Nick Capper: Comedy from the Country Hoops to Superfractor Gold

This week on the podcast, we're joined by the legendary Nick Capper, aka @capperflapper!

We dive deep into Capper's incredible journey from country Victoria to making it big in showbiz, including:

• From the Country to the Big Smoke: Trading country life for the hustle of the city to pursue a dream in showbiz.
• The Business of Entertainment: Which is more lucrative - social media, stand-up comedy, or those ubiquitous ads Capper's been popping up in? We get the inside scoop.
• Country Hoops and Beyond: Reliving the glory days (and maybe not-so-glory days) of country basketball and sports life.
• Music and a Peep Inside the Temple: We talk music and get a glimpse into the mysterious "Peep temple."
• Part 3: Next Rookie to $1k: It's back! We continue our search for the next NBA rookie whose card is destined for the $1,000 club.
• Superfractor Summary: Everything you need to know about Superfractors and why they're the Holy Grail of the collecting world.

Plus, we'll probably talk about a whole lot of other random stuff, because that's just how we roll. Don't miss this one, Phone Hackers!

Transcript

Welcome everybody to this week's show.

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This is a postrecording forward to this week's show. This week we have got Nick Kappa who is a Melbournebased comedian

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on board and I need to warn everybody this does have a little bit of adult language in it. So just a heads up to anyone who's listening with their kids.

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It's not full of profanity but there is a couple of words here and there. Just to shout out Nick's Instagram. So if you want to follow Nick on Instagram, it is

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@cappa flapper. T A P P E R F L A P P E R Nick will be performing at the

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Brisbane Comedy Festival the 30th of April, the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of May.

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He'll also be doing the Sydney Comedy Festival and also be doing some shows up in Darwin. Nick is also the host of the Phone Hacks podcast. So, if you enjoy

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Nick's content today, be sure to check that out. And finally, Nick did a full comedy special, Hold Me Closer: Tiny

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Cancer. Check that out for free on YouTube. That's enough of the shout outs. Let's get to this week's show.

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Peace, guys. Welcome everybody to this week's show. This is the Yukon Comp This MBA Trading Card Podcast. This is

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episode 270. I'm your host, Russell Gibson, and this week we've got a very special guest. We've got Nick Kappa. Welcome, Nick.

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Hey, thanks Russell. Thank you so much.

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This is a odd experience. Um, [laughter] obviously obviously I'm I'm always interested in

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things. So interested. And I thought Russell can guide me through trading cards and the way they work. And I thought, hang on, everyone who listens

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to this is already going to know that and it's going to be really boring.

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[laughter]

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So, I'm only going to tell you what I my experience with trading cards. I guess I Yep.

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Well, I didn't know. Did you have a question before? So, [ __ ] Sorry. I I'm I'm an idiot. Oh, and am I am I allowed [laughter] to swear? Oh, man. This This is bit This is terrible from the start, you know.

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This is fantastic. This is probably the best episode I've ever done. I can just mark it as rated mature for this episode and that's totally fine. Why don't we just do a language warning right now

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actually? So for for children at home, there's going to be a couple of rude words in today's episode.

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I'll try to keep it PG. I think I think we I can keep it within the basketball card realm.

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Keep it PG. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. So, what basketball cards? I'm guessing uh Yeah. As I said before, I don't want to bore the audience, but they've you've

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said they've come back up again cuz I am 43 years old.

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Great. I'm 44, so we're the same vintage. Yeah.

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So, my experience with basketball cards were is I was out in a place called Bouai. Uh, and there were 25 kids in my

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primary school. So, I was I was an hour from the nearest town. Yeah.

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Is that actually how you pronounce the suburb or is that your interpretation of how you pronounce it? How else would you pronounce that?

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Bomi.

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[laughter]

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Okay. That's if you have a deeper knowledge if you have a deeper knowledge of the suburb. That's what you would say. Yeah.

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No, we're going to talk more about that later for sure. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I was like going to this primary school and my mate, he had older brothers that would go away at a boarding school in Sydney and they would

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always come back with something crazy and amazing. And one time they brought back a bunch of like it must have been around 1995 and they brought back a

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bunch of basketball cards that were were really cool. I I liked like looking through them but I couldn't really get a

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grasp of it. But I he also brought X-Men 95 Ultra Ultra Fleer collection and they had all the um

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Were they kind of shiny cards or they sort of matte cards? Do you remember?

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Yeah, they were real shiny. I think I've still got them, man. I think we've still got the whole collection in They're probably worth more than the basketball cards. Oh, really?

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Yeah. From that era. So, we call that the junk wax era. And they printed a lot of stuff. And maybe if you remember, they were everywhere. They were in like service stations, news, news agents.

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They were just like in Coohl's, Woollies, like you know, the whole thing. So, that was just a lot of it printed in that sort of ' 90s era.

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It was so cool, man. The illustrations like Boris uh they had that Boris guy.

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Uh, a lot of other Boris Feligio, uh, his name was, and a lot of other like really a lot of them were like quite sexual. Uh, yeah, but [laughter]

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and and the guys were jacked, but yeah, it was it was really cool. And then, um, and then I went to Jack. That does sound actually quite sexual when you say it like that.

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[laughter]

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I often talk about this with my comedy mates on the podcast because now with the internet, you can watch basketball

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like you can watch it in Australia, but When when I was and when you were young, it it basketball was that big. Like

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Michael Jordan was that big that people loved him in Australia and we'd never even seen a game. Like you could even watch the games.

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That's insane.

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You saw him on advertisements like McDonald's advertise. I think that's how you got to know him honestly. Yeah.

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Yeah. I remember my mate at boarding school had a uh a Michael Jordan calendar and cuz I was from the middle of nowhere, they explained that who

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Michael Jordan was and and Shaq Shaq was huge. I had a Shaq Gernzie. I didn't even watch basketball, but I had a Shaq Gernzie, you know. It was cool. Yeah,

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that and the Charlotte Hornets was like the two sort of massive pop icons at that time, wasn't it? Cuz everyone had like a starter Charlotte Hornets jacket,

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dude. Yeah. Yeah. I love those starter uh Yeah. jackets. I might go get one, actually. I'm cashed up. But yeah,

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[laughter] I uh man, this is so cool talking about all this because uh yeah, when I went to boarding school, I would

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Bumi was an hour from Mor. So when I left, when I went home for the holidays, I'd be like, "Hell yeah, I'm going

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home." I'd get on the bus in Tamworth and then the bus would take 5 hours to go to Mory and I'd be like, "Hell yeah,

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I'm home." And then my mom would take me to this place called Video Easy, right?

