Episode 251: PSA Regrading Buy Backs— Smart Play or Slab Roulette?

In Episode 251, Russell and Adam take a hard look at one of the most debated behaviours in the hobby right now — PSA regrading their own cards

Is PSA regrading a smart optimisation strategy… or has it become a dangerous numbers game that distorts populations, pricing, and trust?

The discussion covers:
 • How the situation came to light

 • Is this actually a scam?
 • who publicly defended PSA?
 • what can be done to regulate this

A must-listen for anyone slab-chasing, flipping, or questioning whether grades still mean what we think they do.

🎧 Listen on Spotify:
 https://open.spotify.com/show/70w10XxmGviovd5T0LUFFc

Transcript

00:00:11.38
Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 251 of of the You Can't Comp This MBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.

00:00:23.58
Russell Gibson
Hey, hey, hey.

00:00:24.54
Adz
This is what life is like post-250. Yeah, pretty

00:00:28.50
Russell Gibson
Kind of the same, really.

00:00:29.53
Adz
much. Pretty much. pretty much Same old, same old. It's just the numbers go go up.

00:00:34.55
Russell Gibson
We did have a beverage to celebrate.

00:00:36.38
Adz
We did, we did. It's been a nice celebratory week for the show. Yeah, it was good.

00:00:43.48
Russell Gibson
Between Christmas and 250 that's it.

00:00:43.47
Adz
lot of celebrations. Yeah, festive time of year.

00:00:48.24
Russell Gibson
Festive. That's the the correct word, isn't it?

00:00:51.56
Adz
It is.

00:00:53.08
Russell Gibson
Talking about festivities, PSA have been um fli festively celebrating their own themselves.

00:00:53.21
Adz
it is

00:01:00.59
Russell Gibson
So we're going to talk about this grading situation that's come to light from Twitter, which is my favorite platform. We're going to talk about a Jordan PMG that sold this week for some big dollars, but

00:01:14.07
Adz
Some bank. Nice.

00:01:15.13
Russell Gibson
Should it have been more? I mean, that's kind of a good question. um We're going to talk about some Wemby cards because they've made it into the cup final. we're going to talk about some Brunson cards because they've also made it to the cup final. We've got a card for Joe Fu, a Shaq Beam team.

00:01:29.85
Russell Gibson
Some Keontae George market update. I've got a card for you, add another Kobe Kaboom. We've got some Yo Kick news.

00:01:35.13
Adz
nice

00:01:37.05
Russell Gibson
We're going to froth over Derek Queen a little bit more. And I feel we like we called this one a little bit early. We were onto him. This is our third time we've actually...

00:01:44.92
Adz
You were, you were. I wasn't sure because he's still in the shit team. But anyway.

00:01:49.59
Russell Gibson
Terrible team, and to be honest, I still think the trade is not fantastic, but it's not looking as bad as what it was because he's looking undefeated in some aspects of the court.

00:02:00.26
Adz
Formidable, yeah.

00:02:01.56
Russell Gibson
Just a whole bunch of other stuff. We're going to do a gem rate check-in this week. It's been a while since we've checked in with Ryan from gem rate, so we're going to do that. And then, of course, we've got a whole bunch of other stuff that we probably won't get through because we we always go long.

00:02:12.82
Adz
Yeah, look, it it it's it's it sounds like, it look, if we don't get around to everything and we've over-promised and under-delivered, we are sorry. We will cover it next week, though.

00:02:21.30
Russell Gibson
you We will try.

00:02:22.58
Adz
Yes.

00:02:23.58
Russell Gibson
all right. So let's get straight into this PSA um situation. If we want to do a one-line summary of this, um and this is all becoming uncovered as we go.

00:02:35.73
Russell Gibson
So I think some of these are going to be facts and some of these are going to be like not so factual, but let's just, but we're also a week down the track because we could have done this last week, but my sort of feeling was, was that more information was going to come out and it would be better if we did it this week.

00:02:40.34
Adz
speculaty Speculative and and and

00:02:47.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:49.40
Russell Gibson
So that's why we've, um Yeah, done this week. So this is from Twitter account PZPTCG.

00:03:00.44
Russell Gibson
Okay. In an absolutely wild turn of events, apparently some of these were literally greater than 10, but PSA falsely told me they were 9s. Some of the subs were originally marked as a PSA 9. I sold back to PSA at their PSA buyback value, which we've been talking about this already in terms of PSA...

00:03:16.89
Adz
the um I've already labeled the concern of the the the monopolized market taking.

00:03:22.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So PSA have been buying up their own slabs and they've been then reselling them to repackers and they've also branded their own, you know, top form of of repack.

00:03:24.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:03:32.36
Adz
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:03:35.32
Russell Gibson
And then I think also everyone's been getting the stadium club advertising in their Facebook feed. Like, have you been getting that ad?

00:03:44.82
Adz
Maybe I don't pay attention to a lot of marketing.

00:03:45.11
Russell Gibson
And that's, that's the repack where it's the digital one that's online.

00:03:49.05
Adz
Oh yeah. Yeah. Did you know you can get digital? Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:52.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. And so they're like in that sort of whole um ecosystem of all that, you know, feeding cards into that too, where where you open the card online, you you open a digital pack, but you get a physical card and they offer you instant buyback.

00:03:59.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:04:07.32
Russell Gibson
So essentially you can just like just keep dipping back in. So this is all, it's all part of that same sort of ecosystem of what we're talking about here.

00:04:13.69
Adz
Trading card pokies. Here we go. Yeah.

00:04:15.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah, basically. All right, anyway, back to the Twitter post. But now if you look at the certificate, it's a PSA 10. they bought PSA 10s from me for less than the PSA nine value because they showed me the wrong grades or did they change it after the fact?

00:04:30.52
Russell Gibson
And then, so I think after this post was put up, so this was put up December the 4th. So this is now eight days ago in terms of, you know chronological time.

00:04:43.51
Russell Gibson
um A lot of people picked up on this and it sort of became, you know, a bit of a Instagram moment basically where people were re,

00:04:51.02
Adz
It definitely went viral where people were re republishing.

00:04:52.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, viral and people reposted and then people said, you know, they didn't want to grade with PSD.

00:04:54.07
Adz
yeah Okay.

00:04:57.90
Russell Gibson
So we're going to get to all that stuff in a minute. What I did find though on a on a TCG forum, because this is more TCG related, but I think it does impact basketball a lot, um was the original original post and then the original post to also clarify what he then put up um and then to also then clarify that

00:05:24.06
Russell Gibson
um what it was was more about this guy on Twitter submitted a large quantity of Pikachu cards, all of them great it graded 9 or lower, made a huge video about it, da-da-da-da-da, and here's the update post. Many of the cards were shown to be a PSA 9 grade and had an offer PSA 9 value. That's the same thing I just said.

00:05:44.79
Russell Gibson
And then the update post is that

00:05:53.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's the update of it is, I'm going to need to edit this out. I was going to put a footnote into here.

00:06:17.33
Russell Gibson
Basically what he then went back to clarify was that um some of them were tens, some of them were nines. And then once he contacted PSA about it, they then made him whole on what the value was and essentially gave the gave him back the tens that had been regraded.

00:06:34.81
Russell Gibson
And so i think that... you know, that's a really interesting circumstance in that PSA essentially are giving back. So so obviously they they took the money back for the nines, but then gave him back the tens.

00:06:45.82
Russell Gibson
And so I think, you know, so for me, the the initial questions are as like, what triggers PSA to look at cards, to reassess them? Because my understanding was that once you submit your cards in a, in a submission or a sub, they come back to you and and there's no arguing the fact.

00:07:06.07
Russell Gibson
And, know,

00:07:07.64
Adz
Unless you're the the grader that can do that.

00:07:07.70
Russell Gibson
I haven't, the grader can do it, but even then I've never heard of them changing a grade.

00:07:09.60
Adz
Yep.

00:07:14.01
Russell Gibson
And in fact, there's been instances where the PSA have actually, they've got some type of system on file where they can go back and look at their grading notes and explain to you, okay, so this is graded six or a seven when you're expecting, you know, a nine or a 10.

00:07:28.15
Russell Gibson
And these are the reasons why. And so, but I've never heard of a system in where, it automatically re triggers and then like someone gets a 10. So I think I wanted to get my head around that a little bit.

00:07:41.11
Russell Gibson
Um, I reached out to, I would call him a grading expert in Australia and his response onto that is that I believe there's more that's come to light recently about this, including some of his cards originally being 10.

00:07:55.06
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:07:55.54
Russell Gibson
but he didn't mention it. And let's just say that is true to the fact that, you know, let's give him that. um I can't speak to what might've triggered a review other than it normally comes via an internal decision or one initi initiated by the customer. So, and I think that's the part where like,

00:08:14.81
Russell Gibson
There has to be some transparency around that internal decision. the one that's initiated by the customer, you can absolutely do that, but you have to pay for that privilege. So you have to send the card back and you you can get the card reviewed again.

