general rookie cards out of those, for example, aren't as high as the stuff that's coming out of straight hobby.

01:00:31.38
Adz
Yeah, which is interesting.

01:00:31.99
Russell Gibson
so So I think that sort of rolls over here in terms of that too.

01:00:32.34
Adz
I just... yeah

01:00:35.40
Russell Gibson
But I really do think that you know timing is like everything when you come to these bigger cards. And you know this is where you really need someone to give you some advice and be like, look, you better play here is to hold this for five years or 10 years.

01:00:47.71
Russell Gibson
And I really think, yeah.

01:00:48.57
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. once there's some scarcity about it. Oh, look, we might get the Kobe scenario from earlier where sold for 15,000 and then in 2035, it's sold for 400,000. Who knows?

01:01:03.00
Russell Gibson
I don't think this card has quite the same potential, but I do think this card is not going down. I think this card's going up at 15.

01:01:09.18
Adz
I think there'll be a level of of of the card increasing in value.

01:01:10.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah,

01:01:12.98
Adz
I don't think it'll be almost half a million dollars yet.

01:01:13.88
Russell Gibson
yeah, yeah.

01:01:18.01
Russell Gibson
All right. I think on that point, we thank everybody for tuning in. We really hope you've enjoyed this week's show. Thank you, Adam, again, for your commentary and contributions this week.

01:01:25.25
Adz
That's it.

01:01:28.76
Russell Gibson
Thank you to our friends at Central Coast Radio. Your support the last few weeks has been absolutely amazing. We... we We are just blown away by how many people are tuning in each week at this point in time. So so guys on Central Coast Radio, thank you so much.

01:01:44.06
Russell Gibson
Huge shout out to our friends in Canada. I think we need to also shout out to our friends in Philippines on the podcast. We've got a lot of people tuning in in Philippines at the moment.

01:01:53.51
Adz
ands it

01:01:54.12
Russell Gibson
We've got a lot more people tuning in America and again in into Canada, just you know the straight podcast. So guys, thank you so much for your support. We're we're honored. We're flattered.

01:02:04.82
Adz
I really appreciate it.

01:02:04.82
Russell Gibson
And yeah, we'll catch everybody.

01:02:05.66
Adz
Yeah. And, o and, and the YouTubers, don't forget the YouTubers.

01:02:07.18
Russell Gibson
Sorry, Ed.

01:02:11.38
Russell Gibson
YouTube has been popping lately, actually.

01:02:13.54
Adz
It has. So yeah, a few new subscribers. It's really good to, to, to see everybody. um Yeah. Say thank you in the comments. If you see us on YouTube, give us a review.

01:02:23.87
Adz
If you listen to us on one of the podcasting platforms and check us out, let us know let us know if you, if there's anything particular content you want to, end

01:02:26.70
Russell Gibson
That's it.

01:02:35.13
Adz
If you'd like to support the show,

01:02:39.42
Adz
you can click. There's a link, isn't there, in the show where you can support the show.

01:02:43.35
Russell Gibson
in the In the podcast description.

01:02:44.43
Adz
We're really bad at this, Russell.

01:02:45.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we're shocking at this. we This is getting worse, not getting better. Yeah. So if you go to the podcast description, there's a las like a buy me a coffee link where you can go on and you can do it with that. There's a PayPal link.

01:02:56.68
Russell Gibson
It's all officially done through Buzzsprout. So you're not going to get ripped off or anything like that. If you want to chuck us a couple of bucks to say thanks, that's the um the other way you can do that too.

01:03:06.00
Adz
Yep.

01:03:06.39
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:03:06.55
Adz
And and unlike unlike Beckett and um Snipe, your yeah your data will be protected, yep.

01:03:11.26
Russell Gibson
All of your daughter is protected. That's right.

01:03:18.07
Adz
Awesome. Well, thanks, everybody. Thanks, Russell. And we'll see you all next week.