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Yeah, dude. It was the best. The smell of those cards when you open up the packet

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all the the vibe of the whole place. And and she used to buy me the X-Men cards.

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Uh and then I would look at them, you know, if you got like an insert that was sick. Like one of those plastic inserts.

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And then I um and then we'd drive another hour to Boommy. And then we'd have to drive another what half an hour out to the farm. So Video Easy was just

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it was paradise. It was just a place or you know. Yeah. Yeah. And laying them all out, drawing them was so cool.

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So we actually have a few people that listen to this pod from overseas. So can you just give us a bit of an explanation in terms of like the other capital

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cities in Australia where you live? Cuz as an Australian, I'm actually not really that sure where you grew up. So s

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you got Sydney, I guess, which is on the coast. Then if you went 10 hours 10 hours southwest in the middle of New South Wales, that's where I was. Yeah.

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Yeah. So not in the middle, but on the border on the New South Wales Queensland border. So we're about 10 hours from Brisbane, about 5 to 6 hours from Sorry, 10 hours from Sydney, 5 to 6 hours.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Right. And what what did your parents do to get you out in that area?

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Were you guys farmers? Were you Yeah. My dad managed a cotton farm. Yeah. 40,000 acres. Yeah.

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One of the biggest cotton farms in the southern hemisphere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really cool. Really cool way to grow up.

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But I I was a daydreamer. I just was like I I wasn't good at farming, you know? I tried my best, but Yeah. I wasn't Well, I lie. I did not try my best. I'm so lucky. [laughter] Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, what what makes you a good or a bad farmer? Like, cuz I I also didn't grow up on a farm, so I've got no idea, you know, what it would involve at all.

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Yeah. Like in my opinion, like farmers are just heroes. Like they're good at everything. They uh they can fix things.

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They come up with stuff on the fly because you got you're just out in the elements and you can't just whiz to the shop and get something.

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Uh so my dad was just he's a bit of a genius in terms of he would always keep plastic packaging or things like that

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just in case one day, you know, a spray nozzle or something and you you you couldn't you didn't have a spare 3 hours to go and grab the the spray nozzle

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apart. So you just be like maggyver something in there. Uh that's what makes a good farmer. Also working smart so you don't you do have to work bloody hard.

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There is sometimes where like the the rain and the weather is your mistress.

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So when it when it's hot or when it's raining after it's rain, you got to get in there as quickly as possible because

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you'll lose $40,000 uh or $100,000 if you don't plant at the right time. And yeah, it's a lot like

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comedy. A lot of it um or any job really that where you work for yourself is is just getting better at planning with the

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conditions. You know, my dad's just such a pessimist. One time we had a really good year and I remember saying to him, "Oh, this is awesome." And he's like,

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"What? No." And I'm like, "What do you mean?" He goes, "Well, we've had a good year this year. That means next year is going to be fucked." [laughter]

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So, yeah, man. It's everything. It's accounting, it's mathematics, it's physical labor. A lot of people pass off farmers as dumb or whatever, but they're

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a lot of them are go to uni and come back and things like that. So, yeah.

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Yeah, it's it's a really cool Yeah. And I was just a bad farmer because I just didn't concentrate on things. I can't finish a task. And you need to finish tasks.

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Okay. So, Instagram, Tik Tok is your friend. Is that what you're telling me?

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. I I got to get away from it. Yeah. But I'm a lot better with it now. I don't I like to put put stuff into it more than look at it, you know.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, we were talking about video easy and you're talking about the experience of opening the packets. And the other thing you spoke about too before was like you think people will be bored listening to

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you talk about this. Actually, I think it's actually good to go back and talk about the fundamentals. So, if you do have any questions, like even if you think they're too silly or too basic, I

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would love to try and answer any of your hobby questions that you've got.

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Yeah, man. So, I'm guessing with basketball cards, you've got the internet where there's no tangible objects. Speaking of video easy, you

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know, I think I I feel bad if I have kids that that they won't be able to walk through and and grab the the videos

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and the, you know, and the DVDs and look at them. And I remember just looking at all the the packaging artwork and the textile,

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even movies that I didn't even see called like Maniac Cop or whatever, like B-grade horror, they always had like cool graphics on the front that was like

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hand painted and and now I just scroll through Netflix and I think it makes the decision a lot harder and not taking a not taking a risk on something. And

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maybe that's what I don't know, I could be wrong about this, but I'm guessing you said that there's been a resurg cards. Is that because people want

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textile things again that are valuable that they're holding in their hand? I I think there was a few factors that contributed to the resurgence. There was

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essentially a time where the licenses expired and then really no one bid on them. So a company came in called Panini

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and it took the licenses for basically a bag of chips. Yeah.

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And the thing that the thing that they did differently and the thing that they did very well is they put in collectibles into the cards. So, for example, pieces of like memorabilia from

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the the players jerseys. And initially, initially they did a really good job of it. It was all game worn, but then we went through this period where there was

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a lot of product being made and some of it wasn't gameworn at all. And some of it wasn't even player worn. It was just like a a random piece of material was put into it.

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Yeah.

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Uh that happened and then people started to make a little bit of money off it. So then they became collectibles. And what's happened recently is I'm not sure if you heard this, but that Mr.

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wonderful came and bought he says he's bought about $20 million worth of cards and his perspective is that they're going to be long-term like pieces of art

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like Monet's where if you're buying the top the top top cards so for example a one of one LeBron James that's got a log

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in in it that'll be worth $20 million or $30 million in the future and then the third factor was co so when

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everyone was locked down people were selling basketball cards online. So they were having this experience online in their in their

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living rooms and that sort of digital online trading and that you know online platforms has also exploded at the same

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time and now there's dedicated online selling plat platforms and it's it's really become its own beast in some way.

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So it's actually quite hard just to go and buy a packet or buy a box because the the box is quite expensive. Most people go into box breaks where you just

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buy a single team and then watch your watch the whole box get opened online but you're only getting one team out of that box.

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Oh wow. Okay. So they're extremely limited now. You can't get them in just in any shop or whatever. You got to bid for them online or whatever.

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So if you're thinking about the '9s when they were in like shopping centers and coals, it's not like that at all. You have to go to dedicated hobby shops. But

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wow, I think more product is sold online on breaking platforms than actual in physical stores now. So there's been a a real change in the way that people consume cards now. Yeah.

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Wow. That's so cool. I You and I were talking about this before is I'm obsessed with microcosms cuz I I'm I'm

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in comedy. So you can um say something to someone in comedy and that's my world. So you can say say the wrong

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thing or have a a weird performance where you were too drunk or whatever and that spreads and that's like your whole

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world comes crashing down. You're like, "Oh, oh no." You know, and then um as you get as you get older, you realize no one gives a

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[ __ ] about anything. Like no one even knows who I am or people only know two comedians in Australia probably like Dave Hughes and Carl Baron. That's it.