00:08:24.25
Adz
Mm-hmm. Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:08:27.50
Russell Gibson
And I believe that that charge is $30 US. And so... and so my My thought around that has always been, well, like that's another way for them to extract funds out of you because they grade it the initial time, they give you a nine, you send it back in for another review, they grade it to a 10, and then they also hit you with the upcharge fee.

00:08:46.94
Russell Gibson
So like PSA like is absolutely incentivized to you know have that scenario sort of play out. but And i so I've given you a fair bit of groundwork here. So my first question to you is like,

00:09:00.70
Russell Gibson
what's your feeling on that internal decision for them to automatically,

00:09:07.39
Russell Gibson
reassess cards and particularly when they've brought them back at a PSA nine price.

00:09:14.62
Adz
I, ah there's ah there's there's a comment in the chat. Anthony Milne just said, once a buyback's in place, it's already compromised. um

00:09:21.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:22.58
Adz
I'm, look, do you know something can trigger a change? A viral post that's going to actually bring PSA undone. i something doesn't smell right here.

00:09:37.69
Adz
And i i I don't know if it's their internal controls or what. They should not be the ones facilitating the buyback. It's unethical and it's bad business practice. You cannot have the actual grading company in the market of selling graded cards. It's ridiculous.

00:09:59.95
Russell Gibson
you

00:10:01.24
Adz
It is actually ridiculous. you've got people like Wondershine starting conglomerates to invest in trading and sports cards. This is a tangible asset.

00:10:13.91
Adz
I don't see how the valuer can also be the banker. all of or Anything that comes under some regulatory framework has independent verification methods and regulations that that stop this nonsense.

00:10:34.01
Adz
i I don't like where this is headed because if PSA, every time something happens with PSA, it's like they made them whole. No, they didn't. They got caught.

00:10:45.80
Adz
That's not making them whole. That's brushing off the fact they got caught.

00:10:52.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, i'm I think the easiest thing to do is to jump to the conclusion that there is a scam. But like I think where my head is at the moment, but I just don't know either, is this like a really big scam?

00:11:04.92
Russell Gibson
Or is this something that like is like you know a small thing? Because remember also too, there was a sentiment recently that PSA had been buying up a whole lot of 9s.

00:11:16.31
Russell Gibson
And they'd been buying up heavy 9s and 10s and they'd been but paying comps for them.

00:11:22.55
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:11:23.19
Russell Gibson
And I think,

00:11:24.47
Adz
So can I go back to your trade at your your notes?

00:11:27.29
Russell Gibson
yeah.

00:11:27.83
Adz
Think about it. Think about they've got detailed notes on the grades, right? So if you've got graders, and I've graded the card at night, so i'm ah i call well hypothetically, I'm the guy at PSA that makes the notes.

00:11:41.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:11:41.78
Adz
And I go 9.5, 9.5, 9, 9, 9. Okay, okay. I'm going make note on card.

00:11:44.76
Russell Gibson
They can see the serial number.

00:11:44.76
Adz
nine

00:11:45.88
Russell Gibson
they can see

00:11:46.17
Adz
i nine okay okay so i'm going to make a note on this card If this comes back, I'm switching it.

00:11:56.18
Adz
Right? I could also, and this hasn't been unmasked and this hasn't happened, but have those 9, 9, 9 or 9 and a halves that you go, you know what? I could give it a 10, but I'll give it a 9.

00:12:10.33
Adz
If it comes back, I can re-slab it as a 10. Right?

00:12:14.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And do they have a process to automatically trigger that? I think, and I think that that's that,

00:12:19.67
Adz
If they do, they'll give us snippets of it and repaint it as a different structure. But we have no say on it because it they control the whole process.

00:12:29.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. And I think this is where my head's at. So this is the part that's kind of like it's been going through my head. It's this internal process because it seems like... but I mean, the grading expert in Australia acknowledged there is an internal process there.

00:12:43.32
Russell Gibson
There clearly is an internal process. That's been highlighted from this Twitter post. like You know what I mean? like Sort of take the controversy out of it. I'm just trying to think about this as like an actual process and where they could compromise it. So I think you know that is absolutely there. So the second question...

00:12:58.42
Russell Gibson
in in our sort of run sheet is, is this a scam? I think we've already addressed that. um And so my next question to you is, should they be able to regrade their own cards they buy back? Like,

00:13:12.06
Adz
No, I think that's unethical.

00:13:13.40
Russell Gibson
yeah, so I wonder if that's like, if they're going to, you know, be moving forward for this, you know, they need to put some guardrails in place. And I would say one guardrail would be they can't review their own cards. They can't regrade their own cards.

00:13:25.91
Adz
but they shouldn't They shouldn't be selling the damn things. They shouldn't be buying them in the first place. openness Open a subsidiary company.

00:13:30.23
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, see, actually, i was going to say that.

00:13:32.69
Adz
Just don't do it.

00:13:35.77
Russell Gibson
You sort of took the words out of my mouth on that because I think if PSA are taken out of that link on the chain, i think that would be a little bit disappointing because I do see the i do see the good sides of them being able to you know buy back, put into the PSA vault, you know make offers on it.

00:13:53.29
Russell Gibson
you know I think that's a really...

00:13:53.88
Adz
the The subsidiary can put it into the vault. That's fine.

00:13:57.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think if there is a way for them to build that out and do it independently, hundred percent, I agree with that.

00:14:00.47
Adz
have it they thank they need it needs to be a different business with regulations in place because, and this isn't just me losing my losing my mind over regulation in the hobby.

00:14:04.06
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:14:10.07
Russell Gibson
No, no, not at all.

00:14:10.50
Adz
This is grading practice, having having contingencies in place

00:14:10.83
Russell Gibson
Not at all. Yeah.

00:14:16.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:17.53
Adz
to um to make sure this shit doesn't happen.

00:14:21.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:22.99
Adz
Because it is, it's it's concerning to say the least. you can So sure, you're right. Every card can have their own, um what would you call it?

00:14:33.94
Adz
um Notes on why they graded it a certain way.

00:14:37.56
Russell Gibson
Yes.

00:14:37.79
Adz
But what stops the grading company from having internal notes? Putting a mark on the card to say, could regrade higher.

00:14:51.13
Adz
If we, so Paul over in one corner is our expert grader and he it goes through the grading and he goes 9.5, 9.5, 9, 9. Have to give it a nine. Okay. PSA nine.

00:15:02.52
Adz
Like, oh, thank you to Paul. Give it to Mark next time. 9.5, 9.5, 9.5. It's a 10. There we go. Cool. Give us all these ones we've flagged and we'll go and regrade them to make a shitload of money.

00:15:16.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And just a little bit of background on why this could be actually a scam. And this is from Sergy Boy on Twitter.

00:15:26.63
Adz
Yep.

00:15:26.77
Russell Gibson
Turner runs collectors, collectors owns PSA. Okay. Turner comes from a venture capitalist background and that background is known for hyperscaling companies.

00:15:36.09
Adz
yep

00:15:36.60
Russell Gibson
Good, Amazon or Meta, bad, FTX and Theranos. The issues with PSA are PSA's niche, i.e. expanded vertical integration.

00:15:46.94
Russell Gibson
Niche has a ceiling, i.e. upcharges, tiers and vertical integration and conflicts of interest, i.e.

00:15:51.00
Adz
yep

00:15:52.62
Russell Gibson
we make more money if we rate it a 10 versus a 7, 8 or 9 and we make more when we sell it.

00:15:56.70
Adz
Correct.

00:16:00.25
Russell Gibson
So i think that's a really good observation in terms of why PSA might be incentivized to actually be doing something of this type of behavior because you know at the end of the day, you know he's got investors to keep happy. He's got so-and-so to keep happy.

00:16:17.75
Russell Gibson
And I think that it's actually, it's a really interesting point

00:16:23.06
Russell Gibson
like they are sort of somewhat limited by their own like niche sort of hobby, despite the fact that them grading so many damn cards at the moment and completely blowing every other grade.

00:16:33.26
Russell Gibson
Like that's like, I find that really hard to sort of almost say that like they're the king, but it's still not enough, you know?

00:16:36.43
Adz
So they've already got the monopoly right. And and and and and once again, i will I'll definitely shout out Anthony Milne for his contribution here.

00:16:40.30
Russell Gibson
And so.

00:16:46.85
Adz
by Buying back is a scam already because they're controlling the pop count. they're They're controlling the population of the card.

00:16:57.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:58.81
Adz
So they can they can release them into the market at their choosing. that's That's market control.

00:17:04.06
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:17:05.70
Adz
That's that's borderline insider trading.

00:17:06.01
Russell Gibson
I mean, but to be fair, anyone could do that if you were so inclined to do it.

00:17:14.49
Adz
Right, yeah, but only one entity has the ability to release a bunch of 10s into the market if there's a low pop count.

00:17:20.99
Russell Gibson
Particularly if you bought them at nine and changed it to 10. Sure, sure. that That is absolutely true. that That is absolutely true.

00:17:25.14
Adz
So we buy all the nines, we notice there's a low 10 pop count, and then down the track when they go through the roof,

00:17:27.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:17:32.76
Adz
Oh, look, they're in the market. Oh, we made a lot of money. Oh, no. What a surprise.

00:17:39.70
Russell Gibson
We're going to go for a break and then we'll we'll come back and we'll keep chewing through this fat.

00:17:43.99
Adz
Nom, nom, nom.

00:17:45.43
Russell Gibson
Thank you to Neon Trading Cards for your ongoing support. Go to neontradingcards.com. There you'll find a huge array of breaks. Soccer, NBA, MLB, F1, AFL, NRL, WWE, Marvel.

00:18:00.50
Russell Gibson
Of course, the boys are on whatnot. They are one of the one of three Australian repackers on Whatnot. They are also Topps slash Fanatics direct partner.

00:18:11.77
Russell Gibson
So go check them out on NeonTradingCards.com for all your breaking needs. Now, also this week, specific to the boys,

00:18:20.91
Adz
It's big It's big week.

00:18:23.14
Russell Gibson
Tops Chrome Basketball is hitting their website. Do not miss out on these breaks. Who knows how much they're going to have. The allocation could be ginormous.

00:18:36.12
Russell Gibson
Who knows how much he is actually coming to Australia. I have no idea on this.

00:18:38.60
Adz
How much was printed? We don't know. we don't we Yeah, we actually don't know.

00:18:40.25
Russell Gibson
with

00:18:43.26
Russell Gibson
Anyway, it is going to be huge for the hobby. It's going to be huge for Neon. But don't forget, NBA Chrome is releasing this week. Get down to NeonTradingCards.com for your hobby-related needs.

00:19:01.75
Russell Gibson
All righty, Adam, we're back. Now, we are going to continue on this PSA changing nine to 10 situation. And we're going to talk about old mate Jeff Wilson, because Jeff Wilson had to chime in.

00:19:19.17
Adz
Of course do.

00:19:19.22
Russell Gibson
And this is what Jeff Wilson had to say.

00:19:21.99
Adz
Oh, God.

00:19:22.78
Russell Gibson
Do you really believe that a billion dollar company would endanger their whole business by skimming a few bucks by changing grades on cheap Pokemon cards they bought back?

00:19:34.17
Russell Gibson
No way. I don't buy it. The juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze. Now, Jeff Wilson, at the same time, also announced the same week.

00:19:45.46
Russell Gibson
that they are now an official PSA submission center at Cards HQ. So do you think that there's possibly a conflict of interest there for Jeff Wilson and PSA, Adam?

00:19:56.25
Adz
Sorry, I'm still getting over your um your Jeff Wilson impression. I think it's think it's pretty good.

00:19:59.95
Russell Gibson
I thought that was goddamn fantastic.

00:20:02.99
Adz
don't know how accurate it is.

00:20:03.45
Russell Gibson
Thanks.

00:20:04.34
Adz
It's entertaining, to say the least.

00:20:05.37
Russell Gibson
I thought it was pretty good, actually.

00:20:06.70
Adz
It's it's just good. It's good. It's good. um Look, yeah, it's pretty much, i yeah, I don't know how much you can take that without a grain of salt because, come on.

00:20:20.09
Adz
Yeah. It's like you're you're you're a representative, like you're in bed with PSA. course, you're not going to say anything negative about them.

00:20:26.71
Russell Gibson
I mean, at this point in time, actually, I feel like PSA would have just been messaging this guy, i just telling him to shut up. Like, would you just shut up, Jeff Wilson? It's like, actually, it probably means that they are guilty now that Jeff Wilson said that.

00:20:41.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:42.07
Russell Gibson
you what I mean? It's like PSA have said nothing about this.

00:20:46.10
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:46.52
Russell Gibson
They have not addressed it. They have not responded to any of the comments. They've said absolutely nothing at all. you know And so I'm absolutely waiting to hear what PSA have got to say.

00:21:00.25
Adz
Yeah, it's very, um I just don't know. um just, I like, I don't know why he would even put his hat in the ring for it. you know what I mean?

00:21:12.15
Russell Gibson
So let's go to the other side of the coin. This is from Old Town JB on Twitter. Between supporting backyard breaks and now the 9-10 scandal, PSA's comment section looks much worse than a politician's. Not good for a consumer brand. We can just read through a couple of these. I don't think we need to go through every single one.

00:21:29.46
Russell Gibson
um this is from Square One Stock. At this point, the only thing that could make it worse would be if they legit got caught red-handed or something. This is pretty close. Certainly a lot of smoke coming up in the air.

00:21:40.28
Russell Gibson
The grading world needs a shake-up, but I'm not convinced that there is currently a company that is ready to harness the opportunity.

00:21:40.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:21:46.72
Russell Gibson
That means that ultimately PSA will mean that the drug dealer you hate to go to, but is never out. I mean...

00:21:52.63
Adz
ne

00:21:53.94
Russell Gibson
Like sometimes people will summarize the situation so perfectly well. And I think we have to, you know, give this person their flowers because that's absolutely beautiful.

00:22:04.28
Adz
It's, um, yeah, it's just, I just don't,

00:22:10.21
Adz
I've got no words. It's good.

00:22:12.72
Russell Gibson
I feel like the lu the last couple of weeks has been busy between the snipe hack, the BGS hack, and now this sort of really weird situation coming out.

00:22:12.93
Adz
Well, good summary. Yeah.

00:22:16.66
Adz
has

00:22:22.65
Adz
It has. What's next week?

00:22:25.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I don't know. um

00:22:27.10
Adz
Shelves are empty. No tops Chrome for anybody. No tops Chrome for Christmas.

00:22:29.82
Russell Gibson
i mean I mean, that's a ah that's an easy to prediction. All right, so one thing that has been going through my head, which I don't really understand, is like PSA would have not got caught on this if they just had created a new serial number.

00:22:43.16
Russell Gibson
So they used the old serial number, and that's how the guy tracked it down.

00:22:46.99
Adz
That's just silly.

00:22:48.15
Russell Gibson
But to me, that doesn't make sense. Like, like why would they do that? So I reached out to...

00:22:52.06
Adz
If they're a big company, if they're a big company, maybe, maybe they did like just, it was, yeah, bad stuff.

00:22:58.27
Russell Gibson
reached out to Ryan on Gem Rayner because I thought he would be a ah good person to get input on this.

00:23:00.98
Adz
Oh, nice.

00:23:03.08
Russell Gibson
on And so he said that, no, there's no way that you can detect this easily. There's no way that you can actually you know be notified of this change happening.

00:23:12.25
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:23:13.19
Russell Gibson
He basically said in other messages, it's not a good look it's not a good look, but it won't impact them unless they make changes as a result, like showing the buyer of offers or making greatest notes available on all cards.

00:23:13.41
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:23:26.50
Russell Gibson
And so... Yeah, I think that's ah that's a really interesting comment. And i would I actually wouldn't mind to see greatest notes on on the PSA registry.

00:23:39.06
Russell Gibson
I think that would be a good addition to to a card.

00:23:41.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:45.94
Russell Gibson
And I think if you're going to regulate something, why couldn't they show offers that they've made on cards?

00:23:56.31
Russell Gibson
Like if if they're going to legitimize this process, if they're going to you know move forward on it, but why not?

00:24:00.92
Adz
Sure, I still think a third party needs to i see i still think and a third party needs to facilitate it for integrity.

00:24:07.06
Russell Gibson
ooh But I think that would take the profit out of their hands.

00:24:10.84
Adz
then they don't do it.

00:24:12.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:13.66
Adz
Well, no, if it's a fully owned subsidiary, it won't take it out. It'll just be, it's just a creating an actual integrity line that they need to like check some balances before it goes to the other side.

00:24:25.45
Adz
Easy.

00:24:25.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We've had some card hobby shops of release some information about this. This is from 3Point RVA. Good morning to our friends and followers. We are very disappointed that we have to make this post today.

00:24:37.38
Russell Gibson
But in light of the recent controversy surrounding PSA's grading allegations of trading grades after purchasing cards from customer along with other negative factors over the past few months, such as added wait times and raised fees, lack transparency, we at 3Point.RVA have decided to hold all PSA submissions through us for the foreseeable future.