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You know, but [laughter] we all think that we all think that we're we're the number one thing. So I, you know, I went

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to a rodeo and I saw the same thing. I saw everyone in the rodeo. They're all talking about the rodeos. They're all like the rodeo is their life. Yeah.

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And I love that there's a microcosm of basketball card people, you know, where you probably talk to your mates and you're like, "Oh, don't don't deal with

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that guy. He's a piece of shit." Or, you know, or you Yeah. You have the There's pages dedicated to that. We call them scammers pages. So 100% something.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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You know, and if you get accidentally, you know, labeled as a scammer or or there's someone that's might be really

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cool in the uh basketball trading thing where they're like, "Fuck yeah, you're the king of this." And then that guy

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will just be driving a bus, you know, like [laughter] like in his own domain, he's the king,

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you know, but then yeah, no one gives a [ __ ] about anything like these microcosms. But I love them. I love the microcosms. I love

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You know, you said that you're from uh Greensborough, and you know, I found this um vintage uh gaming part shop

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there, all old Super Nintendo parts, Super Nintendo controllers, and I'm just loving this. I'm I'm I'm basking in, you

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know, the all these memories that come flooding back.

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But this is a world like there was like seven people working in that small shop.

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I'm like, why is there seven people here? [laughter] Seven. So, what were they doing? Like filling online orders or what's

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Must have been, man. I don't know. I don't know. But it was like I just I just love these microcosms. I love like

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you know I I'm I'm a comedian so I've got to like criticize things and judge things but the older I get the more I

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just respect like people you know [ __ ] these dorks what are they doing collecting basketball cards like grow up

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man like get an outdoor hobby you know but then the more I like get see these things and how happy it makes people and

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how happy it makes me I'm like oh this is really cool like this is so cool and I I mean, everyone judges these people, but they're in a pub having a

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beer, you know. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, can we talk about Greensboro just for a second? Cuz that shop that you're talking about was actually in an arcade and I remember that arcade from when I

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was a kid. There was a wedding cake shop there and it sold all those sort of ornamental parts that go onto the, you

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know, the tiered cakes and it had on the wall. I remember that vividly from my childhood. in the in the back corner they used to have a shop where you buy

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food for animals. I think it was called a stock stock shop or something like that and I would go there and buy the pallets for my rabbit. My other memory

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of that arcade was there was a guy there that repaired shoes and he just had this tiny little shop in there and you would take your beat up shoes and he would,

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you know, send them back to you like they brand new. You're talking about people who are wizards of their craft who were farmers before. I'll put this shoe shop guy into that same Yeah.

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that same sort of category. Yeah, for sure man. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to give the overseas listeners, I don't know if you agree with this, but to give

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them some scope, I think cities like Brisbane and uh Sydney are very capitalistic. Uh the moment something

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old, they just knock it down and that there's a good reason for that. It's a city. I don't have a problem with that.

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It's capitalism. That's the way it works. They'll put We have a housing crisis in this country, too, man. So, I think they're trying to build more apartments so

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people can live in sort of more economical housing, too.

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Yeah. But for some reason, man, I don't know why, but Melbourne just seems to hang on to these weird shitty malls, like these weird things where you're

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like, I don't this can't be making money. Like, I went to There's no way they're making money. Yeah. Yeah.

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I went to And Baron's got like that Bronia Mall. If if you ever come from overseas, you got to check out Bronia Mall because it is it's like the 80s

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just in a there's [laughter] a there was like a DVD shop there with like old TVs, comic books, and then there was just a

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shop that just sold Lord of the Rings, all Lord of the Rings toys, and the guy wasn't even in the shop. He's like, "Call me. Call me if you want a Lord of

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the Rings toy, you know." Did he give you a business card?

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He wasn't there. I It was just a sign on the door. It was just full his side hustle, dude. It was awesome. And and there was

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a lady that was um she had a display of dog hair that's made into yarn. So you had the different yarns, like the different things that were knitted out

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of the dog hair, and it had a photo of the dog that came from.

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How many people wear a dog jacket though? That doesn't sound hygienic.

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Yeah. Yeah. Did Oh, that'd be really expensive cuz to get the hair off the dog, that would take a long time to like shave the dog and collect it all up and then loom it, wouldn't it?

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Dude, I was so funny. I uh the lady she saw the video I made about it and she invited me to a show like a live show

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where she she does the yarn the dog hair yarn and um Yeah. Yeah. So yeah and uh I

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looked on her Facebook page and yeah she's just she's full MAGA. Loves Trump. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. I was like oh this is so funny.

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Can we go back to the start because I feel like we've touched on a few things and we haven't probably properly introduced. So can we just introduce yourself? like tell us where you come

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from, what you're doing now, cuz you you're doing like standup comedy, you're doing podcasting. Tell us about that.

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And then also maybe tell us about your journey through cancer cuz that was the three things I feel like we've skipped over. We just went straight into cards.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. I uh I grew up Yeah. in the country and then I went, you know, I traveled around a lot and I

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was just always not knowing what I wanted to do in life. Still kind of don't know really. And then I uh in Sydney I had a friend who was into music

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and I couldn't play any music, but I love music. I'm obsessed with it. I I enjoy I could talk about music all day. That's my other microcosm.

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So I also love music. You were wearing a Peep Tempel t-shirt in your Greensboro video. What's your favorite Peep Tempel song?

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Oh man, there's Mine's Carol by a long long way. Like it's not even close. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Carol's good, but then they do an instrumental on that album. That's probably one of my favorites. I forget what it is. Or is it the album before?

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Yeah, that's one of my favorites. Peep I forget what it's called, but it's Yeah.

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But also, not only do I love Peep Temple is that uh one of my mates plays in it, Stew. He plays on the bass and Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love those guys. Uh, and I went and saw him live recently cuz they kind of got back together and I'm like, "Wow, rock's back." You know, it's

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so good to see like that noisy fuzz rock is, you know, that was started by Radio Birdman and all that kind of uh those

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kind of bands, you know, and the Stooges, I guess, is back. And I I love it, dude. I love it, you know, cuz that's hard. It's hard to make fuzz sound good.

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Sound good. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And give it emotion, you know. Yeah. No.