00:24:54.90
Adz
Yeah,

00:24:55.81
Russell Gibson
If you have turned in cards of da-da-da-da-da, But, you know, my sort of thing about that is like, i think that's a really good stance to make, but the only person who stands to lose cash on this is 3.RVA because I think people will still want to submit with PSA and just go to a different subber.

00:25:14.07
Adz
yeah. It's

00:25:14.84
Russell Gibson
So it's like, how long can you, you know, keep this going for?

00:25:20.47
Russell Gibson
You know, I think you have to give them respect for making a stand, but, you know, that that's sort of about all you can really do.

00:25:20.63
Adz
true.

00:25:26.74
Russell Gibson
um CGC announced at the same time that they've revised their services and their fees. They're actually increasing their fees. I don't think that this was because of that. I think that's just this is just something that happened at the same time.

00:25:39.30
Russell Gibson
But I mean, yeah, I think that's a risky move, to be honest.

00:25:40.28
Adz
Sure.

00:25:45.36
Russell Gibson
I think most people want cheaper grading, not more expensive grading.

00:25:48.41
Adz
No, and I think I think it makes it unattainable for most people to be able to grade cards, but

00:25:52.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think that's another reason why you would just stay with PSA. um What's the fallout of this? So Backyard Breaks have announced that they're delaying an announcement.

00:26:04.09
Russell Gibson
I mean, what's the the conjecture here? That they are may be going to be announcing they've got to deal with like more deals with PSA, but they can't do it?

00:26:11.03
Adz
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.

00:26:13.78
Russell Gibson
I mean, if you're talking about a way to buy an nines, make them tens, put them into repacks and sell them on scale, like that's your that's your path to freedom right there, isn't it? Working with Backyard Breaks.

00:26:26.95
Adz
I just think that's so, yeah.

00:26:28.66
Russell Gibson
Off the air, we're talking about Boston Card Hunter.

00:26:28.91
Adz
Let's just,

00:26:30.94
Russell Gibson
He's had a lot to say about it, but I think my sort of major takeaway from him, in addition to what we've said, it he was comparing it to like Enron collapsing and other big you know companies.

00:26:41.26
Russell Gibson
And he was basically saying, don't assume that PSA is going to be here forever, but...

00:26:47.10
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:48.01
Russell Gibson
He also compared it to Blockbuster video.

00:26:48.02
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:50.26
Russell Gibson
I don't really think it's the same thing. I mean, Blockbuster collapsed for a myriad of other different reasons, including including ah Greed, actually, talking to some people who were in the know with Blockbuster on that.

00:26:56.99
Adz
True. Yeah,

00:27:02.44
Russell Gibson
But...

00:27:03.42
Adz
yeah, yeah.

00:27:03.86
Russell Gibson
um All right, I think what we'll do is we're going to summarize here. We're going to summarize and then we're going to recap and then we'll move on to our next topic. So to summarize, I suggest that PSA can't reassess their own buybacks. They can't regrade their own cards.

00:27:19.42
Russell Gibson
They have a side-arm company to purchase their cards. And Ryan from GemRate made a fantastic idea. Show offers that's been made on cards to have some transparency there. Adam, I'll give you the final say on this. What do you think, man?

00:27:33.91
Adz
um I think if this is not the overwhelming evidence as to why some form of structured regulation is required in this hobby, then I i i don't think we' we'll ever get regulation.

00:27:46.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:50.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:52.44
Adz
Because this it doesn't impact basketball cards. This impacts all trading cards.

00:27:56.95
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:27:57.50
Adz
this is a bigger this is This is bigger than just um like NBA cards. this is The whole grading economy could could could collapse if the integrity of the the biggest one is not up to scratch.

00:28:12.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I do agree with that in a way, but then I think practically where would people go to? Like people aren't going to BGS, are they?

00:28:19.29
Adz
No, no, no. But I'm talking, all right. so So to make it a, maybe we talk about this at at a later point, Wondershine gives up on the whole trading card thing and says, this is too risky. If we can't trust the graders, we're out.

00:28:33.67
Russell Gibson
Particularly PSA, yeah.

00:28:35.61
Adz
So if if if say say like that money goes out, they're like, we're not going to invest in this. We'll go and get memorabilia that we can get certified through other means.

00:28:46.26
Adz
But if we can't trust the main card grader, we ain't touching cards anymore. That's a big move.

00:28:52.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. But I think that's where my head's at. You know what I'm saying?

00:28:54.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:55.15
Russell Gibson
Like, who's this other person?

00:28:57.14
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:57.50
Russell Gibson
I think that's where for me it gets real tricky.

00:28:58.78
Adz
Yeah. Cause I, cause I think unless there is some, an alternative option or a framework with which to work under this puts the hobby, this aspect of the hobby in jeopardy.

00:29:08.27
Russell Gibson
Yep. All right. We've got a couple of minutes. So what we'll do is we're going to change up the list and do a filler card. We're going to do the Shaq Beam Team card. So this

00:29:16.72
Adz
Oh, shout out to Joe Fu.

00:29:19.35
Russell Gibson
This is good one. We can shout out Joe Fu, but we can also talk about Stadium Club um because these are interesting cards. This recently sold, a PSA 10 sold for $25,000. If you look at the all-time sales on this, flat as a tack for 10 years, 10 years plus.

00:29:37.56
Russell Gibson
Huge raise from basically, let's call it a grand, all the way up to $20,000. Then all the way down, we know what that was, that was COVID. It was floating around that sort of 10K mark and now it's gone exponentially up. The last sale was $25,200.

00:29:55.32
Russell Gibson
Pop 61 on this card. i think the thing for me is like, i don't consider these more than a nice insert. They weren't particularly expensive that long ago. It's possible you have some of these in your card piles.

00:30:10.58
Russell Gibson
My two cents on this, and you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, send these cards off for grading and and sell them. I really, I think,

00:30:18.30
Adz
you know but You know what's going to happen. They'll come back nines and you'll submit them to PSA and then they'll list them as tens.

00:30:24.82
Russell Gibson
yeah, yeah, for real, right? But no, i I really think that these are just, at this price, this is crazy.

00:30:32.64
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. But maybe Shaq's the new one. Maybe the beam teams are the the low pop stuff is spiking. Yeah.

00:30:42.36
Russell Gibson
Okay, fine. We might need to get some feedback from Joe Fu on this. But yeah, honestly, my my feeling on this is, look, if you've got these sitting in piles, do something about them.

00:30:51.67
Adz
Look, it's ah that's ah it's a bit of a spikere it's a bit of a crazy spike, right? It's doubled in price. I get it. More than doubled in price. However, i remember the last time we we caught up with with um with Joe, he made he made the comment to say some of the Shaqs are starting to – Shaq's on the rise.

00:31:06.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:10.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Shaq is definitely on the rise. i i definitely agree with that. Yeah.

00:31:13.75
Adz
So maybe this is one of those – because it's an iconic Shaq card, the Beam team.

00:31:17.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:18.42
Adz
but Yeah, yeah. Yeah, i don't know. I just get feeling. I get a feeling that maybe because it's Jordan, Kobe, Shaq. These make sense to me.

00:31:29.94
Adz
And the iconic cards, what I mean by iconic cards is things like beam team, things like, I mean, the scoring Kings was the big one with Jordan. and Remember, like there are cards that just have to pop like that.

00:31:44.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I still think there's always a good time to sell a card. And for me, I'm like, right, this is, if you've got some of these in a pile somewhere, you need to at least be thinking about it.

00:31:56.52
Adz
You'd be very lucky if you had a PSA 10, I'll tell you what, with pop count 61, given how many... Yeah,

00:32:02.65
Russell Gibson
Well, is it luck, Adam? him I mean, really, we just talked about this for half an hour.

00:32:07.64
Adz
yeah true.

00:32:10.20
Russell Gibson
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00:32:28.25
Russell Gibson
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00:32:35.96
Adz
Very round number.

00:32:38.90
Russell Gibson
60,000 straight, you know?

00:32:42.95
Adz
It's not, it's it's pocket change for Wondershine.

00:32:46.14
Russell Gibson
Not enough, yeah.

00:32:47.34
Adz
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Russell Gibson
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00:33:01.78
Russell Gibson
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00:33:21.14
Russell Gibson
Adam, we are back. Let's talk about something that's not controversial. It's going to fill people with joy. We're going to talk about a Michael Jordan 8.5 just sold for

00:33:42.10
Russell Gibson
three hundred and thirty three dollars and sixty cents which means to me this is not a wondersha card because he would have just rounded it up to six hundred and fifty five thousand

00:33:53.04
Adz
I reckon they would have bought it for $700,000.

00:33:57.56
Russell Gibson
oh the yeah

00:33:58.78
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, they just would have bought it for $700,000.

00:34:01.62
Russell Gibson
Pop 11 on this, numbered to 90. I really want to talk to you about this. ah I think this is

00:34:09.58
Adz
That's fine. $8.5 is pretty generous given i given eight for edges. can see the white.

00:34:16.44
Russell Gibson
It looks dog shit, doesn't it? It actually really ah takes away from the aesthetics of the car too.

00:34:18.17
Adz
It's...

00:34:21.82
Adz
ya Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:24.82
Russell Gibson
Look, I think I'm interested in this just for the fact that, you know, we've been talking about these lower player ones who have just been going for crazy numbers. So now this is the big dog. It doesn't get any bigger than this.

00:34:37.81
Adz
That's a pretty, it's the big dog, but the card's dog shit.

00:34:38.84
Russell Gibson
You might argue maybe Kobe is.

00:34:41.39
Adz
No, no, no.

00:34:41.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:42.23
Adz
the the the The edges might be dog shit, but it's also, you ready for it? It's color match.

00:34:49.73
Russell Gibson
It's lovely. It looks good.

00:34:51.62
Adz
It's Chicago red. Like, oh my God.

00:34:54.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it looks good.

00:34:55.00
Adz
It's a color match.

00:34:58.30
Adz
So good.

00:35:01.05
Russell Gibson
So I think... ah So it's where I'm going with this is like, where does this sort of fit into the all-time cards? Like, this is getting into the...

00:35:10.14
Adz
The upper echelon.

00:35:11.64
Russell Gibson
This is getting towards the Mount Rushmore at this price. Like, that's a very...

00:35:15.26
Adz
So would you put this up near the top of the not site not an autograph and not memorabilia

00:35:24.19
Adz
card? You know what i mean? Like you could you could sort of take categories and I think star player with it, like Jordan and Kobe, dual auto, one of one, like that's crazy, right?

00:35:35.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:36.25
Adz
$12 million dollars because it's got their autographs on it.

00:35:37.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I mean,

00:35:38.89
Adz
it's got It's got a logo man on it. Like, oh, that's crazy.

00:35:42.04
Russell Gibson
yeah.

00:35:42.84
Adz
This doesn't have an autograph. This doesn't have a bit of jersey in it. It's just a low pop.

00:35:47.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So are you asking my opinion or you asking me what does the hobby think?

00:35:48.70
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:51.73
Adz
No, no, what i'm I'm asking you if you think this is at the top of the non-auto, non-memorabilia pile.

00:36:01.34
Russell Gibson
I personally think this is crazy town because it doesn't have a patch. It doesn't have an autograph. I don't think the aesthetics of this card is that great because of the edges.

00:36:13.19
Adz
No, good. Okay.

00:36:15.32
Russell Gibson
And I think a little bit like this beam team stuff. I'm like, I think the people who are making these sales, they have to be just so... so happy and what you then could roll that 650k into something else.

00:36:28.87
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? I really feel like that's for me sort of, you know, where this narrative is going.

00:36:29.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:34.33
Russell Gibson
And so i think my head is so much in that space. I find it but like when I say it's on the Mount Rushmore, i i find that almost challenging of my own sort of words to be, you know, sort of putting that out.

00:36:43.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:46.93
Russell Gibson
So

00:36:47.29
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:48.89
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, you know, it's a PMG and and people love these cards. And sometimes you just have to accept that, you know, this is one of the most important cards probably in the hobby.

00:37:02.49
Adz
Apparently Anthony Miel saying we're two OCD because of the wide edging.

00:37:08.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but...

00:37:09.67
Adz
It's art. It's right. it's

00:37:13.43
Russell Gibson
I mean, I probably am OCD about some stuff.

00:37:14.10
Adz
How important in the hobby is this? But how important is this? as ah The PMGs we've said are the...

00:37:18.78
Russell Gibson
No, it's really, really important in terms of the hobby. This is huge. This is like, and this actually might be a bargain at some point.

00:37:22.47
Adz
Right? like i could probably I could probably show you a card that aesthetically a hoops insert that looks better. Do you that it's more aesthetically pops and does some, has some nice artwork, but

00:37:36.25
Russell Gibson
no I like the card. I like the artwork, but maybe the edges would be better on a hoops card.

00:37:41.66
Adz
sure. But this, tell, tell me a non order. And this is the reason I brought in the non auto, non Jersey, right? Like this is just a plain insert that is going to surpass this card.

00:38:00.09
Adz
The man himself, Michael Jordan. Is there a better Jordan that doesn't have

00:38:07.87
Adz
autograph or memorabilia?

00:38:09.85
Russell Gibson
I think if there was, it would have to be a one of one. I think at this point, that would be the only thing that might move past it.

00:38:16.41
Adz
So, and this is like, but this is like of the, is it numbered to 99? 90.

00:38:21.30
Russell Gibson
to 90. Yeah.

00:38:22.87
Adz
Of the 90, there's only 11 that have graded at 8.5. I'd like to see the full pop report. But yeah, do you know what mean? Like, it's super low pop.

00:38:31.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah. hundred of A hundred percent. I get what you're saying.

00:38:33.96
Adz
I don't even think it'd need to be a one of one, but it'd have to be like a number to 20 or something, or 23.

00:38:38.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:39.38
Adz
But it's it's, like even Scoring Kings doesn't even touch the realm of this.

00:38:44.59
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:38:45.72
Adz
Like Scoring Kings to me is one of the iconic Michael Jordan cards, right?

00:38:51.96
Adz
But this isn't, this isn't... um

00:38:56.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, i

00:38:59.42
Russell Gibson
I think they're really good cards, and actually I like them better than Kabooms. I think aesthetically they're more like a more mature card, and and I like that sort of artwork better.

00:39:07.10
Adz
yeah

00:39:08.47
Russell Gibson
i think just where I really struggle is just the price point on these cards. like I just think they're getting almost out of control is the best way to say it

00:39:16.18
Adz
yeah i think Yeah. I think, look, don't get me wrong. the The price is crazy, but I think this card or they the PMGs are in a different stratosphere to most inserts because of the the name itself, precious metal gems.

00:39:33.24
Adz
Like they are, they are, Diamonds in the rough. They're flat out. um Yeah. Yeah. ah just think i just think that there's something else. that They're in a class of their own.

00:39:47.93
Adz
And you're right. It probably is that isn't the um the highest we've seen one of these cards go.

00:39:53.68
Russell Gibson
No, I think, and yeah, I think we touched back with this is in a couple of years and we, and we talk about it because Yeah, I think they're going go for crazy-er prices. All righty, moving on. We're going to talk about some ultra, ultra-modern cards and also some basketball news.

00:40:11.96
Russell Gibson
The Spurs and also the Knicks have progressed to the Cup final. How are you enjoying the Cup so far? like What's your thoughts this year on how the Cup's been going?

00:40:21.27
Adz
i um I haven't watched it as much as I would have liked to

00:40:24.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:24.95
Adz
um i am glad I didn't watch the Lakers get beaten by the Spurs the other day.

00:40:33.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:33.33
Adz
don't know. It feels like there's a bit of competitiveness in there this year.

00:40:38.49
Russell Gibson
i agree.

00:40:38.95
Adz
feels like people actually, like the teams actually care about winning it.

00:40:42.01
Russell Gibson
I agree.

00:40:42.17
Adz
So, yeah, 100%.

00:40:42.57
Russell Gibson
i completely agree. i I think it's actually been a really overall positive for the league.

00:40:46.49
Adz
yeah one hundred percent

00:40:47.32
Russell Gibson
And the definitely players definitely compete a little bit harder. The other really interesting thing, I think it's a bit of ah a wrinkle in this, which is not talked about a lot, is that every point does actually count.

00:40:58.74
Russell Gibson
So, for example, players will play that little bit harder as the game goes on because...

00:41:03.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:04.31
Russell Gibson
If you lose by 10 points instead of 20 points, actually that might help help your aggregate as you move through. And so we had a couple of instances where I think it was Derek Queen who was probably the most obvious one when he stole the ball at the end of regulation and then went down and dunked the ball.

00:41:10.62
Adz
Legit.

00:41:19.37
Russell Gibson
And it's like, you probably shouldn't have done that.

00:41:20.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:21.82
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, it's a cup game.

00:41:23.67
Adz
It counts.

00:41:23.74
Russell Gibson
So, you know, it's it's okay to do it.

00:41:24.43
Adz
It actually counts.

00:41:25.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:25.55
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:41:26.87
Russell Gibson
um So the Spurs, they beat Oklahoma today. i thought that was a really good, fun game, particularly going down the stretch. Fox played good. Wemby worked out how to score over a little guy and it all just kind of made sense.

00:41:40.94
Russell Gibson
So I think now the league has to readjust again. I think if the strategy was to send a little guy to Wemby, maybe he's got that worked out.

00:41:43.96
Adz
Do

00:41:47.83
Adz
we just call them ankle biters instead of ankle breakers? Just ankle biters are the small defenders on Wemby.