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And uh he said uh I used to go to all these gigs and all of his mates would go mate come on like you got to start playing music soon. I said oh no I can't

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possibly do music. And they pushed me to do a standup comedy gig. And I kind of wanted to do it but I'd never seen

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anything. I'd seen standup but I hadn't really like I was wasn't excited about it. But then I saw like Dave Chupel and

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I was I was like wow this guy's he's got stuff that's well written but it's him that I love. like like when I saw him in the Nutty Professor and stuff, just the

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way his voice is and the like I I don't enjoy watching him anymore cuz he's so serious, but his his gear is still very

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well written and stuff. But I I love that goofy Chappelle. That was my that was my guy, you know?

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And my old work, we had a copy of the Chappelle show. It was like the three seasons of or the two and a half seasons, whatever you want to call it.

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And we literally like shared it around between all us guys. That thing where he did the Rick James, that is the funniest thing. I'm going to stand by that that

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I've ever seen in my life. And the other skit that he did that was fantastic was the Prince skit when he had them playing pickup basketball and all the fruity basketball moves they were doing.

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It doesn't get any better than that. I I I must fully agree. I think I'm Rick James [ __ ] is like [laughter] I was like crying when he was saying that. Yeah,

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it's the most said thing ever. And the Prince thing where they all change into the basketball gernies and then Prince is just wearing the stuff that they had from the club and high heels.

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Dude, [laughter] it's just like so good.

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So good. Just and then make some pancakes at the end.

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[laughter]

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And I I remember um what Prince released an album years later and he just put he didn't even ask Dave Chappelle to put

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the artwork on the cover. So he didn't even get Dave Chappelle's permission to put him dressed as Prince on the front,

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but he he just did it and no one questioned it. That's how Chappelle say like I can't question him like God. Yeah, he can do what he wants.

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He can do what he wants. He also did that to Dave Gro when he did the um he did the halftime show. He did the NFL halftime the Super Bowl halftime show.

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He played the best of you which is that Foo Fighters song.

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Yeah. And he didn't even ask. He just put it in there. Okay.

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Yeah. That's how cool it is. And no one ever questioned it.

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Yeah. Maybe just get that famous. It just doesn't matter anymore, does it? Yeah. Oh, I I love it, dude. I love it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. No. And then uh and but then I saw the Mighty Bouch and stuff like that. I saw I saw Dave Chappelle and the Mighty Bouch, which are totally two different things, but

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they were they taught me that like Okay, cool. you can you don't like it's good to have good material but just have fun

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and be unique and yeah that was really cool and then I I I thought I'll do one show and all my friends will come along

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if it goes bad I won't do another one and then that one went good second one went good third one I bombed so hard and my friend had to con me to keep going

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and uh yeah kept going there man yeah I think just two things on that I think you do need people in your ear pushing you forward and I I've got people like

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that in my life and I'm I'm so blessed for that because you do have so much self-doubt like putting yourself there.

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And the other question I want to ask you too is like what are your you must have earlier comedic influences like because for me it was um Kevin Bloody Wilson and

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Oh yeah yeah yeah Rodney Rude that was the other one.

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My dad had a Rodney RDE cassette in his work truck and I used to like sneak it out and go and listen to it really

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softly in my room and then put the cassette back before he realized that it was missing because you know he wouldn't want me listening to that. But he used

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to do a joke about Schweps and he used to call it Scoopies. And I was actually wondering if that influenced in some of your jokes you do online, you do the

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suburb reviews and then you you correctly pronounce as you say. Was that an influence that joke on on the way that you look at those suburbs?

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Oh, no, no, no. I just was like I just thought it's funny to pronounce suburbs like that. They're cuz those suburbs in

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small town videos that I do, I love those places. people say, "Oh, Nick, you're taking the piss or whatever." And

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I talk about it in my standup is that I love those towns. I love them. So, I thought, why not pronounce them in a

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European or a uh kind of linguistic overdrawn linguistic fashion? Yeah.

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To put more emphasis and and but plus, you know, I talk about it in my stand. I don't I don't you know I try not to do my bits on a podcast but it's more like people from country towns and suburbs.

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They're not all like this but they're kind of like you can't say anything anymore. Political correctness has gone mad. People are too sensitive. You know

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you can't say anything anymore. And you go here's something weird about your town. They go [ __ ] you mate. [ __ ] kill yourself. [laughter] You're a piece

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of [ __ ] You know like that's there's no there's no left or right wing or

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wokeness. It's what you care about. It's what you you you always give exceptions of what you care about. The same with the left wing. Same with someone who lives in the city.

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They'll be saying free Palestine and you know like you know we need to give Aboriginals.

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We're not all leftwing who live in the city. What are you talking?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] But so so like you know I guess in the in the Fitzroy bubble you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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[laughter]

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But but yeah, so um you know they'll be telling you yeah free Palestine or whatever while they're doing like lines of coke off a sistern and you go oh well

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Colombian slavery doesn't count I guess you know like that that's just an exception that's it's what matters to you you know it's a [laughter]

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you always have exceptions yeah so it's cool it's really cool but I

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I almost like the country way better because they'll say stuff that's a bit crook Brook or whatever, like, yeah, oh, what what are these Muslims coming

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in or whatever, but if if they've got a like a flat tire on the side of the road, the country people are first to pull up and help them out, make sure

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they got a place to stay. Uh whereas probably like someone who might write something on Twitter like, "We got to

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help these Muslims out or whatever." They'll just drive past it, drive past them, you know? So, it's like, who's better, you know? No one's better, you know? We're all [ __ ]

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in a way. Yeah. I I that's the human dichotomy though, isn't it? We're all a little bit good, we're all a little bit bad.

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Yeah, you're talking about sort of like as you as you get older. I definitely agree with that. As you get older, you you do have definitely a different

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viewpoint of the world. Um going back to that Rodney Rude joke, do you remember that joke at all or or is that something that you're not familiar with?

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Can't remember, dude. I I listen to a lot of Rodney Roode when I was a kid and uh yeah, I can't remember that one. What was that one? Literally, he said he was

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a kid from the country and he thought Schweps was scoopies.

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All right. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Um I've My mate found a Rodney RDE shirt for me and I I wore it the other night at the comedy festival.

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Uh and yeah, everyone loved it. Yeah. Sick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Living legend. Yeah.

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So, you talking before about how on earth do these little shops make money? How do you make ends meet as a comedian?

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And without going into obviously like numbers in terms of ticks and tax, how do you make it all work? Yeah.

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Oh man, I'm I'm very lucky. I'm so lucky. I'm always just scraping uh bits and pieces together. Uh thank god I have

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a very supportive wife who's helped me out. But I do have I I haven't had a casual job in about uh what a year and a half.

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Sorry man. Just I'm going to interrupt you there. Yeah. 100%. Let's just give a shout out to the ladies. Honestly, like you need someone behind you moving you forward. Yeah. Sorry.