00:41:53.42
Russell Gibson
He's just too good now.

00:41:54.71
Adz
he He's definitely a problem for the league, yeah.

00:41:57.82
Russell Gibson
So we've got a card versus card for you at 2023 Prism Wemby Nebula Choice one of one sold for $860,000 versus a LeBron James from 1213 Panini Prism Gold BGS 9.5. That sold for $793,000.

00:42:14.26
Russell Gibson
and ninety-three thousand dollars i kind of feel like we've done a very similar card versus card on this before cause I feel like I'm going to say the same thing I said the last time. I think if you want risk, you go with the Wemby. If you just want to go with the sure thing, you take that LeBron James at 793. Oh,

00:42:34.39
Russell Gibson
God.

00:42:34.64
Adz
It's tough for me. It's actually...

00:42:35.98
Russell Gibson
I'm going chicken out. I'm going chicken out on this one. I'm going to go with the LeBron and and walk away from the Wemby. What are you taking, man?

00:42:45.22
Adz
take the Wemby.

00:42:46.23
Russell Gibson
All right, cool. Listeners at home.

00:42:47.02
Adz
I'm going to go against LeBron because while I do see double upside, that's also a Wemby rookie.

00:42:56.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:42:57.56
Adz
So I'm going to take the logo, my defense.

00:42:57.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:43:00.76
Adz
the rookie shield in my defence

00:43:03.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's not a bad decision. and i I could be talked into it the other way. i just think that if you want a short thing, and know I think that's the way you go

00:43:12.85
Adz
Agree.

00:43:12.92
Russell Gibson
um Listeners at home, if you would like to have your say on this, which one would you take, the Wemby or the LeBron? Please let us know. we could even put up a post for this, actually.

00:43:22.90
Adz
Put up a poll. Put up a poll.

00:43:23.96
Russell Gibson
Um, the other one is the Knicks and this is a really good one too.

00:43:24.78
Adz
Who's going with what?

00:43:27.80
Russell Gibson
i want to talk to you about this. This is the 2024 Donruss Optic Jalen Bronson downtown gold vinyl one of one piece, a 10 on this to add this sold for $28,300.

00:43:38.19
Adz
Ooh.

00:43:41.17
Russell Gibson
This is from sports card invest on Instagram.

00:43:46.31
Adz
It's weird, it's a weird shot.

00:43:46.52
Russell Gibson
Tell me what do you think about this card? What do you think about the price? Where are you at with this?

00:43:50.39
Adz
I'm not a fan of the photo. Sorry.

00:43:52.02
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:43:52.51
Adz
Just not a fan of the photo.

00:43:53.69
Russell Gibson
You don't like the design?

00:43:55.22
Adz
Yeah. I didn't know he's off balance, if he's falling. Like,

00:43:58.49
Russell Gibson
think it's like a driving lefty layoff he's doing.

00:44:00.89
Adz
yeah, yeah, yeah. But who knows? He could have tripped over.

00:44:05.50
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:44:05.88
Adz
ah don't I don't know. No, I just, I i don't know.

00:44:07.67
Russell Gibson
What about the downtown picture in the background? What about that?

00:44:11.32
Adz
Oh, look, there's a nice little apple there. It's a big apple, actually. It's not a little apple.

00:44:15.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:15.60
Adz
Compared to the city skyline, it's a big apple because it's New York.

00:44:17.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The taxi, Statue of Liberty.

00:44:19.03
Adz
mu Yeah, they've they've sort of they've they've hit the ah hit the mark really well.

00:44:25.87
Russell Gibson
I like that.

00:44:26.08
Adz
I think it's good. I like the fact that his knee's over the cab. Like, they've squeezed the artwork in around the picture. Maybe that's the reason they chose it.

00:44:33.88
Russell Gibson
Maybe.

00:44:34.86
Adz
Yeah. Nice. I think ah it's an interesting little car.

00:44:39.29
Russell Gibson
The gold vinyl for me is a bit of a funny one though because there's so much happening in this card. The only gold vinyl is just like a small strip at the bottom. It's not like a regular card where it's obviously gold vinyl.

00:44:49.81
Russell Gibson
Like if you were...

00:44:50.49
Adz
But would that mean flicker? You can't tell on ah on a on a um

00:44:56.30
Russell Gibson
On a flat picture like this one.

00:44:57.08
Adz
on a flat picture, but the trim around his likeness seems to be gold.

00:44:58.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:02.90
Adz
yeah I reckon this would would would really sparkle.

00:45:06.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:07.29
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like I think Brunson would be lit up in hand and I think it would look amazing, but yeah.

00:45:08.02
Russell Gibson
In hand. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

00:45:13.21
Adz
Nice little card.

00:45:20.18
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. I think we can go for a break and then we can finish off our last segment of today some, with some Keontae George, Kobe Kaboom, Yoki could go into tops.

00:45:25.88
Adz
And just go through stuff.

00:45:31.80
Russell Gibson
I think we can absolutely do that.

00:45:31.92
Adz
It stacks. Easy. Easy.

00:45:34.81
Russell Gibson
Thank you to us sports cards, Australia for your ongoing love and support of our podcast. We cannot thank you enough for us. Ross has been working hard as always on his check out my cards Australia. So go to us sports cards, Australia.com.au click on the noodle on the left-hand side. that You'll see the dropdown break singles, hobby boxes, yada, yada, yada. Also check out my cards Australia. Now I had some feedback from a listener who was doing a submission.

00:46:04.63
Russell Gibson
What you need to do is when you fill out your form right on it, you can't comp this, you will get the submission for free, but you have to pay for at least one card to be subbed. So what that means is you pay your nine cents and then you get like the rest of them for free. So i think what the listener was asking me about was, do I have to pay for the whole lot Or do I just pay for one?

00:46:25.92
Russell Gibson
So yeah, just I think there's no actual discount code on this.

00:46:26.33
Adz
Ah, yeah.

00:46:30.09
Russell Gibson
And I think that does create some like legitimate confusion on you know on Ross's end. So um that answers that question very specifically. We are absolutely getting more cards submitted to it though.

00:46:41.27
Russell Gibson
And Ross was sending me through some stats today about total sales that people have done. So let's just really quickly go through some of these.

00:46:50.61
Russell Gibson
$600 from one seller, $390 from another, $340 from another, and $165 from another. So he's getting through volume of cards here.

00:46:59.39
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:00.39
Russell Gibson
He's getting through sales. it's It's really exciting. i think it's great to see the it take off and and getting more people cards submitted. I've also done my own sub, so I'm going be updating this as it progresses along.

00:47:14.89
Russell Gibson
I'll keep you guys updated. how all that's going. Again, thank you to US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing support.

00:47:28.67
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we're coming into the fourth quarter. how are you doing?

00:47:31.85
Adz
I'm good. I'm very good.

00:47:33.01
Russell Gibson
Great. Are you feeling hydrated? I think that's the um the key point at this time.

00:47:39.42
Adz
Hydrated. i am. I'm certainly hydrated, hyped, ready for the last quarter. We are, we're not going to like a triple overtime thriller at the moment. I think this is, the hard work was done in the first half.

00:47:53.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.

00:47:53.27
Adz
Really set the game up, set the game up.

00:47:53.91
Russell Gibson
We're not going to blow any any gaskets here, are we, mate?

00:47:55.43
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:57.74
Adz
Let's see. It might even get a chance to empty the bench. Who knows?

00:48:00.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. um If anyone's listening out there and you might be to hook me up with this, I'd really like to do like a ah drink sponsorship. So as we go into the fourth quarter, we can talk about the drink we're doing. I think that would fit into the show really well.

00:48:16.18
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:48:16.25
Russell Gibson
If anyone can hook me up, that would be fantastic.

00:48:18.09
Adz
True.

00:48:19.41
Russell Gibson
All righty, Keontae George, he was highlighted by Market Rises on Instagram, which is the Market Movers app. His 23 Prism Silver rookie card is up 86.7%. I actually find that um I wonder if those stats are a little bit misleading.

00:48:38.49
Russell Gibson
um We will definitely go through some Keontae George pricing. However, it's pretty fair to say he's up. I'm just surprised he's up 87%.

00:48:45.88
Adz
Kids up. Yep.

00:48:47.96
Russell Gibson
One card that is on card letter is his Prismania. It last sold for $1,275 on the PSA 10.

00:48:52.57
Adz
Okay.

00:48:56.28
Russell Gibson
on the p s a ten Pop on that is five. So i do want to keep talking about the Prismanias as we come into these cards because I think they are ridiculous cards.

00:49:03.96
Adz
Okay.

00:49:07.10
Russell Gibson
And I think that um we need to keep on them just as we would keep an eye on like a Jordan PMG and we'll keep an eye on, you know, some other sort of bits and pieces here and there.