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Oh yeah, man. Oh yeah, I'd be dead if it wasn't for her. [laughter] Yeah, it's Yeah, it So, yeah, there's that. But also, I'm on a lot of Pilot Viagra ads.

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I'm the guy on that. Uh that helps me so much. And then how did you get that gig?

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Oh, some they just reached out to me on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So, they're like, "You want to do this?" And I'm like, "Oh, yeah, no problem." the money was

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right. So I I I didn't want to take it at first, but I was getting married, so I thought, "Oh, look, this this will pay for the a lot of the wedding." And I

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said to them, "Oh, look, if you look after me, I'll do it for this lower price." And they um usually people don't

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look after you. Usually they just take the money and run and you never hear from them again. But these guys, they kept giving me stuff. So, and they're

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really bunch of nice guys and and the ads are Do you mean Viagra? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Pilot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. They do like hair loss and and they come on by looking after you. Were they giving you Viagra? Is that what you're talking Oh, no. No. No. You have to get it

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prescribed. One of the guys got into a lot of trouble. Like one of the directors or something cuz he was just giving out Viagra. And they were like, "Dude, you can't do this. It needs to be prescribed." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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[laughter]

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I think he was like taking it or something from the uh helping himself. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, no, no, no, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't got to that stage yet, but I probably will need it sooner or later. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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This is actually a question from my buddy who's a massive fan of yours. So, shout out to Anthony. And his question was, "What's more lucrative, social media, standup, or ads?" [laughter]

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Man, it's so hard because I've got all I've got all three things boiling at once. So, I got like um Facebook started paying per view uh last year. So, that's

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when I started really ramping up. I would do three country town or or suburb videos a week and but now I do I try to

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do one every day because it's like lotto. You just never know which one's going to hit and when they do hit you're like, "Oh, cool." It's not much. You're probably

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getting Well, I'm not even what I've got 20,000 followers on Facebook. So, some of those videos go good, but you're looking for around3 to $1,000 a month.

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So, 300 bucks to $1,000, you know, extra a month. So, it's not much, but it's like trying to just pay rent or food or whatever.

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And then usually I'll get a gig worth that can be I'll get a couple in a month or sometimes I'll have heaps that could be two to $1,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, there's always just come off you just come off the comedy festival. Do you want to talk to us about the the comedy festival? Cuz you you were selling out some of your shows on that I saw online.

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Yeah. I had a great year this year. sold out like what 10 from 13 shows. So So yeah, that was Yeah. So it's good.

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It's really good. So that's good. That's that's a that's a good that's a decent amount of money. But time for our next break and we'll be right back. It is time to take a break

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It's good like for comedians, but yeah, I think for the average working man, they're like, I wouldn't even sneeze at this. [laughter]

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So, I am doing what I love and I love it. However, I can never brag about money cuz it's still I think my ways

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would be like lower middle class. I think like enough like enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it comes in waves. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So, so yeah. Yeah. But it's good when the money's good. It's so good.

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It's incredible. Like, but when it's when it's sometimes it's three months with no money, like which is incredibly

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stressful on my wife and me and I don't feel good. But it gets you get a little bit more each year, you know. Yeah.

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Yeah. If you were a salaried employee and then you start working for yourself, that's one thing that no one can explain to you until you start to do it. the

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money isn't there all the time and you have to keep working whether you're getting paid or not and then sometimes the money will be there and sometimes that's won't. I've been

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working for myself now for technically it's it's seven this is my seventh year but really I've only done it full-time for three years. I was so naive going

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into it doing your own taxes, doing your own payroll or your own soup. All these things you take for granted when you are working for the man or working for the for a company it's it really is.

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It's horrible. And I'm I'm working on a big project at the moment like a big like a big project that might go through but it might not go through. But even if

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it does go through, if they give us this contract or whatever, maybe it's just a normal person's wage for two to three

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years. Like, let's say it's two or 30 hund grand or whatever, you know, but and then that's good to get that all at once, but then you've got to make it

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and then you just got to keep fighting to get it again like for another maybe eight or nine years to get that again.

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It's terrible, dude. So, you just like, you know what I mean? like I it it I'm incredibly blessed and it's great but at the same time you're like uh I really

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think maybe I might get a job sooner or later just just to for a peace of mind for a while, you know, just Yeah. Yeah. Take a bit of stress off you. Yeah.

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Um can we talk about Kill Tony for a second because in my opinion that's probably the best thing that's happening in comedy in the present time. But also

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I can't really think of when something else like this has been done that's been so dynamic. And I also think too it captures modern culture in that they're

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one minute sets. Yeah, it's incredibly random and everyone loves like what's in the box, that sort of randomness of that. And so, yeah,

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there's that part of it, but then you've got obviously Tony who's a comedic genius and then they have all the guests coming on and then sometimes they

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actually do uncover, you know, fantastic comics. So, I I I really enjoy comedy, but I enjoy Kill Tony a lot. Like, I I

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genuinely think it's just an absolutely brilliant idea. So, can you talk to us a little bit like that? And maybe are you considering going over to Austin and

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trying to get your name pulled out of the hat?

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Everyone tells me, dude, like I should go do it. A guy really I was really bored with comedy years ago and I hated

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it. I hated all the formulas of it and the way it worked. It disgusted me. I think I'd been just going for too long.

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And then Casey Rocket came along and he changed changed my life. I was like, "Wow, this guy's doing something new and exciting." and I couldn't get enough of

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him and uh I was very lucky enough to open for him and he it was it was really cool hanging with him but at the same

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time I think I I freaked him out too much just at how much I how much I knew about him and uh he's a very like chill

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chill guy and I'm just there fan girl all over him uh and yeah yeah freaked me out a bit but yeah people are very divided on this whole Rogan sphere thing

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you know obviously you've got a lot of comics speaking out now saying it's a boy club. Um there's not diversity.

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These comedians aren't funny. And a lot of that criticism is warranted, but at

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the same time, I love all of the Rogan Sphere stuff because what it's done for comedy. And it's really Can I can I pull

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you up there? Cuz actually I disagree with that. Why isn't it diverse enough?

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I don't get that. I think it's like it's hard because there needed to be a change and these guys brought the change, you

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know, like a lot of it's against woke culture, all this kind of woke stuff. I Oh, sure. The comedic undertone as

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opposed to the people who are actually on the show.

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Yeah. I think like you know these guys are fighting these guys are fighting to say the word [ __ ] and all that kind of stuff which is uh you know like I'm like

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I don't want to hurt anybody and it's not a pedestal that I would jump on at the same time when that all this Rogan

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sphere stuff came about kill Tony everything like that it needed to happen there was a time when yeah it was just

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like well I don't know like comedy is not risky anymore it's because that that's that's But Jim Jeffrey said, you always got to you your

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job, well some comedians jobs, but most I would say is you you cross the line. You cross the line not to hurt people.