00:49:13.82
Adz
okay

00:49:20.57
Russell Gibson
um All right, so here's Rookie Card in a PSA 10 form, last sold for $135. question to you, my friend, is George PSA 10 silver.

00:49:38.53
Adz
At how much?

00:49:39.77
Russell Gibson
hundred and thirty five usd for a psa tens silver

00:49:45.82
Adz
Look, it's not bad value, but I can't imagine. it's It's not like bargain. like it's not a bargain at that price, I think.

00:49:51.38
Russell Gibson
Definitely not a bargain.

00:49:52.57
Adz
No, I like yeah you're looking, that's similar prices to like Josh Giddey and Chet. i Sorry, going back a few months, but you know what mean?

00:50:00.50
Russell Gibson
No, no, no, it's totally fine.

00:50:01.90
Adz
Like they're a play, I'm sorry, that the growth is great from Keontae, but I don't i don't know if because he's in Utah, no offense to the Jazz fans out there, but if if the play if where he's playing warrants his value.

00:50:06.78
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:50:20.51
Adz
I'm really critical critical of the small markets this week. But yeah, anyway.

00:50:23.97
Russell Gibson
No, that's okay. All right. So he's 22 years of age. So he's not a super young prospect at this point. It's actually his third year in the league.

00:50:34.68
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:37.24
Russell Gibson
Which is, yeah, it's a fun, like Utah is such a funny team.

00:50:38.88
Adz
It's a late year for him. Yeah.

00:50:40.55
Russell Gibson
It's such a funny team, isn't it? um They're sort of like so far out of your eye that, you know, someone could be 22 years old and flourishing. And you just wouldn't be like paying attention that much. You know what I mean Like they're,

00:50:53.50
Adz
Yeah. Oh.

00:50:54.10
Russell Gibson
I find them so weird. 22 points a game, 0.9 steals, 6 point out assists, 4 rebounds a game, 91% from the free throw line. That's pretty good.

00:51:06.23
Russell Gibson
Effective field goal percentage is 5-1-3. That's actually very efficient, to be fair. um I think what my concern is with the Utah Jazz is just what their direction is.

00:51:17.54
Russell Gibson
i feel like they're in full asset collection mode. So even if you buy into Keontae George, he might not fit into their picture soon, or he might even get traded.

00:51:27.73
Russell Gibson
And so it like,

00:51:28.88
Adz
But that could end up as a positive, right?

00:51:31.19
Russell Gibson
Absolutely could be a positive. I just really feel like at this point in time, it's just such a huge gamble.

00:51:35.51
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:35.83
Russell Gibson
So it's like, okay, if you're going to gamble at that price, yeah, 100%. I think Chet is a better gamble. I would much rather put my cash into Chet at this point.

00:51:44.85
Adz
Well, the reason I mentioned Chet, right? so So just to set the stage, Chet's in the spotlight. He might be under SGA, but he's also...

00:51:53.39
Russell Gibson
Chet's a baller too, man. like I think that kid is just insane.

00:51:57.53
Adz
and And it's all well and good in a bubble to go, oh, my God, Keontae George is killing it for the Utah Jazz. Holistically, league highlights-wise, he's not making the mark because he plays for this small franchise that aren't really doing anything in the standings, right?

00:52:15.81
Russell Gibson
They're not a great team. Yeah.

00:52:17.08
Adz
So when Anthony Edwards spiked, it's because the guy was touted as the next Jordan and the Timberwolves were making a run. They were going finally putting themselves into relevance at the the pointy end of the season.

00:52:33.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:52:33.82
Adz
Like the Timberwolves were playing winning basketball and he was trying to becoming like face of the league level stuff.

00:52:41.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:52:43.42
Adz
So...

00:52:45.02
Russell Gibson
ah You were referencing Chet. So he's currently trading at 197. So it's a little bit of a jump up.

00:52:49.21
Adz
like Okay, so a bit higher.

00:52:50.66
Russell Gibson
It's a little bit of a jump up.

00:52:52.05
Adz
i'd pay next I'd pay the extra for chat.

00:52:54.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I have to admit, I think at this point, that will be a much better investment. If you look at Chet the last three months, he's up a lot. He's actually up 75%. So without going too deep into that, we're probably...

00:53:07.96
Russell Gibson
We probably missed on that, but we did talk about him a while back to say he was an absolute buy. Kobe Bryant Kaboom, this is for you at 2016 Excalibur. That is exponentially gone up.

00:53:20.46
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, Population 3, it sold for $108,000. The previous sale was a very long time ago, but it looks to me like the previous sale was like

00:53:33.88
Russell Gibson
oh God, maybe 10K or in that sort of price range. so um And that sold in 2023. So that is a hell of an upkick in three years.

00:53:47.29
Adz
Really, really hurting my chances of ever getting a a yeah Kobe Kaboom, isn't it?

00:53:47.32
Russell Gibson
Sorry.

00:53:52.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's um not great.

00:53:55.32
Adz
Gulp. Gulp. dare i Dare I point out that um

00:54:03.21
Adz
it's about a five weeks until the 20th anniversary of the 81-point game.

00:54:12.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:54:14.23
Adz
Anyway.

00:54:15.09
Russell Gibson
So just like, hear me out on this for two seconds, right?

00:54:18.78
Adz
Yes, sir.

00:54:18.90
Russell Gibson
So let's do a, let's do two comps here. So let's comp the Kobe to the Brunson. Cause you pointed out that that Brunson photo was kind of crap. That Kobe photo is perfect.

00:54:30.45
Russell Gibson
That just fits everything.

00:54:31.47
Adz
I like it. I like it. Yeah.

00:54:33.39
Russell Gibson
It's cool. All right. Now let's the second compass to the Jordan, just look at the aesthetic. So I've got them side by side on my screen at the moment.

00:54:41.59
Adz
That one and the paint.

00:54:42.36
Russell Gibson
both of them Both of them are good action shots.

00:54:43.54
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:45.26
Russell Gibson
I'll put that like even for even.

00:54:47.58
Adz
yeah

00:54:48.38
Russell Gibson
The aesthetics of the card, I would probably go for the PMG. I think the red is a little bit better, but I think that the lettering on the Kaboom, like where it says Lakers and Kobe Bryant, I think that's better than the Michael Jordan and the PMG insignia.

00:55:01.88
Adz
yeah

00:55:07.38
Russell Gibson
um I think obviously, you know what I'm going to say next about the aesthetics of the card. I think the Kaboom is like overall, like significantly better.

00:55:12.28
Adz
yeah

00:55:19.35
Russell Gibson
Population,

00:55:22.55
Russell Gibson
we will will never know the true population on these, but I will be shocked if it's more than 90. And the population on this is three, despite it being a 10. And that the 8.5 is a population 11. So, like, it's a really funny one, isn't it? And with the price, you know, comparison there too, it's it's still six times more expensive than Jordan.

00:55:46.17
Adz
All right. So and this is this is really getting into the weeds.

00:55:49.50
Russell Gibson
It's not a crazy purchase, though that Caboom.

00:55:51.57
Adz
Yeah, no, it's not. It's not at all.

00:55:52.92
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:55:53.25
Adz
No, no, no, not at all. um I think

00:56:00.77
Adz
it's Jordan and Kobe.

00:56:04.38
Adz
I think there's a there's a level of basis of comparison relativity wise. I don't think the Kaboom the Kobe Kaboom will ever eclipse or beat the PMG.

00:56:16.09
Adz
And I think aesthetically, and I'm trying to choose my words very carefully, there's got to be an appreciation of what era each card came out of because they're like 20 years apart.

00:56:31.76
Russell Gibson
The technology changed the way that people looked after chain cards as people's hard literacy has increased so much now.

00:56:33.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:36.92
Adz
Right?

00:56:40.38
Russell Gibson
Like you even see kids walking around with penny sleeves.

00:56:40.43
Adz
It's because... A hundred percent. So like a Topps Chrome refractor, Kobe rookie versus the Michael Jordan rookie, the Fleer A, do you know what i mean?

00:56:43.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:50.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:56:50.55
Adz
like a

00:56:51.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:56:52.05
Adz
Like there's that, there is that ah don't know, vintage nature of the PMG versus versus the Kaboom, which is ah in the boom of technology and modern cards.

00:57:02.81
Adz
That said, I think theyre they all have they both have their unique spot.

00:57:03.10
Russell Gibson
know

00:57:08.82
Adz
the unique unique spot

00:57:15.51
Russell Gibson
I don't feel bad comping those two cards over. Like, i don't I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but also I don't feel bad about comping them.

00:57:21.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:23.14
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? It's like like, I think that even though, yeah, I'd rather buy it for 5K instead of that's, that's That might turn out to be an exceptional purchase, you know moving down the line.

00:57:33.11
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:36.44
Adz
Well, and the and the um and the fact that the low pop, the low pop's what got my eye.