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You cross the line into the realm of what other people are thinking about but what they don't say or what people

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shouldn't think about and you're bringing light to those crazy thoughts. Inner thoughts.

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Sometimes those crazy thoughts are political and risky and they have to be talked about. I'm I'm not that kind of

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comic. I do I did I have used shock humor in the past. I I I and I I love it, but I had to get away from it because I felt like I was using it as a

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crut. And sometimes I think yeah, it needed to come along because comedians now do Madison Square Garden. They're

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selling so many tickets. And it's all because of these guys that just like really loved comedy. Really loved comedy, you know, like really I don't

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I don't agree with Joe Rogan politically. I don't really listen to the podcast, but I love what he's done for comedy. If I saw him, I'm not going

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to talk [ __ ] on him. I'm going to be like, "Dude, what you've done for us is so amazing." However, these guys kind of

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policed the woke people, I guess. And then now I guess there are other people like hey it's cool what you've done but

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let's let's bring it down to shade like all this stuff is somehow you know politically you know you you you know

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what you want trans people to to walk around and not not get called names. You want them to have a free life and uh you

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know, you know, you want someone that is they have a family member that is [ __ ] or whatever and they can go

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watch a comedy show and they don't feel that hurt, you know, or whatever. At the same time, they might go there and they're like, "Oh, this guy's talking about this in a an intelligent way.

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Great. This is what I'm this is funny.

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I've He's He's talking about someone that's [ __ ] or whatever and and he's doing it in a clever way and it's crossing the line and that's funny. But

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there wasn't there has been a time in that kind of kill Tony's fear where it's not even clever. It's just like saying

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it and you're like ah that's you're just and people laugh because it's like the shock but they're not it's not on a deeper level, you know?

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Well, I mean my observation of that show is they've completely removed the guardrails. like there is there is no guardrail so you can say whatever you want and then to your point about people laughing.

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Well, that's actually not always true because some of them go up there who have actually like never done comedy before. They're genuinely nervous to the

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point that they can't deliver on what they want to talk about and some and some of them just aren't funny. And so I agree with all your points and you're you're right. The thing is it's like how

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do you walk the line between being funny, being risky and then not offending people and and it's actually possible maybe you can't do that at all.

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No, it's not possible. And there you need these guys. You need them.

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You need you need these guys in comedy. You need kill Tony. You need you need them. Uh because they push the

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agenda. But like but also you need the woke people. You need people who who are sensitive. You need them. Otherwise

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it either gets too sensitive or it gets too offensive. And people people get hurt both ways. You know, comedy becomes

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boring. But also, man, it's saying that though, there are people you got like Jesseleneck or whatever who always push the line, but they push it in a clever way. It's pushed in a clever way.

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However, at the same time, I I can't criticize either because I do both things. Some you you might see me next year and I'm saying a bunch of offensive

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[ __ ] It's just Yeah. Yeah.

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You know, I'm at this point in time in my life where I, you know, get older and I see things from all perspectives. So I don't want to offend anybody, but at the

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same time, you know, last year la last year's show or the year before one, I just made it was full of Port Arthur jokes and Joseph Fritzell jokes and you

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know that's that's bad. It's like

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[laughter]

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if it's clever. Yeah.

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So for our American friends, Port Arthur is a reference to Martin Bryant who is I think he still holds the the infamous title being the most the highest

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headcount in terms of being a serial killer. Joseph Fritzell was a man. He wasn't in Australia, though. And he held his family captive and was practicing

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incest. That was that was his angle, wasn't it? Yeah.

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Yeah. That's terrible. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, you're definitely pushing boundaries on that. I mean, for the record, I would love to see you on Kill Tony. Actually, I think you would do really well because of your very peculiar Australian comedy.

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I think you'd do fantastic. Again, for the record, I just want to put this out here. I actually I did ask you to do a Kill Tony minute, but you said you

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you're unable to do that. So, I'm I'm a little bit sad on that. Looping back to Joe Rogan though, I actually implore you to listen to his recent episode. He had

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a Hall come on and you'll know who this guy is because he was in Coming from America and that was like that's our generation of comedy. He is in his 70s

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now and he is bright as a button. He looks very well and healthy and he's still doing standup comedy.

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That's sick, man. Oh, you know, like don't get me wrong, I still I still listen back to the uh I listen to the one uh the Tarantino one's great. The

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guy who was in one of the Iron Man movies that's now like a scientist.

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Who's that guy? He's like an actor and Robert Downey Jr.

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No, he was in um he was in the first Iron Man, then he got replaced by uh Don Cheetel. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm not too sure.

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No, it's cool. And I love nerding out about comedy. Like my mates and I, we're all like we we we hate talking about comedy. We're we all we all pretend that

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we don't like it, you know, it's kind of a bit of a front like h I got to do this gig or whatever, but then sometimes if

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we're all in the right mood or I'm with a mate that really wants to get into the to the reads, I'll Yeah. So that's when I put on something like Rogan or or

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Normand and Sam Morell, their podcast, Might Be Drunk. I Yeah. Put that on and because they really get into the reads.

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Uh, and I love listening to all the the way a joke works, trying to predict things and everything like that. So, yeah. Yeah, dude. It's great.

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All right. Great. So, this is uh part three of a segment and it's called the next rookie card to pop to 1,000. So, build a list of players that I think

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might go to $1,000 and then obviously the ones at the bottom are going to be less likely. And now we're sort of getting towards the top. So, that's a

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bit of a background on it. So, at number six, we've got Tyrese Hallebertton.

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Tyres Hallebertton is currently trading at $325.

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His silver PSA 10 has a population of $454. So in terms of context, that's relatively low in terms of modern standards. The reason why Hala Burton is

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so low at the moment is because he tore his Achilles basically 12 months ago. I think there's a lot of I think there's a lot of upside in this card because the Pacers are going to get a very high pick

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in this draft and there's potential that they could get this high pick and immediately be again an Eastern Conference Finals contender or maybe

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even NBA Finals contender again. So, I actually I rate this card really highly.

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I think this is a very safe purchase at the moment. In terms of this card getting to $1,000, I I'm going to give this a seven 7.5 out

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of 10. But in terms of just buying this card for a 12-month hold, I'm going to give this an 8.5 or 9 out of 10.

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Okay. So, Tyrese, he's like he's going good, but then people can buy this at a low price and then if Tyrese gets picked

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for the Pacers or whatever or or he he's Achilles he, you know, comes back, then this card will rise up again, will it?

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Okay. Gotcha. So essentially what's happening with the modern card market now is that it's almost like a stock market where things are going well for

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players then the cards will go up and you can see here in June 25 that was when he was in the NBA finals and then after that it definitely did go down. So

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you could have picked one up for 200 bucks in October of 25. And that's to do with him having an injury. And then you can see here if you zoom into the last

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say 3 months. Yeah. It's up 10% because people are starting to get back on board and and buy a few more of his. Cool man.

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Next on our list is Paulo Banchero.

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Paulo Banchero was a former number one overall pick. His silver PSA 10 is currently trading at $252. And if you're looking at the last 12 months worth of data, that's actually down quite a lot.

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he was trading up to $428.

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This is more of a personal choice for me because I just think he's got fantastic talent in terms of being able to be a primary scoring option. He is absolutely

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outstanding. I'm a little bit confused as to why he is down and actually I wonder if some people have just taken money out of him and put it into other

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cards. For example, Kate Cunningham and WBY. They're the two really hot ones at the moment. Maybe I've got these around in the wrong order. Maybe I should have had this guy in the Hallebertton spot.

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But at the same time, I really do like this as a purchase at the moment.

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Actually, if we look in to the last 3 months, he's actually down 21%. The population on this is actually a bit higher in the Hallebertton. I'm actually

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talking myself into this. I've got these round the wrong way, but that's totally fine. I'm going to give this a 6.5 out of 10 to get to $1,000 in terms of it

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being a buy at the moment. Actually, I'm gonna say hold off on this one because I do wonder in the next six months, particularly if the Magic get booted out

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in the first round, I'll give this a four out of 10 for the next 12 months.

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Cool. So, uh, wow, that's Yeah, Paulo Vanero, that's a good name. And that's a be that's a beautiful card, too, man.

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Was there a big, um, I was in Perth a couple of months ago doing shows and was there a big convention there? Cuz, uh, you should get this comedian on. He

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loves LeBron James and stuff, Cole Legacy.

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Okay. and he went to a card show and he bought some cards. He would know about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

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I would love to have a chat to anyone that wants to talk about cards around here for sure.

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And he'll talk forever. He's from somewhere in the UK. Got a real deep Scouseer accent. Always wears basketball Yeah. Always wears basketball uh jerseys on stage. Yeah. Yeah.

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Actually, this sounds awesome.

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[laughter]

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Yeah. Yeah. You get him. I'll I'll put you in touch with him. He'll talk about this for hours.

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Actually, I would love that, man. I only know a lot about old basketball because of co watch the last dance of course

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which is yeah just like a masterpiece even if you don't like basketball it's a masterpiece 100% but then my roommate and I he's another

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comedian Ben Knight we got obsessed with everything ESPN did I had this job during co hosing down stadium seats for

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the council and I would just listen to the ESPN podcast 30 for30 30 30 for 30 is awesome, man. Yeah,

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just like the um what the Sterling Tapes incredible uh podcast, you know, about the the the Clippers guy or whatever.

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Watched all of the 30 for30 basketball ones. The the Detroit uh what was it? The Detroit uh crushes.

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Yeah. But what were they called? The u the bad boys. The Detroit City Bad Boys.

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Was that the one when they went into the stadium and they were fighting with the fans?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just that kind of stuff, you know. He had so many good players. It's got like when it introduces the players, it shows them like banging bricks together and [ __ ]

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It's so sick. Like, you know what I mean? Like like the early Dennis Rodman.

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I didn't know Dennis Rodman had a history before the Bulls, you know, which was awesome.

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And then yeah, the Dennis Rodman 30 for 30 years. Incredible dude. So that really invigorated my basketball knowledge. I was obsessed with it. Yeah,

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Dennis Rodman in the Detroit Pistons is my favorite version of Rodman because he was this like young hyper mobile athlete that was just intent on just making

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people's life on the bus difficult. And then as he got older, he wasn't as mobile. He was a fantastic rebounder.

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But then he had all that dating Madonna and dying his hair and partying and trying to balance his alcoholism with playing in the NBA. It was I don't know,

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just from a pure basketball standpoint, him in Detroit was just amazing to watch, honestly. And actually some of the kids that I coach, I actually show them when we're working on defensive

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stuff, I will show them clips of Dennis Rodman at that age playing defense because he literally was just like a fundamental machine playing playing defense. Yeah.

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Well, it was so cool to me because like I love am not focused with anything. In comedy, I do get focused sometimes or when I'm editing a video, I'll just get

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in the zone and I'm there. But I love it. A guy like Dennis Rodman who couldn't function in any part of his life. He would even when he didn't

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party, he was drinking milk in nightclubs and wearing dresses and just deeply confused about his life. And you think, well, this guy has no no

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motivation at all, nothing. But then they said he was the only guy that would watch the other team on tapes before a

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game, like studying it, you know, which is so crazy, you know, like I I would have never picked that. I thought that guy would just go with the flow. I

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I think athletically though his work ethic was amazing. Like he would he would play an NBA game and then he would go and lift weights afterwards and

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then he would go and do cardio. Just that type of insane work ethic. You know what I mean?

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I wouldn't have picked that at all. Like I wouldn't have picked that. It's so cool. It's just so cool to me. It's just such an inspirational guy. Yeah.

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Yeah. All righty. We have taken a huge segue here, but I think I can get my head back together. Coming in at number four is Jaylen Brown. And he's a

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personal favorite player of mine. This season he averaged 28.7 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.1 assists on a very tidy 47%

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from the field. Previous finals MVP, he is currently trading at $396, which actually I personally think in

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terms of his talent being up here, his pricing is just not matched at all to his talent. I think this is a very undervalued card. Population on this is

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actually increasing, but it's still very low at 312. Over the last three months, he's actually up 26%. I think this is a fantastic buy. I'm going to give this a

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7.5, 8.5 out of 10. My only thing about this card is will it get to $1,000. He doesn't have that hobby popularity. He

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doesn't have that pop in comparison to some of the other players that actually we've even spoke about last week, like LaMelo Ball, for example. Yeah, really tough one. However, I do think this is a

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very good long-term hold. Nick, what's your analysis on on Jaylen Brown?

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Yeah, he uh looks good. Looks like a nice card. pretty steady. Pretty steady.

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Like he's not jumping all over the place like the other guys. No, you know, and not as many sales, too. That's the other thing, man. But actually, jeez, when you look at it like that, in the last 12 months, he's actually up 86%.

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Sick. Yeah, that's a good one. That's probably the best one I've seen.

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You reckon that's your favorite pick so far? Yeah, I think so.

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Let's go with that. Nick's recommendation is to go with Jaylen Brown. Hell yeah.