00:57:42.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. This is from Slabstocks, this next one.

00:57:44.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:46.89
Russell Gibson
Huge news. Topps Chrome NBA keeps getting better and better as Nikola Jokic now joins Giannis as a signer in the set, bringing two of the top three NBA players into the set with on-card autos.

00:57:59.99
Russell Gibson
Thoughts on this edition?

00:58:05.69
Adz
I think I feel bad for Luka Doncic.

00:58:11.64
Adz
Yeah, Jokic getting in is – you can't say that the Joker being added to the roster um

00:58:20.79
Adz
is a bad thing. You can never say it. Like, Jokic signing is fantastic.

00:58:24.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. As a card nerd, this is really good.

00:58:27.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:58:27.70
Russell Gibson
His autos are way underrated, undervalued, and it's great.

00:58:28.21
Adz
Hell yeah.

00:58:32.30
Adz
I just – yeah. Yeah.

00:58:33.37
Russell Gibson
You can pick up Denver relatively cheapy cheaply in PYTs. Maybe you'll get a Yokey auto now. This is what you want.

00:58:40.28
Adz
But it it is.

00:58:40.41
Russell Gibson
I like it.

00:58:41.14
Adz
Jokic, yeah. the All right. So blanket statement time. We want more athletes signing. Simple as that. We want the best of the best signing cards so that the hobby, so that those collectors have the opportunity to acquire those cards.

00:58:50.34
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:58:52.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:59.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:58:59.47
Adz
So, yeah.

00:59:00.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think probably my closing thought on this though is it's Nicole Jokic and not Luka Doncic. I think we also need to keep that relative. It's like say Kobe Bryant versus Tim Duncan.

00:59:11.74
Adz
Yeah, that's actually a really good idea.

00:59:13.14
Russell Gibson
You know, who cares?

00:59:13.38
Adz
Like Tim Duncan signing is great, but we need we need Kobe back.

00:59:17.08
Russell Gibson
You know, a very small handful of people care about it deeply.

00:59:19.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:20.20
Russell Gibson
I'm one of them.

00:59:20.50
Adz
No, no.

00:59:21.34
Russell Gibson
I really want a Duncan autograph, but the reality is people would rather a Jar Morant, probably even still to this day, than a Duncan.

00:59:28.02
Adz
No, come on. Jammer Ant washed.

00:59:32.66
Russell Gibson
I don't know, man. People love that kid.

00:59:34.26
Adz
flued Washed, washed.

00:59:35.74
Russell Gibson
He did compare his assistant coach's head to a um basketball the other day. Did you see that clip?

00:59:41.78
Adz
No, but it's probably accurate. Let's be fair.

00:59:43.86
Russell Gibson
It was kind of funny.

00:59:44.31
Adz
Still washed.

00:59:45.05
Russell Gibson
It was disrespectful, but funny.

00:59:46.74
Adz
Still washed.

00:59:47.80
Russell Gibson
All right, I think we're to finish on this this week, and I'm not mad about this. This is from Hoop Central, at the Hoop Central. Crazy. Derek Queen is the first rookie center in NBA history to record a 30-point triple-double per real app.

01:00:04.98
Russell Gibson
Fire, fire, fire emoji.

01:00:05.21
Adz
Really?

01:00:07.62
Russell Gibson
33 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists. four blocks, 11 of 15 field goals in 33 minutes. Yeah. He's ridiculously efficient. Like I think we're so

01:00:22.50
Russell Gibson
we're in a bit of a mind trap at the moment.

01:00:22.94
Adz
merely

01:00:23.94
Russell Gibson
Cause we see people like Nicole Jokic and we, and look, and Luca is not that efficient, but he's, he's very effective. And I think we were a little bit spoiled at the moment.

01:00:32.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to say it.

01:00:35.00
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? Like,

01:00:36.41
Adz
Little bit, we're way spoiled at the moment.

01:00:38.62
Russell Gibson
You get a kid like this comes on and kind of like people don't care, you know, because we've got other megastars to look at. And so obviously it's a small sample size.

01:00:45.05
Adz
Okay. Yeah.

01:00:48.90
Russell Gibson
You know, he plays for a really crappy team. I get all of that. But guys, if you have league pass, Watch some Pelicans games. If you've got, oh everyone's got YouTube.

01:00:59.00
Russell Gibson
If you want to see some Derrick Queen highlights, just go onto YouTube, search for his name.

01:01:01.94
Adz
I like it.

01:01:02.76
Russell Gibson
You won't regret spending 10 or 15 minutes watching this kid.

01:01:02.87
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:06.58
Russell Gibson
Let's finish off today's show with some sales. This is from Card Ladder Pro, the sales history component of that.

01:01:13.85
Adz
yeah

01:01:14.49
Russell Gibson
I love this a lot. Alrighty, let's go past anything that says Bowman Chrome University. 2526,000. twenty five twenty six Topps, Derrick Queen Contemporary Marks.

01:01:26.95
Russell Gibson
That's an autograph. That's sold for $48. That's a very healthy sale.

01:01:32.09
Adz
is

01:01:34.96
Russell Gibson
Blackout Friday Exclusive SP. That's sold for $4.75. It's just like a a base card, basically.

01:01:40.79
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:41.03
Russell Gibson
Derrick Queen No Limit Purple Rainbow to $2.50. Sold for $15. Topps Rookie Round Ball Remnants Jersey Pelicans for $6. I'm okay with that.

01:01:50.97
Adz
I like the, what the no limit, the purple rainbow thing looks really good.

01:01:54.33
Russell Gibson
pretty cool, isn't it?

01:01:55.10
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:01:55.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Tops Blackout Holo Foil. I'm interested in this. Target exclusive. That looks really cool to me. That looks like a a silver or a refractor.

01:02:02.04
Adz
Yeah, the black and white.

01:02:05.21
Russell Gibson
um That's all for just $650. I actually wonder if there's a little bit of value on this kid. Big Ballers Insert Rookie Card. That sold for $450. Let's try and find something a bit bigger.

01:02:15.61
Russell Gibson
I'll try and sort it.

01:02:16.02
Adz
With that lovely RC rookie, crappy rookie shield. I've got to get used to it.

01:02:21.69
Russell Gibson
All right, here we go Here's a couple of big boys for you. Derek Queen first stamp one-of-one rookie SP. Of course, it's SP. It's one-of-one. That sold for $3,250.

01:02:36.82
Adz
yes

01:02:38.01
Russell Gibson
um

01:02:40.82
Russell Gibson
So that's like a one-of-one Donruss, essentially. So that's that's actually a lot of money, really, for a Donruss card, isn't it?

01:02:44.15
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:49.42
Adz
That's a lot for a John Ross card. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:51.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay. But look, that's a little bit barbaware for me, but at the same time, maybe they love this guy and they, yeah.

01:02:53.02
Adz
I know. We've got the, um yeah, the orange orange to 25 rookie card sold for 100 out of tops. That's all right.

01:03:04.79
Russell Gibson
There's a one of one autograph that looks like a sticker to me.

01:03:05.01
Adz
Orange to 25.

01:03:07.87
Russell Gibson
Okay. So tops is just up to Panini tricks at this point in time that's sold for 2,500.

01:03:13.73
Adz
Oh.

01:03:14.67
Russell Gibson
mean, I'd rather an autograph than a than a Don Ross card, to be honest.

01:03:18.81
Adz
Yeah. I am.

01:03:20.34
Russell Gibson
I think that's probably better value.

01:03:24.25
Adz
Okay. What about the tops? The, the retro, the 1980, 81. Look, Pelicans, the on-card auto. It's an interesting one.

01:03:32.50
Russell Gibson
Okay.

01:03:34.52
Adz
220.

01:03:34.78
Russell Gibson
What did that sell for, right?

01:03:35.93
Adz
two hundred and twenty

01:03:37.08
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah, I'm down with that.

01:03:38.97
Adz
Some interesting cards on the, yeah, good little um good little search functionality on the um card ladder. That's

01:03:46.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Thank you to Central Coast Radio.

01:03:47.65
Adz
cool.

01:03:49.06
Russell Gibson
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01:03:54.42
Adz
Damn right.

01:03:57.86
Russell Gibson
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01:04:05.56
Adz
Popping off.

01:04:11.46
Russell Gibson
Thank you to you, Adam.

01:04:13.21
Adz
No, thank you, Russell.

01:04:15.00
Russell Gibson
My pleasure. Probably should thank Anthony Milne tonight, really.

01:04:19.67
Adz
Yes, well, I've actually got, I'll i'll put it on the run sheet, but Anthony has asked an all-star question for next week.

01:04:26.07
Russell Gibson
Great. We will absolutely do that.

01:04:30.68
Adz
Until then, see you, everyone. See you next week.