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All right. This is a story and this is coming out from someone who I've got a lot of time for on Instagram. This is from Adam Gray at the real 27 guy. Now

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what he's done here is he's done a summary of the super refractors that we've had from 2004 to 2009. There is a total of 1,429

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superractors. In 2025 alone there is 1,653.

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Nick, I think you're the perfect one to comment on this one.

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What the hell is a supertor? Excellent question, my friend. Cut. The same card will come out in different variations.

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So, there'll be there'll be a silver one. There'll be a a wave one. There'll be one called a superfrator.

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There'll be one called a Xfractor. And some of them are numbered. So, numbered to 200 to 100 to 50 to 10 to five. The

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ones numbered to one are called a superractor. And they're a one of one.

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So, ah, highly collectible, very hard to find. Yeah, I'm guessing Pokemon kicked this off as

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well, right? Like Pokemon reinvigorated cards a lot, I guess.

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So, Pokemon actually is almost a polar opposite of sports cards because it's not tied to something that's up and down like how, you know, we're looking at the

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graphs before. So, like they get injured, their cards go down, they play well, they go up. There's there's less of that sort of stock market with Pokémon, but the cards definitely do go

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up and down in Pokémon. And the other thing that's actually very different in Pokemon, there's no numbered cards at all in Pokemon. And obviously there's no

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autographs, there's no memorabilia. So yeah, it's a lot more complicated basketball.

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Well, yeah. And look, maybe we need a third person on here to provide this commentary, but I don't know enough about Pokemon to probably answer that question properly. But that's my

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observation of the Pokemon world. Yeah, neither do I. Uh, but man, no. So what?

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There's there was a lot more super fractors, but I mean there was it was like limited, but I guess in 2025

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it's not as limited. They've just put these out in one year, like 1,600, and that devalues a supertorractor, I guess.

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I think you know more about the hobby than you realize. Yeah. So, 100% that means they've increased the print run exponentially and yeah, 100%. I think

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you're right. I think these one of ones will be worth a lot less going to the future. I think the only caveat to that is that cuz it's first year of the Tops

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having their license back. Even though you are 100% correct that there's so many more of these than what there previously was. I like for example that LeBron James one. I think that's already

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recently sold. I think that sold for like $300,000. But um WA Yeah. Yeah.

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Jesus. Yeah. Well, but then again, you got the whole world. 1,600 isn't much.

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[laughter]

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That is not much at all. That is That is not many people. So, so yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah. Yeah. Uh that

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that seems I think it seems okay to do 1,600.

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[laughter] Um only other basketball memory I have is I played basketball for a bit and I had to get a pair of shoes.

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Okay. Yeah. And we went to Mory to the clothes shop.

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It was the only It was one of those uh for those overseas in when you have country towns, they have the country

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workear kind of at the front and then they have the surf shop up the back.

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Even though there's no surfing like we're 700ks from the beach, but every country town has a surf shop. Anyway, I went up the back to get a pair of shoes

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and people were like, "You got to get these new shoes. Feler Grant Hill wears them. Grant Hill is the king. You got to

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get Feler shoes. He's the next Jordan." Yeah.

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And I bought the the coolest pair of filler shoes, dude. They were black and white. They were huge.

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And do they have sort of like a blue or a black triangle that was kind of like over the side of the shoe? Might have. I can't remember.

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Cuz I had the I had the same Fer cuz Fers were also like half the price of Nike. So Fer paid Grant Hill insane amount of money to represent the stuff.

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Also too, I think the league they were trying to build the league around Grant Hill. like he had that huge Sprite ad and then he had a whole bunch of injuries and he sort of disappeared for

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a few years which is actually like a shame when you look back at it.

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Yeah, man. No, I had these um they look like those Reebok ones with the swirl or like the the jagged ones. I'm trying to

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look see if I can find them now. But yeah, man. Anyway, I got these feel shoes, dude. And they were sick. They're incredible. I loved them so much. I

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played terribly. I was not a good basketball player at all. I was awful.

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But so wearing Grant Hill shoes, that didn't like prop your points up.

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Yeah. And I didn't even Everyone else told me that like Grant Hill ruled and but I didn't know anything about Gran Hill. No way. I I didn't know [ __ ] about

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Grant Hill. So yeah. Yeah. I was uh I I just just fully um Yeah. fully under peer pressure to get these filler shoes.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, they were cool, dude. I loved them. They were so comfortable and they looked so cool.

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like they were they were huge black and white shoes kind of busy and uh Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to find them here but I can't find them. Anyway, I think they marketed those shoes a lot and they were pushing those out to every shop that they possibly could.

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Yeah. Yeah, man. So, yeah. And I always wondered what happened to Grant Hill cuz he he he did go great, but he didn't

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explode like I thought he would have been a a guy that everyone remembers. But yeah.

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Oh, it was injuries. It was as simple as that. There was literally there was nothing to it other than that. So, did you have that pair? Is that the ones you had,

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dude? I don't think so. I think it was I had these ones.

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Ah, yeah. They're sick. Yeah. Yeah. I think I had the ones up the top there where your mouse was just was a variation of that, I think. But yeah,

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dude. Yeah, it was it was cool. It was a great time. It was such an exciting time uh in my life to uh Yeah. to get a pair of basketball shoes and Yeah, I was awful. Yeah. Yeah.

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Hey, man. Thank you so much for coming on today. You've been so generous with your time. You've been just absolutely fantastic. Can you please tell us about any projects that you've got coming up?

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Drop your Instagram handle so that people can find you and like, follow, subscribe, the whole thing.

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Uh, yeah, just kappa flapper. C A P E R F L April.

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I'm doing Sydney Comedy Festival in May.

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And I'm also doing Brisbane Comedy Festival in May. So, yeah. And then I'm coming up to Darwin later on. Yeah, hopefully I get on Kill Tony. I'm mates

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with um Ari Shafir. I've opened for him a lot and he's just such a legendary dude. And then uh and then Duncan

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Trussell. I opened for him last year and he's that guy is that guy is absolutely hilarious.

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So good, [snorts] dude. Incredible. Just such a a masterclass every night watching both of those guys. And and and Ari did have a great joke about saying

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[ __ ] It was clever. Uh, which was awesome, too. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

1:00:15

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He thanks me in his latest special, which is sick. Which was I was like, "Oh, wow. That's cool, dude." Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow.

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Yeah, that was a huge huge get. So, yeah. Hopefully one day I'll have enough money to to go and do Kill Tony. So, yeah, I'll I'll try I'll let you know

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when I do, please. Uh, and so where can we buy tickets for your comedy festival shows? Uh, just at nickcapper.com.

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Okay, great.

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Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, come along. Thank you everyone for listening today